"The hour of 12 having arrived, the House will be in Session. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend J. Ronald Bogart, Associate Pastor, Laurel United Methodist Church of Springfield. Reverend Bogart is the guest of Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in the gallery please rise and join us in the invocation?
Reverend Bogart."
"Let us pray. Eternal God, source of all creation, the sustainer of all who have gone before us and our God, we offer You our thanksgiving for this day and for all the opportunities for good that it offers us. Help us to open our minds to new ideas, our hearts to those around us and our hands to those in need. May Your blessings be upon this House of Representatives as it deliberates and decides for the common welfare of all the citizens of Illinois. Give to each a vision of truth and justice. And in each of our lives, help us to cultivate those qualities that make for peace. In our personal lives, in our state and nation and in our world, O God, grant us peace. Amen."
"The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp, will lead us today in the pledge to the flag."
"Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 Members having answered to the Call of the Quorum, a quorum is present. Mr. Matijevich, are there any excused absences on the Democratic side?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, let the record show Representative Panayotovich is excused for..."
"Let the record so reflect. Mr. Piel, do you 1 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 have any excused absences on the Republican side?"
"Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we do. We have two this morning. Representative Tuerk and Representative Hoffman are excused today."
"Representative Tuerk and Representative..."
"Hoffman."
"Hoffman. Alright, let the record SO reflect that they are... have excused absences. ...of the Calendar, Consent Calendar, Second Reading Second Day."
"C "Consent Calendar, Second Reading Second Day. House Bill 1438 was taken out of the record, as there's a request for a fiscal note which has not been filed. House Bill 1488, a Bill for an Act authorizing the Lake County Forest Preserve District to exchange lands in Vernon Township. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Third Reading. Committee Reports."
"Representative Leverenz, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 8, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass' House Bills 342, 362, 418, 529, 641, 656, 693, 1125, 2334 and 2489; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 143, 670, 675 and 1304. Representative Bowman, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 8, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass' House Bills 663, 302, 1911, 2243 and 2316; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 660, 664, 672 and 679. Representative Steczo, Chairman of the Committee on Cities and Villages, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 30, 1985, геported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 1308, 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 1487, 1658, 1659, 1660, 1661, 1745, 1825, 2051, 2063, 2169, 2371 and 2337. Representative Cullerton, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary II, to which the following Bill Was referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Do pass' House Bill 2327."
"On page six of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading, on that Order of Business appears House Bill 17. Out of the record. House Bills Second Reading, House Bill 18. Out of the record. House Bill 20. Mr. Mautino, 20. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 20, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments filed?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 34. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading... Second Reading appears House Bill 54. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills... Second Reading appears House Bill 62. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 73. Mr. Rea in the chamber? Out of the... Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 76. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 82. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 82, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain criminal offenses. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 83. Out of the record. Alright. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, we'll just back up to House Bill 73. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill..."
"Oh, wait. Mr... Excuse me. Mr. Rea, we'll take that out of the record for a... for a while. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 90, Ms. Currie. Ms. Currie. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 100. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 104. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 115. Out of the record. And 123, Mr. Brookins. Out of the record. Well, Ladies and Gentleman, I should advise you that the days are getting shorter. You're Bills will not be called each day, so I suggest that you respond when they are being called. Now, on the Order of House Bills... Mr. Brookins, I had just called House Bill 123. Did you want to go with that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 123, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any...Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 124. Mr. Brookins. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 124, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?" 4 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Brookins, amends House Bill 124 on page two by deleting line nine and inserting in lieu thereof the following: arrangement."
"Yes, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Brookins, on Amendment #2 to House Bill 124."
"Yes, Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker and Committee (sic House) Members, this brings it in compliance so that the defense and the State's Attorney have the same length of time which will... will begin after arraignment. And this was the Amendment that was agreed by with... the Minority Spokesman."
"Mr. Brookins, the Gentleman from Cook, moves for the pass... for adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 124. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates that he'll yield for a question."
"Alright. Just for purposes of the record, so we're clear, it was agreed there would be an Amendment on Second Reading."
"That is correct."
"Okay. NOW, this Bill, as amended, would start the clock ticking of ninety days from the date of arraignment regardless of how the person was charged; Grand Jury, probable cause hearing or otherwise."
"That is correct."
"Alright. And it is... it relates only to certain specified crimes in the Bill. All others are the 120 day rule." 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"That is correct."
May 9, 1985 "And it relates only to cases where the person is in custody, or does it also relate to where he makes a demand under this Act? Is it both custody and demand? Do we know? John? Both? Alright, it's both custody and demand, and it specifies those circumstances under which continuance can be granted by either side, as to either side. Is that right?"
"That is correct."
"Okay. Thank you very much."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading.. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 132. Mr. Giorgi, 132, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 132, a Bill for an Act in relation to charitable contributions to designated zone organizations under the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1."
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading.. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 147. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 153. Mr. Mautino, 153. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 153, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. 6 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" May 9, 1985
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 159. Out of the record. House Bill 160, out of the record. 164, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills... On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 175. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 198, Mr. Hicks. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 200, Mr. Levin. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 202. Out of the record. On the Order of Second Reading appears House Bill 209. Mr. Cullerton, 209. Page eight of the Calendar. Yes, Mr. Cullerton."
"Out of the record, please."
"Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 224, Mr. Woodyard. Out of the record. 231, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 240. Mr. Cullerton, 240. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 240, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Cullerton, amends House Bill 240..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Amendment #3." May 9, 1985
"I'm sorry, I don't have a copy of that Amendment. I believe it's technical in nature. Perhaps we can just come back to this, Mr. Speaker."
"Alright. We can take that out of the... Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yeah, I was just going to mention that we have no problems with Amendment #3. It is technical in nature. It just clears up a problem with Amendment #2."
"Okay."
"Alright, Mr. Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 240. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Vinson, amends House Bill 240..."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Amendment #4 to House Bill 240."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. The chamber is beginning to fill up. Welcome to you late arrivals, but let us maintain order and dignity in the chamber. Mr. Vinson, you have the attention of the House."
"Thank you, Sir. The function of the Illinois Housing Development Authority is to increase the availability of housing for poor and moderate income people throughout the State of Illinois. The Bill that Representative Cullerton presents to us, as amended, seeks to control the cost of that housing and to make that housing as affordable as possible for low and moderate income people in Illinois by limiting unreasonable legal costs associated with the 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 construction of that housing. It is a laudable objective. The Function of y Amendment is to complement his by further limiting unreasonable legal costs. The Bill, as amended right now, goes at the cost... the legal cost the Authority incurs, and my Amendment simply limits the legal costs the developers may incur. I believe it complements his approach, and I would nove for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 240."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt has moved for the adoption of Amendment 4 to House Bill 240. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, John Cullerton."
"Thank you, Иг. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think it's a great idea, and I'm sorry I didn't think of it myself."
"Alright. Is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ms. Satterthwaite, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"A point of information, please. For some time now we've had on the Calendar House Bill 202, for which various fiscal notes and mandate notes, et cetera, have been requested. We have on file now, as I understand it, a Pension Impact Note and a State Mandates Act Fiscal Note already on file. Can you tell me from whom I am supposed to get yet a third fiscal note in order for the Bill to move?"
"We'll have the Clerk look and see whether a fiscal note has been filed. Alright, Ms. Satterthwaite, we 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 will check into that, and we will get back to you. Alright?"
"Thank you."
"Thanks. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 251, Mr. Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 251, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Automobile Renting Occupation and Use Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 255, Mr. Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 255, a Bill for an Act in relation to the occupation and use taxes on building materials used in enterprise zones. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Dunn."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn, on Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 255."
"Move for adoption of Floor Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman from Macon moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 255. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Sponsor could hold this Bill for a second. We just haven't had a chance to look at the Amendment."
"Alright, we'll take that out of the record, Mr. 10 37th Legislative Day Dunn?"
"Yeah." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985
"Alright, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 290. Mr. Huff, 290. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 312, Mr. Soliz. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 316, Mr. Davis. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 317. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 320, Ms. Braun. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 324, Mr. Young. Anthony Young. Out of the record? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 341, Ms. Wojcik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 341, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"There are no Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On page nine of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 346, Mr. Shaw. Out of the record. On the Order of... Mr. Shaw on 346. Mr. Shaw, I should tell you that a State Mandates Note has been requested on this Bill, and until we are furnished with that, it will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Do you wish to proceed? Yes. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 346..." 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"No, out of the record, Mr. Clerk. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 347, Mr. Hawkinson. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 350, Mr. Rea. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 350, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"There are none."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 350. Mr. Rea, 350. Mr. Clerk... Oh, I'm sorry, 350. Oh, I'm sorry. That's 350. Yes. Alright, we'll now go back to Mr. Dunn's House Bill 255, on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 255, a Bill for an Act in relationship (sic - relation) to occupation and use taxes on building materials used in enterprise zones. Has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1, Dunn."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 255."
"I move the adoption of Amendment #1."
"Mr. Dunn moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 255. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."
"Usually when we have Amendments, the Gentlemen or Ladies do explain what they mean. Would he mind if we asked what it does?"
"Sure. The Amendment provides a slight change in the... in the procedural aspects of the Bill. The thrust of the Bill is to provide in enterprise zones an exemption for those... from sales tax for those who sell building materials. What we've found in the current law is that a retailer, 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day typically a lumber yard, wishing to cooperate with the Enterprise Zone Act system, found itself in the position of selling materials to a customer who had an exemption and the retailer then had to charge the sales tax and go back and try to get their money back from the Department of Revenue. The original Bill was filed to exempt the retailer in this circumstance. But the Department of Revenue has provided for what they feel is a more acceptable procedure to the Department of Revenue and a procedure which will be acceptable to the retailer and that is to provide for a deduction rather than an exemption in this situation. And the retailer will then keep track of the materials sold which are entitled to this deduction and include that deduction on its regular reports to the Department of Revenue."
"Thank you very much."
"Yes, the Gentleman... Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from Macon moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 255. The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 353. Mr. Preston, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 353, a Bill for an Act in relationship to local criminal correction systems. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"There are none."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 356. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 356, a Bill for an Act to create the Adelo (sic Aledo) Community Center Authority. Has been read a second time previously. Amendments #1 and 2... Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted previously."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendments 1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Homer, amends House Bill 356, on page..."
"The Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer, on Amendment #3 to House Bill 356."
"Thank... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask leave to withdraw Amendment #3."
"Alright, leave to withdraw Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Friedrich, amends House Bill 356 on page one and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, on Amendment #4."
"I'd like... I'd like to have that withdrawn. Withdraw Amendment #4."
"Amendment #4 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, Mulcahey, amends House Bill 356 on page one and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Mulcahey, on Amendment #5. Mr. Mulcahey."
"Withdraw."
"Withdrawn. Leave to withdraw. Amendment #5 is 14 37th Legislative Day withdrawn. STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Further Amendments?" May 9, 1985
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading."
"Correction."
"What? Alright. There is another Amendment."
"Floor Amendment #6, Brunsvold, amends House Bill 356 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, on Amendment #6 to House Bill 356. Mr. Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #6 would include as Civic Center Authorities; Aledo, Normal Civic Center Authority, Mason County, Jasper County, Brownstown (sic Brownstone) Park District and Jo Daviess County. It basically sets up the authorities in those areas for civic centers. They then would have to apply to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs for the money, if they would in fact be granted the money for those community centers. The only variation would be on the Jo Daviess County Civic Center which allows for a general obligation bond with referendum. So that would be acceptable to me as part of the package, and I would ask for your support in the adoption of this Amendment."
"The Gentleman from Rock Island has moved for the adoption of House... Amendment... Amendment #6 to House Bill 356. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield please?"
"Indicates he'll yield for a question."
"Basically what your Amendment now is doing is taking everybody else's projects from all the other Amendments and putting them all into one Amendment. Am I correct?"
"Correct. I've been approached, instead of having lot of Amendments, we've incorporated into one Amendment, a 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 and we're going with six community centers: one for Aledo which is mine; Representative Ropp; Representative Homer; Representative Hartke; Representative Friedrich and Representative Mulcahey."
"Okay. How many are there total now on the Bill?"
"Six, Representative."
"We've gone from one to six."
"Right."
"What... What is the estimated figure, cost figure, on this right now?"
"The cost figure on this particular Bill, which sets up the Authority - and that's all it does - the acquisition of the money from the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs would be according to population in that area. For example, Aledo would only have access to about 400 thousand dollars of DCCA or civic center monies if they would be approved. The total package, Representative, I'm not... I'm not aware of the total cost of the package. That would have to be with approval of DCCA."
"Well, obviously, I mean, you're the Sponsor of the Amendment, and I'm sitting here figuring, well, if you're the Sponsor of the Amendment, you're asking for six different authorities, which are going... you know, if it were to go through, we're talking about six different civic centers. We're talking about an astronomical figure, you know, to the taxpayers in the State of Illinois. And, you know, it seems that you'd have some idea of what this is going to cost if it goes through... the taxpayers of the State of Illinois. And that's the reason why I'm asking the question."
"The money for the civic centers comes from the racetracks, Representative. There are many, many authorities that have already been set up that are in... in 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 line for money and request for money. These would simply be smaller authorities. These are very small... would be a very small amount."
"Okay, let me... let me expound on that last remark then. You're saying that this money is coming from the racetracks."
"Right."
"Where's that racetrack money now go?"
"It goes into... It goes into the civic center authorities, a lot of it: McCormick Place; Peoria; all the civic centers that are set up in the big cities around the area; Springfield..."
"So basic... basically what you're saying then is, if this goes through, this money that's being used from the racetrack authority will be hurting the other authorities throughout the state then."
"No, we're at limit. There's no money available right now, Representative, for any more civic centers. The Representatives that have put this package... as putting this package together are simply setting up the authority. There's no guarantee that we'll ever get any money."
"Well, I think we're setting up a dangerous precedence. Mr. Speaker, I would ask for a Roll Call on this Amendment, please."
"Alright. Further discussion? The Gentleman from Rock Island to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The civic center authorities, or I like to put it as community authorities, are very small. The Governor in his last study on civic centers stated that the large civic centers in this state have already been built, and he said we'd need to move to smaller community centers. This is in that light. We are moving to smaller community centers. Centers that are 100 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 by 100 feet, very small. Probably civic centers or community centers that can run in the black and not the red, as most of the large ones are... in fact as all of them are running in this state. I would ask for your support and support these smaller communities that are asking for community centers, not civic centers. This in no way guarantees that any of these civic centers or community centers are ever going to get any money. They're simply setting up authority in the possibility of getting money if DCCA and the Governor approve it. So I would ask for your support on this Amendment."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 75 voting 'aye', 32 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Mr. Brunsvold, there is a request for a fiscal note as amended, which has been made, so the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Brunsvold."
"Mr. Speaker, then when the... fiscal note is filed then we move it to Third?"
"Pardon?"
"When the fiscal note is filed, then we can move it to Third?"
"When the fiscal note's filed and we return to it on the Order of Second Reading, we will move it to Third Reading..."
"Thank you."
"...at that time. Okay? On the Order of House 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 360, Mr. Homer. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 364, Mr. Johnson. 364. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 364, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to support and maintenance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 367. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 367, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to hospitals. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Johnson, amends House Bill 367 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson, on Amendment #2 to House Bill 367. Mr. Johnson."
"If I could have just one minute. I want to withdraw Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 374. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 383, Mr. Bowman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 383, a Bill for an Act to amend Senior 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #... No Amendments. No... No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the Floor?"
"There are none."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 384. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 384, a Bill for an Act to amend the New Car Buyers Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 385, Mr. Pangle. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 385, a Bill for an Act to amend the Senior Citizens Real Estate Tax Deferral Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 387, Mr. Farley. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 390, Mr. Davis. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 393, Mr. Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 393, a Bill for an Act to amend the Narcotics Profit Forfeiture Act. Second Reading of the 20 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 405. Mr. Tate, 405. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 405, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act prohibiting local governments from regulating hunting and fishing. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Zwick, amends House Bill 405 on page four and so forth."
"The Lady from Kane, Ms. Zwick, on Amendment #3 to House Bill 405. Ms. Zwick."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would, because I think this Bill is so bad and that I would rather try and kill it, I'm going to try... I'm going to withdraw the Amendment at this time."
"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Johnson - Tate, amends House Bill 405."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson... Mr. Tate, are you going to take that? Alright, Mr. Tate."
"Yes, thank... thank you, Mr. Speaker. Because I think this Bill is so good, I'm going to withdraw the Amendment."
"Amendment #4 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 410. Mr. Clerk, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 446, Ns. Younge. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 447, Mr. Giglio. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 447, a Bill for an Act to amend the Use Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 448. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 448, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Yes, Mr. Johnson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Just an inquiry. How did we go from 405 to 448? 410 was the next Order of Business."
"410 was called Mr. Johnson. 410 was called."
"Did you move it to Third?"
"No."
"What did you do with it?"
"No one gave me any symbol or notion that they cared to call it."
"Nobody asked me, Mr. Speaker. I'm the Chief Sponsor of the Bill."
"Well, Mr... Mr. Johnson... Mr. Johnson, the way that the Chair makes inquiry is to call the Bill. And you were not... You just... I looked over there and you gave me no indication. Now, I'm told that there is, in any event, 22 37th Legislative Day an Amendment STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE that's been filed and not printed. May 9, 1985 So that,
"Then I... If there's an in any event, that's the case. Yes, Mr. Johnson." Amendment... and I'm giving whoever that Sponsor is of the Amendment the courtesy of a... of holding that Bill, are we going to get to that today so that we can move it to Third Reading?" "I'm sorry, Mr. Johnson."
"My question was, are we... since I've given the... I will give the courtesy to whoever the unknown Sponsor of that Amendment is, the courtesy of holding this Bill on Second Reading, are we going to get back to it so we can move it to Third today?"
"Well, we sure... I'm sure we'll get back to it today, Mr. Johnson. That's correct."
"We'll get back to 410 today then."
"Right."
"Do you know when? Has the Bill... Has the Amendment already been introduced?"
"The Amendment has been introduced, of course."
"Okay. Well, I'm eagerly awaiting the Chair's calling this again."
"I mean, Mr. Johnson, let me say this to you, Sir. A) We will be back to it. 2) It's a courtesy to take it out of the record. But (3) the Bill was called. The Clerk read it. I looked over to your area. Neither you nor Mr. Tate expressed any..."
"What about Mr. Hicks and Mr. Slater and Mr. Young? There are five hyphenated Sponsors on it. I've never seen the Chair in a previous..."
"Mr. Johnson..."
"... Bill today that I had..."
"Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson..."
"Turn the electricity on..." 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Mr. Johnson..."
"This isn't a dictatorship. Now turn the electricity on."
"We look... We look at that. Neither you nor Mr. Tate expressed an interest. We'll proceed... Mr. Johnson. Mr. Clerk, turn Mr. Johnson on. Now, Mr. Johnson..."
"On a previous Bill, about a Bill ago, you specifically called my name, because I was apparently a Sponsor with Mr. Tate, even though I listed on 405. You gave me that courtesy. And even though I'm the first name Sponsor and was standing at my desk at 410, you didn't ask either me, or Mr. Hicks, or Mr. Slater, or Mr. Tate or Mr. Young to call the Bill. Now, we all know what you want to do with House Bill 410. And I understand that. You're opposed to the Bill. But we've certainly got a right to have that issue heard, and we've certainly got a right to move that Bill onto Third Reading. It's kind of ironic that you wouldn't call on me... that you would call on me on a previous Bill when I'm not even listed on the program, and yet on this Bill, where I'm the first name Sponsor and standing an inch from my desk, that you don't even say anything to me. Nobody in here heard you call my name. If you'd called my name, I would have called the Bill."
"Mr. Johnson. Now, Mr. Johnson, may the Chair..."
"Sure. Sure."
"May the Chair respond? Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Firstly, on the previous Bill, I called your name as the tape will indicate. That's on 5... 405, and Mr. Tate raised his hand and asked for... he be recognized, which is common practice here when there are hyphenated Cosponsors. He did... He took... He carried the Bill. Had you 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 interposed an objection to Mr. Tate carrying that Bill, I certainly, certainly would have called upon you and held... and asked him to not speak. On the next Bill, Mr. Johnson, I asked for... I had the Clerk call... read the Bill. The Clerk read the Bill. I looked in your area. You were not apparently paying attention to the number. Mr. Tate was not..."
"What about Hicks or Slater..."
"...Mr. Johnson. Now, Mr. Johnson."
"Did you look at them?"
"The Chair is not obliged to search the record for every single Cosponsor that might be involved. We look to the first name Sponsor on Second Reading. It is not June 30th. You will indeed have your day. You will probably have your day today."
"That's fine."
"And I would appreciate... And I take the..."
"As long as... Bill today. That's fine."
