Illinois House Floor Debate — May 7, 1986

"The hour of 12:30 having arrived, the House will be in order. The Chaplain for today will be Reverend Farris E. Morrison, Sr., Pastor, Prayerwheel Church of God and Christ in Springfield. Reverend Morrison is a guest of Representative Michael Curran. The guests in the gallery may rise and join us in the invocation. Reverend Morrison."

"In the presence of God, it is good to draw near to Thee, O God. In Thy presence we have a sense of peace and wholesomeness. We feel Thy spirit moving in our souls and we are refreshed. Abide with us always and keep us turning toward Thee in prayer repeatedly. As we come to Thee today, speak in our hearts that word which will comfort and encourage us. Impart Thy love that our selfish passions may be restrained and we may love as Thou has loved us. Grant us a renewal of our vision that we may see what is the best and right thing to do at every moment. Endow us with Thy forgiving grace, that sense in forgiveness for our sins we may live in the freedom of Christ, as purchased by His own blood for it is in His Name that we pray. Amen."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp, will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Reverend Morrison today has brought Mrs. Morrison to join us and she is in Representative Curran's chair and we welcome you along with your distinguished husband, Mrs. Morrison. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 116 Members having answered to the Call 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day of the Quorum, May 7, 1986 a quorum is present. Mr. Piel, are there any excused absences on the Republican side?"

"No, Mr. Speaker, none today."

"Ar. Matijevich, are there any excused absences on the Democratic side?"

"Let the record reflect the absence of Representative Nelson Rice and also let the record reflect that Representative Chuck Hartke is one year older than he was yesterday. Happy birthday, Chuck."

"Thank you. Let the record so reflect that Representative Rice is excused today. Yes, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, with leave of the House, I would like to restore House Bills 2893 and 3230 to the Consent Calendar where they originally resided. I was the individual who knocked those off and I believe that it was due to a communications error and I would like to request leave of the House to restore those Bills."

"Gentleman asks leave of the House to restore the Bills to the Consent Calendar. Gentleman have leave? He has leave and the Bills will be restored to the Consent Calendar. With the... With leave of the House, on page eight, House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2630. Mr. Wolf. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2630, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Yes, Mr. Ronan, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know it's a violation of House rules, but I don't really care. Representative Berrios, 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 myself and Representative Kulas would like to recognize 21 students from Association House who are getting their GED degree on May 23rd. We think it's important for young people in the inner city who are working hard to get a better education to be recognized."

"On page 27 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar, Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bills."

"Consent Calendar Second Reading, Second Day. House Bill 3058, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to recorders. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3378, a Bill for an Act to amend the Real Estate License Act. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3428, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to cemeteries. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. House Bill... page 27. House Bill 3484, (sic - 3474) a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to Lake County Forest Preserve District. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3479, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to release easements and restore access rights to certain described lands in the State of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. That was 3474 where I said 3484. House Bill 3474 was a Bill for an Act relating to Lake County Forest P D S n f h U in Committee. Second Reading of the Bill. And the two Bills that were restored to the Consent Calendar, House Bill 2893, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to public water districts. Second Reading of the Bill. And House Bill 3230, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Township Law of 1874. Second Reading of 3  114th Legislative Day the Bill." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. And Mr. Keane, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Alright. It is the intention of the Chair now to move to page 20 of the Calendar, House Bills Third Reading Short Debate. You will recall that in... under our rules, it is appropriate for someone to... who wishes to stand in opposition to seek recognition after the presentation by the principal Sponsor. And so on the Order of House Bills Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 564. Mr. McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 564, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"And the Gentleman from DuPage. Mr. Cracken... McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 564 was amended in Committee and now simply addresses the issue of multi-year contracts permissible under the Municipal Code. Certain multi-year contracts are currently municipal. This would expand it, but it would be limited in all cases to professional services, management services, things of those... of that nature. It does not relate to the purchase of goods or payment over time beyond one year. It allows contracting for these services and I move its passage."

"The Gentleman from DuPage. Mr. McCracken has moved for the passage of House Bill 564 and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"Representative, I know this is on Short Debate. I just have a couple of questions. First of all, the Section 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 that you amended, the Illinois Municipal Code, would that be a Section that would apply to the City of Chicago?"

"I don't know that. I... I hadn't considered that and as I look at it, I can't tell from the numbering system whether it is."

"Well, okay, as I understand the Bill then, it will permit the personal service contracts and perhaps such things as data processing equipment leases that could be on a multi-year contract but does not exceed the term of the presiding officer or the mayor? Okay. Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."

"Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Yes, indicates he will yield for questions. Again, our procedure is to... to allow questions briefly on any issue. Yes, Ms. Braun, continue."

"I understand. I understand. Thank you. Representative McCracken, is the first part of the Bill as printed having to do with residency, that has been deleted by the Amendment?"

"Yes, in its entirety."

"Yes, thank you. No further questions."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from DuPage. Mr. McCracken, to close."

"I ask for a favorable vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open and this will be final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 1229. Ms. Younge, do you wish to proceed on that Bill? No, out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 1446. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1446, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"And on that, the Lady from Cook, Ms. Alexander. Yes, Ms. Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The power just came to the mic. House Bill 1446 as amended and the language - and it has been worked out with the Department of Public Aid - merely puts the State of Illinois in compliance with Federal regulations with regards to payments to children first and other agencies second. And I would ask for an 'aye' vote with regards to it. I'm through."

"Alright. The Lady from Cook, Ms. Alexander, has moved for the passage of House Bill 1446, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you..."

"You stand in opposition, Mr. McCracken?"

"I don't know. I'm going to ask a question, if that's all right."

"Alright. Proceed, Sir."

"Ethel, what... what is it that this Bill does? Could you give some more detail on it, please?"

"I surely shall. This Bill merely provides for actions brought in the Circuit Court for back support money be consolidated with future actions for future support money. It provides that the Department of Public Aid shall be limited to the collections of current support obligations established through administrative procedures 6  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 and unless arrearages occurs. The Amendment was offered by me and has been signed off by the Department of Public Aid as being proper and in order."

"Alright. They... They can bring enforcement actions for past due aid and now they can enter an order for future support payments at the same time?"

"It merely means that where there is a support order for a parent, when the Public Aid goes into the Circuit Court to collect those payments, they will endeavor to secure payments for the family for back support money as likewise reimbursements for any monies that they have expended in behalf of that family. It will be a simultaneous actions moving through the court system. In fact, it will decrease some of the public aid money because they will be giving back to that family and parent monies that are due and owing them by the absentee husband or wife or spouse."

"Okay, thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This will be final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 64 voting 'aye', 46 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is here... Mr. McCracken, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Seek a verification, Mr. Speaker."

"Alright. The Gentleman from Dupage requests a verification. The Lady from Cook asks for a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Breslin."

"Breslin votes 'aye'." 7  114th Legislative Day

STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE "Continuing the Poll of the Absentees. May 7, 1986 DeJaegher. Hartke. Klemm. And Stern."

"Klemm votes 'no'." Clerk 0'Brien: "And Mrs. Stern."

"Mr. Dunn, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Leave to be verified."

"Mr. Dunn asks leave to be verified. May he... Yes, you have leave, Mr. Dunn. Mr. O'Connell asks leave to be verified. You also have leave, Mr. O'Connell. Mr. Clerk, proceed with the verification of the Affirmative Roll Call."

"Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Daley. DeLeo. Deuchler. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hawkinson. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Keane. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Mulcahey. Nash. O'Connell. Olson. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Preston. Rea. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Stec zo. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Washington. White. Wolf. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. Zwick. Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, Mr. Kirkland. How is Mr. Kirkland voted?"

"Yeah, change my vote to 'aye', please."

"Mr. Kirkland goes from 'no' to 'aye'. Ms. Stern."

"Mr. Speaker, would... I'd like to vote 'aye' on this Bill."

"Vote Ms. Stern 'aye'. Yes, Mr. McCracken, questions of the Affirmative Roll Call."

"My Leader tells me that we wish to withdraw the 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Motion."

"Alright, the request for verification is withdrawn. This Bill, having received... 67 'aye', 46 'no', 1 voting 'present', this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. And on the Order of House Bills Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2486. Mr. Stephens, would you like to go forward with that Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2486, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 2486 simply provides that expenditures from the Illinois Horse... excuse me, Illinois Race Track Improvement Fund be made pursuant to competitive bidding. I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, moves for the passage of House Bill 2486, and on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Stephens, this was on the Consent Calendar and I took it off so that you could have an opportunity to talk to Representative Vinson about this Bill. Have you done so?"

"I asked Representative Vinson if he had a specific reason."

"I just wanted to know if you... if you could maybe take this out of the record for just one minute so we can... We'll come back to it as soon as we talk to Representative Vinson."

"I... I'd be more then happy to, yes. Yes, if the Speaker is willing to urge reconsideration, I'd be glad to." 9  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Yes, alright. We'll take this Bill out of the record and we will return to it. We'll also move back one Bill. Ms. Younge tells me she is prepared to proceed on House Bill 1229. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 1229."

"House Bill 1229, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from St. Clair, Ms. Younge."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1229 amends the General Assistance Article of the Public Aid Code to prohibit the termination of assistance just because the person is a resident in an alcoholism treatment facility. Amendment #1 reiterates that a residential facility that is licensed by the Illinois Department of Public Health shall not prohibit residency in that... shall not prohibit the termination of public aid. The intent of the Bill is simply to have the person continue to get public assistance or general assistance while they are being treated for alcoholism and, as I understand it, the Department of Public Aid does not have any objections to this Bill."

"The Lady from St. Clair moves for the passage of House Bill 1229, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 70 voting 'aye', 42 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2528. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2528. a Bill for an Act to amend 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Sections of an Act to require prompt payments by the State of Illinois for goods and services. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2528 amends the Prompt Payment Act in Illinois. Currently legislation in the statutes require that our vendors who supply the state with supplies and services be paid promptly and we do have existing law for prompt payment. However, there is such a routine and rigamarole in trying to have a vendor receive interest due on properly supplied services that are late in payment that House Bill 2528 addresses. And basically what it does is that it allows the various departments an additional time to pay if it's reduced in writing and the vendor knows that the terms will be less... I mean will be longer than 30 days which it now calls for. So, this gives the department of State Government and the vendor an opportunity to maybe make different payment terms than what's called for in the Act. Secondly, that if the state agency or the official is late in making its prompt payment that interest can and will be given to a vendor, but that vendor would simply have to ask for it and provide a description of what the original transaction was including the invoice date, the amount of the bill and the date of it. What this does is prevents an automatic interest payment being made because then the department would have to go through several thousands of bills and it would certainly be an additional cost to state government. So that at least now a vendor, if he doesn't get paid promptly, makes a simple request of the department, department then makes the payment of interest as required by law now to that vendor. The last change is that it allows the Court of Claims to may... make 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 interest payments as... as prescribed in the Act if they come before the Court of Claims. I think we have answered all the concerns of all the departments and I do ask for your favorable support."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm, has moved for the passage of House Bill 2528, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open and this will be final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 116 voting 'aye, none voting 'no", none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Yes, Mr. Stephens, are you prepared now to proceed with your Bill? Alright, Mr. Clerk, on the Order of House Bills Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2486. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2486, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2486 provides that expenditures from the Illinois Race Track Improvement Fund be made pursuant to competitive bidding and I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, moves for the passage of House Bill 2486, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open and this will be final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this 12  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 question there are 107 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Alright, we will now change the Order of Business. On page two of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading Short Debate Calendar appears House Bill 988. Mr. Steczo, did you wish to proceed with that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 988, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 1043. Mr. Levin, are you... Mr. Levin, 1043. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2237. Ms. Currie. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2237, a Bill for an Act to amend law concerning maintenance and child support. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Short Debate Second Reading appears House Bill 2313. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse me. Mr. McCracken, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Alright. Mr. Homer wishes to proceed. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2313, a Bill for an Act relating to 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 state printing. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendments #1 and 2?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Homer."

"Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Inquiry of the Chair."

"Yes, Mr. Homer."

"I would ask the Clerk to relate... there seems to be a little bit of disagreement... or misunderstanding as to what Amendment #2 adopted in Committee was. Could the Clerk read the LRB number of Amendment #2?"

"Mr. Clerk."

"LRB 8404887JSJWAMO2."

"Okay, thank you very much. Request of Representative Cullerton, I would ask that the Bill be taken out of the record temporarily."

"Alright. Take the Bill out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2582. Mr. Preston, do you wish to proceed? 2582. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2599. Ms. Stern. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2613. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2613, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Health Maintenance Organization Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments." May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. Yes, alright. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2582. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2582, a Bill for an Act concerning missing children. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Floor... Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Preston and McCracken."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to let Representative McCracken handle this Amendment, if that's alright with the speaker."

