Illinois House Floor Debate — May 18, 1990

"House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is the Reverend Samuel Hale, Jr., of the Zion Missionary Baptist Church in Springfield. Reverend Hale is the guest of Representative Curran. The guests in the balcony may wish to rise and join us for the invocation."

"Let us bow our heads. Eternal Father, we thank You first for this morning and allowing us to see this day and to be a part of it. We thank You for the life that Thou has given unto us. And we pray now that Thou might grant us the wisdom to so live our lives and to make those decisions and take those actions throughout this day that will first be pleasing in Thy sight, consistent with Thy will and complementary to the development of we, Thy people who strive to obey Your word and to do what is pleasing in Thy sight. Bless this Assembly and these, Thy servants who have accepted the responsibilities of leadership of Thy people. Give them the wisdom and the commitment to do what is right in Thy sight. Move each of them and of us beyond ourselves so that we might come to grips with Your will. Let Thy will be done in our minds and our hearts in this Assembly. Bless each home and each family represented here for You allow us through them to realize our responsibilities not only to them but to our society and our communities. Bless each life that we hold in our hands as we make decisions. Make us more conscience of the fact that we are accountable to ourselves, to each other and to Thee for all that we say or do or fail to say or do. Bless this day and bless us in it and grant that Thy will be done through us. For in the name of righteousness and of judgement and of justice we pray. Amen."

"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Steczo." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Capparelli do you want to vote 'present'. Representative Matijevich."

"Chairman, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let the record reflect the excused absences of Bruce Farley due to illness and Representative Ronan and Keane on official business and I think you oughta call on the Chairman of the Lame Duck Society, Bob Terzich. Some of his ducklings aren't here. You want to make a call for them to come in Bob?"

"(duck call) You ought to see me call geese."

"Representative Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that there are no excused absences on the Republican side of the aisle."

"Take the roll, Mr. Clerk. 115 members answering the roll, a quorum is present. Committee Report."

"Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 29(c)3, the following Bills have been ruled exempt May 18, 1990: Senate Bill 1289, signed John Matijevich, Chairman."

"Message from the Senate."

"A message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I'm directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has passed Bills with the following title the passage of which I'm instructed ask concurrence to the House of Representatives to wit: Senate Bill #1575 and 2190 passed by the Senate, May 17, 1990, Linda Hawker, Secretary of the Senate."

"Senate Bills, First Reading."

"Senate Bill 1575, McCracken, a Bill for an Act 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day concerning uniform laws. First Reading May 18, 1990 of the Bill. Senate Bill 2190, Kubik, a Bill for an Act in relation to child support. First Reading of the Bill."

"House Calendar Supplemental #1, yellow calendar, page two. House Bill, Second Reading. House Bill 3220. Mr. Clerk. Any Amendments filed?"

"House Bill 3220, this Bill's been read a Second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton. Representative Cullerton. Turn him on please."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill deals with a problem that arose as a result of the court decision where the garnishment statute was declared unconstitutional. So everyone who's interested in the garnishment statute knows that we have to pass the Bill to comply with the court decision. And it's involved in negotiations with the Legal Assistance Foundation and various creditor...creditors, representatives as well as employers. And we're trying to fashion a compromise and this Amendment #2 is the latest in our attempt to fashion a compromise. Basically, what the court decision had to say was there has to be a notice given to a judgement debtor, a notice which is not being given now. So what's contemplated by this particular Amendment is a situation where a...after a judgement the creditor would prepare an envelope, a stamped envelope, and he would give that to the person who serves the employer 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 with the summons and he, that would either be the sheriff or the clerk of the court, would then mail this notice, this new statutory notice which is spelled out in the Bill to the judgement debtor. The controversy comes into play as to who it is that shall be required to give the notice. Whether it be the employer, whether it be the judgement, whether it be the creditor, whether it be in this Amendment's case an envelope prepared by the creditor but given to the sheriff to mail or the clerk of the court. So the reason why the Bill's on the Agreed List is because we know we have to pass a Bill. All the parties involved are going to have agreed to continue to negotiate and so this is the Amendment is the best posture we'd like to have it in before it goes to the Senate. So, I move for its adoption. Be happy to answer any questions."

"Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to inquire. Apparently there have been some discussions among interested parties, the city's involved now I guess. I'm told that there will be further discussions with the city next week. Is that your understanding?"

"Right. The reason why the city's interested is they are the largest employer in the State of Illinois. And they have a number of employees whose wages, unfortunately are sought to be garnished. On the other hand, they're also a creditor. And they garnish wages themselves, so it's a double edged sword and both sides are trying to figure out who's going to be responsible for sending out this notice. That's really the issue. Legal Assistance Foundation, they're interested in another subject matter which has to do with exemptions and that's a subject matter which is actually on another Bill that Representative Lang's the Sponsor of. But what we're trying to do with 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 this Bill is address this court decision so we have a garnishment statute that's constitutional."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this Amendment. It's a very difficult problem and there still may be a few details to work out but this is a good place to start and we'll continue to talk while it's in the Senate. I urge that this be adopted."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3261. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk,"

"House Bill 3261. This Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Hicks."

