"The House will come to order. Members will be in their Chairs. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Merwin Masters, Pastor of Faith Tabernacle Church in Mahomet, Illinois. Reverend Masters is a guest of Representative Tim Johnson. Will the guests in the balcony please rise and join us in the invocation?"
"Shall we pray? Our Lord and our God, we recognize You as the Supreme Lord of the universe and that You are the one that has ordained that men and women be appointed to offices of authority in government over us, and we would invoke Your blessing upon each one of them today; that they may have the mind to think clearly and to consider carefully all of the issues that are at stake. We pray that You would help each of them to deliberate; and, as they think, may they make those decisions as they feel would be pleasing and honoring under Your Name. We pray, Lord, that You would bless them that they may make those laws that will lift up holiness, righteousness, justice and integrity in this great nation. Bless each Member of this Assembly, we pray today, and may they feel your divine presence throughout the entire day; that they might have wisdom and guidance in the times of need. Bless not only this Assembly, but this great state and this great nation of ours; that Your hand might be upon it, and we might listen to the Voice of God and walk in the ways of the Lord, for the Scripture says that righteousness exalted the nation, but sin is a reproach to any nation. We pray now that you would minister and guide and be with each one. In Jesus' Precious Name, Amen."
"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. 112 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Greiman."
"Mr. Speaker, we have no excused absences this morning."
"Thank you. Senate Bills First Reading."
"Senate Bill 1534, Nash, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expense of the State Comptroller. First Reading of the Bill. 1546, Nash, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Court of Claims and the State Comptroller. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1553, Barnes Daníels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Civil Service Commission. First Beading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1555, Younge, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Corrections. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1556, Barnes Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1557, Hastert Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Emergency Services and Disaster Agency. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1561, Barnes Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriatons for the ordinary and contingent expense of the General Assembly Retirement System. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1563, Barnes Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Judges' Retirement System. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 1564, Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Judicial Inquiry Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1566, Barnes - Daniels, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of Lieutenant Governor. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1568, Hastert - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Medical Center Commission. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1571, Barnes - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Pollution Control Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1573, Hastert - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Prisoner Review Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1575, Hastert - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Governor's Purchase Care Review Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1576, Barnes - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Racing Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1610, Nash, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to certain state agencies. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1611, Greiman, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Education for the disbursement of certain monies. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1578, Barnes - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the State Employees' Retirement System. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1581, Barnes - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Public School Teachers' Pension and Retirement Fund. First Reading of the Bill. 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Senate Bill 1582, Barnes - Daniels, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Teachers' Retirement System. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1586, Nash, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for certain officers and agencies. First Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Piel."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Neff is excused today, please?"
"Yes, thank you."
"Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1002, Krska."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 1002, Krska, resolves that the week of May 27th through June 2nd be declared Neighborhood Housing Service Week. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolution."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."
"Alright. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to suspend House Rule 37 and 84 with regard to House Bill 3277."
"You have heard the Lady's Motion. She moves to suspend House Rule 37 and 84 with regard to House Bill 3277. The purpose of this will be to eventually place this on Second Legislative Day. All those in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Motion carries."
"Then, Mr. Speaker..." 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984
"Excuse me. That... The Motion on that was leave to use the Attendance Roll Call. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, leave is granted. Representative Frederick."
"Alright. Mr. Speaker, then I move to take from the table and place on Second Reading Second Legislative Day House Bill 3277."
"The Lady asks leave to use the Attendance Roll Call to take House Bill 3277 from the table and place on Second Reading Second Legislative Day. And on that, Representative Cullerton."
"Representative Frederick, is it your intention to amend the Bill in any way today? Do you want to move the Bill to Third Reading today? I can't hear you."
"Yes. I would like very much to do that."
"Okay. We haven't had a chance to analyze the Bill yet, and I have no objections to moving it to Third Reading; but, if we do come up with some technical problems or a need of any Amendments, you would certainly be willing to bring it back to Second Reading for that purpose?"
"Representative Cullerton, I could leave it on Second."
"Well, if you could, perhaps, do that until... just until we have a chance to look at it, and then, perhaps, if there's no problems... As you know, I'm a Cosponsor of the Bill with you."
"Okay. Yes. Right."
"I'm not in any way opposed to it. I just want to take a chance to look at it."
"Okay. Mr. Speaker..."
"No further discussion. Representative Frederick."
"Would the Clerk read the Bill on Second Reading?" 5 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"Hearing no objections, leave is granted. The Attendance Roll Call will be used, and House Bill 3277 is placed on Second Reading Second Legislative Day. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3277, a Bill for an Act to create an Act to provide for the inspection, licensing and regulation of carnival and amusement rides and equipment and to provide for the safety of the public using carnival and amusement rides and equipment. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Representative, it's your intent to leave this, then, on Second Reading? Representative Frederick."
"Yes, if I could leave it on Second Reading, and we get our problems resolved, could we move it to Third today?"
"Yes."
"Alright. Thank you."
"Second Reading. Senate Bills Third Reading, page four of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 294, Representative Jaffe. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Bill 294, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, basically, Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 294 is now the Bill, and it really addresses just a small area of the law. It talks about non-marital property and adds to the items currently deemed non-marital property - property, including income, acquired more than one year after the parties began occupying separate abodes and continue to reside 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 separately. And also, it provides that the marital property shall be divided without regard to marital misconduct, except that the court may - and I underline 'may' - take into consideration marital property where there has been one spouse convicted of the crime of solicitation, conspiracy or attempt to murder the other spouse during the marriage. That, basically, is the Bill, and I would be happy to answer any questions with regard to it."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of Senate Bill 294. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Gentleman would yield for a question."
"Indicates he will."
"Always. Always. Always a delight to yield to.."
"Well, maybe not, Representative Jaffe. Representative Jaffe, do I understand that somehow this is in response to a case where one party is guilty of some kind of a violent action against another?"
"Well, that's only part of it. That's a very small... You're talking about the ... case. Yeah."
"But, it's part of the Bill."
"But I understand what your problem was with it."
"I don't have a problem, necessarily."
"Okay. Okay. But what happened was, in the prior Bill that we... that was attempted to pass the Legislature, that was mandatory. In this particular Bill, all that we're saying is that the Judge may... may."
"What are the factors... What are the factors that a Judge would take into consideration? I mean, if... if a husband hit her with a hammer, do we knock off a little bit, or if he hit her with an axe, it was a little bit 7 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 more? How would you... How would you make that decision, Representative Jaffe?" ;
"I think that that would be relatively easy, because the language says that if one spouse is convicted... First of all, there has to be a conviction of the crime of solicitation, conspiracy or attempt to murder the other spouse during the marriage. So, I... "
"What would be the factors? In other words, let's assume that a wife had all the money in the family. She had brought all the money into the family and put it into the... put it into the family coffers. It was now marital property. And now. she was convicted of some crime or other, because... you know, which I... which We won't condone, of course... "
"Well, you understand, of course, this can't be just any crime. This is where she's attempting to kill her husband."
"NO, no. A crime violence aimed at the husband. A crime of violence aimed at the husband, or vice versa."
"She's attempting to kill her husband."
"So now, we're... the court is... Now they're in divorce court, and the court looks at their marital property. all of which she furnished, or all of which he furnished, and what will the court use as a... as a guide as to whether she should forfeit some of her property or whether he should forfeit some of his property? What kind of guide does one use for that?"
"Well, no. We have to... you know, it's very broad, you know, and it basically says that the court may take that into consideration. As you know, at the present time, if a spouse tries to kill the other spouse, the court can't even take that into consideration."
"What I an asking you, though... I understand that, 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 but... Now, if you were a Judge, Representative Jaffe, if you were a Judge, what would... what consideration would you give? How would you divide it up? What factors would you... would you decide?"
"Well, not wanting to prejudge any case that came before me, Representative Greiman, I would wait to see what the facts are. If you would want to give me a set of facts, I would tell you how I would rule."
"Wife is... Alright. The husband is guilty of attempt. The... All of the property is the wife's, and... or no. All of the property is the husband's also. All the marital property was the husband's, and now we're in the divorce court. What do we do? How do we divvy it up? What factor do we use? It was an attempt."
"Well, basically, is there a conviction? I mean... "
"Yes, of course. There has to be a conviction... "
"You know, what we're talking about is... "
"Yes."
"... there's a conviction of one spouse trying to kill the other."
"Conviction for attempt. Attempting. Attempt."
"Attempt to kill the other. Okay. But there has been a conviction of it. It's just not an allegation."
"Absolutely. That's part of the condition of Jaffe: procedure." "So all that you can really say in that particular instance is that the court now has leeway to take into consideration whether or not they should give that... Say... Say you have one spouse who's now going to get half the property because she tried to kill her husband. Do you think that that's fair? I don't think that's... "
"Mr. Jaffe, I don't know what's fair, but it's quite obvious you don't know... " 9 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman. Could we have some attention, please? There is so much noise in the chamber that the Members cannot hear the discussion. Proceed."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, to the Bill."
"Proceed."
"This case... This Section or Amendment to the Divorce Act comes out of a case where there was a woman who attempted to have her husband bumped off. She felt she would avoid lawyers' fees, I guess, by that device and was caught; and, subsequently, during the divorce, they found that the court had to give her her marital property. The truth of the matter is that that made sense - that we have civil actions. We have no forfeiture in our law. There are fines. There are criminal penalties. And what this Bill does is it mixes up the civil law with the criminal law. We don't have forfeiture for crimes in Illinois, and we ought not to have it. We have, instead, a sensible Divorce Act that allows the Judge leeway to divide the property between the parties based on marital property, based on all the factors that are in there. Now, Representative Jaffe's Bill sets no standards for the court - not one standard. So the court would just kind of decide that, well maybe I should penalize this husband. Maybe this husband isn't entitled to that marital property, even though it's all his contribution. It's a forfeiture statute. It mixes criminal law with civil law. It's wrong... It's a wrong concept. It's based on the emotionalism of a case that came down from the Supreme Court, and I think that this Bill should be postponed indefinitely for consideration. I'm going to vote 'no' on it." 10 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Speaker McPike: "The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken." May 31, 1984
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will."
"Yeah, I will."
"Representative, does House Amendment #2 become the Bill? Does it supersede all prior Amendments?"
"I'm sorry. I didn't hear you."
"Does House Amendment #2 become the Bill? Does it... "
"Yes, it becomes the Bill."
"Okay. It is a change in current law, is it not, to make non-marital property all property acquired during separation. Is that a change in current law?"
"No. Well, it's not... I don't think it's really... it's really that drastic a change in current law. Basically, what this Bill says is that after the parties have lived separate and apart for one year, the new property that they acquire now becomes non-marital property."
"And is the requirement that the separation be continuous?"
"I'm sorry. I didn't hear that question."
"Does any period of reconciliation defeat the 12 month period?"
"The Bill basically says that the property, including income acquired more than one year after the parties began occupying separate abodes and continue to reside separately."
"Alright. Now, if there were a brief reconciliation..."
"Then, they would not... then they would have not continued..."
"Would you start the 12 months over?" 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"I guess so, according to the Amendment. May 31, 1984 Sure."
"Okay. And current law makes all property acquired during the marriage marital, whether they are separated not. Is that right?" or
"Well, that is correct. But you know, very often the woman will go out to try to, you know, start her own life, and so on and so forth, and she will acquire this property. And it's the philosophy of the Bill that that property should be hers, and I think it should."
"Okay. And it works both ways. The man's, as well?"
"Oh, sure. Yeah, no question."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Representative Jaffe, to close."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I think that this is a good Bill, and the first portion of it, I don't think that there's any problem with that. That's the portion dealing with non-marital property. And when Representative Greiman says that there's a forfeiture under this Bill, that just isn't correct. There is no forfeiture under this particular Bill. Basically, what the Bill says is that the Judge, you know, may take into consideration the fact that one spouse has been convicted of attempting to kill or kill the other spouse in divvying up the property. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that concept, and I think it's a good Bill, and I think that it deserves a 'yes' vote, and I would so move."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of Senate Bill 294. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 294 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 47 'ayes', 26 'nos', 32 voting 'present'. This Bill, having 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 failed to receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. Senate Bill 1657, Representative Oblinger. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Bill 1657, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Medical Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Oblinger."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, this amends the Medical Practice Act. The Bill has been agreed to among the Director of Registration and Education, the Illinois Medical Society, the Illinois Chiropractic Society and the Illinois Osteopathic Society. It raises the license fees, which is very necessary at this time, and also puts the interest on their funds into the same fund as the fees go. And if this Bill does not pass, the license... the amount of money will be running out within the next couple of days, which will mean that the license renewals cannot be sent out, and that will mean a number of employees will lose their jobs. But in addition, there would not be time to discern the validity of the licensee renewal request, nor the malpractice insurance background. It's very important that we discuss and take action on this Bill today."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1657. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes. Would the Lady yield for a question?"
"Indicates she will."
"Representative Oblinger, could you describe to us how the monies are raised for this Illinois State Medical Disciplinary Fund?"
"It's made up of the fees collected from the licensees." 13 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"And what is the... And what is the money used for?"
"The money is used for the hearings that they must hold on the licenses that are challenged. It is also used for the renewal procedure."
"And why is there a depletion of the Fund? I understand that the money is about to run out of the Fund. Is that correct?"
"That's right. They had... As of April 25th, they had $158,777. The employees who work under the Medical Disciplinary Fund are paid out of the Fund. That was $105. The Board members for the hearings were $120,000, and the contractual, travel, telecommunications is estimated at 39,000, and that would leave a minus balance of $223. And that's why they need it."
"Now, this is called a Medical Disciplinary Board? Is that correct? There is also a Medical Disciplinary Board that meets to... "
"Yes."
"And is this Fund related to that Board?"
"This is the Medical Disciplinary Board."
"Right. And what does this Board do? Determines whether or not doctors have... should be disciplined?"
"This is the... "
"Among other things?"
"Isn't this the Board that... This is the Board that hears, such as the Bar Association's Disciplinary Board. This one hears those members who have been alleged to have done improper things."
"Right. Now, it's been my understanding that the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission is very active in looking to cleanup its profession, and I just wondered if the reason why this Fund is being depleted in the medical profession is because there's been an increase 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 in challenges or complaints filed concerning malpractice on the part of doctors."
"No, the reason the money was depleted, they have not raised their renewal fees for many, many years, and that's why this Bill also has that part in it. They've raised them by $10, from 25 to 35, because the cost of running the Board the employees and the Board members costs have gone up since the last increase. With the increase, they don't think they'll ever have this problem."
"Well, I'm just... Do you know if there's been any increase in the... in the complaints concerning medical malpractice?"
"No. I'm informed by the young lady from the Department, there has not been an increase."
"Well, that is a problem in and of itself, isn't it? Since there has been a tremendous increase and we know a number of lawsuits filed against doctors because of medical malpractice, why hasn't the Medical Disciplinary Board gone after their own doctors to a greater extent?"
"One of the reasons, I believe, is because of the divided responsibility in the medical profession, on the licensing as against the grievance and disciplinary. The Bar Association, as I understand it, the two work together. This one has been very difficult. They haven't had that kind of staff, but they intend to have the staff. I think the... I know the number of malpractice suits have increased immeasureably, and that would lead me to believe that they would have more disciplinary action to take."
"Do you think they're asking for enough money? Maybe they need more."
"No, I think with a $10 increase from the osteopaths and from the doctors and from the chiropractors, we ought to be safe." 15 128th Legislative Day
"Alright. questions. you." STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 Thank you very much for answering my I'm through, Mr. Speaker.
Sorry to bother Speaker McPike: "Representative Oblinger, to close."
"The reason I am the Sponsor of this Bill and understand the problems, as some of you and most of you know, probably, I used to be the Assistant Director of that Department and realized that the staff that is necessary to carry out these directives must be paid out of the funds of those associations and professions, and I believe this Bill will relieve us of any further problems for the next several years, and I would ask for an affirmative vote."
