Illinois House Floor Debate — May 2, 1984

"The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by the Reverend Ophilis McCoy, Pastor of the Grace United Methodist Church of Springfield. Reverend McCoy is a guest of Representative Michael Curran. Would the guests in the gallery please rise and join us in the invocation?"

"Let us bow our heads in a word of prayer. Eternal God, we come to ask Your blessing upon this House, that Thou would bless each participant who has given his or her life to the political process. Help us to realize how fortunate we are in this country that we have the political freedom, and we ask You, Oh Eternal God, that as each Legislator makes his or her decision, may they realize at some time they become winners when they win with Thee, and they become losers when they are without Thee. We pray, Eternal God, that each, in his or her deliberation, ill trust in the Lord with his or her heart and lean not to his or her own understanding but acknowledge You in all his or her ways, and Thy will direct their path. We thank You for the glorious opportunity that Thou has given each of these persons, to represent their communities, and we pray, as they go through this day, that Thy would empower them to make a decision that they can sleep on, that they can walk on, that they can sit on, that they can stand on, because they have felt, within their own heart, that they have done it for Your glory and not for their own glory. And now we pray that You will continue to bless them as they go through this day and teach us to pray as You taught us to pray the prayer, Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy Name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day Our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass 1  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever. Amen."

"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Boll Call for Attendance. Mr. Greiman, are there any excused absences? Mr. Greiman."

"Mr. Speaker, let the record show that Representative Christensen has been excused this morning."

"Let the record reflect that excused absence. Mr. Fiel, are there any excused absences?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Woodyard and Bepresentative Zwick have excused absences?"

"Let the record reflect that excused absence. Mr. Piel, could you repeat those names?"

"Representative Zwick and Representative Woodyard."

"Zwick and Woodyard. Zwick and Woodyard are excused. Take the he record, There keing 110 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a guorum present. Committee Reports."

"The Committee on Rules has ret pursuant to Rule 29 (c)-3. The following Bills have been exempt... ruled exempt on May 1, 1984: House Fills 2856, 2921, 2926, 2934 and 3056. Representative Jaffe... Corrected Committee Report from Representative Jaffe, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Fill Was referred, action taken April 25, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass as amended Short 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day Debate Senate May 2, 1984 Bill 671. Corrected Ccamittee Report from Representative Jaffe, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Fills were referred, action taken April 26, 1984, reported the sabe back with the following recommendation: 'do pass Short Debate House Bill 551; 'do pass Consent Calendar Ecuse Bill 2584; do pass as amended Consent Calendar Ecuse Bill 2475. Representative Giglio, Chairman of the Committee on Cities and Villages, to which the following Fills were referred, action taken May 1, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1591, 2516, 2568, 3227, 2753, 3148 and 3143; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 2440, 2334 and 2566; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bills 3059 and 2738; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 2794, 2335, 2967 and 2969. Representative Bichmond, Chairman of the Committee on Agriculture, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken May 1, 1984, reported the same back with the fcllowing recommendation: 'do pass' House Eill 1573."

"On page 11 of the Calendar, there appears the Order of Consent Calendar Second Reading, Second Day. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1935, a Bill for an Act relating to the investigation and prevention of fires, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2325, a Bill for an Act creating the Illingis Infrastructure Bank Act, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2475, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to coroners, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2524, a Bill for an Act in relation to sanitary districts and railroad right-of-ways and public easements, together with Committee Amendment #1. 3  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 Second Reading of the Bill. House Eill 2525, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2569, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to fire protection districts. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2575, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Fill 2584, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning jurors. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2590, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation tc fences. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2617, a Eill for an Act to amend the Illinois Corneal Transplant Act. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2619, a Pill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Board of Higher Education, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Beading of the Bill. House Bill 2668, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. And House Pill 2752, a Bill for an Act in relation to the Department of Children and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Third Reading. On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar, there appears House Bill 551, Mr. Yourell. Is Mr. Yourell in the chamber? House Eill 2291, MI. John Dunn, Mr. John Dunn, do you wish to call your House Bill 2291? MI. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2291, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Sanitary District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Pill 2328, Mr. Ropp. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2328, a Eill for an Act to amend 4  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 Sections of the Psychological... Psychologists Registration Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 20... For the purpose of the record, Mr. Clerk... House Bill 2359, Representative Nelson. Is Representative Nelson in the chamber? Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2359, a Bill for an Act concerning urban forestry programs. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2394, Mr. Steczo. Is Mr. Steczo in the chamber? House Bill 2420, Mr. Rea. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2420, a Bill for an Act to amend the River Conservancy District Act and the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2460, Mr. John Dunn. Mr. John Dunn. Do you wish to call 2460? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2460, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2567, Representative Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2567, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to fire protection districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"For what purpose does Mr. Cullerton seek recognition?"

"Yes, I wonder if the Sponsor would mind holding that Bill on Second Reading so that the staff can inform her of some need for some technical Amendments."

"The Sponsor indicates that she will agree to leave the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2578, Mr. John Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2578, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2596, Mr. DeJaegher. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2596, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?" 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2658, Mr. O'Connell. Is Mr. O'Connell in the chamber? Is Mr. O'Connell in the chamber? Mr. Piland, where is Mr. C'Connell? Do you wish to call your Bill? It deals with the community currency exchanges. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2658, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to community currency exchanges and ambulatory currency exchanges and to make an appropriation thereof. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2761, Mr. Ewing. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2797, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2797, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Uniform Limited Partnership Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2807, Mr. Homer. Do you wish to call your Bill? Is Mr. Homer in the chamber? House Bill 2815. For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I had sought recognition to ask Mr. Cullerton if he would hold his Bill on Second for the purpose of what I think would be an agreed Amendment."

"Mr. Cullerton indicates that he would prefer that the Bill remain on Third Reading, but he also 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 indicates that he would be happy to work with you. House Bill 2815, Mr. Friedrich. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2887, Mr. Yourell. Mr. Yourell. House Bill 2887. It's a law to revise the law in relation to recorders. Do you wish to call your Bill on Second Reading? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2887, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to the law in relation to recorders. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Mr. Yourell, on page one of the Calendar, you are the Sponsor of House Bill 551, on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 551."

"House Bill 551, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boat Registration and Safety Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted previously."

"Are there Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order... On the Order of... For what purpose does Mr. Friedrich seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I apologize. I would like to get 2815 called, if you would, please."

"On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar on page three of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 2815. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2815, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Public Community College Act. Second 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Bill 328, Mr. Hallock. Is Mr. Hallock in the chamber? House Bill 598, Representative Braun. Do you wish to call your Bill? It's an Amendment to the Illinois Public Aid Code. It's on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 598, a Bill fcr an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 713, Mr. Pierce. Is Mr. Pierce in the chamber? House Bill 762, Representative Karpiel. Do you wish to call your Bill? 762. It relates to land use. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 762, a Bill for an Act relating to land use. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Are there any Motions to the Committee Amendment?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"And there are no Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984

"Third Reading.  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 2, 1984 Giorgi, do you wish to call your Bill? It deals with the Regulatory Agency Sunset Act. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2337, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Regulatory Agency Sunset Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2350, Representative Currie. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 2366, г. Panayotovich. Is Mr. Panayotovich in the chamber? House Bill 2369, ΜΙ. Brookins. ㅂㄷ. Brookins. Mr. Brookins. House Bill 2369. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2369, a Bill for an Act to create the Probation Challenge Frogram. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Concittee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Has the fiscal note been filed?"

"Piscal note has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2384, Mr. Matijevich. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 2384, a Bill for an Act to amend the Private Detective and Private Security Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"A Motion to table Amendment #1 by Representative 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day Matijevich."

"For what purpose dces May 2, 1984 Mr. Fiel seek recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I tried getting your attention before you moved 2369 to Third Reading. You had asked the Clerk if the fiscal note had been filed, and I would ask the Parliamentarian if that is a proper fiscal note, and if it is a proper fiscal note, under what grounds does he come up with that decision?"

