"The House will be in order. The Members will be in their chairs. We will be led in prayer today by the House chaplain, Reverend Timothy Miller, Pastor of the Pontoppidan Lutheran Church of Elliott, Illinois. Reverend Miller is a guest of Representative Tom Ewing. Will the guests in the gallery please rise for the invocation?
Reverend Miller."
"Lord, heavenly Father, owner and Creator of this great universe, we come together today giving thanks. We thank You for the many, many blessings that You have bestowed upon the earth. We thank You for this great country, for the dedicated people who work in government. We thank You for the dedicated farmers who plant the seed and grow the food so that we might be fed. We ask Your blessings, Your presence upon this Session. Be with us. Let everything that we do be done to Your glory. In Your most precious and holy name, we pray. Amen."
"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance today by Representative Ropp."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. The Chair recognizes Representative Matijevich for excused absences."
"None this... None today, Madam Speaker."
"Representative Piel, excused absences."
"All present and accounted for."
"Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 116 Members answering the call, a quorum is present. The Chair recognizes Representative Pangle for purposes of an announcement." 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
May 14, 1985 "Thank you, Madam Speaker. The General Assembly today is proud to announcement that the managing editor of the Kankakee Daily Journal in Kankakee has been picked the Journalist of the Year. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Resolution 344, please?"
"House Resolution 344. Whereas, the Members of this chamber are honored and delighted to recognize and commend outstanding citizens of this state; and, Whereas, it has come to the attention of this legislative Body that Marx Gibson, managing editor of the Kankakee Daily Journal, has been named the 1985 Journalist of the Year by the Department of Journalism at Northern Illinois University; and, Whereas, the 14th recipient of this honor, which includes among its recipients such Illinois journalism giants as Mike Royko, Walter Jacobsen, and Bill Kurtis, Mr. Gibson was chosen for his career accomplishments in the newspaper field; and, Whereas, born in Champaign, Illinois, in 1940, Marx Gibson was raised in Kansas City, Kansas, where he attended the William Allen White School of Journalism at the University of Kansas; and, Whereas, serving his country with honor and distinction in the United States Air Force, Mr. Gibson spent four years working on base newspaper and radio and television stations in California, Maine, and Turkey; and, Whereas, prior to joining the Kankakee Daily Journal in 1980, Mr. Gibson served as city editor of the Joliet Herald News and as executive editor of the three Star/Tribune newspapers in Chicago's southern suburbs, during which time he was selected the Illinois Press Association's 1973 Editor of the Year; and, Whereas, under the expert and experienced guidance of managing editor Marx Gibson, the Kankakee Daily Journal has won 87 awards in state and national competition and this past year was named the outstanding daily 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 newspaper by the Illinois Press Association; and, Whereas, Mr. Gibson has been supported in his work by his loving wife, Lorrie, who is also a journalist, and their four children, Jorie, Greg, Amy, and Keith; and, Whereas, Northern Illinois University honored Mr. Marx Gibson at the 1985 Journalism Banquet on April 26, 1985, where the Illinois Journalist of the Year award and a cash honorarium was presented to the exemplary... to this exemplary member of the newspaper community, who also presented a $750 scholarship in his name to an outstanding Northern Illinois University student; therefore, be it resolved, by the House of Representatives of the Eighty-Fourth General Assembly of the State of Illinois, that we congratulate Marx Gibson, managing editor of the Kankakee_Daily Journal, on being named the 1985 Journalist of the Year by the Department of Journalism of the Northern Illinois University; and be it further resolved, that a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to Mr. Marx Gibson in recognition of his many years of outstanding contributions to the field of journalism to his community and to this state."
"Representatives Pangle, Christensen, Piel, Ewing, Davis, Van Duyne, Hastert, Giglio and your distinguished colleagues, thank you very much for acknowledging the honor Northern Illinois University bestowed on me recently. I was overwhelmed then, and I am overwhelmed again here today. You know, it isn't always a good idea to get journalist too close to government, just ask Chuck Percy. But since my first name is Marx, as in Karl Marx, Chuck Pangles knew he was safe today when he invited me here. Politics have changed in Kankakee County in the past few years, but not quite that much, and I wouldn't run on that party label even if they asked. I was born in Illinois, in Champaign County, and I've spent most of my life in this 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 state, and I love it here. We journalists don't say that often enough. I'm presently looking for a new sports editor for my paper, and over half of the applicants are transplanted Illini fans who want to leave the deep south and return home. You ought to read their plaintiff appeals. I have only three appeals to all of you today. One, please fix the Freedom of Information Act. It was supposed to help the public gain access to public information, and it's doing exactly the opposite. Two, please come visit Kankakee County and canoe down our beautiful Kankakee and Iroquois Rivers. Representative Pangle has the rates and the reservation slips, and we can use the revenue. And three, remember that the best government is the one closest to the people. Keep your meetings open, encourage the public to participate, and remember that the best way to get your message to the voters is through your local newspaper. Thank you, again, for honoring me today. I sincerely appreciate it."
"The Chair recognizes, Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's with great pride that I standup and congratulate Marx. Marx and I started many, many years ago as Jaycees together in Harvey, Illinois, and he... the only bad mistake he's ever made in his career was the very first time I ran, when he decided to endorse my opponent. But, the Democrats might think that was a smart idea. Marx, I want to say congratulations to you and many, many more years of good publicity for the State of Illinois. I know that you've done a... I keep on watching his career. I just stay in one place all the time, and he's having trouble holding a job. Because every time I turn around, he's going bigger and better things, but congratulations to you."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker." 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"We will proceed to the Order of House Bills on Second Reading. On page 20 of the Calendar, next Bill, appears House Bill 1921, Representative Peterson. Representative Peterson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1921, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Snowmobile Registration and Safety Act. Second Reading of the Bill."
"Are there any Amendments from the..."
"No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the Floor?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Peterson, amends House Bill 1921 on page one by deleting line one and so forth."
"Representative Peterson on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 1 to House Bill 1921 is requested by the Department of Conservation. It is needed to amend certain Sections of the Snowmobile Act to clarify and make the law more workable. At this time, it is illegal to drive a snowmobile within 500 yards of a nature preserve. The proposed law would permit snowmobiles within 500 yards as long as they stay out of the nature preserve. Secondly, it is now illegal to drive a snowmobile in ditches and grassy areas along U.S. and state highways. This Amendment would allow snowmobilers to drive their snowmobiles in these areas. It is also illegal for someone on a snowmobile who does not have a driver's license to cross any road. This would allow those persons who have taken and passed the Department Safety Class to drive their snowmobile safely across some roads. Lastly, several penalties for violations of this Act do not reflect the seriousness of the violation. The Department would like to upgrade the penalties for these violations as provided in this 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Amendment. I move for the adoption of Amendment 1."
"Is there any discussion on the Amendment? The Chair recognizes, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"What does in Amendment 1... what... you've got some language here that says, 'various immunities from liability that landowners already enjoy under the Act apply notwithstanding any other law to the contrary'. Now what's the purpose of that language?"
"From what I understand, the Department... this would grant the state that immunity for those people who would be driving on the state highways. That's my understanding, Representative."
"Well, how is it different from the current law?"
"That I am not aware of."
"Well, in other words, I'm just suggesting to you that it's a little unusual. The language is unusual. Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary. It looks like it's trying to preempt another law, or perhaps somebody else on your staff..."
"I believe Representative McCracken can clarify that point."
"Okay. Let's see if I have any other questions. Okay, I don't have any other questions about the Bill, but perhaps Representative McCracken can explain about the... the issue of the liability. Does it expand liability? Does it keep it the same way? And if so, why is there a need for this change? Mr. Speaker, perhaps you can ask Representative McCracken to answer a question."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken." 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Under current law, snowmobile May 14, 1985 operation is the subject of an immunity statute, the Snowmobile Safety Registration Act. The immunity does not apply where a fee is charged for the use of the property except, if the property is forest preserve or other public land. In 1983 or four, it was amended so that that immunity did not apply to willful and wanton negligence. Now, whether or not this particular language is actually necessary, I'm not certain, but that's the reason for the language. That in this particular situation, they want to, as I read it, give the immunity and they make no reference to a willful and wanton negligence relative thereto. I assume that this would obviate the 1984 Amendment. I think it's a fine idea, and I think Representative Peterson has a good Bill made better by the Amendment."
"Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1921. All in favor say 'aye, opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Appearing on the Calendar page... on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1922, Representative Vinson. Is Representative Vinson in the chair? Out of the record. House Bill 1926, Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson. Out of the record. House Bill 1929, Representative Klemm. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1929, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Water Well and Pump Installation Contractors' License Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
Harris,
"No Floor Amendments." May 14, 1985 "Third Reading. House Bill 1931, Representative Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." "House Bill 1931, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Ryder and Harris, amends House Bill 1931 as amended by deleting the title and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jersey, Representative Ryder, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Amendment is technical changes only. The original Bill as amended in Committee had some improper drafting in certain places and this clears up that language."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1931. All in... Is... Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"When you said this is technical, could you be a little more specific as to what the Amendment does, Representative Ryder?"
"The Amendment has... that I have in front of me..."
"The Amendment is the Bill."
"Correct, but it rewrites the Committee Amendment that was made. We're not changing substance. We're not changing any of the categories. There was some problems with drafting. As you know, this Bill went through the Committee and had some problems. There was an Amendment there that was made to settle some of those problems, and 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 the Amendment... Although you're correct it does rewrite the Bill. It meets with those problems."
"I have some questions about the Bill. If you prefer that I wait until Third Reading..."
"That would be fine."
"I'd be happy to, unless you want to change it before..."
"If there's a problem with this, I'd... I'd be glad to talk with you about it. If we could take it out of the record for a minute and then come back to it, that's fine."
"Alright. Thank you. Let's do that."
"Out of the record. House Bill 1933, Representative Kirkland. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1933, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Mines and Minerals amending Acts herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. 19... House Bill 1934, Representative Davis. Representative Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1934, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1935, Representative Daniels. Representative Koehler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1935, a Bill for an Act in relation to the acquisition by the Department of Energy and Natural Resources of land acquired for construction, maintenence 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 and operations of a twenty superconducting super United States Department of Energy. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any... Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1936, Representative Woodyard. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1936, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to deliquent loans and fraud in scholarship and grant programs administered by the Illinois State Scholarship Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1939, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1939, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain funds in the State Treasury related to the radiation protection. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1943, Representative... Representative Weaver. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1943, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Recreational Area Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1944, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1944, a Bill for an Act to amend 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill... On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of Second... House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 354, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. On page 53 of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Consent Calendar, Third Reading, appears House Bill 775, Representative Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bills."
"Consent Calendar Third Reading, Second Day, page 53 on your Calendar. House Bill 775, a Bill..."
"Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock, rise?"
"Well, Madam Speaker, I'd like to know just what we're doing. We first read about ten Bills on Second Reading. We then proceeded to read one Bill on Second Reading Short Debate, and now we're on the Consent Calendar. Could you indicate to the Members just exactly what we're doing and where we're going?"
"Representative, I would've said, nevermind, but that would have made light of the process. I'd like to go to the Consent Calendar Third Reading, Second Day. That is the Order of Business that we are on, and we will continue on that Order of Business."
"Well, could you indicate to the Members then where we'll go from there, because we've skipped around twice and Members I think should have some idea as to when to be prepared to have their Bills called. And if you're going to skip around the Calendar, they really can't do that. And I think all Members would appreciate to hear that 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day information." May 14, 1985
We Speaker Braun: "Representative, I'm... I'm... I will advise. will go back to Second Reading at some point when we finish the Consent Calendar, and you will be apprised of that."
"Well, thank you very much."
"Your welcome. Mr. Clerk, read the Bills."
"Consent Calendar Third Reading, Second Day, page 53 on your Calendar. House Bill 775, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boat Registration and Safety Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 951, a Bill for an Act to amend the Emergency Medical Services System Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 957, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to regulate the granting of assistance in indigent war veterans and their families. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 963, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Employees' Group Insurance Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1079, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1299, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1363, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act for the regulation of pawn brokers. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1364, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act for the regulation of pawn brokers. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1365, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act for the regulation of pawn brokers. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1366, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act for the regulation of pawn brokers. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1438, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1488, a Bill for an Act authorizing Lake County Forest Preserve District to exchange land in Vernon Township. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1585, a Bill for an 12 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1587, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Park District Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1638, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1654, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1655, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1670, a Bill for an Act relating to the Chicago Park District. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1703, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Care Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1768, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1925, has been removed from the Consent Calendar. House Bill 1930, a Bill for an Act to amend the Blood Labeling Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1938, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Children and Family Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1947, a Bill for an Act to amend the Insect Sting and Bite Emergency Treatment Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1956, a Bill for an Act to relate to stock breeders. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1958, a Bill for an Act to assure payment of wrongful cut... for wrongfully cut trees. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1962, a Bill for an Act to amend the Forest Products Transportation Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1966, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1969, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to wild American ginseng. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1971, a Bill for an Act to amend the Pharmacy Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2035, a Bill for an Act to amend the Humane Care for Animals Act. Third 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1935 Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2080, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2113, a Bill for an Act in relation to swimming pool safety. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2129, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2189, a Bill for an Act to amend the Dental Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2255, has been removed from the Consent Calendar. House Bill 2310, a Bill for an Act in... relating to the Department of Children and Family Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2428, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to private employment agencies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2523, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The question is, 'Shall these Bills pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On these Bills, there are 116 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. These Bills, having received the Constitutional Majority, are hereby declared passed. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Harris, rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair, or perhaps the Clerk, and this is the first time I've done this so I'm not sure if it's... how you go about it. But, the Consent Calendar lists House Bill 2428 as, amending an Act relating to private employment agencies. That's not accurate is it?"
"Would you repeat the question, Representative Harris? Representative Harris."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. There's was a question... There was a question that came up regarding House Bill 2428 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 as it's printed on the Calendar. And the synopsis we have seems to indicate it deals with something else, and I had a question of the... of the Chair or the Clerk as to exactly what the Bill did deal with."
"Representative Harris, has your curiousity been addressed?"
"Well, I'm just curious, Madam Speaker, what I'm voting on, is the reason for the inquiry."
"Well, it comes a little... after the vote has been taken on passage of the Bill... I... We would have entertained discussion before, but it's..."
"Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. The vote was not... was not finalized when I made the inquiry. I appreciate it. Thank you."
"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, will you read the title of the Bill about which Representative Harris has a question?"
"House Bill 2428, the correct title should be, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act of 1934. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Harris."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, for providing the answer to that. I would certainly ask that if we're voting on Bills that the correct... the correct description be given in the Calendar, so we know what we're voting on."
"Mr. Clerk,"
"It was an error in the storage of the Calendar file."
"Thank you."
"We listed the incorrect title,"
"Due to an error on the Calendar printing, we will call for a separate vote on House Bill 2428. The Bill because of the error on the Calendar was improperly passed. 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day We will, therefore, May 14, 1985 reconsider the vote on that Bill and vote again separately on House Bill 2428. Mr. Clerk, read the correct title of the Bill."
"House Bill 2428, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'nay'. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."
"Has the Bill been explained then since it's off the Consent Calendar?"
"Representative Klemm, we're correcting a technical error in the passage of the Bill."
"But the Bill is no longer on Consent Calendar."
"It is still on the Consent Calendar, but it was read wrong by the Clerk because of an error in printing."
"Alright. Alright. Thank you very much."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Harris."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate the separate vote even though this Bill is clearly going to pass, and there's no problem with it. But, I think every Member should know that there was an error. Thank you very much."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question... On this Bill, there are 115 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'present'. And House Bill 2428, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Hallock. Representative Hallock, we are returning to page 20. On page 20 of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, appears House Bill 1945. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1945, a Bill for an Act in relation to fees, salaries, examinations and related aspects of the 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 regulation of certain professions. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1948, Representative Friedrich. Representative Frederick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1948, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Controlled Substance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Virginia Frederick, amends House Bill 1948 on page 3, line 24 and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick, on Amendment #1."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, Members of the House, Amendment #1 does a couple of things. Number one, it upgrades the drug, glutethimide, from Schedule 3 to Schedule 2 to conform to the federal standards. Secondly, in an emergency situation, it allows a pharmacist to order a drug and then fill out the prescription... the required triplicate prescription and send it in to the Department of Alcohol and Substance Abuse within a 72 hour period. I move adoption of Amendment #1."
"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, will the Lady yield for a question?"
"She indicates that she will."
"Maybe you can explain what... what would happen now under this Amendment. First of all, what happens now if a 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day individual brings in a prescription for a narcotic drug? What does the pharmacist have to do now?"
"Actually, the pharmacist may order the prescription without putting the prescription on triplicate script, as he's required to do, provided that he files with the Department of Alcohol and Substance Abuse within... and postmarks within 72 hours..."
"That's what the Amendment does."
"Yes."
"I'm asking you what the current law is."
"I'm not sure what the current law is. Actually, now what happens is there's no time limit, and this does put a time limit on the Bill."
"Does it only change the time limit, or does it also impose a new responsibility?"
"It is... It is a new responsibility it requires them to file with the new Department. This... This Bill was asked for by the Department of Alcohol and Substance Abuse, and it's approved by RNE, also."
"And what about the pharmacists? What's their position, the pharmacists?"
"I'm not sure what the pharmacists' position is? I'm assuming they must approve it though."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Is there further discussion? The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1948. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1949, Representative Mays. Representative Mays. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1949, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Real Estate Licensing Act. Second Reading 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." May 14, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Nash and Mays, amends House Bill 1949 on page 19, on line 31 and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Adam on Amendment #1."
"Thank you very much. Amendment #1 corrects an omission in drafting of the Bill that was called to our attention by the Association of Realtors just prior to the Committee Meeting. That's why Representative Nash and I are both sponsoring the Amendment. It's... It corrects a technical problem with the Bill."
"Is there any discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1949. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1950, Representative Hensel. Out of the record. House Bill 1951, Representative Stange. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1951, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Personnel Codes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1953, Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1953, a Bill for an Act in relation to the operation of gasoline stations or service stations selling motor fuel. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1955, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1955, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Recorders' Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. The Chair recognizes, Representative Pullen, for purposes of an announcement and an introduction. Representative Pullen."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I have privilege today to introduce to you Mrs. Helen Kim from Mason City, Illinois, in Representative Tom Homer's Legislative District. Mrs. Kim has recently won the designation of Mother of the Year for the State of Illinois. And I would like to have you greet her, and she will say a few words of greeting to you. Mrs. Helen Kim."
"State Representative, Miss Pullen, Mr. Speaker, and the Members of the House, this is a great honor that you bestow upon me this afternoon. I am so grateful for being chosen as Mother of the Year for Illinois, which is the great state of Abraham Lincoln. These past three months have been an unbelievable experience in my life. On March 24, I was honored at the Annual Awards Ceremony at the Mason City Presbyterian Church. Mr. Frances Killy, President of the Illinois Mothers' Association, presented to me the certificate and the golden pin. Senator Richard Luft presented the Resolution from the State Senate and the 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Proclamation from Governor Thompson. May 14, 1985 After the ceremony, our United Presbyterian Women gave a lovely reception. My husband, Mark, accompanied me to the National Mothers' Conference, which was held on April 19 to 22 at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. The American Mothers Incorporated celebrated their 50th golden anniversary this year. During the Conference there were many exciting activities, especially as each of the fifty state Mothers gave three minutes speeches on the question: 'What family tradition has helped keep your family close?" I gave a speech on my devotion to music. Surely music has been our family tradition, which is an essential ingredient in our daily life. It has given us joy and happiness through the years. Our family has always had an intimate relationship with music. Through music our three children developed important characteristics. Music brought us harmoniously close to each other. Through music our family has been worshipping God with singing and playing instruments. We have shared our talents with the civic and community organizations. The highlight of the Conference was the last day event, Mother of the Year Banquet in the Grand Ball Room. Mrs. Louise M. Cimino, Nebraska Mother of the Year was chosen as the 1985 National Mother of the Year. She is an outstanding mother of ten children, six boys and four girls. I had a wonderful opportunity to become acquainted with many mothers representing our nation. I was so grateful to participate in the Golden Anniversary Meeting as the Illinois Mother. Often, I am asked how I reared my children. I tell them my philosophy of parenting. It has been greatly influenced by my own mother. She gave me the attention, confidence, trust, and love which I have always cherished, and I have tried to rear my own three children as my mother reared me. I have 21 STATE OP ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day tried to give my children love, a nurturing Christian faith, opportunities for their intellectual growth from the beginning of their lives. I believe the early years are crucial in the foundation of a child's character and ability. Also, a mother's own self-growth is essential because most importantly, her life is an example of a child's future. I strongly believe that if a mother guides her children with encouragement and gives them opportunities to explore their interest which God created in them, they will serve their families, neighbors, nation, world, and our Lord. The American Mothers Incorporated aims to develop and strengthen the moral and spiritual foundation of the American home and to give the observance of the Mother's Day a spiritual quality which highlights the importance of the mother in the home, the community the nation and the world. Especially AmericanMothers Incorporated deeply believe the power of prayer. Each State Mother of the Year, is the Chairperson of the Prayer Vigil for her state. The prayer Vigil date is set for Illinois on November 25th through December 1st. Also, American Mothers Incorporated has an excellent study group program. I believe we can work through American Mothers Incorporated to strengthen our families and our country. Again, I thank you for this great opportunity to speak to you at this time. Thank you very much."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to present to the House, the Illinois Mother of the Year. I think she is an important symbol for all of us for what character and love can do in raising children, and it is important that we recognize such people. And a happy mother's day to all of you. Thank you."
"Let me just say, that it's a tremendous personal privilege to represent the district that has the Mother of 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 the Year. There certainly can be no greater influence on the character development of our youth and the importance to our very fiber than motherhood. And I'm very proud to represent Mrs. Kia, who is from Mason City in the 91st Legislative District. And I would ask you, my colleagues, to join with me in extending to her our expression of appreciation for all that she's given to us. Thank you."
