"Ladies and Gentlemen, the hour of 1:45 having arrived this House will come to order. Members should be in their seat. We will be led today in prayer by a Member, Representative Nelson Rice. I would invite the guests in the gallery to join us in the invocation. Representative Rice."
"As we stand we bow our heads. We ask Thy grace our Father which in heaven that the distance that we have covered this far will be greater. For that we have to travel will be even super greater. We ask then to watch over all of us as we try to understand the things that we have before us. That we'll be able to deliver to our district, in a magnificent way, those things that we have seen in Your greater power and we ask that in His name. Amen."
"Representative Gordon Ropp will lead us in the pledge."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Piel, do you have any Members absent?"
"Yes Madam Speaker. Will the record show that Representative Pullen and Representative Bernie Pedersen are excused absences today?"
"The record will SO show. Representative Matijevich?"
"Madam Speaker, let the record show the excused absences on this side of the aisle. Representative Capparelli, Christensen, Morrow, Braun and Keane."
"The record will So show. Have all Members answered who are present? They have. Mr. Clerk take the 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day record. On April 21, 1988 this question there 112 people answering the Roll Call. A quorum is present. The chair recognizes Representative Bugielski for an introduction."
"Thank...Thank you, Madam Speaker. Fellow Representatives, I'd like to welcome a group of women that came down from Chicago today. The Coalition of Polish American Women, with their President, Mrs. Camille Kopielski and I'd like to welcome them here to Springfield and wish them a good time here. Thank you very much ladies."
"Welcome. Representative Petka, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"I would also like to make an introduction if I can?"
"Proceed."
"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, I would like to direct your attention to the House gallery. The eighth grade graduating class from St Mary Immaculate, which has been a civic source of great pride to the community of Plainfield and myself personally since it's my member...it's my home parish, are here today in...I would like the House to welcome them to Springfield for this most memorable occasion."
"Welcome. Representative Hartke, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Everybody's introducing their guest. I have a Ladies Home Extension from Effingham County and my wife in the gallery today. Would you please give them a hand?"
"Welcome. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I notice from the Speaker the indication of the Rules Committees scheduling and that everybody has to introduce their Bills by 4:30 this 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day afternoon. April 21, 1988 I've heard a rumor that the Rules Committee will not repost for hearing any Bill previously posted and not passed out of the committee. correct?"
Do you know if that is Speaker Breslin: "I do not know if that is correct."
"Well, Madam Speaker, let me take this opportunity to tell you that we are not going to take this treatment lying down. You apparently are using the Rules Committee this year as a political device to hurt or try to hurt targets who you identify in our party as vulnerable in the November elections. Representative Stephens has eight out of eight Bills not passed out of rules. Representative Wennlund has eight out of twelve not passed. Representative Hasara, twelve out of fourteen and Madam Speaker you can tell the real Speaker that he's not going to get away with it. He's going to be well known in their districts as the guy who tried to hurt the Members of their...districts, who tried to hurt the people of their districts. They're not going to be fooled by this device. They are going to know that you are the ones who are doing this to them, that one hundred thousand people in each and every district is targeted and is being stepped on by the House Democratic Leadership. We want you to repost those Bills. Let them out of rules and let the peoples business go ahead. Tell them that, Madam Speaker."
"Committee Reports."
"Corrective Committee Report. House Bill 3519 was reported out of committee on Agriculture on April 19 a 'do pass'. The Bill should be reported 'do pass Consent Calendar'. Representative Van Duyne, Chairman of the Committee on Counties and Townships, to which following Bills were referred action taken April 20, 1988 reported the same back with following recommendations: 'do pass' 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day House Bill 3339; April 21, 1988 'do pass as amended' House Bills 1254, 3074, 3110, 3355, and Senate Bill 591. Representative Mulcahey, Chairman of the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1988 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 3011, 3176, 3178 and 3250; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bills 3068, 3444, 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 1732; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3249; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 910. Representative Kulas, Chairman of the Committee on Energy Environment and Natural Resources to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1988 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 3056, 3125, 3372, and 3607; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 3100, 3124; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 3620; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3389, 3431; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3548. Representative Satterthwaite, Chairman of the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1988 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 3343. Representative Currie, Chairman of the Committee on Safe Government Administration, which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1988 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 2981, 3563, 3564, 3565 and 3567."