"Alright, we'll let your lawyer do it. Mr. McCracken, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 becomes the Bill and deletes the requirements that information be put in the LEADS computer and instead requires that the information be radioed and when all necessary information is gathered, immediately entered into the LEADS computer. This is regarding missing children when time is of the essence in order to get started on the case as soon as possible. The Bill also amends the law in that it provides for funds appropriated to I Search not to lapse and be returned to the General Revenue Fund in the case of their not being used for a particular fiscal year, but they would revert to the I Search Fund and be available for use and spending in the next year. That's all." 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2582, and on that, the Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"What does it really do in terms of... what information has to be gathered before the report is put in the LEADS computer?"

"Yes, Mr. McCracken, proceed."

"Thank you. It does not address that issue. Under current rules and regulations promulgated by the Department of Law Enforcement, there are eight or nine elements of information necessary to put into the computer. They tell me that until they have all eight or nine of those it would be counterproductive to put it in the computer because of its linkup."

"Well, I guess my concern is that... and I have been through probably one of the most major cases in my district, using the I Search and there were some statements made that it wasn't put in the computer quick enough, that we don't stand around trying to find out some little detail item before we put the name or description of a child in the LEADS computer because somebody can't get ahold of a detail or find something else."

"No. that's correct and that's what the Bill originally did. It required it to be put in the LEADS computer immediately, regardless of the amount of imformation. DLE says that that's a problem because they hook up through LEADS to the NCIC which needs that imformation. So, this is a compromise suggested by the Department of Law Enforcement. It does not address the issue of the LEADS computer, but it does require alternative immediate steps to be taken such as radio 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 broadcasting, telephoning I Search so that we do have that immediate communication."

"Right, so the Department of Law Enforcement, I guess, it's now State Police, feel that this is an appropriate Amendment and appropriate language and they are the ones that are charged with the duty of really executing it, right?"

"Correct. And the... the new statutory requirement now creates a dual responsibility, one to enter into LEADS immediately upon the gathering of the necessary information and also this immediate radio, phoning and other additional networking."

"Okay, thank you."

"Mr. Cullerton, were you seeking recognition? Alright, Mr. Bowman."

"Will the Sponsor of the Amendment yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative McCracken..."

"Yes."

"Would you explain to me how money gets into the I Search Fund in the first place?"

"I believe it's..."

"Doesn't your Amendment..."

"I believe it's a line item of the Department of Law Enforcement."

"Well, but... but what is the origin of the money?"

"GRF, I believe."

"Okay, well then, explain to me why it is necessary for lapsed monies to remain in the fund since we make annual appropriations from GRF anyway? Let me... Before you answer, let me just say that the common instance in which these things are done that you are suggesting is when there is a balance in some kind of a earmarked fund and interest 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day is earned on that balance May 7, 1986 and then the people who are supporting whatever program it is like to capture that interest rather than just having it vanish into thin air or go back to the GRF. If we are making a General Revenue appropriation every year, what's the big deal?"

"I'm sorry. question."

I didn't hear the immediate last Bowman: "Okay, well, if the origin of these funds is General Revenue, what is the value in retaining the last funds and rolling them over from one year to the next?"

"I was mistaken. It provides that monies not expended by I Search, rather than lapse, be put into the Missing and Exploited Children Trust Fund, which was the scenario you had described earlier."

"Okay, so we have a Missing Childrens Trust Fund which then captures the lapsed or unexpended appropriations in other line items, is that correct?"

"According to the Bill, it's a... only funds which were originally disseminated to I Search but not expended by those units."

"Well, I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what this Amendment does and while I don't have any problem with anything else in the Amendment or the Bill, this does give me problems because it does affect the appropriations process and, in my opinion, to the extent that it circumvents the process, undermines the integrity of that process and I wondered if... would we be creating problems for you legislatively if we took this out of the record right now? I would like to try and understand what you're trying to do."

"No, as long as we can get back to it, that's fine."

"Could... Is that possible?"

"Yes, alright. The Bill will be taken out of 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 the record at this time. Excuse me, Mr. Preston. You are the Sponsor of the Bill."

"Take it out of the record. That's alright, fine."

"Alright. On House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2685. Mr. Hallock. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2705. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2705, a Bill for an Act in relation to sanitary districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. We are now on page three of the Calendar and the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2724. Mr. Mautino. 2724. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2724, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2726. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2726, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for the creation and management of forest preserve districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2741. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2741, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2775. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2775, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Steczo."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, on Floor Amendment #1."

"Thank you..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Steczo. Let's give the Gentleman your attention, please. Mr. Steczo, proceed."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 to House Bill 2775 was brought to my attention by the staff and simply places the Amendment or the language of the Bill in the proper statutory context. I would move for its adoption."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2775. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is... I'm sorry. Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, I'm sorry. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Okay, Mr. Speaker, I... I have no questions. I think I have had an opportunity to review the Amendment and it 20  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 seems to be in order."

"Alright. Yes, Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield to a question, please?"

"Indicates he will."

"Terry, this basically ties the interest rate that they would be paying on a lease to the Public Corporation Interest Rate Act, is that correct?"

"Representative Piel, yes, it's what we do for other public corporations in this state. However, the... all the Amendment does is simply changes the reference from an Act that was approved November 8th, 1979, to May 26th, 1970. That's all the Amendment really does."

"But it would not preclude us, if the rates fluctuated in a great upward swing from possibly leasing, as far as township or county officials, right?"

"Mr. Piel, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear your question."

"I said if the interest rates were to go into a great upward swing, it would not preclude them from leasing any equipment? I mean it wouldn't put them out of the marketplace from leasing?"

"This, Representative Piel, no, it would allow them to do what other local municipalities do and take advantage of low interest rates, but also not be penalized by the current statutory reference of five percent."

"Fine, thank you very much. No further questions."

"Alright, there being no further questions, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. On page three of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2778. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2778, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Saltsman."

"Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Saltsman, on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 does nothing for the Bill, but it just eliminates some inconsistent language. I ask for its passage."

"Gentleman from Peoria moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2778, and on that, the Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"Representative, as I understand it, this removes the maximum limit for the smaller counties, is that it?"

"That would be for every township, yes."

"Oh, alright, for every township, okay."

"Uh-huh."

"And..."

"That is what the Bill consists of. The Amendment just consists of the rest of the language that's not needed any longer."

"Okay, thank you."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yeah, now I'm getting confused. Did the original Bill deal with all township road commissioners or all road commissioners?" 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Yes."

"The original Bill dealt with all road commissioners and the effect of the Amendment is to limit it to... in some fashion, is that correct?"

"No, it just takes the $45 cap off."

"That's what the Bill does."

"Yes. Most of them are making more than that anyhow, but it takes it off and allows the township commissioners to..."

"But the Amendment deals with districts comprised of a single township of more than a hundred thousand population?"

"Well, the information that I received when they asked me to run this Amendment is that there is... there are no townships involved with this with a hundred thousand or more population."

"Okay, thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, "Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?" Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2839. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2839, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to provide for the organization and maintenance of the University of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendments 1 and 2?" 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment ¥3, offered by Representative Olson."

"Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Amendment merely makes a technical correction to clarify the fact that only Section 1 of this Bill is amended by inclusion of the word 'this'. Originally, the Bill was designed to do away with some obsolete language. Amendment #2 was offered in Committee and adopted, which would change the context. So, this is merely a technical Amendment to change a Section on page two, line five. I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson, moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2839, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Olson."

"Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson, on Amendment #4."

"Thank you again, Mr. Speaker. We amend the title of the Bill."

"Excuse me. Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Has this been distributed?"

"Mr. Clerk, has this Amendment been distributed? We're advised by the Clerk that the Amendment has been 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day distributed, Mr. Cullerton.

"We on Amendment #4?"

"Yes." May 7, 1986 Do you have a copy?"

"Yes."

"Then I would say I do not. I wondered if he could take it out of the record for a second."

"Mr. Olson, you want to take that out of the record? Alright. Out of the record. On the order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 2876. Mr. Terzich, do you wish to proceed with that? Clerk, read the Bill."

Mr. "House Bill 2876, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." Speaker Greiman: #1?"

"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment "No Motions filed." "Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order Second Reading Short Debate of House Bills appears House Bill 2893. Alright, yes. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate Calendar appears House Bill 2911. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2911, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of No Committee Amendments." Sections of the Bill.

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2969. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3019. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Richmond, do you 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 wish to proceed with that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3019, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Beef Market Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments."

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, I'm advised that we can move now... return to House Bill 2839. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill... House Bill 2839. This Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendment... Floor Amendment #4 was offered by Representative Olson."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson, on Floor Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #4 amends the title of this Bill to reflect incorporation of Amendment #2 which was adopted in Committee as the result of the recommendation of the Democratic staff. It provides an Act to authorize the board of trustees. And so, this is designed to incorporate Section #3 into the Bill. I move its adoption."

"The Gentleman from Lee has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 2839, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted?" Those in favor say "aye", opposed "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the "ayes" have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments." 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3040. Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3040, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain sanitary districts amending Acts herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3043. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3043, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the State Mandates Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3062. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3062, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3078. Mr. Hawkinson, do you wish to proceed with that Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3078, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments."

"No Floor Amendments." 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3097. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3097, a Bill for an Act to prohibit the discharge of an employee for filing a claim under group accident and health insurance policy. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. And on page four of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3135. Mr. Hastert. Mr. Hastert with us? Alright. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3161. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3161, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Emergency Service and Disaster Agency Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3175. Yes. I just wanted to point out that here we have the mother of Andrew Madigan is with us on the floor of the House and she... just say hello and not lobby us for the Art Council at this moment. Yes, 3175. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3175, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed." 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3175. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Oh, I'm sorry. 3178. Yes, 3178."

"House Bill 3178, a Bill for an Act in relation to the borrowing of money by certain public corporations. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Yes, are there any Motions with respect to Amendment 31?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3181. Mr. McGann, did you wish to proceed on that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3181, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3217. Ms. Currie, 3217. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3217, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to the creation, maintenance, operation and improvement of the Chicago Park District. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 114th Legislative Day

"Any Floor Amendments."

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. I notice I inadvertently skipped over House Bill 3194. Mr. Young, Anthony Young, yes. Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, 3194."

"House Bill 3194, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections on an Act in relation to state finance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Anthony Young."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Young, on Floor Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, Floor Amendment al is the Amendment that was requested in Committee wherein any interest earned in this working capital fund that isn't expended within one year will be returned to General Revenue. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Young, moves for the adoption of Amendment al to House Bill 3194, and on that, Mr. McCracken, the Gentleman from DuPage."

"Mr. Speaker, has the Amendment been printed and distributed?"

"I'm advised by the Clerk that it has."

"Okay, to Representative Young. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Can you give me a more precise description of what the Amendment does?"

"As the Bill is written, the Bill allows for certain interest earned on the working capital fund to be deposited in the fund rather than General Revenue. What the Amendment does is provide that any interest deposited in that fund that is not expended within a year would then 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 be sent to General Revenue."

"So the working capital fund is interest bearing and rather than remaining in that fund, any excess of the interest earned would be returned to GRF?"

"Rather than remain in the fund over a year."

"Okay."

"The Bill allows it to remain in the fund for a year."

"What is the purpose of the fund?"

"The working capital revolving fund is the fund used by the prison industries."

"The prison industries?"

"Yes."

"For what purposes? I'm not familiar with it."

"The products they sell and their services, the fees that they will seek for their products and services are deposited in that fund."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3224. Mr. Ronan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3224, a Bill for an Act to adopt the Tri-State Highspeed Rail Line Compact. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3266. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3266, a Bill for an Act relating to state colleges and university systems. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 3267. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3267, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to governing boards of certain public institutions of higher education. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Keane."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to table Amendment #1. Table... #... Amendment #2 does the same thing."

"You want to with... alright. Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Countryman."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr... I mean... I'm sorry. The Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Countryman, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 adds the Board of Regents to the Board of Governors and the governing body at Southern Illinois University to allow the same thing that the underlying Bill does. It's self insurance and I'd move the adoption of Amendment #2." 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"The Gentleman from DeKalb, May 7, 1986 Mr. Countryman, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 3267, and on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an agreed Amendment and I urge its adoption."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, "Shall Amendment #2 favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment Amendment?" be adopted?" Those in In the view of the Chair, is adopted.

Further Clerk O'Brien: "No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Rea to the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Today we have a very special group in Illinois that has contributed greatly to the economic development, not only to the community they are located in in Herrin, but to all of southern Illinois and to this state. And at this time, I would ask the Clerk to read House Resolution 1267."

