Illinois House Floor Debate — May 30, 1984

"The House will come to order. Members will be in their Chairs. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Frank Grady, Pastor of Paris Fresbyterian Church in Paris, Illinois. Reverend Grady is a guest of Representative Babe Hoodyard and Representative Larry Stuffle. Will the guests in the balcony please rise and join us in the invocation?"

"Let us pray. Almighty God, we pray Your blessing upon this assembled Body. We have come here from these great cities, from smaller communities, villages and towns and from the rich farming countryside which You have so amply blessed this great state with. We have come here to deliberate and to meet the needs and responsibilities and concerns of our people. We pray Your blessing upon us and upon our actions and upon our deeds. This day we pray for the people of this great land. We pray for Your guidance, and we seek Your help. Be with those who are here this day, for we pray Your wisdom and Your strength will be upon each. Through Jesus Christ, our lord. Amen."

"Be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. 113 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Greiman."

"Mr. Speaker, we have no excused absences today." Speaker äcPike: "Thank you. Are there any excused absences from Clerk the Republican side? Messages from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Secretary. *Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following titles and passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Bills #1510, 1513, 1551, 1553, 1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1563, 1566, 1567, 1568, 1569, 1573, 1575, 1576, 1577, 1578, 1579, 1581, 1582, 1586, 1587, 1590, 1591, 1571, 1572, 1592, 1593, 1594, 1595, 1597, 1599, 1600, 1609, 1610, 1621 and 1639, passed by the Senate May 25, 1984. Kenneth Bright, Secretary.*"

"Committee Reports. Excuse me. Representative Piel."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Harris and Representative Neff are excused today?"

"Representative Harris and..."

"Representative Neff."

"Thank you. Committee Reports."

"Representative Giglio, Chairman of the Committee on Cities and Villages, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 29, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: *do pass Senate Bill 1859; *do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1824. Representative Steczo, Chairman of the Committee on Counties and Townships, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 29, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: *do pass Senate Bills 1538, 1692 and 1708; *do pass Short Debate' Senate Bill 1448; *do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1728. Representative Pierce, Chairman of the Committee on Revenue, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 30, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendation: *do pass Short Debate' Senate 2  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 Bills 1385 and 1459. Representative John Dunn, Chairman of the Committee on Transportation, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 29, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass Short Debate' Senate Bill 1607; 'do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1714. Supplemental Calendar #1 is now being distributed."

"Senate Bills First Reading."

"Senate Bill 1510, Keane, a Bill for an Act making First Reading of appropriations to the Auditor General. the Bill. Senate Bill 1513, Nadigan, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of State Treasurer. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1559, Huff, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Financial Institutions. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1572, Madigan - Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the Prarie State 2000 Fund. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1590, Keane - Bastert, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations for higher education. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1593, Ropp, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the Board of Regents. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1595, Stuffle - Roodyard, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Illinois Community College Board and the Board of Trustees of the State Community College of East St. Louis. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1597, Matijevich, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations to the Illinois State Scholarship Commission. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1591, Satterthwaite, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1621, 3  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 Satterthwaite, a Bill for an Act making a supplemental appropriation to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1754, Homer, a Bill for an Act to amend the Physical Fitness Service Act. First Reading of the Bill."

"Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 994, Hensel; 995, Shaw; 996, Krska. And House Joint Resolution 154, DiPrima - et al."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 994, Hensel, congratulates William Sargent on his retirement. House Resolution 995, Shaw, congratulates the Calumet Family Center Advisory Committee on their 25th anniversary. House Resolution, Krska, 99... House Resolution 996, Krska, congratulates Mr. and Mrs. Virgil Reed on their golden wedding anniversary. House Joint Resolution 154, DiPrima, congratulates Dwight Tanner on his installation of Illinois Department Commander of the VFW. I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Agreed Resolutions are adopted. House Bills Third Reading. Special Subject - Capital Development. Page two of the Calendar, House Bill 2638, Representative Barnes. Representative Earnes on the floor? House Bills Third Reading, Subject Matter - Constitutional Officers, appears House Bill 2645. Page three of the Calendar. Representative Earnes - Daniels - Davis - Ewing - Hoffman. Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson asks leave to handle the Bill. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2645, a Bill for an Act to provide for 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 the ordinary and contingent expense of the Office of the Governor. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2645 is the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of the Governor. The Bill appropriates 4,480,000 dollars from the General Revenue Fund for the Office of the Governor. And I would move for the passage of House Bill 2645."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 2645. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2645 pass?' All those in favor signify by... The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Question of the Sponsor."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, does this have the salary increases for the Governor's staff in it?"

"Five percent, like everybody else."

"Five percent. But there are no new positions created in this appropriation?"

"There is a Director of the Washington Office who is located on the Governor's payroll now."

"Oh, we have an Office in Washington? That's good."

"Yes, we've had one for some time."

"Alright. Thank you, Representative."

"Being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2645 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Christensen 'aye'. On this Bill there are 106 'ayes', no 'nays', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 2645, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day passed. May 30, 1984 House Bill 2646. Page three of the Calendar. Representative Vinson asks leave to handle the Bill. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." a

"House Bill 2646, Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Bureau of the Budget. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Bembers of the House. House Bill 2646 appropriates 2.8 million dollars to the Bureau of the Budget for its Fiscal Year 1985 ordinary and contingent expenses. An Amendment has been adopted to the Bill deleting the planning money for the math and science academy. I would ask for a favorable action on House Bill 2646."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2646. And on that, the Gentlemen frca Winnebago, Bepresentative Mulcahey."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question, Mr. Speaker?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Vinson, you say the science and math academy has been eliminated?"

"That is correct."

"And how much is this budget, percentage-wise, over, Vinson: above and beyond what it was last year, total appropriation? Ball park." "Representative, I don't have that information at my fingertips."

"Thank you."

"Bepresentative Mulcabey, were your questions asked... answered? Bepresentative Bullock."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Mr. Speaker, cculd you ask the 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Sponsors of these measures to take the time and convey to the Assembly the contents of the legislation and the pertinent information? For example, Representative Mulcahey just asked a question. The question was never responded to, and we are proceeding to vote out these large authorizations and appropriations. So I would request, Mr. Speaker, that you ask the Sponsors to please describe the Bill, its content and any pertinent information SO that we'd have some idea as to what we are voting on at this juncture."

"Further discussion? Representative Vinson, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Excuse me. Excuse ше. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"The budget's up about 250,000 over the previous year, to answer your question and Representative Mulcahey. Thank you."

"Turn me off."

"Gentleman from Cock, Representative Cullerton.. Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Vinson, if you could, on these appropriation Bills, if you could indicate what the percentage increase was over last year's budget as a matter of course during your explanation cf the Bill, I would certainly appreciate it. And more specifically, with regard to this Bill, did you give that information already, Sir?"

"Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Representative, Representative Leverenz indicated that the increase was about 250,000 dollars."

"What's the percentage? Fourteen percent he tells 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 me?"

"Fourteen."

"Okay. And on these other Bills, if you wouldn't mind just indicating that, if you have the information so that... before... to avoid asking the... having me ask the question. But I will ask the question if you don't have the information included in your explanation. I'll pay attention."

"Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would..."

"Would you like to respond to Representative Cullerton's question?"

"No. He was telling me that he was going to ask questions in the future. That was the thrust of his remarks."

"Okay. Well, Representative Vinson, it would speed up the process if you would try to accommodate the Members. Representative Vinson, to close."

"In the new Illinois, we accommodate, Mr. Speaker. I would move for favorable House action on House Bill 2646, which is the appropriation for the Bureau of the Budget."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2646. All those in favor signify by voting "aye", opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 95 'ayes', 1 'no', 12 voting 'present'. House Bill 2646, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2729, page three of the Calendar, Representative Woodyard. Representative Woodyard. ... ready to proceed on this?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe there is an Amendment that is being filed on this, and I don't think it 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day has been distributed at this time. May 30, 1984 Let's leave it GD Third."

"Out of the... Out of the record. House Bill 2785, page four of the Calendar, Representative Leverenz. Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker. I would like to have leave to return this... 2785 to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of tabling four Amendments to correct technical errors due to their... due to the drafting of them and replace them with Amendment #13."

"Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 2785 to Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. 2785, Second Reading. Are there any Motions filed? Bepresentative Leverenz, on a Motion."

"I would move that we would table Amendments 8, 9, 11 and 12, and they will all be replaced with a technically correct Amendment 13, making literally no change."

"The Gentleman has moved to table Amendments #8 9, 11 and 12. The Gentleman has moved to table those Amendments. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye..."

"Aye."

"... opposed 'no". The ayes have it, and the Amendments are tabled. Further Amendments?" Winchester."

"Floor Amendment #13, Richmond

"Representative Richmond, Amendment #13."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As Representative Leverenz indicated, this is an Amendment to straighten out technical difficulties that were associated in the language of the four earlier Amendments that he has just tabled. It establishes full service regional offices for the Attorney General in Franklin, Jackson, Kankakee and Granite City Franklin 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 County, Jackson County, Kankakee and Granite City. These are... This is identical, except... I mean, for the four... It's identical to the Amendments that were tabled, and this just makes it technically correct. I move for its passage."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #13. On that, the Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."

"Question of the Sponsor of the Amendment."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Richmond, I apologize to you and probably to Representative Leverenz in his Committee as this stuff was winding its way through. With this Amendment, how many regional offices have been created and at what cost, generally, throughout the state for the Attorney General?"

"Yes, Representative Davis, I can speak to the Amendment and the offices that are contained therein, the four that I mentioned. They are 229,000 dollars each. I understand... I'm not a Member of the Appropriation Committee where there were some other regional offices established in the regular... in the Committee. So, perhaps Representative Leverenz can answer that portion of your question."

"Well then, Mr. Sponsor, one additional question. How... What are these regional offices to do? I was not privy to the testimony in the Appropriations Committee. What are these regional offices to do for the Attorney General?"

"They are offices that will, among other things, will serve as the advocate... consumers' advocacy, and there will be a couple of, as I understand it, a couple of attorneys that are involved in these offices so that the Office of the Attorney General can be more accessible around the state in the various regions. This is a program 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 that he's been promoting, and these Amendments helped complete the list of his proposed regional offices."

"Does not the Attorney General have an office of consumer advocate in the Attorney General's Office now that's funded at some figure around three to five hundred thousand dollars?"

"Well, that's probably true. I'm not sure about the figures, but I only mentioned one of the functions that these regional offices would be concerned with. It's possible that the Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, who heard the testimony on this issue, might answer your questions with more detail."

"Well, perhaps... perhaps the issue then can be raised again on Third Reading, but I, for one, do not intend to support this Amendment 13 and reluctantly admit that I should have been opposing the balance of them on that Notions to strike. I don't think, in this day and age, that we need ought be setting up competing consumer advocate agencies throughout the state for any constitutional officer when you have a consumers' advocate program already in place that I put in place myself two years ago in the Attorney General's Office, and... and it's functioning well, to the best of my knowledge, and then add almost another million dollars in for statewide offices to hire more attorneys to sit around and do the same thing that the attorneys do in the consumer advocate's office of the Attorney General anyway. I'm not going to support the Amendment, and I'll have more to say when we talk about the Bill on Third Reading."

"Representative Richmond, to close."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just ask for the support of this Amendment. It has been pretty well agreed upon, I think, in the process through the administ... 11  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 through the Appropriations Committees, and I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #13. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments? Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Leverenz, is it your intent to call the Bill now?"

"Why, of course."

"The Gentleman asks leave to have... to waive the appropriate rules to have House Bill 2785 heard at this time. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2785, a Bill for an Act to make an appropriation to the Attorney General. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cock, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On House Bill 2785, the appropriation for the Attorney General's Office, the original budget request was 24 million, five-six-four, which was an 18 percent increase over the previous year. They have had an annual increase of 15 percent since FY '82. The Amendments that were adopted both in Committee and the most recent one on the House floor would make a change from having temporary offices at certain locations to having specific offices in the following areas: Rock Island, Lake County, LaSalle County, Mount Vernon, Macon, Granite City, Adams County, Jackson County, Franklin County, Will County and Kankakee. And those would be offices of three to five people, generally for an appropriation... individual appropriation of 229,000 dollars averaging for each office. I would move 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 for the passage of House Bill 2785 and answer any questions that I can from the Members."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2785. On that, the Gentleman from Nill, Representative Davis."

"Will the Sponsor yield, Mr. Speaker?"

"Indicates he will."

"Mr. Sponsor, you mumbled very well. Even I can hear you when you're talking softly. Would you give me the increase again with the Amendments in terms of percentages and dollars?"

"The original budget request was..."

"The Gentleman have your attention? The Gentleman have your attention."

"Thank you. The original budget reguest is 24 million, five-six-four. That's an 18 percent increase over the previous year. It has averaged, since FY '82, a 15 percent increase. The offices that were added, of which, if you want, I will read the list again, consists of three to five people per office in each Anenduent. Eather than have the personal services monies floating generally in the Attorney General's budget, the offices have been line itemed, which gives everybody a good idea of exactly who or how big or what will be done in each of those offices. Again, about 229,000 dollars per office for the offices that have been added. To accommodate the Members, you have an increase of about 2.4 million dollars to this budget."

