Illinois House Floor Debate — July 4, 1985

"The hour of 12:00 having arrived, the House will be in Session. Today, we will be led in the invocation by Representative Andy McGann. Will the guests in the gallery please rise and join us in the invocation? Representative McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oh Lord, my God, when I, in awesome wonder, consider all the worlds Thy hands have made, we are most privileged to serve You. We are most thankful for all You've given to us and especially on this day, over 200 years ago, when this country received its freedom for which all of us enjoy today. We thank You for being so kind and everloving, for our families, and take care of them today, because we are not with them. Guide them and protect them. Guide our Leaders here and hopefully that they will come to some agreement that they can share with us so that we can get on with the business of the State of Illinois, helping all of our people, those that are unemployed, those that are sick and those that are in very much of need. Help us, Dear Lord, this day, this most historic day in the 84th General Assembly. Thank you, My God."

"With due respect to the Gentleman from McLean, because we are all free Americans, let us lead each other in the pledge to the flag."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 111 Members having answered to the Call of the Quorum, a quorum is present. A Message from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House in passage of the Bill of the following title: House Bill 655, together with Senate Amendment #1, and the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House, passed the Senate as amended July 3, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Joint Resolution #87, adopted by the Senate July 3, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.'"

"Mr. Preston, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr... Mr. Speaker, has word yet come from Nahbib Berry, and has the Capitol Airport been shut down?"

"The word has come from 'Yogi Berry', and it's still open, and Mr. Preston, I would remind you that Thomas Jefferson also worked on the Fourth of July, and he was a hell of a guy. Mr. Leverenz, for what purpose do you rise?"

"I could hardly afford to break with tradition, so the inquiry of the Chair is, now?"

"Probably one of those traditions with which we could dispense. However, we'll call you. ... that call yet, Mr. Cullerton? Did you want to read it? Mr. Cullerton. We'll get to that call later."

"Yes, tell me when we're on the... the Order of newspaper headlines."

"We'll get to that call a little later. Mr. Preston, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, last night on the third evening of our 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 captivity, I learned information that addressed Mr. Cullerton's concern from yesterday afternoon. I fell in last night with bad Republican company that tried to ply me with... that tried to ply me with alcohol in order to get the Democratic strategy out of me, but... "

"That's why we don't tell you, Preston."

"That must be it, but I was able to get some information out of them. I learned what had happened with Representative Vinson's automobile that he had advertised for sale for $7,500, this ten-year-old automobile. I learned last night that he was able to sell that automobile. The Medical Society bought the car for $12,000."

"What they didn't know was, Lee, they should have offered you some chicken soup with 'kreplah'. Mr. Friedrich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I checked out the rumor, and Representative Vinson did not sell his car to the Medical Association, but he did get an offer of $500 from the Trial Lawyers, and they tried to suggest to him that was a fair deal."

"It's actually... It's part of the Build Illinois. It's earthmoving equipment. The Lady from St. Clair, Ms. Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to take the following Bills from the table and place them in Interim Study: 191, 192, 194, 442, 444, 1219, 1221, 1222, 1223, 1226, 1227, 1228, 1230, 1235, 1236, 1237, 1506, 1695, 1696, 1698, 1700, 1908, 2111, 2112, 2292, 2404, 2459."

"The Lady from St. Clair moves that... moves to take the stated Bills and place them on the Order... from the table and place them on the Order... the Interim Study Calendar from the Committee from which they were originally 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 assigned. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Are those the... I did not hear the Lady's delineation of the Bills. Are they the same Bills that are listed on her Motion on page eight of the Calendar?"

"Yes, I followed them, and they were."

"In that event, I certainly have no objection to the Lady's Motion."

"Alright. Leave to use the Attendance Roll Call. Leave is granted, and those Bills are placed in the Order of Interim Study in their respective Committees. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Mulcahey, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm really not quite sure. I don't think we're going to get an answer anyway, but is there any... is there any light that you could shed on the Body as of right now? We've been sitting around here for an hour and fifteen minutes. Everybody was here on time. Are the Leaders meeting? Are we making any progress? Are we going to be here until 7:00? I don't really care if we're here until 7:00, but if you would just let us know, give us some idea of what's going on, what's transpiring, if they're working something out, or even if they're meeting, which... Could you repond to that?"

"I'll check it out and get back to you. Yes, Mr. Mulcahey?"

"I would certainly appreciate that, and if you don't get back to me, I'll call you."

"Mr. Mulcahey, as they say on Broadway, 'Don't call us, we'll call you.' The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I move to 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 Postponed Consideration of House Bill 1038 on the Order of First Conference Committee until October 16 of 1985. And I believe that has been cleared on the other side of the aisle."

"The Lady from Champaign moves that the House postpone consideration of House Bill 1038 on the Order of First Conference Committee until October 16, 1985. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the Lady's Motion, and I think that she is demonstrating how problems around here can be worked out in a bipartisan fashion. She's being very helpful in that regard, and I would suggest that you carry that message back to the back room."

"The Lady from Dupage, Ms. Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in support of Representative Satterthwaite's Motion. Thank you."

"The Lady... Mr. Matijevich, the Gentleman from Lake."

"I agree, except I think she has to suspend the rule to ask the Attendance Roll call be used, because I think Conference Committee Reports can't be considered after the Spring Session without suspending that rule. I think."

"Well, we would take it as... as we did with the... Mr. Matijevich, when we continue... postpone consideration of other Bills, we have done so implicitly understanding that it bends certain rules, and you are correct, absolutely correct. So, if we have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call, leave is granted, and it is so ordered that House Bill 1038 will be postponed for consideration on the Order of First Conference Committee until October 16, 1985. Mr. Giglio. Mr. Giglio has stepped off the floor. The House will be in order, Ladies 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 and Gentlemen. It is the intention of the Democrats to go to Caucus Conference in Room 114. Room 114. A Conference about one-half hour, and we will begin it now. We will return roughly at a quarter of three or shortly thereafter. Giglio... Mr. Giglio has made the request now. So, Democrats will go to Conference. Mr. Hallock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I'd now request a Republican Conference in Room 118, please."

"There will be a Republican Conference, as requested, in Room 118. Democrats, 114; Republicans, 118, immediately. Yes, Mr. Vitek?"

"Mr. Speaker, thank you. Point of personal privilege."

"Proceed."

"For all our newcomers here, I was amazed that one of our newcomers in discussing with Carol Mosely Braun just now, she had a little thing on her gums, and she didn't even know that we had a first aid station here, so I enlighten all the new Members that we do have a first aid station. Ms. Anderson is over there. If you need any help, it's right to the other side of the Republican office. The Republican office on the third floor, here. So, all you newcomers, you know that we got first aid for you, whether you have a personal problem or whatever, go in there, and Dorothy will take good care of you at no charge."

"Mr. Dunn. Mr. Dunn."

"Well, contrary to what a lot of people think, I really am not immediately in need of first aid, and I would ask leave of the House to place House Bill 510 on postponement until October. I have cleared this with Representative Vinson on the other side of the aisle."

"On what... The Gentleman asks leave of the House to postpone consideration of House Bill 510 until the 16th day of October." 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985

"1985."

"1985. Does the Gentleman... Yes... Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"I support the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Gentleman have leave? Leave to use the Attendance Roll Call. Leave is granted, and the Motion carries. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also rise for a Motion that I believe has also been approved by Representative Vinson. This would be to postpone consideration of Senate Bill 1091, placed on the Order of Conference Committee Reports until October 16, 1985."

"Leave to postpone consideration of Senate Bill 1091 until that time. Mr. Vinson, the Gentleman from DeWitt."

"I wonder if the Gentleman would hold that Motion for a minute, please."

"Mr. Cullerton? Alright, Mr. Cullerton withdraws the Motion. Yes, Mr. Vinson?"

"I now understand the substance of the Gentleman's Motion and have no objection to it."

"Mr. Cullerton moves that the House give leave to postpone consideration of Senate Bill 1091 until the 16th day of October, 1985. The Gentleman has leave to use the Attendance... the Attendance Roll Call. Leave is granted. The House will be in order. Conference Committee Report, Special Call - Welfare. On that Order appears Senate Bill 476. Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We bring before you House Bill... or Senate Bill 476. Throughout the work that we've done this year, I've been privileged to work very closely with some Members on the other side of the aisle. That work was based on 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 commitment. It was based on good faith. It was based on carrying out each other's word. Regretfully, I ask to take Senate Bill 476 out of the record until we can continue on that basis."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 476."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves that the House do adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, is there any discussion?"

"Mr. Speaker."

"Yes?"

"To speak."

"Yes. Proceed, Sir."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is the Conference Committee Report for the Department of Public Aid. It contains an appropriation of 3,400,000,000 dollars. The urgency for the adoption of this Report today is pretty simple. Yesterday was a mail date for 58,407 checks to recipients under this program. Today was to be the pick-up day, but since the currency exchanges are closed today, tomorrow could be the pick-up day for those checks. The 58,000 checks generally represents families under the Aid to Dependent Children Program, but there are 10,000 checks in the blind and disabled category also. Tomorrow is another mail date with a July 6th pick-up date, and that amounts to 91,065 checks. So, if this Report is not adopted, we will be holding hostage those thousands of people who are dependent upon the State of Illinois, not to make a profit in a business, as many people do, but simply to survive, simply to put food on the table for themselves and for their children. Poor people will not be able to maintain any form of living. They will not be able to eat, 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 to pay their rent, to receive medical attention. These are people who are at the level of poverty. We must pass the budget, or we say no to the disabled. We are turning our backs to the blind. We must pass this Bill to provide for the needs of the aged. The public aid budget provides for assistance to dependent children. If we don't provide for their needs, no one will. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"I think it's important, when we discuss this issue, to put the issue into the bigger picture of why we're here, and I would request that the Members of the House withhold their support for this Bill. Probably an appropriate vote would be a 'present' vote, for several reasons. The first reason is that the Leaders of this legislative process, in a the process has worked over years to the benefit of not only the Members of the chamber, but the people of the State of Illinois, reached an agreement, and now we find after that agreement was reached, that it really isn't an agreement any more, and that one part or one segment of the five components to that agreement apparently believes that the process ought to work different than how it's worked to the benefit of everybody over these many years. But just as important as that, while we believe, on this side of the aisle, and I believe that public aid is an important element of the state's compassion and its willingness to reach out to people and to provide help for people who can't help themselves, equally important with that are the ramifications and the long-run benefit to the people of the State of Illinois from the agreement that was reached, for just as this public aid budget is bread and butter to certain segments of this state, likewise, the Build Illinois project that the Governor proposed and that the 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 Legislative Leaders reached an agreement on that's now been reneged upon, are the bread and butter for thousands and tens of thousands of other Illinoisians, not only for now, but for the rest of this century, to provide for jobs, to provide small business assistance, to provide assistance for farmers who, in many ways, and agriculture is in just as failing a situation as the... as other segments, in fact, more so, in our society today, to provide benefits for educational facilities around the state, roads so that people can get to market and to jobs and can get to the various functions that are part of their life. The long-run ramifications, the long-run effects from implementing the Build Illinois Program that's a compromise that provides benefits for people all over the state is just as important now as this budget is for the proponents and the makers of this Motion, and in the long run, for the economic and social and governmental effects that this Build Illinois project will have, I think the ramifications are absolutely astronomical. And I think it's important for this process to work, for us to have honor, integrity and decency and for us to look over the simple issues of today and the expediency of trying to get out of here today or tomorrow, while I all hope that we do, and see that a 'present' vote on this Motion shows that we care about public aid, and we care about the recipients of public aid, and if that problem can be solved, but at the same time, that voting 'present' on this will bring the people who reneged on their agreement back to the bargaining table so that we can provide a program that works for everybodies benefit, all over the state, and to make this process work for everybody in a way that generations will remember for years and years and years to come. I urge a 'present' vote." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Hastert, I've complimented many times this year, and I will continue to, because he and I worked very closely on the public utilities. We met for 20 or 25 hours. And I met with other Members of the Republican Party on other issues through long, serious negotiations, and we arrived at reasonable compromises. It's very difficult to understand what Representative Johnson alludes to when he says 'an agreement', since the Republican Party boycotted every single meeting that the Governor, through his Chief of Staff, Jim Reilly, called. It was very difficult to negotiate with someone who would not come to the table. But to the issue of bread and butter, to the issue that Representative Johnson raises, the question of bread and butter is not in regards to Build Illinois as to bread and butter in the year 2000. What the issue really is, to bread and butter next Wednesday for public aid recipients who will not have money to buy food. The real bread and butter issue comes to the blind next week when they don't receive their $300 check. And we're going to hold off and vote 'present', the Republican Party says, because we care. We care about the future, and the future hinges on the pork barrel projects that we have in the Republican supplemental appropriation Bill that came across from the Senate. Never mind that the Department of Transportation's budget this year is 2.1 billion dollars to build roads - 2.1 billion. Never mind that CDB, that their budget to build buildings, universities, is 270 million dollars. Never mind that EPA's budget to build sewers is over 100 million dollars. Those three alone are 2.5 billion dollars. But Build Illinois, for this coming year, will have 300 million to spend - one tenth the size of the 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 normal budgets of State Government. And this is bread and butter for the future? We've commended the Governor for moving ahead on a program, but let's not lose perspective as to what its impact will have on Illinois or our future. We welcomed the Governor because it's a capital project. We join with him to do that, but let's not pretend like the whole future of Illinois and certainly the issue of bread and butter hinges on whether or not we pass an increase over normal spending of 10 percent today or tomorrow. And let's not pretend that the Gentleman that represents Winnebago County needs six million dollars for some type of park development, when 16,000 people in Winnebago are on the public aid rolls. And let's not pretend that the Gentlemen and Ladies that represent DuPage County, that need two million dollars for the DuPage County Water Commission, should hold that up so that someone, next week, cannot eat, nor should we pretend that the Gentleman from Madison that represents Collinsville is going to withhold his vote for one million dollars for a sewer project so that 11,000 people in Madison County will go hungry, nor shall we ignore the fact that the Gentleman that represents Vandalia will hold up his vote for 5.5 million dollars for a sewer project so that 1500 people in his county can go hungry, nor shall we ignore the Lady that represents Naperville, who wants a million dollars, and if she doesn't get it for her sewers, then the people in her township can go without their public aid money. And the... And the Gentleman that represents Riverton School District and needs $700,000 for his school that will be used for Build Illinois some time next year, is willing to withhold his vote so that the people in his county can go hungry. And the Gentleman from Vermilion, who needs 1.8 million dollars for a science lab is going to withhold his vote so that 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 7,281 public aid recipients from Vermilion will not have any public aid money. And the Gentleman that represents Lynwood, he's interested in building Lynwood firehouse, Lynwood garage, and the Lynwood municipal center. And if he doesn't get money for his firehouse, then the people in his district can go hungry. I could go on and on, but I think it's clear what we are doing here today. There is no passion in someone's heart when he says, 'I care for someone who's blind and cannot see and does not have any money to eat, but I can't give an 'aye' vote for that man or that woman because I need my firehouse, and I need my sewer.' That's not passion. That's nonsense. This is politics. It's been a charade last week. Let's end it. Let's send out these public aid recipients' money that they need, and let's go home."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I been waiting to speak on this issue for two or three days. The people in Chicago need their welfare checks. The people throughout this state need their welfare checks; and, as far as the Gentleman across the aisle who spoke about Build Illinois, these are two separate issues. We're not talking about Build Illinois on this vote. We're talking about people who might be in danger of dying if it was the wintertime. As we stand here in Springfield and talk about how to cut a political pie like Build Illinois, the people who can least afford it are being denied the money that they need to survive. And I'll tell you, Ladies and Gentlemen, I feel a personal sense of outrage. My community feels outraged. That outrage is directed to the Gentleman across the aisle, to our Minority Leader, your Minority Leader, who has withheld the votes that it will take to pass this piece of legislation. I 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 don't want to talk about Build Illinois. I haven't participated in the negotiations. Let's negotiate. Let's stay here and work out the pie that... so it's agreeable to all; but, while we're doing that, let's pass public aid so the people in this state who need that money to survive can survive. There's been a lot of reference to the word, 'hostage', that the people on public aid are being held hostage. Well, there's no doubt about it. The people on the other side of the aisle refer to Build Illinois in a debate on public aid. It's clearly that public aid recipients are being held hostage. Now, in the newpapers, when you look at someone who takes innocent people, innocent women and children and holds them hostage for political purposes, then they're normally called terrorists. Mr. Minority Leader, if you don't put the votes on the board to pass this Bill, then you are a terrorist. The people who just released our hostages can talk about religious reasons, try to explain moral or religious justification for what they do; but, f the green votes from that side of the aisle don't come up on this particular Bill, there is no religious justification, there is no moral justification. It's simply greed and avarice from our, or your, Minority Leader who has demonstrated these past three days that he is a terrorist. Some of my colleagues have commented on my dress today, and I've told them all, considering the issues that we are down here for, considering the fact that we have not passed public aid, that however we dress is appropriate, whatever we do is appropriate. There seems to be no rules in this Assembly until the terrorists on the other side of the aisle release the public aid hostages who are not here to speak for themselves. My seatmate just reminded me that I still have the yellow ribbon on the microphone. We all know why we 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 were wearing yellow ribbons. They're all over the place. The hostages that were just released. Well, there's 50,000 today, and the number will grow every day of hostages, innocent people, women and children who are hungry, who will not benefit from Build Illinois, who have nothing to do with Build Illinois, and I submit to you, 'Mr. Terrorist', that Build Illinois and public aid are the type of issues that this Body has got to keep separate for the well-being of this state. And I submit to the people on the other side of the aisle that, regardless of what your terrorist Leader has directed you to do, you must put some green votes on this Bill."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm in my second term, and the previous speaker is a little closer to that conference, but when we have our freshman conference, one of the first things that speakers from both sides of the aisle, when they're addressing us, tell us down here is that the legislative process will not work, and you will not be successful unless you remember that your word is your bond, and the whole process breaks down when that principle breaks down or you lose that. That's what we're seeing happening right now. An agreement was reached that would pass the public aid budget and the rest of the budget that's equally important to the men and women and children of this state who work and don't work, who collect public aid, who are dependent on state checks, who are dependent upon the jobs that are created by State Government through Build Illinois and everything else. The Governor has kept his word. The Minority Leader, who has just been disparaged, has kept his word. The Senate passed the entire package, as President Rock and Pate Philip kept their word. This Bill will pass when you, on that side of 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 the aisle, keep your word."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Build Illinois and the highways and the sewers and the airports that it represents may be bread and butter issues to many people, but this public aid budget is a bread and water issue. It is a subsistence level of support for people who have no other means of support. And for those of you who think that your districts are untouched by public aid because it is a Chicago problem, I want to remind all of you that there is a program in the Department of Public Aid, the aid to aged and blind and disabled persons, and all of those checks, not just a portion of them, but all of those checks were due to go out yesterday, and they did not go out yesterday because of this impasse that we have here on this floor. And those checks were going to be sent into every corner of the state, into every nook and cranny, every district, Democrat or Republican, and they have not yet arrived, and they will not arrive until this Bill is passed. Now, I would just like to remind all of you that the average working person, the blue collar factory worker, the white collar clerk, have a hard time making ends meet under normal circumstances, and most of those people who are our constituents have a hard time making it from one paycheck to the next paycheck. But if you are not working, if you are dependent solely upon public aid for your very existence, it is almost impossible to make it through from one check to another, and every day represents a real human tragedy. I remind everybody that most rents are due on the first of the month. And we have now, many people throughout this state, almost a hundred thousand, if we don't pass this today, who will not be able to pay their 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 rent. So if you can't feel in your heart sympathy for the public aid recipients who can't pay their rent, maybe you can find it in your heart to have sympathy for the landlords who are not getting their rent checks. I urge you to consider, if you represent the landlords instead of the public aid recipients, think about the landlords, over there on the other side of the aisle. If you want to hold something hostage, why don't you hold the rest of the budget hostage? Why don't we pass this Bill out and then leave the rest of the budget sit? Why don't we just let the rest of the budget sit? It can go on until the 14th or the 15th of July without any disruption to the government of the State of Illinois. Why don't we do that? But, no, no, because of political pride or perhaps because of greed, as others have suggested, no, we have this impasse here and now. I urge all of you to consider the real human tragedy, the bread and water issues of this state, and vote green."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Motion is so that we can all say, 'Free at last, thank God, free at last.' I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair has moved that the main question be put. All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question be put. Mr. Madigan, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. There have been references to a... an arrangement to finalize the Session, and as one who participated in that arrangement, let me simply tell you that there was a proposal made that I found to be workable, from my own personal perspective; but, when I returned with that proposal to the Democratic Caucus, it was rejected. And as you people know, from all those Caucuses that you conduct, it's important that the 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 Caucus view be recognized and be implemented, and that is precisely what we are doing here today. The individual, separate question of the public aid budget is not going to go away easily. If you think that this is going to happen once, and then everything will be peace immediately, I wish to tell you, you are wrong. If this matter fails today, we will adjourn immediately, and we will return here tomorrow at 2:00. And if it fails then, we'll return on Saturday. And if it fails then, we will return on Sunday. We are not kidding this time. Our action was not foreordained. It was not premeditated. It was not fashioned by me individually. It is a group reaction. It's a con job perpetrated upon this Body, by your side of the aisle, over the last two weeks of the Session. There was nobody on this side of the aisle that consistently asked for Oral Verified Roll Calls, and then, as we proceeded through the Roll Call, engaged in a charade of changing one vote after another. We came here early in the morning prepared to work all day. That we did. We never engaged in any delay. Throughout the three years that I have served as the Speaker of the House, every Member of this House has been treated fairly. I might add... I might add that the treatment of your side has been so fair that it's brought on negative reaction among my own Democratic Members. My commitment is to conduct myself and to conduct this House in a fair and orderly manner. For my own purposes, I will continue to do that, but it requires cooperation from both sides of the aisle. We sit here today at an impasse. The impasse need not continue. This budget could be passed. We could leave, take some time off, let some of the passions subside, come back in a short time and proceed to dispose of the issues of the Session. To those of you who are leveraging this budget and the other budgets for Build 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 Illinois, you are being foolish. I am committed to Build Illinois. When I spoke on behalf of the Build Illinois Program the other night, I explained that I have been subject to criticism within the Democratic Party because I support Governor Thompson's Build Illinois. And I have rejected that criticism because the idea that public expenditure of money is good for a stagnant economy is something that I agree with. And that's why I'm supporting Build Illinois. There will be a Build Illinois. We have the capacity to work our way through the differences, to negotiate which projects will be in the program, which will be out, which will start earlier than the others. All of that is subject to negotiation in the legislative process, and we have the capacity to do that, and we will do that. But don't hold hostage this appropriation for people who don't have the ability to sit in this beautiful chamber, in these soft chairs. We're talking about people that are sitting on hard benches and hard chairs, and they're not eating nutritious food because they can't afford it. And that's who you're punishing, and it's foolish, and you ought not to do it, and if you're being sucked into a political, strategic position, reject it. Reject it now, before it gets worse. And again, Mr. Speaker, I move for the adoption of the Conference Committee Report."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. To explain her vote, one minute, Ms. Braun."