"On page 21 of the Calendar, returning to the Order of House Bills Second Reading, appears House Bill 1970, Representative Peterson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1970, a Bill for an Act in relation to telecommunication service provided by the Department of Central Management Services for State Agencies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1972, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 12... or 1972, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Baccalaureate Assistance Law for Registered Nurses. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1974, Representative Wait. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1974, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1975, Representative Mays. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"House Bill 1975, a Bill for an Act concerning the Quincy Veterans' Home amending certain Acts herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Mays and Hannig, amends House Bill 1975 on page one by deleting line one and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. This Amendment is pretty much technical in nature. It simply changes the Quincy Veteran... or the Illinois Veterans' Home... the Veterans' Home to the Illinois Veterans' Home at Quincy. Quincy. And it's in keeping with what we're dealing with in Manteno... naming. So, I'd urge its adoption."
"Is there any discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1975. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1977, Representative McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1977, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Personnel Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1980, Representative Waite. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1980, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Highway Advertising Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1981, Representative Wojcik. Representative Wojcik. Out of the record. House Bill 1999, Representative... Out of the record. House Bill 2002, Representative Breslin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2002, a Bill for an Act in relation to the child care services for employees of agencies of the state. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Breslin, amends House Bill 2002 on page one and line 24 and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin, on Amendment 3."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Amendment has been prepared for and asked for by Central Management Services and the Governor's Office. It would allow that once the Central Management Services starts operating daycare facilities on state owned or leased facilities, the facilities shall be primarily used by state employees. However, use by non-employees may be allowed. The reason for this is that the Governor's Office believes that in providing daycare services at the new State of Illinois building in Chicago, there's a possibility that there will be extra space and that that extra space could be taken up by non-state employees. So, that is the reason 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 for this request. I ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel, on Amendment 3."
"Question of the Chair, Madam Speaker. Has this Amendment been printed and distributed?"
"Apparently it has not. Representative Breslin, may we hold this until the Amendment is printed and distributed?"
"Please do."
"House Bill 2003, Representative Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2003, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act creating the Board of Higher Education. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2004, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2004, a Bill for an Act to create the Small Business Utility Advocate. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"The Chair recognizes Representative Mautino."
"I do have an Amendment being prepared. It's technical in nature. I would like to have the Bill moved to Third and then when the Amendment gets up at a later time, we can bring it back. But I'd like to have it moved to Third today."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2006, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2006, a Bill for an Act to amend 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Sections of the Medical Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2009, Representative Parcells. Out of the record. House Bill 2011, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2011, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2012, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2012, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, rise?"
"I'd like to ask a question of Representative Churchill. Representative Churchill, is this a Bill that... did you agree to amend this Bill in Committee? Did we talk about an Amendment at all for this Bill?"
"Representative Cullerton, I don't recall that we did. Was there an Amendment that you had requested?"
"I thought we did, but why don't you move it to Third then I'll have someone talk to you about a possible Amendment, okay?"
"I'd be happy to bring it back, if that's what you wish." 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Any Floor Amendments? Mr. Clerk."
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2015, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2015, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to working cash fund in certain counties. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2017, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2017, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2022, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk. For what purpose does the Gentleman... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2022, a Bill for an Act relating to the disposal of solid waste. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm not sure whether this... the Floor Amendment has been printed and distributed yet."
"Would you like to take it out of the record and we can come back with it?"
"Unless it's been printed and distributed." 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"The Chair... The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. First of all, the board indicates Amendment #1. Was Amendment #1 adopted in Committee? Okay. And there's no Motions on that. Amendment #2 has not been distributed? Alright. So, could you ask him to please take it out of the record?"
"Representative Churchill, we'd..."
"I'll be... I'll be happy to do that."
"Okay, thank you. House Bill 2023, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2023, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2026, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2026, a Bill for an Act relating to prisoners in jails. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2027, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2027, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2029, Representative Klemm. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2029, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to recorders. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Klemm, amends House Bill 2029 by deleting line 16 and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #1 changes the word from having to be '$30,000' on a bond, we've changed it to be 'not less than 20,000'. It seems that way it doesn't change those counties that have that. It seems to be a proper Amendment. I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2029, is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"I don't believe the Amendment has been printed, Madam Speaker."
"The Amendment is not printed or distributed. So, we will take this out of the record and return to it later. House Bill 2032, Representative Tate. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2032, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Insurance Code. Third... Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"For what purpose does the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, rise? Out of the record." 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Out of the record."
May 14, 1985 "House Bill 2034, Representative Peterson. Out of the record. House Bill 2036, Representative Hallock. Out of the record. House Bill 2040, Representative Ryder. Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 2053. Out of the record. House Bill 2054, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2054, a Bill for an Act in relation to bonds of minority and female business enterprises entering into... wrong Bill."
"54."
"Bill 2054, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Farms Management Program Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2060, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2060, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Low Level Radioactive Waste Management Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2061, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2061, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Low Level Radioactive Waste Management Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1... No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Churchill, amends House Bill 2061 on page 1 by deleting 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day line Il and so forth."
May 14, 1985 "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. What this Amendment does is apply to nuclear power reactors in the state. The original Bill sets up a fee structure on a case by case basis. And what this Amendment does is say that for nuclear power reactors instead of doing the fee basis, that there will be one flat fee of $90,000 per year, per nuclear reactor for the waste that it generates. I'd ask for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2061, is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates..."
"I'... I couldn't hear his explanation of the Amendment. I wonder if he could give it again, please."
"The... What the original Bill does is set up a fee structure for the disposal of waste. What the Amendment does is take those businesses which are... have nuclear power reactors and rather than charging them an ongoing fee, it sets one annual fee in the amount of $90,000 for the treatment, storage and disposal of the low level radioactive waste."
"Well, how is that going to change from the current law? In other words, what's the dollar amount going to be, is it going to be collecting more money or less money?"
"It should be exactly the same."
"Well then what would the Bill do then?"
"The... What the Amendment does is cut down the paperwork that's necessary. Because instead of everytime 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 there's a deposit, they won't have to file a fee with the deposit. They can just do it on a annual basis."
"Okay, thank you."
"Is there further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"What is the rationale for this? My understanding of what the Amendment would do would be to treat all power plants the same, whether or not they may generate... one may generate ten times as much waste as another, they would all be charged the same. What's the rationale?"
"All of the nuclear power plants are roughly the same in terms of their waste disposal. And what this does instead of creating a huge paperwork jungle where they have to file a piece of paper and file a fee everytime they make a disposal, it says that they will pay one annual fee and that will be their cost for all of their dumping and storage for the total year."
"Representative, you said that... you indicated that all of the power plants are the same in terms of waste disposals. So, one of the newer power plants that has a thousand times as much capacity, as say Dresdan II did, is going to generate the same amount of waste. That seems to be contrary to at least what my understanding of the situation is."
"Actually, Representative, it's my understanding that technology on the new nuclear plants is better than some of that on the old, and that they may not even produce as much waste."
"Well, I think they're starting to incinerate, which reduces some of the volume but..."
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you." 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Levin: May 14, 1985 The Chair "Alright, anyway... That's all."
"Is there further discussion? recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I don't quite understand this Amendment. I thought when we passed the Bill setting up the low level radioactive waste program for the State of Illinois, we did so with the notion that those who paid fees would pay fees in relation to the cost of clean up. Not only is it not accurate, that all nuclear reactors in the state create the same volume ΟΓ the same degree of hazard of waste material, but also they will be on a variety of decommissioning schedules. There's no question that when we come to decommissioning the cost for those reactors on a decommissioning schedule should be appropriately a whole lot higher than those that are not yet at that stage. A $90,000 flat fee doesn't recognize existing differences from one nuclear power plant to the other. It creates no incentives for better management of low level radioactive waste products. It strikes me that this Amendment needs a good deal better an explanation than we so far have had, if the Members of the House should adopt the Amendment or the Bill itself."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill." Churchill: to Once that "Madam Speaker, the fees that are generated are prior the establishment of a disposal site for this waste. So, we're looking at a finite period of time. waste site is opened then there will be a reassessment of fees to determine what the cost of running the waste site is going to be. At this point, between today and the day that we finally open this site, the only possibility of a plant that would be decommissioned would be Dresdan and that's unlikely. So, we're looking at a finite period of 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 time. We're looking at something that would be a savings to both ends of the transaction in terms of paper flow with no change of dollars."
"Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2061. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2062, Representative Hastert. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2062, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."
"Could I take that Bill out of the record, please?"
"Out of the record."
"Thank you."
"House Bill 2066, Representative Tate. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2066, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Export Council Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Oblinger, amends House Bill 2066 on page one and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Sangamon, Representative Oblinger, on Amendment #1."
"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, this just... the Amendment carries out the purpose of the Bill, which was to 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 have export council internships from any of the colleges in the State of Illinois. As the Bill was originally written, it just named about six of them and did not include the others, and this now includes all colleges in the state."
"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment has been agreed upon both sides of the aisle. It's been worked out, and I encourage the Members to vote 'aye*."
"Is there any further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2066. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2074, Representative Phelps. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2074, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bil1 2084, Representative Hallock. ME. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2084, a Bill for an Act to amend the Court Reporters Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Hawkinson, amends House Bill 2084 as follows,"
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Knox, 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Representative Hawkinson, on Floor Amendment #1,"
"Thank you. This is an Amendment that vas discussed in Committee. The Bill places control over certain equipment with the court reporters, and we wanted to clarify that if the judge brings in his own tape recorder or one of the parties brings in their own recording equipment, that this equipment shall not be under the control of the court reporters, but remain under the control of the judge or the party that owns it."
"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Hawkinson, when you say brings in his own recording system, how would that affect a situation where the recording system is built into the building? Can we... Let's say there's a recording system that's built into the entire court... speaking of sound systems, right. Like this... Like this system we have right here. Would that... How would your Amendment affect those?"
"It would not affect it in anyway. I'm attempting to deal with a situation particularly downstate where we do not have court reporters for preliminary hearings and many other hearings where the judge wishes to make a recording of the proceedings or one of the parties, usually defense attorney or perhaps the prosecutor, will bring in their own tape recorder. So that subsequent to those proceedings if a record is desired, the parties can get together and certify."
"Well, but we've got to decide what the affect this Bill is going to have on those situations where there's a recording... you know that's built into the system. I don't... I can't imagine court reporters being in charge of 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 going into the... you know the electrical room and turning on the switch that activates the recording system. So, maybe your Amendment should mean that under those circumstances, the judge has control of the recording system and as a result, the court reporters are not the ones that are in charge of activating it."
"Given the language in the Amendment about owning the system, I don't think the Amendment would cover that. It's a separate problem that I think ought to be addressed. Perhaps with another Amendment you can address the Sponsor of the Bill. My Amendment is only intended to cover those situations where one of the parties or the judge brings in his or her own recording equipment."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."
"Yes, I would accept the Amendment and say that it was in response to some questions that did come in the Committee. And I also believe it needs another Amendment, which I'll offer at a later date. So, I will accept this Amendment."
"Any further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2084. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2089, Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2099, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 38 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Speaker Braun: "Any Floor Amendments?" May 14, 1985
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2093, Representative Braun. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2093, a Bill for an Act to amend the Social Workers' Registration Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2095, Representative Hawkinson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2095, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2099, Representative McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2099, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to state colleges and university system. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2100, Representative Zwick. Representative Zwick. Out of the record. House Bill 2102, Representative Ropp. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2102, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to prevent frauds in the coloring of grain. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2103, Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"House Bill 2103, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bill of Rights for victims and witnesses of violent crime. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2105, Representative Terzich. Representative... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2105, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2106, Representative McNamara. Representative McNamara. Out of the record. House Bill 2108, Representative DeLeo. Out of the record. House Bill 2110, Representative Leverenz. Representative Leverenz. Out of the record. House Bill 2115, Representative Ropp. Representative Ropp. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2115, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments? Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2125, Representative Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 2128, Representative Braun. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2128, a Bill for an Act to amend the Hospital Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments."
"None." 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Third Reading. House Bill 2132, Representative Ryder. Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 2136, Representative Hawkinson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2136, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2138, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2138, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Corporate Takeover Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Churchill, amends House Bill 2138."
"Is the Amendment printed and distributed? We'll take this Bill out of the record and return to it later. House Bill 2139, Representative Matijevich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2139, a Bill for an Act in relationship to smoke detectors. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2147, Representative Stephens. Out of record. House Bill 2154, Representative Friedrich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2154, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?" 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?" May 14, 1985
"Floor Amendment #2, Davis, amends House Bill 2154 as amended."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis, on Amendment #2."
"An inquiry, Madam Speaker. Has the Amendment been distributed? I don't have a copy of it."
"It apparently has not."
"Then, I will withdraw the Amendment, rather then hold the Bill. It's been filed to another Bill."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, rise?"
"Amendment #1, was that adopted in Committee? Okay. I have no further... no questions. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee, I understand. Okay. Thank you."
"House Bill 2158, Representative Berrios. Out of the record. House Bill 2160, Representative Berrios. Out of the record. House Bill 2162, Representative Berrios. Out of the record. House Bill 2165, Representative Berrios. Also, out of the record. House Bill 2166. Out of the record. House Bill 2167. Out of the record. House Bill 2175, Representative Piel. Out of the record. House Bill 2179, Representative Vinson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2179, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to preferred organizations. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"None." 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, would Representative Vinson yield for a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"Is this a... Would you agree to potentially bring this back for a mental state Amendments? Okay, thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? Are there any further Amendments? Third Reading. House Bill 2180, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2180, a Bill for an Act to amend the Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2182, Representative Churchill. Out of the record. House Bill 2187, out of the record. House Bill 2188. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2188, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to improve urban schools. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2190, Representative Pullen. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2190, a Bill for an Act to amend the Psychologist Registration Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton rise?"
"Madam Speaker, I wonder if we could interrupt Representative Pullen's interview for just a second to see if she could respond to a question?" 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Will the Lady yield for a question?"
"In reading this Bill, I detected the need for a possible Amendment. Representative Pullen indicated that she would get back to us and now that we are on Second Reading, I just wondered if she intends for this petty offense to be a strict liability or whether she wants to have a mental state added to the offense? This... This Bill requires psychologists to display their certification of registration in a conspicuous place in their office. Violation is a petty offense with a fifty dollar fine. I just wondered if you wanted this to be strict liability or whether you wanted there to be a mental state involved with this petty offense?"
"Are you suggesting that because this is dealing with psychologists we need to throw in some mental state language?"
"No, just... I wanted to add the word like 'knowingly' failed to display their license on the wall."
"Have you filed an Amendment to that effect?"
"No, the Bill is on Second Reading and there is no Amendment that has been filed."
"Okay, I would have no objection to that if you would have no objection to my inserting the word 'knowing' into the mandatory seatbelt law where it says a violation shall constitute."
"Okay, well, you can move it to Third then. We'll talk about that."
"Is there any further discussion? Third Reading. House Bill 2195, Representative Didrickson. Out of the record. House Bill 2196, Representative O'Connell. Mr... Representative O'Connell. Out of the record. House Bill 2202, Representative McMaster. Representative McMaster. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"House Bill 2202, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Satterthwaite - McMaster, amends House Bill 2202."
"Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Knox, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't really have any trouble with the Amendment. I think that perhaps it has not been distributed yet. It's alright with me to proceed with it if the Chair..."
"Oh, it hasn't been... Representative McMaster, would you take this Bill out of the record until the Amendment is printed and distributed and we can come back with it?"
"Yes, I will. Thank you."
"Thank you. House Bill 2205, 2206, 2207, Representative Ewing. Out of the record. House Bills 20... House Bill 2213, Representative Friedrich. Representative Friedrich. Bill out... Out of the record. House Bill 2217, Representative Oblinger. 2217. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2217, a Bill for an Act relating to abused of disable... disabled adults. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Oblinger, amends House Bill 2217 as amended."
"Chair recognizes the Lady from Sangamon, Representative Oblinger, on Amendment #2." 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, May 14, 1985 Amendment #2 deletes everything in the Bill and becomes the Bill. I talked with the people at DORS and they wanted it to be a demonstration program, similar to the elderly abuse Bill. They have also said that they are... had the study underway so that we won't have to do that and they will start implementing this Bill next year. Therefore, they will require no additional appropriation this year. They already have paid for the study and have it underway. I would appreciate your vote on Amendment #2."
"The Lady has moved the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2217. Is there any discussion? There being none, all in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2219, Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2219, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2220, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2220, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2226, Representative 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Turner. Out of the record. May 14, 1985 House Bill 2241, Representative Leverenz. Out of the record. House Bill 2244, Representative Giorgi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2244, a Bill for an Act in relationship to county taxes and county vehicle licensing. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2249, Representative Flinn. Representative Flinn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2249, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2250, Representative Kulas. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2250, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the State Fire Marshal. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2251, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 2259, Representative Greiman. Out of the record. House Bill 2261, Representative Koehler. Represent... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2261, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Koehler, amends House Bill 2261 on page 7 and so forth." 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed, Mr. Clerk? It has not. Representative Koehler will take this out of the record and come back to it. The Chair recognizes the Lady from Marshal, Representative Koehler."
"Yes, Madam Speaker. May I have your assurance we will come back to that then? Thank... I thought you said... You said that earlier, didn't you?"
"Representative Koehler, it's my intention to try to get back to all of these Bills that we have taken out, however, I can give you no assurances on anything regarding the schedule."
"Thank you. I'm sure. Thank you."
"Alright, thank you. For what purpose does the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn, rise?"
"Well, Madam Speaker, on 2249 that just was passed to Third Reading, I find that there's a technical difficulty with that. So, until I can get an Amendment ready, would you move that back to Second Reading, please?"
"Mr. Clerk, will you return House Bill 2249 to the Order of Second Reading? House Bill 2266, Representative Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2266, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to natural resources, research, data collection and environmental studies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2273, Representative Oblinger. Out of the record. House Bill 2274, Representative Cowlishaw. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2274, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2275, Representative Weaver. Out of the record. House Bill 2276, Representative McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2276, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2278, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino. Out of the record. House Bill 2281, Representative Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2281, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Development Finance Authority Act and the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2283, Representative Breslin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2283, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2286, Representative Kirkland. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2296, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 49 39th Legislative Day
"None." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Speaker Braun: "Third Reading. House Bill Weaver. Out of the record. May 14, 1985 2287, Representative House Bill 2290, Representative Hawkinson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2290, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Countryman - Hawkinson, amends House Bill 2290 as follows."
"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? Amendment... Representative Hawkinson, apparently the Amendment has not been printed and distributed... back to this. House Bill 2299, Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson. House Bill 2299, Representative Vinson. We can take this out of the record, if you like. Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Would you take that Bill out of the record for a minute, please?"
"Out of the record. House Bill 2308, Representative McCracken. Out of the record. House Bill 2311, Representative Homer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2311, a Bill for an Act to amend the Personnel Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Homer, amends House Bill 2311 on page 1 and so forth." 50 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985
"Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Leave to withdraw Amendment #2."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2327, Representative Hawkinson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2327, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2328, Representative Regan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2328, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Regan, can we take this out of the record temporarily? Thank you. House Bill 2336, Representative Braun. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2336, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2337, Representative Braun. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2337, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Third Reading. House Bill 2348, Representative Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 2349, Representative Hallock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2349, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois AddictionsResearch Institute. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments."
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2350, Representative Matijevich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2350, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning authority over Interstate 290. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2351, Representative Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2351, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Capparelli, amends House Bill 2351 on page one and so forth."
"Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli, on Amendment #1. Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been printed and distributed?"
"The Amendment just clarifies in the Bill that we will be addressing county landfills and not private landfills. I move for adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2351. The Chair recognizes the Is there any discussion? Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken." 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Ralph, I got a big sign on my file here, DuPage County Forest Preserve'. What does this Bill do as amended?"
"We'll... We will be addressing only county landfills in regard to payment in dumping."
"What do you mean?"
"Regards to the payments where people dump... use their fill, which of course, we will be doing on Third Reading, this... the Amendment only addresses county landfills and not private landfills."
"What does the Bill do? If your Amendment gets on, what would the Bill do?"
"The Bill will then... well, there will be no charges or equal charges for any dumping at any county landfills."
"Equal statewide, you mean? A statewide mandate?"
"Yeah, yes."
"And what will that limit be?"
"Whatever the limits are. I don't know what the limits are. We will address that on Third Reading."
"Oh, alright. I see. So, if Cook County runs out of land in which to put their garbage and they come to DuPage County, we can't charge them higher than we charge our own residents, right?"
"Not only Cook County, any county."
"But don't we want to charge Cook County higher?"
"Not really."
"Will you charge us the same for water that you charge the city residents? Is it? Is it? Alright. Okay. Thank you very much."
"Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to 53 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 House Bill 2351. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2355, Representative Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2355, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2362, Representative Flowers. Out of the record. House Bill 2364, Representative Soliz. Representative Soliz. Out of the record. House Bill 2368, Representative McGann. Representative McGann. Out of the record. House Bill 2369, Representative O'Connell. Out of the record. House Bill 2372, Representative McMaster. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2372, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to county jails and sheriff... sheriff's residences. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments."
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2378, Representative Parke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2378, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
Speaker May 14, 1985 "Floor Amendment #2, Parke, amends House Bill 2379 as amended."
"Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke, on Amendment #2. Parke, on Amendment #2."
"I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Explain the Amendment? Oh, I'm sorry. This Bill... the Amendment 2 simply states that the... on the badge of the Judge, that the township and precinct number of the precinct in which the Judge is serving must appear on the badge, as well as the person's name."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Amendment. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"The... The Bill, when it was originally drafted and filed, dealt with jurisdictions that have Board of Election commissioners, is that correct? Yes or no?"
"I'm not sure I have the answer for that question. I'm not aware."
"If we don't know what the Bill does, what does the Amendment do?"
"The Amendment simply clarifies what should appear on the badge as far as information for poll watchers and people that are in that precinct that if there is a judge that they feel is..."
"That's what Amendment #1 does. We're... I think we are talking..."
"Number 2 does the same."
"And it also has the effect of making it applicable to all districts, I believe. Is that correct? Watch out. There is a guy behind you with a crutch in his hand."
"All the precincts in the state, yes."
"Well, that's... So, we go from DuPage County only to 55 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE the entire state with this Amendment?"
"Oh, excuse me. For the boards of election. You were correct in your original question, yes. It covers boards of election."
"Okay, well, how many municipalities have jurisdictions with a board of election commissioner?"
"Nine."
"And how was the Bill originally drafted? How did... Which district did it apply to as originally drafted?"
"Only a board... Only boards of election commissioners."