"So, in other words, Mr. Sponsor, it's 2.4 million above 18 percent increase. So, quickly, I suppose, we could say now this budget is 28 percent over last year. Is that correct?"

"It is two and a half or 2.4 million more than the budget request, and that is because of the Members' desires 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day of this chamber."

"I understand Members' desires, and I understand the Attorney General's desire. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. While we are not opposed to expanding the scope of regional offices throughout the state for any constitutional officer, it seems to me, and I did not ask this question of Representative Leverenz, the Sponsor, that this constitutional officer is asking for an almost one-third increase in his budget at a time when the consumer affairs advocate program, internally in that office, is working rather well. And I suppose that... that, like anybody else, we all want to expand our operations into all counties and all areas of Illinois, but I'm not so sure, in this troubled time in which we live, and we're still not At sure of the revenue picture at the end of the year, that we ought be adding these despite those Members' requests. this point in time, I believe the Attorney General's Office functions admirable well and my congratulations to Attorney General Hartigan for that. But I don't believe, at this point in time, we ought to be funding an additional ten percent increase over an 18 percent increase and putting a one-third increase in a constitutional officer's budget. I venture to say that none of the rest of those constitutional offers will come in... officers will come in with anywhere near a one-third increase. So, I would recommend a 'no' vote on this until such time as we have an opportunity to review this at another time."

"Gentleman from Bardin, Representative Winchester."

"Would the Gentleman yield, Mr. Speaker?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Leverenz, what is the agricultural law division within the Attorney General's Office?" 14  127th Legislative Day

"The who?" STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984

"Agricultural. That's Kentucky for agriculture."

"That's a brand new division to take care of your constituents in the farming community, Representative Winchester."

"Well, what's it going to cost?"

"Depends upon the level of activity, as you know. Probably close to the office allottment that you have an interest in."

"What's it going to cost?"

"229,000."

"229,000. Is that something..."

"That's my best... That's my best guess."

"Well, that's a good guess, I guess. It doesn't make any difference. 300,000. 100,000. Is that something that... that they can do within their own budgetary items now without having to have new dollars? Why new dollars? Why not just reorganize and shift some of the dollars they've gotten to provide this service?"

"This is part of the final impact of the total reorganization of the office, and we have an attorney or two that has a strong background in agricultural problems. And we want to be able to put that person to good use."

"Well, has there been any need in the past for this kind of a new division?"

"I will have all of their requests and problems sent to you in a laundry list."

"Thank you."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Being none, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, to close."

"Thank you. I would simply ask, for the Attorney General's budget, your 'aye' vote, and we'll pass it." 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 2785. Question is, 'Shall House Bill 2785 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill: there are 77 'ayes', 31 'nos', 5 voting 'present'. House Bill 2785, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bills Third Reading, Subject Matter - Local Projects, appears House Bill 2372, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2372..."

"Representative Mautino, is there an Amendment? Did you wish to return this?"

"Not on this one. No, Sir."

"Thank you. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2372, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Agriculture."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Amendment you are addressing was put on yesterday by Representative Brummer, as it pertains to a fair project in his district. Basically what this legislation does is to authorize 42,000 dollars for the aggregate mining chemical evaluation that is done by the Department of Agriculture in consort with the Department of Transportation. This appropriation covers the additional chemists that are necessary for the evaluation of limestone so that there can be a 'siv' analysis that is published statewide and nationwide so that the agricultural community will have an idea of the use of lime as opposed to chemical usage on their farmland. This Amendment was agreed to in its original... This Bill was agreed to in its original form, with the meeting with the Department of Transportation, 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Department of Agriculture, and I know of no opposition to the Bill. It came out without any opposing votes, and I would ask for your support on 2372."

"Third Feading of the Bill."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 2372. Is there any discussion? Eeing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2372 pass? All those in favor signify by voting "aye", opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 106 ayes, 1 'no', none voting present. House Bill 2372, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2477, page two of the Calendar, Representative Friedrich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2477, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Agriculture. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Yeah, HI. Speaker and Members of the House, this is an appropriation out of the Ag Premium Fund which was, of course, originally designed to help the county fairs and the State Fair. In Marion County, the.. the fair group is doing a great job, but they cannot... and they've restored barns and fences and everything else, but the grandstand is in such shape that they can't possibly finance the rebuilding of it. This would increase the capacity to 3000. This is an area where there's a lot of horsebreeding going on, and this would encourage it because the... the races at these small tracks encourage people to do breeding. And I would appreciate your vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2477. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Can you tell me, Representative, did this building burn? This is not a brand new building is it, or is it just a replacement?"

"No, it's a replacement building. The building has been there a long time, and it's outlived its usefulness. In fact, it's now hazardous to use, and they're afraid they will have a collapse and have a serious problem there."

"Do you plan to have insurance on this new building?"

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2477 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 110 'ayes', 1 'no', 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 2477, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2786, page four of the Calendar, Representative Leverenz. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2786, a Bill for an Act to make an appropriation to the State Comptroller. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"The House Bill 2786, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly, would appropriate 2,169 dollars to the State Comptroller for the reimbursement of George Mentgen for certain expenses incurred in connection with his retirement annuity. He fell through the cracks. There were one of two ways to go, either through the Court of Claims or by 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day direct appropriation. May 30, 1984 We chose to do it through a direct appropriation to the Comptrcller's Office. I ask for your 'aye' vote on House Bill 2786."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 2786. On that, the Gentleman from Dekitt, Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, can you explain to me what this is all about? This is... seems to be a rather unusual Bill."

"It is an unusual Bill. It was an employee in the Department of Corrections that, for a period of time in the 70... I'm sorry. He was an employee since 1957 and had a deduction on his check of 50 dollars every month toward his annuity. The Department of Corrections made an error and reduced his contributions from 50 to 25 dollars. The error continued until 1977, and this would appropriate a small amount of money to make up the difference that was screwed up by the Department of Corrections."

"Are we... Are we substituting public money for what would have otherwise been private money in this, or is this some kind of a match?"

"I believe it to be public money."

"We would be substituting public money for what would have otherwise been private money then?"

"Correct, due to the error of the state."

"Now, when did the error begin?"

"It started in 1973, January."

"At that time, do you know whether the payroll system was automated or manual?"

"Unfamiliar with what they were doing within the Department of Corrections that made the administrative screw up." 19  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Is this likely to be a situation that will repeat itself, or have they convinced you that they have adeguate controls in place now to avoid it in the future?"

"I'm convinced there are DC problems within the Department of Corrections at this time with the Director that's there, and everything's rolling right. It's just unfortunate that this person... It slipped through the cracks on a payroll deduction error, and the Comptroller failed to apply those deductions toward the purchase of his annuity. And we're just trying to clean that little problem up."

"Was this under the deferred compensation program or what?"

"I think the deferred compensation program came out. after this started and was found as an eκτος."

"But at the time... at the time when this error was made, there was some authorized process by which you could have a payroll deduction made for the purchase of an annuity, I take it."

"That's correct."

"Ckay. Thank you."

"Representative Leverenz, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I ask for your aye vote cn 2786, an appropriation of 2,169 dollars."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 2786. All those in... Question is, Shall House Bill 2786 pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote "no". Have al1 voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 96 'ayes', 9 'nos', 2 voting present". House Bill 2786, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Diprira. Bepresentative 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day DiPrima in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as you all know, this is our annual Foppy Day. Fortunately, it falls on the 30th which, as far as our state is concerned, is still in effect. I handled the original May the 30th legislation; and, with the support of all the Members in the House, we fought diligently and kept May the 30th for about six years after the Federal Government had changed it to the last Monday or whatever. And this day it happens to fall on the 30th, and the fellow that fought us hard was Gene Hoffman. Is he here? Sure, he had abstention. Well, anyway. No, he was concerned about the kids, you know, because the kids were off on the 30th and the parents would be off on the federal holiday, and it was causing a lot of confusion. Finally, I got together with him, and we all concurred with the Federal Government. But what really got me mad was the veteran organizations themselves, they start falling in line with the federal ruling. And so, we had no choice. It was causing a lot of confusion in the state here. But I want you to know we still have May the 30th. We stripped it of everything, but May the 30th is actually our Memorial Day here. And I'm happy that we have it on the 30th today. Alright. Now we have some very distinguished guests up here, and I'd like to have them come up to the podium. Alright. At the outset, we want to start our program off by having a few words from Major General Harold G. 'Holdslinger', Adjutant General of the State of Illinois, and he's head of the 33rd Division of the National Guard. Unfortunately, I was with the 83rd. That was an Ohio Division. General 'Holdslinger'."

"Thank you, Sir. I am honored to be here this morning and feel privileged as you've given me the 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 opportunity to appear here in the General Assembly today as a spokesman for the over 13,000 Illincis National Guard members. On behalf of our citizen soldiers and airmen, I wish to express appreciation for your continued support of our efforts to provide a military organization capable of performing our federal and state missions. ... those are federal, the defense of this great nation and, state, the protection of life and property in times of disaster and other emergencies. Today, we observe the anniversary of Memorial Day. It is a tribute to all those who have died in war during the country's two centuries as a nation. You know, to most of us, a commemoriation is traditionally depicted by scenes of a quiet cemetery with flowers, a few flags and, in some locations, a ceremony to honor those buried at the site. The purpose cf Memorial Day is to honor those courageous members of the Armed Forces who gave their lives in the defense of freedom. The krave members of America's military forces who died in Viet Nam have been remembered in a special way just this week. An unknown soldier who made the supreme sacrifice was buried at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers in Arlington Cemetery. Many brave men and women have served their country in a manner beyond our experience. For their selfless dedication, We owe them our lasting gratitude for a heritage of freedom. We can never honor them enough for the price they've paid for this great heritage. You know, they've crossed many milestones on that long road to freedom, Concord, Gettysburg, Bellwood, Normandy, Korea, Viet Nam, Lebanon and, of course, very recently Grenada. We cannot ignore their contribution to our national heritage, for they served their fellow man in the fullest sense of that word. It's not their participation in which we glorify. What we glorify is the dedication to an ideal, to faith and to a 22  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 living concept of freedom, to the spirit of personal sacrifice for the common good which these brave Americans so gallantly served. When a nation needed them, they left their families and homes to meet their responsibilities. They did what needed to be done and more, above and beyond the call of duty. Nearly every American family has some special, personal reason for cbserving Memorial Day. Over the years, the toll of battle has been high, affecting friends and relatives all across the nation. More than a million Americans have died in war. Almost one and a half million have been wounded. That's why we're conducting ceremonies on Memorial Day and recognizing that day today, to honor those people whose supreme sacrifice has enabled us to live and enjoy the blessings of freedom and security. You know, however, these blessings are accompanied by a sense of obligation. If we're to keep our nation free, each generation of Americans must be prepared to make further sacrifices. To keep the faith with those who gave us that gift of freedom, we must be willing to dedicate our lives to the present preservation of this heritage. Let us all hear and now resolve and rededicate ourselves to the principles for which our American military personnel have died; honor, loyalty, integrity and face in America's future. Our resolution will truly be their memorial, the guarantee that they, in fact, did not die in vain. Briefly, for a moment in our history, the military men and women we remember today held our nation's destiny in their hands. In that moment, they did not fail us. We must not fail them. Again, I say I consider it toth an honor and a privilege to be with you here today on the 30th of May, Memorial Day. Thank you very much."

"Thank you, General Holdslinger.... 'Holdslinger'. Listen. The National Guard has been very 23  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 close to me, or I've been very close to the National Guard. I've always considered them our first line of defense, and I'm really happy the General tock the time out today to give us this little address. Thank you very much, General. NOW I would like to introduce a former Senator, Eob Mitchler. Bob worked with me on that Memorial Day. We worked together on returning Veterans' Day back to November the 11th, and we were successful with November the 30th. But then we went down the chute because of the commotion we were creating, and Ne went along and resclved it by conforming with the recognition of the federal holiday. Senator Bob Hitchler."

"Well, thank you, Bepresentative Difrima and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Illinois House of Representatives. It's always a distinct honor when a Sentcr or former Senator can address this wonderful Body. And General *Holdslinger', I want to tell you that you had complete attention here. I've visited the House on many occasions, and I want to tell you, it was the quietess I've ever heard it when it was in Session. So, you really got your message across today. We have some very distinguished guests that Representative DiPrima asked me to intrcduce. And I would like to introduce them starting on my left and your right. Brigadier General William Doris', Illinois Army National Guard, the Assistant Adjutant General Army. Brigadier General Richard Esslinger', Illincis Air National Guard, Assistant Adjutant General Air. Colonel Lewis L. 'Byers", Jr., Illinois Army National Guard, Chief of Staff to the Adjutant General. Colonel John W. Johnston, Illinois Army National Guard, Administrative Assistant to the Adjutant General. Captain Roman Martin, United States Naval Reserve, the Naval Reserve Advisor to the Adjutant General. Lieutenant Colonel Carl Johnson, Illinois Army National 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Guard, Public Affairs Officer to the Adjutant General. Representing the Honorable David V. Hardwick, Director of the Department of Veterans Affairs, is George Taylor on the end. And the Honorable Thomas R. Jones, Assistant Director, Department of Veterans Affairs. Let's give them all a rounding applause, please. Thank you very much. I'll return it to Representative DiPrima. At this time we will retire the officers, because they are on command to perform also in the Senate. Thank you very much." Speaker DiPrima: cooperation. "Thanks, Ladies and Gentlemen, for your Now we're going to have Ropp read a little... What's the name of that Ropp?"