"Representative Kulas. For what reason do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to waive the posting rule on House Bill 3064 so that it can be heard in the 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 Energy and Environment Committee for next week. It was inadvertently left off the posting list. I have cleared this with the minority spokesperson. I would like to waive the posting rule."
"The gentleman ask leave to waive the posting rules on 3064. Is there any discussion? Representative McCracken."
"I object. I don't care who's agreed to it on this side. I object. If I need extra people to stand up and support me in this I'm asking for it from this side of the aisle."
"You've only got one person agreeing with you, Representative McCracken. Oh there...you have a few more friends. There are objections Representative Kulas. We will work on this later. Ladies and Gentlemen before we go any further, you should be reminded that if you have introductions to make they are to be requested of the Speaker prior to their being made. That is in accordance with the rules. Representative Bugielski did that. He had clearance to do that and the others did not. So please remember the rules for further occasions. Ladies and Gentlemen we are ready to proceed now to Third Reading. I would ask the Doorman to clear the floor of all unauthorized visitors of which there are many. Please clear the floor of all unauthorized visitors. House Bills, Third Reading. House Bill 230. Representative Hasara."
"Thank you...thank you, Madam Chairman."
"Excuse me Representative...a... Mr....Mr. Clerk read the Bill please."
"House Bill 230, a Bill for an Act to provide for annexation. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Hasara."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. House Bill 230 addresses a 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 problem that has arisen as a result of legislation passed two years ago. In some of the areas that have coterminous townships in the State of Illinois. House Bill 230 would provide those twenty communities, who have what we call a "hole in the doughnut" provision, an opportunity to have a referendum before they are automatically annexed to the city. This is really a matter of fairness to people. To take a large portion of a...of the tax base of a township and annex it into the city without any say of the Members or the board of that townships is totally unfair. I ask for a favorable vote on this Bill."
"The lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 230 and on that question the Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"Representative, I don't see in the Bill the requirement for any referendum. Unless our file is wrong the Bill simply says that the territory shall be disconnected from the adjacent township and included in the coterminous township."
"No."
"I take it back. It does go on and say..."
"Yes I believe page 2 of the Bill."
"I found it. Thank you."
"Okay, you're welcome."
"How many districts are affected in this State?"
"There are fifteen downstate cities that have coterminous boundardies with the township."
"And how many of them have annexed the doughnut holes?"
"I'm not really sure, Representative. Several to my knowledge."
"And what would this legislation do to those that have 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day already annexed their doughnut holes?" April 21, 1988
"It would permit those areas to have a referendum to see if indeed they do want to be part of that city or they wish to remain in their previous township."
"Would the Bill automatically disconnect the annexed territory?"
"Yes it would."
"Alright. To the Bill Mr. Speaker."
Proceed Representative Homer. (sic-McPike)"
"Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Bill. When this Bill passed two years ago, I got up and spoke against the Bill. I said, that in my opinion it was not a good arrangement that had been worked out between the municipal league and township government and the townships. Granted the two organizations that fought over this issue for many years and they got together and made this agreement. I disagreed with it and got up and spoke against it on the House floor but the Bill overwhelmingly passed. I think it passed by 80 or 90 votes and probably had 20 'no' votes. So the City of Alton proceeded under law and annexed the doughnut hole. We went through all of the legal proceedings, we brought in 500 different families, we changed all the tax...a...filings, we changed everything with the Circuit Clerk, we did everything we were supposed to do. Thats... this took six months to a year, it was a long legal hassle but it's been over and done with now for a year and a half. Not only did I do that...or not only did the City of Alton do...do that but to my knowledge every other district in the State did the same thing with the exception of Representative Hasara's District. I called all the Legislators that were affected by this this morning, talked to all the Democrats and with the exception of Springfield, everyone was opposed to the Bill. The 7 94th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1988 reason they are opposed to it is because every one of these communities, regardless of whether or not they were for the law or against the law, every one of these communities decided to follow the law and in following the law they incorporate into their city the doughnut hole. Now what we're going to do today, if Representative Hasara's Bill is going to become law, we're going to say that everything that you went through was for naught. Because we're going to automatically disconnect the territory from your city that you connected to it two years ago after we forced you to do it. So it's going to cause nothing but turmoil and havoc and it makes the General Assembly look a little bit ridiculous. I would simply say that it affects very few people on the House floor. I would ask the Democratic side of the aisle, if it affects you negatively, which it affects myself and Monroe Flinn and Representative Satterthwaite and Sam Wolf and others on the Democratic side. It affects us negatively and we intend to vote no. The rest of this side of the aisle is not affected by this Bill and I'm going to ask my colleagues to please vote present or no. Thank you, Madam Speaker."