"Those yellow votes up there, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. In this silly, childish game of macho brinksmanship, you're going to choose human suffering. You're going to extort the poor of the State of Illinois 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 because you can't get your pet projects, because you can't get your pork barrel. I had a phone call from a lady yesterday who said her lights and her gas and her water were going to be turned off if she didn't get her check. What could she do? I said she should call the Governor. Where is the Governor of the State of Illinois? Can't he talk to his team to explain to him that macho behavior on this floor has no place when people are starving in the streets in the State of Illinois? I call upon the Governor to exercise some leadership in this situation. I call upon the poor people of the state to go down to that brand new behemoth building we have in the City of Chicago called the State of Illinois Building, to stand out there in front of the State of Illinois Building until such time as they are released, hostages from this hostile process in which there is no feeling, in which there is no human compassion, in which there doesn't even seem to be any common sense."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, one minute to explain your vote."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I've been here several Sessions. I've never gone home yet without passing a budget for public aid. I don't intend to this time, unless the Speaker decides that he wants to send us home. But I really thought that sewers were used by the rich and the poor alike to maintain health. I thought schools and universities were for everybody, including the poor, as a way of the poor getting out of the public aid cycle, and I thought jobs were important to the poor so they could get off the public aid rolls, and that's what Build Illinois is all about. If the Speaker would just call the Bills in the order it was agreed upon, we could get out of here. We would have been out of here, in fact, last night. But I can tell you now that that's part of the 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 deal, and that's the way it's going to go. But if that's the way it works, then I think we're going to be here quite a while, but I'll just tell you, this has nothing to do with the public aid budget, and he knows it, if he'll just stick by the agreement as the others has. You know, I've seen the Speaker - this Speaker - enter into agreements before, come back to the floor and he had the ability to deliver the votes on his side of the aisle. Now, if he's lost control of that, maybe they better get a new Speaker."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As an observer and as an admirer of the process by which we go through and those individuals who use it and use it well, I now believe very faithfully in the one man, one rule provision. I've watched one man, the Minority Leader of this House, bring the Governor to his knees. I've watched that same individual bring State Government to a complete stop. I now watch him bring forth virtually no votes for an appropriation Bill for multitudes in this state. As a supporter of this Bill, as well as Build Illinois, I find it unacceptable for an individual to stand and say he leads a Minority Party in total opposition to what was accepted by the Governor of his Party, the Majority Members in both the House and the Senate, and probably in all truthfulness, to the agreement of most of the Members on the Minority side of the aisle. I've used 'Minority' in this explanation five times, because to lead, you do the responsible, and you also do what you swore you would do, is to provide governmental services in accordance with our Constitution. If, in fact, you intend to remain a Minority Leader, this is the way you remain a Minority Leader. Do not lead your troops into the valley of death 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 and don't leave them with no way to get out. There's no way anyone can explain that the public aid budget means less than a Build Illinois. I'm proud to vote green and recommend that the Members on Independence Day, on the Minority side of the aisle, show their reasonableness, their responsibility and their independence and pass this Bill out so that we can get on with the rest of the budgets, which have the majority of Amendments on it by departmental divisions that are also in Build Illinois. There are 63 Democratic votes on this Bill. There will be 63 Democratic votes on every appropriation Bill, and it's the responsibility of the Minority, and I would think the Governor would request that his Party provide the votes to let his administration administer this state. I'm happy to vote green."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, first of all, just slightly... briefly on Build Illinois, because Representative Hawkinson said an agreement was reached. Build Illinois is supposed to have 1.3 billion dollars. The agreement, evidently, that Representative Hawkinson is talking about would add 400 million dollars over and above that 1.3 billion dollars, all proposed by Republicans. Now, Democrats have a Majority in both Houses. If that's an agreement, Representative Hawkinson, how stupid do you think we are? If you were a Majority Party, would you agree to that, that you would add on 400 million dollars of pork barrel projects for the other party? You wouldn't do that, so everybody here knows that wasn't a legitimate agreement. It wasn't an agreement at all. So, we're not stupid. But beyond that, why should anybody present such a partisan ploy on the backs of poor people? I don't think anybody 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 wants to do that. Representative Friedrich... Friedrich said that he believes sewers can be placed on the same level as the public aid budget. Are you telling me, Dwight, that people can eat something out of sewers? Are you trying to tell me that? They wouldn't eat rats. You wouldn't. I think that anybody ought to feel guilty in accepting $65 a day per diem when we can't give $144 a month to poor people, and we're going to be here tomorrow at another $65 a day? Are you telling me that? Add three days, and you're going to make more money, $195, and you won't give $144 to poor people. Don't tell me you believe in that. Tell the damn truth. The truth is that Lee Daniels is holding out, holding hostage, so poor people can't eat, because he wants projects in Republican areas. Now, I don't believe that any of us want to be here or should be here on the Fourth of July. I take... I say to myself, I didn't force it. I say to myself, honestly and for everybody here, no one on this side of the aisle forced it. I say to everybody here, your side of the aisle didn't force it. Only one man on your side of the aisle forced it. Now, keep getting your $65 a day. Keep on. Keep on. But let me tell you, poor people, I didn't force it. Lee Daniels forced it. You can't eat because of him, not because of me."

"Ms. Currie, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Our pleas based on compassion for poor people seem to fall on particularly deaf ears among our colleagues on the other side of the aisle - deaf ears, and I would say, especially hard hearts. The fact is that general assistance recipients get the princely sum of $154 a month. It isn't a lot of money. This month, they may not get even the $154 a month. I'll try another tack. You may not care much for 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 compassion for the poor. How about contracts? That's the kind of thing I think people on the other side of the aisle care a lot about - contracts and contractual obligations. We have, in law, a contractual obligation to fund that $154 a month for the general assistance recipient, to fund the program that supplies support for the aged, blind and disabled. This is not the largesse of our open hearts. It isn't us saying will we or won't we do the right thing for the least among us, the least able to provide for themselves. We have a contractual obligation, in law, to those public aid recipients who wait upon our action today so that they might have their checks to tide them through the month of July. If compassion won't do it, maybe contracts will. We don't have a contractual obligation to build a sewer in Marion, to build a firehouse in Winnebago, but we do have a contractual obligation to fund the public aid budget. That obligation is here today, and until we do that, until we perform and meet those obligations, we have no business even talking about buying for ourselves new contractual obligations under a newly created Build Illinois Program."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kulas, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Let's look at the whole scenario of why we are sittng here on July 4, 1985. When we recessed this House July 2, or rather the morning of July 3, I was walking home, and I looked up in the sky, and there was a full moon, and I figured, well, that partially explains the lunacy that went on in these chambers on the evening of July 2. And then I got home, and I couldn't fall asleep. I kept thinking, how can one person - one person - make a sham out of the legislative process? How can he, on this 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 House floor, make public ridicule of the Governor? How can he make fools out of all of us is beyond me. He's held us hostage, and now, he wants to hold the poor people of the State of Illinois hostage. Well, little Lord Fauntleroy has changed into the Ayatollah. Now, I ask you, Ladies and Gentlemen, if you believe that the ego and the public and political ambitions of one man are more important than your constituents, then vote 'present'; but, if you believe, as I, that you've been sent here to represent your constituents, then you should be voting 'yes'. I don't know. The Ayatollah's been sitting there very quietly. What do you have to say, 'Mr. Ayatollah'? What are we going to do? I vote 'aye'."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berrios, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the other side, today is supposed to be a celebration day - the Fourth of July - the birth of our country - and we sit here, as a Body, and tell the poor people of this state that we're not going to give them the money to feed themselves. I think we should all, as a Body, hold our heads down in shame, if we don't pass this Bill. There should be more votes up there. Just think, can you imagine what our forefathers are thinking now? That we are turning our backs on the poor people of this state? Put eight votes up there. Let's pass it, and then come back later and say, 'We can work this whole thing out.' Just remember, today's supposed to be the Fourth of July. Let's make it one for all the poor people of this state and vote 'aye'."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I hope that you will give me some leeway in the time constraint, because not very many 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 people have spoken on this side of the aisle on this issue. I would point out to some of the Members of this chamber, and perhaps some on that side who don't understand how we do things on this side, that Representative Daniels has never instructed me in how we conduct the floor operation. He was not the person who asked me to request Verified Oral Roll Calls on Bills. What he did ask me to do, and what Members of our Republican Conference have asked me to do, throughout the course of this Session, is to try to get Republican Bills that are important to them called. There have been a variety of Bills like that in this Legislative Session. Representative Tate has a Bill, a Bill that would simply implement an agreement last year between the Governor and all of the Legislative Leaders for a conservation lodge program in Illinois. And you know what? We went in to Mr. McPike, the Leader on the other side, and we corrected certain problems in that Bill that he wanted corrected. And now, that Bill sits on the Calendar and for days your side has refused to call the Bill. Last week, we wanted to go to an Order of Business so that we could provide some reform for McCormick Place, something where 250 million dollars, public money, citizens of this Illinois... of this state have invested, is engaged in corruption and waste and fraud. And when we tried to do that, and when we finally compelled the Speaker to do that, what the result was, was the Speaker said, 'I'm going to kill Build Illinois.' Mr. Speaker, a few... As a matter of fact, two years and six months ago, when you were elected by acclamation of the House at Mr. Daniel's request, you stood on that podium up there, and you read a speech to the people of Illinois, and what that speech said was that you were going to be the Speaker for all of the people of Illinois, for all of the sections of Illinois, 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 and that in Mr. Daniel's seconding your nomination to be Speaker, that you recognized that he would be cooperative, and that old coalitions could be set aside and new coalitions formed. Now, that imposes an obligation on you, Sir, an obligation that made it possible for you to become one of the great Speakers in Illinois history, one of the great Leaders. And I ask you not to throw away that continuing opportunity by arbitrarily exercising the one absolute prerogative that you have under the rules. And that one absolute prerogative is the Order of Call of Bills on the House Calendar. Don't say to us that we've got to do this Bill first, and that you're going to adjourn the House until the 15th of July. Don't say to us that Mr. Tate doesn't have the right to present a program important to downstate Illinois to this Assembly or that people who are concerned about reform at McCormick Place or about the future of this state, can't present their Bills to this Assembly. You know, you look at that Build Illinois Program, and it's a blueprint for economic growth and progress. Don't hold that hostage. Don't say that this Bill has to pass first. Sit down and be a reasonable man, and we'll agree to pass this Bill and every other Bill that provides progress for the people of Illinois. We can cooperatively do that, and the biggest victim of this process is not going to be the fate of a particular Bill on a particular day, because we know that eventually this chamber is going to do what's right for the people of Illinois. The biggest victim is going to be the hope all of us had for you, that you could be a great Speaker who could make this process important and an element of renewed faith for the people of Illinois. Don't throw away that promise, Sir."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Washington, one 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Never before have I seen an act of deceptive practice as I'm witnessing here today. Each of you on the other side that have voted 'present', you have displayed that act of deceptive practice. It's not only a question, a moral question, a Christian question, a humane question, but it's a question of what's right for people who can less afford to help themselves; the blind, the crippled, the sick, the senior citizens, and the hungry, and the poor. We have that right to serve and help those who are less fortunate. And I think, here today, if that vote is not changed, if this Bill is not passed, if those people don't receive those checks, if you ever seen a state of crime, you'll see one. And I say to the Minority Leader, come walk with me from 45th to 55th and State, from the first floor to the top floor of the 'Robert Taylor Homes'. And you explain to the people why you refuse to give them that help, that this government certainly has indicated that it's willing to do. One of the things that I must say that was great about Jesus of Nazareth, that made him such a person that he is, he walked, he talked, but he helped those who was less fortunate. He represents that which was right. He represents that which was a need to help those who were hungry. He helped those who were inflicted with illness. If you ever had a conscience, here today is the time for you to exemplify that conscience, because I know that if you sleep tonight, your conscience will be bothering you, if you fail to change that vote. It's important, not from a standpoint of what Build Illinois will do. We're not here to negotiate out and compromise out the livelihood and welfare of an individual. We're here to represent that. That is the principle. If ever a word, as was indicated 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 here, is your bond, our word should be our bond to those people that we're here representing. In the affluent area of Barrington and the southern part of the state down as far as Cairo, in the City of Chicago and the western suburbs, we're here today to represent people in this state, and if we fail to do that, we have failed our right to be an elected part of this elected Body. If you ever will want to be a party such as the great party that we are on this side, I think you have an opportunity to certainly exemplify that by voting this Bill out and letting the people of this state who are less fortunate know that you are willing to be of help, and that you understand that that's one of your rights as a Legislator. So I urge you, men and women on the other side, the Minority Leader, I urge you to show compassion, to show concern, show the kind of leadership, if you want to say real leadership, show the kind of courage that we all, on this side, have shown, and that we are committed to, and the Speaker is committed to. Show that concern, because it's important that we help the people who can least afford to help themselves. But I say again, come walk with me. Let you explain to the people in 'Robert Taylor Homes' why they didn't get their checks. Let you explain to the people throughout the state why they didn't get their checks."

"Bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"So I urge you to vote 'aye'."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I wasn't planning on explaining my vote, but something was mentioned on the other side of the aisle that I wanted to respond to. I believe someone over there said that four out of the five Legislative Leaders have agreed 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 on Build Illinois and, therefore, we should agree to it over here. It seems to me that four out of the five Legislative Leaders have agreed to pass the public aid budget as well. Even Pate Philip gave his vote to pass the public aid budget. He didn't do, and the Republicans in the Senate didn't do what you're doing now. But, I guess you have to follow your Leader, and I imagine that what I read in the paper is true. Your Leader feels that when I use the legislative tools available to me, I use them to the greatest extent. This is tough politics we're engaged in, and I acknowledge that he's trying to belatedly win one issue this Session. Well, I guess you're locked into your Caucus position. Now, I wasn't here at the time that this happened, but I was told that that always hasn't been the precedent. I was told that there was a vote, not for a public aid Bill, but for an election for Speaker of the House. And your Leader, your Leader voted for the Democratic candidate and broke the Caucus. I would ask you to do the same thing and vote for this Bill. Don't follow bad advice."

"The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Davis, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the... of Illinois. I hope I'm allowed the same latitude. I won't take much more than a moment. We've stood and sat and listened to you heap abuse, disparaging remarks, some violently inflammatory, on our side of the aisle. You've accused us of being unsympathetic and uncaring. You've accused us of being terrorists. You've accused us of all kinds of vile epithets. And I suppose you're entitled to that, from your position and where you stand. The position of Speaker - Mr. Speaker, if I could have your attention, Mr. Madigan - and the position of President of the Senate 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 are extremely powerful political positions and powerful positions of public policy and direction for all of the people of Illinois. The President of the Senate is a Cook County Democrat. Speaker Madigan is a Cook County and a Chicago Democrat. The welfare budget, while for all the people of Illinois, the greatest portion of it goes to Cook County and the Democratic Party. The President of the Senate... Not the Democratic Party, the City of Chicago, excuse me. The Democratic President of the Senate did his work and lived up to the agreement that he promised, and he adjourned, and he went home. And unfortunately, from your point of view, I suppose, or from anyone's, that position has locked us into passing what they did, because they may not come back or they may come back. Now we see the Speaker of the House holding up everything because of your Caucus' intransigence on following the same procedure that the Senate followed. We simply think there is an agreement. There should be an agreement that's followed, and your Caucus has reacted in a political manner. The Majority Leader spoke of Build Illinois as more important to us than children and blind people. That's simply not true. The Majority Leader himself has over six, seven million dollars in Build Illinois for an Alton sewer and a Wood River sewer and a Lewis and Clark College, Wood River Flood Control. It's all over the place. That's in there, too, and that will all be passed. We all know that this will happen sooner or later, but while we're doing that, the Speaker of the House and the Democrat Party have more culpability in holding up the public aid budget than the Republican Minority could ever have, because he simply has to follow some Order of Call, and we can all get out of here. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Speaker of the House has that ability and that power, and so does your Caucus. 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 You know it, and we know it. For the last six weeks in this Session, the tone has been political from your side of the aisle. Justice has been kidnapped and hidden in the Speaker's Office for the last six weeks. And I can tell you something. If you want the public aid budget passed, as Democrats sitting over there - and all of you rose to speak on this - then you can pass it with the proper Order of Call. And I'll tell you something else. If any of you over there, including you, Mr. Speaker, were arrested today for being a Democrat, there wouldn't be enough evidence to convict any of you."

"The Gentleman from Kankakee, Mr. Pangle, one minute to explain your vote, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just say I think we've just got some words from another possible state candidate. But I have a brief message to the taxpayers of the State of Illinois. Every day that the Republican side of the aisle keeps us in Session, the taxpayers will be spending $7,670. $7,670 of hard earned tax money will be spent as long as the Republicans hold us hostage. I would say to you that if their real Leader, Abraham Lincoln, was in this chamber, he would lower his head."

"The Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer. One minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I have been watching the board as Members have risen to debate and explain their votes, and I'm not so presumptuous or foolish to think that anything that I could say would change that board when no votes have changed. I just have a basic observation to make, and then perhaps a request. As one who has sat here for two terms and been a Member of the Majority Party only, I've admired the Minority Party, and I've worked with a number of you on a number of measures 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 and made friends with very many of you. And I know that you're not uncaring people and that you are compassionate. And I'm really surprised that when we came here today, that I... I would have bet... I would have bet all those per diem checks that you wouldn't have taken the position that you did. There seems to be something surreal about all this. During the past few weeks, we've had some parliamentary maneuverings by the Minority Party. There were... There was, when Representative Davis had his Bill that he wanted to call on the state right to a jury trial, we had Motions for Oral Verified Roll Calls in order to create a filibuster; and, when the medical malpractice Bills were held up in the House Judiciary I Committee, we had a Motion to discharge which passed. We've seen time after time when the Minority Party has been effective in using the rules of this House to prevail, and I admire that, because I think that you're looking out for the interest of the Members of your Party. But what's surreal about this is that the issue that we're voting on now is one about which we all agree, and as Representative Vinson pointed out, there's no disagreement on the merits of this Bill. Everyone on both sides of the aisle are for the appropriations Bill, and sometimes I think we need to just get back and step away from all this, as I'm sure we will, once we get away from here, and think about what we're doing. And when we do this, I think that you're going to realize that you're picking the wrong issue to stand and make your point. This is not an issue for using parliamentary rules or your ability to block the passage of this Bill. This is a public aid Bill. This is a Bill for the needy and the people who are not receiving those checks, who won't be able to go to the grocery store, won't be able to put food on the table. It's simply the wrong 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 issue, and the people of this state tolerate us through all of the parliamentary haggling with all these other issues, but they won't understand this one, and I think that what we need to do, instead of get locked into polarization rhetoric, is to stand back and think of... just for a moment, about the issue that's before us. And, Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a suggestion that perhaps, as we've done in the past, dump the Roll Call and have everyone reflect for a moment and call the vote again. I know there are Members who are absent whose votes are not on that board, and perhaps there are Members who have voted who don't wish to be so conspicuous by changing their votes in the middle of a Roll Call. But there is precedent for dumping the Roll Call, and I think that no one... no one will lose face over this. We've all taken positions for which we... we realize, perhaps, there should be some flexibility. I certainly have done that and risen to change my vote on a number of issues. And let's... let's consider that, if you will, Mr. Speaker, in dumping the Roll Call and taking a new Roll Call on this Bill."

"The Lady from Sangamon, Ms. Oblinger, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, most of you know that I am concerned about the people that we're talking about. I just have two very brief points. Number one, if this Bill was so terribly important, I wish you'd called it when you only needed 60 votes, and we wouldn't have gotten into this situation. But secondly, if we would only adopt the Order of Business that the Senate did, we could be out of here in ten minutes. They took Senate Bill 993, 655, put them together on one Roll Call, let that go out as Build Illinois with some confidence in the Governor, and then they went right to the public aid. Why can't we 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 do that? We'd be out of here in ten minutes. Thank you."

"Mr. Vitek, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I truly admire the vote up there, because I understand it's a vote of each individual's conscience, and I hope the media and the press and everybody take a copy of that Roll Call and publish it in every newspaper in the State of Illinois. I'm proud to vote 'aye'."

"Mr. McCracken, the Gentleman from DuPage, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I'd like the press to listen closely to this as well. You'll notice there are no red votes there from our side of the aisle, and given a look to history, you'll notice that Republicans have always supported and helped pass the public aid measures. So I think we're confronted with a false issue. The real issue is this. Are we going to pass what the Senate has passed, or are we going to pass this Bill and then be told to go home and come back in a week or two and work on the rest of the budget? We're not fools over here. We've seen how the Calendar has been handled of late, and those Oral Verified Roll Calls were our only parliamentary device to force the Speaker, to force the Majority, to honor the Calendar. So I submit to you that if you want this Bill passed, you go back to the Speaker, you go back to your Caucus. You tell him that if he will call the Orders of Business in due course, if he will call the Build Illinois Bills to which the Senate has already agreed, if he will call the rest of the budget to which the Senate has already agreed, if he will call the substantive Bills to which the Senate has already agreed, and then he will call the public aid Bill, to which the Senate has agreed, then we'll be out of here by 5:00 today. That's all we're asking. We just want to 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 make sure it gets done. The Speaker's prerogative relative to the Calendar scares us. We are scared of it based on our experiences of the last few weeks. The Order of Call is the only issue. Go back and tell the Speaker that we want an Order of Call on which we can rely, and you can have this Bill, you can have every appropriations Bill, you can have every substantive Bill, and you can have them by 5:00 p.m. today."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Saltsman, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The same people that are getting hurt by these welfare checks not being delivered are the same people that the Governor never allotted anything for in our area for Build Illinois. I voted for Build Illinois, and I also led the opposition to Speaker Madigan, and this is why we're in this position we are right now. Because in the district that I come from and many of us from downstate, there's nothing there that we can take back to these people from this program. If, for one minute, these people who are not going to have food on their table Monday or Tuesday, thought that I sold in for the Governor's reelection campaign, they would like to go... they would probably want to go a couple more days without food to think that the Governor's reelection campaign and Build Illinois where he beefed up all the Republican areas that we should take their food from their mouths. For that reason, they would disrespect me for selling out to his reelection campaign. They're being hurt double. They're the ones that buy used cars. They're the ones that's going to pay the tax. Look at our area. There's nothing in there for it. Look at the area where you all come from. This is a program for his reelection. It's a program to hurt the same people that we're holding 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 the welfare back from next week. We're hurting them twice, but I don't think they'd respect us if we sold out for the Governor's reelection campaign."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I, like many on this side, hadn't really planned to speak on this issue, but I've heard some things today that concern me. First of all, let me establish this loud and clear. Lee Daniels has 100 percent support on this side of the aisle. As a matter of fact, there has never been stronger support on this side on any issue before the General Assembly as he has on this issue. But I'm also alarmed. During my seven years in the General Assembly, I've heard some fantastic debates. And, yes, we've even had some this Session. But I have never, and I say never, heard such vilification or excoriation of one individual Member for a cause he believes in. And for that, all of you should be ashamed. We have great debates here. We have lengthy debates, and they all deal with the merits of questions, and as they should. But you should be ashamed of yourself for getting... personally excoriating one of our Members who's doing what he believes in and doing that on behalf of his Membership, as Lee Daniels has done. Secondly, to the issue itself at stake here. You know, some of you may not be aware, but my community, during the last couple of years, has had the highest unemployment in the State of Illinois. And, yes, we have, in fact, recovered somewhat. But let me say this to you today. We are now at an unemployment level of about 13 percent, and that's appalling. I have laborers and blue collar people and every other citizen in my community who wants to go to work. And I must say to you here today, so there's no 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS. 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 equivocation, that those unemployed people in my city are as important to me as are the public aid recipients who also need our help. I want to do both. I will vote for both Bills, Build Illinois and also the public aid budget. But you can't do them separately because we're all concerned citizens of my district. I want to help the people in my State of Illinois. I want to provide jobs for now and jobs for the future. This is the way to do it. Stick together on this issue, and together we will have, in fact, passed the public aid budget, passed Build Illinois and do what's best for all the citizens of our state. I ask for your support in this 'present' vote. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thirty seconds, Mr. Speaker. In response to Representative Oblinger, 655 does not have what it was embodied in 993, only the 400... 370 million dollar Republican pork. We already... The Speaker's credibility, as far as Call, has been questioned. We already went through that. Every Member of this Body, especially the Democrats, was hung out to dry on 570. We gave the Governor 1.3 billion dollars in taxes and bond issues, and only to watch 993, which embodies the things that we wanted to go right down the tube, and I just wanted to clarify that."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 65 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 45 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of an announcment. There will be a Democratic Caucus immediately after adjournment. And Mr. Speaker, I now move that we stand adjourned until 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 70th Legislative Day July 4, 1985 2:00 p.m. tomorrow afternoon."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 2:00 p.m. tomorrow. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House stands adjourned until the hour of 2:00 tomorrow." 39  12/11/95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 14:12 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 1 JULY 04, 1985 HB-0510 MOTION PAGE 6 HB-1038 MOTION PAGE 5 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 7 SB-1091 MOTION PAGE 7 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER GREIMAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REPRESENTATIVE MCGANN PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - ALL PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE PAGE 1 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"The hour of 2:00 having arrived, the House will be in Session. The Chaplain for today will be Father Robert J. Jallas of the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Springfield. Father Jallas is a guest of Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in the gallery please rise and join us in the invocation? Father Jallas."

"I make a promise to you that I won't make this prayer as long as your Session. God, our Gracious Father, we once again invoke Your good name at the end of yet another work day. We ask Your blessing upon us, upon these Legislators, who endeavor to wind up the year filled with many demands and attention to endless details. Give them rest this day and night. Bless and protect them as they take leave of here. Give them a greater vision of Your constant care and love for them in the midst of their busyness. Watch carefully over their loved ones, and may they soon come to enjoy the summer recess they have worked so hard for. We ask all this in Your name. Amen."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp, will lead us in the pledge to the flag. Mr. Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 Members having answered to the Call of the Quorum, a quorum is present. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Speaker, let the record reflect the excuse absence of Al Ronan on official business."

"Let the record so reflect. Agreed 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Resolutions."

Clerk O'Brien: "House Resolution 657, offered by Representative Ropp; 659, by Wojcik; 660, by Richmond. And Senate Joint Resolution 85, by O'Connell and Terzich."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on the Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 657, by Ropp, congratulates Father... Reverend Gerike. Wojcik's 59 (sic - 659), commends the Claessens. 660, by Richmond, recognizes Nicole Glasser. And Senate Joint 85 recognizes that Senator Lemke is being engaged to be married, by O'Connell and Terzich. I move for the Agreed Resolutions."

"Is there any discussion on the Agreed Resolutions today? The Gentleman from Winnebago has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Oh, yes, Mr. Vinson. I'm sorry."

"There was discussion. Mr. Ewing is not here. He's the person who normally approves Agreed Resolutions. The Gentleman who presented the Agreed Resolutions did not read them in any audible fashion, and I think that's a poor way to start business today."

"Mr... Mr. Vinson, we certainly don't want to impair the Agreed Resolutions passage, and wishing Mr. Lemke and Mr. and Mrs. Lemke good luck, so if... perhaps you'd like to go over and discuss this with Mr. Giorgi, and we could certainly... I know your talents would be specially suited for the Agreed Resolution list. So, if you'd like to check with him now, we'd be glad to have you do that. General Resolutions."

Clerk O'Brien: "House Resolution 638, offered by Representative Bowman - et al. House Resolution 658, offered by 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Representative Davis - et al."

"Committee on Assignment. Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 661, offered by Representative Johnson and Didrickson, with respect to the memory of Leslie A. Ryan, Sr., of Champaign, Illinois."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, moves for the passage of the Death Resolutions. There being no objection, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Death Resolutions?' Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Death Resolutions are adopted. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"I have an inquiry of the Chair."

"What is your inquiry, Mr. Leverenz?"

"Now?"

"Not yet. We'll let you know."

"No, the word is 'not now'."

"Oh, not now."

"Not yet. Check your script."

"Mr. Goforth, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Mr. Goforth? I don't know what it is, but I'll probably ingest anything, whatever it might be. Mr. Preston, for what purpose do you seek recognition? You want to try again with me, huh? Okay."

"Mr. Speaker, thank you. Last night, Mr. Speaker, during the fourth night of our captivity, my seatmate, Representative John Dunn, was gracious enough to offer me lodging and food at his home in Decatur, and we had a very enjoyable evening, and the price that I was charged for that was a mere $45.50, but in addition to that, he graciously threw in for free, doing my laundry, so I am now ready to spend the rest of the week or next week here in Springfield, and for all the other Members, if you have 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 laundry that you need done, if you would drop that laundry off at Representative Dunn's desk, if it's in by 11:00, it will be out by 3:00. Thank you."

"Well, Mr. Preston, does that mean you made a profit of $19.55 per..."

"That's yesterday."

"That's correct."

"It's okay. It was a holiday, after all. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, seek recognition?"

"I have an inquiry of the last speaker. I'd like to know how much Mr. Preston lost on Mr. Dunn's pool table in the basement."

"Mr. Preston."