"I Am Your Flag", Sir."

""I Am Your Flag", by Ropp."

""I was born on June 14th, 1777. I am more than just cloth shaped into a design. I am the refuge of the world's oppressed people. I am the silent sentinel of freedom. I am the emblem of the greatest sovereign nation on earth. I am the inspiration for which American patriots gave their lives and fortunes. I have led your sons into battle from Valley Forge to the bloody swamps of Viet Nam. I walk in silence which each of your honored dead to their final resting place beneath the silent white crosses, row upon I have flown through peace and war, strife and prosperity, and, amidst it all, I have been respected. My red stripes symbolize the blood spilled in defense of this glorious nation. My white stripes signify the burning tears shed by Americans who lost their sons. My blue field is indicative of God's heaven under which I fly. My stars, clustered together, unify 50 states as one for God and country. Old Glory is my nickname and proudly I waive on high. Honor me, respect me, defend me with your lives and your fortunes. Never let my enemies tear me down from my 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 lofty position, lest I never return. Keep alight the fires of patriotism, strive eanestly for the spirit of deтосгасу, worship Eternal God and keep His Commandments, and I shall remain the bullwork of peace and freedom for all mankind. I am your flag.' Now if you'll kindly stand."

"Thank you, Ropp. What more... What's better than following that up with the Pledge by Representative Bopp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Thank you. First on the roll call will be a poem, 'Memorial Day'. It was written by William J. 'Atcker', and it will be recited by Judy Topinka. Judy."

"'Memorial Day', by William J. 'Atcker', who is, by the way, a 92 year old self-taught poet from Waterloo, Illinois. So, he's one of our own. He wrote this in 1941, and he himself saw service in World War I. 'At Gettysburg, at San Juan Hill, in Flander's Field now all is still, but men still drill and march away, like you, who made Memorial Day. In Normandy and on Bataan, at Inchon, Quezon and in Iran, selflessly the needs you met and now we know me must not forget those who fought and those who fell to hear the bell of freedom nell. We crouch beside your graves today, these wreaths of furtile buds to lay. And to you who died for freedom's sake, a pledge to carry on we make. The torch that you SO bravely bore shall be our beacon evermore. We pray that by its guiding light, we'll find our course and hold it right. We hope it may, throughout the years, bring an end to blood and tears, for we're a nation proud and free, and sometimes it is hard to see where friendship for our cause atides and where a foe of 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 freedom hides. You have found peace while we still weep and wail our charges we must keep. There will be no peace until we find a way that's just for all mankind.""

"Thank you, Judy. Now we'll have a reading of 'In Flander's Field, the Poppies Grow', by Peggy Breslin. Peggy."

"In Flander's Field, the poppies blow between the crosses row on row that mark our place. And in the sky the larks still bravely singing, fly scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the dead. Short days ago we lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, loved and were loved. And now we lie in Flander's Field. Take up cur quarrel with the foe. To you, from failing hands, we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die, we shall not sleep, though poppies grow in Flander's Field.""

"Thank you, Peggy. Before I go any further, I wanted to thank the Speaker for allowing us this time and postponing the procedures of the Eouse to have this Memorial Day program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now we'll hear from John O'Connell who's Chairman of the Commission on Agent Orange with a President John F. Kennedy rememberance. John O'Connell."

"In 1962, President John F. Kennedy was reminded during a public address of the old verse scrolled on a sentry box more than three hundred years ago, and it read as follows: 'God and soldier all gen adore in time of trouble and no more, for when war is over and all things are righted, God is neglected, the old soldier slighted.' Recent events bear out the late President's belief that the more distant time moves from the sound of battle the more dim public memory becomes of the sacrifices exacted at the price for victory and the greater the inclination to challenge the veterans programs once accepted as just and 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day reasonable."

"Thank you, John. We will now hear what America means to me, by Mike Slape."

""What America Means to Me, by Christopher B. 'Backus". Brethren, there the man was So, SO dead who never to himself had said, this is my own, my native land. The retch will go down to 'voul' dust from which he sprang, unswept, unhonored and unsung." And this excerpt from a poem by Sir Walter Scott, "The man without a soul is decribed as the man without love for his country." "You ask me what America means to me, this question is very difficult to answer, not because America means nothing to me, but because the emotion this land of ours arouse in me escapes description. Why ask me? Ask the land itself. First, ask the mighty Mississippi River. Ask it if the force with which it moves thousands upon thousands of tons of water without effort. Ask it of the power of which allows nothing to stand in its way. Ask the river and it will tell you that this is the force of America. This force causes America to defeat obsticles with ease. This force moves our country forward without hesitation, but with cautious confidence. And it is this power which will not allow our country to be second test, but what... but which makes it the leader of the world. And it is this force which made this and finally to the great nation it is today. Ask the mighty Mississippi of the force of America. Then ask the great redwood tree. Ask it of the spirit which caused it to strain from its seed to the firm soil and force itself upward to the sky. Ask it of the spirit with which it stretches its limbs towards God. Ask the redwood, and it will tell you that this is the spirit of America. It is this spirit which urges the picneers to put out towards the west in covered wagons against all odds. 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 And it is this spirit which urges us to send the first man to the moon. It is this spirit which drives men to the battlefront to give their lives if necessary. It is this spirit which encourages the poor farmboy to become President of the United States. Finally, ask the wide space of sky. Ask it of the freedom with which an eagle soars through the clouds. Ask it of the freedom it gives to a man at the site of a golden sunset. Ask the sky, and it will tell you that this is the freedom of America, the freedom for which men have died. It is this freedom which allows us to say what we feel, to act as we see fit and worship as we wish. What does America mean to me? America means a force, a spirit and a freedom. In other words, America is life. For what is life without a force to give us strength? What is life without a spirit to encourage us? And what is life without freedom to make us independent? Yes, to me, America is life. And I now will challenge you to move this force along, to keep the spirit alive, to forward this freedom, because our lives without American attributes would not be life but only existence.""

"Thank you, Mike. Now we will hear "The Ten Commandments of a Good American", by Sylvester Rhem."

""The Ten Commandments of a Good American. One, love and honor the United States of America. Two, obey its laws and uphold its Constitution. Three, respect its flag and oppose all its enemies. Four... and support the national motto - in God we trust. Five, cherish and defend liberty and justice for all. Six, oppose discrimination and practice brotherhood. Seven, exercise the right to vote and preserve freedom. Eight, oppose and expose crime, political corruption and indecency. Nine, increase the American statute through education. Ten, strive for peace in a free world."" 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Thank you, Sylvester. Now we will hear "A Star in God's Window" as told by Earbara Currie."

"An early spring evening during the First World War, an father and his four-year-old son taking a stroll. As they walked by a darkened home, little Bobby noticed a service flag in the window, a gold star on a field of white with a red border. What kind of flag is that, daddy? That flag means the people in that home have lost a son in the war. Their boy died fighting for our freedom. A few moments later, a twinkling star, the first star of the evening. Bobby looked at the sky. He looked at his father. Daddy, did God lose a son in the war? Yes, Fobby. God gave up his Son that all people might be free. Today, in 1984, may we remember the great sacrifices our comrades have made so that we might enjoy the freedoms that are ours. May we remember the valiant deeds they have done for this great United States of America. May we share the love and concern of our fallen comrades. May we share the meaning of our freedoms on this Memorial Day."

"Thank you, Barbara. Now we will hear from Judy Koehler on what Memorial Day means to me. Judy Koehler."

"What Memorial Day means to me. In times of peace, in times of war, men and women of the Armed Forces have stood ready to protect our ideals of democracy. We will not forget their heroic deeds, for they were done in the name of freedom. We cannot forget their loyalty, for it gave their struggle meaning and kept this nation strong. And we must not forget them, for they gave their lives so that this nation might live. On this celebration of Memorial Day, let us pay grateful tribute to those who lived and died so courageously for their country."

"Thank you, Judy. And now the question, "What is a veteran", by Jack Davis." 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

May 30, 1984 "What is a veteran? He's a man who looks the world in the eye and who feels an extra heartbeat when the flag goes by. He's a man who steps a little faster when he hears a military band. He comes from all assorted races, sizes and shapes. He's big. He's small. He's short, and he's tall. He's a doughboy of World War I and the 61 of World War II, Korea and Viet Nam. He's a sailor, a soldier, a flyer, and a marine. He's artillety, infantry, medic, chemical engineer, armored ordinance and corpman. He's a Bepublican, a Democrat and an Independent. He's a plumber, a doctor, a salesman, a mechanic, a farmer, a kanker. He's Catholic and Protestant and Jew. He's rich, and he's poor, and he's in between. He's a man who loves peace, because he knows the cost of war. He's a good citizen and a man who knows the price of freedom. He knows that eternal vigilance and preparedness are necessary if freedom is to be preserved. He likes the majesty of America's mountains, the tranquility of her valleys and the bustle of her cities. He's proud of his American heritage. He's alert to the American present and confident of the American future. He likes the legends of America's great, the Washington's and Jefferson's and Lincoln's, the Roosevelt's and the Truman's, the Robert E. Lee's, Stonewall Jackson's and Patton's and Eisenhower's and MacArthur's and all the proud patriots who have marched through America's history books. He's bivouacked at Valley Forge, and he charged the hills at Gettysburg, faced the fire at San Juan Bill, stormed the sands of Guadalcanal and slogged through the Marne, swarmed shore at Omahaw Beach and waited the cold and mud of Korea and the steamy jungles of Viet Nam. In the very rear of his secret heart, there's a tinge of sorrow, a souvenier of sadness for lost and departed comrads. He's a first-class fighting man, a citizen 31  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 soldier and a peace-time leader. He's America's most honored citizen and a member of history's most exclusive fraternity. Aiding him in his duties as always as a fighting man were the WAVES, the WACS, the lady Marines and the nurses. God bless them all."

"Thank you, Jack. Now we will hear from the Oreo Trio, comprised of the Poppy Day bells, Loletta Didrickson, Sharon Markette and Kathleen Wojcik. They will give us their rendition of the song titled 'Trees', which was composed by Joyce 'Kilmer' who was killed in action in World War I. Girls, to you microphones." Didrickson, Markette, Wojcik: "Sing 'Trees'."

"Thank you, girls. Very good. Alright. Now we will hear from Penny Pullen who will recite 'A Republic that has Endured'. Penny Pullen."

"I have to admit - that's a tough act to follow. This is an inscription from a memorial in Arlington, Virginia. "Not for fame or reward, not for place or for rank, not lured by ambition or goaded by necessity, but in simple obedience to duty as they understood it, these men suffered all, sacrificed all, dared all and died."

"Thank you, Penny. Alright. Now we will hear of 'A Citizen's Creed', by Doris Karpiel."

"For God and country, we the citizens of the United States of America believe that our Creator provided this blessed country for us as our home and inspired our forefathers to author and enact the Constitution of the United States of America, delineating Americanism and the powers of government officials, the greatest instrument every devised by man for the protection of God-given freedoms of the individual, a constitutional republic whose government officials are selected and elected by the citizens eligible to vote, a perfect union of fifty states 32  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 established on those principles of freedom, equality, justice and Americanism for which American patriots have sacrificed their lives and fortunes. We pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. It is our responsibility and duty to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, to obey its laws, to assist in the selection and election of honest, intelligent, conscientious patriots as government officials, to respect our flag, to love our country and protect it from all enemies. God bless the United States of America. This was written by Kenneth L. 'Murer', Major, United States Air Force, retired and an American Legion life member."

"Thank you, Doris. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, when you enter these hallowed halls, as you enter, on your right, as you come in, there's a pillar there, and it bears the name of General Senator John A. Logan. Senator John A. Logan, I think, was also a Vice President, and he was the one that started Memorial Day. And to have that incident remembered in our doings today, We have Bruce Richmond who represents Murphysboro from whence General Logan came. So, we shall hear from Bruce Richmond on General Logan's Memorial Day speech."

