"The hour of 9:00 having arrived, the House will be in Session. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Paul E. Flesner, Pastor of Grace Lutheran Church of Springfield. Reverend Flesner is a guest of Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in the gallery please rise for the invocation? Reverend."
"Let us pray. Gracious heavenly Father, we pause at the beginning of this day to acknowledge Your presence in all of life. This morning we pray first for others. We pray first for peace throughout our world, asking Your guidance and presence with those who counsel for the nations of the world, that the seeds of war may be defused. We pray also for justice and for freedom wherever there is oppression. And we pray, O God, that You would move us where we have opportunity to reach out and touch those needs and to right those wrongs. We pray for prosperity, O God, for all people, for jobs for those who are unemployed, for food for those who are hungry. And again, O God, we pray that You may instill within us that incentive that we be Your agents to work for those needs. We pray, O God, for Your strength and comfort for those in any personal need on this day, for those who are ill, for those who are in crisis and for those who this day may face death. And finally, O God, we pray for ourselves that Your presence would guide our actions and our decisions that all we do may be for the good of this world in which You have placed us and whose care You have entrusted to us. We pray this in Your name. Amen."
"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Clerk, take the record. 109 Members having answered to the Call of the Quorum, a quorum is present. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, are there any excused absences on the Democratic side?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, let the record reflect the excused absences of Representative Currie and Panayotovich."
"Let the record so reflect. Mr. Piel, are there any absences excused on the Republican side?"
"Which became obvious to everyone this morning, Representative Ropp is excused today."
"Let the record so reflect and hope that he will be back to lead us in the near future. The Gentleman from... Speaker's Table, on page 58, the Adjournment Resolution, SJR (sic - Senate Joint Resolution) 56. Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Joint Resolution #56. Resolved by the Senate of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the Senate adjourns on Thursday, May 9, 1985, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 14, 1985, at 12 o'clock noon; and when the House of Representatives adjourns on Friday, May 10, 1985, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 14, 1985, at 12 o'clock noon."
"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. Yes, Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?" 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"I was so taken back by Representative Ropp I forgot to mention that Representative Hoffman is excused today also, Mr. Speaker."
"Well, alright, we'll let the record so reflect. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's good to see you this morning. On the Calendar, on page 54, the first Bill on the Consent Calendar, Third Reading Second Day, is House Bill 354. I believe you might recall that I asked you yesterday or the day before to remove that Bill from the Consent Calendar."
"Yes, the..."
"Thank you."
"Yeah, objections have been filed. Is that correct? Alright. On page 57 of the Calendar appears... on the Order of Speaker's Table appears House Resolution 90. Mr. Clerk, House Resolution 90."
"House Resolution 90 urges the Illinois Commerce Commission not to consider altering the existing system of municipal franchise agreements with public utilities."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McNamara, on House Resolution 90."
"House Resolution 90 is merely a 90... a Resolution that will urge the Illinois Commerce Commission not to consider altering the... the franchise agreements that are presently made with the municipalities. The Municipal League is in favor of this. The villages, and towns and cities are also in favor of it. There seems to be no opposition from the public utilities as well. I would urge... urge its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McNamara, moves that the House adopt House Resolution 90. And on that, is 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 there any discussion? The Gentleman from... The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."
"Thank you. Mr... Representative... Will the Gentleman yield?"
"The Gentleman indicates that he'll yield for a question."
"Representative McNamara... I don't know... Representative McNamara, would you state in clear terms the actual substance and text of the Resolution."
"Yes, Mr. McNamara, have you satisfied her questions?"
"The question is simply if he would restate the substance and text of the Resolution. I was not able to hear him, and he was speaking kind of low."
"Alright, Mr. McNamara."
"Okay. The municipalities and the Utility Commission... what has happened is that the municipalities and the utility companies come to franchise agreements among themselves. They have for many, many years. The Illinois Commerce Commission has decided to take that out of the hand of the... of the utilities, and what they are urging to do is to make everything across the board exactly the same. Both the municipalities and the public utilities companies both feel that this is unfair. Of the ones that I've talked to, the Illinois Municipal League has supported it in this area, and they feel that every municipality has the right and a duty to create their own franchise agreement."
"Mr... Representative, is there litigation on this issue pending right now?"
"It is before the Illinois Commerce Commission right now, and many of the municipalities have filed suit against the Illinois Commerce Commission in this area." 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"And the Resolution provides that the municipalities should make their own agreement?"
"As they do right now, and that the Illinois Commerce Commission should stay out of the municipalities home rule provisions."
"Yes. Okay, thank you."
"Alright. The question is, 'Shall the House adopt... House Resolution #90?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. On the Order... On the Order of Speaker's Table appears HJR (sic - House Joint Resolution) 20, Mr. Hannig. Out of the... Mr. Hannig, HJR 20. Mr. Clerk."
"House Joint Resolution #20 urges the President and Congress to continue the programs which benefit veterans."
"The Gentleman from Macoupin, Mr. Hannig."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, this Resolution was given to me by our former distinguished Member, Representative DiPrima. And all we're simply doing is asking that as the Federal Government looks at the various items that they have to cut in an effort to balance their budget - something that we all want them to do - that they remember the veterans who served them so well in Europe, and in the Pacific, and in Korea and in Vietnam. And so there was this Bill... This Resolution was debated in the Veterans Affairs Committee. It received bipartisan support, and I would ask today for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Macoupin moves for the adoption of House Resolution 20. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Resolution 20?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 On the Speaker's Table appears HJR (sic - House Joint Resolution) 26, Mr. Mulcahey. Mr. Mulcahey. Out of the record. 27, out of the record. 28, out of the record. HJR (sic - House Joint Resolution) 32, Mr. Ronan. Mr. Clerk."
"House Joint Resolution 32 concerns the Consolidated Rail Corporation's (Conrail) service."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the adoption of House Joint Resolution 32. Conrail's a very important rail line in our state. I think that the employees are concerned about its future. I want to make sure that Congress acts in the right action, and I urge the adoption of this House Joint Resolution."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan, moves for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 32. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Sponsor might yield for a few questions."
"Indicates that he will."
"Sure."
"Representative, why is it that you want to keep from making this thing into a profit making private industry and keep it on the public dole?"
"I think that... Thank you, Representative Vinson, for that interesting question. I think Conrail's doing a great job, and I want to make sure that we can have a continuity of services for all the residents of this state. And I know you're very concerned about maintaining services for the residents of this state, and I know that you support me in this concept."
"Well, why is it that... that you don't want to see... 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 why is it that you want to see this thing sold to the Chesapeake, rather than to the Southern?"
"I don't have any desire to see this institution sold. I think that we have a concern about the price that's being recommended at this point. I think that there's some... concern that the Federal Department of Transportation might not accurately be reflecting what the... value of this rail line is."
"Well, but your Resolution urges Congress not to approve a sale to the Norfolk and Southern. Isn't that correct?"
"Absolutely. It's doing an outstanding job right now, and I have a tremendous concern about the misstated value that's been put on the rail line."
"Well, Mr. speaker, to the Resolution. I rise in opposition. I rise in opposition for two primary purposes. Number one, if no sale is consummated Conrail remains a federal property. Now, I don't believe it's appropriate for the Federal Government to be operating railroads and particularly railroads that would be operated and could be operated under private ownership. But number two, Mr. Speaker, and more important, I believe that opposition to the sale to the Norfolk and Southern Railroad will probably result in a sale to the Chesapeake system of the Conrail operation. I don't believe that the transportation system of this country or this state would be served by a consolidation of Conrail with the Chesapeake Railroad System. I believe a consolidation with the southern system would be much more pro competitive and would lead to a much stronger railroad system both in the United States and in Illinois. Now, I'll tell you this has dramatic impact on the State of Illinois. If we take the approach of working with the federal process, we can assure that any number of railroad lines in Illinois, currently operated by other 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Illinois railroads, particularly the Illinois Central, which are scheduled to be abandoned and which the Illinois Central currently plans to abandon and for which the Illinois Central under the 'Staggers' Act has imposed hugh surcharges on cars just to drive down traffic for the purpose of abandoning those branch lines, well, what we can do is absolutely insure, by working with the process that those branch lines have to be picked up by the consolidated Norfolk and Southern and the Conrail System... I think this Resolution, while the Sponsor probably has good intentions, and while the Sponsor probably is concerned about working men on the railroads, actually will prove counterproductive. For those reasons I rise in opposition. I ask for a recorded Roll Call vote on this Resolution. And in the event that it should appear to get enough votes, I would ask for a verification."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Resolution came up in Transportation Committee. It was... Really, we were in the flush of deadline Bills, and we didn't really have a very good opportunity to go over it. A lot of people think, well, it's just a Resolution. Who really cares? You know, if we pass all of these Resolutions out, the Congress are (sic - is) going to do what they want to do anyway on these things. But I would simply say that it is a mixed bag, whether this sale goes to Norfolk - Southern, or goes public or what. I have asked the Illinois Department of Transportation to come up with its analysis. I've tried to have it as impartial as it could be because it's an extremely complex issue. And on a number of given points, assertions on either side, they're saying that they just 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 don't have the facts to say whether it is absolutely right or not. But I do want to say one thing in regard to this memo that was circulated by IDOT at my request to Members of the Transportation Committee, the long term impacts on Illinois with regard to employment - and that's one of the key factors in this Resolution - and overall levels of competition and rail service of a Conrail sale to Norfolk - Southern should be minor or perhaps even positive. Shippers, who are now served by Conrail, will gain single line service to the southeast. Shippers, now served by Norfolk - Southern, will gain single line service to the east. Shippers, who would otherwise lose service - and I think that's in the Charleston area, where Norfolk - Southern has already said they're going to abandon - shippers, who would otherwise lose service, will gain a new carrier, one with a reputation for good service and low rates. So, I guess the bottom line is that there's a lot of information yet to be made available to Members of this General Assembly on this topic. And I know that the Chairman of the Transportation Committee, also the Sponsor of this Resolution are sincere in their endeavors. And I think May 10th, there is going to be a public sale type of thing proposed at the Congressional level, which should have been today. There's a lot yet to happen. I would urge either a 'present' or a 'no' vote on the Resolution at this time while we try to sift through some of the more... some of the additional information that is going to be forthcoming."
"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman... Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Mr. Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, Conrail has proven to be probably the best... best... the star in the Reagan administration's galaxy of stars, and there aren't very many. This program, 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Conrail, has made over 800 million dollars, and Conrail has... has reduced shipping time. Conrail... Conrail has been an outstanding, successful enterprise. Now, the Reagan administration wants to take care of some of their cronies, and they want to sell Conrail for less than what's... in Conrail's bank account. I think the... this could be... This is probably one of the most... This could develop into one of the greatest scandals in the Reagan administration. It could result in the indictment of the entire Department of Transportation for the surreptitious attempt to sell Conrail to the cronies in the Reagan 'Kitchen Cabinet'. And they want to sell Conrail... They want to give it away for less than... is in it's bank account. It's a steal. It's a national scandal. They've done an outstanding job in shipping, and providing jobs and keeping 'railbeds' up, and now they're surreptitiously trying to con the American people by giving Conrail away. So I urge the Members of this side of the aisle to support this Resolution.
"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Ronan to close."
"Thank you, Representative (sic - Speaker) Greiman. We've had a thorough discussion of this legislation. I think it's an important Resolution; however, since there's been a request for a Roll Call, a verified Roll Call, and we've obviously got a shortness of Members on this side of the aisle to support this concept, I ask that it be taken out of the record at the present time."
"Leave is granted. Be out of the record. Alright, we were going... We'll go on page 16. Under House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1136. Mr. Brookins, do you wish... Mr. Brookins. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Bill 1140, Mr. Klemm. Mr. Klemm, 1140. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1140, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"There are none."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1143, Mr. Laurino. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1144, Mr. Bullock. Out of the record. Second Reading... On the Order of Second Reading appears House Bill 1145, Mr. Brookins. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears... House Bill 1148. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Cullerton will take that Bill."
"House Bill 1148, a Bill for an Act to create the Privates... Private Activity Bond Allocation Council. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1151, Mr. McGann. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1153, Mr. McGann. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1154. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1159. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1159, a Bill for an Act in relationship to manufactured housing and mobile homes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1161. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1166. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1167. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1167, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to establish Governors State University. It's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."
"Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Fiscal note has been filed?"
"Fiscal note has been filed."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1179. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1179, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1182. Mr. Cullerton, 1182. Cullerton, did you want to proceed on 1182?"
"Yes. Yes."
"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1182, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to juveniles. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1186. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1188, Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson in the room? Mr. McCracken, did you want to handle that Bill? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House... House Bill 1188, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1192, Mr. Kirkland. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1195. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1195, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1198. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1202. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1202, a Bill for an Act to amend the... Comprehensive Solar Energy Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1."
"No Motions filed." 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1213. Mr. Johnson, do you wish to proceed on 1213? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1213, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1214. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1214, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the regulation of rivers, lakes and streams of the State of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1217. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Terzich, 1217. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1217, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts and to remove obstructions from the Des Plaines and Illinois rivers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich, amends House Bill 1217..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Floor Amendment #1 also included the North Shore Sanitary District under the Bill, and I would 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, I think moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1217. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I didn't hear the Gentleman's explanation of the Amendment."
"Well, was that a... You want to ask some questions, Mr. Vinson?"
"Yes. Could I ask the Gentleman a question?"
"Yes."
"Certainly."
"Representative Terzich, I didn't hear the Amendment."
"I said that the Amendment #1 also includes in the Bill the North Shore Sanitary District."
"Okay. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."
"Did he say it builds the North Shore Sanitary District?"
"It includes."
"Includes. So it includes it for bonding or what?"
"No. This is a... an adjustment, a salary adjustment. It has nothing to do with..."
"A salary adjustment. Alright. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."
"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I was hoping somebody from the Sanitary... North Shore Sanitary District would contact me on this because I really don't like to oppose my own sanitary district in any way. But what this Amendment does, it ties the North Shore Sanitary District, which is much smaller than the Metropolitan Sanitary District of Chicago, it ties any salary increase that they get to one-half for the North Shore Sanitary 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 District. Years ago when the North Shore Sanitary District were all appointed, they... they were paid 1,000 dollars a year. Then we made them elected, and we put a maximum 5,000 dollar ceiling for their salary. By this Amendment, they could go up to 18 thousand dollars. Now, you talk about all the flack we've heard about salaries of the Legislature, for example, which I think were legitimate; but here you have a very small board of the North Shore Sanitary District going from 5,000 dollars to 18 thousand dollars by 1990. Now, if the North Shore Sanitary District wants a salary increase, come up in the front door like the Metropolitan Sanitary District is doing with the Bill. Don't go in the back door with an automatic adjustment because they know that the Metropolitan Sanitary District has a lot of quote, 'power', around here. Let's do it legitimately. Let's not go in the back door. I oppose this Amendment, and I would hope that you do too. In fact, I don't think Bob Terzich even wants this Amendment on his Bill. So I would urge you to vote 'no' on this Bill... on this Amendment."
"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Terzich to close."
"Well, I... I have a commitment on the Amendment. And as I mentioned that the Amendment basically... that the North Shore Sanitary District members would be adjusted in conjunction with the Metropolitan on the assumption that the district has grown quite a bit in size. There has not been an adjustment in their salary for a considerable number of years, and I guess we can argue until, you know, the time over as far as what it should be or shouldn't be."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1218. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1218, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts and remove obstructions from the Des Plaines and Illinois rivers. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1224, Ms. Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1224, a Bill for an Act to amend the Capital Development Bond... Board Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1228. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Well, Ms... Ms. Younge, there's a fiscal note requested. Do you want to have it read or do you want to just leave it until you come in with your fiscal note. Read the Bill? Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1228, a Bill for an Act to create the Office of Urban Assistance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Alright, the Bill has to remain on the Order of 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Second Reading because there's been a request for a fiscal note. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1229. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1229, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1232. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1232, a Bill for an Act to create the Enterprise High School Laboratory. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Rice, amends House Bill 1232..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Rice, on Amendment #2. Mr. Rice. Mr. Rice requests leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1233. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1233, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Community Development Finance Corporation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1239. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1239, a Bill for an Act to amend the Alcohol and Substance Abuse Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Alright, Ms. Younge, this... there is a request also on this Bill for a fiscal note, so the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1250, Mr. Soliz. Mr. Soliz. Out of the chamber. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill... Alright, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson... Mr. Vinson requests leave to withdraw his objection previously stated to House Bill 354 on the Consent Calendar, and House Bill 354 will be returned to the Consent Calendar Third Reading, Second Day. On the Order... On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1251, Mr. Phelps. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1251, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. It's been read a second time previously. Fiscal note has been filed."
"Are there any Amendments?"
"There are no Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 1252. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1256, Mr. Ronan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1256, a Bill for an Act to provide for the use of community buildings and services for community educational programs. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 3 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 3?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1262, Mr. McPike. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1263. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1265, Ms. Breslin. Ms. Breslin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1265, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1270. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1270, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the sale and rental of video movies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1277, Mr. Phelps. Mr. 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1277, a Bill for an Act creating and relating to the State Corporation for Innovation Development. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1279. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1291. Mr... Mr. Bowman, do you wish that read? Out of the record. On the Order of House... Yes, Mr. Bowman."