"House Resolution 1267. Whereas Norge, a division of Magic Chef, Inc., located in Herrin, Illinois, will be honored by the town with a Norge Day Celebration on May 23 and 24; and whereas in 1943, a group of far-sighted, civic-minded people in Herrin began a search for an industry which could be persuaded to relocate in their town to provide jobs for returning servicemen and ensure an economic future of the region, they found that their needs and Norge Company's expansion plans were compatible and Norge came to Herrin in 1946; and whereas the Norge division manufactures household and commercial laundry appliances for distribution nationally and internationally and employs 850 people from Herrin and surrounding towns, doing an 18 million dollar business per year; and whereas 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Norge has generously pledged $25,000 to the construction of a new Herrin Civic Center and it is constantly benefiting the company through the millions it spends in public... local purchases each year. Beyond this economic involvement, Norge has a corporate personal commitment that expands from management to the plant and involves civic, educational, cultural and social activities in all communities in which it employs... its employees live, and whereas Norge is known for its high worker morale and good management. it rewards perfect attendance with 12 percent of the workers... which 12 percent of the workers achieve with bonuses and a banquet and like other progressive companies, holds listening sessions each week to allow employees to offer their input and air grievances; and whereas the town of Herrin appreciates the benefit it derives es from its association with Norge and prides itself on having been able to induce the company to move into the community, therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois that we congratulate Norge on being honored by the City of Herrin on Norge Day, that we commend Norge for its services to the community in which its employees reside and that we wish its employees and their families continued happiness and prosperity. And be it further resolved that we present a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution to Norge, another Magic Chef Company, in recognition of its contributions to Herrin and the southern Illinois region."

"At this time, I would ask for leave to add to House Resolution 1267, sponsored by Rea Richmond - Phelps and Goforth, all Members of the House and Hicks. Leave granted. All those in favor of House Bill... or House Resolution 1267 signify by saying 'aye', those opposed. Motion adopted. At this time, I would like to introduce 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 two people particularly from Norge that have made this a great success. We'd like to introduce John Nicholas, on my right, who is Director of Human Resources for Norge and have had a great deal to play in the operations of that over the years. Also, I would like to introduce and ask him to make a few comments, John Carpenter, Vice-President and General Manager of Norge."

"Thank you very much. We are very proud of Norge. We are very proud of southern Illinois. We have been there 40 years. Hopefully, with your help, we'll be there for many, many more years. We'd like some consideration, some thought on our competitive situation and looking at the unemployment, the workmen's compensation, product liability. We need your help before we get run out. He are very proud to be southern Illinoisans. We are proud to be a part of Norge and I'd like to personally say, 'Thank you very much."

"Thank you to Norge and Members of the House."

"Representative Greiman in the Chair. Subject Matter Call - Airport Regulation. First Bill on that Order of Call appears House Bill 3498. Excuse me. Mr. Peterson. Okay, yes, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Where does the notification of the Special Call appear on the Calendar?"

"We don't need it. This is not a Special Call. This is a call by subject matter which is within the province of the Chair according to Rule 39(1)..."

"Have... Had there ever been a subject matter call in the history of this House before on Second Readings?"

"Absolutely. Absolutely."

"Would you tell me when? Pardon?"

"Absolutely." 35  114th Legislative Day

"When." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Every... Every single Session that I have been in this Chair, Sir. Every single Session."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, to the issue. There has never been, in my memory, on Second Reading, a Special Call, and particularly on the Second Day for Bills on Second Reading. Now, what you are doing with this is deliberately trying to avoid an informed deliberative discussion of the issue of airport regulation in this state. Why would you have to accelerate these Bills to Third Reading? Why can't you discuss them, let Members file Amendments in the ordinary course of business? Why do you suddenly on the Second Day of Bills on Second Reading accelerate these Bills to Third Reading? Because you know they are full of holes like swiss cheese, they are full of holes like swiss cheese that need plugging and you don't want them plugged. This is nothing more than a sham. It's the Speaker's effort to avoid airport regulation. That's what it is and you know it and you ought to be... man enough to admit it on the floor."

"Mr... Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson. You have not couched that in any objective... objection that I know of. However, the House, by tradition and under the rules, can go to this Order of Business by a Special Subject Matter Call. As far as future Amendments, Mr... Mr. Vinson, the first Bill that I called is a Bill with the Sponsor Mr. Peterson. He can proceed if he wishes or not. That is up to him. Mr. Peterson, you wish to proceed?"

"Out of the record, Mr. Speaker."

"Out of the record. On that same Order of Call appears House Bill 3632. Mr. Capparelli, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3632, a Bill for an Act to amend the 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day Illinois Aeronautic May 7, 1986 Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Yes. There has been a request for a fiscal note on that Bill and a fiscal note has been filed. Yes, Mr. Vinson, what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Inquire about the fiscal note."

"Yes, it's been filed. Mr. Piel, did you wish..."

"My light's not on."

"On page five of the Calendar appears... On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1. Mr. Cullerton, do you wish to proceed with House Bill 1? Out of the record. Appears House Bill 45. Out of the record. House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 106. Mr. Nash. Mr. Nash, 106. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 191. Ms. Younge. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 330. Ms. Braun. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 390. Mr. Davis. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 523. Mr. Mautino. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 546. Mr. Rea. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 562. Mr. Levin. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 768. Mr. Steczo. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Bill 938. Mr. Ropp. Mr. Ropp. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 938, a Bill for an Act creating the Prohibition Alternative Project within Southeastern Illinois College. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 954. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 954, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the township law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Deuchler."

"Lady from Kane, Ms. Deuchler, on Amendment #2."

"The Amendment was discussed in Committee. We agreed to exempt Cook County from the provisions of this proposal. Move the adoption."

"Lady from Kane moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 954, and on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates she'll yield for question."

"Representative, I'm not on the Committee. I believe it was Counties and Townships?"

"Yes."

"What was the rationale behind eliminating Cook County?" 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Yes, there is not much township government going on in Cook County. It did affect downstate areas and it seemed more prudent to cover the areas that are... that are needing the protection of an enforcement officer."

"So this is... This Bill creates a... kind of like a little township police department and you didn't feel it necessary to have the townships in Cook County have this mini police department?"

"Well, this enforcement officer is largely going to be used or totally going to be used to enforce township ordinances. They will not be carrying a gun, but their primary purpose would be to enforce the anti-dumping, garbage dumping that is a problem in the rural townships."

"Well, Chicago has not township government, but Cook County does outside of Chicago. I'm just wondering if you discussed with some of the suburban Cook County Representatives whether or not they wished to be... have a mini-police force in their township... it's another job, right?"

"Well, the agreement... The agreement in the Committee and the discussion in the Committee was that Cook County was to be taken out and we are... we are pledged to do that and that is what the Amendment does."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1130. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"House Bill 1130, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Hastert."

"Yes, alright, the Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 to House Bill 1130 provides... it's a clean up of a Bill that we passed a couple years ago. The reason for the Amendment is the... there's a Judge in Champaign County, I believe, that said the clean up of the Bill when we roll over multipliers, that those... when those multipliers are rolled over that people should be given notice that their taxes have been increased. That Judge took that legislation in his interpretation and said that any time that there is a multiplier applied, even though it's a zero multiplier or a one point zero multiplier, that they had to send out tax notices and increase notices. What we are trying to do is, then, further define the law and we say only when there is an increase or decrease that those notices should be given. It's a clarification. It's a clarification to clean up a problem that we have had in interpretation of the courts and ask for your adoption of that Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Kendall moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1139... 38, and on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from..."

"Mr. Speaker, it's 1130."

"Oh, yes. I'm sorry. 1130. And on that, the 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I simply rise in support of this Amendment. I think when we provided legislation to notify property owners of a change in their assessment, we meant that just for that purpose, for a change and not when there was something that was simply verifying that they would have a multiplier of one. The situation in Champaign County is such that something in excess of $6000 for postage alone, plus whatever the paper and other mailing expenses were has occurred because the feeling of the state's attorney's office was that the law requires them currently to send out notification even when the multiplier is 1.00 and we have complied with that because the county assessor does not want to be in violation of the law, but certainly we should not compel assessors in the future to go through this useless exercise and I rise in support of the Amendment."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?" Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Shaw."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw, on Amendment #3. Mr. Shaw."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3, all this Amendment does is allow the companies that are located in South Africa, it would remove any tax credit or tax abatement that they are now receiving. Now, if those companies chose to stay in South Africa they would lose that abatement or tax credit and I think it's high time that the companies that are doing 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 business in South Africa be held accountable and I ask for the adoption of the Amendment.

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1130. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."

"Mr. Speaker, I question the germaneness of the Amendment."

"We're checking that, and we'll be back to you on that. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Mr. Churchill, before you make your request, the Chair has examined the Bill and the Amendment. The Bill provides that it is an Act in relation to local property taxes. The Amendment so increases the scope of this Bill to state and local taxes, not just property taxes; that it would be beyond the realm... beyond the reasonable realm of germaneness. And, accordingly, I would rule the Amendment #3 as being nongermane. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1155. Mr. McGann, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1155, a Bill for an Act relating to sales of gasohol. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"No Motions filed. Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Shaw."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw, on Amendment #2." 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

May 7, 1986 "Amendment #2 is similar to the last Amendment which would remove the tax incentives that... of companies that are doing business in South Africa. And I ask for its adoption."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw, moves for the adoption of Amendment $2 to House Bill 1155. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would request the... to look into the germaneness of this Amendment."

"The Amendment is germane."

"Mr. Chairman, if you've ruled that the Amendment is germane, I move to have this... I'm speaking against this Amendment."

"Proceed, Sir."

"I don't believe that this Amendment belongs on this fine piece of legislation that both sides of this aisle had worked out in the Revenue Committee. And I feel as though the Members of the Assembly should be very cautious about allowing this Amendment to go on House Bill 1155. I believe there are other ways to approach the problems of South Africa without coming and bringing it in here on a daily basis to this General Assembly. And I certainly... I'm a sympathizer, and I'm very much in support of the problems that are happening over there; but, at the same time, we've got a job to do here, and I'd ask that the Members of this Assembly vote against this Amendment. Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I move to table the Amendment. It is not germane ог, in alternative, that it..."

"Well, I've rule, Mr. McCracken, that the 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 114th Legislative Day Amendment is germane."

"Single subject matter is violated. The Amendment has to do with tax credits, tax abatements, enterprise zone legislation, and the original Bill has to do only with the sales, occupation and use tax. It goes beyond the single subject matter. In fact, this deals with enterprise zone legislation, while the other deals with sales and use tax."

"We'll look at it. In the meantime, Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Will the Gentleman yield to a question, please?"

"He indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Does this Amendment deal with the United Nations at all, Representative Shaw?"

"No."

"I beg your pardon?"

"With the United Nation, you say?"

"With the United Nations."

"I don't think so, no."

"Well, what about certification from the United Nations? Is that entailed at all in the Amendment?"

"Not that I know of."

"Well, then, I think you better take your Amendment out of the record and read your Amendment, because your Amendment does deal with certification from the United Nations. And, you know, obviously I've got questions to ask in reference to the certification; but, if you don't know the Amendment, then it's pretty hard for me to ask you question in reference to the Amendment."

"Yes, I beg your pardon. It does deal with the United Nations."

"Okay. Explain to us, then, exactly what it deals with, as far as certification by the United Nations."

"Well, until the apartheid is abolished and certified by 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 the United Nations, the companies would not be permitted to receive the tax credits."

"What happens if apartheid is abolished and the United Nations does not come forward with a Resolution stating that it has been abolished? Which, things have been abolished and the United Nations have not come forward with a Resolution. Aren't you sort of dictating exactly what you want an international body to do?"

"I don't think... No, I don't think that I'm dictating what I want the United Nation... to be done."

"Well then, let me ask you a question. Is it stated in here that if apartheid is abolished and the United Nations does not establish... you know, come out with a Resolution, etcetera, whatever you want to have on here as far as your Amendment goes - that it has been abolished, what about these companies that have been taken to task for dealing with South Africa?"

"I don't believe that that would be any problem at the time that that was done, that the apartheid..."

"Well, but what I'm saying though, Representative, is that the Bill states precisely that these businesses cannot do business in Illinois until the United Nation does that, until the United Nation certifies this."

"Well then..."

"What I'm saying is what happens if... I mean, you're talking about apples and oranges here. You're talking about a situation where apartheid could be abolished, but the United Nations does nothing about it."

"Right. But then, if the United Nation would not certify that, then it's incumbent upon this Body to repeal the legislation."

"Why does... what I would suggest is that you put in, you know, exactly this type of thing. If you're going to come 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 in with a - what is it - a 60, 70 page Amendment, that that should be covered in the Amendment. You know, if..."