"Mr. Fiel, let me pass cver your pcint and dc some other Bills, and then we'll соmе back when the Parliamentarian is ready. Returning to House Bill 2384, the Clerk had told us that there was a Committee Amendment and that there was a Motion filed by Mr. Matijevich to table the Committee Amendment. Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Committee Amendment #1 has been replaced by Floor Amendment #2, an agreed Amendment. So I would move to table and ask leave of the House to table Amendment #1 - Committee Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to table Committee Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes have it. Amendment #1 is tabled. Are there further Amendments?"

"Ploor Amendment #2, Matijevich, amends House Bill 2384 as amended in Section 5 and so forth."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Floor Amendment #2 is an Amendment worked out between the Department of Registration and the police associations, all of the groups throughout the State of Illinois. When we adopted, last year, a measure with regards to the employment security systems, there's been a mass of confusion over whether policemen can work part time or not, 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 and this Amendment vas worked out to make it very clear that in casual employment and sc forth, that the police can work without jeopardy and without going through the licensing provisions. As I said, it's agreed, and I would now move the adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption cf Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Mr. Brummer."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes."

"An issue, in addition to the cne that you briefly discussed, and that was whether part time policemen could work as detectives without a license, I think, or whether full time policemen could work as part time security people without a license. Is that what this Arendment addresses?"

"The... The Amendment, if they're going to work as detectives, then they've got to be licensed. This does not in any way interfere with that provision at all."

"Well, an issue that arose incidental to this Bill was independent insurance adjusters and their ability to function without a detective license. And there was Some concern, under the original Bill, of whether they could or could not. The original Bill clearly excluded from the provisions employees of insurance companies, but many of the adjusters are independent adjusters who operate an independent adjusting service, and there was concern that they were not excluded. And I understood there was going to be amendatory language proposed with regard to that issue this Session, and I'm wondering if that is included in this Amendment." Matijevich:: "I... I'm not sure if a full interpretation, because this was worked out with the Department. Did the Department address that issue with you, Dick?"

"Would you be willing to hold this for another day on 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day Second Reading?"

May 2, 1984 "No. I promised everybody I'm going to move it... This is the third time it's been called, and I've got to move it. In fact... In fact... "

"Well, okay. What's the answer to the question, then? Have private, independent insurance agents... I mean adjusters excluded under... in this... are they included in the amendatory language?"

"I believe they are."

"And where are they included?"

"Well, by... I believe, by the definition of 'employee' and 'employer'. At least, that's the interpretation that the Department gives, I believe. Now, I'll be glad to... If you could... You know, if it isn't, I'd be glad to work something out in the Senate with you, Bich."

"Well, okay. Let's look at it later."

"Alright."

"Mr. Stuffle."

"Mr. Speaker and Members, would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Representative Matijevich, for the record, so that we have this clear now, that we're dealing with a situation that came about by interpretation... difference of an interpretation as to how, basically, we covered policemen who are working in certain of these capacities when they're not... who are sworn policemen, who may... who are off duty, working as employees."

"Right."

"For the record, your Amendment provides a definition of 'employee' that allows for an exception in the case of police officers who are working as employees, private 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 contractors, and that definition was derived from an agreement worked out by the Department, which basically followed a consent situation between the Attorney General, City of Peoria and the policemen in Peoria. Is that the case?"

"Yes, Representative Stuffle, and I'll go further into that legislative intent on Third Beading. I didn't want to do it on Second Beading, although the Amendment does become the Bill. But I will..."

"But that is... the basis of the Amendment is to differentiate between contractors and employees to cover the exception for policemen, which was intended originally."

"Totally correct."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Mr. Matijevich, to close."

"Appreciate your vote. I move to adopt Amendment #2."

"Mr. Matijevich moves to adopt Amendment #2 to House Fill 2384. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Matijevich."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #3."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Crder of House Bill 2369. Mr. Fiel, concerning the parliamentary inquiry that you raised concerning the sufficiency of the fiscal note, the Chair shall rule that your point is well taken. We 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 have advised the Sponsor to embellish the fiscal note, and the Bill shall be returned to the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2400, Mr. Bowman. Do you vish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2434, Mr. McPike. Ecuse Bill 2441, Mr. Mulcahey. The Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2451, Mr. Friedrich. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Dwight Friedrich. Do you wish to call your Eill?"

"No."

"The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Fill 2464, Mr. Greiman. Mr. Greiman. Mr. Greiman, do you wish to call your Eill? 2464. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2464, a Bill for an Act in relation to the protection of rights of privacy. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2483, Mr. Homer. Is Mr. Homer in the chamber? Mr. Hoxer, do you wish to call your Bill? MI. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2483, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Arendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Homer, on page two of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar, at the very bottom of the page, there appears House Bill 2807, of which you are the Sponsor. Do 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 Homer: you wish to call that Bill? Mr. Bomer." "Mr. Speaker, I have recently filed an Amendment, Amendment #... Floor Amendment #1, and I don't think it's been distributed. I would inquire as to that."

"The Page indicates that the Amendment has not been distributed. Therefore, the Eill shall remain on the Order of Second Beading. On page four of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Bill 2486, Mr. Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2486, a Pill for an Act in relation to the common interest... to common interest communities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2511, ΜΣ. Harris. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2545, Mr. Laurino. Is Mr. Laurino on the floor? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2549, Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Capparelli, do you wish to call your Bill? Mг. Capparelli. Do ycu wish tc call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2549, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Metropolitan Fair and Exhibition Authority Reconstruction Fund to the Metropolitan Fair and Exhibition Authority. Second Reading cf the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. For what purpose does noise 17  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 emanate from the area of Mr. Daniels' chair?"

"I wonder if we could just hold that Bill on Second Reading, and I will get back to you, Sir."

"Sure."

"Thank you."

"This Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Minority Leader, that smiling chap from DuPage County. House Bill 2556, Mr. Cullerton. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2556, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2559, Mr. Winchester. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2559, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Fullen, amends House Bill 2559 as amended."

"Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill contains in it a back door referendum; and, during the last couple of years, this House has consistently put language in every back-door referendum provision of the statutes to provide for the publication of the ordinance, including the number of 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 voters required to sign a petition and the time in which the petition must be filed and the date of the prospective referendum. This Amendment would put that same type of language into this back-dcor referendum as is already in every other back-door referendum referenced in the statutes, and I rove its adoption."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted? Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'nc. The 'ayes' have it. The Agendment is adopted. Ατε there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2560, Mr. Bowman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2560, a Bill for an Act tc amend the Senior Citizens' and Disabled Persons Froperty Tax Belief Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Bowman, amends House Bill 2560 as amended."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Arendment was requested by the Reference Bureau. It deletes language in the existing statute that is already elsewhere in existing statutes, and it is purely technical in nature. I LOVE its adoption."

"Is there any discussion? Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?" 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day

"No further Amendments."

May 2, 1984 "Third Reading. On page three of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Bill 328, Mr. Hallock. Mr. Hallock, do you wish to call that Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. Mr. Pierce, Representative Pierce. Is Mr. Pierce on the floor? Mr. Eullock. On the Order of Constitutional Amendments Third Reading, on page 12 of the Calendar, there appears HJRCA 8, Mr. Eullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand before you today and ask the House to support affirmatively House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #8. As a... As a nation, we are the most powerful and perhaps the most successful nation on the face of the earth. I have before you here today a Constitutional Amendment which, in effect, will treat the District of Columbia as a state, giving our nation's capitol its representation in Congress with at least one elected Member to the House and two Members to the Senate, which it has never had before."

"For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, we are on a measure which probably has the most significance and impact of the Session. I believe that, particularly when we're talking about a United States Constitutional Amendment, there should be order in the chamber, and I would ask the Membership to observe that so that they understand how significant this measure is, and I would ask you to try to get the Members to give the Gentleman their attention."