"Has the fiscal note been filed? I think one was requested..."
"No. A fiscal note has been requested. I don't know if it's been filed."
"Okay. I just wondered if the Clerk had..."
"Mr. Clerk, has the fiscal note been... been filed?"
"The fiscal note has not been filed on House Bill 1291."
"Okay. Thanks."
"On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1313, Mr. Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1313, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Bank Holding Company Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1316. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Bill 1317, Mr. Hartke. Out of the record. Out of the record, Mr. Hartke? Okay. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1324. Out of the... Mr. Brunsvold, do you wish to proceed on that Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1324, a Bill for an Act concerning certain elected officials. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1330, Mr. Kulas. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. No, out of the record. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1333. Mr. Dunn, 1333. Mr... Mr. Clerk, Mr. Dunn requests that you call this Bill."
"House Bill 1333, a Bill for an Act in relationship to persons sentenced to county jails. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to House Bill... to Amendment 1?"
"No... No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1334. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 1334, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments." 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1338. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1338, a Bill for an Act to legalize and validate appropriation Bills and tax levy ordinances. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1343, Mr. O'Connell. Mr. O'Connell. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1353. Yes, Mr. Berrios, for what... On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1353, Mr. Brookins. Out of the record. Mr. Brookins, do you wish to proceed on 1353? Brookins. We've made an executive decision on that? Alright. Alright, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 15... 1353, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1355, Ms. Satterthwaite. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1360. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1360, a Bill for an Act to amend the Electronic Fund Transfer Transmission Facility Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Deuchler, amends House Bill 1360 as amended."
"The Lady from Kane, Ms. Deuchler, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 clarifies existing language that when wire transfers in banking are used that the trigger to set the time frame for completion of the transaction is the new phrase that after the entry of such debit sets the limit to apply for the time frame as... as used in the phrase by the end of the next business day."
"The Lady from Kane has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1360. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #2 to House Bill 1360 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1361, Ms. Braun. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1361, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1370, Ms. Satterthwaite. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Reading appears House Bill 1371, Ms. Zwick. Ms. Zwick, 1371."
"House Bill 1371, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Ms. Zwick, did you want us to proceed? Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1377. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1378. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1379. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1379, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Fiscal note filed? Third Reading."
"Fiscal note has been filed."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1392, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1392, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Parentage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1409. Mr. Homer, 1409. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1409..." 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Homer, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"To... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave at this time to recommit 1409 to Interim Study."
"The Gentleman asks leave of the House to recommit House Bill 1409 to the... to Interim Study. The Gentleman has leave. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1412. Mr. Homer, would you like to do the same to that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1412, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Homer, amends House Bill 1412."
"The Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer, on Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 1412."
"Thank... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1412 sets forth a criminal penalty for... for uncertified or unlicensed solicitation for firefighter magazines and police magazines and sets forth a felony violation, a Class IV felony, pursuant to agreement in the Judiciary II Committee where the Bill was heard. I am now proposing Amendment #1 which would... which would change that violation to a Class A misdemeanor. And I would ask for your approval, and I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1412. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?" 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1413. Yes, Mr. Homer, do you wish to proceed on 1413? Alright, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1413, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1424, Mr. Hicks. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1436, Mr. Levin. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1440. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1445, Mr. Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1445, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1446. Ms. Alexander, 1446. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1446, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1447, Ms. Alexander. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1447, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1453. Mr. Bullock's not with us... appears House Bill 1453, Mr. Hicks. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1459, Mr. Countryman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1459, a Bill for an Act to amend the Regency University Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Floor... Any Motions?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Slater, amends House Bill 1459."
"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Slater, on Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 simply adds the Board of Governors to the Board of Regents. Would authorize the Board of Governors to have the same authority as the University of Illinois, Southern Illinois University and the Board of Regents, and I would ask for its favorable adoption."
"Mr. Slater, it's McDonough, right, County?"
"Yes, Sir."
"Yes, alright. The Gentleman from McDonough 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1459. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1466. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1467. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1467, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to county boards. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1468. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1468, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Mr. Giorgi, a fiscal note has been requested. We'll have to hold it on Third Reading (sic - Second Reading). On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1469, Mr. McAuliffe. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 House Bill 1472. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1472, a Bill for an Act to create the Milford and the Sheldon Metropolitan Exposition Auditorium and Office Building Authorities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect..."
"Correction. Correction. No Committee Amendments."
"Alright. Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1474, Ms. Braun. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1474, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, McCracken, amends House Bill 1474."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, on Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 1474."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Currently the Bill allows for the educational program to consist of up to a four year undergraduate level degree. The Amendment would require that only vocational programs be... be accepted programs, and that they not be for a longer duration than 18 months. The purpose of this is... is to make this educational requirement a functional purpose and not to allow it to be used to further what may not be a functional education in today's market. That's its only purpose. I ask its adoption."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, moves for the adoption of House Bill #1... Amendment #1 to House Bill 1474. And on that, is there any discussion? The 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates that he will."
"This Bill deals with the workfare program under the the Illinois Department of Public Aid. And the current rules that the Department of Public Aid has, as I understand it, limits these... this assistance to two year programs. Is that your understanding, Representative McCracken?"
"I didn't have an understanding. I don't know."
"I think that's the case. And what your Amendment does... What the Bill does is try to expand it to four year programs, and what the Bill does is to limit it... what your Amendment does is to limit it to 18 months. Is there any particular reason why you'd want to lower the current rules of the Department of Public Aid from two years down to 18 month programs?"
"If I amended it to two years, would you support it?"
"Well, if you amended it to two years, then it would be the same... that would be the current law, and we wouldn't have any need for the Bill. What she wants to do with her Bill is to make four year educational programs eligible for the program. So I... I just wondered if you had an particular reason why you wanted to lower it from two years to... to 18 months."
"Well, have you ever seen Representative Braun and I agree in public?"
"Well, I just wonder why don't you just try to vote against the Bill, if you don't like the Bill, rather than lower the current law."
"I'm limiting it to vocational programs of 18 months."
"Okay. Well, I would... I would think that the Sponsor of the Bill would be certainly opposed to the 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Amendment. I think that the purpose of the Bill makes sense, and I think the Amendment should be defeated."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In response to the Amendment, this Bill came about because of a particular way the workfare program doesn't work. Right now, if a person's on workfare, if they go to school to try to improve their conditions so they can get off of welfare, if it's a four year college, they are literally forced to drop out of school in order to protect their workfare. In Committee, the Department even recognized and... and admitted that a person can spend their time filling out pieces of paper that they've gone for job interviews and stay on welfare under the workfare program but can't go to school and stay on welfare under the workfare program. That's all that the Bill does. And frankly, the Amendment guts the Bill, kills the Bill and makes it worse than current law. We..."
"Right."
"We understand we're going to have to work with the Department to come to some kind of final resolution of this issue, because we... frankly, I've had good success in working with the Department of Public Aid and their staff on these kinds of issues. We have discussed it with the director and the like. We have not come to conclusion yet. But this legislation, I think everyone's pretty clear, should go through the process as we try to work out one of these... this is basically a kink in the workfare program, a kink in the system now. You're Amendment, though, Representative McCracken, will gut the Bill, will kill the Bill and make it worse than current law already is. So if the current law is silly, as it was described in Committee, this Amendment would just make it sillier. And I would 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 really appreciate it if you would withdraw the Amendment."
"Well, I'm not going to withdraw the Amendment; but I would be willing to amend it so that four year programs were included, if four year programs were limited to nonliberal arts types pursuits. If... My only purpose of the Amendment is to make the education a functional education. And the liberal arts program doesn't necessary fulfill that function. I mean, we understand the importance of a college degree, but we're talking about more immediate concerns. We're talking about somebody getting a job as soon as possible. It is that person's desire. It is the system's desire. It's your desire. It's my desire. The purpose of the Amendment is to restrict the availability of the aid to those limited situations where we are going to do our best and most direct to get that person employed. So if it's important to you that it be a four year undergraduate program, I would be willing to go for that as long as it were limited in some respect to a functional degree."
"Oh, if that's your concern..."
"That's the point. I just don't want someone going for a liberal arts degree which is going to not further him in the job market. That's the only point."
"Representative, and I think we can reach a meeting of the minds on your concern. This Amendment doesn't do that. When you put vocational in that has a specific meaning in the law and will limit, for example, someone who wanted to go into nursing, for example."
"Right. Now..."
"That person would be knocked out of the program. In fact, that's what gave rise to this Bill. There was a young lady enrolled in the University of Illinois, Chicago Circle, who wants to be a nurse. She was also receiving 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 for herself and her one child public aid assistance. She was forced to... to literally miss her final exams or she had to take... she took the final exams, but her check was cut off because she went to take her final exam in her third year of college. I raised the issue with... with Director Coler. He agreed that it didn't make a whole lot of sense, and we are trying now to work toward something to make sense. I understand your concern, and we will address that, but this Amendment doesn't do it."
"Well, why don't we... Alright. Alright. If you'll hold the Bill, then I would agree to an Amendment for four years, and the only restriction being that it be in some functional college or pursuit, not liberal arts."
"But how do you... how do you define that in the law?"
"I can come up with that."
"You can't... Well, but Representative, you've fooled with my Bill, and we've got a thousand Bills on the Calendar. It needs to go to Third Reading."
"I can do it like that."
"Representative, I would... I would..."
"Mr. McCracken and Ms. Braun..."
"... oppose the Amendment. I would oppose it."
"...we enjoy your negotiations, but Ms. Braun, to the Bill... to the Amendment, I mean."
"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Amendment kills the Bill. The Amendment guts the intent of the legislation. I understand that Representative McCracken wants to have people... he wants to have people trained for productive activities in the job market. So do I. So do I. That's the whole purpose of this, but the Amendment doesn't do that. It, in fact, kills the Bill. I would urge your defeat of Amendment #1."
"For what purpose do you seek recognition, Mr. 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Vinson?" Vinson$:M"Well, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if we could not have leave of the House so that this Bill could be taken out of the record for a few minutes so that the two Members could try to consummate their negotiations and arrive at a reasonable agreement, and so that..."
"Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson..."
"...can. We can come back to the Bill."
"I'm not sure what your sort of a Motion to assist... I'm not sure what your... how I parliament... catalogue it it. If the Sponsor wishes to take the Bill... asks leave to take the Bill out of the record for a short period of time, we'll take it out and come back to it. She says 'no', so... Mr. Levin, on the Bill... on the Amendment. I'm sorry."
"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I concur with both Representative Cullerton and Representative Braun. I think that there is negotiations that are going on in terms of this legislation. You know, I think we are going to be able to reach an accommodation. This Amendment, however, does not, you know, clearly does not resolve the problems. It... It does not do even what the Sponsor of the Amendment suggests. And we do have a situation, I know, that affects my district. It's one of the reasons I joined in sponsoring this... this Bill. We... This Bill makes a lot of sense because it's going to allow people who want to get off the welfare rolls to be able to... They'll get the education they need in order to get off the rolls. It's very consistent with workfare, and, you know, for the moment, I would urge that we defeat the Amendment. And I'm sure that we'll be able to reach an accommodation."
"Further discussion? Mr... There being none, 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Mr. McCracken to close. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of Chair... In the opinion of the Chair, we'll have a Roll Call. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 32 voting 'aye', 71 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion... the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1475, Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1475, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments? Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Mr. Giorgi, a fiscal note has been requested and not filed, so we'll hold the Bill on Third Reading."
"Second Reading."
"On Second Reading, I mean, yes. Alright. Excuse me, Mr. Christensen, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Alright. Second Reading... On the Order of Second Reading House Bills appears House Bill 1478. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1478, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Act on Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 LeFlore."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. LeFlore, on Amendment #1."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to table Amendment... Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman asks to withdraw Amendment #1. Any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Bowman."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 simply provides a definition of homemaker services. The Bill itself pertains to homemaker services. I think a definition in the Bill is appropriate and, consequently, I offer this Amendment and move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1478. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1479. Mr. Clerk. Mr. LeFlore, 1479. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1482. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.:"
"House Bill 1482, a Bill for an Act to create the Jasper County Community Center Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1486. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1486, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Mobile Home Landlord and Tenant Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Ryder."
"The Gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Ryder."
"I with to... wish to withdraw #1."
"Amendment #1, by the Gentleman from Jersey, is withdrawn. Further Amendment?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Ryder, amends House Bill 1486."
"The Gentleman from Jersey, Mr. Ryder, on Floor Amendment #2."
"#2 deletes a portion of the Bill, which permits management of mobile home areas to require prior approval for perspective purchasers and other language which posed a problem in Committee."
"The Gentleman from Jersey, Mr. Ryder, has moved for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1486. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by... I'm sorry. Mr. Cullerton, I'm sorry."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he'll yield for a question?"
"Representative Ryder, Amendment #1 had some technical problems. Does... were you aware of those?"
"I withdrew #1, yes." 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Oh, you did. Okay. Fine. Fine. So Amendment #2 attempts to do what Amendment #1 did but in a different fashion, or..."
"Yes."
"Okay. Fine. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1491. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1491, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1492, Mr. McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1492, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Fish Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1493, Mr. Wait. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1493, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill... Yes, Mr. Friedrich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"I'm just going to handle those next three Bills. Representative Keane's not on the floor."
"Alright. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1496. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1496, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to uncollected claims and accounts receivable by state agencies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Dwight Friedrich, amends House Bill 1496..."
"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, on Floor Amendment #1."
"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. Give me just a minute. I guess we'll have to withdraw it. I don't have a copy of the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."
"Alright, you want to take this out of..."
"Yes, temporarily."
"Yes, Mr. Friedrich, it's apparently quite short. We'll let the Clerk read the Amendment."
"Okay."
"Adds the language, '...if the agency has pursued all reasonable means of collection'."
"Okay. That is... That is the Amendment. This is a Legislative Audit Commission Bill, and that was asked for by the Auditor General."
"The Gentleman from Marion moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1496. Is there any 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1500. Mr. Friedrich, will you take that one too? Alright. Oh, Mr. Keane is here now, I see. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1500, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois State Auditing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1502. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1502, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to the construction, operation, regulation and maintenance of a system of toll highways. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1504. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1504, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to authorize the organization of public health districts for the establishment and maintenance of a health departments for the same. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1507, Ms. Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1507, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act to create the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1508. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1508, a Bill for an Act to create a pilot program for the creation of energy through the disposable waste. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wyvetter Younge, amends House Bill 1508."
"The Lady from St. Clair, Ms. Younge, on Amendment #1."
"Withdraw the Amendment. Withdraw the Amendment."
"Alright, the Lady moves... The Lady withdraws Amendment #1 to House Bill 1508. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1510, Mr. Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1510, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Mautino."
"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 was the request of the administration and the Liquor Control Commission addressing the question of the five percent provisions for licensure. In other words, if a person who applies for a license has five percent or less ownership in the facility and the residency is not in that geographical area, that will not stop that entity from having a license in that city. It affects only those businesses that do the majority of their business in nonliquor related fields, such as hotels, motels, et cetera. And I move for the adoption."
"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1510. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendment."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1517. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1517, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1518. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1518, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Lottery Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Giorgi."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on Amendment #1."
"What this Amendment does, it exempts the Lottery Control Board from the bidding procedures as exemplified throughout state law because of the peculiar security and peculiar type of ticket that the Lottery has to use. So I urge the adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1518. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"Thank you. Will the Gentleman yield? Representative, is a low bid still a component in deciding to whom to award the contract?"
"Yes, it would."
"It that a dispositive consideration or is that only one of a number of considerations?"
"It's one consideration because of the peculiarity, and the security and the... the need for tickets and the constant change of the games, the marketability, the imagination, the creativity of the people who do it. We just can't be confined to the regular..."
"To the low bidder?"
"Right. You know, it's one of those things that..." 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Are there... Are there any..."
"If it isn't broke, you don't fix it, you know."
"Right. Are there any parameters..."
"The good judgment of the Republican administration, who..."
"Okay..."
"...appoints... Lottery Control Board and so on."
"I see John 'Hedrick' over there. Is this an administration Bill? Okay. Thank you."
"Clean... Clean shot."
"John, why aren't you over here with this good administration Bill?"
"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1519. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1519, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1520. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1520, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the County Home Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1523, Mr. Terzich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1523, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to create sanitary districts and remove obstructions in the Des Plaines and Illinois rivers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1528. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1529. Mr. Clerk, read... Out of the... Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1531. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1531, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee?"
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1534, Mr. Shaw. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1535. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1535, a Bill for an Act in relation to the reporting of abused and neglected children. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hastert." 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Mr. Hastert, the Gentleman from Kendall."
"Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker), Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 basically does two things. The first thing it does is deletes a provision in the Bill putting a six month statute of limitation on some child abuse reports... we're deleting that focus, and DCFS does support this change. And we also, in addition to removing that Section, we make some technical changes in the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1535. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1539, Mr. Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1539, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relation to the civil rights of municipal employees. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1540. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1540, a Bill for an Act to permit certain municipalities to utilize quick-take eminent domain procedures. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Cullerton."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Floor Amendment #2."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's a technical Amendment, merely adds the underlining to some language which was not underlined in the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1540. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"Indicates he'll yield for a question?"
"Representative Cullerton, you're Amendment would provide for quick-take powers for the CTA? Is that correct?"
