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Illinois House Floor Debate — November 18, 1986

84th General Assembly (1985-1986) · Legislative day 142 · Regular Session
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Speaker Greiman

"The hour of 4:00 having arrived, the House will be in Session. Those not authorized to be on the floor will withdraw from the floor. The Chaplain for today will be Father Kevin Vann, Associate Pastor of Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church of Springfield. Father Vann is a guest of Michael... Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in the gallery please rise and join us for the invocation? Father Vann."

Father Vann

"Let us pray. From the book of Proverbs. Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding. Oh God, in this time of year to be thankful, help us in our work to be wise and understanding so that our work and our deliberations may be for the good of those whom we represent, and so that we may be always thankful for their trust. Amen."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Mclean, Mr. Ropp, will lead us in the pledge."

Ropp - et al

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Speaker Greiman

"Okay. Roll Call for Attendance. Have all answered who wish? Have all answered who wish? Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 Members having answered to the call of the quorum, a quorum is present. ... Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

Piel

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Davis and Representative McCracken are excused today?"

Speaker Greiman

"Fine. Let the record so reflect. Mr. Matijevich, on your side of the aisle, are there any absences excused... which are excused? Mr. Matijevich." 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986

Matijevich

"Mr. Speaker, we have no excused absences."

Speaker Greiman

"Fine. Thank you. Agreed Resolutions. Alright, we will do Agreed and Death Resolutions. Mr. Clerk."

O'Brien

"House Resolution 1557 through 1592, and House Resolution 1594 through 1647. House Resolution 1647... 1649 through 1670. House Joint Resolution 237 through 241, and Senate Joint Resolution 183 and 184."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, on the Agreed and Death Resolutions. Mr. Matijevich."

Matijevich

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Democratic and Republican side of the aisle has gone through all of these Resolutions. They are either Congratulatory or Death Resolutions. So, I would now move that we adopt House Resolution 1557 through 1670 with the exception of House Resolution 1593 and 1648, and House Joint Resolution 237 through 241 242 has been removed and Senate Joint Resolution 183 and 184 and move the adoption of these Agreed Resolutions."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. And the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

O'Brien

"House Resolution 1593, Brookins. House Resolution 1648, Wyvetter Younge."

Speaker Greiman

"Committee on Assignment. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?"

Matijevich

"No, I wasn't. Journals. Alright. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I move that we dispense with the reading of the Journal. The following Journals be approved: #124 of June 4; 125 of June 6th; 126 of June 2 142nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 18, 1986 12th; 127 of June 13th; 128 of June 17th; 129 of June 18th; 130 of June 19th; 131 of June 20th; 132 of June 23rd; 133 of June 24th; 134 of June 25th; 135 of June 26th; 136 of June 27th; 137 of June 28th; 138 of June 29th; 139 of June 30th; and 140 of July 1st, 1986."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, moves that we dispense with the reading of the Journal and that we approve the Journal, the Journals for those dates mentioned in the Motion. Is there any objection? Hearing none, those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and those Journals are approved. First Reading. Introduction and First Reading."

O'Brien

"House Bill 3668, offered by Hyvetter Younge, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metro East Sanitary District Act of 1974. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3669, offered by Wyvetter Younge, a Bill for an Act making appropriations of the Capital Development Board to repair the East St. Louis pump station as operated by the Metro East Sanitary District. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3670, offered by Representative Wyvetter Younge, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Metro East Sanitary District Act of 1974. First Reading of the Bill."

Speaker Greiman

"On Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Motions, appears House Resolution 242. On a Motion, Mr. Clerk."

O'Brien

"A Motion pursuant to Rule 43(a), I move to bypass Committee and place House Joint Resolution 242 on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration." Resolution has been reproduced and distributed on the Members' desks. Signed, Michael J. Madigan and Jane M. The Barnes."

Speaker Greiman

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, on a Motion 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 with respect to House Joint Resolution 242. Ms. Barnes. This is on a Motion to... bypass Committee."

Barnes

"Mr. Speaker, is there a Supplemental Calendar on the desk?"