"The Lady moves for passage of Senate Bill 1657. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1657 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 114 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present', and 1657, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bills Third Reading, Special Subject Matter Constitutional Officers, appears House Bill 2729, Representative Woodyard. Representative Woodyard."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave to return this Bill to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment."
"The Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 2729 to Second Reading for Amendments. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 2729, Second Reading."
"Amendment #3, Greiman, amends House Bill 2729 on page three and so forth."
"Representative Greiman, Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 House. Amendment #3 amends the Secretary of State's budget to provide for the start up costs dealing with the 'chop-shop' legislation that we passed the other day. The... Ultimately, the... and the revised fiscal note indicates this, that ultimately this will not only be... pay for itself - this program - but it will make money for the state. This is the start-up costs, and I would ask for its adoption."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor, signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Woodyard."
"Thank you. Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave to... for immediate consideration on Third Reading."
"The Gentleman asks leave to waive the appropriate rules, so that House Bill 2729 can be heard on Third Reading at this time. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2729, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Secretary of State. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Edgar, Representative Woodyard."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the annual appropriation for the Secretary of State's Office for a total now, with the two House Amendments, of $170,533,236. It does represent a 10.59% increase. A lot of that are as a result of the new programs that the House and Senate have passed in ... the areas. It is an increase of 16 million dollars, over half 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 of which is from these new programs. I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have, or move for its passage."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2729. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will."
"Was the Secretary of State asked, at one time, to allow his offices to be used for voter registration, and he said that it could not be used for voter registration?"
"I don't know."
"Could you explain, on page two, line 22, what the money is being appropriated for from the Lottery Fund, inasmuch as the Secretary of State doesn't have a lottery?"
"Yes, it's my understanding that... "
"Well, they do for vanity plates."
"They what?"
"I had to correct myself. They really do, for lottery plates, but... it's $140,000...or, vanity plates."
"Yes, it's my understanding that when the Secretary of State does take over the Department of Revenue Building, that that line item will... is put in there for the portion of that building that is used by the Lottery, and it's for utility costs."
"Could you explain what Representative Stuffle's position might be on this Bill?"
"Prone."
"Pardon me?"
"Prone."
"He's prone?"
"You asked us... You asked what his position is."
"Oh, his position is he's still prone today? I'm glad I'm here today. What is the percent of increase in General 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day Revenue funds?"
"About 9%." May 31, 1984
"Nine percent. And what is the salary increases for employees in this Bill?"
"4.25%"
"How are they going to handle reassignments and requests under the new replating program?"
"Is there any further discussion?"
"I asked a question for which he has not responded."
"He had a question. We understand that they are... will be hiring intermittent personnel - 73 intermittent clerks."
"Why would they have to hire 73 intermittent clerks? Because the regular ones aren't getting it done, or would they be hired right prior to the general election, or would these be commission employees that are going to get pink slipped?"
"It's my understanding from the staff that due to the cyclical effect of the work, that it is felt that this is a better way to handle it by hiring the intermittent rather than the other kind."
"The word is 'cyclical', I understand, from my Parliamentarian."
"Not in southern Illinois."
"I have another... I have another question. In many cases, people ask for a vanity plate, and they cannot produce that vanity plate. And everybody gets renewal stickers with a certain color and a month on them. When did they start issuing yellow stickers with a big, black 'T', meaning 'temporary', on it? When did they start doing that, and why?"
"I do not know, but I certainly would be glad to take that up with the Secretary, and if you have..." 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984
"I just said to my staff, Bozell doesn't know, so you don't know."
"... vanity plates, maybe we could take that up, too."
"Mr. Bozell doesn't know the answer to when they started issuing temporary stickers? It seems to me that they cannot produce the plates that fast, or something's breaking down in the system that they'd have to go to a temporary sticker, and I didn't know that the police were notified of this problem. But, could you find out why the Secretary of State is issuing those T's? And maybe they just can't produce, or... Those are all produced, I believe, in Danville. Is that correct?"
"Decatur."
"In Decatur? Is it the facility can't produce them that fast?"
"I think they're just in the start up program, as of right now, on those plates, and there may be some delay."
"Did we ever solve the problem of why we're getting Mexican steel that's too heavy and; therefore, we're paying out more in postage?"
"I understand that that problem has been solved. We're now using tortillas."
"Well, the question is serious because your specifications for license plates call for a two set... a set of plates, two each, and you have produced a line item for postage, or you pay out postage based on the weight of those license plates. And what is happening in those plates made in Texas in the prisons, are being made on steel that does not meet your specifications. Therefore, they are in breach of contract, and we are paying out more in postage than you have in the Bill. Is it your intent to come back for a supplemental?"
"No." 20 STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"You going May 31, 1984 to send them out third class? producing plates that... "
Are they Woodyard: "This is the last time that we'll have those plates."
"Out of Mexico... Out of Texas?"
"Yeah. From Texas." Leveren2: "Where will they be made then later?"
"Decatur. Decatur."
"Totally? All of them are going to be made in Decatur? It's about time."
"Yes."
"If you could get the answer for the T stickers, we'd appreciate that. And you're saying now all license plates meet the weight requirements?"
"Yes. It's my understanding as soon as we get the last of the Texas plate, yes, that will be taken care of."
"Thank you."
"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Edgar, Representative Woodyard, to close."
"I think everybody understands this Bill well enough, and I've given the amounts in the Bill, and so, I would ask for a favorable Foll Call."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2729 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting aye, none vcting 'no', and none voting present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Special Call for all appropriation Bills dealing with the issue of environment and public health, we will hear first, House Bill 2610, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Pill,"
"House Bill 2610, a Bill for an Act making 21 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Nuclear Safety. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2610 addresses the budget for the Department of Nuclear Safety; and, as amended, it is $10,458,800. And the Amendments that were adopted adds 12,000 to printing line items for Division of Radiation Safety, adds $30,000 for a contractual line item in Division of Nuclear Safety, adds $2,870,000 from the NESP Fund for the Department. This funding will come for increasing fees charged on nuclear power. The purpose is equipment and employees for safety oversight as follows: 1,500,000 for effluent and remote computer monitoring systems in the Zion plant; 1,300,000 for two mobile laboratories and three positions to operate them; $50,000 for local government emergency nuclear planning. I'd be willing to answer any questions, if there are any."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 2610. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She will."
"Thank you. Could she explain Amendment #4 to the Bill? Would you explain Amendment 4?"
"Yes. The increased monies will be allocated for the following purposes: 1.5 million for state of the art in-stack effluent monitoring system at Zion Nuclear Power Plant and update in the remote monitoring control computer systems; 1.3 million for two mobile laboratories and two analysis vehicles and updating emergency communications and data presentation equipment, three news staff, two 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 chemists, one computer technologist to operate the new mobile labs and operate the increased computer activity; and $50,000 in increased authorization for reimbursement to local governments for their emergency planning activities."
"And how will this money be raised?"
"Based on the fees to the nuclear power plants."
"And those fees will generate how much money?"
"Over a period of about six years, approximately 26 million."
"Madam Speaker, to the Bill."
"Proceed."
"We pointed out yesterday when we adopted Amendment #4 and when the substantive language passed, to those who have received criticism from utility rate payers, your consumers, that this money will be directly passed on to the rate payer - the consumer - a total of $26,000,000. You may have voted red or yellow on the substantive Bill. When you vote for this appropriation, you may find a release generated in your district saying that you just gave every electric consumer in the state an increase in their utility bill. So for those who want to be conservative, for those who want to be responsive to their constituencies and for those who were proponents of the CUB legislation and the entire package, I alert you to the fact that you may want to vote red or yellow on this Bill. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She will."
"Representative Barnes, did you indicate, in your presentation, what the increase was - percentage increase was - over last year?" 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"Representative, it is 33%, $41,875,900." May 31, 1984
"And the reason why it's so high is that because of this added money that Representative Leverenz was just talking about?"
"That is correct."
"Without that money, what would the increase be?"
"Would you like me to take this out of the record, Representative Cullerton, and we could discuss it?"
"No. I... As a matter of course, I thought that as a courtesy, whether it be a Republican or a Democratic Sponsor, that we were going to indicate what the percentage increase was for these appropriation Bills. That was the practice last year."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"
"On a point of order, Madam Speaker."
"State your point."
"What... In regard to Representative Cullerton's question, what he may not realize is that Representative Barnes was at her husband's side in surgery yesterday and was not aware of the conversation that took place yesterday in regard to the things that Mr. Cullerton wanted into the record. And I'm sure she will provide those things, but I don't believe he was aware of that particular situation."
"Very good, Representative Vinson. Representative Leverenz, can you answer the question?"
"Yes. In all funds, it's an 81% increase, and in GRF, 152% increase."
"Thank you. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin. Oh, excuse me. Representative Cullerton was not finished. Representative Cullerton."
"Representative Barnes, this Amendment that Representative Leverenz was talking about - was this the 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Bill the substantive language was that the Bill that was very hotly debated and resulted in passing by only a few votes? Do you recall whether that was the...
"That is correct, and Representative Churchill, I believe, handled that because that's his area."
"And that's the Bill where we got all the Republicans to vote for it, as many as we could, because it was considered to be perhaps a rate increase to utility payers. Is that the same one?"
"Representative Cullerton, is that the one you and I supported?"
"I know that I voted for it, as I recall."
"I think I did, too."
"It got 61 votes. Is that right?"
"That is correct."
"Alright. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I concur with the remarks of Representative Leverenz. This is, in fact, a hidden rate increase for the utility subscribers. And I would say that, you know, if it was going to be used for a good purpose, it might have some justification. We're all concerned about safety. We're all concerned about the poor record of Commonwealth Edison and the... some of the other utilities where they have massive fines. But it seems to me that this is not going to be used for a good purpose. We have the Department of Nuclear Safety that has been able to demonstrate over the years that it can't seem to do anything right. And to raise rates by millions of dollars so they can have another project, I really question. I would remind you that the Department of Nuclear Safety is that great agency that can't seem to read the law; and, if you remember, we had 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 the X-Ray technician legislation, which simply provided for accreditation of X-Ray technicians and grandfathered in those that went before. But this Department couldn't seem to read that law and came forth with a full-blown licensing law; and, when the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules pointed out to them that there was no way they could do what they did, they decided they were going to go ahead anyway. And it took legislation by this Body, which passed overwhelmingly, to get the message to that agency that they are supposed to follow the law. So this agency has a lousy record in terms of what it's done in terms of safety, and I suggest that ve vote for the consumer and vote against House Bill 2610."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative
Vinson. Vinson: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wonder, Madam Speaker, if you might restore order to the chamber. We're debating a very important issue here. Madam Speaker, a number of things have been said in regard to this Bill and to this agency and to the program providing SOME degree of protection for the people who live around nuclear power plants in this state. Now, I think Members might still recall those who care about the long term view of things, anyway that just a couple of years ago there was a tragic accident at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania. One of the things that was clearly illustrated at that Three Mile Island accident is that it is inadequate to totally rely on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission at the Federal Government level for the purpose of protecting people from those hazards that might be associated with nuclear power. Now, what we have here is a proposal where the administration has stepped foward with a suggestion that we place independent monitors to determine whether or not there is a 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 radiation leak at nuclear power plants. That can give the public surrounding those plants advance notice and substantial protection, and it can make sure that there are not leaks which we are not even aware of; that we will know what the story is. I would suggest that any Member who votes against this is voting against the environment and public safety. And they are inviting a complete closedown of a plant which would have much greater impact on rates than simply providing the monitors and the mechanisms to provide for some degree of public protection at these plants. I cannot, in my wildest dreams, imagine how somebody could say that we ought not have some protection from radiation. And if you vote against this Bill, that's what you're doing. I would urge an 'aye' vote on the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Yes, Madam Speaker. I rise so that it be clear that not everybody on this side of the aisle is in opposition to this Bill. On the one hand, I have heard it said that the Department of Nuclear Safety has a poor record of safety; yet, on the other hand, when we, by passing a Bill out here, give them the tools to make certain that they do provide that type of safety, that they can monitor the levels of radioactivity and emissions so that we can determine whether there may be an accident, I think that makes good public policy. I believe that I may have been the only public official, when they put the nuclear plant in Zion at that location, to be opposed to that site. Yet, it's there now. Within our substantive legislation, the Zion Nuclear Plant will be one of the sites that will have a monitoring device. That is proper, and rightly so, and I object to those who say that we shouldn't do that, and I 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 urge the Members to support this appropriation Bill so that we can work toward that safety."
"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."
"Thank you. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Representative Matijevich is absolutely correct, and those of you who live north and drive I-55, I'm sure when you drive ty Braidwood, which is the one you can see, you shudder just a little bit. Well, those of us that live around, including you, Madam Speaker, around the facilities, as Representative Matijevich pointed out how in the world we understand the politics, Gentleman and Lady On the other side, we understand the politics of what you're all about. But, you don't have to live there. Representative Van Duyne, Christensen and I, and Representative Preslin a number of us have to live in the shadows of those things, and we want to make damn sure that they're safe. And you had cught not defeat this Bill on petty partisan politics but rise above that, and all your prattlings over there about what they have done or not done pales in comparison to what might happen if these safety arrangements are not put in place. So, this Bill better get out, and we better even if it's half-baked take a shot at it."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this legislation, and I'd like to point out a couple of things. First of all, this is an appropriation Bill. We passed a substantive Bill out of this chamber just last week 3098 that provides for new program expansion and the funding source for that program expansion. This Bill will not negate the effect of that funding source. This is the appropriation Bill for that new funding source. So if you don't have this Bill, you've 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 got the funding source in place, and the taxpayers will be nicked anyway. But there will not be any safety benefits flowing from the new funds, because we don't... we would not appropriate them if this Bill got killed. So that's one reason why we ought to pass this legislation at this time. Another thing that I think everyone ought to keep in mind is that the Federal Government has legislation that guides state policy, and the various nuclear power plants face a very limited liability. If there is a nuclear accident, they are not liable for more than a couple of hundred million dollars; whereas, the actual cost to the communities could be substantially in excess of that. The Three Mile Island incident in Pennsylvania is costing over a billion dollars. So, what we need to do is to make absolutely sure, to the maximum extent that we can, that the safety of those nuclear power plants is assured. So, in the absence of private insurance, we need to redouble our efforts at the state level to monitor these facilities. And I think we should listen to the people who live the closest to those facilities, and they're urging an "aye vote, and I support them. And I urge an 'aye vote, too."
"There being no further discussion, the Lady from Cook, Representative Barnes, to close."
"Well, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would just like everybody to know that the cost that they're talking about is approximately four cents per month per customer, and to me, when we're saving many, many lives, that's a small fee to pay. And I would recommend an 'aye vote for this good Bill."
"The question is, "Shall House Bill 2610 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Frummer asks to be voted 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 'no'. Representative Mulcahey asks to be voted 'no'. Representative Laurino asks to be voted 'aye'. On this Roll Call, there are, therefore, 90 voting 'aye', 9 voting 'no', 6 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Environment and Public Health, appropriations Bills, appears House Bill 2641, Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2641, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Public Health. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Hastert."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. House Bill 2641 is for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Public Health, and I'd be happy to answer any questions on that Bill."
"The Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 2641. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no dis... Representative Mulcahey, on the question."
"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"The Gentleman will yield for a question."
"Representative Hastert, what is the percent increase over and above last year?"
"5.7, Sir."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Be will." Dunn, J.: "What... I see some Amendments to the Bill. What do the Amendments do? Maybe there's only one Amendment. What does it do?"
"Amendment #1 moves some money around. It's federal funds - non-GRF funds - for maternal child health programs 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day and long care service delivery systems for the developmentally disabled. Amendment #2 adds... " Dunn, J.: "Where is the... What is the Parents Too Soon Program funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation?"
"Would you repeat that question? I didn't hear that." Dunn, J. "What is the Parents Too Soon Program funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation?"
"That money, Representative, was some special gift money, and I'll try to find your answer. You want to know where the Parents Too Soon Program is?" Dunn, J.: "I just want to know what this is. It's in Amendment #1."
