"The hour of 2:00 having arrived, the House will be in Session. The Chaplain for today will be Father Robert J. Jallas of the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Springfield. Father Jallas is a guest of Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in the gallery please rise and join us in the invocation? Father Jallas."
"I make a promise to you that I won't make this prayer as long as your Session. God, our Gracious Father, we once again invoke Your good name at the end of yet another work day. We ask Your blessing upon us, upon these Legislators, who endeavor to wind up the year filled with many demands and attention to endless details. Give them rest this day and night. Bless and protect them as they take leave of here. Give them a greater vision of Your constant care and love for them in the midst of their busyness. Watch carefully over their loved ones, and may they soon come to enjoy the summer recess they have worked so hard for. We ask all this in Your name. Amen."
"The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp, will lead us in the pledge to the flag. Mr. Ropp."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 Members having answered to the Call of the Quorum, a quorum is present. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."
"Speaker, let the record reflect the excuse absence of Al Ronan on official business."
"Let the record so reflect. Agreed 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Representative Davis - et al."
"Committee on Assignment. Death Resolution."
"House Resolution 661, offered by Representative Johnson and Didrickson, with respect to the memory of Leslie A. Ryan, Sr., of Champaign, Illinois."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, moves for the passage of the Death Resolutions. There being no objection, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Death Resolutions?' Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Death Resolutions are adopted. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."
"I have an inquiry of the Chair."
"What is your inquiry, Mr. Leverenz?"
"Now?"
"Not yet. We'll let you know."
"No, the word is 'not now'."
"Oh, not now."
"Not yet. Check your script."
"Mr. Goforth, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Mr. Goforth? I don't know what it is, but I'll probably ingest anything, whatever it might be. Mr. Preston, for what purpose do you seek recognition? You want to try again with me, huh? Okay."
"Mr. Speaker, thank you. Last night, Mr. Speaker, during the fourth night of our captivity, my seatmate, Representative John Dunn, was gracious enough to offer me lodging and food at his home in Decatur, and we had a very enjoyable evening, and the price that I was charged for that was a mere $45.50, but in addition to that, he graciously threw in for free, doing my laundry, so I am now ready to spend the rest of the week or next week here in Springfield, and for all the other Members, if you have 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Resolutions."
"House Resolution 657, offered by Representative Ropp; 659, by Wojcik; 660, by Richmond. And Senate Joint Resolution 85, by O'Connell and Terzich."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on the Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 657, by Ropp, congratulates Father... Reverend Gerike. Wojcik's 59 (sic - 659), commends the Claessens. 660, by Richmond, recognizes Nicole Glasser. And Senate Joint 85 recognizes that Senator Lemke is being engaged to be married, by O'Connell and Terzich. I move for the Agreed Resolutions."
"Is there any discussion on the Agreed Resolutions today? The Gentleman from Winnebago has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Oh, yes, Mr. Vinson. I'm sorry."
"There was discussion. Mr. Ewing is not here. He's the person who normally approves Agreed Resolutions. The Gentleman who presented the Agreed Resolutions did not read them in any audible fashion, and I think that's a poor way to start business today."
"Mr... Mr. Vinson, we certainly don't want to impair the Agreed Resolutions passage, and wishing Mr. Lemke and Mr. and Mrs. Lemke good luck, so if... perhaps you'd like to go over and discuss this with Mr. Giorgi, and we could certainly... I know your talents would be specially suited for the Agreed Resolution list. So, if you'd like to check with him now, we'd be glad to have you do that. General Resolutions."
"House Resolution 638, offered by Representative Bowman - et al. House Resolution 658, offered by 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 laundry that you need done, if you would drop that laundry off at Representative Dunn's desk, if it's in by 11:00, it will be out by 3:00. Thank you."
"Well, Mr. Preston, does that mean you made a profit of $19.55 per..."
"That's yesterday."
"That's correct."
"It's okay. It was a holiday, after all. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, seek recognition?"
"I have an inquiry of the last speaker. I'd like to know how much Mr. Preston lost on Mr. Dunn's pool table in the basement."
"Mr. Preston."
"My name was mentioned in debate, Mr. Speaker..."
"I hardly think that we would call that debate, but alright."
"I'd like the Gentleman to know, Mr. Speaker, that I won $8.00 at pool, but the charge was $12.00 for the use of the pool table, so again, I came up short."
"The House will be in order. Mr. Vinson, have you had an opportunity to examine the Agreed Resolutions?"
"Yes, I have, and I called to Mr. Giorgi's attention one that we would not agree to."
"Alright, then. We'll just do them later. I'm not sure which one that is. So, we'll just go to them."
"Sure."
"At... We'll go to them later on. Alright."
"Sure."
"Supplemental Calendar #1, Conference Committee Reports appears Senate Bill 476. The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert. The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Mr. 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, I rise to move that the House do adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 476."
"The Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves that the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, I would request a Republican Conference in Room 118 immediately."
"How long will you need, Mr. Vinson?"
"Forty-five minutes."
"Forty-five minutes. Alright. Excuse me. Mr... Mr. Giglio."
"Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker, the Democrats would like to Caucus immediately in Room 114."
"Alright. Then, we will be in this posture. Mr. Madigan has moved to consider Senate Bill... the Conference Committee Report #1 on Senate Bill 476, which we will return to when we come back. There will be a Republican Conference in Room 118, a Democratic Conference in Room 114. We will be back at approximate... at exactly 3:30. 3:30. Thank you. The House will be in order. At the time the House recessed, Speaker Madigan had moved that the House do adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, once again, I rise to move that the House do adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 476. This matter was considered yesterday. It could have been considered the day before. It is now three days later, and we have failed to adopt the budget for the Department of Public Aid. Thousands and thousands of recipients all over 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 the State of Illinois are without their checks to pay their rent, to buy food and care for their family. This situation is intolerable. We will continue to call this Bill until this budget is adopted, and those people can get their checks simply to survive, not to live luxuriously, but simply to survive. Mr. Speaker, again, I move that we do adopt the Conference Committee Report."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves that the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I filed a written Motion which I'll just reiterate. I move to hear Senate Bill 476, House Bill 655 and House Bill 993 simultaneously, and further, that all three Bills be incorporated into a single Roll Call, a Roll Call vote immediately upon consideration. That Motion is in writing, and it's been filed, and I would so move."
"It is, indeed, in writing, but it is, indeed, out of order under our rules, Sir. Under the rules, when we leave, we are to return to the same place that... from whence we left. And that is where we came back to. Your Motion was filed after that time, so that it is not timely and it's out of order. Mr... Further discussion? Alright, Mr. Johnson."
"I'm going to be calm about this, just as you are, Mr. Speaker. I don't... I don't understand at all the substance of your ruling, and I think that we ought to know that."
"Then I will tell you, Mr. Johnson. Listen carefully. When we adjourned, when we recessed, Mr. Madigan had moved that the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1. He had made a Motion. At that time, I... and 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 he put the Motion. At that time, Mr. Vinson requested a Republican Conference and Mr. Giglio a Democratic Conference. Under our rules, Rule 39, when we leave an Order of Business, we are... and we come back, we are to come back to the same Order of Business at the same place. Accordingly, Mr. Madigan, we come back in the posture that Mr. Madigan has moved for the adoption of Conference Committee Report #1. In the interim period, you come up, and you file two Motions which, I guess, are the same, and they are not timely, and they are out of order, and that is my ruling. For that reason, we are on Mr. Madigan's Motion. It is not a subsidiary Motion. It is not an incidental Motion to that Bill. Now, I will allow Mr. Johnson to address my ruling. I will allow some reasonable hysteria over the ruling, and then we will proceed to discussion of the public aid appropriation. And on that, the Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."
"I appreciate that. I feel a little like the defendant before the trial who's told what his sentence is going to be, but I'll simply make the point that the substitute Motion is always in order, under the rules of our House, and if that isn't good enough, then I would move, at this point, to suspend all appropriate rules so that my Motion, which I filed, and which I've just reiterated, can be heard immediately. I think a Motion to suspend all appropriate rules so that we can get to that Order of Business and so that my Motion can be heard is always in order. If it isn't, then we're making a..."
"Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson, the other day we had a ruling which was not appreciated too much by some Members of the House. And you fellows went through about 10 minutes of trying to figure out what the right Motion was. So, I'm not... I'm not going to go through the 10 minutes 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 because I don't want to hear it all over again. The correct Motion for you to make if you are unhappy is, 'I appeal the ruling of the Chair.' That is what your Motion is, and that is the only Motion for which I will now recognize you. Mr. Johnson."
"My Motion is that we suspend the appropriate rule..."
"No, Sir. Your Motion is... I have ruled that that other... that Motion is out of order. I called on you, Sir, in the discussion of the Public Aid Bill. You suggested that Motions had been filed. I recognized that, indeed, they had been filed, that those Motions were out of order. That is the posture, and that is for the reasons for which I have called upon you. You may now appeal my ruling if that is your choice. I am... The Chair is willing to put his ruling to a debate. Now, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Hallock has called for recognition, and it is the intention of the Chair to call on the Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."
"Well, in light of your decision on the matter we just discussed, I would now move, Mr. Speaker, that we go to the Order of Motions and move to the specific Motion which was enunciated by Mr. Johnson. And that is always in order, and I now make that Motion."
"While we're looking at the rules, Mr. Vinson. No, Mr. Hallock. I'm sorry."
"Mr. Speaker, you don't really have to look too far back for precedent. We did this about three weeks ago when we debated one of the important Bills before the General Assembly this Session. You so ruled at that time, and I would now ask you to again rule the same way you did three weeks ago. The precedent has been established. It's very clear. I would ask you now to support my Motion, and let's take a vote." 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Mr. Vinson."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Just to suggest to you that not all of the wisdom and not all of the justice present in the State of Illinois or present in this chamber will be found in that rule book. And I would suggest to you that you reflect upon the substance of the Motion and the substance of what would be accomplished by the Motion in making your ruling. One of the things that would be accomplished by that... by the substance of Mr. Johnson's Motion would be a chance to ensure welfare checks to recipients who don't now have welfare checks, and to assure jobs for people who don't now have jobs, and to assure..."
"Mr... Mr. Vinson, excuse me. Mr... Excuse me, Sir. That may... Those may be all valid reasons why one might wish the ruling to be made. But I am bound, Sir, by the rules of the House, by Roberts' Rules of Order. Now, so that we may dispose of Mr. Johnson's Motion, Mr. Vinson's plea and Mr. Hallock's suggestion, I would address you to the Precedence of Motions. It says, 'While a question is under debate, no Motion may be entertained except...' and then goes on and lists a number of items that may be suggested for change. None of those fall within the purview of Mr. Johnson's Motion. Accordingly, I will recognize you now on the issue of Mr. Madigan's Motion to adopt Conference #1. Mr. Davis."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, in the calm, I hope, of this debate - and I think the Chair is obfuscating the issue - I think Mr. Johnson's Motion, while not properly put in light of your ruling for whatever your purposes are of making that ruling, is that Mr. Johnson incorporated, in his Motion, 476. So he's addressed that. He says, 'Yes, let's hear that, Mr. Speaker.' Actually, I suppose he should have amended his Motion to say that the inclusion of 476 along 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 with 655 and 993 should be made at this point. Because that, then, if that amended Motion was adopted by this House, then we could hear all three, and we want to hear 476. We want to pass 476. We want to get out of here. We want to do the budget. Why, Sir, will you not recognize us for that opportunity? Are you afraid, Sir, that the real agenda will come out? Are you afraid, Sir, that the Democratic Party does not want to pass 476?"
