Illinois House Floor Debate — May 12, 1988

"The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today will be Reverend Estella R. Jones from the First Church of the Nazarene in Auburn. Reverend Jones is a guest of Representative Hasara. The guests in the balcony may wish to rise and join us in the invocation."

"Let us pray. Our Father, how good and comfortable it is to be able to say, 'Our Father', for we know that we are Your children and You care about us and that is such a help to us and every day, every day of our lives, we need You. We're so very grateful today for Your manifold blessings. We looked at our beautiful world on the way in today and said, 'Thank You, God'. You have provided for us everything that we have needed. And for that, we are grateful. We're thankful today for health and strength. Some are not so blessed, but we are and we're grateful. We're grateful, today, for the gifts and talents that You have endowed all of us with for, not only for our enjoyment and our fulfillment, but for the blessings to others who are around us and those for whom we are responsible. We thank You, most of all today, Father, for Your love that sent Jesus, our Savior, to our world to die for us so that we can know You for ourselves and have a personal relationship that changes our lives. We thank You, God, that You are concerned about the affairs of men. It's hard to fathom how the God who is over our universe could care for each of us, but You do and for that, we are grateful. And today we have some needs, dear Father, for we are a needy people, with all the blessings that we have, yet we are needy for we do not know the answer to all of the problems of our world and are part of the world. And so we come today to ask for Your wisdom, that it may be ours. You told us in the Word, Father, that if we lacked 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 wisdom to ask and it would be given to us. And so we ask today for Your wisdom, for the courage that we need to do whatever needs to be done. We certainly seek Your guidance in all of our deliberations today. And, Father, for any who has a special need, anyone who's carrying a heavy burden, anyone whose heart is hurting, we pray for Your healing for them today, according to Your will. And may Your presence be ours in everything that we do today. And for all of these who sit in seats of responsibility, we pray for Your strength, Your wisdom, and may we know the joy of a personal relationship with the One who made us. We pray in the name of Jesus, our Lord and our Savior. Amen."

"...led in the Pledge of Allegiance by the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Matijevich."

Representative Matijevich: "Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on this side of the aisle, excused today due to illness, are Ray Christensen and Lee Preston."

"Representative Piel."

"No Members excused today, Mr. Speaker."

"Take the record, Mr. Clerk. 116 Members answering to Roll Call. A quorum is present. Page 36 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar, Third Reading, Second Day. The Clerk will read the Bills. Representative McCracken, we do not intend to call for a vote on these Bills. The Clerk's going to read these Bills on Third and hold them there to give you another chance to look at them. Mr. 2  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 Clerk, read the Bills."

"Consent Calendar, Third Reading, Second Day. House Bill 170, a Bill for an Act to amend the Local Governmental and Governmental Employees Tort Immunity Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 309, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1732, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2794, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2940, a Bill for an Act to amend the Mobile Home Landlords', Tenants' Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2942, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3068, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3117, a Bill for an Act to amend the Weights and Measurements Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3149, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Wage Assignment Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3181, a Bill for an Act to amend the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3272, a Bill for an Act to amend the Animal Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3279, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3286, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to forest preserve districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3319, a Bill for an Act to amend certain civil law suits. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3338, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain mortgages, loans and contracts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3394 (sic - 3343), a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the Illinois Universities Civil Service System. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3380, a 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to issuance and use of credit cards. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3391, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3435, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3444, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3485, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3491, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relation to nursing homes. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3525, a Bill for an Act to validate the organization of certain community unit school districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3536, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3538, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Passenger Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3544, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3557, a Bill for an Act creating the Board of Higher Education. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3558, a Bill for Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3620, a Bill for Act in relation to petroleum storage tanks. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3652, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to highways. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3671, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to forest preserve districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3681, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3712, a Bill for an Act regarding State Militia. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3733, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Bill 3748, a Bill for an Act in relation to Illinois Educational Facilities Authority. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3758, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3779, a Bill for an Act to amend the Medical Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3821, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning legislative district offices. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3888, a Bill for an Act to revise the law. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3891, a Bill for an Act to amend the Uniform Commercial Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3895, a Bill for an Act concerning employees of the State Treasurer. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3968, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3977, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4006, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Department of Children and Family Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4028, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4045, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bowdre Township Civic Center Law. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4096, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4108, a Bill for an Act in relation to the establishment of medical center districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 31... check it... House Bill 4113, a Bill for an Act to amend the Coal Mining Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4130, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to township community buildings. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4154, a Bill for Act to amend certain Acts in relation to underground storage. Third Reading of the Bill. House 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Bill 4156, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Controlled Substance Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4171, a Bill for an Act concerning...to amend certain Acts in relation to the issuance and renewal of license. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4192, a Bill for an Act to amend the Consumer Installment Loan Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4234, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4269, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide educational opportunities for children. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4286, a Bill for an Act to amend the Transient Merchant Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"We're having some problems with our electronic system. The Clerk is going to take a sample Roll Call. The Bills that were on Consent Calendar that the Clerk just read will be left on Third Reading. We're now going to Supplemental Calendar #1, Consent Calendar, page 2. We have some of these Bills that need Amendments. House Bill 711, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 711, a Bill for an Act to amend the Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Black and Johnson."

"Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 corrects a technical deficiency in the...in Amendment #1. In our haste to amend this Bill, and with the Sponsor, Representative Wait's permission, Amendment #1 was supposed 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 to have deleted the underlined Bill and did not. Amendment #2 now becomes the Bill...deletes House Bill 711. Amendment #2 simply is a Bill drafted for a school district, Representative Johnson's district, it abuts my district and tries to give them some options on tuition out process. I would urge your support of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 and on that, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative Black...is the subject matter, Representative, of Wait's Bill, is it controversial? Is that why you want to take it out?"

"No, I don't think it's particularly controversial. I wasn't enamored with the original Bill. He had told us that he did not plan to call that Bill and we saw an opportunity to use that as a vehicle, quite frankly."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? Representative Satterthwaite."

"Representative Black, I've not been able to find this Amendment. How does this differ from Amendment #1 that was adopted in committee?"

"The Amendment was passed out yesterday, Representative. This Amendment simply corrects a mistake that Amendment #1 did not do. Amendment #1 did not delete the reference in the original House Bill 711."

"I see. Thank you."

"No further discussion. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Third Reading. The Chair would remind everyone that we're doing the Consent Calendar so if there are any controversial Amendments adopted, either side can knock it off the Consent Calendar. House Bill 737, Representative Levin. Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 737, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1652, Representative Klemm. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1652, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2347, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Giglio in the Chair."

"House Bill 2347, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2423, Representative Levin. Represen...." 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes." May 12, 1988

"There is an Amendment which has just been filed, a technical Amendment. If we could come back to the Bill in a few minutes after they've...they print the Amendment?"

"Take it out of the record. The Chair would like to address those people that are not entitled to the floor, would you kindly... kindly leave the chambers if you're not entitled to the House Floor. Those people that are not entitled to the House Floor, would you kindly leave so the House can conduct its proper business? House Bill 2456, Representative Olson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2456, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 2688, Representative Cullerton. 2688, Representative Cullerton? 2688? Mr. Doorkeeper, would you kindly ask those who are not entitled to the floor to please leave the chambers? Lobbyists, guests, all people who are not entitled to the chambers, would they kindly leave? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2688, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 2913, Representative Keane. Representative Keane in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2913, a Bill for an Act in relation to increases in property tax levies. Second Reading of the 9  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 2918, Representative Mays. Representative Mays in the chambers? Out of the record. 2921, Representative Martinez. Representative Martinez, 2921, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2921, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Codes. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed relating to Amendment #1."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Fiscal note?"

"The fiscal note has been filed."

"Third Reading. 2926, Representative Giorgi? Representative McGann, 2930? Representative McGann? Representative McGann, 2930, House Bill 2930? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2930, a Bill for an Act to establish a Bill of Rights of persons with developmental disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 2957, Representative Granberg? Out of the record. 2958, Granberg, out of the record. Representative Flinn, House Bill 3014. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3014, a Bill for an Act to amend the Emergency Medical Services System Act. Second Reading of 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day the Bill.

May 12, 1988 Amendment #1 was adopted in committee." "Any Motions filed?" "No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Virginia Frederick, 3030? House Bill 3030. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3030, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. No Committee Amendments."

Second Reading of the Bill. Speaker Giglio: "Any Floor Amendments?"

Speaker "No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative O'Connell. Representative O'Connell in the chamber? 3057? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." House Bill 3057?

"House Bill 3057, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"The mandates note has been filed."

"Has been requested."

"Has been requested. The Bill will remain on Is Second Reading. 3107, Representative Doederlein. Representative Doederlein in the chamber? Out of the record? Do you want...out of the record? Out of the record. 3118, Saltsman. Representative Saltsman in the chamber, 3118? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3118, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Any Floor Amendments?"

Saltsman." "Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative

"Amendment #1 to 3118, the Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Saltsman."

"Yes, this Amendment was put on the courtesy of Illinois Bell to protect the funding for the 911 system that it could still come out of the enterprise zone area."

"Any discussion on the Motion? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

Speaker Giglio: want Bill." "No further Amendments." "Third Reading. Representative Levin, do you to move 2504? Mr. Clerk, House Bill 2504. Read the

"House Bill 2504, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Ewing. Is Representative Ewing in the chamber? Representative Ewing? Representative Stange, 3184. Is Representative Stange in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3184, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Care Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"No Floor Amendments. Fiscal note requested has not been filed yet. The Bill will remain on Second Reading." 12  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"He didn't hear you. You'd better tell him again."

"Representative Stange, the...fiscal note has been requested so the Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 3216, Representative Hoffman. Is Representative Hoffman in the chamber? Out of the record. Ryder? Representative Hoffman - Cowlishaw, 3216. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3216, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Ryder, 3221. Representative Homer, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Ryder is detained elsewhere. He's asked me to handle this Bill as a Chief Cosponsor. I'd ask leave of the body to do that."

"The Gentleman would have leave, leave is granted. House Bill 3221, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3221, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Ryder... Ryder and Homer."

"Representative Homer on Amendment #1 to House Bill 3221."

"Thank you, Speaker, I'd also ask leave to handle Amendment #1. Do I have leave?"

"The Gentleman has leave."

"Thank you. Amendment #1 was...was a... Amendment that was drafted and proposed by the Illinois Bar Association. 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Following hearing of this Bill and the Judiciary Committee II, the Bill itself deals with the application of transfer of bail bonds from one case to another to satisfy obligations of the defendant. The Amendment would limit the application to misdemeanor cases and so I would...I believe there's no opposition that I am aware of and I would ask for adoption of Amendment 1."

"Any discussion on Amendment #1? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Representative Young on Amendment #2 to House Young: Bill 3221." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 provides that...the Bill bond may not be transferred to a prior case if it's needed to pay court costs or attorney's fees in the case in which it was deposited."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"I'm sorry. I...I didn't hear the explanation."

"Amendment #2 provides that the Bill bond may not be transferred to a prior case if it's needed to pay court costs or attorney's fees in the case in which it was deposited. In other words, before you can take it back to an old case, we have to satisfy the obligations in the present case."

"That's fine."

"Further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of Amendment #2 signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?" 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"No further Amendments." May 12, 1988

"Third Reading. House Bill 3257, Representative Hensel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Speaker, Speaker."

"Representative Hensel."

"That's House Bill 3252 and I would request that it be removed from the Supplemental Consent Calendar and placed back on Second Reading if possible. Waiting...an Amendment, an Agreed Amendment. Just take it out of the record, now then, and we'll remove it later."

"Alright. We'll take it out of the record...I would advise that you check with the Republican Leadership, okay?"

"Okay, thank you."

"Representative Keane, 3255. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3255, a Bill for an Act to amend the Telecommunications Excise Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Giorgi, House Bill 3262. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3262, a Bill for an Act in relation to special assessments. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #2 to House Bill 3262 is an 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Amendment requested by the Judiciary Committee, namely Representative Slater and... Representative..."

"Any discussion on the Amendment?"

"What this does is, Amendment #2 deletes the creation of the special service area language and deletes the accelerated payment language and this was what was asked for in committee and this is a wish of the committee and I urge the adoption of the Amendment."

"Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of Amendment #2 signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Giorgi, do you want to go back to your Bill, 2926? 2926, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2926, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments? Any Floor Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, the Amendment just changes the wording in that, rather than recommend all kinds of change in financial audits, it just suggests that the changes be made, and it isn't mandatory. I urge the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?" 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Williamson."

"Representative Williamson on Amendment #2 to House Bill 3262."

"Withdraw Amendment #2."

"The Lady withdraws Amendment #2. Number two's withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Williamson."

"Representative Williamson on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #3 amends the School Code and the General Obligation Bond Act and increases the State general obligation bond authority by $25,000 for grants to school districts located within the areas affected by noise pollution from O'Hare Airport and for construction, reconstruction, and rehabilitation, improvement, financing, and architectural planning related to the noise installation of public school buildings. I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield? Do we have that authority...there now?"

"I...I can't hear you, Representative Leverenz, I'm sorry."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes."

"The Sponsor of the Amendment indicated it was $25,000 increase in bond authorization. Is that correct?"

"Excuse me, it was 25 million. I'm sorry, Representative."

"How much?" 17  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Williamson: "Twenty-five million."

"Twenty-five million dollars. May 12, 1988 How much of the authorization is not used up, currently?"

"I am unaware of that number right now. I don't know."

"Then why do you offer the Amendment?"

"It would create a new authorization. It would be a new Bill... for the program."

"Is...there is no authorization for this now?"

"Not for sound proofing of the school building."

"Do you know whether the Governor has an intention, then, to sign it this time, or would he veto it again?"

"I have no idea if the Governor is going to sign this or not. I know that I have been working with the Governor, will continue to work with the Governor on this issue, Representative."

"Why do we need a twenty-five million dollar authorization? How many schools would that include?"

"School sound proofing is extremely expensive. As far as numbers of schools, I would estimate that would be...give or take about 14 schools that would be affected."

"How much a school?"

"It would depend on the school size and...how big the building is. Benton High School, for example would take about five million."

"Do we have...do we have an appropriation for this?"

"This would be a bond acquisition."

"You don't acquire bonds, you issue bonds. Is there an appropriation for...school sound proofing?"

"No."

"Then, why would you need an authorization to issue bonds for that purpose?"

"This would create a program for the schools to be 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 able to take advantage of the sound proof's money. That's so the schools could be sound proofed."

"We have always appropriated the money and then set the level of authorization to fit the..."

"This is not an appropriation."

"...projects that we have."

"This is a bond issue, not..."

"I understand that. That's the substitive language and then you appropriate money to spend that bond money. Are you aware of that?"

"Yes, Sir."

"I'm glad staff has advised you correctly. We normally do it in reverse. We do the appropriation and find out what the Governor says yes to, and then we do the authorization Bill at the level that has been approved. So your Amendment is very untimely."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker and Mrs. Williamson, my Bill is just a Bill that's talking about a simple little audit because of some discrepancy found in some of the educational service region offices. I don't feel that I want to carry a twenty-five million bond issue...you're trying to put a twenty-five million bond Bill tax on my my little...innocuous Bill that's going to just make some work from some little licensed accountant which might in the hundreds of dollars. I don't feel like I want to carry a twenty-five million bond Bill for you without you having the courtesy of consulting me about it...to begin with. I think it's highly apprehensible of your group trying to settle my Bill with a twenty-five billion...million dollar bond issue. I think you guys have lost your minds over there."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day McCracken."

"Thank you, May 12, 1988 Mr. Speaker. We probably should have consulted with you, Representative Giorgi. I...I agree with that. But I suspect you would have said no and...the only choice we have because the Republican Bills on this issue get killed in committee is to put them on Bills that made it through the committee process, but I certainly agree that we should have let...let...let you know first and I apologize for that. But let's look at the merits of the Bill. This Bill authorizes bond...bonding capabilities for the purpose of sound proofing schools. Now, we all know that this relates to O'Hare and there have been a number of attempts to deal with O'Hare by this side of the aisle, all of which have been repulsed by the Democratic Majority. We've seen it not only on the floor, but also in committee. The annual cost of this Bill is not going to be a twenty-five million dollar appropriation. It's going to be retiring the debt service created by the offering of twenty-five million dollars in bonds. Now, I can't sit...as I stand here, tell you that it's going to cost four million in the first year to retire that debt service or that it's going to cost three million. But I do have figures from another very...needed program and that is the water program by which..."

"Excuse me, Representative. Ladies and Gentlemen, could you give the Gentlemen your attention, please? There's an awful lot of noise in the chamber. Those of you please give the Gentlemen your attention. This is a very important Amendment. Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Sir. And that program which...which seeks ninety-five million dollars in bonding authority is estimated by the Economic and Fiscal Commission to cost 20  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 $7.5 million in order to retire debt service in the first year. So we're not talking about a twenty-five million dollar appropriation. We're talking about enough to retire the debt service and this is an emergency year and this is the reason we're down in these even numbered years, to address emergencies. And if you think it's not an emergency that we're talking about, go to Bensenville, go to Northlake, go to Addison, go to whatever communities are around there...and for a radius of a number of miles, it is a substantial problem. This is precisely the type of innovative rational approach to problem solving that we need. Again, I apologize that it's on your Bill and that we did not consult with you. I think you're absolutely right in that regard."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to the Sponsor of the Bill, I...don't think this Amendment is saddling his Bill. I...and I understand his...his chagrin over the fact that it was not cleared with him first. But I think we ought to talk about the merits of the legislation that this Amendment represents. And the fact of the matter is, that the Lady is trying to do something to help...stem a serious problem in her district and around her district. The problem of the schools around O'Hare have to be appr...have to be dealt with and this doesn't do one thing to hurt the legislation that the Gentleman has offered. The Bill will...is stronger because of her Amendment. The Bill...the Amendment gives us, as a General Assembly, a chance to come together and really do what the purpose of the General Assembly is, to come down here in the spring, in the even numbered years, to deal with emergencies and that's what this is. It's an emergency 21  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 situation and I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago to close, Representative Giorgi."

"In as much as..."

"Excuse me...excuse me. Representative Williamson."

"Someone else wants to speak."

"Representative Williamson. It's her Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To close, it was brought up in debate that this is something that I'm doing for my district. Well, it's not something that I'm doing just for my district. There are other Legislators that are affected by the airport noise and their schools. Representative Leverenz, at one time, was the State Representative from the district that I now am able to represent. He understands the problems with the schools. He understands that we are constantly talked to by our teachers, by our superintendents asking for some type of relief. The students are constantly disturbed by the noise. The teachers have to stop teaching. We're asking, and the students, and the teachers, and the school system is constantly down here asking for more money so that they can give more as far as educating our students. This is an opportunity where we can give them the time to start educating our students. Let's stop having to interrupt the classroom every 90 seconds or every two minutes so that we can wait for the airplane to go over and the noise. Let's insulate the schools, let's help them out SO that this issue can be addressed. Let's start doing something good for the children. We're not talking about the administrators and the teachers. We're talking about the children. They deserve the same type of sound proofing and education that is available throughout the rest of the 22  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 State. What's fair is fair. We're dealing with the airport. We're working with it on a daily basis. Let's give some relief to the schools. They deserve this help. Thank you. I would ask for a Roll Call vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt Amen...Amendment #3 to House Bill 2926?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 58 voting 'yes'. The Lady from Cook, Representative Williamson. For what purpose do you rise, Ma'am? Do you care to discuss the...question the Roll Call? Mr. Clerk...Gentlemen...there's some people that are seeking recognition...I believe it's to change your vote, Mr. Spea... Representative McCracken. On this question, 58 voting 'yes', 55 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"I'd like to be recorded 'aye'."

"Record the Gentleman as voting 'aye'. Representative Williamson? You're...you're hitting your call button. 55 vo...59 voting 'yes', 54 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present' and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Mautino, 3270? 3278. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. McCracken?"

"Did that Bill move to Third?"

"Yes."

"Okay, thank you."

"House Bill 3278, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Franchise Disclosure Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

May 12, 1988 "Third Reading. Representative Ropp, 3301. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3301, a Bill for an Act in regard to quality of grain in Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Granberg in the chamber? Representative Granberg? Out of the record. Representative O'Connell, 3353. Representative O'Connell in the chamber? 3353, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3353...30..."

"3353."

"House Bill 3353, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to regulate taking of records. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

Kirkland. Clerk O'Brien: "Third Reading. House Bill 3372, Representative Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." "House Bill 3372, a Bill for an Act to create the Municipal Recycling Pilot Project Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Bowman on 3401. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3401, a Bill for an Act to amend an 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Act codifying the powers and duties of the Department of Mental Health. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3405, Representative Countryman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3405, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to telephone companies. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Countryman."

"Representative Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #2 adds language that says no telephone company shall have the power to condemn private property until it's first complied with such rules as the Commission. Meaning the Illinois Commerce Commission, may adopt regarding the acquisition of land, right away easements by telephone companies. The purpose of this is...an agreement between the telephone long distance carriers and the...commerce commission to adopt rules which will apply to telephone companies in eminent domain proceedings. Presently, the rules of...that are applicable, generally, apply to gas companies and...and electric utilities. In addition to that, the Amendment makes...makes it become effective 90 days after becoming law so that the...the commission can adopt...rules within 25  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 that 90 period and I'd move its adoption."

"Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3420, Representative Black. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3420, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Lottery Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Motions on Committee Amendment #1. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Davis."

"Representative Davis on Amendment #2."

"Yes. Mr. Chairman, this Amendment does not allow any lottery player to use his or her credit card to purchase lottery tickets. We feel that the intent of the lottery was to get a few dollars from a number of people rather than a large sum of dollars from just a few people. Therefore, we...urge an 'aye' vote for this Amendment."

"Discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Representative's courtesy in talking to me yesterday about this Amendment and I think she certainly has an idea that we need to discuss. And I think that many of us are even unaware that...a lottery player can go into certain agents and purchase a lottery ticket by use of a credit card. I think she has an idea that we need to discuss. However, that is a policy matter between the Department of the Lottery and the individual agents and I told...I told Representative Davis, that I will certainly work with her 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 to address her concern. I must stand, however, well intentioned the Amendment is, I must stand in opposition to it. House Bill 3420 is a very important Lottery Administration Bill that does allow for the...a decedent's winnings to be passed on to a...a trustee if a trust agreement is filed. It does reinstate language about a Department of Revenue...a hearing officer as was embodied in the original law that we took out, unfortunately and does provide for some financial liability for officers of corporations that are licensed as agents. It's for that reason and the importance of House Bill 3420 and that we do have some dispute over Amendment #2, no matter how well intentioned, I must stand in opposition to the Representative's Amendment and would urge a 'no' vote on Amendment #2."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Amendment and I hope that...when the Amendment is adopted that...the...Representative who just spoke will continue to... attempt to pass the Bill. This is a...a philosophical issue and I think that we should reflect upon it for a second. I...I happen to be Chairman of the Horse Racing Committee and I frequently hear from the people who own race tracks about how upset they are about the lottery and they always publish the lottery's...rate of return. They always publish the odds on the lottery to show how much higher the odds are with regard to lotteries as opposed to going to the race track. Well, that's because there are two different philosophies with regard to these two different forms of gambling. With regard to horse racing, they are very low odds in order to encourage a 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 smaller number of people to bet a large amount of money. The theory of the lottery is entirely different. The theory of the lottery is they are very high odds, very low chance of making money, but there is a lot of more money that can be made and as a result you have a greater number of people spending a smaller amount of money on the lottery. So, all the Lady's saying is, you shouldn't be allowed to use a credit card to charge for the lottery tickets. It makes eminent sense because you're not...the theory of purchasing lottery tickets is to keep the number of...of people that..that purchase the tickets to be as great as possible, but a smaller amount of money. You should not have to use a credit card to purchase lottery tickets. And so, I think it makes...great sense. It no way is designed to gut the Bill and I would encourage an 'aye' vote. I think it's consistent with the theory of what a lottery is all about."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Davis to close."

"Thank you. Well, we feel the issue is important enough for us to truly consider whether a person should use their credit card to purchase a lottery ticket. It's only the agent and not the agency that's affected. The lottery...board has nothing to do with the interest cards that are used. The agent has an option of whether he wants to take them or not. And we feel that the State of Florida is not that much further advanced than Illinois and we think that we should step into the twentieth century and make certain that our lottery is as fair to its citizens as it can be. People are always attempting to take advantage of some of the citizens they are supposed to protect. Therefore, we urge an 'aye' vote for Amendment #2 that bans the use of credit cards to purchase lottery tickets. Thank 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day you."

May 12, 1988 "Alright, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt Amendment #2 to House Bill 3420?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye'. All those...all those voting 'aye', vote 'aye', those opposed 'nay', vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 60 voting 'yes', 46 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present' and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Speaker Madigan in the Chair."

"On page two of the Calendar there appears a Special Order of Business scheduled for 10:00 a.m. this morning, State Income Tax. On that Order of Call there appears House Bill 2968, Mr. Homer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2968, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions, no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3327, Mr. Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3327, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to State revenues. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Mr. Curran."

"Mr. Speaker, because this is an extremely..."

"Mr. Curran, let us determine if there are any Amendments filed. So, Mr. Clerk, are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Cullerton."

"Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Curran." May 12, 1988

"Mr. Spea...Mr. Speaker, because this is an extremely important piece of legislation and it would be an important Amendment if it were offered today, because there are several Members of both sides of the aisle that I have yet to confer with about how we might raise money and spend money, and because we don't really have yet a firm direction from the Governor's Office as to what his preferences would be, I would prefer to take this Bill out of the record at this time."

"Mr. Curran, there seems to be a ground swell of demand that you move ahead. Pursuant to the request of the Sponsor of the Bill, the Bill will be taken from the record, but the Members should be advised that the Chair will return to this order some time next week. So for those Members who wish to advance changes in the Illinois Income Tax, either upward or downward, this opportunity will be afforded again next week on at least one occasion and possibly more. House Bill 3951, Representative Hasara. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3951, a Bill for an Act to create the Heritage Preservation Fund. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4091, Mr. Churchill. Mr. Clerk, are there any...Amendments, any Floor Amendments? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4091, a Bill for an Act in relation to economic development. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 30  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Giorgi in the Chair."

"House Bill 3424, Second Reading, on page four. Representative Peterson, W. Peterson? House Bill 3424? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3424, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"No Motions, no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3425, W. Peterson again, roll it. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3425, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions or Amendments on the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Cullerton on House Bill 3466. Representative Cullerton, is he in the room? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3466, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Passenger Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions or Amendments on the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Countryman."

"Representative Countryman on Amendment #1 to House Bill 3466, is he in the room? Representative Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment...simply adds the words 'except in cases of emergency' to the Bill. It's a question that came up in committee and I suggested that there might be 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 cases of an emergency for which somebody could be guilty of this Act which would be transporting a...a child under the age of four without a child restraint. And if somebody were distressed along the road without a system that picks some parent and their child up and transported them, it didn't seem to me that they should be guilty of a minor offense as a result of that and I thought we ought to give the court some leeway to leave it in a case of emergency and this does that."

"Representative Giglio back in the Chair. Representative Giorgi got a call from his Congressman, Representative Martin so he had to leave. Further discussion? Mr. Cullerton requests the Bill be taken out of the record. Out of the record. House Bill 3469, Representative Kirkland. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3469, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Representative Young on Amendment #2 to House Bill 3469. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Anthony Young?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 changes an 'an' to an 'or'. We're dealing with civil rights violations and instead of making both of the propositions in the Bill necessary for it to be a civil rights violation, we're saying either one of the propositions becomes a civil rights violation."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay' and in the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3135, Mr. Clerk, Representative McPike."

"House Bill 3135, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. How about 3125, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3125, a Bill for an Act authorizing counties to regulate garbage disposal areas. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Ewing."

"Amendment #1, Representative Ewing."

"This extends the provisions of the Bill to garbage disposal areas and landfills under the Environmental Protection Act."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3482, Representative Didrickson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3482, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3490, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3490, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Fiscal Note...was requested and there's one filed. Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3499, Representative Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3499, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3527, Representative Hallock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3527, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act conveying...concerning conveyances. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #31, offered by Representative Johnson."

"Representative Hallock."

"Representative Johnson and I talked about this. I'd like to table the Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves to table the Amendment. The Amendment's tabled. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Gentleman moves to table the Amendment. amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

The Speaker Giglio: "Third Reading. House Bill 3545, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3545, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bil1 3549, Representative Tate. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3549, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to natural resources. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"There has been a request for a fiscal note. The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 3552, Representative Daniels Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3552, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relations to rehabilitation of disabled persons. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment Daniels and Ryder." in #2, offered by Representative

"Representative Ryder on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the underlying Bill calls for one time grants from Department of Rehabilitation Service to not-for-profit 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day rehabilitation May 12, 1988 agencies to defray the cost of converting from rehabilitation training to supportive employment. The purpose of the Amendment is to make it clear that no grants shall be made until after submission of the report concerning the conversions are made. So we wish to have the report first before we proceed. And I'd ask for support of the Bill."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3553, Daniels Ryder. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3553, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relations to rehabilitation of disabled persons. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3562, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3562, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3563, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3563, a Bill for an Act to amend the Smoke Detector Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No 36  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. May 12, 1988 House Bill 3564, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3564, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Kubik."

"Representative Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1, was basically a technical Amendment to alleviate some objections of the telephone company. And I would move its adoption."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." "Third Reading. House Bill 3565, Representative

Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3565, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading Committee Amendments." of the Bill. No

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Kubik,"

"Representative Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentleman of the House, this particular Amendment would exempt cordless phones, from the provisions of the Bill and I would move 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day its adoption." Speaker Giglio: #1. May 12, 1988 "The Gentleman asks for the adoption of Amendment All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'... Amendment #2. Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 3565, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

Kubik." "Third Reading. House Bill 3567, Representative

"House Bill 3567, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Parcells. House Bill 3589. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3589, a Bill for an Act to amend the Volunteer Health Services Plan Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

Pedersen. "Third Reading. House Bill 3590, Representative Representative Pedersen."

"House Bill 3590, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative O'Connell. House Bill 3592. House Bill 3606, Representative Slater. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3606, a Bill for an Act to amend the 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bil1 3626, Representative McNamara. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3626, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning sobriety detention of persons driving under the influence. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright were going to return ba...we're gonna return to the beginning on House, on page 2 of Supplemental Calendar #1 and we'll try to accommodate those individuals who were a little tardy on getting on the House Floor. House Bill 711, Representative Wait. 711 has been moved to Third Reading. House Bill 2423, Representative Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2423, a Bill for an Act in relation to condominiums. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"Motions filed relating to Committee Amendment #1."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin."

"Withdraw Amendment #2."

"Withdraw Amendment #2. Are there further 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Amendments?" May 12, 1988

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin."

"Okay, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As is my practice in connection with condominium legislation I would like the record to reflect that I do represent associations. Amendment #3 is simply a response to suggestions from both Democrat and Republican Leadership in terms of technical changes in the Bill."

"Any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Amendment #3 appears to allow attorneys' fees for that action incurred prior to initiation of the court action, is that right?"

"Yes, the original Bill struck the lien for attorneys' fees. That's currently in the Condominium Property Act. What this does is to partially restore that lien for attorneys' fees incurred prior to going to court."

"So you would not allow attorneys' fees lien for the cost of collection but you would allow it for anything predating the initiation of a collection action?"

"The procedure that is followed under a forceable is you have to... the association must give a thirty day notice, make a demand on the unit owner, to pay the amount that is outstanding. Included in that frequently is the cost of collection and any attorneys' fees that are incurred initially. If the person does not pay the amount that is demanded then the association takes him to court. And as part of what.... if they win in court they are able to be awarded their attorneys' fees at that point." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"And under current law, does the attorneys' fees include both pre-initiation and post-initiation action?"

"Under current law it is unclear and it was my intention in this legislation to deal with the very unfortunate set of situations that have occurred where there has been abuse on the attorneys' fees issue. And I initially took it out totally because I was concerned about the abuse. After talking to some managing agents, management people, we partially put it back in."

"So the court action itself you would not be able to recover attorneys' fees for the court action itself?"

"That's correct."

"Well, why is that just if you're going to allow attorneys' fees for actions predating the court case?"

"Once you go into court. The court can award full attorneys' fees, and then once you get a judgement for those attorneys' fees, you can of course, record that judgement as a lien. So this is simply a special lien that was in place for condominiums, if you go to court and you get a judgement for further attorneys' fees you can obviously record that as a more general lien."

"I still don't understand, are you allowing for the award of attorneys' fees for both pre and post-initiation action?"

"The terms of a lien, okay the lien that's provided."

"I'm not talking about the lien, do you allow attorneys' fees for both sides of the lawyers' activities?"

"Yes."

"And you allow a special lien only for pre-initiation attorneys' fees."

"That's correct."

"But a general lien would still lie, for a judgement order which included as a part of the attorneys' fees." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"That is correct."

"Post initiation fees..."

"That's correct." May 12, 1988

"So what is the point of all this? I mean, I'm not being facetious. But I don't know what...what is the point?"

"Well, the underlying Bill is attempting to deal with a situation among others where a woman owed seven hundred and fifty dollars in unpaid assessments, the attorney for the association ended up charging twenty thousand dollars in attorneys' fees and this is an attempt to put some restraints on that kind of abuse by putting into the case law into the statute what is currently case law in terms of a check list of what the courts should look at in awarding attorneys' fees. The hourly rate of the attorney the number of hours put in, the amount being sought so that there can be some limitations on this particular kind of situation where there has been substantial abuse. Certainly you should be able to collect attorneys' fees but on a seven hundred and fifty dollars case you shouldn't get stuck with twenty thousand dollars under most circumstances of attorneys' fees."

"Alright, well, your check list, no attorneys' fees shall be awarded for any time spent litigating the award of the attorneys' fees. I agree with that. Except where that is litigated pursuant to a 2611 order. Alright... so your subsection 3 on line 26 of of the original Bill is still intact."

"The last section was removed by Amendment #1."

"By Amendment #1, alright."

"Everything else in that check list is case law today and we're simply putting into the statute so that the courts will have a mandate to follow it." 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"What is the point of allowing one particular type of lien or specially designated lien for pre-petition, or pre-initiation actions but allowing what is already allowed by law a lawyers' lien for the post-initiation action?"

"Okay, alright, going back to the example I gave before of the woman who lost her condominium because of the seven hundred and fifty dollar claim. In that particular case she received her demand, she says, here's the seven hundred and fifty dollars that you claim I owe and the attorney says I'm not going to accept that I want an additional two thousand dollars in attorneys' fees. And this was in.. that's where that lien comes into play. So it's..."

"Under current law, does the lien come into play merely by the assertion?"

"Yes, yes."

"So that she cannot clean it up as a matter of law if there is a disagreement over pre-initiation attorneys' fees."

"That is correct. And I've had extensive discussions with Art Harrison on this issue and we have not been able to fully resolve it. I told Art, I'm not... I am somewhat uncomfortable, I think this is the best approach we've been able to come up with."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2918, Representative Mays, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2918, a Bill for an Act concerning Income Tax Refunds. Second Reading of the Bill. No 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2957, Granberg O'Connell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2957, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2958, O'Connell, Repre... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2958, a Bill for an Act to amend the Crime Victims Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2959. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2959, a Bill for an Act to amend the Violent Crime Victim's Assistance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3057. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3057, a Bill... this Bill's been read a Second Time previously. We are waiting for a mandates note to be filed."

"Representative McCracken."

"I'll withdraw the fiscal note on this Bill." 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"The request for State mandate note has been withdrawn."

"No Motions relating to Committee Amendment #1."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3107."

"House Bill 3107, a Bill for an Act requiring immunization, screening and post secondary education institutions. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3252, Representative Hensel. Do you want that Bill called, Sir? 3252. Out of the record. House Bill 3335, O'Connell - Granberg. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 3335."

"House Bill 3335, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3337, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3337, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the adoption of persons. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. 3592, Representative O'Connell. 3592, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 3592."

"House Bill 3592, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative McCracken."

"Representative McCracken on Amendment #2 to House Bill 3592."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 would require that the appropriation for the needs of minors in the Juvenile Court be provided by the County Board subject to its standard appropriation process. And that all reasonable fees necessary to the placement of minors as ordered by the court be taken from a segregated fund devoted exclusively to that purpose. That's the... that's the Amendment."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative O'Connell."

"I have no objection to placing the Amendment on the Bill."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3593, Representative O'Connell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3593, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the Floor?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. Alright, now were going to go to 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 the Order of House Bills, Third Reading at the request... Consent Calendar for those Members who wish to have those Bills brought back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment. Third Reading to be brought back to Second for purpose of an Amendments. Representative Steczo, Representative Steczo in this chamber? House Bill 910, do you wish to have that Bill brought back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment? Amendment has been filed. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Does the Gentleman have leave to bring the House Bill 30..910 back to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 910, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Amendment #1 was adopted previously. Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Steczo."

"Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, Amendment #2 makes a change that the Governor recommended last year and that is giving the Regional Superintendent thirty days instead of fifteen days to make a choice of a School Board member vacancy. That's all the Amendment does."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Currie on House Bill 3113. Lady has withdrawn the Amendment. If you want, we'll bring it back. Representative Ewing, is Representative Ewing in the chamber? ...Bill 3113 on the record, Mr. Clerk? Representative Matijevich, 3113, do you want to bring that back 3131? 3131, do you want to bring 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day that back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment? Alright, out of the record. Representative Hensel, 3477, do you wish to bring that back to Second? Mr. Clerk, 3477. Does the Gentleman have leave to bring House Bill 3477 back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3477, a Bill for an Act to amend the Barber, Cosmetology and Esthetics Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hensel."

"Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose are you seeking recognition, Sir?"

"Mr. Speaker, I do not have a copy of that Amendment. Has that been distributed?"

"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been distributed? Amendment has been distributed."

"Alright, well, I'll just listen carefully to the explanation then and see if there's any problem."

"The Gentlemen from DuPage, Representative Hensel. On Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This Amendment is a cleanup to the Bill, and there was some concern over the last four lines in the Bill. The last sentence where it says that the shampooist must perform the task under the direct supervision of a licensed cosmetologist. There was some concerns that nurses in nursing homes and hospitals may not be under direct supervision, and SO we've inserted this Amendment to exclude nurses and they wouldn't have to worry about if they were violating a law by not having direct supervision and I think it's just a good cleanup Bill... Amendment to 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day the good Bill. And I ask for approval."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Cullerton, did you hear the discussion on the Amendment? Satisfied? No further discussion? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. ... 3513, Representative Homer. Do you wish to bring this back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment, Sir? 3513, Mr. Clerk, is there an Amendment filed?"

"Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi, do you have an Amendment to Homer's Bill, 3513?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to bring House Bill 3513 back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment? Hearing none. Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Amendment #1 to amend House Bill 3513, offered by Representative Giorgi."

"Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, this is an Amendment to clarify some problems that are occurring on the marketplace over a machine that is called a crane game. And this...all this Amendment does is allows, it signals that that machine is an amusement device involving skill and it rewards the player exclusively of merchandise contained within the amusement devise proper and limited to prize toys and novelties, and I urge the adoption of the Amendment." 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Countryman, do you have an Amendment? Does the Gentleman have leave to bring House Bill 3646 back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment? Hearing none, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Countryman."

"I need to move to table Amendment #1."

"Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 3646, Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted, Amendment #1 is tabled. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment Representative Countryman." #2 is being offered by

"Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Countryman on Amendment #2."

"Amendment #2 effectively replaces Amendment #1 so that it's now clear. There's a separate Section number for this provision and the penalty provisions which was a question in committee. Would apply, first offense, would be a Class A Misdemeanor, second and subsequent offense then a Class IV Felony and that's because it has its own Section number will come under the next Section under the penalty clauses. I move its adoption."

"Are there any discussion on Amendment #2? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"No objections, it's fine."

"Any discussion? Representative Cullerton, none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment #2 has been adopted. 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Are there further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 4 of the Calendar on Second Reading appears House Bill 3466, Representative Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3466, a Bill for an Act to amend Child Passenger Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Countryman."

"Representative Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 adds to the Bill an exception in the cases of emergency. This Bill would require all persons who, regardless of whether they're the parent of a child or not who have a child under four in a vehicle, to have them in a restraint system. This Amendment only provides for an exception in cases of emergency. As an example, I raised to the Sponsor in committee and I think it gives people who are dealing in emergency situation the ability to deal with it without breaking the law. I move its adoption."

"Any further on the Amendment? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1732, Representative Hoffman. The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill back to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. 1732, does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing none, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. This is on page 36 of the Calendar, the Bill was moved today and there's been an 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 inquiry and there's an Amendment that has to be put on for technical reasons. So the Gentleman asks to move it back."

"House Bill 1732, Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Ropp."

"Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 establishes terms for the Illinois Council on Vocational Education which is a current federal law that we are operating under and it just established terms for the members of that particular council. No changes whatsoever."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third... Third Reading. Alright, now does the Gentleman have leave to put this Bill back on the Consent Calendar? Excuse me. On the Consent Calendar and heard today. Hearing none, leave is granted. The Order of Business now, we're going to go back to page 36 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar, Third Reading, Second Day for the purposes of the request by the Sponsors to return these Bills back to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of Amendments. The following Bills 3309, 3499, 3544, 3557 and 3758. First Bill will be 3309, Representative Kirkland. Is Representative Kirkland in the chamber? 3309, out of the record. 3499. 3491, Representative Ryder. 3499. 3544, Representative Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read 3544."

"House Bill 3544 is on the Order of Third Reading, Consent Calendar."

"Alright, does the Gentleman have leave to bring 52  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 this back to the Order of Second Reading? Hearing none, leave is granted."

"Amendment #1 to House Bill 3544 is offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill deals with being able to raise money by the horse breeders in order that they can fulfill the task of determining who the winners are of certain purses that are won that should be awarded to breeders. What the Amendment does is that rather than give this money directly to the organization, it would give the money to the Illinois Racing Board, then this organization or any other organization that qualifies can apply for a grant for the money. It's reluctantly agreed to by the people who are in favor of the Bill. The Illinois Thoroughbred Breeders Fund, and I would appreciate your support on the Amendment."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? All those in favor signi... The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Was this Amendment discussed in the committee at all as something that was supposed to be added to this Bill, or something that just came up recently?"

"No, it did come up subsequent to the committee hearing. You may recall that the proponent of this Bill is a group. I think it's called the Illinois Thoroughbred Breeders Association and they wanted to change the structure of the purse distribution in order for them to obtain some money. I think about a hundred thousand dollars and the purpose of that fund was to go out and help 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 find breeders of horses in order that they can receive their awards that they win pursuant to the Illinois Breeders Award. Now the thought was, the objection that was raised, really by myself was maybe we shouldn't be passing a law that gives this one group the money directly. Let's take the money and give it to the Racing Board, then make this organization come in and apply for it by a grant. And so when I say they reluctantly agreed to it, they would prefer to have the money directly, but this way, I think it's better to have it go through the Racing Board."

"Thank you very much."

"Further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave to return this to the Order of Consent Calendar SO the Bill could be heard today? Hearing none. Leave is granted by the Attendance Roll Call. Now we're gonna go. The Chair wants to make an announcement that tomorrow we will go to the Order of Consent Calendar, the yellow Calendar today to give the Members an opportunity to vote on Bills individually if they wish to do so. Tomorrow, Consent Calendar, the yellow copy, today, we'll do it tomorrow. All those Members who wish to look through the Bills and vote individually for or against will have an opportunity. Representative McCracken."

"Do you refer to the Daily Calendar, Consent Calendar?"

"No, the yellow Calendar, today the Supplemental Calendar #1, today Consent." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Alright, how much time do we have to go over it?"

"Tomorrow."

"Tomorrow. Okay, good."

"Tomorrow we're going to...we're going to do it tomorrow."

"Good, very good, thank you."

"Alright, now we're going to the Order of Environment and Economic Development. Representative Breslin, on page 27, Environmental Calendar and Economic Calendar. Page 27, appears House Bill 3389, the Order of Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3389, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Solid Waste Management Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Out of the record. The Lady is not ready. The Lady's not ready, we'll take it out of the record. Alright, we'll take it from the top and move all the way down, Representative McCracken. We'll go down the line here. Representative Younge. Wyvetter Younge on House Bill 196, Environmental Energy Calendar, it's on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, 196."