"It's $40,000 from a private foundation. It was the Robert Wood Johnson foundation. Amendment #2... Do you want me to go on with... and Amendment #2 is an addition of $995,000 for prenatal care initiatives. That was an Amendment that Representative McGann offered on the House floor, and what it does, basically, is fund hospitals across the state to educate medical groups and doctors on prenatal care." Dunn, J.: "Thank you."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall House Bill 2641 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2627, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2627, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Environmental Protection Agency. Third Reading of the Bill." 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984
"Representative Barnes, do you wish to bring this Bill back for Amendments? Representative Daniels, on that question."
"I will be handling this Bill, Madam Speaker. Yes, I wish to bring it back to Second Reading."
"The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. And on that question, the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." Dunn, J.: "I object."
"The Gentleman objects. Representative Daniels then moves - is that correct? - that this Bill return to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of Amendments. All those in favor vote "aye", all those opposed vote "no". This requires 71 votes. The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 94 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. And the Motion carries. This Bill is on the Order of Second Reading. Clerk, read the Amendment."
"Amendment #4, Karpiel - Wojcik, amends House Bill 2627 as amended."
"Representative Karpiel."
"I move to... I withdraw Amendment #4."
"Withdraw Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, McPike - Davis, amends House Bill 2627 as amended."
"Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I don't want to waste any time, but I would like to spend a minute explaining this. Last year, the General Assembly directed the EPA to implement a permit and inspection fee for various hazardous waste dumps and on-site dumps in the State of Illinois, but we anticipated 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 that this would be a reasonable fee and a well worked out plan. A company in my area had been inspected once a year for the last 10 years on the impoundments that they had. This... The EPA then decided that since the company itself was going to pay for inspections, they would change that from a once-a-year inspection to something a little more to their liking. It seemed to me reasonable if they wanted to inspect twice a year or four times a year, or I probably couldn't have argued with once a month. But the EPA decided that this company should be inspected five days a week, 52 weeks a year. The inspection consisted of driving two hours to the company, a four hour inspection, a two hour drive back and four hours of paper work so that the company was going to be billed for 12 hours of work a day, five days a week, 52 weeks a year. I thought this was a little unreasonable. So instead of appropriating a million dollars to the EPA for these inspection fees, Representative Davis and I have decided to reduce this amount to zero, until such time as the agency comes to us with some type of reasonable plan. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #5."
"The Amendment moves for the adoption of Amendment #5 to House Bill 2627. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #6, Daniels - Mautino - Davis - et al, amends House Bill 2627."
"Representative Daniels."
"Withdraw Amendment #6."
"Withdraw Amendment #6. Are there any further 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day Amendments?" May 31, 1984
"Floor Amendment #7, Daniels - Mautino - Davis - et al."
"Representative Daniels."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #7 provides for 38.6 million in state anti-bond funding for the named 51 backlogged communities who have completed grant applications for sewage treatment plants but for whom full federal funding is not available at this time. Amendment #7, as I said, appropriates the dollars. The Members should know that this is only the first half of a 70.4 million dollar package. Implied in the adoption of this Amendment is a commitment by the state to provide completion funding of 31.8 million for seven projects in future years. I have received a personal commitment from Dr. Mandeville that the remaining funding of 31.8 million will be included in the Governor's budget next year. This Amendment includes several projects. All projects, I want to emphasize, have been improved on backlog, that they have been approved projects ready to go if we approve this. You're doing your communities a great service by adopting this Amendment."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #7 to House Bill 2627. And on that question, the Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."
"Is Amendment #7 on the Members' desks? I have Amendment #8 and Amendment #6. I don't see Amendment #7."
"Yes, it has been printed and distributed."
"You're a Sponsor. You're a Sponsor of this one, Representative Mautino."
"I know. That's why I wanted to see the Amendment."
"You don't think we'd pull a fast one on you, do you?"
"There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #7 to House Bill 2627 be adopted?" 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #8, Wolf, amends House Bill 2627 as amended."
"Representative Wolf."
"Madam Speaker, request leave to withdraw Amendment #8."
"Withdraw Amendment #8. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The Gentleman now asks leave for immediate consideration of House Bill 2627. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Gentleman has leave. House Bill 2627, Representative... Read the Bill a third time, please."
"House Bill 2627, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Environmental Protection Agency. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Daniels."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the FY '85 request for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the EPA in the amount of $159,534,600. This is $93,787,900 less than the FY '84 estimated expenditure. This decrease is entirely due to the normal lapse in the construction grants for sewage treatment systems. As you all know, we just added an Amendment for the Anti-Pollution Bond Fund which was worked out with the EPA through the cooperation of several people, including Representative Mautino, Davis, Matijevich, Winchester, Wait and Mays, my office and Speaker Madigan's Office. I want to commend them for the excellent work they've done. With the addition of the 38.6 million in 35 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 state anti-pollution bond funding, many projects that were on backlog can now be funded, to the credit of the Members of the General Assembly. I ask for your favorable support of this Bill."
"The Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 2627. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2627 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Environment and Public Health Appropriations appears House Bill 2653, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2653, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Conservation. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes, do you wish to bring this Bill back for the purposes of an Amendment?"
"Could I take this out of the record for the moment?"
"Out of the record. House Bill 2734, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2734, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Conservation. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Mautino."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment... Excuse me. House Bill 2734 appropriates 1.6 million dollars for the purchase of equipment. This legislation was unanimously 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day supported in the Appropriations Committee. is to be used by the Department of state-owned facilities as May 31, 1984 That equipment Conservation for it pertains to maintenance, dredging, et cetera. It was brought to our attention individual projects were in the area of one to two million dollars on contractual, and we're only completing, like, one a year. This money for this equipment will allow a crew to work basically six to nine months out of the year on 10 to 15 projects that are in need, and the Department would certainly support this concept. There is... There was no opposition in Committee, and I think it's time that the Department themselves have the equipment to do many of the jobs which have heretofore been set on the back burner under freezes, and I ask for your favorable support."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2734. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2734 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Barnes, are you ready to proceed on House Bill 2653?"
"Madam Speaker, we are not, because there is an Amendment that has not been resolved with the Department, and I am extending a courtesy by holding it for a Member on the other side."
"Very good. We will come back to this Order of Call at a later time, with leave of the House. On the Order of Economic Development, appropriation matters, appears House Bill 2549, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day read the Bill." May 31, 1984
"House Bill 2549, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority Reconstruction Fund and to the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Capparelli."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Bouse Bill 2549 appropriates the sum of 4.8 million from the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority Reconstruction Fund to the Metropolitan Fair and Exhibition Authority for its corporate purposes. The appropriation contained in this legislation is authorized by Public Act 860 (sic 80-860), effective 1977. I would move for approval of the Bill."
"The Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 2549. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2549 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 74 voting 'aye", 29 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is herety declared passed. The next Bill appearing on this Special Call is House Bill 2634, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2634, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illinois Development Finance Authority. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2634 appropriates five million all General Revenue funds to the newly created Illinois Development Finance Authority for Fiscal Year '85. And the purpose of the Industrial Revenue Bond Insurance Fund seeks to appropriate 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 the money to purchase commercial credit insurance and to issue tax exempt industrial revenue bonds, which would be secured by the this Industrial Revenue Bond Insurance Fund. The Insurance Fund will become the safety net mechanism designed to enhance the marketing of the Authority's Industrial Revenue Bonds. The application for loan insurance approval must be screened by a lender's committee and approved by Authority according to the following: (a) loan must be for industrial projects, (b) borrower must be deemed credit worthy, (c) must be screened and approved by lender's committee, (d) for real property loans, must have a current 25 year or less mortgage for no more than 90% of the cost, (e) for machinery loans, current 12 year loan for no more than 80% of the machinery's cost. And I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"The Lady moves for passage of House Bill 2634. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, Shall House Bill 2634 pass?* All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting aye, none voting 'no', and none voting 'present". This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereb declared passed. House Bill 2654, Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2654, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois State Historical Library. Third Reading of the Eill."
"Representative Hastert."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 2654 is for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Library... Historical Library. I would be happy to answer any 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 128th Legislative Day questions."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2654. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." Dunn, J.: "What does this Bill do?"
"It funds the Illinois State Historical Library, which is housed under the old... Π Dunn, J.: "Are all the library groups in support of this and no opposition?"
"No opposition that I know of, Sir." Dunn, J.: "Okay, thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2654 pass?' The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."
"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker."
"Froceed."
"How much, above and beyond last year, is this budget?"
"It's an increase of 25.3%, and let me explain what my friend from the historical library told me, and this is for some photocopy equipment, some microfishe equipment and some additional Lincoln memorabilia paraphenalia."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2654 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 87 voting 'aye', 11 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On a Special Call dealing with appropriations for education matters, appears House Bill 2546, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2546, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Board of Education. Third Reading of the Bill." 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, House Bill 2546 is a Bill to provide for the expenses of the State Board of Education. As introduced, the Bill was for a total of $1,452,028,000. With the House Amendment, it is... was reduced to $1,205,912,000; 756,222,000 out of General Revenue Fund and the Common School Fund; 14,343,600 out of Drivers' Ed, and 453,347,000 out of the... out of federal funds. This is $82,000,000 more than the estimated expenditures in this fiscal year. The House Amendment fully funds the Special Education Private Tuition Program, the Special Education Orphanage Tuition Program, an orphanage housing program, provides for 92% proration of the district's claims for special ed transportation, special education extraordinary services, special ed personnel reimbursement, and regular and vocational transportation and school foods. In the words of Yogi Berra, 'It's never over till it's over'. I am not happy that we are at this level of funding, but we cannot responsibly really act on the Education appropriation Bill probably until the closing days of the Session. However, I would urge the Membership to go along and move this Bill and provide the necessary votes to get it out, and we will still work to provide as much funding for education as we can possibly do."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2546. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The position taken by the Sponsor of the Bill is a position in which I concur. This particular option provides 28 million additional dollars above the Governor's $27,000,000 per program. It's true this year, as it has been in the past. There aren't 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 enough... There aren't enough dollars to meet all of the demands. However, I believe, given the givens in terms of the revenue picture for this year, that the Appropriations Committee has done a fine job on this particular piece of legislation, and I would certainly urge all the Members to support this legislation, but in particular, I would urge the Members on this side of the aisle to support House Bill 2546 at its proposed level."
"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."
"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, it's my intent to vote present on this Bill. I agree that the Bill should move now, but my "present' vote will be in order to emphasize the fact that there is one big ineguity in the Bill that has not been addressed. I will assume that it will be addressed at a later point, but I think that it is grossly unfair for us to increase other line items and, at the same time, decrease the line item for personnel for special education purposes. And knowing that the issue has been raised and in confidence that it will be addressed somewhere later in the legislative process, I don't think it's wise that we hold the Fill from moving at this point, but I will vote present"."
"The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. All three of the regional superintendents of schools in my district have written to me and called me about a strenuous objection to a line item in this Bill. Many of you should reflect upon that. It has to do with the funding of computer consortiums. And this program was instituted last summer, whereby the Legislature had, in FY 83 and again in... FY 184. appropriated $500,000 on each occasion. An 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day additional $360,000 was put... of federal funding discretionary money was put with that in order to get the program off the ground. Ninety percent of all public school students are now benefitting by one of these computer consortiums, and all of the reports are that the program has been extremely successful and that the current appropriation in the Bill of half a million dollars is totally insufficient to perpetuate the current program. So, I would submit that the Bill needs to be amended one way or the other. We ought to either increase the appropriation to a point to allow the programs to continue, or we ought to delete the $500,000 that is appropriated by this Bill because it won't be useful, and it cannot continue the program. And for those reasons, I have to also vote 'present' on the Bill, and I would ask that any of you Members who have heard from your regional superintendents with regard to this issue consider the same until the Bill can be amended."
"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"He will."
"Representative Matijevich, a couple of questions I have, and one is on vocational education. A number of the community colleges in the area, particularly in Lake County, had come to me and asked about the vocational education support that the state will be giving but also the reimbursement or the assistance that we give to the local high schools that are the feeders for the community colleges. Is this being funded in your Bill at the level that they had talked to you originally?"
"It's being funded at the same level as the... this 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day fiscal year, Dick, and... "
"Same as what?"
"This fiscal year. May 31, 1984 In other words, it's not being increased nor decreased. I'm sure that doesn't make them happy, but given the funding or the revenue that we have, we, at this time, at least, decided that that's all we can do."
"No, they had show... expressed some concern about the funding that we were giving the locals, that we're sending their - in reimbursements - they were sending their students, then, to the vocational training centers, that if the locals weren't getting reimbursed, they just simply didn't send it to them, and we would have this vocational educational facility just standing empty, because no local school districts - the feeders - weren't sending their children and students to them. Are we giving or considering any additional support to the local high school districts to encourage them to take and avail themselves of these tremendous facilities we have, say, in Lake County?"
"I agree with you on the fact that we do have tremendous facilities, and I agree with you that we ought to utilize those facilities, especially when this is what we ought to be doing to improve our economy. However, the decision was made when House Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee that we had a problem with funding, and we had ought to provide certain categoricals at the same level as last fiscal year because of the shortfall. If... You know, if you would tell the... people back home and many of the education people that you are going to support an extension of the income tax surcharge, then that and other things can be done. But, because that decision was made, at this time, at least, until we find out all of our revenue picture, you know, in the closing days, this is 44 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 where we're at today."
"Alright. So it's held at the same level as last year on all of those."
"That's right."
"One other question, then, concerning funding. The Master Teachers Program, I think, is in this Bill also, and I haven't, from any of the educators, either from teachers or the administrators, really been very supportive too much in my area of the Master Teachers Program."
"Well, they'd be happy to know that that was deleted by Amendment #1."
"Fine. I wasn't sure. Thank you very much. One other question I have - and my last question - is the Teachers' Retirement System. Could you at least give us what percentage the funding will be for that?"
"Sixty percent."
"How much?"
"Sixty percent, which doesn't make me happy, either, but that's where we're at."
"Same as last year. Fine. Thank you very much."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Marzuki."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will support this Bill, get it out of the House and hope that John Matijevich can work some magic over it, because there is not enough funding for anyone in this Bill. We have heard speaker after speaker rise on various issues; but, when you look at the whole thing, we're simply not funding the most important activity in Illinois, which is education. I would hope that when the Senate Bills come over and this goes to Conference Committee, that every one of us will try to do better in funding education in the State of Illinois. It's a very difficult vote to make, to say yes to something 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 that's completely inadequate. I would hope that we will all work toward finding those monies that are necessary to support this properly."
