Illinois House Floor Debate — May 5, 1988

"The House will come to order. Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be Reverend Bryan Siverly, from the First United Methodist Church in Springfield. Reverend Siverly is a guest of Representative Curran. The guests in the balcony may wish to rise and join us for the invocation."

"Let us be in prayer. Gracious God, we truly give You thanks for bringing us here this fine day, even though it is a day where most of us would rather be outside than inside. Dear God we thank You for the special task that You give to each one of us in life. May we be faithful stewards of Your calling. Bless us as we work. In the name of Christ we pray. Amen."

"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Brunsvold."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"Representative Matijevich, do you have any excused absences?".

"Yes, Madam Speaker, we have Representative Braun and Christensen excused due to illness and Representative Wyvetter Younge, is excused on official business."

"Representative Piel, do you have any excused absences?"

"Yes, Representative Stange and Representative Ropp are excused today, Madam Speaker."

"The record will reflect that. Have all answered the Roll Call who are here? Mr. Clerk, take the record. 110 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 people answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Pedersen is in the Chair for the purposes of an introduction."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's a real privilege, and it certainly is one of the purposes of my office, to fulfill this little pleasurable duty today. We have with us the 1987 football champions, Class 6A of Illinois. They're the Hersey Huskies, from Arlington Heights. They ... that's in School District...High School District #214. It's one of the High Schools in that District. All I can say is.. we're not finished. All I can say is that football, compared to the way they played it when I was in High School, has really changed. And this team is not only awesome, but the...all the teams out our way are, and they really have a go around every year. And I would like to introduce the staff and then have Coach Glover say a few words. First is head coach, Bruce Glover. Gotta wave, guys. Assistant coach Mike Mallaney, assistant coach Chuck Haynes. And now I would like to turn the mike over to Coach Glover and he will tell you how they did it."

"When the season was over, I received a letter from Springfield, from one of the coaches here. And he said, 'Coach, if you did it with anything other than good kids and hard work, let the world know. I can guarantee you, that those were the two essential ingredients that we had. We're tickled to death to be here. I would like to introduce four special people here today, just so you can see who some real leaders are that might be here maybe twenty years from now. If our guys are down there, if you will just wave. Four captains this year, terrific football players, terrific school leaders. Chris Deerhog, John Gilliam, Mark Gunther and Frank Camet. Just before we 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 left, all of our people at home said, 'Tell them to do two things, save the Sox and send more money'.

"Thank you coach. Thank you coach. It's a real privilege to have you here with us, and good luck to you next year."

"You can see Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a basketball team with us today. We'll let Representative Monroe Flinn introduce this team. Representative."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it's my privilege and honor to introduce the East St. Louis Lincoln High School Tigers. The Champion.... they're the Champion AA basketball players for the second time in a row, and the only one that I know of that's won three in the last decade. I would like to..for you to bear with us just a minute, I have Coach Bennie Davis, Sr. here who would like to introduce each one of them. We're extremely proud of this team and they're the best for a real good reason. They're a fine, fine bunch of young people and each year we are going to keep coming back and you will get tired of seeing me and the coach, but we will have different players every year. Coach Bennie Lewis, Sr.

"Okay, thank you very much. Starting from my left we have Stanford Riley, Marco Harris, Tiffany Morgan... you guys hold your hand up. Lawrence Bradford, James Lewis, Jason Rogers, Darian Nash, and All-American LaPhonso Harris... I'm sorry, Ellis. Cuonzo Martin and Bryant Stevenson, Chris McKinney, Sharif Ford, Vincent Jackson and Corey Jennings. Thank you very much."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, and thank you, all of you young people who are here today. We have a couple of people who would like to speak. I think Representative Dunn of Macon. Recognize Representative 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 100th Legislative Day Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There are a lot of University of Illinois Graduates and University of Illinois fans who are Members of this General Assembly. There are, however, only two graduates of the University of Notre Dame who are Members of this House of Representatives. The Speaker and I, and both of us would like Mr. LaPhonso Ellis to know, that we're the equal of all of those U. of Illinois fans, and we're delighted to have you at the University of Notre Dame, where you receive a good education. We're proud of you already, and as Alumni of Notre Dame, we'll be proud of you all your life. Thank you for going to Notre Dame."

"Before we sign off, we have Representative Panayotovich from Cook County, former Democrat."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to congratulate these young men. They beat the team from my district both times, St. Francis Des Sailes High School. They beat here in that tournament, and they beat them of course in the finals. So I wish you well, and good luck and we'll be back looking at you next year."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen for the fine welcome. We have one more here. Representative Robert Olson."

"I would like to Coach Bennie and Alfonso and the group to tell them where my hometown is and I congratulate them, but I'm kind of sad too. I'm from Lincoln, Illinois, coach and we played you a couple of times and I think we beat you."

"Okay. Thank you, all of you and give them a nice round of applause on their departure."

"Now, Representative Cullerton will give us another introduction."

"The House will come to order. This is a little scary 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 to realize that we have a Republican lobbyist allowed up on the podium. Doug Donenfeld is here with his sister, and we have House Resolution #1348. I don't want to call this Resolution for a vote yet, because I want Mr. Donenfeld to do a little more lobbying, but I want you to know that his sister, Susan... Suzy Katz of San Francisco is here, and she is the current reigning Mrs. America. So I would like you to please welcome Mrs. America, Suzy Katz.

"Thank you, thank you very much. I know you have a long, busy day ahead of you. I appreciate the opportunity to stand before you, and see how the government operates. But I'm convinced after spending the good part of the day in the building, that my clout is not this, but this. So, nice to meet all of you and thank you, very much."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are planning to go now to the Supplemental Appropriation Bill and then to Motions to Discharge. So, look at your Calandar and be prepared. Ladies and Gentlemen, while we are clearing the floor the Clerk will read into the record House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #13, in compliance with the Constitution."

"House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #13, resolved by the House of Representatives, the 85th General Assembly, the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein. There shall be submitted to the electors of the state for adoption rejection of the general election next occurring at least six months after the adoption of the Resolution. Proposition to amend Section 8 of Article IX, the Constitution reads as follows: SECTION 8. TAX SALES (a) Real property shall not be sold for the nonpayment of taxes or special assessments without judicial proceedings. (b) (1) The right of redemption from all sales of real estate 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 for the nonpayment of taxes or special assessments, except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection (b), shall exist in favor of owners and persons interested in such real estate for not less than two years following such sales. (2) The right of redemption from the sale for nonpayment of taxes or special assessments of a parcel real estate which: (A) is vacant non-farm real estate or (B) contains an improvement consisting of a structure or structures each of which contains 7 or more residential units or (C) is commercial or industrial property; and upon which all or a part of the general taxes for each of 5 or more years are delinquent shall exist in favor of owners and persons interested in such real estate for not less than 90 days following such sales. (c) Owners, occupants and parties interested shall be given reasonable notice of the sale and the date of expiration of the period of redemption as the General Assembly provides by law. Amendment adopted at general election November 4, 1980.

"Mr. McCracken for the purpose of an announcement. Will the Members please give their attention to Mr. McCracken. Mr. McCracken has a very important announcement to make."

"This is very important. I cannot emphasize that enough. Tomorrow morning at 10:00 there will be a party in honor of Governor Thompson's birthday. That'll be in the Governor's Office for cake and punch, and we'll all be there."

"On page 24 of the Calendar. On page 24 of the Calendar, on the order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, appears Senate Bill 1520. Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day House."

May 5, 1988 "Mr. Bowman, could you wait for one minute please? Mr. Bowman we shall take this matter from the record and we shall go to page 34 of the Calendar on the Order of Concurrence. There appears House Bill 1685. The Chair recognizes Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would wish to move to concur with Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8."

"Mr. Leverenz, did you wish to offer an explanation of the Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 reduced it to $2.00 as a vehicle. Amendment #2, is the supplemental for a total amount of 261,221 and would defer to Representative Bowman for the detail."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. These Amendments adopted in the Senate...are contained essentially in the Amendment #78, which was put on your desks yesterday. These are equivalent appropriations, the total is approximately 166,000,000 of general funds for the purpose of meeting our Medicaid reimbursement responsibilities and our responsibilities for funding foster care for the remainder of this year. The remaining items in this Legislation are very small. I believe none is in excess of two or two and a half million dollars. But I would be happy to respond to specific questions about specific items other than the ones I have mentioned. I move adoption... I'm sorry, I now move that we concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8."