"The Gentleman from DuPage. Is there any further discussion? Hearing no further discussion Representative Hasara to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the body. I do have just a few comments. First of all, when this Bill came up for a vote two years ago, the provision for the hole in the doughnut was never mentioned on the floor of this House. I can go back and show you transcripts of the discussion on the floor. Certainly there may have been some Members who were aware of some deal that had been made, but if you look at the vote it is obvious that most of the Members who voted yes on that original Bill had no 8 94th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1988 idea of the implications of that Bill. I introduced House Bill 230 last year. If it had passed last year, as I had wished, we would not have gone through all the pain of having so many citizens of our townships annexed into these cities. But that...the Bill did not get out of committee it was not even allowed to be called for a vote in committee SO I'm coming back this year to ask you to all realize that there...that this Bill does affect a lot of you. It does affect a lot more people than Representative Curran and I. If you do not think that the people who were annexed into those twenty communities against their will would not be very happy to see this Bill pass you have another think coming. There are thousands of citizens out there who would be delighted to see themselves put back into the township from which they came not to mention the townships who had no say in having their tax base eroded when this all happened last year. I certainly thank you for your consideration but again I think the Legislature has already been made to look foolish because most of us voted for a Bill for which we had no idea what the implications were and I'm here asking you to help correct that today. Thank you."
"The question is, 'shall House Bill 230 pass'. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative McCracken one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. You know, I believe the real reason for these present votes is another one of politics, so that when we tell them that you've kept all of Representative Hasara's Bills in rules, they can come back and say she had a fair vote, it was a bad Bill, she was in a...she was...ineffective. Well Mr. Majority Leader, if you were so offended by the provisions of this Bill two 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 years ago you ought to be for this Bill today, because this returns to the status quo this issue of disconnecting or annexing the doughnut. That's precisely what it does. Why do you need a referendum to return us to the status quo if you hated the Bill so much? And for any large piece of property there are front door referendum requirements. It's just a smoke screen so you can stand up there and criticize a Member whose seat you're trying to take away. If you want to penalize her do it outside of the chambers. Do it downstate. Try to convince her people but don't take it out on the citizens who are...have nothing to do with this and who are affected by this legislation."
"Representative Saltsman one minute to explain your vote."
"Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I voted for this legislation two years ago and it's a good piece of legislation, it's an agreed Bill. And as far as that's concerned a township official from Sangamon County was on a committee that went throughout the State holding hearings. They held hearings in Peoria which I attended. We're affected by this more then Springfield is and they're the only city that's having a problem with it. Our community has adjusted to it, they came with the agreed Bill situation, our township officials gave, our city officials have given in also and without this legislation they is going to be a constant fight for the next hundred years. This was an agreed Bill. And the mayor of Springfield was on that committee that made the agreed Bill. So they've got less room to gripe than anybody else. I look for all red and present votes on the board."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 49 voting 'aye' 18 voting 'no' 41 voting 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day 'present' and the Bill fails. April 21, 1988 House Bill 1374. Representative McAuliffe. Clerk read the Bill."
"House Bill 1374 a Bill for an Act relating to investments of pension funds in certain companies. Reading of the Bill."
"Representative McAuliffe."
Third McAuliffe: "Madam...Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly, a... Representative McNamara and myself worked on this Bill together and Representative McNamara is going to make the opening statements and I'd like to have the privilege of closing so if you would recognize Representative McNamara."
"Representative McNamara."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1374 is known as the MacBride's Principles. What the MacBride's Principles are is a moral and ethical statement that employment discrimination is wrong and that people that invest in the Illinois Pension Funds have a right to know where that wrong is. We put on an amendment in the...in the committee which says that it will survey the United States Corporations operating in Northern Illinois in which Illinois Pension Funds are invested to determine their adherence to MacBride Principles which are principles of equal opportunity. The report is due to this House by July 1, 1989. And the Economic Fiscal Commission with the assistance of the legislative research unit as the designated body to connect...to conduct the survey. What we're trying to say in this Bill is...is that discrimination is wrong but we do not wish to do it with disinvestment. There is no disinvestment in this Bill as is recognized by the pension and fiscal notes which we have requested. It is an important thing not only to the average community but to all of us as free thinking citizens as people of this 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 nation that...that deplore the discrimination, to say that discrimination is wrong. I urge your support and I welcome any questions on this matter. Thank you."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1374 and on that question the Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."