"Mr. Davis. Yes, further discussion? The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, the only reason for having rules at all, including Roberts' Rules of Order, is to see that the people have a right to be heard. And this is a free society, and we have self government. And that's what rules are for. And they certainly can... And I think you're thwarting the rules because you're denying the people the right to have something put to them. Now, if you're afraid it will pass, then of course, that's your reason for doing it, and you're right. Our only recourse is to appeal the ruling of the Chair, because you sit up there as God Almighty in that position and that... the Chair has a lot of power. You're using that power to destroy the right of the people to vote on a question."
"Mr. Ropp."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I have been extremely pleased with the leadership of the real Speaker of this chamber for the last term and a half. It seems like we have an individual who is extremely articulate, who, every day of his life, is so extremely dedicated and so organized that I think all of us here could look to him for that outstanding leadership, because no person has taken the concerns of operating of this House any better than he has up until about three weeks ago. 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Now, in an attempt to resolve a very serious situation that we have, in the last three days we ought to be in a position now to put two or three Bills together. It is not uncommon for us to have done this in the last several months."
"Mr. Ropp, I want to give you full latitude. Let me... Let me say this to the House, to the Body. I want to give each of you an opportunity to address the Chair's ruling, and each of you will be given that opportunity to briefly address the Chair's ruling, but I will not allow you to go beyond the scope of the ruling. The reasons for the ruling, the wisdom of the ruling is one thing. I am bound, as are all of the other 117 of you, to rule in accordance with Rule 72, on the Precedence of Motions. I am following the rules for which Mr. Friedrich, the Gentleman from Marion, is the... the Minority Spokesman of the Rules Committee. And I will certainly allow any of the speakers to address my ruling, but not to go beyond that. Please don't abuse it, Sir. Is that an appeal from the ruling of the Chair? Is that what you're doing? Oh, you won't question it. Oh, surely. Alright, then. On... On Mr. Madigan's Motion, Mr. Ropp. Mr. Hallock."
"I don't believe we had a resolution to my Motion. My Motion was - and I'll cite you the rule in a moment, here - that I move that we go to the Order of Motions and then on that Order, we move specifically to the Motion, which was to call Senate Bill 476, the Public Aid Bill; House Bill 655 and House Bill 993. Now a specific citation for that in our rules, right here we have, on page six, for your information, Rule 11 (b), which says, 'Any Order of Business may be changed at any time upon the Motion of any Member supported by five additional Members.' And I now make that Motion and ask for a vote on that Motion." 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Yes, Mr. Hallock, so that you understand, the Chair is in... is obviously aware of that ruling. That is when we are not in the midst of debate. We don't read these in an isolated fashion. Indeed, that's what it says, but I point out to you again, Rule 72 says that while a question is under debate, no Motion may be entertained except for some very specific procedural Motions. Now, Mr. Hallock, if you are prepared to overrule the Chair, you may... I will recognize you. If you are not, I will go on to others. Are you prepared to rule that? Mr. Hallock?"
"We were on no debate at all..."
"We were absolutely..."
"Motion... The substitute Motion is always in order, Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Hallock, you are out of order, Sir. We were in the midst of debating Mr. Madigan's Motion to adopt the Conference Committee Report. And on that, the Lady from Sangamon, Ms. Oblinger."
"Mr. Speaker, I do have a question."
"Yes."
"You referred to 39 (b), and it says, 'When a Bill or Resolution...', and you said we're to come back to the same Order of Business. However, in here it says, 'When it's called on either the Order of Second Reading or Third Reading', and we're not on Second or Third Reading. We're on Conference Reports. I want to know how that applies. And when we're on Conference Reports..."
"It's a separate sentence, Mrs. Oblinger. We have returned to this Order. I recognized Mr. Madigan. He made the... He made his Motion again. He put his Motion a second time, and although he did not have to, because I announced that I was calling on him on that Order. At this point, I ruled Mr. Johnson's Motions as not being timely. 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 and I have pointed out that Mr. Hallock's Motion is also out of order. Now, Mr. Ewing, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Parliamentary Inquiry. If we vote on this Motion a second time and it fails to receive enough votes to pass, what will its position be?"
"It will... It will be on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Mr. Vinson. Yes, I'm sorry. Mr. Ewing. Yes."
"Can we..."
"Tom."
"We can... Thank you, Allen. Can we vote on a Conference Committee Report any number of times? That's my inquiry."
"Any number of times."
"Thank you."
"Till it... Yes, any number of times. Yes, Mr. Vinson?"
"Mr. Speaker and Mr. real Speaker. Mike, I would ask you to withdraw your Motion at this time so that we can go to a Motion that would involve all three Bills and that would ensure not only that welfare recipients got checks, but also that unemployed people got jobs and also that coal was utilized in this state. We can take all three things together. We can act on all three things together. If you, as an individual and as the Presiding Officer in this chamber, would simply withdraw your Motion, and then we can provide jobs and welfare..."
"Alright. Mr. Vinson, on the Motion, please. Mr. Johnson, on the Motion. On the ruling, I mean."
"Point of parliamentary inquiry and a point of order. Rule 82 of our House Rules incorporates therein, we're not in conflict with our other House Rules, Roberts' Rules of Order. And I would specifically invite your attention to 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Section 10, pages 7... 95 and 96 of Roberts' Rules of Order which provide, among other things, quote, "A Member speaking in debate can urge rejection of the pending Motion, saying that if it is voted down, he'll offer a different main Motion on the same subject, which he can describe briefly. If the pending Motion is thereafter voted down, the Chair immediately recognizes this Member again for the purpose of making his alternative Motion, even if another Member rises to claim the floor first and addresses the Chair." So in keeping with Representative Ewing's inquiry, my inquiry is, if this Motion which we've addressed parliamentarily so far, fails, will you then move pursuant to Roberts' Rules of Order, since it's not in conflict with our other House Rules, to my Motion, which would allow us to hear Build Illinois, jobs and welfare all on the same Roll Call?"
"Mr. Johnson, the Chair is not prepared to make perspective rulings of any kind. I would also have to look and see whether such rule... such a Motion would stand the test of a request for division of... division of the question. I'm not sure. I would have checked that. But in any event, the answer is that I am now prepared, Mr. Johnson, I am now prepared to proceed on Mr. Madigan's Motion unless I hear an appeal from the ruling of the Chair. Mr. Johnson."
"Well, since it's obvious, from the Chair, from the other side of the aisle, that we're not going to let the people of Illinois have an opportunity to hear all the issues that affect this Session and..."
"Mr. Johnson. You, Sir, are very much out of order. Now, on Mr. Madigan's... Oh, you're definitely in order. Alright. The question is... Do you wish to debate that, Sir? Alright. I thought you were going to do it 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 calmly. Go ahead, Mr. Johnson."
"Mr. Speaker, I always keep my calm, just as you do. I have a tradition around here of being calm, cool, collected. And so, accordingly, and with my friendship for the Chair in mind, I would move, since it is, in my judgment, violation of the House Rules, to appeal the ruling of the Chair."
"Are you joined by six Members? Well, yes. Seemingly so. Alright. On Mr. Johnson's Motion to overrule... to appeal the ruling of the Chair, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I rise in support of the Motion, and I do it very cautiously, because it's not too often that we in this House move to this Order of Business and take this step. And it is, in fact, a drastic step, but I believe it's one which has to be taken for the citizens of this state. We have, here in Illinois, been at a stalemate for four days, now. The Senate has been done for two days with their obligations and their duties to the people of this state. This Resolution would solve that crisis. This Resolution will ensure that those people on public aid who need the money to exist, in fact, do get that money, and they should have it. This Bill also will ensure... This Motion also will ensure that we get to the Order of Business of Build Illinois, which will ensure that the unemployed people in our state and those who want to keep feeding their families in the future will also have their chance to do that. This is a proper Motion. It's a very serious Motion. And I would hope all Members of the House will join me on this, and I urge..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Hallock. Alright, now. Understand... Understand, there are a few folks who would like to speak on this, and the other day, I held you 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 strictly to discuss the Motion, and that's what I expect today. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."
"I'd like to support Representative Johnson's Motion. The reason is, I think your... your ruling was arbitrary. There is a remedy in the rules. It's been pointed out to you, both in Roberts' Rules of Order and in our own rules, that you could make a different decision which would, you know, break the deadlock in this House over something that's very important. So, I say that I support it because, again, I say you're making arbitrary rulings. I suspect that your ruling was made before the Motion was put."
"Mr. Davis, the Gentleman from Will."
"Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of Representative Johnson's Motion to overrule the ruling of the Chair, and it's very simple, because this Roll Call will prove to the people in the State of Illinois who is blocking the work of the House. Now, this Roll Call appeals an arbitrary and premeditated ruling of the Chair. There's no question what you're doing, Mr. Speaker, and now with... through the efforts of the fourth estate who is here, all the people of Illinois will know what the Democratic Party is up to. It is painfully obvious that we do not wish to overrule the Speaker of this House. He's our Speaker on both sides, but you, Sir, either acting in his capacity or on your own, have been capricious and arbitrary in denying us the opportunity for incorporating all three Bills into a Motion. And that's the reason for this Motion, and I'm speaking to it. It is painfully obvious now to all the people of Illinois that this Roll Call will tell exactly what the Democrat Party is all about, exactly who is blocking the issue, here. It hasn't been us for three days, and it won't be us today..." 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"To the Motion, Mr... Davis. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, on the Motion to appeal the ruling of the Chair."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Brief inquiry. On what Motion did the Chair rule? Representative Johnson's Motion, Representative Hallock's Motion, or both?"
"Yes."
"All of the above. Okay. Thank you."
"But I... I think Mr. Johnson was the one, however, who was requesting the appeal of the Chair, and I suggest it was on his Motions that he was making the appeal. So that, we are, therefore, questioning whether Mr. Johnson, after debate has begun, can enter the fray with a Motion. That is what is in front of us now. I have ruled to the contrary. And on that, Mr. McCracken, I recognize you, Sir."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Speaker has denied what we have commonly called a substitute Motion in his ruling. That Motion would be to consolidate, for a single vote, the three Bills at issue - Public Aid, Build Illinois, and the Democrat version of Build Illinois. Those three Bills are, indeed, the logjam, and I would like you to consider, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Johnson's discussion relative to the precise issue. He moved to suspend the appropriate rule on which you relied in denying his Motions or declaring them out of order. As you know, any rule can be suspended by 60 affirmative votes in the absence of a stated requirement of a greater number. That Motion is always in order. That Motion takes precedence. That Motion can be heard at any time. You have ruled out of order not only his originally written Motions, you have ruled out of order Representative Hallock's Motion to move to a particular Order of Business. 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 You have ruled out of order Representative Johnson's Motion to suspend the appropriate rules, which is done commonly, all of the time, orally and, as on noncontroversial matters, is done by leave of the House. That ruling, at this time, in light of that history of precedence, is an abuse of the Chair and, I think, demonstrates dramatically the fact that the other side of the aisle is not interested in resolving the issue."
"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Again, I rise with a great deal of regret that we have to do this. I rise also with a great deal of sincere respect for the Gentleman in the Chair and respect for the Chair in total. I'm not the Parliamentarian here. I very rarely stand up and speak on Parliamentarian issues, but you know, Mr. Speaker, and everybody in this chamber knows that there are ways to get around issues. As a matter of fact, yesterday, when I stood, there... you accepted, and then I made a Motion to take something out of the record. And there was a substitute Motion made at that time, and you accepted it. I believe that there's a way to solve a problem. There's a solution that we can find to expedite passing, whether it's public aid or the rest of the budget that we talk about mental health or whatever those things that we have to fund in the state, and you all know what those are. There's a solution. It's practical. It can be done..."