"My name was mentioned in debate, Mr. Speaker..."

"I hardly think that we would call that debate, but alright."

"I'd like the Gentleman to know, Mr. Speaker, that I won $8.00 at pool, but the charge was $12.00 for the use of the pool table, so again, I came up short."

"The House will be in order. Mr. Vinson, have you had an opportunity to examine the Agreed Resolutions?"

"Yes, I have, and I called to Mr. Giorgi's attention one that we would not agree to."

"Alright, then. We'll just do them later. I'm not sure which one that is. So, we'll just go to them."

"Sure."

"At... We'll go to them later on. Alright."

"Sure."

"Supplemental Calendar #1, Conference Committee Reports appears Senate Bill 476. The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert. The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Mr. 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise to move that the House do adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 476."

"The Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves that the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would request a Republican Conference in Room 118 immediately."

"How long will you need, Mr. Vinson?"

"Forty-five minutes."

"Forty-five minutes. Alright. Excuse me. Mr... Mr. Giglio."

"Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker, the Democrats would like to Caucus immediately in Room 114."

"Alright. Then, we will be in this posture. Mr. Madigan has moved to consider Senate Bill... the Conference Committee Report #1 on Senate Bill 476, which we will return to when we come back. There will be a Republican Conference in Room 118, a Democratic Conference in Room 114. We will be back at approximate... at exactly 3:30. 3:30. Thank you. The House will be in order. At the time the House recessed, Speaker Madigan had moved that the House do adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, once again, I rise to move that the House do adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 476. This matter was considered yesterday. It could have been considered the day before. It is now three days later, and we have failed to adopt the budget for the Department of Public Aid. Thousands and thousands of recipients all over 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 the State of Illinois are without their checks to pay their rent, to buy food and care for their family. This situation is intolerable. We will continue to call this Bill until this budget is adopted, and those people can get their checks simply to survive, not to live luxuriously, but simply to survive. Mr. Speaker, again, I move that we do adopt the Conference Committee Report."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves that the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I filed a written Motion which I'll just reiterate. I move to hear Senate Bill 476, House Bill 655 and House Bill 993 simultaneously, and further, that all three Bills be incorporated into a single Roll Call, a Roll Call vote immediately upon consideration. That Motion is in writing, and it's been filed, and I would so move."

"It is, indeed, in writing, but it is, indeed, out of order under our rules, Sir. Under the rules, when we leave, we are to return to the same place that... from whence we left. And that is where we came back to. Your Motion was filed after that time, so that it is not timely and it's out of order. Mr... Further discussion? Alright, Mr. Johnson."

"I'm going to be calm about this, just as you are, Mr. Speaker. I don't... I don't understand at all the substance of your ruling, and I think that we ought to know that."

"Then I will tell you, Mr. Johnson. Listen carefully. When we adjourned, when we recessed, Mr. Madigan had moved that the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1. He had made a Motion. At that time, I... and 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 he put the Motion. At that time, Mr. Vinson requested a Republican Conference and Mr. Giglio a Democratic Conference. Under our rules, Rule 39, when we leave an Order of Business, we are... and we come back, we are to come back to the same Order of Business at the same place. Accordingly, Mr. Madigan, we come back in the posture that Mr. Madigan has moved for the adoption of Conference Committee Report 31. In the interim period, you come up, and you file two Motions which, I guess, are the same, and they are not timely, and they are out of order, and that is my ruling. For that reason, we are on Mr. Madigan's Motion. It is not a subsidiary Motion. It is not an incidental Motion to that Bill. Now, I will allow Mr. Johnson to address my ruling. I will allow some reasonable hysteria over the ruling, and then we will proceed to discussion of the public aid appropriation. And on that, the Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"I appreciate that. I feel a little like the defendant before the trial who's told what his sentence is going to be, but I'll simply make the point that the substitute Motion is always in order, under the rules of our House, and if that isn't good enough, then I would move, at this point, to suspend all appropriate rules so that my Motion, which I filed, and which I've just reiterated, can be heard immediately. I think a Motion to suspend all appropriate rules so that we can get to that Order of Business and so that my Motion can be heard is always in order. If it isn't, then we're making a..."

"Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson, the other day we had a ruling which was not appreciated too much by some Members of the House. And you fellows went through about 10 minutes of trying to figure out what the right Motion was. So, I'm not... I'm not going to go through the 10 minutes 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 because I don't want to hear it all over again. The correct Motion for you to make if you are unhappy is, 'I appeal the ruling of the Chair.' That is what your Motion is, and that is the only Motion for which I will now recognize you. Mr. Johnson."

"My Motion is that we suspend the appropriate rule..."

"No, Sir. Your Motion is... I have ruled that that other... that Motion is out of order. I called on you, Sir, in the discussion of the Public Aid Bill. You suggested that Motions had been filed. I recognized that, indeed, they had been filed, that those Motions were out of order. That is the posture, and that is for the reasons for which I have called upon you. You may now appeal my ruling if that is your choice. I am... The Chair is willing to put his ruling to a debate. Now, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Hallock has called for recognition, and it is the intention of the Chair to call on the Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."

"Well, in light of your decision on the matter we just discussed, I would now move, Mr. Speaker, that we go to the Order of Motions and move to the specific Motion which was enunciated by Mr. Johnson. And that is always in order, and I now make that Motion."

"While we're looking at the rules, Mr. Vinson. No, Mr. Hallock. I'm sorry."

"Mr. Speaker, you don't really have to look too far back for precedent. We did this about three weeks ago when we debated one of the important Bills before the General Assembly this Session. You so ruled at that time, and I would now ask you to again rule the same way you did three weeks ago. The precedent has been established. It's very clear. I would ask you now to support my Motion, and let's take a vote." 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Just to suggest to you that not all of the wisdom and not all of the justice present in the State of Illinois or present in this chamber will be found in that rule book. And I would suggest to you that you reflect upon the substance of the Motion and the substance of what would be accomplished by the Motion in making your ruling. One of the things that would be accomplished by that... by the substance of Mr. Johnson's Motion would be a chance to ensure welfare checks to recipients who don't now have welfare checks, and to assure jobs for people who don't now have jobs, and to assure..."

"Mr... Mr. Vinson, excuse me. Mr... Excuse me, Sir. That may... Those may be all valid reasons why one might wish the ruling to be made. But I am bound, Sir, by the rules of the House, by Roberts' Rules of Order. Now, so that we may dispose of Mr. Johnson's Motion, Mr. Vinson's plea and Mr. Hallock's suggestion, I would address you to the Precedence of Motions. It says, 'While a question is under debate, no Motion may be entertained except...' and then goes on and lists a number of items that may be suggested for change. None of those fall within the purview of Mr. Johnson's Motion. Accordingly, I will recognize you now on the issue of Mr. Madigan's Motion to adopt Conference #1. Mr. Davis."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, in the calm, I hope, of this debate - and I think the Chair is obfuscating the issue - I think Mr. Johnson's Motion, while not properly put in light of your ruling for whatever your purposes are of making that ruling, is that Mr. Johnson incorporated, in his Motion, 476. So he's addressed that. He says, 'Yes, let's hear that, Mr. Speaker.' Actually, I suppose he should have amended his Motion to say that the inclusion of 476 along 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 with 655 and 993 should be made at this point. Because that, then, if that amended Motion was adopted by this House, then we could hear all three, and we want to hear 476. We want to pass 476. We want to get out of here. We want to do the budget. Why, Sir, will you not recognize us for that opportunity? Are you afraid, Sir, that the real agenda will come out? Are you afraid, Sir, that the Democratic Party does not want to pass 476?"

"Mr. Davis. Yes, further discussion? The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, the only reason for having rules at all, including Roberts' Rules of Order, is to see that the people have a right to be heard. And this is a free society, and we have self government. And that's what rules are for. And they certainly can... And I think you're thwarting the rules because you're denying the people the right to have something put to them. Now, if you're afraid it will pass, then of course, that's your reason for doing it, and you're right. Our only recourse is to appeal the ruling of the Chair, because you sit up there as God Almighty in that position and that... the Chair has a lot of power. You're using that power to destroy the right of the people to vote on a question."

"Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I have been extremely pleased with the leadership of the real Speaker of this chamber for the last term and a half. It seems like we have an individual who is extremely articulate, who, every day of his life, is so extremely dedicated and so organized that I think all of us here could look to him for that outstanding leadership, because no person has taken the concerns of operating of this House any better than he has up until about three weeks ago. 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Now, in an attempt to resolve a very serious situation that we have, in the last three days we ought to be in a position now to put two or three Bills together. It is not uncommon for us to have done this in the last several months."

"Mr. Ropp, I want to give you full latitude. Let me... Let me say this to the House, to the Body. I want to give each of you an opportunity to address the Chair's ruling, and each of you will be given that opportunity to briefly address the Chair's ruling, but I will not allow you to go beyond the scope of the ruling. The reasons for the ruling, the wisdom of the ruling is one thing. I am bound, as are all of the other 117 of you, to rule in accordance with Rule 72, on the Precedence of Motions. I am following the rules for which Mr. Friedrich, the Gentleman from Marion, is the... the Minority Spokesman of the Rules Committee. And I will certainly allow any of the speakers to address my ruling, but not to go beyond that. Please don't abuse it, Sir. Is that an appeal from the ruling of the Chair? Is that what you're doing? Oh, you won't question it. Oh, surely. Alright, then. On... On Mr. Madigan's Motion, Mr. Ropp. Mr. Hallock."

"I don't believe we had a resolution to my Motion. My Motion was - and I'll cite you the rule in a moment, here - that I move that we go to the Order of Motions and then on that Order, we move specifically to the Motion, which was to call Senate Bill 476, the Public Aid Bill; House Bill 655 and House Bill 993. Now a specific citation for that in our rules, right here we have, on page six, for your information, Rule 11 (b), which says, 'Any Order of Business may be changed at any time upon the Motion of any Member supported by five additional Members.' And I now make that Motion and ask for a vote on that Motion." 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Yes, Mr. Hallock, so that you understand, the Chair is in... is obviously aware of that ruling. That is when we are not in the midst of debate. We don't read these in an isolated fashion. Indeed, that's what it says, but I point out to you again, Rule 72 says that while a question is under debate, no Motion may be entertained except for some very specific procedural Motions. Now, Mr. Hallock, if you are prepared to overrule the Chair, you may... I will recognize you. If you are not, I will go on to others. Are you prepared to rule that? Mr. Hallock?"

"We were on no debate at all..."

"We were absolutely..."

"Motion... The substitute Motion is always in order, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Hallock, you are out of order, Sir. We were in the midst of debating Mr. Madigan's Motion to adopt the Conference Committee Report. And on that, the Lady from Sangamon, Ms. Oblinger."

"Mr. Speaker, I do have a question."

"Yes."

"You referred to 39 (b), and it says, 'When a Bill or Resolution...', and you said we're to come back to the same Order of Business. However, in here it says, 'When it's called on either the Order of Second Reading or Third Reading', and we're not on Second or Third Reading. We're on Conference Reports. I want to know how that applies. And when we're on Conference Reports..."

"It's a separate sentence, Mrs. Oblinger. We have returned to this Order. I recognized Mr. Madigan. He made the... He made his Motion again. He put his Motion a second time, and although he did not have to, because I announced that I was calling on him on that Order. At this point, I ruled Mr. Johnson's Motions as not being timely. 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 and I have pointed out that Mr. Hallock's Motion is also out of order. Now, Mr. Ewing, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Parliamentary Inquiry. If we vote on this Motion a second time and it fails to receive enough votes to pass, what will its position be?"

Speaker Greiman: "It will... It will be on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Mr. Vinson. Yes, I'm sorry. Mr. Ewing. Yes."

"Can we... "

"Tom."

"We can... Thank you, Allen. Can we vote on a Conference Committee Report any number of times? That's my inquiry."

"Any number of times."

"Thank you."

"Till it... Yes, any number of times. Yes, Mr. Vinson?"

"Mr. Speaker and Mr. real Speaker. Mike, I would ask you to withdraw your Motion at this time so that we can go to a Motion that would involve all three Bills and that would ensure not only that welfare recipients got checks, but also that unemployed people got jobs and also that coal was utilized in this state. We can take all three things together. We can act on all three things together. If you, as an individual and as the Presiding Officer in this chamber, would simply withdraw your Motion, and then we can provide jobs and welfare... "

"Alright. Mr. Vinson, on the Motion, please. Mr. Johnson, on the Motion. On the ruling, I mean."

"Point of parliamentary inquiry and a point of order. Rule 82 of our House Rules incorporates therein, we're not in conflict with our other House Rules, Roberts' Rules of Order. And I would specifically invite your attention to 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Section 10, pages 7... 95 and 96 of Roberts' Rules of Order which provide, among other things, quote, "A Member speaking in debate can urge rejection of the pending Motion, saying that if it is voted down, he'll offer a different main Motion on the same subject, which he can describe briefly. If the pending Motion is thereafter voted down, the Chair immediately recognizes this Member again for the purpose of making his alternative Motion, even if another Member rises to claim the floor first and addresses the Chair." So in keeping with Representative Ewing's inquiry, my inquiry is, if this Motion which we've addressed parliamentarily so far, fails, will you then move pursuant to Roberts' Rules of Order, since it's not in conflict with our other House Rules, to my Motion, which would allow us to hear Build Illinois, jobs and welfare all on the same Roll Call?"

"Mr. Johnson, the Chair is not prepared to make perspective rulings of any kind. I would also have to look and see whether such rule... such a Motion would stand the test of a request for division of... division of the question. I'm not sure. I would have checked that. But in any event, the answer is that I am now prepared, Mr. Johnson, I am now prepared to proceed on Mr. Madigan's Motion unless I hear an appeal from the ruling of the Chair. Mr. Johnson."

"Well, since it's obvious, from the Chair, from the other side of the aisle, that we're not going to let the people of Illinois have an opportunity to hear all the issues that affect this Session and..."

"Mr. Johnson. You, Sir, are very much out of order. Now, on Mr. Madigan's... Oh, you're definitely in order. Alright. The question is... Do you wish to debate that, Sir? Alright. I thought you were going to do it 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 calmly. Go ahead, Mr. Johnson."

"Mr. Speaker, I always keep my calm, just as you do. I have a tradition around here of being calm, cool, collected. And so, accordingly, and with my friendship for the Chair in mind, I would move, since it is, in my judgment, violation of the House Rules, to appeal the ruling of the Chair."

"Are you joined by six Members? Well, yes. Seemingly so. Alright. On Mr. Johnson's Motion to overrule... to appeal the ruling of the Chair, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I rise in support of the Motion, and I do it very cautiously, because it's not too often that we in this House move to this Order of Business and take this step. And it is, in fact, a drastic step, but I believe it's one which has to be taken for the citizens of this state. We have, here in Illinois, been at a stalemate for four days, now. The Senate has been done for two days with their obligations and their duties to the people of this state. This Resolution would solve that crisis. This Resolution will ensure that those people on public aid who need the money to exist, in fact, do get that money, and they should have it. This Bill also will ensure... This Motion also will ensure that we get to the Order of Business of Build Illinois, which will ensure that the unemployed people in our state and those who want to keep feeding their families in the future will also have their chance to do that. This is a proper Motion. It's a very serious Motion. And I would hope all Members of the House will join me on this, and I urge..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Hallock. Alright, now. Understand... Understand, there are a few folks who would like to speak on this, and the other day, I held you 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 strictly to discuss the Motion, and that's what I expect today. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"I'd like to support Representative Johnson's Motion. The reason is, I think your... your ruling was arbitrary. There is a remedy in the rules. It's been pointed out to you, both in Roberts' Rules of Order and in our own rules, that you could make a different decision which would, you know, break the deadlock in this House over something that's very important. So, I say that I support it because, again, I say you're making arbitrary rulings. I suspect that your ruling was made before the Motion was put."

"Mr. Davis, the Gentleman from Will."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of Representative Johnson's Motion to overrule the ruling of the Chair, and it's very simple, because this Roll Call will prove to the people in the State of Illinois who is blocking the work of the House. Now, this Roll Call appeals an arbitrary and premeditated ruling of the Chair. There's no question what you're doing, Mr. Speaker, and now with... through the efforts of the fourth estate who is here, all the people of Illinois will know what the Democratic Party is up to. It is painfully obvious that we do not wish to overrule the Speaker of this House. He's our Speaker on both sides, but you, Sir, either acting in his capacity or on your own, have been capricious and arbitrary in denying us the opportunity for incorporating all three Bills into a Motion. And that's the reason for this Motion, and I'm speaking to it. It is painfully obvious now to all the people of Illinois that this Roll Call will tell exactly what the Democrat Party is all about, exactly who is blocking the issue, here. It hasn't been us for three days, and it won't be us today..." 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"To the Motion, Mr... Davis. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, on the Motion to appeal the ruling of the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Brief inquiry. On what Motion did the Chair rule? Representative Johnson's Motion, Representative Hallock's Motion, or both?"

"Yes."

"All of the above. Okay. Thank you."