"Mr. Speaker."
"Yes..."
"I'd like to withdraw Amendment #2."
"Pardon?"
"I'd like to withdraw Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendment? Withdraw 2. 2 is withdrawn."
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1544. Out of the record. Under House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1547. Ms. Alexander, 1547. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1547, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1552, Mr. Steczo. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1553. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1555. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1555, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Construction Evaluation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Ronan."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Floor Amendment #1 changes the composition of the board that I'm recommending be established for this Act. I'd like the members of the board to include the Auditor General, Director of the Bureau of the Budget and Director of the Department of Central Management Services to be... or their designees to be the members of the board."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1555. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 1556. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1557. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1558. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1558, a Bill for an Act to authorize pari-mutuel wagering at the state fairs and county fairs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Vitek..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. I'm advised that the Amendments to this are not printed, so I would ask leave to return to this Bill at such time as they are. Alright, do I have leave? The House gives leave. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1564. Out of the record. House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1566, Mr. Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1566, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Johnson."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson. Mr... Mr. Churchill, are you seeking recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an Amendment that was agreed upon in Committee that we would put it on. It's an Amendment that takes away a mandate and puts in something that would be permissive, and I would accept the Amendment."
"Are you sure Mr. Johnson doesn't want to withdraw it?" 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No. He asked in the Committee that it be put on, and I told him that I would accept it being placed on it."
"Alright. The Gentleman from Lake moves for adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1566. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment... House Amendment #... House Amendment #1 is hereby adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1567, Mr. Steczo. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1578, Mr. Peterson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1578, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to clerks of courts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1589. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1596, Mr. Steczo. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1598. Out of the record. Is that correct? Out of the record? Okay. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1614, Mr. Dunn. Mr. Dunn in the chamber? Mr. Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1614, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Dunn, amends..."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I was discussing related subject matter with some other Members; but Amendment #1 to House Bill 1614 is an Amendment which will provide automatically a restricted driving permit for someone whose license has been suspended or revoked if that suspension is for the first time and there was no injury or death. And what the terms and conditions, the restrictions, the confinement, the limitations upon the restricted driving permit are simply to get to and from work and if the vehicle is... if a vehicle is needed in the course of employment to permit that also. The purpose of this Amendment is to allow those who... who do bad things, whose licenses are suspended or revoked to continue to go to work, however, and to support themselves and support their families. At the present time, as many of you know around the State of Illinois, if a license is... suspended or revoked, even though it may be for the first time, even though there may be no... no injury, no death, the... the driver must walk for a minimum of 120 days. All over downstate Illinois that means you lose your job. If you break into a grocery store after dark and commit buglarly and it's a first offense, you get probation. And the first thing the probation officer tells you is, 'Be sure to go to work'. We're telling people whose drivers license are suspended that you cannot go to work."
"Excuse me, Mr. Dunn. Excuse me." 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Yes."
"Mr. Ronan, were you seeking to... for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the last Session, we had a Bill that the optometrists fought the opthomologists, and I assume you are on neither side of that issue, because it appears that House Bill 1598 then jumped to 1614 on the Calendar. And I just wanted to make sure that your Calendar is not incorrectly printed."
"1598 was, I think, taken out of the record. In any event, we're in the middle of Mr. Dunn's Bill..."
"No, no, Mr. Speaker, I just want... I have a question."
"Excuse me, Mr. Ronan."
"We had House Bill 1598. Then it appears that we're on House Bill 1614. I just want to know how that event occurred..."
"I just opened up the curtains. Maybe you're correct. Maybe there weren't good visibility. So, Mr. Dunn, proceed."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. So what I'm asking in House Bill 1614 is for just a little touch of mercy in the event a license is suspended; that you can't go to the tavern, you can't go to work... Shall I proceed, Mr. Speaker?"
"Mr. Dunn, excuse me. Yes, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, if the Gentleman is saying... if Mr. Ronan is saying that this Bill is carried on the Calendar wrong, I'd like him to be able to finish his point..."
"He finished his point, but go ahead. Proceed."
"I'd like him to be able to finish his point so that we can get to the bottom of this." 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Alright. Mr. Ronan, back to you, Sir. Did you have a point?"
"Yeah, Representative Greiman."
"Had you finished it?"
"I just wanted to check your vision standards. As I mentioned earlier, House Bill 1598 was called and taken out of the record, and I just would like to understand the progression process and how we got to House Bill 1614."
"We'll get back to you, Mr. Ronan. Mr. Dunn, proceed."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, once again what House Bill 1614, Amendment #1 does, so all the Members will know, is it says that restricted driving permits shall be issued on the occasion of a first suspension if there is no injury or death, and these restricted driving permits shall be automatically issued and they shall be automatically issued only for the purpose of going to and from work and for work purposes arising out of and in the course of employment. The purpose of the Amendment is to enable someone who does a bad thing and no one is hurt, no injury results, to continue to go to work. If you have to lose your license in downstate Illinois and wait 30, 60, 90 days, 120 days to even apply to get a hearing to get a restricted driving permit, you can't get to work, you lose your job. Jobs are very precious all around downstate Illinois as they are everywhere in this state. If you have a job you ought to be able to keep it. As I said earlier, if you commit burglary, the very first thing the probation officer says, 'By gosh, if you've got a job, make sure you get to work and keep that job'. We are telling people it's policy in the State of Illinois that you have to lose your job if your drivers license is suspended. That punishment doesn't fit the crime. Those whose licenses are suspended should 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 be required to go to work and all over downstate, especially - a motor vehicle is needed to get to and from work and for work purposes. This would not allow anyone to visit the tavern, would not allow them to even go to church or a doctor, just to get to and from work. I would ask your support of this Amendment and indicate that subsequently there will be a Bill coming up that will put restricted driving permits in the hands of Judges. That may be a good step, but even that Bill says there shall be a 30 day period during which the driver has to walk. And I suggest to all of you who have had contact from your constituents about the problem with restricted driving permits, anybody who has to walk for 30 days is in serious jeopardy of losing a job. If you don't have a job, you're not entitled to one of these permits. If you have a job, you should have one of these permits so you can get to and from work and do your job and be a tax paying, contributing citizen to the State of Illinois while your suffering the ignominy of not be able to drive for other purposes. I urge an affirmative vote on Amendment #1 to House Bill 1614."
"Gentleman from Macon moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1614. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's somewhat of an awkward position to take, because, in the past, I have sponsored Bills that do exactly what Representative Dunn wishes to do. However, this year, when Rep... when Mr. Edgar made some proposals, we had negotiations that went on for a number of weeks concerning the DUI package. Including... Included in those negotiations were representatives from the various bar associations and the Secretary of State's Office. Now one 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 of the major accomplishments of that compromise was to provide for judicial driving permits for first offenders, and that's what this Amendment deals with. Now, Representative Dunn is correct in that he is as suspicious of the Secretary of State's record with regard to restricted driving permits as I am; but, because of this compromise - and, of course, you know, the compromise hasn't been passed yet so I can see why Representative Dunn would want to push for this Amendment - as a result of that compromise, we're going to have a situation where the Judges will be in a position to issue judicial driving permits, not the Secretary of State's Office. So what this Amendment says is that the Secretary of State's Office must give a restricted driving permit, but what the Bill that's presumably going to pass says is that the Judges shall issue judicial driving permits and there are no restrictions. There is considerations that they must take into account in whether or not they should issue a judicial driving permit, but there are no restrictions. So, I think that we're going to find that Judges who have the person right in front of them who will ask that person where they work, how far is it they have to go to work, get some verification that they are employed, listen in a more compassionate way perhaps than some hearing officer as to the hardship that will come to the family if they don't get the right to drive. And I think that it will be a big improvement. Now... So the Amendment would be something that I would support only if we didn't have this compromise. But we do have the compromise. The Secretary of State has given in on certain things that he wants, and we gave in on certain things that we, being the representatives of the bar association, would want. And I think that to pass this Amendment would show a little bad 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 faith with regard to this negotiation process that we had. I know Representative Dunn, you know, wasn't a party to those negotiations, and he certainly has the right, as any Member here has the right to, you know, reject those negotiations. But I think when you consider that we have an enormous package that was negotiated which directly deals with the problem that he is addressing with this Amendment, I think the best thing would be to not vote for the Amendment."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"Thank you. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he'll yield for questions."
"Representative Dunn, the Bill in Committee did not address directly this subject matter, is that correct?"
"It addresses the Illinois Motor Vehicle Code. It does not... did not address the same Section. That's correct."
"And essentially what the Bill did in Committee was... was... Well, maybe I should ask you. As considered by the Committee, what did the Bill do?"
"As considered by the Committee, the Bill, prior to consideration of this Amendment, the Bill proposes to change a Section which will allow the Secretary of State to suspend a license for a fender-bender collision in which one party suffers a hangnail. The current Code allows the Secretary to suspend a driver's license where there has been one conviction of a traffic offense of any kind or nature, where there is an injury and there is no limitation upon the seriousness of the injury. So, literally, in a fender-bender where one party suffers a broken fingernail, the Secretary can suspend and the problem is the Secretary has suspended. I'm informed that the Secretary has attempted to suggested regulations to JCAR to correct this, 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 but I think we need to have policy set forth in the State of Illinois that we're not in the business of suspending drivers' licenses for minor traffic offenses."
"Okay. That Bill, prior to this Amendment as considered in Committee, did not concern itself with the availability of automatic restricted driving permits, did it?"
"That's correct."
"Didn't talk about anything about a undue hardship requirement relative to automatic RDPs?"
"We're talking about Amendment #1..."
"Well, the point I'm trying to make is Amendment #1 is... is... while it may be germane within the meaning of the rule, deals with an entirely different subject matter than was passed upon by the Committee."
"Well, I... I don't know that it's an entirely different subject matter. It addresses the Illinois Vehicle Code. And typically we get into these discussions when the Sponsor of the main legislation is not in agreement with the text of the Amendment. However, if you'll look at House Bill 1614, you'll find that I am the only main Sponsor. And if you look at the Amendment, I am the only Sponsor of the Amendment. I agree with the Bill, and I agree with the Amendment. So I don't have any problem."
"Are you familiar with the provisions in the Section or the Bill that Representative Cullerton was referring to?"
"The proposed agreement on..."
"Yes, Sir."
"Only in a preliminary fashion. As you know, I was just discussing that with you. The concern I have about the proposal is that it will require, under all circumstances, that someone who receives a suspension or revocation will 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 have to be without the use of a motor vehicle for an absolute minimum of 30 days and probably longer. And what I am suggesting to this Membership is that there are many, many cases where suspension is proper, where there should be automatically issued a driving permit to allow that person to go to and from work and to use the car for work purposes only. And I think... I think we're being shortsighted if we don't take that into consideration. And the proposed legislation allows for a judicial driving permits and puts discretion in Judges but mandates to Judges that they make everyone walk for a minimum of 30 days. And I am here to suggest to this Body that making everyone walk for 30 days is going to deprive people of employment, and I don't think that's the policy of this Body or the policy of the State of Illinois, particularly in these tough times."
"Okay, to the Amendment."
"Proceed, Sir."
"I agree with Representative Cullerton. I know that Representative Dunn was not a personal party to those negotiations. However, I think all four Leaders have signed off on the agreed Bill of Secretary Edgar and that that, in fact, will be considered by this Body in a very short time. One of the main tradeoffs in that generally agreed Bill is that the Judges, for the first time, will be given the opportunity to issue what we call judicial driving permits, restricted driving permits controlled by the Judiciary. The 30 day hard suspension that Representative Dunn refers to reflects a substantial change in the law. I agree with that. It's deterrence value is undisputed and was agreed to by all of the bar associations, by all of the Leaders of both chambers and is an agreement which has a broad concensus among the public 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 generally, and I stand in opposition to this Amendment. It should be defeated. The subject matter is being covered in a Bill which was the subject of a great deal of negotiation and work."
"The Gentleman from Jersey, Mr. Ryder."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to speak also on the Amendment. I believe, given the circumstances here, and I'm not just speaking of the circumstances of this Amendment - I'm talking about the circumstances that this Amendment addresses, which is requiring the Secretary of State. I understand the three problems, or I should say criteria, that Representative Dunn has indicated in this Bill, but I don't believe that those cover all of them. I believe there could very easily be aggrievious circumstances in which this restricting driving permit should not be issued, even if it meets the three criteria that the Amendment speaks to. ... a consequence requiring, giving absolutely no leeway to the Secretary of State on this restricted driving permit could mean that we're allowing people back out on the roads for their jobs or for whatever other reason, allowing those people back out on the roads, and they're going to endanger the safety of the people of the State of Illinois. We've had Bills here talking about seatbelts in school buses and seatbelts in automobiles. We've talked at prior times about speed limits and about the safety of our roads. But this single issue are the people that commit more deaths on the road than any other source, and I find it very difficult for you and I to go back to our constituents and say we voted for a Bill that would allow these people back out on the road, especially when you go back to a community such as one in my district in which a person who would fit this category, by the way, killed a mother when she was out on a bicycle 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 riding with her son and her husband. And in the company of those two, this drunk driver killed that mother. He could have been out on the road prior there with a restricted driving permit. It's very difficult for me to believe that this Amendment would... voting for this Amendment would be easy to explain in that and I urge a 'no' on this Amendment."
"Further discussion? Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill. Yes, Mr. Dunn, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"I'd like to respond to the..."
"Well, Mr. Dunn, he didn't frame it in a question. You'll have an opportunity to close. Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I begin to ask some questions, I would like to request a Roll Call vote on this Amendment. And will the Gentleman yield?"
"Indicates he'll yield for a question?"
"Representative Dunn, I was trying to think of some possible situations where a suspension would be given, and I think the one that perhaps came to mind first was a situation where somebody is driving down the road and there is a school bus dropping off kids. The arm is out. The lights are flashing. The kids are crossing the road, and the driver does not obey that stop sign and either goes through and perhaps kills a child getting off a school bus. In this Amendment, the way I read the Amendment, if the driver's license was to be suspended, there will be an automatic restricted driving permit to allow this person to continue to drive. Is that true? Will that be the case under your Amendment?"
"Mr. Dunn? Switch... Turn on Mr. Dunn, please."
"In answer to the question the answer is no. In that 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 circumstance there would be a death. The Amendment provides that where the offense resulted in death or personal injury of another individual there shall be no automatic restricted drivers permit."
"Representative, I think that's true under the first part of your Amendment, but the Section which deals with the surrender and return of a license does not have any restrictions. So I think that if you read Section 6-209, it provides for an automatic RDP. It does not include the language that you have under the previous Section. So I think that that situation that I suggested with the school bus, the person would get an RDP under your Bill."
"We're not talking in my Amendment about when the Secretary can issue RDP in a discretionary situation. I'm not attempting to change that in any way. What I'm saying is there is certain instances where the Secretary shall issue a restricted driving permit, and I say in the Amendment that the Secretary shall issue only where there is no injury or death. In your example, you indicated there would be a death involved. And I agree wholeheartedly. There should not be an automatic restricted driving permit, and my Amendment would not cause the issuance of a restricted driving permit."
"Representative, I just think if you take a look at your different Sections, 6-113 includes the portion that you're talking about. 6-209, under notice of cancellation, suspension or revocation, surrender and return of license, does not include that same language. And that's the part that mandates the automatic RDP. I think the... you know, what you're trying to do in your Amendment in terms of leaving out the personal injury case is probably valid."
"I think you don't understand. What I'm saying is that the Secretary will have the same power before and after this 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 legislation to take away a restricted driving permit. What I'm getting at is the timing of the issuance of one. I'm saying that there are circumstances in which the restricted driving permit ought to be issued automatically to allow the driver to save a job and, if the driver is a breadwinner, to put bread on the table for the family. What I'm also saying is that once that permit is issued, if the Secretary thinks that the driver should not have a permit, the Secretary has every right to bring about a hearing to take it away."
"Okay. So that in a situation we were talking about with a school bus, in the event that there was no personal injury, under the first Section, there would still be a situation where there would be a suspension in..."
"No. No, our law is that... if I recall correctly, that you have to get the second ticket for passing a school bus before there is a suspension."
"I see. How about in a wreckless driving situation? Is that subject to suspension?"
"I'm not an expert about this, but I think that may be in the mandatory suspension Section."
"Okay. So in other words, if a person was ticketed for wreckless driving, that person would have a suspension and then come back in and get an RDP under your Amendment."
"If it was the first suspension, if there has not been a prior suspension or revocation within three years and if there was no injury or death, yes, for work purposes only..."
"Okay."
"...not for church, not for taverns, not for graduate school, not for marriage counseling, not for alcohol counseling, not for anything except going to and from and doing work. And what's wrong with that?" 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"One final question, Representative. Then how would this Amendment effect subsequent offenses so that, you know, if the person had received the suspension with the RDP and then another offense occurred two or three days later? Would they then come back and also have a chance for an RDP?"
"It doesn't change the statute, because there would be, in that event, a second suspension. And my Amendment makes it perfectly clear that it applies only in the event of a first suspension. If there is a second suspension, you're in the hands of the Secretary of State and you're exposed to whatever he or she might do to you."