"Just a moment, Mr. Johnson. The Chair is not through. Mr. Johnson, the Chair takes offense. So that you understand this, that you think that somehow this Bill was passed over because of the Chair's personal feeling about this Bill, I call lots of Bills that the... this Chair has no great compassion for or... to, but everybody gets a fair hearing while I have this gavel, Sir. And I take offense to that..."
"I haven't been..."
"And that's the end of it. We'll go onto the next Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the... On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 448. Did we do that, Mr. Clerk? Read the Bill."
"House Bill 448, which amends the Illinois Public Aid Code, has been read a second time previously. No 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Committee Amendments."
May 9, 1985 "Excuse me, Mr. Giglio. Mr. Daniels, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Just so we can cover this matter completely. It's my understanding when the Amendment is printed that you will go back to that?"
"We will go back it before the day's out, Mr. Daniels."
"Thank you."
"Absolutely."
"Thank you, Sir."
"Mr. Giglio, we are going to get to you. Proceed, Sir."
"There are no Committee Amendments to House Bill 448."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 450. Mr. Mulcahey, on 450. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 450, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 451. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 451, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 26 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 452, Ms. Frederick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 452, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 457. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 457, a Bill for an Act to amend the Uniform Commercial Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Zwick, amends House Bill 457."
"The Lady from Kane, Ms. Zwick, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 deals with some questions that were raised in Committee by Representative Breslin, which I thought were certainly founded. And in an attempt to address those concerns about how many times someone could present a bad check and not be charged a service charge, we drafted this Amendment, and I believe she's agreed that it does address her concerns. And I would move for its adoption at this time."
"The Lady from Kane, Ms. Zwick, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 457. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Cullerton."
"I couldn't hear her." May 9, 1985
"Ms. Zwick, Mr. Cullerton asks that you make a succinct summary of the Amendment."
"Certainly. What the Amendment does is address Representative Breslin's question in Committee as to how many times a retailer could accept a check from the same person and be affected by this Bill. I didn't feel that a person should be able to present a check more than once and still not be charged and not have the retailer charged a service charge for accepting that check when that person had a record."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"I would inquire of the Clerk whether the Amendment's been printed and distributed."
"They have not been distributed I'm advised; so Ms. Zwick, perhaps you could take your Amendment out of the... your Bill out of the record. Alright? Thanks. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 460. Mr. LeFlore. Yes? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 460, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the filing date for returns of certain state taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 463. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 463, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Pullen, amends House Bill 463," 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
May 9, 1985 "The Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 463."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I'd like to state that this is my Bill, so it's my Amendment to my Bill. The Amendment was actually intended to be adopted in Committee, and I believe was adopted in Committee, but didn't get as far as the Committee Report. So it is the shape in which the Bill was to go out of Committee. And it rewrites this Bill which is concerned with bribery to use the Chicago Bar Association recommended language to take care of the clarification that a middleman can be charged under the bribery statute, not just a public official and the briber. It did, as I indicated, pass out of Committee with the understanding that this Amendment was supposed to be on the Bill, and I move its adoption."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 463. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 464. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 473. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 473, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed." 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 3, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 474, Mr. Laurino. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 481. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 481, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments filed?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 483. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 483, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Motions filed and no Floor Amendments."
"No Motions. Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 484. Let's take it out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 490, Mr. Johnson. Yes, did you want to proceed on that, Mr. Johnson?"
"Yes, I do."
"Oh, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 490, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 495. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Wolf. Mr. Wolf, do you wish to proceed? 495. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 495, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Yes, any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 501. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 504. Mr. Preston, 504. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 505. Out of the... Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills... 507, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading 508, Mr. Daniels. 508, Mr. Vinson. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 510. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 513, Mr. Hicks. Mr. Hicks. Out of the record. Oh, Mr. Hicks, do you wish to proceed? Alright, Sir. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill... House Bill 513, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 514. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 514, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 adopted in Committee."
"Any... Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Hicks, amends House Bill 514 as amended."
"Mr. Hicks, on Amendment #2."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 of the Bill simply corrects the problem area with Amendment #1 having to due with firewood sellers on the Bill, and I would ask for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Jefferson moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 514. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Indicates he will."
"Representative, would you explain again what your Amendment does?"
"Yes, Sir, I'm sorry. I was discussing the wrong Bill. They're on House Bill 514. 514 is the Bill having to do with the School Code. Amendment #2 simply is the combination of House Bills 515 and 516 as worked out with the House Education... Elementary and Secondary Education Committee. The Bill does make some changes in the original Bill... the Amendment does, having to do with changes of the original dollar amounts in the Bill from 6,250 dollars to 7,000 dollars, as the original Bill asked for 11,000 dollars. And also an increase of a line item from the original Bill from 2,500 to 4,500. That makes the changes to 2,800 dollars. And I would ask for the adoption of the Bill... of the Amendment." 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Representative, does your Amendment deal with the depreciation of leaseholds?"
"Say again, Sir. Excuse me. I did not hear your question."
"Does your... Does Amendment #2 deal with the depreciation of leaseholds?"
"We are on Amendment #2? Let me get the Amendment straight here, Representative, and I'll answer that question. Yes, Sir, I believe you are correct in your... Amendment #1 was as I just explained it. Amendment #2 has to do with the leasehold, and it is a combination of House Bill 375, that we currently have on Third Reading. This takes in account the changes that were made in 375 and puts it on 514, having to do with the dollars recouping... being able to be recouped by those facilities. They currently are allowed depreciation on those facilities which they are owned, but are not allowed a reimbursement for rental of facilities that are outside of their area. And that's what Amendment #2 does. It's a combination of House Bill 375 onto 514. Thank you for your help on that."
"Is... Okay. Now, I'm still not clear on a couple of other things. Who is going to depreciate these leaseholds?"
"There's not a depreciation on the leaseholds themselves. Right now, currently, if I am a special ed district, and I have to go out into a district outside of the current area in which I'm operating to hold classes, and I'm required to rent a facility, I am not allowed a reimbursement for that facility. If I do go out and buy a facility then I am allowed a depreciation of 200 dollars per pupil for a reimbursement cost. This simply allows them instead of having to buy facilities to depreciate to be able to regain their cost... to be able to regain their cost through a 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day rental process." May 9, 1985
"I understand. Thank you."
"Thank you, Sir."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Indicates that he will."
"Representative Hicks, I'm not quite sure I understand. You're passing on a depreciation from a rental? So in other words..."
"No, Sir, I'm not."
"Okay."
"What I'm doing is... is currently they're allowed a depreciation under current law."
"If they own."
"If they own, outside of their immediate area for which they are reimbursed. Okay. Now then, they are required to go out into other areas to hold classes. Instead of them having to go into that area and buy a facility in order to be reimbursed, as we currently do, this would say we are then going to allow them to rent a facility, which most of them do anyway, but be reimbursed at the same rate that they are currently reimbursed if they buy on a rental of a basis of 200 dollars per pupil."
"Okay. So this Amendment really has nothing to do with depreciation."
"No. Has nothing to do with depreciation at all. It simply... to answer your question."
"I think that clears it up. Thank you."
"Yes, Sir."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the 34 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Hicks... Oh, I'm sorry. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Hicks, House Bill 513 was moved to Third Reading in error. A fiscal note has been requested and none has been filed. So with leave of the House, I will return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading. Accordingly House Bill 513 is returned to the Order of Second Reading. 514 was advanced to Third Reading. Alright? On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 522. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 531, Ms. Zwick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 531, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 536, Mr. Ewing. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"House Bill 536, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal... the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 548. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 548, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 561. Mr. Clerk. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 562. Mr. Levin, 562. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 562, a Bill for an Act in relation to condominium and community associations. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 563, Mr. Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 563, a Bill for an Act in relationship... in relationship... in relation to condominiums. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 2?" 36 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Levin Parke, amends House Bill..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Amendment #3."
"Thank you, ΜΕ. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 clears up a problem that the Independent Insurance Agents had and was worked out with them with respect to the coverage for directors and officers liability. AS somebody that practices in the condominium field, I can tell you the minimum coverage for almost every association is a million dollars. And this Bill would provide... this Amendment would, in many respects, raise the coverage so it would be that million: otherwise, it would have been a lower amount for many associations."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #23 to House Bill 563. And on that, is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?" All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'no'. In opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 572, Mr. Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 572, a Bill for an Act to amend the Local Mass Transit District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #12"
"No Motions filed." 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Mr. Dunn, a fiscal note has been requested on this Bill, so the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Turn Mr. Dunn on."
"It's prepared. I... It hasn't been filed yet?"
"Pardon, Sir?"
"It has not been filed yet?"
"The fiscal note has not been filed."
"Alright. It's prepared. We'll have to find it. Thank you."
"Well, alright. This Bill will remain Ofi the Order of Second Reading. On page 17 of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 574, Mr. Preston. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 574, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the public financing of gubernatorial campaigns. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #... No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Churchill, amends House Bill 574 on page..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr... I'm sorry. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 574."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a rather significant Bill that Representative Preston has before us. It's a Bill that we've seen before. What this Bill does is to create a funding mechanism for gubernatorial elections. My Amendment takes this Bill one step further and adds to that funding mechanism the mayoral race in the City of Chicago. And what I'd like to do is ask all those who think this is a good Bill to vote for this extension of the concept to 38 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE the City of Chicago."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. May 9, 1985 Churchill, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 574. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I... I'd have some questions for the Sponsor of this Amendment, if he'd yield for a question."
"Proceed, Sir."
"Representative Churchill, could you explain what it is that your Amendment does? This provides for downstaters to provide matching funds through their tax dollars to candidates for the Mayor of the City of Chicago?"
"This says precisely that, that as it is in the importance of all of us, very important thing that we all take a look at how we fund the race for Governor, so is it important for us to determine how we fund the race for the Mayor of the City of Chicago. As good as that proposal is for the Governor, so is it good for the Mayor of the City of Chicago."
"Well, then, is there some requirement for the amount of money that a person has to raise in order to qualify for these matching funds?"
"Yes, the provisions are exactly the same as in the original Bill."
"So then if... if former Mayor Byrne wanted to run for Mayor of the City of Chicago and she raised a 100 thousand dollars, then the people, for example, in your district, would be contributing through their tax dollar to match that... those funds that she has. And you're in favor of that?"
"No, Representative Preston. I think you have not read the Amendment correctly. It is the people in the City 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 of Chicago who have the right to check off on their tax returns for the City of Chicago race. In the original Bill, all of the people in the state fund the gubernatorial election. In my Amendment, only the people in the City of Chicago fund the mayoral race."
"So then if Mayor Washington wanted to receive these matching funds, then if he were to raise the 100 thousand dollars, then the people in the City of Chicago could match that with yet another 100 thousand dollars. Is that correct?"
"What... It is dollar for dollar match up to the certain limitations that are provided in the original Bill."
"Then if Alderman Vrdolyak, for example, decided that he wanted to run for Mayor of Chicago, and he raised the limit of 100 thousand dollars, then he also could be provided with another 100 thousand dollars in campaign funds through the residents of the City of Chicago."
"My Amendment is fair across the board. It seeks to provide an open election for all those who are interested and who meet the minimum qualifications."
"Now does your Amendment, Representative, include any limitations on the amount of campaign contributions?"
"Yes, it's exactly the same as the Bill which you have originally proposed."
"And if someone wanted to contribute 10 thousand dollars, who is a fat cat city contractor, and receive wonderful contracts from the City, they could contribute 10 thousand dollars to the mayoral candidates?"
"I believe that it is exactly the same in terms of prohibitions as is your original Bill, and I think there is a prohibition against people waking large single term contributions. And I think also that those who do make the 40 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 large contributions take themselves out of the matching funds, because I think it's only those who contribute 150 dollars and less that provide the pool for the matching funds."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, if I could speak to the Bill."
"Proceed, Sir."
"Thank you. I... To the Motion... To the Amendment, rather. I... I'm in opposition to this Amendment, though it is a novel idea, and I commend Representative Churchill on this somewhat novel approach. The reason I'm against this particular Amendment is that there are many people in the City of Chicago who thinks... who think that there should be indeed no funding whatsoever for mayoral candidates for Mayor of the City of Chicago. And there are many people who think that there should be no Office of Mayor in the City of Chicago. And that being the case, I couldn't go along with a means to provide yet more candidates with the opportunity to not only run for the office, but to get money in aid... from the taxpayers in order to run for that office. There are some people in Chicago and around the State of Illinois who don't look at that office in the exalted fashion, Representative, that you do. And I am very impressed and pleased that you look at the Office of Mayor in the same light that we, in Illinois, view the Office of Governor of this state. That's an unusual characterization for someone from... from your district, from a district outside of the City of Chicago. And because of your support for the Mayor's Office, I'm sure we can get you a key to the City upon your next visit to the City of Chicago."
"Thank you."
"But taking this... this Amendment seriously, which I suppose I have to do, it is an obvious means to kill the 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF RE EPRES SENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Bill. We... We approached the original Bill in a serious fashion as means of showing that perhaps the perception of undue influence over the Office of Governor can be erased by limiting the amount of campaign contributions to that office. I don't think that this is a frivolous idea for Mayor of the City of Chicago by any means. I think it's a good idea, and I... I'm not saying at all that I wouldn't be supportive of it in a separate Bill, but not when it's designed to kill this Bill. However, again, I think it's a good idea, and I'd be able... I'd be glad to talk to you about, perhaps, jointly sponsoring that kind of legislation in the future; but I'd ask for your 'no' vote on this Amendment."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Indicates that he will yield for questions."
"Representative Churchill, an august Member of this side of the aisle, I know you have given great thought to this Amendment and you see a meritorious concern. I'm wondering if we might also consider putting in something for the Mayor of Glencoe. I know that the... the premise of the Governor's financing Bill is such that those of us in the private sector get into financing. Would you entertain an Amendment of that nature, because I know you feel strongly about yours?"
"I thank you for asking that question, Representative Olson, because I think that if this Bill is fair for the Governor, then it's fair for all those who are in public office. And I think that you could see this concept extended through all those who hold office and seek office in the State of Illinois, and perhaps someday that we could 42 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 extend that even to the township and municipal levels and to the library districts and the school districts because I think that this is such a fine concept it should be spread throughout our state."
"To the Amendment, Mr. Speaker. I think this is a significant Amendment. Over half the people who live in the State of Illinois live in Chicago. We notice how peace and harmony reigns in the City of Chicago. If they could resolve their financing problems, they could probably get on with the business of the City. I'd recommend support for this fine Amendment."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I take somewhat offensive one of the previous speakers from the other side of the aisle. I don't take this Amendment lightly at all. I think this is a very serious Amendment. I think this is an Amendment that could definitely... I think its time is here. It's a situation where, you know, he made the remark about the fat cats and one thing or another, I think this is a type of Amendment that could help people who, you know, the little people who want to run for office, not just the ones who are... have a lot of well... friends. And it's a situation where, you know, you're sitting here, you saying, well, the City of Chicago. But let's face it. When the City of Chicago has an election, it's a national attention. We are talking about a very big significant election in this State of Illinois. I think, you know, especially, I was very concerned with the Amendment at first, because I thought it was a situation to where the taxpayers throughout the State of Illinois would have to pick up the tab. But as the Sponsor stated, it's a situation where it would be on a 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 check off, a voluntary check off, through the residents of the City of Chicago, and it's something to where it would definitely... I think it would definitely help curb corruption as far as large campaign contributions in the City. And I would ask for support of Amendment #1."
"The... Yes, Mr. Piel, have you concluded? The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Davis."
"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had turn my light out, but I really just wanted to observe that... that I don't think it's a frivolous Amendment. If we're going to address this issue in a rational fashion, I think Representative Preston, by his own admission, has said to the Sponsor of the Bill, it's a very good idea. In a separate Bill, he might consider that. And if it's a very good idea, then it's a very good idea on this particular Bill as well, and we can let the Governor decide what he wants to do with it Representative Preston. But I think this Amendment should be on the Bill."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"The Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he'll yield for guestions."
"Representative Churchill, you intend for this to be a... provide for a check off on the income tax form to provide for matching funds for the Mayor's race in the City of Chicago. Is that right?"
"That's correct."
"So there would be two separate zax forms in the state. There'd be a tax form for those who don't live in the City of Chicago, where they wouldn't have this separate check off, and then there'd be a... residents of the City of Chicago would have a separate tax form with their own... with two check off boxes. Is that correct?" 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"No. No, I think that we could do it all on the separate... on same form and just have a segment of the form that said, if you are a resident of the City of Chicago, then you may use this particular portion of the tax form. If you are not a resident, then you don't have to use that particular tax form,"
"I see. So... Every... The tax forms would all remain the same. There'd be two separate boxes on the tax forms. Is that right?"
"No. They could have one box, and for those who lived within the City, they could choose to use the box. If those..."
"But what is you wanted to give money to the Governor's race, but not to the Mayor's race or the Mayor's race and not the Governor's race."
"Yes, you would have to have a... According to my Amendment, you would need one check off area for my Amendment. But then Representative Preston's Bill, if it passed and became law, would also require a separate check-off box for the gubernatorial election."
"So if both of them passed, your Amendment and the Bill, there'd be two separate boxes on all the tax forms."
"That is correct."
"And... But only those people in the City of Chicago could... could mark the box that deals with the City of Chicago's Mayor's race."
"I assume that would be correct."
"Well, if we're going to do that, we're going to have two separate boxes on the income tax form, why not just specify that you can check off for any municipality's mayor's race?"
"That was the exact question that was asked by Representative Olson, and I said that that would probably 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 be a natural extension of this fine idea."
"Why not... Why don't you hold... hold the Amendment? We can draft a third Amendment that... or second Amendment that would do that?"
"If Representative Preston would like to hold his Bill, then I'll be happy to hold the Amendment. If he wants to take it out of the record, we'll proceed to this at another time."
"Well, that's up to him, but I would think it might be a good idea. Then you would agree then to that Amendment that would allow for all municipalities to have a check off?"
"Allow me to say it's a natural extension of this concept, and I think that if you're going to go ahead with the concept you ought to do it across the board."
"So you're in favor of that... of that Amendment."
"Sounds like a wonderful idea."
"And if your Amendment passes, you're in favor of the Bill?"
"Well..."
"Or are you just trying to kill the Bill? Let's get down to the bottom line. Are you trying to kill the Bill or are you trying to pass the Bill with your Amendment?"
"I'm absolutely in favor of the Bill if we can help out the residents of the City of Chicago for all the good work and fine things..."
"So if the Amendment gets on, then you'd be for the Bill."
"Yes."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Dewitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, just for the purposes of requesting a 46 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 recorded Roll Call vote on this. And I don't want you to misunderstand, but that's just asking for a favorable vote on the Amendment. That's asking that the machine be activated and people have to have an opportunity to be recorded on the issue."
"Well, so that if one asks for a Roll Call, that means a machine Roll Call. If you ask for a favorable Roll Call, that's generic to the Body. Is that correct?"
"Yes, and I'd like both."
"Good. Well, the Chair can only give you a mechanical Roll Call. The favorable Roll Call is in the hearts and souls in the floor. Alright, further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill, to close."
"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to those Representatives who questioned me on this Amendment. What I want to say about this is that this Amendment is no better than the Bill to which it seeks to be attached. This Amendment is no worse. This Amendment is a logical extension of the Bill which Representative Preston has introduced. If we're going to go ahead with the concept of public financing of campaigns, then this will be a natural extension, and at some point along the line, this extension will proceed throughout the whole State of Illinois. So I'm asking that you would vote on this to show whether or not it's your intention to go with this total concept or whether or not we're not going to have the concept. And I would ask for a favorable vote.",
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Preston, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My name was mentioned by the previous speaker in debate, and I simply wanted to indicate 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 that there is a giant difference between permitting municipalities, every municipality which runs into the thousands..."
"Mr. Preston, your name could be mentioned in debate, but I don't believe that's a matter of personal privilege. So, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted? All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 50 voting 'aye', 61 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. I'm sorry. Excuse me, excuse me. Mr. Preston, a fiscal note request has been made, and I believe... Mr. Clerk, has the fiscal note been filed?"
"There is no fiscal note on file at this time."
"Then the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 575. Mr. Dunn? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 580. 580, Mr. Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 580, a Bill for an Act relative to sales representatives. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1, 2 and 3 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendments 1, 2 and 3?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments filed?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 582. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"House Bill 582, a Bill for an Act in relationship to ownership of agricultural lands. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendments 1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Woodyard, amends House Bill..."
"Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table Amendment #2, to table Amendment #2."
"You want to withdraw Amendment... Oh, you want to table Amendment #2. The Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard, moves to table Amendment #2. All those in favor... On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be tabled?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment 2 is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Woodyard, amends House Bill 532..."
"Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard, on Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 582."
"I wish to withdraw Amendment #3."
"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Woodyard, amends House Bill..."
"Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard, on Floor Amendment #4."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is a farmland reporting Bill. And Amendment #4 basically does three things. It exempts those from this reporting Bill who are already presently reporting under the Agricultural 49 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 Foreign Investment Disclosure Act, both in the State of Illinois and at the federal level. Those people would not have to duplicate their reports. It also exempts the... exempts everyone from having to report right away. This was to take care of a problem with some of the oil companies on their pipelines. And the other thing that it does to accommodate some concerns of the home builders was to exempt from reporting..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Edgar (sic-Woodyard). For what purpose do you seek recognition, Mr. Cullerton?"
"Yes, Representative Woodyard, we don't have a copy of the Amendment. Could you just hold this for a few minutes so we can come back to it? Thank you."
"Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 597, Mr. Bowman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 597, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 599. Mr. White, do you wish to proceed on 599? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 599, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative McCracken, amends House Bill 599..."
"Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. McCracken, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 599."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 House. This Amendment, in effect, would delete the requirement that the state pay for the WICK program in the event that federal funding is not forthcoming. And the reason for that, essentially, is one of timeliness. There has been much talk in the federal budget discussions about cutting the WICK program. But, as a matter of fact, in the forthcoming fiscal year, there is going to be an eleven percent increase in the federal funding for the WICK program for the State of Illinois over current levels. The fact being that, therefore, the Bill is not appropriate this time and I think is a matter better left to at discussion at a time when, in fact, a need may arise. So it's not timely, and I would ask that we adopt the Amendment and await further federal action. There is no necessity for acting on it in this Session."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, moves for the adoption of House Amendment #1 to House Bill 599. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. White."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like very much for a ruling from the Chair. I believe that this Amendment is defective on line six... line 20. Line six of the Amendment, line 20 of the Bill. Mr. Speaker, specifically the word 'any'. Will you zero in on that word? 'Any' in the Bill and 'any' in the Amendment."
"The Amendment is out of order. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 615. Mr. Clerk, read the
"
"House Bill 615, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to election laws. Second Reading of the Bill. 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 617, Mr. Shaw. Out of the record. Mr. Shaw, do you wish that to be read? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 617, a Bill for an Act concerning the administration of school districts. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Friedrich, for what purpose do you seek recognition? The Gentleman from Marion. Yeah, alright. Yeah, alright. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 618, Mr. Davis. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 619, Ms. Zwick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 619, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments?" 52 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 623. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 623, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 627. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 627, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 6... 636. Mr. Clerk..."
"House Bill..."
"Mr. Curran, do you wish to have that Bill called? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 645. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 645, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the licensing and regulation of raffles and casino nights. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 650, Mr. Tate. Out of the record. On the Order of House... Yes, Mr. Dunn, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Not on this Bill. If you want to call my Bill, I'd prefer that. I didn't have my light on for any purpose, Mr. Speaker. It's up to you."
"Thank you, Mr. Dunn. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 682. Mr. Kulas. Mr. Clerk, call the Bill."
"House Bill 682, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of the practice of respiratory care. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Kulas, amends House Bill 682 on page one."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kulas, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 682."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1, which we spoke about in Committee, I agreed to put this Amendment on the House floor. It's an agreed Amendment by the Medical Society, and it takes care of the problems of the laboratory technicians and also the problems that the paramedics and the fire department had with this Bill. And I would ask for its adoption."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kulas, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 682. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."
"It takes care of the problems in what manner, Representative Kulas?"
"There was a problem that the paramedics who were 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day certified with the fire department would have... would have been included. Now it takes them out of this regulation. And the same thing... there was a certain problem with the laboratory technicians that they would have been prohibited from doing certain of their jobs. This takes care of their problem."
"You're saying... and you prefaced your comments by saying that the State Medical Society supports this Amendment and there is apparently no opposition, is that correct?"
"Yes. It's an agreed Amendment, right."
"Has the Amendment, Mr. Speaker, been printed and distributed?"
"Has it been... Yes, it has been distributed, Mr. Johnson."
"Thank you for your explanation."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchil."
"Mr. Speaker, we don't seem to have the Amendment on this side of the aisle. Are you sure that it's been printed and distributed?"
"Yes, Mr. Churchill, you've had an opportunity to examine it?"
"Yes."
"Do you seek recognition, Sir?"
"No."
"Alright. No one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 685. Mr. Bullock, 685? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 691, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 691, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 692. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 692, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to state police. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendment."
"Alright. There is a request for a fiscal note requested as amended. However, the Bill is not amended. Yes, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Well, we still want the fiscal note."
"Pardon?"
"We still want the fiscal note."
"There has been a fiscal note requested. There was a fiscal note filed. Now there's a fiscal note for the Bill as amended, but the Bill hasn't been amended."
"But it ought to be."
"Well, that's up to you. Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 694. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Cullerton? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"House Bill 694, a Bill for May 9, 1985 an Act to amend Sections of the State's Attorneys' Appellate Service Commission Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 703. Ms. Breslin, 703? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 703, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Breslin."
"Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Breslin, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bill, as it is presently written, requires, mandates that every county establish a countywide plan for disposal of solid waste. This Amendment that I would propose would change it from a mandatory plan to make it permissive. It would allow counties to establish such a plan. It would set out criteria that they should consider in developing such a plan, and it would allow them, at their discretion, to establish a fee on waste disposal in order to cover the costs of the development of such a plan. I would ask for favorable consideration."
"Yes, Mr. Cullerton."
"Mr. Speaker, I apologize, but for some reason, even though I'm told that the Amendment was distributed, we don't have a copy of the Amendment here. So I would ask that the Sponsor just give us a second." 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Ms. Breslin, perhaps you could just hold it for a minute. We'll come right back to you. We'll go on to the next Bill and come right back to you while Mr. Cullerton gets another copy of the Amendment. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 715. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 715, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Pharmacy Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Nash, amends House Bill 715 by deleting line..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. DeLeo."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is to correct a drafting error in the number of hours of a pharmacists continuing education. It has been changed from 30 hours per year to 30 hours covering over two years which correlate with the license renewal period. The effective date of this Bill has been extended to July 1, 1986 to avoid confusion during March, 1986 which is the license renewal cycle. The second paragraph says that the Department of Registration and Education is granted rule making authority for verification on continuing education and to grant waivers in cases of extreme hardship. To address any fiscal concerns, the Department is given the authority to establish a 20 dollar fee to cover the cost of maintaining any required records. The Amendment was drafted with the cooperation of the Illinois Pharmacists' and the Department of R&E. It addresses the concerns raised by the Department in the Committee."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. DeLeo, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 715. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from 58 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 Livingston, Mr. Ewing."
"Mr. Speaker, I was wondering if my light was working. On House Bill 703, it's been on for some time. I realize we've gone on."
"We took 703 out of the record."
"Thank you. That's what I wanted to.."
"Mr. Piel, the Gentleman from Cook, which Bill would you like to speak on, Sir?"
"Why don't we try 715 first, Mr. Speaker."
"Alright. Let's try it."
"Mr. Nash, I know that you and Mr. DeLeo are seatmates, but I'm not quite sure which one wants to speak on the Bill. I mean, is this a team effort here? Oh, okay. because I just saw Nash's name on there."
"Are you asking leave for a question?"
"Yeah, could I ask a couple of questions? I'm not sure which one I'm supposed ask."
"Yes, Gentleman will yield for a question."
"I'm not sure which one I'm supposed to ask the questions to. But..."
"Well, ask them and we'll see who answers. Go ahead."
"Who... who put... You put this... I'm not sure. Okay. I'll ask the question, and then either one who wants to... Okay, that's fair. Who put the... You put the Amendment in, Representative Nash-DeLeo, for who?"
"The Bill came from the Pharm..."
"For what group?"
"The Bill came from the pharmacists and the Amendments from the pharmacists."
"But this mandates a 30 hour requirement, correct?"
"Yes."
"Why did they... You know, you're mandating a 30 hour 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 requirement over a two year period. What if a person doesn't? Does that start all over again from square one? If, let's say, they've got 28 hours done in two years and they were in the process of another course."
"Representative Piel, where do you see over a two year period?"
"I'm sorry, what?"
"Are you addressing the Bill or the Amendment?"
"The Amendment. It's requiring 30 continuous hours over a two year period, or 30 hours over a two year period. And the reason I asked the... the reason I asked the question is what happens if they've got 28 and they're going in... they're taking another..."
"The original Bill, they had to get 30 hours during a one year period and that was changed to a two year period. So they can get 15 hours one year, 15 the other year."
"So, in other words, it's got to be 15 and 15. It couldn't be 14 and 16."
"No, it can be 30 in one year but as long as it's 30 in a two year period."
"What... Are there provisions in there as far as clearing up if they were in a situation, let's say they finished 28 and they were taking the other two hour course at that time, when the time lapse ran up from two years?"
"Bob, if there's a problem, I'll be glad to bring it back from Third Reading and make those corrections. But, to my knowledge, this has all been agreed on."
"Okay. Well, if I see a problem, I'll talk to you about it. Thank you."
"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Indicates he will." 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Representative Nash, was this proposal brought to you by the Department?"
"No, this isn't by the Department. This is by the pharmacists."
"Okay. And have you been able to ascertain whether or not there are sufficient courses for a registered pharmacists to receive 30 hours of continuing education during a two year period?"
"No, I haven't personally checked it, but I've been told there is."
"Okay, so that if somebody... What I'm trying get at is if somebody were residing in the southern part of the State of Illinois, would that person have access to 30 hours of continuing education or would that person lose their licensure because they had not right to get to a place to study and meet these requirements?"
"Representative Churchill, I'd be glad to check into it; and, if we get this Bill to Third Reading, I'd be glad to bring it back to amend it to correct that concern. That's a very good point."
"Okay. Based on that representation, I have no further questions."
"Further discussion? Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Now, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 703. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 703, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. This Bill 61 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Breslin."
"The Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Breslin, on Floor Amendment #1... 2?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker..."
"Floor Amendment #1 or 2, Mr. Clerk? Mr. Clerk, is that Floor Amendment #1? Proceed, Ms. Breslin."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, again, this Amendment would change this Bill to make it permissive rather than mandatory. It would allow counties or municipalities, pursuant to an intergovernmental agreement, to prepare solid waste management plans. It also sets out criteria that they should consider when developing such plans, and then it allows them, again at their discretion, to charge a fee on solid waste disposal in their community with ... to an amount of not to exceed 50 cents per cubic yard. This fee would be restricted to covering the cost of the development of the plan itself and for any further preparation or implementation of their solid waste program, which might be a materials recovery program. It might be a market development of recyclable materials, etcetera. So, that is the purpose of this Amendment. It makes it permissive. It will then not be a state mandate and, I think, makes it a better Bill."
"The Lady from LaSalle moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 703. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."
"Would... Yes, would the Sponsor yield for questions?"
"Indicates that she will"
"Representative Breslin, why do we have to have this 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 permissiveness? Can't LaSalle County do this now without putting it in the statute book?"
"Well, supposedly, counties only have the authority that is vested in them from the state, and presently that is they do not have this authority, and they do not have the authority to charge a fee."
"But you're saying a county can't make plans for disposal of solid wastes then. We all know that many of them do."
"Yes."
"You don't think... You're certain that isn't in any of their general powers?" Breslin; "I am not certain, Representative. The major object is to encourage them to do so and to let them know that they can charge a fee in order to cover their costs."
"This isn't a plan to make it one step at a time? Next year we'll mandate it?"
"That's not the plan. My original... my original Bill made it mandatory. However, it has been brought to my attention that many believe that that would be too expensive. So we think we should leave it up to the counties."
"Yes, well, it certainly was, and I agree with you. It was much too expensive."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."
"Does this Amendment apply to Cook County?"
"It does, and it..."
"Well, Cook County presently is a home rule county."
"Yes. And it allows them to develop the plan... allows the City of Chicago to develop such a plan on its own pursuant to an intergovernmental agreement. And as I... as it has been described to me, they have no problem with this language."
"But in following up on your previous line of 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day questioning, May 9, 1985 because the other communities are not home rule communities, it requires a state law to permit them. For clarification, isn't it true that Cook County or the City of Chicago can do this now?"
"I think it probably is."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To speak to the Amendment, we have a similar problem in Lake County, and we've been trying to wrestle with the problem of what to do with our waste for some period of time. We have a state's attorney's opinion that says that the counties and the municipalities do not have the right to enter into the intergovernmental agreements, which Ms. Breslin is talking about; that they need some statutory authority to do that. And so I would rise in support of Representative Breslin's Amendment to this Bill."
"Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this Amendment, again coming from one of the collar counties. We have had a great deal of problems about landfills, and I think this is an attempt that is reasonable. And it certainly allows the townships... I mean the counties to finally do something about solving some of these problems. It's long past the time where these counties must start doing some planning. I think this will at least give them the funds to do it, and I stand in support of the Amendment."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"No further Amendments."
May 9, 1985 "Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 717. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 720. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 722. Mr. McGann? Out of the record. Mr. Matijevich? Is Mr. Matijevich in the chamber? Mr. Matijevich, if you had some duties that you wish to perform... On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 725. Mr. White, 725? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 737. Mr. Countryman, 737. Out of the rec... Yes. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 737, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."
"Yes, any Motions with respect to Amendment #2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."
"House Bills 753, on the Order of Second Reading, Steczo. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 753, a Bill for an Act in relation to the taxation of gasohol and amending certain Acts herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"I don't see Representative Steczo there. Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 755, Loleta Didrickson. Alright. She's ready. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 755, a Bill for an Act concerning spouse and child support payments and amending certain Acts 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Amendments from the floor?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. 760, out of the record. 768, Steczo. Out of the record. 777, out of the record. 781, out of the record. 782, Representative Braun. Is she ready? Read the Bill."
"House Bill 782, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in..."
"Out of the record. Out of the record. House Bill 786, Berrios. You ready? Read the Bill."
"House Bill 786, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Amendments from the floor?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 791, Saltsman. 7912 Out of the record. 793, McPike. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 793, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to natural resources, research, data collection and environmental studies. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Amendments from the floor?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative McPike, amends House Bill 793 as amended by deleting everything and so forth." 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"The Majority Leader, Representative McPike, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 tries to meet the three objections that the Pollution Control Board voiced in Committee. It provides that the... that if the Pollution Control Board does not receive the preliminary economic impact statement within 30 days, the Board may proceed on the proposed rule and hold public hearings as allowed under current law. Number two, it removes the advice of the Economic Technical Advisory Committee. Number three, it removes the requirement of the Department to adopt rules specifying criteria for completing the preliminary assessments. Move the adoption of the Amendment."
"Representative McPike has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 793. Is there discussion? Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"
"He indicates he will. Proceed."
"This Amendment... If this Amendment is adopted to the Bill, is it accurate to say that the Bill will then provide that for every proposed rule change, there will be a 30 day period for a Department of Energy and Natural Resources assessment of the proposal before the Pollution Control Board?"
"That's true, but it doesn't preclude them from moving ahead. During that 30 day period, they have to provide public notice of the first hearing. So it provides no delay for the PCB."
"So, there is no delay for the Pollution Control Board's own hearing process. Every proposal for a rule or regulation before the Board is subject to this 30 day 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 assessment from DENR and all applicants for rule changes are treated the same under your Amendment, is that right?"
"That's right."
"So, if this Amendment passes, then House Bill 793 will not prolong the process for Pollution Control Board consideration of rules and regulations. It will only require an additional bureaucratic investigation by the Department of Energy and Natural Resources while that process continues. Is that right?"
"That's right."
"Thank you."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted? All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 797, Cullerton. Are you ready on that Bill? Proceed. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 797, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Amendments from the floor?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cullerton, amends House Bill 797..."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative John Cullerton."
"Technical Amendment. It just changes the word 'to' to the word 'of'."
"Representative Cullerton has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 797. No discussion. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"Third Reading. House Laurino, are you ready? Read the Bill."
"House Bill 800, a Bill for Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. May 9, 1985 Bill 800, Laurino. an Act to amend Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Amendments from the floor?"
"Floor Amendment #2. offered by Representative Tate, amends House Bill 800 as amended in Section 1 and so forth."
"Representative Tate, on Amendment #2."
"I'd like to table Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Amendments?"
Further Clerk O'Brien: "Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Pedersen."
"Representative Pedersen, on Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Everyone agrees that Illinois drivers should carry insurance, or at least be financially responsible. That's what all those surveys really tell us. The question is, can more government solve the problem? This legislation is a major governmental initiative into the private sector. Assuming this Body opts for a governmental intrusion, House Bill 800 needs some fine tuning. We have heard a lot about Oregon, but it's not a good state to compare Illinois to. Not only is there a big difference in population, but they don't have a big city like Chicago. It's better to check the New York experience. It's the big cities that tend το be problem. Much is made of the sunset provision, but how many states, no matter how horrible the results, have gotten rid of compulsory auto insurance? Rather than rely a 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 on just sunset, why not try a more prudent approach? Experiment with Chicago only on this Bill and just see how it works. If it does, then we can extend it to the whole state. In the meantime, it's also going to be easier to administer, and it will also be easier to discontinue under sunset since it would be a limited experience... since it would be a limited experiment. The debate under sunset would be more meaningful to keep it as is, to expand it or to dump it. I urge passage of this prudent approach to House Bill 300 by approving Amendment #3."
"Representative Pedersen has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw."
"Mr. Speaker, we are requesting a Democratic Caucus."
"Well, you're not the guy to do it. You can talk to somebody else. Representative Laurino, on Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 is a very prudent approach to trying to solve a problem that is massive and effects the entire State of Illinois. What Representative Pedersen is suggesting is basically to give us the situation where it would be unenforceable because there's just no way of confining that type... this type of legislation to one part of the state. So I urge the defeat of this Amendment."
"Representative Tate, on Amendment #3."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would ask the Chair to allow a Roll Call on this issue. But to the Amendment, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment 3 is basically... limits the issue to the City of Chicago. If all those that are really sincerely concerned about the issue of uninsured motorists in this state will agree that the vast majority of uninsured motorists are located in the 70 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 Chicagoland area. And many of us have a concern that because this Bill would, in fact, raise insurance premiums throughout the state, that there is no reason to subsidize one specific location and one specific driver located in a specific geographical region. So, therefore, I think if we're going to implement a public policy of mandating insurance for the state, that, first of all, what we should try to do is address the issue where the issue needs to address, and that's in the City of Chicago. So I ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"Representative Huff."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to oppose the proposal suggested in Amendment #3. We have to realize, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that 85 percent of the traffic in this state at any one time of the day is on the Dan Ryan. And data has proved that of the two million cars that traverse the Dan Ryan through the heart of Chicago, only 15 percent at any time are cars from Chicago. I think this is a terrible Amendment to a terrible Bill, because it doesn't recognize the fact that whenever the accidents, and there are thousands monthly, occur on that... on that expressway, those accidents are charged to the people in the immediate area rather than to the address of the insured. And I don't think that's right. And I think that we should take into account that if we have a million motorists in Chicago without insurance it's simply because they cannot afford the rate. And I think this measure, 800, should allow for a rate review. And for that reason, I'm opposed not only to this Amendment but to the Bill itself."
"Representative Pedersen, to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I agree that it's a terrible Bill and that it's unenforceable in the whole 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 state, and I agree that it doesn't work. All our figures show that... that the vast majority of uninsured motorists are in the City of Chicago so it's really unfair for the rest of the state to have to help solve that problem. It's... And if it's going to be enforceable and workable at all, it would surely be easier to enforce if we just had one city. So, therefore, I urge an 'aye' vote on this prudent approach to the problem."
"Representative Pedersen has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 800. This will be a Roll Call vote. Those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Laurino, are you seeking recognition? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Let me assure you that House Bill 800 has had quite a few Sponsors over the years, and there has been a printing mistake in the Calendar. And it should read Laurino-McAuliffe."
"Clerk will... Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 19 voting 'aye', 87 voting 'no', and Amendment #3 fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Parke, amends House Bill 800 on page nine in line 34."
"Representative Parke, on Amendment #4. Representative Parke."
"Yes. I think the deleting... I'd like to see the 250 dollars deleted and insert 500 dollars as the fine for the first violation."
"... Parke has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino. Representative Laurino, on Amendment #4."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It took quite a bit of 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day thinking to realize that the fine that would be imposed would not be so severe that it would cripple people and yet be severe enough so that they would understand that this is a serious enough problem where they should purchase their insurance. So I think 250 dollars for the first violation is in accordance with being a little benevolent and also being strict."
"Representative Parke, to close."
"If this is something as serious as people are claiming it to be, then I think we should take the initiative to make sure that there's some teeth in it. And I think 250 dollars is easy when you figure what cost of insurance is, is easy to overlook getting it. And I think 500 is substantially more, and I think it would make people think twice, because you're starting to get close to what the cost of this kind of insurance will cost the person. So they may feel that why not get the insurance. This is an incentive to do so."
"Representative Parke has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no', and Amendment #4 fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5..."