"A...to be just for starters Representative McNamara what...what are the MacBride Principles? Tell me what they are."
"Representative McNamara to answer a question."
"Again please. I did not hear the question."
"The question is what are the MacBride Principles."
"The Mac...to explain a little bit. I could read through the entire list of the MacBride Principles to explain a little bit about what they are. Shawn MacBride was an Irish leader who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in peace actions throughout the world. What he has done is he has put together a se...a set of principles and briefly I will go through them. There are nine principles that call for every reasonable lawful effort to increase the respresentation of underrepresented religious groups at all levels of operation. Actions that which address employment imbalances directly include programs to train, upgrade and improve the skills of minority groups and to actively recruit members of the minority. The principles call for the appointment of senior management staff member to supervise the companies action program, and a company to report to a monitoring agency of its progress. They adm...they ask employers to make reasonable, good faith efforts to assure the security of the minority employees at the work place and while traveling to and from work a...the signatories are also asked to prevent the display of 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 provocative secretariat symbols in the work place. It goes on and on I believe if you have any other more specific questions..."
"Yea. I was particularly interested in the a number of them. I assume all of them would require a good deal of monitoring and paper work and so forth but the one I'm particularly interested in is the second one you talked about and that is providing security for minority employment both at the work place and while traveling. What does that mean? I'm not talking about at the work place. I guess we can understand that. What...what would this require, as you interpret it, in terms of minority employees going to and from the work place?"
"Okay. One of the reasons for the amendment was to clarify that point. It says the signatories must make reasonable good faith efforts to insure that applicants are not deterred from seeking employment because of fear for their personal safety at the work place or while traveling to or from work. Reasonable good faith measures. It is not something in law that says that the company has to provide an armed guard in order to bring a person to and from work."
"Well...well...What...what do you consider...or..what do you consider, or what does Mr. MacBride consider reasonable good faith efforts to provide security traveling to and from?"
"Okay. My consideration...my consideration, and the best way I can possibly explain this, is in 1983 the Ford Motor Company allowed symbols for the Protestant Faction to be in the work place. At that time a...excuse me... allow political symbolism to be allowed in the work place. What happened in that case, was that in each and every case, that spurred a...strike when they were asked to take it 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 down. Take down the Protestant symbolism. To take it down... spurred a wildcat strike. The company then caved into the wildcat strike and put it in their contract at the Johnson: time that the Protestants would be allowed to..." "You answered my question."
"...while the Catholic issue would not be allowed to put up that symbolism. What we are saying reasonable good faith, means that they would not be allowed that to...to show partisanship of one versus another and make any reasonable efforts that would be normal, of course." Johnson. "What...what...Now I realize the...the Bill doesn't address this directly, but it does indirectly. What...what are the names of some of the companies, that if we were to carry out a full divestiture program a...that would be affected in terms of our ability to invest...investment Illinois Pension Funds in...in different companies. Tell me some of the companies that don't comply with these principles that do business in Northern Ireland."
"I think that there's one error in your statement that I can't allow to stand and that's when you said divestiture. There is no divestiture whatsoever in this book."
"I know that. I said that to begin with, Representative McNamara. I said the Bill doesn't do that."
"Excuse me."
"I said if we do that, what companies would be affected."
"And you...in your previous statement you..."
"So I didn't err in my statement."
"In your previous statement you did say..."
"No, I didn't say."
"...divestiture."
"You didn't listen. I'm just asking you if we did that, 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 if we went to the next step beyond this study, tell me what companies would be affected by it."
"I don't know, nor could I say that there would be any next step beyond the study. The second thing is that some of the companies that are already into Northern Ireland are Ford Motor Company, General Motors, United Technologies, TRW, Hyster, ABX, Survival Technology. There are 140 companies in Northern Ireland right now only of which 24 of those are affected by the a...by the Illinois Pension Funds where there are investments there."
"I notice that at least in our analysis that they...they set up certain groups that are proponents and certain groups that are opponents of this legislation. I guess one of my questions is that outside of, is it pronounced sinfine, is that right?"