"Okay. Mr. Speaker, to the Amendment. I rise in opposition to this Amendment. I think that even though the questions I've asked are somewhat confusing, it is not confusing that someone can commit an offense for which a suspension should be issued and that if that person is going to receive in the mail the suspension of their driving privileges and at the same time receive a restricted driving permit, then we've done nothing to the person. We might as well just have said, 'Well, you don't get the suspension. You don't get any tickets. Just go out and commit mahem on the roads if you want to.' And for that reason, I rise in opposition."
"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."
"Would the Sponsor yield, please?"
"He indicates he'll yield for a question."
"Representative Dunn, I have a few questions on this one, that I've been listening to the debate and trying to figure this out. If what your Bill... or your Amendment to the Bill does is say that if somebody is in jeopardy of losing his license or, in fact, does have the three convictions, loses his license or has a drunk driving 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 conviction and loses his licenses, he automatically gets a restricted license as long as there is not the death factor and those types of things. Is that correct?"
"As long as... There are three factors which would prohibit the issuance of a restricted driving permit. One of them is injury or death. The other is that the offense must not... there must not have been a suspension or revocation within three years, and the... actually two. Those two."
"The suspension must not have been what now? More than three years?"
"Yes, that's right."
"Alright. And then is there any mitigating circumstances; otherwise, we're talking about the economic factor here of people keeping jobs and going to work and mothers that have to get kids to school and things like that. Is there anything how close he lives to work or..."
"If you would be interested in liberalizing the Amendment, we could talk about that. But what I wanted to do is let people who are not arch fiends, who are not candidates for the penitentiary get to and from work if they lose their drivers license."
"Well, that..."
"This may not be a popular position, but we were not sent here in all respects to do popular things. The people of this state who have jobs ought to be able to protect those jobs and go to work, and that's what I'm about doing. And I'm saying to the State of Illinois, to the Secretary of State, if this becomes law, that the Secretary of State will have an adequate means if he thinks a restricted driving permit has been issued to an arch fiend, to immediately begin proceedings to take it away. But there... what I'm doing is addressing the gap between the suspension and the issuance of a hardship permit because 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 that gap at the current time causes people to lose their jobs without good reason, therefore, and I want to close that gap and say, 'You can get to work'."
"Well, Representative, that wasn't the question. The question was, is there any certain circumstances to be considered about how far somebody lives from work, if they live in the rural area or the city area, before they're getting this restricted license? That's all I asked. Is there a consideration before the restricted license is granted?"
"Well, if you can conjure up how to articulate what the... the route from home to work is and how long or how short it will be, I would accept the language. The language in the Bill is taken exactly from the language in the Workers' Compensation Act which uses the language substantially in this form, arising out of and in the course of employment and then to and from work. And I think that the answer to your question really is that if someone is on the road and they are 50 miles from home in a tavern and that's not on the way to and from work, and they don't belong in the tavern, they have violated the conditions of a restricted driving permit and subject themselves to quick and prompt and swift revocation of that permit."
"So I could assume from that answer that there... somebody automatically gets that restricted license. There are no subjective..."
"If he meets the preconditions. That's correct. There are two preconditions."
"Thank you. Mr. Chairman, spokes... Mr. Speaker, to the Bill."
"Yes, Mr. Hastert, please go ahead. Proceed, Sir."
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I credit the Sponsor 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 of this Bill. He is trying to address a problem, and that's keep people working. And I've had people... those people come into my office and... after three convictions and they've lost their license or they have been convicted of DUI and they've lost their license and all of a sudden they say, you know, 'I can't get to work or I need to keep my job, and I need some type of a special dispensation'. I personally haven't been very successful or probably very feeling for those people. It seems to me, with the life... the letters that I get in my office from people and then the letters I get from groups like MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, SADD, Students Again Drunk Drivers - these types of things and these people are saying and constituents are saying, 'Get these people off the road'. I think the Representative from Decatur makes a good point. You know, these people aren't fiends bound for prison. We have strengthened our laws in criminal justice in the last few years and sent more criminals to jail. I think, however, the argument would overlap into this area, and I think we might take a look in saying, as people say, 'Yes, let's get those people who commit crimes off our streets'. Basically what we're saying here and the voice of the people of this state is saying, 'Let's take people who don't drive well, or who are hazards on the road, or who are drunk drivers, or who have had a record of drunk driving and committing hazards on the road, let's get them off the streets'. I think this Amendment does just the opposite of what the public intent is. And certainly the intent of this Legislature over the last few years is to address that subject. And I would ask that you would defeat this Amendment."
"Mr. Wolf, the Gentleman from Madison, moves the previous question. All in favor of the previous question 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the previous question will be put. Mr. Dunn, to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Just a couple of things. This Amendment has nothing to do with who loses or doesn't lose a license. This Amendment has nothing to do with who does or who doesn't get restricted driving permits, except in a few circumstances. What this Amendment does do is state, in the form of policy, that not everyone whose license is suspended or revoked is an arch fiend. If your license is suspended or revoked for three minor... or actually suspended for three minor speeding violations you're not an arch fiend. If your license is suspended for any one of a number of categories of discretionary authorization on the part of the Secretary of State, you're not an arch fiend. You should be able to go to work. In our Criminal Code, if you commit burglary, the probation officer will tell you to go to work. As a matter of fact, you could go out and steal a car and get probation and drive to work. You can steal a car and drive to work. But if the Secretary of State gets your driver's license, you can't get to work. What I'm saying to you is have a little mercy. Mercy does season justice. For God's sake, eliminate the gap. If it's a first suspension, say you can go to and from work and you can drive for work purposes. If you're naughty, take the permit away, but don't make people downstate walk. Pass this Amendment. I urge an 'aye' vote."
"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 49 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 voting 'aye', 54 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1604. Mr. Ronan, did you wish that Bill called?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the opportunity to have my Bill heard today. We've got a number of Amendments filed, but I still think it's important that we consider the issue, and I'd like to have the Bill taken out of the record."
"Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1624, Mr. Flinn. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1636, Ms. Satterthwaite. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1641. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1641, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to certain investments of public funds by public agencies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1647. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1648, Mr. Bowman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1648, a Bill for an Act in relation to property rights of aliens. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 1651, Mr. Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 1656, Mr. Levin. Out of the record. Mr. Levin, you want to go with 1656? Mr. Clerk, read 1656."
"House Bill 1656, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Huff, amends House Bill..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Huff, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 1656."
"Mr. Speaker, I'm going to... I have to withdraw this Amendment."
"Amendment #1 will be withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Yes, Mr. Levin."
"... pick up 1651?"
"Pardon?"
"Can we go back and pick up 1651?"
"Alright. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1651. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1651, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No... Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Floor Amendments? I mean, any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Levin."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is simply a technical cleanup of Amendment #1. There were some bad references in Amendment #1 and some language that should have been listed as deleted that was not. There is no substantive changes in Amendment #2."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1651. And on that, is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1663, Mr. Ryder. 1663. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1665. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1667, Mr. Terzich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1667, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions?"
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"No Floor Amendments, but there is a pension impact note requested so the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Reading appears House Bill 1671. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1671, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1671. Out of the record. I'm sorry, 1677. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1680. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1680, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1681. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1681, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1682. Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1682, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Chicago World's Fair 1992 Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 1683. Mr. lerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1683, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Asbestos Abatement Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1685. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1685, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1687. Mr. Van Duyne, 1687? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1687, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois Financial Assistance Program for capital development projects within Illinois port districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1694. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1699. Ms. Younge? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1699, a Bill for an Act to create the Urban Civilian Youth Service to address the problems of unemployment among youths in urban areas. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1714. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1714, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, White."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. White, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to have leave to table Amendment #1."
"Gentleman requests... to withdraw... table Amendment #1 to House Bill 1714. It's withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative White."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. White, on Amendment #2."
"I'd like to offer Amendment #2. Amendment 2 simply removes a word 'food' and 'food stuffs' and replaces it with 'perishable foods'. And this language was asked for by the Members of the Committee, and I assured them that I would do just that. And so now I'd like to offer Amendment 2 to House Bill 1714."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. White, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1714. Is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Cowlishaw."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative White, the Amendment is precisely what was requested by the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee, and I urge its adoption. Thank you." 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, do you have a definition... Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Indicates he'll yield for questions."
"What the Bill does apparently is to allow contracting for food and beverages without competitive bidding. Is that correct? And you're changing food and beverage to perishable foods and beverages."
"That is correct."
"What is the reason for the Amendment?"
"First of all, the Chicago Board of Education seemed to think that they could save 1.5 million dollars by aborting the bidding process or going around the bidding process especially on perishable foods. It takes about six months for them to initiate the bidding process. And by the time the food is delivered to the school, the prices have greatly reduced. So they think they could save a great deal of money, especially..."
"So this is going to save some money."
"Pardon me?"
"This is going to save some money, right?"
"1.5 million seems like a lot of money."
"Sounds like a fine Amendment."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion? None. Mr. White, to close."
"Just ask for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1714."
"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1717. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1717, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Agricultural Areas Conservation and Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1722. Out of the record. Yes, Mr. Keane, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask leave to place House Bill 1133 in Interim Study."
"Gentleman asks leave of the House to place House Bill 1133 on Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted, and the Bill will be placed in the Interim Study Calendar. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, on page 24 of the Calendar, appears House Bill 1730. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill"
"House Bill 1730, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to contribution among joint tortfeasors. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1740, Ms. Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1740, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act creating the Department of Children and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1741. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1743. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1746. Mr. Turner? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1746, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1752, Mr. Leverenz. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1756. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1756, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Radiation Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1763. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1763, a Bill for an Act concerning the operation of vending facilities at highway rest stops. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Vinson."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Floor Amendment #1." 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly... pardon me. Floor Amendment #1 to this Bill is an equal opportunity provision."
"Excuse me."
"What it does..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Levin, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Can we take the Bill out of the record for a few minutes? Leadership doesn't have the Amendment, and I haven't seen it either."
"Alright. Leave to take the Bill out of the record and return to the Bill at the appropriate time. Leave."
"Deaf people aren't going to like that."
"On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1765. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1765, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Credit Card Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative O'Connell."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell, on Amendment #1."
"Amendment #1 brings back the class of crime from a Class IV which was in the original Bill back to Class A misdemeanor, which is the current law under the Credit Card Act. And it also reduces the amount... the amount of fine which the original Bill had at 100,000 dollars to 50,000 dollars and also reduces the penalty from 300 in the original Bill down to 150 dollars.. the amount... not the penalty rather, but the amount of theft from 150... rather from 300 down to 150." 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House bill 1765. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. We will return to House Bill 1752 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1752, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1767. Mr. McAuliffe? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1767, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to firearms training for peace officers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative McAuliffe."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McAuliffe, on Amendment #1."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Floor Amendment #1 is a technical Amendment that the Democratic Leadership asked me to introduce. I'm complying with their wishes."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McAuliffe, moves 79 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1767. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1769. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1769, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Aeronautics Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Vinson."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 1769 merely exempts home rule units from the operation of the proposed statute. The statute says that no person shall operate a helicopter for raising, lowering or, otherwise, moving any external objects unless the helicopter has two operating engines. I believe that in many cases home rule units are better able to deal with that problem in a home rule unit area and would move for adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1769. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."
"Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"
"Indicates he will."
"Representative Vinson, how do you feel that Amendment is 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 going to improve my Bill?"
"Well, Representative, I know that with your record on home rule in Winnebago, that you might have problems with the problem with the idea of respecting the rights of home rule units of government. I believe that home rule units of government, where most of this kind of activity probably occurs, ought to be able to deal with the problem because just the general principle of protecting home rule units of government."
"Representative Vinson, in your vivid imagination, what home rule city did you like to see steel beams cascading from the sky on the... hapless citizens? What city can you imagine did you like steel beams flying around in the air because the helicopter wasn't able to maintain its momentum and keep the steel beams from falling through the sky? What city do you imagine you'd like to see those steel beams falling from the sky? In what city?"
"None."
"Do you have a home rule city in your district?"
"No. None."
"Well, I just..."
"The answer to your first question though is none, Sir."
"You don't imagine... You wouldn't want to go on record as imaging steel beams cascading from the sky in any city, right? You don't want to be on the record on that, do you?"
"Oh, I can... I don't... I have no problem in going on record in imagining steel beams cascading from the sky. I don't have a problem with imagining steel beams cascading from the sky. Is your imagination so limited that you can't imagine steel beams cascading from the sky, Sir?"
"I don't want to be a party to your sinful imagination."
"You don't want to be a party to..." 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Your sinful imagination."
"Your imagination cannot conceive of steel beams cascading from the sky?"
"My imagination can see you flying... riding the steel beam from the sky somewhere on a helicopter."
"You know..."
"This is a frivolous Amendment."
"You know, Sir, yielding to the temptations of demagoguery is below you."
"He's gutting my Bill. Here is a chance for the Members of the Democratic side to show a guy that's been trying to scuttle your Bills for years, send him down in booming defeat."
"What home rule unit do you have in your district? Identify one."
"One steel beam, or one helicopter or one home rule city?"
"What home rule unit is in your district, Sir?"
"Speak more concisely. Speak in phenominal English."
"Where's your home rule unit?"
"Where a home rule unit? There's a hundred of them in Illinois."
"What?"
"There are only a hundred home rule units in Illinois. One home rule county."
"What's in your district? Where's one in your district?"
"In my district?"
"Yeah."
"I had one."
"Yeah, but you don't anymore, do you?"
"Till the Republicans... I had one till the majority of the Republicans voted to abolish home rule in Rockford. It wasn't the Democrats." 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Even on a steel beam falling from the sky, as quickly as that would occur, such demagoguery is beneath you."
"Mr. Speaker, this is... this is frivolous on the part of the Majority Leader. He try... Min... I'm sorry, Minority Leader."
"Mr. Giorgi, we are not conceding yet. Minority Leader. Proceed, Mr. Giorgi, on the Amendment."
"And he's been.."
"Mr. Speaker, I would appoint... I would be glad to appoint Mr. Giorgi as an Assistant Minority Leader."
"I'm sorry I can't say the same for you, Sam."
"Alright."
"Mr. Speaker..."
"To the Amendment, Mr. Giorgi."
"According to the Department of Transportation, the advantage of a two engine helecopter is that if one engine fails, the other engine will keep the helecopter in flight. However, the helecopter will still have to drop its load, but the single engine will at least keep the helecopter afloat. I think it's a very serious Amendment. I think that Sam Vinson has made merry here today, but I think we ought to decimate his attempt to defrock my Bill."
"No further discussion, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, to close."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, the Gentleman who spoke about steel beams cascading from the sky and about being against my Amendment on that basis has now admitted and made an admission against interest that those steel beams would still cascade from the sky even... even if his Bill were unamended. The purpose of my Amendment is simple. If we believe in local government, then we ought to believe that home rule can deal with the subject of regulating how many engines helecopters should 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 have when they carry steel beams. And for that reason, I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."
"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'nos' have it, and the Amendment fails. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1770. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Cullerton, do you wish to proceed. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1770, a Bill for an Act in relation to the filling of judicial vacancies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1774. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1778. Mr. Countryman? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1780. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1780, a Bill for an Act in relation to the lending of Road Fund money to units of local governments. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1787. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1787, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of 84 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1800. Mr. Bowman? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1801, Ms. Didrickson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1801, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1814. Mr. Hastert? Out of the record. 1815. Mr. Clerk, read the House... read House Bill 1815."
"House Bill 1815, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1828. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1832. 1832. 1832. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1833. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1833, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed." 85 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1841. Out of the record. Moving back on the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1832. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1832, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to bonds of contractors entering into contracts for public construction. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Tate."
"Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Tate."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 1 simply amends House Bill 1832 on page two by deleting lines 12 through 16 and inserting in lieu of 'reasonable approval or disapproval including suspension by the state or political division thereof concerned'. It was an agreed Amendment."
"Gentleman from Macon moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1832. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1845. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1845, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 86 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1847. Out of the record. 1848, out of the record. 1849, out of the record. 1850, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1855. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1855, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ms. Breslin. Representative Breslin, would you come to the podium? On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1857. Out of the record. Representative Daniels, did you want to proceed with 1857, or did you want to hold that out of the record? Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1857, a Bill for an Act in relation to water commissioners and repealing an Act herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1858. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 18..."
"Representative Breslin in the Chair."
"House Bill 1858, a Bill for an Act to amend 87 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1859, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1859..."
"Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"
"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm the principle Sponsor of House Bill 1859, and I would like to put that Bill in Interim Study."
"The Gentleman has asked to put this Bill on the Order of Interim Study, and the Bill will be recommitted to the Committee from which it was originally assigned on the Order of Interim Study. Representative Cullerton."
"Madam Speaker, House Bill 63, can we put that on Interim Study, too?"
"Are you the principle Sponsor?"
"No, Representative Vinson is."
"I'm sorry. The principle Sponsor must make such a request."
"I think that anyone can make a request to put a Bill on Interim Study."
"No, I'm sorry."
"He's sleeping at the switch. I don't hear of any objections."
"Fortunately, the Speaker will be fair, regardless. We are now on the Order of House Bill 1865, Representative Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1865, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 88 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Dunn."
"Representative Dunn."