"Just a moment. The Gentleman wanted a Roll Call. Let's run it back. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed signify by voting 'no' on Amendment #4. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 23 'ayes', 83 'nos', and Amendment #4 fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Regan, amends House Bill 800 as amended by deleting all Sections and so forth."
"Representative Regan, on Amendment #5." 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I feel that big brother has come to the road system of the State of Illinois. This is just one more way in which roadblocks can be put up and stop the public without any decent reason to check safety belts, drunken driving and now to check your insurance card. And I feel that this Amendment will give an innocent citizen a chance to defend themself in case his insurance is lapsed by a temporary vacation or something of this sort. Amendment #5 provides that the Secretary of State shall hold a public hearing before suspending a license for failing to have insurance."
"Representative Regan has moved for the adoption of Amendment #5. On that, the Gentleman from Cook..."
"Roll Call vote, please."
"Yes, you'll have it. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Regan, you're aware of the fact that there's been some complaints of the Secretary of State's Office that they don't have enough hearing officers to hear requests for restricted driving permits. Are you aware of that?"
"Yes, I'm aware. I believe that probably that the Secretary of State's Office will grow, and grow and grow with the passage of this Bill. So I think you'll be able to supply enough hearing officers if you pass this Bill."
"So, your Amendment would require the hiring of a good many more hearing officers, wouldn't it?"
"I think the citizens should be protected from ripping their license away with one offense."
"Well, how many more hearing officers do you expect 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 would be needed to be hired for the implementation of your Amendment?"
"I think we should have quite a few of them and, also, we're probably going have to have a lot more officers, too, to set up all these roadblocks. So, we should expand this budget considerably."
"Gkay. I understand that about 20 hearing officers would cost about a million dollars. Now, how many millions of dollars do you expect your Amendment to cost?"
"I don't know the exact figures involved in this, but I know that the Bill is bad. And I think that it's an invasion of privacy, and I think this is one way to give the public a break."
"Okay. I just want to ascertain whether or not you're serious about the Amendment or you're not serious about the Amendment. And I believe your answer is that you're not serious about the Amendment."
"Very serious about the Amendment."
"Okay. And you want the Amendment to get on so that you can make the Bill worse so you can vote against it again or something. I don't understand. So that more people can vote against it? Do you think if the Amendment gets on you'll get more 'no' votes or more 'yes' votes?"
"I haven't the faintest idea."
"Okay. Alrighty. Then... And you know that you're sponsoring an Amendment that will cost the state millions more dollars, right?"
"The Bill itself is going to cost the taxpayers millions of dollars."
"But you want it to cost more."
"I think the situation has been explained, and I think we should call for a Roll vote."
"Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not allowed to ask any more 75 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 questions, apparently. I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. Has my time run out?"
"Not yet."
"Well, the Sponsor of the Bill should, I think, be entitled to give his opinion. If he runs out of time, maybe we can get somebody else to yield their time to him, because I think we do have ten minutes normally to speak to an Amendment. I think that the Secretary of State's Office would be opposed to this type of Amendment. They have enough trouble, from what I can gather, with the request for restricted driving permits, and there's been a delay in the response to those requests. Now, if we were to impose these... right to notice of hearings for these drivers, they'd have to get even more employees or the delays would just go on and on. So I think it's probably not a very well thought out Amendment, and I would rise in my opposition to it."
"Representative Tate, on Amendment #5."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Previous speaker had inquired about the cost of generating an additional bureaucracy. If you'll look carefully at this Amendment, it is probably one of the most serious Amendments that will be offered today. All we're asking is that every individual in this state has the opportunity to due process before we're going to go out and yank a driver's license. Now that's a simple privilege. It shouldn't... No citizen should be denied that opportunity. Before we start yanking people's license because they don't carry insurance in this state we should have a proper investigation done and those citizens should have the opportunity to have a public hearing on whether they're going to be allowed to have their drivers license yanked or not. Because there's many cases, and we all know how 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 bureaucracy works in this state, and there's many times that the bureaucracy may not work right. And... just, in fact, to give you a couple examples of how this process could, in fact, work, let's say if you're in the process right now of transferring your insurance for one... however your card that we're going to be issued by right now says that your insurance is going to be carried by Allstate Insurance, but you... the previous month before that transferred it to State Farm. Yet, it doesn't show up on the card, and you're going to have your drivers license yanked. That's not fair. That's not right, and this Amendment should go on."
"Sponsor of the Bill, Representative Laurino, on Amendment #5."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, aside from this being an economic boost to the Secretary of State's budget obviously, who doesn't particularly feel that he wants this Amendment, I feel that basically what you're doing is turning it into a bureaucratic nightmare. Right now if you get your... for any reason if you get your license suspended, you can request a hearing. And in that light, I don't think there's any reason to mandate that every suspension be a situation where you have to go and have a public hearing. If the man or woman or youngster feels that they have a reason for a hearing, they can request one from the Secretary of State. It's their right at the moment. So I don't think there's any necessity to adopt this Amendment. I move the defeat of this Amendment."
"Representative Regan, to close."
"I'd just like to bring to the floor this Amendment. I think that it protects the rights of the innocent victims that may be attacked out there by the roadblocks. And bring it to a Roll Call vote, please." 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Representative Regan has moved for the adoption of Amendment #5. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 29 'ayes', 78 'nos' and 1 answering 'present'. Amendment #5 fails. I understand that... Representative Giglio, the Gentleman from Cook, for what purpose do are you seeking recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Democrats are requesting a Caucus."
"How long do you need, Frank?"
"Oh, maybe about half hour."
"Alright. Half hour. Let's be here at... Is 3:00 alright, Frank? Can you do it that quick?"
"Three o'clock would be fine."
"Alright. We'll be back on the floor at 3:00. The House stands in recess for a Democratic Caucus..."
"Want to give us a room?"
"... in Room 114. Representative Daniels, do you seek recognition?"
"We could never allow you to have a Caucus without us having a Conference."
"Be our guests."
"So we will have a Conference, with your permission, Sir, in Room 118 so we can talk about what you're talking about so we can be prepared when you come back."
"You have our... You have our permission."
"However, Mr. Speaker, we would prefer that Mr. Bullock not be there."
"Alright. He's going to be busy in ours. Democrats in 114, Republicans in 118. Back on the floor at 3:00. The House stands in recess. We're going to do a 78 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 little business now. The recessed Session of the House will come to order. Committee Reports."
"Representative Levin, Chairman of the Committee on Public Utilities, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Interim Study Calendar House Bills 389, 417, 794, 973, 1322, 1336, 1509, 1594, 1653, 1674, 1724, 1727, 1883, 1913, 1982, 2041, 2049, 2140, 2292, 2314, 2319, 2360, 2366, 2374, 2388, 2403 and 2453."
"Representative Bullock, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to give a report on the Republican Caucus."
"Were you the referee or ..."
"The fact of the matter was Representative Vinson did not deliver the invitation in time, so I was unable to attend. But I want the distinguished leader to know that I stand ready to attend their Caucus at any time and, hopefully, bring about a more civil atmosphere on my side of the aisle. And I think that, Mr. Speaker, Representative Daniels and I have scheduled a dinner engagement tonight, and I think by next week I can report on who attended and what we discussed. The important thing, however, is that the Republican Caucus is always civil. It's always the same. Vinson talks and Daniels listens."
"And it's always long. Representative Vinson, in rebuttal."
"Not in rebuttal, Mr. Speaker. I just understand that we have a number of Republicans of color today, and I'm proud to see them here."
"Representative Friedrich, is there anything 79 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day you want to add to that?"
"Well, I just thought... Just was going to ask if it was an open meeting under the Open Meetings Act."
"With leave of the House, we are going to, just for the moment, leave House Bill 800 and go to Consent Calendar Second Reading, page 51, Page 51. The Clerk will read the Bill."
"Consent Calendar Second Reading, Second Day. House Bill 1438, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. A request for a fiscal note has been withdrawn."
"The fiscal note request has been withdrawn on that Bill. Third Reading. Messages from the Senate."
"Message from the Senate, by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolutions, and the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House, to wit; Senate Joint Resolution #56, Senate Joint Resolution #50, Senate Joint Resolution #51, and 52, and 53 and 55, adopted by the Senate, May 9, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.""
"The House will now return to the Order of second Bills... House Bills Second Reading, on page 15 of the Calendar. We were on House Bill 800. And Amendment #5 had failed. Are there further Amendments?"
"Amendment #6, offered by Representative Tate, amends House Bill 800 on page ten, line four, by inserting '500'... by deleting 500 and inserting in lieu thereof '$1000'."
"Representative Tate, on Amendment #6."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would table Amendment 6." 80 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Leave to withdraw Amendment #6. Leave, and Amendment 6 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Parke, amends House Bill 800 on page ten, by deleting line 14 and so forth."
"Representative Terry Parke, on Amendment #7. Amendment #7."
"Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, Amendment 7 simply states, and a lot of people are hanging their hat on, that...."
"One moment. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, I've looked at Amendments #7, 8 and 9. I believe they're technically incorrect, and I would like a ruling from the Chair on that."
"We'll be at ease for a moment. The Parliamentarian will look at those Amendments. Representative Tate."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. Amendment 7, 8 and 9 were drafted by the Legislative Reference Bureau. Can you ask the objector what the nature of his objections are?"
"Let's proceed with 7. 7 is alright. It is in order. So, Representative Parke, on Amendment #7."
"Thank you very much. One of the things that the opponents... proponents of this Bill seem to be telling us is that we don't have to worry anything about this legislation because, in four years, it will be sunsetted, and we'll have an opportunity, at that time, to determine whether or not this, in fact, is working. What I would like to ask, by virtue of this Amendment, is that if, in fact, this is such a great idea, that why not have a report to this Assembly on January 1 of 1990 telling us, in fact, this wonderful piece of legislation that is supposed to be 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 so good for the people if, in fact, it really is working. And all this report... all this is is an Amendment asking for a report from the Department of Insurance telling us so that we have some reference, some material that we can use to make a determination of whether or not it should continue or it should be, in fact, dropped at July 1, 1990."
"Representative Parke has moved for the adoption of Amendment #7. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #7 is requiring the Department of Insurance to create a study. And inasmuch as the Secretary of State's Office is going to be administering this Bill, I don't think he needs the Department of Insurance to study his actions. If the Bill isn't working, I'm sure he'll let us know rather quickly. So, I move for the defeat of this Amendment."
"Representative Tate."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #7 quite simply just provides that the Department of Insurance shall study the effects of this Act and report to the Illinois General Assembly by 1990. First of all, the Department of Insurance went on record in the House Insurance Committee as being in favor of this legislation. Second of all, there is no better place to have a study conducted than by the Department of Insurance that has to work with insurance companies throughout this state. And so if we're going to give this Bill and if the proponents of this Bill sincerely feel that they want to implement this in the public policy in this state and have some type of evaluation whether this is the appropriate public policy that this state should carry through, then I feel that we should have at least some vehicle alive in this legislation 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 that allows for an objective study done and done no better than by the Department of Insurance. I ask for a favorable Roll Cali."
"Representative Friedrich. Representative Dwight Friedrich."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, if you've been following the insurance business, you know we're losing some of our markets in Illinois. Some of the companies are pulling out of Illinois for various reasons, and I think they'll be pulling out if this Bill should become law. So I think it's really important that the Department of Insurance have an update and a report to us, because they'll know when the insurance companies are leaving and why."
"Representative Terry Parke, to close."
"Thank you. I guess I'm kind of perplexed. I would just think that the Sponsor of this legislation would want to join with me in Cosponsoring this piece of legis... this Amendment. It just makes sense to me that if he feels as strong as he seems to say he is about this, that why not give all of us the opportunity and a written evaluation to make sure, in fact, that it's working. Because I will guarantee you each one of us is going to have input from our constituents whether they think this is good or bad. And don't you think that as intelligent Legislators that we should have the tool to help make that decision of whether or not this legislation should continue? I ask you. Good common sense would dictate that this legislation should be part of it. And I ask for a favorable vote. Thank you."
"Representative Parke has moved for the adoption of Amendment #7 to House Bill 800. Those in favor say 'aye, those opposed 'no". Alright, we'll have a Roll Call. There's a request for a Roll Call. Those in favor 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Yes, Representative Tate, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Yes, to explain my vote."
"You spoke in debate. You're out of order. Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 38 'ayes', 68 'nos', 1 answering 'present', and Amendment #7 fails. We'll be at ease. We're checking out Amendments 8 and 9 for the moment. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representative Pedersen."
"The ruling of the Chair - Amendment #9 is in order. Representative Pedersen, on Amendment #9."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Everyone agrees that Illinois drivers should carry insurance or at least be financially responsible. That's what all those surveys really tell us. The question is, can more government solve the problem? This legislation is a major governmental initiative in to the private sector. Assuming this Body opts for a governmental intrusion, there is a need for adequate time to properly plan this major, makework project. State of Illinois will have to plan, hire and train many new employees. The Legislature will have to begin its annual tinkering with the new law, which will be major, especially the first year. Insurance companies will have to plan, hire, train new employees and try to pass on as much of the massive new workload onto the agency force. Agencies will do likewise, including how to keep the massive new workload with the insurance companies. Little agents will need time to increase sales to cover greatly increased costs for malpractice insurance and mailings, and then the technology needed to compete with 84 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 big agents and training time needed to train employees in an explanation of why compulsory auto insurance and government intrusion don't work. Amendment #8 delays the effective date and sunset date by just one year. I urge support for this Amendment #8."
"Pedersen has moved for the adoption of Amendment #8. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino, Chief Sponsor of the Bill."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, this Bill has been around the Legislature for 15 years. It's been introduced every year since I've been here. And the Secretary of State's Office is working in compliance with the Bill. They support it. They know that they can handle it. They don't need an extension of one more year to get geared up for this type of legislation. I move for the defeat of Amendment #8."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, on Amendment #8."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #8 is another Amendment that is being offered in good faith to improve this legislation. What we have in front of us today is many different Members of this chamber feel that there needs some substantive changes in the Bill and it needs some improvements. We've talked about hearings. We were going to talk about fines. Now we're talking about just one more issue which is having an opportunity to delay the effective date, giving us an additional year for the insurance companies, the insurance agents and the consumers to comply with this legislation. I ask again for you to think before you vote on this and give it a favorable Roll Call."
"Representative Pedersen, to close."
"Well, I agree that Illinois has been tinkering around with this legislation for a long time and so have a lot of 85 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 the other states, both before and since they passed the legislation. Maybe the Secretary of State is in good shape to take on all this extra work, but they are not the only institutions involved, the only businesses that are involved. So I urge sincere support for this Amendment which would give us more time to set it up."
"Representative Pedersen has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 800. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 33 'ayes', 70 answering 'no', and Amendment #38 fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #9, offered by Representative Regan, amends House Bill 800 as amended by deleting the title and so forth."
"Representative Regan, on Amendmnet #3 to House Bill 800. The ruling of the Chair, the Amendment is in order."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to table Amendment #9, please."
"Leave of the House to withdraw Amendment #Э. Leave, and Amendment #39 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #10, offered by Representative Shaw, amends House Bill 800 as amended in Section 1 and so forth."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative William Shaw, on Amendment #10."
"Amendment #10, all that it does is require that the Department of Insurance set up uniform rates around the state. I think this is a good Amendment because of the fact that the... what has existed in the... in certain neighborhoods around Illinois in terms of what the insurance companies has done in terms of red-lining neighborhoods, I don't think that we can afford to allow 86 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 this Bill to get out of this House and become law without having some forms of uniform rates or a cap set on the rates that an insurance company can charge the people of this state. And I ask that this Amendment be adopted."
"Representative Shaw has moved for the adoption of Amendment #10 to House Bill 800. Lady from Cook, Representative Braun, on Amendment #10."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative... I rise in support of Amendment #10. Representative Shaw is attempting to bring before this Body a very serious problem in our innercity communities. As a matter of fact, people who live in innercities have been discriminated against and have been red-lined by the operation of the insurance companies in this state. It costs me, Representative Alexander, Representative Shaw, the minority Members of this General Assembly one and a half to two times as much to purchase insurance as it does in the non-minority communities throughout this state. The major insurance companies which write policies across the state avoid our neighborhoods. The major insurance companies have left our neighborhoods. We are left to be victims of unscrupulous companies in many instances which charge our people much more than would be considered fair by anyone else. All that this Amendment seeks to do, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, is to put some fairness into this proposal. We would ask Secretary Edgar, if you are concerned about mandatory insurance, are you concerned about fairness? If you are concerned about protecting people who drive automobiles in this state, are you concerned about protecting all of the people who drive in this state? If you are concerned about coverage of people who may be injured or who may have difficulties in some accident throughout the state, are you concerned about 87 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 all of them? Because if you are concerned about all of them, then you should stand up on this floor in support of fairness in rates throughout the state against red-lining and against the kinds of discriminatory treatment by insurance companies that our communities have suffered in the past. I rise in support of this Amendment, and I encourage your support as well."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, last year when Representative Shaw put this Amendment on, I suggested to him at that time that if he felt that strongly about it why not introduce it as a Bill and have it get a full and correct hearing in Committee so that it could be discussed logically and intelligently. He refused to do it evidentally this year and so he tries to put this on as an Amendment. I think it's too serious of an Amendment in nature alone to be put on a Bill that does not necessarily need it. Representative Braun indicates that she wants fairness. I don't know any other ability to secure fairness than open competitive bidding. I move for the rejection of this Amendment."
"Representative Shaw, to close."
"Thank you, Mr.... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All I ask that they... for a favorable vote on this Amendment because what no one has said in terms of this Amendment and in terms of this Bill; that uninsured motorists - this Bill does not remove uninsured motorists. Uninsured people will still be paying uninsured motorists around this state. And that's... because of that uninsured motorist, it was brought about by the very purpose that he is now presenting this Bill and, hopefully, that the people of this Assembly will adopt this Amendment. It's a good Amendment, and I 88 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 urge you to vote 'yes' on the Amendment."
"Representative Shaw has moved for the adoption of Amendment #10 to House Bill 800. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 33 'ayes', 62 'nays', 3 answering 'present', and Amendment #10 fails. Are there further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #11, offered by Representative Tate, amends House Bill 800 as..."
"Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, on Floor Amendment #11."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #11 provides that the Secretary of State shall issue a report regarding the compliance with the mandatory insurance requirement no later than January 15, 1987 and each year thereafter. It requires that certain information be included in the report and allows any person disagreeing with the report to request a contested hearing. Provides for the distribution of the reports and for approval by the Illinois General Assembly of the last report."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #11 to House Bill 800. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"As I indicated before, Mr. Speaker, the Secretary of State will certainly keep this Body apprised, and I don't think there's a necessity to indicate that he has to report back here within 90 days after this Bill has gone into effect. Representative Tate also asks for roadblocks by police and Secretary of State police and local police to put a little hardship on people, and I don't... that's not the intention of this legislation. So, I urge the defeat of this Amendment." 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Representative Tate, to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. In no way, in no shape or form in this Amendment is there anything that even addresses the issue of roadblocks. All this Amendment does is ask the Secretary of State in 1987 to conduct and file a report concerning the compliance of this legislation. And for every year after that, up until 1990, for the next three years, asks for a report to the Illinois General Assembly. If we're going to implement public policy in this state, and we're going to change virtually... and have impact upon virtually every insurance policy in the State of Illinois for all Illinois consumers I think that this General Assembly should have the opportunity to be able to review that type of report. And we have virtually no assurances at this point whether we're going to ever be issued another report and this is all we're asking is to have the opportunity so each and every one of the Members of this General Assembly can take a look at this for future reference to determine whether it's good public policy of whether it's bad public policy."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #11 to House Bill 800. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk... Representative Doug Huff, one minute to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm voting green on this because this Amendment, if it serves no other purpose, it will show that this Bill that we are considering will ultimately prove to be a bad policy. I agree with Mr. Tate."
"Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 37 'ayes', 68 'nays', 3 answering 'present', and Amendment #11 fails. Lady from Cook, Representative Barbara Flynn Currie, for 90 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When Amendment #11 was called I was in the aisle trying to signal the Chair so i could be recorded as voting."
"You mean 10, 10." Currie: #10, sorry. Before... before you saw me, you had called the Roll. I know that we do not permit change of votes, but I would like the record to show that may intention was to be voted 'yes' on Amendment 10 to House Bill 800."
"Let the record show Representative Currie's intentions. Further Amendments?S"
"Floor Amendment #12, offered by Representative Tate, amends House Bill 800 as amended in Section 1 by deleting...'