"Okay, so now this Bill would apply to every precinct in the state?"
"Yes, as far as I'm con... Yes, that's correct."
"Okay and why would we want to do that?"
"Elections laws should be uniform. The Constitution requires that."
"Thank you."
"Thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2378. All in favor say aye, opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"None. No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2382, Representative Wojcik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2382, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to county and multiple county health departments. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2383, Representative 56 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Giorgi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
May 14, 1985 "House Bill 2383, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the recycling and treatment of hazardous and solid waste. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2384, Representative Steczo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2394, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"None."
"Third Reading. There has been a request for a Republican conference for 30 minutes in Room 118. Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and I would like to requestion that Republican Members be prompt so we won't delay the House unnecessarily and it will be about a 30 minute conference."
"We will recess for a half hour for Republican conference in Room 118. The Speaker advises that we will work this evening until the hour of 7:30. We'll return here at 2:30 to continue until 7:30 this evening. House will stand in recess."
"House will come to order. Page 27 of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading. House Bill 2387, out of the record. House Bill 2391, Representative Bowman. House Bill 2391. Can you handle that? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2391, a Bill for an Act to amend the 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day law May 14, 1985 regarding hiring of handicapped persons. Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any floor Amendments?"
Second Clerk O'Brien: "Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Parcells, amends House Bill..."
Amendment "Representative Parcells, Amendment #1. Is the distributed? Yes, 1 is distributed. Representative Brookins, are you seeking recognition?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like leave to put House Bill..."
"Could you hold that, please? of the record. Take this Bill out of the record. Representative Brookins, repeat your request."
"I'd like leave to put House Bill 834 in Interim Study."
"In what?"
"In Interim Study."
"Are you the Chief Sponsor of the Bill?"
"Yes, I am."
"Gentleman asks leave to place House Bill 2391 in Interim Study. Are there..."
"No, 834."
"I'm sorry. House Bill 834 in Interim Study. The Gentleman is the Chief Sponsor of the Bill. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 2399, Representative Barnes. Is the Lady here? Out of the record. House Bill 2400, Representative Capparelli. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2400, a Bill for an Act which creates an Act relating to Motorcycle Dealers Franchise Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Third Reading. Representative Braun in the Chair."
"House Bill 2407, Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson. Out of the record. House Bill 2412, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2412, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Mautino, amends House Bill 2412 on page 1 and so forth."
"Is the... Is the Amendment printed and distributed?"
"It is not."
"Representative Mautino, will you hold this? Out of the record. House Bill 2413, Representative McAuliffe. Representative McAuliffe? Out of the record. House Bill 2414, Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels. Out of the record. House Bill 24... For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, rise?"
"Have an inquiry of the Clerk. The Bill is filed under Representative Parke as being the Chief Sponsor and the Calendar indicates Representative Daniels, on 2414. Did Representative Parke withdraw his name because it's a bad Bill or..."
"Representative Cullerton, it's being checked on the computer system. Representative Cullerton, apparently, Representative Parke is no longer the lead Sponsor on that legislation. Oh, Representative... the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke. 2416, Representative Williamson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"House Bill 2416, a Bill for an Act to amend the Rape Victims' Emergency Treatment Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2417, Representative... Out of the record. House Bill 2418, Representative Daniels. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2419, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to Illinois coal and emergency development. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2419, Representative Cowlishaw. 2419. Out of the record. House Bill 2421, Representative Wojcik."
"House Bill 2421, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act and an Act in relationship to state finance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, rise?"
"I'm sorry, are there any Amendments from the floor?
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Giorgi, amends House Bill 2421..."
"I don't believe it's printed yet."
"Is the Amendment printed and distributed? It is not. Representative Wojcik, will you hold this, please?"
"Pardon?" 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
May 14, 1985 "Will you hold... We'll come back to this."
"No, I'd like to put it into Third. We'll take it back to Second."
"Well..."
"I'll put it into Third now."
"The Chair recognizes Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, she... Representative Wojcik, you may recall, we had a speech given to us last week by the Minority Leader with regard to this issue, and I thought it was well taken. If we can get... just wait for the Amendment to be distributed and printed, then we can come back to it today, if you wish. As a courtesy, I think was the words used by Representative Daniels."
"Representative, I I think you and I have had a conversation and the Gentleman who has prepared the Amendment has not talked to me as Chief Sponsor of the Bill. There... I would like to have it go into Third Reading. When the Amendment is printed, we will bring it back to Second and at that time, we will discuss it."
"Well, the... the Sponsor of the Amendment is right here, Representative Giorgi. I understand the Amendment has not been distributed."
"Normally, when there is an Amendment going on Bills, there is consultation between the Sponsor and the person who would like to place the Amendment on the Bill. He did not speak with me regarding his Amendment. I would like the Bill to go into Third Reading."
"Representative Wojcik, apparently you'll have to move to table the Amendment, but I think it would be advisable if you just hold it. We have a number of Bills we are going to come back to. We can come back to it later on in the day after you have had an opportunity to talk with the Amendment's Sponsor. Representative Wojcik." 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Wojcik: Speaker May 14, 1985 "Representative, will you come back to this Bill?"
"Yes, we have about seven or eight Bills that we are going to come back to and we will.
"Thank you, then we will take it out." Thank you."
"House Bill 2426, Representative Mays. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
Boat Bill," "House Bill 2426, a Bill for an Act Registration and Safety Act. to amend the
Second Reading of the Speaker Braun: "Representative Mays, can we take this out of the record. Okay. Out of the record. 2427, Representative Mays. 2427. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2427, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to private employment agencies. the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
Second Reading of Clerk Leone: "None."
"Third Reading. 2431, Representative Olson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2431, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to support and maintenance. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
Speaker "Floor Amendment #2, Olson, amends House Bill 2431."
"Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would like leave to table Amendment #1 which was adopted in Committee and go forward with Amendment 2."
"Amendment #1, adopted in Committee, is tabled. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Representative Olson, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Amendment #2 expounds and explains what was inadvertently admitted in Amendment #1, which was adopted in Committee. This is a major initiative in the Public Aid Code relative to child support collection, relative to House Bill 3068, which we passed a year ago. I'm going to just go through the Amendment, hopefully, answer any questions that anyone may have. The provisions of our Amendment amend the presumptive child support guidelines as follows: It clarifies that the guidelines set forth relate to the supporting party's net income rather than gross. It specifies that departure from the guidelines... parties owing a duty of support or the court finding reason for a higher or lower amount based on relevant factors. Defines net income as the total of all income from all sources minus various deductions specified in the Bill. And now I'm going to just enumerate some of the deductions. The definition of those deductions allowable to derive a net income have been approved in the following way: State and federal income tax include added language, property calculated, withholding or estimated payments, mandatory retirement contributions required by law or as a condition of employment. It includes union dues. It liberalizes the requirements of dependents in individual health, hospitalization, insurance premiums. Previously, the law required that this insurance was mandatory, that it would only be $25 deduction to account for the cost of the insurance. This legislation further specifies that this insurance should be... at the court's discretion. This can be added to an existing insurance policy at reasonable cost. We further include in there the court's discretion 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 consideration and repayment of debts that are reasonable and necessary for the production of income. Medical expenses that are necessary to preserve life or health and reasonable expenditures for the benefits of the child or other parent, exclusive of gifts. For short term, that will be recognized for the length of that obligation, but there will be self-executing modification to the support order upon termination of the payment. At request of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, language is included to require that at the time of the hearing, the party owing the duty of support shall provide a form of affidavit showing the calculation of net income. If net income cannot be determined because of default or other reasons, the court shall order an amount considered to be reasonable for the particular case. Final order shall be in a dollar amount as opposed to a percentage of income. Madam Chairman, we offer this Amendment at the request of the Department of Public Aid because there was some controversy last year with regard to the original passage of 3068. This includes the consideration of the presumptive guidelines for support. It should be a positive net for the state budget of Illinois. It should also provide the courts at the local level with discretionary powers relative to the outlines that I have mentioned and I would move for the Amendment of #2 to House Bill 2431."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2431. Is there any discussion? There being none, all in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2432, Representative Olson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"House Bill 2432, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the investigation and prevention of fire. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments,"
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None." Speaker Braun: n: "Third Reading. House Bill 2433, Representative Ewing. We will come back to that one. House Bill 2435, Representative Ewing. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2435, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create a major employer utility tax grant program. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
Speaker "Floor Amendment #1, Ewing, amends House Bill 2435 on page 1 and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing, on Amendment #1."
"Madam Speaker, this Bill is the Department of Commerce Community Affairs Enterprise Zone Bill, and this Amendment changes the figure from $20,000,000 to $30,000,000 in the Bill and I would ask for its approval."
Speaker Braun: "The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? There being none. the question is, Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?" All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2437, Representative Mays. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." a
Bill for an Act to repeal Clerk Leone: "House Bill 2437, certain Acts herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?" 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"None."
"Third Reading. May 14, 1985 House Bill 2438, Representative Olson. Out of the record. House Bill 2439, Represent... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2439, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the sale of fishing and hunting licenses. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Amend... floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2441, Representative Hastert. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2441, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to community currency exchanges and ambulatory currency exchanges. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2442, Representative Hastert. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2442, a Bill for an Act to amend the Private Sewage Disposal Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2443, Representative Pedersen. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2443, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code and the Amusement Rides and Attraction Safety Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2444, Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 2445, Representative Parcells. Out of the record. House Bill 2446, Representative Hallock. Out of the record. House Bill 2447, Representative Barnes. Out of the record. House Bill 2449, Representative Williamson. Out of the record. House Bill 2450, Representative Parke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2450, a Bill for an Act to amend the Wildlife Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2452, Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 2457, Representative Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2457, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Parentage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2473, Representative Stange. Out of the record. House Bill 2475, Representative Daniels Olson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2475, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments." 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Third Reading. House Bill 2477, Representative Olson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2477, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are two Amendments which have been filed but are not as yet distributed. I'd like to hold the Bill."
"Thank you. Out of the record. House Bill 2487, Representative Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2487, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to establish the Illinois Clean and Beautiful Program. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments."
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2494. 2494, out of the record, House Bill 2498, Representative Alexander. Out of the record. House Bill 2512, Representative Soliz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2512, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to Illinois Youth Employment Programs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Amendments from the floor?"
"Floor Amendment #1. Vinson, amends House Bill 2512 on page 19 and so forth."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I believe that this Amendment to this Bill is one of the critical policy issues that this General Assembly will face, not only this year on this Bill, but 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 throughout the course of the decade of the 1980's and 1990's. Madam Speaker..."
"Representative Vinson, could you hold on for a second? The Sponsor is attempting to be recognized, or was attempting to be recognized and I didn't see his light. Representative Soliz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Point of Order. Has this Amendment been circulated? I don't seem to have a copy of it or have received a copy of it."
"The Amendment apparently has been printed and distributed."
"Might I continue, Madam Speaker?"
"You may continue."
"As I said, I believe that this particular Amendment not only is relevant and important in terms of House Bill 2512, but is relevant and important and pertinent to one of the rising and important policy issues this General Assembly faces in this and the next decade. For a long period of time, government throughout this state, at the state level and at the local level, has employed large numbers of people. Those people are beginning to move into the retirement phase of their careers in government, and we have made pledges and promises to those people that we will fund pension funds and pay them benefits. Indeed, the Constitution of the State of Illinois says that those pledges and those promises are inviolable, that we have to honor them. Currently, in Washington, a major struggle is ensuing over whether the Federal government is going to honor social security promises for those people. What this Amendment does is to preserve the integrity of the pension funds of the State of Illinois for public employees. This Amendment guarantees that money that currently goes into the pension fund, public employees pension funds all across 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 the State of Illinois, teacher pension funds, state employment retirement system, firemen, policemen, state policemen, that money currently used to finance pension benefits for them, money currently directed to the pension system will continue to go to the pension system. What the Sponsors of this Bill, House Bill 2512, are presenting for your consideration is a proposal that we, the General Assembly, determine that the promises we have made, the sanctity of pension benefits, the guarantee of pension benefits for retired employees, that we should imperil those promises and those guarantees of pension benefits and instead that we should reroute a segment of public money away from pension benefits and to some other worthy program that government should sponsor. Now, Madam Speaker... Madam Speaker, why don't you recognize him so I can..."
"I'm just about to do that, Representative Vinson. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, point of order. I just wanted to find out whether the Gentleman's... not that it makes any difference normally, but I wanted to find out if this speech... this speech matches up with this particular Amendment. It's very possible that he's giving a speech on another Bill. He's talking about... He's talking about pensions and I... Unless, we have misread the Amendment, he is on a different Bill."
"Representative Vinson."
"Yes, I'm just preparing to elucidate that for Representative Cullerton who I understand has difficulty following Bills in the General Assembly. What the Bill does, Representative Cullerton and Madam Speaker, is to take money that currently goes to the pension funds and take them away from the pension funds and to give them to 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 govern... other government employment programs. What the Amendment does is to keep that money in the pension funds. It simply says that you can't take the money from unclaimed property that currently goes to the pension funds and spend it on some other desirable government program. Members of the Assembly, I don't wish at this time to cast any aspersions on the program that the Gentleman wants to initiate for the people of the State of Illinois. It may be a good program. It may be a desirable program. I'm saying that he should not fund that program out of money currently flowing to the public employee pension systems in the State of Illinois. Currently, under his proposal, he would fund his program through money derived from the sale of unclaimed property. That money currently goes to the pension systems. Teachers pension systems, state employee pension systems, a variety of others; we ought to keep that money in the pension systems because we ought to recognize the sanctity of the promises we have made to public employees, teachers, state employees and all the rest. By enacting this Amendment you do nothing strike at the program that the Gentleman offers in 2512. What you do say, when you go home to your teachers, is that we have protected the funding of the Teachers' Retirement System and the public employee retirement system and that's what this Amendment does to this Bill. It keeps money in the pensions systems, money that this Gentleman wants to spend on some other program. And I have no objection to his program, but I think we ought to protect public employees and keep that money in the pension systems. I move for adoption of this Amendment to 2512." Speaker Braun: to "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."
"Our apologizes... apologies to Representative Vinson. 71 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 He had the right speech. Now, to the... to the Amendment, I think political speeches are funny sometimes and I know we try to make points with them, but occasionally they do get a little silly and that was really a silly speech. We all recognize..."
"Representative McPike. Excuse me. Representative Vinson is gesturing frantically on the other side of the room. I think he's trying to get your attention. Representative Vinson."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, you'll of course recall that he interrupted me and I just wanted to interrupt him so that he could repeat the first sentence of his speech."
"Representative McPike."
"I corrected myself, Sam. Thanks. The speech was, indeed, silly. We recognize how the General Assembly funds programs. We take a look at all the special interests that come before us, all the special needs of the state, whether it's transportation or education or mental health, and then we look at all the sources of revenue, whether it's a sales tax or an income tax or whether the money comes from the lottery or horse racing or unclaimed property. And then the General Assembly, as a whole, makes a decision as to how we are going to spend all this money. And if we have certain money earmarked for a special item, that really doesn't matter because if the General Assembly decides that if there is not enough money in the pension systems, like we tried to decide last year that the Governor had underfunded the pension systems. We tried to increase it from 60 to 66 percent and it really wouldn't matter if the unclaimed property money was in there or the lottery money was in there. It wouldn't matter if Sam Vinson was successful in keeping $10,000,000 in there when we are talking about 600 or 700 or $300,000,000 because the 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 General Assembly would simply appropriate money from some other source as we would make our joint decisions whether or not it was a good program. This is a good program. The Gentleman that offered the Amendment didn't try to dispute the program. He said, in fact, that it was probably a pretty good idea to try to stimulate employment amongst chronically unemployed youth. All he did was say, 'It's a good program, but let's not fund it.' Well, I think it's a good program and we should make a joint decision that since it's a good program, we should fund it. That's the essence of this. If you don't think we should fund the program to help the unemployed, the chronically unemployed, depressed areas, then vote for his Amendment. If you think we should make an effort in this area and try to put some young people back to work, then vote against the Amendment."
"Is there further discussion? Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2512. The Chair recognizes Representative Vinson to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly. I hope you listened closely to the Minority Leader's speech on this subject. Mr. McPike's speech. I think it's important to listen very closely to what he had to say. He said that each year the General Assembly listens to the entreaties and requests for money from the... from the special interests throughout this state. Apparently, he thinks retired public employees, retired teachers are a special interest. Well, if they are, it's because they have been designated in the Constitution as an interest that we have made a special commitment to, a Constitutional commitment to, to preserve the promises we have made to them. Only in that sense can those hard-working men and women be regarded as a special interest. Ladies and 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Gentlemen, he says then that we collect all the revenue coming into the State of Illinois and we are going to distribute that to those special interests. I submit to you that the first call and the first claim on that revenue ought to be to fund pensions for public employees when we have made inviolable promises to fund those pensions. Pensions for teachers, pensions for state employees, pensions for policemen and firemen, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, he suggests that the program for which he stands, the program in 2512, the program that they want to fund at the expense of the retirees of the State of Illinois, that it's a good program. And perhaps it is. It's a youth employment program. I submit to you that one of the issues that we have to deal with constantly in the next twenty years is whether we are going to short the old people, the hard-working retired people at the expense of young people. Are we going to set off an intergenerational war in this state between young people and old people or are we going to say, and be true to our oath in the Constitution, that we have to protect those promises to retired teachers, to retired state employees, to retired policemen and firemen? I submit to you that taking money out of the pension systems to fund youth employment programs is a terrible step, a wrong step, a step that ought to be rejected and it can be done right now by voting 'yes' on this Amendment."
"Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2512. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. All of those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. What reason does the Gentleman from Jersey, Representative Ryder, rise?"
"I would... I would ask for a verification in the event 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 that the affirmative fails. Verification of the "nays'."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 56 voting 'yes', 59 voting 'no' and the Gentleman has requested a verification. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw rise?"
"Leave to be verified."
"Alexander, Flowers request leave for... Dunn requests leave to be verified. Mr. Clerk, Poll of the Absentees. Leflore and Brookins request leave to be verified. Washington, White, any others? Okay, Younge, Turner, Young requests leave to be verified. McNamara. Rice. Nash. Hicks. DeLeo. Panayotovich. Mr. Clerk, will you Poll the Absentees?"
"Poll of the Absentees. Brunsvold. Homer. And Krska. No further."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jersey, Representative Ryder."
"Madam Speaker, I apologize. Apparently, I wasn't making myself clear. It's not our intention to slow down the process and as a consequence, I'm not sure that all those people needed to exodus from the chambers and you were rattling them off quite so rapidly I wasn't able to get them all, so perhaps we better slow down on our process and if you want to take it from the top, that's fine."
"Representative, some of the Members are going for a meeting in with the Speaker and that's... So those..."
"Certainly would not want to keep them from meeting with the Speaker. I would be the least of my concerns at this point. Thank you."
"Would you like the names?"
"Certainly. And by... Excuse me. I suppose this is an inquiry of the Chair. When they ask leave to be verified, 75 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 are they asking verification from the Chair or from me?"
"They are asking leave of the Body."
"Or the person who is making the verification, so I would have had the opportunity to object, as I was doing for the last half dozen that left?"
"I'm sorry, Representative Ryder, if your objection was not properly noted at the time."
"Thank you. I hope that it will be in the future. Thank you."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Madam Speaker, I just wanted to make an inquiry of the Chair. It seems that the freshman Republican Members have seating charts with the Members pictures actually xeroxed on it. I just wanted to find out if it's approved in the rules that they use those?"
"The Clerk will proceed with the..."
"And if so, we want them on our side on their side."
"The Clerk will proceed with the Negative Roll Call."
"Poll of the Negative Vote. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Bullock. Christensen. Cullerton. Currie. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hartke. Hicks. Huff. Keane."
"Mr. Clerk, one second, please. Representative Greiman in the Chair. Representative Braun asks leave to be verified. Thank you."
"Continuing the Poll of the Negative Votes. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore."
"Yes, Mr. Mulcahey. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I have leave to be verified?" 76 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985
"Gentleman asks leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."
"Continuing... continuing the Poll of the Negative. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Yes, Ms. Younge, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Leave to be verified, Mr. Speaker, please?"
"The Lady asks leave to be verified, Mr. Ryder. Leave is granted."
"Continuing the Poll of the Negative. Mulcahey. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Preston. Rea. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Shaw. Soliz."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Rice, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Mr. Rice asks leave to be verified. Gentleman have leave? You have leave, Mr. Rice. Mr. Saltsman makes the same request. Mr. Saltsman has leave."
"Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. Washington."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Matijevich asks leave to be verified. Does Gentleman have leave? You have leave, Mr. Matijevich."
"White. Wolf. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. And Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Ryder, questions of the Affirmative... of the Negative Roll Call."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Alexander. Excuse me. Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry. I said Alexander. Perhaps you didn't hear me."
"Yes, yes, I heard. I'll be with you in just one second, Mr. Ryder." 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day
"Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you."
"I wasn't here for the first moment of the verification, so I have to find out who vas verified and what not, okay? We'll be with you in a second. Alright, Mr. Ryder, I'm told that Ms. Alexander was verified."
"Mr. Speaker, I have previously apologized. I was not able to catch all of the names, so if I repeat, I apologize and I... I am..."
"Yes, okay. Alright. Ms. Alexander was verified. That's why... what I had to find out. Proceed."
"Fine. Berrios. Representative Berrios."
"Mr. Berrios is in his chair."
"Representative Bowman."
"Mr. Bowman. Mr. Bowman. Mr. Bowman is way in the back of the room."
"Mr. Bowman. Representative Breslin."
"Yes, Ms. Breslin is at the well."
"Representative Brookins."
"Mr. Brookins, I believe, was verified also. I believe he was verified also."
"He was?"
"I believe he was, yes."
"Okay. Brunsvold."
"Mr. Brunsvold is in his chair."
"Bullock. Representative Bullock."
"Mr. Brunsvold, by the way, has not... has not been voting."
"Fine. I recognize that. Thank you."
"Mr. Bullock. Mr. Bullock. Gentleman in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'no'."
"Mr. Bullock is right here at the door."
"I apologize for the delay, Mr. Speaker." 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
May 14, 1985 "Take your time. That's alright, Mr. Ryder."
"Representative Currie."
"I'm sorry, who, Mr. Ryder?"
"Representative Currie."