"Shinfien."
"Shinfien. Okay. Now that...they're a proponent of this legislation. Is that right?"
"There are two groups of the Shinfien. One is a political group and one is a...an armed militant group."
"Okay."
"Both groups are, I believe, both a militant and the political group are both in support of it."
"The Shinfien is the political arm of the Irish...the IRA. Is that right?"
"That is correct."
"What about the other...there are other...Roman Catholic political parties in Northern Ireland, aren't there?"
"There are many among its support. I believe we..."
"What about the other...the other Catholic political parties in Northern Ireland? What's their position on this iss...this issue?"
"It is my understanding that the...that the leader of 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 the Irish Free State has advised us that he is in support of the MacBride's Principles. Most of the other political parties, many of the other religious parties, that also support the MacBride's Principles, is the Catholic...church federation...the...many of the Protestant faith groups...many of the...religious organizations throughout the world are very much in support of it because it is not a situation where there is violence proposed. It is looking for a peaceful solution of the violence in Northern Ireland."
"Now...I'm not asking whether they're for or against the MacBride Principles, I'm asking whether those other political parties in the groups that you've alluded to are for or against this piece of legislation."
"There was...in the testimony there was a Member of the British Political Party... Member of Parliament came over and testified in favor of the MacBride's Principles."
"Okay. Well to the Bill... Madam Speaker, Members of the House..."
"Excuse me, Ladies and Gentlemen. Excuse me. This is a major piece of legislation. Give your attention to Representative Johnson. Proceed, Representative Johnson."
"It seem...it would seem to me that there are a good many companies in that we're kinda back in some of the same issues as we were in parallel once that if the next step were reached that would be affected, and Illinois Pensioners would be affected and our primary obligation, as I think everybody in here would agree, are to Illinois Pensioners and not to international politics. In addition to that, I would suggest respectfully to both of the Sponsors and to others who support this legislation, sincere as they are, that perhaps were misplaced and that 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 the net effect even if we got into international politics of the adoption of this Bill and its progeny would be, rather then increasing employment opportunities would be to decrease employment opportunities in this part of the...of the United Kingdom, simply based on the bureaucratic build-up that this would entail...the borderline situation that companies are in with respect to locating in Northern Ireland to begin with and this simply being the cur...the straw that could easily break the proverbial camel's back and companies I think in a good many situations would simply shut down operations or not locate them there rather than deal with the whole new level of bureaucracy. So while again I'm sure that a majority's principles are ones that most of us could support, some of them are unreasonable, some of them are unworkable and the bottom line would be, in my judgment, to hurt the people in Northern Ireland and most importantly, as far we're...we're concerned, hurt the interest of Illinois Pensioners in a time when most pensions, if not all pensions, in Illinois and those systems are in jeopardy anyway. So with due respect to both the Sponsors that I respect so much I would urge a 'no' or a 'present' vote on this Bill."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman on the question."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This type of legislation is outside, in my judgment, the province of a State legislature. We're talking about a foreign country. I think this Bill should have gone to the State Department of which we do not have. It's as if we didn't have enough problems inside our own borders of that we go outside and attempt to tell people in another nation state how they ought to run their affairs. And for that reason, as well as some of the others that 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 have been mentioned, I believe that the only logical vote on this is either to say no, this is not our business, it is not our affair and we should not participate in it, or at the very least to vote present to indicate that, in fact, it is outside the pale of this legislative obligation. I think, for example, even in Northern Ireland that you'll find that notwithstanding the fact that the Protestants are in the majority...that the major... Catholic Political Party as well as the major Catholic...one of the major Catholic unions is opposed to the MacBride Principles because they think will be hurtful. But that as it may be, it is outside our purview and we should not be participating in this kind of a decision making process of which we have no obligation, or no right, or no responsibility to participate in."