"I don't think so."

"... You know, it is abolished. I think when we as a state body start saying that we are not going to do anything until the United Nations, many times I think we overstep our bounds by stating that we will not do something until the Federal Government does it. But now we're talking about an international body. We're not even talking about, you know, a national body. We're talking about an international body, and you're saying that until they do something - and even if they don't do something, even though it's been cleared up - we are in violation of the law to have any businesses in Illinois doing this. So, what we're basically saying is if apartheid happens to be abolished, let's say, July 3rd, we're not in Session until the next January, none of these businesses can do anything as far as expanding or growing or starting in Illinois, if this Amendment were to be adopted, for six months. Now, don't you think this is an anti-business Amendment?"

"No, it's not. I think the..."

"Well, then you'd better read your Amendment."

"I think the businesses is anti-people."

"Ladies and... to the Amendment, Mr. Speaker. To the Amendment. I would ask everybody in this House - we're talking about a 56 page Amendment - I would ask everybody in the House to closely read this Amendment before they vote on this type of thing, if, in fact, the Chair, you know, determines that it is germane, which I do not think it is."

"Well, the Chair has already ruled that it is germane. The Chair also would advise you, Mr. McCracken, as to your inquiry, that we took into consideration in 46  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 making our original ruling on germaneness the notion of a single subject matter, and we find that it is in the general, generic, single subject matter and is appropriate. Mr. Keane. Mr. Keane."

"Thank you... Thank you, Mr... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Amendment. He heard this Bill has become an Amendment - was before the Revenue Committee as a Bill. You're going to see this Amendment on a number of Bills as we go through Second Readings, and we may as well have a full discussion on it now so that we could either vote it up or down and be sort of done with it. The reason for opposition... that I have opposition to the Bill, we went through... It's a complicated Amendment. It was a complicated Bill. But there are many deficiencies in it and basically it doesn't do what the Sponsor intended it to do. According to the various departments that are brought into the operation of the Bill, it's impossible to administer. And, therefore, I think there are better ways for the Sponsor to meet the goals that he wants to meet rather than through this vehicle. And I oppose the Amendment."

"Lady from Cook Ms. Braun."

"Thank you. Mr... Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The issue is not the United Nations. In fact, the United Nations may be abolished, Representative, before apartheid is. The point is that whether or not we in Illinois are going to give tax breaks to companies which support apartheid and which support the slavery of the black people in South Africa. I think the Amendment is not only germane, but it is appropriate and would be a way that we can send a signal that our tax laws in Illinois are not going to be used to benefit the supporters of apartheid and that repugnant system in that part of the world. I urge 47  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 your support for the Amendment."

"Mr. McCracken, did you wish to address the Bill now? Alright, Sir, proceed."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates that he will."

"Representative, what type of subsidiary would be subject to this Bill? For example, would it be only wholly owned subsidiaries, or how much ownership interest, if any, applies or triggers this Bill?"

"It said... the Bill, I... The Amendment says any subsidiary, I believe."

"So, it could be less than a majority interest in a particular firm. Right?"

"It could, yes."

"Okay. Now, you propose to take away the investment credit under the Enterprise Zone Act?"

"Right."

"And that would be triggered only if the subsidiary, say, invested funds in any stock of the Republic of South Africa or national corporation or any corporation organized under the laws of the Republic of South Africa. Now, that would include foreign corporations doing business in South Africa, is that right?"

"If the parent company subsidiary is located in Illinois and receiving a tax credit."

"Well, it's the corporation or any subsidiary which invests funds in any stock or other obligation of the Republic of South Africa. How does that work? You mean, if an Illinois company were doing business in South Africa, then its Illinois parent or subsidiary would be subject to these santions. Is that right?"

"That's right."

"And if a foreign corporation were doing business with 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 a... or had a subsidiary in Illinois and it... the parent invested in South Africa, then this would come into play. Is that correct?"

"If they were receiving tax credits, yes."

"Now, do you know if any of these types of companies with that relationship are currently within enterprise zones in Illinois?"

"We'll find out as soon as you pass this Amendment."

"So, you're saying you don't know. You don't know."

"No, I don't have all that information."

"Alright. Is there any other tax related sanction other than the enterprise zone investment credit that applies in this Bill? Any other sanction?"

"No."

"So, it's the enterprise zone investment credit only and we..."

"No, no, no. It... no, no. It would be all the companies that are... not only those that are located in enterprise zones. It would be all of the companies that receive the..."

"Do you know what determines whether a company is eligible for the investment credit?"

"No, I expect to find out as soon as we adopt this Amendment."

"Okay. To the Bill. I also think this is an inappropriate vehicle for this legislation. Representative Keane makes a good point that it should be discussed on the merits, however. So, I'll proceed to that. If you look at the language of this Bill, it allows the most tenuous of connections to determine whether or not this sanction will be employed. This enterprise zone credit is designed for the very purpose of going into what are often black communities, promoting business in black communities, 49  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 which, in turn, produces jobs in black communities. So, for the sake of some ceremonial statement over which the State of Illinois has no control, over which the United States of America has no control - this is even delegated to the United Nations finding of no apartheid - we are going to give up something positive in the State of Illinois. We're going to deny tax credits to the investments made in enterprise zones in the State of Illinois based on this most attenuated connection. It's bad public policy. It's tied to the wrong vehicle. I ask for a 'no' vote. And if it appears to get a requisite number, I ask for a verification."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I agree with the Sponsors intention on this Amendment; however, I think he's going around the wrong way on this because this Amendment, the passage of this Amendment would probably hurt the people who need our help the most. I have an enterprise zone in my district, and the businesses would be hurt because this Amendment is so vague. It's constructed in such a way that you really couldn't even enforce it. So, I think that his intention is laudable, but I don't think we should put this Amendment on. And I would urge a 'no' vote."

"Yes, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I find this to be a most interesting Amendment, and I think that all of us ought to stop and think about the ramifications of this particular Amendment. As I have listened to the debate, it would appear that what this Amendment does is to say that a company which does business in South Africa cannot avail itself of the tax abatement procedures available to all other companies if it locates in an 50  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 enterprise zone. Now, think about that for a second. Because we don't like the system of government in South Africa, we're going to deprive a company that locates in an enterprise zone a tax abatement. What that really says is that because we don't like the government of South Africa and the policies under which it operates, that we are going to cause more black and poor Americans to be unemployed. That's the policy behind this Amendment. We don't want the jobs in enterprise zones for blacks and underprivileged Americans because we don't like the government of South Africa. Instead of that, we're going to raise welfare rates. We're going to put more people on public aid. We're going to deprive people who want to work, who have dignity and pride and want to work, of the right to have jobs because we don't like South Africa. That's the policy behind this Amendment. I think it's an outrageous policy and no one who claims about poor, underprivileged black people would vote for this Amendment. I urge a "no" vote on this Amendment."

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentlemen yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Shaw, did I understand you to say that this Bill pertains only to enterprise zones areas and that's the only sanction contained in this Amendment?"

"No, you didn't understand me to say that."

"And then would you tell me what the other sanctions are that are in this Bill?"

"Any company that's receiving a tax credit in Illinois that's located in South Africa or a subsidiary doing business with South Africa."

"And then, you're talking about sales tax and income tax and real estate property tax and any other tax 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 114th Legislative Day Shaw: exemptions." "Right." Churchill: Shaw: to "So, in other words, if a company bought equipment do oil well drilling and that equipment now receives a sales tax exemption under a Bill that was passed a year or so ago, then they would lose those sales tax exemptions." "That's the intent of the legislation." Churchill: has a "Okay. And there's a Member in the Body right now who has been proposing Bills on sales tax exemption equipment and all those different types of ... for coal equipment all of those types of farm machinery equipment. If there is a company that does that kind of business and purchases that equipment, they lose their sales tax exemption. That's what you're saying."

"Right."

"Okay. Tell me a little bit about the certification process that we have to go through to determine whether or not apartheid has been abolished. How does the United Nations do that?"

"Well, I think that the United Nation that, and I think they would go have a handle on through the normal procedure."

"Is there a normal procedure for determining apartheid in the world?"

"No, because I think this is the only one that I know of that existed."

"So, then, how could they have a normal procedure? What kind of procedure would they use?" Shaw:

"The one that they have used in other countries." "But you just said that there weren't any other countries that had apartheid."

"I don't know of any others existing today."

"I'm having difficulty trying to determine how we are 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 going to get a certification that apartheid has been abolished if there is no place right now where that certification process is in form. You're saying here that we have to have the certification. How do we get a certification if there can't be one?"

"Well, I think that the new government of South Africa would petition the United Nations for that certification."

"That's a government that does not exist today."

"Right."

"So, in other words, you're creating an Amendment here in the State of Illinois for a government that does not exist today."

"No, that's not... that's not the case at all."

"Well, what government are we talking about then?"

"You asked a question."

"I have."

"And I just answered that question. But I do expect that the government... the government to change in South Africa."

"Will this certificate be filed here in the State of Illinois? How do we know? How are we going to find out?"

"All that's necessary and all the Amendment speaks to is that it has to be certified by the United Nation."

"Alright. Let me ask you some questions about the businesses that may lose these various tax exemptions. You have under the Amendment any firm, corporation, agency, association, bank, financial institution, or other business entity or subsidiary thereof. Now, let me ask you this. If there were bank located in an enterprise zone that is perhaps the financial hub of the enterprise zone, and it has a trust department, and that trust department has various stocks and bonds and loans and notes in it, and perhaps one of the stocks in that trust department belonged 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day to a company May 7, 1986 defined in your Amendment, would that bank then lose its tax exemptions?"

"The... the idea behind the Amendment is to get the companies out of South Africa."

"But aren't you getting the companies... I mean, you're getting the companies out of the enterprise zone is what you're doing."

"We want to keep them with the tax credit but we want to get them out of South Africa. And the Amendment speaks for itself."

"But perhaps if someone had a trust with a bank and that person was an individual that did not even live in the enterprise zone and they deposited various stocks in the trust, according to this Amendment, that bank would lose all of its enterprise zone status."

"But I think the Amendment speaks for itself."

"Well, unfortunately, it does, and it doesn't speak to these most important circumstances. Let me ask... let me ask you another question."

"That's in... that's in your mind, Representative."

"Hell, perhaps it is. Let me ask you this. Now, you're talking about a subsidiary. If Corporation A has a subsidiary Corporation B and Corporation B is doing business in South Africa, then Corporation A loses its tax exemptions. Is that correct?"

"We're not taking anything from anybody if they get out of South Africa. If they stay in South Africa, then we are removing the tax credit. But they don't have to lose their tax credit if they stop doing business in South Africa."

"But if Corporation A owns stock in Corporation B and Corporation B is doing business in South Africa, then Corporation A loses its tax exemptions." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"What was the... what was the question?"

"Two corporations, A and B Shaw: okay? A May 7, 1986 111 make it simple. owns B. B is doing business in South Africa. loses the tax exemptions, right?" "Right."

"If you had three corporations, A, B and C..."

"No, that does not... no, no."

"C did..."

"No, that does not apply." Churchill:

"Well then, what is the definition of subsidiary? A You have subsidiary in here. The Amendment says subsidiary. I'm just trying to determine, because it's very easy for corporations to own other different corporations and own stock and loans and bonds in corporations. to You can go down several layers. And I'm trying determine how many different layers do we have to go down to determine whether a corporation is doing business in South Africa? It can be very confusing. And your Amendment doesn't answer that, and I'm trying to find out your intent. Representative Shaw, have you lost your hearing ОГ... Oh, down. Lost the strength of your leg." Iu think he's being dilatory and he's... answering anymore questions about this."

"If the issue does not merit this type of you've sat and I'm not discussion, then this Amendment does not merit being placed on this Bill. I would ask for a Roll Call for and I think we ought to vote it down now. And everytime that it comes up on a Revenue because Committee Bill, I think we ought to vote it down, Representative Shaw has placed this on every Revenue Bill that's come out of Revenue Committee."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Excuse me. Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you Vinson: seek recognition?" Mr. Speaker, I would move that the word "more" be struck in the records of this House for Mr. Shaw's last when he said would not answer anymore questions." Speaker Greiman: statement "I will provide that with the appropriate ruling. It's not in order. Proceed, Mr. Bowman."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm really glad the Gentleman from DeWitt got up and made that wisecrack, because I think it reflects what we have been seeing and hearing on the floor of the House for the last many minutes from the other side of the aisle. It seems to me that trivialization of there has been, from the other side, a this issue, an attempt to be dilatory, attempt to just prolong the nitpicking and there has not really been an address to the substance of the legislation and I would object to the line of questioning and the wisecracks and the wise remarks from the people who are speaking in opposition to this. I will simply say that we ought to deal with this issue reasonably and once and for all. As it has been observed, Representative Shaw has offered this on every Revenue Bill. I think we need to give this issue serious consideration that it deserves and we have not been getting that from the other side. Lastly, let me just say In support of this particular proposal, it seems to me that if we are providing public benefits to private organizations, then those private organizations have an affirmative obligation to the taxpayers that the money that the taxpayers are providing and that the benefits that the taxpayers are providing not be used for purposes which are antithetical to the stated public policies of this state and the conduct of governmental policies in South Africa are definitely antithetical to the policies that are trying 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 to promote in the State of Illinois. That is the substantive issue here. It is not being addressed by the opponents. It is high time that we begin focusing attention on the real issue. I rise in support of this Amendment."

"Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker. Would the... would the Sponsor of this Amendment yield?"

"Yes, excuse me."

"Hr. Shaw..."

"Wait. Excuse me. Mr. Shaw, do you yield for questions? Mr. Shaw."

"No."

"No. Proceed, Mr. Hastert."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Shaw, in the Committee that we discussed some of these issues in, was quite concerned about the issues that... like issues of this in 'Berundy', Zaire and 'Berundy", three countries just north of South Africa. And he said that he would be interested in getting involved in that because they have very like issues. And of course, several years ago, in the late 1970's, there were actually tens of thousands of people murdered in 'Murundy' by people from 'Berundy'. And, you know, certainly those types of issues there are... you know, exist there. There's investments in those countries and he hasn't expanded his Amendments to cover those countries, certainly, where both people that were black and white that were killed, were slaughtered because of policies in those nations. And until he addresses those issues too, I would ask that we would vote negatively on this Amendment."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan."

"Yeah, I move the previous question." 57  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Mr. Ronan has moved that the previous question be put. Those in favor say 'aye... vote 'aye", those opposed vote "no". Those opposed vote 'aye', those opposed... those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote "no". This is on the previous question. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 56 voting... 59... 60 voting 'aye', 52 voting 'no", none voting 'present'. The Motion fails. Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I also must vote against the Amendment. But I don't think it's necessary today to malign the Sponsor of the Bill. He finds it reprehensible the practices of apartheid as practiced in South Africa. I think he should be commended for his stance for that position, not ridiculed. My opposition, however, is because I think the intended result by the Sponsor would not come to pass should this Amendment be effectuated into law. The Sponsor has indicated that he is hopeful that those firms located within enterprise zones would, if this became law, divest themselves of their holdings in South Africa and, thereby, continue to take advantage of the incentives in the enterprise zones. My fear is that that is not what the outcome would be but, rather, that companies who may be looking to locate in an enterprise zone, which was created in blighted areas throughout the state in communities desperately trying to compete on a national scale for job opportunities for their unemployed and poor, would find that they had a new obstacle built in by the Illinois Legislature in engaging in that competition and that the actual result would be the loss of jobs not, as the Sponsor intends, the divestiture action by those companies. And for that reason, I must oppose the Amendment, although I commend the Sponsor for bringing this matter which we should all find 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 reprehensible, the practice of apartheid in South Africa, before us. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Brookins."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I would imagine that my colleague, Mr. Shaw, brought this action, this Amendment, because the constituents in his district is demanding that they pull their tax investment out of South Africa, investment in South Africa. There are 11 million blacks in the State of Illinois and, theoretically, their tax dollars is going to help support the enslavement of their brothers and sisters in Africa. In my district also I'm receiving those demands to pull our money out of South Africa, to pull our pension monies out of South Africa, to pull our tax investments out of South Africa. And, therefore, I must rise in support of Representative Shaw in this action. This will start and it will cause businesses to look at their investments and bring them out. This will then cause one of the worst governments in the world to reform. So, with that, I support and ask for an 'aye' vote on this Amendment."

"Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this Amendment. And, in certain ways, it will be somewhat redundant to what Representative Homer said, because it appears that we're talking about jobs. We're talking about creating an enterprise zone in which we're asking people to come to and invest in the State of Illinois, an enterprise zone for the most worthy of our people, the most worthy of the people of the State of Illinois. And in some ways, the people that would be most benefited are those that the Sponsor of this Amendment seek to represent. And, yet, at the same time, we're placing yet another restriction upon who may come in 59  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 and how they may invest. As a consequence, we're talking jobs. That's not the intent, I'm certain, of the Sponsor of this Amendment. But that's the effect. The effect is that we're going to be denying jobs to those people who need them the most. We're going to be denying opportunities to those for whom opportunity has not come in a long time. So, I have to rise in opposition of this because we are, in essence, opposing jobs for the people of Illinois. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

"Mr. Shaw, to close, there being no further discussion."

"Yes, it's been some very interesting discussion here this afternoon, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Someone even said that this would... inferred that this would only... the enterprise zone would only apply to blacks. That's not true. It applies to the poor all over this state. Someone referred to... they agreed with the Amendment, but it was the wrong way to go. I remember, in the 1940's and 50's, that blacks in this country were suffering many of the same things that blacks are suffering in South Africa. And the wrong way to go... We was going to the back door. We couldn't get around to the front door and that was the argument at that time. And people here in this Assembly should remember those days and many of the Members of this House have a black constituency, a minority constituency, in their respective district. And if they want to do something for their constituency, they should support this legislation. I'm surprised at the other side of the aisle. They get up and make those great speeches about the great emancipator which happens to have been a Republican back in 1860. But today they have gotten on this floor and talk about, you should keep the people of South Africa in bondage. I don't know what's wrong with 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 114th Legislative Day those people. Here you got people that cannot be citizens in their own country. And in 1986, you've got this Body which have an opportunity today to be a leader in this Nation. This state has an opportunity to be a leader to the rest of the Nation in supporting this Amendment. They will tell you, say, 'Well, this is not the way. We shouldn't do nothing. It will work itself out on its own." But the problems of the south that blacks had in this country have not worked themselves out on their own. When the little children... and the former police superintendent sicked the dogs on the children and womens of Alabama, it was only then that it was brought to the conscience of the American people. And I don't see why they don't understand this today. But in South Africa, they have cut off the news media. They don't show you what's happening there and how many people are being killed daily. But yet we have companies in this state who are over there financing the government who are killing black folks in their own country, 22 million of them. There was a lot of blacks killed in this country, but it's been some 30 years ago and people have forgotten that. But those of us who suffered remember and those of you who have constituency of color should remember. Because if you don't remember, they will remember you, because they are in support of this legislation and you cannot go back to your district and talk about this was the wrong Bill, this was a wrong way to do it. Those people sent you here to make a decision and you should make that decision. And you should make it in the best interest of the people of South Africa, the majority. Those of us who represent people and especially those of us who are in government, we talk about what a great free Nation that we live in and talk about majority rule. What about the people of South Africa? Are those 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 human beings? Nobody wants this Amendment attached to their Bill. I can understand that, but you should not want the government of a minority shooting black folks in South Africa and then go back to the blacks that you have voted against and tell them you want their support. That is unfortunate. And I want a Roll Call vote. And I urge the passage of this Amendment."

"Question is, "Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 28 voting 'aye', 70 voting 'no', 7 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Hastert."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert, on Floor Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment is rather simple after the last one. What this does is it's an agreed Amendment. It's a cleanup Amendment. It deals with the used car tax cleanup. And in the question of the original Bill, if somebody buys a used car and takes a car in trade, they're only taxed between... You signaling to me, Sir? No. The only thing is that they can deduct the taxability of that. We're saying that they have to do that... both have to file so that we can at least establish what the cost of the trade in value of the car is. That's... It's a technical piece of... It's agreed on by the Department of Revenue and by both sides of the aisle. Ask for its passage."

"Gentleman from Kendall has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1155. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?" May 7, 1986

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Hastert, this involves the tax that we passed last year that I think we used to fund Build Illinois, one of the taxes we used to fund Build Illinois."

"It does affect the used car tax, yes."

"Do you remember... do you know how much money we've collected on that used car tax?"

"I really don't know. Representative. What this does... Representative Mulcahey had this Bill, and this is a technical cleanup to his Bill."

"Well, I think... I'm in favor of it. I think it's more than a technical cleanup. I mean, isn't it designed to make sure people don't trade cars in an attempt not to have this tax applied to them?"

"Well, it's intended, if people do trade cars, you trade cars with your neighbor, for example, that his car - and this is the intent - I'm talking about Representative Mulcahey's Bill - that they are only taxed on the difference of the cost of the cars, not the total cost of the car. Okay?"

"In that case it would be... have the effect of limiting..."

"So, what I'm saying, what this does is a technical Amendment of... to Representative Mulcahey's Bill saying that at least they both have to file so there's a determination on what the cost of the trade in car is. That's all my Amendment does."

"Well, is Mulcahey's Bill on this Bill?"

"This is an Amendment to Mulcahey's Bill. It's a Committee Bill. You best ask Mulcahey when the Bill comes for debate."

"Okay. Do you know how much money this will..." 63  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"I really don't... I don't know what the amount of dollars is. My Amendment doesn't affect the amount of dollars. All it does is ask for verification of a value of a car."

"Okay, thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"Will this reduce the amount of tax collected?"

"My Amendment will not reduce anything. All my Amendment does is ask for a verification of what the value of the trade in was. Representative Mulcahey would have to ask that when he talks about his part of the Bill."

"So, you are, in effect, by this Amendment, treating used car sales where there is a trade in the same as at a dealership on a new car."

"No. My Amendment merely defines what the value of the trade in is. Representative Mulcahey's Bill, as I understand it, allows people to deduct ability on a trade in."

"I see."

"This is a definition Amendment."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I rise in suppport of this Amendment of Representative Hastert. It was a Committee Amendment. It was an Amendment that was resolved on both sides of the aisle in the Revenue Committee, and we support it."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall Amendment 3 be adopted? Those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." May 7, 1986

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1227. Ms. Younge, do you wish to proceed on that? Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 1236, Ms. Younge? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1236, a Bill for an Act to create the Enterprise High School Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"The Lady... Yes, are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Yes, I'm sorry. There's a fiscal note filed. The Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. I'm sorry. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"House Bill 1245, Representative Steczo. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. House Bill 1302, Representative Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 1321, Representative Keane - Churchill. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1321, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Shaw."

"Representative Shaw. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Shaw, on Amendment #2."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, this is the similar Amendment that we 65  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 heard on the last Bill, and the only thing that I'm asking for is a Roll Call vote on the Amendment, and I ask that the Amendment be adopted. And this is removing tax credits from companies that are doing business in South Africa. If those companies choose to not do business with South Africa, they would not lose the tax credit. I ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman has... this is an issue that has just recently been debated in lengthy fashion. We hopefully will not have to go to an extreme on that. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #2."

"Yes, I don't believe the Amendment's been printed."

"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been printed. It has not been printed and distributed, Representative Shaw. Representative Keane, what is your pleasure."

"I would like to move the Bill to Third."

"Mr. Shaw. Representative Shaw, this Amendment has not been printed and distributed. The Sponsor would like to move his Bill to Third Reading. Would you consent to withdraw your Amendment?"

"I'll withdraw the Amendment."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Are there any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1332, Representative Pangle. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1332, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Emergency Medical Services System Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed." 66  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1442, Representative Braun - Huff. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1442, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to state revenue sharing with local governmental entities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 81 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Shaw."

"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? It has not been printed and distributed, Representative Shaw. The Gentleman is not even in the chamber. Representative Braun, what is your pleasure?"

"Move to table the Amendment."

"The Lady moves to table Amendment 82. All those in favor say 'aye', all those... She's not the Sponsor of the Amendment. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I would certainly oppose the Lady's Motion, if the Motion is properly made. I think the Members have a right to have their Amendments considered on this House floor. We opposed an attempt by Mr. Terzich to table an Amendment. We opposed that because we thought Mr. Klemm had the right to have his Amendment heard. While I might disagree with the substance of Mr. Shaw's Amendment, he is a Member of this chamber, elected by his district to come down here and represent them, and I think that it's atrocious that a Member would try to deprive him of his right to offer an Amendment." 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Is there any further discussion on the issue? Representative Braun, on the Amendment."

"To the wit from DeWitt, the Gentleman is not on the floor, Representative Vinson. Thank you."

"The Gentle... Representative Vinson, you have already spoken on the Motion. That is not a proper response. I realize it is done, however, but it is not a proper response. Representative... Is there any other discussion on the Motion? Representative Vinson, state your point."

"As a point of order, Madam Speaker, and to Representative Braun, this is the second day on Second Reading and I don't think that there's any problem in giving Mr. Shaw his day in court tomorrow with his Amendment."