"The Motion is to concur with several Amendments. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is 'Shall the House concur in the Amendments.' Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 110 'aye', no one voting 'no', the House does concur in the Amendments and the Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On the order of Supplemental Calendar #1, there appears several Motions. The plan of the Chair will be to recognize the person who has filed the Motion, and then to recognize the Chairman of the Committee, which is subject to the Motion to discharge the committee. So on House Bill 1190, the Chair recognizes Mr. Ropp. Mr. Ropp. The Chair wishes to advise the Members that we are preparing one more supplemental, but for your Motion to appear on the next supplemental, which will be the last supplemental, you must file that Motion with the Clerk within the next one half hour. So there is one half hour left to file Motions. Mr. McCracken, the Clerk informs me that Mr. Ropp is excused today. Did you have someone else to... no. House Bill 1383, Mr. Parke. Is Mr. Parke in the Chamber? House Bill 2875, Mr. McCracken." McCracken: House. "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House Bill 2875, was considered in transportation. I am respectfully asking that that committee be discharged. There was some discussion about the matter. I misstated a couple of the conditions which affect the operation of the Bill. I caught them in the middle of the Roll Call. I don't know if it had an effect on the Roll Call. It seemed to have an effect on the Roll Call. And I'm respectfully requesting that I have the opportunity to present this Bill to the House."

"Mr. Ronan. The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Transportation Committee, Mr. Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to oppose Representative 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 McCracken's measure, but you know what, it got...the vote in committee was 9 to 12, and now that I look at the Bill I don't oppose it a whole lot. So, why doesn't everybody vote their conscience on this Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Transportation be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 2875.' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 97 'ayes', 9 'no'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 2918, Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, I move to ....I would like to withdraw this Motion please."

"The Motion shall be withdrawn. House Bill 2970, Mr. Ropp. House Bill 3093, Mr. Hicks. Is Mr. Hicks in the chamber? House Bill 3094, Mr. Hicks. House Bill 3177, Mr. Kubik. Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call the Motion. House Bill 3151, Mr. Martinez. Is Mr. Martinez in the chamber? House Bill 3153, Mr. Martinez. House Bill 3195, Mr. Hultgren. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 3197, Mr. Hultgren, 3197. Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 3310, Mr. Hallock, Mr. Hallock. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Motion. House Bill 3369, Mr. Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to discharge the Revenue Committee on House Bill 3369. I'm Co-Sponsor of that legislation with Representative Braun. She wasn't here this week because of illness, so the Bill did not get a hearing in committee. It's a Bill that would help the Chicago School District meet some of it's needs for the next fiscal year, and I will be glad to answer any 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 questions concerning the Legislation. The Bill isn't needed, and because there wasn't an adequate hearing, it would be an opportunity to discuss the measure on the floor. Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the committee, Mr. Keane. Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Ronan indicated correctly that Representative Braun has been ill this week, did not... the presentation probably wasn't as good as it could have been in her absence and I really can't oppose his override Motion."

"Mr. McGann."

"Mr. Speaker, I know you set the rules before, but I do believe that this Bill had an equitable and fair hearing. And it should not have the success of being discharged."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I think I may have left the wrong impression with the Body. I said that we would recognize the person making the Motion, then the Chair of the committee, and I apparently left the impression that we would recognize no one else. That is not the case SO Mr. McGann, did you wish to speak further on this question? Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I continued that I'd say that they..that ... Mr. Ronan presented the Bill on behalf of Representative Braun, and he stated that he did not have a fair hearing. I do believe he did have a fair hearing, and I think it was the thought of the subcommittee that heard it and this piece of Legislation felt as though it was not favorable to pass out, and I think that every Member of the House floor should consider this in their vote. Thank you."

"Mr. Ronan."

"No. Yeah.. Just to clarify... Representative McGann's 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 incorrect. He's talking about a different Bill that I did present in the committee this week. This Bill was not presented to the committee because Representative Braun was not in attendance this week. So that there was no presentation of this Bill to the committee. I just... I understand Representative McGann's opposition, and I respect that, but the Bill was not presented to the committee this week."

"Mr. McGann."

"I wish we had the tapes, I won't take the time of the House floor to look up the tapes but the Bill was com...was considered. I have no further remarks to make on it. I hope the Members will vote accordingly."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Revenue be discharged from further consideration of the Bill'? Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 16 'ayes', 82 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3385, Mr. Hicks.

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. If we could, I would like to go back in the records, sir, to.. I have filed a Motion on House Bill 3093. I would like to have that heard first, Sir."

"Fine. Mr. Clerk, remove this matter from the record and let us call House Bill 3093, Mr. Hicks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to discharge Elementary and Secondary Education Committee on House Bill 3093. This Bill was heard shortly in committee at 8:00 o'clock yesterday morning. There were barely enough Members... I think at the time there were 16 Members in the committee present at the time, it takes 14 to get it out. I would ask for...to I would move for discharge of this 11  100th Legislative Day Bill."

STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 Elementary "Gentleman moves to discharge the Committee on and Secondary Education from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes the Chair of the committee, Mr. Mulcahey."

"I have no objections, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman has no objection. Those in favor of the Motion, signify by saying 'aye', those opposed by saying 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The 'ayes' it, the Motion is adopted, and there is leave for the Attendance Roll Call. Mr. Hicks did you wish to call 3094?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would. The same Bill, the same.. Motion would stand. I would move to discharge from the committee House Bill 3094."

"On House Bill 3094, Mr. Hicks moves to discharge the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Mulcahey."

"I have no objections Mr. Speaker."

"The Chair has no objection. Those in favor of the Motion say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Motion is adopted, and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. The Chair recognizes Mr. Matijevich for the purpose of a Motion. Mr. Matijevich, a Motion."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask leave of the House, use of the Attendance Roll Call to waive the posting notice and the rule whereby a committee cannot meet while we are in Session, for the purpose of the House Rules Committee meeting immediately in the House Speaker's Conference Room for consideration of House Resolution 1340."

"Is there a leave? Leave is granted. The Rules 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 Committee will convene in the Speaker's Conference Room immediately. Would all Members of the Rules Committee please retire to the Speaker's Conference Room. House Bill 3385, Mr. Hicks."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would move to discharge Elementary and Secondary Education on House Bill 3385. This Bill was not heard yesterday, there were not sufficient Members in the committee. I would ask for the Motion."

"The Gentleman moves to discharge the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Mulcahey."

"I have no objections, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted? Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Motion is adopted, and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 3386, Mr. Hicks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The same on House Bill 3386, I would move to discharge the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"I have no objections, Mr. Speaker."

"Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Motion is adopted and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. Returning to the first page of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 3151, Mr. Martinez."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the House. I move that ... to discharge from higher education, Bill number, ..House Bill 3151, and advance to the order of Second Reading. The reason my Bill wasn't heard yesterday was 13  100th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 that there was insufficient Members to properly hear the Bill."

"Gentleman moves to discharge the Committee on Higher Education from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes the Chair of the committee, Representative Satterthwaite."

"I have no objection Mr. Speaker."

"Those in favor.. the Chair recognizes Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you. I ..I didn't understand the explanation, Sir. Had the Bill been called in committee?"

"Yes, it was posted for hearing yesterday, but there was insufficient Members, there to hear it."

"I'm sorry, I can't hear."

"Insufficient Members to hear it."

"Okay. Alright, thank you."

"Those in .... Mr. Weaver."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm a Member of this committee, and when the Bill was called, Mr. Martinez was not there. We gave sufficient time, I felt, for all Bills to be heard. As a matter of fact we went through the roster several times. Those people who had Bills posted who were not there. So I think it definitely did have a chance to be considered and we should defeat this Motion."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker, it is true that Representative Martinez came into the committee hearing and waited for some time, but we were unable to get to his Bills. As he perceived the movement of committee Members in and out of the Chamber, he determined at one point that there was not a quorum and felt that it was impossible for him to have his Bill heard. It is true that later on some Members returned and we again had a quorum, but I think that he is 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 right in his supposition that when he thought his Bill was going to be called there would not have been a quorum present."