"The Gentleman's point is well taken. All unauthorized personnel shall leave the floor immediately. All unauthorized personnel will leave the floor 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 immediately. The Members will please be in their chair, and could we please reduce the noise level. Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand before you today to express my support and my commitment for the passage of House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #8, which is commonly referred as the 'D.C. Amendment' to the Constitution of the United to States. This Amendment would, in effect, give our nation's capitol its representation in the Congress of the United States, with at least one Member in the House and two Members in the Senate, which it has not had before. This Constitutional Amendment is a matter of simple justice for the residents of the District of Columbia. The people in D.C. desire to be free. I stand before you today to say that the District of Columbia citizens has all of the duties and obligations of any other U.S. citizen. They can be drafted. They are taxed and they are subject to our laws laws, I might add, that they have no input in and have absolutely no voice in drafting. A self-determination for Washington, D.C. is a major national priority. On August the 22nd, 1978, the U.S. Congress proposed an Amendment to the United States Constitution which, in effect, would allow the District of Columbia tc have full voting rights. I introduced this Constitutional Amendment in the General Assembly, understanding that 37 states of the 50 states must approve it. To date, there have been 14 states that have approved it. I certainly long and desire and hope and pray that the State of Illinois will become the 15th state to adopt the proposition. The efforts in behalf of the proposition are supported by a national coalition of well over 60 national and civic organizations, labor organizations, religious organizations, and I'm proud to say that the Speaker of this House has joined in as a 21  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 Joint Sponsor to the proposition, and so many of our colleagues, I'm certain, will join with us in the next few minutes to gather and garner the support of our colleagues in passing this proposition. Many years ago, civil rights leaders organized and pursued a joint cause that was honorable and just. And today, we find that Senator Ted Kennedy, the Senate Sponsor of the proposition, joins with us this day in expressing his support and urging our support for the 700 plus thousand citizens in the District of Columbia that I am fighting for here today. The D.C. Amendment must pass the Illinois General Assembly. It must become reality. Three quarters of a million people await our action here today. They are absent the franchise. They are disenfranchised. They are neglected. They are denied a voice in this country. We cry very loud, we cry very long about human rights and injustice in Poland, and rightfully we should. We cry about human rights in Afghanistan, and rightfully we should. We cry about human rights in El Salvador, and rightfully sc. What a hypocrisy that would be if we deny human rights to the people of D.C. If this Amendment is not approved, the residents of D.C. cannot be free. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I urge an affirmative vote on House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #8."

"Representative Dwight Friedrich."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Since the number of Members of the House in Washington is fixed, could this result in us... the possibility of Illinois losing another Congressman? We've already lost two, lately."

"Representative Friedrich, that is one of many myths that is attempted to be attached to the proposition. This 22  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 proposition would, in no way, affect the number of Members that we have in this State of Illincis. This proposition essentially does three things. It allows for the elected representation in the Congress from the District of Columbia. It allows for the electorate delegates from the District of Columbia, and it repeals the Article 23 of the Amendment, which only provides the District of Columbia with a non-voting delegate and to vote in democratic primaries. It would not, in any way, subtract from the State of Illincis representation in the Congress of the United States."

"Another question. A substantial number of those who live in D.C. are government employees. Isn't it possible, under the present law, that they can establish any place as their voting residence, and that they would have a vote for Congressman or Governor or anything else?"

"I'm glad you asked that guestion, Representative Friedrich, and I'd like to cite for you the statistics, and the statistics are quite interesting; that when WE talk about the District of Columbia and its federal employees, the fact of the matter is only 4% of federal employees reside in the District of Columbia. And I dare say that all federal civilian employees, if they were D.C. residents, that the other 96% of federal employees are fully represented in Congress already. So only 4% of our federal employees reside in the District of Columbia proper. So..."

"I guess that... that's not... doesn't answer my question. What percent of the fecple in the District of Columbia are federal employees, not what percent of the federal employees live in the District of Columbia? There's a difference in the question."

"Well, Representative Friedrich, I would say to you 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 that in April of 1970, by the Bost reliable figures available, it shows that cnly 4%, cr 109,615 out of 2,000,000 of federal employees reside in the District of Columbia."

"No, you're still not answering шу question. What percent of the people in the District of Columbia are federal employees? You're telling me what percent of the federal employees live in the District of Columbia, and there's a difference in that question, if you can figure it Bullock: out." "Well, I'll try to respond to it again, Representative Friedrich. I understand your question. I's not certain yet of the... of the rationale for me being specific with the statistics. I think there are about 700,000 residents of Washington, D.C. Of those 700,000 residents in Washington, D.C., 4% of them are federal employees. And that number is 110,000."

"That... 110,000 is more than 4% of 700,000. Your arithmetic's a little bad."

"Well, Representative Friedrich, I've given you the exact number of federal employees that live in Washington, D.C., and you..."

"Alright. Alright. Then... Then the answer's 14% and not 4%. Thank you."

"Representative Virginia Frederick."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleren of the House. I rise in support of House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment 8. I have been in support of voting rights and representation for residents in the District of Columbia for at least 10 years. To deny more than half a million people who pay a billion dollars in taxes is wrong, I believe. The only problem with the Amendment is that it is late in arriving. It should have passed years ago. I urge 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 support of House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment 8."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I want to follow up briefly on the response to Representative Friedrich's question, because I believe that it is, in fact, the basis for opposing this Amendment, and it's the reason why this Amendment ought not succeed. Mr. Speaker, the people of the State of Illinois are tax exporters. We are a heavily taxed state by the Federal Government, and we get back very little. We don't get back much money from the defense budget. We don't get back much money for education. We don't get back much money for anything. As a matter of fact, when they talk about agricultural subsidy payments, they even send most of them to the south. What we end up doing is paying a tremendous amount of money to Washington, to the federal budget. That money is taken out of our economy. That money is a substantial disincentive to economic growth in the State of Illinois. And now, what the Gentleman proposes is that we put two new Members in the United States Senate who come from the most heavily subsidized section of this country. Virtually everybody in Washington, D.C., in one form or another, is dependent on federal subsidies. Whether they're federal employees, whether they operate businesses that contract with the Federal Government or whether they're on welfare, virtually everybody in Washington, D.C. is paid for by the taxpayers of this country. And many of those taxpayers reside in this state. So what we're talking about is creating a situation where we cast a vote to increase the representation in Congress of the tax eaters, of those who are subsidized at the expense of the Illinois taxpayer, and I don't believe, in good conscience, 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 we can do that. I believe we ought to reject this Amendment, because it just gives the tax eaters a chance to get their hand deeper into the pocket of Illinois taxpayers. I would urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. One of the tenets upon which his nation was founded was the notion that there should be no taxation without representation. The citizens of the District of Columbia pay taxes just like every other citizens of these United States. The citizens of the District of Columbia contribute to making this country the great nation that it is. The denial of voting rights to those citizens stands as a glaring omission in our structure of laws in this country, and must be rectified. I encourage you, Ladies and Gentlemen, that this Amendment... I suggest to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Amendment represents no more and no less than fundamental fairness to give a population of citizens the same voting rights that we enjoy as citizens of the State of Illinois. It would be absolutely... It seems to me it would be absolutely incomprehensible that we, as Illinoisians who enjoy these voting rights, would stand pat for denial of these same rights to another group of citizens in another part of this country. I encourage your support for House Joint Constitutional Amendment #8."