"The Motion is to table Representative Shaw's Amendment #2. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "nay". In the ... We'll have a Roll Call vote. All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This requires a majority of those voting in order to table. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mulcahey wishes to be recorded as 'aye'. Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"I thought I'd explain my vote."

"Proceed, Sir. One minute."

"For those people who are interested in press releases, they should really consider how they're voting on this Amendment. I think that some people should be very concerned about how they vote because it might be misconstrued. So, however you vote, have a good reason for it."

"Representative Vinson, for what reason do you 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day seek recognition?" May 7, 1986

"Should the Lady's Motion attempt to... appear to get the requisite number of votes, I request a Verification of the Affirmative Roll Call."

"Very good. Vote your own switches, Ladies and Gentlemen. There has been a request for a verification. Have all voted who wish? This requires a majority of those voting in order to pass. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 53 voting 'aye', 54 voting 'no' and 4 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. The Bill remains on Second Reading. House Bill 1451, Representative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1451, a Bill for an Act in relation to river conservacy districts and amending certain Acts therein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Motions filed or Floor Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Third Reading. Excuse me. There is a Floor Amendment. Proceed."

"Floor Amendment 31, offered by Representative Rea."

"Representative Rea. Out of the record. House Bill 1613. Is that out of the record, Sir? Out of the record. House Bill 1647, Representative Terzich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1647, a Bill for an Act concerning the manufacture, sale and display of fireworks. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 31 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed." 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1675, Representative Anthony Young. Anthony Young. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1676, Anthony Young. Out of the record. House Bill 1699, Wyvetter Younge. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1699, a Bill for an Act to create the Urban Civilian Youth Service to address the problem of unemployment among youths in urban areas. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hyvetter Younge."

"Representative Younge."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #1 would change the Department that is involved in this Bill from the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to the Department of Conservation. I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Are you finished presenting the Amendment, Representative?"

"Yes."

"She is. The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1699. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Madam Speaker, has the Amendment been printed and distributed?"

"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? It has not. Representative Younge, it has not been filed. Please note..."

"It hasn't even been filed?" 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Excuse me. It has not been printed and distributed. The Clerk also informs me, Representative Younge, that a fiscal note request has been filed, if the Amendment is put on. So, be prepared for that. House Bill 1865, Representative Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1865, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted previously."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Dunn."

"Representative Dunn."

"Floor Amendment #2 would drastically limit the scope of the application of this legislation. The Amendment will provide, if adopted, that the legislation will apply only to ADC cases, and this is legislation which would enable those who are eligible to continue to receive a green card and Medicaid benefits while they are at work because they probably can't get health insurance. With the adoption of this Amendment, the legislation would apply only to ADC cases and the fiscal impact of the legislation would be reduced from numbers which were large and varied all over the board, but some people said six to seven million. The Amendment would reduce the impact fiscally of this legislation to 241,000 dollars statewide. And I would ask for adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1865."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1865. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"This Bill has a fiscal note requested, Representative Dunn. So, the Bill has to remain on Second Reading.”

"I understand that."

"Representative Vinson, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Just to draw your attention to that fact."

"Yes, it's printed on the Calendar. House Bill 1945, Representative Churchill. Out of the record. House Bill 2015, Representative Peterson. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2015, a Bill for an Act relating to the working cash fund in certain counties. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 2044, Representative Kirkland. Representative Kirkland. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2044, a Bill for..."

"Out of the record. House Bill 2060, Representative Churchill. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2060, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Low Level Radioactive Waste Management Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2073, Representative 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Phelps. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2073, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Phelps."

"Representative Phelps."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment 1 to House Bill 2073 was agreed between the Director of the Department and myself that the attention was given too much to a word saying 'division'; whereas, we have agreed to make it an office of co-development in the Department of Energy, Environment and Natural Resource. So, I would just move to accept the Amendment 1."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2873. {sic - 2073} And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No... No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2093, Representative Braun. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2093, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Social Workers Registration Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2279, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 2409, Representative Greiman - Stern. Greiman - Stern. Out of 73  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 the record. House Bill 2459, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Out of the record. House Bill 2529, out of the record. House Bill 2537, Representative Braun. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2537, a Bill for an Act in relation to the continuing appropriation and authorizing payments to certain public aid recipients. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendment."

"Are there Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2549, Representative Ronan Kubik. Ronan Kubik. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2549, a Bill for an Act to create the China Development Corporation of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Turning to page eight on our Calendar appears House Bill 2552, Representative Curran. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2552, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Comptroller Act and the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2564, Representative Shaw Anthony Young. Out of the record. House Bill 2573, Representative McNamara. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2573, a Bill for an Act concerning missing children. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative McNamara."

"Representative McNamara."

"Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Amendment #2 merely clarifies the language as far as what information is required in order for the person filing the records. It is to address one of the concerns brought up in Committee, and it's just merely a clarification of that language."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2573. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2583, Representative Preston. Representative Preston. Out of the record. House Bill 2585, out of the record. House Bill 2587, Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman. Out of the record. House Bill 2596. Representative Wolf. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2596, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 01 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986

"This Bill has a fiscal note requested, according to the Calendar. Mr. Clerk, has that been filed?"

"Fiscal note is not filed."

"The Bill has to remain on the Order of Second Reading, Mr. Wolf. Representative Holf."

"Madam Chairman, would you have the Clerk re-check that? It's my understanding that the fiscal note has been filed."

"Representative Wolf, we will have to call upstairs to check that."

"Thank you."

"We will come right back to that as soon as we have the information from the Clerk's Office. Meanwhile, we will move to House Bill 2612, Representative McNamara. Out of the record. House Bill 2620, Representative Countryman. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2620, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Uniform Commercial Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2622, Representative DeLeo. Representative DeLeo. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2622, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Wolf, on House Bill 2596, the Clerk's Office informs me that no fiscal note has been filed. So, the Bill will remain on the Order 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 of Second Reading until you can clear that up. Continuing on on page eight, Ladies and Gentlemen, appears House Bill 2630, Representative Greiman Wolf. It's already moved to Third Reading. Very good. House Bill 2635, Representative Rea. Out of the record. House Bill 2656, Currie. Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 2666, out of the record. Excuse me. Excuse me. House Bill 2666. Are there any Motions filed?"

"Motion. Being the Principle Sponsor of House Bill 2666 and pursuant to House Rule 37(h), I recommit my Bill to Interim Study Calendar in the Committee in which it was heard. Representative LeFlore."

"This Bill, House Bill 2666, is recommitted automatically to the Order of Interim Study. Representative Currie has returned to the chamber. With leave of the Body, we will go back to her Bill, House Bill 2656. Representative Vinson objects to going back to Representative Currie's Bill. Representative Currie, for what reason do you rise?"

"A point of order, Madam Speaker. Is it permitted in the rules for him to object to going back to a Bill that was just skipped over on the Calendar?"

"He have gone back on courtesy, Representative Currie. If you would like to go over and talk to Representative Vinson, I'm sure he will be courteous. Meanwhile, we are going on to page nine on our Calendar. House Bill 2667, Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. House Bill 2670, out of the record. House Bill 2680, Representative LeFlore. Out of the record. House Bill 2693, Representative Churchill. Out of the record. House Bill 2700, Representative Richmond. Out of the record. House Bill 2709, Representative Dunn. John Dunn. Out of the record. House 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 House Bill 2711, Representative Nash. Out of the record. Bill 2715, Representative Brookins. Out of the record. House Bill 2717, Representative Shaw Flowers. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2717, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Mo..."

"Any Motions? Any Floor..."

"No Motions and no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2720, Representative Stern. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2720, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2734, Representative Hartke. Representative Hartke. Out of the record. House Bill 2735, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 2757, Representative Giorgi Hallock. Giorgi Hallock. Out of the record. House Bill 2765, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2765, a Bill for an Act to authorize sheriffs fees for executing arrests and search warrants. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Are there any Floor Amendments? Representative Capparelli, would you mind taking the Bill out of the record for a moment? Okay, thank you. Out of the record. House Bill 2771, Representative Alexander. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2771, a Bill for an Act to amend 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." May 7, 1986 the Bill.

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Alexander."

"Representative Alexander."

"Thank you. To the Members of the House, Amendment #2 places the Bill back into its original alpha postular. This Amendment says we're changing the words 'educational operations' to 'operation', and in the last portion we're resubmitting, as it was in the original Bill, the lines, 'and he shall also submit to the General Superintendent evaluation of all other personnel assigned to the attendance center'. I ask for the adoption of this Amendment."

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2771. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, I wonder if the Sponsor would yield?"

"She will."

"Do I understand that the Amendment would work so as to negate the impact of the Amendment adopted in Committee?"

"In the Secondary Educational Committee, I informed that Committee as a body that I was gutting my original Bill that came out 17 zip-zip because of negotiations between all persons involved in this litigation. After six hours of negotiation options were presented to each faction. They decided to exercise their options among their membership. As the Bill left the Committee room, I was advised by one of the persons involved that they could not go with any of the three options. I had informed all 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 persons involved that if it could not accept fifties/fifties or forty-five/fifty-five splits in order to move this piece of legislation, I would return it to its original Bill form. As the Amendment to read now, #2. it is the Bills original form."

"Representative, would you tell me who the parties to these negotiations were?"

"The parties to the negotiations, the Operating Engineers and the Principle Association of the City of Chicago, myself, staff members from the Chicago Board of Education and a member from the Speaker's Staff, Mr. Gary LaPaille."

"Was the Superintendent of the Chicago School District a party to the negotiations?"

"I don't hear you, Hr. Vinson. I did not hear your first word, please."

"What?"

"I did not hear your first word."

"Was the Superintendent of the Chicago School District a party to these negotiations?"

"He was a party to these negotiations via his liaison person here in Springfield."

"Alright. Now, the Operating Engineers, are they for or against the posture the Bill would be in were this Amendment to be adopted?"

"There would have been no need for a six hour negotiations if all parties were agreed to the subject matter. That's number one. Number two, all parties were given three options to take back to their various associations. They agreed to do so. This Bill has been pending for some time, waiting for some response. The only response that I have had had been from the Operating Engineers who has reneged on all three options which would 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 have brought the Bill into a fifty-fifty split between the agreed parties or persons and now they want to say, The Bill can't go, and I believe I have a right to have this matter heard before you and the rest of this General Assembly."

"You certainly do. But I still don't understand the answer to my question. Are the Operating Engineers against what this Bill would be if this Amendment is adopted?"

"You know they would be against it. Why would they now..."

"They're not against it?"

"They are against it."

"Okay. The Principles' Association, where would they be on the Bill?"

"What did you say, Mr. Vinson."

"Where would the Principles Association be if this Amendment were adopted? Are they for the Amendment?"

"They are strongly in support of it, 100 percent."

"What about the Board of Education?"

"They are strongly behind it, 100 percent."

"Now, if I understand what the Amendment does, the Amendment will place the people who operate the boilers in the schools under the direction of the principal of the school. Is that right?"

"The Bill would say that the principal, as in your home there is always a head and not a triad supervising person, would be in charge of the school. We do not look at engineers operating otherwise when problems arises in school. We hold the principals responsible."

"Yeah, but am I right that the principal would then be in charge of the people who operate the boilers?"

"They would be in charge of all personnel assigned to their respective schools." 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"Okay, May 7, 1986 now, who currently supervises the people that run the boilers?"

"A supervising engineer."

"A supervising engineer?"

"Yes, or the engineer on the premises."

"Is the supervising engineer in the individual school, or is he at the board level?"

"Sometime. There is an engineer, presumably, in every school who reports to his supervising engineer who reports to a district supervising engineer. There's a whole series or chain of command where work is not being done because of this series of commands."

"Okay. Now, if I understand what you're saying here properly, there are two chains of authority. Education personnel reports to the principal, to the hierarchy at the Board of Education and maintenance workers and boiler people and so forth report through a separate parallel chain of authority. Is that the way the system works?"

"No."

"It's not?"

"No."

"Okay. Tell me how it works then."

"The... Are you talking about the Amendment or the Bill?"

"The way it works right now."

"The way it works now?"

"Yeah." Alexander:

"The Bill or the Amendment?" "The way the system works right now. The way the Board of Education works right now."

"I thought we were on the Amendment, now. whether or not this House would decide to pass it or not, and I will speak to how it works when this chamber listens to the Bill 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day in its entirety. Either vote it up attorney... Representative Vinson." May 7, 1986 or vote it down,

"You won't to tell us now how things work?"

"I won't tell you now? Are you saying that?"

"Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how things work."

"I thought we were speaking to the Amendment, whether the Amendment was worthy of being accepted by this House."

"Yeah, and the Amendment, as you say, makes a substantial change.

"It is the Bill. The Amendment is the Bill."

"And it makes... it makes a change..."