"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative
Hastert. Hastert: "Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Certainly, we have before us today, an issue that is not only timely but a very talked about issue. In the last year and a half or two years, education has become a very politicized topic, and we've all either addressed it or pointed fingers in various directions. I think of the Bill that we have before us, sponsored by Representative Matijevich, has been the subject of a great deal of discussion, of debate and, yes, of a great deal of compromise. Now, whenever you compromise, nobody's happy, but we feel that it's a compromise at this time, that most people can live with. It's done well in the area of categoricals. They've taken all the Governor's new money, which was $27,000,000 and put it in the formula, and it's something that we've put several ideas together and come up with a workable compromise. Now, the other speakers have gone some other speakers have gone before and said, "It's not enough money". Well, when we talked to our superintendents and our teachers and, yes, even sometimes our students, maybe we need to put more money, but the research and the discussion and the debate that we've had and the economic forecast that we've had... is it with the economic situation that we have in the State of Illinois at this time and the projected income that we have in the State of Illinois at this time, there isn't any more money. And I would respectfully suggest if you want to put more dollars in this educational fund now, then we'd better find another type of a revenue function to fund it. And so, 46 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 with that thought in mind, I ask for your favorable support of the Bill that we have before us now in the shape that it's in. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you... Thank you, Madar Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Bill, not because it is necessarily the ideal Bill because it is not the ideal Bill, but as Representative Hastert pointed out very well, it does represent a compromise within the constraints that we have to operate under at the present time. Now, let me say to those of you who do have problems with it, the process is not over yet. I can virtually guarantee that there will be further changes made in the legislation. The Senate is talking about a figure that is significantly different from the figure in this Bill. That means the Senate will probably put some Amendments on, and the Bill will probably ultimately wind up in a Conference Committee. So, I'm happy to know what the sources of concern are, and I'm glad to hear then expressed on this floor. I would like to point out, though, if this Bill fails to pass, then there will not be a Senate hearing on the subject, and there will be no opportunity... further opportunity for the interested parties such as the computer consortia or the special ed people or anybody like that to come down to the Legislature to make their voices beard. I would say that those same groups that we're Dow hearing from did not testify in the Committee when it was in the House. I think, now that their attention has been gotten, SO to speak, that when the Bill gets over to the Senate, I think that we can safely assume that they'll be in the Senate to making their voices heard and that the Senate will take their wishes into account. And SO that we.... 47 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 The process is not over, and so I would urge that everyone support this legislation so we can move it along over to the Senate. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cock, Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, Shall the main question be put?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Matijevich, to close."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on the matter of the computer consortium, I receive the same letters as most of you have. We are providing the same number of funds for the computer consortium as we did in the last fiscal year as far as the General Revenue funds. The problem is that, like many other things, the Federal Government started these programs and then pull out and we lose federal funds. However, I am led to believe that that issue will be resolved in the Senate, hopefully. With regards to vocational funds, I don't think anybody has supported it more than, for example, myself and Jack Davis and Larry Stuffle. We've fought for vocational education funds, and we'll continue. All I can say is that I'm not happy that we're at this level of funding for education. We must do better. I think the Legislature is going to maintain education as its first priority in the future. It bothers me that we have slipped from near 50 percent level of funding in this state to now where we're at 37 percent. I think that we must work harder in the future, and we don't work harder for education by making education a political issue and by really taking advantage of kids and teachers who I think have had some very good programs. I think we resolved the problem by being optimistic toward 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 education because education is our mortgage on the future and I would urge that you support this Bill so we can move it along and work further to support education."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2546 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Levin, one minute to explain your vote."
"Madam Speaker, in explaining my 'present' vote, I had a question which I did not get a chance to ask. It's a question that I have been asking for several months now and that is with respect to special ed private tuition. The current level for this fiscal year is $12,972,000. The level in this Bill is about $500,000 less. Why are we reducing the level of special ed private tuition when the number of the kids is going up, yhe need is going up, the costs are going up? I'd like to get an answer to that question."
"Representative Dunn, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I talked to my teachers and retired teachers. Retired teachers wonder why we don't fund payouts at a hundred percent. Special ed people wonder why we make cuts and don't stand up for them. Vocational ed people wonder why they don't get more money. People want more computers in their schools. All the new money went into the formula and none of the new money went into the grants. I don't want to go back home and talk to the people that I have great sympathy for about this kind of legislation. If this General Assembly is unwilling to stand up, then they need to know. That's what this record indicates right now. I heard a lot of talk about this may not be the final measure, might not be the final decision on this Bill. But I caution you that it might be the final Bill. If the 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Senate passes this Bill the way it is, it will go to the Governor and you are on record for shortchanging special ed, voc ed, computers, special ed transportation. You are on record for shortchanging the Teachers Retirement Fund, and you are on record for going along with the Governor who provided fewer dollars of new money for education than at any time in history..."
"You only have one minute, Representative Dunn."
"...and you are on record for being... funding education at less than 38 percent. And we all know that Ralph Dunn passed that Amendment to provide for 51 percent of educational funding. And if you want to be on record for that, go right ahead. I don't. I'll have a good time campaigning, and I wish the rest of you luck."
"Representative Mulcahey, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Notwithstanding the political rhetoric we have been getting for the last few minutes about how we are trying SO hard and digging deep down inside to try to fund education, indeed, it's become a political football. And we know why it's become a political football. It's come from Washington, and it's come from the second floor. And come January of 1985, we are going to see all sorts of people rise to the occasion and be the heroes and rescue education, once we have proven ourselves. We can't find the money regardless how hard we try. Nonetheless, we find that... that the... we find that the Department of Transportation had an increase. We find that the Department of Public Health had a 5.6 percent increase. The Illinois State Historical Library, a plus 25 percent increase and so on and so forth. The Nuclear... Department of Nuclear Safety, 152 percent increase over last year's 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 budget. This is just not a priority to the Members of the General Assembly, I'm sorry to say, regardless of all the rhetoric that we put forth. We are making no attempt and I think we all know why. It's a political football from day one, and next January everybody's going to rise up and become heroes once the election is over."
"The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 90 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', and 16 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the... Representative Kirkland wants to be voted 'present', so there are 17 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Legislative Commissions, appears House Bill 2632, Representative Barnes. Clerk read the Bill."
"House Bill 2632, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to legislative commissions. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Daniels."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2632 in its present form appropriates $16,801,180 for legislative single study, single purpose commissions. I have taken over the sponsorship of this Bill, because I feel that it's important that this General Assembly pass a firm and strong message back to the people of Illinois that no longer will we, as Members of the General Assembly, accept or adopt inefficient, uneconomical and unaccountable system of government. I am asking you to join with me in opposing the passage of this Bill. I am hopeful, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that there will be 118 'no' votes on this Bill. I am hopeful that you will recognize what the people of Illinois are asking us, your elected Representatives, to do in Springfield. And that message is loud and clear. Clean up your own house when you expect 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 the public to clean up theirs. Ladies and Gentlemen, join me in voting 'no' on this legislation and defeating this appropriation of $16,800,000, a growth from FY '84...a growth from FY '84 of $1,800,000, and I might remind you that a vote for this Bill, a "yes" vote or a 'present' vote, is a vote for the pickle."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2632. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"No, the Gentleman will not yield for a question. Proceed, Representative Bowman."
"Well, okay. Then I just couldn't believe my ears that the Gentleman is the Sponsor of the Bill and urging defeat of his own legislation. I think it's this is political posturing; that he should just move to table his Bill. I'm sure we'd all be happy to accept that Motion. Why doesn't he move to table the Bill and cut out the debate?"
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2632 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Homer. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 1 voting 'aye', 108 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. Representative McAuliffe asks to be voted 'no'. Representative Rhem asks to be voted 'no'... to change his vote from 'aye' to 'no'. There are, therefore, none voting 'aye', 110 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. On that same Order of Business, but nonsubstantive Bills dealing with Commissions... nonappropriation Bills, I should say, dealing with commissions is House Bill 3128. It appears on page four on your Calendar. Representative Daniels." 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It was a dubious award of probably getting the most 'no' votes ever in the history of the General Assembly, but you did what was right, and I hope that we'll repeat this in the reverse order and do what's right once again on House Bill 3128. I have had a lot of people say to me during the last several months, when the House Republican Policy Committee started its report on commissions and started the investigation on commissions under the guidance of Representative Tom Ewing, the Chairman of the Committee, why, why are you asking that Illinois reform the commission system? Why are you saying that it's not a proper form of government under today's modern economy and today's modern system of government? Long, there has been great dissatisfaction with the system of commissions, not only on this side of the aisle, as most of us have opposed in the past, but also as I know on your side of the aisle, as many in the ten years that I have been here have talked to me about it. And, yes, when I came to the General Assembly ten years ago, the one thing I kept on hearing cver and over again is it's time for reform of that antiquated, bad system of commissions, single study commissions. And the Bill you just defeated of 16.8 million dollars is the perfect example of what we are talking about today in the Illinois General Assembly. 16.8 million was appropriated for FY '85, an increase of 1.8 million. Fortunately, the House has once again done the right thing. Fortunately, we will send a message to the Senate to also do the right thing. The House Republican Policy Committee studied the issue and prepared two reports, two reports under the Chairmanship of Tom Ewing and Representative Ryder and Jill Zwick, recommending strongly to you that we abolish the commission system as 53 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 it's known today for their abuses and the failings of this system. They found, in this report, duplication of effort, limited public accessibility, excessive contractual services, no proper legislative overview, travel abuse and inappropriate spending. The Bill we are now considering is implementing their recommendations. This Bill that you have before you now is a bipartisan proposal and fairly represents substantive contributions from the Leadership and Membership on both sides of the aisle in this chamber. And I want to quickly add my thanks to Speaker Madigan and his fine staff for working with us in order to bring to you this very important piece of legislation. Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the die has been cast. Enactment of this Bill will confirm our intentions to those who cling to the false hope that this, too, will pass. For this, too, will not pass. The people of Illinois are demanding more of you and of me every day in this Legislature because they have the right to expect that we comply to the demands of the citizens of Illinois. And I hear some of the shouts from some of the commission people over on the other side that favor the old system, and I want them to keep on talking because I want the people of Illinois to know how important it is that we get rid of commissions in this state. And we, as Republicans, will stand strong to demand reform in this system. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the plan we have before you right now is a plan important to the people of Illinois and we will stand strong in making sure that the people of Illinois hear our voice above the shouts of those people that love the commission system, that want to retain the patronage and spend wrongfully the money, the hard-earned money of the taxpayers of Illinois. Shout. Shout strong. I want your voices to try to defeat this Bill. This Bill... This Bill 54 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 sets up three divisions; a service unit, a research and policy analysis unit and a regulatory unit. It creates three advisory boards, the membership comprised of the chairmen and spokesmen of several commissions... committees rather. Those memberships of the committees, when appointed to their functions as chairmen of spokesmen of the committee, will serve in the role under the Executive Financial Review Advisory Board, Occupational Review Advisory Board and Rule-Making Advisory Board. This Bill will accomplish the desired result that the Speaker has joined with me in recommending to you, to abolish all legislative commissions, to increase visibility and accountability by creating a Legislative Service Bureau, to require regular reporting to increase accountability to you, as Members, and to the public in general, to restore stature and responsiblity to committees, to improve the structure of services to the General Assembly and to save, and above all and most important, to save between seven to nine million dollars in taxpayers fund. This system that we have had in the past is bad. This system has come now to be dominated by the good forces in government. We must get back to the basics. Form and function must serve the Members of the House, not force disfunction upon the system. Join with me in the passage of this Bill, and I am truly hopeful to have 118 'yes' votes. 'Yes' votes are the only votes that truly are calling for reform. Thank you."
"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3128, a Bill for an Act in relationship to boards and commissions. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 3128. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook,
Representative Ronan. Ronan: "Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. It's 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 very difficult, being a Member on this side of the aisle, to compete with one of the finest actors I've ever seen in the General Assembly. Here we are talking about reform. There's about as much reform in this piece of legislation as most of the trains that run through the Illinois General Assembly. I have been singled out by my colleagues in the General Assembly and by the representatives of the press as the most indicative Member of the commission system. I have participated in the commission system. I have worked hard in the commission system. And I think that a lot of good came out of the commission system. I think what we've got here is an overreaction. It's a public relations hype on the part of Leadership on both sides of the aisle. I think this Bill will go over to the Senate, and it's going to die. All I can say is that next year the... the commissions are going to be gone. I understand that and I think that the Hembers who serve on them understand it. If there were abuses that occurred under that system, they should have been done away with. If there were commissions that didn't do their job, they should have been abolished. If there were individuals who worked on commissions that didn't do their job, they should have been fired. However, next year, we'll see a situation where there will be a half a million dollars going to each Leader and that half a million dollars will be doled out. People will be hired and... and the process will go on. All I can say is that the press did their job. The Leadership did its job. And now we'll see what comes out of it. So, I will gladly vote for this fine piece of legislation."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm just thrilled to see that the Gentleman, the Sponsor from the other side of the 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 aisle, has finally caught on. In the past ten years, no less than four pieces of legislation have been proposed in regards to the elimination of commissions, the first starting with Doug Kane back in 1975. But, unfortunately... since I have been here. Unfortunately, none of those particular proposals say the light of day. So now we see the Leaders of both sides of the aisle get their heads together and come up with a proposal that's going to save the whole system. Well, I think maybe this is the step in the right direction. I don't think it's the entire answer, because there are many commissions that are good, many commissions that are worthwhile that should be maintained. But I think probably the assets outweigh the liabilities in this particular case, and I'm going to vote 'aye."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Huff."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think that this is a case that parallels a literary example of Dr. Jeckyl getting rid of Mr. Hyde; or, to put it more succinctly, this is nothing more than political posturing designed to give the image of reform. I wonder if there is any of us who really believe that this advisory commission, created by the other side of the aisle... what are we going to say when this appropriation equals, if not surpasses, the $16,000,000 that allocated to all the total commissions today. As I said, this is nothing more than political posturing designed to give a forward look but is really going nowhere."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Fill will probably pass. In fact, I'm sure it will pass overwhelmingly. But I think that someone does need to stand up and speak for the fine 57 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 work that has been done by some of the single study commissions; the Commission on Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities, the Commission on Children, the Commission on the Status of Women, the Legislative Advisory Committee on Public Aid and a number of others that have brought forth legislation that has saved the taxpayers money. But let me just cite a couple of things that lead me to vote 'present' on this Bill. First of all, it is a... only a part of a solution to the problem. It deals... reorganizes the service commissions, but it really leaves unanswered the question of what happens to the very legitimate objects of study that some of these other single purpose commissions have undertaken in the past. And to simply leave them to the committee system will not work for two reasons. First of all, we need a bicameral forum. These commissions are the only means by which we can prevent institutional grid lock between the House and the Senate on important issues. Also, these commissions do provide public input at the front end, when the Bills are being designed and crafted, because our committee system works after the fact, after the Bills are introduced, and I... I predict, Ladies and Gentlemen, if we do... if this Bill passes and becomes law, that we will take one more step towards becoming a full-time Legislature. It will put an additional burden on the committees and the subcommittees of both Houses. Each of us, in our own turn, will wind up being chairmen of committees and subcommittees and just like the Federal Congress, where they have as many committees and subcommittees as they have Members. That's the road that we are traveling down and, you know, I'm already a full-time Legislator, but I know a number of other people here cherish the idea of the... a citizen Legislature. I'm afraid that with this particular reform 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 measure, we will see the last of the citizen Legislature."
"The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Ryder."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is reform. This is not posturing. This is not political hype. It was a very careful study. There were hearings. Some of these commissions didn't even take the time to answer in person or in writing. And they are indicative of the system, not necessarily of their individual, single purposes but of the fact that the system is not accountable to any of us in the Legislature. I have faith in the Leaders, because we elect them. I have faith in their ability to be responsive to us, because they are responsive to us ultimately. In the event that we find that these people are not coming to the committees, further access, which I don't think will be the case, we have the opportunity to go to them. We had careful studies. We said what we were going to do. We had hearings and then we said what we found. And I have to compliment both sides of the aisle, particularly the Speaker and the Minority Leader, for having the courage to say this is not working. I encourage a favorable vote."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What has already previously been said, I just want to in some respects repeat, but the immediate previous speaker made the key remark. He said that some of the commissions didn't respond. That indicates that some of the commissions, indeed, did respond. And, as Representative Bowman has indicated, some of the commissions do an outstanding job. And if anyone here has had constituents who have had need of the services of the Commission on Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 As just one example, Dr. Margaret Hastings does an excellent job, as does her staff, in addressing concerns, both legislative and all types of concerns that people have in that area. And to wipe out that Commission is a disservice to the people of Illinois. Not a disservice, perhaps, to a television news commentator who did an expose. It's... Our reaction to it is throwing the baby out with the bath water. We are not getting rid of the bad commissions and doing that only. We are also cutting out the good, hard-working, meaningful commissions along with it, commissions, as Representative Bowman indicated, like the Commission on the Status of Women, like the Commission on Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities and others. And it is irresponsible of us to address a problem by throwing the good out with the bad. Unfortunately, it seems that that is what is going to be happening here, and I regret it."
"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."
"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the previous question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the previous question is put. Representative Madigan, to close."