"On page 6 of the Calendar, House Bill 196, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metro-East Sanitary District. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1766, Representative Rea, page 6 of the Calendar. Mr. Clerk, out of the record. 1769, out of the record. 2288, Representative Wyvetter Younge, page 7 of the Calendar. 2288 on Second Reading. 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Do you want to move it?"

"No." May 12, 1988

"Out of the record. How about 2464? Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2464."

"House Bill 2464, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Illinois Department of Urban Development. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Were there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Kirkland."

"Representative Kirkland. Is Representative Kirkland in the chamber? Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"Take it out of the record until he returns. Take it out of the record."

"Out of the record. Representative Mautino. Is Representative Mauti... Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"I understand there is an error in the Amendment. I move to table it."

"Which Bill are you talking abo... 2464?"

"Yes."

"You want to put it back in. Alright, Mr. Clerk, 2464."

"Motion to table Amendment #2 to House Bill 2464, offered by Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'... Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, will the maker of the Motion yield? Representative, is this a hostile Amendment or one which had not been agreed upon or was it the result of negotiations in committee? Do you know?" 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"No, I've had May 12, 1988 no discussion in reference to the Amendment. I understand there's a technical error in that Amendment #1 was not taken into consideration, therefore I move to table it. But I have had no discussions in reference to it."

"Well, I didn't understand that, but that's good Younge: enough for me." "Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Lady moves to table the Amendment. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', does the Lady have leave? Leave is granted, the Amendment is tabled. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Homer, House Bill 3064, are you ready, Sir? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3064, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Churchill."

"Representative Churchill. Mr. McCracken."

"Speaker, it's my understanding it's agreed with leave, I'd like to move the adoption of the Amendment. I'll defer to Representative Homer on that."

"Representative Homer."

"Yes, this is an Amendment that was purposed by the Department of Nuclear Safety in committee. I've agreed to accept the Amendment. So, I'd ask leave to present it on behalf of Representative Churchill."

"Leave is granted." 57  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"And I would move its adoption."

"Gentleman moves for that the House adopt Amendment #2. On that, Representative Weaver."

"Would the Sponsor yield, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"Could you give us a brief idea of what this Amendment does?"

"Yes, the Bill itself deals with Regional Pollution Control Facilities and the Department of Nuclear Safety, who are standing in front of you by the way, was concerned that it would impact upon the low-level radioactive nuclear waste siting progress. And so they have asked me to put a clarifying Amendment on the Bill that would specifically say that the Bill does not cover that situation."

"Okay, thank you."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Brunsvold. House Bill 3083. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3083, a Bill for an Act in relationship to farm debt medication. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Brunsvold."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Clerk examine Amendment #1 and 2, have been filed, but I believe that 58  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 Amendment #1 and 2 are exactly the same."

"Yes, you want to adopt #1 and withdraw #2?"

"That would be my desire, yes, Mr. Speaker."

"Amendment #... go ahead."

"Amendment #2 addresses some concerns that pertain to the Bill that have happened over the past year. There are three basic provisions of Amendment #2 that I think need to be discussed. The first is the implementation period of one hundred days. We found over the past year in other programs that we can move to have the Secretary of Agriculture start the program and when it's up and running notify the individuals that they are ready for mediation. Not have a one hundred day moratorium period. So we have removed that one hundred...we've kept the one hundred days, but we've allowed the farm community to continue until the Director of Agriculture is ready for mediation. Two, we have addressed the prior bankruptcies on the second page of the Amendment saying that within a year of prior bankruptcy they cannot file for mediation. And also address the five thousand dollar provision with freezing of assets on the forty-two day of notice of mediation. We've moved that from five thousand to forty thousand. Also the rest of the language in there was recommended at the request of some of the U.S. Government loan programs to help the Bill certification with the new federal law that was passed, signed by the President in January. So with that, I'll move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Any discussion on Amendment #1? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment... Representative McCracken."

"Thank you. I've looked at the Bill and Amendment #1, does this Amendment expedite the mediation process or does it bring it to some conclusion SO that the financial 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day institution can move on from that point?"

May 12, 1988 "The Amendment...the bankers were at the meeting two This goes weeks ago and they had input into the Amendment. a long way to address some of their concerns. The banking communities concerns about this Bill. That is not to say however that they are supportive of the Bill. This would address the hundred day moratorium period which they were very objectionable to. This is much better in their eyes than it was before."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"I'm sorry, Representative Brunsvold, I didn't hear the last part of that or even the first part relative to the intent of this Amendment. Could you really explain it again, briefly?"

"The last..."

"Of this Amendment."

"The Amendment really addresses, I think three things, Representative. One, the implementation period which the Department of Agriculture agrees with. As the Bill read last year, that as soon as the Governor would sign the Bill if he would, there would have been a one hundred day moratorium on any foreclosures. This Amendment simply says that there's gonna be a phase in period by the Department of Agriculture SO that we don't have that hundred days moratorium."

"Okay, what is the phase in period?"

"There is still a hundred day cap, but when the Department of Agriculture is ready to mediate then it will make notification that they're ready and then they can proceed from that point." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Okay, so there is no moratorium after this is signed into law."

"There is not really a moratorium. No."

"Okay, but within a hundred and eighty day something had to occur."

"Within a hundred days they're still going to have to be up and running. We left that on there so, you know, we don't get any lag period where somebody just doesn't do anything."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and Amendment #1 is adopted to House Bill 3083. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Brunsvold."

"Representative Brunsvold. Withdraw Amendment #2."

"Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Currie. Representative Currie in the chamber? House Bill 3101, out of the record. Representative Parcells, 3179, is the Lady ready? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Page 10 of the Calendar. House Bill 3179."

"House Bill 3179, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?".

"No Floor Amendments.";

"Third Reading. House Bill 3315, Representative 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Cullerton. 3315.

May 12, 1988 Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." "House Bill 3315, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3393, Representative McNamara. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3393, a Bill for an Act to create the Private Enterprise Review and Advisory Board. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative McNamara."

"Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Floor Amendment #1 reflects an agreement that we made with the United Way people. Who objected to the sentence in the original Bill so we have deleted it under Amendment #1. I urge its adoption."

"Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hensel, 3429. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3429, a Bill for an Act to amend the Radiation Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee." 62  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Mc Pike, Representative Young, Anthony Young. House Bill 3662, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3662, a Bill for an Act in relationship to job referral and job listing services. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"There any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Representative Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 clarifies that a job referral service is not an employment agency and it extends from five to ten days the period during which job seekers must receive three job referrals and it also includes the State's Attorney as someone who can enforce this Act in addition to the Attorney General. I move for its adoption."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Stange, House Bill 3668. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3668, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"There any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Representative Stange."

"Representative Stange."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 takes effective July 1, 1990 on this particular Bill."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Levin. Representative Levin in the chamber? Representative Parcells, 3719. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3719, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill directs Environmental Protection Agencies to file a lien against any property for which the State has incurred cost for the cleanup of hazardous waste. In concept, the Bill is substantially similar to municipal weed cutting ordinance. In other words, very often we find there are hazardous waste being dumped on private property out there. The EPA must go in and clean it up and then this what has now been a useless piece of property finds out a very expensive piece of property. When these hazardous wastes are taken off the Bill, the property becomes valuable and the owner is the one who makes the profits on this, this should be paid for the EPA must give notice. With the Amendment, the EPA must give notice to the property owner that he is to 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 clean up the property or the EPA will clean it up. If the property owner does not pay for this cleanup, the EPA will then put a lien on the property. The Amendment also responds to a problem that the Chicago Title had concerning the lack of means to inform potential purchasers of the property about this pending cleanup. The Amendment requires that a notice be recorded as soon as the Environmental Protection Agency determines that it will initiate the cleanup. I know of no opposition to the Amendment. And I ask for you favorable vote."

"Any discussion? The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative Parcells, this Amendment apparently was recently filed."

"Beg your pardon?"

"When did you file this Amendment?"

"This morning."

"I don't know whether it has been printed and distributed, I'm not asking that..."

"....Yes, it has."

"I'm not asking that question in any event. But what I am ask... our staff has not had an opportunity to review it. The Bill itself, I understand, allows a lien by the State on cleanup actions against the landfill. Well, explain what the Bill does and what does the Amendment do?"

"Well, alright, the Amendment, I think I explained the Bill by way and then explained the Amendment afterwards but the Amendment responded to some concerns that the Chicago Title Company had about a buyer, a proposed buyer. For instance, if you were about to buy a piece of property and you were not aware that there was a lien on it. That you 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 should also be able to get your money back from that buyer. The Chicago Title Company helped us draft the language which satisfied their problem."

"Wait a minute you. To get the money back, you buy some property and you find out after you bought it that there's a lien. The State has a lien on the property, now you... Correct? That's the problem. You buy it and you find out that there's a lien but you just said that allows the individual to get their money back from the buyer. Do you mean?"

"I misstated that."

"From the seller you mean?"

"What we actually want. The Amendment requires that a notice be recorded as soon as the agency determines that it will initiate this cleanup, therefore this is on file so that the would be purchaser will find out that they intend to clean this up and will realize that there is either going to have to be a bill paid here or a lien on the property."

"In other words, the notice that the agency files then is filed at the time that they determine that they will undertake a cleanup. Not after they do the cleanup. But at the time they decide they're going to do a cleanup they file a notice."

"They've filed the notice."

"Is that with the recorder in the county in which the land is situated?"

"Yes, that is true, that is correct."

"And then there is an exception in the case of emergencies."

"Right, if it would be a very hazardous condition where the health safety and welfare of the residence of that area was at stake they would clean it up immediately and file 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 the notice simultaneous to the cleanup."

"Alright, the emergency condition does not excuse the filing of the notice it simply provides that they may undertake the cleanup prior to the filing of the notice."

"Right."

"In other cases they must first file the notice before they undertake the cleanup."

"That's correct."

"Sounds like a reasonable Amendment."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Rea, Representative Rea, 3742. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Fiscal note has been requested. Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Currie, Representative Currie in the chamber? 3799. 3799, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3799, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. Thirty. Representative Currie. Hold on. Bring that Bill back, Mr. Clerk. The Lady states that there has been an Amendment filed to House Bill 3799. Mr. Clerk, leave that Bill on Second Reading, House Bill 3799. Representative Currie, 3800. Are there any Amendments filed on 3800? We seem to be running into a backlog on some of the Amendments that are filed on some of 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 these Bills and that's what's taking a little time. There are SO many Amendments that have been filed, that we're having a problem getting them ready. Alright, 3800, Representative Currie. The Amendment has been printed and distributed, would you like that to be heard? 3800. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3800, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Currie."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The underlying Bill deals with composting and permitting and the Amendment is technical, it defines composting and describes agency permit procedures. I'd be happy to answer your questions and I'd appreciate your support."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Stange has two Bills that we overlooked. House Bill 3666 and 3667. 3666, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3666, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. 3667." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"House Bill 3667, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. Representative Barnes. Representative Barnes in the chamber? House Bill 3838. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3838, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning band and orchestra tips... trips. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Barnes."

"The lady from Cook, Representative Barnes."

"I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 merely changes... makes some technical changes at the request of Representative Keane. It changes the word 'fund' to the word 'grant'."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Richmond, 3848, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Fiscal note has been requested, Sir, we'll hold it on Second. Representative Breslin, 3878, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3878, a Bill for an Act in relationship to solid waste reduction and recycling. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee." 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." May 12, 1988

"Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like the Bill read a Second time and held on Second please. Thank you."

"Does the Lady have leave? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, I assume an Amendment's coming tomorrow and you'd like to move the Bill tomorrow, can you tell us what you have in mind?"

"We're waiting for an Amendment from the Reference Bureau. But I don't want it to be held up then. So I understand if I have it read a Second time and held on Second we can move it tomorrow if there's an Agreed Amendment."

"Agreement in it?"

"Yes, I'm anticipating an Agreed Amendment."

"Okay."

"The Bill's been read a Second time. Hold the Bill on Second. Representative Currie, 3880, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3880, a Bill for an Act to amend the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3881, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"House Bill 3881, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to job search training and work programs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representatives' Currie and Barnes."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The Amendment expands the compass of the underlying Bill to include not just Project Chance but also the Department of Employment Security and the Federal Job Training Partnership Act Programs. I'd be happy to answer questions and would urge the adoption of the Amendment."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative O'Connell on House Bill 3898, Sanitary District Trustees. Are you ready, Sir? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3898, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts in certain localities. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments? There are none. Third Reading. 3913, Representative Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3913, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to recycling of waste. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Fiscal note request. Bill will remain on Second 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Reading. No Amendment's filed, the Bill will remain on Second Reading, a fiscal note requested, Mr. Cullerton, Representative Cullerton. Do you agree? Wyvetter Younge, Representative Younge. Representative Ewing. Representative Ewing in the chamber? House Bill 3969, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3969, a Bill for an Act to amend the Large Business Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. Representative Flowers, 3991. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3991, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the regulation of rivers, lakes and streams. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"House Bill 3991, Amendment #1...there are no Committee Amendments, Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Churchill and Williamson."

"Lady requests the Bill to be taken out of the record. Out of the record. Representative Younge, Wyvetter Younge. Representative Wait, 4009. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4009, a Bill for an Act to amend the Water Use Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative Johnson in the chamber? Representative Myron Olson, Representative Olson. House Bill 4145, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4145, a Bill for an Act to amend the 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Corridors of Opportunity and Development

Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Speaker Giglio: "Are there any Floor Amendments?" May 12, 1988 Act. Second Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Myron Olson."

"Representative Olson." Olson, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Keane and myself. It's a technical Amendment to the 4145, in essence it says all council shall provide matching funds for or any kind of contribution as required by the department. And then on line 21 we indicate that the amount that may be used for administrative purposes should not exceed 5 percent of the total appropriation in any given fiscal year. We would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment... Representative from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."

"Question of the Sponsor, Myron. That five percent was not to exceed the five percent ceiling on administrative cost?" Olson, M.: "Yes, that was changed from 3 percent to 5 percent."

"Okay." Olson, M.: "Fine, yes. That would be all the quarter councils?"

"Right. I think we should go to two percent."

"Any further discussion on Amendment #1? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Anthony Young, House Bill 4179. 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Criminal Code, dumping garbage. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4179, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to criminal jurisprudence. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Representative Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The underlying Bill is a Bill that tries to address the problem of illegal dumping and sets up criminal offenses on a step-by-step process for the first, second and third offense. Amendment #1 says for a third or subsequent conviction the penalty will not only be a felony but it will also be subject to the forfeiture statute of this State. And provides that prior to such forfeiture there shall be court hearings to determine whether the property is subject to forfeiture under this Act. I move for its adoption."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Just for purposes of the record if it ever becomes important, would you construe the term any property used at the beginning of this Amendment to include for example, the dump trucks used if they were owned by the land owner."

"Owned by the land owner?"

"Yeah, I mean what..."

"I think in terms of the Bill I don't think we could have illegal dumping the way the Bill is written on your own property. It would be dumping on someone elses property." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Oh I see. So this might apply to a licensed hauler?"

"If in fact he was dumping say in a vacant city lot or under a viaduct rather than a legal dump site, yes it could."

"Okay, but if it were on his own property this Bill wouldn't apply?"

"No it would not."

"Alright, SO you would expect commonly to have its application to the waste hauler? Well I guess that answers it. Thank you."

"Further Discussion? Representative Weaver." The Gentleman from Coles,

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? Representative, on the underlying Bill you have added to the equipment that is being forfeited. As I read, it indicates that the court will hold a hearing, is this...is there any time limit involved or is this...how far can the charges go back before this hearing is set?"

"We already have a certain forfeiture statutes in the State now for other crimes such as, vehicle used and say the sale of drugs. There is a forfeiture statute and all this Bill is saying is the same forfeiture provisions are already in effect for other crimes would now apply for this particular offense also."

"And I'm not an attorney maybe you can help me out. What is the penalty, what is the jail time for a felony under this Bill?"

"Okay, first of all the underlying Bill will make...it would have to be the third conviction before it became a felony. The first conviction would be a Class B Misdemeanor which has a maximum jail term of 6 months. The second conviction would be a Class A Misdemeanor which has a maximum jail term of a year. Then the third is 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day subsequent conviction would be a Class 4 Felony which carries a term from one to three years."

"So if I'm caught dumping garbage a third time, convicted a third time I'll spend some hard time up to three years in the State Penitentiary?"

"Well that's if a judge sentences you to that because a Class 4 Felony also is a probational offense."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Is there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"On page 25 is House Bill 4220, Representative Kirkland. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4220, a Bill for an Act to enlarge the corporate limits of the Metropolitan Sanitary District of Greater Chicago. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. House Bill...on page 26 appears House Bill 4280, Representative Hannig. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4280, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Department of State Police. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"There are none."

"Third Reading. Representative McPike in the 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Chair." May 12, 1988

"House Bill 4282, Representative Hicks. Is the Gentleman here, Representative Hicks? Out of the record. The Chair intends to go to State Budget Special Order, SO the appropriations people should be so advised. ...on the Calendar, House Bill 3116, Representative Leverenz. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. 3116."

"On page 9 of the Calendar, House Bill 3116, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Elections. It's been read a second time previously. Amendment #31 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3116, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to State Board of Elections. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3116 would be the ordinary and contingent expense to the State Board of Elections. It contains after the reduction in committee $4,819,129.00. I move for the passage of House Bill 3116."

"The Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 3116. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3116 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 109 'ayes', no 'nays', 3 voting 'present'. House Bill 3116, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3150, out of the record. House Bill 3162, 77  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3162, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Supreme Court. It's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3162, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Supreme Court. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3162 is the appropriation for the Supreme...for the courts in the State of Illinois. As introduced, it was $181,044,170.00 as cut by Chairman Leverenz and Jeff Mays, it ends up with $153,266,541.00, nobody's happy but we appreciate your support of the Bill as amended and I ask for your vote."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3162. And on that, the Gentleman from Coles, Representative Weaver."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Representative, to your knowledge has the Supreme Court yet allowed the state auditor to conduct an audit of their books?"

"Representative Weaver, I just had discussions with the liaison and they tell me there's auditors all over the place. They've even given them another room. What they're doing I can't tell you, but let me tell you there are a lot 78  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 of auditors around. So, they're in the process right now."

"So, in your estimation they have finally opened their doors to the auditor?"

"They're around."

"Hallelujah, thank you."

"Representative Dunn."

"A question of the Sponsor. In the Governor's budget there was a proposal for about forty million dollars of increases for judges. How does this Bill reflect that?"

"The...Representative Dunn, the judgeships are funded as amended."

"At forty million dollars above last year?"

"It's 11.5 million the staff tells me."

"Above last year?"

"Correct."

"Thank you. Alright, I rise in opposition to the Bill. We shouldn't be increasing funding for judges this year."

"Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to clarify the audit situation with the Supreme Court. The auditors are still not able to audit the attorney registration and disciplinary fund for the Supreme Court. So, there may be auditors...many auditors in the Supreme Court system, but there are a number of funds that are not being audited. And I just thought that for clarification. Thank you."

"Representative Hultgren."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, he will."

"My analysis indicates that among the expenditures for the court in the... and the forty million dollars would be three new circuit court programs, three new programs through the administrative office and three new programs for the Supreme Court. Could you identify what those new 79  103rd Legislative Day programs are?" STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"Could you repeat that question, Representative Hultgren, we didn't hear that?"

"Well, I got the answer in the other ear. So I'll withdraw the question, I'm sorry."

"Oh, alright, thank you. Appreciate the help from your other ear."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this budget. It does represent an increase over the last years funding, but frankly I think Representative Dunn highlighted a major cost item that we don't have any control over. We passed a Bill establishing new circuit judgeships in this State. We've got the judges coming on line and we've got to pay for them. We can't not do that and that's a major part of the increase over last years level. We did trim them back, we've asked them to do expand pilot programs rather than taking them statewide. Try to get to those programs that they think can make the courts run more efficiently. I think this budget as it stands right now, is a good step forward. We've got a new administrator that I think a lot of people in this chamber have a lot of faith in and I think we should pass this Bill on out. Let the Senate work with it a little bit more."

"Representative Matijevich to close."

"Mr. Speaker, I appreciate those remarks of Jeff Mays and I also want to concur with what he said. I think the courts have taken a major step in providing a new administrator, a courts liaison with the Legislature and the chief justice happens to be a personal good friend of mine and he too recognizes the need to bridge the gap that we've had between the Legislative Branch and the Judicial Branch of government. He's Justice Tom Moran and I would 80  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 appreciate your favorable support of this appropriation."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3162 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Davis to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to vote for this appropriation, but in view and in light of the fact that not one Minority is appointed to the Supreme Court, I must vote 'no'."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill... Berrios, 'aye'. Bugielski, 'aye'. On this Bill there are 86 'ayes', 24 'no', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 3162, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Returning to a Bill taken out of the record, House Bill 3150, hyphenated Cosponsors Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz will handle the Bill. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3150, a Bill for an Act appropriating funds in relationship to the Build Illinois Programs. It's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 was withdrawn. Next Amendment is Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Hicks."

"Representative Hicks. Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a Cosponsor of that Amendment that is a kind of Amendment that shifts some numbers around, it has no actual dollar change. I would move it for the adoption of Amendment #3."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the 81  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3150, a Bill for an Act making appropriations appropriating funds in relationship to the Build Illinois Programs. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Bill now includes $243,750,000.00 in new appropriations and the balance of $824,047,000.00 is re-appropriated in the Bill. I would ask for your 'aye' vote to pass House Bill 3150."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3150 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 99 'ayes', 6 'nos', 6 voting 'present'. House Bill 3150, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3199, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3199, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Insurance. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in committee. Floor Amendment #3 is being offered by Representatives' Mays and Tate."