Speaker Greiman

"There is. It's Supplemental Calendar #1. And the Motion appears on that Calendar. Ms. Barnes, do you wish to proceed? Fine. Yes. Mr. Cullerton, are you going to handle that Motion? We'll take the Motion out of the record. We'll come back to this. Yes, Mr. Kulas, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

Kulas

"For the purposes of an announcement."

Speaker Greiman

"Alright. Excuse me, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in Session. Those who do not have floor privileges, should withdraw and do so in a timely fashion, please. Let us give Mr. Kulas our attention for the purpose of an announcement. Mr. Kulas."

Kulas

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Energy, Environment and Natural Resources Subcommittee, which was supposed to meet tomorrow morning at 8:30, will not meet. That Subcommittee meeting has been canceled. Thank you."

Speaker Greiman

"Alright. Returning now again to Supplemental Calendar #1 on the Order of Motions. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo."

Steczo

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Hembers of the House. Having been added as a Cosponsor to House J... HJR 242, I would now move for immediate consideration."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, moves that pursuant to Rule 43(a), we bypass Committee and place House Joint Resolution 242 on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."

Hallock

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Due to some of the ruckus on 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 the floor. I couldn't here his comments; but, is he a Sponsor of this Resolution, the Motion?"

Speaker Greiman

"He is."

Hallock

"Has he been added as the Sponsor of this?"

Speaker Greiman

"He has. Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

Piel

"My question would be of the Chair. Is he a Sponsor... one of the two hyphenated Sponsors of the Motion, not the Resolution, the Motion?"

Speaker Greiman

"He has been added, I'm advised, to the Resolution and the Motion."

Piel

"Because we... you're asking on the Resolution... First of all, he is not a Member... not one of the five Sponsors on the Resolution as I have it, and, I've also got a copy of the Motion. He is not a Member of the Motion either."

Speaker Greiman

"Well, Mr. Piel..."

Piel

"We got Mr. Madigan, we got Ms. Barnes. They are the two..."

Speaker Greiman

"Well, Mr. Piel... Mr. Piel, before we do the litany, anyone could file a Motion. The Motion is whether one wishes to proceed with the Resolution. We would have to have a Cosponsor at that point on the Resolution."

Piel

"Mr. Speaker, if you'd check into it, his comment was that he was one of the Sponsors of the Resolution. We've got a copy of the Resolution on our desks, and he is not on there as a Sponsor of the Resolution. And on the Motion, he is also not a Member... one of the two Sponsors on the Motion. The Motion is before us. The Resolution is not before us. The Motion is what... is before us at the present time."

Speaker Greiman

"That's right. You're right there. Just one moment. Yes, Mr. Steczo has been added as a moving party on the Motion itself, so that the Motion is appropriate. Yes, the Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, the Minority 5 142nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 18, 1986 Leader."

Daniels

"Yes, we would like a Conference in Room 118 immediately, Sir."

Speaker Greiman

"Yes. You're... you're a Conference Chairman..."

Daniels

"Also, I'd just like it on the record... I'd also like to state on the record that Representative Barnes had withdrawn this from the record. So, you have nothing to proceed on; but, in view of the fact that you want to proceed with something controversial, we need to discuss this in Conference. So, we would like an immediate Conference."

Speaker Greiman

"A request was made previously and we suggested we would provide time for the Minority to have this Conference, and we will get back to you in due time in the morning."

Daniels

"Prior to running this, we need the Conference."

Speaker Greiman

"Mr. Steczo, would you withdraw your Motion at this moment? The Chair would appreciate it if you would and we will get back to you."

Steczo

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will."

Speaker Greiman

"Alright. Thank you, Mr... Yes, we'll take this out of the record, Mr. Clerk, and return to it later. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to go to the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions and take those Motions where the Sponsor desires to accept the Governor's amendatory veto. On some Motions... on some Bills, Motions have been filed to override and some Motions have been filed to accept. So, if it is your intention to override the Governor's veto, then you will wish to take your Motion to accept out of the record. So accordingly, on page 16 of the Calendar on the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 787. Mr. Ronan, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Ronan in the 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 chamber? No. Out of the record. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 913, Mr. McCracken. Out of the record. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1130, Mr. Keane. Mr. Keane, do you wish to proceed? Out of the record. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1321. Mr. Keane, 1321? Yes. Mr. Keane... you are recognized, Mr. Keane."