"The lady from Cook, Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. We don't have a State Department but we do have a House State Government Administration Committee which took more than eight hours of testimony on House Bill 1374 and the MacBride Principles. The charges made that this is intervention in foreign affairs rather than appropriate purview for the State of Illinois. I would remind the Members that the issue in House Bill 1374 are investments of Illinois Pension Funds, not the foreign relations of the Northern Irish Government. This is an area in which we have not only a legitimate interest but a duty to...to concern ourselves with. This Bill is not present disinvestment nor is it future divestment. It is merely a study of those companies that use Illinois Pension Plum...Funds to find out how they respond to the legal requirement in Northern Ireland that religious discrimination is against the law. We are told there may 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 be an economic risk in this Bill, a risk that companies will leave Northern Ireland, will choose not to invest in Northern Ireland. That may be a legitimate risk but it is my view that as six States have already adopted the MacBride Principles, a seventh State has achieved legislative approval of the MacBride Principles, if an economic risk is there, it's already there and the Illinois voice added to a request for information about American companies doing business in that nation will not expand the risk. I think on the contrary, that the point of this Bill is to say to American companies, to say to the British Government and to say Northern...to Northern Ireland that fair play, anti-discrimination, human rights, matter to the people of this country and to the people of the State of Illinois. In fact, it is my view that some of the improvements in the relationships between companies and Catholic minorities and those companies that in the past failed to hire members of the Protestant religion. Some of the improvements that have come about have come about precisely because of the message that is in the MacBride Principles and because of the message that we would send by virtue of adopting House Bill 1374. We shouldn't ignore the economic risk, but I think it would be a mistake to overvalue it. I think the right vote on this Bill is a Bill that will encourage the right kinds of behavior of American companies in Northern Ireland, of the English Government in Northern Ireland, and I hope that my colleagues will join me in supporting House Bill 1374." Speaker, Breslin: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative
McGann. McGann: "Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I think the first thought that we should keep in our mind is that this is just a survey of the U. S. companies in 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 Northern Ireland, to determine what we have going on over there with our pension system. The legislation has no impact on our pension system whatsoever. It is no divesting whatsoever, all it is is a survey. I think it's important for all of us that are concerned about the human rights of an individual, that we start someplace in order to accomplish the end result of total human rights for all. The British government states that they have taken action for the past three years to correct the ills in Northern Ireland. This is not accurate. It does not have a good record of accomplishments in those three years. All we are doing here in behalf of the descendents of those from Ireland and those who would look forward to a peaceful, united Ireland would say that they would like to have our money spent in the right direction. This survey will come back to the General Assembly in 1989. And at that time the Members of this Assembly can make that decision whether we continue investment or not. Please, Members of this Assembly, no matter what your thoughts are, give us the opportunity to have this survey done. It is a no cost operation. I think it's something that's important for the constituents of the State of Illinois and throughout the United States. So I'd ask you to give us a vote in this direction, to give us a vote of confidence for this survey and then let us, as a body, look at the results in 1989. I would ask you to please punch your green vote for the human rights of the Irish people in Northern Ireland and those that are so concerned for their welfare here in the United States. Thank you very much."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich."
"I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 question is, 'shall the main question be put'. All those in favor say 'aye' all those opposed say 'no', in the opinion of the chair the 'ayes' have it. The main question is put. Representative McAuliffe to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I would address my remarks to the Members on my side of the aisle. I would just like to share my thoughts with them. You know, when I first started in politics it was unheard of for an Irishman to be a Republican. I want to prove to the Irish-Americans in Chicago and in my district that they have friends on the Republican side of the aisle and I want some of you people to come over and vote for us. This is a good Bill, this is a fair Bill and it's a Bill that we have the right to be interested in because I have a lot of constituents back in my district that have relatives that are in Ireland. I've been to Ireland myself. I've talked to many people who were born in Ireland and many people who visit there on a regular basis. There is a problem in Northern Ireland, and the problem is not being solved by the British government. And they may be well intentioned, but well intentions aren't enough. This is a Bill that's got some teeth in it, this is a Bill that's going to help improve the lot of the Irish American who is discriminated against in Northern Ireland, in his own country, and the British government admits there's discrimination. This is a Bill that will help show the problem. There is no sanctions, there's no penalty, nobody's going to spend a dime on this, it's just a study that something we can come back and maybe possibly cajole them into doing something in the future. So Representative McNamara has done a good job on his side of the aisle, and I want to make sure we get some green votes on the Republican side of the aisle so I can go back to my 21 94th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1988 constituents and say the Republicans also care about the Irish-American and hopefully some more of them will vote Republican in the next election. Thank you."