"This is a technical Amendment. I urge the adoption of Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1865. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1865 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1869, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1868, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1869, Representative McGann and Keane. Out of the record. On page 26 in your Calendar appears House Bill 1871. Out of the record. House Bill 1884, Representative Vinson. Out of the record. House Bill 1885, Representative Vinson - Greiman. Vinson - Greiman. Out of the record. House Bill 1986, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1986, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?" 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Homer."
"Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Leave to withdraw Amendment #3."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Homer."
"Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Amendment #4 would amend House Bill 1886 as follows. House Bill 1886 is a Bill which, in part, allows by a front door referendum municipalities to opt to create a special industrial development fund which would permit them, if approved by a majority of the voters, to levy a tax not exceeding .10 cents per hundred dollars valuation for the purpose of creating a fund to purchase land and develop for industrial purposes. Amendment #4 in that regard simply adds townships to those units of government which may participate in this program, but again, and I emphasize, this would be only if approved with a front door referendum by a majority of the voters. Would move for the adoption of Amendment #4."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 1886. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"He yield?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative Homer, this Amendment #4 then gives the authority to townships to issue revenue bonds for 90 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 certain industrial projects?"
"That is correct, if approved by a front door referendum."
"So if you're opposed to the... if one is opposed to the whole concept of townships, if they believe townships shouldn't even be in existence, then they would be opposed to the Amendment."
"Well, I'll leave that to each individual's decision in that regard. But it does nothing more than incorporate the townships into the Bill which would empower municipalities to take advantage of these provisions."
"So, this would equate... this would give the same powers to townships that municipalities would have under the Bill"
"Well, with regard to this specific legislation, I guess that's correct"
"Okay, thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."
"Is there any provision in this Amendment that gives townships the permission to issue industrial revenue bonds even when the user of that industrial revenue bond is domicile in a municipality capable of issuing industrial revenue bonds?"
"Can you repeat that question, Representative?"
"In other words, does this... would this Amendment have the effect of preempting a municipality who is willing and capable of issuing an industrial revenue bond?"
"There's no preemption feature here. This would be... This is to create... Let me just explain. If passed by a majority of the voters with a referendum, a township under this Amendment could create a special fund whereby... whereby bonds could be issued for the purpose of purchasing, by the township, lands which could then be 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 developed for industrial purposes. But there's no preemption. Under the Bill, municipalities, if this Bill passed, could do the same thing within their own municipal boundaries."
"Well, I... Does this give the authority to issue industrial revenue bonds for a township?"
"For this limited purpose."
"Well, there's no fund involved in industrial revenue bonds."
"Right."
"Industrial revenue bonds are payable strictly from the revenues of the user which is a private industry."
"Correct."
"I guess I don't see how a township could get into..."
"Alright. The normal... I think maybe it's the matter of semantics, as I understand it. The revenue bonds... This Bill would not or this Amendment would not empower townships to issue industrial revenue bonds, IRBs, which, of course, as you explained, is a situation where the local government merely lends its name to the instrument but does not incur any liability or sell any bonds."
"Right."
"The developer sells the bonds and receives the benefit of the tax-free status of the IRBs. This Bill does not extend to townships any... any authority to do that. This allows townships, if approved by the voters, to create a special fund for industrial development purposes where the township itself would issue and sell the bonds. The township would be liable to repay those bonds, and the township could purchase land..."
"This has no bearing whatsoever on a township being able to issue industrial revenue bonds."
"No. No, it does not. It would... It does not have... It 92 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 does not empower townships to do that at all."
"Okay."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan."
"Yeah, Representative Homer, would you yield for a question?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Yeah, Representative Homer, the leadership of the Town of Liverpool, what's their position on this legislation?"
"Well, ever since you appeared in the district to hold those hearings, Representative Ronan, the mayor there speaks directly to you and then I have to get that information from you. So I haven't heard from him on this."
"There being no further discussion, Representative Homer, to close."
"Okay. I just simply would ask for the adoption of Amendment #4."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 1886 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Homer."
"Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #5 is a technical Amendment which is necessary in order to correct some language that was in Amendment #4. Amendment #4 initially as drafted was to substitute the words 'townships' where the original Bill had 'municipalities'. But in a portion of the Bill a neglect to do that occurred. So Amendment #5 would simply clean up that language to make it the... the Amendment..." 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #5 to House Bill 1886. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #5 to House Bill 1886 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Homer."
"Representative Homer."
"Ask leave to withdraw Amendment #6."
"Amendment #6 is withdrawn. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Homer."
"Representative Homer."
"The Amendment #7 deals with another Section which allows municipalities and counties to demolish abandoned and dangerous structures. And the current law is that if the county or the municipality is required to do that and to condemn property and to demolish it, that if that fee cannot be recovered from the owner of the property, then that local government gets a lien against the property. But apparently some courts have been narrowly construing what the costs of demolition are for the purpose of determining that lien and have limited that to just the actual raising costs themselves. This Amendment would redefine costs of demolition to include also the appraisals, investigative reports and attorneys' fees that are incurred in connection with the demolition or repair. The original Bill already has that redefinition for municipalities which condemn. This would simply amend the 94 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Counties Act with respect to the county's authority to condemn and recover costs. I would ask for the adoption of the Amendment."
Speaker Breslin: "The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #7 to House Bill 1886. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"I don't think we've received this Amendment, Tom. Could you go over it in a little more detail?"
"Okay."
"Give me some background on it?"
"Okay. Alright. Thank you. Amendment #2 which is on the Bill, Representative McCracken, actually is identical to Amendment #7. The only difference being that Amendment 7 amends the Counties Act; whereas, Amendment #2 amends the Municipal Code. But under current law, if a local... if a... let's take the case of a municipality. If the municipal officials find in their village or city an unsafe and dangerous structure, they have authority to order the owner to demolish it. And if, in fact, the owner refuses, the law allows the municipality to go ahead and undertake that proceeding itself and then says that the municipality shall have a lien for the costs of demolition incured. But some courts have said, well, that's only going to be the actual costs of going out and demolishing the structure, the amount that was paid to the contractor that went out and raised the structure. What this Amendment would do is say, no, that the cost of the demolition is more than that. It also includes the costs of appraisals, the investigative reports and the attorneys' fees that the municipality had to incur before they could go out and raise the building. And so it's to give the municipality a lien for all of its actual costs expended for these proceedings. That was Amendment #2 which is... which was 95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 adopted in Committee. Amendment 7 says that we'll also make that same definitional revision in the Counties Act because county boards have the same authority out in the unincorporated areas that municipalities have. So we're making it consistent."
"Okay. Thank you."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #7 to House Bill 1986 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1900. Out of the record. House Bill 1901, Representative Matijevich. Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1901, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1902, Representative Vinson - Madigan. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1902, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois..."
"Excuse me. Out of the record. House Bill 1903, Representative Zwick. Representative Zwick. Out of the record. House Bill 1912, Representative Johnson. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1912, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Funeral and Burial Fund Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 96 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Third Reading. House Bill 1914, Representative Steczo. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1914, a Bill for an Act to enlarge the corporate limits of the metropolitan sanitary district of greater Chicago. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Representative Steczo? Representative Steczo or Didrickson. Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1915, Representative Woodyard. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1915, a Bill for an Act in relationship to lost and abandoned boats. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1916 Representative Davis. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1916, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1917, Representative Davis. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1917, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1918, Representative Davis. Out of the record. House Bill 1919, Representative Ryder. Clerk, read the Bill." 97 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"House Bill 1919, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have been asked to announce that gridiron tickets are on sale with the Illinois Correspondents' Association. If you wish to go to the gridiron dinner on Wednesday evening of next week, you should purchase your tickets as soon as possible. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will now go back to Bills that we have passed over previously that Sponsors have requested that they are ready to go on at this moment. They are Bills on Second Reading. I will give you the number of the Bill, the page that it's located and the Sponsor. The first Bill is House Bill 1192 on page 17 on your Calendar. That's House Bill 1192, Representative Kirkland. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1192, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. The next one is House Bill 1343. It's on page 19 on your Calendar. House Bill 1343, Representative O'Connell. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1343, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the practice of pharamacy. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, O'Connell, amends House Bill 1343..."
"Representative O'Connell." 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #1 is at the request of the Department of R & E and changes the original Bill in that instead of the pharmacy coordinator reporting to the Board of Pharmacy, he will continue to report to the Director of Pharmacy, provides that monies that are deposited in the Illinois State Pharmacy Disciplinary Fund shall be invested in order to earn interest. It removes the number nine investigators down to seven investigators at the request of the Department as a budget measure. And it also provides that the Governor... The original Bill provides that the Governor shall appoint this Disciplinary Board and that those members who currently are on the Board shall continue to serve on the Board until the expiration of their term. The Amendment is at the request of the Department of R & E."
"Gentleman has moved for the passage... the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1343. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1343 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The next Bill will be House Bill 1453 on page 20 on your Calendar. House Bill 1453, Representative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1453, a Bill for an Act to amend the Local Government Tax Collection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. The next Bill is House Bill 99 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 1558 on page 22 on your Calendar. House Bill 1558, Representative Vitek. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1558, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to authorize parimutuel wagering at the state fair and at county fairs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Vitek - et al, amends..."
"Representative Vitek."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 was requested by Representative Ewing, which would specifically make an effective date for quarter horse racing. And this Amendment would apply to any quarter horse racing that's delegated in the State of Illinois".
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1558. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1558 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Vitek, amends House Bill..."
"Representative Vitek."
"Amendment #2, again at the request of Representative Woodyard and Ewing and Vitek, that we have an individual... independent certified public accountant on the payroll to cover the County and Purse Fair (sic - County Fair Purse) and the Administration Fund and Race Track Improvement Fund. I ask for approval of Amendment #2."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1558. And on that question, the 100 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"He will yield for a question."
"A question, John. I noticed this is talking about different funds. Now is this establishing new funds or is it changing the funds that the monies are going to be going into? Would you explain it to us?"
"It actually covers the new County Fair Purse and Administration Fund and the Race Track Fund... Improvement Fund. This will be a new setup for the county fairs only where they have race tracks and including, like, if we have the track brought in. We don't have no betting here at the state fairgrounds. We would have, if this Bill passes, you would be able to bring in a totalizer board and have an independent auditor that will audit these daily receipts when the races are held."
"So basically what... you know, this new fund that you're setting up, where would these funds be going? Would they be used for one specific purpose then?"
"Yes, as I explained here, it would be used for the improvement of the county fair grandstands, the race track that about ten county fairs have racing at, and it would go into a specific, special fund."
"So, in other words, none of these funds that would be derived from these county fairs on the parimutuel betting would be going to the state whatsoever then, per se, I mean, as far as state use?"
"That's right. It would be used there and any excess that would be left over would go back into the General Fund."
"You know, that was the one thing I was getting at. I wasn't quite sure. Now you say the excess would go over. Is this the excess of each year?" 101 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Right. Right."
"Those funds would... from this, would they be appropriated? I mean, not the General Revenue funds. I'm talking about the county fair funds. Would they be appropriated by us to what funds would be expended? The reason I ask the question... the reason I asked the question, John, is because let's say, you know, at the end of the year we have two million dollars in the Fund. You know, with these county fairs figuring, you know, hey, we've got a windfall here. We could spend all two million dollars where maybe there really is only a need to spend one million. And this would end up being a million dollars we might be able to use for education if the funds were really not needed, per se."
"Well, hopefully that we do make that much money and we anticipate making more money, because we feel that having this in a special fund we'll just about break even after we get through right now with setting up this new system. And after that, why then once it's going, why we can send most of the money that's left over back into the General Fund."
"Thank you very much. No further questions."
"The Gentleman has moved... The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 1559 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Vitek - Woodyard - Ewing."
"Representative Vitek."
"Again, modeling this Bill on the racing they have in Ohio, we've come up with a new testing of horses, and this may surprise a lot of people, here, that will eliminate a lot of veterinarians, and the old racing form shall provide for the testing of horses 30 minutes prior to the races to 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 determine whether or not the horse has been administered drugs in violation of the Act. Now, we've checked this out with the Ohio group. We find out that within 30 minutes of the race, they can take the urine test and have a report before the horse is even racing, and if they find any indication of drugs or anything in the horse, that horse is pulled out of that race and the owner is fined at least $500. So with this new procedure, we can get the test without having the veterinarians wait two-three days. And this, I think, is a good improvement in our Racing Act. I ask for approval of Amendment #3."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1558. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to House Bill 1558 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The next Bill is House Bill 1466. It appears on page 20 on your Calendar. House Bill 1466. Representative Countryman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1466, a Bill for an Act to amend the Regency Universities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Amendment #1, Weaver, amends House Bill 1466 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Weaver."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 1 simply extends the rights of votership the student board members of the Board of Regents to... extends 103 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 that same right to the student members of the Board of Governors. It would provide for a collective vote for all of the student members except on personnel collective bargaining, tenure matters, or tie votes. And I would ask for your favorable response on this Motion."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1466. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1466 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to change the Order of Business and go to House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate Calendar which appear beginning on page 36 on your Calendar. House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate. House Bill 31, Representative McNamara. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 31, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative McNamara."
"Thank you, Mr. (sic - Madam) Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Bill is a Bill that merely changes the law in a certain area to allow the municipalities to collect parking fees. It also allows for the ten or more parking tickets to be accrued before that collection process takes place. The case came up from the position that the Judges have where they are no longer allowed to issue warrants for a non-jailable offense, and this puts them into a bind because they would be liable for a civil suit. It's supported by the Municipal League. The State's Attorney 104 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 has put the Amendment on, which becomes the Bill, and has been agreed by the State's Attorney's Office and the Municipal League."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 31. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Thank you. Representative McNamara, has this been amended since it was considered last?"
"It has not been amended since it was considered last."
"Okay."
"The Amendment I am speaking of is the Amendment that was negotiated with the Secretary of State's Office in Committee."
"This would allow the City of Chicago, in effect, to beef its... beef up its enforcement on parking violations?"
"I do not represent the City of Chicago. This allows the State of Illinois - all of the municipalities within the State of Illinois - to enforce their parking ticket regulations and for a way of collecting their parking tickets."
"Alright. Do you have any idea how much it's worth to the City of Chicago - the enhanced enforcement?"
"I have no idea. I did not ask the City of Chicago as to how much it would be worth to them."
"Okay. Now, this allows for suspension without necessarily any conviction of the offense, merely the existence of ten or more tickets plus two notices?"
"The existence of ten or more tickets, according to the law, seems to be sufficient proof that the person has been... has convicted themselves by choosing to not look at the ten tickets."
"Okay. Is there any provision in the Bill for service 105 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 of process prior to the suspension of the driver's license?"
"An official notice has to be issued."
"What does that consist of?"
"It's a letter from the clerk."
"That official notice is sent to the Secretary of State, though. I'm talking about notice to the violator. Is there a pre-suspension notice sent to the violator?"
"The clerk sends a notice to the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of State gets a... hold on. The clerk sends the notice to the Secretary of State, and to the violator."
"And to the violator?"
"That's correct."
"So, assuming the mail's not significantly different, each of them receives the notice at about the same time, and the Secretary, is he required to suspend immediately the driving privileges?"
"It is not simultaneously. It's sent to the violator first, then to the Secretary of State. It is important to note that prior to that, the violator would have received ten mailed notices, one for each ticket that was received."
"Okay. Directing your attention to page two of the Bill as amended, what does that Paragraph I refer to, that two or more warrants are outstanding? Is that an alternative basis for suspension, or is that part of the same requirement for suspension?"
"It's an alternative."
"Now, the warrants, can they be issued prior to conviction?"
"Yes."
"They can be issued for failure to appear."
"That's correct." 106 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Okay. Now, is there any provision for which address the violation notices or the warrants are addressed to?"
"The Secretary of State's notice. Yeah. The address that the Secretary of State's notice has given them."
"Alright. And that's taken from the license plate of the offending vehicle."
"It's for... It is from the license plate..."
"... of the offending vehicle."
"That's correct."
"And it goes without saying that the offender may not be the person who was in title to that vehicle. It could be a relative. It could be someone who would be using the car on a regular basis, but not necessarily the titled party. Is that correct?"
"That is correct. However, there are ten notifications prior to it, and you would think that a person that would have ten separate notifications, it's really a freebee for the ten points, could possibly at least respond to that particular case at any given time and has chosen not to do so. This is no different than the existing law in that regard. What it does do is that it changes the implementation of that law."
"Okay. To the Bill."
"Proceed."
"I know that this is Representative McNamara's freshman... well, no. You were appointed last term, so we... You've already passed your first Bill. But this Bill - and I want the Republican Members to realize it - this is a very important Bill, especially to the City of Chicago. I've heard estimates that this is worth 30 million dollars in revenue because of its enhanced enforcement of parking violations, parking violations that are a very important source of income to the city. Now, I was under the 107 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 impression that we were going to work on this Bill for the purpose of seeking Amendments to it, but let me tell you what can happen under this Bill, and for those on the other side of the aisle who thought Representative Dunn's Bill was a good idea to avoid improper forfeitures, I think there are some compelling arguments along those same lines. The person who is the subject of this suspension is the titleholder to the car, not necessarily the person who has committed any or all of these offenses. It could be your wife who has been the parking violator. It could be your child who has been the parking violator. But the titleholder is the person who's going to be suspended. The titleholder is going to be suspended without any hearing prior thereto. The titleholder is going to be suspended without any hearing, necessarily, on the parking tickets. The titleholder is going to be suspended on the issuance of warrants, and the issuance of warrants can be done what we call 'ex-party'. As a matter of fact, that's commonly how they're done. They are done for a failure to appear - the titleholder's failure to appear, the titleholder who may or may not be the guilty party. This is the City of Chicago Bill. It should be on the table for June 30, at the time when we're negotiating the important issues in the General Assembly. It's worth 30 million dollars to them each year, and it is something that we should not be in favor of. It affords no due process. It ought to be a bargaining chip later in the year, and excuse my candor if I'm being a little too blunt about how things are conducted here. Let's keep it on the table for later use, and I encourage a 'no' vote."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is on the Order of Short Debate. There are four lights flashing. We have had, remember, one person already speak in opposition. We 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 therefore, unless this Bill is taken off the Order of Short Debate, these Members will only be allowed to ask questions. Representative Barnes, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. The thing that disturbs me about this particular Bill, say you have a lot of children in your family, and they're the ones that are running about in the car..."