"Amendment #3, Representative Mays. Withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Mays and Tate." 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #4 would bring some equity into the personal services cuts the department incurred in committee. A lot of people may or may not know that personal services is a major expenditure area in State Government. And one way to reduce costs is to reduce personal services. And if you're going to reduce costs measurably you can't avoid reducing personal services. The actions, however, that were taken in committee keyed in on that portion of State employment dealing with merit comp. These are the people that put in the overtime and don't get paid, these are the people that put in the holidays and weekends and don't get paid, these are the people that are responsible with the administration of the programs. Now, the Republicans joined the Democrats in reducing personal service lines for the merit comp. people, but we felt that in the name of equity we should be addressing all personal services lines consistently. So that we can create a base of unobligated funds for re-allocation at a later time. It's for that reason that we offer Amendment #4 and I'd be glad to try to answer whatever questions may occur."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4 and on that, the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's not a lot of money, but there's a strong message here. If we're going to do something to avoid the tax increase. If we're going to have to look to our Leadership, and to which we're just not getting good Leadership from the Speaker's Office where there's no direction. We need to set direction one step at a time and this is one of those small steps, to set that direction which is to say to the people of Illinois it's 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day time to stop spending. It's time to cut back. May 12, 1988 It's time to say to the taxpayers that we can live within our means. If we don't take this small $71,700 step in that direction then we have made a serious error. It's only a few dollars in the balance of the budget but we have to step off in that direction. We have to be fair in the cutbacks that we make, but we have to make them. And if we're going to avoid raising taxes, if we're going to have money for education, for mental health and to build prisons we have to take these sort of steps. So I urge an 'aye' vote for the Gentleman's Amendment."

"The Gentlemen from...the Lady from LaSalle, excuse me, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, the issue we discuss here today is the issue of whether or not the executive should have the power to enter into contracts with the State employees of this State without any consideration by this Legislature. This Governor chose to enter into a three year contract that binds this State for all State employees. Now, we can argue that perhaps there should have been some Legislative input into that issue. But, right now this State is committed to that contract. Mr. Speaker, I would ask for a Roll Call vote on this question."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I thank you, Mr. Speaker. The rhetoric from the other side of the aisle should be just issued in your press release and get that over with. The fact of the matter is you cannot use the equity or anything else to defend the Amendment. You'd actually default on a labor union agreement and a contract. And that's wrong. So, we would just request a Roll Call vote and have everybody vote on the matter." 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Representative Giorgi." May 12, 1988

"Mr. Speaker, I was coming in the room and I heard a previous Member of the other side of the aisle asking the Speaker's Office for direction on that tax increase. Representative Stevens, can you elaborate on that please? Can you tell us what direction you want to go into on a tax increase? Especially advise to the Speaker's Office?"

"Representative Giorgi, Representative Stevens is not the Sponsor of the Bill. He was speaking to the Amendment. So proceed, Sir. Proceed, Representative Giorgi."

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker. I am specifically asking him to put into the record what direction he wants the Speaker and the Speaker's Office to take on the tax increase. He mentioned it earlier and I'd like him to amplify in the statements and to give us some elucidation on what he's talking about."

"Representative Stevens, your name has been used in debate and if you choose you can rise on a point of personal privilege. Representative Stephens."

"Yeah, I'd be remiss in my duties if I didn't respond. I'd like the Speaker to take any position, any position so that we had some Leadership. Any position would be better than where he's at now with none. I'd like the Speaker to take the position that the growth in government has to stop somewhere. That there has to be a lid on some spending in Illinois and that the taxpayers in Illinois can only do so much for the people of Illinois. To have some limits in spending is a reasonable position for the Speaker to take. For the Speaker of the House to come out and say that we have limits and we will live within them. That's what I want."

"You spoke...you took the floor and said..." 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Representative Giorgi, proceed."

"That you want the Speaker's Off...or the Speaker himself to give you some direction as to what to do about a tax increase, that's...you're not talking about a tax increase, you're talking about spending. You said earlier you'd like some direction, you'd like to give the Speaker some direction on which way to go on the tax increase. Give him some direction. Give us some direction as to which way you want us to go on that tax increase. Give us the directions. Put it in the record. Put it in the record. Put it in the record. Put it in the record. The record is open. Put it in the record. The record is open."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure that Representative Stephens is in order too. But if he is I think I may be in order too. Because he asked for some direction from the Speaker, I thought I heard the Speaker say that he's not convinced that there should be a tax increase. And I think that's what Representative Stephens is not convinced of either. Now let's talk about Leadership if we will, God rest his soul, Governor Ogilvie left us. And Governor Ogilvie was a good Governor, a great Governor. I was here when they passed the State income tax. There's not many of us left that were here then. Representative Giorgi was here, Representative Hoffman was here, and I was here. And I'll tell you the way they did it, the Governor at that time exerted Leadership and responsibility. The Governor, at that time proposed a tax increase and he did it responsibly. He had a Leader in the Senate push the Bill, that was Senator Errington. When the Bill came in the House he had the Leader, the Republican Leader in the House take that Bill. The Governor at that time knew it was his responsibility and his only. What is the Governor doing 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day today? Well, May 12, 1988 last year he advocated 6 tax increases, and did such a bungled up job that the last week of the Session he even said we should need more than a 1,600,000,000. What is he doing this year? He's saying we need a tax increase, but he has nobody, nobody to carry the ball. He even said that in May, sometime in May he's going to just tell us how much we need. Well, here it is May 12, or 1lth, we still don't know how much. Governor, you got everybody in the State of Illinois up in the air, everybody. You've been flying all over the State of Illinois, but we're all up in the air. Because none of us, none of us know where you want to go. And it's no wonder that we are all confused. Governor, you're doing the same thing you did last year, only it's getting more confusing. Governor Stephens... Stephens, I don't know if I...I'll tell you when you're Governor, I'm leaving the State of Illinois. But I think you do have a point, that we do need direction, but it surely isn't coming from the second floor, Representative Stephens. I am sorry for the freudian slip, because you'll never be Governor."

"Representative Bowman." Bowman: to education. "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Now let's just calm down a minute here. Let me point out that the overall posture of the Bills that will be brought before this Body today contemplates taking out eighty-six million dollars, mostly in personal services and equipment lines and transferring that money We also plan to deal with the Senate Bills that are coming over the same way, so that we can take money from certain lines in the budget and give about two hundred million dollars to education. The transfer should be washed SO that the Governor's budget, which was introduced by him if it wasn't balanced when it was introduced, it will be in 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 balance when it goes to his desk. So, the issue with respect to the Amendment before us is not balancing the budget or not, the issue is whether we should take a hit, a further hit in the personal services line over and above what the committees put in. And I would just like to recite the Republicans own rhetoric. When the Democrats offered the Amendment #1 in committee the Republicans on my committee said, 'Well, we can't simply exclude the monies for the merit comp. increases, the money is being taken out of the whole personal services line. That could result in layoffs, it could result in any number of things'. Well that's precisely the effect with your Amendment, only more so. Because in the case of the employees that you're targeting they do have a contract. And SO if the Republicans felt that Amendment #1 was defective, their own Amendment has that effective magnified, many fold. So, the issue here is really not what it seems on the surface, what we're engaging here with this Amendment is a little bit of posturing and we have had a bit of fun with that, but now it's time to get down to business. I urge the House to reject this Amendment and pass a responsible budget as contained in Amendment #1 which is already on the Bill."

"Representative Mays to close."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The previous Speaker didn't do much to bring back the focus of the debate on this Amendment. I might suggest, however, that while part of the question is how much do we wish to decommit from the Governor's proposed expenditures, that is a part of the debate on this particular Amendment. It is also a debate on equity, when you take down personal service lines by whatever amount the impact is going to be layoffs, I agree with the previous Representative. Especially if you're going to have to honor contracts whether they be merit 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day comp. May 12, 1988 contracts...the Department of Central Management Services has dictated the agencies to follow or A.F.S.C.M.E. contracts. So if you're going to take down personal services one dollar and you're still going to allow five percent increases anywhere you're going to have to have some sort of layoffs without re-obligating dollars to that line. So the net effect of their Amendment is the same as ours, it just doesn't have the kind of equity that should be in place. The message we will be sending by not adopting this is that those people that are dedicated public servants that don't get paid overtime, that do dedicate their lives and families to the prospect of providing services to the people of this State aren't going to be recognized in a manner appropriate. And that's what I hope to highlight with this Amendment and that is all. So I move its adoption, I would ask for a Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Hultgren to explain your vote."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. The...one of the previous speakers urged us to adopt a responsible budget. Seems to me that in order to adopt a responsible budget one of the things we need to do is to properly fund the State Managed Pension Systems. For example, Senate Bill 1470, which is still on our Calendar would be an attempt to responsibly balance, to responsibly fund those pension systems. The only way we're going to come up with the money to fund Senate Bill 1470 and other proposals like that is if we cut somewhere else. And I think this is a good first step in trying to do that."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 45 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 'ayes', 65 'nos', 3 voting 'present' and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3199, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Insurance. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the budget for the Department of Insurance with the exception of a few travel lines for auditors and things like that. I think the budget's in pretty good shape, not withstanding the defeat of the Amendment that we just offered and I would move its passage."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3199 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Leverenz."

"I'm voting for 12,144,000.00, thank you."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 106 'ayes', 8 'nos', 1 voting 'present' and House Bill 3199, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Matijevich has requested a Rules Committee Meeting at this time for the consideration of Senate Bill 2202. Representative Matijevich moves to waive the appropriate rules posting requirements so that Rules Committee can meet while we're in Session. Is there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Attendance Roll Call will be used and the Motion carries. Would the Rules Committee please meet immediately behind the House chamber. Representative Mulcahey."

"Speaker, I would ask leave of the House to also have 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 House Bill 2393 heard in the Rules Committee this afternoon as well. I'm sorry, 3635."

"Alright, 3635, is that correct, Sir?"

"That's correct."

"Could you give us some idea what that Bill does so that we'll know what we're voting on here?"

"No."

"Alright, the Motion is, the Gentleman would like to waive the appropriate rule so that House Bill 3635 can also be heard in Rules. And on that, Representative Hallock."

"Yeah, I object."

"There is an objection, Sir, I'm sorry. House Bill 3200, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3200, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of the Governor. It's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is just to prove that I'm not entirely mad at the real Governor right now. This restores $207,800.00 we think the staff and the committee over cut. So I move the adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is 91  103rd Legislative Day adopted. STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Further Amendments?" May 12, 1988

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3200, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of the Governor. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the appropriation Bill for the Officer... Office of the Governor. And I move its passage."

"For the Gentleman's Motion, is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3200 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 103 'ayes', 6 'nos', 5 voting 'present'. House Bill 3200, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3201, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Clerk Leone: "House Bill 3201, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of State Police. It's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

Clerk "Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative's Leverenz and Mays."

"Representative Leverenz. Representative Mays on the Amendment."

"Thank you very much. I believe this is an agreed Amendment which straightens out a committee error that we had added money to the State Troopers line, but didn't take 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 it down from another line. And this one will do that."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representatives Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the Co-Amendment that we...similar to the one we had offered on the Department of Insurance. It's apparent that the Majority of the House is not receptive to this idea. I believe it's a mistake of this chamber, but rather than take the time of the House on future budgets, we will withdraw these particular Amendments from each of the Bills that have been proposed."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Are there further Amendments? Clerk, are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 320..."

"Representative Mays."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. There is Amendment #4 that has been filed. It was filed at 11:30 this morning. Thank you very much."

"You're correct, the Clerk has just found the Amendment. The Amendment has been filed and has not been printed or distributed. You wish to take this Bill out of the record and get back to it?"

"Yes, if we could."

"Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 3202, Representative Tate. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. That 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Bill 3201 is held on Second Reading. 3202, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3202, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Human Rights. It's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 and 3 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4 is being offered by Representative Tate."

"Representative Tate."

"Mr. Speaker, I believe we have to ask your staff a question before we proceed on Amendment #4. Get the proper direction."

"Is there someone on the Democratic staff that could tell Representative Tate what to do?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In that event I would request that we would withdraw Amendment 4, 5 and 6."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #4, Amendment #5 and Amendment #6. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7 is being offered by Representative Tate."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #7 reduces the personal services lines by $67,693.00. The reduction eliminates the transfer of two of the eight investigator positions from the Federal Funding to GRF, D.H.R has over-budgeted their federal monies for salary increases by almost forty-four percent. By reducing salary increases and increasing the turnover in hiring, this will able to keep these positions still current by using federal monies. This Bill leaves their 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day budget 28 percent over FY 88 at this time. May 12, 1988 I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #7. Is there any discussion? Representative Bowman."

"I have no objection to this Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #7 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representatives Tate and Mays."

"Representative Tate. The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #8. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #9, offered..."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #9. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3202, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Human Rights. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3202 is the normal appropriations for the Department of Human Rights. As I indicated in the Amendment, right now it's currently basically twenty-eight percent over the Fiscal Year 1988 level. I move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3202 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 89 'ayes', 16 'nos', 6 voting 'present' and House Bill 3202, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3203, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Clerk Leone: "House Bill 3203, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Rehabilitation Services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this makes a technical correction due to staff errors on agreed Amendment #1 to House Bill 3203. The Amendment now correctly reflects the intentions of that Amendment. So if this is adopted, your staff analysis will be correct."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 and on that, Representative Tate."

"The Sponsor is correct and I move for its adoption too, I agree."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3203, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Rehabilitation services. Third Reading 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Alright, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3203 is the normal contingent expenses of the Department of Rehabilitation Services, $179,000,000.00 budget roughly fifteen percent over FY 88 levels. I move for its approval."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3203 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 105 'ayes', 9 'nos', none voting 'present' and House Bill 3203, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3204, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill... House Bill 3204, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Central Management Services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Amendments?"

"No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #4 is being offered by Representatives Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays."

"Withdraw #4 please."

"Number 4 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, being offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, being offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This would restore $285,000 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 in general revenue funding for the Bureau of Benefits and make a small correction technical in nature, and with no dollar change in Amendment #1. I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Heard the Gentleman's Motion, is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, being offered by Representative Mays."

"The Amendment's withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3204, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Central Management Services. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the operations budget for the Department of Central Management Services. For operations we're about at '88 levels, as I think the committee goal was. But, the increase in this budget is represented in the group insurance lines and that's about a ten to twelve percent increase in GRF. I move for it's passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3204 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're voting on $727,624,000.00 and it should really fly out of here."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there were 101 'ayes', 8 'nos', 4 voting 'present' and House Bill 3204, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3205, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3205, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representatives Leverenz and Mays."

"Representative Leverenz, Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are rearranging and adding $3,309,400.00 in the Department of Corrections personal services related line items. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Any discussion? Representative Mays."

"Yes, my analysis would indicate that we are adding a million one for the Dixon Correctional Center's personal service lines. And we have on Amendment #2 and we are agreed with the Amendment."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Yeah, let me back off my explanation. I'm talking about something different and I'11 concur with what Representative Mays says and would ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative...further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?" 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representatives Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Leverenz and Mays."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I thank you, this is the one that I started to explain a minute ago. It adds $3,309,400.00 basically and the contractual line items straightens out the problems that we caused with committee Amendment #1. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Is there any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill...yeah, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3205, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Corrections. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the operations budget for the Department of Corrections. It would spend 430 million, as amended, $396,000.00. I move for it's passage."

"You've heard the Motion, is there any discussion? Representative Mulcahey."

"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, regarding the prison sweepstakes that have been going on for sometime, I understand the the third 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 prison is still out there in neutral land. Is that correct?"

"That is correct. There is no money in this budget to fund even the prisons that are being built right now at Mt. Sterling and Canton for their operations. So there is no money in this budget for those two, nor is there any money in this budget for the other...for the third one."

"Thank you."

"Representative Dunn."

"Question of the Sponsor. Is there money in this budget to restore any of the probation officer positions which were eliminated last year, which have caused great difficulty downstate and I think in the Chicago area as well?"

"There is no money for probation in the budget as it stands today. We are $19,000,000..."

"You mean no new money, I presume?"

"No new money for probation as it stands right now."

"And last year..."

"They're still $19,000,000 over the previous years budget in GRF, though."

"And so, none of those probation positions will be restored in this budget?"

"Not as it stands currently."

"And what about prison guards in the existing prisons, there were some shortages, some layoffs there, what does this budget do about that problem?"

"With the adoption of the Amendments #2 and #4 we added money back into try to address the personal service lines as adequately as we could. And some contractual and commodities lines too. They will...we still have eliminated some vacancies that remained in the Department of Corrections even as it stands right now."

"So with the add on for personal services, are you saying 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 that there will be any new prison guards or what will this add on for personal services do?"

"It is to keep the existing guards at Dixon. I think that the 138 beds additional that they are trying to open up there and this would keep the guards at this Dixon that were put on, I think."

"Thank you very much."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield just for one moment?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative Mays, I walked in Chairman Leverenz's committee and I feel that both you and he have done a very responsible job in the monitoring the Appropriations I Committee and the spending Bills. My question is, I recall last year as we were, you know, considering a tax increase. Right during the last two weeks there was a lot of unfavorable publicity because the Director of the Department of Corrections had purchased an airplane contrary to the will of the Appropriations Committee and the appropriations process. And I understand in committee there was some questions as relating to the use of that airplane and I'd like to know as a Member of this House what came out of that committee process? I know there's no other airplanes that are in the making. I would hope for that department, but give us an update on some of what happened. Maybe I should address it to both Chairman Leverenz and you. But you, as Minority Spokesman and Sponsor of the Bill can give us an update on that?"

"Thank you very much, Representative. Representative Mautino has followed that issue much more closely than I, but it's my understanding that there is no new money for the airplane. The operations of the airplane that was purchased last year is being monitored much more closely by 102  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 the General Assembly and that's bipartisan. So, I can't tell you anything beyond that. If Representative Mautino or Leverenz would like to add some..."

"I would hope then that you could yield to Representative Mautino because I think he could give us a clear...I think we ought to know, we have a right to know. Because last year that was done contrary to the will not only of the committee but the will of the General Assembly. So I think we have a right to know how those...that plane was used."

"That would be fine. Absolutely."

"Representative Mautino, would you address the question? Representative Mays yields to Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The questions raised in committee contained interest of all of the Members on the Appropriations Committee as it pertains to the prior leasing and purchase of the airplane. The line of questioning addressed the, number one, the merit increases, the COLA and the administrative increases which amounted to an overall five percent, four percent and four percent adjusted for thirteen percent. At the same time the cost of the hangar, which I believe was fifty-two hundred, was much higher than the average cost that ranges anywhere from sixty to eighty dollars in the private sector. The funding that was established for the lease and the purchase of the airplane was from the differences of the social security tax that was appropriated and not expended in last years appropriation's Bill. And the number of employees have been decreased and the number...and the amount of social security has been increased, which I think was caused to a certain degree...had caused a certain degree by the fact that the social security funds were used for the lease and 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 the purchase of that airplane. The follow up questions had to do with the total cost of the continuance of the repair and operation of the plane. Most of the questions if not all were satisfactorily responded to by the director and his fiscal officer. At the same token, I thought that this follow up line of questioning had to be made SO that the General Assembly was never again circumvented by any director when implementing a program that was knocked out of his prior years budget, and tried to pick up on the following year. I think that gives you an analysis of exactly what happened, no one was happy with the way that it occurred but since the plane is now operable, we're monitoring very closely the hours of...the pilot hours as well as the plane hours of time and role. And we're going to make sure it's used for the purposes of which it was intended even though it was not the General Assembly's intention to purchase it."

"Representative Matijevich, does that conclude it? Further discussion? Representative Mays to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I simply move for the passage of the Department of Correction's Bill, $430,396,000.00."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3205 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 84 'ayes', 17 'nos', 11 voting 'present'. House Bill 3205, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Olson." Olson, R.: "Record me as an 'aye' on that, would you please?"

"The record will indicate that you would have voted 'aye'. House Bill 3207. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. You want this out of the record, Representative Mays?"

"To accomodate the request of the Speaker." 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Out of the record. House Bill 3208, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3208, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Civil Service Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in committee. Next Amendment is Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays."

"Withdraw please."

"The Amendment is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3208, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Civil Service Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the operations budget for the Civil Service Commission, we'll spend $367,900.00. I move for its passage."

"Any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3208 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 102 'ayes', 5 'no', 6 voting 'present'. House Bill 3208, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3209."

"House Bill 3209, a Bill for an Act making 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Professional Regulation. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Withdraw Amendment #2. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3209, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Professional Regulation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is the budget for the Department of Professional Regulation. It would spend $16,457,000.00 General Revenue Fund dollars. And I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3209 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 98 'ayes', 8 'nos', 5 voting 'present', House Bill 3209, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3210, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3210, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Mines and Minerals. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 106  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Leone: "No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" May 12, 1988

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This would add $66,600.00. It's a corrective hat for a problem on the rental and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, being offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays, Amendment #3."

"I would like to withdraw."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3210, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Mines and Minerals. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the Bill for the Department of Mines and Minerals. Their ordinary and contingent expenses, it spends $3,877,000.00. I move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3210 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Bill there are 107 'ayes', 4 'nos', 3 voting 'present'. House Bill 3210, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3211, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Clerk Leone: "House Bill 3211, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Children and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted previously."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3211, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Department of Children and Family Services. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3211 is a normal...is a normal contingent expense ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Children and Family Services, the Fiscal Year '89 budget is fourteen percent over Fiscal Year '88's budget. I move for its approval."

"Any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3211 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 109 'ayes', 2 'nos', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 3211, received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3212. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"House Bill 3212, a Bill May 12, 1988 for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Public Health. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #9 is being offered by Representatives Tate and Mays."

"Representative Tate. Withdraws Amendment #9. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #10, offered by Representative Tate and Mays."

"Withdraws Amendment #10 and withdraws Amendment #11. Further Amendments? Withdraws Amendment #12. Is there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #13, offered by Representative Richmond."

"Representative Richmond."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment 13 to House Bill 3212 increases the grants to local health departments by $1,000,000 from general revenue fund. The basic need for this million dollars is that the basic services that have been required by the Department of Public Health have increased and placed a much heavier load that exceeds their ability to pay for it in all of our local health departments throughout the State. It's the need for the additional funding it'd also...and the second thing it does, is grants $200,000 for vision and hearing screening programs which are...it's an on going program but the amount of testing and screening for pre-school and school age children has 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 increased to the extent that this additional funding is needed. I move for the adoption of Amendment #13."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #13. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Stephens."

"We're trying to field our position on this Amendment, we just have to take a minute to read it. Seems like maybe somebody misplaced it for a second."

"Did you want to speak to it, Sir?"

"Well, I haven't had a chance to read it yet."

"Well, why don't we go to someone else that has had a chance."

"Well soon as..."

"Representative Bowman."