Keane

"Could I come back to these in just a few minutes?"

Speaker Greiman

"I'm sure you can. Yes. Okay. Out of the record. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 2549. Mr. Ronan, 2549? Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

O'Brien

"I move to accept... accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 2549 in the manner and form as follows: Amendment to House Bill 2549."

Speaker Greiman

"Mr. Ronan, on the Motion. Excuse me, Mr. Ronan. Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm going to ask the doorkeepers to clear the floor of anyone who is not an appropriate staff member, a Representative of a Constitutional Officer or other appropriate persons having access to the floor. Mr. Ronan."

Ronan

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I move to accept the amendatory veto of House Bill 2549. The Governor felt that it wasn't necessary that the Advisory Committee that I set up concerning the East Asian Development Authority have an executive director appointed by him. That's the only change he made in my substantive legislation. So, I accept the amendatory veto of House Bill 2549. I'll be glad to answer any questions anyone might have concerning the legislation."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook moves that the House 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2549. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the specific recommendation of the Governor for change with respect to House Bill 2549?* All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 110 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And this Motion, having received the required Constitutional Majority, the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 2621. Mr. Tate? Out of the record. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 2757. Alright. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills... Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 2917, Mr. Bowman. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

O'Brien

"I move to accept specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 2917 in the manner and form as follows: Amendment to House Bill 2917.""

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, on the Motion."

Bowman

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto language. This is the pharmaceutical assistance legislation which we passed in the spring that provided coverage for prescription drugs. And the way the language in the spring version read, "Any prescription drug used by a diabetic would be so covered," the Governor suggests that we clarify the language to make it certain that it applies only to drugs used for the treatment of that particular disease, which was certainly our intent originally. I 8 142nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 18, 1986 have, though, quarrel with the Governor's language which I regard is merely clarifying. So, I am pleased to move the adoption of the amendatory language."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, has moved that the House accept the specific recommendation for change of the Governor with respect to House Bill 2917. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 2917?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open and this is final action. It takes 71 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the Motion, having received the required Constitutional Majority, the Motion is accepted and the House does accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2917. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 3025. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

O'Brien

"I move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 3025 in the manner and form as follows: Amendment to House Bill 3025.

Speaker Greiman

"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Wojcik. From Cook, Ms. Wojcik."

Wojcik

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I do move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto. This change is intended to clarify that the conversion of a county or a township library into a public library district would not automatically resultian inclusion of all local libraries within such territory in a public library district. In the case of a conversion by Resolution, a referendum would still be required to include any local libraries within the 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 county or township in the public library district."

Speaker Greiman

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Wojcik, moves the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to this Bill. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 3025?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open and this is final action. 71 votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the House... And this Motion, having received the required Constitutional Majority, the Motion is accepted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 3044. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

O'Brien

"I move to accept the specific recommendations to the Governor.... of the Governor as to House Bill 3044 in the manner and form as follows: Amendment to House Bill 3044."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli."

Capparelli

"Thank... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to accept the amendatory veto. The amendatory veto just changes the immediate effective date to January 1st, 1987. And I do accept this amendatory veto."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli, moves that the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to this Bill. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 3044? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting 10 142nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 18, 1986 is open. This is final action. 71 votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 110 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And the House does accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 3044, this Bill having... this Motion having received the Constitutional Majority. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 3157. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

O'Brien

"House Bill 3157, 'I move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 3157 in the manner and form as follows: Amendment to House Bill 3157.'"

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, on the Motion."

Terzich

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I move that we accept the Governor's recommendation. The Governor removes from the Bill language which provides that the presence of an altered utility meter as a prima facie evidence of the commission of the offense and inserts, instead, language that states that the presence of an altered utility meter shall raise a rebuttal presumption that the offense has been committed. The Governor indicates that he believes that the Bill was sent to him as unconstitutional, because it shifts the burden of proof to a criminal defendant. And I move that we accept his amendatory veto."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, moves that the House accept the Governor's amendatory veto. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

Cullerton

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

Speaker Greiman

"He indicates he will yield for questions." 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day

Cullerton

"Representative Terzich, November 18, 1986 this Bill as originally introduced, it went to the Criminal Law Committee. Is that correct?"