"Representative Bonan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in support of this... this very important Constitutional Amendment. And now... And let's do something for a change here in the Illinois House of Representatives. Let's talk about the facts. We've heard the typical myth that comes out of the cther side of the aisle. Representative Vinson, as usual, got up and gave us a fairy tale. Let's 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 talk about the facts on paying taxes. There are 712,000 people who live in the District of Columbia, and they pay 1.8 billion dollars in taxes, Representative Vinson. That's more money than is paid by 11 states in this country. I assure that if we look at the facts, what we'll do is join together in a bipartisan effort so that we can do something what's right for the people of this country, do what's right for the people of Washington, D.C. Obviously, there will be an election held, if this Constitutional Amendment is adopted by enough states, and we'll have a situation where elections will be held in Washington, D.C. They'll be bipartisan elections, and, Representative Vinson, you and I can go out there, and We can work on behalf of whatever candidates are running for public office. This is a simple concept of democracy. These people are paying the freight. I hear it time and time again from the Reagan administration, the people who pay the freight should pay for the tune. And that's what we've got going on in Washington, D.C., and that's why we should adopt this Amendment. Let's talk about the facts. Let's talk about reality and let's do something right for the people of this country. Let's do something right for the people of Washington, D.C., and let's rearrange some priorities for where we're going in the future. Representative Vinson, every so often it's often good to talk about the facts, and I just wanted to clarify one of your typical misrepresentations for the people of the General Assembly. I urge everyone to vote for this Amendment. It's not a racial issue. It's a human issue, and let's join together and do one thing for the people today. I urge a 'yes' vote."

"Representative Davis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong opposition to 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 HJRCA 8, and the prior speaker talked about Representative Vinson's comments as if they had no meaning. They have absolute meaning. Despite the fact that the District of Columbia residents pay 1.8 billion dollars in taxes, the return for that small, tiny little island of government enclave is enormous in subsidation at the expense of the rest of the country. Now, I always found it peculiar when this Amendment came out as to why, indeed, to go back and look at why the framers created the District cf Columbia, and then to ask yourself one simple guestion. Why did not this Amendment come out saying that the District of Columbia would be dissolved at this point in time, that the framers made a mistake, that it would be dissolved and that the District of Columbia would be attached then to Virginia or to Maryland or to wherever SC that they could participate in the political process cn some basis that you seek equity for by creating, in de facto, new state out of the District of Columbia? Whatever you think, Ladies and Gentlemen, and those on cur side cf the aisle in particular, whatever you think about the District of Columbia and about representation, there is a choice. You don't have to live in the District of Columbia. You can live elsewhere, if you want to participate in the process. The framers were absolutely right. We should not encourage people to live in that District, in my opinion. It's gone too far. But the Froper thrust would be to dissolve it if you want to SO do and to attach it to another state. And I can tell you simply that this Amendment, if adopted, will water Illinois delegation effectiveness in the Senate of the United States. Che vote in the House, more or less, won't make any difference, but two more votes in the Senate will make a great deal of difference as far as Illinois and the frost belt and the 28  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984 midwest is concerned in trying to return our fair share of federal dollars. This is an awful Amendment, and it should be soundly defeated."

"Mr. Slape."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I join and rise in support of this Constitutional Amendment. Some of the speakers have alluded to the historical reason why we have Washington, D.C. You know, all the founders really wanted to do vas they wanted an area that would be geographically distinct to itself, that would not be a part of a state. That's all they wanted to do, and this Constitutional Amendment recognizes that. As far as people in Washington, D.C. having the right to live wherever they want to, of course they dc, but they chose to live in Washington, D.C. Many of them were born in Washington, D.C., many of their parents were born in Washington, D.C. This is their homше. They have a right to be a part of our government. They have a right to be franchised. They have a right to have representation in Congress, and I think that Illinois should become the 15th state. We should be proud of our vote here today for this Constitutional Amendment."

"Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Larry, this Amendment COVELS cnly the election of a Congressman and two Senators?"

"Representative Ewing, the Constitutional Amendment before us does essentially three things, one of which is the election of Members to the Congress - the House and to the Senate. The Constitutional Amendment, creover, says the number of elected district residents it should have, which is our... and as you know, in cur Electoral College. 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 More specifically, the Constitutional Amendment repeals the 23rd Amendment to the Constitution, which now only allows for them to have a non-voting delegate to participate in the primaries, but they don't have a vote in the Electoral College."

"Does this affect the election of their local government, the organization of the local government in the District?"

"No, it does not. Presumably, if this Constitutional Amendment is passed, the Congress would still have under its authority the right to describe for D.C., even though it's given it a home rule authority, the parameters for their municipal government. This Constitutional Amendment essentially deals with the federal elections in D.C., full voting rights thereof."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think that the answers to my question point out two things - and this is directed, I assure, probably to our side of the aisle. But this certainly is a power grab for two additional Senate seats and for however many House seats they may be entitled to for the Party on the other side of the aisle. Had they been so interested in the people's rights and in self-government and in self-determination, they would have given them the right to organize and elect their officials from the bottom up. All they want is a representation in the U.S. Congress, which will not be to the advantage of this state or any of the other organized states. Our forefathers had wisdom when they created the District of Columbia, and certainly we should reaffirm that wisdom today by voting against this Constitutional Amendment."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, the historical reason for setting up the District wasn't some fanciful 30  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 desire for geographical status. The reason for setting up the District was because at that time we were a federation. We were not yet a nation, and there was a strong, rational fear that if they didn't set aside federal territory which was immune from state attack, that the states would not allow the existence of the Federal Government. For over 100 years since the 14th Amendment, those days are gone. We are Dow a nation. The Distict serves no rational function any more. If it's a problem, if ycu want the vote, dissolve the District. Incorporate it into a state. Treat everybody fairly. Don't make some power grab."

"Is there any further discussion? Mr. Bullock, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I wish to express y appreciation to those individuals who spoke in behalf of the proposition. The District of Columbia, during the Viet Nam War, ranked 4th, on a proportional basis out of 50 states, lives lost in the Viet Nam War. The District of Columbia was part of the original 13 Colonies. The District of Columbia residents are full U.S. citizens, but they can't vote. The District of Columbia's total population is in excess of three quarters of a million people. They have a higher per capita income than any other state in the nation with the exception of Alaska. The District of Columbia deserves to be respected, deserves to be protected. The District of Columbia, contrary to the myths, will probably go the same route of Hawaii and Alaska. When Alaska petitioned for statehood, and Hawaii was perceived as Republican and Alaska as Democratic, we found those to be myths. Today, in Hawaii, it has a Democratic Majority in the Legislature, and in Alaska it has a Republican Kajority. Oregon's admission to the Union was hindered by Republican fears 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 that it would be Democratic. In 1859, it was admitted. In 1860, it voted for Lincoln. These are myths to characterize any state or any territory, to predetermine its voting proclivities. The merits of this Bill should not be based on any partisan fear, any partisan fear, whether it will be Democrat, Republican or Independent. In closing, I would like to cite for you the remarks of the Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee of the United States Senate. 'The District of Columbia is not just a plot of land full of big, white buildings and people who come here temporarily to work for the Federal Government. Rather, it is home to almost three quarters of a million people who should be granted congressional representation just as the citizens in all other states.' End of quote. That is by Senator Bob Dole from the State of Kansas. And I could go on and cite the remarks of Senator Kennedy, Senator Earry Goldwater, Supreme Court Justice William 'Benquist', Vice President George Bush. These are individuals who set aside partisan fear and chose to support full voting rights for the District of Columbia. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I respectfully urge and pray for an affirmative vote for the passage of the proposition."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Joint Constitutional Amendment #282. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Mr. Vinson, to explain his vote."

"No, Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of requesting a verification, should this get enough votes... or appear to."

"Representative Currie, to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I'm delighted to be able to join Supreme Court Justice William 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 'Benguist', Bill 'Brock', the Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Senator Robert Dole, Senate Minority Leader Robert 'Byrd', Senator Strom Thurmund, and Senator Barry Goldwater in supporting this Constitutional Amendment."