"The Gentleman has moved to discharge the Committee on Higher Education from further consideration of the Bill. Those in favor, signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 64 'ayes', 39 'nos', the Motion is adopted. House Bill 3153, Mr. Martinez."

"Thank you Mr. Chairman, Members of the House. For the same reasons, I was not able to move the House Bill 3153 out of the committee. There was insufficient Members."

"The Gentleman moves to discharge the Committee on Higher Education from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes the Chair of the committee,

Representative Satterthwaite.' Satterthwaite: "I have no objection, it's the same story as the previous Bill."

"Those in favor of the Motion signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 66 'ayes', 39 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 3394, Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A similar situation happened to me in Human Services, although it's possible the Chairman isn't aware of that, because he had to be in another committee at the time that I was waiting in his committee. The Human Services Committee lost its quorum Tuesday, and did end up adjourning without hearing the package of Aids Protection Bills that I had before it. I was not able to come to the 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 committee at the very beginning of the committee hearing because I was negotiating the Bills with people in my office virtually the entire day until the committee was actually in Session. House Bill 3394 relates to the notification to schools of children who are infected with the Aids virus. Last year we provided that the Public Health Authorities when they learn of such a child of school age, must notify the school authorities of that fact. The Governor amendatorily vetoed that Bill to change...to take out the superintendent notification, and the school people have found that unworkable. This Bill would restore the superintendent, and I move that we discharge Human Services from further consideration"

"For what purpose does Mr. White arise?"

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Sponsor of the Motion is debating the Bill, And at this time, I would like to ask this Body to side with the committee system, and reject her Motion for discharge from the Human Services Committee. She was correct, I was not there in the beginning of the committee, and she was not there as well. But I was present the latter part of the hearing, and at that point in time she was not there, and a quorum was present. So I ask this Body to reject this Motion."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. I rise in support of the Representative's Motion. She is correct in saying when she appeared we did not have a quorum. The Chairman came in quite late, and therefore he did not notice what was happening with the committee. But there was not a quorum. It's the same story that Representative Martinez had stated regarding his committee. Therefore, I ask that we do allow this Motion to be discharged. Thank 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day you."

"Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker, on Tuesday we heard 25 Bills. May 5, 1988 Twenty-two were voted out of the committee, including my Bill. We also have Mr. Berrios, who was sitting in for me at the time, and he would like to shed some light on some of the statements that were made...some statements that were made." of the incorrect

"Mr. Berrios."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I sat in for Representative White while he was missing yesterday, and at all times we had a quorum and Representative Pullen never asked me to call her Bill while I was there. So I would support the Chairman of the committee and ask that you vote no on this Bill."

"Representative Pullen."

"Mr. Chairman, I..Mr. Speaker, excuse me. I don't think that it's necessarily appropriate to get into an argument or a numbers game here, because there was not a quorum questioned. No one on the committee questioned the quorum so that it can't be documented whether a quorum was present or not. So you can take a Member's word for it or not as you choose. I can tell you that I can count heads, and that I can tell you that there was not a quorum present. As soon as the Bill was over that was being heard at the time that I came in, three Members left the room after that Bill, and there were no longer enough Members to vote out anything. Unless it was completely agreed so that an Attendance Roll Call could be heard. I'm not objecting to the Chairman not being there, I understand those things. There was no opportunity for these Bills to be heard, Mr. Speaker. And they are of very great importance, I believe, to the people of Illinois. And I would seek a yes vote on 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day this discharge Motion."

"Mr. McCracken." May 5, 1988 I agree with the Lady. We "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. have no tape, we have no record. I don't doubt what either side is saying about this. I don't think that what they are saying is necessarily inconsistent. What I think is consistent between the parties, is that Representative Pullen was there, she sought to have the Bill called. felt that she couldn't do it because of a lack of a quorum present. Regardless of what the Attendance Roll Call may have shown. She We've had a lot of those Bills come up today where Members have made the Motion because they were unable to get a quorum, unable to get the vote. You know, this is a controversial subject matter, but we're not addressing the underlying controversy. We're asking you to give the same consideration to our side that has been given to the other side, and that's all we're asking. Feel free to vote against the Bill. I know there will be some heat generated as a result of this. But let's not kill the Bill this way."

"Mr. Stephens."

"Mr. Speaker, because of the nature of these Bills, I think it's appropriate that they be brought to the House Floor. We talked about discharge Motions earlier today that the substance of the Bill, I stand in opposition to, but I'm willing, and I think we ought to all be willing in extraordinary circumstances, such as the Lady has outlined to allow the Bills to be brought to the floor, so that it can be debated. If they're going to be defeated, defeat them here on the House floor, but let them have a chance to be heard."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Human Services be discharged from further consideration of the 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day Bill?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? May 5, 1988 Have all voted Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 67 'ayes', 34 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 3467, Mr. Pedersen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3467 was heard in committee. We did have a vote. We missed it by one and there were a number of people missing and I think had they been there, we would have been able to pass this one out. The main reason I'd like to continue with this Bill is that it has to do, among other things, with the Metropolitan Sanitary District of Chicago. And one of the commissioners has indicated an interest in trying to resolve this problem, so I would like to keep it open so that we can at least discuss it further, and maybe come to some agreement. So I would move to discharge from committee House Bill 3467."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As usual the Executive Committee did a good job. We did hear all of the Bills? This particular piece of Legislation that I do recall that there was a full quorum at the meeting. The Bill did receive a good hearing. That it did come in violation with some federal rulings, with regard to the clean water. And it would have been in violation of some federal laws, and it did not receive a sufficient number of votes in the committee, therefore I would object to the discharge Motion."

"The question is... Mr. McCracken."

"I think the situation where Members are not present for a vote is not so different from a situation where you 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 don't even have enough Members for a quorum. I'm sure all the reasons for our being absent from various committees at various times are good ones, but I think we would all want to have a shot at the full Committee Membership on a controversial matter. I really don't see a substantial difference between this case and that of various other Members. And I would ask you to vote for this Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 47 'ayes', 60 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3474, Mr. Churchill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3474 is a Bill which deals with regulation and registration. It's a Bill which when it was drafted wa was, everybody assumed it would go into the Registration Regulation Committee. It's a part of a larger picture that that committee has been dealing with for a bunch of years. But unfortunately the Bill got signed to Revenue Committee. There was a hearing on it in a subcommittee, not in the full committee, and the Bill did fail in the subcommittee. It's part of the administration's package dealing with criminal investigation of drug issues. The department feels very strongly that this is a Bill that should be out on the floor and should be subject to debate and possible passage. On behalf of the department, I would ask to move to discharge House Bill 3474 from the committee.

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the committee, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would oppose the discharge Motion. All the Bills in Revenue Committee are heard by 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 subcommittee. This one had its hearing. There was a good deal of discussion, as I remember. There .. the nursing association was violently opposed to this Bill and convinced the Members of the subcommittee to vote against it, and I think it had its hearing and doesn't need another one. I would oppose the Motion."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know what the use made of the subcommittee is in this particular case, but you know they don't have any jurisdiction or authority to report out Bills in a binding fashion. So in effect by sending a Bill to subcommittee, although I'm sure the intention is good, Representative Churchill never got a vote from the only Body with the authority to move that Bill. And that's the full committee. You know a subcommittee here is not like a subcommittee in Washington. I respectfully submit that we should have had a vote by the full committee. And I believe Representative Churchill was entitled to that."

"Mr. Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Motion. The underlying piece of Legislation would take money which is to be generated from fines imposed for violation of the Nursing Act and transfer those funds into the Department of Revenue for purposes totally unrelated. The Nurse Practice Act had about two years of solid negotiations. This piece of it was never brought up and never considered. And I think we should oppose this Motion to discharge at this time, and put an end to this concept. So I urge a 'red' vote."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield."

"Sponsor yields." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988

"Representative, did you appear before the full Revenue Committee and ask for the Bill to be called?"

"I did not."

"Thank you."