"Representative Barnes, the Bill has not been taken off the Order of Short Debate."
"But we all put our hands up, Madam Chairman."
"Okay. You... The Lady has made a Motion to take this Bill off the Order of Short Debate, and she has been joined by seven people. This Bill is therefore on the Order of Regular Debate. Proceed, Representative Barnes."
"Thank you. What really disturbs me about this Bill, if you have a lot of children in your family, and they're out using the family car, and they're getting these tickets, and even though you would be mailed the violation, when our children were small, it used to kind of be a joke as they grew older, because they told my husband Barney, he was the fifth one to see the Playboy magazine. All four sons had it first, and they very carefully put it back in the brown wrapper, and he never was aware of it at the time. I think kids are very shrewd. They're going to see these notices. If they're the ones that had the parking violations, they're going to take them, and the poor father, one of these days, is going to have his license suspended, and I really think this is a very poor Bill."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."
"We could call a driver's license a privilege or a right. I guess the terminology varies, but the fact of the 109 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 matter is, it's a necessity of life. And before you suspend it or take it away, there ought to be something either directly connected with the criminal character of the driver, or in his ability to be a safe driver or to pose a threat to others on the road, or before you suspend that right. Now, how in the... on earth can we sit here, as a Body of 118 Members and say that because somebody doesn't pay ten parking tickets, that that's the basis for taking away their ability to feed their family and to exist as a member of society. And we go and consider Bills with respect to drunk driving and with respect to serious criminal offenses, and then we have something in here that basically equates drunk driving or serious felony offenses with not putting a nickel in a parking meter. Now, I agree that there ought to be some mechanism - and I think there is - for patrolling and controlling that, but to suspend a license plate or an ability to drive based on failure to pay a parking ticket is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the Members of the chamber would agree and vote 'no' on this Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Maybe I can shed a little light on the reason for this Bill. There was a decision issued by a court that basically said that Judges can be held personally responsible if they issue a warrant and it was improperly issued. So as a result, the current law cannot be implemented, because Judges are not signing warrants. So that's why there's a need for this Bill. Now, let me explain what happens. If you get a ticket on your car, you have a notice that you got a ticket. Now, maybe that ticket might blow off. Maybe your daughter or your son is 110 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 driving the car, and they might throw it away, so you get a notice sent to you. A postcard comes to the address of the... of the... to where the car is registered. That's the second notice that you get. That has to happen ten times, so there is, in effect, 20 notices. Then you get another letter from the clerk - that's the 21st notice - where you have to come to court to pay your tickets or pay them through the mail. You haven't done it. Now, what are these offenses? These are parking offenses, but in some cases, there are parking offenses like parking in front of a fire hydrant or parking in an intersection so that people can't see cars coming from the other direction, so they can be very serious. So, what this Bill says is that if you haven't done... if you haven't paid any of those tickets, and you receive 21 notices, your license can be suspended. As soon as you pay, the license is automatically granted. Now, I am just fascinated, to tell you the truth, by the... by the concerns about due process that the Representative from DuPage County is concerned with. As Chairman of the Criminal Law Committee, we're seen Bills that eliminate 200 years of common law. We see Bills put in that make it easier to execute people, even when they're mentally unfit, and we don't care about due process. But when we get to parking tickets, parking tickets for when people go into the city and don't want to pay to park so they leave their car in the middle of an intersection, and then we get our.. we get real concerned about due process. It's true that it involves money for the City of Chicago, but the Bill applies to the whole state. So any city that's having a problem enforcing its parking ticket laws can utilize this procedure. I feel it does clearly, with 21 notices, provide due process, and I think it's... it's really outrageous to think that you can get so upset about due 111 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 process when it's clear that someone should be responsible for paying the fines."
"The Gentleman from Jersey, Representative Ryder."
"Thank you, and thank Representative Cullerton for clearing up some of those problems, but I would like to explain to him and some of the other people that in the district that I represent, we have some people that are underprivileged. And I say 'underprivileged', because they've never had the opportunity to visit the fair City of Chicago. However, apparently their automobiles make regular trips up there without drivers, because on a regular basis, the folks in my district get notices from the fine City of Chicago that they've violated parking laws on dates when they have been in the district minding their own business and not anywhere near the City of Chicago. Now, these things happen on a regular basis, and some of those fine people who are underprivileged and haven't seen the wonderful sights and sounds of the good City of Chicago, continue to get those notices. So, when we talk about due process, perhaps what we're talking about is the kind of bureaucracy problems that ticket automobiles that don't go to Cook County and don't go to the City of Chicago, and yet, they get parking tickets for that very reason. For those kinds of problems, I would hate to think that our people would then receive other notices, oftentimes... certainly on several occasions, they have received those. Normally, when they get one, they get several. And I would hate to think that they would then lose the privilege of driving, so that they would forego the privilege at some future time of being able to go to the City of Chicago and fairly and justly receiving one of those parking tickets. So for that reason, I believe that 112 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 this Bill is ill-conceived, and I would urge a 'no' vote."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative DeLeo."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I support House Bill 31, and I'd like to make it clear to the Members of this House, I've worked at the Chicago Traffic Center for almost ten years. I have an administration job there, and yes, we get thousands and thousands of letters from downstate people saying that I've never been to the City of Chicago. I have a pickup truck, not a '71 Chevy or an '85 Cadillac. The Chicago Police Department writes parking tickets. It's turned into the Circuit Court of Cook County, the Clerk's Office, and the Clerk's Office gets their registration from the Secretary of State. The Secretary of State has an office inside the traffic center. Now, I just had a problem recently with a Member of the House on this side of the aisle that was getting parking tickets that didn't belong to him. So I checked the Chicago computer, and it wasn't Representative Leverenz' plate. It was somebody else's license plate. And but... That's how they receive those notices. It comes from the Secretary of State's Office, and if there's a registration backlog or an update when plates are transferred to a new owner or a plate isn't renewed, and they came into the City and got those tickets, they go back to the registered owner. I'd be glad to ask... answer any questions."
"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Countryman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There are a couple of things I would like to point out, but I thank Representative DeLeo for telling us of his involvement so we know where to go when we have these problems. There are civil actions which have been held by the courts in this state to allow civil recoveries 113 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 against rental car companies for these actions for those people who rent the car, in essence, against the company, and the company is held vicariously libel. I think this Bill needs some work. It isn't that we're against the concept, I don't think, but I think those of us who come from particularly downstate and in my area where you have a lot of these problems, want to see a procedure that gives some due process to the holder of a driver's license before his license can be suspended. Suspension of a driver's license is a serious business. Once it's been suspended, your insurance company becomes aware of it, and you'll be rated or you'll have to go into the risk pool. And that's serious business. And if, in fact, you have not been the recipient of those tickets, then you are innocent and you ought to be given an opportunity to do that. I certainly think there are other remedies other than the way this Bill is drafted, and I certainly would ask for a 'no' vote on this Bill until such time as those remedies can be worked out. And in response to some of the other comments that have been made, we do have a Bill in this year to give indemnity to the Judges, and maybe that'll rectify the problem with them issuing the warrants and take it back the way that it used to be. I'd ask for your 'no' vote. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move the previous question."
"Representative Van Duyne moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In... Representative Vinson, you object to moving the previous question? Representative Van Duyne, can you 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 withhold. There are only... There are only two people left to speak. Will you tolerate their speech for a few more moments?"
"If it was only Vinson, I'd object."
"There is a Democratic Member who would like to speak, too, Representative Van Duyne. The Gentleman kindly withholds his Motion... withdraws his Motion. The next person to speak is the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw. Representative Shaw? Representative Shaw withholds. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I was pleased to hear Representative DeLeo from the other side rise to explain the problems with this Bill. The problem is very simple. Very frequently, people who have never been in the City of Chicago are accused of having parked the car improperly in the City of Chicago. Just the other night, I had dinner with a group from Clinton, and the mother of one of those people, an 84 year old woman who had not driven her car outside the City of Clinton for several years, was notified of a parking ticket on her car in the City of Chicago. That happens with some frequency. Whether those are mistakes in the Secretary of State's Office or whether those are mistakes in the operations of the Clerk's Office in Chicago or the County Clerk or the Circuit Clerk or whomever, doesn't much matter to those people. What matters is the simple miscarriage of justice when we are proposing the concept that their license - their driver's license - can be pulled for something they've never been involved in. This is a very bad idea on the merits. It's the kind of thing that harrasses the little person in our districts. It's the kind of thing where, in order to facilitate big government, we're willing 115 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 to harrass the little person, and that's wrong, and I would urge a 'no' vote on this very bad Bill."
"There being no further discussion, Representative McNamara is allowed to close."
"Thank you. I'd like to address a couple of the things that... in my closing remarks, that the law presently requires the license to be taken away after ten violations. We must, in this society, retain the enforcement rights of the law. When we don't wish to enforce the laws that are on the books right now, we are saying that if somebody finds some way of circumventing that law, then they have the right to ignore the law. All we are really trying to do is enforce a law that's presently in the book. As far as notification, hearing is offered twenty times to that person. Actually twenty-one times before that person is required to have that license taken away. When we're talking about the little people, most little people pay their parking fines. What the problem is, is the rich. The people that are out there to just circumvent that law, they're the ones that are getting away with it because the law only pertains to in excess of ten times. I would urge an 'aye' vote on this particular measure."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 31 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish. The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich, to explain his vote."
"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, I was impressed a few years ago in the Chicago Police Department came up with this boot. If you parked ten times and didn't pay your... misparked ten times and didn't pay your ticket, they made it real simple for you. They just put the boot on the car, and you walked to the police station and 116 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 settled up. I think that's the fair way to do this, and that's to catch the guys who are really causing the problem."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 52 voting 'aye', 57 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McNamara."
"Poll the absentees."
"The Gentleman has requested a Poll of the Absentees. Mr. Clerk, please poll the absentees."
"Poll of the Absentees. Currie."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative McNamara?"
"I'll ask for Postponed Consideration."
"The Gentleman has requested Postponed Consideration. This Bill will be placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. House Bill 48, Representative Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 48, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Income Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Dunn."
"Thank you, Mr. (sic - Madam) Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 48 is a Bill which passed this chamber last Session, essentially unanimously non-controversial legislation. It died in the Senate. We need to... we need to adopt this legislation to clean up a gap in the Enterprise Zone Act. There is an advantage in the enterprise zone for those who are individuals or corporations, but the incentives do not apply at the present time to partnerships in Subchapter S corporations. What this Bill would do is treat partnerships in Subchapter 117 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 S corporations the same as individuals in corporations for the purpose of investment credit incentives under the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act, and I ask for an 'aye' vote on this Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 48. And on that question, is there any discussion? On the Short Debate Calendar. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 48 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 121, Representative Friedrich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 121, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to state finance. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Friedrich."
"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, this increases the amount of petty cash that can be held in a petty cash fund from $500 to 1,000, and the maximum single expenditure limit from 25 to 50. A number of departments issue a... an unbelievable number that have petty cash funds issue an unbelievable number of vouchers, and this would cut those in half, and at the cost of $20 a voucher, we passed this Bill a year ago, and late in the Session, it got bogged down in the Senate, but at that time, the estimate was, it would save a minimum of $75,000. The internal auditors find no problem with it, and neither does the Auditor General, says it does not hurt the audit trail, and I think it's a good chance to save some money by updating this law." 118 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 121. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 121 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 241, Representative Ronan. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 241, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Infrastructure Revolving Loan Fund. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Ronan."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 241 creates the Infrastructure Revolving Loan Fund. I've amended it to remove some of the objections made by some of the Members concerning the allocation of those funds. I'll be glad to answer any questions. I move for an Affirmative Roll Call."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 241. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 241 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take... Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 301, Representative Madigan - Bowman. Madigan - Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill." 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"House Bill 301, a Bill for an Act creating the Alzheimer's Disease treatment assistance..."
"House Bill 302, Madigan - Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill..."
"Excuse me. Representative Bowman, for what reason do you rise?"
"These Bills through 307 are on a Special Order of Call for next week."
"Very good. Out of the record. House Bill 303, Representative Brunsvold... Richmond, rather? I see. All the way to 307. Therefore, we'll take House Bills 303 through 307 out of the record. The next Bill to be called is House Bill 313, Representative Mautino. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 313, a Bill for an Act in relationship to retailers, servicemen and suppliers maintaining a place of business in Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. This legislation addresses those border areas of Illinois with other states whereby unfair competition currently reigns. For example, an Illinois retailer if selling from, let's say, Rock Island-Moline into Iowa must pay the Iowa sales tax. That is not necessarily true with the Iowa firms that, say, in Bettendorf selling goods and commodities in Illinois. Basically, this puts on a... puts us in a competitive advantage with our sister states when, in fact, they do not have an establishment in here, but they may have a distribution point, yet there is no sales tax involved or coming to the State of Illinois. The two cases in question - Quincy, Illinois and Kewanee, Illinois, as it pertains to furniture stores, brought this to the attention of the 120 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 'IRMA', the Illinois Retail Merchants Association. This legislation resolves that situation. It should have been done many years ago, and I move for adoption of this legislation. I believe Representative Mays will close on this legislation."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 313. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."
"Yeah, I just want to say, Madam Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Representative Mays is not here right now. He's off the floor for a second. But it's a good Bill. This Bill was worked out in Revenue Committee. It needs to be passed. It addresses a very, very severe question in the Illinois General Assembly in our revenue situation in the State of Illinois and I commend the author of this Bill for bringing it forward."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 313 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 344, Representative Peterson. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 344, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Peterson."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 344 provides that an unincorporated area in Cook, DuPage or Lake Counties which is 60 acres or less and which is wholly bounded by a creek and one more municipality, may be annexed by one of the bordering municipalities by 121 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 ordinance. It prohibits a municipality from annexing territory in the Cook County Forest Preserve District without first obtaining the districts approval. In the... Last year in the Spring Session, this Bill passed this House 112 to 0. I would appreciate your affirmative vote on House Bill 344."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 344. And on that question, is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? We have to wait for the board to clear. Okay. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 344 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative DeJaegher, would you vote Breslin 'aye', please? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 375, Representative Hicks. Out of the record. House Bill 394, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 394, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, I wish to table number... Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman has... The Lady has asked that the Bill be returned to the Order of Second for the purposes of an Amendment. Hearing no objection, the Lady has leave, and the Bill is on Second Reading. Proceed, Representative Barnes."
"Thank you. And may I withdraw Amendment #2?"
"Has Amendment #2 already been accepted?"
"No."
"Okay." 122 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"But it's been filed."
"Okay. Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Mr. Clerk, are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Yes, I think there is Amendment #3, and that has been filed, and that's what I... "
"The Clerk advises me that there is a Motion to table an Amendment on file."
"That was Amendment #1."
"Did you also file a Motion to table an Amendment, Representative Barnes."
"I'm sure somebody else did."
"Oh, I see. Okay. Amendment #3."
"Floor Amendment #3, Barnes, amends House Bill 394 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Barnes."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Amendment #3 has been a compromise between JCAR, the Department of Public Aid, the Medical Society. The reason we've held this Bill so long is, there have been many meetings, and now this Amendment is agreed, and what it does, House Bill 394 provides a statutory basis for improving the system by which drugs approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration are added to and drugs are deleted from the Illinois Department of the Public Aid Manual. And the present system had resulted in too long of a delay in the availability of important new drug therapies, and this merely speeds up the process and makes the available drugs more available."
"The Lady... The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 394. And on that question, the Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 of the House. I would confirm Representative Barnes description of the Amendment which has been offered and accepted by all parties concerned, including the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Barnes?"
"I think maybe for the record, we should make sure that the Committee Amendment #1 is tabled."
"Committee Amendment #1 is not tabled, Representative Barnes."
"I would like to make the Motion, then, to table that Amendment."
"The Lady moves to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 394. Is there any discussion on that Motion? Representative Leverenz."
"Will the Lady explain why she wants to do that?"
"The question is, Representative Barnes, is why do you wish to table Amendment #1?"
"May I ask who's asking the question?"
"Representative Leverenz, your friend."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes, she will."
"Could you explain why you want to table Amendment #1?"
"The reason, Representative Leverenz, I explained in the beginning of the Bill, that House Bill 394 has been held on Third Reading because there were many meetings involving the Department of Public Aid and JCAR and the Medical 124 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Society, and they finally came to a meeting of the minds, and the Amendment #3 resolved all of the problems that had been involved in this particular Bill."