"The question is, 'shall House Bill 1374 pass'. All those in favor vote 'aye' all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Phelps, would you put me on this Roll Call please? Thank you. Have all voted who wish? Representative Parcells, one minute to explain your vote."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think everybody should know that there is a Fair Employment Act of 1976 and they're working on that in Northern Ireland. I wouldn't want anybody to come here and say we've been perfect with civil rights because we haven't, but we're working on it, and I think the very people you think you're going to help over there you're going to hurt, because those people, if these companies get tired of this, no new companies will come, and the companies that are there will go elsewhere. They won't be hasseled in France, they won't be hasseled in Great Britian. They'll leave, and the very people that you say you're going to help will be without jobs. I think the proper vote here to show that you do care about human rights, you do care that these people maintain their jobs over there, let the British work on this, they're working very hard and there has been improvement, the proper vote here is 'present'."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 84 voting 'aye' 14 voting 'no' and 11 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Mr....Mr. Clerk is there any further business to come before this House?"
"Adjournment Resolution." 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day
April 21, 1988 "Representative Kulas for what reason to you seek recognition?" "Thank you, Madam Speaker. Again I...I'd like to waive the posting rule on House Bill 3064 which was inadvertently omitted for the Energy and Environment Committee for next week. I've cleared this with the other side of the aisle."
"The Gentleman has moved that we waive the posting rules on House Bill 3064 and on that question, Mr.
McCracken. McCracken: "Representative Kulas has seen the light and I'm sure he's going to help us get our Bills out of Rules, so we're all for this."
"The question is, 'Shall the House waive the posting rules on House Bill 3064? All those in favor say 'aye' all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the chair the 'ayes' have it and rule is waived. Resolutions, Mr. Clerk."
"Agreed Resolutions: House Joint Resolution 180, offered by Representative Klemm, et al, House Resolution 1280, Hensel; 1282, McPike; 1283, Giglio; 1284, Klemm; 1285, Terzich; 1286, Terzich; 1287, Terzich; 1289, Regan; 1290, DeJaegher; 1291, Keane."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Yes, Madam Speaker Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We have examined the Resolutions, they are all of the congratulatory type and I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"The Gentleman moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye' all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the chair the 'ayes' have it and the Resolutions are adopted. Any further business? General Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1292, Anthony Young; House Joint 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 Resolution 181, Mautino, et al; House Joint Resolution 182, Johnson, et al."
"Committee on Assignments. Any further business? Death Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1281, offered by Representative Daley; with respect to the memory of Joseph Joe Brack... Borrushi; House Resolution 1288, offered by Representative Stern, with respect to the memory of Abe Fell."
"Representative Matijevich moves the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye' all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the chair the 'ayes' have it and the Death Resolutions are adopted."
"Adjournment Resolution."
"Senate Joint Resolution 118. Resolved, by the Senate of the 85th General Assembly, State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the two Houses adjourn on Thursday, April 21, 1988, they stand adjourned until Tuesday, April 26, 1988 at 12:00 o'clock noon."
"Representative Matijevich moves the adoption of the Adjournment Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye' all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the chair the 'ayes' have it and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Representative Matijevich moves now that the House stand adjourned until Tuesday the 26th of April, allowing time for Perfunctory Session until 4:30 this afternoon. All those in favor say 'aye' all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the chair the 'ayes' have it and the...and this House stands adjourned until Tuesday at 12 noon April 26. Thank you and have a good weekend."
"Representative Klemm, Hensel, Giglio, and Daley we have Resolutions prepared for you here. Representative 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day Klemm, Hensel, Giglio and Daley. Reading of Bills. House Bill April 21, 1988 Introduction and First 4239, offered by Representative Homer, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relation to solid waste disposal. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4240, Saltsman, a Bill for an Act to amend the Fish Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4241, Black, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4242, Black, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4243, Flowers, a Bill for an Act relating to industrial competitiveness. First Reading of the Bill."