"Well, I was hoping for a little Leadership over there. Where's the Leadership? Have you read the Amendments yet?"

"Further discussion? Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We appreciate the need for guidance over on that side of the aisle. I believe House Bill 13 is the same Amendment that the Chairman and myself opposed in committee which was Amendment 5 and we defeated this Amendment in committee. It adds $2000,000 for one specific local health department in the State, if our staff anaylsis is correct. As a result, given the nature of this budget, this year, and the nature of most Amendments deferring from individual projects in their local district projects, I would ask the Membership to carefully consider the precedent that we're taking here and therefore oppose, what probably is a good program, but certainly one that might be a little pork in."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Richmond to close."

"Thank you, Mr...thank you, Mr. Speaker. There 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 certainly isn't any intent to have any benefits from the stand point of this being pork. This is a statewide need for everyone that has a public health department. It's true that this was turned down in the committee. I thought I would try it with a new Sponsor. I urge your support."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #13 be adopted?' All those in favor of the Amendment signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Mulcahey to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I noticed that we're...we have some new funding for pneumatic disease treatment to the act of $300,000 from general revenue fund. We're going to increase the rape...the rape prevention grants $700,000 GRF. The organ transplant funding is a million and a half, it increases funding to the Illinois Cancer Counsel for two studies in south suburban Cook County to the total of a half million dollars, but yet we elliminate the asbestos funding for school reimbursement and I'm going to vote 'no'."

"Further discussion? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 50 'ayes', 57 'nos', 2 voting 'present', the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3212, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Public Health. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3212 is the normal, ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Public Health. Their GRF 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 request for FY89 is eighty-eight million. I think Representative Mulcahey gave a very brief description in the last speech he gave of the highlights of the budget. I move for its adoption or approval."

"Any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3212 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 108 'ayes', 5 'nos' and 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 3212, having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3224, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3224, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Emergency Services and Disaster Agency. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments? Amendments filed?"

"Amendment #2 had lost in committee. Next Amendment is Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays. Withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill."

"Floor Amendment...correction. House Bill 3224, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Emergency Services and Disaster Agency. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the operations 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 budget for Emergency Services and Disaster. It appropriates 37,6... 37.6 million dollars of which 3.8 million is GRF."

"Is there any discussion? Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 108 'ayes', 2 'nos', 3 voting 'present', House Bill 3224, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3225. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3225, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Racing Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3225, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Racing Board. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Bill would appropriate $9,050,000 for the Illinois Racing Board, is non GRF. I move its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Question is, 'Shall House Bill 3225 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. This Bill, there are 90 'ayes', 20 'nos', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 3225, having received the Constitutional Majority, is 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 hereby declared passed. Representative Monroe Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm sure that Representative Stephens made a mistake. He's the Sponsor of this Bill but he voted 'no'."

"Representative Stephens."

"Well, as the senior Representative of St. Clair County I have always respected your opinion, however as this Bill was being...making its way through committee we tried to amend it and cut some extra, what I considered fat, out of the budget, we were unsuccessful. And although I'm a Cosponsor of the Bill and I appreciate your advice, Sir, I stand with my 'no' vote because I think that there are places in the budget that we can continue to cut even though I have a track in my district I have the courage to stand here and vote against that Bill."

"Representative Matijevich. I'm sorry, Sir. I thought your light was on."

"I didn't have my light on. I could respond to that but I'd rather not."

"House Bill 3226. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3226, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Court of Claims. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Mays."

"This is the budget for the Court of Claims. It appropriates about $650,000,000. I move for its passage."

"House Bill 3226, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Court of Claims. Third Reading of the Bill." 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Representative Mays has moved for the passage of House Bill 3226. Is there any discussion? Question is, 'Shall House Bill 3226 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 106 'ayes', 2 'nos', 5 voted 'present'. House Bill 3226, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3227, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3227, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses, the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendments 10, 11 and 12 lost in committee. Next Amendment is Floor Amendment #13, offered by Representative Williamson. Representative Williamson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #13 to House Bill 3227 appropriates 125,000 GRF to the Department Transportation Division of Water Resources for flood of control projects." Speaker McPike: of Amendment #13, "Is there...the Lady has moved for the adoption Representative Leverenz on the Amendment."

"It's a...the Lady respond to a question or two?"

"Yes, she says she will."

"Is this road fund bond money or general revenue?"

"GRF, General Revenue."

"For what purpose?"

"This would be for water resources to handle the 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 flooding damage and drainage improvement to Crystal Creek Water Shed which is in and around the Village of Schiller Park, Representative."

"Is this to study it or actual construction?"

"No. This would be for study and develop...development of flood control project...engineering."

"And what is the Department of Water Resources, Mr. Budime, is he in favor of this Amendment?"

"We have talked with him on this Amendment. And at this time he has no position but we have talked with him."

"As Judge Wopner would say, 'is that a yes or a no?' Does he say yes, this is a good idea?"

"He did not have a position on this."

"How about Mr. Stephens? Does he have a Leadership position on this? At this point we have added Mr. Speaker to the Amendment. I would oppose the Amendment for the following reasons. We've studied everything to depth up there and the next thing that has to be studied we've already put $200,000 in the budget for. There is no plan, there is no request from the department for this, I would not maybe call it pork because of the flooding problems in that area. But would ask you to reject the Amendment by voting 'no'."

"Representative Williamson to close."

"I would ask for an 'aye' vote on this Amendment. This will also help eleviate the flooding in Representative Leverenz's district and I ask for your support."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #13 be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye', all opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 41 'ayes', 67 'nos'. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #14, offered by Representative Mays 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day and Tate."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #14 would do basically...would return the Bill to its original pristine introduction level. It would strip off a number of pork projects that were added on in the committee. The fact that none of them are Republican is not odd because only Democrat pork projects were added on. Included, are 5.6 million in repairs for various roads all over this State, particularly southern Illinois and so on. The fact of the matter is, we have a road plan which is pretty bipartisan. We try to direct the dollars to the areas that needs the roads improved as best we can. Where the department is always open to legislative suggestions as they prepare the plan either on an annual basis or on a five year basis. So I would simply suggest what's good for all but five of us in this chamber, ought to be and we ought to just go ahead and go with the road plan as it introduced and return the Bill to its original form."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Were these things now that you're trying to gut from this Bill, that was crafted in committee?"

"Finely crafted."

"Is that what you're trying to do?"

"What I'm trying to do is take out $148,700 for the Winnebago County Paratransit System. Fifteen thousand to forgive an outstanding debt for the Village Assessor in southern Illinois, 5.6 million dollars for repairs and improvements on the various roads in southern Illinois, 200,000 for intersection improvements on the north side of 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Chicago and $500,000 for the purpose of drudging equipment for the Chicago Park District. That's spefically what I'm trying to do and our Amendment is carefully crafted."

"Well then, Mr. Speaker, to the Amendment. We have a problem here. Representative Tate and Representative Mays they do an outstanding job but in this case they're a little off base. The Secretary of Transportation doesn't drop by our district offices to ask us what is important and should be in the road program or any other program run by the Department of Transportation. So to that end we have to make some minor adjustments to make sure everything is proper and correct. And therefore, since he didn't withdraw the Amendment, I would ask for your 'no' vote to defeat the Amendment. I think we can do that by a voice vote. Thank you."

"Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These are not just minor adjustments, Ladies and Gentlemen, this is pork. Pure pork. Fo instance, one of them appropriates fifteen thousand dollars in road funds to the city assessor to reimburse the city for the cost of removing a water main which the city was ordered to remove after it illegally built it across State property. Now your all...your areas are all going to suffer while we pay off their bad debt. In addition to that we have five hundred thousand for the purpose of dredging equipment for Chicago Park District. We can't give Representative Williamson a very small amount of money but we're going to give five hundred thousand to the Chicago Park District for dredging equipment. We're going to take care of five million dollars for downstate roads. All in the same Representative's district. This is pork. It's nothing but pork. We don't have this kind of money. We're talking six million dollars. You should 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 support this Amendment. And I'd like a Roll Call Vote."

"Representative Mays to close."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think everybody knows what this Amendment does. It tries to correct the Amendment in agreed of a few Members, they're doing their job I guess, but because they couldn't work with the Department of Transportation for what every reason, it's going to penalize everybody else in this chamber. Everybody knows that we're reduced in funds from the Federal Government because of the highway trust fund problems. Everybody knows how limited the dollars are and probably everyone of us has a road project in our district that we'd really like to get done. But frankly, you have to work through the system. And this is not the way to go about it, what's good for all of us ought to be good for the five that added the Amendment on or the three that added the Amendments on. I would simply ask for a Roll Call and hopefully we could adopt this Amendment."

"Question is, 'Shall amendment #314 be adopted?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative. Representative Matijevich explains his vote."

"Well, I only rise to explain my vote because I object to the use of the term pork. I'll tell you...I'll tell you what you're...I also object to the fact that you're demeaning the legislative process. Now I invite, and I don't have this pork in here, but I should, I invite the Secretary of the Department of Transportation in my district, and if he can gravel the Greenbay Roads from 22nd Street to Belvidere Road 120 and have a comfortable ride, I say thank God for you if you have a comfortable ride. We Legislators do know our district. There are things that we...by doing this lighten...put a bright light in the 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Secretary of Department of Transportation's, you know, appropriation so that he is aware of some of our problems. We know that they may come out of here but that's the way you get his attention. There's nothing wrong with that. I think that every Legislator ought to realize you have a responsibility in your district. And this may be your only opportunity. The only chance you've got, so you may call it pork but I'll tell you when you want it, it's not pork, it's responsibility SO there's nothing wrong with it at all."

"Representative Regan to explain your vote. One Regan: minute." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, we all know what pork is, that's the amount of money that goes to someone elses' district, that's pork. Now I have a road too, John, I've got a road that I can't get in the five year program, you can't ride over it comfortably on route 50 from Kankakee to Monee. So I think everybody in this place has got a road they want for them to do something with. So let's all get the Amendments on here. Let's all go for the pork."

"Representative Stephens. Explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Matijevich, you're right, we shouldn't call this pork, that's probably demeaning to the pig. The fact of the matter is it's using general revenue funds. We've got children up in the gallery, you're taking books and pencils away from them SO you can have road projects in your districts that wrong. You ought to be a 'green' vote on this Amendment."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this amend...we have taken the record...on this...on this Amendment there are 57 'ayes', 56 'nos', none voting 'present'. The Amendment is 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3227, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the Appropriations Bill for the Department of Transportation, one of several. This would appropriate about 1.9 to one billion dollars for roads throughout the State. I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the questions is, 'Shall House Bill 3227 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 90 'ayes', 16 'nos', 6 voting 'present'. House Bill 3227, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative White."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies... Mr. Speaker, I'd like to be voted 'yes' on that last Bill. I hit the wrong switch."

"The record will indicate that Representative White would have voted 'yes' on House Bill 3227. House Bill 3228, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3228, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Revenue. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2 and 3 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Amendment #4 lost in committee. May 12, 1988 Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays. Amendment #5. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

Withdraw...withdraw "Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3228, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Revenue. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill will appropriate $1,740,558,000 to the Department of Revenue for the ordinary and contingent expenses. I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3228 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Saltsman, 'aye'. On this Bill there are 105 'ayes', 5 'nos', 2 voting 'present', House Bill 3228, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Calendar Supplemental #2. Representative Mautino for a Motion. Excuse me, Representative Mautino, a Rules Committee Report."

"Committee on Rules has met in pursuant to Rule 29(c)3, the following Bills been ruled exempt on May 12, 1988: Senate Bill 2202. Signed John Matijevich, Chairman."

"Representative Mautino for a Motion." "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The Senate Bill 2202 has been assigned to the Executive Committee and I therefore move to discharge the Executive Committee from further consideration of this legislation, and advance it 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day to the Order of Legislative Day." May 12, 1988 Senate Bills Second Reading, Second

"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Is there any discussion? Are there any objections? Hearing none, the Attendance Roll Call will be used. The Motion carries. The Bill's on Second Reading, Second Legislative Day, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 2202, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative McPike and Cullerton."

"The hyphenated Cosponsor will handle it. Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, this appears to be a technical Amendment. I move for its adoption."

"Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it, Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments? Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Returning to the page 6 of the Calendar. House Bill 3229, Representative Tate. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3229, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed." 123  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"Any Floor Amendments? Amendment #2, withdrawn."

"Floor Amendment #2." . Speaker McPike: "That's withdrawn by the Sponsor. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment..."

"The Sponsor withdraws Floor Amendment #2, 3 and 4. Excuse me...excuse me, Mr. Clerk, let's take these one at a time. Amendment #2 has been withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman. Representative Currie to handle the Amendment. Representative Currie, Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This makes a technical correction to Amendment 1 which was adopted by committee with bipartisan support. I urge its adoption."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment...Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Tate and Mays."

"The Gentlemen withdraws Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3229, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Aging. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 House Bill 3229 appropriates 135,000,000 for the FY89 ordinary and contingent expenses for the Department of Aging. I move for its approval."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3229 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 115 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present', House Bill 3229, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3230, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3230, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Industrial Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment...or Committee Amendment #2 was withdrawn in committee. Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Didrickson, Mautino and Mays."

"Representative Didrickson."

"Yes, Amendment #3 amends House Bill 3230 by appropriating to the Illinois...Industrial Commission a hundred and three thousand, five hundred and eighteen dollars."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"I agree."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3230, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Industrial Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the ordinary and contingent expense for the Industrial...Industrial Commission and will appropriate 5.43 million dollars. I move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3230 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there's 106 'ayes', 4 'nos', 4 voting 'present'. House Bill 3230, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3231, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3231, a Bill for an Act making certain reappropriations to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3231, a Bill for an Act making certain reappropriations to the Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the annual reappropriation Bill for the Department of Transportation. It would appropriate $2,258,000,000. I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?" 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Indicates he will." May 12, 1988

"I'm sorry, I didn't hear that figure, Representative."

"$2,258,134,100."

"Could you tell me what...this is a reappropriation?"

"Yes it is."

"Could you...is this money that's sitting in the department right now?"

"Well it takes time to spend out a road project as I'm sure you're aware. You appropriate for a bridge on the Dan Ryan and it may take two years for the planning and the engineering and the actual construction to go. And you do that Statewide and it does add up. These are dollars that have already been appropriated for projects Statewide that are in the process of happening and it's reappropriation."

"This is..is this in other words maybe like the ballots of the road fund?"

"No."

"Is this fund in the State Treasury, is it in the Comptroller's Office or where are these dollars we're reappropriating?"

"These are federal dollars and State dollars. Motor fuel tax dollars and road fund dollars and construction fund account dollars and they are dollars that have been designated for road and highway and every other purpose within the Department of Transportation."

"Well, I...Where are the dollars located right now, is what I'm asking?"

"I can send the department's spokesman over to your desk right away to show you your district."

"No, I'm not talking about the projects, I'm talking about the actual dollars we're reappropriating. Are these real dollars or paper dollars?"

"They're a kind of paper dollars. They're committed." 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Are they real enough so that if we May 12, 1988 wanted to do an interfund transferring or borrowing is there actual money there?"

"Sure."

"Thank you."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, I only want to make the comment that this is over two billion dollars in reappropriations. The only difference, and I'm sure in the definition of one Member that's been talking loud on your side of the aisle, that this is pork. This is pork, but the only difference is it's approved pork. You know, somebody said it's alright and some...there have been some political considerations in those...in that approval. So I again reiterate to Members on this side of the aisle and that side of the aisle that believe me, use your influence. your influence to let the Direct...the Use Department of Transportation know the needs in your area. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't see anybody jumping up and down, nobody on that side of the aisle that jumps up and said this is pork, and it is. So you know, I've been here twenty-two years and I'm sure that many of you will be here longer than I, let me tell you help your district the best way you can."

"Further discussion? close." Representative Mays to

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm sure everybody understands the concept when you appropriate for Fiscal '89 road project and it doesn't happen to be completely done by the end of that fiscal year you gotta reappropriate so...because you don't want to pay the contractors before the job is done. This Bill is the reappropriation Bill, there's been no Committee Amendments or Floor Amendments 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 added to it, these are projects that are already underway and committed and I move for its passage."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3231 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 98 'ayes', 13 'nos', 2 voting 'present', House Bill 3231, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3232, Representative Tate. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3232, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Human Rights Commission. This Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Tate and Mays."

"Representative... Representative Mays withdraws the Amendment. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3232, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Human Rights Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3232 is the ordinary normal contingent...expense of the Human Rights Commission. It's $744,000 a decrease of 1.3... one percent over FY88's budget. I move for its approval."

"Any discussion? Question is, 'Shall House Bill 129  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 3232 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 95 'ayes', 14 'nos', House Bill 3232, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3233. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3233, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense for the Health Care... Health Care Cost Containment Counsel. The Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3233, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense for the Health Care Cost Containment Counsel. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3223 is the... appropriates $2,300,000 to ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Health Care Cost Containment Counsel. This is a 8.7 percent reduction in GRF money from FY88. I move for its approval."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3233 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there's 110 'ayes', 4 'nos', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3233, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3234, Representative 130  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3234, a Bill for an Act making. appropriations to the ordinary and contingent extent...expense of the Historic Preservation Agency. This Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in committee. Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Sieben, Leverenz and Mays."

"Representative Sieben. Withdraw Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #5 restores a three hundred thousand dollar appropriation to the Historic Preservation Agency for the rennovation of the Fitzpatrick house which affects five counties and forty communities in Illinois from Chicago to LaSalle Peru. It was originally appropriated in 1986 for the purchase and rehabilitation and it was in fact purchased on an agreement with the Federal Government to house the I and M Canal Corridor Commission and sixty-five thousand dollars was spent for the acquisition in accordance with the agreement. Another fifteen thousand was spent on engineering and architectural plans and the remainder, instead of being used to rehab, 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 was used for operations of the Historic Preservation Agency. The building is there, deteriorating and being vandalized and until it can be done, we ask that the original three hundred thousand originally presented by Senator Sangmeister and Representative Davis be restored so that the building can be refurbished and house the I and M Canal Corridor Commission."

"Representative Leverenz. The Gentleman's moved for the adoption of Amendment #5 and on that, Representative Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Are you aware the department said if they...how much money is it?"

"Three hundred."

"Are you aware that the department said if they get three hundred thousand more they would use it for something other than this?"

"No, I'm not."

"That I understand is to be the case. I would ask for the rejection of Amendment #5."

"Further discussion? Representative Wennlund to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The original appropriation was back in 1986. The building is deteriorating, it's being vandalized, the building was originally constructed in 1850, the I and M Canal Corridor Hertitage Corridor Commission is waiting to be housed there. Unless this appropriation is restored back to its 1986 level, the building will deteriorate and the people of Illinois will have invested to date eighty thousand dollars, which will be a waste of money. I ask for a 'yes' vote on this Amendment. Thank you." 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"The May 12, 1988 question is, 'Shall Amendment #5 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'nos' have it, the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Sieben and Mays."

"Representative Sieben."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #6 provides for the operation of the Cahokia Mounds Museum and the Bishop Hill Museum for Fiscal Year '89 and I would move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #6. Is there any discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"Would the Gentleman respond to a question?"

"Yes he will."

"How much for each of the museums?"

"The amount breaks down to, for the Bishop Hill Museum, $56,240, for Cahokia Mounds the balance would be 63,994."

"How much for Cahokia?"

"How much for Cahokia? Was 63,994."

"What does the Historic Preservation Agency say about your Amendment?"

"They're in support of this. The facilities have been essentially built. The Bishop Hill facility is due to be completed in May. Cahokia Mounds facility, I believe, is an eight million dollar facility, that should be completed in September of this year and these are funds to provide for the operations of these museums."

"I would just ask that we defeat the Amendment."

"Representative Leverenz, did you rise against that or for it?"

"I just saw the updated version of the analysis and we 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 rise to let you vote your conscience, but I'd be for it."

"Representative Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I believe that what we have here is the continuation of that appropriation measure for both of those museums. The total costs have been expended just as the payment provisions have and I stand in support. I think they're both a continuation of what we've done before. It is less money than is requested, once again, for the Dana House in this same Bill. So therefore, I ask that we be fair on this whole process and pass this Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3234, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Historic Preservation Agency. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the operations budget for the Historic Preservation Agency with the Amendment that was just adopted it will spend roughly 10.578 millions dollars. I move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3234 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 102 'ayes', 10 'nos', 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 3234, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3235, read 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day the Bill, Mr. Clerk." May 12, 1988

"House Bill 3235, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the Office of State Fire Marshall. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3235, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of State Fire Marshall. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you...thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the operations budget for the State Fire Marshall. It is not GRF, it's about seven and a half million dollars. I would move for its passage."

"Any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3235 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 112 'ayes', 1 'no', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3235, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3236. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3236, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the State Labor Relations Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motion...no Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #2 would restore $100,600 in GRF to the State Labor Relations Board's budget. That money was cut from the fiscal 89 budget in committee. It is our intent to offer a subsequent Amendment to the local Labor Relations Board's budget that would reduce that by 113,000, so we could really hi-light the fact that we're wasting money by not consolidating the boards. So I offer this Amendment and I would ask for a Roll Call on this Amendment."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Are there one or two boards now?"

"There are currently two boards. And what we're doing with this specific board is restoring the cuts that were made in committee of $100,600 and as I mentioned, I would be offering an Amendment on the other Bill at a later time to reduce that by 113,000 to make up for this addition."

"Are you trying to merge the two boards?"

"Yes, I am. Time again it's been pointed out that we could probably save considerable dollars just in duplication that's going on right now. With work load the way it is sometime the State Board's lab doesn't have the case load and the local board does and vice a versa and there's just no shifting, no nothing. We need to..I think the two boards ought to be consolidated. This does not touch the Education Labor Relation's Board, it simply is a State Labor Relation's Board budget here and our intent is to 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 amend the Local Labor Relation's Board budget with a cut."

"If you did it, what you're talking about here now, you would have to then change the subs..change some substantive language to merge the boards. Is that correct? I mean, the appointments are made by different people and...which board if we didn't do a substantive change which board would control the appropriation?"

"We don't have to do anything substantive according to my analysis. What House Amendment 2 does here is shift the burden of the current two board system from the backs of the taxpayers to Chicago and Cook County, the two units of local government that we need to try to bring into the State Board."