"Representative Huff, to explain his vote."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, very briefly explaining my vote and also to answer what I consider some of the bogus rationale coming from the other side of the aisle is that we must keep in mind that in the past census report, Illinois lost two voting Representatives in Congress. And according to the projections for the 1990 census, Illinois may possibly lose two more. I don't think that the conditions that afflict Illinois has anything to do with this D.C. Amendment."

"Have all voted who wish? This question will require 60 affirmative votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 65 'ayes' and 40 'nos', and Mr. Vinson has requested a verification of the Affirmative Roll Call. Mr... For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would be willing to dispense with the reading of the affirmative vote by the Clerk and just go ahead and call off the people that I would question."

"You understand that that's a violation of the rules, and I know that you strictly believe in the rules."

"Well, perhaps..."

"Are you asking us to bend the rules for you?"

"I'm... I'm just suggesting that you might want to consider suspending the rules so that we can dispense with business."

"Well, I think it's a good idea. Are they some 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 familiar names? Proceed, Mr. Vinson."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Mr. Brunsvold. He's in the chamber."

"Representative Capparelli."

"Mr. Capparelli is in his chair."

"Representative DeJaegher."

"Mr. DeJaegber is in his chair."

"Representative Doyle."

"Mr. Doyle is in his chair."

"Representative Giglio."

"Mr. Giglio is in the aisle."

"Representative Hannig."

"Mr. Hannig is in his chair."

"Representative Hicks."

"Mr. Bicks is in the aisle."

"Bepresentative Laurino."

"Mr. Laurino is in his chair."

"Representative Madigan. Representative McCann."

"Mr. McGann. Mr. McGann is in the rear of the chamber."

"Representative Mulcahey."

"Mr. Mulcahey is in the charter."

"Representative Pangle."

"Mr. Fangle is in his chair."

"Representative Bea."

"Mr. Bea. Is Mr. Bea... Mr. kea is in his chair."

"Bepresentative Slape."

"Mr. Slape is in the rear of the chamber."

"Representative Steczo."

"Mr. Steczo is in his chair."

"Representative Terzich."

"Mr. Terzich is it his chair." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Mr. Van Duyne is in his chair."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Mr. Stuffle is in his chair."

"No further questions." May 2, 1984

"For you Democrats who can't quite understand what that was all about, they have just read the list of Democratic targets. So if you feel you should be on that list, why, please raise your hand. And now, the Assistant Clerk has taken over the podium. Any further challenges, Mr. Vinson? Mr. Clerk, do you have a count? On this question, there are 65 'ayes', 40 'ncs', 3 voting 'present'. House Constitutional Amendment #8, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared adopted. While we have everyone's attention, at the time of taking the Attendance Roll Call, the computer erred. So it will be necessary to take the Attendance Roll Call again. So, Mr. Clerk, take the Attendance Roll Call. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. There being 113 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. On the... Mr. Brookins, did you wish to call HJRCA 13? It's on page 12 of the Calendar. Alright. On page 12 of the Calendar, on the Order of Constitutional Amendments Second Reading, there appears HJRCA 13. Mr. Clerk? This matter... Mr. Clerk, this matter has been read a second time. Therefore, the Resolution shall be put on the Order of Third Reading."

"House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #13 has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1, Taylor."

"Alright. On behalf of Mr. Taylor, Mr. Brookins request leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Is there leave? Leave is granted. The Amendment is withdrawn. Are there 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, Resolution." Clerk Leone: #13. May 2, 1984 read the Amendment "House Joint Resolution Constitutional Resolved, by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein, that there shall be submitted to the electors of the state, for adoption or rejection at the general election next occurring at least six months after the adoption of this Resclution, a proposition to amend Section 2 of Article IV of the Constitution to read as follows: Article IV - the Legislature. Section 2. Legislative Composition. (1) Senators shall be elected from each Legislative District immediately following each decennial redistricting, the General Assembly, by law, shall divide the Legislative District as egually as possible into three groups. The Senators from one group shall be elected to terms of four years, four years and two years; the Senators from the second group for terms of four years, two years, and four years; and the Senators from the third group for terms of two years, four years, and four years. The Legislative Districts in each group shall be distributed substantially egually CVEL the state. Each Legislative District shall be divided into two Representative districts. In 1984, cne Representative shall be elected from each Representative District for a term of two years. Fricr tc 1986 general election immediately following each decennial redistricting, the General Assembly, by law, shall divide the Representative Districts as equally as possible into three groups. Beginning in 1986, general election Representatives from one group shall be elected for terms of four years, four 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 years, and two years; Representatives from the second group for terms of four years, two years, and four years; and Representatives from the third group for terms of two years, four years, and four years. Representative Districts in each group shall be distributed substantially equally over the state. To be eligible to serve as a Member of the General Assembly, a person must be a United States citizen, at least 21 years old and, for two years preceding his election or appointment, a resident of the district which he is to represent. In the general election following a redistricting, a candidate for the General Assembly may be elected from any district which contains part of the district in which he resides at the time of the redistricting, and reelected if a resident of the new district he represents for 18 months prior to reelection. Within 30 days after a vacancy occurs, it shall be filled by appointment as provided by law. If a vacancy is in a senatorial or representative office with more than 28 months remaining in the term, the appointment... the appointed Senator or Representative shall serve until the next general election, at which time a Senator or Representative shall be elected to serve for the remainder of the term. If the vacancy is in the other representative/senatorial office, the appointment shall be for the remainder of the term. An appointee to fill a vacancy shall be a Member of the same political party as the person he succeeds. No Member of the General Assembly shall receive compensation as a public officer or employee from any other governmental entity for time during which he is in attendance as a Member of the General Assembly. No Member of the General Assembly, during the term for which he was elected or appointed shall be appointed to a public office which shall have been created or compensated for or 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 which shall have been increased by the General Assembly during that term. This Amendment takes effect upon its adoption by the electors of this state. Third Reading of this Constitutional Amendment."

"Mr. Clerk, has the Resolution been read a third time? Alright. On the Resolution, the Chair recognizes Mr. Brookins."

"Mr. Speaker, this Resolution merely changes our time that we serve to four year terms and a two year term. It does not change your district borders or anything else. I ask for a favorable vote on this."

"Mr. Fiel."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question, please?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative Brookins, just to clarify a point that I was just talking to you, to get it into the record. This Constitutional Amendment will do nothing but make our terms identical to our senatorial... our Senators' terms. Is that correct?"

"That is absolutely correct."

"Fine. Thank you very much."

"Representative Cowlishaw."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for question?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative, I understand that this measure would mean that all of the Members, incumbent Members of this House, would be able to enjoy longer terms of office. Is that correct?"

"If elected."

"Very good. It has been my experience that measures of this kind may be very beneficial to Members of the House but, in my opinion, Sir, it is not beneficial for the people. I have found that many citizens of Illinois know 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 their State Representatives far better than they know their State Senators, only because we have to run every two years, and with that in mind, we have to be responsive to our constituents. We have to be better public servants, because we have to run every two years. I am opposed to this Amendment, because I think it does a disservice to the citizens of Illinois, who will see a whole lot less of us if we only had to run every four years."

"Is there any further discussion? Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess in response to the last speaker, it seems to me that what she said may very well be true, but at least we'd be allowing the voters to decide this issue. If they, in fact, agree with that particular position, they would then vote it down, and at least we're letting the voters know. So many people are so tired of looking at our faces every couple of years that many of them are saying to me, 'What the heck? Didn't we just vote for you the other day?' And in reality, in the nine months after we are sworn in, we're out there with petitions, we're trying to get our names on ballcts. It seems as if we are always constantly running. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with putting ourselves, our records, our positions before the voters and letting them judge us, and I commend us for doing that, but this question is not taking sides. It's just saying, 'Voters, how would you prefer us to run?' Let us know, and I think the voters can decide that with the intelligence that they've always demonstrated. So, I tend to favor this Amendment."

"Is there any further discussion? Mr. Brookins, to close."