"Currie, Ms. Currie is in her chair."
"Thank you. Representative DeJaegher."
"Mr. DeJaegher is in his chair."
"Representative DeLeo."
"Mr. DeLeo... he's been verified. He was on that list."
"Representative Farley."
"Mr. Farley is in his chair."
"Representative Flinn."
"Mr. Flinn is in his chair."
"Giglio."
"Mr. Giglio, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Just to be verified."
"Mr. Giglio is here to ask for..."
"He may be."
"You have been and you are, Mr. Giglio. Proceed."
"Representative Giorgi."
"Mr. Giorgi is here at the well."
"Representative Hartke."
"Mr. Hartke is in his chair."
"Representative Hicks."
"Mr. Hicks is in his... standing at his chair."
"Representative Keane."
"Mr. Keane is sitting in his chair."
"Laurino, Representative Laurino."
"Mr. Laurino is in his chair."
"We had trouble with Representative Leverenz picture. Is 79 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day he here?" May 14, 1985
"We never have trouble with Representative Leverenz."
"His picture was the only thing that gave us trouble."
"Oh, Mr. Leverenz is here."
"Thank you."
"Or a picture of him."
"McNamara. Representative McNamara."
"Mr. McNamara. Is Mr. McNamara in the chamber? Oh, I'm told McNamara had leave."
"... If I may inquire, was... was a list prepared by the Clerk of those that left? Fine, Thank you."
"Mr. McNamara is here."
"Thank you. Representative Pangle."
"Mr. Pangle is in his chair."
"Representative Phelps."
"Mr. Phelps was just here a second ago. He's at the door. Right at the door under the exit sign."
"Thank you. He may now exit. O'Connell. Representative O'Connell."
"Mr. O'Connell is in the rear of the chamber."
"Representative Steczo."
"Mr. Steczo is in his chair,"
"Thank you. Representative Van Duyne."
"Mr. Van Duyne is in... standing at his chair."
"Representative Nash."
"Mr. Nash. Mr. Nash was on the verified list."
"Representative Preston,"
"Mr. Preston is in his chair. Mr. Brunsvold, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Please record me as 'no' on this vote, please."
"Mr. Brunsvold is to be recorded as 'no'. Further questions of the Negative Roll Call?" 80 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Representative Homer."
"Mr. Homer. Mr. Homer has not cast a vote."
"That completes my names. Thank you."
"Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 56 voting 'aye', 60 voting 'no', none voting 'present' and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2517, Mr. Parke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse me. Mr. Ronan, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yeah, Mr. Speaker. I want to go back to House Bill 2499. I think the objection on hold has been lifted."
"I'm sorry, what, Mr. Ronan?"
"The previous Speaker skipped over 2499. The hold has been lifted and I'd like to move it to Third Reading."
"Alright. Let's do Mr. Parke's and as I called the Bill and then we will return to your Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2517, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2499. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2499, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Second Reading appears House Bill 2518. Mc. May 14, 1985 Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2518, a Bill for an Act in relation to endangered species. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #12"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2519. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2521. Out of the record. Alright. We will now return to some of the Bills that we have passed over. The Bills will be called slowly in order to give the Clerk an opportunity to find the Bills and the various Members will be able to look at the Bills. I will read off the page number as well as the Bill to give you an opportunity to get there. On page 22 of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, appears House Bill 2002. Oh, I'm sorry. Page 21, 2002. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2002, a Bill for an Act in relation to child care services for employees of agencies of the state. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Breslin."
"Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Breslin, on Amendment #3." 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May 14, 1985 Ladies and Gentlemen, House Bill 2002 deals with the... a provision for allowing day care services for state employees. This Amendment is provided at the request of Central Management Services and the Governor's Office. It would allow that where day care centers are being provided on state owned property or leased facilities by the state, it should be used primarily by state employees. However, use by non-employees should be allowed. The reason for this request, as I understand it, is that the new State of Illinois Building is supposed to be equipped with day care services for its employees in downtown... the City of Chicago. One of the possibilities of where to put this facility is over at the old State Illinois Building. As you know, that is a very large building. It is a possibility that there will be room enough for all state employees needs and the Governor's Office would like to have it available to them to open it up to non-employees to make it a financially feasible operation. So, I would ask for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2002."
"Lady from LaSalle moves for the adoption of House... of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2002. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne."
"Yes, would the Lady yield for a question, please?"
"Yes."
"I'd like to know, Representative Breslin, if this flies in the face of the Bill that you passed last year which would deny places of public... funded by public funds, such as the very building you're talking about, to not be in open competition with people who are on the outside in civilian life, so to speak, who pay licenses, who pay taxes, who pay this and that in the sense that 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 they're going... and does the word be... as you use it in your Amendment, does this allow for caterers to come in and have parties and such in direct competition to other people in that business?"
"No, this Amendment and this Bill deals only with day care services, and it requires that these day care services have all of the same licensing standards as any day care service in private industry or in the private marketplace. In addition to that, what this Amendment does is that it allows non-state employees to buy a spot for their child in the facility if there is a spot available. But it... The same requirements apply to this as it would to any day care facility in private industry."
"In other words, they will not enjoy any undue benefits..."
"Any extra benefits..."
"... that would make them that little bit one upmanship on private business."
"No, they will be completely competitive."
"Thank you. Thank you."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Alright. Alright. We will go back to the list of Bills that have been passed over. But in order to give everybody an opportunity to see the Amendments that were filed and so they will hit your desks and you'll note what the content is, we're going to go from the... take it from the top, as it were, from page six and begin again on the Order of House Bills Second Reading. 84 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 So, accordingly, on page six of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 17. Out of the record. 17? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 17, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Terzich, amends House Bill 17 as amended by deleting the title and so forth."
"Yes, Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, I understand that there's other Amendments besides 2, unless the Sponsor is going to withdraw them. There's other Amendments that haven't been printed. If you want to take #2 now, that's fine. I'll see what the people..."
"Well, Mr. Terzich, #3 isn't printed, so why don't we put you on the list to return to you? Alright, we'll do that then. Alright. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, page six of the Calendar, appears House Bill 18, Mr. Homer? Mr. Homer? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 54. Mr. Preston, 54. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 62. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 73. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 76. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 90. Hs. Currie, 90? Ms. Currie. Mr. Clerk, 85 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 are there Amendments that have been filed and not printed on House Bill 90? Amendment #2 has apparently not been circulated, Ms. Currie. So, we'll return to it. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 94. Out of the record. Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 100. Mr. Hartke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 100, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 or 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Countryman."
"Mr. Cullerton."
"Once again, I believe Amendment #4 has not been printed and distributed. Perhaps the Sponsor might want to come back to it after it's been printed and distributed."
"Mr. Clerk, is that... 4 has not been printed. Alright. Mr. Hartke, we'll try and return to you today. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 115. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 159. 159, Mr. Ronan. Out of the record. 160, Mr. Ronan. Out of the record. 164, Mr. Capparelli. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 175, Mr. Bullock. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 200, Mr. Levin. 200. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 202. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 209, 86 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." May 14, 1985
"House Bill 209, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Tate."
"Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Tate, on Floor Amendment #1. Yes, Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"I think we have a Floor Amendment #2 on this that hasn't been printed and distributed, don't we?"
"2 has not been printed? Mr. Cullerton, 2 is not printed. Courteous as always. Out of the record. Much as the Chair doesn't... would like to stay on one Order of Business, apparently there are not a lot of Amendments that have been printed and distributed which are crutial and key to placing these Bills on Third Reading. So we will go to the Order of Second Reading Short Debate on page two of the Calendar. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 354, Mr. Steczo. 354. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 479. Mr. McCracken? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House... Short Debate, House Bill 497, Mr. Ropp. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 497, a Bill for an Act to add part 14 to Article XII of the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1 and 87 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 22"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"No questions. Thank you."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 578. Mr. Curran, 578? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 578, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Ropp, amends House Bill..."
"Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to withdraw that Amendment, please."
"Amendment #2 will be withdrawn. I'm sorry, excuse me. Mr. Curran, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In order for Amendment #3 to be technically correct of Representative Ropp's, I move to table Amendment #1 which was adopted in Committee."
"Alright. The Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Curran, moves to table Amendment #1. All those in favor... Is there any discussion? There being none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the 88 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment #3, offered by Representative Ropp, amends House Bill 578 on page one by..."
"Alright. The Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Curran, moves to table Amendment #1. All those in favor... Is there any discussion? There being none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment #3, offered by Representative Ropp, amends House Bill 578 on page one by..."
"Amendment #3, Gentleman from McLean."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #3 actually sets up a certain procedure by which people who make suggestions for saving state dollars in State Government will be rewarded in terms of their award payments based on the amount of money that actually is saved as a result of their suggestion and the implementation thereof. I welcome your support."
"Gentleman from McLean has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 578. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, Representative Ropp, just to impress upon you the fact that when you read the Bills very carefully, your Amendment #3..."
"This is an Amendment. This is not a Bill."
"Amendment #3..."
"Yeah."
"... if you look at it, it says a scale with regard to how much the... based on how much the saving is and how much the award will be." 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"The award is. Right."
"Now let me ask you a hypothetical. May 14, 1985 What happens if the savings is $5000.50? What is the award?"
"$5000.50?"
"Right."
"Okay. Then that particular bill amount would be either 500 dollars or a certificate of merit as determined by the Board."
"But you say that... that's if the award goes from one dollar up to 5000 dollars. I'm suggesting that the savings is $5000.50."
"According to this Amendment, that person is not even considered. He'll probably get a certificate."
"That's right. In other words, there's a 99 cent gap in each one of your savings on the left, right?"
"That's right."
"So, we're just... we just to make it clear with this Amendment that it's..."
"I know, I... I guess that's what happened. I have to watch it closer, because the Amendments drafted it, and I'm just going to have to watch it a little closer."
"So, if somebody saves $20,000.50, they don't get an award. But if they save 20,000 on the head, they get 500 dollars."
"I'm sure the Committee will make proper indication. And those people who make those significant changes, will take care of those people in due time."
"You mean, so it's your intent that they should get an award."
"Sure. Sure."
"Or maybe they should just kind of fudge a little bit as to how much they really saved.":
"No, they could always make it look a bit less, see, and 90 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE then they'd be qualified. We don't want them to fall in that grey area at all."
"But there is a grey area in the Bill."
"It looks like it's a little bit shady. A little bit."
"Okay. I don't have any further questions. I think this is an interesting Amendment."
"You think it's a good idea anyway, don't you?"
"Further discussion? Being none, Mr. Ropp, to close."
"I move that we support this good Amendment to the Speaker's Bill."
"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 604. Thank you, Mr. Ropp. I appreciate you. Out of the record, but we'll get back to you. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 773. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 773, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of certain trades and occupations. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 850. Mr. Davis, 850? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 356. Mr. O'Connell, 856? Mr. O'Connell. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 895. Mr. Bowman? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 895, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 904. Mr. McAuliffe? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. No, Mr. Clerk, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 964, Mr. Ropp. Mr. Ropp. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 375. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 975, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Brunsvold, amends House Bill 975 on page two..."
"Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the Reference Bureau tried to enroll Amendments 1 and 2 they were technically incorrect. Amendment 3 addresses the... those two Amendments and puts it in correct form. I would ask, at 92 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 this time, Mr. Speaker, to table Amendments 1 and 2."
"The Gentleman from Rock Island moves to table Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 975. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendments #1 and 2 be tabled?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendments #1 and 2 are tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, by Brunsvold."
"Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, on Floor Amendment #3."
"Amendment 3 corrects the language problem we had in Amendment 1 and 2, and it's the same basically... it is the same language in correct form that Amendment 1 and 2 had. So I would move for the adoption of Amendment #3."
"Gentleman from Rock Island moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 975. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
1 Clerk O'Brien: "Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Greiman, amends House Bil 975 as amended by deleting the title and so forth."
"Take it out of the record for a minute, Mr. Speaker."
"On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1016. We will take out 975 out of the record and get back there. Yes, Mr. Clerk, 1016, read the Bill. Alright. With respect to House Bill 975, it will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Not out of the record, but it's on the Order of Second Reading. Now, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Debate, appears House Bill 1016. Mr. May 14, 1985 Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1016, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Humane Care for Animals Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cullerton."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Mr. Speaker, I believe that this Amendment is going to require some explanation. There was some misunderstanding among some groups concerned about this cruelty to animals, that this Amendment in some way gutted the Bill. And I've received a number of phone calls, and I've tried to return as many as I can to explain to them what it does. Those who I've spoke with understand what the Amendment does and are not opposed to it. I am in favor of the Bill, and I'm not trying in any way to gut the Bill. What the Bill says is real simple; that no person or owner may beat, cruelly treat, torment, starve, overwork or, otherwise, abuse any animal and no one may abandon any animal where it may become a public charge or may suffer injury, hunger or exposure. One of the things we're doing with this Bill is to increase the penalties from a Class C misdemeanor for which you can go to jail for 30 days up to a Class B misdemeanor for which you can go to jail for a half a year. Now, there was no mental state put into the Bill, and I just thought, as we do with many Bills, add a mental state, in this case, 'knowingly' before the word 'beat' in the statute. But apparently people thought to have a knowingly Section that this was some kind of a 94 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 defense to being prosecuted and that you could say, 'I didn't know what the law was, so I can't be prosecuted'. Well, that's not the case. This just says that in a criminal law when people go to jail for six months, that we don't have strict liability, that we... like you do with, say, a speeding violation. When we're talking about misdemeanors when people go to jail and lose their liberty for six months in jail, that you can't just accidentally do... perform one of these acts and end up going to jail. So, we are talking about making it a criminal offense for someone who intentionally does these bad things to animals, and if they do, then they go to jail. So that's what the Amendment does. It simply adds the word 'knowingly' to the mental state. I have spoken with a number of people who have called me registering opposition to the Amendment. And once I explained it to them, I believe that they understood. I'd be happy to answer any questions."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1016. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As first Sponsor on the Bill, I'd like to ask for a parliamentary inquiry. First, am I to understand that I am the only one allowed to address the Bill because it's on Short Debate, or do I have to take it off?"
"No. This is the Amendment process. We're on Second Reading. On Second Reading, we have full and open debate on the Amendments."
"Alright, thanks, because it's my intention to allow Representative Olson and Representative Klemm to also, who are also Sponsors of the Bill, to address this..."
"Proceed." 95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"... and we May 14, 1985 uniformly oppose the Amendment. Now this Bill was brought to me initially by the Will County Health Department. There was an incidence that happened in Will County, a fellow by the name of 'Bower' who is a professional farmer. He shows sheep professionally and raises purebred stock. So, he's no kook. He knows what he's doing. And he had on his farm at the time of this incident 17 cows who were dead, 36 sheep out of his show sheep who were dead, one pony with a broken leg walking around the farm completely untreated, and then he had an assortment of 25 to 30 other animals varying degrees walking around the farm aimlessly trying to search for food in the middle of winter, frozen ground, snow all over, no water, no food or anything. Now the man was subsequently arrested and brought to trial in Will County and was... in the end of it all was he was fined 50 bucks. And I think in this case, and maybe this is even an exceptional case, but nevertheless, it did happen. We don't want it to happen again. The Will County Health Board doesn't want it to happen. They feel that the penalty is the opposite, and I reiterate, the opposite of killing the fly with 155 milimeter cannon. So, I don't want to go for overkill, but I'd at least want the penalty to be... at least come close to the... with the crime compared with now. What Representative Cullerton is doing with the knowingly phrase, which he is so popular for putting in legislation, is absolutely, in my judgement, and I'm sure you'll hear from the rest of the Sponsors of the Bill, absolutely gutting the Bill. I can just give you one example that I will give you just to illustrate the point. I can say that, hey, I'm a kind of a drinker. Out here on the farm it gets to be a little lonely, and I drink once in a while to excess. And this month I just happened to go on a good 96 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 binge and I just wasn't paying attention to my job. I was drunk, and I didn't know what I was doing really. So, therefore, I did not harm my animals knowingly. I submit to the Membership that if a fellow can go to court by killing 17 and 36, which is a total of 53 animals by neglect and get off with a 50 dollar fine that he can convince the Judge that he really wasn't within his faculties and so, therefore, he would get off with even less. He may be even judged not guilty with Representative Cullerton. So, in my own ineptness, I'm just trying to say to you that we really consider that Representative Cullerton's dedication to this word that he puts in a lot of Bills, 'knowingly', really guts our Bill and denies us the whole idea of the Bill, firstly. So, I would ask the Membership to pay attention to the rest of the speakers and deny him the Bill and vote 'no' on Amendment #1."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of both Gentlemen. It's a good Bill, and the inclusion of the mental state does not gut the Bill. As a matter of fact, if you didn't have a mental state and you had a Class B misdemeanor, you may have an unconstitutional Bill. I've just been looking over the statutes regarding mental state in the Criminal Code, and, Representative Van Duyne, I think we need the word 'knowing' in there and I'll tell you why. If we don't have the mental state in there, it's what we call an absolute liability crime. It doesn't matter whether you acted negligently, intentionally, accidentally. If you cause the ax resulting in the criminal offense, you're guilty. Now, absolute liability, according to the Code, may not be imposed except for petty offenses. This is not a petty offense. As a matter of fact, the Bill 97 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day prior to the Amendment today is probably unconstitutional or illegal. If it's not a petty offense, it can't be absolute liability. We're making it a Class B misdemeanor which is punishable by up to six months in jail and/or a 500 dollar fine. Now, let me get back to what 'knowingly' means. Knowingly doesn't mean that he intended to do it or that he was trying to harm the animal by his conduct. Knowingly is defined as knowledge or knowledge of the probability that your activities will result in the harm which is the subject of the statute. So we're not talking about a person being able to come in and say, 'Ah, gee, I didn't really know what I was doing'. The Judge is going to be able to sit there and say, 'You knew what you were doing or you know that it... or you should have known that it created a probability of harm and; therefore, you comport with the requirement of knowledge. I don't think it guts the Bill. I think to not have a mental state would be an illegal Act, and I'm in favor of both of the prior speakers."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd just like to speak to the Amendment and relate an incident in our county similar to Representative Van Duyne's. I'm not quite sure how unknowingly you could leave a herd of 17 cattle die with manure up to their hips and wind up with a 500 dollar fine and probation and a statement to the state's attorney that he never would do it again. There are many people in the State of Illinois adverse to people throwing cats into fire and when the cat jumps out of the fire throw them back in until the cat dies. I think we have to send a strong message to the people that if they deal with animals in this fashion they 98 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 should be treated with in a very firm matter. Now, I don't think a Class A misdemeanor is in the category of being unreasonable. Therefore, I would ask everyone to not support and to defeat Amendment #1 to House Bill 1016."
"Further discussion? Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor of the Amendment yield for a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Cullerton, just a couple questions if I may. Class A misdemeanor is what - one year or 1000 dollars? Up to? Is that what the penalty is..."
"Yes. Class A is one year in jail."
"Then what would a Class B... that you're trying to change it from a Class A to a..."
"Six months."
"So, you're lowering the penalty for people who would knowingly do these terrible things to abuse animals?"
"That's right."
"And why is that?"
"We discussed it in Committee, and I thought that since that... right now it's a Class C misdemeanor, we'd thought we'd raise it to a Class B would be an increase enough. Thirty days to six months."
"Alright. The second question that I have is that if the example that Representative Van Duyne used about a person who mistreated, maltreated and actually didn't care for these various animals is found to have been drunk, is he then excused from knowingly doing what he did because of his mental state?"
"No, the guy would still be found guilty under this law, even with this Amendment being passed."
"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker, if I may. Several years ago in 99 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 my area of McHenry and Lake Counties and the northwestern part, we founded and created a group called Helping Falls Animal Welfare Group of which I was the president for a number of years. One of the charges that we did was to go after, if we could, those individuals who were, in our opinion, almost deliberately trying to mistreat animals. Let me give you an example of the very first case that we brought to court that was almost similar to Representative Van Duyne. We had 37 barnyard animals, unfortunately, that were just not simply fed, not given any water, not given anything. The person really was found not guilty because one of his reasons was that he had asked the neighbor boy to take care of it, and he took off and was gone for several months. Well, I guess he didn't knowingly know that something was going to happen. But I'll be doggone what did happen was that we had a tremendous, tremendous, sad experience when we went to that farmyard and found 37 dead animals of all kinds. I don't know if the knowingly does much as far as the constitutional question is concerned, but I certainly know it takes away the intent of the Sponsors of this Bill, the intent, I think, of anybody who really cares about animals and then lessens the penalty. You know, if we're going to say that they've knowingly done something, then if that's the case, you wish to use that word, and I don't think it's necessary, but then to go to court and say that the worst you'll do is six months or up to 500 dollars when they have deliberately abused not just barnyard animals but your domestic animals and pets and everything else that may be theirs and may not be, then I think we have really tried to make this another slap on the wrist for something that's far more serious than I think what this Amendment purports to do. I think really the Bill as was drafted is proper. I think it puts 100 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 finally some teeth that the Judges, if they wish to give six months, they wish to give one month, could do SO. But on those cases where they really need to send a message home to those who have done this deliberately and for those who did it to at least leave the Class A misdemeanor as the penalty. I would ask the people on this side of the aisle... and both sides of the aisle that those who care about the abuse to animals and want to try to put it into it would reject this Amendment."
"Further discussion? Mr. Churchill, Gentleman from Lake."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He'll yield for questions."
"Representative Cullerton, does your Amendment, which is going on this Bill, will it also include home pets, like dogs and cats?"
"My Amendment doesn't say anything about home pets."
"Okay, but as it's attached to the Bill then, if someone knowingly overworked a home pet, would that be included?"
"That's what their Bill... that's what their Bill would do."
"Okay. So I see then if somebody...
"But you only can go to jail for six months for that."
"Ob, okay."
"Under my Amendment. You can go to jail for a year under their Amendment (sic Bill)."
"I see. So, if somebody had a dog and they just chased that dog around and around and around and overworked it, that would be subject to your Amendment, correct?"
"Right, but again, my Amendment would say that they could go to jail for six months instead of a full year."
"So, in other words, if somebody were putting dogs on 101 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 a track and racing them around and around and around, like at a dog race and they overworked that dog, and they did it knowingly, they would receive less time imprisonment than they would under just Representative Van Duyne's Bill."