"It was dead in the subcommittee."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 40 'ayes', 65 'nos', the Motion fails. Mr. Piel indicates that he'd like to be recorded 'aye'. On 3566, the Sponsor indicates that he does not wish to call the Motion. House Bill 3598, Mr. McCracken. Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not call House Bill 3598 in the Judiciary I Committee because as of yesterday's hearing, I could not commit to the interested parties that we would not seek further Amendments to the Bill. I felt I really couldn't really proceed on that basis. We have since concluded our discussions and the Bill will, if it is discharged from committee will be moved only in the form, or substantially the form that it is in now. The interested parties are agreeable to that, and I would ask that, because I was unable to make that commitment yesterday but can do SO now, that we discharge the committee."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As Chairman of House Judiciary I Committee, I rise in support of the Gentlemen's Motion and urge everyone to put a green vote up there for this Motion. Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield for a question? I didn't quite understand exactly what you said. I know that 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 the Bill is somewhat controversial, and there were some groups that were perhaps negotiating over a possible agreement. Did you say that you did not reach an agreement?"

"Yes, we..well we hadn't yesterday, that's why I didn't call it. But we have since then."

"Oh, you have reached an agreement?"

"Yes."

"Okay..."

"And I don't know...I'm sorry."

"And that will result in an Amendment to this Bill?"

"Yes, an agreed Amendment."

"Fine."

"The Chair wishes to announce that the Clerk will accept no more Motions to discharge committee. We have now reached the hour of 4:00 and we have closed the opportunity to file Motions discharge committee. The question is, 'Shall the committee be discharged?' Those in favor signify by voting, 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are '106' ayes, 1 'no', the Motion is adopted. House Bill 3659, Representative Williamson. The Lady indicates she does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 3517, Representative Wojcik. The Clerk wishes to inform the Body that House Bill 3517 was reported 'do pass' by the committee. Clerk wishes to report that House Bill 3717 was reported 'do pass' by the committee and already appears on the Calendar. House Bill 3838, Representative Barnes. 3838."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would like an opportunity to bring House Bill 3838 to the floor, and I have discussed it with the 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 Chairman. It did get a favorable vote out of the subcommittee, and the full committee misunderstood that it would require an appropriations and it does not."

"Mr. Keane."

"I have no opposition to this discharge Motion."

"Motion is, 'Shall the committee be discharged from further consideration?' Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Motion is adopted and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 3839, Mr. Churchill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3839 is a Bill which amends the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act. And it's a Bill that was posted in the Executive and Veterans Affairs Committee, and the committee did a fine job. Everybody was there, the Chairman was in good shape, the spokesman was in good shape, unfortunately I got tied up in a Revenue Committee hearing and could not get out and I did not make it. So, I'm sure the committee did a great job, and I'm asking to discharge the committee and have a hearing here."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Representative Churchill was correct, we did do a great job. We were in committees from 8:00 in the morning up until almost 11:30 later on and we did hear all of the Bills that were put before us. Apparently Representative Churchill did not show up and therefore I would make a Motion that we do not discharge."

"Those in favor of the Motion. Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to support the Motion to discharge. It is correct we were there all day, we did listen to all the debates of those that were there. Representative Churchill unfortunately got tied up in other committees and his other responsibilities, unfortunately 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 couldn't make it in time, so I would like to at least extend the courtesy as we do on others to allow him to have his Bill heard. So I support his Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 57 'ayes', 48 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3862, Mr. Parke. House Bill 3889, Mr. Churchill. House Bill 3926, Representative Barnes. House Bill 3927, Representative Barnes. House Bill 3957, Representative Deuchler. House Bill 3958, Representative Parcells. House Bill 3967, Mr. Stange. House Bill 4000, Representative Pullen. Representative Pullen: Pullen." "Mr. Speaker, House Bill 4000 is again an AIDS Protection Bill which could not be heard in the House Committee on Human Services Monday...Tuesday, excuse me, because of attendance problems. I would appreciate the House following the practices they did on the previous Bill and I move to discharge this Bill from further consideration from the Human Services Committee."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the committee, Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we find ourselves back into the same kind of a situation we were in earlier, where a Sponsor never came to the committee to present a Bill and decided to use this mode in order to get a Bill heard on the floor of the House. If the committee system is to become..is to remain viable, we should reject this tactic and we should reject this Motion to discharge from the Human Services Committee."

"Representative Wojcik." 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 100th Legislative Day

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. I rise in support of the Representative, and I would like to state that she did come to committee. I visibly saw her in the back of the room. She realized there was not enough for a quorum to take a vote, and therefore she left. But she was in the room, she was at the committee, and she did make an attempt to have her Bills, but when she realized it would not pass, she left."

"Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker, a true test of a person's willingness or desire to have a Bill heard is for he or she to come to the Chairman, ask for her Bill to be heard, so her name could be put on the list, and this way we can deal with this matter. But just to peep into the door or walk in and just realize the fact that there is not a quorum, people who are friendly to our piece of Legislation, is not fair. So again, I ask this Body to reject this approach and to reject this appeal for a discharge Motion from Human Services Committee."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, I don't think this situation is SO different either from Representative Pullen's other Bill, or the circumstances in which a number of people have made these Motions today. I hope this isn't the result of some disagreement over the underlying Bills. But I just can't see a distinction between her previous situation or that even of other Members who arise today. I would ask you to vote on the merits of the discharge Motion and not the underlying Bill."

"Representative Frederick."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm not rising to speak on whether or not the the... Sponsor of the Bill had a fair hearing or not, but I 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 am rising asking you to support the Motion because it is a very important issue. Especially to victims of sexual assault, and I just hope you'll vote yes on the Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the committee be discharged from further consideration of the Bill?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Will someone...Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 81 'ayes' and 23 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 4005, Representative Pullen."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is also an Aids Protection Bill. It falls into the same category as the two previous Bills. And this Bill is very important to the health care workers of this state. It's too important to allow committee attendance problems to stop the House from considering it, in my estimation, and I would ask, please for your favorable consideration of the discharge Motion on House Bill 4005."

"Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill was posted two weeks in a row, and yet the Bill was not called nor was it heard. Again we go back to the same tactic that I explained earlier, where a Member does not wish to present the Bill because they are afraid that they may not get enough friendly votes, and then use the discharge system in order to win favored understanding. Again, I ask this Body to reject this Motion for discharge from the Human Services Committee."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Again, I must say that the same situation occurred, and I think by the last vote that was cast it's an indication that the Members of this august Body would like to have these Bills heard, and I would say 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 that she had the same problems, and therefore I am in support of the Motion to discharge."

"The question is, 'Shall the committee be discharged from further consideration of the Bill?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 74 'ayes', 26 'nos' the Motion is adopted. House Bill 4158, Mr. Ronan. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Motion. House Bill 4195, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4195 is the Illinois Clean Indoor Air Act that was before the Executive Committee. Unfortunately, this piece of Legislation which affects over seven million non-smokers in the State of Illinois, did not have a second hearing because of too many smokers on the committee. However, you are talking about the leading killer in the United States, which is tobacco. The Illinois Clean Indoor Air Act, has been before this committee, it affects all the people of the State of Illinois and certainly deserves the recognition and a breath of clean air, and should be brought before the House, and I therefore move to discharge the Executive Committee, and it also has the approval from the Chairman of the Executive Committee."

"The Gentleman moves to discharge the committee from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Hallock.".

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I am pleased to rise in support of this Motion. We all know what the Bill is of course. It has been around for many, many years. But I would say to you that the magnitude of the issue is one we should debate here in the full House Chamber. More and more records seem to indicate that 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 smoking is, in fact, harmful. That we should let our Members debate that issue and decide here once and for all on the House Floor, whether or not we should pass this Bill. It's a good idea. I move to discharge the committee."

"Mr. Shaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In the event that this Bill get enough our vote. I would seek verification. But, what I would like to say is that this is Representative Terzich's own committee, and he stands here and asks us to discharge his own committee, when he cannot get this Bill out of his committee. He..this Bill have been heard at least three times on the floor of the House and in committee. I don't know why he keep bringing this Bill back up the Members has consistently defeated it. Under the House rules, you only get three chances... two chances to hear this type of Bill, or any Bill. But, he wanted to bend that, and this is the same Bill as House Bill 20. The same identical Bill. And if we do this for him, every other person in here would be asking the same thing and they would be entitled to it. And we have just voted down some people that maybe didn't get a fair hearing on their Bill. But, Representative Terzich here has had a fair hearing on his Bill. Now he has brought it to the full floor of the House, and he's asking us again to vote on this Bill for a fourth time, at least a fourth time. And I served as a Member of that committee. I was there when he didn't receive the votes. But, at the same time, I ask the Members of this House to vote this down, and that he has had a full hearing on this Motion..on this Bill.