"Mr. Hastert, on the Motion. On the Motion."
"And I would accept that... that Motion be voted upon positively."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich."
"Let's vote and move the previous question."
"Mr. Terzich moves that the main question be 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 put. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The previous question be put. The question is, 'Shall the Chair be overruled?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. It requires 60 affirmative votes. Mr. Churchill, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A lot of people being affected today by this vote and by the other votes that are going to happen here. There are a lot of people who should be receiving checks who are not receiving checks. There are people who work for government or get checks from government who are questioning whether or not those checks will come. There are those who question whether or not the 15th of the month will arrive, and we will still not have a resolution of this matter. I want to vote for public aid. I want to vote for the budget. I want to vote for Build Illinois. I want to vote for all of the items on the budget. We're in a logjam. We're in a logjam, a very serious logjam, here. And I was always told that politics abhors a logjam, so what I say to you on the other side of the aisle is, join us. Let's get over this logjam, and let's move forward and finish up the business of the House."
"Mr. Ropp, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to recall for you a picture that I'm sure you have all seen - the fact of two large bales of hay, the fact with each being tied, one to an elephant and one to a donkey with a large chain, both of them stretched to the very end of the length of that chain, and neither one of them got to the hay. By voting green this time, we will complete that story, where both of those animals came together, ate one bale of hay, then went over 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 and ate the other bale. Please vote green."
"Mr. Stephens, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In explanation of my vote, I would move to... I support the Motion, because I wanted to see how the board lit up, because yesterday, I heard a lot of rhetoric. I saw the Chair use the same book of rules that you're using today to defend your actions and ignore several of the rules about decorum in voting, to sit there and listen to language that you knew was out of order, to accusations that you knew were out of order, and then you turn to the book today in defense of your actions. In explanation of my vote, this gives me a chance to vote for public aid and for jobs for Illinois, and those of you, who yesterday stood up in all your demagoguery and said that you really cared about the people of Illinois, where are you today? You criticize this side of the aisle for following a true leader. I think that you are in need of a leader on your side of the aisle and therefore, I vote 'yes'."
"Mr. Vinson, one minute to explain your vote. The clock is on."
"Mr. Speaker, Mr. real Speaker, a great Democrat, Franklin Roosevelt once understood that you had to have both welfare and jobs. Your vote, your denial of a chance to put those two issues together and vote for them today is something you ought to seriously think about, because you're the person now denying welfare and jobs to the people of Illinois."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 47 voting 'aye', 64 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the Motion fails, and the ruling of the Chair is not appealed. Mr. Madigan on the question - on the original 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 question."
"Mr. Speaker, once again I will move for the adoption of the Conference Committee Report. We have heard statements from the other side of the aisle to the effect that now, I and the Democrats are responsible for withholding the payment of welfare checks to those who simply cannot survive without those checks. Let's not get wrapped up and wound up in our own rhetoric. Here is the Bill. All you need do is to supply a handful of votes for the Bill now, and the checks can go out within an hour, because I'm sure the Governor would sign this Bill as soon as it arrives in his office. Mr. Speaker, again, I move to adopt the Conference Committee Report."
"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm really interested in what they're saying on the other side of the aisle. Suddenly, it's the fault of everybody around here that public aid budget isn't passed. For six months, we've had a Majority of Democrats in the Senate, a Majority of Democrats in the House. We've had a Democrat President of the Senate, and a Democrat Speaker of the House. They had 60 votes any time they wanted to pass a Bill on anything. The Bill... The appropriation Bills, if the House had been run orderly and timely, would have been out of here on June the 15th, not July the 5th or 6th or 7th or 8th, because the votes were there. They had... When you have the Majority, you not only have the privilege, but you have the responsibility of running State Government. They have not lived up to that responsibility, and no appropriations are passed for all the things that are needed. And here we sit, on the 5th, and now they're trying to tell us that we're somehow... we're responsible for public aid recipients not having their money on a timely basis. I say that's... that's as 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 phony as a three dollar bill."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I think maybe it's appropriate to remember what our action on this Motion will do this afternoon. Today, some 32,658 welfare checks were scheduled to be sent. By the end of the afternoon, 91,065 checks will not have been sent. Had they been sent, welfare recipients could have picked them up tomorrow. Let me remind you who those recipients are. Most of them are children. I don't think the children who rely upon us to see to it that there is food on their table, I don't think they care about pork barrel projects in Republican districts. I don't think they care about how we do or do not run this House. What they care about is whether there will be enough food for them to eat. What they care about is whether there will be medical assistance available should it turn out that they break an arm, should it turn out that they need it. The basic responsibility before us today is to see to it that 300,000 people in this state, the vast majority of them children, get their welfare checks tomorrow. They can have those checks in hand tomorrow, but only if we say yes to the Motion to adopt Conference Committee Report 1 to Senate Bill 476."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It would have been very well if consensus could have been reached, if we could have considered these issues and done our constitutional duty and left here, having taken care of the business of the people of the state. It is patently clear, however, that no consensus has been reached, and that's unfortunate, not only for us, but for those thousands of people out there who are depending on our action for their livelihood. Yesterday, in the debate, 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 as the rhetoric got... got heated and as tempers began to flare, there was a lot of discussion about who was holding the poor hostage, and now I think we sit here today, all of us equally responsible for the poor being held hostage to this legislative process. It is a process that was supposed to take us beyond the kind of activity that we've seen in the middle east where people just go forward and throw down the gauntlet and kill each other with no reason, no rationale, no honor about what they do. It's a process that's supposed to serve us so that we can serve others in an honorable fashion. I think that this deadlock is most unfortunate. I think this deadlock is a tragedy. But I think that we, as people of conscience, have a responsibility today to vote to see to it these checks go out, to pass this budget, to, as individual Members elected as individuals, to see to it that this budget passes so that we can move forward with the other business. There is a difference. There is a difference between Build Illinois and feeding Illinois. There is a difference between what we do in the future for economic development in our state and what we do today to feed the poor, and I would just appeal to the Members of this House, if we can set partisan differences aside and set aside the brinksmanship that we've seen going on here today and yesterday and the day before that, and do what we have to do to break this logjam on this one vote, to break the logjam by our own act of conscience in seeing to it that the public aid budget is passed and especially, especially, seeing to it that never again will this chamber be held up to public ridicule by virtue of our crass tying together of the issues of public aid and the welfare of our people and any other issue that comes before us. That is the tragedy here, that we've tied these issues together to begin with. They seem to be 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 inseparable, but I think we have to set a precedent here, a precedent here for future Sessions, that we will never again have the poor held out in front of combatants on other issues. I urge your green vote on Senate Bill 476."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."
"Public perception, sometimes, for better or worse, is a good part of what we do here. You know, two or three months ago or maybe less, people saw me on the floor of the House speak out for something that I believed in, and that was the cause of injured people and poor people who didn't have access to our judicial system in the debate on medical malpractice, and I believed that, and I believe it now. And I believe, as many of the speakers on the other side of the aisle have said, that the problems of poor people are not only important, but of great importance. But I think it's important for the people of this chamber and the people of the State of Illinois to know that it isn't the Republican Party, and it isn't our 'no' or 'present' votes on this Motion that are the problem. It's the Speaker of this House who, in any one of a number of ways in the past, and now, and in the future, could have solved this problem. It's the Speaker of this House who's preventing those checks from going out. The Speaker of the House could have adopted the same Order of Call that the Senate had. The Speaker of the House could put the votes on Build Illinois. The Speaker of the House could have kept his commitment that the other four actors in the process have kept, and just as important as the Speaker of the House, the acting Speaker could have let us, a few moments ago, vote on three issues that are important to all the people of Illinois at one time. So, don't let anybody leave this chamber today, don't let the media leave today and say that it's us who are punishing the poor. You run the House. The Democratic 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Speaker, Speaker Madigan, runs this process, and if he wanted to do it, and if he wants to do it or if he wants to do it five minutes from now, Mr. Speaker, you can get this whole problem solved. The checks will be on their way, and it won't be anybody... any for the worse. It's you who are doing it, not us. Now, Representative McPike, who... who is, and I hope always will be, a good friend of mine, and several of the other speakers today, in addressing this issue, really, in a lot of ways, very artfully made light of our stress on the other parts of this package, as though, somehow, they didn't have equal significance. He talked about a firehouse here, and somebody else said a Republican pork barrel project here, and so forth. I don't think that's fair, and I think when we discuss this whole issue, we've got to look and see what they were humiliating, what they were denegrating, what they were putting down. We're talking about a small business loan program as part of these other two Bills that would provide food for other families, that would allow little independent businessmen to grow up and meet their... meet their dream in this great society of ours and this free enterprise system of ours. And soil conservation - maybe some of you who represent the City of Chicago, you don't understand that, but for those of us who represents downstate... represent downstate Illinois, that's a vital issue. That's how we feed the world. And those of you who think that that isn't important to us, that that isn't our own analogue to what you're talking about here, don't understand the realities of downstate life and soil conservation. We're talking about technical schools and engineering schools that can provide people who are going to provide a cure for cancer, who are going to build roads and schools and our whole future in the bigger sense of the 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 word. We're talking about, in this program, a new hazardous waste cleanup system, so that people whose homes and lives have been threatened by the problem of toxic waste are going to have an opportunity to have their lives and their homes - again, an analogue to what you're talking about - cleaned up and saved and have a brighter future. We're talking about scientific survey resources so that people at the survey systems can provide new mechanisms for warning against hazardous weather conditions so that people can have their lives and property saved from tornadoes and so forth. We're talking, I'm sure, about roads that provide jobs, that provide an economic future for this state. We're talking about a lot more. We're talking about a supercollider that could have the potential to turn this economy of this state that has lagged in some ways over the course of the progress to the sun belt..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Johnson. Excuse me, Mr. Bowman, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, this is a Motion on a Conference Committee Report regarding the budget of the Department of Public Aid. Now, I'm Chairman of the Appropriations II Committee, and I can absolutely guarantee everybody here on this floor that the superconducting supercollider is not in this Bill. The Gentleman is not speaking to the Bill, Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Johnson, confine your remarks to the issue at hand. Proceed, Sir."
"Representative Bowman is right. That isn't in this Bill. They didn't give us an opportunity to put it in this Bill on this Motion, so we're consigned with the opportunity to discuss, like Representative Braun and Representative Currie and Representative McPike yesterday, the bigger issue. But I'll accede to his wishes and close with two thoughts. One is, I intend, assuming this Motion 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 fails, acting pursuant to Rule 82 of our House Rules, in Section 10 and various Subsections of Roberts' Rules of Order to call my Motion that was previously out or order... #
"Excuse me. Excuse me. Now you are out of order. No, no. Now, you're discussing what you're... Mr. Johnson, I thought you were calm. Mr. Johnson, I thought you were calm. Now you may address the Motion at hand. We have concluded with the parliamentary issues, and if you will address the Motion and calm down, we will allow you to continue. Proceed, Sir."