"General John A. Logan was as native of Murphysboro in Jackson County, Illinois and was a Major General in the Civil War. He was three times Commander in Chief of the Grand Army of the Republic as well as a U.S. Senator and Member of the House of Representatives from Illinois. This is his General Order #11. "The 30th day of May, 1868 is designated for the purpose of strewing with flowers or otherwise decorating the graves of conrads who have died in 33  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 defense of their country during the late rebellion, and those bodies lie in almost every city, village and hamlet churchyard in the land. In this cbservance, no form of ceremony is prescribed, but posts and comrads will in their own way arrange such fitting services and testimonials of respect as circumstances may permit. We are organized comrads, as our regulations tell us, for the purpose, among other things, of preserving and strengthening those kind, fraternal feelings which have bound together soldiers, sailors and marines who united to supress the late rebellion. What can add more to assure this result than by cherishing tenderly the memory of our heroic dead who have made their breast a barricade between our country and its foes? Their soldiers' lives were the reveille of freedom to a race in chains and their deaths a tatoo of rebellious tyrany in arus. We should guard their graves with sacred vigilance. All that the concentrated wealth and taste of the nation can add to their adornment and security is but a fitting tribute to the memory of her slain defenders. Let no wanton foot tread rudely on such hallowed grounds. Let pleasant pass, invite the coming and going of reverent visitors and fond pourners. Let no vandalism of averse or neglect nor ravages of time testify to the present or to the coming generations that we have forgotten as a people the cost of a free and undivided republic. If other eyes glow dull and other hands slack and other hearts cold in the solemn trust, ours shall keep it well as long as the light and warmth of life remains to us. Let us then at the time appointed gather around their sacred remains and garland the passionless mounds above then with the choicest flowers of springtime. Let us raise above them the dear, old flag they saved from dishonor. Let us in their solemn presence renew our pledges to aid and assist those whom 34  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 they have left among us a sacred charge upon the nation's gratitude - the soldiers and sailors, widow and orphan. It is the purpose of the Commander in Chief to inaugurate this observance with the hope that it will be kept up from year to year, while a survivor of the war remains to honor the memory of his departed comrads. He earnestly desires the public to call attention to this Order and lend its friendly aid in bringing it to the notice of comrads in all parts of the country in time for simultaneous compliance therewith. Department Commanders will use every effort to make this Order effective by command of John A. Logan, Commander in Chief.""

"Thank you, Bruce. Well, we have one more song. We're going to have Helen Satterthwaite start the song off, and then we'll all join her. As I heard this song played over and over, it seems to be... the Star Spangled Banner over at the doings for the Unknown Soldier at Arlington. But before I go into that, I wanted to thank all the Republicans, the Chief of Staffs and the Assistant Deputy Chiefs commencing with Roger McAuliffe, Josephine Oblinger, Jeff Mays, Robert Piel, Bob Winchester and Fred Tuerk; and, on the Democratic side, Al Ronan, Wyvetter Younge, Charles Pangle, Dick Mulcahey, Don Saltsman and Bruce Farley. Now, back in the '20's, when I was a little tike, there was a preacher by the name of Billy Sunday. Now, Billy Sunday used to preach... He was a terrific preacher in those days; and, when he sent out the fellows with the tin cups, he'd say, "I don't want to hear a sound." And that's why, you know, I hope you all put in at least a buck. Those that donated over a dollar, say five and over, I'll give you a personal thanks later on. Alright. Now we're going to have Helen Satterthwaite sing her version of the song "America", and then we'll all join 35  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 her on the second chorus. Helen, take it away."

"I think we should probably all rise for this. Sings "America*."

"Thank you, Helen. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. This concludes cur program for 1984. Thank you."

"Representative McFike in the Chair. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I wonder if you would direct Representative Difrima to return to the podium for a minute?"

"Representative DiFrima, would you return to the podium for a minute?"

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we have just participated in the last Memorial Day ceremony which Representative DiFrima will organize and orchestrate. It was a beautiful ceremony. I know he puts a lot of time into it. I know that he has done that for many years. Beyond that, his loyalty to his Party, to his state and to his country have been something magnificent to behold. He has been a fixture in this House who has done very much for not only his constituents, but for a group he holds dear to his heart, the veterans of this country. He should be recognized for that, and we should all say to him that we're proud of what he has done and that we owe a debt of gratitude to him for his participation in this Assembly. Thank you, Larry."

"Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise to call for a Democratic Caucus immediately."

"How much time?"

"About one half hour."

"Representative Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have a Republican Conference 36  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day in Room 118 immediately."

"Be a Democratic Conference in Room 114, a Republican Conference in 118. The Rouse will stand in recess until 1:20. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, when we come back in, could you direct the Clerk to read for a second time Senate Fill 1657 on page five of the Calendar? We've put that on a fast track; and, unless we read it a second time today, we won't be able to continue it on the fast track."

"Thank you. The House will CODE to order. Representative Oblinger, for what reason do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask permission of the House, on page five, Senate Bills Second Reading, First Legislative Day, Senate Bill 1657 to be heard on the Second Legislative Day."

"The Lady moves to use the Attendance Boll Call to waive the appropriate rules to Love Senate Bill 1657 from Second Reading, First Legislative Day to Second Representative Reading. Are there any objections? Cullerton."

"Could you just explain for the record why you want to do that?"

"Bepresentative Oblinger."

"Representative Cullerton, this is the Bill on the Bedical Practice Act where they need the money and the authorization at the end of this month or they will not be able to send out the renewal licenses in time. It will have to be passed by tomorrow if we pass it."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Hearing no objections, leave is granted. The Attendance Roll Call will be used. Mr. Clerk, rea read the Bill a second tire."

"Senate Bill 1657, a Bill for an Act to amend 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day Sections of the Medical Practice Act. the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. May 30, 1984 Second Reading of Senate (sic House) Bills Third Reading, Special Subject Matter - Local Projects, appears Senate (sic House) Bill 2788, Representative Leverenz, page four of the Calendar. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate (sic House) Bill 2788, a Bill for an Act to make an appropriation to the Illinois Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, if we can correct the board, that is a House Bill."

"House Bill."

"House Bill 2788."

"House Bill 2788. Proceed."

"Would provide 200,000 dollars to fix Roosevelt Road and appropriates the money from the Road Fund. I'm sorry. That is North Avenue. Route 64 between Manheim Road and Harlem Avenue. And the following Bill will be for Roosevelt Road. Ask for your green vote."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 2788. And on that, the Gentleman from Bardin, Representative Winchester."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Gentleman yield to a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, did you support the gas tax increase? No. Scratch that question. I don't think that's a fair question to ask."

"You're right."

"Is this in the multi-year road program?" 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"It will be if I could write that book, too."

"What happens if... if we pass this Bill and it gets all the way through the process, and we've already got a Multi-Year Road Program designed out which Neaters in this House approve, does it mean that this 200,000 dollars is going to have to be taken away from some other road project probably in downstate, Galena, or Ottowa, or LaSalle/Peru, or East St. Louis, or Lawrenceville or someplace like that in order to take care of this road project for you?"

"Or one in Hardin."

"Well, I mean, isn't it true..."

"Well, only... that would be correct only if the Governor signed it instead of vetoing it."

"Well, what if he signs it? If he signs it, somebody is going to lose 200,000 dollars in road construction work in their district that they've already and we've already approved in a Multi-Year Road Program. Is that correct?"

"No, that is not correct. Anyone that has even an inkling of that if they would just stop by, I'd be very happy to put an additional wheel on this Bill..."

"Well, has the Department of Transportation indicated to you that they support this program... this... this Amendment?"

"Secretary Kramer is incognito, and unable to be reached and does not return my calls, but we'll try reach out for him through the end of May." to

"Well, I understand, Representative, that this... this road is in adequate condition right now, and that 200,000 dollars isn't even going to come close to take care of any of the problems that you might want to address. Have you any comment on that?"

"Yeah, the longer you talk, the more trouble your Bill's going to have in the morning." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

"Thank you." May 30, 1984

"Representative Leverenz moves for the passage of House Bill 2788. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2788 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 73 'ayes', 27 'nos', 7 voting 'present'. House Bill 2788, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2789, Representative Leverenz, page four of the Calendar. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2789, a Bill for an Act to appropriate funds to the Illinois Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2789 would appropriate 150,000 dollars from the Road Fund to repair Route 38 between Manheim Road and Harlem, and I don't know if Mr. Winchester would like to be a Cosponsor of this Bill, but we'd certainly entertain his total support and answer any questions he or any other Member may have."

"The Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 2789. On that, the Gentleman from Hardin, Representative Winchester."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I voted for the gas tax, and I think you did too. And I think you and I, probably, have every right in the world to sponsor Amendments to put additional projects in the Multi-Year Road Construction Program, but I'm not going to stand here and chastise Representative Leverenz because I think he's one of the finest Legislators and does an excellent job on the Appropriations Committee, and he's always trying to take 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 care of his district. But I still have to remind those Members that this 150,000 dollars that he's adding to the DOT appropriation Bill, it's going to mean somebody somewhere in this state is going to lose a 150,000 dollars in road construction projects because the Multi-Year Road Program is already... is already sealed, so to speak, in concrete, and it cannot be changed unless Amendments such as this. And it can't add additional dollars, so they have to take it away from someplace else. Sc if you want to run the risk of losing a road project in ycur district, then you want to vote for this."

"The Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Bureau, Bepresentative Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad to see that the "Batman and Robin Show" is back on track again. Representative Winchester and Leverenz, I have a suggestion. House Bill 2653 has got 400,000 dollars for a bat cave. You might want to take that out, and we'll put it here for these road programs."

"Bepresentative Leverenz moves for the passage of House Bill 2789. All those... The question is, "Shall House Bill 2789 pass?" All those in favor signify by voting "aye", opposed vote "no". Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 69 "ayes", 29 "nos", 8 voting "present". House Bill 2789, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3235, page four of the Calendar, Representative Brookins. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3235, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Comptroller. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day Brookins." May 30, 1984

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, we are requesting 1,000,000 dollars to be appropriated to the City of Chicago to support... of the... of Chicago programs - the summer long City fair. There are 15 weekends of events, and 75 neighborhood festival planned. The money would be alloted as follows. To upgrade the quality of programs and to produce for Lake Michigan water fronts events, we're asking 350,000 dollars for that. To upgrade the quality of programs in the production of neighborhood fests, we're asking 350,000 dollars, and to develop the quality of series of ethnic fairs on the northwest and southwest sides of Chicago and to hold three one-day senior citizens' fairs. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 3235. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Marzuki."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question for the Sponsor."

"He indicates he will yield."

"Where does this money come from?"

"From the General Fund."

"Further discussion? Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, could you explain why you think we ought to be appropriating money for parties rather than education?"

"Mr. Representative, let me say that this is nothing new, that this brings in people from all over the State of Illinois. The Governor, himself, is selling this same type program all over the State of Illinois and all over the country. We just had a 'The Buck Stops Here Program'." 42  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 This is in conjunction with that, and I think that this will benefit the State of illincis."

"Representative, why don't we just get this money out of the Arts Council?"

"There is none."

"There what?"

"There is no Arts Council."

"I think we ought to take this Fill out of the record until Representative Madigan's wife has a chance to discuss it with the Sponsor. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Bill, both because I think there ought to be an Arts Council and also because the Mayor of Chicago, y understanding is, is against Chicagofest, and this would lack to me to be a continuation of Chicagofest. And I don't think we need to be spending the money on that when we have... when the Mayor's against it and when the children in this state need mоnеу for education. I think this money could be much better spent on the Chicago Public School Syster than on a party this summer in Chicago."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Brookins, who will make the distribution of these funds?"

"There... There is a... In Chicago, there is Committee set up under the... Committee of Special Events. They will distribute the money."

"The Committee on Special Events?"

"A Department. I'm sorry. And that is controlled by the Council."

"Thank you." 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEPATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, as I recall the last time that a sizable amount of money was allocated ΟΣ appropriated to the Chicagofest, there was a provision which stated that a reporting of how those monies were spent would be delivered back to the General Assembly. Are those provisions in this Bill?"

"г. Bopp. let me make a... a little correction for you. This is not the Chicagofest. That's number one. And at this stage, no, that provision is not in the Bill."

"Hell, that was such a good provision that we had in the Chicagofest appropriation that it seems only natural that it ought to apply at this point in time to give the people of the state full understanding that the monies are being spent adequately and just not an outright 1,000,000 dollar gift."

"Mr. Ropp, let me point out to you that in the Bill there is set out where... and the amounts of the monies that it would be spent. The various spots and places in the Bill is not set out. Now, as you know, in the Chicago area, there's what they call a... Night. It's on the lake. It's usually in July. That will and is set out in the Bill. In the different ethnic communities, Humble Park, the Latin speaking have a picnic, and this money funds that. And that's what we're talking about City of Chicago." around the

"You have to have money just to have a picnic?"

"You bet your sweet life."

"who all do you invite? invited to come up?" I mean are... are some of us

"Oh, sure you are. Sure you are. Now in the northwest 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 side, in that ethnics community, they have a fest and everyone is invited. I think that you saw on TV where they came in from all the suburbs, DuPage and all the places, them good places came into Chicago and celebrated at Navy Pier. This is what we're talking about."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Further Representative Braun. Chair." discussion? The Lady from Cook,

Representative Greiman in the Braun: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this proposition and urge your support and 'yes' vote for House Bill 3235. The fact of the matter is that this is in line and in keeping with the current thinking about the value of tourism and special events to the economy of this entire state. I would remind Representative Vinson that the Governor has come in himself this time to the General Assembly and asked... and will be asking for millions of dollars, a multi-million dollar budget, for tourism to promote tourism in Illinois. Well, the fest program that is set forth in House Bill 3235 does just that for Chicago and sets up a number of different events which... for which the participation of all citizens of the State of Illinois and particularly from people outside of the... outside of the state is invited. The history of these activities in the state has been checkered; but, at the same time, the potential is there for this to be a money-making enterprise for the entire state to bring in out-of-state dollars, to bring in dollars from people from all over this region to help support the economy of the State of Illinois. So I would encourage your support for this legislation on the grounds that tourism is good business for Illinois."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Hardin, 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 127th Legislative Day Mr. Winchester."