"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, the issue has been very fully debated yesterday, discussed in party conferences yesterday and debated again today. For my part, my concern is with budgetary management of the current commission system. If you are involved at all with any of the current legislative study commissions, then you know that there are very serious budgetary management 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 problems with those commissions, that the problems are such that they demand that there be legislative action to at least try and change the system. Before you you have a proposal that would change the system. The proponents of this proposal, and I am one of the proponents, have argued that this will improve the system, that this will bring better budgetary management to the work of the Legislature and to the work of the functions that will be retained under the Bill. You may disagree with me, but I know from my experience that it's the easiest thing in the world as a Member of the Legislature to disagree, to nitpick and to say, Well this is wrong. It should have been something else, or it could have been done better this way or that way." Whatever you feel concerning the specifics of this proposal, you are required to сове back to the basic acknowledgement that there is a major, major problem major, major problem with legislative study commissions and you, as a Member of this Body, are under obligation to take some action during this Session of the General Assembly. If you feel there is a better way to do it, come forward with your idea. But I haven't seen too many people come forward with better ideas or even other ideas. This is a proposal. I happen to think it's a good proposal, and I would highly recommend your support for House Bil1 3128. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3128 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Representative Ropp, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the chamber. It has been stated that this is an attempt to throw the baby out with the bath water. I can assure you that on this particular issue, that's important, because we need a new conception of ideas. 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."
"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, if I were either Speaker Madigan or Minority Leader Daniels, I certainly would support this issue, because it does, in fact, concentrate the power in the Leadership of the House of Representatives and of the Senate. And it takes away from the Members some of the prerogative they have had in participating in these study issues. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that we are a Body of excess. We recognize the excess in leaving some commissions in place that were not appropriately doing their job, but I fail to realize how we can remedy that by going to excess in the opposite direction and abolishing even those that have proven to be good bodies that were helpful in our governmental process. And for that reason, I am proudly voting 'no'. I think the Senate Bill that is before us, Senate Bill 1850, is a better solution than the one we have before us today."
"Representative Vinson, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. What I think we just now heard is an argument that we ought to continue the abuses of the past. We just heard an argument to the effect that we ought not transfer control, transfer authority and create accountability because things have gone along alright in the past. Now, we know things haven't gone well in the past, and it's time for us to end the abuses of the past. And that's what the Lady ought to be thinking about, planning ahead for the future to make a better future for this Legislature."
"Representative Rea, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 House. I recognize there is a problem and that there needs to be reform, but I do not call this reform. I think this has been done in a haphazard way. I think that too often that we look at a problem, and then we say, 'This is the solution". We do not look at what causes it to be a problem. We do not look at how we can resolve it and how we can truly bring about reform by looking at what the various alternatives are and, as a result, then coming up with a good planning process and developing a sound plan. I do not feel that we have a sound plan here. We do have some commissions that are doing an excellent job, that have done an excellent job. We have some commissions that probably have not and some that have met their needs. These things we need to identify and correct them. But to do it in this manner, I think, is wrong. So, that is... is my reason for voting no."
"Representative Ewing, one minute to explain Ewing: your vote." "Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I probably, as much as anyone in this Body, have had the opportunity to look at this issue. This has not been done hastily. The program that you have before you has not been drafted hastily. Reform is not always without its pain. There are problems with reform, because we don't like to have change in our life, but there is good change involved in this proposal. And this proposal tries to meet the objections that speakers have raised today in opposition to this Bill. We are trying to provide the services that are necessary. The good services that have come from our commissions will be continued under this program. Let's get behind this. Let's make it work. We'll be here next year and the year after, and whatever changes are needed can be made. We will have the services that we've had in 63 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 the past, and we'll make it more serviceable and much more economical for this state."
"Representative Dunn, one minute to explain your vote." Dunn, J.: "Just to indicate to the media, that I'll be available after the vote. You can talk to me then. I won't take up the time of the House."
"The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 102 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no' and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Marzuki?"
"I wish to be recorded 'aye' on this measure, please."
"We have already taken the Roll Call, Representative Marzuki, but the record will reflect that you wish to be voted 'aye' on that Bill, House Bill 3128. On House Bills dealing with education appropriation matters we have House Bill 2547, Representative Stuffle. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2547, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Education. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Stuffle."
"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, I would rise to ask your support of the appropriation to fund the distributive formula of the Common School Fund and for the summer school grants that we also historically place in the same appropriation. I, like Representative Matijevich and others who have risen here today to speak upon the appropriations for the Common schools would clearly indicate to you that I am not happy with this appropriation, with it's level or necessarily with the distribution in the formula. We have, however, 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 painstakingly compromised to date to reach the level that's reflected in this Bill. That level is $1,459,000,000, an increase over last year's formula in summer school payments of only 19,000,000, which is a little over one percent. I, too, hope that we can find the wherewithall and the feeling to change this appropriation somewhere down the line, but I think it's the only game in town now. It's a Pill that we ought to move to the Senate. We ought to look for new money. We ought to look for a better distribution formula that protects particularly against the federal changes in Title I and the census formula. I, again, would ask your aye vote, not because it's the best of Bills, but it's the only Bill that we have with House sponsorship that's been through the process, that's been given a hearing. So I ask your aye vote to send this onto the Senate in the hopes that it returns to us in a Conference Committee, frankly, where we can do a better job of appropriating and a better job of expanding educational horizons. And I would close by simply saying, too, that there's been some misinformation on the floor that there's no new money except in the formula with regard to programatic appropriations. That's not the case. There is, indeed, some new money in the categorical aid program in 2546. There's 19,000,000 here. There's about 13... 30 million there rather. This Bill ought to go to the Senate, ought to have your full support and that is with the understanding that it's far from a perfect piece of legislation."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2547. And on that question, the Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I... I'm going to vote for and with Representative 65 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 Stuffle pursuant to his recommendation and the hard work that's gone into this education budget. But I just don't think it can go without being said. This state still falls woefully short of its responsibility to fully fund education. We have a duty under the Constitution of the State of Illinois to provide state aid sufficient to fully fund our schools. This Bill does not do that. In fact, this Bill is a continuation of a regular process of cutting back the level of state support for education, the level of state commitment to educating our young people. We cannot afford to continue this trend in which we go from 45 percent to 44 percent to 43 percent to 42 percent and now down into the 30's in terms of the degree and extent of state support for education. We cannot afford to continue this trend if we are to continue to have a viable state, if we are going to produce people or give people the opportunity not only to become literate, which is a first level of responsibility, but also to enter the job market. Illinois future rides on these kinds of formula budgets for education, and while again, I'm not in... I don't rise in opposition to this legislation, at the same time, I have to say that WE should all be very ashamed of this legislation and the form and the dollars that the State of Illinois is putting behind education at this time."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2547 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there ar 107 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Special call dealing with appropriations for law enforcement and the courts appears 66 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 House Bill 2631, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2631, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Local Government Law Enforcement Officers' Training Board. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2631 addresses the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers' Training Board budget. And it is approximately five million, nine hundred and seventy point six. The highlights: The grants in aids will increase 29.9 percent to provide reimbursement at 50 percent level for basic and regional training and 40 percent for specialized training. It will begin implementation of new training curriculum and administration of a comprehensive examination and expansion of regional training. It will include new equipment leases to maintain hardware compatibility with Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, new training initiatives, increase in travel and increase in three police training specialists."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2631. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2631 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 111 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2651, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2651, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 the Court of Claims. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2651 addresses the budget for the Court of Claims. It appropriates five million, four hundred and sixty-six point three dollars. The highlights are personal services increased five percent, contractual services, Xerox machine rental and incidental expenses, and the Judges are to be increased 19.8 percent."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2651. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."
"Question of the Sponsor, Madam Speaker."
"Proceed."
"How much of an increase is this over last year's budget, Representative Barnes?"
"Twenty-four percent."
"Twenty-four percent, and did you say there was an increase... there was a salary increase in there for Judges?"
"Yes, I did."
"How much of an increase in salary for the judges?"
"Nineteen point eight percent."
"Nineteen eight... So, they go from what to what? Oh, it doesn't make any difference. Nineteen percent."
"They just have the percentages and it is an increase."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Could the Sponsor yield?"
"Proceed."
"How many employees in this agency?"
"Approximately 40." 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"They request 43. They currently May 31, 1984 have 44. Is one getting terminated or has one left already?"
"They have not advised me of any change in head count since we heard this in Committee, Representative."
"Just a... How did they figure out that 19 percent increase?"
"It's in operations."
"And not personal services?"
"It's 21 percent increase in operations."
"And what do they schedule for the raises for the individuals working there on an average?"
"Five percent, the current level for all the other departments in state government."
"Five percent on the individual salaries, is that correct?"
"Right."
"I didn't hear you. Is it..."
"That's correct."
"So, employees salaries are five percent? Earlier it seemed to indicate that they were 19 percent, which was incorrect."
"That includes the incidental expenses, Representative. What I tried..."
"That's overall operations, right."
"What I try to do, though, is to let all the Representatives know what they are voting on rather than just skim through, perhaps, the top layer of what we are presenting."
"I agree with you and appreciate your candidness and certainly you articulate very well also... or candor, my Parliamentarian indicates. Thank you."
"What did he say?"
"The question is, Shall House Bill 2651 pass?" 69 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 85 voting 'aye', 18 voting 'no', and 8 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Hajority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2663, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2663, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Supreme Court. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2663 is the monies for the grants in aid for the Probation Division of the Administrative Office of the Illinois Courts in the amount of $9,156,539. I appreciate your support."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2663. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2663 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', and none voting present". This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2664, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2664, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Supreme Court. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Matijevich."
"House Bill 2664 appropriates $107,088,827 to the Supreme Court for the ordinary and contingent expenses of 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day the Judicial System. May 31, 1984 There's an increase over the last fiscal year. Total with that probation Bill we just passed and this one is 116 million. The estimated expenditure of this fiscal year, 101,429,000, but most of this are mandated salary increases. So, I appreciate your support of this Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2664. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2664 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2769, Representative Brummer. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2769, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Office of State Appellate Defender. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Brummer."
"Yes, this is... House Bill 2769 is the appropriation for the Office of the State Appellate Defender. The total appropriation is $4,394,000. That is an increase of approximately 23 percent from last year's level, designed to assist in expediting some of the appeals that are pending. It is at the level requested by the Illinois Supreme Court."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2769. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2769 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 89 voting 'aye", 18 voting "no", and one voting present. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2776, Representative Madigan. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2776, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Law Enforcement for the Illinois State Enforcement Agencies to Recover Children Program. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Leverenz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is the appropriation to implement the child recovery system for the state. There is $1,108,000 for the administration of the Program by the Illinois Department of Law Enforcement and $750,000 to grants of... grants to police agencies on the local level, and I ask for your 'aye" vote."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2776. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2776 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 103 voting 'aye', 7 voting 'no', and none voting present". This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On a Special Call dealing with Capital Development, appears House Bill 2739, Representative Curran. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2739, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the Capital Development Board. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Curran."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 2739 as amended 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 yesterday makes an appropriation for the Capital Development Board of $13,000,000 for the combined construction of the Department of Public Health, Department of Nuclear Safety and the Environmental Protection Agency at the SIU School of Medicine in Springfield. I ask for an 'aye vote."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2739. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2739 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 73 voting 'aye', 34 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2821, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2821, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, House Bill 2821 passed the Committee without a dissenting vote. In its present form, it appropriates $50,000 to CDE for testing services to identify and define construction, rehabilitation and repair needs. In all candor, there are sometimes legitimate reasons why we need a CD Bill alive, and this could be a vehicle if there is agreement that there is a need in the future. And I am passing it along for that purpose and appreciate your support."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2821. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson." 73 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Proceed."
"Representative, could this Bill be used as a vehicle for having the Capital Development Board involved in the Chicago World's Fair?"
"I'm not sure... you know, it could be used for many purposes, if there is agreement, Representative Vinson. I... You know, we are not going to move the Bill along if there isn't agreement. It could be used for a lot of purposes, all of which I think would, you know, have to be legitimate and moved along in the closing days when there is agreement on both sides of the aisle and both sides of the rotunda. Otherwise, ve are not going to move the Bill."
"This would be a new capital appropriation Bill?"
"That's correct."
"We just passed one, I believe, yesterday, didn't we?"
"Well, it's always nice to have a Democrat in the lead, too, you know. We work together, you know. We have so far, Sam. I don't think you've got a thing to worry about."
"Madam Speaker, to the Bill."
"Proceed."
"The Gentleman's intentions, I'm sure, are honorable. They always have been. He and I often do work together. In this particular case, I would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill because we did pass, out of the House, a new capital appropriation Bill for the CDB, and I suspect that we just might deal with this entire appropriations process in a more straightforward fashion throughout the Session if we just have one Bill for one purpose and if we don't have a variety of vehicles so that we can vote down Bills and vote 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 irresponsibly on Bills or load Bills up, whatever, because we know there is always another vehicle back there. So, in this particular case, despite the fact that I would absolutely trust the Gentleman's intentions, I would urge a 'no' vote, because I think it would incline us to be more self-disciplined in the process."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2821 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Matijevich, to close."
"Yes, in explaining my vote, I was upfront in what we are doing here, and I wouldn't have done this unless the staff has informed me... to me that this was in agreement on both sides of the aisle. We live by cur word here, and my word is good, as you know, Representative Vinson. And the staff on both sides of the aisle are aware of what this Bill is for... not yet what it may be for eventually, but that it is a vehicle Bill, and it is always good to keep vehicles alive. As I said, I was upfront and; therefore, I would urge the Members to vote 'aye'."
"Have all voted who wish? This Bill requires 60 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 59 voting 'aye', 48 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present'. Representative Brummer votes aye. There are, therefore, 60 voting 'aye', 48 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3028, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3028..."
"30... House Bill 3025,"
"House Bill 3025, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Secretary of State. Third Reading of 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 128th Legislative Day the Bill."
"Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 3025 appropriates eight million dollars from the Capital Development Fund to the Secretary of State for making public library grants as the State Librarian under the Illinois Library System Act as amended. We passed a companion bit of legislation out of the House last week. It was House Bill 2962. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call. I'll be happy to answer any questions."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3025. And on that question is there... The Lady from Cook, Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, would he yield for a question?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative Keane, is this the library Bill that was discussed in Committee where most of the money goes to the City of Chicago, like half of it, and very little goes to downstate?"
"This was the Bill that was discussed in Committee, which a number of Members on the Committee from your side of the aisle thought was very great because they had received grants under this Bill before. This is the same Bill which the Secretary of State, who is... I think is still a Republican, was in favor of during the Committee. Yes, that's the same Bill."
"Well, Representative, the Republican Members did not vote 'aye' on this Bill. I would just like the Membership to be aware of how the money is divided. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Yeah, is this Bill amended?"
"Representative Keane."
"No." 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984
"I don't see anything in the Bill that changes the allocation formula. Is that... that was just discussed. Is that existing statutory language at the present time?"
"The statutory... it was in the substantive Bill was 2962, which went out of here on the Short Debate Calendar last week."
"Oh, and then on the... with regard to the substance, what are downstate librarians" positions?"
"This is the same as before. The Bill provides for... the substantive Bill provides for a program of state construction grants for up to 25 percent of total construction of a public library. In addition, it also authorizes a special grant not to exceed 50 percent of the annual appropriation..."
"Yeah, I understand that."
"Well, let me... for... it's the Chicago Public Library State Research and Reference Center. So it is the state... it's a state... the library special grant would go to the State Research and Reference Center that's part of the state's system. I would also point out that these grants are under the control of the Secretary of State."
"Well, even so, I'll vote for it."