"Mr. Speaker, the Amendment... I would ask that the House reject Amendment #2. It is not the desire of the Leadership, I understand that the two boards would merge so it would be inappropriate to merge the money and slight one board, even though the Gentleman may have a laudible direction he wants to go, it would be inappropriate at this time. So I ask for your 'no' vote."

"Representative Mays to close."

"I simply offer this as an alternative to the system, we currently have. What we may not wish to correct substantively, we can certainly do so appropriations wise, we would be eliminating the wasteful duplication of two standing boards by affecting this Amendment and I would move for its passage and I would ask for a Roll Call."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 52 'ayes' and 61 'nos', the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?" 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"No further Amendments." May 12, 1988

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3236, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the State Labor Relation's Board. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the appropriations for the State Labor Relation's Board and I would simply move its passage."

"Any discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"Just a note for the record and for Representative Mays that we have to take another look at this. We may be in a posture where we are cutting out about two and a half existing employees so we will take a look at it and correct the hat in the Senate. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3236 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 101 'ayes', 10 'nos' and 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 3236, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3237, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3237, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. This Bill's been read a second time, previously. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments? House Bill 3237, out of the record and we'll proceed to following Bill. House Bill 138  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 3228, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 32..."

"We pulled 3237 from the record. We're on 3238."

"House Bill 3238, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Property Tax Appeal Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz. Amendment #3. Mr. Leverenz."

"The Amendment would add $20,080 to eliminate a reduction I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Any discussion? Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Would the Gentleman yield to a question?"

"He will."

"The...when we were going through the budget on committee you offered the merit comp. decreases and we offered the COLA and step decreases, was this the only budget those decreases were actually adopted on?"

"Would you repeat that?"

"I'll make it easy. I think that this was the only budget that we adopted this Amendment on actually. And in view of the action that has happened on the House floor with the other Amendments that we had proposed, I would suggest to bring the board back to the level of the other agencies. This Amendment should be adopted."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 have it and...'ayes' have it and Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Yeah, Amendment #3 was adopted. Bill's on Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3238, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Property Tax Appeal Board. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the operation's budget for the Property Tax Appeals Board and it will spend approximately $760,000 in GRF. I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3238 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 108 'ayes', 1 'no', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3238, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3237. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3237, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 were adopted in committee."

"This Bill has been read previously, a second time?"

"This Bill's been read a second time previously."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 140  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"Floor Amendment #6 offered by Representative Mays."

"Withdraw Amendment #6."

"Floor Amendment #7 offered by Representative Martinez."

"Representative Martinez Amendment #7."

"Amendment #7 simply amends the Bill to read...by deleting the figure of two million dollars and inserting in lieu there of one million nine hundred and seventy thousand dollars. The sum of thirty thousand will go from the General Revenue Funds to the Department of Energy and Natural Resources."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Amendment. What this would do is transfer dollars from the line for all of the museums statewide that qualify for grants under this line. It is fifty-four museums statewide of which forty-eight percent receive the minimum funding allowed under the guidelines of the statute currently, which is two thousand dollars. By diminishing that amount by accomodating the Gentleman's request I think it would just be unduly penalizing a lot of other museums throughout the whole State. So I reluctantly rise in opposition."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Vote your conscience, I'll support the Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall...I'm sorry, Representative Martinez to close."

"On relation to the...what Representative Mays said all the museums are not in opposition to this. I haven't heard a word of opposition. This is the first time that this organization is going to get funds and from what I understand all the museums are in complete accord."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 (sic #7) be 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments? That was Amendment #7, I'm sorry. Amendment #7 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8 offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment would appropriate a hundred thousand dollars for the Museum of Broadcast. I would vote for..or move for the adoption of Amendment #8."

"Is there any discussion? Being none the question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3237, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much. This is the appropriations Bill for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources, will appropriate prior to the Amendments about twenty-three million nine hundred and eight thousand dollars in GRF and six hundred and forty-eight about seven hundred and seventy...seven hundred and seventy-three million eight hundred thousand dollars in total funds."

"Is there any discussion? Being none the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3237 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take...will take the 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 record. On this Bill there's 102 'ayes', 6 'nos', 4 voting 'present'. House Bill 3237 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3239. Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3239, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and continguent expense for the Office of Public Counsel. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3239, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of Public Counsel. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is the operations budget for the Office of Public Counsel. It's about six hundred thousand dollars in GRF. I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Dunn."

"Question of the Sponsor. What does this Office of Public Counsel do?"

"Representative Mays."

"The a...the Public Counsel intervenes on behalf of you and I and everybody statewide on the...with the Commerce Commission on utility rate hearings."

"Thank you very much."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3239 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the 143  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 record. On this Bill there are 109 'ayes', 1 'no', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3239 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3240. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3240, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Pollution Control Board. Second Reading of the Bill. No...Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Mays."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment would restore roughly eighty-five thousand eight hundred dollars in GRF. The Pollution Control Board's budget, a budget that was reduced by committee action on committee #1 by about a hundred and thirty-six thousand two hundred dollars in General Revenue dollars. I have been told that we had inadvertently eliminated some positions that were actually filled and were actually producing and it is on that basis and several other basis the fact that the board hasn't even had any major hearings since...on State related matters since November, that we offer this Amendment to partially restore the cuts that they incurred. And I would move for its adoption.".

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3240, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense for the Pollution Control Board. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the operations budget for the Pollution Control Board. I appreciate the help of all Members of the General Assembly in trying to get this agency back up and running with the Amendment that was just adopted. We will be spending one million two hundred and eighty-eight thousand dollars one hundred...on this agency which is still below the 1988 levels. I move for its passage."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3240 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there on 107 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3240 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3241, Representative Mays. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3241, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Local Labor Relations Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendment."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3241, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Local Labor Relations Board. Third Reading of the 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. May 12, 1988 This is the appropriations for the Local Labor Relations Board, it would spend a hundred six hundred and fifty thousand General Revenue Fund dollars. I would move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall House Bill 3241 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. This Bill has 107 'ayes', 1 'no', 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 3241 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3242. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3242, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Local Government Law Enforcement Officers Training Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by..."

"Excuse me. Representative Leverenz."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry I didn't have the Motion there. I would move to table Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? The question is 'Shall Amendment #1 be tabled?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Leverenz and Mays."

"Representative Leverenz." May 12, 1988

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This corrects Amendment #1, we just tabled, with an error in the line 3. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentlemen moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. The question is 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3242, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Local Government Law Enforcement Officers Training Board. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the operations budget for the Local Government Law Enforcement Officers Training Board its 8.5...8.419 million dollars. These are non GRF dollars. They are funded through the traffic and criminal conviction surcharge fund. I move for its passage."

"Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is 'Shall House Bill 3242 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, 112 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3242 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3243. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3243, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Liquor Control Commission. Second 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 was withdrawn in committee, #3 lost in committee. Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Number 4 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Mays and Tate."

"Number 5 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3243, a Bill for an Act making appro...making appropriations to the Liquor Control Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much. This is a Liquor Control Commission Operation Budget. It's $1,938,000.00, roughly, dram shop fund monies not General Revenue Fund dollars. I would move for its passage."

"Any discussion? Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for just a quick question?"

"Yeah, he indicates he will."

"Absolutely."

"Thank you, Rep... Representative, can you just very briefly tell me what the Liquor Control Commission controls?"

"Liquor."

"I appreciate your answer, but I have had some problems in my district on tax stamps and a few other things and we 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 don't seem to get any control on those kinds of issues. Is that what they're supposed to do?"

"I think...I think that what we need to do is set up a meeting with you and the director. He meets with anybody that has problems and he tries to address them in an appropriate manner. And we can help in that regard."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Being none, the question is 'Shall House Bill 3243 pass?" All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. This Bill has 104 'ayes', 3 'nos', 3 voting 'present'. House Bill 3243 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3244. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3244, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Office of Lieutenant Governor. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #2 restores a little bit of money to Lieutenant Governor George Ryan. The staff made a little error and I know George would be happy that we all restore about thirty some thousand dollars in his appropriation and I ask for your support."

"Any discussion? Being none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', 149  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3244, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of the Lieutenant Governor. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is Lieutenant Governor's Budget. It appropriates $2,269,000.00. And I would move for its passage."

"Any discussion? Being none. The question is 'Shall House Bill 3244 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 108 'ayes', 2 'nos', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3244 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3280. Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3280, a Bill for an Act making appropriations of the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in committee. Amendment #3 was withdrawn in committee. Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #4 is that technical...a technical correction, so I move its adoption." 150  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #4, is there any discussion? Being none, the question is 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative

Curran. Speaker McPike: "Representative Curran. Amendment #5. Representative Curran. Amendment #5. Turn on Curran."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #5 simply directs...it doesn't ask for any new money. It directs that we spend 1.5 million dollars on WECEP and $500,000.00, I believe on early dropout programs. It takes money from the vocational programs and...while it doesn't change the total allocation, it specifically directs the money should be spend on these particular items."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Amendment #5."

"The question is 'Shall Amendment #5 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #6 is the last installment of a...loan that we provided to Warren Township High School in Gurnee, Illinois. They had a fire that was very extensive and they had to relocate students from that high school to Lake Forest High School. The Warren Township High School is current in paying every obligation that it has outstanding 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 to the State of Illinois to the debts..to the loans that we have given it...to it. And I would ask the Members of the House to join me and a few Members on your side of the aisle who have an interest in this too, in support of Amendment #6."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye',... Representative Frederick."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On my side of the aisle I would really appreciate your support. Warren Township High School has had a terrible time. They finally climbed out of it with loans that we've been able to provide. So I ask you to vote 'yes' on this Amendment."

"The question is 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Floor Amendment #7 provides no net change in the State Board of Education's FY89 level of operations that was provided in Amendment #1. It does make some adjustments and I was asked to offer this in behalf of the State Board of Education and our good friend Dave Cary and Bob Laniger. And I would urge the Membership to support this Amendment. Thank you."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is 'Shall Amendment #7 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representative Ropp." 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, May 12, 1988 Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #8 is for $10,000.00 that goes for Home Economics Students Peer Planning Groups that deals with family and nutritional education. And it is a...monies that had been received through the Nutritional Council sometime ago, but that is no longer in existence and I welcome your support."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"How much is this?"

"$10,000.00."

"Is there any money in the budget now for this?"

"No."

"None whatsoever?"

"No, this is what the Amendment is for."

"Well...I...you could be adding to a line item. Why is there no money in the current budget for this?"

"Well, just because it has not been funded in the past."

"Why start now?"

"In this manner. In this manner. It was funded under the Nutrition Council."

"And why are they not funding it now?"

"Because the Nutrition Council is no longer in existence."

"Maybe it was put out of business for a good reason."

"But this was not that reason."

"Then we shouldn't have this Amendment either, I would encourage a 'no' vote."

"Representative McCracken."

"I move the previous question."

"Thank you. The question is 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'nos' have it. The Amendment is defeated. Further 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Amendments?" May 12, 1988

"Floor Amendment #9, offered by Representative Satterthwaite."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment has no change in the bottom line. It rearranges some of the money going into the reform package so that we would be expanding, slightly, the amounts of money available for summer school remediation for teacher shortage scholarships and making additional money available for the K through 6 reading programs. We do that by adjusting the amounts of money that were put in in Amendment #1, but we still have increases in funding for the preschool and increases in funding for parental travel. And I would move for its...move the adoption of Amendment #9."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Amendment #9. What the Representative here does is correct an error in the committee that certainly...that the other side of the aisle offered an Amendment...that certainly gave partiality in the distribution of the categorical funding in the State. Certainly we believe that...that each and every child in the State should be given equal opportunities in education. But funding that favors one...one Chicago Public School District over the rest of the State certainly is something that this side of the aisle or any side of the aisle, for that matter, all should give equal...equal treatment to. Therefore, this Amendment is a good Amendment. I would encourage the Members on this side to support this Amendment, but I would just...I would just add...remind all the Members that my only problem with this Amendment is as 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 introduced it just doesn't go quite far enough in the level of funding that we have made to the commitment of those categoricals in this State."

"Representative McGann."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"She will."

"Representative Satterthwaite, does this Amendment take any monies away that this Legislature has previously committed to either private schools or parochial schools in their funding?"

"No, it really doesn't Andy. The current appropriation level for the parental travel line item, which goes partially to public school students, parents and partly to private. This year is 4.5 million and this Amendment increase it to 11.5."

"So we're not taking any dollars away from a previous commitment?"

"The earlier Amendment that was adopted in committee would have gone to 15 million, but what I am saying is that this Amendment still gives two and a half times the current level for that program."

"Because as you well know that last year dollars were cut from parochial transportation and the State Government sent out cards to the parents telling them it was because this Legislature had cut at their funding is the reason that they were being cut. And this has nothing to do with that attempt..."

"As I say, last year, or the current years appropriation is about four and half million dollars. In this Amendment it goes to 11.5."

"Thank you very much."

"A substantial increase."

"Thank you, Representative." 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"The question is 'Shall Amendment #9 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no.' The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amend...Floor Amendment #10, offered by Representative Tate, Mays and Hoffman."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #10 provides for an overall increase in funding for primary and secondary education of 150,000,000 over the FY88 levels. Seventy-five million would be added to General State Aid, $75,000,000 would be distributed between the mandated categoricals or the categoricals reform programs. This $150,000,000 can also be achieved without a tax increase. The plan gives education $15,000,000.00 more than the current Democratic proposal that...that has been already approved and distributed. This is a much more equitable plan for the entire State. A plan that gives almost...well, gives certainly the vast majority of Members in this Body here, more money for education in their Legislative Districts. In addition to the $75,000,000 for GSA, another $75,000,000 is distributed as follows: In the mandated categoricals, $170,000,000.00 or a $40,000,000.00 increase; other categoricals, $87,000,000.00 or a $15,000,000.00 increase, including vocational education, adult education, and textbook reimbursement; reform programs will be $111,000,000.00 or a $17,000,000.00 increase; and all programs would be increased by at least the FY87 levels, since all we're cutting is FY88. The Math and Science Academy would also be funded at 8.7 million dollars level. The Democratic plan would give an additional $23,000,000.00 for two reform packages, which would give the Chicago Public School District forty-four percent of that funding. Essentially, 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 in preschool education and a transportation reimbursement for private schools. The Republican, plan as submitted here, in this Body, supports an increase for preschool education, but it also gives additional funds to all of the other reform packages that were part of the 85 package. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen of this chamber, yesterday when Secretary of Education Ed Bennett was here to testify, many of the Members discussed the issue of reform...the reform package of 85. Many of the Members in this Body have talked about the need for improving the quality of education in this State and putting our money where our mouth is. We talk about mandates in this state and we talk about not funding mandates in this State. What this Republican program does here, is it funds the mandated programs, it funds the reform package of 1985, it treats the vast majority of districts in this State equally and treats us all in a responsible fashion. I move for the adoption of this Amendment."

"And on that, the Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative, why didn't you put all the money in a general State aid formula? That's where the money is needed around the State, as far as I can see. Not dropping the total amount...you start with 150 million, that's really...really not much money and then you cut away at that putting into other areas when the...the people in my district and all downstate, as well as Chicago, need the money in a general State aid formula, not in the categoricals and those areas."

"Representative Brunsvold, this...this Amendment 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day will...will provide $154,000 May 12, 1988 more dollars for your Legislative District than the current proposal that's on the table facing you today. What...what you and I both have voted for in the 1985 reform package were different categoricals that pulled all local schools districts that...that they have to do this and they have to do that. What we basically do with this program, is we support in a methodical fashion, we try to distribute the funds in the categoricals on a much more equitable basis. I agree, that I certainly wish I could stand here today and say that I wish we had a 150, I wish we had 300, I wish we had $500,000,000.00 more to spend on general State aid in this State, but the fact of the matter is we have limited resources. We have a responsibility to be accountable to the people back home and to provide the funding in the categoricals that we have mandated in this State. And what we do in this Amendment is lay it out and provide more funding. Now, I'm asking you to look at your own Legislative District and look at $185,000 more dollars for your Legislative District and it's a good deal for your district."

"We're not... Representative, we're not going to fund the reform package with the money we have at present. My district needs the money in a general State aid formula. We're not going to solve the problems in all the other areas when we have only a small amount of money to work with. My district would benefit and most districts in this State would benefit with just general State aid money. And I think that's where we ought to put all the money, in a general State aid formula. That's what going to do the best and do the most back home in my district and probably everybody's district on this floor is going to benefit from that general State aid formula. That's what it was made 158  103rd Legislative Day for." STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988

"Well..., Representative Brunsvold, I...I'm a downstater too. And my...our analysis simply says that if you want to slice up the educational dollar in this State, the Amendment...the current Bill as it stands right now it...versus this Amendment, this Amendment provides a hundred fifty-four thousand new dollars more money for your Legislative District. That's simple, I think you get a better deal. All I can do is tell you that if you want to send out a press release, you can send out a press release that says you spent a hundred fifty-four thousand more dollars on the Legislative District and it's a good deal for you. Now, if you want to vote against your own district and you want to say it should be in a different way, I've never seen a local school district that's come to me and written me and said give me less money. Give me less money here and more money there."

"To the Amendment."

"Representative Breslin, in the Chair."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"To the Amendment, Madam Speaker, I would rather see the money go in, since there's such a small amount of it, into the general State aid formula. That's what going to do the best for most of the districts in this State. And that's where the districts are hurting right now, in the general state aid formula. Not...not in the other areas, not that they couldn't use money, yes they could. But the general State aid formula is where we need to put the most amount of money, as much money as we can come up with. And I'm not going to support this Amendment, because I think we ought to put more in the general State aid formula. Thank you, Madam Speaker."

"The Lady from Sangamon, Representative Hasara." 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand in support of Amendment #10. I obviously come from a downstate district. Under this Amendment my district stands to gain almost Six hundred thousand dollars. So I...I ask for your 'yes' vote. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Representative Tate, the Speaker put out a press release last week saying that the Democrat were trying to cut two hundred million dollars from the governor's budget and to put it in education. It's my understanding that the...the total amount that you want to put into education is two hundred and forty million Is that correct? Two hundred and forty-five. My question is, where are you going to get the other forty-five million? I think this side of the aisle would be glad to go along with any plans you had to come up with another forty-five million or another hundred million or another two hundred million. There's no question that education needs more money. We're just kind of curious where you came up with this figure? You pulled it out of the air and this is a silly Amendment, it means nothing. Everybody knows that you can appropriate as much as you want, but if you don't the money you can't spend it. If you can give us some idea where you found the forty-five million dollars in the last couple days, we might support you. Could you tell us?"

"Representative Tate."

"Representative McPike, if you'll look closely at this Amendment, this Amendment is a two hundred and two million increase. If you will look at that Amendment currently we have that in the budget without a tax increase. Now we're 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 not playing a shell game or smoking mirrors with money here. We have a plan that simply says we in the State believe that we can spend this much money on education. Now we're ...we're sitting...we've been ready and willing to work with your side of the aisle on a variety of different proposals that we have sat today and debated and been defeated in measures that would cut additional agencies that would provide additional funding for education..."

"I...I don't disagree with anything you're saying. And all I'm saying is where are you going to find the forty-five million dollars? Maybe you give us some idea?"

"It's not forty-five million dollars."

"Well, it's two hundred and forty-five million."

"According to my math, it's two hundred and two million dollars."

"Well, Representative Tate, we have provided...we have provided approximately a hundred forty million for K through 12 and sixty million for Higher Ed. Now this is not the Higher Ed's budget. So if we presume that you're going..."

"Or...or this isn't Higher Ed's budget. This is elementary and secondary."

"Thank you for repeating what I just said. This is not the Higher Ed's budget."

"Right."

"We are...we have allocated sixty million for Higher Ed. Now if we presume that you're going to allow sixty million for Higher Ed or some amount more, we allocated 140 million for K through 12. And your allocating 185 million for K through 12. Now to us, that's forty-five million dollars more. Once again, if you will just give us some idea where the forty-five million is coming from, you might have some 161  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 support. But it's silly to vote on smoking mirrors or shell games or anything else. If this is a silly Amendment and you haven't the faintest idea where the money is coming from. Then say so."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Rep...excuse me."

"Why won't he answer the question?"

"No...no, Madam, may I respond to that?"

"Surely."

"Yes."

"I resent the fact that Representative McPike will call educating the kids in this State a silly Amendment."

"Oh God, Oh God."

"The fact of the matter is we're talking about something that we should be spending the next three months talking about, right here. You know and I know we both care about kids in this State..."

"Would you answer the question?"

"I have already told you that this side is ready and willing to stand..."

"Well, answer the question. Just answer the question."

"What ever hours it's necessary it takes. We've offered Amendment after Amendment..."

"Just tell us where the moneys coming from. That's simple enough."

"...to cut these budgets in this State and we'll...we'll get the Amendments that we offered today. The total of those Amendments...if we...if you would accept the Amendments that we would have would represent an easy fifty to sixty million. We're not talking about the forty-seven million right now, I'm...saying, we're ready to make that commitment to the kids in this State. If you want to tell your side of the aisle that, hey, we accept this educational budget, we accept that we don't have any money 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 for kids in this State, then go home and let them go back and tell the school districts in this State that this is all we've got for you. This is all we've got right here. We can't find anymore money. You know, Mr. Mc Pike, that there's half the budget over there in the Senate right now and half of it's over here right now. You know as well as I do that we've got plenty of time to find that money. Now if you disagree with the cuts that we've suggested today, the cuts that we'll suggest tomorrow, then next week, then that's fine. You tell me, all I'm saying to you, Sir, is that we're ready to make those cuts, we're ready to find that money, we're ready to stand here do whatever's necessary to take to find...to offer Amendments to find extra money and we're ready to work."

"Madam Speaker, to the Amendment."

"Proceed."