"But I... I think Mr. Johnson was the one, however, who was requesting the appeal of the Chair, and I suggest it was on his Motions that he was making the appeal. So that, we are, therefore, questioning whether Mr. Johnson, after debate has begun, can enter the fray with a Motion. That is what is in front of us now. I have ruled to the contrary. And on that, Mr. McCracken, I recognize you, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Speaker has denied what we have commonly called a substitute Motion in his ruling. That Motion would be to consolidate, for a single vote, the three Bills at issue - Public Aid, Build Illinois, and the Democrat version of Build Illinois. Those three Bills are, indeed, the logjam, and I would like you to consider, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Johnson's discussion relative to the precise issue. He moved to suspend the appropriate rule on which you relied in denying his Motions or declaring them out of order. As you know, any rule can be suspended by 60 affirmative votes in the absence of a stated requirement of a greater number. That Motion is always in order. That Motion takes precedence. That Motion can be heard at any time. You have ruled out of order not only his originally written Motions, you have ruled out of order Representative Hallock's Motion to move to a particular Order of Business. 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 You have ruled out of order Representative Johnson's Motion to suspend the appropriate rules, which is done commonly, all of the time, orally and, as on noncontroversial matters, is done by leave of the House. That ruling, at this time, in light of that history of precedence, is an abuse of the Chair and, I think, demonstrates dramatically the fact that the other side of the aisle is not interested in resolving the issue."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Again, I rise with a great deal of regret that we have to do this. I rise also with a great deal of sincere respect for the Gentleman in the Chair and respect for the Chair in total. I'm not the Parliamentarian here. I very rarely stand up and speak on Parliamentarian issues, but you know, Mr. Speaker, and everybody in this chamber knows that there are ways to get around issues. As a matter of fact, yesterday, when I stood, there... you accepted, and then I made a Motion to take something out of the record. And there was a substitute Motion made at that time, and you accepted it. I believe that there's a way to solve a problem. There's a solution that we can find to expedite passing, whether it's public aid or the rest of the budget that we talk about mental health or whatever those things that we have to fund in the state, and you all know what those are. There's a solution. It's practical. It can be done..."

"Mr. Hastert, on the Motion. On the Motion."

"And I would accept that... that Motion be voted upon positively."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich."

"Let's vote and move the previous question."

"Mr. Terzich moves that the main question be 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 put. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The previous question be put. The question is, 'Shall the Chair be overruled?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. It requires 60 affirmative votes. Mr. Churchill, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A lot of people being affected today by this vote and by the other votes that are going to happen here. There are a lot of people who should be receiving checks who are not receiving checks. There are people who work for government or get checks from government who are questioning whether or not those checks will come. There are those who question whether or not the 15th of the month will arrive, and we will still not have a resolution of this matter. I want to vote for public aid. I want to vote for the budget. I want to vote for Build Illinois. I want to vote for all of the items on the budget. We're in a logjam. We're in a logjam, a very serious logjam, here. And I was always told that politics abhors a logjam, so what I say to you on the other side of the aisle is, join us. Let's get over this logjam, and let's move forward and finish up the business of the House."

"Mr. Ropp, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to recall for you a picture that I'm sure you have all seen - the fact of two large bales of hay, the fact with each being tied, one to an elephant and one to a donkey with a large chain, both of them stretched to the very end of the length of that chain, and neither one of them got to the hay. By voting green this time, we will complete that story, where both of those animals came together, ate one bale of hay, then went over 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 and ate the other bale. Please vote green."

"Mr. Stephens, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In explanation of my vote, I would move to... I support the Motion, because I wanted to see how the board lit up, because yesterday, I heard a lot of rhetoric. I saw the Chair use the same book of rules that you're using today to defend your actions and ignore several of the rules about decorum in voting, to sit there and listen to language that you knew was out of order, to accusations that you knew were out of order, and then you turn to the book today in defense of your actions. In explanation of my vote, this gives me a chance to vote for public aid and for jobs for Illinois, and those of you, who yesterday stood up in all your demagoguery and said that you really cared about the people of Illinois, where are you today? You criticize this side of the aisle for following a true leader. I think that you are in need of a leader on your side of the aisle and therefore, I vote 'yes'."

"Mr. Vinson, one minute to explain your vote. The clock is on."

"Mr. Speaker, Mr. real Speaker, a great Democrat, Franklin Roosevelt once understood that you had to have both welfare and jobs. Your vote, your denial of a chance to put those two issues together and vote for them today is something you ought to seriously think about, because you're the person now denying welfare and jobs to the people of Illinois."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who. wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 47 voting 'aye', 64 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the Motion fails, and the ruling of the Chair is not appealed. Mr. Madigan on the question - on the original 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 question."

"Mr. Speaker, once again I will move for the adoption of the Conference Committee Report. We have heard statements from the other side of the aisle to the effect that now, I and the Democrats are responsible for withholding the payment of welfare checks to those who simply cannot survive without those checks. Let's not get wrapped up and wound up in our own rhetoric. Here is the Bill. All you need do is to supply a handful of votes for the Bill now, and the checks can go out within an hour, because I'm sure the Governor would sign this Bill as soon as it arrives in his office. Mr. Speaker, again, I move to adopt the Conference Committee Report."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm really interested in what they're saying on the other side of the aisle. Suddenly, it's the fault of everybody around here that public aid budget isn't passed. For six months, we've had a Majority of Democrats in the Senate, a Majority of Democrats in the House. We've had a Democrat President of the Senate, and a Democrat Speaker of the House. They had 60 votes any time they wanted to pass a Bill on anything. The Bill... The appropriation Bills, if the House had been run orderly and timely, would have been out of here on June the 15th, not July the 5th or 6th or 7th or 8th, because the votes were there. They had... When you have the Majority, you not only have the privilege, but you have the responsibility of running State Government. They have not lived up to that responsibility, and no appropriations are passed for all the things that are needed. And here we sit, on the 5th, and now they're trying to tell us that we're somehow... we're responsible for public aid recipients not having their money on a timely basis. I say that's... that's as 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 phony as a three dollar bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I think maybe it's appropriate to remember what our action on this Motion will do this afternoon. Today, some 32,658 welfare checks were scheduled to be sent. By the end of the afternoon, 91,065 checks will not have been sent. Had they been sent, welfare recipients could have picked them up tomorrow. Let me remind you who those recipients are. Most of them are children. I don't think the children who rely upon us to see to it that there is food on their table, I don't think they care about pork barrel projects in Republican districts. I don't think they care about how we do or do not run this House. What they care about is whether there will be enough food for them to eat. What they care about is whether there will be medical assistance available should it turn out that they break an arm, should it turn out that they need it. The basic responsibility before us today is to see to it that 300,000 people in this state, the vast majority of them children, get their welfare checks tomorrow. They can have those checks in hand tomorrow, but only if we say yes to the Motion to adopt Conference Committee Report 1 to Senate Bill 476."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It would have been very well if consensus could have been reached, if we could have considered these issues and done our constitutional duty and left here, having taken care of the business of the people of the state. It is patently clear, however, that no consensus has been reached, and that's unfortunate, not only for us, but for those thousands of people out there who are depending on our action for their livelihood. Yesterday, in the debate, 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 as the rhetoric got... got heated and as tempers began to flare, there was a lot of discussion about who was holding the poor hostage, and now I think we sit here today, all of us equally responsible for the poor being held hostage to this legislative process. It is a process that was supposed to take us beyond the kind of activity that we've seen in the middle east where people just go forward and throw down the gauntlet and kill each other with no reason, no rationale, no honor about what they do. It's a process that's supposed to serve us so that we can serve others in an honorable fashion. I think that this deadlock is most unfortunate. I think this deadlock is a tragedy. But I think that we, as people of conscience, have a responsibility today to vote to see to it these checks go out, to pass this budget, to, as individual Members elected as individuals, to see to it that this budget passes so that we can move forward with the other business. There is a difference. There is a difference between Build Illinois and feeding Illinois. There is a difference between what we do in the future for economic development in our state and what we do today to feed the poor, and I would just appeal to the Members of this House, if we can set partisan differences aside and set aside the brinksmanship that we've seen going on here today and yesterday and the day before that, and do what we have to do to break this logjam on this one vote, to break the logjam by our own act of conscience in seeing to it that the public aid budget is passed and especially, especially, seeing to it that never again will this chamber be held up to public ridicule by virtue of our crass tying together of the issues of public aid and the welfare of our people and any other issue that comes before us. That is the tragedy here, that we've tied these issues together to begin with. They seem to be 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 inseparable, but I think we have to set a precedent here, a precedent here for future Sessions, that we will never again have the poor held out in front of combatants on other issues. I urge your green vote on Senate Bill 476."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"Public perception, sometimes, for better or worse, is a good part of what we do here. You know, two or three months ago or maybe less, people saw me on the floor of the House speak out for something that I believed in, and that was the cause of injured people and poor people who didn't have access to our judicial system in the debate on medical malpractice, and I believed that, and I believe it now. And I believe, as many of the speakers on the other side of the aisle have said, that the problems of poor people are not only important, but of great importance. But I think it's important for the people of this chamber and the people of the State of Illinois to know that it isn't the Republican Party, and it isn't our 'no' or 'present' votes on this Motion that are the problem. It's the Speaker of this House who, in any one of a number of ways in the past, and now, and in the future, could have solved this problem. It's the Speaker of this House who's preventing those checks from going out. The Speaker of the House could have adopted the same Order of Call that the Senate had. The Speaker of the House could put the votes on Build Illinois. The Speaker of the House could have kept his commitment that the other four actors in the process have kept, and just as important as the Speaker of the House, the acting Speaker could have let us, a few moments ago, vote on three issues that are important to all the people of Illinois at one time. So, don't let anybody leave this chamber today, don't let the media leave today and say that it's us who are punishing the poor. You run the House. The Democratic 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Speaker, Speaker Madigan, runs this process, and if he wanted to do it, and if he wants to do it or if he wants to do it five minutes from now, Mr. Speaker, you can get this whole problem solved. The checks will be on their way, and it won't be anybody... any for the worse. It's you who are doing it, not us. Now, Representative McPike, who... who is, and I hope always will be, a good friend of mine, and several of the other speakers today, in addressing this issue, really, in a lot of ways, very artfully made light of our stress on the other parts of this package, as though, somehow, they didn't have equal significance. He talked about a firehouse here, and somebody else said a Republican pork barrel project here, and so forth. I don't think that's fair, and I think when we discuss this whole issue, we've got to look and see what they were humiliating, what they were denegrating, what they were putting down. We're talking about a small business loan program as part of these other two Bills that would provide food for other families, that would allow little independent businessmen to grow up and meet their... meet their dream in this great society of ours and this free enterprise system of ours. And soil conservation - maybe some of you who represent the City of Chicago, you don't understand that, but for those of us who represents downstate... represent downstate Illinois, that's a vital issue. That's how we feed the world. And those of you who think that that isn't important to us, that that isn't our own analogue to what you're talking about here, don't understand the realities of downstate life and soil conservation. We're talking about technical schools and engineering schools that can provide people who are going to provide a cure for cancer, who are going to build roads and schools and our whole future in the bigger sense of the 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 word. We're talking about, in this program, a new hazardous waste cleanup system, so that people whose homes and lives have been threatened by the problem of toxic waste are going to have an opportunity to have their lives and their homes - again, an analogue to what you're talking about - cleaned up and saved and have a brighter future. We're talking about scientific survey resources so that people at the survey systems can provide new mechanisms for warning against hazardous weather conditions so that people can have their lives and property saved from tornadoes and so forth. We're talking, I'm sure, about roads that provide jobs, that provide an economic future for this state. We're talking about a lot more. We're talking about a supercollider that could have the potential to turn this economy of this state that has lagged in some ways over the course of the progress to the sun belt..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Johnson. Excuse me. Mr. Bowman, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, this is a Motion on a Conference Committee Report regarding the budget of the Department of Public Aid. Now, I'm Chairman of the Appropriations II Committee, and I can absolutely guarantee everybody here on this floor that the superconducting supercollider is not in this Bill. The Gentleman is not speaking to the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Johnson, confine your remarks to the issue at hand. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative Bowman is right. That isn't in this Bill. They didn't give us an opportunity to put it in this Bill on this Motion, so we're consigned with the opportunity to discuss, like Representative Braun and Representative Currie and Representative McPike yesterday, the bigger issue. But I'll accede to his wishes and close with two thoughts. One is, I intend, assuming this Motion 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 fails, acting pursuant to Rule 82 of our House Rules, in Section 10 and various Subsections of Roberts' Rules of Order to call my Motion that was previously out or order... "

"Excuse me. Excuse me. Now you are out of order. No, no. Now, you're discussing what you're... Mr. Johnson, I thought you were calm. Mr. Johnson, I thought you were calm. Now you may address the Motion at hand. We have concluded with the parliamentary issues, and if you will address the Motion and calm down, we will allow you to continue. Proceed, Sir."

"I am calm, Mr. Speaker. I just hope that you'll give me the opportunity, like any other Member of this House, to have my points heard. We were friends before. We'll be friends again, but please be fair. In closing, I would simply say that the Speaker of the House has prevented these checks from going out. We've given you an opportunity. We're going to give you another opportunity, but for right now, we're going to vote 'present'. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The previous speaker tried to make it seem that these issues were combined into some kind of a package, that somehow, the... that sewers and life support for poor people were on the same moral plane, that we had to consider them together or not at all. I would remind everybody in this chamber that the budget for the Department of Public Aid is an annual ritual in this chamber. It is something that we do every year. Indeed, it is something that we must do every year, because the statutes of the State of Illinois command us to fund these programs. The package that the people on the other side of 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 the aisle are trying to prepare, here, contains elements that are novel, that are unique, that this is the first time in the... perhaps in... ever, that we have considered some of these things. They are extras. They are frills, Ladies and Gentlemen, compared to the issues contained in the Motion before us. Now, I... I hope all of us can agree that it is a crime that this Motion has to be considered this late in the Session. It is a crime, but it is not involuntary manslaughter. It is premeditated murder. It is premeditated because the Sponsors of this legislation, the Republican Sponsors, of whom the Minority Leader is one, took this Bill out of the record on several occasions to prevent the Bill from even going to a Conference Committee prior to the June 30th deadline. If we had been able to put this Bill into Conference Committee a week ago, two weeks ago, and we were prepared to do this, and yet they took it out of the record, if we could have got it into a Conference Committee a couple of weeks ago, we could have disposed of this issue in a timely fashion and not had the gun held to our heads. No, strike that. Not had the gun held to the heads of poor people in this state at this time. It was a deliberate attempt orchestrated by the Republican Party starting as long ago as two weeks ago to get us into this posture to put poor people into the posture they are now with a gun to their heads. I think everybody should understand where the locus responsibility lies, why we have come to this pass and why we should pass this Motion now."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn, moves that the main question be put. All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 'ayes' have it and the main question will be put. The question is, 'Shall the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 476?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Ewing, the Gentleman from Livingston, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, today, the vote's much the same, but certainly, the attitude in this chamber is very different. I feel a little bit like the old dog that's alternate days. Once he's kicked, and the next day, he's given candy to try and get him to do what he wants. Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, I'm voting 'present' because we have given you an alternative to do what you want. You have turned it down. I think it's certainly time for Speaker Madigan to take the next move and to move an alternative that will break this deadlock."

"Mr. Levin, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I heard several people on the other side of the aisle refer to a deal which was not followed up on. It was broken. Well, I remember about three nights ago, there was a deal on Build Illinois, and I remember the Minority Leader getting up and talking about how good the deal was, and they voted for the first part of the deal on that side of the aisle, but then, they broke the deal, and they didn't vote for the second part. So who's not voting for deals? Who's not concerned about Build Illinois? But that's not what I heard when I went home today and was in my office, and the calls came in from the people who didn't get their checks, and there was a woman who didn't get her public aid check, and on top of it, she had just had her food stamps stolen. What was she going to do? Well, about all she could do is call Mr. 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Daniels. And then, there's the phone call from the individual who asked me to call his landlord, because he was going to be thrown out because his public aid check didn't come. I think Mr. Daniels ought to call the landlord, and Mr. Daniels ought to be the one to pay the late fees for all the public aid recipients around the state."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Several days ago, the five parties reached an accommodation. The Senate upheld their bargain. The Governor stands ready to do the same. Mr. Daniels stands ready to do the same and to pass this budget, as well as the rest of the budget and Build Illinois. Today, this side has been accused of trying to muddy the waters by putting the three Bills together. However, I think we all know and recognize that the Governor offered this as another way of breaking this logjam so that the public aid checks can go out, as well as people getting jobs and keeping jobs. We have accepted the Governor's suggestion to break this logjam. You have rejected it. When you're ready, we will be ready, and the checks can go out."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Young, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I didn't intend to speak on this issue today because I thought I expressed myself yesterday. I feel exactly today as I did yesterday. But I wanted to just make it clear that I think it's outrageous for the people on the other side of the aisle to tell me that if I want to vote 'yes' on public aid, that I should not be allowed to cast that vote individually and that you're giving us an 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 alternative by allowing us to put public aid with a 378 million spending package. I think every Member of this Body ought to have a right to vote on an individual basis as to whether or not we're going to fund public aid and on an individual basis as to whether or not we have to give 378 million that your Governor did not request. I think it's outrageous and ridiculous, and for you to say you have offered us an alternative, it's an ultimatum. You're saying, 'I know you won't vote 'no' against public aid. You'll probably vote 'no' against 378 million Republican pork, so we want to put them together so you won't have a choice.'"