"Mr. Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 May 4, 1988 of this year, the Executive Committee met for the final time and the Sponsor chose not to call House Bill 4195. He didn't have the votes in that committee, he's the Chairman of that committee. He knew the votes weren't there, and he had two hours and fifteen minutes to conduct the business of his committee and take action on that Bill. The Bill has received a fair hearing in this chamber. It's certainly had it's due time in this..in the process, and I would encourage all of the Members, in fairness to this Legislation and in fairness to all the other Member's Legislation that have Bills that have never been called before in this process, to oppose the Motion."

"Mr. DeLeo."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. I also rise in opposition of this discharge Motion. As not to repeat what just been spoken to, but this Bill, an identical Bill has been heard on March 25, 1987, May 21, 1987, April 20, 1988, April 27, 1988, and again the committee was...yesterday May 4th. This has been debated, debated, debated, debated, debated on. The Chairman of the committee which I have all due respect for in the world, my dear friend. He was the Chairman of that committee, that committee had hours and hours of work time that was adolescent yesterday. It could have been called, it wasn't called. Therefore I rise in opposition of this Motion."

"Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I happen to be in that committee the other day, and you know I'd sort of like to take exception with what the Chairman has said. The Bill right before we adjourned, somebody asked for the Attendance Roll Call and the Chairman said no. We took a Roll Call and the vote was eighteen to nothing. We had more than enough Members in 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 the committee. The... Gentleman who is sponsoring the Motion was also the Chairman of the committee started out by saying it was all smokers on the committee. Well, the ones I could think of just off the top of my head very quickly, who are non-smokers, who are sitting there, Stephens, Petka, Pullen, Klemm, Terzich, Olson, Rice. I mean over half the committee are non-smokers. So is..is you know fallacy that he is trying to bring before everybody that was all full of smokers and .. you know obviously he didn't have a fair hearing. You know he mentioned a minute ago when he was opposing somebody else's Bill. He said we sat in committee from 8:00 until 11:30. That's true. He had more than enough time, with more than enough Members there, we had over three fourths of the Members there when we finally adjourned. And he said you know we heard all the Bills before us. Well his Bill was before us and he never wanted to call it. And there was no reason for discharge and I would agree with the Chairman on his comments to a previous person who wanted a Motion of discharge. We heard all the Bills before us, he personally did not want to call his Bill and I don't think there is any reason for discharge and I would ask for a 'no' vote on this Motion."

"Mr. Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Motion to discharge. I..there's been discussion about how long this issue has been pending, and I would suggest to the Members that the issue will be pending and will remain with us until the problem is solved. One of the most significant things which has happened with regard to this entire issue in recent days and weeks is a middle aged man name Reynolds. I forget his first name, but he is the grandson of the Reynolds of R. J. 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day Reynolds Tobacco May 5, 1988 Company, has come out and begun to lead the fight against smoking. Talk about someone working against his own financial interest. And the reason he said he's doing that is that he has very few memories of his own father, who was a chief executive of R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. His own father, if I recall correctly, died at age 51. And he said all I can remember about my father is him sitting around gasping for breath and dying. And he said I am a middle aged man, 40 years old, I can't live with myself at any price for encouraging other people to suffer that kind of illness and death, and he is out working against his own net worth, leading the fight to curb smoking. Side stream smoke hurts, damages, causes illness. The evidence is there. The issue is coming, we passed Legis... we passed a rule right here in this chamber about a year ago to ban smoking in House Committees. And the smokers have been very good about that. The non-smokers, I think are ..I for one am very, very grateful. And I know my health has improved because we don't have smoke in the committee rooms. That's a good thing."

"For what purpose ..."

"The day is coming..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Dunn, excuse me. For what purpose is Mr. Laurino seek recognition?"

"Well Mr. Speaker, I think the Gentleman is talking to the issue and not the Motion. And I would suggest that he stick to the Motion itself. Thank You."

"Mr. Flinn. Mr. Dunn, did you wish to finish?

"Yes. I would like to finish. If the Gentleman ...previous Speaker thinks I am just blowing smoke, then I will grind to a halt. Discharge this Bill and get it out so we can get this issue where it belongs, in the statute 32  100th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 books. Vote green.

"Mr. Klemm: "

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know this isn't the same Bill that you've heard before. Representative Terzich has worked with a number of opponents of a Bill to try to satisfy their concerns, and I think has done SO in many cases, such as the restaurant association. And as minority spokesman for the Executive Committee, fully I know sometimes Bills just cannot get out of certain committees. Now you know that. And you have seen so many times this Session where Bills have been, say, from the Insurance Committee assigned to the Consumer Protection Committee, or education Bills assigned to other committees, because they have difficult times. This is an issue, I think, that's important enough that goes beyond committee action even, so that we, as Representatives of our district can debate this question. Because I think the question is important enough. I think the Gentleman deserves an opportunity to have this new drafted Bill debated before the entire House and I stand in support of his discharge Motion.

"Mr. Matijevich."

"Chairman, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. There is no question about it, Bob Terzich is a fair Committee Chairman. Naturally he's going to be fair to himself. But I think this is one issue as somebody said in the last issue, that it is so important that all of the House ought to vote on it. I'm sure that all of you who voted, and received the majority votes, to vote on the three Bills on AIDS did it in the interest of public health. If you did that in the interest of public health, surely you must vote to discharge this Bill and have everybody on the floor of the House vote on this issue in the interest of public health. When this Bill was first considered, and it is 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 different as Representative Klemm said. It only received a handful of votes. Each successive year it has received many more. I have a feeling that this may be the year. And if it is, the time has come, and it is the right time, and I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. If I may quote the Sponsor of this Bill, who also is the Chairman of the committee. A little while ago on Representative Peterson's Bill, House Bill 3467, he said that: 'the Executive Committee had a full quorum. The Executive Committee had a fair hearing. The Executive Committee, did not ... the Bill did not receive sufficient number of votes in committee.' I therefore see no reason that this Bill should not be discharged. And that Motion lost 47 to 60. We have the same situation here. It had a fair hearing, it went down. Don't forget last spring we passed a Resolution out of this House, that asks the business community to put together a non-smoking package for their businesses. We haven't even given it a chance. Let's give it a chance. Let us not discharge this committee."

"Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned before, that certainly we did discharge the Committee with regard to AIDS. You are talking about a subject matter that there are over seven million, seven million non-smokers in the State of Illinois. They want to keep up the fight. The State of Illinois is one of the last of the eight states in the United States to adopt such a law. The City Council of the City of Chicago adopted similar Legislation which came out of committee today. People want to keep up the fight. All of the people that I've heard from and I'm sure you 34  100th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 have, want this type of Legislation. The Illinois General Assembly should certainly give the voters of the State of Illinois that consideration of their health, safety and welfare. And I would urge your support to discharge the Executive Committee."

"The question is, 'Shall the committee be discharged for further consideration of the Bill?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 46 'ayes', 41 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3927, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to discharge House Bill 3927 from the Counties and Township Committee. I have discussed it with Representative Steczo, and he has no problem with that."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday in the Counties and Townships Committee this Bill was defeated with a lot of present votes, because unfortunately, due to the Sponsor's other business, another person was designated as the person who presented the Bill to the committee. And because there were a couple of questions that we couldn't have answered by the Sponsor, many of the Committee Members did vote present. However, the Sponsor subsequently has indicated she would be willing to work on the couple of issues that we had. So, there.. seemingly with that assurance, would be no opposition, so I would ask the House to support this Motion."

"Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted, and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 House Bill 4205, Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is the last Aids Protection Bill that did not come out of Human Services on Tuesday, because it could not have a hearing. And it is a very important Bill, because it relates to testing of child molesters. I would urge the House to discharge House Bill 4205 for Human Services. Thank You."

"Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Again we're being used for someone's advantage. The Committee process is in place to deal with the Bills that are presented to it. But the Bill has not been presented, it's kind of hard for us to vote it up or down. So again, I ask this Body to reject this Motion to discharge from the Human Services Committee."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative Pullen, I'm sorry, I did not hear the explanation that you gave on the earlier Bills, as to the circumstances surrounding your presenting this, or not presenting it in the committee. I know.."

"I'll be happy to go through it again. I hope it doesn't result in another big exchange back and forth, about who can count, but I was engaged virtually the entire day Tuesday in negotiations on this package of Bills. When those negotiations concluded I went to the committee. At the end of the Bill that was being heard when I went to the committee, three Members left the room. At that point, there were not enough Members on the committee to vote any Bill out on a Roll Call that would be taken individually on that Bill. I stood there for several minutes trying to assess the situation. I went out into the hall to talk 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 with other people who had been negotiating with me, and who were concerned with the Legislation. During the time that I was in the hall, I watched the process of Members in and out of the committee door, and at no time in my counting were there enough Members there to be able to take an individual Roll Call on a Bill and pass it from the committee. I'm not talking about the attitudes of the Members, I'm talking about the numbers of the Members present...I gave up on the committee getting its quorum back. There was never a challenge to the quorum, so there is no recording of the fact that there was not one, but there was not one."

"Earlier, on a Motion by Representative McCracken, we discharged the Bill because he indicated that as a result of the negotiations he had reached an agreement, and that agreement is going to be embodied in the Amendment. During the course of your negotiations on this Bill, did you reach an agreement with the people you were negotiating with? And are you going to..." Pullen "This particular Bill was not the subject of negotiations. There were two others that were and we did reach agreements with the parties on those. This Bill was caught in this situation because of my being involved in the negotiations on those other Bills in the package."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I again rise in support of the Representative and exactly what she said was true. As a minority spokesperson, I did try to help. her and I noticed that we did not have a quorum and we both felt that it would be a fruitless effort for her to present her Bills and have them be a failure. So I move that this Motion be accepted. Thank you." 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day

"Mr. White." May 5, 1988

"Mr. Speaker...as you can see, Representative Pullen's Bills are the only ones that have been asked to be discharged from this committee. And it's kind of strange that only her Bills, dealing with one subject matter, seem to be in question this afternoon. So again, I ask this Body to reject her discharge Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the committee be discharged from further consideration of the Bill?' Those in favor, signify by voting 'aye,' those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 69 'ayes', 30 'nos', the Motion is adopted. House Bill 4262. Mr. Weaver. 4262? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call this Motion. House Bill 4271, Mr. Phelps. The Gentleman does not wish to call this Motion. House Bill 4277, Mr. Hultgren."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. House Bill 4277 embodies the recommendation of the Technical Task Force on Mental Health, a task force that was established by Legislation passed by the House and Senate. And the task force began its duties earlier this year, but because of the deadline in reporting, only had approximately three and a half months to complete its work. One of the recommendations of the task force at the completion of its work, was that the task force be continued SO that it could do a more complete job of reporting on the list of legislative requirements that were set forth in the original legislation. This recommendation was agreed to by all four House Members on the task force and by all four Senate Members on the task force, but unfortunately this Bill did not have an opportunity to 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 receive a hearing in the full committee...but rather was...objected to in a subcommittee. I am joined by another task force Member, Representative Satterthwaite, in sponsoring this legislation and I believe also...she would join me in asking that the committee be discharged so that the task force can continue its work. Would ask for a favorable Roll Call on the Motion to discharge."

"The Chair recognizes the Chair of the committee, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. The Bill had a full hearing in the Mental Health Subcommittee of the State Government Administration Committee, received only one affirmative vote and I would defer for further...for further comment to the Chairman of that subcommittee, Representative McGann."

"Mr. McGann."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, and Members of the Assembly, I echo the remarks of the Chairman of the full State Administration Committee that there was a fair and equitable hearing regards to House Bill 4277. And it was felt as though by the majority of the subcommittee Members voting that stated that we felt as though the subject matter was contained in other Legislation and therefore, would be of no purpose to continue on with this task force. And I ask you to not support this discharge Motion. Thank you."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again we ...you know...we have these subcommittees. These subcommittees have no jurisdiction or authority in our rules to make any binding decisions. In effect then, although I'm sure their subcommittees are created in good faith, but the effect is, 39  100th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 to not have a vote by the only Body responsible for a decision on this issue. The only Body that can move the issue is the one from whom the vote is taken away. The...the effect may be to study Bills, but in reality, and it operates when our Bills are subjected to it as well as yours, is that the committee never gets a shot at that Bill. I suspect the Bill was not so complicated that it could not be digested in a regular committee process. I'm asking that the floor have an opportunity on it, precisely for that reason. The committee never acted on it."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion to discharge committee for this Bill. As a Joint, hyphenated, Cosponsor with Representative Hultgren, I wish to remind the Body that this task force had only about three months period of time in which to work. Representative McGann, who chairs the subcommittee that heard the Bill, was a part of that task force, and to my knowledge did not object to the report of that task force indicating the need for the continuation of our work. During the hearings that we were able to hold, we found that we were beginning to get a coalition of community health providers, of parents, of associations to work together in the community in a fashion that was beyond anything they had been able to accomplish earlier. I believe it will be detrimental to that process of bringing those groups together to try to fashion a better service delivery system for our Community Mental Health. And for that reason I would ask, even though it did have a hearing in the subcommittee, that the technicality of not having a committee action on it gives us justification for asking to bring the Bill before the full House for your consideration. I urge your support of this Motion." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988 100th Legislative Day

"Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minority Spokesman on the State Government Administration Committee, I would like to say that only two people voted against this Bill in subcommittee. Representative McCracken is correct. That vote does not hold for the whole committee. That means that two people have made the decision for 118. I think when a Bill is as important as this, that's a very poor way to run the House, and I urge you to vote 'yes'...vote 'yes' on this discharge Motion."

"Representative Morrow."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this Motion. I agree with the Chairman of the subcommittee and the Chairwomen of the full committee that adequate hearing was presented on this Bill, and for that reason, I rise in opposition."

"Mr. Regan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House...from a Representative that has three mental institutions of within 15 miles of my district office, I urge your support of the discharge. I understand that the task force is moving along very well. They've got some suggestions. They're coming up with some solutions. I think it's a very good idea. I urge a 'yes' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 73 'ayes', 37 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. On Supplemental #3, there appears House Bill 3530. Mr. Young. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 3818. Representative Davis?" 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is that 3819?" May 5, 1988

"3818. 3818. A Motion to discharge the Financial Institutions Committee."

"3818, Mr. Chairman, was a Bill there was some confusion over...language and we agreed to have that language written correctly and we...we've been working with the retail merchants and...to make sure they're in agreement with the language. And we'd ask for a favorable vote on this discharge Motion."

"Mr. Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. I was Chairing the Financial Institutions Committee that day and I would, reluctantly, have to say that this Bill did get a fair hearing. There were plenty and ample committee Members at that committee meeting and the Bill itself was thoroughly discussed."

"Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I also stand in opposition to the Lady's Motion. I would echo the sentiments of the previous speaker, Mr. Wolf, who was Chairman that day. The Bill did have a long and thorough hearing and it was defeated on a complete, nonpartisan basis. It was a situation to where the Lady had a hearing on it and the Bill did not get the right number of votes. And...I would ask everybody at this time to vote 'no' on the Lady's Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the committee be discharged from further consideration of the Bill?' Those in favor, signify by voting 'aye,' those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 35 'ayes', 66 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3820. Representative Davis." 42  100th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 5, 1988

"Mr. Speaker, on this Bill, I was in elementary/secondary education and by the time I arrived in revenue, they had dismissed or adjourned."

"The Lady moves to discharge the Committee on Revenue from further consideration of the Bill. The Chair recognizes the Chair of the committee, Mr. Keane."

"...Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I have no objection of this. The Bingo Lottery Subcommittee met for only a half hour. That's all it was scheduled for because we had only a few Bills and...it...I could see where, if someone else was working another Bill that was in another committee, they couldn't make it."