Terzich

"Yes."

Cullerton

"And didn't we work on an Amendment in that Committee, that you were the Sponsor of?"

Terzich

"I believe that the... the Bill basically was accepted, that we did amend it to meet the approval of the Judiciary Committee."

Cullerton

"Mr. Speaker, I can't hear a word he is saying."

Terzich

"I said that I worked with the Committee and approved its recommendations for change."

Cullerton

"I don't think it is your fault, I think it's the noise level."

Speaker Greiman

"Alright. We're going to try and restore... Thank you, Mr. Cullerton. Ladies and Gentlemen, I'11 again ask you to give your attention to Mr. Terzich and Mr. Cullerton, so that we may glean important information about this piece of legislation. Please let us keep our voices low. Mr. Cullerton, proceed."

Cullerton

"Let me rephrase my question. First of all, as I understand it, the Bill was designed to... it was drafted by public utility lobbyists, as I recall, who were concerned with people who were stealing free service by using devices that bypass meters. And what the Bill did was to prohibit that activity and to increase penalties for repeat offenders. And one of the provisions of that Bill was that the mere existence of this tampering device constitutes prima facie evidence of commission of the offense. And that's the way we passed the Bill. In other words, the idea is that you have a device that bypasses a utility meter. What other reason would you use it for, other than to break the law? So, we had a good tough Bill 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 that said that the mere existence of having one of these meters... one of these devices to bypass meters, that was prima facie evidence of the commission of the offense. It didn't mean you were convicted of it, it just means that it was prima facie evidence that you committed the offense. Now, it seems like the Governor is weakening this Bill that we passed by... weakening it by saying that there's only a rebuttable presumption and not prima facie evidence. So, what do you have to say to that?"

Terzich

"Well..."

Cullerton

"Why are you accepting this Motion?"

Terzich

"Well, the Governor's change apparently neither substantially improves or weakens the Bill, from the analysis."

Cullerton

"So you're... what you're saying is, the Governor... what he did doesn't make any difference at all?"

Terzich

"That's what the analysis says."

Cullerton

"Well I... Mr. Speaker, I'm shocked."

Terzich

"I understand that the Governor doesn't understand the Latin term, *prima facie. He wasn't an altar boy, I think..."

Cullerton

"He doesn't understand... understand prima facie, so he replaced it with rebuttable presumption. Does he understand what rebuttable presumption means?"

Terzich

"Yeah... yeah, I understand it's the same thing."

Cullerton

"Well, Mr. Speaker, if you want to vote to weaken a tough law and order provision that Representative Terzich got passed by going along with the Governor, then you'd vote to accept his recommendation; but, if this Motion fails, then we will, I hope, file another Motion to override the Governor's weakening of this Bill, and then we can get on with fighting crime in the streets and in the utility hallways of our streets and of our Nation." 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986

Terzich

"Well, Representative, I'm for good government. And I would accept the Governor's veto."

Speaker Greiman

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Terzich, to close."

Terzich

"Alright. I would appreciate a favorable vote."

Speaker Greiman

"The question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 3157?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action and requires 60 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And this Motion, having received the required Constitutional Majority, the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 3157. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 3207. Mr. Steczo. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

O'Brien

"I move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governor to House Bill 3207 in the manner and form as follows: Amendment to House Bill 3207'."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, on the Motion."

Steczo

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 3207 indemnifies response action contractors. Those are people that are contracted for by the state to clean up hazardous waste sites in school buildings and other buildings, where there is an asbestos problem, and people who in no way contributed to that problem. The Bill in its original form called for complete indemnification. The Governor suggested that the limit on each occurrence be 2,000,000 dollars. And I am concurring with the Governor's 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day recommendation November 18, 1986 and move to accept the Governor's recommendation for change."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, moves that the House accept the Governor's amendatory veto. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson."