May 30, 1984 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill appropriates 1,000,000 dollars... 1,060,000 dollars, beg your pardon, from the General Revenue Fund, I repeat, General Revenue Fund. And it says that the money will be distributed by the Mayor of Chicago in consultation with the City Council, I repeat, distributed by the Mayor of Chicago. Eut to add insult to injury, there's only 60,000 dollars for downstate 1,000,000 for Chicago, 60,000 for the Illinois Valley Music Fesitival in Spring Valley, which I understand is a good, worthwhile project and probably should support. I only point this out just to show you the discrepancy again between Chicago and downstate Illinois - 1,000,000 for Chicago: 60,000 for downstate."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"To the Bill. House Bill... 3235 is a very, very good Bill for you to support. As a matter of fact, in about two weeks, we will find that this money has been housed in the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs; and, Representative Brookins, nc one contacted him from the Governor's Office asking how he felt that the budget should be made up for Commerce and Community Affairs. And to that end, the Gentleman has introduced a Bill to direct this money to where it will do the Best good. And if you compare the allotment for Spring Valley that Representative Finchester did and the total appropriation, you'll find out that the percentages are the same to the population that it serves. We'll get this money back. So everybody on this Bill can vote #green*."

Fill Speaker Greiman: "The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan."

"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a couple of questions?" 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Brookins, this is a million dollars to fund what projects in the City of Chicago?"

"It's... One million dollars. It will fund the Lake Michigan water front events for 350,000 dollars. It will upgrade the quality of programs in the neighborhoods, 350 (sic - 350,000), and develop quality ethnic fairs on the northwest and southwest side that's 2... 200,000 dollars and hold a three day senior citizens' fair."

"Is this a new policy for the state to fund these kinds of programs?"

"No, it is not. It's my understanding that they've... have always funded it."

"I'm not aware in any previous budgets that we put in money for fests. I know the City of Chicago has had a history, especially during the previous administration where we had various neighborhood festivals, and 'Taste of Chicago' and things like that that weren't funded by state money. What's... What's the deal? How come this administration in Chicago right now needs state money?"

"Chicagofest was in the budget before, it is my understanding, for a half a million dollars. So I think that you're wrong."

"That money came out of the Ag Premium Fund as opposed out of General Revenue Fund."

"I... Money is money."

"Yeah, well. Money is money, and that's why we're all Legislators. And that's why we've got to do what's right for our neighborhood. I urge all the Members on my side of the aisle to vote 'no' on this Bill."

"Yes, but... your area. That's the northwest side, isn't it?"

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman." 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

May 30, 1984 "Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I did just want to clarify the point that this is not precedent setting, that the... legislation like this has been approved by the General Assembly in the past, specifically 500,000 dollars for Chicagofest. In fact, if my recollection serves me correctly, the Gentleman who just got through speaking and urging a 'no" vote used speak in favor of that legislation, and I'Ⅱ sure that now that his memory is refreshed he'll be happy to support this fine piece of legislation." to

"The Gentleman frem Grundy, Mr. Christensen."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman from Grundy Doves the previous question be put. All in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the previous question will be put. Nr. Brookins, to close."

"I urge an *aye vote on this, because it will bring monies and funds into the State of Illinois. It will help US quell the unrest in the community... City of Chicago. It is beneficial to the suburbs. So I... I DOVE for the 'aye vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Shaw, to explain his vote. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 29 voting aye, 66 voting 'no', 9 voting "present", and this Bill, having failed receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. No. It needs several more votes before it could be put on that. Thank you, Ms. Braun. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, will DOW consider Bills on the Special Subject Matter to WE Order of Capital 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Development, and on that Order of Eusiness appears House Bill 2638, on page two of the Calendar. Mr. Vinson, are you going to take that? Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2638, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Capital Development Board and Southern Illinois University. Third Beading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2638 appropriates 107.5 million dollars for new capital projects for the Capital Development Board for Fiscal Year 1985. This appropriation is approximately 51.5 million dollars less than the 1984 capital appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Now, significant areas which are included in this Bill are the Department of Corrections for approximately 45 million dollars, Higher Education for 11 million, Mental Health for 17 million, Agriculture for one million, Rehabilitative Services for one million, Conservation for four million, Military and Naval for one million, six hundred thousand, the Joint Agency Laboratory for 13 million and certain other accumulated things for about two million. What those basically include are construction of a new prison in Galesburg - a medium security facility, construction... construction of a program center at Pontiac to... to reduce the idle time for inmates, construction of a new laboratory in Springfield for the Departments of Public Health and Nuclear Safety, the Illincis EPA and the SIU School of Medicine, construction at Elgin Mental Health Center for... of two Dev residents units and a forensic unit, construction of a residential unit at Zeller Mental Health Center, rehabilitation of the David Davis Mansion in Bloomington, exterior stone work at the State Capitol 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Building, remodeling for a microelectronic research center at the University of Illinois, foundation and wall construction at Governor State University and renovation of White and Kilbern cottages at Elgin Mental Health Center. In addition to that, Members have attached the following... the following significant items. Bepresentative Leverenz added an appropriation for four million dollars at Triton Community College. Representatives Woodyard and Mauting added 371,000 dollars for a swine station at Western Illinois University and 95,000 dollars for beef, cow and calf facility at Western Illincis University. 550,000 dollars has been added for the athletic facility at Illinois State University. 25,000 dollars bas been added to the Military and Naval Department. 38... I'm sorry. That 25,000 dollars was a cut at Military and Naval. There is a... There are 2,500,000 dollars for conversion of St. Mary's Hospital in LaSalle to a veterans' care facility, and 6,000,000 dollars for... Okay. That... Those are the major items in the Bill, and I would move for favorable consideration on the new Capital appropriation Bill."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt moves for the passage of House Bill 2638. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none... Yes, Mr. Leverenz, the Gentleman from Cook,"

"Only to indicate everything is right. Bequest your 'green' vote."

"The guestion is, 'Shall this Bill pass?" All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is DOW open. Have all vcted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 95 voting 'aye", 5 voting 'no", 5 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Special Subject Matter - Capital Development appears House Bill 2649. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2649, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Capital Development Board. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is the appropriation to the Capital Development Board for its Fiscal Year '85 ordinary and contingent expense. It is not the... the capital per se, but rather the ordinary expenses of the agency. After Committee action, this Bill has 4,525,000 dollars in it. That is a change of approximately... approximately 11% increase from last year. I would move for favorable action on House Bill 2649."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt moves for the passage of House Bill 2649. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Under the Capital Development Board which controls all of the construction in the state of major buildings such as the Willard Ice Revenue Center here in the fabulous town of Springfield, they decorated the atrium in the lobby of that building with something that is hardly identifiable, but I understand that the statue has a nickname. Does the Sponsor know the name of the statue?"

"Is this Trivial Pursuit?"

"I hardly..."

"It's not a category included in the game, Representative."

"Hardly. It would be trivial if it didn't cost so much." 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 127th Legislative Day

"No, I don't know the name."

May 30, 1984 "Do you know how much it cost to purchase that statue? Was that under the one half of one percent of construction funds must be dedicated for fine art in a building?"

"Yes. My understanding is that is cost approximately 150,000 dollars and that it was under the program you refer to."

"DG you know now the nickname of the statue? For 150,000 it is not trivial."

"I... I am advised that the name of the statue is Moky Dick." Leverenz: to #150,000 dollars of state money in a new building that has an atrium that... would be proud of, and the statue, you paid 150,000 dollars to get Moby Dick down here in two semi-trailers. I would certainly suggest that you talk the Capital Development Board about how they go an supervising the projects in state buildings, because this might bring some discredit to their operation. Thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Fill, there are 103 voting 'aye, 4 voting 'no", 4 voting present', and this Bill, having received... Ms. Nelson 'aye'. On this Pill, there are 104 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no", 4 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Special Subject Matter Capital Development appears House Fill 2739. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Curran."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to bring this Bill back to Second Reading for purpose of a series of Amendments." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

May 30, 1984 "The Gentleman from Sangamon moves... asks leave for the House to return the Fill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? He has leave. The Bill is on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk."

"Amendment #1, Satterthwaite, arends House Fill 2739 on page one and so forth."

"The Lady from Champaign, Ns. Satterthwaite."

". Speaker and Members of the House, the Amendment would provide 1.35 million dollars of Capital Development money for the completion of the Veterinary Medicine Science Building on the U cf I campus in Urbana. Currently, the shell of the building is there and part of the interior has been finished, but part of it still needs to be funded, and this Atendment would do that. I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"The Lady from Champaign moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2739. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Did you put another Amendment an? Gr is this Amendment... What... How does this relate to Amendment 1 or is this different?"

"This is Amendment 1."

"Why didn't this go in the new projects budget? 2738.1

"This project was... This project was approved by the Board of Higher Education but was not approved through the Eureau of the Budget." Leverenz; "What is the... Is there a status of projects, and where does this rank on the status of projects?"

"This is one of the highest priorities for the University for additional projects. There is a greenhouse project, but my understanding is that it would cost nine million dollars ΟΓ more, and I'm not requesting that at 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day this time although it's also a high pricrity."

May 30, 1984 "Now, the Department of Revenue should share their greenhouse at the new Willard Ice Euilding with you. It's about nine million."

"It may be a little difficult being 90 miles from the campus, but we'd be happy to bave them share it."

"Is this the... Is the old Food for Century 3?"

"Yes, this is part of the Food for Century 3 Project."

"Then to the Amendment, Speaker. I would hope everyone would give it an 'aye vote."

"The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Winchester."

"I'm a little confused in that I look at the House Bill 2739 and it appropriates 13 million dollars to CDB for the construction of a joint laboratory facility in Springfield. And the Amendment does the same thing? What does the Amendment..."

"No, Sir. The Amendment is for completion of the Veterinary Medicine Science Building in Urbana for the U of 1."

"Oh, in Urbana. Did... Were you able to obtain any reason from the Bureau of the Budget as to why it was eliminated from their list of priority projects?"

"Well, I presume they had some kind of a dollar cutoff, and the cutoff came previous to this project. I will say that there is currently funds that have been released for completing part of the interior of this building, but this would finish up the interior of the building and allow the complete utilization of it. It has not..."

"Then there has been capital funds already spent on a... on this project over at the U of 1."

"There have been capital funds on the building, 54  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 but not enough to complete it."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, Hannig, amends House Bill 2739."

"The Gentleman from Macoupin, Mr. Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This Amendment would appropriate 280,000 dollars or as much as needed to build a shower facility at the state park, Beaver Dam State Park, in Macoupin County. This is a very fine facility that they have there. It provides for overnight camping, fishing, a lot of good recreation, but unfortunately it needs to have... needs to have stalls for showers; and, with this Amendment, it will have so. So I would move the Amendment's adoption."

"The Gentleman from Macoupin moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2739. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Yes, Representative, in the course of your explanation, I happened to be chatting with Representative Leverenz here, and I didn't hear exactly what you said. This... This is an appropriation for a bunch of beavers to take a shower at some state park?"

"Well, not quite, but close. It... It provides for shower stalls at Beaver Dam State Park in Macoupin County."

"Mr. Speaker, to the Amendment." 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day

"Proceed, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would respectfully submit to the Body that we have to deal with these things in some kind of systematic process, that we ought to sit down in the course of the process and have the agency come in with a reasonable series of things to do. If we go willy-nilly throwing in showers for particular state parks, we're going to be here until mid-August, and so I would urge a 'no' vote on this particular Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Winchester."

"Would the Gentleman yield to a question?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Hannig, I had a shower added to my home not too long ago, and it cost me less than 300 dollars. How may shower stalls do you want to build at this particular site that's going to cost 200,000?"

"Well, I'd point out that the Amendment simply says, '$280,000 or as much as may be necessary'. Obviously, they have to go out and... and study the site, and see where the best facilities would be, get the water lined up and then... and actually build the project. I would hope that it would not cost nearly that much."

"Well, wait a minute. Has the Department... Have you discussed this with the Department of Conservation? I mean... Do they have... Are they receptive to this idea, or this is just an idea that you and some of your constituents have come up with?"

"This is an idea that several constituents that I represent asked me to introduce. It's a fine park, but unfortunately, for people who camp overnight, it's often difficult for them to find showers, and I suppose after you've camped out for several days you find that perhaps a shower would be appropriate." 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Okay. I would think though with those 30,000 dollar campers, they would have their own showers in the campers. But what you're saying is is that you have not, in fact, discussed this with the Department of Conservation, let alone the Capital Development Board or the Bureau of the Budget. Is that correct?"

"It is correct, and I have just had this brought to my attention in the last few weeks, but I do intend to try to pursue it with those agencies."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Macoupin, to close."