"I think Mr. Klemm said it eloquently and best. I know 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 in myself I'm running from the moment I have finished an election to the next moment, and that do make a decision in your activity here. I don't know how the Lady handles her district, but I'm steady visible, and I'm in the district every day anyway. With that, I'll ask for a favorable vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Joint Constitutional Amendment 13 be adopted?' This matter shall require 71 affirmative votes. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Friedrich to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I have been confronted with an election every two years just like the rest of you, but the people who founded this country put the National Congress in the same vein and the people who started this state did the same thing. They felt that the lower House should be responsive to the people and of course, the way to keep them responsive is to keep them constantly up for election. Now, I know it's hard work. I know sometimes you're frustrated by it, but I still think the people... this is the people's House, and they ought to have a chance to change it every two years. I think that this Amendment should not be adopted, even though I see that I am on the... not on the prevailing side. I think you're making a mistake."

"Mr. Preston, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Like the previous speaker, I, too, have election contests every two years, and I am very, very aware of the expenditure of time, effort, energy and money that goes into those election contests. I think that it is a complete ripoff of the people. Times have changed since 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 our founding fathers had put into the Constitution the terms of office, in the costs, in all ways, in the time it takes, in the unnecessary expenditure of energy campaigning and the exorbitant costs of campaigning, to go through that on a two year basis, rips off the people who send us here. And I think it's the people who can benefit by a longer term for the Representatives in this House, and that's why I'm voting 'aye', and I'd like to see 31 more people vote 'aye'."

"Mr. Harris, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Why are we scared of facing the voters every two years? If a Congressman who has a district four or five or six times larger than ours can present his record to the people every two years with a campaign expenditure which is probably four, five, six, ten times greater than a State Representative's, why are we fearful of going to the voters? This House does not change complexion or makeup rapidly over a two year period of time. Incumbents have the advantage anyway. Why vote ourselves a further advantage? The people look at us somewhat with soured eyes right now because we vote so many protections. This is simply another protection for incumbents, and I would certainly urge a 'no' vote."

"Mr. Bopp, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The fact is I enjoy campaigning every two years. It's a pleasure and a rare opportunity. What I think this actually does, it allows people throughout the state to make that decision. It is a very costly venture to campaign. However, I can almost assure you that this will never get out of the Senate, and of all of the Constitutional Amendments we have dealt with, this probably has the least importance, but it will probably pass." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day

"Mr. Brookins, to explain his vote." May 2, 1984

"Mr. Speaker, would you please make it understood to my colleagues..."

"Mr. Brookins, this Resolution requires 71 votes to be adopted. Did you want to take the Roll Call?"

"No, take the Roll Call."

"Okay, so the Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 79 'ayes', 32 'nos', 2 voting 'present', and House Joint Constitutional Amendment 13, having received a Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared adopted. The Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson for the purpose of an announcement."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It is my honor and pleasure to introduce to the chamber Representative Mike Hutchings, who is a legislator in the State of New Hampshire, represents Grafton County in the western part of the state, and is here to visit with us. For those of you who might have an interest in this particular subject, the salary for Legislators in the State of New Hampshire is $200 for the biennium. Mr. Hutchings."

"Thank you very much and it's a pleasure today to be in the Illinois State Legislature. And I'm sure that you will deal appropriately with the salary issues before you today. Thank you. Have a nice day."

"The Chair shall now return to page two of the Calendar. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate there appears House Bill 2394. Mr. Steczo, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2394, a Bill for an Act to amend the Park District Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Steczo, amends House Bill 2394 as amended."

"Mr. Steczc."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #2 was discussed partially yesterday until we found cut that it had not been distributed.. It is... It has been now, and this basically deals with a problem that occurred upon first glance when we reviewed the Bill. What this Amendment #2 provides is that in park districts under 500, when there... when two or more park districts are set up, when separate park districts are set up for those municipalities, that each park district will have an election to determine the membership of the park district. And it also provides a process by which joint properties can be... can be distinguished for each. And I would move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Grder... Is there permission to leave this matter on the Order of Short Debate? Leave is granted. The Bill shall remain on the Order of Short Debate. On page three of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Bill 1186. Mr. Steczo, do you wish tc call ycur Bill? 1186 deals with the School Code. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1186, a Bill for an Act to amend the 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1188, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1188, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1190. Bead the Bill."

"House Bill 1190, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there any Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Is Mr. Huff in the chamber? Is Mr. Huff in the chamber? Mr. Fanayotovich. Mr. McFike, on page four of the Calendar, do you wish to call House Bill 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day 2434? Gentleman May 2, 1984 indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. On page five of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 2565, Representative Wojcik. Do you wish to call your Bill? Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 2574, Mr. Brummer. Is Mr. Brummer in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2574, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Construction Bond Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Brummer, amends House Bill 2574..."

"Mr. Brummer."

"Yes, this Bill as introduced authcrized the expansion of the school construction bonds from $420,000,000 to $430,000,000, a ten million dcllar increase. This Arendment decreases that amount... decreases the increase from ten million to six million. Secondly, there is clarifying language with regard to the purposes for which those bond proceeds may be used to... so that they may be used to reconstruct school buildings that have been condemned by the State of Illinois either on that site or on a different location. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2592, Mr. Matijevich. Do you wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2610, Representative Barnes. Is Representative Barnes in the chamber? Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day read the Bill."

"House May 2, 1984 Bill 2610, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Nuclear Safety. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2 and 3 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Flcor Amendments,"

"Third Reading. House Bill 2615, Мг. Brummer. Mr. Brummer. Do you wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates be does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2624, Representative Parnes. Do you Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Leone: wish to call ycur "House Bill 2624, a Bill for an Act making certain reappropriations to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendments #1, 2 and 3 Vere adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Hoυ House Bill 2625, Bepresentative Barnes. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Second Clerk Leone: "House Bill 2625, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Transportation. Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Committee Arendments?" "Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Hotions filed." 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2631. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2631, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers' Training Board. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"None."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2638. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2638, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Capital Development Board and Southern Illinois University. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #7, lost in Committee. Floor Amendment #8, Mautino, amends House Bill 2638 as amended."

"Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #8 to... excuse me, House Bill 2638 appropriates 2.5 million dollars for the planning, rehabilitation, reconstruction for the domiciliary care veterans' care facility at the old St. Mary's Hospital in LaSalle. The preparation by the Capital Development Board on the program was under the direction of Sam Skinner. It was prepared in May of 1981. The appropriation was passed 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 last year, but not effected because of the certificate of need not being provided by the Department of Veterans' Administration. In that regard, we are asking to once again reappropriate the 2.5 million dollars for this facility which is the number one priority of the veterans' associations around the state. It is their top priority from their convention provisions. And on behalf of Representative Breslin, former Representative Hoxsey and former Representative... the late Don Anderson, I ask for your support for this Amendment."

"For what purpose does Mr. Piel seek recognition?"

"Will the Gentleman yield to a question, please?"

"Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative Mautino, just one quick question. I notice that you are putting it in as an Amendment. Why didn't the Capital Development Board put it into their initial appropriation?"

"Mainly because I didn't have it ready in the Amendment stage when the appropriation for the Capital Development Board came before cur Appropriations I Committee."

"What is their position as far as the Amendment goes?"

"I'm assuming they were neutral because it was authorized a year ago but not implemented."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2642. Representative Barnes indicates she does not wish to call this Bill. House Bill 2645, Representative Barnes. 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 Indicates that she does not wish to call this Eill. House Representative Barnes indicates that she would like to call this Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2649, a Bill for an Act making appropriations το the Capital Development Board. Second Reading cf the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Hotions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2662, Er. Feterson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2662, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Fill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, William Peterson, amends House Bill 2662."