"Right, but if they did it unintentionally, under this Bill they would go to jail, and that's why I suggested the Amendment. But you know I've been listening to the debate, and I think... I think that Representative Klemm has really convinced me that perhaps what we should do with this Bill is to pass it just the way it was drafted and get tough on the... have a little strict liability with regard to treating and abusing animals. And so, I'd like to withdraw the Amendment."
"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Mr. Clerk, I'm advised... is this correct that there is a Corrections impact note filed?"
"A request for a Corrections impact note."
"Accordingly, the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Alright, we'll just back up for just a moment. Yes, Mr. Van Duyne, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"We have been waiting a long time, and I had known from other people, not Representative Cullerton, that this Bill was being amended. And it's been on the Calendar for a few days, if you would bother to look, and I'm just wondering why you would want to hold the Bill on Second Reading."
"Well, there's been a request for a pension impact note... or a Corrections impact note, Mr. Van Duyne. And without the appropriate Motions we can't waive that. Mr. Bullock, for what purpose do you seek 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day recognition?"
May 14, 1985 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just on a point of order. I want to take the time just for the Gentleman's benefit and explained to him the I am the proud author of this prison pension impact note, myself and Senator Sangmeister from the Senate. I think you'll recall in the 83rd General Assembly that, in fact, the purpose of the note was to ascertain the impact on our penal systems in Illinois based on the actions we take here in the General Assembly of whether or not it will have a cost impact on the penal system or the Department of Corrections, not unlike the impact we have for fiscal impact on agencies of State Government or with our Mandates Act when we impose various requirements on units of local government. That is the genesis of it, Mr. Speaker."
"Well, we... the Chair has ruled that there is a Corrections impact note properly filed, and it will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order... Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 975. Mr. Brunsvold, yes. Read 975 again, would you please?"
"House Bill 975, a Bill for an Act to amend..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Van Duyne, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry I interrupted, but I would like to know whether or not I'm relieved of the responsibility for providing that impact note or who has to do it."
"Under our rules, I believe that the Sponsor, if he wants to move the Bill to the Order of Third Reading, he ought to better do it."
"Thank you..."
"Mr. Clerk, continue."
"House Bill 975, a Bill for an Act to amend the 103 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Criminal Code. This Bill has been read a second time previously. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 vere tabled. Floor Amendment #3 has been adopted."
"Mr. Klemm, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Parliamentary inquiry."
"Yes, Mr. Klemm?"
"If the impact note for the Corrections on 1610 is filed, will it then be automatically moved to Third Reading?"
"No, we'll have to get back to it. Alright. Amendment #... Are there further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Greiman."
"Withdrawn, withdrawn. Is there... Are there any ... Let's see. A fiscal note request has been made, and that's been withdrawn, too. Is that right, Mr. Clerk?"
"The request for a fiscal note has been withdrawn."
"Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 964. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill"
"House Bill 964, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Alright now on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1053, Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1053, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act for the regulation of pawn brokers. 104 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Brunsvold."
"Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to withdraw Amendment #1."
"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Brunsvold."
"Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, on Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 addresses the request of Committee upgrading the penalties for breaking the Pawn Shop Act. The original request by me in the Committee was..."
"Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Excuse me, Mr. Speaker, a question. Has this been distributed?"
"Mr... The Clerk advises me it has not been distributed. Mr. Brunsvold, you want to take it out of the record for awhile?"
"Yes, yes, Mr. Speaker."
"Alright. House Bill 1053 is out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1057. Mr. Richmond? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1083. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1129. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1177. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 105 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"House Bill 1177, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Baccaleuriate Assistance Law for Registered Nurses. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1 and 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Vinson."
"Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Floor Amendment #3. Yes, Mr. McCracken, you going to take that? Chair recognizes Mr. McCracken."
"Mr. Vinson's on his way over I wonder if we could wait for just a minute."
"Well, you could proceed if you wish or..."
"Alright, I'll take it."
"Speak slowly, and I'll recognize him."
"Okay. This Amendment... I have no idea what this Amendment does. Can we wait for Representative Vinson?"
"Yes, Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"I think we could probably save the problem. There's an Amendment #4 that hasn't been printed and distributed. So maybe you can take it out of the record."
"Well, Mr. Ronan, what's your pleasure?"
"Let's move the Bill. Representative Vinson's Amendment is going to be defeated anyway. So let's just vote it down."
"You have to move to table Representative Vinson's Amendment."
"I move to table Amendment #3."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan, moves to 106 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 table Amendment #3 to House Bill 1177. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Davis."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, I guess here we go again. I remind Representative Cullerton of his speech of just about an hour ago, Mr. Cullerton, about courtesy. Was it courtesy? You're voting 'no' on the tabling Amendment. But nevertheless, Representative Ronan, why don't we take it out. As a matter of fact, Representative Vinson's here right now. Maybe we ought to hear the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."
"Further discussion? Gentleman from... Mr. Vinson, you have filed Amendment #3 to House Bill 1177. The Amendment has not yet been printed, although it has been filed. Mr. Ronan has moved to table Amendment #3 to House Bill... It's printed, right? But not distributed. You wish... And distributed. Exactly. Well, Mr. Ronan, your Motion to table is not out of order, strictly speaking, even though the Amendment has been printed and distributed. However, you might want to give Mr. Vinson an opportunity to roll with his Amendment. Alright. Mr. Ronan withdraws the Motion to table. And on Amendment #3, the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I want to thank Mr. Ronan for withdrawing his Motion to table the Amendment. I also want to say that during the course of the afternoon, certain objections to the Amendment have been raised, and we've had the staff vigorously research those objections to the Amendment. It's my intention, at this time, to withdraw Amendment #3, because Amendment #3 is not needed in the current nursing economic situation."
"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further 107 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Vinson."
"Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Amendment #4."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would also withdraw Amendment #4 because we cannot, at this point, demonstrate that it's appropriate."
"Amendment #4 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Ronan."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan, on Amendment #5."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #5 has been a request by the Department of Public Health to clarify the intent of the legislation. It's offered by myself and Representative Ryder. I move for its adoption."
"Excuse me. Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"I usually... I'm not the first one to get it, but I haven't gotten #5 yet. Has this been printed and distributed?"
"Mr. Clerk, has Amendment #5 been printed and distributed? No, it has not. Mr. Ronan, Amendment #5, your own Amendment, has not yet been printed and distributed. Would you like to table..."
"Yeah, I move to table Amendment #5."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan, moves to table Amendment #5. All... Is there any discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye... Oh, yes. It's your Amendment. You could just withdraw it, Mr. Ronan. So, Amendment #5 is withdrawn. Further Amendment?" 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1184, Mr. Rea. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1187. Mr. Saltsman, 1187. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1193. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1193, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Stern."
"Lady from Lake, Ms. Stern, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker... Mr. Speaker, Amendment #2 had an error in it which Representative McCracken called to our attention. I would like to withdraw Amendment #2 and propose Amendment #3 which is..."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Stern."
"The Lady from Lake, on Amendment #3."
"Amendment #3 incorporates that which Amendment #2 wanted to do which was to make these canvasses to be provided by the election authority's either typed or computer generated, but since Amendment #2 had a typographical error in it, this is a correction of that."
"The Lady from Lake moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1193. And on that, is there any 109 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1206. Mr. Pangle? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1206, a Bill for an Act to provide funding for higher educational assistance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 207 (sic -1207). Mr. Clerk, read that Bill."
"House Bill 1207, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections in the title of an Act relating to employees of elected county officers in Illinois in connection with real estate tax forfeitures... foreclosures. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cullerton."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 1207."
"Yes, this Amendment simply defines the term 'relative' that's found in the Bill."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1207. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel." 110 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield to a question, please?"
"Yes."
"Indicates he'll yield to a question."
"You say it defines relatives. What relatives does it define as?"
"Relative shall be defined as the spouse or child or the spouse of a child, including a child by adoption."
"What about parents? Aren't they relatives?"
"No."
"I'm just asking."
"No."
"No, parents aren't relatives according to this."
"Not pursuant to this Amendment."
"Okay, fine. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1258. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1258, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to authorize units of government in the State of Illinois to issue full faith in credit tax anticipation notes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Amendment #1 was tabled previously. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Kirkland."
"Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland, on Amendment 111 39th Legislative Day #2." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 does the same thing that Amendment #1 did. Amendment #1 had some drafting problems and move for passage of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland, moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1258. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, could you describe to us what Amendment #2 does?"
"Yes. The Bill itself amends, in various ways, the tax anticipation notes Section of the statute. And Section 823 of that Act refers to interest rates that can be charged on these notes. The Amendment would bring that Section of the Notes Act in line with a general Section - public corporations interest rates in the banking and financing statute, Section 6602 which describes more acceptable rate for various bonds and indebtedness instruments for municipal governments."
"Will this have the effect of raising the rates or lowering the rates?"
"Excuse me?"
"Will this have the effect of raising the rates or lowering the rates?"
"Both of them are in language of not to exceed. In one part of the language I think it goes from eight percent to nine percent and; otherwise, the language itself talks about percentage - 125 percent of... I can read it to you."
"So the Bill still will allow for a tax increase, right?"
"Come on, come on."
"Yes?" 112 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"NO. Tax increase? Come on."
"Okay. We'll talk about that later"
"Okay, fine," May 14, 1985
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1306.. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1323, Mr. Washington. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1323, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1382. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1382, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1389, Mr. Keane. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1389, a Bill for an Act to amend 113 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Sections of an Act in relation to the audits of the accounts of certain governmental units and to repeal an Act herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1411, Mr. Homer. Mr. Homer, 1411? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill"
"House Bill 1411, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Physical Fitness Service Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1417, Ms. Braun. 1417. Alright, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1417, a Bill for an Act in relation to the powers and duties of the State Comptroller. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Braun."
"Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun, on Amendment #2."
"Only if you'll stop laughing, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is a technical Amendment. It does bring the Bill into conformity by expanding the automatic deposit Section of 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day the legislation. an May 14, 1985 Here. It simply makes a redefinition or expansion on the automatic departments... deposit Sections of the legislation."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun moves for the adoption of House Amendment #2 to House Bill 1417. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Harris."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates she'll yield for a question."
"Representative, just a question. This allows for electronic funds transfers or automatic deposits for a very specific item, I believe. Do you think the Comptroller would be agreeable to allowing electronic funds transfers or direct deposits for all of his transactions?"
"No. Well, I don't know if he would be amenable to it at some other point on some other Bill, but on this specific Bill, this Bill was specifically drafted and limited in its impact."
"I see. Thank you."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."
"I must commend the Lady for taking lessons, I think, from Representative Giorgi in her explanation of the Amendment. I wasn't quite sure. I caught the first two words and the last three. But would she make it a little bit clearer exactly what this Amendment does one more time?"
"Thank you, Representative. The Amendment simply makes a technical change having to do with the electronic transfer provision of the legislation to assure that checks that we deposit can actually go via electronic deposit. Right now they have to mail them."
"What did Committee Amendment #1 do if that's what Amendment #2 does?" 115 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Amendment #2, as I understand, is simply a cleanup on Amendment #1."
"Because the way I understand Amendment #2, unless I'm wrong, it expands. Amendment #1 was for personal services. The Amendment #2 expands to personal plus city services. So in other words, anything that... the Comptroller could end up making transfers for city services, correct?"
"No, no, no, absolutely not."
"This is anti-units of local government receiving payments from the Job Training Partnership Act. Units of local government, to me, would be cities."
"Yes, but that's, again, a very specific issue going to just the JPTA money."
"My next question is, why do we have to have this?"
"Because now, as I understand it, these payments are mailed and this will just simply allow them to be supermailed with the electronic transfer. That's all."
"What... you know, my... so we're expanding on that. Why don't... you know, why didn't the Bill, you know, cover all payments of the Comptroller? You're sitting here covering one area of the Comptroller and so it seems like special interest legislation for people who are workers under this Act, and I don't have the slightest who the workers are... the people receiving money under this Act. But you're sitting here saying that one area here... I mean, the Comptroller sends out literally thousands and thousands of pieces and, all of a sudden now, we're talking about an extra added cost to the state to throw it into a... you know, an electronic funds transfer where it would be going through the normal check process."
"No, Sir."
"Is it something so they get paid faster?"
"I'm sorry." 116 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Do they get paid faster on this?"
May 14, 1985 "Representative Piel, you know, the legislation could be broader, but it's not. The legislation is very specific. It is very specifically drafted and all that Amendment 2 does is add a transfer that is presently being made by mail to the electronic transfer Section, and that is the specific JPTA money."
"But you still haven't gotten to my question. Why do they do it on EFTS? Why do they do it under EFTS instead of by check when they send the rest of the amount under check? I think Representative Cullerton wants you to take it out of the record. But it doesn't matter to me. Whatever you want to do."
"It sounds like that."
"All I want is my question answered. It doesn't matter to me, but I want the question answered."
"Representative, it appears that Representative Cullerton needs to look... wants to look at the Amendment since you raised the questions. There is nothing here to see. I will say that to you now. But so that everyone will be satisfied that there is nothing here to see, I will call the Bill out of the record."
"Thank you."
"Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1429. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill"
"House Bill 1429, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the General Not-For-Profit Corporation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Levin, amends..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on 117 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Amendment #1 to House Bill 1429."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 is basically technical in nature. It applies the provisions of the Bill which deal with residential co-ops to... residential co-ops that are business corporations as well as not-for-profit corporations."
"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1429. And is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"I'm sorry. Would you repeat, Ellis, very briefly what the Amendment does?"
"Yeah. The underlying Bill deals with residential cooperatives and it applied to residential cooperatives organized under the Not-For-Profit Corporation Act. The Amendment extends the provisions of the Bill to cover residential cooperatives who are... that are organized as business corporations."
"What would dictate under which Act a cooperative would organize?"
"The option is available to a residential co-op to organize under either statute or, for that matter, to organize out of state under the laws of Delaware or any other state. "
"So their goals or organization or profit motive is not necessarily the deciding factor in deciding whether to organize under either of the Acts?"
"Right."
"Okay. Okay. Thank you. No questions."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. Amendment #1 is 118 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1430. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1430, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning land titles. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Levin."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 simply adds an immediately effective date to this legislation."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun, on Amendment #1."
"Not on Amendment #1, Mr. Speaker. I had the light on. I'd like to raise a parliamentary inquiry as soon as you're done with this."
"Alright, fine. Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Levin."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Floor Amendment #2."
"Withdraw Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?" 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
May 14, 1985 "Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Levin."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Floor Amendment #3."
"Amendment #3 simply changes the Section reference to conform this Bill to its companion Bill in the Senate."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, moves for the... I'm sorry. Excuse me. Yes... moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1430. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"This Amendment was also requested by our good friend, Bus Yourell?"
"Yes, it conforms... This is, you know, this and the next Bill are both Bus's Bills."
"Good. Okay. Thank you."
"And it conforms it to the Bill in the Senate."
"Good."
"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ms. Braun, for what purpose do Braun: you seek recognition?" "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It appears that Mr. Cullerton now has a copy of this Amendment which was printed and distributed on House Bill 1417."
"Yes, we're going to go back to 1417 right now. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1417, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the State Comptroller. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Motion with respect to Amendment #1?" 120 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Braun."
"Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker, I am embarrassed and I apologize. It seems that... I was just told that Mr. Cullerton had seen the Amendment, and it appears that he has not. I would like in courtesy for him to have an opportunity to take a look at it. The other side of the aisle has certainly taken a look at it. The Amendment is non-controversial on a non-controversial Bill. I understand he wants to..."
"Alright. We'll just take it out of the record for a little while. We'll get back to you, Ms. Braun."
"Thank you."
"On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1431. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1431, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning land titles. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Levin."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Amendment #1, Mr. Speaker, simply adds an immediate effective date to this Bill, as we did to the last Bill"
"Well, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1431. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the 121 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Levin,"
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Floor Amendment #2."
"Withdraw Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Levin."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, on Amendment #3."
"Amendment #3 simply adds the language 'certificates not issued prior to the effective date of this amendatory Act of 1985'. Purely technical in nature."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1431. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1455. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1455, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to state revenue sharing with local entities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments." 122 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1458. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1458, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hannig."
"The Gentleman from Macoupin, Mr. Hannig."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment simply adds an effective date to this Bill, and I'd move for its adoption."
"Gentleman from Macoupin has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1458. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1530. Mr. Hallock, 1530? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1565. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1565, a Bill for an Act to commit payment by credit and of fines and costs in relation to traffic misdemeanor offenses. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Countryman." 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"The May 14, 1985 Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 1565."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #1."
"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Countryman."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 to Hosue Bill 1565 sets the payment schedule for the service charge for a fee when a credit card would be used under the Bill. That service fee would equal three dollars or the amount charged the clerk for the use of the services by the credit card user or whichever is greater. This Amendment was discussed in Committee, and I believe it's in good order and would ask it to be adopted."
"Gentleman from DeKalb moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1565. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1568. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill"
"House Bill 1568, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 124 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1571, Mr. Huff. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1582. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1599, Mr. Nash. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1775, Ms. Currie. Out of the record. Mr. Curran, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have leave of the Body to place House Bill 620 on Interim Study."
"Are you the Sponsor of House Bill 620?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I am."
"Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Gentleman asks leave to place House Bill 620 on the Interim Study Calendar. Does the Gentleman have leave? Gentleman has leave, and leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 1776, Ms. Currie. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1806. Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1806, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Stern."
"Lady from Lake, Ms. Stern, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the General Assem... Members of the House, this Amendment simply adds what was House Bill 1805 to what was 1806. These are relatively... I mean, these are entirely noncontroversial Amendments to the Election Code which remove obsolete phrases, correction 125 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 omissions and, in general, are recommendations of the State Board of Elections, the Municipal League and the Association of School Boards."
"Lady from Lake, Ms. Stern, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1806. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Thank you. Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates she'll yield for questions."
"The original Bill, that was a revisory Bill offered by the State Board of Elections, is that correct?"
"Yes, Sir."
"And then the Amendment does what?"
"The Amendment incorporates what was House Bill 1805 into 1806. 1805 was a Bill offered by Representative Olson, and it got caught in a little crossfire in the Committee through no fault of its own and did not get even voted on."
"Okay, well, Representative Stern, if you could perhaps do us a favor. The... If I could quickly read the Amendment, I would try to, but it's 42 pages long."
"Sure, I'll be glad to discuss it with you if you'd like."
"1805, is that the..."
"It is former House Bill 1805 incorporated into House Bill 1806. It does such things as deleting obsolete languages and inconsistencies, nonsubstantive cosmetic changes. It standardizes certain administrative procedures. It creates, for instance, a party managing committee for the office of superintendent of multi-county education service region."
"If you could just give us a few minutes we'll come right back to it."
"Sure."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman... Oh, she asked to take it out of the record. Alright, it will be 126 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1867, Mr. Phelps. 1867. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1867, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act to designate certain areas as state parks. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading appears House Bill... Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 1880, Mr. Ronan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1880, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1889, Mr. Leverenz. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1906. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1924. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1924, a Bill for an Act authorizing the Department of Conservation in the State of Illinois and the metro-east sanitary district a municipal corporation to exchange title to certain parcels of public lands. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Stephens." 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Amendment #1 is a technical Amendment defining certain terms. It doesn't change the Bill at all."
"Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1924. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, I have a question of the Chair as to whether or not this Bill... whether Rule 34(g) would apply to this particular Bill. Will the Sponsor yield for a question, Mr. Speaker?"
"Excuse me. We're just looking at your parliamentary inquiry. We'll be with you in a second, Mr. Cullerton. Alright. Mr. Cullerton, proceed with your question while the Chair is considering the inquiry. Proceed, Mr. Cullerton."
"Can't talk without a microphone on. Representative Stephens, the question I have is simply to find out whether or not the Amendment changes the conveyance which as originally drafted in the Bill was between two governmental bodies, to see whether or not it makes it an exchange between a public body and a private individual."
"No, it does not. It's an exchange of land between the State of Illinois, that being the Department of Conservation, and another government body, that being the metro-east sanitation district."
"In Madison-St. Clair?"
"Yes, Sir."
"Okay. And the Amendment just..."
"The Amendment changes some technical errors in the Bill, that being the spelling of some words, also the exact 128 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 description of some acreage."
"Just out of curiosity now that we're on this particular Bill. What is the value of the two parcels of land?"
"The monetary value was expressed to me to be roughly the same. The acreage is comparable. It's a Bill that I got from the Department. The Department of Conservation sat down with the metro-east sanitation district. Some lands that each of them wish to have exchanged. And I'm carrying the Bill for them and..."
"And you don't represent Madison-St. Clair County do you?"
"I'm sorry."
"You don't have any... you don't have Madison-St. Clair County in your district, do you?"
"Yes, Sir. The bulk of my district is in Madison County?"
"This is in your district?"
"This particular land is not, Sir."
"I see. Okay."
"But it's very close."
"Thank you very much."
"Mr. Cullerton, with respect to your inquiry, 34 (g) applies only to conveyances between the state and a private party and not between the state and another governmental agency. Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1954. Mr. 129 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Vinson? Mr. McCracken, are you... Out of the record. Okay. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1957. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill"
"House Bill 1957, a Bill for an Act in relation to the eradication of bovine, tuberculosis and bovine brucellosis in Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Countryman and Olson."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #2 to House Bill 1957."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Countryman and Olson."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #3."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #3."
"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Countryman and Olson."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #4."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #4."
"Amendment #4 is withdrawn."
"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Countryman and Olson."
"Amendment... Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. 130 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 Countryman, on Amendment #5."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #5."
"Amendment #5 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Countryman and Olson."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #6."
"Amendment #6 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Yes, Mr. McMaster. Yes, Mr. McMaster, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now that we have this taken care of, I think Mr. Countryman originally objected to this Bill being on Consent Calendar. I would ask it to be put back on Consent."
"Alright. Mr. McMaster asks leave of the House to return House Bill 1957 to the Order of Consent Calendar Second Day. Does the Gentleman have leave? Third... No, make it Third Reading First Day. Does the Gentleman have leave? Alright. Leave is granted, and House Bill 1957 will be return to the Order of Consent Calendar Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1961, Mr. McAuliffe. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 1973, Mr. Hoffman. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2079. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2088, Mr. Nash. Mr. Nash. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2088, a Bill for an Act in, relation to the practice of barbering and cosmetology. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in 131 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Committee,"
May 14, 1985 "Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments,"
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2104. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2104, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act creating the Department of Children and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are any Floor Amendments?"