"House Bill 4244, offered by Representative LeFlore, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Local Governmental and Governmental Employees Tort Immunity Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4245, offered by Representative LeFlore, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4246, offered by Representative Shaw, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4247, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4248, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4249, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4250, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4251, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Mobile Home Local Services Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4252, offered by 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Mobile Home Local Services Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4253, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Mobile Home Local Services Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4254, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Animal Control Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4255, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Downstate County Working Cash Fund Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4256, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4257, offered by Representative Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4258, offered by Representative Stange, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Human Care for Animals Act... Humane Care for Animals Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4259, offered by Representative Shaw, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Motor Vehicle Retail Installment Sales Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4260, offered by Representative Anthony Young, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4261, offered by Representative Anthony Young, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4262, offered by Representative Weaver, a Bill for an Act to add Sections of the Illinois Human Rights Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4263, offered by Representative Stern, a Bill for an Act to add Sections of the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4264, offered by Representative Steczo, a Bill for an Act 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 to add Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4265, offered by Representative Steczo, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4266, offered by Representative Giglio, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4267, offered by Representative Leverenz, et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation...relating to the disaster relief and making an appropriation thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4268, offered by Representative Leverenz, et al, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Income Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4269, offered by Representative Giorgi and Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to provide for educational opportunities for children of certain veterans. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4270, offered by Representative Slater, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Agricultural Fair Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4271, offered by Representative Phelps, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Cemetery Care Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4272, offered by Representative Harris, et al, a Bill for an Act to repeal the Compensation Review Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4273, offered by Representative Saltsman, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to public labor...labor relations. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4274, offered by Representative Curran, et al, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois Department of Central Collections and amending certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4275, offered by Representative Flowers, a Bill for an Act concerning regulations of new and used motor vehicle sales practices and the advertising associated 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day therewith. First Reading of the Bill. April 21, 1988 Further Committee Reports. Representative Preston, Chairman from the Committee on Select Committee on Children to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 21, 1988 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 3496; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3510; Representative O'Connell, Chairman from the Committee on Judiciary II to which the following Bills were referred action taken April 21, 1988 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 600, 2324, 3059, 3465, 3547, 3615, 3697, 3954, 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 3485, 3513, 3681, 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3294 and 3546."
"Perfunctory Session should be back in order. Committee Report. Committee on Rules has met pursuant to Rule 29c3: The following Bills have been ruled exempt on April 21, 1988. House number... House Bill numbers 589, 3314, 3932, 4052, 4205, 4206, 4207, 4208, 4209, 4210, 4212, 4213, 4214, 4215, 4216, 4217, 4218 and 4219. John Matijevich, Chairman. Introduction and First Reading of Bills. House Bill 4276, offered by Representative Granberg, et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Low Level Radioactive Waste Management Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4277, Hultgren, et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to establish the technical task force on Community Mental Health Services. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4278, offered by Representative Bowman, a Bill for an Act making various appropriations. First Reading of the Bill. More Introductions. House Bill 4279, offered by Representative Phelps, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code. First Reading of the Bill. Being no 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 94th Legislative Day April 21, 1988 further business, the House now stands adjourned." 29 REPORT: TIFLDAY 15:53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 21, 1988 PAGE 1 06/15/88 HB-0230 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1374 THIRD READING PAGE 11 HB-3064 MOTION PAGE 4 HB-3064 MOTION PAGE 23 HB-4239 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4240 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4241 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4242 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4243 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4244 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4245 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4246 FIRST READING PAGE 25 H3-4247 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4248 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4249 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4250 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4251 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4252 FIRST READING PAGE 25 HB-4253 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4254 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4255 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4256 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4257 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4258 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4259 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4260 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4261 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4262 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4263 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4264 FIRST READING PAGE 26 HB-4265 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4266 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4267 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4268 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4269 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4270 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4271 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4272 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4273 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4274 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4275 FIRST READING PAGE 27 HB-4276 FIRST READING PAGE 28 HB-4277 FIRST READING PAGE 28 HB-4278 FIRST READING PAGE 28 HB-4279 FIRST READING PAGE 28 HR-0181 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 24 HR-0182 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 24 HR-1281 ADOPTED PAGE 24 HR-1288 ADOPTED PAGE 24 HR-1292 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 23 SJR-0118 ADOPTED PAGE 24 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN PAGE 1 PRAYER REPRESENTATIVE NELSON RICE PAGE 1 PLEDGE REPRESENTATIVE ROPP PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 INTRODUCTION COALITION OF POLISH AMERICAN WOMEN PAGE 2 INTRODUCTION EIGHT GRADE ST. MARY IMMACULATE PAGE 2 INTRODUCTION EFFINGHAM HOME EXTENSION PAGE 2 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 3 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 23 ADJOURNMENT RESOLUTION PAGE 24 REPORT: TIFLDAY 15:53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 21, 1988 SUBJECT MATTER PERFUNCTORY SESSION COMMITTEE REPORTS PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 2 06/15/88 PAGE 24 PAGE 28 PAGE 28