"Gentleman from Macon, Representative Michael Tate, on Amendment #12."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can tell I'm on a roll now. Amendment #12 reduces the fine for the first violation from 250 to 50 dollars. It reduces the fine for a subsequent violation from 500 dollars to 250 dollars. This Bill... this Amendment is a very, very simple Amendment. All I'm asking right now, if we're going to implement public policy again and fine virtually every consumer in the State of Illinois 250 dollars for something that is going to take a little bit of time for Illinois citizens to get acquainted with this legislation, I'm asking that at least the... allow for a violation of a fine to reduce it to a little bit more reasonable fee, the 50 dollars, and a more reasonable fee on subsequent offenses to 250 dollars. Not a simple... very simple Amendment. It's not going to kill the Bill. All I'm asking is for this chamber, the new Members to give this some serious consideration, because your phones are... you're going to be the one that are 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 answering your phones when you implement this policy. And you're going to have to respond to your constituents. And when they pay those 500 dollars, they're going to be calling you."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #12 to House Bill 800. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, the Sponsor of the Bill, Representative Bill Laurino."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, the Amendment #12 basically takes some of the teeth out of the Bill that we're trying to impose. And I suggest that... the fine now is logical, it's easily payable if the Gentleman or Lady doesn't carry insurance. And, let me say this, that under this Amendment it would mean that a person could be convicted twice and still not spend the amount of money you would for his insurance premium. So, I certainly am not in favor of this Amendment and urge a 'no' vote on it."
"Representative Tate to close."
"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, the issue is very simple. We're implementing a policy right now that will fine Illinois citizens 250 dollars and then 500 dollars the second time. It's as simple as you. I ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #12 to House Bill 800. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 33 'ayes', 72 'nays', 2 answering 'present'. Amendment #12 fails. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #13, offered by Representative Tate, amends House Bill..."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative 92 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 Tate, on Floor Amendment 13."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #13 simply changes the effective date from July 1, 1986 to November 4, 1986. I think it's appropriate that the election day would be a very good day for all... to get all... all... all uninsured motorists off the street."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #13. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Why not make it Christmas Day? You know, this is really a ridiculous Amendment and understandably, Mr. Tate may not come back here on election day anyway. So, there's a possibility that he should... should've taken this Amendment out. I certainly ask for a 'no' vote on this Amendment. We've got enough to do on election day."
"Representative Tate to close."
"The issue is simple. I'd just move for a favorable Roll Call."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #13 to House Bill 800. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 23... 24 'ayes', 82 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. Amendment #13 fails. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #14, offered by Representative Tate."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Michael Tate, on Floor Amendment #14."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment 14 requires that the Secretary of State conducts random investigations. Under the current legislation, the Secretary is just authorized to conduct those 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 investigations. It also removes a provision prohibiting inspections on a highway for the purpose of verifying insurance coverage."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #14. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Mr. Speaker, number one, the... this Amendment asks for the Secretary of State to have a verification, which he's going to do. He's deleting the prohibition against road blocks once again, and that was added at the request of some of the minority Representatives here in the General Assembly. And so, I have no idea what Representative Tate is trying to do with this, nor I think does he. I honestly urge a 'no' vote on this Amendment."
"Representative Tate to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment just requires the Secretary to conduct some kind of investigation. If we're going to implement public policy, at least we can do is provide for some vehicle to find out whether we really do have uninsured motorists on the streets or not. So, all we're asking to do is make it explicit in the legislation that we do require, we do have random surveys. If this is such a good Bill, then we should at least find out whether there are uninsured motorists on the streets or not. Thank you."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #14 to House Bill 800. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 20 'ayes', 89 'nays'. And Amendment #14 fails. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #15, offered by Representative Tate, amends House..." 94 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
May 9, 1985 "The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, on Floor Amendment 15."
"... Amendment #15."
"Leave to withdraw Amendment #15. Leave, and Amendment #15 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #16, offered by Representative Tate."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, on Floor Amendment 16."
"Number 16... Amendment #16, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, very simple Amendment again. It reduces the fine for first violation from 250 dollars to 100 dollars. All I'm saying right now, Ladies and Gentlemen, it's your phone that's going to be ringing, it's your mail that you're going to have to answer, it's your 250 dollars out there. And I think if we're going to implement this policy, a 100 dollars is a more reasonable fine. And I'm sure all of you will end up agreeing, if the 250 dollars goes on."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment 16 to House Bill 800. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Once again, Mr. Speaker, I think that the fines imposed in the Bill itself are reasonable, and I see no reason to drop them down to 100 dollars. I feel that 250 is reasonable, and I urge the rejection of this next Amendment."
"Representative Tate to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I don't know what's so magic about 250 dollars and 500 dollars. I mean, what we're doing here is we're talking about a million people right now that are uninsured motorists supposedly in the State of Illinois. If you in 95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 fact... that would be like generating a million people times 250 dollars. Figure it out. I'm saying a 100 dollars is a little bit more reasonable figure. It's something that my colleague on the other side can figure out with his calculator, and I move for a favorable Roll Call."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #16. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 34 'ayes', 71 'nays', 2 answering 'present'. Amendment 16 fails. Are there further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #17, offered by Representative Tate."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, on Amendment 17."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #17 again is, I feel, since we have already denied the citizens of Illinois the opportunity for due process. Since we've already denied the citizens of Illinois an opportunity for a public hearing. All Amendment #17 does is that it provides that the if Secretary of State makes an error in suspending a license or a vehicle registration, if a citizen of Illinois has to go through the discomfort, the inconvenience of having their license yanked, at least we can do is provide some restituition. And this provides for a 100 dollar repayment program for the Secretary of State. Simple Amendment. A good Amendment. And I ask for all of your 'aye' votes."
"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #17. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino." 96 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Once again, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Tate sometimes gets confused on indicating whether there's due process or not. There were notices sent out. There were hearings for the Bill. So, in as light as, he's addressed that part of the subject matter, I can't imagine where he's coming with that. But to get back to this Amendment, would he like a personal check from Jim Edgar, or would it be okay from the Secretary of State's Office?"
"Representative Tate to close.
"Let me say this, Mr. Speaker, that..."
"Proceed. Proceed."
"I think if you had your license suspended in error, you have certain rights of recovery. And if you so desire, you can sue the Secretary of State, or something like that. You don't need to get 100 dollar fine. So, I honestly move for the rejection of this Amendment also."
"Representative Tate to close."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Amendment puts it into the statute. It's very explicit. It guarantees the citizens of this state a 100 dollars in restitution, and they deserve that. I am... what I'm saying here is if we're going to yank a license, if we're going to deny them due process, we're going to deny them hearings, we should at least give them the opportunity for a 100 dollars. If you're suggesting that a citizen has to to sue the state recover anything... It's a good Amendment. I ask for a favorable Roll Call. It just..."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #17 be adopted? Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 33 'ayes', 69 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. And the Amendment fails. Johnson, 'no'. Tim Johnson, 'no'. 97 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #18, offered by Representative B. Pedersen, amends House Bill 800 as amended."
"The Gentleman... Representative Pedersen, on Amendment #18."
"Everyone... Everyone agrees that Illinois drivers should carry insurance or at least be financially responsible. That's what all those surveys really tell us. The question is, can more governments solve the problem. This legislation is a major governmental initiative into the private sector. Assuming this body opts for governmental intrusion. We should make House Bill 800 a tough law. One that works. Much as DUI is being made work now. In fact, our present financial responsibility laws could be made to fulfill the goal of swift and certain action against the financially irresponsible. The parellel with DUI is quite appropriate. Amendment #18 helps do that for House Bill 800. In lieu of a fine, the convicted person's vehicle could be impounded for up to six months. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I urge an 'aye' vote on Amendment #18 to help make House Bill 800 really work."
"Representative Pedersen has moved for the adoption of Amendment #18. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, we're trying to create a law here not a Unitarian state. I mean, my God, let's go back to wearing swastikas. We're not trying to destroy people. All we're trying to do is mandate that they be responsible. So, I move for the rejection of this Amendment, also."
"Representative Pedersen to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All we're really talking about, our opponents all say that what we have doesn't work. There trying to tell us this will work. They can't 98 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 point that out in legislation from all those other states who have been trying all this long time to make theirs work. So, you know, if we're really serious about this, we should make sure the citizens of this state realize what a serious problem they're not being financially responsible poses to the really responsible people of this state. Therefore, we should make sure that we get their attention. There's nothing Draconian about this. It's a privilege, as people tell us, to drive an automobile. And so we should really do our best to make this Bill work. So, I urge an 'aye' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #18 be adopted? Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 10 'ayes', 86 'nays', and Amendment #18 fails. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #19, offered by Representative Shaw, amends House Bill 300 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw, on Amendment #19."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #19 is a good Amendment, and I know the Gentleman from Cook will be glad to join with me in sponsoring this Amendment. This Amendment does not cost the State of Illinois one penny. And this Amendment is... this Amendment is designed to help the senior citizens of this state. It requires that the insurance companies of this state, that are doing business in this state, that they would be giving our senior citizens who are... who qualify for the circuit breaker, requires the insurance companies to provide those senior citizens with insurance coverage at half price. Now, I know that this is a good 99 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendment, and I know that Secretary Edgar would, if he's interested in the people of this state, he will come over here and support this Amendment. When he can't talk about it cost the people of this state any money, because it doesn't. It costs the insurance companies. It might cost the insurance companies a little bit of money, but they're the ones that's making the money. I don't know how any Member of this House can sit up and vote against Amendment 19, because it affects every senior citizen of this State that qualifies for the circuit breaker. And you might, Mr.... Representative Laurino, go over and get the Governor, I understand that he supports mandatory insurance. Let's put this Amendment on there for the senior citizens of this state, because they're the ones that's going to be penalized as a results of mandatory insurance. Let's see what the Secretary of State talks about in terms of why he don't want this Amendment on this Bill. This is a good Amendment. We talk about helping senior citizens and programs for senior citizens of this country, of this state. Now, let's talk about this Amendment. Now, many senior citizens... many senior citizens that own their own car would be glad to get the few pennies that this Amendment provides and the state does not have to pay for it. So, I would urge... I would urge every Member... every Member, along with Secretary Edgar and the Governor of this state to support this Amendment. If not go out there... If not, when they go back... go across this state, explain to the people of Illinois why they didn't support this Amendment."
"Representative Shaw has moved for the adoption of Amendment #19. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Mr. Speaker, I guarantee the Secretary of State doesn't 100 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 support this Amendment. I don't know where Shaw gets his information, that's number one. Number two, why don't we expand it if you want to get to be benevolent in your attitude and include guys with blue eyes or people that wear topees or some other group of people that are special interest to your satisfaction. I suggest that we defeat this Amendment."
"Representative Shaw to close."
"Yes, this is... this is not a special interest group. We have hundreds and thousands of senior citizens across this state. And what you are telling the people of this General Assembly is they beat the senior citizens of this state. Well, Representative Laurino, I tell you this, Mr. Dotson is not the one who need the Pardon Board and the Governor to issue a pardon. The Governor need to come here to this General Assembly and if you don't put this Amendment on, then pardon the Members of this General Assembly because they are the ones that's raping the old people of this state if they don't put this Amendment on. And I want to see the votes up on that board for the senior citizens of this state." see... I want to
"Representative Shaw has moved for the adoption of Amendment #19. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 34 'ayes', 64 'nays', 5 answering 'present'. Amendment 19 fails. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #20, offered by Representative Shaw."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw, on Amendment 20."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #20 is a good 101 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendment. It's a very simple Amendment, and all that it called for is for every citizen of Illinois is to pay the premium one time a year. And I think everyone can understand an Amendment like that. I think it's a good Amendment. And I think the Amendment should be passed."
"Representative Shaw moves the adoption of Amendment #20. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."
"Why don't we just have Shaw prepay his insurance premium for a twelve month period. I think that would certainly be putting a hamstring on people, and it's not necessary. And then according to his Amendment he also after he gives you a requirement for a prepayment of twelve months, he wants a prorated refund from the cancelled policies. You know, it's going from one extreme to the other. So, I suggest we defeat this Amendment, also."
"Representative Shaw to close."
"I don't think that's an extreme. I think that... I think that this is what the people of this state want, and I think... really this is what Representative Laurino wants. And I ask an 'aye' vote on this Amendment."
"Representative Shaw moves for the adoption of Amendment #20. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk take the record. On this question, 22 'ayes', 80 'nays', J answering 'present'. Amendment 20 fails. Further Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #21, offered by Representative Parke, amends House Bill 800 on page ten."
"Terry Parke on Amendment #21."
"I do not wish to prolong this any longer. I ask for a tabling."
"The Gentleman asks leave to withdraw 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendment #21. Leave. And Amendment #21 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #22, offered by Representative Tate, amends House Bill 800 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Oh, I thought your light was on. I'm sorry. Representative Tate on Amendment #22."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #22 is probably without question the... one of the most..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Amendment is out of order. Ask the Parliamentarian to look at it."
"He'll look at it. Meanwhile, Representative Tate, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Lights off. Okay. Amendment is out of order since it seeks to repeal a Section of the statute that doesn't exist. Representative Tate, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #22 is probably one of the most significant pieces..."
"Mr. Tate. Mr. Tate. Well, let's let the Chair first respond. The Chair has ruled the Amendment out of order. Any further response would be out of order. With... Go ahead. Proceed."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Then if the ruling of the Chair is to rule this Amendment out of order, I would appeal the ruling of the Chair and move to overrule the Chair."
"The Gentleman moves that... that the... The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, maybe this might help Representative Tate. The Amendment #22 amends a Section and the Section is 103 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 misnumbered, Representative Tate. You seek to repeal a Section by using the wrong number. That's why it's out of order. There's nothing to... to fight about."
"Representative Tate, do you persist on your appeal? That's the only question I have to ask."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #22 is probably one of the most significant issues..."
"Well... No. NO. Representative Tate, would you respond to the Chair? Do you persist... Alright."
"Okay. Then I would ask..."
"Representative Tate, the Chair has ruled Amendment #22 out of order and given the reason for its ruling. Representative Tate now has moved to overrule the ruling of the Chair. The question is, 'Shall the Chair be overruled?' Those in favor of the Chair being overruled... I'm sorry. Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"
"On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Gentleman does have the right when he places the Motion before the Body to explain the reasons for him... for doing that and why the Body should vote in the way in which he wants to."
"You're correct if he... if he speaks to the issue of why they should vote to overrule. Proceed, Representative Tate."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I certainly don't feel... I don't feel good about the Motion to overrule the Chair. However, Amendment #22 repeals the mandatory seatbelt law of this state. It's a very significant..."
"Representative Tate. Tate, the Chair wants to be fair with you, and you have a right to overrule the... move to overrule the Chair. You have a right to give your reasons, but you cannot go into the substance of the Amendment. Now if you... if you just would confine 104 STATE OP ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 your remarks onto why the Body should vote to overrule the chair, you can proceed. Otherwise, we're going to go to a vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I appreciate the courtesy you've given me on this. Again, just Amendment #22 is a very significant piece of legislation. A piece of legislation, I think, that the entire Assembly should have the opportunity to hear."
"Representative Tate, the Chair has got to interrupt you again, and you can't have the opportunity... I gave you two opportunities. The question is, 'Shall the Chair be overruled?' Those in favor of overruling the Chair will vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. On Representative Tate's Motion to overrule the Chair, take the record. On the Motion to overrule the Chair, there are 20 voting 'aye', 79 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present'. And the Motion fails. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Peg Breslin in the Chair."
"House Bill 805, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 805, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to authorize the withholding of state income tax..."
"Out of the record. House Bill 807, Representative Levin. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 807, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Intergovernmental Missing Child Recovery Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Representative Cullerton, for what reason do 105 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day you rise?"
"I would move to suspend Rule 65 (b)." May 9, 1985
"The Gentleman has ruled to suspend Rule 65(b), is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the Gentleman has leave and Rule 65 (b) is suspended. any further Amendments on House Bill 807?"
"No Floor Amendments."
Are there Speaker Breslin: "Third Reading. House Bill 810. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 810, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Sheriff's Merits System Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Out of the record. House Bill 811, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse... Excuse me, Representative Homer, let's go back to House Bill 810 if Representative Matijevich is ready. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 810, a Bill for an Act to amend the Sheriff's Merits System Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Matijevich, amends House Bill 810 on page one by deleting all of line one and two and so forth."
"Representative Matijevich."
"This is... Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I've spoken to the Sponsor about this Amendment, and this is a clarifying Amendment which places Chapters 48, 53 and 123 in conformance. And I would move the adoption of Amendment #1." 106 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 810. And on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 810 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 811, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 811, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Homer, amends House Bill 811."
"Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Madam... Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Amendment #2 was referred to me by staff. It's simply a technical Amendment. Amendment #1 inadvertently removed the word 'Act' from the term 'Revenue Tax Act'. This Amendment would put that word back in. I would move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 811, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 811 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 107 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Third Reading. House Bill 815, Representative Levin, Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 815, a Bill for an Act το prohibit public school districts and public institutions of higher education from discriminating against students. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Levin, amends House Bill 815 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Levin."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 addresses a question that was raised in Committee, and which I agreed to clarify on the floor. It adds a definition of religion to the Bill. This is a Bill that provides that students in the public schools run into a conflict in terms of testing because of their religious observances can make it up. There was a question raised as far as what religion is. And this Bill adds the definition of religion that is in the State Human Rights Act. And that definition tracks with Title VII of the U.S. Civil Rights Act. And I think this resolves a concern expressed by some of the Members of the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee in terms of this question."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 815, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, *Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 815 be adopted?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 819. record. House Bill 831, Representative May 9, 1985 Out of the Leverenz. Representative Leverenz. Out of the record. House Bill 833, Representative Hastert. Out of the record. House Bill 834, Representative Brookins, Representative Brookins. Out of the record. House Bill 838, Representative Phelps. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill Consumer Fraud and a 838, Bill for an Act to amend the Deceptive Business Practices Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton Act. Phelps, amends House... House Bill 838 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, this was a recommendation that was made in the Committee changing the penalties to a Class A and a Class 4 Felony, respectively. I move for the adoption of the Amendment." there any to
House Speaker Breslin: "The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 Bill 338, and on that question is discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 838 be All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it there an any further adopted?' say 'nay'. and the Amendment is adopted. Are Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Huff, amends House Bill 833 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Huff,"
"Yes, Madam Chairman, I move to table Amendment #2 to House Bill 839," 109 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"The Gentleman May 9, 1985 withdraws Amendment #2. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Phelps, amends House Bill 838 as follows."
"Representative Phelps."
"Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would respectfully like to withdraw Amendment #3."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Are there any further Amendments?"
".. but I would like to... Go ahead."
"Floor Amendment #4, Phelps, amends House Bill 838 as follows."
"Representative Phelps."
"Yes, on Amendment 3 there was merely a drafting error and this will correct, page one to say page two. So, that's all there is to it. Thank you very much."
"Representative... The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 838, and on that question, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Has the Amendment been produced and distributed?"
"The Amendment has not been printed and distributed, Representative Phelps. We'll have to hold this Bill on the Order of Second Reading until the Amendment is printed and distributed. Out of the record. House Bill 839, Representative Panayotovich. Out of the record. House Bill 841. Out of the record. House Bill 849, Representative Kulas. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 849, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 110 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments." May 9, 1985
"Third Reading. Appearing on page sixteen of your Calendars, House Bills Second Reading, appears House Bill 851, Representative Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 851, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the verification of statements, documents and data and the authentication of signatures. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 852, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 852, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the adoption of persons. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 855, Representative Krska. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 855, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 857, Representative O'Connell. Churchill. Representative O'Connell. Clerk, read the Bill." 111 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"House Bill 857, a Bill for an Act Probate Act. to May 9, 1985 amend the Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 861, Representative Shaw Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 861, a Bill for an Act to provide for tuition waivers for children of tenure teachers at state supported colleges and universities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Shaw Keane, amends House Bill 861 as amended."
"Representative Keane on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Chair... Madam Chairman. Amendment #2 to House Bill 861 was a... an Amendment we discussed in Committee. And it clarifies the granting of those scholarships to the Board of Regents and to the Board of Governors."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 861. And on that question, the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn. Your light is flashing. On that question, there appears there is no discussion. Therefore, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 861 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 867, Representative 112 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 McPike. Representative Ronan. Representative McPike or Ronan. Out of the record. House Bill 869, Representative Bullock. Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 869, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to video lottery games. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 874, Representative Levin. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 874, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Trust and Payable on Death Account... Accounts Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 879, Representative McGann - Panayotovich. Representative McGann Panayotovich - Capparelli - McAuliffe. Out of the record. House Bill 885, Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. House Bill 889, Representative Madigan - Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 889, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed. Respect to Amendment #1."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Bowman, amends House Bill 889 as amended."
"Representative Bowman."
"Thank you. Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #2 is very similar 113 TATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERA RAL ASSEMBLY HO OUSE OF REPR RESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 to... to the Amendment which was adopted in Committee. The main thing that it does is to eliminate some unduly restrictive specificity on the nature of the pilot program. So, we believe that this would provide the state board with enough flexibility to design the pilots, and 1 now move adoption of Amendment #2."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 889. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Will the Gentleman... Will the Gentleman..."