"None,"
"Third Reading. Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2184. Mr. Countryman. 2184. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar, appears House Bill 2185. Out of the record. On the Order of Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2199. Ms. Frederick. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar, appears House Bill 2247. Mr. Daniels or Mr. Levin. Mr. Daniels, do you want to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2247, a Bill for an Act relating to nursing home care and amending Acts herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2262. Mr. Bullock. 2262. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2408. Mr. Clerk, 132 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day read the Bill."
"House Bill 2408, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Countryman."
"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #1."
"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Countryman."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Floor Amendment #2 restores some language which was inadvertently deleted from this Bill. The Bill in essence deals with the procedural aspects of certification to candidates. It was suggested by the State Board of Elections. And the Amendment was likewise suggested by the State Board of Elections to restore language inadvertently deleted. I'd ask for a favorable vote."
"Gentleman from DeKalb moves to adopt... for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2408. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2302. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2302, a Bill for an Act to amend the 133 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act. May 14, 1985 Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2415. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2415, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, William Peterson Nash, amends House Bill 2415 on page three and so forth."
"The Gentleman from... Mr. Peterson, on Amendment #1. Lake. Gentleman from Lake. Mr. Peterson, your microphone is not working. You might... The whole row, I think, is out. You might come forward. Perhaps..."
"I believe this one is working, Mr. Speaker."
"Oh, this one is on. Okay, go ahead, Sir."
"Mr. Speaker, leave to table Amendment 1."
"Alright, withdraw Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, William Peterson Hensel, amends House Bill 2415 on page two and so forth."
"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, Amendment 2 to House Bill 2415 allows alcoholic liquors to be sold at retail in any building owned by a fire protection district and requires such sales to be approved by the district's Board of Trustees and will limit such sales to fund raising events of not more than six per year. I move for adoption of Amendment 2 to 2415."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson, moves 134 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2415. And on that, is there any discussion? Question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, William Peterson, amends House Bill 2415."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson, on Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 3 to House Bill 2415 inserts the word 'judicial' where it had been left out in the original Bill and makes some technical changes. And I move for adoption of Amendment 3 to 2415."
"Gentleman from Lake moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2415. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Indicates he'll yield for a question."
"Representative, does this Amendment affect the original Bill which dealt with the State of Illinois Center in Chicago or does it affect the... Amendment #2 which is the fire protection district or does it affects both?"
"It affects the original Bill."
"Okay. Now, so what you're going to allow for then is the sell of..."
"The sell or dispensing a liquor extended through the judiciary. We had 'legislative' and 'executive', but omitted the word 'judicial', and we're inserting that word."
"So, now you've heard the expression sober as a 135 STATE OF ILLINOIS Buth GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day judge."
"That's correct. I have,"
"And what you want to do with this Amendment is to allow for judges to be able to dispense liquor in the State of Illinois Building."
"That's right. For those offense where they would have individuals in on a... could be a opening of a... a grand opening of a facility or maybe some other social event."
"Well... Could you describe to me the way... if this Amendment doesn't get on, we can have legislative events or executive events? That would be..."
"...discriminating against the judiciary, I believe, Representative."
"Well, perhaps with good reasons, though. Perhaps... Could you give me an idea of what type of judicial event they might have at the State of Illinois Building? There are no courtrooms in there. As I understand, it's not big enough to handle any courtrooms."
"Any social event that might be conducted in the auditorium by someone in the judiciary would be eligible to use..."
"Would the Prisoner Review Board be considered to be a... the Gary Dotson hearing, for example, would that be considered to be a judicial event or all three, judicial, executive and legislative at the same time?"
"I'm not sure, Sir. I'm not an attorney and I wouldn't want to make comment regarding that inquiry."
"But what you want to do is be able to sell liquor at events for judges."
"Dispense liquors. That's correct."
"Okay. Well, I guess it... it will be consistent with the theory of allowing liquor to be sold by anyone at any event, if the Governor says it's okay. You still need 136 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 approval of the controlling government authority?"
"You need approval of Central Management Services."
"Okay. Thank you very much."
"Move for adoption of the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."
"Further discussion? Gentleman from Lake moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2415. And on that, is there any... The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2515. Mr. Ropp. 2515. Mr. Ropp. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2515, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to food, drug and cosmetics. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Floor Amend... Any Motions?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Hallock, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Yes, Mr. Hallock."
"Well, it's not on this Bill. It's on House Bill 2088. So, maybe I can wait until he finish this Order of Business."
"Yes, Mr. Hallock, proceed. What were you asking for?"
"House Bill 2088, Mr. Speaker, has been moved from the Consent Calendar for purposes of Amendment. The Amendment is no longer necessary, and I would ask that it be placed back on the Order of Consent Calendar." 137 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Mr. Hallock, the Gentleman from Winnebago, moves to place... to return House Bill 2088 to the Order of... to Third Reading on the Consent Calendar. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk, to Third Reading? Yes. On the Order of Third Reading, Consent Calendar. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted, and House Bill 2088 will be returned to the Order of Consent Calendar, Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2522. Ms. Koehler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments."
"Floor Amendment #1, Koehler Giorgi, amends House Bill 2522."
"The Lady from Marshall, Ms. Koehler."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to table Amendment #1."
"...withdraw..."
"Excuse me. Yes, withdraw Amendment #1 and make an inquiry as to whether or not Amendment #2 has been printed and distributed."
"Mr. Clerk. No, it's not. So, you want to take it out of the record?"
"Okay."
"Alright. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2525. Mr. Tuerk. 2525, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 2525."
"House Bill 2525, a Bill for an Act relating to various Acts o resolve multiple Amendments or additions to correct technical errors and other patent errors and 138 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day omissions. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None." May 14, 1985
No Committee Speaker Greiman: "Third Reading. Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 17. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 18. Mr. Homer. 18. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 18, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to certain public utility taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed." Amendments?" tfh;7 Speaker Greiman: "Floor
"Floor Amendment #2, Ryder Homer, amends House Bill 18 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Jersey, Mr. Ryder, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This meets one of the objections which has indicated that the Bill did not have an effective date and this does add it; but, if the... I think in a conversation with the Sponsor of the Bill, he indicated that at this point it's no longer necessary and not to hold up the Bill. I would withdraw it."
"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Alright, we were going to move to Some of the Bills that we have passed over and because of Amendments not being prepared. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 62. Mr. Clerk, 139 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day read the Bill."
"House Bill 62, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Greiman, amends House Bill 62 as amended."
"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is a technical Amendment - changes January 1st to July 1st which is what was suppose to be in the original Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, has moved for the passage... for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 62. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Greiman, amends House Bill 62 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Amendment #3."
"This is a technical Amendment as well which changes some references to page and line numbers in House Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 62. All those... Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 (sic - #3) be adopted?' 140 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House... Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a number of Bills. We're going to... We have one more Bill on page six, and then we'll go to take other Bills that have been taken out. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 90. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 90, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Currie, amends House Bill 90 as amended."
"Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie, on Floor Amendment #2.
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment 2 to House Bill 90 makes clear that the intent of the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee is met with respect to this Bill. The Bill itself provides for grants for preschool programs to local school districts. The Amendment clarifies that the local school districts apply to the State Board, and that those grants may actually be made from the local school districts to a variety of other organizations as well."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 90. And on that, is there any discussion. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."
"Question, Mr. Speaker. Has this been printed and 141 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day distributed?" May 14, 1985
"I believe it has been printed and distributed. Yes."
"Because we don't have it over here. If we can get a copy of it, I'd appreciate it."
"Would somebody take... accommodate Mr. Piel? Further discussion? Further discussion? 'Shall Amendment 2 to House Bill 90 be adopted?' Alright. Yes, Ms. Didrickson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yeah, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I will just like to concur with this Amendment. It is the agreed language as Representative Currie has outlined and it is, indeed, correct."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Alright. We are now going to take up Bills that have been passed over in which we now have Amendments for and are, apparently, prepared. On page nineteen of the Calendar appears House Bill 1902. 1902. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1902, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Securities Laws. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Vinson, amends House Bill 1902."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 1902."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. Amendment #1 to this Bill substantially... well, 142 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 really totally rewrites the Bill. Now the Members of the Assembly may recall that two years ago, I believe it was, the Assembly substantially rewrote... the Assembly substantially rewrote the Securities Laws of the State of Illinois in a Bill at that time sponsored by Representative Reilly, myself and Representative Madigan, the Speaker. This fine tunes and makes more manifest the changes that were adopted at that time and sandpapers any rough edges that occurred. The primary... the primary changes in this Amendment are as follows. Mutual funds will, under the Amendment, be handled under Section 7 rather than Section 5. It will permit a quick registration system for mutual funds. Intrastate mutual funds have always been handled under Section 5. The existing treatment under Section 7 has been viewed by both the industry and the Secretary of State's security office as unnecessarily cumbersome. The fee which is... there is a fee change under the treatment in this law. It is not an actuality if the increase were a fee decrease, rather, it goes to a flat fee of one thousand dollars. Currently, there is a sliding scale fee in the law ranging from 500 dollars to 1500 dollars. Under Section 8, dealers, salesmen and investment advisors would be granted the privilege of regulation under reciprocity... registration under reciprocity and temporary regulation, as most of states in this field now provide. Under the... Under Section 11 - Enforcement, authority for the Secretary of State in administrative hearings to levy a 10,000 dollar fine or to provide censure for a salesman broadens the range of remedies which the Secretary of State may apply to a salesman in violation. Currently, we've got a situation where we may only, in effect, disbar somebody violating the Act; and, because of that, the disciplinary system has been substantially inhibited. The Section 13 (D) would change 143 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 the statute of limitations for securities fraud, increasing the length of time that the statute would run. Currently, it's a three year statute. This would change it to a statute where the person... where the purchaser had reason to know or for a maximum of five years to make it easier to gain a civil remedy against a person who committed securities fraud. The... There is similarly an extension of criminal remedies in the Bill so that failure to file can become up to a Class 4 felony if it's done with... if the failure to file is with intent, so that securities fraud is changed from a Class 4 to a Class 3 felony and a second offense to a Class 2 felony. These are serious white collar crimes and we bring them in line with the Chapter 38 provisions on theft of property. Under Section 15(A), the Secretary of State's Office is authorized to issue nonbinding statements of no action, something that the industry desperately desires and that could substantially facilitate security transactions in Illinois. Section 11 would consolidate all of the fees under the Act in that Section. Under Section 2.5(A), we segregate a specific definition of 'offer'. That definition of 'offer' is not changed from what's in the current Act but, by specifically identifying it in one place, facilitates somebody reading it in the statute. Section 4(F)-1 would provide for a manual exemption. What it basically does is to say that registration under the 1934 Act at the federal level, that an issuer exempt under that Act... that an issuer who has filed under that Act is exempt when solicited by a registered dealer... when there's a solicitation by a registered dealer. Section 4(G) clarifies the obligation to file. For the 4(G) exemption under the rewrite in 1983, it became somewhat confusing. You had to read the statute very carefully to understand 144 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1995 that you had... still had an obligation to file for a 4 (G) exemption. This clarifies that. Section 4 (P), the same comment would apply to. Section 4 (H) deals with the exemption for the so-called fat cat, the person with a million dollar network, 200,000 dollar annual income or 150,000 dollar investment, and it makes specific a prohibition against general advertisement to avail yourself of the 4 (H) exemption. 4 (I) makes available the merger exemption under the Act for federally-chartered entities, federal banks and so forth. Mr. Speaker, I believe that this is a good Amendment. I'd be glad to answer any questions on it, and I would move for passage... for adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1902."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt moves for the adoption of House Amendment #1 to House Bill 1902. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he'll yield for questions."
"I just have one question, Representative Vinson. You indicated that you're extending the statute of limitations for security fraud from the current three years to... up to a maximum of five years. Is that intended to be retroactive?"
"No."
"Alright. So that if somebody were to violate... commit an act of security fraud today - and I note this Bill has an effective date of January 1st of 1986 - that the old statute of limitations of three years would apply."
"That's right. It is not our intention to affect litigation in progress."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion? There being none, the 145 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Did you wish to keep the Bill on the Order of Second Reading? Alright. Leave of the House for the Bill to remain on the Order of Second Reading. Gentleman has leave, and House Bill 1902 will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2002, Ms. Breslin. 2002. Okay. Yes, it's already been called, and it should be off of our list of recalls. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2029, on page 22. 2029. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Oh, wait. I'm sorry."
"House Bill..."
"I'm sorry. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Alright. We have to... Alright, we'll do 2029 and then we'll go back to 2022. So, we're on 2029. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2029, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to recorders. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Klemm, amends House Bill 2029."
"Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm, on Floor Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Amendment #1... Amendment #1 to House Bill 2029 changes the amount of $30,000 to now read 'not less than $20,000'. This is exactly the amount that was in current legislation, but we just added the words 'not less than'. And I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2029. Is 146 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2022. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2022, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the disposal of solid waste. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Churchill, amends House Bill 2022."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill, on Floor Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #2 corrects some technical deficiencies where the original Bill redefines solid waste to exclude that material that can be recycled and discontinues the county's relationship with private contracts of private firms and local units of government. I would ask for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill, moves for the adoption of House Amendment #2 to House Bill 2022. Is there any discussion? On that, the Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike."
"Is this printed? Is this Amendment printed?"
"It has not been printed, Mr. Churchill. I assume that you'd like to have it taken out of the record."
"Mr. Speaker, It's been printed and passed around 147 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day this side of the Body." May 14, 1985
"Well... Our records indicate here, it has not been distributed, Mr. Churchill. Would you like to take it out of the record, withdraw it? What's your pleasure, Sir? Take it out of the record. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2053. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2053, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to bonds of minority and female business enterprises. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Ms. Braun, I'm advised that this has not also been... this Amendment has not been... So, we'll pull it out of the record. Withdraw the Amendment? Ms. Braun, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, I'd like to move it on to Third and then I'll refile the Amendment later."
"Alright, so Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Yes. Excuse me. Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"I understand she wants to move it to Third Reading. I just got one question. Is she the Sponsor of the Amendment? Okay, because that was not..."
"She's the Sponsor of the Amendment and she withdrew it."
"...that was not mentioned."
"Okay. Alright."
"Thank you."
"Okay. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 148 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 2108, on page 23. 2108. Mr. DeLeo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2108, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2125. Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2125, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2132. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Ryder, do you wish to proceed on that? 2132. I'm told the Amendments are not printed. So, perhaps, he just better take it out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2147, on page 23. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2147, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2187. That's on page 24 off the Calendar. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2137, a Bill for an Act to create the 143 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Office of Urban Assistance. No Committee Amendments." May 14, 1985
Second Reading of the Bill. Speaker Greiman: "Any Ploor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #31, Braun, amends House Bill 2187."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun, on Floor Amendment #1."
"I move to withdraw Amendment #1,"
"Moves to withdraw Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"There are no further Amendments. However, a fiscal note has been requested. So, the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2138. 2138. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2138, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Corporate Take-Over Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Mr. Churchill, I'm advised by the Clerk that there is... that the Amendment has not been printed and distributed. So... Yes, Mr. Cullerton."
"We were just given a list of those Bills that we're going to be going back to and that wasn't on the list. So, we haven't read the Amendment."
"Alright. Well, we'll take it out of the record, then, to give Mr. Cullerton an opportunity. That's okay. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 21... I'm sorry. 2213, 2213, on page 24. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2213, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois State Auditing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 150 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2261. 2261, on page 25 of the Calendar. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2261, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Ms. Koehler, I am told that this Amendment also has not been filed. So, we'll take it out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2290. Mr. Clerk. Mr... how are we doing on that one? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2290, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Countryman - Hawkinson, amends House Bill 2290."
"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker, I believe Mr. Hawkinson would like to table Amendment #1."
"Mr. Countryman, are you the Sponsor of this Amendment?"
"Of the Amend... of Amendment #2, not of Amendment #1."
"Alright. Mr. Hawkinson, the Chair recognizes you for the purpose of a Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to table #1... Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson, moves to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 2290. And on that, the 151 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Perhaps, before we table, could you tell me what the game plan is on this..."
"Amendment #2, Representative, does the same thing but does it in a more technically correct fashion."
"Fine. No objection."
"The question is, Shall Amendment #1 be tabled? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Countryman - Hawkinson."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is a technical Amendment which corrects some of the deficiencies in Amendment #1. I'd ask its adoption."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2290. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Countryman - Hawkinson, amends..."
"Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #3."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 to House Bill 2290 adds a provision to the Marriage and Dissolution Act, which permits the court and its discretion to allow visitation by a grandparent of a minor child adopted after the death of one spouse but 152 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 adopted by a subsequence spouse where, in essence, you would have one actual natural parent and an adopted parent. There's an Illinois case which indicates that this is not the case because of the deficiency in the Marriage and Dissolution Act. This would correct that. We give the court the discretion to allow visitation in that instance. I believe it's a good Bill with a good Amendment. It would apply to grandparents and great grandparents. And I'd move its adoption."
"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2290. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, the Amendment deals with the same subject matter as the original Bill. Doesn't it?"
"Yes, grandparents visitation rights."
"Okay. Fine, thank you."
"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2328. Excuse me. For what purpose is the people in the back row seems be disturbed?" Ms. Wojcik, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, I seek recognition to have my Bill 2297 called. You've seem to have gone around it."
"Well, I tell you, I wasn't in the Chair all today. I have a list that was prepared by the previous Speaker in the Chair. It indicated Bills that were called previously, taken out of the record, sometime that was... 153 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 apparently, for Amendments, and I'm... Those lists were distributed to both sides of the aisle, and I'm going to continue on that list. Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, if you might, maybe, check your list a little bit closer, because the list was agreed to by both sides does have that Bill number on there."
"Well, look, I have a list in front of me. I'm looking at 2290. The next one is 2328. That's the Bill I'm going to call. Now... Now, I have several Bills that have been passed over today. We'll get back to you. On the Order of House Bills..."
"As long as you'll come back. That's fine."
"Mr. Piel, let me tell you something on this list, Sir. There are 23 Republican Sponsors and 6 Democratic Sponsors. I'm perfectly prepared to put the list aside and go back to House Bill 1."
"You don't have to get testy, Mr. Speaker. You don't have to get testy. I just asked a question."
"Alright. So, I'm going ahead and call on Mr. Regan's Bill. House Bill 2328. Mr. Clerk, read that Bill."
"House Bill 2328, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Regan, amends House Bill 2328."
"Gentleman from Will, Mr. Regan."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, would you please give me leave to table Amendment #1?"
"Table... Amendment #1 withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment..." 154 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Yes, Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, I don't believe that the Gentleman is the Sponsor of House Amendment #1. And so, I think it might be more appropriate for the actual Sponsor to..."
"No, the Clerk read Mr. Regan. House Amendment #1, 2328."
"Well, the Amendment we got distributed says Homer. Maybe, there is more than... Amendment..."
"Well, let's..."
"...more than one Amendment #1."
"Let's back up then... let's back up then. Mr. Clerk, what Amendments do we have filed to House Bill 2328? Mr. Cullerton, the Clerk indicates that there is no... unless he can't find a... an Amendment #1 filed by Mr. Homer to this Bill."
"And does he have an Amendment #1 filed by Representative Regan?"
"Yes. He has a Regan 1 and a Regan 2."
"Okay, we have distributed to us an Amendment #1 to 2328 that has the name of Homer on it and does not... we do not have..."
"Could you read the LRB number of that, Mr. Cullerton?"
"Oh, now we find out the problem. Apparently, Representative Homer drafted an Amendment back in his own office, perhaps, xerox a 118 copies and went around and distributed them by himself apparently, without anybody knowing about it because there is no LRB number on them."
"Well... Alright. Mr. Regan, let's take this out of the record for a few moments and find out what Amendments we have. The Amendment may still be in order if, in fact, this Amendment has been filed with the Clerk 155 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 and we can renumber it so that it will not be inappropriate to allow Mr. Homer a hearing on his Amendment as well. So, we're going to take it out of the record and come back to it just as soon as we can. Tony. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2348. Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2348, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1."
"Yes. Excuse me. Mr. Cullerton."
"I don't believe Amendment's been printed."
"Mr. Hoffman, they don't seem to have received the printed... So, we'll take it out of the record. Alright. Now, we're going to the second little page here. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2391, Mr. Bowman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2391, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act regarding the hiring of handicapped persons. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Parcells, amends House Bill 2391."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Parcells, on Amendment #1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I showed this Amendment to Representative Bowman and he thought it was a good one. It clarifies Section 3 of the Bill which says, whenever an employer seeks to fill an employment position, he shall give preference to a handicapped person applying for the position. This merely says, give preference to persons applying for such position 156 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 if such persons are otherwise equally qualified to carry out the duties of that position. I would move for its acceptance."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Parcells, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2391. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates she'll yield for questions."
"We have been... we have given our approval of this Amendment based on the understanding that the Amendment is meaningless. Can you confirm that?"
"That this meaningless?"
"Yes,"
"Well, I think the... what inspired it was that it looked as if from Section 3, any handicapped person could come in and request a job that they might not be qualified to do. So, this was just saying that if they are otherwise qualified, that they will get first priority."
"But it says otherwise equally qualified. What if they are otherwise more qualified?"
"Oh, then, they should definitely have the job if they're more qualified."
"But this says it is only if they're equally qualified."
"Well, would you like it better if it said, or more qualified? If they were more qualified, I would think they would automatically be hired."
"Well, we want to make sure that you're not precluding that from happening with this Amendment."
"No. I would assume that any employer would hire somebody more qualified."
"Okay. I just want to make sure that we're not prohibiting that. Because this says..." 157 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"No." May 14, 1985
"...if such persons are otherwise equally qualified to carry out the duties of that position. So, you mean, otherwise equally or more qualified?"
"No. If they're equally qualified, two people, and one is handicapped, the handicapped person would be hired."
"And what if the handicapped person is less qualified?"
"Then they would not be hired. This is to give the employer that choice."
"Well, I thought that the Bill was to give preferences to handicapped persons applying for a position."