"I think the previous speaker really responded by saying 'I don't know'. If he doesn't know where the money is coming from, that's a nice long speech, it doesn't mean anything, but the fact is he doesn't know where the money is coming. Now earlier they did offer some Amendments to try to obrograte AFSCME's contract. The Governor of the State negotiated a contract with AFSCME three years ago, this is the third year of the contract, and got their endorsement by so doing, and they sponsored the Bills today for the Department of Corrections to honor AFSCME'S contract they withdrew the Amendments. They offered one Amendment today, one Amendment only, to abrogate AFSCME's contract in the Department of Insurance, all the other Amendments were withdrawn, every single one was withdrawn. The Governor's already stated and every lawyer in the State can tell you that their going to honor the contract, because it's legally binding contract. Now they come here 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 and say now we've got some more money. Everybody knows they don't have the money. If they have the money all they have to do is say here's where the money is coming from. If you can find some more money, we'll be glad to put it in mental health, children and family services and education and every other place that is needed in this State. The truth is that, that side of the aisle is having just as difficult time as our side of the aisle coming up with additional money. And I think if we find two hundred million dollars we've done a good job. But to add more and more money to any kind of Amendment just to make a political statement is just fooling everybody and certainly not ourselves. You're not fooling yourself, Mr. Tate, you're not fooling us and I doubt if you're fooling anybody in the State. Based on that I intend to vote 'no'."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing."

"Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We know that the estimates for revenue in this State have been increased by our own economic and fiscal commission. We know that things right now are doing better, our revenue is up, and we say that education is a priority. By adopting this Amendment, we say that's where we want to put some of that money. We are willing to offer Amendments to cut other places in the budget. We have offered some, we will offer more. But Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, let's take the new money that we know is coming in and let's earmark it now for education. We all go back home and say to our school people that education is the number one priority. A 'yes' vote on this Amendment shows that you're willing to put your vote where your mouth is back home. Yes, there will be money for education. Yes, we will not go home without putting this amount or more in education in 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Illinois, with or without a tax increase, May 12, 1988 and the money will be there. Vote 'yes' on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman Matijevich." from Lake, Representative

"Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I had an eighth grade class from my hometown was here today, and they know that I've supported education for all of the time that I've been here. I really can't blame the Republican side of the aisle for coming up with this Amendment. I can't blame you. Because you're trying to tell the people in the State of Illinois... you know the last time we had a Democratic Governor, we were at forty-nine percent, forty-nine percent of the State funding of education. We almost reached the fifty percent level. So I can't blame you, because I'm sure that it was very embarrassing to you, as a political party, that we went all the way down under your Governor, Governor Thompson, to thirty-two percent. That is very embarrassing to you. So, therefore, you come up with this Amendment to try to make it look to the people of the State of Illinois that all of a sudden, by the way I should say that we made a little jump because Governor Thompson was running for reelection the last time he ran so we've made a big spurt in that state funding where I guess now we're up to thirty-six percent, so you present this Amendment to make it look like you have been very responsive and responsive to education. You say to your people in the State of Illinois, now we're going to play a little shell game. Don't you remember last week, last week we had a Supplemental Bill. And what did your Governor say to us Democrats, your Governor said to us Democrats that we are playing a shell game, all of us really, because everybody voted for that Supplemental Bill. We are spending money he said that we don't have. I don't 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 care if it's for education, Medicaid or whatever. If it is true that we're spending money we don't have we're really pulling the wool over the eyes yes. And who are we pulling the wool over the eyes of? We are doing it to children, we are doing it to school children. We would like to spend more money for education, we would do it a lot quicker than you would, because you never have before. And you won't ever again. Who takes the lead in education in Illinois? Who is always taking the lead in buying pencils and book pads for kids? Not your party, Representative Stephenson. Out party has and...and always will. But if...but if, Stephens I'm sorry, and really I'm addressing Representative Tate more than anything...anybody. Because the fact of the matter is that we are the ones who are going to be responsive. We are not going to spend money we don't have. We have pared down the budget so that we can provide more of money for the kids and what we can afford. Everyone jumps on that side of the aisle and said be responsive, be responsive, and I don't care if it's education or what the needs are, you don't tell us that you're going to spend money you don't have. McPike, time after time asked Representative Tate where's the money coming from and I'm telling the kids in my district that are here. There right here and they're still in town and they believe me. My kids believe me. And they don't think I'm going to be a phony like Representative Tate. They know. I never use another man's word in the debate. But I don't like a phony and my kids...my school kids don't like a phony. If the money's there they're going to get it and they're going to get it a lot faster from me than Representative Tate. Believe me, every kid in this State, I'm with you for education. Don't believe that phony." 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Representative Tate is recognized on a point of personal privilege."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. If this...I guess it's unfortunate that this debate is going to a digress into one of personalities. Because what we're really talking about here is kids and where our priorities are in this State. But I guess...I guess what the previous speakers have...have indicated is that...that they don't believe that this side of the aisle...that a Republican program over here can find forty-seven million dollars in additional cuts. Now, we can set down today, tomorrow and the next day and offer Amendments after Amendments after Amendments after Amendments that would establish priorities in spending in the State and make additional cuts and we all know in this process that...that you have to have 60 votes to pass that. But a Representative that would call me a phony that has 67 votes on his side of the aisle, that's passed budget after budget after budget for education and for kids in this State, and your 67 votes have approved that, your 67 votes have established the priorities in this State. And what we're here saying is hey, I'm going to send a budget to this Governor that gives more money to kids in this State, that distributes money more equitably in this State, that finances the mandates that we placed on our local school districts, then I think that's a damn good budget."

"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House it's pretty hard to speak against an Amendment that puts more money into education. And obviously all of us would like to see more money going into education. I would simply remind the Members that if this Amendment is adopted it 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 negates the one that we just adopted that puts substantial amounts of money into the reform package. Not as much as this program would do, but under our program we are putting more into the distributive aid formula. And so I suspect that this is not the final form of the Bill before it becomes law, but at this point it really seems like we're going out on a limb if we have no guarantee that there will be additional revenue for the State. And I would hate to get false hopes going within our school districts to have them assume that they were going to get money that would be vetoed out again if it got to the Governor's desk and the money wasn't there. And SO I would suggest that even though it's tempting to support this Amendment, in fact it may not be responsible to do so."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I stand in somewhat a concern about this Amendment. The real concern is that it probably isn't enough, but it's a start. Knowing that this is just part of the process, we still have a month and a half to go, but it is an attempt to deal with a very serious situation. We've talked about education being our number one priority. Ladies and Gentlemen, let's start to deal with that. Your side of the aisle has taken all the credit for assisting in being the leader in education. Let me say that you also have taken the lead in providing for all the added social programs that this State has ever had. And certainly we ought to begin to see a better return for our investment in education. So that we don't continue to have to pay more and more dollars into the welfare program of this State of Illinois. Education should begin to pay off. And I'm saying we ought to put more money into that so that we can 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 see fewer and fewer dollars going into a program that is turn...returning no tax dollars into the State. Those costly programs are too expensive and yet you have been the one that have expanded those programs all these many years. So I say this is a start, I'm sure it's not going to be the end, but we ought to place a higher priority and even considering increasing these amount of money to elementary secondary education, as well as Higher Ed, because this is where the real beginning is in the elementary level."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kubik. Representative Kubik."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The main question is put. Representative Tate to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment %2310 provides more funding for education in 81 of the Legislative Districts that are represented in this Body today. Now, if you believe that the 1985 reform package meant anything to the teachers and school boards and the kids in this State. Then I suggest that you put an 'aye' vote, a green vote up. If you believe that...that funds in this State, educational funding in this State should be equally distributed then I would suggest to you that this plan is better than the current plan that we have. Now, we can talk about political rhetoric and we can send press releases out about waste in government and unnecessary spending in government. And I've spent the last year listening to the other side of the aisle talking about airplanes for Director or...or different unnecessary spending for this agency and that agency. The fact of the 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 matter is, the Illinois General Assembly passes the budget and sends the budget to the Governor's desk and if you believe that kids are a priority and if you believe that funding is a prior...funding for education is a priority in this State, and you believe that what you want to do is send the right message back home to the people in this State, that we're ready to get serious about education in this State. We're not just going to talk a good game. We're ready to find the money in the budget today. This is...this is May folks, this isn't June 30th, this is May, we have a lot of time to work. And what you're saying to me, I guess, if you don't support this Amendment, because we have not approved forty-seven million dollars in cuts on this side of the aisle or on this side of the budget or since we only have fifty percent of the budget left. That previous speaker that said that knows that right now the Senate is two hundred million dollars over their appropriation level than the spending levels that we're agreed in right now. So folks we might as well just go home and not give anybody any more money if you don't think that we have some work left to do. And what I'm suggesting to you, is let's all sit down and roll up our sleeves, let's all sit down and get down to work, let's all find we talked a good game back home about kids and about education and about where our priorities are. Let's get down and send a message and the right message back home and let's put some green votes up on this. And Madam Speaker, this may be the most important Roll Call that we'll have in this Legislative Session today and I would like to have the people of this State to have a recorded Roll Call on that. Thank you."

"The question is 'Shall Amendment #10 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed 170  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Currie, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House. If quality education, if reformed education is your goal the right vote on this Amendment is a 'no'. This Amendment takes out eight million dollars that were adopted in Amendment #9 for Early Childhood Programs. It cuts money for alternative services to potential dropouts. Anyone who listened to Secretary of Education Bennett yesterday understands the importance of spending of money wisely in our school programs. Wisely and well. Early Childhood Programs, programs that will stem the dropout tide, that's the way we should spend our dollars. And this Amendment, never mind its fiscal irresponsible, takes money out of those two vital reform programs of 1985. It's irresponsibility, not only fiscally but it's irresponsible for quality school programs to vote for this Amendment to House Bill 3280."

"Representative Daniels, one minute to explain your vote."

"Well let me give you an idea about some of these items that we're talking about break down by district. So that those of you in downstate districts that are concerned about how we finance education in the State that respond to the question of the school aid formula difficulties that it has caused in many quality education areas. That want to respond with a higher quality of education right here in Springfield, District 99, Representative Curran, will benefit a minimum of four hundred and eight thousand dollars more for his school system in Springfield by this Amendment. Representative Hannig, one hundred and fifty-nine thousand Representative Novak, four hundred eleven thousand. Representative Granberg, three hundred 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 and ten thousand. Representative Phelps, seven hundred and sixteen thousand. Representative O'Connell, three hundred and thirty-six thousand. The list goes on. Representative Wolf, Rea, Phelps, you ought to all look at this carefully..."

"Bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"You ought to look at it carefully, because it impacts so positively for your district. So positive for the children, so positive for quality education. You ought to be on this Roll Call. It's an important one to your kids."

"Representative McGann, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. For many years we try to give a fair share to those taxpayers that use the parochial and private school system. Finally, Governor Thompson took the Leadership along with the Leadership of the House and the Senate and provided in the 1985 Tax Reform Act, pardon me...excuse me, the Educational Reform Act, to provide some help for parochial and private...and the busing transportation costs. To help these taxpayers in the State of Illinois. What this Amendment does it takes practically all of these dollars out of it, wipes them away, that we have assured that were in part of this Bill. I ask you to please vote 'no' on this Amendment #10."

"Representative..."

"A commitment is made, a commitment should be kept. Governor Thompson, I'm sure would..."

"Representative Hallock, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House. You know I find it very ironic that all afternoon today we've been debating budgets. And many of those budgets, as we all know, have had many Democratic add ons. But when it 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 comes to the heart of government, our main purpose of being here in Springfield, and that is education. You stop short. Let's look at the facts. Every district in the State of Illinois, practically, except for Chicago, benefits from this Bill. Look at your own districts, it's very clear, if you look at the facts, they speak for themselves. This is a good Bill for almost all of us, you ought to be voting 'yes'. And stop and think, this is the heart of government. All of us are convinced that we have to do more for education. What's supposed to be the primary source of educational funding statewide. This is our chance to do that. Vote 'yes' on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman. One minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I respect the Minority Leader's ability to analyze many things that come before us. But the laundry list that he recited, the amount of money that all these districts were going to get rested on a critical assumption, which is absolutely false. The assumption is that the...number one that the Governor will sign all these Bills exactly as we send it to him and number two that the money is in fact there. The point is, that the money isn't there and so he's going to veto the money, just like he did last year. So I think that this laundry list that has been recited is a pipe dream. It is a mirage. It is a shimmer. That money will never materialize. Because the money is not there. Because the Republicans did not take a comparable amount of monies from some place else in the budget to finance this particular Amendment. You'll never see the money. So if you're voting for the...if you're..."

"Representative. Were you finished Sir? Representative Mays, one minute to explain your vote." 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen. I appreciate the moments of fiscal responsibility that have been raised by the people on the other side of the aisle. I know some of them are sincere. I want to tell you that this Amendment does add some dollars to the budget. It also shifts around some dollars within that budget, so that it is more beneficial to a number of districts in this State then just the one major one. It is our position, that we annunciated in committee on all Bills and on the first Bill that was presented here and defeated overwhelmingly by Roll Call, that we should be cutting bureaucracy through personal services cuts, SO we can accommodate these things. If indeed the minimal dollars that we're adding aren't sufficient right now, maybe we tried to get it and you didn't allow it to happen. Now we don't need to malign Members because we have..."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"Well I simply am shocked by the malignment of some Members on this side of the aisle by Members of the other...in a subterfuge to get away from what the issue in this particular debate. And it's unfortunate that it happened and I would hope that that doesn't happen again. But we are shifting dollars, as well as adding dollars and we were there to provide the dollars, to fund it, it total..."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Stephens. One minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think we ought to pause for a moment here and recognize the fact that we are very early in the process. I have maintained all spring that we have a spending problem in Illinois. I came down here three and a half years ago, the budget was eighteen billion, now it's over twenty-two billion. We are raising and spending more and more money every year. It is time 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day now to start May 12, 1988 to develop the process of changing our spending priorities. And each of you who are standing in opposition of this Bill have gone back to your districts, I'm sure, and said that education was one of your top priorities. We're not...we're not at June 30th, this isn't the final call. The budget isn't closed. This is part of is a process. Join us please and say that education is, indeed, is a top priority. We'll work this out. We'll find more money. We're willing to cut the Department of Conservation's budget. Are you willing to cut the Department of Public Aid's budget? Let's work together. But let's make sure that we share the commitment. That we all give so much..."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 60...62 voting 'aye', 51 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. And the Amendment is adopted. Representative...are there any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Floor Amendment #11, offered by Representative Tate and Mays."

"Representative Tate."

"Madam...Madam Speaker I would ask leave to withdrawn the rest of the Amendments."

"Withdraw #11. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #12."

"The Gentleman withdraws...withdraws 12 through 18...through 18. Are there any further Amendments after Amendment #18?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The next Bill is House Bill 3281. Representative Steczo. Excuse me, Representative 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Matijevich. Did you wish to...okay, let's go on then to 3281. We can come back to it. Representative Steczo. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3281, a Bill for an Act making appropriations in the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 14 appears House Bill 3282. Representative Didrickson. Clerk, read the Bill. The Clerk has found an Amendment on House Bill 3281. Read 3281 again Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3281, this Bills been read a second time previously, Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Stange."

"The Gentleman withdraws the Amendment. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 14 appears House Bill 3282, Representative Didrickson. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3282, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for...from the Common School Fund to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Representative Didrickson. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No Motions. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Bowman?" 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"Representative Bowman, right."

"Representative Bowman." May 12, 1988

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is purely technical in nature. There was an error in drafting the Amendment that was adopted in committee. So if this Amendment is adopted, your staff analyses as to what the first Amendment did, will be correct. I move for adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 3282. On that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3318, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Office of State Appellate Defender. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I have the Amendment coming, one moment."

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a restoration due to a clerical error in the amount of a hundred and sixty some thousand I guess a hundred and eighty-nine thousand seven hundred dollars. I move the adoption of Amendment #1." 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #2. On that question, the Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays."

"Yes, Madam Speaker. Could the Gentleman pull this out of the record for a moment? We don't seem to have a copy of this Amendment in our file."

"Out of the record. With leave of the Body, I'll go back to page 13 on the Calendar. House Bill 3280, Representative Matijevich. The Bill is on Third Reading."

"Yes, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentleman of the House. This is the appropriation Bill for the State Board of Education, as introduced it was one billion, four hundred and eighty-seven thousand, (sic. million) seventy-one thousand, eight hundred. It came out of committee one million, (sic. billion) three hundred twenty-three million, five hundred eighty-eight thousand, two hundred. And then we have made those adjustments that we have just heard by Amendment. I would ask the Members of the House to vote favorably on the Bill for the State Board of Education."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3280, a Bill for an Act making appropriations of the State Board of Education. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The question is 'Shall House Bill 3280 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no.' Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 111 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3281. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "House Bill 3281, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Education. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House. House Bill 3281 is the appropriation for general State aid payments. The amount in the Bill is approximately 1.877 billion dollars. It represents about a hundred million dollar increase over last year and I would encourage a favorable vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3281. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. Dunn: The question is 'Shall House Bill 3281 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no.' Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Dunn, for what reason do you seek recognition? One minute to explain your vote." "Just to commend the Sponsor for this Bill, and to, for the record, state that this level of support for education in the State of Illinois is shameful. It should be a whole lot more money put into the education budget and we'll wake up and face up to our responsibility. apparently not going to do it yet." someday

But we're Speaker Breslin: "Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3282, Representative Didrickson. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill..."

"Out of the record. Excuse me. Out of the record. House Bill 3318, on Second Reading. Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill on Second." 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Office of State Appellate Defender. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich. This is the same Amendment you just presented to a..."

"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we took it out of the rec...we did take it out of the record for Representative Mays. I did explain the Amendment and I offer and I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Leve... Leverenz asked immediate consideration of House Bill 3318. Any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. Representative Black."

"May I just inquire? Is the board 3318, is that the teacher correct?" retirement...my records indicate that's not

"According to the Calendar, it's the State Appellate Defender, 3318."

"On the board we're showing teacher retirement."

"Thank you very much."

"Thank you."

"Representative...okay. The Gentleman has moved 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day for immediate consideration of House Bill 3318. objection. Clerk." May 12, 1988 Hearing no The Bill is on Third. Read the Bill, Mr.

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of State Appellate Defender. Third Reading of the Bill."

Speaker Breslin: "Representative Leverenz. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Representative The Bill would provide four million nine hundred and fifty-two thousand dollars for the OCE for this office. With the Amendment we just adopted, I would ask for your 'aye' vote to pass the Bill."

"Unfortunately, Representative Leverenz, thank you for making that Motion, but we are in the process of changing paper here for the Roll Call, so..."

"Would that be a small roll coming off the little thing that's perforated?"

"Yeah, I think so. A tractor feet...but it is, needs to be changed so..."

"I don't have one that has a tractor feet."

"I would ask you to take this Bill out of the record. We'll do some Second Readings and then get back to you. Leverenz: Thank you." "I will do just that."

"On page 14 appears House Bill 3403, Representative McCracken. Clerk, read the Bill." 3403, a Bill for an Act making

"House Bill appropriations to the Secretary of State. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"A Motion to table Amendment #4, offered by 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I'd move that we table Amendment #4."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #4. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #4 by tabled?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it. Amend...Amendment #4 is tabled. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This would replace the Amendment we just tabled. It's an identical Amendment with the technical error corrected. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #5. Any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #5 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment #5 is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #6, again, is a restoration of the cuts that were made to a Constitutional Officer that I think were too deep and I believe everybody agrees with me. I believe the Sponsor, Tom McCracken, agrees with me. I know Kim was walking up and down the aisle in the Secretary of State's Office, she agrees with me. And I know you do to and I move the adoption." 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #6 to House Bill 3403. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #3 be...Amendment #6 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #6 is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 15 appears House Bill 3463. Are there any Motions or Amendments on that, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 34..."

"3463. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"I thought we were on a immediate consideration mode?"

"We have decided not to do that, because we're waiting for the paper to be changed for the Roll Call."

"Oh, alright."

"On page 15 appears House Bill 3463. Any Motions or Amendments?"

"House Bill 3463, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Court of Claims. This Bill has been read a second time, previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by..."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is the Awards Bill for the Court of Claims that has a total of a hundred and forty thousand five five nine. The rest of the Bill was stripped, because it was in supplemental. It contains eighty-five thousand dollars in general revenue. These are all approved and signed off awards. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #1 to 3463." 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

"The Gentleman moves for the Amendment #1. Any discussion? Hearing none. is 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is adopted. Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 15 appears 3511. Speaker Madigan, Representative Leverenz. read the Bill."

"House Bill 3511, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Office of State Treasurer. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment... Committee Amendment #2, lost 2 and 3 in committee. Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Mays."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We offered this Amendment in committee, but we felt it was worth another shot on the floor. Treasurer's Office has a fund for the messages tax and we have historically over appropriated in that fund. I we are about four million or five million over the last year a...considerable amount over the previous year to that. And they're requesting a pretty good sizeable appropriation in the budget for this purpose this year. What it amounts...you know this Amendment would reduce roughly 4.2 million in GRF from their request would bring it in line with the 88 estimate for their expenditures in May 12, 1988 adoption of The question in favor say the Chair, the Any further House Bill Clerk, 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 this manner. And it's a...large...sizeable piece of pocket change that we could be putting toward education. And I would move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 3511. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Sponsor yield? Is that general revenue?"

"Yes it is general revenue."

"Five million dollar reduction."

"It's a 4.2 million dollar reduction in GRF for the Treasurer's Budget."

"Okay, a 4.2 reduction..."

"In the Treasurer's Office on the messages tax protest fund. It's accurred interest line for the messages tax."

"In the accurred interest line? If we do that, where does the money actually stay or go?"

"The money will be deobligated from what I understand and we could spend it for other purposes, such as many of the things that we have talked about on the floor tonight."

"This afternoon?"

"Pardon."

"This afternoon? We're not in tonight yet, hopefully."

"That's right. Last year, I might add..."

"If we...if we left...if we take the money out, can we end up in any situation like what we had with income tax refunds and get criticized, because the money isn't there?"

"If we lose the messages tax case, Representative, what we have set aside for the refund wouldn't mean a hill of beans. This would deobligate that...those dollars."

"Where would you like to take the money?"

"Alright, I would like to spend it on several other things we talked about most recently. But anyway, I would like to point out that these were reduced in prior years. One was 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 by Amendment of yours in fiscal 87, to the tune of about...or fiscal 88 to the tune of a million and a half dollars on the refunds portion and Senator Carroll took another three million down in Amendment...in a previous year too."

"Alright, this is five million."

"This is 4.2 million."

"Why don't we just leave it lay there."