"I support the Lady's Motion."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 394 be tabled?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 to House Bill 394 is tabled. This Bill is now on the Order of Third Reading."
"May I have leave of the Body to have the Bill heard at this time?"
"Representative Barnes asks leave of the General... of the House to have immediate consideration of House Bill 394. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, there is unanimous consent for leave to hear this Bill immediately."
"House Bill 394, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Barnes."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Bill involves exactly what the Amendment #3 explained. It instructs the Department of Public Aid to implement a procedure for the timely addition of new drugs to and the appropriation deletion of drugs from the Department's drug manual, and I would ask for an 'aye' vote."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 394. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 394 pass?'. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none 125 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 421, Representative Van Duyne. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 421, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bingo License and Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Very simply put, this is supported by the bingo director, and it came out of Committee 11 to 0. It very simply eliminates the provision that one card is valid for all the five special games and the regular games, and I solicit your 'aye' vote."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 421. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 421 pass?' All those in favor say... vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 422, Representative Van Duyne. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 422, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bingo License and Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is almost the same thing. It has to do with women helping... the women's auxiliary helping the men's organization, and Amendment #1 addresses the opposite - lets the men help the women. It also was supported by the director. It came out of the Committee 11 to 0. I solicit your 'aye' vote."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 422. And on that question, is there any 126 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 422 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 98 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 430, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 430, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Chairman, before we proceed, we adopted Amendment #1 on House Bill 430, and the Clerk's Office informed me that it was in error as to form, so we went to the Reference Bureau and had another Amendment drafted. There's no change in substance, so I would now ask leave of the Body and the use of the Attendance Roll Call to reconsider the vote by which we adopted Amendment #1 and table Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman first asked leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for this procedure. Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave by... The Gentleman has leave, and the Gentleman has placed his Motion to reconsider the vote by which House Bill... Amendment #1 to House Bill 430 was adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Motion passes. We therefore are in a position to reconsider the vote by which Amendment #1 was adopted."
"I now ask leave to table Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 430. All those in favor say 'aye', all those 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is tabled. Are there any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Matijevich, amends House Bill 430."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, this is the Amendment prepared by the Secretary of State's Office. It is exactly as Amendment #1 except that it is now in proper form, and I move the adoption of Amendment #2."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 430. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 430 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Matijevich now moves for immediate consideration of House Bill 430. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave by use of the Attendance Roll Call for immediate consideration of House Bill 430."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 430 is a Bill which would require a different color driver's license for persons under 20 years of age. It also has been amended where the vehicle identification cards for minors be of a different color. I've worked this Bill out in complete cooperation with the Secretary of State's Office, and that office had intended to administer such a change, color-coded driver's licenses, even without legislation. I feel, and I know you do too, that it is 128 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 proper that it be written into the law, and I ask for your support to House Bill 430."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 430. And on that question, the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Just a... Would the Sponsor yield?"
"The Sponsor will yield for a question, but remember that the Bill is on the Order of Short Debate."
"Just one question - a short question. You, in your explanation, said 'under 20 years'. My analysis says 'under 21'."
"That's... If I said that, I was in error. I'm sorry, Dennis."
"Alright. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 430 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 101... 102 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. Representative Cullerton wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. There are therefore 103 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 437, Representative Keane. Representative Keane. Out of the record. House Bill 467, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 496, Representative Klemm. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 496, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Excuse me. Representative Klemm."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the 129 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 House. House Bill 496 amends the Revenue Act to provide that the Homestead Exemption for persons 65 years of age or older continues if that person enters a nursing home and continues owning the residence and that residence remains unoccupied. There's a quirk in the law, the present law, that says that if a person enters a nursing home and their spouse is still living in that home and is 65, that exemption would continue, but if we have a widow or widower who is 65 years of age, temporarily goes into a nursing home, because that home is not occupied by their spouse, they are thrown off the Senior Citizen Homestead Exemption Act. This Bill would correct that. This Bill would simply say that if a person who is 65 years of age, has a senior citizen's homestead exemption awarded to them - allowed for them - that if they go to a nursing home, and if that home remains unoccupied, nobody's living there, doesn't collect rent, they would still enjoy these benefits. This Bill, I believe, has no opposition that I am aware of. I do ask for your support. I'll be happy to answer any questions."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 496. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield for a question."
"So the exemption would be extended if the homeowner is in a nursing home, and no one is living in his or her house? What if the... I don't understand. What if the spouse is living in... in the house?"
"Representative Klemm, to answer Representative Cullerton's question."
"If there is a spouse living there now, that exemption continues."
"They already have the exemption. Alright. So, you 130 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 want to give the exemption to the homeowner..."
"I want to continue the exemption to that person who had it, if they are forced to go to a nursing home temporarily."
"Okay. And what if they... What if they're renting the home to someone?"
"I don't understand... They wouldn't get a senior citizen homestead exemption if they don't own the home."
"No, they own it."
"Okay."
"The senior citizen owns it. They are forced to go into a nursing home, and they rent their home to..."
"They would not get the exemption."
"It has to be unoccupied?"
"Yes."
"Okay."
"That allows the senior who may come out of the hospital, let's say, in December, needs some help, goes to a nursing home for three or four months for rehabilitation, by law, they're thrown off that homestead exemption."
"I understand. Thank you."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' In keeping with the Speaker's policy, it should be noted that this Bill places a state mandate on local government. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 496 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 538, Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill." 131 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"House Bill 538, a Bill for an Act in relationship to State Occupation and Use Tax Acts. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill relates only to the administration of the sales tax exemption, and what this Bill does, as I have substantial technical support from the Department of Revenue in writing this legislation. It provides for a computerized system of recordkeeping so that we will know who is exempt, under present sales tax legislation. Right now, if you try to find out from the Department of Revenue who's exempt or who isn't exempt, they can't tell you. All they can tell you is whether... what the class of exemption is, and we sort of leave it up to vendors to figure out for themselves whether a person falls into the exempt class or not. This issue was brought to my attention by a local government official who tried to find out whether certain fraternities and sororities at Northwestern University were exempt from paying sales tax. I called the Department of Revenue. They couldn't tell me, because they had no records. So this legislation provides for a system of automated recordkeeping so that not only the Department can keep track of exemptions, but units of local government. So if your local government officials want to know what firms or associations or agencies within your corporate limits are exempt from paying local sales taxes also, they can find out. So I think this is a good Bill. The time has certainly come for us to have this information readily available to... not only to the state, but also to local governments, so I now am pleased to move for passage of House Bill 538."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 538 pass?'" 132 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 All those... Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 538 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 102 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House... House Bill 556, Representative Ryder. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 556, a Bill for an Act to amend the Open Meetings Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Ryder."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. This Bill was presented in Committee, and as a result of the Committee Amendment, it does amend the Open Meetings Act for a very specific purpose. It allows meetings to be closed when the selling price of real estate is being considered by a school board of a public school district. It's very limited in scope. We do not amend the Open Meetings Act lightly, and it is only for the selling price. As an extra layer to avoid any abuse of this, as you know, in public school districts, they are not... real estate is not sold by them, but rather by a board of trustees. Only the selling price, and the reason is fairly obvious. If a minimum price is required to be publicly announced, then obviously any bidders or people interested in acquiring that real estate would be only bidding on the minimum amount."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 556. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 556 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have 133 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 601, Representative Giorgi. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 601, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Lottery Law. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Giorgi."
"Madam Speaker, House Bill 601 provides that any bonuses for selling winning lottery tickets shall be payable to the vendors, whether or not the prize money is clean, provided that the vendor can be identified. By the way we sell our tickets by the computer, the control we have of our vendors, we know who the vendors are, but in many instances, the claimants don't come up and claim their ticket, and we found in the past some vendors have not received their prize money because the winner didn't claim it, so we want to change the law so that any citizen that sells lottery tickets ought to be able to get his share of the winnings. I have no objection to the Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved for... The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 601. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 601 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question... Representative Mulcahey asks to be added to the Roll Call. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye'... Representative Mulcahey is voting 'aye'. There are 105 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is 134 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 hereby declared passed. House Bill 608, Representative McGann - Capparelli. Out of the record. House Bill 707, Representative Kirkland. Out of the record. House Bill 710, Representative Pangle. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 710, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Lottery Law. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Pangle."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We're all aware of what 710. It was the same Bill that we've had for the last two years, putting all of the proceeds and profits from the lottery into the Common School Fund. The Governor has vetoed this Bill in the past but has agreed to sign it, and I would certainly appreciate a positive vote."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 710. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion... Excuse me. The Gentleman from Winnebago wishes to discuss it. Representative Hallock."
"Thank you. Will you yield for a question?"
"The Gentleman will yield for a question."
"Have you checked with the father of the Illinois Lottery on this Bill?"
"Yes, I have, and he supports it 100 percent."
"Thank you very much."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 710 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 714, Representative Wojcik. Clerk, read the Bill." 135 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"House Bill 417 (sic - 714), a Bill for an Act to amend... add Sections to the Township Law. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Wojcik."
"This is House Bill 714."
"Yes. House Bill 714."
"House Bill 714, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Township Law. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Wojcik."
"Madam Chairman and Members of the House, I present this Bill to you as a request of a constituent who lives in my district who stated that he is repeatedly harrassed with evening solicitations at his door. The purpose of this is to have some sort of control in the unincorporated areas of both DuPage and Cook County. Because of the vastness of the areas, they are not able to go to municipalities to get a license to solicit, so therefore, I am asking that we work now with township clerks and that the solicitors would, in fact, have to be licensed so that we could have better control in the unincorporated areas."
"The Gentleman... The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 714. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, as I understand the need for this Amendment, you have gone to the Cook County Board, and they have not passed an ordinance that allows for the regulation and the licensing of hawkers, peddlers, pawnbrokers, itinerant merchants, transient vendors of merchandise, theatricals and other exhibitions, shows and amusements, and so, since you can't get it passed at the county board, you want to give the authority to a township to do the same thing. Is that the reason for the Bill?"
"First of all, Representative, shows and amusements are 136 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 out. That's out of the Bill."
"With the exception of shows and... Is that the purpose of the Bill?"
"Right. Secondly, the.. it is.. To date, Cook County does not have an ordinance that would control this area."
"Have you tried to get an ordinance passed in Cook County? Because they do have the authority, right, to do such a thing?"
"Yes."
"And they have refused to do it, or... "
"I don't know if they refused to do it. I don't believe that they have had any contact with anybody asking them to do it."
"You've not asked anyone on the county board to try to do this?"
"We have spoken with a commissioner as late as yesterday, and yes, we are planning on working something out."
"Well, here's the problem, then. What if the townships go ahead and license these... regulate these people and the county does it as well. Who's licensing, if they differed, would, according to your Bill, whose would prevail?"
"Well, the county most certainly would prevail, but currently, we have an agreement with the county right now that the township clerks can handle the license... the stickers for the cars in the unincorporated area. I would like to have it under that same concept."
"But there's nothing in the Bill that makes that agreement. Right?"
"No, but I was planning on working on that in the Senate."
"Oh, so this is one of those great promises, one of the great promises." 137 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Oh, yes. Oh, I always keep my word."
"I'll amend it in the Senate."
"No, I am a woman of my word, and I promise you that."
"Who is your Senator?"
"Senator Philip."
"Well, I think this probably should be on Postponed. That would be my best. That's the best way to amend it, when it's on Postponed Consideration or if it's on... taken out of the record, because you know, Senator Philip is a busy man, and he may not get around to the hawkers and the peddlers and the pawnbrokers Amendment, and then we'd have this confusion in the law as to which would prevail, the township's right to regulate or the Cook County Board's power to regulate."
"Cook County is a home rule county. That would take precedence."
"It might, but then again, the Bill doesn't say which one would, does it?"
"No, but I suggest that we say that... "
"So you're going to amend it in the Senate."
"Yes."
"Well, okay. If you can sell the House on that, good luck."
"Well, I think the House knows me. I've always kept my promises."
"What if the Senate passes the Bill without amending it. What are you going to do then? Tell the Governor to veto it?"
"No, Sir. I'm the Chief Sponsor."
"Yeah."
"Right. So if they don't take... "
"You're the Chief Sponsor."
"That's right." 138 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"And then it goes over to the Senate, and they pass it."
"I will follow it."
"Then it goes to the Governor's desk. Are you on good terms with the Governor? Would you ask him to amendatorily veto it?"
"Representative, they will not pass it in the Senate unless it's agreed to through Cook County."
"And that's been pledged to you by Pate Philip."
"No, he doesn't even know that he's going to carry this Bill."
"Well, this would be a good test. Why don't we pass this Bill to see whether Pate Philip keeps his word, and we'll monitor it, and we'll see if it comes back on Concurrence."
"I think that sounds great."
"Alright. Fine. Let's vote it out of here."
"Okay."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 714 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 96 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 733, Representative Hensel. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 733, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Hensel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 733 amends the Revenue Act of 1939 to allow board of review in counties of 100,000 or more inhabitants to hire independent appraisers in complaint cases. The 139 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 specific statutory provision does not prevent county boards from hiring independent appraisers at this present time, neither does it have any statutory language which endorses this practice. The way it's going, they felt that if it were in the statutes, that they were allowed to... they would feel better about it, and I know of no opposition and ask for a favorable Roll Call vote."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 733. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Now, as I understand the Bill, it only applies to DuPage County?"
"No, counties of over 100,000. It includes Kane County. Kane County is also in it."
"So DuPage..."
"DuPage County is presently doing it, and Kane County is in my district, but they would like to see it in writing that they can hire appraisers. So it's just a permissive Bill."
"It's DuPage and Kane only."
"Well, it does include DuPage, yes, but..."
"And DuPage is doing it now."
"They are doing it now."
"They're hiring from the..."
"On occasion, yes."
"Okay, and who pays for the board of review budget?"
"The county board."
"Okay. So the county board in DuPage County going out and hiring..."
"They hire outside appraisers in certain cases where they feel they would like a better appraisal or a more accurate 140 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 appraisal of the property under question."
"Well, they..."
"It's only under... when it's under question.
"Well, do they think it's illegal for them to do that right now?"
"No, they don't, but Kane County felt that they would like to..."
"Kane County thinks it would... it would be illegal if they didn't do it."
"Pardon?"
"Kane County thinks it would be illegal unless they had this Bill."
"Well, they would like to see it in the statute spelled out, and it's a permissive Bill. I see no problem with it."
"Okay. Thank you."
"The Gentleman... There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 733 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 778, Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 778, a Bill for an Act to amend a Bill of Rights for Victims and Witnesses of Violent Crimes Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill augments and strengthens the Crime Victims' Bill of Rights that we passed in previous General Assemblies. The major additions to the Bill of Rights that 141 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 this Bill provides in the case of the death of a person which death occurred in the same transaction or occurrence in which acts occurred for which the defendant is charged with an offense, the spouse, parent, child or sibling of the decedent shall be notified by the Office of the State's Attorney of the date of the trial of the person or persons allegedly responsible for the death. It also provides that people... such people are given notice in writing of their rights under this Act. Many of the rights provided this Act can be enforced only upon specific requests, and unless the person knows about the existence of these rights, they do not know whether they can make a request or not, and very often fail to exercise their rights, because they have not been properly informed. So I believe that this legislation rounds out the very good legislation which we've passed in the last Session, and I'm pleased to move for its passage at this time.'
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 778. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Madam Speaker."
"Proceed, Representative Vinson."
"Would you have the Parliamentarian examine Amendment #2 to make sure that any technical defects in it can be corrected in Enrolling and Engrossing?"
"I will. Can we proceed with the Debate until that time? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"I can't find a copy of Amendment #2, that's why. Oh, Representative Bowman took it. Okay. Representative Bowman, would you yield for a question?"
"Yes."
"Could you tell me what, if any, changes there are 142 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 with regard to the right to cross-examine the victim?"
"My understanding... I would like to direct this response to... or ask Representative Hawkinson to respond in my stead, because it was he who recommended that specific change."
"It doesn't sound like something you'd do."
"Well, I... As I read it, I did not see any major change in the law, but I would prefer that Representative Hawkinson respond in my stead. Madam Speaker, would you recognize Representative Hawkinson to respond to this question? Because he was the one who suggested the language..."
"Very good. Representative Hawkinson, to respond to Representative Cullerton's question."
"Representative, in the legislation passed last year, the right to cross-examine was placed in conjunction with the personal right of the defendant to make a statement before sentencing is imposed. I felt that that was an improper place to do it, and by moving it to the next Section, we provide for the right of the defendant to cross-examine through counsel, or if he's 'prosai', any sworn testimony or any evidence that's in the existing law, if he's sworn or offers any evidence, the right of cross-examination will be there. What I wanted to clarify that this was somehow no new individual right of the defendant to cross-examine an unsworn statement that was given by the victim at the hearing which was not offering new evidence."
"Okay, thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? We will be at ease for a moment while we examine the Bill, pursuant to Representative Vinson's request. Representative Bowman, would you mind taking this Bill out of the record for the 143 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 moment?"
"Always happy to cooperate."