"Mr. Feterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 1 to House Bill 2662 is basically a technical Amendment to clarify the original Bill, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye", those opposed say 'no". The 'ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2670, Representative Currie. Representative Currie, do you wish to call your Bill? Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 2707, Mr. Bowman. Is Mr. Ecuman in the chamber? Mr. Bowman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEBELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 House Bill1 2713, Representative Giorgi. Do you wish to call your Bill? It amends the Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act. Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2719, Mr. Fangle. Mr. Pangle. Mr. Pangle indicates that he does not sish to call his Bill. House Bill 2721, Representative Yourell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2721, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Library Systems Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2732, Mr. Greiman. Mr. Greiman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2740, Mr. Giorgi. Do you wish to call your Eill? County Home Act. County Eame Act. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call this Bill. House Bill 2751, Mr. Matijevich. Vehicle Code. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Bill 2751, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading cf the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Beading. House Bill 2765, Representative Barnes. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Bill 2765, a Bill for an Act making reappropriations to the Capital Development Bcard and Southern Illinois University. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendments #231 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. May 2, 1984 House Eill 2766, Mr. John Dunn. Do you wish to call that Bill? It's an Amendment to the Revenue Act. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 2766, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2787, Mr. BcPike. Do you wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2799, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2799, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Floor Amendment... are there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Motions filed and no Floor Arendments."

"Third Reading. MI. Clerk, read the Bill."

House Pill 2800, Mr. Cullerton. "House Bill 2800, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Pill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends House Bill 2800."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a technical Amendment suggested by the Motor Vehicles Laws Commission changing numbers from being 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 spelled out to being numerals. It also changes the Bill so that the cutoff date to the vehicles would be with a model year 19... less than 1965 rather than vehicles manufactured in 1965, and it also removes the immediate effective date of the Bill. I would ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2805, Mr. Homer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2805, a Bill for an Act to amend the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2812, Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Hoffman. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2832, Mr. Eastert. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2832, a Bill for an Act tc amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Fill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"None."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Beading. House Bill 2833, Mr. Slape. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2833, a Bill for an Act to amend the Wildlife Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2853, Mr. Yourell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2853, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flocr Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Fill 3033, Er. Yourell. The Chair recognizes Mr. Yourell."

"I turned in an Amendment, filed an Amendment to this Bill. I don't think it's been printed yet, Mr. Speaker."

"MI. Page indicates that the Amendment has not yet been distributed. Therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. On page 13 of the Calendar on the Order of Motions, there appears a Motion relative to House Bills 1004, 1011, 1278, 1716. And on that guestion the Chair recognizes Representative Representative Younge in the chamber? Representative Younge." Younge. Is

The Chair recognizes Younge: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move for the adoption of that Motion."

"The Lady moves to suspend the posting requirements so that these Bills may be heard in the House Urban Redevelopment Committee. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Fiel."

"Question of the Sponsor of the Motion. Will she yield to a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"Eeing Ninority Spokesman of that Committee, I thought that you... before you filed that Motion in reference to this, you would talk to me about it, but seeing as you haven't, 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day I'll ask the question on the floor. is the Committee to take place?" May 2, 1984

When is this... when Younge: "As announced yesterday, the Committee will take place at 11:00 tomorrow, Thursday, May 3rd."

"Has that been cleared with everybody in the House?"

"Yes, the staff person said he cleared it."

"Because I do know that Mr. Vinson yesterday, you know, said that he was opposed to it and all you need is one individual opposed to it. Now, I'd want to know... you know, first of all, I can't figure it out, because they're already posted in the Committee. These Bills, if they are already posted in the Committee, all you need is a Committee hearing, and I'm trying to figure out why, you know, you have put forth this Motion."

"Well, my impression was that they were not posted, and that is the reason for the Motion, Representative Piel."

"Well, we haven't... you know, the Committee has not been posted, Representative Younge; and, if the Committee has not been posted you can't post Bills in the Committee. And I would ask, you know, in reference to this Motion, I mean it's got to be followed by another Motion asking for the, you know, for the assignment of a Committee to waive the posting rules as far as that Committee. And because it was not cleared with me, I would, you know, expect the same courtesy from you as you would expect from me. and so I would oppose the posting, you know, the Motion she is going to have following this to post and so there is no need for this Motion."

"Mr. Piel, I'm told by the Clerk's Office that although the Chairperson announced the scheduling of the meeting that the Bills which are the subject of this Motion have not been properly posted. Therefore, the Chairperson is attempting to suspend the posting requirements for these 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 Bills. I don't think there is any need to confuse the issue. The Motion is straightforward. If you wish to support it, support it. If you wish to oppose it, oppose the Motion. Mr. Vinson. Did you wish to articulate your position on this question?"

"I'd like to have a list of the Bills read."

"They have been read once before; but, since you weren't paying attention, we'll read them again."

"Thank you."

"House Bill 1004, 1011, 1278 and 1716. They appear on page 13 of the Calendar, because yesterday you objected to a verbal Motion to this effect. And since you objected to the verbal Motion, it has now been reduced to writing. And the Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson."

"Well, now that the Calendar requirement has been properly met with, I have no objection."

"To the earlier Motion? You have all heard the Motion three times. Is there leave? Leave is granted. The Chair is prepared to adjourn. Are there any announcements? For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, having conferred with the Speaker and with the Chairman of the Labor and Commerce Committee, I would ask leave of the House to suspend the appropriate rule requiring posting for House Bill 2401 so that it may be heard in Labor and Commerce today."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Jaffe."

"Mr. Speaker, I have several things. First of all, I'd like to suspend the posting rules for the following Bills which have been discussed with the Minority Spokesman on the Judiciary Committee, House Bill 2480, House Bill 3000 and House Bill 3202; those Bills to be heard tomorrow morning in Judiciary. I'd like to have leave to suspend 55  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day the posting rules for those." May 2, 1984

"Is there leave? Leave is granted."

"Okay, secondly, also cleared with the other side, as we posted House Bill 2873 in Committee for tomorrow, that Bill is a... one of the Bills in a series of Bills and we would like to hear it in Committee today. We have checked with the other side, and they are agreeable to it."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave of the House to suspend the posting rule for House Bill 1302 so it can be heard in Labor and Commerce this afternoon. I have cleared this with the Chairman and the Minority Spokeman, Representative Tuerk."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. DiPrima."

"Yes, Sir. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, now, Jeff Mays passed out the directions for that banquet tonight being held by the combined veteran organizations on the Republican side and I gave each Member of our side here directions how to get out to the Disabled American Veterans Club House. This... Cocktails are at 6:30, and the dinner will be served at 7:30. So I hope you all come out there now. Let's not let them people look like fools. Thank you."

"Mr. Wolf. Mr. Sam Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to suspend the appropriate posting rules in order that the following Bills can be heard in Personnel and Pensions this afternoon at 4:00. That's House Bill 243, 338, 1216, 2564, 2835, 3250, 3251, 3258, 2885 and 3032. This has been cleared with the other side of the aisle."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, the Higher Education Committee, which is scheduled to meet at 4:00 will not convene until 4:30 today. It's my hope that those Committee Members who need to present Bills in other Committees can be accommodated to get that done very early and get back SO that we can promptly go into session at 4:30 instead of 4:00."

"Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask leave of the House to suspend the appropriate posting rules to hear House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment 25 in Executive Committee tomorrow, Thursday, at 2:00 p. m. And I have talked and cleared with both the Committee Chairman and the Minority Spokesperson."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Chair or the Parliamentarian. We've passed the Motion on page 13. That is the Motion to have the Bills heard in Committee. The Committee per se has not been posted. What is the ruling on that?"

"Mr. Piel, there was an annoucement on the floor yesterday that the Committee would meet."

"That was the announcement... but on that announcement, Representative Vinson objected to that Committee being held... to her request, as far as the Committee being held. It was not the request as far as the Bills. It was the request of the Committee."

"Did Mr. Vinson distribute some earplugs at the time of his objection?"

"Pardon me?"