"Those in favor of the Motion say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 4119, Mr. Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill was heard in a subcommittee of the State Government Committee. It was approved by that subcommittee. Due to some oversight, though, it was not voted on by the full committee. And I would ask that the committee be discharged."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Currie."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I 'rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. The oversight was mine and I hope the House will permit Mr. Young's Bill to be heard on the House floor."

"Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 4145, Mr. Churchill?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4145 is Myron Olson's Bill and unfortunately, Myron is not here today. He has an excused 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 absence. He had an Amendment for this Bill that would have satisfied some of the problems with the Bill and the Bill probably should have gone through the committee. Because of his absence, he was not able to present that Amendment, and so I'm asking at this point, on his behalf, to discharge the committee and hear the Bill on the full House."

"Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the previous Speaker. We did not see the Amendment and had we....I don't think there would have been any problems so I would ask that you...you support his Motion of discharge."

"Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted and there is leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 4260, Mr. Young. The Gentleman does not wish to call his Motion. Senate Bill 456, Mr. Dunn. Mr. John Dunn. You have filed the Motion on a Senate Bill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge the Committee on Registration and Regulation with regard to Senate Bill 456. Senate Bill 456 involves a Licensing Act for Illinois Dieticians. This Bill sort of got caught in the switches. It was the last Bill called in the meeting of the committee. I had been in there a couple of hours waiting for it to be called and we had the vote in the room which would have put the Bill over the top when the Roll Call was taken. There... There had been some confusion about this particular Bill because it did have some controversy in the past, but...an Amendment was negotiated which was added to the Bill in committee and...I think the Governor's Office which had originally been opposed...really wasn't up to speed with the Amendment. It's my understanding the Governor's Office 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 will not be in opposition to the Bill. And some other groups of interest which were in opposition to the Bill have been satisfied by the Amendment added to the Bill. And I really don't know of any opposition to this Bill at the present moment so I think in the hurry up of winding up committee affairs this one just got caught in the switches and I would appreciate an 'aye' vote to discharge the committee."

"The Chair recognizes the Chair of the committee, Mr. Krska."

"I object to the Gentleman's discharge Motion. The Bill had a proper hearing. I even allowed him to go outside. He had 12 votes and couldn't muster his 13th vote. He went outside, looking around for votes. He could not receive them. I had other members come up to me and tell me that if he gets the 13th, they were going to get off, so I would like to see this Motion go down. Thank you."

"Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to confirm everything Representative Dunn said. I sit on that committee. He sat there for at least two hours, there was a quorum for a long time, and I believe there probably was a quorum wandering around in the hall. And Representative Dunn did in fact go out to get them, and unfortunately, the Roll Call was closed just as the last favorable vote walked in which would have meant the Bill passed. It received 12 votes. It needed 13, and unfortunately, the Chairman of the committee closed out the Roll Call just as the 13th vote walked in. It was the final Bill of the day. Everybody was tired. It was very late, and I do think the Bill deserves to be heard on this floor. I ask for a favorable Roll Call on the discharge Motion."

"Mr. Hensel." 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. As minority spokesman of the Registration/Regulation Committee...he is correct that he was the last one to present a Bill. But there were...was a quorum there. He required...required 13 votes. He received 12. There were some 'no' votes. There were some 'present' votes, and after the Roll Call was taken and announced, there was...trying to get another vote called. The meeting was adjourned, and I would just ask for a 'no' vote on this Motion."

"Mr. Krska."

"I would just like to further state that he was given an ample hearing. I...as I say, I allowed him to try to get as many votes as he could. He could not muster them up and he wanted a second meeting today, and I refused to have a second regulation...regulation meeting for one Bill."

"Mr. Dunn, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I don't know where this Bill's going, but I would like the record to show that when the Roll Call was taken on this Bill, I asked the Gentleman, Chairman of the committee, for a second Roll Call immediately...which we're entitled to have in committee, and instead of entitling me to a second Roll Call, the Gentleman adjourned the committee. So I would certainly like to have green votes up here to get this Bill out of the House. We had the votes in the room, denied a Roll Call, and the Bill should be on the floor."

"Those in favor of the Motion, signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 41 'ayes', 61 'nos'. The Motion fails. Mr. Clerk, would you read into the record the report of the Rules Committee?" 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988

"Representative Matijevich, Chairman of the Committee on Rules, which the following Resolution was referred, action taken May 5, 1988, reported the same back that the following Recommendation be adopted: House Resolution 1340."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Bowman for a Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that we suspend the appropriate rule and consider this Resolution immediately. This has been cleared with the other side of the aisle."

"Mr....Mr. Bowman, would you restate the Motion?"

"Okay. I believe the Motion is on the Calendar on page 36. I move to bypass committee and place on the Speaker's table, for immediate consideration. The Resolution has been reproduced and distributed on the Members' desks."

"Well, Mr. Bowman, we are now on Supplemental #2."

"Okay. I'm sorry. I thought we had to suspend the rule before I could call the Motion for...I mean the Resolution..."

"Well, I believe we are on the question of the Resolution."

"Very good, sir. Then, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I am joined by Representatives McGann, Homer, and Ryder in moving adoption for House Resolution 1340. I believe all of Illinois has been shocked by the tragic death of an infant at the Chicago 'Reed' Mental Health Center in Chicago. And this is only the most recent of a series of very tragic and preventable deaths which have occurred in the last couple of years. It seems that previous investigations have not produced a result that improves the quality of patient care. And so the...it 47  100th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE is...would be useful at this time to have a special May 5, 1988 investigating committee, especially one with subpoena powers, because very often a wall of silence is built around these tragic incidents. The Resolution also provides for examination of private facilities...and there are two specific incidents mentioned in the 'whereas' clauses involving pregnancies of women who were confined to private facilities and we believe that this Resolution will be very broad in scope and guide us towards remodeling our policies in Illinois to improve the quality of patient care so I then now move its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Resolution. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Resolution be adopted?' Those in favor, signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. The matter will require 60 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 109 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. The Resolution is adopted. Mr. Novak? Mr. Novak? Mr. Novak? Novak."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to by...bypass committee and place House Joint Resolution #188 on the Speaker's table for immediate consideration. House Joint Resolution #188 tries to expand our ag markets concerning soybean based inks that is now being manufactured as a derivative of the soybean. It would direct to the Department of Central Management Services to conduct a feasibility study with respect to how much we print, how much ink we use, and report its findings back to us on April 1st, 1989. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for immediate consideration of HJR 188. Is there a leave? Leave is granted and the Attendance Roll Call shall be used. There is leave for the 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 use of the Attendance Roll Call. The Motion having been adopted, Mr. Novak, we are now on the main Resolution. Did you wish to move for the adoption of the Resolution?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. On page 34 of the Calendar on the Order of Concurrence, there appears HJRCA 13. Mr. Lang. Mr. Clerk, have you read this Resolution?"

"This Resolution has been read three times as amended on concurrence."

"Mr. Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to HJRCA 13 This is a technical Amendment. Last...last Session the House with 110 'yes' votes passed this. It's part of a tax delinquent properties reform package which was designed to help get delinquent and deteriorating properties back on the tax rolls. The technical Amendment merely increases the amount of units involved from six to seven or more. It should be pointed out that the Amendment does not affect any single family properties. I move for concurrence."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment was Representative Greiman's lifelong pursuit while here in the General Assembly and was one of the few things he did that I agreed with. I think it's a...a very fine Amendment. I wish maybe we could have given it a little more consideration...done it at an earlier time of day maybe, but there's nothing wrong with it and...I support the Resolution."

"Mr. McPike." 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day

May 5, 1988 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative McCracken, I'll be glad to pass along to Judge Greiman the fact that you disagree with him on all his Bills."

"Those in favor of the Motion to concur will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. This matter will require 71 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 109 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, and the Resolution has been adopted by the Constitutionally required 71 votes. Mr. Clerk, do you have any further business? Mr. Clerk, on House Joint Resolution 190. Mr. Clerk, would you read HJR 191? Ladies and Gentlemen, would you give your attention to the Clerk? Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"House Joint Resolution 191. Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the 85th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein that the two Houses shall convene in Joint Session on Wednesday, May 11, 1988 at the hour of 12:15 o'clock p.m. for the purpose of hearing the United States Secretary of Education, William J. Bennett, address the Joint Assembly."