"Yes, I'd just ask for your 'yes' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair... Alright. We'll have a Roll Call on that. We'll have a Roll Call on it. Alright. All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Amendment, there are 56 voting 'aye', 44 'no', 3 voting 'present'. This Bill... This Amendment is hereby adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #3, DeJaegher, amends House Bill 2739 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. DeJaegher."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly. All I ask for is a slight appropriation. Many of you throughout the State of Illinois has probably heard of or recognized Moline, Illinois, at one time the basket capital in the State of Illinois. Probably one of the oldest field houses and probably one of them that was first constructed was Wharton Field House. All I'm asking for is an 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 appropriation of 75,000 dollars so that building's roof can be maintained so that basketball cculd still be permitted at that facility."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island has moved for the adoption of Amendment 3 to House Bill 2739. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted? All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Prummer, amends House Bill 2739."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Brummer."

"Yes. This Bill is the appropriation Bill following the authorization Bill that we passed here, I think, 112 to nothing in House Bill 2574, I think, addressing the issue of funds for school buildings that have been condemned prior to January 1, 19... 1984. It is a 6,000,000 dollar appropriation. If you recall the authorization, it was a transfer from the Debt Service Fund tc authorize construction or renovation of these buildings that have been condemned, and I would ask for a favorable vote."

"The Gentleman from Effingham moves for the adoption of Amendment 4 to House Bill 2739. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Ryder."

"I would ask for an 'aye vote. It's important to have the appropriation to follow the authorization we had last week."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 4 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Floor Amendment #5, John Dunn, amends House Bill 2739 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an Amendment for an appropriation for the purposes of reimbursing county jails which are mandated by the State of Illinois to improve their jails pursuant to state and federal mandates, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman from Macon moves for the adoption of Amendment 5 to House Bill 2739. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. First of all, I would respectfully request that the Chair grant a Roll Call Vote on this particular Amendment. I ask that because I rise in opposition to this Amendment for important reasons. This Assembly, this House, defeated the substantive legislation authorizing the sale of bonds for this purpose. There cannot be an appropriation without a substantive authorization for those bonds. Now, we chose not to engage in this new program. We chose not to engage ourselves in a process of deficit funding. We chose not to engage ourselves in a process of creating new entitlements. That was the language actually in the substantive legislation. We ought follow through on our determination not to sink ourselves any further in debt than we need to for purposes of protecting future generations, and we can best do that at this point now by rejecting this Amendment. I would urge a 'no' vote, a Roll Call vote and request a verification should the Amendment appear to succeed."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?". 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"How would grants, Representative Dunn, be made?" Dunn,

"The grants will be made in accordance with the substantive legislation that Representative... the previous Speaker was discussing."

"Eut are these the jails that are condemned or not in compliance?" Dunn, J.: "These are only to... for the capital improvement aspect of mandated construction costs to county jails which are under mandate from the State of Illinois or the Federal Government through the State of Illinois, and this is legislation which is advanced in pursuance of the State Mandates Act. We talk a lot arcund here about not mandating things on local governments unless we will pay for them, and this legislation is in strict conformance with that concept."

"Then it's time... To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. It's time that we put our money where our mouth is and that we fund the mandates that we apply to units of local government. Since the Gentleman previously has asked for a... a Roll Call and a verification, I would hope that our Members would be in a position in their chaire so that they could vote 'green' and get the money in the Eill."

"Further discussion? There being nche, MI. Dunn, to close." Dunn, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Simply in closing, I would ask for a favorable Boll Call and indicate it was mentioned in discussion that the substantive legislation is... is bogged dowE. Eut as we know, no Bill is dead until the Session is over, and all we need is to send a clear message and this Fill will spring out. It is a concept that is needed. I urge an 'aye vote." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

May 30, 1984 "The question is, 'Shall Amendment 5 to House Bill 2739 be adopted?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nc'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. The Gentleman from Macon requests a Poll of the Absentees. The Gentleman from Sangamon, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Would you change my vote to 'aye¹?"

"Mr. Curran votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, poll the... 49. Ms. Markette votes 'aye'. So we are now at, what, 49 to Mr. Tuerk votes 'no'. Mr. Clerk, poll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Ferrios. Bullock. Capparelli. Ralph Dunn. Dwight Friedrich. Harris. Krska. Matijevich. Nash. Neff. Preston. Steczo. Terzich. White. Winchester. And Zwick. No further."

"On this... On this Amendment, there are 48 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendment? Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Wait a minute. Wait a minute here. I asked for a Poll of the Absentees, and I have a right to verify the Roll Call. I'm on the losing side. And first of all, I think the... I think... my understanding is that it's 49 to 50 at this point."

"Well, the Clerk tells me it's 48 to 49, Mr. Dunn. But you do have a right to poll... to verify the Affirmative Roll Call... Negative Roll Call." Dunn, J.: "I would like to verify the Negative Roll Call."

"Mr. Clerk, Mr. White votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, proceed... Mr. Berrios votes 'aye'. Mr. Nash votes 'aye'. Alright. We now have... Mr. Preston votes 'aye'. Alright. We now have 52 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', and Representative Vinson requests a verification of the 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Affirmative Boll. Friedrich votes... Υ٤٤. Mr. Friedrich votes "no", Yes, Mr. Vinson, Mr. Nash would like to be verified. Leave to be verified. Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"A question of the Clerk, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Tuerk... Representative Tuerk switched from 'nc*... from aye to no."

"Yes, we got him."

"and then... But... No. Three people then went 'yes'. None of them were... They were all off the Roll Call, SO that would bring them up to one over, and I was just wondering if... if you'd check his figures one more time."

"Yes. Ms. Zwick. Ms. Zwick vote nc". a Alright. The count, I'm advised by the Clerk, is 52 voting aye, 52 voting 'no". Mr. Dunn asks for verification of the Negative Roll Call. Mr. Clerk, proceed to verify the Negative Roll Call."

"Poll of the negative. Farger. Barnes. Brookins. Brunsvold. Churchill. Countryman. Cowlishaw. Daniels. Davis. DeJaegher. Deuchler. Didrickson. Eving. Flinn. Virginia Frederick. Dwight Friedrich. Hallock. Hastert. Hawkinson. Hensel. Hoffman. Homer. Johnson. Karpiel. Kirkland. Klemm. Koehler. Mays. McAuliffe. McCracken. Mulcahey. Nelson. Oblinger. Olson. Fangle. Farcells. Bernard Pedersen. William Peterson. Fiel. Pullen. Ropp. Ryder. Saltsman. Slape. Tate. Topinka. Tuerk. Vinson.. Wait. Wojcik. Woodyard. And Zwick."

"The Gentleman from Macon, questions of the Negative Roll Call." Dunn, J.: "Barger." Speaker Greiman: aisles." "Mr. Barger is in the... back there in the Dunn, J.: "Barnes." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

May 30, 1984 "Ms. Barnes is... Ms. Barnes in the chamber? How is the Lady voted?"

"The Lady's recorded as voting 'no'."

"Remove her from the Roll." Dunn, J.: "DeJaegher."

"DeJaegher. Mr. DeJaegher is in the aisle." Dunn, J.: "Deuchler."

"Ms. Deuchler is in her seat." Dunn, J.: "Ewing."

"Mr. Ewing. Mr. Ewing in the chamber? How is Mr. Ewing recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'no'."

"Remove Mr. Ewing from the Roll." Dunn, J.: "Flinn."

"Mr. Flinn. Mr. Flinn is in his chair." Dunn, J.: "Mr. Friedrich. Dwight Friedrich."

"Mr. Friedrich. I can't see. Mr. Friedrich in the chamber? Oh, he's in his chair. He's hiding there. He's in his chair though. Proceed, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Hoffman."

"Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Hoffman in the chamber? How is Mr. Hoffman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'no'."

"Remove Mr. Hoffman." Dunn, J.: "Karpiel."

"Ms. Karpiel is in her chair." Dunn, J.: "Koehler."

"Ms. Koehler is in her chair." Dunn, J.: "McAuliffe."

"Mr. McAuliffe. Is Mr. McAuliffe in the chamber? How is Mr. McAuliffe recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'no'."

"Remove Mr. McAuliffe." 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day Dunn, J.: "Mulcahey."

May 30, 1984 "Mr. Hoffman has returned to the chamber. Mr. Mulcahey. Mr. Mulcahey is in the rear of the chamber." Dunn, J.: "Fangle."

"Mr. Fangle is in his seat." Dunn, J.: "Mr. B. Federsen."

"Mr. Pedersen is in this chair." Dunn, J.: "Piel."

"Mr. Fiel is in his chair." Dunn, J.: "Fullen."

"Ms. Pullen is at the arm of her chair." Dunn, J.: "Ryder."

"Mr. Byder is at... behind his chair." Dunn, J.: "Wait."

"Mr. Wait is in his chair." Dunn, J.: "Woodyard."

"Mr. Woodyard is in... is at his seat." Dunn, J.: "Zwick."

"Zwick. Ms. Zwick is in her chair." Dunn, J.: "And Daniels."

"Who was the last one, Mr...." Dunn, J.: "Daniels."

"Mr. Daniels. Well, Mr. Daniels is right here as always in the aisle." Dunn, J.: "Okay. That's it."

"Alright. Mr. McAuliffe has returned to the chamber." Dunn, J.: "No further requests, Mr. Speaker. Take the Roll."

"Yes, Mr. Winchester, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, how am I recorded, Mr. Speaker?"

"How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's not recorded as voting." 64  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Winchester: "Record me as voting 'no'." May 30, 1984

"Record Mr. Winchester 'no'. Mr. Mulcahey. Record Mr. Mulcahey from 'no' to 'aye'. Mr. Ewing has returned to the chamber. Return him to the Roll. Alright. On this Amendment, there are 53 voting 'aye', 51 voting 'no', and Mr. Vinson asks for a verification of the Affirmative Roll. Mr. Clerk, proceed to verify the Affirmative Roll."

"Poll of the affirmative. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Eraun."

"Ms. Younge asks leave to be verified. Does she have leave? Yes, Ms. Eraun... Ms. Younge."

"Breslin."

"Mr. Marzuki, for what purpose do you seek..."

"Leave."

"Mr. Marzuki would ask leave to be verified. Alright. You have leave."

"Continuing with the poll of the affirmative. Brummer. Christensen. Curran. Currie. DiPrima. Domico. Doyle."

"Ms. Currie asks leave to be verified. Ms. Currie. Ms. Currie, you have leave."

"John Dunn. Farley. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Huff. Jaffe. Keane. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Markette. Marzuki. Mautino. McGann. McMaster. Mulcahey. Nash."

"Yes, Mr. Mulcahey, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"I think I'll go back to 'no', Mr. Speaker."

"Mulcahey goes from 'aye', returns to 'no'. Mr. Steczo votes 'aye'."

"Continuing with the poll of the affirmative. Panayotovich. Pierce. Preston. Bea. Rhem. Nash. Bice. 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day Richmond. Ronan. Taylor. Turner. Satterthwaite. May 30, 1984 Shaw. Steczo. Stuffle. Van Duyne. Vitek. White. Wolf. Younge. And Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Steczo asks leave to be verified. May be? Mr. Steczo has leave. Proceed, Mr. Vinson. Questions of the Affirmative Roll Call."

"Representative Hicks."

"Mr. Hicks is in his chair."

"Mr. Jaffe."

"Mr. Jaffe is here at the door."

"Mr. Keane."

"Mr. Keane is in his chair."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Mr. Kulas. Mr. Kulas is in his chair. I see an arm waving."

"Mr. Leverenz."

"Mr. Leverenz is in his chair."

"Mr. Levin."

"Mr. Levin. Is Mr. Levin in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Levin from the Roll Call."

"Mr. Bonan."

"Mr. Ronan. Mr. Bonan in the chamber? How is Mr. Ronan... Mr. Bonan is here at the door."

"Mr. Taylor."

"Mr. Taylor. Mr. Taylor is at the rear of the chamber."

"Mr. Van Duyne."

"Mr. Van Duyne is just at his seat."

"Mr. Wolf."

"Mr. Wolf is right here in the well. Mr. Vitek asks leave for verification. You have leave, Sir. 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 127th Legislative Day Proceed."

"Mr. Brummer."

"Mr. Brummer. Mr. Brummer is at the rear of the chamber."

"Mr. Domico."

"Mr. Domico. Is Mr. Domico in the chamber? How is Mr. Domico recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Domico."

"Mr. Farley."

"Mr. Farley is in his chair."

"Mr. Giglio."

"Mr. Giglio. Mr. Giglio. Is Mr. Giglio in the chamber? How is Mr. Giglio recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Giglio from the Roll."

"Mr. Hannig."

"Mr. Hannig is in... is behind his seat."

"I have no further questions."

"On this Amendment, there are 50 voting 'aye', 52 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Topinka - Terzich, amends House Bill 2739 on page one and so forth."

"Is the Lady from Cook, Ms. Topinka here? Ms. Topinka, you going to take that? Alright. Proceed. The Lady from Cook, Ms. Topinka."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw Amendment #6, please."