"The Gentleman from Hardin, Representative Winchester."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would like to point out to the Membership that the Economic and Fiscal Commission, which is a bipartisan commission composed of Members of this House and the Senate, has estimated that there would be a 9.4 million dollar interest cost for the sale of these bonds, and I think that everyone should take into consideration when they cast their vote for an $8,000,000 appropriation that our own arm of the House and the Senate, the Economic and 77 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 Fiscal Commission, has indicated a 9.4 million dollar interest cost."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey. The Gentleman indicates he does not seek recognition. The Gentleman, Representative Keane, to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill funds House Bill 2962 which, as I mentioned earlier, passed out of this Body on the Short Debate Calendar last week. The $8,000,000 is under the control of the Secretary of State in his capacity as librarian. The Secretary of State informed... has informed me through his lobbyist that he is in favor of this. The Library Association is in favor of this. The funds can be adjusted by the Secretary of State through the award of grants. He doesn't have to award 8,000,000. In terms of the bonding, the fact that we do this by bonding and the economic and fiscal report indicates, in addition to the 8,000,000, what the cost of bonding would be. If we are going to attach the cost of bonding to any Bill, that's fine, but the fact that we are... we figure the interest costs in, as one Gentleman mentioned, I think bears very little, if any, relationship to the value of the program. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3025 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This Bill requires 60 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Homer. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"
"Give you a legitimate opportunity to delay a little longer taking the record in order to request a verification 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day should it get the requisite number of votes." May 31, 1984
"The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 59 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. Representative Keane asks for a Poll of the Absentees."
"Poll of the Absentees. Berrios. Capparelli. DeJaegher. Krska. Neff. W. Peterson. And Terzich."
"Does anyone else wish to change his or her vote? Representative Saltsman votes 'aye'. This Bill has 50 voting 'aye', 60 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. Representative Vinson asks... Representative McCracken asks to go from 'aye' to 'no'. There are, therefore, only 59 voting 'aye'. Representative Slape votes 'aye'. There are, therefore, 60 voting 'aye'. Proceed with the verification, Mr. Clerk. Excuse me. Representative Matijevich asks leave to be verified. Representative Greiman asks leave to be verified. Representative Brookins asks leave to be verified. Would you poll the affirmative, Mr. Clerk?"
"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brunsvold. Bullock. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DiPrima."
"Giorgi has leave to be verified. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."
"Domico. Doyle. John Dunn. Farley. Flinn."
"Representative Braun, for what reason do you rise?"
"Leave to be verified, Madam Speaker."
"Representative Braun, leave to be verified."
"Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Huff. Jaffe. Keane. Kulas. Laurino. Leflore. Leverenz. Levin. Markette. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McPike. Nash. O'Connell. 79 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Panayotovich. Pierce. Preston." May 31, 1984
"Representative Nash asks leave to be verified."
"Rea. Bhem."
"Representative Younge asks leave to be verified, Representative Vinson. That's okay. Representative McNamara asks leave to be verified."
"Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slape. Steczo. Taylor. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. White. Wolf. Younge. McNamara. And Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Peterson, for what reason do you rise?"
"Madam Speaker, record me as 'no', please."
"Record Representative Feterson as voting 'no'. Representative Vinson, do you have any questions of the Affirmative Boll?"
"Yes, Madam Speaker. Representative Dunn. John Dunn."
"John Dunn. The Gentleman is here."
"Representative Farley."
"Representative Farley. Representative Farley. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him."
"Mr. Hannig."
"Representative Hannig is in his chair."
"Mr. Leverenz."
"Representative Leverenz. The Gentleman is in the chamber."
"I beg your pardon?"
"The Gentleman is in the chamber."
"Representative Panayotovich."
"Representative Panayotovich. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."
"Representative Richmond."
"Representative Richmond is in the chamber." 80 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"Representative Stuffle." May 31, 1984
"Representative Stuffle. The Gentleman is in the chamber."
"Representative Taylor."
"Representative Taylor. The Gentleman is not in Vinson: the chamber. Remove him." "Representative Wolf."
"Representative Wolf is in the chamber."
"Representative Bullock."
"Representative Bullock. The Gentleman is not Vinson: in the chamber. Remove him." "Representative Domico."
"Representative Domico is not in the chamber. Remove him."
"Representative Hicks." Speaker Breslin: chamber."
"He is?" "Representative Hicks. The Gentleman is in the
"Yes, he is."
"Oh, thank you. No further questions."
"What is the Call... the count, rather, Mr. Clerk? Representative White asks leave to be verified. On this question there are 55 voting aye', 50 voting "no", and 2 voting present". This Bill, having failed to received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. House Bill 3071, Representative Madigan. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3071, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Capital Development Board for repairs. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Bepresentative Leverenz."
"Thank you. Madam Speaker. On House Bill 3071, would appropriate 173,005 from the General Revenue Fund to the 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Capital Development Board for the repairs to the Near North Career Magnet High School. The Governcr has recently given his approval for the appropriation, and I would ask everyone seated with us here today to vote green."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3071. And on that guestion the Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, can you tell me what the address of this particular school is? I have been searching for that information for the better part of the week."
"Chicago."
"No, I mean where in Chicago?"
"It's on North Larabee Avenue. Representative White probably has the exact numbers."
"1450 Larabee. Does that sound correct?"
"Yeah, I think it was by the old Sibbons Gardens which was torn down on Larabee. I used to go there to the beer garden, but the school might be right on that exact site at this point in time. But do you have the answer to the question?"
"Yeah, I just received a note and it looks like 1450 Larabee, and that's all I wanted to know."
"We would be very happy to their non-for-profit organization to receive your check for their building fund also. Thank you, Sir."
"I beg your pardon?"
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative White."
"If he had some questions pertaining to the school, I was going to respond."
"The question is, Shall House Bill 3071 pass?" 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 All those in favor vote aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 89 voting 'aye, 18 voting 'no', and 1 voting present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will have two short, very short, introductions. Representative Hays in the Chair."
"Ladies and Gentleman of the House, it's my distinct pleasure, once again, to introduce to you the Quincy Notre Dame Lady Raiders, Class A basketball champions of this past year. This is the second year that they have repeated this in a TOW and without further ado, I would ask the Clerk to read the Resolution."
"House Joint Resolution. Whereas, the Quincy Notre Da me Lady Raiders HON the Illinois State Class A BasketBall Championship for the 1983-1984 season, becoming the first girls' team ever to successfully defend the State Championship from the previous season; and whereas, on their way to the top, the Lady Raiders accomplished many goals, such as becoming championships of the Greater Midwestern Conference, the Beardstown Tournament, the Quincy Notre Dame Regional and the Meredosia Sectional; and whereas, the Lady Raiders, under the respected coaching of new head coach, Jim Shields, averaged 74 points per game, while allowing only 44 points to opposing teams, and earned a season record of 30 wins and two losses and a conference record of 8 wins and 0 losses; and whereas, there were several individual honors awarded to players of the Lady Raiders team, including those being named 'All Tournament' at both Beardstown and Camp Point Central: Susan Wellman, Lori Vogel and Becky Winking, outstanding player of the Camp Point Central Tournament; Susan Wellman, First Team 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Selection at State Finals; Susan Wellman and Lori Vogel, Second Tean Selection at State Finals; Becky Winking and Jane Duesterhaus, All Conference Selection of the Greater Midwestern Conference; Susan Bellman, Lori Vogel and Becky Winking; and Special Mention All State, Susan Wellman and Lori Vogel; and whereas, the Quincy Notre Dame Lady Raiders Tean is being of seniors Susan Wellman, Lori Vogel, Teri Glanzman, Becky Winking, Theresa Venvertloh, Stacy Doellman and Dorothy Grawe and juniors Peggy Wolf, Jane Duesterhaus and Ellen Venvertloh and sophmores Annette Speckhart, Jane Laird, Cindi Peter and Kim Reagan and freshmen Rhonda Hinkamper and Sherri Winking, and coached by Jim Shields and Cathy Fetter. Therefore, be it resolved by the Senate of the 83... the House of the 83rd General Assembly, the Senate concurring herein, that we extend our hearty congratulations to Coach Jim Shields and the State Championship Quincy Notre Dame Lady Raiders and that we recognize their hard work, mature and determination and that into their outstanding season. And be it further resolved that suitable copies of this Freamble and Resolution be prepared so that they may be presented to each player, coaches on their visit to Springfield."
"Alright, the Chair would like to recognize Representative from Effingham, Bich Brummer."
"Yes, I would simply like to advise the team, as a graduate of Teutopolis High School, who I think they have heard of in the last two years. They bounced them out of the tournaments both times - this last time in the Championship in an overtime - congratulations."
"At this time, I would like to present to you the rookie coach for the Notre Dame Lady Raiders, Coach Jim Shields."
"Thank you very much for the opportunity to recognize this fine basketball team. It's a pleasure for 84 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 us to be here and I'm certain this will be a memory in their lives as well as mine. Thank you."
"I would also like to thank you, the Body, for being so courteous to us. Seems we come here at least once a year on one or another sport and thank you very much for being so courteous."
"On the Order of Appropriations for... Representative Hicks, did you have an introduction also?"
"Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it's a great pleasure for me at this time to introduce the Class A High School Basketball Champions from my district, the McLeansboro Foxes, from McLeansboro, Illinois. They finished this year with a record of 35 wins and no losses. I'd like for you to meet the players and the coaches and the cheerleaders of the McLeansboro Foxes. First, I'd like to introduce to you David Lee, the coach of the McLeansboro team - also was awarded the honor of being the Coach of the Year for 1984 for the High School Association of Illinois. Coach Dave Lee. Dave, you like to say a word or two?"
"Thank you, Larry. It is our pleasure to be here and to represent Hamilton County and McLeansboro. It's a great honor for us to come up here. We did have lunch with the Governor. He showed us a great time. And to come over here. It seems like you are all very busy, so we don't want to take too much of your time. I know you are doing a lot of exciting work. We keep up with you in Hamilton County, so make sure you keep things coming south. We really appreciate it. Especially get more money back into education. That's where we need it. That's right. Thank you very much."
"Thank you, Dave, very much. I'd also like to introduce one of the players, Brian Sloane, who this year was chosen as Mr. Basketball of Illinois. He was chosen as the 85 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 number one basketball player by the sportswriter, the Coaches Association of the Chicago Tribune as "Mr. Basketball State of Illinois. Brian, come up."
"Thank you. On behalf of the McLeansboro Foxes, I'd like to thank the Legislature and the Governor for inviting us down to Springfield for this day. It's been a very memorable day for me and all the rest of the ballplayers on the team. Thank you very much."
"Now you know how short I really am. Thank you very much. It is a great pleasure for me to have these gentlemen down here. A record of 35 and 0 this year, I give you the McLeansboro Foxes. Thank you very much. Okay, this is our cheerleaders right here. Make sure I can introduce them. Lisa Schneider right here, Tammy Hot, right here, Jan Drone, Nicole Vanzan, Jan Drone, Brian Ingram, Darla Little and Carman Hot. I got the wrong name right here. What was it? Julie Drone, right here, right."
"Ladies and Gentleman, on the Order of Appropriations for Regulatory Agencies appears House Bill 2530, Representative Olson. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2530, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the State Board of Flections. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Olson."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2530 is the appropriation for Fiscal '85 for the State Board of Election. It appropriates $4,496,112. In essence, this includes a 5.7 increase over Fiscal '84 budget. We have one less employee, two new areas of responsibility, including a research library in the amount of $56,350 as the result of a Public Act last year, and an election reform group which is the essence of... out of 1301, Senate, last year in the amount of 86 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 $100,000. I move for the passage of House Bill 2530 and be happy to respond to any questions."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 2530. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall House Bill 2530 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 105 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2626, Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2626, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Children and Family Services. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Hastert."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2626 does provide for the Fiscal Year 1985 appropriation for the Department of Children and Family Services. The overall increase is an 8.6 percent increase with a 9.1 GBF increase. Happy to answer any questions."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2626. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, Shall House Bill 2626 pass? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 107 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2640, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill." 87 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"House Bill 2640, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Revenue. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2640 deals with the budget for the Department of Revenue and the appropriation is approximately $1,000,506,658.8, and some of the highlights of the budget is the move to the new facility, the implementation of the STEP program, the funding for new and replacement of automobiles, some grant programs, new bonus compensation programs and Lottery prize money."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2640. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House...' The Gentleman from Cook Representative Leverenz."
"The Sponsor... The Sponsor yield to a question?"
"She will yield for a question."
"Do you know the nickname of the new sculpture at the Willard Ice Center?"
"Moby Dick."
"I just want everybody... Well, you have now won the raffle. I want everybody in the world to know how much also it costs to acquire that statue that sits in the atrium. Do you know how much that costs to acquire?"
"It's part of the arts program, and it's $150,000."
"$150,000. Well, it sits in the new Revenue Center, and I just thought everyone should know that. How many new jobs does this budget include now? We need a number of positions for people that are in commissions that will be pinked slipped in the next 30 days."
"Approximately 62 jobs, but they needed some of the new jobs for the Stop Tax Evasion Program." 88 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"That's only one part. What's the total?"
"62 new jobs as amended." May 31, 1984
"My analysis shows 164 minus the 37 that we cut, so that that would be higher than what you have indicated? Do we have a better figure than that?"
"We had 107 new positions to start with."
"You had 110 in Revenue. You had 54 new jobs requested in the Lottery, which is 164. We eliminated 37."
"We separated the Lottery."
"As well it should be. But total new jobs then in Revenue and lottery for the total agency which is contained in this Bill would be what number of new positions?"
"Do you have any further questions?"
"I'm waiting for an answer."
"36 positions in the Lottery Division."
"How many total new jobs in this budget? Answer is 120..."
"116."
"127 new positions in this budget. Now, what is the increase over the previous year totally to this agency of state government in percentage... the percentage of increase?"
"If you include the Lottery, it's a decrease of $12,000,083.3."
"There would be a reduction if you used the reduced figure from the original request. The request, is it not true, that it is up three percent from the prior year after Second Reading, the Amendments? The answer is yes. And the percentage of increase in pay raise for the employees averages what percent?"
"I would assume it is the five percent."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Dunn, J.: "What assignments are going to be given to these new employees, whether it's 107, 116, 1212"
"Well, part of... part of it, Representative Dunn, is to enforce the Stop Tax Evasion Program, better known as the STEP program." Dunn, J.: "And what other functions will they perform?"
"Pardon me?" Dunn, J.: "What other functions will the employees in these new positions perform?"
"Well, tax processing. But the enforcement of these positions will allow formation of specialized units, and they will be focusing on the sales tax, the cigarette tax, the motor fuel tax, the Lottery and the bingo and special projects." Dunn, J.: "Are they all in enforcement then?"
"Not all of them, but the majority of the positions are allocated for that type of..." Dunn, J.: "Are there any employees going to be working on the processing of tax returns? New employees."
"Yes, tax processing, and some of these fraud agents, the resident offices will be expanded with additional..." Dunn, J.: "How many people? I understand there will be two people added to the staff for the processing of tax returns. Is that correct?"
"That is correct." Dunn, J.: "Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to this appropriation. I would just like to call attention to the Members that I bet your people back home feel the same as mine, particularly the small business people who come to my legislative district office every day of the week and ask for help in the processing of an income tax return due them from the State of Illinois. And those complaints have been going on for a matter of years. Attention was called 90 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 to this matter, I think as far back as 1981, and representations were made that the cash flow back in the form of refunds to taxpayers would be back to normal by December of 1981. Anyone who is a Member of the General Assembly knows that that didn't happen. The Governor indicated in 1982 that we could see the end of this coming, and again in 1983. People in my district are still calling me and asking, 'Why can't I get my income tax return promptly?' If we're going to put up a monument over here on Jefferson, and if we're going to put expensive statues in it, and if we're going to hire all kinds of people to go out on enforcement programs, it locks like we... And also, of course, we're going to quickly make criminals of those who... who bounce the check to pay the taxes. If we're going to do all of these things, we probably ought to get money back promptly to those who are entitled to refunds. We haven't been doing that, and I don't see anything in this appropriation that's really going to alleviate that problem. So, I would urge the Members to grind to a hault on this appropriation until we get an answer for our people back home about when they can expect their refunds to be paid and to have assurance that they will be paid promptly to them."