Hawkinson

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

Speaker Greiman

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

Hawkinson

"Representative, in the debate on this Bill on the concurrence Motion, originally, there was an argument that the Bill, as written at that time with the Senate Amendment, would indemnify reckless conduct, and as a result, there was a substantial number of 'no' votes. Has the Governor's veto changed that part of the Bill in any way?"

Steczo

"Representative Hawkinson, the Governor agreed with the language, the substantive language that... that came over from the Senate knowing that the contract... the response action contractor that's involved in the clean up could have in no... by law... will... could not have participated in the actual creation of the problem. The Governor suggested, though, that the state be limited in its liability to 2,000,000 dollars. And we agree with that assessment and feel that that's an appropriate thing to do, andi therefore, that's the only change that he made. And that's the... the language in which we are concurring."

Hawkinson

"And any liability over 2,000,000 dollars would be borne by the contractor?"

Steczo

"I believe my... my information indicates that liabilities over... the cap would be 2,000,000 dollars, that anything in excess... over 2,000,000 dollars could not be retrieved from the contract." 15 142nd Legislative Day Hawkinson: STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 18, 1986 "So... so, that would be a cap that could be recovered and there would be no liability at all over 2,000,000 dollars?"

Steczo

"Correct."

Hawkinson

"Thank you."

Speaker Greiman

"Further... Are there further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to this Bill?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. 71 votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are lll voting 'aye', I voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And this Motion, having received the required Constitutional Majority, the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change. The Gentleman from Madison, the Majority Leader, Representative McPike. Mr. McPike, on a Motion. Mr. McPike."

McPike

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House stand adjourned for Regular Session until tomorrow at the hour of 11:00 a.m."

Speaker Greiman

"Alright. The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, moves that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 11:00 tomorrow. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House stands adjourned until the hour of 11:00 a.m. Mr. McPike. The Gentleman has moved that the House stand adjourned until... Excuse me. Mr. McPike."

McPike

"Mr. Speaker, I move..."

Speaker Greiman

"...The Third Special Session will come to order. Mr. Clerk, read the Proclamation from the Governor." 16 142nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 18, 1986

O'Brien

"Proclamation. Whereas, I outline inadequacies in the insurance crisis legislation in my signing message to the Honorable Members of the 84th General Assembly concerning Senate Bill 1200, Public Act 84-1431, entitled: An Act in relation to the insurance crisis, approved on September 26, 1986; and whereas, Senate Bill 1200 does not resolve many of the problems which contribute to the present insurance crisis, and whereas, the veto of this Bill would have been a retreat from the minimal gains obtained by its passage, and whereas, true tort reform can only be obtained by further legislative action to address the le... legitimate insurance concerns of the business community and of the citizens of this state. Therefore, pursuant to Article IV, Section 5(6) of the Illinois Constitution of 1970, I hereby call and convene the 84th General Assembly in Special Session to commence on November 18, 1986 at 12:00 p.m. in order to consider House Bills 3116, 3118, 3119, 3120, 3121, 3122, 3123, 3124, and Senate Bill 2263 and any other legislation new or pending, new Bill or pending that will result in the effective and meaningful insurance or tort reform laws, which the people of the State of Illinois so rightfully deserve. James R. Thompson, Governor."

Speaker Greiman

"With respect to the Roll Call, the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike."

McPike

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the Attendance Roll Call of the Regular Session be adopted as the Attendance Roll Call of the Third Special Session."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman has moved the Attendance Roll Call of the Regular Session be adopted as the Attendance record... Roll Call of the Third Special Session. Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'no". In the opinion of the 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986 Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Motion is adopted. Are there Resolutions, Mr. Clerk?"

O'Brien

"House Resolution #1. Resolved, that the rules of the House of Representatives of the 84th General Assembly be adopted as the rules of this Third Special Session, SO far as the same may be applicable, and that the Standing Committees of the House of Representatives of the 84th General Assembly and their Membership shall constitute the Standing Committees of the House during this Third Special Session."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Madison, Majority Leader McPike."

McPike

"Mr. Speaker, I move the adoption of House Resolution 1... House Resolution #1 and ask leave to use the Quorum Roll Call for its adoption."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman asks leave to use the Quorum Roll Call for the adoption of House Resolution #1 for the Third Session. Does the Gentleman have leave? You have leave. Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, are there further Resolutions?"