"Amendment #6 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, McPike, amends House Bill 2739 as amended." 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"The Gentleman from Madison, Majority Leader McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In FY '83 and FY '84, the number one project on the Illinois Community College Board list of capital projects was a new library for Lewis and Clark College. Last year, we put that on the Governor's desk, and he vetoed it. This year, the number one priority for the Illinois Community College Board is again a... a library for Lewis and Clark College. This year, however, instead of providing 3.5 million dollars in new money for a new library, we are providing 1.9 million dollars to expand and refurbish the current library. I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman from Madison has moved for the adoption of Amendment 7 to House Bill 2739. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Topinka - Terzich, amends House Bill 2739."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Topinka."

"Yes, Amendment #8, which is formerly #6 which had been technically incorrect, adds 250,000 dollars to the Capital Development Board for the restoration of Hoffman Tower State Memorial in the Village of Lyons, which impacts also on the Village of Riverside as well as on the incorporated area of Riverside Lawn. It is something that all the locals have participated with on a regular basis, and now we'd like the state to help as well."

"The Gentleman from... The Lady from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment 8 to House Bill 2739. Is 68  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Curran. Do you have a Motion, Sir? Mr. Curran, in order to have this heard today, the Bill has just been placed back on Third Reading, it requires a Motion. No, you want to hold the... Alright. Yes, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Mr. Giorgi, the Gentleman from Winnebago?"

"Mr. Speaker, there's been a rumor abound that the... the 13th Annual Grid Iron Dinner has been sold out, but that's not the case. There are some tickets available. It will held at the Springfield Hilton Hotel. Festivities begin at 6:30, dinner at 7:30, and there are tickets available. Contact your nearest press person."

"Thank you, Mr. Giorgi. Now, on the Order of Special Subject Matter - Capital Development appears House Bill 2765. Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson moves... Is that correct, Mr. Vinson, you want to return this? Mr. Vinson requests leave of the House to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and the Bill's on Second... No, Mr. Vinson. Turn Mr. Vinson on. What would you like? What is your pleasure, Sir."

"Mr. Speaker, I don't want to take it back to Second Reading. I'm ready to move it on Third."

"Alright."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House."

"Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. I haven't yet called on 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day you. I just... I did take it out... for a moment. Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2765, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Capital Development Board and Southern Illinois University for permanent improvements, grants and related purposes. Third Beading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. House Bill 2765 is the reappropriation Bill. I repeat, the reappropriation Bill, for the Capital Development Board. It reappropriates 405,000,000 dollars to CDB for Fiscal Year '85 for several projects. Included in Committee action are a 15,000,000 dollar reappropriation for the new medium security facility in Lincoln, and 115,000 in a modified lump sum for the following armories: Carbondale, Effingham, Sycamore and Waukegan. I would move for favorable action on House Bill 2765."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt moves for passage of House Bill 2765. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"To the Bill. There... All of the projects are reappropriations meaning that we've considered them all at one time or another. There is, and I would only indicate to the Sponsor, a slight problem that might come down his way, and that is not personal, but to the Capital Development Board. With the Amenduent dealing with Southern Illinois University, it's the first time that we're allowing them to purchase a building rather than lease. So we are changing that to some degree. And there is a request from the Legislator of that district to investigate through the Audit Commission the problems surrounding the original lease on the building that caused so much of a stink in the newspapers doan there. So, I 70  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ May 30, 1984 just want to let you know that there is a little extra in there from anything that we've discussed before. I would ask everyone to vote 'green' on this Bill."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Brummer."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield, please?"

"Indicates that he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Vinson, what was the reappropriation for our project in Effingham?"

"I beg your pardon?"

"I thought I heard you say there was a reappropriation for projects in a number of areas. One of those areas was Effingham. Would you indicate the project there?"

"Yes. There is a reappropriation, a modified lump sum which includes for Effingham 13,000 dollars for an armory facility there."

"Is that the kitchen facility? Do you know? Can you determine from the language?"

"I am advised by staff that you are correct. It is the kitchen."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Winchester."

"You probably can't answer this, Sam, but can you tell me exactly what Floor Amendment #5 does?"

"What what does, Representative?"

"It would be Floor Amendment #5. It's sponsored by Representative Dunn and Representative Richmond, but Representative Dunn's not here. Perhaps Representative Richmond could yield."

"That is the language... I believe Representative Leverenz knows more about it, but I believe it's the language..." 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

"Mr. Vinson will yield now to May 30, 1984 Representative Leverenz for the purpose of responding to the question. Mr. Leverenz, the Gentleman from Cock."

"Yes. Representative, that is a reappropriation of the money, because they have not settled on a storage facility. You'll remember the building they wanted to lease. This now expands and gives them the option to lease or buy."

"So apparently the Amendment added the words 'or buy'. Is that correct?"

"The new language permits the construction of a library storage facility."

"Is this the Amendment that you made reference to that there could be some controversy and that the Audit Commission was investigating it?"

"That is correct."

"I agree with you very much and be most happy to discuss that controversy with you. I happen to believe that this state, and the Capital Development Board and Southern Illinois University should honor its obligations, but obviously that's not going to happen. And the University has to have a library storage facility, so I would... I would support the Amendment. But there is some very serious questions that needs to be answered as to what SIU, CDB and how they handled that particular issue with the folks who own the building in Marion, Illinois."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 94 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Alright. We are now changing the Order 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 of Business and going to the Order of House Bills Third Reading, nonappropriation Fills. Cn page four of your Calendar appears House Bill 3128. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Leone: cone: "House Bill 3128, a Eill for an Act in relationship to boards and commissions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan. Yes, Mr. Jaffe, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Just a parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. How did this particular Bill get on the Calendar on Third Reading? I thought that nonappropriation Bills were dead as of last week."

"This Bill was... A Motion was carried last week to extend the... to suspend the rule as far as this Pill was concerned, Mr. Jaffe. Alright. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan. Mr... Mr. Daniels. I'm sorry. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 which..."

"Mr. Daniels, excuse me. The Bill is on Third Beading. So, we'll have to return."

"Okay. Well, I thought you had returned it."

"Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, asks leave of the House to return the Bill tc the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is hereby granted. Mr. Clerk, Amendments?"

"Arendment #1, Daniels Madigan, amends House Bill 3128."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"..."

"Minority Leader Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the die 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 is cast. We have reached what I think is an excellent agreement, as to Amendment #1, for the formulation of the operation of the legislative business under the necessary functions of our Legislature in the operation. Amendment #1, before you, contains a provision that kills - and I emphasize - kills all commissions, all single-purpose study commissions, all other commissions in the State of Illinois. It creates a Legislative Service Bureau comprised of the four elected Leaders. It creates three staff service divisions; a service unit, research and policy analysis, executive financial review and creates three legislative advisory boards, with membership on those boards specified. I believe you will find, in having gone through the proposal, having received the Amendment and each respective Party having an opportunity to review Amendment #1 to 3128, that this is an Amendment that deserves your support. It meets the problems that were raised as a result of the investigation by the House Republican Policy Committee, problems raised in the area of duplication, failure of public accessability, lack of accountability, excessive contractual services with no legislative overview. Speaker Madigan and I, in offering this Amendment to you, are recommending to you the adoption of Amendment #1 so that the Amendment may become law when it passes the House; and, hopefully, it will be accepted by the Senate. We think this Amendment, having been worked carefully by our respective staffs, is worthy of your support and consideration. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman from DuPage has moved for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 3128. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Mulcahey." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

"Question of the Sponsor." May 30, 1984

"He indicate he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Daniels, what is the... what would be the status, if this Amendment were adopted, of the commissions that are currently on the books in the state?"

"All..."

"Would this eliminate any commissions?"

"Yes."

"How many?"

"All of them."

"It would eliminate every single commission."

"Yes."

"And it would be replaced with what?"

"As I stated before and as I believe that it was covered in your Conference, it would be placed... replaced by a Legislative Service Bureau, and that Legislative Service Bureau would be comprised of the four elected Leaders, creating three staff service divisions; a service unit, research and policy analysis and executive financial review unit."

"Then who would carry on the work that these commissions have been doing for a number of years?"

"The employees that would be employed to operate under these three divisions."

"And those employees would be selected by whom?"

"Generally speaking, you'd find many of the employees that are, say for instance, in the Reference Bureau today would probably continue on. But the employees ultimately would be responsible to the four elected Leaders."

"Thank you."

"You're welcome."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

"Mr. Speaker May 30, 1984 and Members of the House, you know, I think as you vote on this particular Amendment - don't kid yourself. You're not voting for reform in this particular instance. I would say to the Members of this House that in no Legislative Body in the entire free world do Legislators have less power than they have in the Illinois General Assembly. Members of the Illinois General Assembly cannot even go out and select their own secretaries. They have absolutely no control over any staff at all. If you're a Committee Chairperson, you have no power over who is your staff person and who is not your staff person. All power essentially is in the hands of Leadership. And what this Amendment does is it basically says we're going to consolidate that power even further. What little power you actually have we're now going to take away from you, and what we're going to do now is we're going to put it in the hands of our leaders. Now, I realize we have a great hysteria at this moment, because there was a television program that talked about commissions. However, I would admonish the Members of this General Assembly to understand that what you do now is sort of irreversible. You know, it may be that we have benevolent Leaders at this particular moment in history. The next Leaders may not be so benevolent. I think to vote for an Amendment like this at this time, without proper study, without looking into each individual commission and so on and so forth and to base your vote on the Republican report, which in all... which in all candor I have to tell you is sort of laughable, because the Members of that particular Commission said one thing when they were holding hearings and another thing when they issued the report. I think that this particular Amendment is sheer..., folly; and, when you vote for this particular Amendment, you are not going to be voting for 76  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 reform. What you are really voting for is the destruction of the power of of the individual Member in the General Assembly, and I would urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Nr. Johnson."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I don't know all the forces that combined to produce this proposal. I think they're diverse and varied, and they're all to be commended. In the four terms that I've been here, certainly this stands high among the proposals, legislative initiatives, in terms of what it's going to do for the people of this state not only in terms of the savings of money, but in terms of making government return to the level that government was set up for. To eliminate a whole series of commissions that not only waste money but are duplicative of services elsewhere in the structure of government is certainly a gift to the people. And if VE don't do anything else in here this year, this Amendment and this Bill says to the people of Illinois that we're going to take and we are taking with this Fill and this Amendment a major step towards returning government to the people, towards saving money for the taxpayers and towards saying that government ought to work at the base level without a whole series of incredibly unnecessary, money-wasting and time and resource-wasting commissions. This is a terrific proposal. It's the best one... probably the... far and away the best proposal this year and one of the most constructive legislative proposals that I've seen in my eight years here. I think it's great, and I'm going to vote yes'."

"The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."

"Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Daniels, is it your opinion that 77  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 none of the commissions have done an appropriate job of helping to run the government of the State of Illinois?"

"Representative Satterthwaite, I would speak in general terms. We have 53 standing commissions. Of the 53 single-purpose standing commissions, I would say the vast, vast majority, approaching in the area of 48, have not done the kind of job that we, as Legislators, should expect of them. Those individual commissions that may be singled cut for credit, and we each have our favorite one, as I'm sure you do - I have some of my favorite ones - but the problem is that by retaining any single one commission, you keep the system open, a system that has been abused, a system that has been abused in the past. And the Speaker and I want to make sure that this is corrected now, cnce and for all. So, I hope, I hope that you'll join us in recognizing the fact that it's the legislature that has to have the ultimate accountability, and that's who would have the ultimate accountability under this program. You elect your Leaders. You elect the person that you want to represent you, and that person is responsible to you. This system, this proposal allows greater input into the legislative process..."

"I believe you have answered the question, Representative."

"... and through the committee structure. And I hope that you'll join us in supporting that."

"I believe in that dissertation I did hear you admit that there were some Commissions that you feel have done a good job in helping us to further the governmental processes of the State of Illinois. My concern is that in the process of eliminating those that may not have done a good job, we are, in fact, also destroying the system that has provided a good mechanism for input to the legislative 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day process. May 30, 1984 I believe that, as a Member of the Legislature, it is not only possible, but it is my duty to distinguish between those that are good and those that are not so good and try to make selective judgment on that. And I would propose that in opposite to what has been said previously, that the adoption of this Amendment does not really return government to the people, but it does, in fact, eliminate one of the best routes for public input that we now have available to people. It's extremely difficult for a member of the general public to know when specific issues are being voted upon in the Legislature. And it is much easier for them to have input through a commission process, and we can also use that input more effectively before legislation is actually drafted. I grant you that some commissions ought to be abolished, but I feel that it is most inappropriate for us to take a meat-ax approach and do away with both the good and the bad at the same time. A long time ago, Edmund Burke said that your Representatives owe you not only their industry, but their judgment and that we betray the public if we do not, in fact, use that judgment for the best advantage of the people, even if it goes contrary to public sentiment. I propose that what we are doing if this Amendment is adopted is simply to succumbing to a waive of publicity that has been created in part by the study that was done by certain Members of this House and has brought out only the negative aspects without giving fair credit to the positive kinds of things that have been accomplished through commissions. And for the reason that I believe we should be more selective and the fact that we have a Senate Bill before US which will be more selective, I think it's a mistake for us adopt... to adopt this Amendment and urge a 'nc vcte."

"Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf." 79  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield to a question?" :

"Indicates that he will."

"Mr. Daniels, a few moments ago a question was raised with regard to personnel and support agencies of the Legislature and what would happen to those personnel, and I think with reference to the Legislative Reference Bureau your answer was that they would probably continue to serve. Would you say that that same answer would apply to the personnel in the Legislative Council Research Department and the service printing unit?"

"Yes."

"Thank you very much." :

"Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Much has been said on this matter of reform. Some Members have suggested that because one or two commissions do particularly good jobs that WE ought not abolish commissions. I want to point out the appropriations process for those commissions. I'd like to point out that last year we appropriated 145,000 dollars for the Commission on the Status of Women, 84,000 for the School Problems Commissions, 218,000 for the Commission on Children, 205,000 for the Commission on Mental Health. That's a total of about 650,000 dollars, Mr. Speaker and Members. Now, we spent 17 million dollars on commissions. Of that, 650,000 dollars might have been spent to some good use, less than three percent of the total. That is not a reason to vote to continue commissions. We plan, with this proposal, to save seven to nine million dollars. The total amount that people argue has been spent on good commissions again is 650,000 dollars, ten percent of the total savings. That does not argue for continuing commissions. It argues 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 for abolishing them, for creating a strong and sound Committee structure, a modern legislature as WE were mandated to do by the people in the legislative cut-back Amendment. They weren't just speaking about single-Member districts. They were speaking about an effective Legislature. That's what is our mandate to do, and we can do that by voting 'yes' on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Gentleman from St. Clair has moved that the main question be put. Question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question will be put. The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan, to close."

"Mr... Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of Amendment #1 to House Bill 3128. The Amendment embodies all of the ideas that have been thoroughly discussed, both in the Republican Conference and the Democratic Conference. In brief, the Amendment would provide for the elimination of the legislative study commissions and for the recreation of a single agency to provide essential services to Legislators such as legal research, Bill preparation and computer status reports. We all know the issue. We've had thorough discussions in the Party Conferences. I rise in very strong support of the Amendment, and I would recommend an 'aye' vote to all Members in the chamber. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 3128 be adopted?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Rea, the Gentleman from Franklin, to explain his vote. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 Clerk, take the record. On this Amendment there are 101 voting 'aye", 11 voting "no", 2 voting 'present, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Madigan Praun, amends House Bill 3128 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan."

"ΗΣ. Speaker, Amendment #2 corrects an oversight in the drafting of the Eill. It simply provides that the newly created Legislative Service Bureau shall adopt a policy of affirmative action to assure equality in its awarding of contracts. I would. move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 3128. Is there any discussion? There being none, the guestion is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?* All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #33, Brookins, amends House Bill 3128 as amended."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ercokins."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to add to the list of colleges that will contribute to advisory boards, Chicago State."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. BIGokins, moves for the adoption of Amendment 3 to House Bill 3128. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Brummer."

"Yes, I was looking for the Amendment here on my desk, and I don't have it. And I didn't understand the Gentleman's explanation. I wonder if he might explain the Amendment again."

"Yes, Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been 82  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 distributed? Apparently, it has been distributed, Mr. Brummer."

"Yes. On page ten of the... Amendment #1, there's a listing of ten colleges. We're merely adding Chicago State College to the list of that ten. Those colleges will act as free supervisors."

"Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan. Mr. Brummer, were you still... did you still have further interrogation? Proceed, Mr. Brummer."

"Yes, what is the significance of those... that list of colleges?"

"They are for internships."

"Have you concluded, Mr. Brummer?"

"Yes. Thank you."

"Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, again, this was an oversight in drafting the Bill. If you look at the page in question, there are several universities listed that participate in the Legislative Internship Program. Chicago State University was not included in the original list. The Amendment would put Chicago State University in the list of those schools that already participate in the Legislative Internship Program. ... Amendment."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Agreed Resclutions."

"House Resolution 997, DeJaeger; 998, Giglio; 1000, Wojcik; 1001, Mulcahey."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi." 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Mr. Speaker, 997, by DeJaeger, notes a sixtieth anniversary; 998, by Giglio, congratulates Commander Robert Jurek; 1000, by Wojcik, tells us of the harmony between Schaumburg, Illinois and the Sister City in Schaumburg, Germany; and Mulcahey's 101, harold's the fact that the oldest person on record passed the G.F.I. test at Highland Community College. I move for the adoption of the Agreed..."

"Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Ladies and Gentlemen, there will... Pardon? There is... There will be a meeting of the Committee on Rules immediately following Session in the Speaker's Conference Room to consider all of the Senate Bills that have come across and House Bill 3277. Alright. Do we have leave to suspend the appropriate posting rules to consider those Senate Bills and House Bill 3277? Leave is hereby granted. Yes, Ms. Satterthwaite, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I would ask leave to suspend the appropriate rules for a hearing of House Resolution 961 in Higher Education today."

"And have you ... And has that been cleared with both sides?"

"That has been cleared with the other side."

"Alright. The Lady from Champaign moves to spend the appropriate posting rule for a hearing of House Resolution 961 in Higher Education today. Does the Lady have leave? Leave is hereby granted. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 999, Countryman, in respect to the memory of Warren Hoxey." 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984

"Gentleman moves the adoption of the Death Resolution. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. For the purpose of an announcement, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to announce that the House Registration and Regulation Committee will not meet this afternoon. We have three Bills which will be heard next week."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, for the purpose of an announcement."

"The Appropriations I Committee will meet at 8:30, instead of 8:00. 8:30 a.m. on the House floor. Thank you."

"Appropriations at 8:30, instead of 8:00. Ms. Currie, for the purpose of a Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to suspend the posting requirements on Senate Bill 1522 so that it can be heard tomorrow in the Select Committee on the World's Fair at 9:30 in the morning."

"Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie, moves to suspend the posting requirements for House Bill 1522, Senate Bill 1522... so that it may be heard tomorrow in the World's Fair Committee. Does the Lady has leave? At what time will that be, Ms. Currie?"

"At 9:30, Mr. Speaker, 9:30 a.m."

"9:30 in the morning, World's Fair Committee."

"Right."

"The Lady has leave. The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For purposes of an announcement, the Personnel and Pensions Committee will meet immediately following adjournment. We only have two Bills. We should get out of there pretty promptly." 85  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 30, 1984

"The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne, for the purposes of an announcement."

"The Energy, Environment and Natural Resources Committee will not meet today. We will meet next Wednesday."

"Mr. Jaffe, the Gentleman from Cook, for the purposes of an announcement."

"For two things, Mr. Speaker. First, I would like to announce that the Judiciary Committee meeting tomorrow will take place at 9:00 a.m., instead of 8:00 p.m..... 8:00 a.m. So, it will be 9:00 a.m., instead of 8:00 a.m. Secondly, I would like to move to suspend the posting rules with regard to Senate Bill 1424. I have cleared this with Mr. Johnson so that we could hear that Bill tomorrcs in Committee."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe, moves to suspend the appropriate posting rule in crder to hear House Bill... Senate Bill 1954 - was that Mr. Jaffe?"

"1424. 1424."

"1424 tomorrow in Judiciary. And on that, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he'll yield for questioning."

"Is that the Bill dealing with the Paternity Act? Okay. Fine. Thank you."

"You, have to talk into the microphone, Mr. Jaffe and Mr. Cullerton."

"I have no further questions."

"Alright. Does the Gentleman have leave? Gentleman has leave with respect to that Bill. Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to announce that the Select Committee on the World's Fair will meet at 9:30 in Room 122A." 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day

May 30, 1984 "So that the World's Fair Committee will meet at 9:30 tomorrow, 122A. The Judiciary Committee is meeting at 9:00 instead of 8:00. Mr. White, for the purposes of an announcement. Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Members of the Human Services Committee are scheduled to meet normally at 8:00. We'll meet at 9:30 in C-1. 9:30 tomorrow for the Members of the Human Services Committee."

"Human Services will meet at 9:30 instead... at the usual place, instead of 8:00. 9:30, an hour and a half more to sleep. Now are there... Mr. Friedrich, purposes of an announcement." for the

"No, Mr. Speaker, I would like for the Chairman of the Rules Committee to give the Republicans about 20 minutes. We just now got the sheet, and we don't read quite that fast. So, if we could delay that 20 minutes, I would appreciate it."

"Mr. Matijevich. I think he is already at the hearing room."

"Well now, Mr. Speaker, I an going to start complaining."

"NO, NO. Let me finish, Mr. Friedrich, before we have an explosion of any kind. I will, although he is not on the floor, Mr. Friedrich, we will wait 15 minutes before the meeting starts. He is here now, but I am sure he would give you that courtsey, Sir. Mr. Friedrich, yes."

"I would like to have a meeting of the Republican Members of Rules Committee in the Minority Leadership Office immediately."

"Ckay. So Mr. Friedrich, we will... Mr. Matijevich, cn your behalf, the Chair has suggested that we not proceed immediately but that there be a 15 minute or so delay before Bills are considered. Nr. Friedrich, did 87  127th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 30, 1984 you hear that? Okay? We are going to wait. Mr. Matijevich has suggested that's perfectly alright that we will wait 15 minutes before the meeting is to call to order."

"I had hoped for 20, but I will take 15. Thank you.

"How about 17? Alright. Are there any further announcements? There being none, Mr. McFike, for the Adjournment Resolution."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move the House stand adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 10:00 a.m."

"Allowing five minutes for perf... to the Clerk for Perfunctory Session, Mr. McFike moves that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 10:00 tomorrow. All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House will stand adjourned."

Clerk Leone: "A Message from the Senate, by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following titles and passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Eill 1450, 1534, 1546, 1552, 1554, 1555, 1562, 1564, 1570, 1574 and 1611, passed by the Senate May 30, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Committee Reports. Representative Mulcahey, Chairman from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education, to which the following Bills and Resolutions were referred, action taken May 30, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: Senate Fill 1811 and 1844 do pass'; 'do pass as amended' Senate Fill 1746 and 1747. Representative Terzich, Chairman from the Committee on Executive, to which the following Fills vere referred, action taken May 30, 1984, reported the same back with the 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bills 1650, 1798 and 1812; 'do pass is amended' Senate Bill 1629; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' Senate Bill 1399 and 1876; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' Senate Bill 1430; 'do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1705 and 1957; 'be adopted' Senate Joint Resolution 82; 'be adopted as amended' House Resolution 906. Introduction and First Reading of Senate Bills. Senate Bill 1941, a Eill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to the environmental protection, Dwight Friedrich. First Reading of the Bill, Senate Bill 1945, Dwight Friedrich, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1947, Mautino, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1551, Piel, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Commissioner of Banks and Trust Companies. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1560, Terzich, a Eill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of State Fire Marshal. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1567, McGann, a Eill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Local Labor Belations Foard. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1569, McGann, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1577, Piel, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of Commissioner of Savings and Loans. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill, 1579, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 127th Legislative Day May 30, 1984 expenses of the State Labor Relations Board. First Reading of the Bill, McGann - Oblinger. Senate Bill 1587, Terzich, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1592, Richmond, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary contingent expenses of Southern Illinois University. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1594, Keane, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Governors in state colleges and universities. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1639, McGann, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Public Health. First Reading of the Bill. Introduction and First Reading of House Bills. House Bill 3278, Hallock, a Bill for an Act regulating the practice of massage. First Reading of the Bill. Being no further business, the House now will stand adjourned until 10:00 a.m., May 31st." 90  09/14/84 11:46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 30, 1984 PAGE 1 HB-2372 THIRD READING PAGE 16 HB-2477 THIRD READING PAGE 17 HB-2638 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-2645 THIRD READING PAGE 4 HB-2646 THIRD READING PAGE 6 HB-2649 THIRD READING PAGE 51 HB-2739 RECALLED PAGE 52 HB-2765 THIRD READING PAGE 70 HB-2785 RECALLED PAGE 9 HB-2785 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-2786 THIRD READING PAGE 18 HB-2788 THIRD READING PAGE 38 HB-2789 THIRD READING PAGE 40 HB-3128 RECALLED PAGE 73 HB-3235 THIRD READING PAGE 41 HB-3278 FIRST READING PAGE 90 SB-1510 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1513 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1551 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1559 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1560 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1567 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1569 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1572 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1577 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1579 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1587 FIRST READING PAGE 90 SB-1590 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1591 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1592 FIRST READING PAGE 90 SB-1593 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1594 FIRST READING PAGE 90 SB-1595 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1597 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1621 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-1639 FIRST READING PAGE 90 SB-1657 SECOND READING PAGE 37 SB-1657 MOTION PAGE 37 SB-1754 FIRST READING PAGE 4 SB-1941 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1945 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SB-1947 FIRST READING PAGE 89 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND FRANK GRADY PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 REPRESENTATIVE DIPRIMA IN CHAIR PAGE 21 MEMORIAL DAY OBSERVANCE PAGE 21 REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE IN CHAIR PAGE 36 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 45 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 83 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 84 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 88 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 88 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 88 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 88 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 90