"There being no further discussion, the Lady from Cook, Representative Barnes, to close."
"Well, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House and Madam Speaker, I think it's also very, very important to have the implementation of the this Stop Tax Evasion Program, because it's going to generate more dollars for the State of Illinois. I know in my district, we have people that volunteer and go over to the senior citizen centers to help the seniors free of charge for any help that they need in processing. So, for that reason, I would ask an 'aye' vote 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day on this. question." May 31, 1984
"The question is 'Shall House Bill 2640 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 87 voting 'aye', 15 voting 'no' and 6 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2642, Representative Barnes. Clerk read the Bill."
"House Bill 2642."
"Representative Oblinger, for what reason do you rise?"
"As a point of personal privilege. May I introduce Mr. Kenneth Holland, who was a prior Director of the Department on Aging, who is visiting us from Florida? Right over here."
"That is against our rules, Representative Oblinger. Representative Barnes, on the Bill."
"House Bill 2642, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Registration and Education. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2642 has to do with the Department of Registration and Education appropriation. It appropriates $8,747,300,000 as amended for the ordinary and contingent expenses, and this appropriation is a one percent increase over the Fiscal Year '84."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2642. And on that question is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Give us a guesstimate on the number of new positions 92 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 in R & E. Better yet, would the Sponsor yield?"
"The Sponsor will yield for a question."
"The number of new positions in your budget?"
"Six."
"Percent of increase over last year for the agency?"
"One percent."
"And salary increases generally will average what?"
"They would average 5%."
"Thank you."
"The question is 'Shall House Bill 2642 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2644, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2644, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Labor. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Do you wish to bring this Bill back to the Order of Second? The Lady asks leave to bring this Bill back to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Lady has leave. This Bill is on Second Reading. Please read the Amendment."
"Amendment #7, Leverenz - Oblinger."
"Representative Leverenz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #7 to 2644 would provide the dollars necessary to implement the Health and Safety Act that recently passed the General Assembly. It would appropriate $903,800. There is a good possibility, should the Federal Government approve the program, that we 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 are about to start up for the state that in the future we would see a 50% reimbursement from the Federal Government. I'd move for the adoption of Amendment #7."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #7 to House Bill 2644. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall Amendment #7 to House Bill 2644 be adopted?' All... You have to turn on your light, Representative Mays, in order to speak. Representative Mays, on the question."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of this Amendment. I raised my initial concern on the substantive Bill when we were addressing it. My feeling at that point was we already had the statutory authority on the books. We just needed to fund it. I think this is a very good step forward, and I'm hopeful that we will see a bulk of these funds recouped after we receive approval from the Department of Labor. So I rise in support of this Amendment."
"The question is 'Shall Amendment #7 to House Bill 2644 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The Lady asks leave for immediate consideration of House Bill 2644 are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Lady has leave. Third Reading. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 2644, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Labor. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House 94 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Bill 2644 has to do with the Bureau of Employment Security within the Department of Labo1. And they are going to be using GRF funds to pay most of the unemployment insurance cost owed to the Federal Government and the external restructuring at cabinet level Department by Executive Order #2 of the Bureau of Employment Security and internal reorganization."
"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 2644. And on that question is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Representative Barnes, how many new positions are we placing in this appropriation?"
"Staff informs 亚仓 that it's a little difficult to determine since that is determined by federal."
"With that Amendment that we just put in 30 and then there was a couple of hundred in employment security isn't there?"
"Well thirty... The Amendment that was just passed were 31."
"And there's about another 176 of DEW employees requested under the Bureau of Employment Security which is also in this appropriation, isn't it?"
"That's an estimate."
"So there's basically, you know, pretty close to well 274 - 275 new positions right?"
"Right, but 176 of them are federally funded."
"Yes, these are the... These appropriations are very interesting because this is... these are the ones that are reducing government in doing all those good things. I just wanted to know what the numbers were."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey." 95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"Question of the Sponsor."
"She will yield for a guestion." May 31, 1984
"Again what percent increase is this over last year's budget?" Barnes: #10.2% total."
"A total of 10.2. Thank you."
"The question is Shall House Bill 2644 pass?" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 106 voting "aye', 2 voting #no" and 1 voting 'present. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative McPike, for the purposes McPike: of a Motion." House. I "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the move to waive the posting requirements for all Senate Bills so that they can be heard in Committee next week. further nove to waive the requirement that the Bills be printed prior to posting with the understanding that no Bill will be heard in Committee next week unless it is printed." I
"The Clerk advises us that all of the Bills have been printed. Are there any objections to the Gentleman's Motion? Representative Vinson."
"No, I would just support the Nation SO that We can deliberately get on with the process next week and not delay it."
"On the Motion, all those in favor sa y 'aye", all those opposed say 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Notion carries. Back on the Order of Appropriation Bills - Regulatory Agencies, appears Rouse Bill 2648, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill." 96 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
May 31, 1984 "House Bill 2648, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Commerce Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2648 has to do with the Illinois Commerce Commission budget. It is approximately thirteen million six hundred and seventy four point five dollars which is an 8.3% difference. There was a small increase in personnel. The total number of positions would rise from 340 to 348 which is an increase of 2.4%. And in addition to the budgeted appropriation amount, the Commission is scheduled to receive in Fiscal Year '85 a one time grant of $275,000 from the Federal Government. This grant, which is derived from petroleum violation fines, is the explanation of it."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 2648. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall House Bill 2648 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2655, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2655, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Industrial Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House House Bill 2655 has to do with the Industrial Commission budget, and it is four point six five eight point eight and the 97 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day change is a 2.4% change over last year. May 31, 1984 And some of the highlights are the employers workers' compensation insurance coverage. The Commission has requested a reduction in staff, and there are no salary increases for the Commission arbitrators. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2655. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall House Bill 2655 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 104 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2659, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2659, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations of the State Board of Elections. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Leverenz, do you wish to have this Bill amended? The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Gentleman has leave. Second Reading. Please read the Amendment."
"Amendment #4, Leverenz, amends House Bill 2659 as amended."
"Representative Leverenz."
"Yes, the Amendment would provide a $6,000 appropriation for a court-ordered payout due to a congressional redistricting question that was resolved in the courts. I would ask for the adoption of the Amendment." 98 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
May 31, 1984 "The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bil1 2659. And on that question is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 2659 be adopted?* All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say 'nay". And in the opinion of the chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The Gentleman asks leave for immediate consideration of House Bill 2659 is there any objection? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave. Third Reading. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 2659, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations to the State Board of Elections. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Bepresentative Leverenz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Now We have just added 6,000 to the Bill. The original Bill appropriated $133,375 to the State Board of Elections. We made a minor Amendment for the coalition for political honesty of a $1,000, and these are all court-ordered payouts. And I would ask for your aye vote."
"The Gentleman is moving for passage of House Bill 2655. And on that question... excuse me, House Bill 2659. And on that question the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Įsic - Madam) Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In Amendment #1 there is a payment of some attorneys fees. Which party did the attorneys represent? Who will be paid?"
"The party to be paid is Sunshine, Carlin, Nathan, Rosenthal in Chicago. They represented the Coalition for Political Honesty." 99 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day Dunn, J.: "The what?"
May 31, 1984 "The... let me get my words closer together for you, Representative Dunn, and your seatmate. The Coalition for Political Honesty." Dunn, J.: "Well, I thought that's what you said. So this Bill pays them some money. I just thought the Members ought to know that."
"No, it does not pay them any money." Dunn, J.: "It pays their attorneys some money. Thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative... Representative McAuliffe, on the question."
"I'd like to ask the Sponsor a question."
"He indicates he will yield to a question."
"Does this, in fact, pay any bills for the Coalition for Political Honesty? A misnomer if I'd ever heard one."
"I'm going to give you an instant replay, Sir. Yes."
"Well I'd very much be opposed to this Bill. The Coalition for Political Honesty is one of the phoniest groups in the state. I wouldn't vote to appropriate a nickel to them."
"The Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Brummer: Effingham, Representative Brummer." "Yes, I'm not... I certainly don't stand up as a fan for the Coalition for Political Honesty. Could you give us the background regarding the payment of those attorney fees though?"
"Would the Gentleman restate his question?"
"What is the background of the proposal to pay the attorney fees for the Coalition for Political Honesty?"
"The background is that it's a 1,035 I understand to... and a law firm, to represent them in a case." 100 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
May 31, 1984 "And... And was this pursuant to a court order?"
"I believe so. I said that earlier."
"Well excuse me for not hearing you earlier. I didn't..."
"That's okay. I tried to mumble very..."
"What was the federal... what was the litigation which gave rise to this Federal Court order, ordering the payment of this attorney fees?"
"Now are you back to Amendment #42"
"I'm back to the..."
"That's a Federal Court order."
"I'm back to the Federal Court order which ordered the payment of attorney fees for the Coalition for Political Honesty."
"The court ordered Section 28.3 of the Election Code unconstitutional."
"And I'm not acquainted with it by that citation in any way."
"Then I ask you to look it up."
"No, I would like to know what it's about. Why was there litigation? What was the litigation in which the Coalition for Political Honesty was involved in which gave rise to these attorney fees?"
"That had to do with every signature on a page on a petition had to come from the same jurisdiction."
"And they..."
"And the State Board of Elections threw them off."
"I'm sorry, I didn't hear that."
"The State Board of Elections put them off the ballot, I understand, and they took it to the courts to get back on."
"And they won and the court ordered the Board to pay the attorney fees." 101 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"Now you have it very suscinctly, and correct." May 31, 1984 you are now
"Well thank you, I didn't realize the questions were that difficult."
"Well it was coming from you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative DiPrima. Representative DiPrima."
"Yeah. Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Pat Quinn, he threw this House into a turmoil when he knocked out the other 59 Members, you know, where before we had some minority representation. Like before Elmer Conti handled the Republicans in the district, and I handled the Democrats. Now I got to handle both sides. I've got to help the suburbs and try to help the city. Being a city man, you know, it makes it a little rough for me at times where I won't be able to support the suburban districts in my district. And now he's coming up with some new gadget. I don't know. Well, you know how our Committees are operating now. You go there at times you have to wait while the Commitee Members come back from another Committee where they got their own Bills. The Committee, the legislative process is in shambles, and, boy, I wouldn't do nothing at all for this Quinn. He's a rat."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."
"I move the previous question, Madam Speaker."
"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Leverenz, to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Interesting that Representative DiPrima's old and new district both included suburban and city sections. So 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 he'll get a little wired in as it gets closer, and certainly I hope he does not have to go before the Board of Tax Appeals with any case out of his ward in the near future. And these are court-ordered things. I understand how you feel. Representative DiPrima knew about Mr. Quinn very early on in 1974 when he worked in his Legislative 18th District at that time and gave him a real scare. So I'd ask for your 'aye' vote; and, for Representative McAuliffe, we would solicit your red vote on this Bill. So that we can pass it. Thank you."
"The question is 'Shall House Bill 2659 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Countryman, to explain his vote."
"Madam Speaker, I have a conflict of interest and that's why I'm voting 'present'. I'm a defendant in these cases."
"Have all voted who wish? This Bill requires 60 votes for passage. Representative Leverenz, one minute to explain your vote."
"Perhaps I should just take one minute of silence. I often said we'll pass no Bill before its time, but we may as well pass this one because it could probably be amended into something else that had to pass. And I'm desiring to get to the Illinois Department of Transportation's budget which is up very soon and this will help me understand how to vote." on
"Representative McAuliffe, you have already spoken in debate you would therefore..."
"And you're going to pay more interest the longer it goes on, so let's go."
"Unless you have a point of order you cannot be recognized." 103 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"Personal privilege. My name was mentioned in debate by Representative..."
"State your point."
"Well, I just wanted to say that Larry DiFrima usually doesn't make an understatement, but when he called Pat Quinn a rat that was the supreme understatement of the year."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 55... 58 voting 'aye, 36 voting 'no' and 11 voting "present". The Gentleman asks for a Poll of the Absentees. Is there anyone who would like to be added to the Roll Call? Representative Christensen goes from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Brunsvold goes from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative McAuliffe?"
"I'm going to ask for a verification if this gets 60 votes."
"Representative Earger goes from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Wolf goes from 'present' to 'aye'. There are, therefore, 60 voting 'aye'. Poll the absentees, Mr. Clerk."
"Alexander. Berrios. Braun. Brookins. Bullock. Capparelli. Doyle. Hallock. Krska. Markette. Neff. Taylor. Terzich."
"Hould you poll the affirmative, Mr. Clerk?"
"Bowman. Breslin. Brummer. Brunsvold. Christensen."
"Bowman asks leave to be verified. Representative McAuliffe, the Gentleman has leave."
"Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Daniels. Davis. DeJaegher. Didrickson. Domico. Farley. Flinn. Dwight Friedrich. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. 104 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 Hoffman. Homer. Huff. Jaffe. Johnson. Keane. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. Mays. McCracken. McGann. NcFike. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. W. Peterson. Pierce. Preston. Rea. Rhem. Richmond. Ronan. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Tate. Tuerk. Turner. Vinson. Vitek. White. Wolf. McNamara. And Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Saltsman asks leave to go from 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Slape changes his vote from 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Rice changes... Representative Rice goes from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Markette goes from... asks to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Representative Davis asks to be recorded from 'yes' to 'no'. Representative Dwight Friedrich goes from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Younge, did you seek recognition? What is the count, Mr. Clerk?"
"There are 62 voting 'aye' and 32 voting 'no'. Representative McCracken has decided to go from 'aye' to 'no', and Representative Peterson has decided to go from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you rise? We now have 60 voting 'aye'."
"Oh, thank you."
"Representative McAuliffe, do you have any questions of the Affirmative Roll Call?"
"Madam Speaker, Representative Terzich?"
"Representative Terzich? The Gentleman is not in the chamber remove him. The Gentleman is not voting. Excuse me."
"Representative Giorgi?"
"Representative Giorgi is not in the chamber. Remove him."
"Representative Capparelli?"
"Representative Capparelli is not voting." 105 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"Representative Berrios?" May 31, 1984
"Representative Berrios is not voting."
"Representative Bullock?"
"Representative Bullock? The Gentleman is not voting, Sir."
"Representative Johnson?"
"Representative Johnson? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him."
"Representative Pierce?"
"Representative Pierce? The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."
"Representative Domico?"
"Representative Domico? Remove him."
"Representative Farley?"
"Representative Farley, is not in the chamber. Remove him."
"Representative Krska?"
"Representative Krska, is not voting."
"Representative Panayotovich?"
"Representative Panayotovich, is not in the chamber. Remove him."
"Representative Hoffman?"
"Representative Hoffman? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him."
"Representative Greiman?"
"Excuse me, Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you rise?"
"Here to help. I ask leave to table the Bill."
"The Gentleman asks leave to table this. We are in the middle of a Roll Call. We have to finish the Roll Call, Representative Leverenz. Would you like to put this Bill on the Order of Postponed Consideration and then table the Bill?" 106 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"No."
"That would work."
"Then I'll do it." May 31, 1984
"The Gentleman asks leave to put this Bill on the Order of Postponed Consideration. Hearing no objection, the Bill is on the Order of Postponed Consideration. The Gentleman now asks leave to table House Bill 2659. All those in favor say "aye", all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and this Bill is tabled. On appropriation bills dealing with environment and public health, Representative Barnes has House Bill 2653. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2653, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Conservation. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, I think I would like to bring this back to the Order of Second Reading for purposes of Amendments."
"The Lady asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second for the purposes of an Amendment. Does the Lady have leave? Hearing no objections, this Bill is on the Order of Second Reading. Please read the Amendments."
"Amendment #7. Leverenz."
"Representative Leverenz."
"This Amendment was provided to, I believe, our staff from the Department. It straightens out the Salmon Fund monies as they would be appropriated by the agency. It makes no dollar change, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #7 to House Bill 2653. On that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question 107 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 is 'Shall Amendment #7 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #8, Shaw."