O'Brien

"House Resolution #2. Resolved, that the Clerk inform the Senate, the Majority of the House to assemble, pursuant to the Proclamation of the Governor, convening the Special Session of the General Assembly and are now ready to transact... for the transaction of business."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, is recognized."

McPike

"I move the adoption of House Resolution #2."

Speaker Greiman

Speaker Greiman "Mr. McPike has moved for the adoption of House Resolution #2. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Resolution #2 is adopted. Are there further Resolutions?" 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day November 18, 1986

O'Brien

"House Resolution #3. Resolved, that the Committee of five members, no more than three from the Majority Party, be appointed by the Speaker to approve the last day's Journals, no other Journals of the Third Special Session of the 84th General Assembly."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike."

McPike

"I move the adoption of House Resolution #3."

Speaker Greiman

"Mr. McPike has moved for the adoption of House Resolution #3. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'no. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And House Resolution #3 is adopted. Mr. McPike."

McPike

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the Third Special Session stand adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 11:30 a.m."

Speaker Greiman

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, moves that the House ... that the Third Special Session stand adjourned until the hour of 11:30 a.m. tomorrow. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does stand adjourned. Mr. Friedrich, for the purpose of announcement."

Friedrich

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have a Republican Conference in Room 118 immediately."

Speaker Greiman

"Alright. Ladies and Gentlemen, there will be a Republican Conference in Room 118 immediately upon adjournment, which is at this time. A Republican Conference. Mr. Mautino, for the purposes of an announcement."

Mautino

"Thank... thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The Appropriations I Committee, which was scheduled to meet on the supplemental appropriation Bills, will not meet Thursday at 8:00 a.m. That Appropriations I Committee 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day meeting is..." Speaker Greiman: not meet November 18, 1986 "Alright. So, Appropriations Committee #1 will tomorrow, will not meet tomorrow morning. Mr. Bowman. Oh, Thursday, will not meet Thursday. Mr. Bowman, for the purpose of an announcement. Ms. Currie. Ms. Currie."

Currie

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Appropriations II Committee scheduled for Thursday hearing will not meet on Thursday. The Thursday Appropriations II Committee hearing is canceled."

Speaker Greiman

"So, Appropriations II meeting, which has been scheduled on Thursday, will not meet. Now, Mr. Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

Piel

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Chair. There have been two Motions filed with the Chair prior to adjournment of our Regular Session, and those dealt with the two Senate Bills on the... on the Calendar that were supposed to be heard on the 18th, and those were to extend the deadline on those two Bills. Are we going to be hearing those Motions before we adjourn?"

Speaker Greiman

"We have adjourned. We have adjourned the Special..."

Piel

"No, they were... Mr. Speaker, they were filed... they were filed prior to the adjournment, Mr. Speaker."

Speaker Greiman

"We are adjourned. We are... the House is adjourned." 20 12/18/86 09:59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 13, 1986 PAGE 1 HB-2549 MOTION PAGE 7 H3-2917 MOTION PAGE 8 HB-3025 MOTION PAGE 9 HB-3044 MOTION PAGE 10 HB-3157 MOTION PAGE 11 H3-3207 MOTION PAGE 14 HB-3668 FIRST READING PAGE 3 HB-3669 FIRST READING PAGE 3 HB-3670 FIRST READING PAGE 3 HR-0001 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 18 HR-0002 ADOPTED PAGE 18 HR-0003 ADOPTED PAGE 19 HJR-0242 MOTION PAGE 3 HJR-0242 MOTION PAGE 4 HJR-0242 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 6 HOUSE TO ORDER SUBJECT MATTER REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN PAGE 1 PRAYER FATHER KEVIN VANN PAGE L PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 2 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 2 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 2 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 16 THIRD SPECIAL SESSION PAGE 16 PROCLAMATION FROM GOVERNOR PAGE 17 THIRD SPECIAL SESSION ATTENDANCE ROLL CALL PAGE 17 THIRD SPECIAL SESSION AD JOURNMENT PAGE 19