"Mr. McPike moves for the adoption of the Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. For those of you who did not hear, the content of the Resolution of the Assembly will be honored by the presence of the Secretary of Education for the United States, Mr. William J. Bennett and you can come properly prepared, whatever your view. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Resolution... House Joint Resolution 190?"

"House Joint Resolution 190. Resolved by the House of Representatives of the 85th General Assembly of 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein that when the House of Representatives adjourn on Thursday, May 5, 1988, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 10, 1988 at 12:00 o'clock noon. And when the Senate adjourns on Friday, May 6, 1988, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 10, 1988 at 12:00 o'clock noon."

"The Gentleman has read the...the Clerk has read the Adjournment Resolution. Mr. McPike moves for the adoption. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. Mr. Clerk, are there any agreed Resolutions?"

"Senate Joint Resolution 124; House Resolution offered by Representative Bugielski; House Resolution 1347, Wyvetter Younge; 1348, Cullerton; 1349, Churchill; 1352, Churchill; 1353, Stephens, et al; 1354, Cowlishaw; 1355, Cowlishaw; 1356, Harris; and 1357, DeJaegher."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, we have read the agreed Resolutions. They are agreed to and I move the adoption of them."

"Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk? General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1358, offered by Representative Daley, et al."

"Committee on Assignment. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Death Resolutions."

"Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 1350, offered by Representative Shaw, with respect to the memory of Carol Ann 'Standford' McCahan'; House Resolution 1351, offered by Representative Shaw, with respect to the memory of 'Thel' Davis, Senior." 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988

"Mr. Matijevich moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. the 'ayes' have it. The Resolutions are adopted. The Chair would...would direct the attention of the Members to the yellow schedule which has been distributed and which indicates that we will be in Session next week from Tuesday through Friday and we are planning a full week for the following week to permit all Members a fair opportunity to have their Bills heard during the next two weeks and before the deadline for House for consideration of floor Bills. At this time, Mr. McPike moves that the House does stand adjourned until next Tuesday at 12:00 noon, permitting perfunctory time until all committee reports are read into the record. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted."

"A message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives, the Senate has passed the Bill of the following title, passage of which I'm instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit: Senate Bill #1655, passed by the Senate May 5, 1988. Linda Hawker, Secretary of the Senate. Corrected Committee Reports. House Bill 4184 was reported as having been on the Interim Study Calendar of the Committee of Financial Institutions on May 3, 1988 in error. The Bill should have been reported out, 'do pass'. Representative Preston, Chairman of the committee on...the Select Committee on Children, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 5, 1988, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' House Bill 3855. 'Do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 4215. Representative Bowman, Chairman of the 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day Committee May 5, 1988 on Appropriations II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 5, 1988, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills #3539, 3540, 3984, 3985, and 4278. 'Do pass as amended', House Bills 3202, 3203, 3211, 3212, 3229, 3232, 3233, 3280, 3281, and 3282. Representative Turner, Chairman from the Select Committee on Housing to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 5, 1988, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass', House Bill 3786, 'do pass as amended' House Bill 3725, 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 3726, 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 2456, 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bill 3724. Representative Dunn, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary I, to which the following Bills were referred. Action taken May 5, 1988, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 4280, 'do pass as amended' House Bill 2422. The Perfunctory Session will stand at ease. Committee Reports, Representative O'Connell, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 5, 1988 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1576, 2159, 2957, 3221, 3335, 3337, 3593, 3606, 3687, 4098, 4258. 'Do pass as amended', House Bills 3057, 3128, 3197, 3331, and 3592. 'Do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 2960, 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 1729, 2958, and 3803. 'Do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 2959, 3626, and 3987. Perfunctory Session will stand at ease. Further Committee Reports. Representative Levin, Chairman of the Committee on Public Utilities, to which the following Bills were referred. Action taken May 3, 1988 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 Bill 4121, 'do pass as amended' House Bill 2395, 2920, 3308, and 3728. 'Do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 4197. 'Do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3872. Perfunctory Session will stand at ease. Perfunctory Session will be back in order. Committee reports. Representative Leverenz, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I, to which the following Bills were referred. Action taken May 5, 1988. Reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 3231, 3463, 3542, 3543, 3782, 3783, and 4024. 'Do pass as amended' House Bills 3116, 3150, 3162, 3199, 3200, 3201, 3204, 3205, 3207, 3208, 3209, 3210, 3224, 3225, 3226, 3227, 3228, 3230, 3234, 3235, 3236, 3237, 3238, 3239, 3240, 3241, 3242, 3243, 3244, 3318, 3403, 3511, and 3663. 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 889, 893, 895, 902, 905, 906, 907, 908, 1271, 1273, 1876, 2278, 2279, 2281, 2286, 2287, 2462, 2526, 2692, 2736, 3038, 3042, 3206, 3245, 3302, 3340, 3348, 3421, 3428, 3440, 3622, 3637, 3693, 3781, 3791, 3882, 3883, 3925, and 4218. Perfunctory Session will stand at ease. Perfunctory Session shall be back in order. Committee Reports. Representative Keane, Chairman of the Committee on Revenue to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 5, 1988. Reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass'...'do pass' House Bills 2918, 3131, 3255, 3327, 3524, 3705, 3717, 3718, 3720, 3785, 3793, 3947, 3951, 3969, 3982, 4091, 4111, and 4262. 'Do pass as amended' House Bills 2913, 3104, 3304, 3420, 3864, and 4247. 'Do pass Consent Calendar' House Bills 2909, 2932, 3017, 3105, 3195, 3346, 3417, 3418, 3470, 3492, and 3512. 'Do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 3527, 3858, 4264, and 4265. 'Do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 3926. 'Be adopted' House Resolution 1258. 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 100th Legislative Day May 5, 1988 3043, 3165, 3167, 3472, 3520, 3670, 3897, 4020, 4219, 4248, 4249, 4250, 4253, and House Resolution Constitutional Amendment #27. There being no further business, the House now stands adjourned." 55  REPORT: TIFLDAY 14:53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 05, 1988 PAGE 1 06/17/88 HB-1190 MOTION PAGE 8 HB-1685 MOTION PAGE 7 HB-2875 MOTION PAGE 8 HB-3093 MOTION PAGE 11 HB-3094 MOTION PAGE 12 HB-3151 MOTION PAGE 13 HB-3153 MOTION PAGE 15 HB-3369 MOTION PAGE 9 HB-3385 MOTION PAGE 13 HB-3386 MOTION PAGE 13 HB-3394 MOTION PAGE 16 HB-3467 MOTION PAGE 19 HB-3474 MOTION PAGE 20 HB-3598 MOTION PAGE 22 HB-3818 MOTION PAGE 41 HB-3820 MOTION PAGE 43 HB-3838 MOTION PAGE 23 HB-3839 MOTION PAGE 24 HB-3927 MOTION PAGE 35 HB-4000 MOTION PAGE 25 HB-4005 MOTION PAGE 27 HB-4119 MOTION PAGE 43 HB-4145 MOTION PAGE 43 HB-4195 MOTION PAGE 28 HB-4205 MOTION PAGE 36 HB-4277 MOTION PAGE 38 SB-0456 MOTION PAGE 44 HR-1340 ADOPTED PAGE 47 HJR-0188 ADOPTED PAGE 48 HJR-0191 ADOPTED PAGE 50 HJR-0013 ADOPTED PAGE 5 HJR-0013 ADOPTED PAGE 49 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE WILL COME TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND BRYAN SIVERLY PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 REPRESENTATIVE PEDERSEN IN CHAIR PAGE 2 ARLINGTON HEIGHTS FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE FLINN IN CHAIR PAGE 3 EAST ST. LOUIS LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL TIGERS PAGE 3 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 4 MRS. AMERICA - SUZY KATZ PAGE 5 SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR PAGE 6 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 51 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 51 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 51 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 51 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 52 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 52 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 52 PERFUNCTORY SESSION AT EASE PAGE 54 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 54 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 54 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 54 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 55