"I am calm, Mr. Speaker. I just hope that you'll give me the opportunity, like any other Member of this House, to have my points heard. We were friends before. We'll be friends again, but please be fair. In closing, I would simply say that the Speaker of the House has prevented these checks from going out. We've given you an opportunity. We're going to give you another opportunity, but for right now, we're going to vote 'present'. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The previous speaker tried to make it seem that these issues were combined into some kind of a package, that somehow, the... that sewers and life support for poor people were on the same moral plane, that we had to consider them together or not at all. I would remind everybody in this chamber that the budget for the Department of Public Aid is an annual ritual in this chamber. It is something that we do every year. Indeed, it is something that we must do every year, because the statutes of the State of Illinois command us to fund these programs. The package that the people on the other side of 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 the aisle are trying to prepare, here, contains elements that are novel, that are unique, that this is the first time in the... perhaps in... ever, that we have considered some of these things. They are extras. They are frills. Ladies and Gentlemen, compared to the issues contained in the Motion before us. Now, I... I hope all of us can agree that it is a crime that this Motion has to be considered this late in the Session. It is a crime, but it is not involuntary manslaughter. It is premeditated murder. It is premeditated because the Sponsors of this legislation, the Republican Sponsors, of whom the Minority Leader is one, took this Bill out of the record on several occasions to prevent the Bill from even going to a Conference Committee prior to the June 30th deadline. If we had been able to put this Bill into Conference Committee a week ago, two weeks ago, and we were prepared to do this, and yet they took it out of the record, if we could have got it into a Conference Committee a couple of weeks ago, we could have disposed of this issue in a timely fashion and not had the gun held to our heads. No, strike that. Not had the gun held to the heads of poor people in this state at this time. It was a deliberate attempt orchestrated by the Republican Party starting as long ago as two weeks ago to get us into this posture to put poor people into the posture they are now with a gun to their heads. I think everybody should understand where the locus responsibility lies, why we have come to this pass and why we should pass this Motion now."
"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."
"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn, moves that the main question be put. All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 'ayes' have it and the main question will be put. The question is, 'Shall the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Ewing, the Gentleman from Livingston, one minute to explain your vote."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, today, the vote's much the same, but certainly, the attitude in this chamber is very different. I feel a little bit like the old dog that's alternate days. Once he's kicked, and the next day, he's given candy to try and get him to do what he wants. Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, I'm voting 'present' because we have given you an alternative to do what you want. You have turned it down. I think it's certainly time for Speaker Madigan to take the next move and to move an alternative that will break this deadlock."
"Mr. Levin, one minute to explain your vote."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I heard several people on the other side of the aisle refer to a deal which was not followed up on. It was broken. Well, I remember about three nights ago, there was a deal on Build Illinois, and I remember the Minority Leader getting up and talking about how good the deal was, and they voted for the first part of the deal on that side of the aisle, but then, they broke the deal, and they didn't vote for the second part. So who's not voting for deals? Who's not concerned about Build Illinois? But that's not what I heard when I went home today and was in my office, and the calls came in from the people who didn't get their checks, and there was a woman who didn't get her public aid check, and on top of it, she had just had her food stamps stolen. What was she going to do? Well, about all she could do is call Mr. 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Daniels. And then, there's the phone call from the individual who asked me to call his landlord, because he was going to be thrown out because his public aid check didn't come. I think Mr. Daniels ought to call the landlord, and Mr. Daniels ought to be the one to pay the late fees for all the public aid recipients around the state."
"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Several days ago, the five parties reached an accommodation. The Senate upheld their bargain. The Governor stands ready to do the same. Mr. Daniels stands ready to do the same and to pass this budget, as well as the rest of the budget and Build Illinois. Today, this side has been accused of trying to muddy the waters by putting the three Bills together. However, I think we all know and recognize that the Governor offered this as another way of breaking this logjam so that the public aid checks can go out, as well as people getting jobs and keeping jobs. We have accepted the Governor's suggestion to break this logjam. You have rejected it. When you're ready, we will be ready, and the checks can go out."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Young, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I didn't intend to speak on this issue today because I thought I expressed myself yesterday. I feel exactly today as I did yesterday. But I wanted to just make it clear that I think it's outrageous for the people on the other side of the aisle to tell me that if I want to vote 'yes' on public aid, that I should not be allowed to cast that vote individually and that you're giving us an 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 alternative by allowing us to put public aid with a 378 million spending package. I think every Member of this Body ought to have a right to vote on an individual basis as to whether or not we're going to fund public aid and on an individual basis as to whether or not we have to give 378 million that your Governor did not request. I think it's outrageous and ridiculous, and for you to say you have offered us an alternative, it's an ultimatum. You're saying, 'I know you won't vote 'no' against public aid. You'll probably vote 'no' against 378 million Republican pork, so we want to put them together so you won't have a choice.'"
"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Cowlishaw, one minute to explain your vote."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would offer my personal perspective on the vote I have cast today. I am aware of the fact that the central message, among all the lessons of St. Paul, has to do with the corporate quality of humankind, that is, that we're all in it together. It's a sort of, 'for whom the bell tolls - no man is an island' kind of issue. And I would point out to you that there must be a reason beyond my comprehension for the Speaker of the House to insist that one, and only one, appropriations Bill is important. It seems to me that the whole appropriations process is what is truly important, and I see here on the Calendar before me, appropriations Bills for the Human Rights Commission, the Emergency Services and Disaster Agency, the Department of Children and Family Services. It seems to me that all of those Bills are of great importance, just as this one is, and once again, I sincerely have to wonder why the Speaker has chosen this one Bill, and only this one Bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker." 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't rise to explain my vote, I rise on a point of confusion. The other night, and Build Illinois contained 1.3 billion dollars in projects, 800 million by the Governor, 500 million by Democrats, it was agreed on. The Republicans on that side of the aisle evidently don't know the Governor, because they weren't included in his 800 million dollars worth of projects, so they humiliated the Governor in the back of the room the other day and decided to put 400 million on their own package on. And today, just a few speakers ago, this was the Governor's suggestion to put these together. I'm confused. Are we... Do we know him, or don't we know him? 1.2 billion total, then, in Republican spending. And Democrats are supposed to be the big spenders. I'm confused. I feel like a piker over here."
"Mr. Hallock, one minute to explain your vote. The Gentleman from Winnebago."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I, too, am kind of baffled, but probably about a different topic. I've heard, for the last couple of days, comments from your side of the aisle asking and pleading us to call the public aid budget and pass it. But we disagreed to do that on the last Motion. We agreed to pass Bills which would provide, in fact, needy assistance and also jobs for people in Illinois. But I'm really baffled, because I don't understand the Democratic logic. I mean, here they are willing to support 3.4 billion dollars on an annual basis, 3.4 billion for public aid, which I guess we should do, and that helps part of the million people in Chicago who need it, and we should do that. But at the same time, they won't... they want to support 3.4 billion on an annual 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 basis, they will not support 1.3 billion on a five year basis for jobs and economic development to help the unemployed in our state. Now, that logic just baffles me, and I think that's a clear message to be delivered here today. We can do both. Let's do them. I urge a 'present' vote until we can do that."
"Mr. Kulas, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is extortion with a capitol E, and the main... head extortionist is sitting in his chair over there, and he's sat there for two days and hasn't said a word. He's extorted the Governor, and now, he wants to extort the poor people of the State of Illinois. Why haven't we heard from him? Don't blame the Democrats. Don't blame the Speaker. Put the blame where it belongs. You made a fool of the Governor, and now you're going to make fools of everyone. Well, Governor, I'm going to apologize for this whole Body for the way you were treated on Tuesday night, because nobody deserves to be treated that way, and I don't think the poor people of the State of Illinois deserve to be treated the way the Republicans are treating them today."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Turner, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I know that lobbyists aren't allowed on this floor, but I consider myself both, both a Legislator and a lobbyist for the poor people of this state who don't have a voice, who cannot afford to pay to have a lobbyist here to tell you their viewpoint. I am asking you and urging you that you vote to pass the public aid Bill out of this Assembly today, and that we continue with our political bickering, but not on the backs of poor people of this state. I've heard everybody say that, oh the poor public 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 aid... they don't want... they think that what we're doing here is wrong, and I'm asking you today, lobbying you for future legislation, that next... that as we come back and prepare to deal with Bills in the future, that a Bill be put in place, that public aid be continually funded regardless to how we decide what we're going to do on June 30th. And I'm lobbying you now to free the public aid... those people in this state who are depending upon public aid, but more importantly, because the political finagling is going to continue, that this General Assembly deals with poor people, and let's not involve them in the political bickering that we continue and... continue on. So I ask you not only to give us a vote today, but to help the poor people of this state stay out of the pork fights and all of the other political carrying on, because they don't have any... they don't know what's going on, here, just as many of us are not sure what's going on on this floor. But we're going to hold firm with our green lights, here. We asked the Members on the other side, those of you who keep saying that you're sympathetic, and you go along, and you don't think that the poor people should be held hostage, to give them the extra six votes at this particular time and to support future legislation so that this does not happen again."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 65 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 47 voting 'present', and the House does... and the Motion to adopt Conference Committee #1 fails. On the Motion, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, I have filed a Motion. Would the Clerk read the Motion?"
"Mr. Clerk." 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"I move to postpone the consideration of the attached Bills on the Order set forth until October 16, 1985: House Bills 66, 137, 431, 567, 655, 692, 703, 720, 993, 1188, 1279, 1285, 1500, 1769, 1918, 1921, 1977, 2232 and 2418; Senate Bills 448, 537, 830, 847, 879, 1004, 1095, 1152, 1287 and 1379. Signed by M.J. Madigan."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, on the Motion. Excuse me? Yes, Mr. McCracken, for a point of order."
"Two Points, Mr. Speaker. First, Representative Johnson's Motion has precedence pursuant to Roberts' Rules of Order. Second, the Gentleman's Motion is out of order, because some of the Bills he refers to do not appear on any Calendars. And I call your attention specifically to House Bill 655 which, in direct violation of Rule 79(c), has not been reported on any Calendar, Supplemental or Regular, even though it's been passed by the Senate, even though the message has been transmitted to the Clerk, even though Rule 79(c) requires mandatorily that that Bill so appear. It appears nowhere on any Calendar, and I didn't catch all of the Bills in question, but at least a few others of those do not appear on any Calendar anywhere. The Gentleman's Motion, for both reasons, is out of order. I'd like a ruling relative to Representative Johnson's previously put Motion and my Motion."
"Mr. McCracken, if the Chair understands your objection, first let me tell you that Mr. Madigan's Motion is a Motion to postpone and accordingly, has precedence over any of the Motions that might otherwise be put. That is the question on that issue. And on the... As far... And that would be accordance with individual... description of classes in individual order and precedence of Motions as it appears in Roberts' Rules of Order. Insofar as the other 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 question is concerned, the Bill is within the House, and there would be nothing that would stop us from dealing with it on a Motion. Mr. Johnson, for what purpose do you seek recognition? For what purpose, Mr. Johnson? A point of order. Proceed, Sir."
"Who controls that electrician, by the way? Every time I get to a point that I want to make that you don't want me to make, somehow, it magically shuts off."
"Proceed, Mr. Johnson."
"My point is this: Rule 82, as I've previously stated, as I think you agree, makes - and I think you've acknowledged that in your ruling - makes Roberts' Rules of Order, newly revised, governing of the House in all matters where they are applicable, and in all matters where they are not otherwise in conflict with the Rules of the 84th General Assembly. Then, I want to call your attention specifically, and I want you to rule on this specific point of order, that my Motion that I filed and that we discussed earlier, a consolidated Roll Call is in order, for this reason, and that is this, pages 95 and 96..."
"Excuse me, Mr. Johnson. We are not addressing your Motion. Your Motion has not been called. The Chair has not recognized you for your Motion. You have filed a Motion, indeed you have, as have others. You have, several times in debate, referred to your Motion, but that's not filing it, Mr... Mr. Johnson. We are on Mr. Madigan's Motion. He has made a Motion to postpone.... Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson, please. Mr. electrician, leave Mr. Johnson on. We expect Mr. Johnson to conduct himself in a courteous way. Now, Mr. Madigan has filed a Motion to postpone. It is a subsidiary Motion which has precedence, in accordance with Roberts' Rules of Order. The Chair is making that holding. Your Motion is not before the Body. 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Now, Mr. Johnson, did you wish to respond? Excuse me, Clerk for a Calendar announcement. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk."