"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Cowlishaw, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would offer my personal perspective on the vote I have cast today. I am aware of the fact that the central message, among all the lessons of St. Paul, has to do with the corporate quality of humankind, that is, that we're all in it together. It's a sort of, 'for whom the bell tolls - no man is an island' kind of issue. And I would point out to you that there must be a reason beyond my comprehension for the Speaker of the House to insist that one, and only one, appropriations Bill is important. It seems to me that the whole appropriations process is what is truly important, and I see here on the Calendar before me, appropriations Bills for the Human Rights Commission, the Emergency Services and Disaster Agency, the Department of Children and Family Services. It seems to me that all of those Bills are of great importance, just as this one is, and once again, I sincerely have to wonder why the Speaker has chosen this one Bill, and only this one Bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't rise to explain my vote, I rise on a point of confusion. The other night, and Build Illinois contained 1.3 billion dollars in projects, 800 million by the Governor, 500 million by Democrats, it was agreed on. The Republicans on that side of the aisle evidently don't know the Governor, because they weren't included in his 800 million dollars worth of projects, so they humiliated the Governor in the back of the room the other day and decided to put 400 million on their own package on. And today, just a few speakers ago, this was the Governor's suggestion to put these together. I'm confused. Are we... Do we know him, or don't we know him? 1.2 billion total, then, in Republican spending. And Democrats are supposed to be the big spenders. I'm confused. I feel like a piker over here."

"Mr. Hallock, one minute to explain your vote. The Gentleman from Winnebago."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I, too, am kind of baffled, but probably about a different topic. I've heard, for the last couple of days, comments from your side of the aisle asking and pleading us to call the public aid budget and pass it. But we disagreed to do that on the last Motion. We agreed to pass Bills which would provide, in fact, needy assistance and also jobs for people in Illinois. But I'm really baffled, because I don't understand the Democratic logic. I mean, here they are willing to support 3.4 billion dollars on an annual basis, 3.4 billion for public aid, which I guess we should do, and that helps part of the million people in Chicago who need it, and we should do that. But at the same time, they won't... they want to support 3.4 billion on an annual 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 basis, they will not support 1.3 billion on a five year basis for jobs and economic development to help the unemployed in our state. Now, that logic just baffles me, and I think that's a clear message to be delivered here today. We can do both. Let's do them. I urge a 'present' vote until we can do that."

"Mr. Kulas, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is extortion with a capitol E, and the main... head extortionist is sitting in his chair over there, and he's sat there for two days and hasn't said a word. He's extorted the Governor, and now, he wants to extort the poor people of the State of Illinois. Why haven't we heard from him? Don't blame the Democrats. Don't blame the Speaker. Put the blame where it belongs. You made a fool of the Governor, and now you're going to make fools of everyone. Well, Governor, I'm going to apologize for this whole Body for the way you were treated on Tuesday night, because nobody deserves to be treated that way, and I don't think the poor people of the State of Illinois deserve to be treated the way the Republicans are treating them today."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Turner, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I know that lobbyists aren't allowed on this floor, but I consider myself both, both a Legislator and a lobbyist for the poor people of this state who don't have a voice, who cannot afford to pay to have a lobbyist here to tell you their viewpoint. I am asking you and urging you that you vote to pass the public aid Bill out of this Assembly today, and that we continue with our political bickering, but not on the backs of poor people of this state. I've heard everybody say that, oh the poor public 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 aid... they don't want... they think that what we're doing here is wrong, and I'm asking you today, lobbying you for future legislation, that next... that as we come back and prepare to deal with Bills in the future, that a Bill be put in place, that public aid be continually funded regardless to how we decide what we're going to do on June 30th. And I'm lobbying you now to free the public aid... those people in this state who are depending upon public aid, but more importantly, because the political finagling is going to continue, that this General Assembly deals with poor people, and let's not involve them in the political bickering that we continue and... continue on. So I ask you not only to give us a vote today, but to help the poor people of this state stay out of the pork fights and all of the other political carrying on, because they don't have any... they don't know what's going on, here, just as many of us are not sure what's going on on this floor. But we're going to hold firm with our green lights, here. We asked the Members on the other side, those of you who keep saying that you're sympathetic, and you go along, and you don't think that the poor people should be held hostage, to give them the extra six votes at this particular time and to support future legislation so that this does not happen again."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 65 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 47 voting 'present', and the House does... and the Motion to adopt Conference Committee #1 fails. On the Motion, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I have filed a Motion. Would the Clerk read the Motion?"

"Mr. Clerk." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"I move to postpone the consideration of the attached Bills on the Order set forth until October 16, 1985: House Bills 66, 137, 431, 567, 655, 692, 703, 720, 993, 1188, 1279, 1285, 1500, 1769, 1918, 1921, 1977, 2232 and 2418; Senate Bills 448, 537, 830, 847, 879, 1004, 1095, 1152, 1287 and 1379. Signed by M.J. Madigan."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, on the Motion. Excuse me? Yes, Mr. McCracken, for a point of order."

"Two Points, Mr. Speaker. First, Representative Johnson's Motion has precedence pursuant to Roberts' Rules of Order. Second, the Gentleman's Motion is out of order, because some of the Bills he refers to do not appear on any Calendars. And I call your attention specifically to House Bill 655 which, in direct violation of Rule 79(c), has not been reported on any Calendar, Supplemental or Regular, even though it's been passed by the Senate, even though the message has been transmitted to the Clerk, even though Rule 79(c) requires mandatorily that that Bill so appear. It appears nowhere on any Calendar, and I didn't catch all of the Bills in question, but at least a few others of those do not appear on any Calendar anywhere. The Gentleman's Motion, for both reasons, is out of order. I'd like a ruling relative to Representative Johnson's previously put Motion and my Motion."

"Mr. McCracken, if the Chair understands your objection, first let me tell you that Mr. Madigan's Motion is a Motion to postpone and accordingly, has precedence over any of the Motions that might otherwise be put. That is the question on that issue. And on the... As far... And that would be accordance with individual... description of classes in individual order and precedence of Motions as it appears in Roberts' Rules of Order. Insofar as the other 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 question is concerned, the Bill is within the House, and there would be nothing that would stop us from dealing with it on a Motion. Mr. Johnson, for what purpose do you seek recognition? For what purpose, Mr. Johnson? A point of order. Proceed, Sir."

"Who controls that electrician, by the way? Every time I get to a point that I want to make that you don't want me to make, somehow, it magically shuts off."

"Proceed, Mr. Johnson."

"My point is this: Rule 82, as I've previously stated, as I think you agree, makes - and I think you've acknowledged that in your ruling - makes Roberts' Rules of Order, newly revised, governing of the House in all matters where they are applicable, and in all matters where they are not otherwise in conflict with the Rules of the 84th General Assembly. Then, I want to call your attention specifically, and I want you to rule on this specific point of order, that my Motion that I filed and that we discussed earlier, a consolidated Roll Call is in order, for this reason, and that is this, pages 95 and 96... "

"Excuse me, Mr. Johnson. We are not addressing your Motion. Your Motion has not been called. The Chair has not recognized you for your Motion. You have filed a Motion, indeed you have, as have others. You have, several times in debate, referred to your Motion, but that's not filing it, Mr... Mr. Johnson. We are on Mr. Madigan's Motion. He has made a Motion to postpone.... Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson, please. Mr. electrician, leave Mr. Johnson on. We expect Mr. Johnson to conduct himself in a courteous way. Now, Mr. Madigan has filed a Motion to postpone. It is a subsidiary Motion which has precedence, in accordance with Roberts' Rules of Order. The Chair is making that holding. Your Motion is not before the Body. 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Now, Mr. Johnson, did you wish to respond? Excuse me, Clerk for a Calendar announcement. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk."

"Supplemental Calendar #3 is being distributed."

"Mr. Johnson. Excuse me, Mr... Now, Mr. Johnson."

"I'll withhold my specific comments on this specific rule until Representative Vinson talks, and I'd like to yield my time to Representative Vinson."

"The Gentleman from... Well, let's see. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I am advised that not only Mr. Madigan but... and now this entire chamber should be advised that in the event that Mr. Madigan's Motion is considered and in the event that Mr. Madigan's Motion should pass this House, the Governor will issue a proclamation immediately calling this General Assembly back into Session at 10:00 tomorrow with these specific Bills on the call... on his Motion."

"Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, a question. Was that... Mr. Vinson, was that a point of order you were rising to now?"

"I am just... No. It is debate on... "

"... Mr. McCracken."

"Point of Order, Mr. Speaker, relative to your ruling on my Motion. Now, we see the Supplemental Calendar appear with some of these Bills put on the Order of Business. Now and only now, does the Gentleman's Motion comport with the rules. But since July 3rd, House Bill 655 has been available for publication on the Calendar. Since July 3rd, we've had the opportunity, or should have had the opportunity, to have these called for a vote."

"Make your point concisely and briefly, Sir."

"And only in the context of a Motion to Postpone 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Consideration do we see these Bills come alive."

"Alright. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Well, I'd just like to say, we've got... records are made to be broken. We've got a new one. That's the first time it took three days for a Senate Message to get on the Calendar, and I'm happy it finally got here, but I challenge anybody else to show one that took longer."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry, and actually, a request. I went up to the well to see if I could get a copy of the Bills that we're postponing. They were read rather rapidly. They say that isn't available. I had asked earlier for a very personal little Bill that I have for a Senator, if it could be postponed. I don't believe that it was read in the list, and I'm wondering, well... Now I have the list, and I'm certain, Mr. Speaker..."

"1152. Wasn't that the question? Yes. Right there."

"Yes. Yes. 1152. I thank you, but you know, I'm... My request is that we have a chance to look at this list. We know that you can gavel this through. You have proven that today. You've proven it on many days. But certainly, the fairness that you all indicate that you have on your side would give us a few moments to review this list."

"Of course. Of course, Mr. Ewing, you may certainly have an opportunity to examine the list, and while you are examining it, we will call on Mr. Piel. Is this... Mr. Piel, now, Mr. Madigan has put the Motion to postpone. There have been several points of order. Mr. Piel, are you on the Motion? On the Motion, Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. According to our rules, first of all, we cannot 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 act on anything that's on a Supplemental Calendar until the Calendar's been on our desk for an hour. It was just put on our desk, and as I recall, it was about five minutes ago that it was announced. Second thing - You know, I would like the Chair to sort of answer. I mean, the question's been brought up a couple of times, Mr. Speaker, in reference to the one Bill that's on the Calendar. This is the first day that this thing has finally... 655 has finally appeared on the Calendar. This is something that is very serious. Today, it might be one Bill. Tomorrow, it might be somebody else's Bill or somebody else's Bill. You know, where it's arbitrary where the Speakers... you know, I don't like that Bill or I don't like this Bill, so we're going to hold in our back offices underneath a bunch of papers for two, three, four days until we decide to put it in on the Calendar. Oh, fine, and everybody's looking at it as a political gesture right now, but Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, what happens to one individual today can happen to you tomorrow. If you don't have... If you have a Bill that the Speaker doesn't like, look out. It might come over from the Senate and be lost. And I can't believe that the Chair is making such light out of these proceedings, Mr. Speaker, and you know, if it's not something that you don't like, you sort of smile and shrug it off and say, 'Relax.' But this is something where you are trampling on the rights of the other Members of this House, both Democrat and Republican, and it should not happen. This House should be run in an orderly way so we can get finished with the business of the people of the State of Illinois, but if we have to stay here Saturday, Sunday, or even Monday, Mr. Speaker, we will stay here even Monday."

"Mr. Davis." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Aloha... Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, Mr. Davis?"

"Mr. Speaker, I have an inquiry. I did not quite hear Speaker Madigan's Motion. I heard the Bills, and I tried to jot them down. I understand there's a list in front of us. What time did... What time certain did he indicate he wished to put these over to? I'm sorry. I can't hear you. I'll just ask the Chair. I don't wish to bother Speaker Madigan. He's in a Conference."

"Well, you'll have to ask me, then, I suppose."

"Well, I will. I'll ask you, then."

"What can I... What can I do for you?"

"Was it... Was it October 16th? Someone standing... Representative Cullerton..."

"Yes, it was October the 16th. Yes."

"Well, let me suggest to the Body that every single Bill on that list in the budget will be back in here tomorrow morning at 10:00 because the Governor's going to call a Special Session to have them in here, and we'll be sitting here discussing the entire budget for as long as it takes. Aloha, Speaker."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal privilege. And to correct the record for all of you, and I don't know this for a fact, but I have been told that one of your Members in your Caucus stated that I was leaving for Hawaii on Monday. And just to clarify the record, I have no plans at all ever to go to Hawaii. So, let the record reflect that."

"There goes the Hawaiian vote. Further discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, excuse me. You spoke on this. Mr. McCracken."

"Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Yes, Mr. McCracken."

"Pursuant to what rule is the Motion made?"

"Roberts' Rules of Order. It's a... It's a subsidiary Motion to postpone. Quite appropriate under the rules. We did it on some other Order of Business recently."

"Roberts' Rules applies only when our rules don't... and our rules..."

"Mr. Madigan. And our... And our rules provide that. Mr. Madigan."

"And our rules provide..."

"Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker... Mr. Speaker. Mr. McCracken, give us all about ten seconds, then he can rest for awhile. So, I have been requested by the Governor to come to his office to discuss this matter. For the full understanding of the Membership, this Motion would take the two Build Illinois appropriation Bills and set them for hearing on the Fall Calendar. And in my judgment, the adoption of this Motion would eliminate further consideration of the appropriation for Build Illinois and permit us to proceed to consider the Governor's Budget as given to us by Mr. Thompson. He has asked me to come to his office with Mr. Daniels to discuss the situation. In my judgment, we should accede to the request of the Governor, but we can just simply stand at ease, because if there is no resolution of the impasse, we shall return to the floor, and we shall consider this Motion, and my judgment is, the Motion will be adopted. So, Mr. Speaker, if we could simply stand at ease."

"Mr. Madigan, it is the intention of the Chair to stand at ease with the proviso that when we return from standing at ease, we will be on this Order of Business in precisely the same position and posture. And on that, the 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 House will stand at ease until such time as the Chair calls... at the call of the Chair."

"Supplemental Calendar #4 is being distributed."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, there's no need for excitement immediately. This is just to announce to those over in their offices that they should start to come over to the floor, because we'll be ready to begin in about 10 minutes. So again, for those in their offices, you should begin to come over to the House chamber. The House shall come to order. The Chair recognizes Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have a 45 minute recess for the purpose of a Republican Conference in Room 118 immediately."

"Mr. Friedrich, do you think we could do it in half an hour?"

"I... Well, we have a lot of people on our side of the aisle who want to express their opinion. I'll try it."

"Thank you. Mr. Giglio."

"Mr. Speaker, the Democrats would like to caucus immediately."

"Alright, so all Members will go to their respective Caucuses. Let's try to do it in one half hour. Thank you. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. The Chair would like to recognize the presence of the state's two leading citizens, Governor James and Jayne Thompson. Welcome. First Bill to be called will be Senate Bill 448 on Supplemental Calendar #3. That Bill shall be taken together with Senate Bill 1095 on Supplemental Calendar #3 and Senate Bill 476 on Supplemental Calendar #1. Those Bills shall be taken together on one Roll Call. The Chair recognizes Mr. McPike. Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker." 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Mr. McPike, we have called for the consideration of three Bills together - Senate Bill 448, Senate Bill 1095, Senate Bill 476, these Bills to be taken on one Roll Call."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the... I presume these are all on Conference Committees, and I presume that this is all Conference Committee Report #1 on all three, Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. McPike, relative to Senate Bill 448, I believe that the Motion will be to adopt the First Conference Committee Report. The same would apply to Senate Bill 1095 and Senate Bill 476. Mr. McPike."

"Thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen. I move to adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 448, Senate Bill 1095 and Senate Bill 476. These include the public aid budget that we've debated for the last two days, and they include substantive language which is cleanup language for the Build Illinois program that we passed the other night. During the process of putting together the substantive language in order to cut 500 million dollars out of the Governor's original proposal, we had to strike various language for broad categories that would authorize him to spend money in areas like coal conversion, for scrubbers, for soil conservation, for wildlife habitat development and various others. We want to put that substantive language back in the authorization Bill, so that if in this fiscal year or in future fiscal years, if we appropriate line item monies for those purposes, the Governor will have the authority to spend it. That, together with the public aid budget, I would move for the adoption of these Reports."

"Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 103 'aye', 1 voting 'no'. These Reports, having received an Extraordinary Constitutional Majority, are adopted, and the Bills are hereby declared passed. The next matter will be Special Call, Appropriations, Human Services. The Clerk will read the Bills. Mr. Clerk, are you able to read the page number that these Bills appear on the Calendar as you read the Bills? That's the number on the left side, so read that also. The Clerk shall read the Bills on this Special Order of Call, Appropriations. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 559 on Calendar page four; House Bill 660, page four; 661, on page four; 663, on page four; 664, on page four; 672, on page five; 679, on page five; 683, on page five; and Senate Bill 483, on page seven."

"On that Order, the Chair recognizes Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Order of Call, House Bill 659, is the appropriation for the Human Rights Commission. The amount is $726,000. House Bill 660, the appropriation for the Department of Human Rights, an appropriation of $3,947,800. Senate Bill 661, the appropriation for the Medical Center Commission, an appropriation of $1,792,100. House Bill 663, the appropriation for the Emergency Services and Disaster Agency, an appropriation of $26,658,200. House Bill 664, the appropriation for the Department of Children and Family Services, an appropriation of $256,193,600. House Bill 672, the appropriation for the Department of Public Health, an appropriation of $185,674,800. House Bill 679, the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities and also the Department of Guardianship and Advocacy, an 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 appropriation of $679,705,900. House Bill 683, the Historical Library, an appropriation of $10,353,800. House Bill 483, the Governor's Purchase Care Review Board, an appropriation of $149,218,800. Be happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman moves that those Bills pass. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Chair recognizes Mr. Anthony Young to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In... the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 664, which is the budget for the Department of Children and Family Service, there is an appropriation in the sum of $500,000 for the establishment of a model demonstration project for sex offenders. For the purposes of legislative intent, I'd like the record to clearly show that Senate Bill 1262 was rejected by this House when it failed on the Consent Calendar. And I believe this House shows that it rejected the use of the drug known as depo-provera. And I'd like the record to reflect that even though we are in support of the budget and we're in support of the program, we are in opposition to the drug depo-provera and its use."