"Well, if a... if you were hiring someone to do typing and a handicapped person came in that couldn't type, it would seem a little strange to hire them, wouldn't it?"
"Well, I want to find out, perhaps, from the Sponsor what his position is on the Bill because its his Bill. I just wanted to know what you... you're... The intent of your Amendment is to say if they're not qualified, they won't get the position."
"If they are not qualified to do the work, they would not get the position.."
"Equally qualified. Okay."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."
"Let's see if I can clear this up over on the other side. Question of the Sponsor of the Amendment."
"Indicates she'll yield for question."
"Thank you. The... Thank you. Ms. Parcells, the intent of the Bill is to give preference where it is appropriate, and I conclude from listening to the questions and answers between you and Representative Cullerton that you would not be adversed to an interpretation, although the Amendment 158 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 really doesn't say this, but the interpretation that they would have to be at least as qualified?"
"Yeah."
"But if they were at least as qualified, they should get preference. Is that correct?"
"I didn't hear that last question?"
"But if they're at least as qualified, they should get preference."
"If they are at least as qualified?"
"Yes."
"Yes."
"Then they would get preference."
"Then the handicapped would get the preference."
"Fine. I have no objection to the Amendment."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2421. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2421, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act and an Act in relationship to state finance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Giorgi, amends House Bill 2421."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on Amendment #1."
"Mr. Speaker, the Amendment isn't printed and the Lady 159 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 seems to be anxious because I think they're surreptitiously trying to pass this Bill for some unknown reasons. So, I'm going to let her have a clear feel. I'm going to withdraw my Amendment and try to skulk a little bit later on."
"Mr. Giorgi, in a moment of good spirit, withdraws Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ms. Wojcik, I'm advised that your Bill was meant to be on the list but was not placed on the list in error. And we would not want to hold you to the fact that there had been a clerical or scrivener's error. Accordingly, on... Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2297. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 2297."
"House Bill 2297, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Yes, Ms. Wojcik, do you have some other Bills that you'd like to have called?"
"I just might. We're having such a good time. No, I just thought I would thank you for being such a gentleman and a scholar."
"Thank you. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2426. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2426, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boat Registration and Safety Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 160 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Second Reading appears House Bill 2433. Mr. Ewing. Mr. Ewing. 2433. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2433, a Bill for an Act in relationship to taxes and their enforcement. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1 or 2?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Ewing, amends House Bill 2433."
"Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."
"There are some more Amendments coming on this. Let's just take it out of the record."
"Alright. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2444. Mr. Ryder. 2444. Out of the record. Oh, Mr. Ryder is coming. Okay. Take it easy, Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2444, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2449. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2449, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Ms. Breslin. Representative 161 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 Breslin. Representative Braun, in the Chair."
"On page 28 of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, appears House Bill 2445, Representative Parcells. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2445, a Bill for an Act to amend the Health Maintenance Organization Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Parcells, amends House Bill 2445 on page nine and so forth."
"The Chair recognize the Lady from Cook, Representative Parcells, on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move to table Amendment #1. I've spoken with its Sponsor, Representative Tate, and he is willing that we table Amendment #1 put on in Committee."
"The Lady has moved to table Amendment #1. Amendment #1 is tabled. On Amendment #2, Representative Parcells."
"Amendment #2 is very similar, almost identical to Amendment #1, but we did add the 'knowingly' clause on line 25. We added 'who knowingly violate this subsection', instead of just 'who violate'. So, it's rather technical change, and we did get in the 'knowingly' clause at the request of Representative Cullerton."
"Mr. Clerk, is Amendment #2 printed and distributed? Representative Parcells, the Amendment is apparently not printed or distributed. Take it out of the record for now. Out of the record. On page 28 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2446. Representative Hallock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 162 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"House Bill 2446. a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #I was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"A Notion to table. I move to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 2446, Representative Cullerton."
"Representative Cullerton, on the Motion."
"Yes, I have a Motion to table Amendment #1. I was told it was because the Amendment was technically out of order. And I think we might want to take a second to double check that. So, I wonder if Representative Hallock could just pass this for a few minutes so we can double check that."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock,"
"Yes, I would just support his Motion. Amendment #1 was offered in Committee and adopted. It's technically deficient, and I would ask that it be tabled."
"The Motion is to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 2446. All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Hallock, amends House Bill 2446 on page one and so forth."
"Gentleman from Winnebago on Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 then just replaces #1 which is deficient. Amendment #2 is in proper order, and I would ask it be adopted."
"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Hallock, amends House Bill 2446 163 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 as amended."
"Amendment #3 is also primarily a technical one. It puts in a grandfather clause in the Bill, and I would ask it be adopted."
"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2446. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Hallock... Hartke, amends House Bill 2446 as amended."
"Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke, on Amendment #4."
"Yes, this... what this Amendment does is... it wipes out the previous Motion."
"Is there any... Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."
"The Sponsor is fairly correct in what the Bill does... the Amendment. The Amendment would, in fact, gut the entire Bill as amended. I would stand in opposition to it. This Bill has been worked out with the Director of Insurance and the major insurance corporations in Illinois, and I would ask... this Amendment be defeated."
"Any further discussion? Gentleman from Du Page, Representative McCracken."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Hartke, what does your Amendment do?"
"It wipes out the previous Amendment."
"Wipes out the previous Amendment."
"Amendment #4."
"No, your Amendment is #4."
"Right. It wipes out the previous Amendment #5." 164 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Okay."
"...3. Excuse me."
"It wipes out Amendment #3? Could you..."
"As I understand it, yes."
"Could you tell us why you proposed to wipe out Amendment #3? What is the purpose of Amendment #4?"
"This Bill is quite detrimental to several small insurance companies, and one in particular in my district, and we're opposed to parts if not all of this Bill."
"How company?" is it... how is it detrimental to your insurance
"As I understand this Bill, and I'm not an insurance agent or an attorney or an expert in this field, but the... the Bill tends to put undue regulation on the small insurance company. And I've been asked Amendments in opposition to it." to offer these
"Do you have other Amendments later on that are..."
"Yes, I do."
"...hostile to the Bill?"
"Yes, I do."
"If this Amendment is adopted, will your later Amendments be in order or will they be out of order?"
"I think they will be in order."
"Well, then let's keep this Amendment..."
"Or out of order. If this Amendment is not approved, Amendment #5 is also there and Amendment #6."
"Well, then I guess this is the first of a number of Amendments we should beat. So, I join my friend in opposing this Amendment. There's no good reason stated why it should be here to gut the Bill. We have an agreed Bill other than for, apparently, this single company, and I think the interest of the people should rule today. And I ask that this Amendment be defeated." 165 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Is there any further discussion? Hartke, to close, on Amendment #4."
"I would suggest May 14, 1985 Representative approval of this Amendment to particularly help me out in my district. I... like I said, I'm not an expert in this field, but it will mean a considerable lost of jobs in my district if this Amendment goes through... does not go through. I'll ask for a favorable vote."
"Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #4. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'nos' have it, and the Amendment... Roll Call. We'll take a Roll Call. All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 34 voting 'aye, 69 voting 'no', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, Hartke, amends House Bill 2446 as amended."
"The Gentleman from Effingham on Amendment #5."
"Yes, thank you very much for that fantastic vote. Amendment #5 changes some wording in this legislation which ask for..."
"Representative Hartke."
"...if corrective orders have been given within the last three years, then prior approval is okay."
"Representative Hartke, could you hold for just one second? For what purpose is Mr. McCracken having a heart attack? The Gentleman from DuPage."
"Point of Order. I believe Amendment #5 is out of order."
"Mr. Clerk, ask the Parliamentarian if he would check it. Representative McCracken, will you explain why you believe that the Amendment is out of order?" 166 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Do you want me to withdraw it? Alright, I withdraw the Point of Order."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. This Amendment is virtually identical to the last one. I would say, therefore, deserves the same Roll Call and I urge it be defeated."
"Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke, to close."
"Yes, as I understand this Amendment, at the present time, the Bill is asking in its essence to allow the Director of Insurance to go in at well to... to go in and audit... audit these books and we're saying that if a corrective order has been given by the Director of Insurance within the last three years, then this approval... approval for this is okay. I would ask for a favorable vote on this Amendment."
"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #5. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Roll Call. All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There are 29 voting 'aye', 70 voting 'no', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #6, Hartke Bullock, amends House Bill 2446."
"Chair recognize the Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke, on Amendment #6."
"There are two strikes. Three strikes, I'm out. I withdraw my Amendment."
"Amendment #6 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 167 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985
"Third Reading. On the Calendar on page 29 appears House Bill 2473. Representative Stange. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2473, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Labor Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2422, on page 27 of the Calendar. Representative McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2422, a Bill for an Act in relationship to corporate regulations of insurance companies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On page 23... House Bill 2182, on page 24 of the Calendar, Representative Churchill. Out of the record. House Bill 2519, on page 29 of the Calendar, Representative Koehler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 2519."
"House Bill 2519, a Bill for an Act to amend the Timber Buyers Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Koehler - Hicks, amends House Bill 2519 on page one and so forth."
"The Lady from Marshall, Representative Koehler."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, it is my understanding now... Well, Representative... Is Representative Hicks here? He wanted to table Amendment #2 and then we are going to adopt Amendment #3. That would take care of the problem that he 168 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 has with the Bill. Leave to do this."
"Representative, are you the... you are moving to table Amendment #2?"
"Yes, in the absence of..."
"Well, here, I don't think you can do that if it his Amendment."
"He will... he will withdraw Amendment #2."
"Okay."
"He's here now."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jefferson on a Motion to table Amendment #2"
"Yes, Madam Speaker, I would move to have Amendment #1 tabled. 2? #2... Excuse me, #2 tabled. I move to suspend the appropriate rules."
"The Gentleman has moved to table Amendment #2 to House Bill 2519. Is there any discussion? There being none, all in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment #3, Koehler - Hicks, amends House Bill 2519."
"The Lady from Marshall on Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. Amendment #3 to House Bill 2519 is offered by Representative Hicks and I. It amends the Timber Buyers Licensing Act. Representative Hicks wants to make certain that the legislation is narrowly drawn so that it does not include any persons who annually buys $1,000 or less of timber for this specific purpose of fuel or firewood. And I would move for the adoption of Amendment #3."
"The Lady has moved the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 169 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day 'ayes' have it and the Amendment Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." Speaker Braun: the 387,
May 14, 1985 is adopted. Further "Third Reading. House Bill... On page eight of Calendar... eight of the Calendar appears House Bill Representative Farley. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." "House Bill 387, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. NO Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On appears House Bill 2022. page 22 of the Calendar Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2022, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the disposal of solid waste. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #I was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Churchill, amends House Bill 2022."
"The Gentleman from Lake on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #2 does three things. The first thing that it does is delete some language that was incorrectly kept in the Bill after the Amendment. The Second thing that it does is it adds the exclusion for 'recyclers' in the Bill, and the third thing it does is that it takes out of the Bill contracts with private firms and relationship between the planning division and the county authority."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? There being none, 170 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 all in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted? Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. We will now go to the Order of Third Reading, Short Debate. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate Calendar, on page 30, appears House Bill 375. The first Bill on that page not specifically, otherwise appearing on a Special Order of Business. House Bill 375. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. House Bill 437. Representative Keane. Representative Keane. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 437, a Bill for an Act in relationship to enforcing the qualifications of township and multi-township assessors. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Gentleman from Cook on House Bill 437."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 437 passed the Revenue Committee 11 to nothing. And what the Bill does is it requires that local assessors have filed the certificate of training with election officials as a condition to filing of their nominating papers. There was an Amendment adopted in Committee. I'd be happy to answer any questions. The Amendment said, instead of requiring the chief... I'd be happy to answer any questions."
"The... Is there any discussion? The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 437. The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 467, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 608, Representative 171 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 McGann. Out of the record. House Bill 707, Representative Kirkland. Out of the record. House Bill 787, Representative Berrios. Out of the record. House Bill 799, Representative DeJaegher. Out of the record. House Bill 816, Representative Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 816, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 816 provides that a government employee shall have the right to take off time for religious observances and make up the time as straight time. It is modeled on the current federal law for federal employees. This legislation was worked out with the Department of Central Management Services... and understand the sympathetic received by the Governor. This legislation is a particular interest to our minority religious communities, including the Jewish, Greek Orthodox, and Russian Orthodox communities. I know of no opposition to the legislation."
"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"Indicates he will."
"To what entity or entities does this law apply? Is it limited to public employers or does it reach the private sector?"
"No. This Bill is exclusively limited to public employees."
"And that includes local units of government as well as the state?"
"That is correct. What it basically does is to codify what I think the overwhelming majority of governments do. 172 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day The problem we have is we do have a few May 14, 1985 middle level bureaucrats who occasionally get intractable and this, you know, codifies what I think is both current constitutional and case law."
"And given that historic practice, has a pattern of the cost developed overtime? Do you have an estimate of what this cost is?"
"This would have no cost since what it provides is there must be an attempt to reasonably accommodate that employee, in terms of allowing him to make up the time at some other time based on straight time, not on overtime. But we did put on an Amendment which Department of Central Management Services requested that includes language which makes clear that if it is impossible to accommodate that individual because, you know, if the government only operates 9 to 5, five days a week and there is no way for that person to do research on the weekend or work nights or anything like that, then, you know, if you cannot reasonably accommodate him... if it's impossible to do that, you don't have to."
"Alright. Now, what rights accrue for... for an aggrieved party under the Act. What cause of action is there or what is... what is the remedy?"
"We were looking at differing approaches and the one that everybody seemed to suggest that was the best was an Amendment to the Human Rights..."
"I can't hear you."
"Alright. Okay. We looked at differing approaches to how to accomplish this, and the conclusion that everybody reached was that the best approach was an Amendment to the Human Rights Act. And so that is what this is, but it only applies, as I said earlier, to government employees."
"For a violation of the Human Rights Act, what remedy does the violated party have?" 173 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1995
"The remedy to go before the... the Commission and seek redress if they're not able to informally... work out the matter with their own government."
"Alright. And what does the cause of action consist of mere proof of a failure to offer compensatory hours, or does he have to allege discrimination on some recognized basis?"
"I think it would be... We currently have provisions in the Human Rights Act dealing with religious observances. In fact, I sponsored a Bill last year dealing with religious observances by government employees, you may recall."
"Yeah, but my point is... what... what.... what is the prima facie case. And I'm not asking the question in bad faith? I don't know. What is the prima facie case under the Act for a violation of your Bill? Does he have to demonstrate a discriminatory purpose or intent, or does the prima facie case exist by a mere showing of failure to... compensate for the hours lost? I mean, what is it that he proves, and what are his damages? You know."
"Alright. I think he would... he would have to allege and prove that he had a religious observance which he reasonably requested, the opportunity to take time off early, to make up, that...that that was unreasonably denied him, that there were, in fact, alternative times or work that he could do which were in the purview of the normal operating procedures of the... the government. And based on that, you know, he would be able to go to the Human Rights Commission."
"So there wouldn't be any issue of intent or any... discrimination as we know it. There would be... There would be no necessity to show a discriminatory intent. I'm just trying to get it clear as..." 174 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"No. No, I don't believe... You have unreasonableness, I think." May 14, 1985 to show an
"Okay. Now, what are the damages? Are there... Are there per se damages here or what do you propose that the remedy be?"
"Whatever the... I think... You know, the damages would be the same as are currently provided for under the Human Rights Act."
"What is that?"
"Representative McCracken, could you bring your questions to a close. This Bill is on the Order of Short Debate."
"I just want to know what the remedy is. What are the damages? It's not an insignificant issue."
"I think the major... If we take the case that involved the City of Chicago, which... the Warsack' case, which involved religious discrimination, there were two types of relief that were sought by Mr. "Warsack'. One was injunctive relief and the other was monetary damages..."
"Now, my question, and maybe I can shortcut this - I'm not trying to delay the Bill - my question is, what are the damages? Are they strictly compensatory..."
"Yes."
"...that is the lost hours?"
"Yes."
"Alright. Now on a single day's observance, you could lose four to eight hours. So is the financial risk limited to that lost time? Yes or no."
"I believe... Yes."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield 175 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day for a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, would your Bill permit 'Erastovarian' to practice his religious beliefs during... during working hours?"
"I'm sorry. What? Who?"
""Erastovarioan.""
""Rostov... Rostov...""
""Rostovarian.""
"I... Representative Vinson, if you could edify me as to what one is."
"Well, that's this group in the Caribbean that walk around with curly hair and smoke marijuana and think that it's a religion."
"Representative Vinson, could... this is the Order of Short Debate. We don't have an awful lot of time left, and we'd like to move some Bills on the Calendar."
"Madam Speaker, I would like the requisite number of people to rise with me to take this Bill off Short Debate."
"This Bill is taken off of the Order of Second... of Short Debate. You may continue."
"Now, would a 'Rastovarian' qualify under this thing?"
"Okay. Representative, I recall that last year when we were debating the City of Chicago employment Bill... religious employment Bill... then Representative Topinka asked a similar question. I think her question was, does a witch qualify..."
"Witches qualify? That's what you just said?"
"No. I'm saying that was a question that Representative Topinka asked last year when we were debating the City of Chicago religious employment Bill. And, I think, the answer which I gave... last time... gave then to that Bill, which I think is particularly... which is, I think, 176 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 also appropriate here is that we have definition of religion in the Human Rights Act."
"What?"
"We have a definition of what is a religion that is currently in the Human Rights Act, and it is up to the..."
"Well, what is the answer? Did witches qualify or not?"
"The answer was, I didn't know... I didn't feel qualified to be able to answer that question myself."
"Okay. Well, to the Bill, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Bill. The... The Sponsor of the Bill can't tell us positively whether witches would qualify under this thing. It's obviously a silly Bill. We ought not be creating special privileges for witches. We ought not be passing Bills which might create special privileges for witches, and I would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook... from Cook, Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He will."
"There's... I'm looking at our analysis, Representative, and if you'd just explain a couple of quick questions to me. First of all, is the person who's taking time off for a religious observance being compensated for the time off, or does he have to work to be compensated for the time off?"
"He must work to be compensated. In other words, if he... if he has a 35 hour week, and he's taking four hours off, he'd be paid for 31 hours, and he'd have to make up at straight time those additional four hours."
"What if the... Can the employer... Is there a violation as far as the employer has here if the employer does not have a job? In other words, it's got to be a job related work that he's making up on. If the employer does not have 177 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 something to where he can fit in... or she, let's say it's a secretary, for instance, and in that secretarial pool, you know, there's only so many typewriters. Does... Does the employer run into a violation if he or she cannot fit in the employee into the work place to make up those hours."
"We added language in Amendment #1 which was language suggested by the Department of Central Management Services that talks about regular working hours consistent with the operational needs of the employer. So there is an obligation to attempt to accommodate. But if there is no way to, you know, the example you gave is, a person is secretary. The only time their... the services are used is between nine and five on weekdays, then there is no weekend or no evenings when the government is operating." a
"Okay..."
"Well, then there would not be an obligation..."
"I understand. I understand. One final thing. Now is there a list - and I don't mean this in humor at all - is there a list that you are going by that authorizes certain religious holidays, or certain religious observance days? The reason I'm saying, because you've got a multitude of religions, and you might have one that, let's say, has 25 holidays in the course of a year, and you might have another one that has five holidays in the year. Is there something that brings this into some sort of uniformity? It seems like you're opening a Pandora's box if, you know, if you're just allowing carte blanche religious holidays. That's the only question I have. What is a religious holiday per se? What is a religious holiday for maybe you might not be for me or for somebody else, you know. And this is the thing I'm saying. Is what religious holidays do you have? Do you have a guideline for this?" 178 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 39th Legislative Day
"This is a... You know, this is a situation even without this Bill that, you know, each government jurisdiction faces right now, because there certainly is, under the Constitution..."
"Okay. Well, if we have that now without the Bill, is the Bill clarifying the question I've just asked?"
"The... The Bill, I think... Certainly it puts into the statute the... the..."
"What religious holidays does the Bill cover? That's the reason I'm saying..."
"This is... It's left to each governmental jurisdiction to make a reasonable determination on that, as they have to right now."
"So in other words, we could say to you that I'm only going to allow you, Ellis Levin, these three religious holidays and Bob Piel, I'm going to allow you these 222"
"Well, we are... we are not providing time off with pay here or anything of that sort."
"But they have to make that... reasonable, you know, effort to let the person make up."
"Okay. If somebody..."
"The situation that I've got... Let's say, you know, I've got a religious holiday that is really a meaningless holiday falling on a Friday or a Monday, it might be great for me to make it up the following week as extra time somewhere along the line to get a three or four day weekend."
"This is, you know, left up to the employer to make that determination. If somebody, you know... What it's meant to deal with is a situation... Let me give you an example. Somebody is... is an Orthodox Jew, and he's required to be at temple when the sun sets on Friday. And, you know, as you get into the winter, the sun sets earlier, and so he 179 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day must leave early..." May 14, 1985
"Okay. Thank you."
"...for that purpose."
"To the Bill, Madam Speaker. I think... Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, obviously this thing was on Short Debate, but if you'll notice the questions that have been brought up, there are a lot of question marks in this Bill, a lot of problems that could be brought up if this type of a legislation was instituted. He's sitting here... giving... basically a carte blanche to each department to establish a, you know, guidelines on what religious holidays... and, you know, I ask everybody for a 'no' vote on 816 at the present time."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn,"
"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."
"The previous question having been moved, Representative Levin to close. Oh, the question is, 'Shall the previous... Shall the question be put?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Representative Levin to close."
"You know, since they're having some... some questions raised, let me... let's take it out of the record for right now and try to resolve those."
"The next... next Bill is House Bill 864, Representative Deuchler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 864, a Bill for an Act to authorize the Secretary of Transportation to convey certain described land to the Fox Valley Park District. Third Reading of the Bill."
"House Bill 816 was taken out of the record. On House Bill 864, the Chair recognizes the Lady from Kane, Representative Deuchler." 180 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 864 is a land conveyance Bill from the Department of Transportation to the Fox Valley Park District in Aurora for the sum of one dollar. The property involves four parcels of land in the City of Aurora. It was originally acquired as a possible site for a dam on the Fox River. IDOT has disbanded this purpose at this present time and has no use for the land. The Fox Valley Park District wants to add it to their riverfront beautification program, bike trails, picnic areas and so forth. They have stipulated that if the park district ever stops using the land for public purposes that it will revert to them, and they have an easement for construction of a dam should the state ever decide to build one."