"And we are not discussing the Bill."

"... in the way the system currently functions, is that right?"

"Yes, that is the Bill."

"And I'm just trying to figure out how the system currently functions so I can decide whether I'm for the Amendment or not. I'm not necessarily against your Amendment, but I want to understand it."

"I know you're not against it."

"What?"

"I know you're not against it."

"Well, would you explain to me... Am I right in believing that currently there are two parallel chains of command?"

"That is correct."

"One for educational personnel and one for maintenance and operating personnel."

"That is correct."

"And under your Amendment, which would become the Bill, there would be a single chain of command."

"That is correct." Now the top engineer in the current system, does

"Okay. he report to Mr. Byrd?" 83  114th Legislative Day

"Mr. who?

"Yes. Yes." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 Byrd? Superintendent Byrd?"

"No, he goes through a series of commands upward."

"No, I'm talking about the top engineer over the whole educational system."

"The whole..."

"Does he report to Mr. Byrd?"

"I presume he does. I would say, yes, he probably does. I cannot say for sure to clarity."

"And Mr. Byrd is for or against this change in the law."

"He is for this change. It is a part of the educational package for the City of Chicago."

"And why is the change desireable?"

"Because of a lack of communication between the personnel in the various schools."

"Now, currently in the School Code I think we specify the qualifications for principals. Is that not correct?"

"That is correct."

"Is there any training in boiler room operations for principals?"

"I presume there is."

"There is?"

"I presume that there would have to be some training."

"And that's required in our laws that specify..."

"I don't know whether it's in the law or by trade."

"I don't think it is. To the Bill or to the Amendment..."

"Thank you."

"... Madam Speaker. I like simplified change of command, clear accountability, clear lines of authority in government. I think it makes a lot of sense, and I think often government is slow and wasteful because you have these overlapping chains. I think on occasion the benefits 84  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 we get from having separate chains of command and from having authority divided is desireable. Obviously, in structuring the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the State of Illinois, we chose to create a system of checks and balances because we didn't want efficiency as the sole goal for our government. Obviously, in many agencies, those that deal with the public health, for instance, we have one person to run administration and another person in charge of medical affairs. That often, for instance, in the case of a hospital. There is probably no equipment more complex and more dangerous than a boiler that heats a school. We put tremendous amount of money into the kind of heating equipment that we use to heat public buildings with. That equipment is dangerous equipment. That equipment can burn up a school. That equipment, in many cases, is the most severe threat to the health and safety of the pupils in the school room. For me personally, without seeing that there's going to be some expertise on the part of the principals who are supervising these engineers, to cast a vote to remove a system of checks and balances that ensures that this equipment will be operated safely, or is designed to ensure that, without some kind of clear discussion about that and about how we're going to protect the kids from that health hazard, that safety hazard, I think it's just going too far, and so, I personally, as one individual, intend to cast a vote against this Amendment at this time."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane, on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition to this Amendment. I don't think the principals... in fact, I know, most principals are not qualified to evaluate school engineers in the Chicago system. We have a licensing 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 procedure, and there are three licenses that engineers must obtain, they must pass competencies in; one. is in boiler room operation; one, is in swimming pools, where they have swimming pool... where they have swimming pools; and one, is where they have cafeterias, they have to pass licensing in the use of insecticide in food areas. There is absolutely no similar requirement in any teacher, or principal, educational administrator curriculum. They are not the... the principals are not qualified. I had an Amendment to this Bill, which is still in the Reference Bureau being drawn up, that would say, that no principal can, even if he is qualified, can supervise an engineer, unless, his... his reading levels, his mathematic levels and the educational levels of the students in his school are appropriate... at appropriate grade level. We have some very, very serious problems in all of our schools, but especially, in a number of schools in the Chicago area, where we're behind national norms, we're behind state norms. I would urge that the principals look to increasing the educational competency of their students, before they start getting into areas where they are not appropriately fitted to evaluate the school engineers, and for that reason, I oppose this Amendment."

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, the prior speaker caused a couple of questions, which I would like to address to you. One of them has to do with whether this Amendment would provide for a principal of a school to have any jurisdiction over evaluation of a person, who in someone's term was the who oversees the boiler', or whether, in fact, that principal 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 would have any input into whether that individual were to receive, for example, a pay increase or a promotion?"

"In response to your inquiry, the principal would nearly be able to say to the engineer, "Would you sweep the floor, please? Would you pick up the litter that is around the school grounds? Would you, please, do those maintenance jobs?" In which many instances, they have refused to do. And then a teacher, of course, as the prior speaker spoke, does not necessarily in many instances do not have those certificates, which are three in number, to be a maintenance person. But I'm sure each and everyone of us in this House knows when a house is clean or a school is clean. And when teachers are rebuffed and principals are rebuffed so far as that part of a maintenance job, I think the chain of command is long over due for changing. The Chicago Public School, is the only school in this state where there is a bifactual chain of command. Every other school district in this state, the principal... the buck stops at the principal. Does that answer your question, Representative Cowlishaw?"

"Let me... Let me make sure I understand. What you mean to say is that, according to the provisions of this Amendment, the principal can give directions to a maintenance person in that building, and that person is expected to follow those directions, but the principal does not have authority, at least not according to the provisions of this Amendment, over who gets salary increases, or who gets promotion, or anything like that whatsoever."

"The principal has nothing to do with that operation whatsoever."

"Okay, because..."

"That is still under binding contracts and whatever 87  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 not with the Chicago Board of Education."

"Well, Representative, there was a question raised about that, and I thought it was well for all of us here to have that clearly understood."

"He cannot fire anybody, cause anybody to be fired, change their salary pay, increase their salary pay, other than saying... have the jurisdiction to say, Mr. Engineer, would you see that this glass is cleaned up? Mr. Engineer, a fence is down over here on the school ground, a child might be injured. Would you, please, put that fence in its place?""

"Representative, just one last question, please."

"Yes. Thank you."

"You have indicated to us, that in the negotiations that have been apparently not totally successful, there have been at least one of the participants in a condition at this moment of not being satisfied. Now, we all know, I think, that when we have some group of individuals who have negotiated and we have one of those participants who is dissatisfied, that we try to go forward and make further efforts to make sure that we find something agreeable to everyone, is that your intent?"

"That intent was the original intent. When the original Bill came out, as I informed the Committee, in honesty to all factions involved, I informed them that I would send a shell Bill to this floor to give them time for further negotiations, six hours were spent in private negotiations between the persons I just priorly addressed was present in the meeting. It is then, after the shell Bill came out, the operating engineers came and said, "We renege. We don't want any parts of it. We're not going to go with it." And at that point, I informed them that, as I told the Committee, that I would return the Bill to its 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 original form and trust that this Assembly would have compassion upon, that the Public School System in Chicago, to put us in the same postular (sic posture) as every other school in this state that the.... the principal will be the governing body in that school structure, not to override anybody, but have the authority to say, "Please, remove the garbage. Please, cut the tall weeds. Please, mop a clean room. Please, attend to the emergency needs of this school. Please, clean the filthy assembly hall. Please, maintain soap and wash towels in the washroom. Please, check the badly heated classroom, before the school opens." That's all this Bill is going to allow a principal to do."

"Alright. Representative Alexander, I think, I understand. You do not intend, that there shall be any further negotiations. You do not intend, that at some further point in the legislative process this Bill would once again be amended. That is not your intent, is that correct?"

"That is not my intent. The Bill will remain in the postular (sic posture) it's in now."

"Alright. So, clearly it is your intent, that we are not passing a shell Bill over to the Senate and giving control in the Senate of something that may come out of any further negotiations, because you do not believe there will be any further negotiations. Very good. I think it's well that we have all that clear, and I thank you very much for answering my questions."

"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite, on the Amendment."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, is it my understanding then, that 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 the engineer that we have referred to is responsible not only for the heating of the school building, but for general maintenance of the condition of the building?"

"That is correct."

"Does the engineer, also, keep the keys for entrance to and from the building?"

"They should."

"Well, but... I mean, is... is the principal excluded, if the engineer choses to exclude the principal?"

"Yes, the engineer could exclude a principal from entering into the school grounds or into the building, they could. Although, most principals do have accessibilities via keys, but they could, in fact, keep a principal out of a school until they decide to let them in. They are the maintenance. They may say the building is unsafe for whatever reason they want to, or whatever they wanted to say, they could."

"And you are indicating that when principals have requested that certain maintenance chores be completed within the school buildings, that the engineers refuse to do that or do it at their own schedule rather than at the principal's schedule."

"That is... That is correct. or they may say, 'Well, I don't think that's necessary to be done right now.' In fact, Representative Satterthwaite, I took time out and rode around many of the schools in the Chicago area, in the last two weeks, reviewing just the outside perimeters, and what I saw was rather shocking. and it really hurt my heart. And, in fact, I went into several of the schools to see what the conditions were, and in one of the schools, there was a gaping hole in the tile ceiling. Now, there's many persons in this chamber knows how to put a piece of tile back up in a ceiling. One piece had been down for 90  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 five years in this particular school."

"Well, as we went throughout the state with the Reform Commission, what we heard time after time was that the quality of education within the school building reflected the ability of the principal not only in regard to the instructional program that was occurring there, but in terms of the general attitudes that prevailed, and that is was the principal that was the key to upgrading the quality of education within our schools. And with that being the case, it seems to me that, we undermine the effectiveness of a principal, if we do not give that principal control to see that maintenance jobs are taken care of and that the safety of the children is not assured, and for that reason, it seems to me that the Sponsor has made a valiant effort to try to get an agreed Amendment to take care of the problem. Lacking that kind of an agreement, then it seems to me we should continue with the philosophy, that was very apparent to those of us who went throughout the state, and give the authority to the principal. And for that reason, I will support the Sponsor's Amendment."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman, on the Amendment."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The previous speaker has indicated that one of the things we know about successful educational endeavors is that the principal is the key and has to have control of the instructional curricular, as well as, the fiscal... physical environment of the school building, if he is truly going to be a leader. Which also been pointed out, that nowhere in that State of Illinois, except in the City of Chicago, does this type of bifurcated relationship exist. Now, put yourself in the position of a principal 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 with a responsibility of running a building and recognize that you have no control over the individual who's responsible for maintaining the building, in fact, in many cases, you as principal of the building, don't even have the keys to the building. Now, that is absolutely mind boggling. It is absolutely contradictory to any responsible way of running any kind of an operation, when the leader of that operation can't even get in to the building. In fact, I don't know of any place else in the United States where it is like this, and I think it's long past due that we address this issue, and we should support the Lady's Amendment to this Bill, if we're really interested in improving the quality of education in the state, but in particular, in Chicago, this is one small step to move in that direction."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAuliffe, one... to the Amendment, please."

"Move the previous question."

"There's no need for that, Representative McAuliffe. Representative Alexander, to close."

"Thank you very kindly. I hold in my hand, for those Members of the House who would care to see it, a report of a task force on the Chicago Public School, prepared in September of '85, by then Chairperson, Senator Paul Simon. One of the items of his recommendation. was that the principal, he or she, should have supervisory responsibility of all personnel in the school building. This idea or concept, which is long overdue, has the total support of community organizations in the Chicago area; the Chicago Principals' Association, the Chicago Urban League, the Citizens' School Committee, Chicago United, and the regional PTA persons. They, too, feel that this type of management control should belong to the principal, rather 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 than the bifactual type of management soup that is going on now. I would ask for your support for the passage of this Amendment. There is no fiscal year impact with it. There is no change in anything, and no additional monies will be needed to place this piece of legislation in place. I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2771 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are... Representative Cowlishaw, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"To explain my vote, please."

"You spoke in debate, I believe. I'm sorry, under the rules your not allowed to explain a vote, if you spoke in debate. There... Representative Vinson, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"To request a verification of the affirmative."

"Very good. Representative Curran, for what reason do you rise?"

"I, inadvertently, pushed the 'yes' button. I'd like to be declared as 'no'."

"Change Representative Curran from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Van Duyne, for what reason do you rise?"

"I missed my button, Madam Speaker, and I wanted to vote 'aye'."

"Record Representative VanDuyne as 'aye'. Representative Younge. Wyvetter Younge, wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Representative McAuliffe, wishes to be voted 'no'. Representative Black, wishes to go from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Mulcahey, for what reason do 93  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986 you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, this is a good Amendment, and I urge everybody to vote 'yes'."

"It's too late to explain your vote, Representative Mulcahey."

"Well, I just did anyway, shortly."

"Good try. There has been a Verification of the Affirmative Roll Call. Proceed with the verification, Mr. Clerk."