"Okay. We'll try to get back to it today, if we can. If not, we will try to accommodate you. It only appears to be a technical problem. This Bill is out of the record. House Bill 787, Representative Berrios. Out of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will now go to a Bill that we had promised we would get back to for Representative Levin. That's House Bill 1763, which appears on page 24 on your Calendar. Second Reading. House Bill 1763. Representative Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1763, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning the operation of vending facilities at highway rest stops. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Vinson, amends House Bill 1763 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Vinson."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. The Sponsors have explained to me - the Sponsors of the Bill have explained to me - that the purpose of the Bill is to permit the State of Illinois to qualify under certain federal law for programs which assist the handicapped. My intention had been to broaden their Bill so that it would provide assistance for the deaf as well as the blind. The problem is, the federal law discriminates against the deaf, and does not provide access for the deaf. As a result, my Amendment to broaden the state law to take care of deaf people would, in effect, be futile, because it would not fit within the discriminatory federal law. And as a result, I would like leave of the House to withdraw the Amendment." 144 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Hearing no objection, the Amendment was withdrawn. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Levin - Ronan, amends House Bill 1763."
"Representative Levin."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is a rewrite of the underlying Bill, as a result of conversations with the Department of Transportation. It simply clarifies a number of points that the department wanted to have clarified. There's also been involvement by the various blind groups, and this Amendment and the Bill is supported by all of the blind groups in the state."
"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #2 to House Bill 763 (sic - 1763). And on that question, is there any discussion? There... The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"He will yield for a question."
"Representative Levin, does this Amendment put the overseeing of this program in the Department of Rehabilitation Services?"
"The program will be overseen by the Department of Rehabilitative Services. So could they, of course, have the blind vendors' program now."
"Okay."
"This simply provides authority for commercial vending machines on facilities on right-of-ways of interstate highways."
"Okay. So this fits into an already existing program." 145 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"That's correct."
"Okay. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 1763 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Returning back now to Representative Bowman's Bill on the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate Calendar, we have House Bill 778. In response to Representative Vinson's inquiry, there is no technical problem, since Amendment #2 has replaced Amendment #1. I think the Bill has been completely debated. Is there any further discussion on whether or not House Bill 778 ought to pass? If not, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 778 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Chair will now go to page 54 on your Calendar, Senate Bills Third Reading. That's on page 54 on your Calendar. Senate Bills Third Reading, House... Senate Bill 339, Representative Giorgi. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 339, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Giorgi."
"Madam Speaker, Senate Bill 339 appropriates $18,500 to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs from the 146 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Tourism Fund for two grants, one to the Ashland High School, I think from the Quincy area, and one to the Kantorei Boys' Choir of Rockford that are going to Japan on a good will tour, and I think the details have been worked out, and I urge the support of the Senate Bill 339."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 339. And on that question, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I strongly believe that one of the more laudable programs within DCCA is this program which would allow our groups in Illinois to visit other parts of the country and the nation. And this is a good idea, and I urge your support. Thank you."
"The Gentleman... The question is, 'Shall House Bill... Senate Bill 339 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 100 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Again, changing... Again, changing the Order of Business, Ladies and Gentlemen, we'll go back to House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate Calendar, on page 37 on your Calender for House Bill 792. Representative McPike. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 792, a Bill for an Act to provide for electronic data processing of the Illinois Revise Statutes. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Last year, we authorized the LRB to acquire an electronic data processing computer memory system and to 147 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 put the Illinois Revised Statutes on that computer. This Bill would authorize the LRB to make those services available to the other governmental agencies and to the general public and allow the LRB to adopt rules and fees for such services. I move for the passage of the Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 792. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I apologize, because it sounds like the Gentleman was losing his voice, but will you yield to a question, please?"
"He will."
"Representative, you mentioned fees. Is there... Are there any fees... Really a twofold question. What would the cost to the state be on this, and second, are there fees associated with the Bill the way it stands now?"
"Well, I don't think there would be any cost to the state. We have the computer system. It's available to the Attorney General and to the General Assembly and to the LRB. All the Bill says is that if we have it, let's try to make a little money on it. If somebody wants to pay us for the... accessing that system, let's let the LRB decide how much they should charge."
"Okay. Just one final question. As far as your facilitating public access to this, have you got any idea as far as making modifications to this, what type of a cost there might be as far as making modifications and how long it would take to set these modifications into working order?"
"No, I really don't."
"Thank you. No further questions."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 792 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'." 148 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will now entertain Motions to discharge appropriations Bills appearing on page 58 on your Calendar. House Bill 24, Representative Hallock."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 24 is the appropriation Bill for House Bill 23, which is a Bill which, in fact, establishes the School of Engineering at NIU in DeKalb. The Chairman of the Committee had called this a member Bill and had asked that this be set later in the Session. The Committee was supposed to hear member Bills at 11:00 that morning this week. At that time, there really was not a quorum, and therefore, the Bill could not be called. I move now that it be discharged from that Committee."
"The Gentleman moves now to discharge the Appropriations II Committee for House Bill 24. And on that question, the Chairman of the Committee, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in opposition to this Motion. In Committee this last week, we heard all the agency Bills first, and then, as I had announced at the beginning of the Session, I said that we would take up member Bills at 11:00. In fact, we started the member Bills around 11:05, and so consequently, they had plenty of time to arrive. I took the Bills in numerical order. Their's was the first Bill called, and they weren't in the room, so we went on to some other pieces of legislation. Now, there was a difficulty in keeping a quorum, I grant you. We were teetering right 149 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 on the edge of having a quorum and, in fact, after the Gentleman who makes this Motion left the room, we voted the Bill out. So we had an adequate number of Members to do business, and we did business subsequent to this Gentleman's Motion. So if... This Gentleman's Bill, so if he had waited around, he could have probably gotten his Bill out, too. Let me suggest, for those of you who are interested in the substance of the Bill, which I won't even bother to discuss, just to say that there is another Bill coming... that's come over from the Senate that does exactly the same thing, and so, don't worry. If that's your concern, don't worry about it."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi, on the Motion."
"Yes, Ma'am. I want to... Madam Speaker."
"Proceed."
"This Bill... I was chasing the Committee myself with Representative Hallock yesterday morning and... or the last week and this Bill is in the Governor's budget. This money... money should be appropriated today because it is a Bill that is very important to Representative Giorgi, Representative Hallock, Representative Mulcahey, Representative Olson and Wait, and this Bill has been fully debated. The northern Illinois region is very much aware that the... the engineering school is going to be located at DeKalb. They have already selected a site. The contract has been let. We need the money there to implement the contract. We need the money to make the Governor an honest man and I think that... I repeat, we need this... we need this money to make the Governor an honest man and I urge the Members of the General Assembly to support Representative Hallock and Giorgi's Motion."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn." 150 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Motion for most of the reasons stated by the Chairman of the Appropriations II Committee. I was in the chamber... in the Committee room at the time all this happened because I had a Bill to present myself. The Gentleman Sponsor of this legislation was in the room. He's a Leader of his own party. All the Members of his party left the room. That's why there weren't enough votes there. They did it at the instructions of their Leadership and I don't think we should honor their actions with a Motion to discharge at this time and, as a matter of fact, it was not only Democrats who lost Bills. Other Members... at least one Member on their own side of the aisle was sitting in a room to call his Member Bill and they walked out of the room so there were insufficient votes and even challenged a quorum. They arranged to challenge a quorum in Appropriation II yesterday morning. So, I don't think we should honor this Motion to discharge at this time. If this is a critical matter, we can take care of it on some OCE later, but we ought to respect the Committee process and deny this Motion."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would just hope that all of the Members can stay together and defeat the Motion to discharge as we should. Thank you."
"Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock, to close."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I ask the Chairman of the... to call... Madam Speaker, I asked the Chairman to set this Bill a month and a half ago, at which time we had passed... we had previously passed House Bill 23, which, in fact, establishes, in substance, a school for engineering 151 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 at NIU in DeKalb. I asked him to set this Bill a month and a half ago. He wanted to delay and delay because he, himself, is against the idea. I then showed up yesterday morning at 8:00, trying to have this Bill called and he postponed it until 11:00. I was then there at 11:00 and they weren't hearing the Bill then and that's when the quorum problem occurred. I then went into a Republican Leadership meeting and could not come back at five til twelve to have the Bill called. There was not a quorum at that time either. I would ask that this Bill be discharged and heard on the floor."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 24 be discharged from the Appropriations II Committee?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This requires 60 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 74 voting 'aye', 21 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the Motion carries. House Bill 2201, Representative McMaster. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2201, a Motion to discharge Appropriation II and advance to the Order of Second Reading."
"Representative McMaster, on your Motion."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to discharge Appropriations Committee #2. I think that I was there when the Committee took up Session at 8:00 in the morning and was advised that in all probability my Bill would not be heard before 11:00. I returned at 11:00 and stayed until the end of the Committee hearing. The Chairman was gracious enough to allow me to present my Bill, but I think we all knew the possibilities of lack of a quorum, therefore, we did not call for a vote on it. For that 152 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 reason, I would like to discharge Committee #2 of Appropriations and move this Bill to the House floor on Second Reading."
Speaker Breslin: "The Gentleman has moved to discharge Appropriations II on House Bill 2201, and on that question, the Chairman of the Committee, Representative Bowman."
"Well, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Just to point out, once again, that we did take up business on Member Bills follow... in the hour between 11:00 and 12:00 and although it was touch and go with the quorum, we did vote Bills out. And... And so the Gentleman could have called his Bill at... at any time and we would have considered it. So, I believe, since he did not, we should now reject this Motion."
Speaker Breslin: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Well, I have something different to add. I understand when I went over to get my Bill out of his Committee also, there wasn't a good amount of Members there because the Republicans walked. So, everyone vote your conscience on this one."
"Representative McMaster, to close."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would disagree with the Chairman of the Committee. I was in attendance. There were no Bills that were voted out of that Committee after I presented my Bill, to my knowledge. I could be wrong and I would stand corrected if that is true. I do feel that it was unfortunate that there was not a quorum there. I made my statement to the Committee when I presented my Bill. I regret that there was not a quorum and I now ask leave of the floor to move this Bill out of Appropriations II Committee to the floor of the House. I urge a 'yes' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall the Appropriations II 153 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Committee be discharged for House Bill 2201. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. 60 votes are required for passage of the Motion. Representative DeJaegher. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion there are 74 voting 'aye', 14 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present', and the Motion carries. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 362..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Pangle, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. Point of personal privilege and this is of interest to all the male Members of this House. I feel that we have been discriminated against by a certain female Member by not being able to watch certain material, certain movies that is relevant to some legislation that is now pending and I would request that that female Representative give us the opportunity to also view these films."
"And now the Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 362, offered by Representative Parcells. 363, by Churchill. House Joint Resolution 47, by McAuliffe. Senate Joint Resolution 50, by Hensel - et al. And Senate Joint Resolution 54, by Farley."
"Representative Matijevich, on the Agreed Resolutions."
"Senate Joint 54 was not was not on the Agreed list"
"Alright. Madam Speaker, House Resolution 362, Parcells, tells of an education award. 363, Churchill, commends Jane Fryers. House Joint 47 protects the veterans. Senate Joint 50, Hensel, recognizes Louis Barony. I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the 154 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Vitek, for what reason do you rise?"
"Point of personal privilege, Madam Speaker."
"Proceed."
"Madam Chairman, Members of the House, I want to take this opportunity to wish every mother on this floor and their mothers a very happy mother's day. I know what it is to lose one."
"Thank you, Representative Vitek. General Resolutions."
"Senate Joint Resolution #54, by Representative Farley."
"Committee on Assignment. Allowing two minutes for Perfunctory Session, Representative McPike moves that this House stand adjourned until 12:00 noon Tuesday, May 14th. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and this House stands adjourned until noon on Tuesday, May 14th, allowing, of course, two minutes for Perfunctory Session."
"Committee Reports. Representative Kulas, Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Environment and Natural Resources, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken May 2, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bill 2173. Representative Kulas, Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Environment and Natural Resources, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken April 17, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Interim Study Calendar' House 155 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 38th Legislative Day May 10, 1985 Bill 744. No further business, the House now stands adjourned." 156 08/16/85 11:23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 1 MAY 10, 1985 HB-0024 MOTION PAGE 149 HB-0031 THIRD READING PAGE 104 HB-0048 THIRD READING PAGE 117 HB-0121 THIRD READING PAGE 118 HB-0241 THIRD READING PAGE 119 HB-0313 THIRD READING PAGE 120 HB-0344 THIRD READING PAGE 121 HB-0394 RECALLED PAGE 122 HB-0394 THIRD READING PAGE 125 HB-0394 MOTION PAGE 125 HB-0421 THIRD READING PAGE 126 HB-0422 THIRD READING PAGE 126 HB-0430 RECALLED PAGE 127 HB-0430 THIRD READING PAGE 128 HB-0430 MOTION PAGE 128 HB-0496 THIRD READING PAGE 129 HB-0538 THIRD READING PAGE 132 HB-0556 THIRD READING PAGE 133 HB-0601 THIRD READING PAGE 134 HB-0710 THIRD READING PAGE 135 HB-0714 THIRD READING PAGE 136 HB-0733 THIRD READING PAGE 139 HB-0778 THIRD READING PAGE 141 HB-0779 THIRD READING PAGE 146 HB-0778 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 144 HB-0792 THIRD READING PAGE 147 HB-1140 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-1148 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-1159 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-1167 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-1179 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-1182 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-1188 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-1192 SECOND READING PAGE 98 HB-1195 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-1202 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-1213 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-1214 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-1217 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-1218 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-1224 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-1228 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-1229 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 17 HB-1229 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-1232 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-1233 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-1239 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-1239 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 19 HB-1251 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-1256 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-1265 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-1270 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-1277 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HB-1313 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HB-1324 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-1333 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-1334 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-1338 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-1343 SECOND READING PAGE 98 HB-1353 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-1360 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-1361 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-1371 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-1379 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-1392 SECOND READING PAGE 25 09/16/85 11:23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 2 MAY 10, 1985 HB-1412 SECOND READING PAGE 26 HB-1413 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-1445 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-1446 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-1447 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-1453 SECOND READING PAGE 99 HB-1459 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-1466 SECOND READING PAGE 103 HB-1467 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-1468 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-1468 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 29 HB-1472 SECOND READING PAGE 30 HB-1474 SECOND READING PAGE 30 HB-1475 SECOND READING PAGE 36 HB-1475 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 36 HB-1478 SECOND READING PAGE 36 HB-1482 SECOND READING PAGE 37 HB-1486 SECOND READING PAGE 38 HB-1491 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-1492 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-1493 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-1496 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-1500 SECOND READING PAGE 41 HB-1502 SECOND READING PAGE 41 HB-1504 SECOND READING PAGE 41 HB-1507 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-1508 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-1510 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-1517 SECOND READING PAGE 43 HB-1518 SECOND READING PAGE 44 HB-1519 SECOND READING PAGE 45 HB-1520 SECOND READING PAGE 45 HB-1523 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-1531 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-1535 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-1539 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-1540 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-1547 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-1555 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-1558 SECOND READING PAGE 100 HB-1566 SECOND READING PAGE 50 HB-1578 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-1614 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-1648 SECOND READING PAGE 69 HB-1651 SECOND READING PAGE 70 HB-1656 SECOND READING PAGE 70 HB-1667 SECOND READING PAGE 71 HB-1667 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 71 HB-1671 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-1680 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-1681 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-1682 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-1683 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-1685 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-1687 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-1699 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-1714 SECOND READING PAGE 74 HB-1717 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-1730 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-1740 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-1746 SECOND READING PAGE 77 HB-1752 SECOND READING PAGE 79 HB-1756 SECOND READING PAGE 77 HB-1763 SECOND READING PAGE 77 HB-1763 SECOND READING PAGE 144 08/16/85 11:23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 3 MAY 10, 1985 HB-1763 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 78 HB-1765 SECOND READING PAGE 78 HB-1767 SECOND READING PAGE 79 HB-1769 SECOND READING PAGE 80 HB-1770 SECOND READING PAGE 84 HB-1780 SECOND READING PAGE 84 HB-1787 SECOND READING PAGE 84 HB-1801 SECOND READING PAGE 85 HB-1815 SECOND READING PAGE 85 HB-1832 SECOND READING PAGE 86 HB-1833 SECOND READING PAGE 85 HB-1845 SECOND READING PAGE 86 HB-1855 SECOND READING PAGE 87 HB-1857 SECOND READING PAGE 87 HB-1858 SECOND READING PAGE 87 HB-1865 SECOND READING PAGE 88 HB-1868 SECOND READING PAGE 89 HB-1886 SECOND READING PAGE 89 HB-1901 SECOND READING PAGE 96 HB-1912 SECOND READING PAGE 96 HB-1914 SECOND READING PAGE 97 HB-1915 SECOND READING PAGE 97 HB-1916 SECOND READING PAGE 97 HB-1917 SECOND READING PAGE 97 HB-1919 SECOND READING PAGE 98 HB-2201 MOTION PAGE 152 SB-0339 THIRD READING PAGE 146 HR-0090 ADOPTED PAGE 3 HJR-0020 ADOPTED PAGE 5 HJR-0032 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 6 HJR-0032 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 10 SJR-0056 ADOPTED PAGE 2 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND PAUL E. PLESNER PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 87 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 154 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 155 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 155 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 155 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 155 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 156