"Did Mr. Vinson distribute some earplugs at the time of his objection?" 57  112th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 2, 1984

"At times we do need those, but I did hear that thing he... he stood up and opposed, and it was a situation where all we needed was one dissenting vote on it."

"Farliamentarian infores me that ber announcement on the floor will suffice in terms of the scheduling of the Committee meeting."

"I beg your pardon, Mr. Speaker, but, you know, for a Committee to be held it has got to be posted, correct me, for one week. I believe there are so... you know, more than just 24 hours or 48 hours."

"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Piel. Mr. Sam Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to remind the Members of the Personnel and Pensions Committee that there will be a meeting this afternoon at 4:00 in Room C-1. I would appreciate it if everybody would be on time. We have a number of Bills to address and your complete cooperation is going to be needed. Thank you."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, an inquiry of the Chair. Has the Senate Message on Senate Joint Resclution Constitutional Amendment 98 been read?"

"Mr. Clerk, has the Message been read? Mr. Vinson, I understand that matter is on its way down to the Clerk's station now."

"Mr. Speaker, do you think that when we adjourn today, we might adjourn with perfunct time so that the Clerk can read that a first time?"

"That sounds like a good idea, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"On the Order of Agreed Resclutions, Mr. Clerk."

"House Resolution 884, Keane. House Resolution 885, Turner. 886, Topinka. And House Joint Resolution 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day 142, DiFrima."

"Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, Keane's 884 notes a golden wedding anniversary. 885, by Turner, a 25th anniversary. And House Joint 142, by DiPrima, commends the Southern Illinois University for calling... for naming a building in... at their complex the Sam Vadalabene Center for health, recreation and physical education. And 8... House Resolution 88, by McGann, also congratulates a golden anniversary. And I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Also House Resolution 888, McGann."

"Mr. Giorgi."

"I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Bonan. Mr. Ronan, could you tear yourself away from Mr. 'Strell'? Mr. Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to waive the appropriate rule and have House Bill 3202 heard in the Judiciary Committee tomorrow. I have talked to the Chairman and the Minority Spokesman. They have no problems with that. It hasn't been posted. That's the problem."

"I see. So, the Gentleman moves to suspend the posting requirements. Is there leave? Leave is granted. Is there anything further? Ladies and Gentlemen, we have two Death Resolutions, one a General Death Resolution and the other would be memorializing the death of the wife of Representative Christensen. And we shall adjourn upon the adoption of that Resolution. So, Mr. Clerk, read the first Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 887, by Representative Shaw, 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 with respect to the memory of Ms. Katie Gibson."

"Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the adoption of the Death Resolution."

"Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Leath Fesolution 883 is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"House Resolution 883, by Representative Van Duyne and Madigan. Whereas, it is with great sadness that this Body learns of the recent passing of Norma Christensen, beloved wife our our esteemed colleague from the 85th District, Representative Ray A. Christensen; and whereas, Mrs. Christensen was born Naomi 'Furie' in Carbon Hill, Illinois, August 12, 1922, was educated in the Coles City School System and has been employed by the Grundy County Sheriff's Office and for the past 11 years by the Secretary of State in the Morris, Illincis Drivers License and Examining Facility; and whereas, one cf five daughters, Norma Christensen cherished and nurtured life and with her devoted husband raised three wonderful sons and delighted in the joy of two special granddaughters; and whereas, the loss of Mrs. Christensen is shared by the many Members of the General Assembly who were fortunate to have known her warm and caring nature and by those who realize that the burdens of our public service would nct be born without the support and encouragement of loving families. Therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State cf Illinois, that we mark with sorrow the death of Norma Christensen, a noble woman whose selfishless life encompassed family, friends and public service and those numerous contributions to the people of this state shall long be inspired by those who survive for the best in themselves and that we express our 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day May 2, 1984 most heartfelt sympathy to Representative Ray Christensen in his grief. And be it further resolved that a suitable copy of this Resolution be presented to Representative Bay Christensen. And be it further resolved that in respect for the passing of Norma Christensen this Body now stands adjourned."

"Mr. Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you all know, Ray and Norma and my wife and I have been close for... for all our lives, really since we were about 14 or 15 years old in Morris and in Coles City, having gone to dances together, roller skating and all the other things that young people do before they are married. In my family there has been much heartfelt feeling in us for Norma while she underwent her ordeal and her illness. Also, we, personally, and the Members of the House and the Senate, too, have commisserated with Ray while he suffered through the anguish of his wife's illness and now in her death. And so, it is with this feeling in sympathy that we present for adoption, the Speaker and myself, House Resolution 883 and a suitable copy... and we hope that a suitable copy will be presented to our friend and his family for her rememberance and edification, and I ask that all Members be added as Sponsors. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Resolution 883 and that further the House stand adjourned until 12:00 noon tomorrow, providing 15 minutes of Perfunctory Session. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. The House does stand adjourned."

"Committee Reports. Representative DiFrisa, Chairman of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken May 2, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 112th Legislative Day 'Do pass Short Debate' House Bill 2864; 'dc not pass' House Resolution 339 and House Joint Resolution 61. Introduction and First Reading. House Bill 3274, Rice Brookins - Shaw - et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #98, adopted by the Senate April 30, 1984 by three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wright, Secretary of the Senate.' No further business, the House now stands adjourned." 62  09/07/84 12:30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 02, 1984 PAGE 1 HB-0551 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-0598 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-0762 SECOND BEADING FAGE 9 HB-1186 SECOND BEADING PAGE 43 HB-1188 SECOND READING PAGE 44 HB-1190 SECOND READING PAGE 44 HB-1935 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2175 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-2196 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-2253 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-2291 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-2325 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2328 SECOND HEADING PAGE 4 HB-2337 SECOND BEADING PAGE 11 HB-2359 SECOND BEADING PAGE 5 HB-2369 SECOND BEADING PAGE 11 HB-2384 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-2394 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-2420 SECOND BEADING PAGE 5 HB-2460 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-2464 SECOND READING PAGE 16 HB-2475 SECOND BEADING PAGE 3 HB-2483 SECOND READING PAGE 16 HB-2486 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-2524 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2525 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-2549 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-2549 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 18 HB-2556 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-2559 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-2560 SECOND GEADING PAGE 19 HB-2569 SECOND BEADING PAGE 4 HB-2574 SECOND READING PAGE 45 HB-2575 SECOND BEADING PAGE 4 HB-2578 SECOND READING PAGE 6 HB-2584 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-2590 SECOND READING FAGE 4 HB-2596 SECOND READING FAGE 6 HB-2610 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-2617 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-2619 SECOND BEADING PAGE 4 HB-2624 SECOND SEADING PAGE 46 HB-2625 SECOND BEADING PAGE 46 HB-2631 SECOND READING FAGE 47 HB-2638 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-2649 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-2658 SECOND READING PAGE 7. HB-2662 SECOND BEADING PAGE 49 HB-2668 SECOND BEADING PAGE 4 HB-2721 SECOND BEADING PAGE 50 HB-2751 SECOND READING PAGE 50 HB-2752 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-2765 SECOND READING PAGE 50 HB-2766 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-2797 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-2799 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-2800 SECOND BEADING PAGE 51 HB-2805 SECOND BEADING PAGE 52 HB-2815 SECOND BEADING PAGE 8 HB-2832 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2833 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2853 SECOND READING PAGE 53 HB-2853 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 53 HB-2887 SECOND BEADING PAGE 8 HB-3274 FIRST READING PAGE 62  09/07/84 12:30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 02, 1984 HR-0883 ADOPTED *HJR-0008 THIRD READING *HJR-0013 SECOND READING *HJR-0013 THIRD READING PAGE 2 PAGE 60 PAGE 20 PAGE 35 PAGE 36 SUBJECT MATTEB HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER MADIGAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND MCCOY PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 2 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 58 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 59 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 61 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 61 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 61 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 62 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 62