"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"So as I understand this Bill, the state came up with 95,950 dollars to buy this land, and now they're going to sell it to the Fox Valley Park District for a dollar."
"That's correct."
"Why would the... So I presume then that the state is out 95,949 dollars. And I'm wondering why we, as State Representatives, would want to do something like that. I mean, why doesn't the Fox Valley Park District raise their property taxes, and raise the money and pay the state back for the value of the land?"
"Well, Representative, as so often happens, I think where you have intergovernmental cooperation, the state simply..."
"This is intergovernmental cooperation if I've ever seen it." 181 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"The state May 14, 1985 simply has no purpose for the land, knows that the park district has put together a... a really network of riverfronts, of trails and bike trails that has had national recognition and has no use for the land. The park district also has been maintaining the land for all this time and is essentially using it now for open space."
"Well, they've been leasing the land."
"Yes, they have been leasing it. They've also been maintaining it."
"So why are we selling it to them. Why don't we just continue to lease it?"
"Well, as I explained, there is a... a reservation, an easement, for the state to construct and operate a dam should the state ever want to build one. And that was the original purpose for their obtaining the land."
"Okay."
"They had no other reason..."
"If this Bill doesn't... If this Bill doesn't pass, what will happen? Will it still be a park? Will the state still get one dollar a year?"
"Yes."
"The only difference is that the state won't have lost 95,949 dollars."
"Well, I think that also there is additional land intervening. This is not contiguous property, so that the park district will attempt to open up the space and perhaps construct a mini park or other more attractive use other than just green open space."
"And they can't do that now pursuant to their lease with the state?"
"Staff does tell me that this certainly is not an unusual practice. This is done very frequently by the OT when they have later decided that there is no use for the 182 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 land to give it to the... essentially give it to the local entities SO that they can put together their network of 'green trails'."
"Did... Do you know whom the state... Do you know from your staff when the state purchased the land and from whom they purchased it?"
"1965, and it was purchased from private owners."
"And so the..."
"When they were going to construct the dam. If you recall, there was a statewide proposal at one time for a series of dams to be constructed on the Fox River."
"Alright... maybe just get back to one more... one more time. Why do we have to have the... Why do we have to have the park district own the land as opposed to leasing it?"
"Well, because, as I said, we are trying to put the parcel together, and there are Some intervening parcels, and they're really not going to address acquiring those parcels until they're able to have the entire section available for 'green trail' and addition to the Virgil 'Gilman' trails."
"Those are available if they lease it as well as if they own it, unless... unless there's..."
"Well, they do want to make improvements on it and, if they don't have title, they can't do it."
"And they can't... They can't make the improvements... get the permission from the state to make improvements."
"They are not going to do it unless they have title. The easement is there for the state to construct their dam if that should ever be required. And if they don't use it for park purposes, it will revert to them."
"Okay. Well, I... I think its... I really don't understand why the state has to lose 95,949 dollars. I 183 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 understand that you're going to use it for public purposes. It just seems to me that there should be a... some money passed back to the state for the... in a situation where they've already put out this money. And that's... that's the only objection I would have to it. I understand what... the purposes aren't going to change and the intentions are the best, but it just seems that... I'll tell you what Representative..."
"Well, I think that if you do... the Bill you will see that the land will revert back to the state if it's ever used for any other purpose other than strictly recreational purposes."
"Alright. I've checked with Representative Farley, and we will be happy to support this for the park district in Fox Valley with the knowledge that you will pledge to support the Chicago Park Districts program down here in Springfield this year. Thank you very much."
"Is there any further discussion? Ladies and Gentlemen, we have now spent almost a half hour on two Bills, one of which was called out of the record. We are scheduled to be here until 7:30 this evening. I think we should make productive use of our time and that we should move these... move this legislation as quickly as possible without unnecessary delay or debates. The Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen."
"I'd like to ask the Sponsor a couple of questions, please. Am I entitled to ask questions on Short Debate, Madam Speaker, or is only Representative Cullerton so entitled?"
"You are entitled."
"Thank you."
"And there's no reason to lose your temper. The Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen." 184 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
May 14, 1985 "I'm not losing my temper. I would like to be heard, and I can't be over the shouts."
"Representative Pullen."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like Sponsor a couple of questions."
"She indicates she'll yield." to ask the
"Is the Department of Transportation in support of this Bill?"
"Yes, they are."
"Has the Department of Transportation found that they no longer need this land for the purpose for which they originally bought it?"
"That's correct."
"Is the land now being used for park purposes?"
"Yes."
"Does your Bill convey it to a park district for continued maintenance as a park?"
"Yes, it does."
"Thank you."
"The Lady from Kane, Representative Deuchler, to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to ask the Body for support of House Bill 864."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 864. All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 5 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar is House Bill 873, Representative Soliz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 873, a Bill for an Act to amend the 185 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Illinois State May 14, 1985 Auditing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Soliz."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman... Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is a Bill which amends the Illinois State Auditing Act. It will require the Auditor General to essentially do two things: one, to investigate the dropout rate and achievement test scores of the Chicago Public Schools; and, secondly, it will require the Auditor General to direct the State Board of Education to promulgate rules and regulations defining dropout rate and establish requirements of reporting the achievement scores of Chicago Public Schools. This is a Bill which was introduced as a result of a recommendation of the Hispanic Task Force that was supported almost unanimously by this Body and which found that there were many inaccuracies and many misrepresentations that were being reported by the Chicago Public School System. For example, the Chicago Public Schools reported that there was an eight percent high school dropout rate in the Chicago Public Schools. After investigations, the State Board of Education reported a 48% dropout rate in the school system in Chicago. So what we would like to do with this Bill is to require the State Board of Education to promulgate rules and regulations which would define what a dropout rate or what a dropout is and to insure that adequate... adequate figures or adequate data are reported by the public schools in Chicago, so that the high school dropout rate can be accurately represented. Therefore, I'd like to move for the passage of... or adoption of this particular Bill."
"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I respectfully rise in opposition to House Bill 873. I'm in sympathy with what 186 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 the Sponsors of the Bills... the Bill wish to achieve, but it plays havoc with the Office of the Auditor General. House BIll 873 is a bad Bill in terms of the... Auditor General because it is technically deficient. It amends Section 3-4 of the Illinois Stat Auditing Act, which... to require the Auditor General to investigate the dropout rate and achievement test scores of Chicago Public School students. But, that same Section mandates investigation by Resolution, not by statutory Amendment. We do have a... There's a House Joint Resolution 22 that's been introduced by Representative Ronan that directs by Resolution much of the same items that this Bill by statute form were attempting to do. House Bill 873 also directs the Auditor General to audit a unit of local government, over which be generally has no authority under other provisions of the Illinois State Auditing Act. Finally, House Bill 873 sets no time limit on the audit it proposes so that it's unclear whether it is to be a one shot deal, an annual audit or regular biannual compliance audit. For the above reasons, and basically for the reason that the Auditor General can do many things, but we can't have him out doing the job of educators and things like that, I stand in opposition to the Bill."
"Is there further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I rise in support of House Bill 873. I believe that if you examine either the Gentleman's record of interest in the subject or the substance of the Bill itself and the controversy involved that the Bill is warranted and merited. The Gentleman asks for an independent study by an agent of the General Assembly, the Auditor General, in 187 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 effect, a performance audit of the dropout rates reported by the Chicago Board of Education. There is some substantial controversy about those dropout rates. And in any event, whatever they are, the Gentleman has a perfect right and this Assembly has an obligation to get accurate data regarding those dropout rates. If we create a society where we'd deny, in essence, meaningful educational opportunity to the people in that system, and particularly to some of the subgroups in that system, then we're not performing the obligation that we have under the Constitution of Illinois to provide for education in Illinois. That is our obligation. We have abolished Commissions in this state. We have to find some effective way of getting the data that gives us the information to provide our role in the educational field. And the Gentleman is simply asking us to resort to the most impartial, objective and talented resource the General Assembly has at its command to try to find out what the accurate figures are on dropouts in the Chicago School System. I believe its a good Bill. I believe the Gentleman deserves a vote of confidence from this General Assembly in this matter. And I believe he's particularly to be commended because he has not seen fit to resort to creating some special agency to... to do this job, but rather to assigning the function to an already existing agency perfectly... perfectly capable of performing this performance audit. I urge an 'aye' vote on the Gentleman's Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Well, Madam Speaker, this is on Short Debate, but I... because of the opposition to it, I wanted to echo Sam Vinson's remarks, because... Oh, it was before Joe Berrios 188 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985 came here and we had no Hispanics on the floor of this House, and I rose at different times and said that we... we really need a Hispanic because no... nobody represented the Hispanic interest in this Legislature. And now, we also have Juan Soliz here, and he's worked hard, not only for Hispanics but for all citizens of Illinois. And although there may be a short... shortcoming, this Bill, I think, it can be worked out, and I, therefore, ask Members on this side of the aisle to give it an 'aye vote. This may not be Juan's... He's not the lead Sponsor, but I think Ellis Levin did well by turning it over to him, because it is now a good Bill, and I would ask for your support."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."
"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, I certainly don't question the sincerity of the Sponsor or the need for getting to the bottom of this problem to find out what the situation is. However, number one, according to my synopsis here, there's no date at which the Auditor General is supposed to do this, and I suppose he could do it five years from now, according to this Bill, which wouldn't do us much good. The other thing is, we are spending millions of dollars for the State Board of Education, which is supposed to have experts in every field of education. And if there's any agency which should be looking into the dropout problem, it ought to be the State Board of Education and our high powered Superintendent of Public Instruction."
"This Bill is on Short Debate. Representative Soliz to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I'd like to just simply ask for a favorable vote on this. Additionally, I'd like to thank Representative 189 39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 14, 1985 Vinson for speaking out on behalf of this particular Bill. Thank you very much, and I'd like to ask for a favorable vote. Thank you."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 873. All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Ropp to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate the opportunity to finally get a chance to speak. I'm not opposed necessarily to the idea to determine how many people have dropped out. I think everybody knows there's a large figure. The thing that I think is delinquent in this Bill is any intent to really address the problem after we find out the figures. We know there's 40 or 50% that have dropped out. Let's try to do something in this legislative Body to encourage those people to stay in school in some manner so that they are equipped to become involved in some kind of a vocational skill. And just finding out how many there is is not really doing anything good, but we all had an early Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Washington, to explain his vote."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, I believe that this Bill itself certainly exemplifies and expresses an interest of all those young men and women who are lost, not only in the Hispanic area but certainly in the other minority communities and certainly areas such as Robert Taylor Home. And I think it's a good Bill. If we in this legislative Body do not reflect and demonstrate the kind of leadership that will give them hope and aspiration to go on in the future, I think we have failed ourselves and our constituents of this state. So for that reason, I voted in the manner that I did."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell, to explain his vote." 190 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 14, 1985
"Just out of deference to the... to the Sponsor of the Bill and because it is his first Bill, I'wish to explain why I'm voting 'present' on this Bill. I think while the substance of the Bill is admirable, what we're doing is we're shifting the... the constitutional responsibilities of the Auditor General to audit a unit of local government. And I don't believe that that is the constitutional responsibility of the Auditor General. I think we're setting a very bad precedent, and for that reason, I'm voting 'present'."
"Alright. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 99 voting 'aye', 7 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock, rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. For purpose of an announcement."
"Proceed."
"Madam Speaker and Ladies of the Assembly, I'd like to announce that the House State Government Administration and Regulatory Review Committee will meet tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. Previously, the Committee notice indicated 9 a.m. There's been a change. The time is 8 a.m., Room 114, the House State Government Administration and Regulatory Review Committee Meeting, Subject Matter - Salmonella Investigation and Executive Order #4."
"Further announcements? The Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I wanted to announce the House Committee on Urban Redevelopment will meet immediately after the Session today in the Speaker's Conference Room right behind the House chamber. So the 191 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day House Urban Redevelopment Committee will meet May 14, 1985 immediately at the close of the Session today."
"Further announcements? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the House Appropriations II Committee and the Human Services Committee will have a joint meeting tomorrow here on the House floor at 10:30 for purposes of consideration of problems of day care and family resources. So this is a very unusual joint meeting between two Committees, and I urge both Membership to be in attendance."
"Further announcements? Represent.... The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Appropriations I Committee will hear the Build Illinois Bill tomorrow, as well as the joint meeting of the Energy, Environment and Natural Resources Committee. And we will not be amending Build Illinois in Committee, but we will bring it out. I'm sure, with an Attendance Roll Call. Thank you."
"An announcement from the Chair. Any Democratic Member who believes that he or she is sponsoring a Bill which is a major legislative initiative under the above said subject areas should contact Gary LaPaille by 2 o'clock tomorrow so that a request... so that a... the Special Order of Business list may be prepared. Republican Members should submit their requests to Zale Glauberman. Additionally, the Illinois State Bar Association affair is taking place across the street at... at the Bar Association. You are cordially invited. Representative Cullerton for the Adjournment Resolution. General Resolutions, first. General Resolutions."
"House Joint Resolution 50, offered by Representative Shaw and Young." 192 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day
"Committee on Assignment. Cullerton for the Ad journment Resolution."
"Move that the House stand adjourned... until 12 o'clock tomorrow, the 15th of May, 12 o'clock, allowing the House two minutes for Perfunctory... preempt... preempt... Perfunctory Session."
"The House will stand adjourned until 12 o'clock tomorrow."
"Committee Report. May 14, 1985 Representative be adjourned Representative Farley, Chairman of the Committee on Labor and Commerce, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken April 24, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Interim Study Calendar House Bill 686. A message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills with the following title, and the passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Bills #18, 19, 49, 53, 75, 78, 85, 95, 122, 132, 136, 143, 149, 151, 178, 219, 223, 243, 297 and 309, passed by the Senate May 14, 1985. Kenneth Wright. Secretary.' Senate Bills First Reading. Senate Bill 18, Steczo, a Bill for an Act to amend the Real Estate License Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 19, Preston and Steczo, a Bill for an Act in relation to energy efficient storage hot water heaters. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 53, Kubik, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Physical Fitness Service Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 79, Deuchler, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. No further business, the House now stands adjourned." 193 i 03/21/85 15:59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 14, 1985 PAGE 1 HB-0018 SECOND READING PAGE 139 HB-0062 SECOND READING PAGE 140 HB-0090 SECOND READING PAGE 141 HB-0387 SECOND READING PAGE 170 HB-0437 THIRD READING PAGE 171 HB-0497 SECOND READING PAGE 87 HB-0578 SECOND READING PAGE 88 HB-0773 SECOND READING PAGE 91 HB-0775 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-0816 THIRD READING PAGE 172 HB-0816 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 180 HB-0864 THIRD READING PAGE 180 HB-0873 THIRD READING PAGE 185 HB-0895 SECOND READING PAGE 92 HB-0951 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-0957 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-0963 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-0964 SECOND READING PAGE 104 HB-0975 SECOND READING PAGE 92 HB-0975 SECOND READING PAGE 103 HB-0375 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 93 HB-1016 SECOND READING PAGE 94 HB-1016 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 103 HB-1053 SECOND READING PAGE 104 HB-1053 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 105 HB-1079 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1177 SECOND READING PAGE 106 HB-1193 SECOND READING PAGE 109 HB-1206 SECOND READING PAGE 110 HB-1207 SECOND READING PAGE 110 HB-1258 SECOND READING PAGE 111 HB-1299 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1323 SECOND READING PAGE 113 HB-1363 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1364 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1365 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1366 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1382 SECOND READING PAGE 113 HB-1389 SECOND READING PAGE 113 HB-1411 SECOND READING PAGE 114 HB-1417 SECOND READING PAGE 114 HB-1417 SECOND READING PAGE 120 HB-1417 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 117 HB-1417 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 121 HB-1429 SECOND READING PAGE 117 HB-1430 SECOND READING PAGE 119 HB-1431 SECOND READING PAGE 121 HB-1438 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1455 SECOND READING PAGE 122 HB-1458 SECOND READING PAGE 123 HB-1488 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1565 SECOND READING PAGE 123 HB-1568 SECOND READING PAGE 124 HB-1585 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-1587 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1638 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1654 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1655 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1670 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1703 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1768 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1806 SECOND READING PAGE 125 HB-1806 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 127 HB-1867 SECOND READING PAGE 127 HB-1880 SECOND READING PAGE 127 08/21/85 15:59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 14, 1985 PAGE 2 HB-1902 SECOND READING PAGE 142 HB-1902 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 146 HB-1921 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-1924 SECOND READING PAGE 127 HB-1929 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-1930 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1931 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-1931 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 9 HB-1933 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-1934 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-1935 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-1936 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-1938 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1939 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-1943 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-1944 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-1945 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-1947 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1948 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-1949 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-1951 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-1953 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-1955 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-1956 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1957 SECOND READING PAGE 130 HB-1958 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1962 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1966 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1969 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1970 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-1971 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-1972 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-1974 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-1975 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-1977 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-1980 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-2002 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-2002 SECOND READING PAGE 82 HB-2002 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 26 HB-2003 SECOND READING PAGE 26 HB-2004 SECOND READING PAGE 26 HB-2006 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-2011 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-2012 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-2015 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-2017 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-2022 SECOND READING PAGE 147 HB-2022 SECOND READING PAGE 170 HB-2022 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 148 HB-2023 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-2026 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-2027 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-2029 SECOND READING PAGE 30 HB-2029 SECOND READING PAGE 146 HB-2029 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 30 HB-2035 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-2053 SECOND READING PAGE 148 HB-2054 SECOND READING PAGE 31 HB-2060 SECOND READING PAGE 31 HB-2061 SECOND READING PAGE 31 HB-2066 SECOND READING PAGE 35 HB-2074 SECOND READING PAGE 36 HB-2080 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2084 SECOND READING PAGE 36 HB-2088 SECOND READING PAGE 131 08/21/85 15:59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 3 MAY 14, 1985 HB-2088 OTHER PAGE 137 HB-2089 SECOND READING PAGE 38 HB-2093 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-2095 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-2099 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-2102 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-2103 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-2104 SECOND READING PAGE 132 HB-2105 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-2108 SECOND READING PAGE 149 HB-2113 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2115 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-2125 SECOND READING PAGE 149 HB-2128 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-2129 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2136 SECOND READING PAGE 41 HB-2139 SECOND READING PAGE 41 HB-2147 SECOND READING PAGE 149 HB-2154 SECOND READING PAGE 41 HB-2179 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-2180 SECOND READING PAGE 43 HB-2187 SECOND READING PAGE 149 HB-2187 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 150 HB-2188 SECOND READING PAGE 43 HB-2189 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2190 SECOND READING PAGE 43 HB-2213 SECOND READING PAGE 150 HB-2217 SECOND READING PAGE 45 HB-2219 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-2220 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-2244 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-2247 SECOND READING PAGE 132 HB-2249 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-2249 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 48 HB-2250 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-2266 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-2274 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-2276 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-2281 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-2283 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-2286 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-2290 SECOND READING PAGE 151 HB-2297 SECOND READING PAGE 160 HB-2302 SECOND READING PAGE 133 HB-2310 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2311 SECOND READING PAGE 50 HB-2327 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-2328 SECOND READING PAGE 154 HB-2328 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 156 HB-2336 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-2337 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-2349 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2350 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2351 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2355 SECOND READING PAGE 54 HB-2372 SECOND READING PAGE 54 HB-2378 SECOND READING PAGE 54 HB-2382 SECOND READING PAGE 56 HB-2383 SECOND READING PAGE 57 HB-2384 SECOND READING PAGE 57 HB-2391 SECOND READING PAGE 156 HB-2400 SECOND READING PAGE 58 HB-2408 SECOND READING PAGE 133 HB-2415 SECOND READING PAGE 134 HB-2416 SECOND READING PAGE 60 03/21/85 15:59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 14, 1985 PAGE 4 HB-2418 SECOND READING PAGE 60 HB-2421 SECOND READING PAGE 60 HB-2421 SECOND READING PAGE 159 HB-2421 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 62 HB-2422 SECOND READING PAGE 168 HB-2426 SECOND READING PAGE 160 HB-2427 SECOND READING PAGE 62 HB-2428 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2428 OTHER PAGE 14 HB-2431 SECOND READING PAGE 62 HB-2432 SECOND READING PAGE 65 HB-2435 SECOND READING PAGE 65 HB-2437 SECOND READING PAGE 65 HB-2439 SECOND READING PAGE 66 HB-2441 SECOND READING PAGE 66 HB-2442 SECOND READING PAGE 66 HB-2443 SECOND READING PAGE 66 HB-2444 SECOND READING PAGE 161 HB-2445 SECOND READING PAGE 162 HB-2445 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 162 HB-2446 SECOND READING PAGE 163 HB-2449 SECOND READING PAGE 161 HB-2450 SECOND READING PAGE 67 HB-2457 SECOND READING PAGE 67 HB-2473 SECOND READING PAGE 168 HB-2475 SECOND READING PAGE 67 HB-2487 SECOND READING PAGE 68 HB-2499 SECOND READING PAGE 81 HB-2512 SECOND READING PAGE 68 HB-2515 SECOND READING PAGE 137 HB-2517 SECOND READING PAGE 81 HB-2518 SECOND READING PAGE 82 HB-2519 SECOND READING PAGE 168 HB-2523 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-2525 SECOND READING PAGE 138 SB-0018 FIRST READING PAGE 193 SB-0019 FIRST READING PAGE 193 SB-0053 FIRST READING PAGE 193 SB-0078 FIRST READING PAGE 193 HR-0344 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 2 HOUSE TO ORDER SUBJECT MATTER REPRESENTATIVE BRAUN PAGE 1 PRAYER REVEREND TIMOTHY MILLER PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 RECESS PAGE 57 HOUSE RECONVENES - REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE IN CHAIR PAGE 57 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 76 REPRESENTATIVE BRAUN IN CHAIR PAGE 162 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 192 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 193 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 133 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 193 PERFUNCTORY SESSION ADJOURNMENT PAGE 193 HELEN KIM - MOTHER OF THE YEAR PAGE 20 REPRESENTATIVE BRAUN IN CHAIR PAGE 59 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 193