"Supplemental Calendar #3 is being distributed."
"Mr. Johnson. Excuse me, Mr... Now, Mr. Johnson."
"I'll withhold my specific comments on this specific rule until Representative Vinson talks, and I'd like to yield my time to Representative Vinson."
"The Gentleman from... Well, let's see. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I am advised that not only Mr. Madigan but... and now this entire chamber should be advised that in the event that Mr. Madigan's Motion is considered and in the event that Mr. Madigan's Motion should pass this House, the Governor will issue a proclamation immediately calling this General Assembly back into Session at 10:00 tomorrow with these specific Bills on the call... on his Motion."
"Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, a question. Was that... Mr. Vinson, was that a point of order you were rising to now?"
"I am just... No. It is debate on..."
"... Mr. McCracken."
"Point of Order, Mr. Speaker, relative to your ruling on my Motion. Now, we see the Supplemental Calendar appear with some of these Bills put on the Order of Business. Now and only now, does the Gentleman's Motion comport with the rules. But since July 3rd, House Bill 655 has been available for publication on the Calendar. Since July 3rd, we've had the opportunity, or should have had the opportunity, to have these called for a vote."
"Make your point concisely and briefly, Sir."
"And only in the context of a Motion to Postpone 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Consideration do we see these Bills come alive."
"Alright. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."
"Well, I'd just like to say, we've got... records are made to be broken. We've got a new one. That's the first time it took three days for a Senate Message to get on the Calendar, and I'm happy it finally get here, but I challenge anybody else to show one that took longer."
"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."
"Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry, and actually, a request. I went up to the well to see if I could get a copy of the Bills that we're postponing. They were read rather rapidly. They say that isn't available. I had asked earlier for a very personal little Bill that I have for a Senator, if it could be postponed. I don't believe that it was read in the list, and I'm wondering, well... Now I have the list, and I'm certain, Mr. Speaker..."
"1152. Wasn't that the question? Yes. Right there."
"Yes. Yes. 1152. I thank you, but you know, I'm... My request is that we have a chance to look at this list. We know that you can gavel this through. You have proven that today. You've proven it on many days. But certainly, the fairness that you all indicate that you have on your side would give us a few moments to review this list."
"Of course. Of course. Mr. Ewing, you may certainly have an opportunity to examine the list, and while you are examining it, we will call on Mr. Piel. Is this... Mr. Piel, now, Mr. Madigan has put the Motion to postpone. There have been several points of order. Mr. Piel, are you on the Motion? On the Motion, Mr. Piel."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. According to our rules, first of all, we cannot 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 act on anything that's on a Supplemental Calendar until the Calendar's been on our desk for an hour. It was just put on our desk, and as I recall, it was about five minutes ago that it was announced. Second thing - You know, I would like the Chair to sort of answer. I mean, the question's been brought up a couple of times, Mr. Speaker, in reference to the one Bill that's on the Calendar. This is the first day that this thing has finally... 655 has finally appeared on the Calendar. This is something that is very serious. Today, it might be one Bill. Tomorrow, it might be somebody else's Bill or somebody else's Bill. You know, where it's arbitrary where the Speakers... you know, I don't like that Bill or I don't like this Bill, so we're going to hold in our back offices underneath a bunch of papers for two, three, four days until we decide to put it in on the Calendar. Oh, fine, and everybody's looking at it as a political gesture right now, but Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, what happens to one individual today can happen to you tomorrow. If you don't have... If you have a Bill that the Speaker doesn't like, look out. It might come over from the Senate and be lost. And I can't believe that the Chair is making such light out of these proceedings, Mr. Speaker, and you know, if it's not something that you don't like, you sort of smile and shrug it off and say, 'Relax.' But this is something where you are trampling on the rights of the other Members of this House, both Democrat and Republican, and it should not happen. This House should be run in an orderly way so we can get finished with the business of the people of the State of Illinois, but if we have to stay here Saturday, Sunday, or even Monday, Mr. Speaker, we will stay here even Monday."
"Mr. Davis." 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Aloha... Mr. Speaker."
"Yes, Mr. Davis?"
"Mr. Speaker, I have an inquiry. I did not quite hear Speaker Madigan's Motion. I heard the Bills, and I tried to jot them down. I understand there's a list in front of us. What time did... What time certain did he indicate he wished to put these over to? I'm sorry. I can't hear you. I'll just ask the Chair. I don't wish to bother Speaker Madigan. He's in a Conference."
"Well, you'll have to ask me, then, I suppose."
"Well, I will. I'll ask you, then."
"What can I... What can I do for you?"
"Was it... Was it October 16th? Someone standing... Representative Cullerton..."
"Yes, it was October the 16th. Yes."
"Well, let me suggest to the Body that every single Bill on that list in the budget will be back in here tomorrow morning at 10:00 because the Governor's going to call a Special Session to have them in here, and we'll be sitting here discussing the entire budget for as long as it takes. Aloha, Speaker."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal privilege. And to correct the record for all of you, and I don't know this for a fact, but I have been told that one of your Members in your Caucus stated that I was leaving for Hawaii on Monday. And just to clarify the record, I have no plans at all ever to go to Hawaii. So, let the record reflect that."
"There goes the Hawaiian vote. Further discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, excuse me. You spoke on this. Mr. McCracken."
"Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker." 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Yes, Mr. McCracken."
"Pursuant to what rule is the Motion made?"
"Roberts' Rules of Order. It's a... It's a subsidiary Motion to postpone. Quite appropriate under the rules. We did it on some other Order of Business recently."
"Roberts' Rules applies only when our rules don't... and our rules..."
"Mr. Madigan. And our... And our rules provide that. Mr. Madigan."
"And our rules provide..."
"Mr. Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker... Mr. Speaker. Mr. McCracken, give us all about ten seconds, then he can rest for awhile. So, I have been requested by the Governor to come to his office to discuss this matter. For the full understanding of the Membership, this Motion would take the two Build Illinois appropriation Bills and set them for hearing on the Fall Calendar. And in my judgment, the adoption of this Motion would eliminate further consideration of the appropriation for Build Illinois and permit us to proceed to consider the Governor's Budget as given to us by Mr. Thompson. He has asked me to come to his office with Mr. Daniels to discuss the situation. In my judgment, we should accede to the request of the Governor, but we can just simply stand at ease, because if there is no resolution of the impasse, we shall return to the floor, and we shall consider this Motion, and my judgment is, the Motion will be adopted. So, Mr. Speaker, if we could simply stand at ease."
"Mr. Madigan, it is the intention of the Chair to stand at ease with the proviso that when we return from standing at ease, we will be on this Order of Business in precisely the same position and posture. And on that, the 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 House will stand at ease until such time as the Chair calls... at the call of the Chair."
"Supplemental Calendar #4 is being distributed."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, there's no need for excitement immediately. This is just to announce to those over in their offices that they should start to come over to the floor, because we'll be ready to begin in about 10 minutes. So again, for those in their offices, you should begin to come over to the House chamber. The House shall come to order. The Chair recognizes Mr. Friedrich."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have a 45 minute recess for the purpose of a Republican Conference in Room 118 immediately."
"Mr. Friedrich, do you think we could do it in half an hour?"
"I... Well, we have a lot of people on our side of the aisle who want to express their opinion. I'll try it."
"Thank you. Mr. Giglio."
"Mr. Speaker, the Democrats would like to caucus immediately."
"Alright, so all Members will go to their respective Caucuses. Let's try to do it in one half hour. Thank you. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. The Chair would like to recognize the presence of the state's two leading citizens, Governor James and Jayne Thompson. Welcome. First Bill to be called will be Senate Bill 448 on Supplemental Calendar #3. That Bill shall be taken together with Senate Bill 1095 on Supplemental Calendar #3 and Senate Bill 476 on Supplemental Calendar #1. Those Bills shall be taken together on one Roll Call. The Chair recognizes Mr. McPike. Mr. McPike."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker." 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Mr. McPike, we have called for the consideration of three Bills together - Senate Bill 448, Senate Bill 1095, Senate Bill 476, these Bills to be taken on one Roll Call."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the... I presume these are all on Conference Committees, and I presume that this is all Conference Committee Report #1 on all three, Mr. Clerk."
"Mr. McPike, relative to Senate Bill 448, I believe that the Motion will be to adopt the First Conference Committee Report. The same would apply to Senate Bill 1095 and Senate Bill 476. Mr. McPike."
"Thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen. I move to adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 448, Senate Bill 1095 and Senate Bill 476. These include the public aid budget that we've debated for the last two days, and they include substantive language which is cleanup language for the Build Illinois program that we passed the other night. During the process of putting together the substantive language in order to cut 500 million dollars out of the Governor's original proposal, we had to strike various language for broad categories that would authorize him to spend money in areas like coal conversion, for scrubbers, for soil conservation, for wildlife habitat development and various others. We want to put that substantive language back in the authorization Bill, so that if in this fiscal year or in future fiscal years, if we appropriate line item monies for those purposes, the Governor will have the authority to spend it. That, together with the public aid budget, I would move for the adoption of these Reports."
"Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 103 'aye', 1 voting 'no'. These Reports, having received an Extraordinary Constitutional Majority, are adopted, and the Bills are hereby declared passed. The next matter will be Special Call, Appropriations, Human Services. The Clerk will read the Bills. Mr. Clerk, are you able to read the page number that these Bills appear on the Calendar as you read the Bills? That's the number on the left side, so read that also. The Clerk shall read the Bills on this Special Order of Call, Appropriations. Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 559 on Calendar page four; House Bill 660, page four; 661, on page four; 663, on page four; 664, on page four; 672, on page five; 679, on page five; 683, on page five; and Senate Bill 483, on page seven."
"On that Order, the Chair recognizes Mr. Hastert."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Order of Call, House Bill 659, is the appropriation for the Human Rights Commission. The amount is $726,000. House Bill 660, the appropriation for the Department of Human Rights, an appropriation of $3,947,800. Senate Bill 661, the appropriation for the Medical Center Commission, an appropriation of $1,792,100. House Bill 663, the appropriation for the Emergency Services and Disaster Agency, an appropriation of $26,658,200. House Bill 664, the appropriation for the Department of Children and Family Services, an appropriation of $256,193,600. House Bill 672, the appropriation for the Department of Public Health, an appropriation of $185,674,800. House Bill 679, the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities and also the Department of Guardianship and Advocacy, an 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 appropriation of $679,705,900. House Bill 683, the Historical Library, an appropriation of $10,353,800. House Bill 483, the Governor's Purchase Care Review Board, an appropriation of $149,218,800. Be happy to answer any questions."
"The Gentleman moves that those Bills pass. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Chair recognizes Mr. Anthony Young to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In... the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 664, which is the budget for the Department of Children and Family Service, there is an appropriation in the sum of $500,000 for the establishment of a model demonstration project for sex offenders. For the purposes of legislative intent, I'd like the record to clearly show that Senate Bill 1262 was rejected by this House when it failed on the Consent Calendar. And I believe this House shows that it rejected the use of the drug known as depo-provera. And I'd like the record to reflect that even though we are in support of the budget and we're in support of the program, we are in opposition to the drug depo-provera and its use."
"Mr. Dwight Friedrich, to explain his vote."
"We eliminated the appropriation for guardianship and advocacy when it came through here, and the Senate and the Conference Committee for some reason, put it back in. I have no choice now but to vote for this Roll Call, but I will tell you that I will be appealing to the Governor to reduce that appropriation so that this Commission will no longer be a nuisance to the people of the State of Illinois." 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 106 'ayes', 3 voting 'no'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared... Mr. Vitek."