"Mr. Dwight Friedrich, to explain his vote."

"We eliminated the appropriation for guardianship and advocacy when it came through here, and the Senate and the Conference Committee for some reason, put it back in. I have no choice now but to vote for this Roll Call, but I will tell you that I will be appealing to the Governor to reduce that appropriation so that this Commission will no longer be a nuisance to the people of the State of Illinois." 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 106 'ayes', 3 voting 'no'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared... Mr. Vitek."

"Please show that my switch wasn't working. I intend to vote 'aye' on this Bill."

"So, let the record show that Mr. Vitek is recorded as 'aye'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 567. The Chair recognizes Mr. Daniels. This matter is on page four of the regular Calendar and it would be a Motion to adopt the Conference Committee Report."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to adopt Conference Committee Report on House Bill 667 which is the IHDA funding... 567. It's got the wrong number up there, Tony. Stay alert, Tony. Which is the IHDA appropriation. The original Bill raised the Illinois Housing Development Authority's bond authorization by $1,000,000,000. And I would ask for a favorable approval of First Conference Committee Report on 567."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 83 'ayes', 20 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 830. The Chair recognizes Mr. Tate. This Bill appears on page seven of the regular Calendar. Mr. Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Senate Bill 830 amends the Civil Administrative Code to authorize the Department of Conservation to assess fees for the use of facilities under the jurisdiction of the Department and to permit the Department to develop and operate public accommodations and service facilities on land under this jurisdiction and to permit the Department to offer cash incentives not exceeding 35% of the total documented cost of qualified bidders for the development of any concession complex. I move for its adoption."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 100 'ayes' 6 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Order shall be Appropriations Order II - State Government, Regulation and Revenue. The Clerk shall read the Bills on this Order of Call along with the page on the Calendar where these Bills appear."

"House Bills 652, on page four; 653, on page four; 657, on page four; 666, on page four; 668, on page four; 669, on page four; 670, on page four; and 674, on page five. Senate Bills 452, on page five; 454, on page five; and 459, on page six."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt the Conference Committee Reports on the following Bills. House Bill 652, Prison Review Board, $816,700. House Bill 653, Local Government Law Enforcement Officers Training Board, $7,203,400. House Bill 657, Educational Labor Relations Board, $1,302,952. House Bill 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 666, Illinois Commerce Commission, $14,526,800. House Bill 668, Department of Revenue, $1,738,646,700. House Bill 669, Local and State Labor Relations Board, $2,128,000. House Bill 670, Illinois Racing Board, $7,144,400. House Bill 674, Department of Energy and Natural Resources, $79,925,800. Department of Conservation, $107,711,600. Senate Bill 452, Capital Development Board, $5,128,100. Senate Bill 454, Lieutenant Governor, $1,592,600. Senate Bill 459, the Environmental Protection Trust Fund Commission, $850,000."

"Those in favor of the passage of those Bills will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Brunsvold, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that I would have voted 'no' on Department of Conservation budget."

"Let the record so reflect. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 102 'ayes', 6 voting 'no'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 2418. Representative Daniels. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #3. Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2418 amends the Illinois Coal and Energy Development Bond Act to require that $2,000,000 of the bond already authorized shall be used to develop alternative forms of energy. I move the adoption of Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 2418."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', 2 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 692. Mr. Cullerton, this matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4. Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that we adopt Conference Committee #1. One second please. Could you come back to it, Mr. Speaker? I'm sorry, I have it. This Conference Committee would allow municipalities to serve notice of multiple like violations of any ordinance in nonjailable cases in one certified mailing and would require the Secretary of State to pull the drivers license of anyone upon certification that has failed for 30 days to satisfy any final civil judgment arising from failure to pay 20 or more parking violations."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Mautino, to explain his vote."

"Thank you. I did have my light on to ask a question. My analysis of 692 also provides for a suspension for two or more warrants outstanding. Is that correct?"

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Could you repeat the question, please?"

"On page two of the Section, line five, that Section, there are two or more warrants outstanding. An individual would lose their drivers license - be suspended without a hearing on the drivers license or permit for that person."

"That's current law. The new language refers to 20 or more outstanding warrants."

"Mr. Vinson, to explain his vote." 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 3, 1985

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, with the change to 20 warrants, I think this becomes a reasonable Bill. I would ask you to reconsider this matter and to put green votes up on this Bill, because I believe that it's an essential part of the process."

"Mr. Mays, to explain his vote."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know the Secretary of State's Office has worked with the Sponsor of this measure to try to get language that's acceptable to him. I believe that this Report reflects and embodies that language. I believe it's a program that can be administered properly. I would urge its support."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this... Mr. Clerk, leave the score board open, please. Alright, the record has been taken, but this Roll Call shall be dumped. Once again, those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? This matter will require 71 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 74 'ayes', 33 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Order shall be Appropriations Special Order #3 - Public, Safety, Regulation and Licensure. The Clerk shall read the Bills on this Order of Call along with the pages where the Bills appear on the Regular Calendar. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1097, on page #5. Senate Bill 403, on page #5; 460, on page #6; 461, on page #6; 464, on page #6; 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 468, on page #6; 470, on page #6; 473, on page #6; 475, on page #6; 480, on page #6; and 481, on page #6."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt the following Bills in Conference Report: Senate Bill 403, Court of Claims Award, $5,630,739; Senate Bill 460, the Industrial Commission, $5,715,100; Senate Bill 461, Court of Claims, $5,617,100; Senate Bill 464, Department of Registration and Education, $10,034,700; Senate Bill 468, the Department of Agriculture, $46,546,200; Senate Bill 470, the Fire Marshall, $6,176,000; Senate Bill 473, Department of Nuclear Safety, $14,092,900; Senate Bill 475, Bureau of the Budget, $12,613,200; Senate Bill 480, Department of Corrections, $398,454,800; Senate Bill 481, Department of Law Enforcement, $138,916,700; Senate (sic - House) Bill 1097, Supreme Court, $129,260,600."

"Have you finished?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"Question of the Sponsor, please."

"Question of... The Sponsor indicates she will yield."

"Representative Barnes, the... you mentioned the Supreme Court, how much is the Supreme Court budget this year above and beyond what it was last year or is it below, probably?"

"Well, as it was introduced, it was $127,804.9. As it passed the House, it was $127,804.9. As it passed the Senate, it was $126,211.8. The Conference Committee is a $129,260.6."

"So, what does that mean? What is the answer to my question?" 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"That means the difference between 27... about $12,000."

"Above last year's?"

"That is correct."

"What does that go for? Where is it at?"

"Just one minute and I'll get back to you. Part of that includes the Judges' pay raises and then the entire court system."

"I beg your pardon, the Judges' pay raises?"

"Yes, Mr. Mulcahey."

"How much were the Judges' pay raises?"

"I'm really not the Sponsor of the Bill. I can see why they gave it to me."

"Mr. Leverenz."

"The..."

"Mr. Leverenz will answer the question."

"The Bill was about 20% increased over the previous year. The bulk of the 20%, if not all of it, is consumed with the new probation services division that we put in there for two million, three, six, one. I would ask for your 'aye' vote to pass the Bill or adopt the Conference Committee Report."

"The Chair recognizes the Clerk for a Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental #5, that House Calendar is now being distributed."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a pay raise for the Judges in there. Is that correct? What... How much... What kind of a pay raise are they getting this year?"

"6 1/2% is the personal services increase."

"I see. Alright, the Department of Agriculture, for example, what kind of a... how is that budget compared to... to last year's?" 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Good."

"Representative Barnes."

"Representative Barnes."

"The Agriculture budget is up 3.2%. I think it is better than good, Representative Mulcahey."

"Thank you very much. Any pay raises involved in the Department of Agriculture? Does that remain pretty much the same as it was last year?"

"Just the same as for the rest of the state employees..."

"Okay, and the series of Bills that you alluded to that we're going to vote on in one lump sum, the only pay raises involved, of course, are for the Judges of the Supreme Court. Is that correct?"

"No, all the state employees."

"Oh, state... Alright, the state employees. Is that correct?"

"They get a... Yes, Representative Mulcahey."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"No, I don't think it's necessary. It's a good Bill."

"Those in favor of the passage of these Bills will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Make sure the Clerk records Mr. Mulcahey as 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 110 'aye', no one voting 'no'. These Bills, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, are hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1857, Mr. Daniels. This appears on page three of the regular Calendar. Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1857 creates the Water Commission Act of 1985. It 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 provides funding mechanism for that Water Commission, and I would ask for your favorable support and adoption of this Bill."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, I wholeheartedly support this fine Bill. Been waiting to vote for it all Session."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will... Mr. Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"The water... What Act was that, Representative Daniels?"

"Water Commission Act of 1985."

"Where does that affect? Does that affect the entire state, is that the idea?"

"It affects Cook County and DuPage County."

"DuPage County. Could you elaborate a little more on that? How does it affect DuPage County?"

"Yes. Let me tell you. I'm happy you asked that question because I've been waiting all Session to tell you the story. Lake Michigan has too much water in it and we want to drain some of that water down through Cook County into DuPage. And in so doing, we intend to buy our water from Cook County and spend about $30,000,000 a year to the citizens of Chicago to assist in their revenue projects. So, that's why Chicago is really very interested in the sale because we'll spend about $30,000,000 a year."

"Oh, well, that's not too... I thought it was about $17,000,000. So that's... Okay. Well... Thank you."

"Mr. O'Connell."

"A question of the Sponsor."

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Representative Daniels, portions of DuPage County are already receiving Lake Michigan water, specifically, I refer to the Village of Burr Ridge. Will the property tax apply to the Village of Burr Ridge?"

"No. No. All worked out with them. Mayor... is absolutely delighted and endorses this legislation."

"So there is no double taxation for the Village of Burr Ridge?"

"Correct. My brother lives in Burr Ridge. We wouldn't allow that to happen."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Daniels moves that the House do concur in the Senate Amendment. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 95 'ayes', 12 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 694. This appears on page five of the Supplemental Calendar. The Chair recognizes Mr. Saltsman for a Motion. Mr. Saltsman."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker). Voting on the prevailing side on the Conference Committee Report which lost on 694, I vote for reconsideration of the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Motion say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted. Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt Conference Committee #1 on House Bill 694. This is a Bill which we've voted on more than once before which appropriates funds. Allows for the appropriation of funds to the County of Cook to reimburse them for the cost of the State's Attorney's Office in the 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Appellate Section. Appreciate your favorable support."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, after... reflecting on Mr. Cullerton's arbitrary in the subject for the full Session, I now decided that this is, in fact, an essential part of the process and would urge an 'aye' vote on the Bill."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 74 'aye', 35 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority... Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1070, Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Conference Committee Report #1 on House Bill 1070 is the FY '86 state appropriation to Elementary and Secondary Education, amounting to $2,612,000,000.4. This is 386.2 million dollars over FY '85 estimated expenditures. The highlights are the reform programs which we haven't passed in this Session reflecting the substantive reform amounting to 99.3 million dollars. State aid is funded at $200,000,000 over FY '85 expenditures. Teacher's retirement is at the 60% payout level or $32,000,000 over FY '85 expenditures. And mandated categoricals, which are funded at 100%, are funded at 29.8 million over FY '85 expenditures. I would like to compliment all of those who worked on education reform and none the least of which was Dick Mulcahey. In fact, Dick, if it were up to me, you'd get a salary increase for all the hard work you've done. But I think they did an 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 outstanding job. And Illinois now, I believe, is at the forefront in education reform in providing quality education. I move the adoption of the Conference Committee Report #1 on House Bill 1070 and appreciate your support."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker."

"Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative Matijevich, I understand we've had a great deal of discussion throughout the state in the last two years regarding the mythical 51% funding. It's my understanding now, with this appropriation, we shall approach approximately 45% of that 51. Is that correct?"

"I believe that's correct, Dick."

"Thank you very much. I think it's a great Bill. We should all vote 'aye'."

"I'm with... I'm with you, Dick."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? This is for education everybody. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 111 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared. Mr. Vinson."

"There is just no telling, Mr. Speaker, when these red heads will turn pleasant."

"The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 453, Representative Barnes. Senate Bill 453, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 453 appropriates $224,226,400 to the Capital Development Board for new capital projects. And I would move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report." 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 102 'ayes', 7 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 458, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 458 appropriates $262,119,700 for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency. And I would move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report."

"Mr. Flinn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be recorded... well, I'll punch myself as 'no', but I'd like to explain why first. This Bill provides that the Transportation Department lose $16,000,000 to the Environmental Protection Agency for the auto, maintenance, and inspection cost. It's nothing but blackmail highway robbery from the federal government forcing us to spend money of all the people of the State of Illinois for two areas of the state. And I think it's a terrible crime that we, in the State of Illinois, can't control our own destiny. This is money that we pay in taxes, and I think it's very unnecessary to begin with, but besides that point, I don't think we should cave into the Federal Government anymore. And I'm going to vote 'no'."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 this question there are 83 'ayes', 23 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 467, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 467 appropriates $492,636,700 for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, and I would move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', 4 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 472, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 472 appropriates $1,931,447,759 for the Department of Transportation's budget. It also includes $3,794,000 for the Department of Labor's budget. And I move do adopt on the Conference Committee Report."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? This is transportation everybody. This is for Secretary 'Baiz'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', 4 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be Senate Bill 552, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to adopt the First Conference 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Committee Report for the Legislative Support Agency's budget, the total is $10,289,366. I would ask for your green vote to adopt the Report."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 98 'ayes', 13 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be Senate Bill 134. Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Here is the one that I would hope you would put me in the Century Club with. I move to adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 134 and request your 'aye' vote so we can get to the Second Conference Committee Report. No?"

"I believe your, Mr. Leverenz, I believe that your Motion is do not adopt."

"I'll go for that."

"Fine. The Gentleman moves that the..."

"...Now?"

"The Gentleman moves that the House do not adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 134. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The House does not adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 134 and requests the appointment of a Second Conference Committee. The next Bill shall be House Bill 769 (sic - 1769). Mr. Giorgi, this matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4."

"Mr. Speaker, Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 769 (sic - 1769) provides for the governing board of 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 the Fox Valley Airport Authority which allows the four mayors to appoint members, the Mayor of St. Charles, Geneva... and West Chicago and five members be appointed by the DuPage County Board Chairman. And the other part of the Bill has to do with the... And I urge the support of the Assembly of this Bill."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all... Mr. Vinson, to explain his vote."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this Bill is a good Bill and a most important Bill. And I would urge all Members to vote for this most essential part of the process."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Mr. Cullerton. On this question there are 76 'ayes', 27 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 720. Mr. Greiman. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #5. The Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson for a Motion."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, on a previous occasion when tempers were foul, I believe we made a mistake. And I would move that this House reconsider the vote by which the concurrence on House Bill 720 failed."

"The Gentleman moves to reconsider the vote. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The vote by which this matter failed has been reconsidered. Mr. Greiman."

"Thank you, Speaker. I would move that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2. The underlying Bill is the citizen's assembly. The Amendments provide for additional leadership for the Senate only, and appropriate level of 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 compensation for the leaders through the Amendment. I would move for its concurrence."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Cullerton, to explain his vote."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I was the one that made the Motion the other night when we talked about some of the fine leaders in the Senate that this would affect, including Senator Geo-Karis, the first woman leader on the Republican side in the Senate, I believe, and also, we talked about the substantive Bill itself, the men in the Commission Reorganization Act. We had great debate concerning the councils that were affected, including the Council on Children, Economic Development, Energy Resources, Mental Health, Developmental Disabilities, Public Aid, school problems and the Council on Women... by concurring with these Motions also be passing the Bill. I believe for that reason it would be worthwhile to support the Motion."

"Mr. Hoffman, to explain his vote."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill includes a number of, I think, very significant items. Gives us an opportunity for... in seven of the major areas, input from citizens outside the process although the advisory committees will be Members of the Legislature, plus members appointed by the respective leaders. You noticed that there are some 'present' votes on the board. Some of those 'present' votes are there because of... those individuals are directly and personally affected by the Amendment on this Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think those people in the leadership that 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 would have a small - miniscule, if you will - increase in their compensation are very deserving. And I would ask Members of the House who have voted or who have not supported the Bill at this present time, to join with me and the sixty other Members of the House to recognize the work and the effort of Members of the Body who are directly affected by this as well as recognizing the importance and significance of the various specific items addressed by the citizens' advisory council. And I would like to ask, well in fact, I would like to ask nine more people to join with those... about eight more people to join with those of us who are presently on the board and see the wisdom of the Majority as we move forward in this decade of progress into moving closer every day and every minute to the next century. And we want to have these people with us and we like to have those commissions with those particular issues represented. We're going the wrong way. I'll conclude my comments on that and ask you to either use your good judgment or otherwise... and put the votes on the board."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? We need four more. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Davis, to explain his vote."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I don't think anybody in this chamber would want to face either of the Senators that are involved in this Bill."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 71 'ayes', 35 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1285, Mr. Olson. This appears on page five of the Calendar."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 House. House Bill 1285 is an initiative which amends the Administrative Procedures Act, and it permits the state agency to submit an agenda of rules that is considering proposing to the Illinois Register. The effect of Senate Amendment #1 was to add elements of a provision asked for by the State Fire Marshall which suggests that they'll conduct a hearing in accordance with the IAPA upon receiving appeal from the order of the Deputy of the Office of the State Fire Marshall. I would move for the adoption of Concurrence Report #1 on House Bill 1285."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 110 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 1279, Mr. McPike. This Bill appears on page five of the Regular Calendar. Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 1279, the RTA vehicle Bill that Jack Davidson and I worked on, provides very small changes for both downstate and the RTA. It allows demonstration programs that will not count against the fare box recovery. It allows for a security force grant from the RTA to the three various factors. That will not count against fare box recovery. And it provides the grants to the RTA for service to the disabled. I move the adoption of the Conference Committee Report."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 80 'ayes', 28 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 431, Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me..."