7 Mays: "I think we ought to decommit it right now. So that we could recommit it at some later date."

"But, the Governor doesn't uncommit all the funds that squirreled away in little accounts here and there like the Foreign Fire Insurance Tax and the things that feed the State Fire Marshal's Office. So why don't we just leave this here?"

"Well, let me just point out..."

"I'm waiting."

"We appropriated seven million in fiscal 88. And to date, they've spend a hundred and fourteen thousand dollars. The estimate for expenditure is 2.7 million dollars. And I think we could take it out of this fund right now, it's part of the process, and have that laying for things like education. I think it makes sense to do it. You've done it in the past and so it must make sense."

"You've done such a good job in the appropriations process we're going to roll right along with you. I think this is a good Amendment."

"Thank you very much."

"The question is 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment %5, offered by Representative 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi." some

"Madam Speaker, this restores May 12, 1988 language in the original Bill that was taken out by committee. What it does is it will restore the protest interest line as a refund and provide the treasurer with additional two percent transfer above in his budget. So I urge the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz." to House Bill 3411. On that question, the

"Would the Gentleman respond to a question?"

"If it isn't personal."

"He indicates he will."

"He does."

"Would you withdraw this Amendment?"

"You're such a sweetheart, I will."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman withdraws the Amendment. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich. You're going to withdraw this Amendment?"

"No not this one. Even if Teddy asks me in such a sweet way. Oh,...Oh, I understand now, yes I can it. And Teddy didn't even have to ask me."

"You're so sweet. there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment withdraw Withdraw Amendment #6. Are #7, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, this is the one that I wanted to 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 adopt. Amendment #7, again, corrects an error as the staff did make in some of the Constitutional Officers and I would move the adoption of Amendment #7."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #7. Any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall Amendment #7 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third, Mr....excuse me, Representative Matijevich, asks for immediate consideration of House Bill 3511 on Third Reading. Any objections? Hearing none. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3511, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Office of the State Treasurer. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is for the ordinary and contingency expenses of the State Treasurer. I would ask for your support in the passage of this Bill."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3511. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none. The question is 'Shall House Bill 3511 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are lll voting 'aye', 1 voting... 110 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill having received the 188  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. With leave of the Body we'll now go back to those Bills that had been moved to Third that we were not able to call on Third. The first one is Representative Didrickson's Bill. House Bill 3282. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3282, a Bill for an Act making appropriations from the Common School Fund to the State Board of Education. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House. House Bill 3282 appropriates $277,405,100.00 to the Teacher Retirement System."

"The Lady moves for the adoption...the passage of House Bill 3282. On that question, the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"At what level of pay out or a question of the Sponsor?"

"Proceed."

"At what level of pay out is this budget as it now stands?"

"It's at fourty-four percent, the same as last year."

"How much?"

"Forty-four percent. Same as last year."

"Forty-four percent."

"Then, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House, I rise again in support or in opposition to this Bill. I opposed this Bill last year. I hope all of you realize that what fourty-four percent of pay out means. It means that when we write a hundred dollars worth of checks to retired teachers, we are only taking in in tax revenues fourty-four dollars, SO the teachers nest egg, their retirement fund must make up the fifty-six dollars difference. When you go home this summer and campaign and talk to retired teachers, you'll probably tell them that you're going to do everything you can to make sure that 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 they have a safe secure retirement. Well every year since 1981, we have funded teacher retirement system at less than one hundred percent of pay out. That means we have drawn down their retirement system fund every year since then. First it was at sixty percent...sixty-six percent I guess, then sixty percent last year because times were really tough. It was dropped down to fourty-four percent and we're at fourty-four percent of pay out again. What this means, a green vote on this Bill in its present form means that what your doing is sending the teacher retirement system down the same path that the Federal Social Security System went. That originally was a trust fund with a nest egg and it was bled down in the same manner in which this fund is being bled down to the point where Social Security is now a 'pay as you go' system. There are moves to make it better funded I read recently that in forty years it will be adequate if I recall it correctly. This fund has been bled down so low that we will never get it caught up in your lifetime and mine. We need to stop somewhere. We need to grind to a halt. We need to put our priorities in order. It'll take a lot of money to begin catching up, but the first thing we should not do is fund again at fourty-four percent of pay out. This is a sinful budget. We should stop this budget, right here and now. Face up to our responsibilities to those who devoted their life to the teaching profession. They work for low pay and we told them they would have a good secure retirement and we're taking that retirement away from them year by year, week by week, day by day, and Bill by Bill. It's time to grind to a halt. Vote 'no' on this Bill for your friends the retired teachers. So you can look them in the eye this summer when you meet them on the campaign trail. Vote 'no'." 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day

"Representative Didrickson to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The previous speaker has made some well taken points. I would just remind him that when introduced I introduced this at one hundred percent of pay out. It is about a twenty-seven million dollar increase over last year. And there will not be at risk any teacher in FY89. This is part of the process. Part of the appropriations process. It went through committee, and appropriations too. I would ask for your aye vote."

"The question is 'Shall House Bill 3282 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 83 voting 'aye', 25 voting 'no' and 6 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 14 appears House Bill1 3318, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Office of the State Appellate Defender. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This says four million nine hundred fifty-two thousand dollars, as we included a hundred eighty-nine thousand in the last Amendment and I would ask for your 'aye' vote for the passage of House Bill 3318."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3318. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3318 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed voted 'no'. Voting is 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 14 appears House Bill 3403, Representative McCracken. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3403, a Bill for Act making appropriations to the Secretary of State. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McCracken."

"Thank you...Ladies and Gentlemen. This is the Appropriation Bill for the Secretary of State Office. As amended, it appropriates two hundred million seventy-six thousand dollars and I move its passage."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3403. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3403 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 15 appears House Bill 3463, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3463, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Court of Claims. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you. I would...ask for your 'aye' vote for the hundred fourty thousand dollars that's in the court acclaims awards, the Amendment we just adopted so that we 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day may pass the Bill." May 12, 1988

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3463. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3463 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', and 5 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 16 on your Calendar appears House Bill 3539, Representative Bowman. This Bill is on Second Reading. Are there any Motions or Amendments?"

"House Bill 3539, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3539, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman." Bowman: one "Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill appropriates dollar. It is a vehicle Bill. Such Bills, of course, are useful...in the appropriations process and SO I ask an 'aye' vote to get this over to the Senate."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House 3539 and on that question is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3539 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 100 voting...102 voting 'aye', 9 voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3540, Representative Bowman. This Bill has been read...a second time. Are there any Motions or Amendments?"

"House Bill 3540, no Committee Amendments, no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3540, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is identical to the last Bill. I urge passage of this Legislation."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3540. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3540 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no', and 4 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3542, Representative Leverenz. This Bill has been read a second time. Are there any Motions or Amendments, Mr. Clerk? 3542."

"This Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments or Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on third, Mr. Clerk." 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "House Bill 3542, a Bill for an Act making certain Appropriations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, I would ask for your 'aye' vote to get this spare tire over to the Senate."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3542. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3542 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 101...102 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no', and 4 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3543. It's been read a second time. Are there any Motions or Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"No Committee Amendments, no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3543, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you. I would ask for your 'aye' vote to get this spare tire over the Senate."

"The question is shall... The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3542. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3542 pass...43 pass. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 77 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no', 9 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 17 appears House Bill 3663, Representative Leverenz. The Bill has been read a second 195  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 time. Are there any Motions or Amendments?"

"House Bill 3663, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. No Motions. Amendment #2 lost in Committee. Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 to House Bill 3663 is another one of those staff errors. A young Irish staff analyst by the name of Catherine Shannon is here to admit her error and therefore, I would move the adoption of Amendment #3 to 3663."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 3663. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3663, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of State Attorneys' Appellate Prosecutors. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. This would be the OCE for the States Attorneys' Appellate Prosecutor. It would be three...the new figure... three million seven hundred thirty-one thousand seven hundred. I ask for your 'aye' vote to fund this agency."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3663 and on that question is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day Bill 3663 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Let the record show that Representative Breslin has a conflict of interest in this Legislation and thus is not voting on the proposition. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112...113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 23 in your Calendar appears House Bill 4023, Representative Capparelli and Leverenz. Clerk read...this Bill has been rec...read a second time previously. The Bill shall...do we have any Motions or Amendments? 4024 on page 23 in your Calendar."

"House Bill 4024, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representatives Stephens and Mays."

"Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What this Amendment does, Amendment #1 to House Bill 4024, breaks out the funds for the Metropolitan Fair into line items so that we can have some idea of where this $4.8 million that we're appropriating is going. This is simply the first step. I think we...could probably improve upon this as the process continues, but we have to have some idea since they don't send us ISL's, they send us this lump sum request for money. We need to start to line item this and this is...an attempt to start on that process. I'll be glad to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 4024. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will." 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"Would you withdraw the Amendment?"

"With a good reason."

"Okay, let me help you. We give them this amount by law. If we wanted to rearrange their line items, it would be virtually, almost impossible. If, in fact, we did it by line item, you would end up seeing them come back, banging on your door for little supplementals on...by changes in line items and things like that and it's got to be by bulk."

"Well, Representative Leverenz, I know that you made the request..in earnest, but we're not giving them any less money...as to your point about whether they should come back and ask us for more appropriations for a particular line item, we can...we can always talk about transferring between lines. We're giving them the $4.8 million they requested. I have not requested that we cut their funds. What I'm saying is that we, we are calling for some more responsibility at one level of government. I really don't see why you would object to that and...with all due respect to you, Sir, I...I think that we ought to pursue the Amendment. I think it makes good sense, I really do."

"Can you...can you state what public act authorized the $4.8 million that directs that particular amount to the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority, Reconstruction Fund for Debt Service?"

"Is that...I'm not sure what the purpose of the question is. At this point, I cannot answer it."

"Well, it comes from the Cigarette Tax and it's Public Act 8261, effective August of 1977 which directs 4.8 million of the Cigarette Tax revenues be collected by the State and are annually deposited in the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority Reconstruction Fund. So, even though I think you took their annual report and figured out 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 how to craft your Amendment...and I don't want to use the word silly Amendment, but it is not a good Amendment and I think with good thought, you may want to withdraw it. In the alternative, I would ask for the defeat of the Amendment."

"Any further discussion? Representa...was that a question? Representative Leverenz...no, you're finished?"

"Yeah, well...maybe he can close by withdrawing or running it and we'll just kill it."

"Okay, okay. The Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays on the question."

"Yes, I simply rise in support of the Amendment. There are a lot of special funds set up by statute for which we appropriate. Sometimes we line item, sometimes we don't. I don't that that's the problem, but when we got into this initially what the problem was...was that we only had an annual report that we could go off of to determine what the line items ought to be and that's pretty darn poor when you're spending $4.8 million. So, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Amendment and would hope that...the...chamber would see fit to adopt it."

"Representative Stephens to close."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman...Madam Speaker. I, with all due respect to Representative Leverenz, I don't want to withdraw the Amendment. I'm afraid that...that if we did that now, there'd be a suggestion that there's something there's trying to be hidden. I'm not suggesting that. All I'm saying is that this Amendment represents an openness in Government that we ought to be promoting. There's...there's no reason for us to question...for us not to question how this money's being spent. We're sending $4.8 million of taxpayers' money to them. They ought to 199  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day have some degree of responsiblity. And May 12, 1988 this is not a burdensome task for them to live within these guidelines and I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 40...' excuse me, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 50 voting 'aye', 61 voting 'no', none voting 'present' and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4024, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Metropolitan Fair Authority, Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Capparelli. and Exposition Representative Leverenz." Leverenz: z: "I ask for your 'aye' vote for the passage of House Bill 4024 for thirty-six one sixty-eight thousand dollars for the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 4024 and on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4024 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 98 voting 'aye', 11 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are now going to a new Order of Business, the Special Order of Business under Business Regulation. We'll do Second Readings first. The 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 first Bill appears on page 6 on your Calendar. House Bill 1573, Representative Giorgi. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Giorgi, this is your Bill."

"House Bill 1573, a Bill for an Act to register landscape architects. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in committee."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Madam Speaker, I'm told by Mr. O'Brien that the Amendment isn't printed, so take it out of the record."

"Okay, out of the record. On page 7 appears House Bill 2755, Representative Braun. Do you wish to call this Bill, Representative Braun? Clerk, read the Bill. Clerk, read the Bill, 2755. It's on page 7 of your Calendar."

"House Bill 2755, a Bill for an Act in relation to the practice of speech-language pathology and audiological. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Parke, for what reason do you seek recognition at this time?"

"Disregard it."

"Okay. The fiscal notice filed, the Bill moves to Third Reading. On page 16 appears House Bill 3597, Representative McPike. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. On page 19 appears House Bill 3790, Representative Levin, out of the record. On page 19 appears House Bill 3793, Representative Braun. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3793, a Bill for an Act to amend the Business Corporation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 103rd Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments"

"Third Reading. On page 20 appears House Bill 3896, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3896, a Bill for an Act in relation to the classification, citation, dissemination of Illinois Statute Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cullerton and Countryman."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment requires the Legislative Reference Bureau to submit to the General Assembly, a plan for codification for all of Illinois' laws. The plan would be submitted not later than twelve months after the effective date of this Bill. The Amendment requires the LRB to submit legislation to the General Assembly designed to accomplish the recodification with priority given to those parts of the current law which the LRB determines to be most in need of recodification. The LRB is directed to consult with the Illinois Supreme Court in the Joint Committee on Legislative Support Services. It is mandated to consider public comment concerning its recodification work. In addition, all State agencies are directed to assist the LRB in the effectuating the recodification. I would appreciate the support of the Amendment and would be happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman has moved for the Adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 3896. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question...the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."

"Thank you Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 202  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day House. I May 12, 1988 believe if you take a good look at Floor Amendment #1, you will see that what this basically does is allow the State of Illinois to be subject to law suits over whether or not this statutory language is in the public domain or is in the private domain. There could be some impor...some law suit from either side, to enjoin the enforcement of the statute or...potentially, to determine whether or not the statutes belong to all the public or not. There is a subsequent Amendment which will...which I will offer which will take the public acts of this State and put them into the public domain as they properly should be done so that all parties can have equal access to this. And I think that Amendment, Amendment #4, will be a fair compromise to this issue and will get all of us who really don't care that much about this argument off the hook and we'll stop all this crazy lobbying that we have every year down here on this issue. so I think, at this point, it would be appropriate to vote 'no' on Floor Amendment #1 and I would ask for Roll Call vote."

"Representative Cullerton to close."

"Well, I...I think that the previous speaker may be opposed to the Bill, but I certainly don't think he...should reasonably be opposed to the Amendment. The Amendment is in response to concerns raised by the Supreme Court of the method by which our statutes have been codified. They're in need of recodification. This is the same way of going about it, asking the LRB to come up with a plan. The possibility of recodifying all our statutes is something which is...could take...many years. It's a...enormous task. We want the LRB to study it to see what would be the best way to approach it. And that's all the Amendment does so I'd appreciate your support on the Amendment." 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 3896 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye'. All those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 79 voting 'aye', 27 voting 'no', and 5 voting  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 to consecutively number those chapters. Within the chapters to assign consecutive paragraph numbers to conceptual arguments or...or statutes that belong in the same place, basically to structure the laws of the State of Illinois. Floor Amendment #4 asks the..the Reference Bureau to compile a subj...subject matter index of the laws of the State of Illinois. It prohibits the Reference Bureau from changing any of the 'substantive' language and it says that the Reference Bureau must submit a report to the Illinois General Assembly, to the Governor, and to the Attorney General within twelve months and if the executive director of the Reference Bureau receives no objections from those body...bodies, then to go ahead and certify to the Secretary of State within 24 months that those Acts shall be the official Acts of the State of Illinois. At that point, they go into the public domain. The Legislative Reference Bureau will then have the right to make charges to any private companies or private organizations that wish to take the statutory laws of the State of this...of Illinois and sell them or use them for any other purpose. We, then, become the body that owns the statues. There will be no further dispute in the court as to whether or not they're owned under a copyright or that the structure is owned under a copyright or that any other party or corporation has the right to come in and use those statutes. I think this is a fair compromise to this debate and I would ask the Members of the floor to join with me in adopting Floor Amendment #4."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 3896 and on that question, the Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Countryman."

"Thank you Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to Amendment #4. 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 Amendment #4 guts the Bill and by gutting the Bill, you've done away what is really in the public interest of the people of the State of Illinois. Years ago, the General Assembly hired a man by the name of Henry Hurd. And Henry Hurd developed a system, and he put chapter numbers and section numbers together and he put together what we now known as Illinois Revised Statutes. And now we got to dispute between two private companies as to one claiming that they own, or have a copyright on some portion of that which we, as the people of the State of Illinois, paid Henry Hurd to do. Because they claim to have expanded the system in some way. All this Amendment does is to subterfuge the Bill. What the Bill does and what the Bill really ought to do and what the people of this State need done is to put in the public domain what is rightfully belongs to the people of the State of Illinois, the knowledge and the information that's contained in the revised statutes. We can't expect the people of the State of Illinois to know the laws we've passed unless they have some reasonable system of organization. We paid Henry Hurd to do it. This is a bad Amendment. And I ask you to vote 'no'."

"Representative Cullerton on the Amendment."

"Yes, I rise in opposition to the Amendment. If I understand it...correctly, the...it contemplates the LRB to submit a report of its proposed structual organization to the General Assembly within twelve months of the effective date of the Act. Then within two years of the effective date, the executive director of the LRB is to certify the report to the Secretary of State where upon the adopted structual organization, quote, shall be effective. So, if I read it properly, the...the Bill provides for the...a report to be approved without the General Assembly having 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 anything to say about it. So if we were to pass this Bill, we're saying to the LRB, 'go recodify the Bills and whatever you...decide, that's what the law's going to be, including authority to declare existing statutes unconstitutional'. I...I think it's...broad power is not the right way to go about codifying...recodifying the statutes. And I certainly think that the Amendment that we just adopted, Amendment #1, is the correct way of doing it, so I would ask for a 'no' vote."

"Representative Churchill to close. Excuse me, Representative Dunn. I'm sorry, I didn't see your light Sir."

"Well, Madam Speaker, some of us are having a little difficulty sorting this out and I think it'd be a good idea on this legislation if we could put up on the score board a list of lobbyists for and a list of lobbyists against this Amendment so we could sort this matter out a little easier. Because if we...well, someone behind me says the board isn't big enough to do that, I guess. So maybe we can't on this Bill. Perhaps on another Bill."

"Representative Churchill to close."

"Thank you Madam Speaker. Two points that I...that I would bring up in closing. The first is that the present situation, the way we have it, we subject the State of Illinois to a potential law suit. If West feels that we're doing something to interfere with their rights, they have the right to say they have a copyright. And they're going to sue the State of Illinois. If Mead feels that they have right to the statutes, they're going to sue and we're going to end up in a lawsuit one way or the other. If we adopt Amendment #4, we're saying that these Acts become the public domain, that...all of this problem is the State of Illinois. It's within our domain. It's not within the 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988 private domain of one of these corporations. And I think that...I think Amendment #4 will prevent us from being in a law suit. Or at least, if not prevent us, at least it will help us to avoid one. The second argument that was raised by Representative Cullerton is basically what we call a separation of powers argument that says that we have given some of our powers to the Legislative Reference Bur...Bureau to determine what the laws of the State of Illinois are, to take a law that they deem to be unconstitutional and to say that it does not become part of the statutes. That is not correct. That's not what this provides. The Legislative Reference Bureau is an arm of this Body. This Amendment provides that the reports be issued back to this Body and that any potential changes in the statutory material has to come before this Body. They're our arm. They work for us and so, therefore, I see that there is no argument in terms of separation of powers. Again, I would reiterate, this is a logical compromise. Representative Dunn asks about the lobbyists on both sides, let's send them all back home. Let's send them on to other issues. Vote for Amendment #4 and hopefully we'll never have to face this again."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote no. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 31 voting 'aye', 75 voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. The Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Churchill."

"Representative Churchill."

"Please withdraw." 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day

May 12, 1988 "Withdraw #5. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Churchill."

"Representative Churchill."

"May we have one quick pause."

"Representative Churchill."

"Madam Speaker, I believe there has been a...an agreement reached that...if I would be willing to withdraw Amendment 6, 7, and 8 at this time, that Representative Cullerton would move the Bill to Third and that if there is no agreement reached between the major players of this...of this game by the time we get ready for a final vote, then Representative Cullerton has assured me that he will bring this Bill back SO that we may consider the contents of Amendments 6, 7, and 8 at that time. And if that's the agreement with Representative Cullerton, then I am most willing to withdraw Amendments 6, 7, and 8."

"He indicates that the agreement withdraw 6, 7, and 8. Mr. Clerk, any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 21 appears House Bill 3900, Representative Laurino. Representative Laurino. Out of the record. On page 23 appears House Bill 4027, Representative Cullerton. Do you wish to call this Bill? Out of the record. Under Senate Bills, on page 32 appears Senate Bill 566. Who is the House Sponsor, Mr. Clerk? Representative LeFlore indicates he is. Read the Bill on second. Excuse me, I believe it's been read a second time and held on Second. It's Senate Bill 566. Are there any Motions or Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Senate Bill 566, this Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted previously." 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 103rd Legislative Day May 12, 1988

"As I recall...okay, the fiscal note is still not filed, Representative LeFlore. Rep... Representative, speak in the microphone, please, I can't understand you."

"...The fiscal note has been filed. We're waiting for it to arrive so we can move on the Bill. So we could move the Bill to Third, I assure you that there's no..."

"We can't do that until the Clerk has received it so let's hold it on Second. Under the Special Order of Business, designated business regulation, on Third Reading appears on page 28 on your Calendar, appears House Bill 917, Representative Brunsvold. Representative Brunsvold. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 917, a Bill for an Act in relation to licensing and regulating fire equipment distributors. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 917 would set up and create a Fire Equipment Distributors' and Employees' Regulation Act. There's a number of classes of fire equipment employees and there's a number of classes for the distributors. Application fees are required. The funding that is gained from this will go into the...the fireman's fund and I would answer any questions."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 917. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall...' Excuse me, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hensel."

"...that's alright, go ahead."

"The Gentleman does not wish to speak. The Gentleman from Will (sic. Grundy), Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen...will 210  103rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 12, 1988 the...will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Does this Bill require any one who fills fire extinguishers to be licensed?"