"Please show that my switch wasn't working. I intend to vote 'aye' on this Bill."
"So, let the record show that Mr. Vitek is recorded as 'aye'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 567. The Chair recognizes Mr. Daniels. This matter is on page four of the regular Calendar and it would be a Motion to adopt the Conference Committee Report."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to adopt Conference Committee Report on House Bill 567 which is the IHDA funding... 567. It's got the wrong number up there, Tony. Stay alert, Tony. Which is the IHDA appropriation. The original Bill raised the Illinois Housing Development Authority's bond authorization by $1,000,000,000. And I would ask for a favorable approval of First Conference Committee Report on 567."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 83 'ayes', 20 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 830. The Chair recognizes Mr. Tate. This Bill appears on page seven of the regular Calendar. Mr. Tate."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Senate Bill 830 amends the Civil Administrative Code to authorize the Department of Conservation to assess fees for the use of facilities under the jurisdiction of the Department and to permit the Department to develop and operate public accommodations and service facilities on land under this jurisdiction and to permit the Department to offer cash incentives not exceeding 35% of the total documented cost of qualified bidders for the development of any concession complex. I move for its adoption."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 100 'ayes' 6 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Order shall be Appropriations Order II - State Government, Regulation and Revenue. The Clerk shall read the Bills on this Order of Call along with the page on the Calendar where these Bills appear."
"House Bills 652, on page four; 653, on page four; 657, on page four; 666, on page four; 668, on page four; 669, on page four; 670, on page four; and 674, on page five. Senate Bills 452, on page five; 454, on page five; and 459, on page six."
"The Chair recognizes Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt the Conference Committee Reports on the following Bills. House Bill 652, Prison Review Board, $816,700. House Bill 653, Local Government Law Enforcement Officers Training Board, $7,203,400. House Bill 657, Educational Labor Relations Board, $1,302,952. House Bill 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 666, Illinois Commerce Commission, $14,526,800. House Bill 668, Department of Revenue, $1,738,646,700. House Bill 669, Local and State Labor Relations Board, $2,128,000. House Bill 670, Illinois Racing Board, $7,144,400. House Bill 674, Department of Energy and Natural Resources, $79,925,800. Department of Conservation, $107,711,600. Senate Bill 452, Capital Development Board, $5,128,100. Senate Bill 454, Lieutenant Governor, $1,592,600. Senate Bill 459, the Environmental Protection Trust Fund Commission, $850,000."
"Those in favor of the passage of those Bills will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Brunsvold, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that I would have voted 'no' on Department of Conservation budget."
"Let the record so reflect. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 102 'ayes', 6 voting 'no'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 2418. Representative Daniels. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #3. Mr. Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2418 amends the Illinois Coal and Energy Development Bond Act to require that $2,000,000 of the bond already authorized shall be used to develop alternative forms of energy. I move the adoption of Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 2418."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', 2 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 692. Mr. Cullerton, this matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4. Mr. Cullerton."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that we adopt Conference Committee #1. One second please. Could you come back to it, Mr. Speaker? I'm sorry, I have it. This Conference Committee would allow municipalities to serve notice of multiple like violations of any ordinance in nonjailable cases in one certified mailing and would require the Secretary of State to pull the drivers license of anyone upon certification that has failed for 30 days to satisfy any final civil judgment arising from failure to pay 20 or more parking violations."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Mautino, to explain his vote."
"Thank you. I did have my light on to ask a question. My analysis of 692 also provides for a suspension for two or more warrants outstanding. Is that correct?"
"Mr. Cullerton."
"Could you repeat the question, please?"
"On page two of the Section, line five, that Section, there are two or more warrants outstanding. An individual would lose their drivers license - be suspended without a hearing on the drivers license or permit for that person."
"That's current law. The new language refers to 20 or more outstanding warrants."
"Mr. Vinson, to explain his vote." 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, with the change to 20 warrants, I think this becomes a reasonable Bill. I would ask you to reconsider this matter and to put green votes up on this Bill, because I believe that it's an essential part of the process."
"Mr. Mays, to explain his vote."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know the Secretary of State's Office has worked with the Sponsor of this measure to try to get language that's acceptable to him. I believe that this Report reflects and embodies that language. I believe it's a program that can be administered properly. I would urge its support."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this... Mr. Clerk, leave the score board open, please. Alright, the record has been taken, but this Roll Call shall be dumped. Once again, those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? This matter will require 71 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 74 'ayes', 33 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Order shall be Appropriations Special Order #3 - Public, Safety, Regulation and Licensure. The Clerk shall read the Bills on this Order of Call along with the pages where the Bills appear on the Regular Calendar. Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1097, on page 25. Senate Bill 403, on page #5; 460, on page #6; 461, on page #6; 464, on page #6; 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 468, on page #6; 470, on page #6; 473, on page #6; 475, on page #6; 480, on page #6; and 481, on page #6."
"Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt the following Bills in Conference Report: Senate Bill 403, Court of Claims Award, $5,630,739; Senate Bill 460, the Industrial Commission, $5,715,100; Senate Bill 461, Court of Claims, $5,617,100; Senate Bill 464, Department of Registration and Education, $10,034,700; Senate Bill 468, the Department of Agriculture, $46,546,200; Senate Bill 470, the Fire Marshall, $6,176,000; Senate Bill 473, Department of Nuclear Safety, $14,092,900; Senate Bill 475, Bureau of the Budget, $12,613,200; Senate Bill 480, Department of Corrections, $398,454,800; Senate Bill 481, Department of Law Enforcement, $138,916,700; Senate (sic - House) Bill 1097, Supreme Court, $129,260,600."
"Have you finished?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Mulcahey."
"Question of the Sponsor, please."
"Question of... The Sponsor indicates she will yield."
"Representative Barnes, the... you mentioned the Supreme Court, how much is the Supreme Court budget this year above and beyond what it was last year or is it below, probably?"
"Well, as it was introduced, it was $127,804.9. As it passed the House, it was $127,304.9. As it passed the Senate, it was $125,211.8. The Conference Committee is a $129,260.6."
"So, what does that mean? What is the answer to my question?" 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"That means the difference between 27... about $12,000."
"Above last year's?"
"That is correct."
"What does that go for? Where is it at?"
"Just one minute and I'll get back to you. Part of that includes the Judges' pay raises and then the entire court system."
"I beg your pardon, the Judges' pay raises?"
"Yes, Mr. Mulcahey."
"How much were the Judges' pay raises?"
"I'm really not the Sponsor of the Bill. I can see why they gave it to me."
"Mr. Leverenz."
"The..."
"Mr. Leverenz will answer the question."
"The Bill was about 20% increased over the previous year. The bulk of the 20%, if not all of it, is consumed with the new probation services division that we put in there for two million, three, six, one. I would ask for your 'aye' vote to pass the Bill or adopt the Conference Committee Report."
"The Chair recognizes the Clerk for a Calendar announcement."
"Supplemental #5, that House Calendar is now being distributed."
"Mr. Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a pay raise for the Judges in there. Is that correct? What... How much... What kind of a pay raise are they getting this year?"
"6 1/2% is the personal services increase."
"I see. Alright, the Department of Agriculture, for example, what kind of a... how is that budget compared to... to last year's?" 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Good."
"Representative Barnes."
"Representative Barnes."
"The Agriculture budget is up 3.2%. I think it is better than good, Representative Mulcahey."
"Thank you very much. Any pay raises involved in the Department of Agriculture? Does that remain pretty much the same as it was last year?"
"Just the same as for the rest of the state employees..."
"Okay, and the series of Bills that you alluded to that we're going to vote on in one lump sum, the only pay raises involved, of course, are for the Judges of the Supreme Court. Is that correct?"
"No, all the state employees."
"Oh, state... Alright, the state employees. Is that correct?"
"They get a... Yes, Representative Mulcahey."
"Thank you."
"Mr. Matijevich."
"No, I don't think it's necessary. It's a good Bill."
"Those in favor of the passage of these Bills will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Make sure the Clerk records Mr. Mulcahey as 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 110 'aye', no one voting 'no'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1857, Mr. Daniels. This appears on page three of the regular Calendar. Mr. Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1857 creates the Water Commission Act of 1985. It 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 provides funding mechanism for that Water Commission, and I would ask for your favorable support and adoption of this Bill."
"Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, I wholeheartedly support this fine Bill. Been waiting to vote for it all Session."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will... Mr. Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Sponsor indicates he will yield."
"The water... What Act was that, Representative Daniels?"
"Water Commission Act of 1985."
"Where does that affect? Does that affect the entire state, is that the idea?"
"It affects Cook County and DuPage County."
"DuPage County. Could you elaborate a little more on that? How does it affect DuPage County?"
"Yes. Let me tell you. I'm happy you asked that question because I've been waiting all Session to tell you the story. Lake Michigan has too much water in it and we want to drain some of that water down through Cook County into DuPage. And in so doing, we intend to buy our water from Cook County and spend about $30,000,000 a year to the citizens of Chicago to assist in their revenue projects. So, that's why Chicago is really very interested in the sale because we'll spend about $30,000,000 a year."
"Oh, well, that's not too... I thought it was about $17,000,000. So that's... Okay. Well... Thank you."
"Mr. O'Connell."
"A question of the Sponsor."
"The Sponsor indicates he will yield." 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Representative Daniels, portions of DuPage County are already receiving Lake Michigan water, specifically, I refer to the Village of Burr Ridge. Will the property tax apply to the Village of Burr Ridge?"
"No. No. All worked out with them. Mayor... is absolutely delighted and endorses this legislation."
"So there is no double taxation for the Village of Burr Ridge?"
"Correct. My brother lives in Burr Ridge. We wouldn't allow that to happen."
"Thank you."
"Mr. Daniels moves that the House do concur in the Senate Amendment. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 95 'ayes', 12 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 694. This appears on page five of the Supplemental Calendar. The Chair recognizes Mr. Saltsman for a Motion. Mr. Saltsman."
"Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker). Voting on the prevailing side on the Conference Committee Report which lost on 694, I vote for reconsideration of the Bill."
"Those in favor of the Motion say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted. Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt Conference Committee #1 on House Bill 694. This is a Bill which we've voted on more than once before which appropriates funds. Allows for the appropriation of funds to the County of Cook to reimburse them for the cost of the State's Attorney's Office in the 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Appellate Section. Appreciate your favorable support."
"Mr. Vinson."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, after... reflecting on Mr. Cullerton's arbitrary in the subject for the full Session, I now decided that this is, in fact, an essential part of the process and would urge an 'aye' vote on the Bill."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 74 'aye', 35 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority... Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1070, Mr. Matijevich."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Conference Committee Report #1 on House Bill 1070 is the FY '85 state appropriation to Elementary and Secondary Education, amounting to $2,612,000,000.4. This is 386.2 million dollars over FY '85 estimated expenditures. The highlights are the reform programs which we haven't passed in this Session reflecting the substantive reform amounting to 99.3 million dollars. State aid is funded at $200,000,000 over FY '85 expenditures. Teacher's retirement is at the 60% payout level or $32,000,000 over FY '85 expenditures. And mandated categoricals, which are funded at 100%, are funded at 29.8 million over FY '85 expenditures. I would like to compliment all of those who worked on education reform and none the least of which was Dick Mulcahey. In fact, Dick, if it were up to me, you'd get a salary increase for all the hard work you've done. But I think they did an 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 outstanding job. And Illinois now, I believe, is at the forefront in education reform in providing quality education. I move the adoption of the Conference Committee Report #1 on House Bill 1070 and appreciate your support."