"Mr. Ropp, excuse me. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4. Mr. Ropp."

"I want to commend you and the Minority Leader and the Governor for working out such an outstanding arrangement. It seems like things are moving along quite well. House Bill 431 is a Bill that the Conference Committee Report has come back, and we want to concur with Conference Committee Report #1 which means that we recommend the House concur with Senate Amendment 1. The essence of the Bill is initially to add two additional members of the State Fair Advisory Board and in addition to it, the Senate Amendment states that the one county in the state, namely, DuPage shall take over their DuPage County Fair. And I move for acceptance of this House Bill 431... Conference Committee 1."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 78 'ayes', 28 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 847, Mr. Saltsman. This matter appears on page seven of the regular Calendar. Mr. Saltsman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to adopt Conference Committee Report 2 to Senate Bill 847. The House recedes from House Amendment 4 which concerns financing to county 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 jails and courthouses. The Bill is further amended as follows: Language originally contained in Senate Bill 846 concerning eligible investments which the authority may engage in is added; and the Authority's infrastructure assistance program is amended to delete the provisions concerning creation and the evaluation committee as well as a limitation on the size or a unit of government which may participate in a program. I ask for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves to adopt the Conference Committee Report. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 101 'aye', 9 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next order shall be Appropriations Special Order #11, State Government Administration. The Chair recognizes Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 651. And with that concurrence, $1,206,900 will be appropriated for the Savings and Loan Commission budget. Should I go right down the line?"

"Yes, please."

"House Bill 656, I move to concur in Amendment #1 and with that concurrence, $1,184,921 will be appropriated to the Pollution Control Board. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 665 (sic - 656) and with that concurrence $8,567,000 will be appropriated to the Military and Naval Department. I move to concur in Amendment #1 with House Bill 667 and with that concurrence, $1,089,700 will be appropriated for the Illinois Liquor Control Commission. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 671 and with 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 that concurrence, $791,800 will be appropriated to the Property Tax Appeal Board. That's $791,800. I move to concur in Amendment #2 to House Bill 673 and with that concurrence, $195,561,800 will be appropriated to the Department of Employment Security. I move to concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 676 and with that concurrence, we will appropriate $12,443,900 to the General Assembly Retirement System. We will appropriate $2,386,600 for the Judges' Retirement System. It will be $10,057,300. I move to concur in Amendments #1,2,3,4 and 5 to House Bill 678 and with that concurrence, we will appropriate $139,640,600 to the Department of Rehabilitation Services."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. With regard to the appropriation for the retirement system, I would like to express... I intend to vote for these Bills as presented to the General Assembly. But with regard to the retirement system Bills, I will vote for those with... understanding and the reservation that the retirement systems have indicated they will study the riskiness of their investments in South Africa and that with that reservation and on the conditions that they will look at the issue of the investments in South Africa and the damage that those investments due to the funds, I will vote for that appropriation."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Motions for concurrence will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', 1 person voting 'no'. These Motions having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bills are declared passed. The next Bill will be House Bill 1500. 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Mr. Keane. This appears on page three of the regular Calendar."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1500 amends the State Auditing Act. It's a multiple audit provision. The Senate amended it by providing for audits of public funds of county officials as soon as possible after leaving office. And we clarify that in terms of legislative intent to say that the county... to point out that the county auditor is qualified to perform such an audit. I would ask for concurrence with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1500."

"Those in favor of the Motion for concurrence will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 111 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Motion having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bill is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 2232, Mr. Parke."

"Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move for concurrence of Senate Amendment #1 and #2 to House Bill 2232."

"Those in... Representative Hawkinson."

"Will the Sponsor yield for one question?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Yes?"

"What would the effective date be on the Senate Amendment regarding the appointment of Superintendent of Schools?"

"At this point, I do not have an answer for your question."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 93 'ayes', 12 voting 'no'. This Motion having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bill is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1924. Mr. Stephens. This appears on Supplemental Calendar #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move for concurrence on Senate Amendments #1, #2 and #3 on House Bill 1924."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. What does it do, Representative Stephens?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Well, the underlying Bill was an exchange of land between the Department of Conservation and the Metro East Sanitary District. Senate Amendment #1 changes reference from... It's a technical changing acreage from 140.93 to 141.01. Senate Amendment #2 authorizes the Department of Conservation to convey approximately 153 acres of real property to the Quality Stone Company of Waterloo, Illinois, in exchange for approximately 80 acres of real property near the Illinois Cabins Geological Formation in Monroe County. It also requires all incidental expenses in connection with the land exchange to be paid for by the Quality Stone Company. Also authorizes the Department of Conservation to convey certain real property to the Village of Forest City to be used for recreational purposes. Provides that the property shall be... in the event the property seizes to be used for recreational purposes. Senate Amendment #3 authorizes the Department of Central Management Services to convey certain parcels of real... parcels of real property totaling approximately 227.56 acres in Union County for the price of $300 per acre until June 30, 1986." 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Mr. Mulcahey, did you hear all that? Thank you. Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there 94 'aye', 15 'nos'. The Motion having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, the Bill is hereby declared passed. The next Bill shall be House Bill 1977, Mr. McCracken. This matter appears on Supplemental Calendar #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move this House adopt the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 1977. There are two parts to it. One, is cleanup technical language, which was the original Bill and which passed. And the other is to bring the Governor's appointees of the various boards under the Compensation Review Act. And I move its adoption."

"Representative Koehler."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Sponsor please yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield. Mr. McCracken."

"I yield."

"Thank you. Representative McCracken, for the purposes of informing the Gentleman from Durand, is this a pay raise Bill?"

"No."

"Well, is this a Bill that would allow certain boards and commissions to resign one day and be reappointed the next day at a higher salary?"

"Yes."

"Thank you. I object to this Bill. Thank you."

"Mr. Johnson."

"Am I to understand Representative Koehler is 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 withdrawing her opposition? Well, then, speaking in favor of the Bill. This isn't a pay raise. It isn't anything resembling a pay raise. Technical cleanup Bill and it's necessary to the orderly administration of the executive branch of the government. I've never voted for pay raise. I'm not going to start now, but this is not a pay raise. And I urge a 'yes' vote."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Committee Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. McCracken, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Johnson was correct. This is not a pay raise Bill. This Bill would allow the appointees of the Governor whose served term fixed by law to be reappointed for purposes of coming under the Compensation Review Board Act. It is not a pay raise. In fact, the result of our failure to adopt this would be a disparity of treatment between those appointees and other office holders affected by the Act. There was an anomaly created by our adoption of the Act so that midtermers or persons in a similar situation would find themselves years behind the pay raise scale accorded to other various members who come under the Act. That anomaly is corrected by this Bill. The reason the person has to be appointed or guaranteed by law, appointment the day after the resignation is for purposes of political security which... to both, your benefit and our benefit. The appointees are often nonpartisan, often bipartisan and we're looking for a couple more green votes up there to change that anomaly and treat them fairly."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 73 'ayes', 37 'nos'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have two more matters. The next Bill shall be Senate Bill 216. And the Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson for a Motion."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I would move that this House take Senate Bill 216 from the Table for consideration on the House Calendar, Second Reading, Second Legislative Day on October 16."

"You've all heard the Motion. Is there leave? Leave is granted using the Attendance Roll Call. The next matter will be... Next matter shall be a Resolution. The Clerk shall read the Resolution. This matter will be House Joint Resolution 89. There is a Motion on the Calendar on page 8. There is an Amendment by Mr. Daniels. So, Mr. Clerk, if you could get the Resolution on your desk. And the Chair recognizes Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 89 has yourself and Mr. Homer as Sponsors. With leave of the Body, I would like to add myself as the Sponsor and..."

"Leave is granted."

"...And Representative Ryder, if that's alright with you, Sir."

"Leave is granted."

"Alright. And I would move to withdraw Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Daniels - Ryder."

"Mr. Daniels."

"Floor Amendment #2, Mr. Speaker, is the Amendment that we discussed with you which strengthens the Resolution as met with your agreement. I'd ask for the favorable 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSE MELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 adoption of Amendment #2."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"On the Resolution, Mr. Homer... I believe Mr. Homer is the Sponsor of the Resolution. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk?"

"You are, Sir."

"...Okay. I understand that Mr. Homer is an abbreviated hyphenated Sponsor. Mr. Homer, on the Resolution."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. House Resolution 89 is the... House Joint Resolution 89, rather, is the Resolution which calls for a joint investigation of the McCormick Place annex project and would require each of the four leaders to appoint four members - four legislative Members to serve on the Committee which will then report its findings back to the General Assembly. I would move for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 89."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Resolution. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', 2 voting 'no'. This matter, having received a Majority vote, is hereby declared passed... is hereby declared adopted. The next matter will be an appropriation Bill. House Bill 2240. For what purpose does Mr. Daniels seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, a point of personal privilege."

"Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Daniels." 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"Yes, Sir. A point of personal privilege. Oh. Hold it, I got a phone call."

"Okay, Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let me just very briefly tell all of you that in the last few days have been a very difficult time for all of us and a most difficult time for me personally. We have done what we think is right. I think the culmination of what you've seen tonight is reflective of all of our work. For those of you that stuck with me through a very trying time, I want to thank each and everyone of you. To those of you that represented your view points and your beliefs, I understand. And to all of you who participated in the culmination of the settlement tonight, I thank you. Thank you very much."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege. I think what we done here in the last three days has been a total waste of time and something we probably could have settled in the last three weeks of the Session. And I think it's unfortunate we're here and the deal's been cut as we all know and will be cut again on Monday. It's just been a pretty obnoxious three days."

"The next matter will be House Bill 2240, Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz."

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. They're just wanting me to ask now. On House Bill 2240, I would move the House concur with Senate Amendment #1 which increases the appropriation by $946,000 for the General Assembly's OCE. The total being $18,336,600. I'd ask for your green vote to concur."

"Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Friedrich, to 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 explain his vote."

"I just like to point out that this is one percent of the total budget. I don't think that's too much expense. I think we're worth it."

"The Clerk shall take the record. Mr. Ewing, to explain his vote. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 98 'ayes', 8 voting 'no'. This Motion, having received a Constitutional Extraordinary Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill will be the appropriation for the General Assembly. That's the matter that we just considered. Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, I have been asked to read into the record clarification purposes on House Bill 570 which are read by Mr. McPike, and the debate on House Bill 570. And I had made a comment at that time that that was not my intent of the legislation. I misunderstood his words. With leave of the House, I would like the record, official record on House Bill 570 to show that Mr. McPike's statements on that Bill as to legislative intent, as to statement #1, 2 and 3, and the clarification that he read into the record were accurate reflections of the legislative intent on House Bill 570."

"Mr. McPike."

"Mr. Speaker, I told him that the other night."

"Okay. The... Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a Motion at the proper time for Senate Bill 1152 to be put over..."

"This will be the appropriate time, Mr. Ewing."

"Yes, put over to October 16th."

"Senate Bill 1152?"

"Yes, the Second Conference Committee Report."

"Mr. Johnson."

"The same Motion with respect to Senate Bill 1138." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985

"First, let the record show Mr. Daniels' comment relative to House Bill 570. Second, let us consider Mr. Ewing's request on Senate Bill 1152, that that matter be placed on the fall Calendar for October 16. Is there leave? Leave is granted using the Attendance Roll Call. Next, Mr. Johnson's request that Senate Bill 1188 be placed on the... Mr. Johnson."

"I guess it's House Bill 1188."

"Mr. Johnson."

"Yeah, I'm... House Bill 1188."

"House Bill. Mr. Johnson requests that House Bill 1188 be placed on the fall Calendar for consideration on October 16. Is there leave? Leave is granted using the Attendance Roll Call. Ladies and Gentlemen, let me have your attention, please. First, for those of you who went home over the... For what purpose does Mr. Churchill seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to place House Bill 137 on the Calendar for October... Conference Committee Report on the Calendar for October 16th."

"Wasn't part of the agreement."

"We never talked."

"Let's... Why don't we proceed to wind down. Okay, sit down, Mr. Churchill. First, for those of you who went home over the weekend of June 30th and over July 4, you must complete a request for travel expenses. So, if you went home over the weekend of June 30 or over July 4, please complete a special form for Session travel. Next, our friend, the Governor, has called a Special Session for Monday at 12:00 noon. And we... You've all been given copies of the proclamation. This Session, we'll treat House Bill 993 and House Bill 655, the appropriation Bills for Build Illinois. So that, we will be due here at 12:00 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 noon on Monday. The Clerk shall read the Adjournment Resolution. Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I... There are three Agreed Resolutions. I move for the adoption of 657, 659 and Senate Joint #85."

"Those in favor of the Agreed Resolutions say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution."

"Senate Joint Resolution 87. Resolved by the Senate of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the Senate adjourns on Wednesday, July 3, 1985, it stands adjourn until Wednesday, October 2, 1985 at 12:00 noon, and when the House of Representatives adjourns, it stands adjourn until Wednesday, October 2, 1985 at 12:00 noon."

"Mr. Giorgi moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. First Reading. Introduction."

"House Bill 2528, Klemm, a Bill for an Act to require prompt payments to the State of Illinois for goods and services. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2529, Pullen - et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. McPike for the Adjournment Motion. Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the House now stand adjourn until Wednesday, October 2nd at the hour of 12:00 noon."

"Those in favor will say 'aye', those opposed will say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. We stand adjourned in Regular Session until October 2nd, but we shall return here on Monday in Special Session at 12:00 noon. Thank you very 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 71st Legislative Day July 5, 1985 much." 78  03/04/87 11:53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JULY 05, 1985 PAGE 1 HB-0431 CONFERENCE PAGE 65 HB-0567 CONFERENCE PAGE 46 H3-0651 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0652 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0653 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0656 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0657 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 H3-0659 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0660 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0664 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0666 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0667 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0668 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0669 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0670 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0671 CONFERENCE PAGE 66 HB-0672 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 H3-0673 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-0674 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 HB-0676 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-0678 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 H3-0679 CONFERENCE PAGE 44 HB-0692 CONFERENCE PAGE 49 HB-0694 CONFERENCE PAGE 55 HB-0694 MOTION PAGE 55 HB-0720 CONFERENCE PAGE 61 HB-0720 MOTION PAGE 61 HB-1070 CONFERENCE PAGE 56 HB-1097 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 HB-1152 DISCUSSED AND POSTPONED PAGE 75 HB-1188 DISCUSSED AND POSTPONED PAGE 75 HB-1279 CONFERENCE PAGE 64 HB-1285 CONFERENCE PAGE 63 HB-1500 CONFERENCE PAGE 67 HB-1769 CONFERENCE PAGE 60 HB-1857 CONFERENCE PAGE 53 HB-1924 CONFERENCE PAGE 69 HB-1977 CONFERENCE PAGE 70 HB-2232 CONFERENCE PAGE 68 HB-2240 CONFERENCE PAGE 74 HB-2418 CONFERENCE PAGE 48 HB-2528 FIRST READING PAGE 77 HB-2529 FIRST READING PAGE 77 SB-0134 CONFERENCE PAGE 60 S3-0216 MOTION PAGE 72 SB-0403 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0448 CONFERENCE PAGE 42 SB-0452 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 SB-0453 CONFERENCE PAGE 57 SB-0454 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 SB-0458 CONFERENCE PAGE 58 SB-0459 CONFERENCE PAGE 47 S3-0460 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0461 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 S3-0464 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0467 CONFERENCE PAGE 59 SB-0468 CONFERENCE PAGE 50 SB-0470 CONFERENCE PAGE 51 SB-0472 CONFERENCE PAGE 59 SB-0473 CONFERENCE PAGE 51 SB-0475 CONFERENCE PAGE 51 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 4 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 5 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 21 SB-0476 CONFERENCE PAGE 42  03/04/87 11:53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84YH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JULY 05, 1985 SB-0476 MOTION SB-0476 MOTION SB-0476 MOTION S3-0476 MOTION SB-0430 CONFERENCE SB-0481 CONFERENCE SB-0483 CONFERENCE SB-0552 CONFERENCE SB-0830 CONFERENCE SB-0847 CONFERENCE SB-1095 CONFERENCE HJR-0089 RESOLUTION OFFERED SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER GREIMAN PRAYER - FATHER ROBERT J. JALLAS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE AGREED RESOLUTIONS GENERAL RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE ON ASSIGNMENT DEATH RESOLUTIONS RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES AGREED RESOLUTIONS ADJOURNED PAGE 2 PAGE 6 PAGE 8 PAGE 15 PAGE 36 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 44 PAGE 59 PAGE 46 PAGE 65 PAGE 42 PAGE 72 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 3 PAGE 5 PAGE 5 PAGE 42 PAGE 42 PAGE 77 PAGE 77