"He will yield to a question." McCracken; "Representative Bowman, I must be looking at the wrong Amendment. Doesn't Amendment 2 change the title of the Act or..."
"The Amendment that I have, which I believe is a duplicate of the..."
"Alright. Well, let's..."
"It does not change the title of the Act, no."
"Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Yes. Oh, I beg your pardon. I beg your pardon. Representative McCracken, I stand corrected. I didn't have my... my copies numbered correctly. Yes, it changes the title to indicate they were adding a new Section to the School Code."
"No. No, I was just wondering why the title was being changed."
"Yes, I'm sorry."
"Alright."
"That's all the Amendment #2 does. I beg your pardon."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 889 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 890, Representative Madigan Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 890, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the prevention of developmental disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Bowman, amends House Bill 890 on page two and so forth."
"Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill... Excuse me. Amendment that we're considering, Amendment #1, deletes reference to the purpose of the hospital perinatal center notification because there was some concern in the... expressed in the Education Committee that we're imposing a new mandate on the schools. That it was not our purpose. Our purpose was really to impose a requirement on the hospitals to report which is really an extention of a requirement that's already in the Act... the statutes. So, we wanted to clarify that we're not imposing any new mandate on the schools. So, that is the purpose of this Amendment."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 890, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 890 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 891, Representative 115 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Madigan - Levin. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 891, a Bill for an Act May 9, 1985 to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 892, Representative Madigan - Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 892, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Bowman, amends House Bill 892 as amended."
"Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House... Amendment #2 changes the date for the completion of the Aging Out Plan from January to July and expands its scope to include handicapped children who complete a secondary school program in addition to those who will leave the school system at age twenty-two. So, it is really a modest change, I believe, and provides the council with an adequate amount of time to study the problem. I move adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 892, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 892 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further 116 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. With leave of the Body, we will go back now to House Bill 867 that was just passed over. Representative McPike. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 867, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Back on the regular order of call is House Bill 893, Representative Madigan. Representative Madigan. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 893, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 903, Representative Bullock. House Bill 903, Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 903, a Bill for an Act concerning state advertising. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 907, Representative Wait. Representative Wait. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 907, a Bill for an Act to amend the 117 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 908, Representative Van Duyne. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 908, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to fire protection districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 909, Representative Terzich. Representative Terzich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 909, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 910, Representative Terzich. Representative Terzich on 910. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 910, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 914, Representative McCracken. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 914, a Bill for an Act to amend the 118 37th Legislative Day Criminal Code. Amendments." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Second Reading of the Bill. May 9, 1985
No Committee Speaker Breslin: "Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 918, Representative McCracken. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 918, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 925, Representative Huff. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 925, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 930, Representative Klemm. Representative Klemm, for what reason do you rise?"
"Madam Speaker, I'd like to ask leave of the House that House Bill 930 could be placed on the Interim Study Calendar of the House Revenue Committee. I checked with the Committee Chairman and the Minority Spokesman and they agree."
"The Gentleman has leave... has asked leave to place House Bill 930 on the Order of Interim Study. That is your right under the Rules, Sir, whether you check with anybody else or not. So, this Bill shall be returned to the Order of Interim Study. House Bill 932. Out of the record. House Bill 934, Representative Giorgi. Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 934, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 relating to the practice of social work. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 935, Representative Hoffman Steczo. Hoffman Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 940, Representative Ropp Tuerk. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 940, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Floor... Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 950, Representative Ropp. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 950, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to milk promotion programs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, is offered by Representative Ropp, amends House Bill 950."
"Representative Ropp."
"Thank you Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 is actually the Bill, but it changes 'not one inch' the intent of the original Bill. It more clearly identifies the procedures that conform with the current statute that we have dealing with the corn check off, soybean check off, beef check off and will check off, and I welcome your support."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of 120 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendment #1 to House Bill 950, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 950 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 952, Representative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 952, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 953, Representative Deuchler. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 953, a Bill for an Act to amend the Township Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 961, Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 961, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 362, Representative Stern. Clerk, read the Bill." 121 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"House Bill 962, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Stern, amends House Bill 962 and so forth,"
"Representative Stern on Amendment #1. You have Stern: to tell us what Amendment #1 does, Representative Stern." "Alright. This particular Bill deals with the distribution of political materials in a shopping center. Amendment #1 was requested by those at the Committee Hearing that it be made very specific that the distribution be made by hand from the candidate or his/her workers to the individual rather than under windshield wipers and doorhandles."
"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 962, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 962 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 968, Representative Nash. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 968, a Bill for an Act to amend the Pharmacy Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments." 122 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
Brunsvold. May 9, 1985 "Third Reading. House Bill 371, Representative Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 971, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 982, Representative Mulcahey. Representative Mulcahey. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 932, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Notions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 997, Representative Ryder. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 997, a Bill for an Act to amend the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 993, Representative Ryder. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 998, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Ryder et al, amends House Bill 998 on page three and so forth."
"Representative Ryder on Amendment #1." 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"This Amendment was suggested during Committee, and I'm joined on it by Representatives Hannig, Rea and Hicks. It adds soybeans, corn, milo and other grains to the definition given."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 998, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 998 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1000, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1000, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Representative Matijevich. Excuse me, are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Matijevich, amends House Bill 1000 as amended."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 was the Amendment... Committee Amendment #1 was inadvertently drafted without leaving the words 'knowing... knowing repeated violations' in two particular Sections of that Amendment. And I promised the Committee that on the floor, I would put the word 'knowing' in those two places. That's what this Amendment does, and I move for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1000." 124 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1000. And on that question, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative Matijevich, our analysis indicates that this would limit permit denials. In other words, it would be less... or more restrictive... or less restrictive than it would've been before. Is it your intent to make it less or more restrictive?"
"Representative Churchill, my intent is that the... I think you know that the instant... the incident we had in my home town, the City of North Chicago, where a chemical company had knowingly operated for eleven years without a... an EPA either federal or state permit. And this, as I understand it, would allow the EPA to deny a permit based on those knowing repeated violations. And... And it, as far as I'm concerned, hits right to the issue that I had in my... even though it is after the fact, I wouldn't want some other community to live with what I've lived with in my community. So, I think it really hits to my particular problem, Bob."
"Representative Matijevich, I'm not seeking το harm your Amendment, but I think there may be a technical problem with it. Could you take this out of the record for one minute and let me just come over and talk to you?"
"Sure."
"Out of the record. House Bill 1006, Representative Mulcahey. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1006, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 125 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"None."
May 9, 1985 "Third Reading. House Bill 1010, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1010, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Department of Law Enforcement. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1014, Representative
Giglio. Clerk, read the Bill." "House Bill 1014, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to compensation sheriffs, coroners, county treasurers, county clerks, recorders and auditors. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Giglio, amends House Bill 1014 on page 4..."
"Madam "Representative Giglio." Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 is the Amendment we worked out in Committee, and I promised that I would talk to both sides and come up with an agreeable solution. And what we did, we amended it to include the county treasurers, county clerks, recorder and auditor and establish the new minimum salaries for those officers."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1014. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield, please?" 126 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"He will yield for a question."
"The fiscal note we had, Frank, was on the Bill previous to this Amendment, what change... or what is the fiscal impact now if this Amendment is adopted? I don't need it exactly to the penny, but just an approximate figure."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Representative Piel, this is been exempt from the State Mandate Act. It's now... It doesn't pertain to the state, it goes back to the counties."
"I'm sorry. I caught the first part, you said it was exempt and you started to explain..."
"It's been exempt from the State Mandate Act. It doesn't fall. The state has nothing to do with the payment. The counties have to pay for these."
"What... I know there's an additional 3,500 dollar a year award made to certain people on this... on the Amendment. What classification, if additional duties, what additional duties, what classifications would fall into that category?"
"There's no additional duties, Representative. What this is, we're just trying to bring the increases in line with some of the increases like the Legislature got."
"No, basically... maybe... let me just basically read what I'm talking about here. It said the election commission shall receive an award of 3,500 dollars a year for additional duties required for such officers by the Consolidation Election Laws. Now, this is above and beyond, correct? And... And how many does this affect statewide?"
"No... No, Representative... Representative, I think you're getting the Amendments mixed up. It's not over and beyond. We're just trying to file or follow some precent. The sheriffs got it last year. The other county officers 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day did not, and what we're trying to do May 9, 1985 truthfully is bring these other elected officials somewhat in line with modern times."
"Just as a ballpark figure, what would the average increase be per county? I mean, I realize that you got some that are huge counties, some that are smaller counties, but with this Amendment what would the average increase be per county?"
"There... There bro broken down according to county population. You're talking counties less than 14,000 which most of them paid a minimum. It increases at 7,000 dollars. You're talking a county with 300,000 to a million, an increase of 14,000 dollars. I don't think that's exaggerant."
"Thank you very much."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 114 (sic House Bill 1014). And on that question, all those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1018, Representative Young. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1018, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code and amend an Act to create the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"The Gentleman... Representative... Are there any Amendments from the floor?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Young, amends House Bill 1018."
"Representative Young."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 128 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 House. What Amendment #1 to House Bill 1018 does is simply make the Bill consistent throughout. This Amendment was suggested by the staff when it was pointed out that in some Sections of the Bill the penalty for violation of the substance of the Bill was a Class 2 Felony, in other Sections it was a Class 3. This Amendment makes it a Class 2 Felony throughout. This Amendment also prevents the duplication of penalties that set... The original Bill duplicated penalties and the Amendment will..."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1018. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."
"Question of the Chair. I don't have this Amendment. Has this Amendment been printed and distributed?"
"Nr. Clerk, has this Amendment been printed and distributed? Number one has been printed and distributed, Representative Piel,"
"Because we don't have it over here."
"Are there any further questions? There being no further questions, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1018 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1020, Representative Sutker. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1020, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for funding of Election Campaigns. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed." 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. With leave of the House, we will go back to House Bill 1000 that was taken out of the record a moment ago. Representative Matijevich, please proceed."
"Amendment #4, Matijevich."
"Is that 4 or 3? Is that 4?"
"Amendment #3, Matijevich."
"Alright. Amendment #3, Representative Churchill and I have resolved our issue, and I now move the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1000."
"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1000. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to House Bill 1000 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill, on the regular Order of Call, we return to House Bill 1025, Representative Ropp. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1025, a Bill for an Act to amend the Grade A Pasteurized Milk and Milk Products Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Excuse me, I skipped over a Bill when we came back to the regular Order of Call. House 130 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Bill 1023, Representative Nash. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1023, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Nash, amends House Bill 1023 on page three and so forth."
"Representative Nash."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to table Amendment #2."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Nash, amends House Bill 1023 on page three and so forth."
"Representative Nash."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 takes out from this Bill the permission of selling alcoholic beverage to the Chicago Civic Center. I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1023. And on that question, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."
"Madam Speaker, has this been printed and distributed?"
"Mr. Clerk, has this Amendment been printed and distributed? No, it has not. We'll have to take the Bill out of the record, Representative Nash. House Bill 1026, Representative Ropp. Out of the record. Yes. House Bill 1026, do you wish to proceed? No. Out of the record for House Bill 1026. House Bill 1027, Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1026... 1027... House Bill 1027, a Bill 131 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day for an Act to amend the School Code. May 9, 1985 Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1031, Representative DeJaegher. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1031, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1033, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1033, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1034, Representative Satterthwaite. Out of the record. House Bill 1037, Representative Mulcahey. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill..."
"Oh, excuse me. Out of the record. House Bill 1038, Representative Mulcahey. Out of the record. House Bill 1039, Mulcahey. Out of the record. House Bill 1043, Representative Levin. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1043, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed." 132 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments." May 9, 1985
"Third Reading for House Bill 1043. House Bill 1045, Representative Flinn. Vinson. Representative Flinn or Representative Vinson. Out of the record. House Bill 1047, Representative Flinn - McPike. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1047, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1050, Representative Brunsvold. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1050, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act for the regulation of pawnbrokers. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1... No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Brunsvold, amends House Bill 1050."
"Representative Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #1 addresses a problem that the Committee had with identification. The Bill requires two forms of identification for pawning items. The Committee requested that the identification be in the words of the Election Code, and this Amendment does that. And I would ask for the adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1050, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1050 be 133 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day adopted? May 3, 1985 All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1051, Representative Brunsvold. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1051, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act for the regulation of pawnbrokers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1059, Representative Olson. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1059, a Bill for an Act in regulation of the authority of various state agencies... relation to the authority of various state agencies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1062, Representative Ropp. Out of the record. House Bill 1064, Representative Woodyard. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1064, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Woodyard, amends House Bill 1064..."
"Representative Woodyard."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 1064 is another of the package of... submitted by the Professional Towing Association. This is a technical Amendment. It changes 134 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 one word in the Bill from 'will' to 'must' on the notification the Secretary of State by an insuring firm. And I would ask for its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1064, and on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1060 (sic House Bill 1064) be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1071, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1071, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1072, Representative Oblinger. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1072, a Bill for an Act to provide for the establishment of the Illinois Language and International Studies Academy. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1075, Representative Oblinger. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1075, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the license and regulation of business of transient merchants. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 135 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
May 9, 1985 "Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1081. Out of the record. House Bill 1082, Representative Friedrich. Representative Friedrich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1082, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Friedrich, amends House Bill 1082 on page two and so forth."
"Representative Friedrich."
"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, this Amendment merely provides that the Secretary of State provide the Department of Transportation with a copy within fifteen days of the accident reports."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1082, and on that question is there any discussion? Yes, Representative Cullerton."
"How does this Amendment affect the position of the Secretary of State's Office with regard to the Bill?"
"It doesn't affect it at all. The report... The original reports will go to him, and then he has to furnish the others to the Department of Transportation. The Department of Transportation uses these reports to determine where the accidents are, the nature of it, what caused them and so on. He will still be furnished with that information. They now go to Transportation and get back to the Secretary of State. But this merely... This Amendment, if you confine yourself to the Amendment, this Amendment merely provides that the Secretary of State will provide the Department of Transportation with a copy of the accident report with in fifteen days." 136 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Well, I... My question was what... how does this affect their position on the Bill?"
"The only expression I've ever had from the Secretary of State was he was neutral on it, and the Department of Transportation is also neutral on it. They... because the turn-around time the other way is... the minimum is a 100 days and they say this does not create any problems for them. And the Secretary of State as indicated in the beginning he was neutral and I haven't had any indication he said any different."
"Okay. Now what does it do with regard to the... the current law I believe says that the Secretary of State can suspend for within 60 days, and the original Bill said that he could revoke within 30 days, and now this Amendment changes that."
"This Bill... The Amendment puts it back to the suspension."
"But it still keeps it at 30 days, right?"
"Yes."
"I see. So, that... So, that the Department of Transportation is the one that's opposed to the Bill."
"No."
"Secretary of State's Office is opposed to it?"
"No, I proposed the Bill."
"No. No. Opposed. The Department of Transportation is opposed?"
"No. A few days ago the Department of Transportation indicated they were opposed to it, because it thought it took some responsibility away from them. They have removed their objection because they say if it takes a 100 days then... then they will not oppose this Amendment. Greg Baze himself told me that."
"Okay. Thank you." 137 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
May 9, 1985 "There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1082 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1086, Representative Mulcahey. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1086, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1090. Out of the record. House Bill 1112. Out of the record. House Bill 1115, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1115, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to state colleges and university systems. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Countryman, amends House Bill 1115 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Countryman on Amendment #2 to House Bill 1115. Representative Mulcahey's Bill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 to House Bill 1115 amends an Act with regard to the management, control and maintenance of regency university systems, adding authority to the Board of Regents in essence to come into compliance in the same way that the Act allows the University of Illinois and 138 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 for further Amendment to take care of that."
"Representative Cullerton, are you finished? Very good. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 1115 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1117, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1117, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code."
"Representative Keane, we'd like to pass over this Bill just for the moment because we have a technical problem in finding it in the Clerk's Office. So, with leave of the Body, we'll go to 1118, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1118, a Bill for an Act to amend the General Obligation Bond Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. With leave of the Body, I would like to go back to House Bill 838, a Bill that we took out of the record because we were waiting for an Amendment to be printed and distributed. That's House Bill 3... rather a House Bill 838 on page 15 on the Calendar."
"House Bill 838, has been read a second time previously. Next Amendment is Amendment #4, Phelps, amends House Bill 838 as follows,"
"Representative Phelps."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment 4 merely corrects a drafting error, made 140 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 other boards, SIU Board, to operate under the similar portions in the statute. And I move its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1115. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative, this deals... this Bill deals with indemnification, is that correct?"
"You're right. I got it confused with another Bill. It deals with indemnification of state universities. In a similar way that the University of Illinois has a Indemnification Bill. And it was originally presented for the Board of Regents. And my Amendment would add the Board of... excuse me, was originally for the Board of Governors and my Amendment would add the Board of Regents."
"In most of the indemnification statutes, there is a Section that says that the Attorney General has the right to refuse to represent an employee if the acts were intentional, willful or wanton misconduct. And I don't believe that this Bill... I know it's not your Bill. I don't think it's your Bill, is it?"
"No, it's Representative Keane's Bill, I think."
"Right. I don't think that this Bill has that language in it, and I wondered if your Amendment added that."
"No, it does not. It's certainly something I would consider though."
"Okay. I think that that is something which we perhaps can add on with a further Amendment. I just wanted to know if your Amendment did it or not."
"My Amendment doesn't do it, but if the Sponsor would agree with you, we could put my Amendment on and hold it 139 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 page one become page two. And just merely to correct a drafting error with leave of the Body, please."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 838, and on that question is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Representative Phelps, this language is not dissimilar to what's in current law, limiting the use of assumed names in various different types of business entities?"
"No, Representative, to my knowledge this was just offered in discussion in the Committee which I believe you're a Member of. That corrected to allow Sears and people like that to subcontract and not be held accountable under the alias name that I was really trying to clarify."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Thank you."
"Representative McCracken, have you completed? Very good. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 838 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Are there any further Motions?"
"A Motion to table. A Motion to table Amendment #2 to House Bill 838 signed by Representative McCracken."
"Representative McCracken."
"I believe Representative Huff already tabled this Amendment."
"He withdrew the Amendment before it was presented."
"Alright. Thank you." 141 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
May 9, 1985 "Are there any further Amendments or Motions?"
"No further Amendments or Motions."
"Third Reading."
"Thank you, Madam."
"Mr. Clerk, were we able to find House Bill 1117 for Representative Keane? No, we have not. Okay. We'll come back to that then, with leave of the Body, later on. House Bill 1122. Out of the record. House Bill 1127, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1127, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Excuse me. We have something called 1127 tabling Motion on 1127. Thank you. Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1130, Representative Keane, Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1130, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On page 20 on your Calendar, Ladies and Gentlemen, appears House Bill 1131, Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1131, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to eliminate Vehicle Recycling Fund. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Bowman, amends House Bill 1131 142 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day on page one and so forth."
"Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 deposits the money that would normally have been paid into the Vehicle Recycling Fund into the Common School Fund instead of the General Revenue Fund, as the Bill initially specified. I believe the Common School Fund is more appropriate, and besides that's why I said it was going to be in the Committee. And so, I'm offering this Amendment. I move its adoption."
"Representative Bowman has asked for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1131. And on that question, the Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."
"Representative Bowman, what's the point in transferring it to the Common School Fund?"
"Well, if we eliminate the Vehicle Recycling Fund, we have to put the money someplace. And..."
"Well, why ποτ leave it in the GRF? What's the real point of that? Is there any point at all?"
"Yes, it's to protect my honor, Representative Mc Pike. In Committee, I said it was going to be the Common School Fund."
"Okay."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1131 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ladies and Gentlemen at this time, with leave of the Assembly, we would like to go back and pick up Bills that were passed over either waiting for 143 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Amendments or to have problems worked out on individual Bills. Mr. Clerk, the first Bill will... to be called will be House Bill 410 on page 3 on the Calendar. Representative Johnson. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 410, a Bill for an Act relating to firearms and firearm ammunition. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Currie - Bowman, amends House Bill 410."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment 1 to House Bill 410 is a simple and straight-forward position. As the underlying proposition is... as the underlying Bill, it deals with the issue of guns, specifically handguns. The proposal in Amendment 1 to House Bill 410 is to band the sale and manufacture of handguns in the State of Illinois. We have been treated over the last many years to instances of violence, of violent death, of attacks upon presidents and popes..."
"Excuse me, Representative Currie. Representative Vinson for what reason do you rise?"
"Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly, I rise on a point of order."
"State your point."
"I believe that Amendment #1 to House Bill 410 is not germane to the Bill. The Bill itself is entitled, an Act to prohibit municipalities and counties from regulating or taxing firearms. It is a Bill which deals with the Municipal Code of the State of Illinois. Amendment #1 is a Bill that creates a whole new Act and does nothing with the Municipal Code. It deals with a totally different area, and as a result, by any traditional ruling in this House is 144 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 nongermane to this Bill."