"Mr. Mulcahey."
"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker."
"Sponsor indicates he will yield."
"Representative Matijevich, I understand we've had a great deal of discussion throughout the state in the last two years regarding the mythical 51% funding. It's my understanding now, with this appropriation, we shall approach approximately 45% of that 51. Is that correct?"
"I believe that's correct, Dick."
"Thank you very much. I think it's a great Bill. We should all vote 'aye'."
"I'm with... I'm with you, Dick."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? This is for education everybody. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 111 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared. Mr. Vinson."
"There is just no telling, Mr. Speaker, when these red heads will turn pleasant."
"The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 453, Representative Barnes. Senate Bill 453, Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 453 appropriates $224,226,400 to the Capital Development Board for new capital projects. And I would move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report." 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 102 'ayes', 7 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 458, Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 458 appropriates $262,119,700 for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency. And I would move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report."
"Mr. Flinn."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be recorded... well, I'll punch myself as 'no', but I'd like to explain why first. This Bill provides that the Transportation Department lose $16,000,000 to the Environmental Protection Agency for the auto, maintenance, and inspection cost. It's nothing but blackmail highway robbery from the federal government forcing us to spend money of all the people of the State of Illinois for two areas of the state. And I think it's a terrible crime that we, in the State of Illinois, can't control our own destiny. This is money that we pay in taxes, and I think it's very unnecessary to begin with, but besides that point, I don't think we should cave into the Federal Government anymore. And I'm going to vote 'no'."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 this question there are 83 'ayes', 23 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 467, Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 467 appropriates $492,636,700 for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, and I would move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', 4 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 472, Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 472 appropriates $1,931,447,759 for the Department of Transportation's budget. It also includes $3,794,000 for the Department of Labor's budget. And I move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? This is transportation everybody. This is for Secretary 'Baiz'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', 4 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be Senate Bill 552, Mr. Leverenz."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to adopt the First Conference 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Committee Report for the Legislative Support Agency's budget, the total is $10,289,366. I would ask for your green vote to adopt the Report."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 98 'ayes', 13 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be Senate Bill 134. Mr. Leverenz."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Here is the one that I would hope you would put me in the Century Club with. I move to adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 134 and request your 'aye' vote so we can get to the Second Conference Committee Report. No?"
"I believe your, Mr. Leverenz, I believe that your Motion is do not adopt."
"I'll go for that."
"Fine. The Gentleman moves that the..."
"...Now?"
"The Gentleman moves that the House do not adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 134. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The House does not adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 134 and requests the appointment of a Second Conference Committee. The next Bill shall be House Bill 769 (sic - 1769). Mr. Giorgi, this matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4."
"Mr. Speaker, Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 769 (sic - 1769) provides for the governing board of 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 the Fox Valley Airport Authority which allows the four mayors to appoint members, the Mayor of St. Charles, Geneva... and West Chicago and five members be appointed by the DuPage County Board Chairman. And the other part of the Bill has to do with the... And I urge the support of the Assembly of this Bill."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all... Mr. Vinson, to explain his vote."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this Bill is a good Bill and a most important Bill. And I would urge all Members to vote for this most essential part of the process."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Mr. Cullerton. On this question there are 76 'ayes', 27 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 720. Mr. Greiman. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #5. The Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson for a Motion."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, on a previous occasion when tempers were foul, I believe we made a mistake. And I would move that this House reconsider the vote by which the concurrence on House Bill 720 failed."
"The Gentleman moves to reconsider the vote. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The vote by which this matter failed has been reconsidered. Mr. Greiman."
"Thank you, Speaker. I would move that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2. The underlying Bill is the citizen's assembly. The Amendments provide for additional leadership for the Senate only, and appropriate level of 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 compensation for the leaders through the Amendment. I would move for its concurrence."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Cullerton, to explain his vote."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I was the one that made the Motion the other night when we talked about some of the fine leaders in the Senate that this would affect, including Senator Geo-Karis, the first woman leader on the Republican side in the Senate, I believe, and also, we talked about the substantive Bill itself, the men in the Commission Reorganization Act. We had great debate concerning the councils that were affected, including the Council on Children, Economic Development, Energy Resources, Mental Health, Developmental Disabilities, Public Aid, school problems and the Council on Women... by concurring with these Motions also be passing the Bill. I believe for that reason it would be worthwhile to support the Motion."
"Mr. Hoffman, to explain his vote."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill includes a number of, I think, very significant items. Gives us an opportunity for... in seven of the major areas, input from citizens outside the process although the advisory committees will be Members of the Legislature, plus members appointed by the respective leaders. You noticed that there are some 'present' votes on the board. Some of those 'present' votes are there because of... those individuals are directly and personally affected by the Amendment on this Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think those people in the leadership that 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 would have a small - miniscule, if you will - increase in their compensation are very deserving. And I would ask Members of the House who have voted or who have not supported the Bill at this present time, to join with me and the sixty other Members of the House to recognize the work and the effort of Members of the Body who are directly affected by this as well as recognizing the importance and significance of the various specific items addressed by the citizens' advisory council. And I would like to ask, well in fact, I would like to ask nine more people to join with those... about eight more people to join with those of us who are presently on the board and see the wisdom of the Majority as we move forward in this decade of progress into moving closer every day and every minute to the next century. And we want to have these people with us and we like to have those commissions with those particular issues represented. We're going the wrong way. I'll conclude my comments on that and ask you to either use your good judgment or otherwise... and put the votes on the board."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? We need four more. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Davis, to explain his vote."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, I don't think anybody in this chamber would want to face either of the Senators that are involved in this Bill."
"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 71 'ayes', 35 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1285, Mr. Olson. This appears on page five of the Calendar."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 House. House Bill 1285 is an initiative which amends the Administrative Procedures Act, and it permits the state agency to submit an agenda of rules that is considering proposing to the Illinois Register. The effect of Senate Amendment #1 was to add elements of a provision asked for by the State Fire Marshall which suggests that they'll conduct a hearing in accordance with the IAPA upon receiving appeal from the order of the Deputy of the Office of the State Fire Marshall. I would move for the adoption of Concurrence Report #1 on House Bill 1285."
"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 110 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 1279, Mr. McPike. This Bill appears on page five of the Regular Calendar. Mr. McPike."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 1279, the RTA vehicle Bill that Jack Davidson and I worked on, provides very small changes for both downstate and the RTA. It allows demonstration programs that will not count against the fare box recovery. It allows for a security force grant from the RTA to the three various factors. That will not count against fare box recovery. And it provides the grants to the RTA for service to the disabled. I move the adoption of the Conference Committee Report."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 80 'ayes', 28 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 431, Mr. Ropp."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me..."
"Mr. Ropp, excuse me. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4. Mr. Ropp."
"I want to commend you and the Minority Leader and the Governor for working out such an outstanding arrangement. It seems like things are moving along quite well. House Bill 431 is a Bill that the Conference Committee Report has come back, and we want to concur with Conference Committee Report #1 which means that we recommend the House concur with Senate Amendment 1. The essence of the Bill is initially to add two additional members of the State Fair Advisory Board and in addition to it, the Senate Amendment states that the one county in the state, namely, DuPage shall take over their DuPage County Fair. And I move for acceptance of this House Bill 431... Conference Committee 1."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 78 'ayes', 28 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 847, Mr. Saltsman. This matter appears on page seven of the regular Calendar. Mr. Saltsman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to adopt Conference Committee Report 2 to Senate Bill 847. The House recedes from House Amendment 4 which concerns financing to county 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 jails and courthouses. The Bill is further amended as follows: Language originally contained in Senate Bill 846 concerning eligible investments which the authority may engage in is added; and the Authority's infrastructure assistance program is amended to delete the provisions concerning creation and the evaluation committee as well as a limitation on the size or a unit of government which may participate in a program. I ask for its adoption."
"The Gentleman moves to adopt the Conference Committee Report. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 101 'aye', 9 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next order shall be Appropriations Special Order #11, State Government Administration. The Chair recognizes Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 651. And with that concurrence, $1,206,900 will be appropriated for the Savings and Loan Commission budget. Should I go right down the line?"
"Yes, please."
"House Bill 656, I move to concur in Amendment #1 and with that concurrence, $1,184,921 will be appropriated to the Pollution Control Board. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 665 (sic - 656) and with that concurrence $8,567,000 will be appropriated to the Military and Naval Department. I move to concur in Amendment #1 with House Bill 667 and with that concurrence, $1,089,700 will be appropriated for the Illinois Liquor Control Commission. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 671 and with 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 that concurrence, $791,800 will be appropriated to the Property Tax Appeal Board. That's $791,800. I move to concur in Amendment #2 to House Bill 673 and with that concurrence, $195,561,800 will be appropriated to the Department of Employment Security. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 676 and with that concurrence, we will appropriate $12,443,900 to the General Assembly Retirement System. We will appropriate $2,386,600 for the Judges' Retirement System. It will be $10,057,300. I move to concur in Amendments #1,2,3,4 and 5 to House Bill 678 and with that concurrence, we will appropriate $139,640,600 to the Department of Rehabilitation Services."
"Representative Braun."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. With regard to the appropriation for the retirement system, I would like to express... I intend to vote for these Bills as presented to the General Assembly. But with regard to the retirement system Bills, I will vote for those with... understanding and the reservation that the retirement systems have indicated they will study the riskiness of their investments in South Africa and that with that reservation and on the conditions that they will look at the issue of the investments in South Africa and the damage that those investments due to the funds, I will vote for that appropriation."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Motions for concurrence will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', 1 person voting 'no'. These Motions having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bills are declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 1500. 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Mr. Keane. This appears on page three of the regular Calendar."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1500 amends the State Auditing Act. It's a multiple audit provision. The Senate amended it by providing for audits of public funds of county officials as soon as possible after leaving office. And we clarify that in terms of legislative intent to say that the county... to point out that the county auditor is qualified to perform such an audit. I would ask for concurrence with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1500."
"Those in favor of the Motion for concurrence will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 111 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Motion having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bill is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 2232, Mr. Parke."
"Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move for concurrence of Senate Amendment #1 and #2 to House Bill 2232."
"Those in... Representative Hawkinson."
"Will the Sponsor yield for one question?"
"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."
"Yes?"
"What would the effective date be on the Senate Amendment regarding the appointment of Superintendent of Schools?"
"At this point, I do not have an answer for your question."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 93 'ayes', 12 voting 'no'. This Motion having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bill is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1924, Mr. Stephens. This appears on Supplemental Calendar #4."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move for concurrence on Senate Amendments #1, #2 and #3 on House Bill 1924."
"Mr. Mulcahey."
"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. What does it do, Representative Stephens?"
"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."
"Well, the underlying Bill was an exchange of land between the Department of Conservation and the Metro East Sanitary District. Senate Amendment #1 changes reference from... It's a technical changing acreage from 140.93 to 141.01. Senate Amendment #2 authorizes the Department of Conservation to convey approximately 153 acres of real property to the Quality Stone Company of Waterloo, Illinois, in exchange for approximately 80 acres of real property near the Illinois Cabins Geological Formation in Monroe County. It also requires all incidental expenses in connection with the land exchange to be paid for by the Quality Stone Company. Also authorizes the Department of Conservation to convey certain real property to the Village of Forest City to be used for recreational purposes. Provides that the property shall be... in the event the property seizes to be used for recreational purposes. Senate Amendment #3 authorizes the Department of Central Management Services to convey certain parcels of real... parcels of real property totaling approximately 227.56 acres in Union County for the price of $300 per acre until June 30, 1986." 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Mr. Mulcahey, did you hear all that? Thank you. Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there 94 'aye', 15 'nos'. The Motion having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bill is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1977, Mr. McCracken. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move this House adopt the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 1977. There are two parts to it. One, is cleanup technical language, which was the original Bill and which passed. And the other is to bring the Governor's appointees of the various boards under the Compensation Review Act. And I move its adoption."