"Alexander. Barger. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brunsvold. Churchill. Cowlishaw. Cullerton. Currie. Davis. DeLeo. Deuchler. Didrickson. Dunn. Flowers. Virginia Frederick. Dwight Friedrich. Giorgi. Greiman. Hoffman. Huff. Kirkland. Kubik. Laurino. LeFlore. Levin. Martinez. Mautino. McMaster. McPike. Mulcahey. Olson. Panayotovich. Pangle. Parke. H. Peterson. Piel."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative Piel, asks leave to be verified, Representative Vinson. Representative Piel, asks leave to be verified. Piel. P-I-E-L. Representative Piel, asks leave to be verified, and Representative Levin, and Representative Currie, Representative Zwick, and Representative Braun. Do you have all those names? You have all been granted leave to be verified. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Continuing the Poll of the Affirmative. Preston. Regan. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slater. Stange. Terzich. Tuerk. Turner. Van Duyne. Wait. Washington. White. Wojcik. Anthony Young. Hyvetter Younge. Zwick. And Mr. Speaker."

"Do you have any questions of the Affirmative Roll Call, Representative Vinson?"

"Mr. Panayotovich." 94  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Representative Panayotovich, is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Panayotovich. He is not, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Mr. Preston."

"Representative Preston. Representative Preston, is the Gentleman in the chamber. He is not, remove him."

"Mr. Shaw."

"Representative Shaw. Representative Shaw, is in the chamber."

"Mr. Davis."

"Representative Davis. Jack Davis, is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him."

"Mr. DeLeo."

"Representative DeLeo. Representative DeLeo, is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him."

"Mr. Laurino."

"Representative Laurino. Representative Laurino, is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Mr. Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz, is in the chamber."

"What?"

"He's in the chamber, right by his desk."

"Oh... I was just giving him an opportunity to change his vote. Mr...."

"He didn't vote anyway."

"Oh, well, we'll give him a chance to realize that. Mr. Berrios."

"Representative Berrios. Representative Berrios, the Gentleman is in his chair."

"Mr. Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi, is in his chair." 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"Mr. McNamara."

May 7, 1986 "Representative McNamara, is voting 'no'. Do you have any further questions?"

"I'm sure I will here. Mr...."

"Representative Panayotovich and Representative DeLeo, have returned to the chamber, add them to the Roll Call. Representative Laurino, you are not recorded as voting. Representative Laurino, wishes to vote 'aye'. Record, Representative Laurino, as 'aye'."

"Mr. Slater."

"Representative Slater. Representative Kent Slater, is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Excuse me, Representative Slater, is not recorded as voting either. Oh, excuse me, Representative Slater, was taken off of the Roll Call."

"Mr. McMaster."

"Representative McMaster. Tom McMaster, is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Friedrich, for what reason do you rise?"

"I'd like to change my vote from 'aye' to 'no', please."

"Change, Representative Friedrich, from 'aye' to 'no'."

"Mr. Tuerk."

"Representative Tuerk. Representative Tuerk, is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Terzich, for what reason do you rise?"

"Change my vote from 'aye' to 'no'."

"Change, Representative Terzich, from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Laurino. Change, Representative Laurino, from 'aye' to 'no'."

"No further questions." 96  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 7, 1986

"Representative Capparelli, wishes to be recorded as voting 'no'. Representative Panayotovich, changes his vote from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Alexander, now requests a Verification of the Negative Roll Call. Proceed with the verification, Mr. Clerk."

"Barnes."

"Excuse me, Representative Alexander."

"Never... Request a Poll of the Absentees, I'm SO sorry."

"It might not help you."

"Alright. Thank you."

"Proceed with the Verification of the Negative. Mr. Clerk."

"Black. Capparelli. Countryman. Curran. Daley. Daniels. DeJaegher. Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Dwight Friedrich. Giglio. Goforth. Hallock. Hannig. Harris. Hartke. Hasara. Hastert. Hawkinson. Hensel. Homer. Johnson. Keane. Klemm. Koehler."

"Excuse me. Representative Stern, wishes to change her vote from 'no' to 'aye'. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Kulas. Laurino. Mays. McAuliffe. McCracken. McGann. McNamara. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Parcells. B. Pedersen. Phelps. Pullen. Rea. Richmond. Ronan. Ropp. Ryder. Saltsman. Steczo. Stephens. Sutker. Tate. Terzich. Vinson. Weaver. Williamson. And Wolf."

"Do you have any questions of the Negative Roll Call, Representative Alexander?"

"Thank you. Representative McGann, please."

"Representative McGann. Andy McGann, the Gentleman is in the chamber."

"Representative Laurino."

"Representative Laurino, was verified and is in the chamber." 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day

"Representative Ronan."

"Representative Ronan. is May 7, 1986 Representative Al Ronan, the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him."

"Representative Panayotovich."

"Representative Panayotovich, is in the chamber. Representative Ronan, has returned to the chamber, add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Weaver."

"Representative Weaver, is in the chamber."

"Representative Jane Barnes."

"Representative Barnes. Representative Barnes, the Lady is not in the chamber, remove her from the Roll Call."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley, is in the chamber."

"Representative Regan."

"Representative Regan, is the Gentleman in... He is in the chamber."

"He is in the chamber, thank you. Representative McNamara."

"Representative McNamara, is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Tim Johnson."

"Representative Tim Johnson, the Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Thank you. He's sitting... I'm looking at him behind me. Representative Klemm, is he here?"

"Representative Dick Klemm, the Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Sutker, please."

"Representative Sutker, is in the chamber."

"Okay. Thank you." We asked for McNamara to be cleared, haven't we? Who's the other one? Representative 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 Kulas, please."

"Representative Myron Kulas. Myron Kulas, is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Tom Ewing."

"Representative Tom Ewing, the Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Hastert."

"Excuse me. Representative Kulas, has returned to the chamber, add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Williamson."

"Representative Williamson. Representative Williamson, is the Lady in the chamber? Remove her from the Roll Call."

"Representative Hastert."

"Representative Hastert. Representative Dennis Hastert, is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Madam... Oh, Lord. Representative Mays."

"Representative Mays. Jeff Mays, is in the chamber."

"Representative Flinn. Monroe Flinn."

"Representative Flinn, is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Richmond."

"Representative Richmond. Representative Richmond, the Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Would you, please, give us the Roll Call, please? Hawkinson."

"It is recorded on the vote. Representative Ewing, has returned to the chamber, but you are not recorded as voting, Sir. Do you wish to be recorded as 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 voting? We are... Representative Ewing, wishes to vote "no"."

"Madam Speaker, could I ask for one... Representative Hawkinson, please, for verification."

"Representative Hawkinson. Representative Carl Hawkinson, is the Gentleman in the chamber?"

"Okay, please call the roll."

"Remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Lolita Didrickson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Would you please change me... my 'aye' vote to a 'no' vote, please?"

"Representative Didrickson changes from 'aye to 'no". Representative Churchill changes from 'aye' to 'no". Representative Leverenz."

"Record me 'aye'."

"Record Representative Leverenz as voting 'aye". Representative Piel."

"Would you change me from 'aye' to 'no', please?"

"Changes from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Krska wishes to be recorded as voting 'no'. Representative Barger changes from 'aye' to 'no'. Are all Members recorded as they wish? Representative Alexander, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"May I have a Roll Call, please?"

"Representative DeLeo changes his vote from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Berrios changes his vote from 'aye' to 'no'. On this question there are 45 voting 'aye'... Representative Mulcahey."

"Ms. Speaker, record me as voting 'aye'."

"You are recorded as voting 'aye', Sir. On this question there are 45 voting 'aye', 53 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present' and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?" 100  114th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk O'Brien: "Floor Amendment Keane." Speaker 3reslin: May 7, 1986 43, offered by Representative "Representative Keane."

"Withdraw Amendment #3." Speaker Breslin: you rise?" "Representative Alexander, for what reason do

"Thank you. I would like to take the Bill out of the record because it's nearly a shell Bill at this point. Thank you very much."

"The Bill remains on the Order of Second Reading. Ladies and Gentlemen, due to a problem in the Clerk's Office, we had asked Representative Capparelli to take his Bill out of the record. We... With leave of the Body, we will go back to that Bill. House Bill 2765. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse me. Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

Representative Cullerton: "Yes, I object." Speaker Breslinะ "Representative Capparelli agrees to take the Bill out of the record. Representative... Representative Leverenz, are you ready for an announcement?" Leverenz: sorry, the "Yes, Madam Chairman... or Speaker, Appropriations I Committee will meet at the hour of 9:00 a. m., not 8:00 a. m.

"Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1270, offered by Representative 1273, Flinn and Younge. 1271, Curran. 1272, Pullen McAuliffe. McNamara. 1274, Virginia Frederick. 1275, Mautino. 1276, Greiman. 1278, Black. 1279, Black. 1280, Richmond. et al. 1283, 1281, Richmond et al. 1282, Bowman Hensel. 1284, Curran. 1286, Slater." "Representative Matijevich." all the Resolutions have been

"Madam scrutinized. Speaker, They are agreed. I move the adoption of the 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day Agreed Resolutions." May 7, 1986

"Representative Matijevich moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the Agreed Resolutions be adopted?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and the Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1277, offered by Representative Greiman, with respect to the memory of William Rand. And House Resolution 1285, offered by Representatives Regan and Piel, with respect to the memory of Michael E. Craig."

"Representative Matijevich moves the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Resolutions are adopted. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Madam Speaker, I have been asked to announce that on next Tuesday evening, May 13th, the annual Gridiron Dinner will occur. I have been asked to point out that for Chicago Legislators tickets are available from Charles Wheeler, the Sun-Times bureau and that from downstate... for downstate Legislators, they are available from Mr. Bernie Schoenburg of the Pantagraph news bureau. And I have been asked to further point out that unlike last year when Mr. Cullerton gave the rebuttal, it will be a good rebuttal this year."

"Are you giving the rebuttal, Sir? Mr. Clerk, is there any further business?"

"No further business."

"Representative Matijevich moves that this House stand adjourned until 12:00 tomorrow, Thursday. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day May 7, 1986 opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and this House stands adjourned until 12:00 tomorrow noon." 103  DOCUMENT NAME REQ STORE PRINT OPER GROUP D COMMAND DATE COPY WIDTH DEPTH ERROR T050786 61 0 pj 03/26/87 1 66 78  03/04/87 11:58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 07, 1986 PAGE 1 HB-0564 THIRD READING PAGE 4 HB-0938 SECOND READING PAGE 38 HB-0954 SECOND READING PAGE 38 HB-0988 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-1130 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-1155 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-1229 THIRD READING PAGE 10 HB-1236 SECOND READING PAGE 65 HB-1321 SECOND READING PAGE 65 HB-1332 SECOND READING PAGE 66 HB-1442 SECOND READING PAGE 67 HB-1446 THIRD READING PAGE 6 HB-1451 SECOND READING PAGE 69 HB-1647 SECOND READING PAGE 69 HB-1699 SECOND READING PAGE 70 HB-1699 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 71 HB-1865 SECOND READING PAGE 71 HB-2015 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-2060 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-2073 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-2093 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-2237 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-2313 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-2486 THIRD READING PAGE 9 HB-2486 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-2528 THIRD READING PAGE 10 HB-2537 SECOND READING PAGE 74 HB-2549 SECOND READING PAGE 74 HB-2552 SECOND READING PAGE 74 HB-2573 SECOND READING PAGE 74 H3-2582 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-2582 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 19 HB-2596 SECOND READING PAGE 75 HB-2613 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-2620 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-2622 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-2630 SECOND READING PAGE 2 HB-2705 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-2717 SECOND READING PAGE 78 HB-2720 SECOND READING PAGE 78 HB-2724 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-2726 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-2741 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HS-2765 SECOND READING PAGE 78 HB-2771 SECOND READING PAGE 78 HB-2771 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 101 HB-2775 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-2778 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-2839 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-2839 SECOND READING PAGE 26 HB-2839 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 25 HB-2876 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-2893 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2911 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-3019 SECOND READING PAGE 26 HB-3040 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-3043 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-3058 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3062 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-3078 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-3097 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-3161 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-3175 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-3178 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-3181 SECOND READING PAGE 29  03/04/87 11:58 STATE OF ILLINGIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 2 MAY 07, 1986 HB-3194 SECOND READING PAGE 30 HB-3217 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-3224 SECOND READING PAGE 31 HB-3230 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3266 SECOND READING PAGE 32 HB-3267 SECOND READING PAGE 32 H3-3378 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3428 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3474 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3479 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3599 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-3632 SECOND READING PAGE 36 HR-1267 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 33 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER GREIMAN PRAYER - REVEREND MORRISON PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE AGREED RESOLUTIONS DEATH RESOLUTIONS ADJOURNMENT PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 101 PAGE 102 PAGE 103