"Representative Greiman for what... Excuse me, Representative Currie for what reason do you rise?"
"Just to point out to the Chair and to the Parliamentarian that the... the Bill deals with the regulation of firearms. Firearms are, of course, the subject of Amendment 1, and I would think on that grounds that might well make this Amendment germane."
"I'm sorry, Representative Currie, but the Amendment is not germane. The Gentleman's point is well-taken, and Amendment #1 is ruled out of order. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Currie - Bowman, amends House Bill 410."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment 2 merely provides that if a local community, a home rule municipality, or county in the State of Illinois has standards with respect to firearms that are more constraining than those that might be available in State law, the state enforcement shall appreciate and shall take notice of those more restrictive constraints."
"Representative Vinson for what reason do you rise?"
"Same objection, Madam Speaker. The Bill deals with the Municipal Code. The Amendment would create a whole new Act. It is not a Municipal Code Amendment, and for the same reasons and by all traditional standards of germanes in this Assembly. The Amendment is nongermane to the Bill."
"Representative Currie on the point of order raised."
"Well, in addition to the argument I made with respect to 145 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 Amendment 1, that we are dealing here with firearms as we were with the underlying Bill. I would point out that specifically the issue in Amendment 2 has to do with municipalities, and if municipalities are the point of the underlying Bill, it's hard for me to understand that this Amendment could be anything but germane. Both with respect to the subject of firearm and with respect to the subject of municipal ordinances and regulations."
"I'm sorry, Representative Currie, your point is not well-taken. Representative Vinson is correct. The Amendment is not germane, and the Amendment is ruled out of order. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Greiman, amends House Bill 410 on page 1 and so forth."
"Representative Greiman."
"Thank you, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an Amendment that you should purge your mind, your prior prejudices, whether you are Representative Johnson, against handgun control, or Representative Currie, for handgun control, you should begin aner το look at Amendment #3. Amendment #3 says that if you have a handgun, and you can have one, that you should provide insurance for that handgun. It sets up a process in our statutes to require that a handgun owner have a policy of insurance, much like we do with other hazards. We debated mandatory insurance. While we don't have mandatory insurance in this state, we do have some provisions that make it unfortunate if you don't have insurance. For example, you lose your... you lose your license το drive if you don't have financial responsibility after an accident. So this provides a method of insuring that you have at least $100,000 handgun liability. The intent is that it shall apply for... apply to willful and negligent acts 146 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 both. That is the intent, that we believe that Section G on page 29 of the Amendment will precisely allow that, and you know, it's a new concept. I must tell you with some pride that it is my little baby, that I have never seen the notion of handgun insurance requirement anyplace else, and it is something that I think will... is the kind of thing that everyone should be for. After all, if there is an injury from a handgun, who is going to pay it? Forget whether it's proper to have a handgun or not. When the trigger gets pulled and it goes into the spine of the kid next door, we the taxpayers are going to pay for the rest of that youngster's life, and their ought to be a policy of liability insurance, a policy that will take care of injuries caused by a weapon. I think people who are for handgun control can be for this. I think people who are against handgun control can be for this. It is a simple, forthright piece of legislation... Yes now, quite clearly, Representative Currie's Amendment, had it been adopted, would have killed the Bill. This will not kill the Bill. This will make this Bill the kind of Bill that will be intriguing for people who are in favor of gun control to possibly vote for it. So my recommendation is that this House send this Bill out 100... this Amendment out 118 to 0, and I would ask for a record vote."
"The Gentleman has asked for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 410. And on that question, the Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."
"Two questions of the Sponsor of this novel Amendment. First, do you think the insurance industry, internationally, is prepared to insure against the sort of risks that you've posed in this Amendment?"
"Timmy, from my examination of the insurance... observation of the insurance industry is that they're 147 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 prepared to do any kind of selling. They'll make you a policy for anything they want that you need. And I think this is the kind of thing, by the way, that statistically, they could predict. I know of very few injuries where there are better records kept. Police records abound in the kind of gunshot wounds, and I think it would be very easy to make some kind of insurance determination as far as this kind of insurance is concerned."
"My second question is, if we were to deliver the votes to put this Amendment on the Bill - your novel approach, which really is a novel approach - would you then be willing to commit, personally and to the extent you can 'prostheletize' your colleagues to support the Bill in whole, have not only Amendment #3, but the pre-emption Bill, generally?"
"Well, Representative... Representative Johnson, I spent a lot of time in drafting some of the districts in this General Assembly, so I know a lot of the ins and outs and twists and turns of all of the 118 districts in this room. However, you may not know that the first district, which I represent, has, as its... one of its kingpin, fine communities, the Village of Morton Grove. So I would certainly talk with my constituents in Morton Grove before I committed on that issue."
"Well, we know that you're a very persuasive force, not only in terms of your delivery on the House floor, but in terms of votes on that side of the aisle."
"Only when I've got the gavel, am I persuasive."
"Would you... Would you be willing to give us 10 votes from non-Morton Grove, anti-gun Legislators to pass this Bill generally?"
"Representative... Representative, let me... So you don't make any mistake about my own position and power, I am in 148 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 the Chair often, and I used to think that I was the captain when I got up there, and I found out I'm only the helmsman. So I have no votes to give you. I have only one vote in this General Assembly, and I will confer with my constituents in Morton Grove about that vote."
"What... What you're saying, probably is, given Morton Grove's history, that even if we adopt your Amendment to the Bill, you'll probably vote against the Bill in its final form. Do you think that's a safe statement? No more questions."
"You know, we're talking to the Amendment, but that's all I can tell you."
"On the question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton. Excuse me. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"
"Well, Mr. (sic Madam) Speaker, after that intriguing question and answer session, I have no recourse but to raise a point of order. Under the previous rulings of the Chair, even on this particular Bill in question, this Amendment is not germane. This... The Bill deals with the Municipal Code as a pre-emption Bill on the... in the Municipal Code, and the Amendment enacts a new Act in relation to firearms and firearm ammunition and amends the Insurance Code. And for those reasons, by all traditional standards of this House, the Amendment is non-germane."
"The Gentleman has raised a point of order. The Gentleman is correct. Representative Greiman?"
"Well, Mr. (sic Madam) Speaker... Speaker, you will note that I have amended the title to this Bill as well. And so, in doing that, I provide for... I think I changed the direction of the Bill. The change is also the rule this far as germaneness is concerned, so I believe that while your ruling may have been correct previously, I think 149 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 the Amendment of the title in lines five through seven may give another rule... may obtain."
"Unfortunately, Representative Greiman, we can't... the Chair cannot agree with you. The Amendment is not germane, and therefore, the Amendment must be ruled out of order. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Braun, amends House Bill 410 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Braun."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Actually, if I may comment on the past Amendment of Representative Greiman's Amendment, just think, for those of you who are for mandatory insurance, if we had his Bill, we'd never have a problem with handguns in the inner city, because nobody could get insurance for them. Be that as it may, Amendment #... Amendment #4 has to do with a rather novel concept, for those of you who are interested in keeping handguns in the home and handguns in your place of business and handguns where you work to protect your personal property as well as yourself, this particular provision says that it's okay if you want to do that. The only time you'd have a problem is if you are transporting the handgun, that is to say, if you are taking it upon the highways and the byways and on the streets where other people can be expected to walk and get together. It's called... That's exactly right. Thank you, Representative, that is where it's needed, and the issue of the handgun transportation permanent Act suggests that we allow a system whereby permits to move a gun from one place to another, except for when you first buy it, of course, will be put into place, and I suggest... submit to the Chair... to the Members of this House that the handgun transportation permit provisions will go a long way to 150 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 dealing with the carnage on our streets and in our inner cities that we are suffering from the prevalence of handguns in those particular areas, without unduly detracting from the rights and interests of people who want to protect their homes. I urge your support for this Amendment."
"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 410. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Madam Speaker, again in regard to Amendment #4, Amendment #4 does not deal with the Municipal Code, which is all the Bill deals with. Amendment #4 creates a new Act unrelated to the Municipal Code and to the pre-emption issue, and for those reasons, it, too, suffers the fatal defect of nongermaneness."
"I'm sorry, Representative Vinson, but the reason for the Chair's ruling in the previous Bills... or the previous Amendments was because the previous Amendments did not deal with the licensure of firearms, which is what the Bill deals with. This Amendment deals with the licensure of firearms, and the Amendment is therefore germane. Does anyone wish to speak to the issue? There being no further... There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #... Your light's not on, Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson."
"This is an anti-gun Amendment to a pro-gun Bill. I suggest that we ought to have the opportunity to vote on House Bill 410 in the form that it was voted out of Committee. Legislation similar to, if not identical to this Amendment has already been defeated and placed in Interim Study. So I think we ought to have, as Sponsors of the Bill - bipartisan Sponsors of the Bill - the opportunity to vote up or down on House Bill 410. NRA and 151 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 all other wildlife gun groups all would unanimously oppose this Amendment, and I would ask for opposition to House Amendment #4."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Point of order, Madam Speaker."
"State your point."
"I respectfully submit that while this Bill may be germane according to the ruling of the Chair, it certainly violates the single subject rule, the single subject rule of the Constitution, and is therefore out of order as violative thereof. Single subject rule has been historically applied by the Illinois courts more narrowly than the germaneness rule, and its precise purpose is to avoid the requirement of Legislators voting on a group of issues which are necessarily in conflict with each other. Its precise purpose is to avoid what the Sponsor of the Amendment has just created, and that is an irreconcilable vote on a single Bill. We have one Bill which deals with the pre-emption of home rule. We have a second Bill which creates an entirely new Act, whose position or whose mandates are entirely inconsistent with the underlying Bill. The single subject rule is different from the germaneness rule. It's interpreted much more broadly... or I should say much more narrowly, so that the single subject violation is indeed the case, and I ask for a ruling thereon."
"Representative McCracken, it's our... It's the Chair judgment that the Bill, if adopted... if the Amendment is adopted, will not violate the single subject rule. Are there any other questions? The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."
"Weli... Madam Chair, I was simply going to respond to... 152 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"No need to respond, Representative Braun."
"Thank you."
"Representative Piel?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, just to ask for a Roll Call on this vote."
"Surely. The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I don't think there's any philosophical inconsistency between the underlying Bill and Amendment 4, which is now proposed. The underlying Bill says there will be a single state statute governing the regulation of firearms. Only at the state level will we permit regulation of firearms in the State of Illinois. Representative Braun's proposal is only one to ensure that when it comes to transporting certain kinds of firearms, there are appropriate civil penalties if the individual seeking to transport that handgun is not, in fact, permitted to do so under state statute. Nothing inconsistent between the Amendment and the Bill, and it seems to me that if the Members of this House are interested in seeing to it that it is we at the state level who regulate firearms, we should be especially concerned about the transportation of handguns across our highways from one community to another. I think the Amendment is a good one, and I think both those who are for and against handgun control, both those who are for and against the underlying proposition in House Bill 410, would be well advised to support it."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall this House adopt Amendment #4 to House Bill 410?' Representative Braun to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This 153 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 legislation is fully consistent with the provisions of House Bill 410 in that it does set up a state-wide system, it does not violate the rights or interests of any person who wants to own a handgun. If you want to own a handgun under this formula, it's okay by us. The only place this Bill comes into effect is when you want to take that handgun out to 57th and State Street or Madison and Halsted or... and do harm to your fellow person. This way, people who are legitimate business people, who want to carry their handguns, who want to take their guns from work to home or from home to work, who have a legitimate reason to have their handgun on them, can have a permit from the police department that says, 'You're okay. You can carry your gun. No problem.' However, those people who are underage or who are criminals or who are likely to use that handgun on somebody else, probably the police would deny them a permit to transport their handguns. So for all of you solid citizens here in the General Assembly, you ought to be for this Bill, because this Bill says you can get a permit to carry your handgun, but the guy out there who's going to rob you won't be able to get a permit to carry his, or hers, as the case may be. So I encourage your support for Amendment #4."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 410 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 100... there are 18 voting 'aye', 81 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Representative Johnson, I'm sorry, but there 154 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 has been a fiscal note filed on this case, so the Bill has to remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 147, Representative Shaw. This is on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Shaw. Clerk, read the Bill. 147, on page seven on our Calendars."
"House Bill 147, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning job training. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 147, offered by Representative DeJaegher."
"Representative DeJaegher. Representative DeJaegher on Amendment #2 to House Bill 147. This is Representative Shaw's Bill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the General Assembly. Basically, all what Amendment #2 to House Bill #147 does is remove the population element. I feel if everybody should deserve consideration when we're talking about jobs, and basically, all it does is remove the population segment."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 147. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 147 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 198, Representative Hicks. It's on page eight on your Calendar. Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks. Clerk, read 155 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day the Bill." May 9, 1985
"House Bill 198, a Bill for an Act in relationship to taxation of oil field equipment. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Motions filed, or Floor Amendments?"
"No Motions or Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 312, on page eight on your Calendar. Representative Soliz? Representative Soliz? Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 312, a Bill for an Act to provide for justice for all citizens and residents of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Soliz, amends House Bill 312 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Soliz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I'd like to withdraw or move to withdraw Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Soliz, amends House Bill... "
"Representative Soliz."
"What I've done with Amendment #2, Madam Speaker and Members of the House, is to make this Bill a lot more palatable. This Bill is a Bill which would provide for the certification of interpreters that are used in judicial proceedings. At the present time, there is a law which requires that interpreters be used in judicial proceedings whenever a defendant is not able to speak in the English language. What this Bill essentially does is to create the procedure whereby these interpreters are assured to be competent and are certified by the Office of the Courts in 156 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 the State of Illinois."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 312. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Yes."
"The requirement is limited to criminal and juvenile cases. Is that correct?"
"That's correct."
"And it is discretionary in civil cases that a... so that, in effect, a competent non-certified interpreter may be used in civil cases?"
"That's correct."
"And this will be administered by the Illinois Office of... Judge 'Gulley' Office? I forget the name."
"That's correct."
"Alright. So it's not going to be limited to Cook County any more. It'll be statewide."
"That's correct."
"And is that a change from the Bill as it came out of Committee?"
"No, it isn't."
"I thought it was... I thought was just Chicago."
"No, it... It was..."
"Okay. Alright."
"The Bill was..."
"But in any event, it's the whole state now."
"It always has been. Yes."
"Alright. Okay. Thank you."
"There being no further... The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."
"(Question asked in Spanish)" 157 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37tn Legislative Day
"I didn't under... "
"Would you repeat... "
"(Question repeated)"
"(Reply in Spanish)"
"(Second question in Spanish)"
"Excellent Spanish. It is... It is necessary... It is... It is necessary because we have a system whereby many times, Judges, attorneys or defendants use just anyone, really, off the street to provide interpreting, and there's no assurances that this interpreter is competent interpret in a court of law. And this Bill simply provides for the certification to assure that interpreters are competent when they are used in judicial criminal proceedings in the State of Illinois."
"('Thank you' in Spanish)"
"I commend him for his Spanish."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative, do they presently have a certification program anywhere in the State of Illinois?"
"Within certain counties. For example, Cook County, they have a minimal certification program for the interpreters used in Cook County, but we had testimony, particularly from interpreters in Cook County and the adminstrator of the Cook County program, about the need for this kind of program statewide, to assure uniformity, and to assure that there are competent interpreters used in the court... in the courts of the State of Illinois."
"And to they give tests, presently?"
"Yes, they do." 158 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"And are the standards of this statewide Bill greater or lesser than the standards in Cook County?"
"The standards are not really defined within the context of the Bill. It allows or gives the discretion to the Office of the Illinois Courts to provide for such standards and to provide for the actual testing. The standards are not provided or specified in the Bill."
"Okay, but this is a mandated program. In other words, this is a requirement that this program exists."
"That's correct."
"And do you have any idea what the fiscal cost of this program would be?"
"Well, the cost of the interpreters will be borne by the counties. The Office of the Courts will actually only be responsible for assuring that they.... that they... interpreters are competent and will provide a list of the interpreters that have... that have completed the test satisfactorily, to the different Circuit Courts throughout the State of Illinois."
"And then, Judge 'Gulley's' office will be the one that will run this program statewide?"
"All the... Chief 'Gulley' would do is certify the interpreters. The Circuit Courts would then choose from the list, and they would... they would actually bear the cost of the... of the interpreters."
"Okay, so where... "
"That's current law, actually."
"Throughout the State of Illinois?"
"That's correct. The law already requires that interpreters be utilized in situations where there is a demonstrated need. All that this Bill actually does is to provide for the certification of these interpreters that are already provided through the expense of the counties." 159 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Have you checked out with Judge 'Gulley' as to whether or not he approves the certification and the fact that he will administer this program?"
"No, I have not, because this is really a legislative mandate, and we're... we are actually requiring the Office of the Courts to institute a program which would assure that justice is provided to every citizen of this state, irregardless of whether they are... whether they are monolingual or bilingual or whether they are deaf or not. This would provide for the certification of interpreters for the deaf, also, in the court systems, to provide that they are actually competent when they interpret in judicial proceedings."
"Thank you very much. No further questions."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"He will."
"Representative Soliz, is there anything in this Bill that would regulate the amount of money that a certified interpreter could charge for his or her services as an interpreter?"
"No, there isn't. It's... The fee is actually set by the counties, because the counties are the actual... they actually are the payors. They actually pay for the interpreters."
"Well, as I..."
"The state would not pay for the interpreters."
"As I read the Bill, the Bill says that a certified interpreter has to be appointed if that interpreter is available. Is that correct?"
"That's correct. It would be appointed by the counties... by the Circuit Court." 160 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"And if a May 9, 1985 certified interpreter is available and charges, I don't know, $100 an hour, but that person is available, is there anything in the Bill that says that you don't have to hire that person? The person's available, but if they hire an exorbitant amount of money to act as an interpreter, need you nonetheless hire that person?"
"My understanding is that the counties have a system whereby they employ interpreters at a certain rate per hour, and that's the set fee."
"Well, but they're... "
"The counties will actually set the fee."
"I'm asking this because maybe I don't understand the Bill, but if I speak Hindustani, and I want to become a certified interpreter in the Hindustani language, can I become a certified court interpreter?"
"What you would... In order to become a certified interpreter, you would make an application to the Office of the Courts to be certified, and you would actually have to pay a fee, and this fee would be used, then, to generate monies to pay for the certification procedures, and then once you're on the... then the Office of the Courts would put you on a list, and then the Circuit Courts would be able to use your services at a certain fee that the Circuit Courts or the county would set."
"I see. And that's in the Bill, that the Circuit Court or the county would set the fee that is to be paid?"
"That's correct. That's correct. And that's presently the law as it exists at the present time, as well as the practice. The Courts are required to appoint interpreters in judicial criminal proceeding, when a defendant is not able to speak the language, or in the case of a deaf person."
"But does this... Does this Bill apply only to criminal 161 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day proceedings, or does it apply also to civil
"Only to criminal proceedings."
"I see, I see. Thank you." May 9, 1985 proceedings?"
Speaker Breslin: "There being no further discussion, Representative Soliz to close on his Amendment. have anything further to say?" Do you
"I would just like to urge the adoption of this Amendment. It simply... simplifies and, I think, makes the Bill as was enacted in the Committee, much more palatable. It actually provides for very little expense to the state, and most of the expense of the interpreters, or all of the expense of the interpreters will actually be incurred by the counties, and it's essentially a Bill to provide for assurances that competent interpreters are used in judicial criminal proceedings. And I'd urge... 11
"The question is, Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 312 be adopted?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"There is a State Mandates Act fiscal note already filed on this Bill, Representative Soliz, so the Bill will have to remain on the Order of Second Reading until you get that fiscal note. Does anyone else seek recognition on this Bill? No. Therefore, we... the next Bill to be taken appears on page eight on your Calendar. It's House Bill 317. Representative Braun? Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 317, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 162 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On page eight on your Clerk, read the Bill." May 9, 1985 House Bill 320, appearing also Calendar.
Representative Braun. Clerk O'Brien: "House Bill 320, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 330 on page eight on your Calendar. Bill." Representative Braun. Clerk, read the
"House Bill 330, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 436, Representative Flinn. That appears on page 10 on your Calendar. House Bill 436. Representative Flinn. Out of the record. House Bill 457 appears on page 10 on your Calendar. Representative Zwick. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 457, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Uniform Commercial Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Zwick, amends House Bill 457."
"Representative Zwick."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe I presented Amendment #2 to House Bill 457 earlier and didn't realize 163 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 that it had not been distributed. I would ask for the adoption now of Amendment #2, which deals with concerns that you, Madam Speaker, raised in Judiciary Committee to limit the scope of this Bill to apply to only the first check that would be presented to a retailer, and I would move for its adoption."
"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 457. And on that question, the Gentleman form DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She will yield for a question."
"... Can you give us an example of how the bank could show that the payee of the check should have known it would be dishonored?"