"Representative Koehler."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Sponsor please yield?"
"The Sponsor indicates he will yield. Mr. McCracken."
"I yield."
"Thank you. Representative McCracken, for the purposes of informing the Gentleman from Durand, is this a pay raise Bill?"
"No."
"Well, is this a Bill that would allow certain boards and commissions to resign one day and be reappointed the next day at a higher salary?"
"Yes."
"Thank you. I object to this Bill. Thank you."
"Mr. Johnson."
"Am I to understand Representative Koehler is 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 withdrawing her opposition? Well, then, speaking in favor of the Bill. This isn't a pay raise. It isn't anything resembling a pay raise. Technical cleanup Bill and it's necessary to the orderly administration of the executive branch of the government. I've never voted for pay raise. I'm not going to start now, but this is not a pay raise. And I urge a 'yes' vote."
"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. McCracken, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Johnson was correct. This is not a pay raise Bill. This Bill would allow the appointees of the Governor whose served term fixed by law to be reappointed for purposes of coming under the Compensation Review Board Act. It is not a pay raise. In fact, the result of our failure to adopt this would be a disparity of treatment between those appointees and other office holders affected by the Act. There was an anomaly created by our adoption of the Act so that midtermers or persons in a similar situation would find themselves years behind the pay raise scale accorded to other various members who come under the Act. That anomaly is corrected by this Bill. The reason the person has to be appointed or guaranteed by law, appointment the day after the resignation is for purposes of political security which... to both, your benefit and our benefit. The appointees are often nonpartisan, often bipartisan and we're looking for a couple more green votes up there to change that anomaly and treat them fairly."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 73 'ayes', 37 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have two more matters. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 216. And the Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson for a Motion."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I would move that this House take Senate Bill 216 from the Table for consideration on the House Calendar, Second Reading, Second Legislative Day on October 16."
"You've all heard the Motion. Is there leave? Leave is granted using the Attendance Roll Call. The next matter will be... Next matter shall be a Resolution. The Clerk shall read the Resolution. This matter will be House Joint Resolution 89. There is a Motion on the Calendar on page 8. There is an Amendment by Mr. Daniels. So, Mr. Clerk, if you could get the Resolution on your desk. And the Chair recognizes Mr. Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 89 has yourself and Mr. Homer as Sponsors. With leave of the Body, I would like to add myself as the Sponsor and..."
"Leave is granted."
"...And Representative Ryder, if that's alright with you, Sir."
"Leave is granted."
"Alright. And I would move to withdraw Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Daniels - Ryder."
"Mr. Daniels."
"Floor Amendment #2, Mr. Speaker, is the Amendment that we discussed with you which strengthens the Resolution as met with your agreement. I'd ask for the favorable 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 adoption of Amendment #2."
"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"On the Resolution, Mr. Homer... I believe Mr. Homer is the Sponsor of the Resolution. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk?"
"You are, Sir."
"...Okay. I understand that Mr. Homer is an abbreviated hyphenated Sponsor. Mr. Homer, on the Resolution."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. House Resolution 89 is the... House Joint Resolution 89, rather, is the Resolution which calls for a joint investigation of the McCormick Place annex project and would require each of the four leaders to appoint four members - four legislative Members to serve on the Committee which will then report its findings back to the General Assembly. I would move for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 89."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Resolution. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 109 'ayes', 2 voting 'no'. This matter, having received a Majority vote, is hereby declared passed... is hereby declared adopted. The next matter will be an appropriation Bill. House Bill 2240. For what purpose does Mr. Daniels seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, a point of personal privilege."
"Mr. Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Daniels." 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"Yes, Sir. A point of personal privilege. Oh. Hold it, I got a phone call."
"Okay, Mr. Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let me just very briefly tell all of you that in the last few days have been a very difficult time for all of us and a most difficult time for me personally. We have done what we think is right. I think the culmination of what you've seen tonight is reflective of all of our work. For those of you that stuck with me through a very trying time, I want to thank each and everyone of you. To those of you that represented your view points and your beliefs, I understand. And to all of you who participated in the culmination of the settlement tonight, I thank you. Thank you very much."
"Mr. Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege. I think what we done here in the last three days has been a total waste of time and something we probably could have settled in the last three weeks of the Session. And i think it's unfortunate we're here and the deal's been cut as we all know and will be cut again on Monday. It's just been a pretty obnoxious three days."
"The next matter will be House Bill 2240, Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz."
"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. They're just wanting me to ask now. On House Bill 2240, I would move the House concur with Senate Amendment #1 which increases the appropriation by $946,000 for the General Assembly's OCE. The total being $18,336,600. I'd ask for your green vote to concur."
"Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Friedrich, to 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 explain his vote."
"I just like to point out that this is one percent of the total budget. I don't think that's too much expense. I think we're worth it."
"The Clerk shall take the record. Mr. Ewing, to explain his vote. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 98 'ayes', 8 voting 'no'. This Motion, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be the appropriation for the General Assembly. That's the matter that we just considered. Mr. Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, I have been asked to read into the record clarification purposes on House Bill 570 which are read by Mr. McPike, and the debate on House Bill 570. And I had made a comment at that time that that was not my intent of the legislation. I misunderstood his words. With leave of the House, I would like the record, official record on House Bill 570 to show that Mr. McPike's statements on that Bill as to legislative intent, as to statement #1, 2 and 3, and the clarification that he read into the record were accurate reflections of the legislative intent on House Bill 570."
"Mr. McPike."
"Mr. Speaker, I told him that the other night."
"Okay. The... Mr. Ewing."
"Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a Motion at the proper time for Senate Bill 1152 to be put over..."
"This will be the appropriate time, Mr. Ewing."
"Yes, put over to October 16th."
"Senate Bill 1152?"
"Yes, the Second Conference Committee Report."
"Mr. Johnson."
"The same Motion with respect to Senate Bill 1188." 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985
"First, let the record show Mr. Daniels' comment relative to House Bill 570. Second, let us consider Mr. Ewing's request on Senate Bill 1152, that that matter be placed on the fall Calendar for October 16. Is there leave? Leave is granted using the Attendance Roll Call. Next, Mr. Johnson's request that Senate Bill 1188 be placed on the... Mr. Johnson."
"I guess it's House Bill 1188."
"Mr. Johnson."
"Yeah, I'm... House Bill 1188."
"House Bill. Mr. Johnson requests that House Bill 1188 be placed on the fall Calendar for consideration on October 16. Is there leave? Leave is granted using the Attendance Roll Call. Ladies and Gentlemen, let me have your attention, please. First, for those of you who went home over the... For what purpose does Mr. Churchill seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to place House Bill 137 on the Calendar for October... Conference Committee Report on the Calendar for October 16th."
"Wasn't part of the agreement."
"We never talked."
"Let's... Why don't we proceed to wind down. Okay, sit down, Mr. Churchill. First, for those of you who went home over the weekend of June 30th and over July 4, you must complete a request for travel expenses. So, if you went home over the weekend of June 30 or over July 4, please complete a special form for Session travel. Next, our friend, the Governor, has called a Special Session for Monday at 12:00 noon. And we... You've all been given copies of the proclamation. This Session, we'll treat House Bill 993 and House Bill 655, the appropriation Bills for Build Illinois. So that, we will be due here at 12:00 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 noon on Monday. The Clerk shall read the Adjournment Resolution. Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, I... There are three Agreed Resolutions. I move for the adoption of 657, 659 and Senate Joint #85."
"Those in favor of the Agreed Resolutions say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution."
"Senate Joint Resolution 87. Resolved by the Senate of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the Senate adjourns on Wednesday, July 3, 1985, it stands adjourn until Wednesday, October 2, 1985 at 12:00 noon, and when the House of Representatives adjourns, it stands adjourn until Wednesday, October 2, 1985 at 12:00 noon."
"Mr. Giorgi moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. First Reading. Introduction."
"House Bill 2528, Klemm, a Bill for an Act to require prompt payments to the State of Illinois for goods and services. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2529, Pullen - et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill."
"The Chair recognizes Mr. McPike for the Adjournment Motion. Mr. McPike."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the House now stand adjourn until Wednesday, October 2nd at the hour of 12:00 noon."
"Those in favor will say 'aye', those opposed will say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. We stand adjourned in Regular Session until October 2nd, but we shall return here on Monday in Special Session at 12:00 noon. Thank you very 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 much." 78 03/04/87 1:53. STATE OF ILLINOIS 84YH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JULY 05, 1985 PAGE 1 HB-0431 CONFERENCE PAGE 65 HB-0567 CONFERENCE PAGE 46 HB-0651 CONFERENCE PAGE 65 HB-0652 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0653 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0656 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0657 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0659 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0660 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0664 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0666 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0667 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0668 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0669 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0670 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0671 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0672 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0673 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-0674 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0676 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-0678 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-0679 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0692 CONFERENCE PAGE 49 HB-0694 CONFERENCE PAGE 55 HB-0694 MOTION PAGE 55 HB-0720 CONFERENCE PAGE 61 HB-0720 MOTION PAGE 61 HB-1070 CONFERENCE PAGE 56 HB-1097 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 HB-1152 DISCUSSED AND POSTPONED PAGE 75 HB-1188 DISCUSSED AND POSTPONED PAGE 75 HB-1279 CONFERENCE PAGE 64 HB-1285 CONFERENCE PAGE 63 HB-1500 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-1769 CONFERENCE PAGE 60 HB-1857 CONFERENCE PAGE 53 HB-1924 CONFERENCE PAGE 69 HB-1977 CONFERENCE PAGE 70 HB-2232 CONFERENCE PAGE 68 HB-2240 CONFERENCE PAGE 74 HB-2418 CONFERENCE PAGE 48 HB-2528 FIRST READING PAGE 77 HB-2529 FIRST READING PAGE 77 SB-0134 CONFERENCE PAGE 60 SB-0216 MOTION PAGE 72 SB-0403 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0448 CONFERENCE PAGE 42 SB-0452 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 SB-0453 CONFERENCE PAGE 57 SB-0454 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 SB-0458 CONFERENCE PAGE 58 SB-0459 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 SB-0460 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0461 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0464 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0467 CONFERENCE PAGE 59 SB-0468 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0470 CONFERENCE PAGE 51 SB-0472 CONFERENCE PAGE 59 SB-0473 CONFERENCE PAGE 51 SB-0475 CONFERENCE PAGE 51 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 4 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 5 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 21 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 42 03/04/87 1:53. STATE OF ILLINOIS 84YH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JULY 05, 1985 SB-0476 MOTION SB-0476 MOTION SB-0476 MOTION SB-0476 MOTION SB-0480 CONFERENCE SB-0481 CONFERENCE SB-0483 CONFERENCE SB-0552 CONFERENCE SB-0830 CONFERENCE SB-0847 CONFERENCE SB-1095 CONFERENCE HJR-0089 RESOLUTION OFFERED SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER GREIMAN PRAYER - FATHER ROBERT J. JALLAS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE AGREED RESOLUTIONS GENERAL RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE ON ASSIGNMENT DEATH RESOLUTIONS RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES AGREED RESOLUTIONS ADJOURNED PAGE 2 PAGE 6 PAGE 8 PAGE 15 PAGE 36 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 44 PAGE 59 PAGE 46 PAGE 65 PAGE 42 PAGE 72 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 3 PAGE 5 PAGE 5 PAGE 42 PAGE 42 PAGE 77 PAGE 77