"Representative Shaw."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an Amendment to create... to add $150,000 addition to the Department of Conservation for the purpose of hiring a trainee program. And the reason that this Amendment is being offered because there... Conservation seemed not to have an affirmative action program. If you look at the statistics..."
"Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"
"Question of the Clerk, Madam Speaker. Has this Amendment been printed and distributed? We can't find it over here."
"The Amendment has been printed and distributed. Proceed, Mr. Shaw."
"I just... and all I'm asking for is an Affirmative Roll Call."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #8 to House Bill 2653. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Amendment because the method of funding that he would accomplish this by would delete some important game wardens in the state. We need to provide the protection out there for the game laws to make sure they're enforced, and the method of funding would delete that. So I would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Huff." 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day
"Madam Speaker, May 31, 1984 Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I support this Amendment; because, following Representative Vinson's logic, this Amendment is going to provide training that could very well augument those forest preserve rangers' positions. This is a good Amendment and should deserve our vote"
"The question is... The question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 to House Bill 2653 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 52 voting 'aye', 39 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Amendment... and this Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #9, Mautino."
"Representative Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Amendment #9 to House Bill 2653 appropriates $60,000 from the State Boating Act Fund to the Department of Conservation for the construction of a boat ramp at the Rock River in Como, Illinois, Whiteside County."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #9 to House Bill 2653. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall Amendment #9 to House Bill 2653 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Thank you."
"Floor Amendment #10, Leverenz."
"Representative Leverenz. Representative Leverenz."
"This Amendment would reorder the monies and put it 109 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day into law enforcement equipment, May 31, 1984 $200,000, for telecommunications equipment or radio equipment, I'm sorry."
"The Gentleman moves for the..."
"I move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #10 to House Bill 2653. And on that question the Gentleman... Is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is 'Shall Amendment #10 to House Bill 2653 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye", all those in favor say 'aye', all those oppposed say "nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes" have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Thank you."
"Floor Amendment #11, Shaw."
"Representative Shaw."
"I'm withdrawing Amendment #11."
"Withdraw Amendment #11. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #12, Nelson Koehler."
"Representative Nelson."
"Thank you very much. Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I wish to withdraw Floor Amendment #12. It's duplicative of Senation action today."
"Withdraw Amendment #12. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendmetn #13, Rea."
"Representative Rea."
"Amendment 13 provides a $110,000 for the Wayne Fitzgerald State Park to extend the waste disposal line to a marina which will make that a comprehensive diversified park and... all the other improvements are there."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of 110 STATE OF ILLINOIS 63RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Amendment #13 to House Bill 2653. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #13 to House Bill 2653 be adopted?' All those in favor say aye, all those opposed say "Day'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #14, Ronan Barnes.#
"Representative Ronan."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #14 is a very simple concept. We're adding $40,000 to the Department's budget so that we can fish in the lagoons in the Chicago Park District in the City of Chicago."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #14 to House Bill 2653. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #14 to House Bill 2653 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the "ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The Lady now asks leave for immediate consideration of House Bill 2653. Is there any objection? Seeing no objection, Third Beading. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 2653, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Conservation. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2653 appropriates the Fiscal Year 185 request for the Department of Conservation budget. And it involves state 111 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 boating, state parks, wildlife and fish, the Salmon Fund, forest reserve, land and water, recreation, historical sites, federal fire protection, snowmobile trail, the Illinois Forestry Development, Illinois Non-game Wildlife, Wildlife Conservation Fund, conservation federal projects and capital development bonds."
"The Lady asks... The Lady moves that House Bill 2653 pass. All those in favor... The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."
"Question of the Sponsor."
"The Lady will yield for a question."
"Percentage increase over last year?"
"Before the Amendments it was... the request was 39% increase."
"So after the Amendments it will be much more than that or a little bit more than that."
"I would say so."
"So we're talking 40% ballpark."
"Right."
"Thank you."
"The question is 'Shall House Bill 2653 pass?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 90 voting 'aye', 17 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative McPike, is recognized for the purposes of a Motion. Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to waive the appropriate rule so that the Rules Committee can meet immediately in the Conference Room in the back corridor."
"The Gentleman asks leave to waive the necessary 112 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 posting rules and to allow the Bules Committee meeting to meet immediately in the Speaker's Conference БООВ in the back corridor. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the appropriate rules are waived. In addition to that, there will be temporary appointments to the Rules Committee meeting which will be held immediately. Representative Slape, Representative Alexander, Representative Rice, Representative Saltsman and Representative Homer please report to the Rules Committee meeting immediately. Representative Alexander, Representative Slape, Representative Homer and Representative Rice report to the Rules Committee meeting immediately in the back corridor, as well as all other Members. On the Order of Appropriation Eills dealing with state transportation, appears House Bill 2624, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2624, a Bill for an Act making certain reappropriations to the Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative: Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2624 deals with the Department of Transportation appropriation, and it's approximately two billion, four million, seven hundred and fourty-two point five dollars. And the budget reflects a lot of water resources, capital projects and some other projects dating all the way back to 1976 throughout the state. And I think that this budget has been debated quite thoroughly. I would request an 'aye' vote."
"The Lady has moved... The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2624. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Yes, to the Bill." 113 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 128th Legislative Day
"Proceed."
"The Lady is correct. These projects have all been approved and scrutinized by the General Assembly in the past. It is simply the reappropriation Bill, and this Bill should pass."
"The Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I don't think that ve ought pass cut any Bill for the Department of Transportation for the State of Illinois for the reason that the Department of Transportation has not kept good faith in reference to its promises in reference to securing the votes of Members of the House of Representatives in reference to 1305 and in reference to the Service Transportation Act of 1982. There vere just very uncomplicated things which the Department promised it would do which I think we ought to remember and speak to by voting 'present' on this Bill. As for example, I have since then been picking up the paper, receiving notices of various type of road projects. Secretary Kramer specifically promised that if we would support the Major Road Program Resurfacing Act that in reference projects in our district, we would be notified beforehand, and we would be given an opportunity to appear in the paper as having given notice to the public about the... Thank you very much." to the
"The question is Shall House Bill 2624 pass?" All those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 86 voting 'aye', 8 voting no and 8 voting having received the Constitutional present. This Bill, Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2625, Representative Barnes. 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2625, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Transportation. Third Beading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2625 addresses the appropriations for the Department of Transportation, and the fiscal year appropriation is approximately one billion, eight hundred and twenty-six million, one hundred and six point one dollars. Some of the highlights of the program are the Fiscal Year '85 $900,000,000 highway program, which everybody has been advised of, transit operating and capital funding, agency operations, and there are approximately 79 new positions, the new water resources capital in the Falwaukee Airport. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"The Lady moves for passage of House Bill 2625. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Huff."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Speaking for myself, Madam Speaker, I'm going to back off of this legislation the way Dracula tacks off the crucifix, and I would urge all other good-thinking vampires to do the same thing. This relates to the position that Representative Younge was speaking to. Some of us last year voted with the Secretary of Transportation on a good-faith agreement which they did not keep, and we were put in the untenable situation, a very embarrassing situation, going back to our districts raising recklessly the expectation of our people in our districts who were looking for road work and didn't get it. What we found instead was that the Secretary of Transportation made certain agreements with elements in our community and 115 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 affected contracts with these people who used the money to work against some of the Members in the House here. I should think that in this House your word should mean something, and all of the wrongs that the Secretary Kramer perpetrated on us one by one is coming back to haunt him two by two. And I think we should stay off of this Bill and teach Secretary Kramer what it means to keep his word."
"The Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. And I don't think that there could be an integrity to this process unless there is support for the position that when a promise is made to a Member of the House of Representatives that promise is kept. And the only way we can make that the rule rather than everyday, every year these people not keeping their promises is that the Members of this House back up Members to which broken promises have been made."
"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 2625. The question is, "Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Vinson, to explain your vote."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, I would just point out to the Members of the House who are reviewing this matter that if you vote 'no' on this, you're voting against a bunch of road projects that your people care about all around the state that you've probably been giving speeches for for the past ten years."
"This Bill requires 60 votes passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 55 voting 'aye', 11 voting 'no' and 23 voting 'present', and the Lady asks for a Poll of the Absentees. Excuse me, Representative Huff, for what reason do you rise?" 116 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984
"Well, Madam Speaker, if this gets the required votes, I'm going to ask for a verification."
"Very good."
"Poll of the Absentees. Alexander. Braun. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. DiPrima. Doyle. Farley. Jaffe. Krska. Mautino. McFike. Neff. Pierce. Rice."
"Excuse me, Representative Jaffe would like to be recorded as voting 'no'. Representative Curran would like to go from 'aye' to 'present'. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."
"Ronan. Taylor. Terzich. VanDuyne. Wolf. Mr. Speaker."
"Poll the affirmative, please. Yes, excuse me, Representative Olson. Representative Olson asks leave to be verified. The Bill has not even passed yet, Representative Olson. On this Bill there are 54 voting 'aye', 19 voting 'no' and 24 voting 'present'. Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, since I noticed that Representative Madigan is not voting at all, I'm just going to let the Bill go down."
"Representative Mautino, for what reason do you rise?"
"I don't believe I'm recorded, Madam Speaker."
"No, you're not."
"Please record me as 'aye'."
"Representative Mautino would like to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Representative Madigan. Representative Madigan, would like to be recorded as voting 'no'. What's the count, Mr. Clerk? Representative Rice? Representative Rice, would like to vote 'present'. On this Bill there are 55 voting 'aye', 18 voting 'no' and 25 voting 'present'. This Bill, having failed to receive the 117 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 necessary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. Agreed Resolutions. Representative McPike, for the Adjournment Resolution. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."
"House Joint Resolution 157. Resolved by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein, that when the House of Representatives adjourn on Thursday, May 31, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, June 6, 1984 at 12:30 p.m., and when the Senate adjourns on Thursday, May 31, 1984, it stands adjourned until Monday, June 5, 1984 at 1:00 p.m."
"Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move the... for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution."
"All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1003, Brunsvold; 1004, Hallock - Giorgi; 1005, Hallock - Giorgi; 1006, Hallock - Giorgi; 1007, Piel; 1008, Brummer; 1009, Madigan - et al; 1010, Madigan; 1012, Doyle; and House Joint Resolution 155, Zwick; and 156, Brummer."
"Representative Mulcahey, on the Agreed Resolutions."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Joint 1003, Brunsvold, congratulates Rock Island High School track team for ending up the '84 season in second place in Class AA Track Meet. 1004, Hallock - Giorgi, congratulates Gilford High School of Richland won the 3200 meter run at Illinois High School Association's State Class AA Track Field Championship. 1005, Hallock - Giorgi, congratulates Ike Johnson, Ken Mannery, Brian Butler, Chris Linhart East High 118 128th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 31, 1984 School recently won the 3000 meter relay team Class A track team. 1006, congratulates Rockford East High School who recently won the shot put event. 1007, Fiel, congratulates Mr. and Mrs. Henry Piel, parents of our esteemed colleague, Representative Robert Piel, celebrate their golden wedding anniversary on June 8. Resolution 1008, Brummer, congratulates Teutopolis High School Class A girls' track team for the Class A Championship. House Resolution 1009, Madigan, congratulates Patrick Doyle as Man of the Year of the Back of the Yards Council annual dinner June 5. House Resolution 1010, Madigan, congratulates Mrs. Anna Surma of Chicago celebrates her 88th birthday on July 10. House Resolution 1012, Doyle, congratulates Triton College of the 6th annual GED graduation ceremony. House Joint Resolution 155, congratulates Cherise Hagen of Sleepy Hollow having been selected as Miss Teen U.S.A. for 1983. House Joint Resolution 156, Brummer, congratulates the Russell and Allison Levee Unit which formed to arrive in the solution of the annual flooding which has significant ... the impact in this area. And Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker..."
"Representative McPike."
"I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"Grand. The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1011, Ronan and House Resolution 1013, DeJaegher."
"Committee on Assignment. Committee Reports."
"Representative Satterthwaite, Chairman of the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken 5/30/84 and reported the same 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day May 31, 1984 back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 1395; 'do pass Short Debate' Senate Bills 1596 and 1598; 'be adopted' House Resolution 961 as amended. Representative Wolf, Chairman of the Committee on Personnel and Pensions, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 30, 1984 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 1873. Representative Jaffe, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 31, 1984 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bills 1841 and 1755; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1424. Representative White, Chairman of the Committee on Human Services, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 31, 1984 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 1481; 'do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bills 1880, 1840, 1879, 1861, 1767, 1797 and 1905."
"Representative McPike. Allowing time for the Clerk to read Senate Messages, Representative McPike moves that this House stand adjourned until Tuesday at the hour of 12:30. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and this House is adjourned."
"Messages from the Senate. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. "Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following titles and passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Bills #1386, 1541, 1547, 1548, 1549, 1550, 1565, 1583, 1584, 1649, 1654 and 1656, passed by the Senate May 31, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.* Being no further business, the House now 120 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 128th Legislative Day stands adjourned." May 31, 1984 121 09/27/84 08:47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 31, 1984 PAGE 1 HB-2530 THIRD READING PAGE 86 HB-2546 THIRD READING PAGE 40 HB-2547 THIRD READING PAGE 64 HB-2549 THIRD READING PAGE 38 HB-2610 THIRD READING PAGE 21 HB-2624 THIRD READING PAGE 113 HB-2625 THIRD READING PAGE 115 HB-2626 THIRD READING PAGE 87 HB-2627 RECALLED PAGE 31 HB-2627 THIRD READING PAGE 35 HB-2631 THIRD READING PAGE 67 HB-2632 THIRD READING PAGE 51 HB-2634 THIRD READING PAGE 39 HB-2640 THIRD READING PAGE 88 HB-2641 THIRD READING PAGE 30 HB-2642 THIRD READING PAGE 92 HB-2644 RECALLED PAGE 93 HB-2644 THIRD READING PAGE 94 HB-2648 THIRD READING PAGE 97 HB-2651 THIRD READING PAGE 67 HB-2653 RECALLED PAGE 107 HB-2653 THIRD READING PAGE 111 HB-2654 THIRD READING PAGE 39 HB-2655 THIRD READING PAGE 97 HB-2659 RECALLED PAGE 98 HB-2659 THIRD READING PAGE 99 HB-2659 TABLED PAGE 107 HB-2663 THIRD READING PAGE 70 HB-2664 THIRD READING PAGE 70 HB-2729 RECALLED PAGE 16 HB-2729 THIRD READING PAGE 17 HB-2734 THIRD READING PAGE 36 HB-2739 THIRD READING PAGE 72 HB-2769 THIRD READING PAGE 71 HB-2776 THIRD READING PAGE 72 HB-2821 THIRD READING PAGE 73 HB-3025 THIRD READING PAGE 75 HB-3071 THIRD READING PAGE 81 HB-3128 THIRD READING PAGE 52 HB-3277 SECOND READING PAGE 6 HB-3277 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 6 HB-3277 MOTION PAGE 4 SB-0294 THIRD READING PAGE 6 SB-1534 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1546 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1553 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1555 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1556 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1557 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1561 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1563 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1564 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1566 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1568 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1571 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1573 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1575 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1576 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1578 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1581 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1592 FIRST READING PAGE 4 SB-1586 FIRST READING PAGE 4 SB-1610 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1611 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1657 THIRD READING PAGE 13 09/27/84 08:47 STATE OF-ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 31, 1984 HJR-0157 ADOPTED PAGE 2 PAGE 118 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PRAYER - REVEREND MERWIN MASTERS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE AGREED RESOLUTION REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR RESOLUTION - QUINCY NOTRE DAME LADY RAIDERS AGREED RESOLUTIONS GENERAL RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE REPORTS ADJOURNMENT PERFUNCTORY SESSION MESSAGE FROM SENATE PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 4 PAGE 19 PAGE 83 PAGE 118 PAGE 119 PAGE 120 PAGE 120 PAGE 120 PAGE 120 PAGE 121