"Certainly. What we are trying to achieve is to make sure that, should someone present a check to a retailer on... yesterday, for example, and that business submits the check to their bank to clear it, and it comes back to them on perhaps, Friday, if that person would come in with another check the following week, they should have known not to accept that check because they have gotten the other check, the first check that that person wrote to the retailer, back from the bank, and would have reason to not accept any further checks from that person. They Should have had knowledge that the person wrote a bad check."
"What if the person came in with a new bank account and claimed it was sufficient, could they sue them for a civil rights violation for failure to sell goods to them?"
"It is certainly not the intention of this Bill to allow that to happen."
"Nothing further."
"Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?" 164 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"Yes." Cullerton: May 9, 1985 to "Who would you say would have the burden of proof show that the... to allow the bank to impose a charge? In other words, the way the Amendment reads, it allows the bank to impose a charge if the person who gave the check to the bank knew, or should have known, that the check was likely to be dishonored. Who has the burden to show that? Can the bank charge the fee every time and make the customer prove that he didn't know, or does the bank have to investigate each circumstance under which the check was written and decide?"
"It is my intention that the bank would have to show that when they return the check." Cullerton:
"Now, I really want to vote for this Bill, and I don't know if this Amendment's making it more and more difficult to do that." "If you would prefer that the retailer would have the burden, then I would certainly be agreeable to that, Representative Cullerton."
"Well, it's your Bill."
"How about if the retailer has the burden?"
"I don't know. Move it to Third, and let's talk."
"Okay... "
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 457 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 582... Excuse me. House Bill 466, Representative Younge. That appears on... I'm sorry. Representative Younge, where does that Bill appear on this Calendar?" 165 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day
"Madam Speaker, it's 446, on Second Reading."
"446. Excuse me. House Bill 446 on page 10 on the Calendar. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 446, a Bill for an Act to create the Exhibition and Auditorium Authority of East St. Louis. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Motions filed or Amendments filed?"
"No Committee Amendments and no Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 575, Representative Dunn, page 12 on your Calendar. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 575, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Motions filed or Committee Amendments filed?"
"No Committee Amendments or no Floor Amendments."
"... Floor Amendments. Third Reading. House Bill 582, which is on page 12 on the Calendar. Representative Woodyard. House Bill 582. Clerk, read the Bill. Okay. The Bill is presently upstairs and not available for us to call right at this moment. We'll try to get back to it, and they'll send it down to us, Representative Woodyard. House Bill 791, Representative Saltsman. That appears on page 15 on your Calendar. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 791, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act regulating wages of laborers, mechanics and other workers employed in any public works by the state, county, city or any public body of any political subdivision or by anyone under contract for public works. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 166 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Mays, amends House Bill 791 as amended on page one and so forth."
"Representative Mays."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Amendment #1 to House Bill 731 redefines the way in which a prevailing wage is calculated. It will take into consideration both private as well as public works projects in the area, and it also gives the powers for determining what the prevailing wage would be totally to the state. Right now, the way we calculate the prevailing wage, many of us, I'm sure, have been called by various local government units protesting the way that the state comes down and hands down the prevailing wage determinations or their recommendations, leaving the local units of government nothing but a rubber stamp mechanism, so we wanted to... if we're going to get the blame for setting the prevailing wage, I figure we might as well just have that in the statute books, so I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 791. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative Mays, when you put House Bill 752 on Interim Study, was it your intention to hold hearings on that Bill in order to get testimony to decide whether or not that should become law?"
"Representative Cullerton, I did not put House Bill 752 on Interim Study. I am not the Sponsor of that Bill. That 167 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day happens to be the Amendment that we have before us at this time. 752... "
"Oh, I'm sorry. This... "
"I did not put 752 in Interim Study."
"Okay. I'm... Okay, you weren't the Sponsor of 752?"
"No, I was not."
"Okay. Is this Amendment the subject matter of another... of another Bill?"
"It is the subject matter of 752."
"Oh, I see. I see. And what happened with 752?"
"It was heard in Labor and Commerce Committee, I think, on the second Wednesday before... second to last Wednesday of our hearing. At that hearing, there was one, maybe two of the Members of your Party present, and we didn't have any votes there to pass the Bill out, so it was necessarily committed, I think at that point, to Interim Study. But it being as the Members of your side didn't have the opportunity to hear it, I figured that we'd try to bring it up."
"Okay. It's Weaver... Weaver is the Sponsor of 752. Is that correct?"
"That's correct."
"And you're just a Cosponsor."
"I'm not even a Cosponsor."
"Yes, you are. The Digest says you are."
"I like the issue. It's an interesting issue."
"The Digest says Weaver - Williamson - Tate - Mays and Barger. I just wanted to get it straight in my mind that what... you know, what this... "
"This is 752."
"So this Amendment guts the... guts Saltsman's Bill and then puts the Bill that was defeated in Committee on."
"Yes. Mr. Saltsman's Bill redefines what a public works 168 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 project is, so I felt that I would redefine, rather than go one way, I would redefine what 'prevailing wage' is."
"Well, now, are you opposed to Mr. Saltsman's Bill?"
"I am not at all in favor of it, that's correct. If I was, I would have left that intact."
"I see. So this all... So, I understand that you strike everything after the enacting clause and you gut his Bill."
"I think you've done that once or twice, too."
"Well, no. I'm just asking..."
"Absolutely."
"We just had a chance to get the Amendment. I just want to find out exactly what it does. Okay, thank you. No further questions."
"Thank you very much."
"The Gentleman from Coles, Representative Weaver."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, in support of the Amendment."
"Proceed."
"The reason that I'm rising in support of this Amendment is that it is a vehicle to help provide additional employment in county areas where we've had a problem with public projects that were cancelled simply because the smaller contractors could not afford to pay outrageous rates that were not in keeping with the average wage of the area. We feel that by adding this Amendment, it would actually increase employment, because it would make possible public projects that would otherwise be eliminated because of the high cost of that project. We feel that this Amendment will also give a fairer representation of what the actual wage in the area is, and we respectfully ask for support for this Amendment. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative 169 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Saltsman."
May 9, 1985 "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am definitely opposed to this Amendment, and this Amendment here would definitely hurt our local contractors in all the midwest. The reason is, they got a prevailing wage there that they do have to pay, and their bids are put out accordingly, so if you're going to let someone come in and destroy this program, you're going to bring these right-to-work contractors in here like they did in Peoria, Illinois, at ADM. You're going to bring these contractors in here at lower rates, and the contractors that stuck with us with all these years are not going to have a fair chance to bid on these issues. Therefore, I ask that this Amendment be defeated. It's nothing more than to gut the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He will yield for a question."
"What is the practical effect of this Amendment? Would it lower the amount of wages paid to construction workers, or would it raise the amount of wages paid to construction workers on public works projects?"
"There... Thank you. There are at least two practical effects. Number one, it would determine the wage for that given geographical location on the basis of wages prevalent in that geographic locations, and whatever the effect might be up or down, would be determined on the basis of what the wages are being paid on both private and public works projects in that given area, and then the second effect is that the State Department of Labor would actually, finally, once and for all be totally responsible for this whole mechanism for price fix... or wage fixing."
"The Department of Transportation or the Department of 170 STATE OF ILLINOI IS 84th GENERAL ASSEM BLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTA ATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DI DEBATE 37th Legislative Day Labor?"
"Department of Labor."
May 9, 1985 "The Department of Labor has that responsibility now. Is that correct? The Department of Labor currently must determine the prevailing wage in every county of the state, under current law. Is that correct?"
"NO, works. McPike: Mays: not... In... that not... In practicality, that's the way it You know, in the statute, the way it is that the county boar or given unit of local government that is going to be doing public works has το adopt a prevailing wage schedule for each of the different categories of work. That schedule is recommended for their adoption by the Department of Labor. They can vary that, supposedly, but then they are subject to appeal to the State Department of Labor." "Back to the first question. to lower the wages paid to raise the wages paid to works projects?" Would the effect of this be construction workers, or to construction workers on public "I would imagine, with the way that the prevailing wage has been determined with the fact that the previous year's prevailing vage becomes the base for the next year's prevailing wage, and so on ad infinitum, would imagine that the net effect might be to reduce the wages paid construction workers for public projects." I
"Thank you. To the Amendment, Mr. (sic - Madam) Speaker."
"Proceed."
"To the Bill, Madam Speaker."
"Proceed."
"Well, I think it's interesting that the Gentleman from Adams would introduce an Amendment in order to lower the wages being paid to workers in his district. Most of us 171 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GEN NERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF RE REPRESE ENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE a May 9, 1985 37th Legislative Day try to benefit, through bringing projects to our area and through trying to make a better life for the people that live in our area. Few people introduce Bills that would hurt working men and women, that would take the current prevailing wage paid for a bridge or a road and say to them, 'Next year, we're going to make sure that you get paid less than you got paid this year. We're going to make sure that you have less money to take home to your family than you do today. And we know we still have five percent or four percent inflation, but really, we really don't care that you're out there working on construction projects all day and have to buy the same food that we buy. We don't care that we get raises every year or that white collar people get raises every year. We want to make sure that when we introduce Bills in Springfield, these Bills lower your wages. I would be embarrassed to go home and face workers in my area and tell them that that was my intent, to introduce Bills to hurt them. I would much prefer to try to help the people that I represent, rather than trying to hurt them and their families. The purpose of prevailing wage is to make sure that the government doesn't come into an area and try to destroy the local wage base. Working men and women have a right in this state. One million of them belong to unions. One million of them sit and bargain collectively for their good. We don't think the state should then come in and try to destroy those agreements reached across the table in order to lower the wages that these men and women work for under their normal course of business. I think the Amendment should be defeated."
"Representative Mays to close."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. In practical effect, what this Bill would do is promote local labor and promote local employment by making sure that the wage base is 172 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day a May 9, 1985 competitive, rather than having a St. Louis firm come in bid on Quincy projects or Adams County projects and not have a competitive price, you know, taking that completely away. What this would do is, in Quincy or in Coles County or in wherever the other county might be, local wages would be the determinant... would be determined. So this Bill will... is a taxpayers' Bill. It's an employment Bill for a lot of people that are currently unemployed, and it's competitive Bill... a competitive Amendment, and for those reasons, I would urge its adoption."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 το House Bill 791 be adopted? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 42 voting 'aye', 64 voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The next Bill is House Bill 83. It appears on page seven on your Calendar. Wait's Bill. Clerk, read the Bill."
Representative Clerk O'Brien: "House Bill 83, a Bill for an Act to provide for the deferral of payments of special assessments on property of senior citizens and disabled persons. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
Wait." "Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative "Representative Wait."
"Yes, Madam Chairman, Members of the House, Amndment #1 basically just ties in with the system that we set up last year for a deferral on property taxes on the residents that we have. Since we had a good Bill last year, this would 173 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day simply extend this to special assessments. May 9, 1985 Oftentimes, special assessments are ten times what the burden is placed on the local taxpayer, the senior citizens, and this would help to keep them in their homes."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 83. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, I'm sorry. I just couldn't understand your explanation. I was the Sponsor of that senior citizens/disabled persons property tax relief Bill along with Senator Bermann, and I didn't understand how your Amendment changes the original Bill."
"This just piggy backs onto your Bill but allows the deferral for special assessments, as well as the property tax which we implemented last year."
"Oh, I see. Alright. Thank you."
"Thank you."
"Representative O'Connell on the question."
"I'm sorry, Representative I did not hear the substance of your Amendment. Could you..."
"Okay. The Amendment, basically, just piggy backs onto Representative Cullerton's Bill from last year. Actually, I had this Bill two years ago, but there's no sense of having, you know, two systems set up, since we had the existing system set up there that would allow the special assessment to be paid by the state. The state then would have a lien on the property, and so when the senior citizen then moved out of their home, at that time, then the state would get their money."
"I guess I'm not really familiar or recall what Representative Cullerton's Bill did last year. Could you just tell me what..."
"Okay. His Bill allowed, basically, senior citizens who 174 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GE ENER RAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 live in their home who made $10,000 or less to have their property tax deferred and a lien placed on their homes So that they would not have to be evicted from their houses because they could not pay their property taxes."
"Would you be willing to add special service areas to special assessments... to the special assessment provision in the Senate?"
"Yeah, I would have no problem with that."
"Thank you. I'd like to talk to you about that. Okay."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 83 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The next Bill is House Bill 115 on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Oblinger, House Bill 115."
"House Bill 115, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments? No Floor Amendments filed, Representative Oblinger. However, a fiscal note has been filed as of today. That's requested, rather, as of today. So you will have to file that before we can move the Bill. So we'll take that Bill out of the record. House Bill 532, Representative Woodyard's Bill appearing on page 12 on our Calendar. House Bill 582. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 582, a Bill for an Act in relation to the ownership of agrcultural land by certain corporations, partnerships and trusts. Second Reading of the Bill. 175 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day This Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted, Amendment 2 was tabled, and Amendment 3 was withdrawn."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Woodyard."
"Representative Woodyard."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment #4 actually does four things, some of these at request by different associations. We delete public utilities as the only individuals exempt from the reporting in this farmland reporting Bill. This was requested by Shell Oil Company to take care of some pipelines that would not have to be reported. It also exempts from the reporting, the requirement of land held by foreign ownership which is already being reported under the Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act at this time. It also exempts from the reporting the agricultural land that has a pre-annexation agreement or has been a platted... or a platted subdivision has been recorded. This was at the request of the Homebuilders' Association. The final thing the Amendment does is to require the Department of Agriculture to make the information available to the General Assembly and to the public. And I would urge adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 582. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 582 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have 176 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The next Bill to be called is House Bill 1117. 1117, appearing on page 19 on your Calendar. Representative Keane? Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1117, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1132 appears on page 20 on your Calendar. Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1132, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 34 appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Terzich. That's House Bill 34. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 34, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Professional Boxing and Wrestling Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 85 appears on page seven on your Calendar. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 85, a Bill for an Act in relation to 177 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE sale of used motor vehicles. No Committee Amendments." May 9, 1985
Second Reading of the Bill. Speaker Breslin: "Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Satterthwaite, amends House Bill 85 on page two and line 24 by inserting 'fifty percent of after four'."
"Representative Satterthwaite."
"Mr. Speaker and... Madam Speaker and Members of the House, the Bill before us deals with used car warranties, and the responsibility under the Bill without the Amendment falls totally on the used car seller, and my Amendment would instead divide the responsibility for any faulty portion of the automobile between the seller and the buyer. I've talked to several of the used car dealers in my legislative dictrict, and they agree that some warranty may be appropriate but feel that if they, in fact, have to take the complete responsibility for any failure, that they would have to unduly increase the price of the used automobile before selling it. With a 50/50 split of the responsibility, it would be a greater... it would be a lesser risk on the part of the used car dealer, and they would therefore not have to go over the car with a fine-tooth comb to guarantee that absolutely everything was in perfect operating condition. And for this reason, it seems to me that a 50/50 split of the responsibility is a much more logical way to go than putting all of the responsibility on the used car dealer, and I recommend the adoption of Amendment #1."
"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 85. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. A trial attorney who is wisened in these matters has told me what will really 178 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 happen in this regard, and for those reasons, I would like to ask a question of the Sponsor."
"Was that a question?"
"I would like to ask a question of the Sponsor."
"Representative Satterthwaite."
"Proceed."
"Representative, am I correct in believing that what this really does is to say that the dealer only assumes half of the cost of making the repair, rather than all of the cost of making the repair?"
"Yes."
"And isn't the real result going to be that the unscrupulous dealers who sell these lemons are just going to double the price of the repair?"
"I cannot guarantee what any unscrupulous dealer is going to do. If they are unscrupulous, they will be unscrupulous whether or not this Amendment goes on this Bill. My intent is for the legitimate used car dealer, in providing a warranty for the sale of the... providing a warranty for the used car that he is selling, that he not have to bear the total risk of any faulty part that the car may possess."
"Would a... Would a legitimate dealer sell a lemon?"
"A legitimate dealer would not intentionally sell a lemon, but it's a question of how far a legitimate dealer should be expected to go in guaranteeing that there is no fault with the car."
"Well, to the Bill, Madam Speaker."
"Proceed."
"To the Amendment. It was my intention to simply let this matter pass us by, even though I knew that what we were dealing with was an Amendment that made a bad Bill better and more likely to pass. But on the wisened advice 179 37th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 9, 1985 of a seasoned trial attorney, I rise in opposition to this Amendment. All that's going to happen is those unscrupulous dealers who sell these devilish lemons, they're just going to double the Bill. And that poor consumer is going to end up paying every bit as much money for that repair as he would have under the Bill to begin with. Now, we don't need, through this game of mirrors, to confer legitimacy on unscrupulous lemon dealers, and that's what this Amendment does. So I would urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment and request a recorded Roll Call vote."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich. "
"Yes, I am against this Amendment also. The Used Car Buyer Protection Act, as it currently is in House Bill 85, is a limited warranty at the present time, and it just covers certain parts. It's not a full warranty. It's a limited warranty, and therefore, I would be opposed to this Amendment on the same grounds as Representative Vinson. For once, he's right."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In response to the Gentleman from DeWitt's point, I think what we will have, then, is the market forces redirecting people away from these unscrupulous dealers who previously have been able to hide the fact that they were unscrupulous dealers, but now, will have to let it all hang out for everybody to see by doubling their prices, and it seems to me that the dealers who are doubling their prices are driving business away from themselves, and if that's what they want to do, then they deserve to go out of business. So I think the Gentleman from DeWitt is exorcised over a minor point, because I think the Bill 180 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 would work very well with this Amendment on it."
"There being no further discussion, Representative Satterthwaite is recognized to close."
"Well, Madam Speaker and Members of the House, the Gentleman from across the aisle who rises in opposition to the Amendment has essentially indicated, by his own statement, that this would improve the Bill, and yet by a twist of his comments, he chooses to act against the Amendment. I assume, in order to then act against the Bill as well. I suggest to you that there is a legitimate reason for having the responsibility for the risk split between the dealer and the buyer, and I would hope that the Members of the General Assembly would support me in the effort to try to make it equitable so that we are not totally penalizing either the buyer or the seller in this case, but realize that there is a risk on both sides when a used car is purchased, and that we would split that risk equally among the two parties involved. And for that reason, I would urge your support of the Amendment."
"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 85. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Greiman and Homer, would you vote me, please? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 26 voting 'aye', 77 voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On page five... This is changing the Order of Business, Ladies and Gentlemen. We are going to page 50 on your Calendar. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading there appears Senate Bill 339. 181 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 Representative Giorgi? Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 339, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. This Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Dunn, amends Senate Bill 339 on page one by inserting below line 15 the following: Section 1(b) and so forth."
"Representative Dunn. Representative Dunn withdraws Amendment #1. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Agreed Resolutions... Excuse me. Would you read the Bill, Mr. Clerk? Would you read that? We'd like to read it a third time today. Okay. On Third Reading appears Senate Bill... Senate Bill 339."
"Senate Bill 339, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Giorgi. Very good. Leave the Bill on the Order of Third Reading. Agreed Resolutions, please."
"Agreed Resolutions. House Resolution 356, offered by Representative Ropp. 357, by Representative Daniels. 358, Terzich - Krska and O'Connell. 359, by Terzich. 360, by Terzich, Krska and O'Connell. 361, by Representative Tate. And Senate Joint Resolution 55, offered by Representative Madigan."
"Representative Giorgi on the Agreed Resolutions."
"Madam Speaker, 365 (sic - 356), by Ropp, tells of Mayor Godfrey. 357, by Daniels, lauds the MDA. 358, by Terzich, commends... 359, by Terzich, praises Father Kinsella. 360, 182 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 37th Legislative Day May 9, 1985 by Tuerk, recognizes an Eagle Scout. 361 congratulates Mr. Allgood. And Madigan's 55 suggests that the Saturn plant be located in Illinois. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"Representative Giorgi moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Representative McPike is recognized for the purposes of making the Adjournment Resolution. Representative McPike moves that this House stand adjourned until 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, allowing two minutes for Perfunctory operations. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes', have it, and this House stands adjourned until 9:00 a.m. sharp tomorrow morning, allowing two minutes for Perfunctory Session. We have moved 142 Bills on the Calendar today. That seems like a lot, but it's not nearly enough. We have to do better tomorrow."
"Committee Reports. Representative Bowman, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 9, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 219, 662, 683, 994, 1040 and 1697; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 659, 661, 678, 993 and 1070. Representative Leverenz, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 9, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 721, 1011, 1037, 1110, 1506, 2239 and 2240; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 668, 1247 and 2110. 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RONALD BOGART PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE NATIJEVICH IN CHAIR PAGE 65 RECESS PAGE 78 HOUSE RECONVENES - MATIJEVICH IN CHAIR PAGE 78 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 79 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 80 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 105 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 183 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 183 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 183 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 183 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 183 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 183