"Representative Hicks. Representative Cullerton. Representative McCracken, rather."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There have been some discussions in this area. Nothing has been concluded but the parties feel they need to keep the discussions alive. This Amendment which I offer at this time would make it a vehicle Bill. I move its adoption."

"Representative Cullerton."

"I think what we want to ultimately do do here is make this into a true shell Bill. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"And I don't know that Amendment #1 does it. I think 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day maybe #3" May 18, 1990

"Oh. Alright. Yes, you're right. You're right."

"I think Amendment #3 is the one we want to adopt."

"I move to withdraw 1 and 2."

"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Hicks and McCracken."

"Representative McCracken"

"I move its adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted? All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3282. Are there any Amendments filed?"

"House Bill 3282. This Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Ronan."

"Representative Stange Parke Williamson Homer Cullerton."

"Yes, we'd like to withdraw Amendment #2. And go with Amendment #3."

"Withdraw Amendment #2."

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Ronan and Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Well, Amendment #3 becomes the Bill. It creates the 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Promotional Gifts and Contest Act, which applies to any promotion offer made to any person in Illinois. Requires disclosure for promotions of a notice containing the name and address of the promoter and the sponsor of the promotion. A statement that the notice contains important consumer information and other disclosure items, including eligibility, the odds, the retail values and whether a person has to attend the sales presentation. If the prize is not available the sponsor has the option to give the prize of equal or greater value, the prize's verifiable retail value and cash or a check or a rain check stating the prize will be shipped within 30 days at no cost. I f the rain check is not honored the sponsor must mail a check or a money order. The exceptions to the Act include promotions for books, records, videos, or magazines, when the person has the right to review the merchandise without obligation for at least seven days and then receive a full refund. An Illinois retail seller offering in-store contest, sweepstakes or drawing and promotional mailing by a retail seller of personal property to its charge account customers. The first offense is a business offense, with up to a thousand dollar fine and two times the actual damages. Violations also constitute a violation of the Consumer Fraud Acceptive Business Practice Act. I would move for the passage of the Amendment. I think we all know what these promotions are like. I think we've all been receiving these things in the mail and since we're all State Representatives we're hopefully sophisticated enough not to fall for them but many of our constituents drive out to these things in the hope of winning some kind of a automobile or something and it turns out they're just there to buy a time share in some condominium, turns out that they're duped. So this is a response to that." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Is there any discussion of this Amendment? Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think this is probably a great idea but I'd just like to ask the Sponsor one question if I could."

"Yes."

"Representative, this is aimed primarily at direct mail promotions, is it not?"

"The purpose of this Bill is to halt the hundreds of thousands of mailings to Illinois citizens each day claiming consumers have won fabulous prizes when in fact consumers have probably won nothing more that the right to pay a con-artist for bogus merchandise."

"You mean that card I got in the mail yesterday said I could win a new car if I go look at a campground, I may not win it?"

"Well, actually, you might be the one guy that actually wins a car. But, I don't know of any Democrats that have ever actually won anything."

"Well, in that case it sounds like a pretty good idea then."

"Anything further? Representative McCracken."

"Well, pending receipt of my prize I'm one of the suckers that has fallen for this. I got something in the mail that said if I spent 400 dollars on 45 coffee mugs, I would win one of the following prizes: a 1990 Ford Taurus, a two karat diamond you know...real diamond in a pendant, an apple computer or 1500 dollars in cash. So I sent in my money. And my wife just called me the other day and said we've won the diamond pendant or necklace. Now, we haven't seen it yet, but I will agree to this Bill as long as I can advise the Senators whether I've been taken in or not."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. We're never May 18, 1990 'no'. The The Amendments going to finish today if we spend 20 minutes on an Agreed Bill. House Bill 3367. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"House Bill 3367, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3510."

"House Bill 3510, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Morrow."

"Representative Morrow. Representative Turner, on the Amendment. Representative Turner, there's 3 Amendments filed. Withdraw Amendment #1. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Morrow and Turner."

"Withdraw Amendment #2. Amendment #3."

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Morrow and Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. Amendment #3 becomes the Bill. It incorporates Amendment #1 and it provides that the plaintiff's Motion for the extension of the judgement of possession must contain a specifically worded notice directed to the defendant. It also provides that the courts must grant such Motions unless the defendant proves that the tenancy 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 has been reinstated. Or the breach has been waved. Number 3, a part judgement agreement has been performed by the defendant or grounds exists that bar enforcement of such judgement. And I move for the favorable support of Amendment #3."

"Discussion? The question...Representative Black."

"Representative, is this the Amendment that you had agreed to put on that would satisfy the objections of those in the real estate industry?"

"Yes it is, Representative."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendment."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3524."

"House Bill 3524, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee or Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3554."

"House Bill 3554, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Turner."

"Representative Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can you withdraw no, no. We want to...Amendment #1, Amendment #1 spells out, requires that the tenant's possessory interest in real...in the foreclosure proceeding at the time of filing a complaint must be joined no later than 30 days before the sale of the real estate. And in essence, what we're asking is that in 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 any morgage forclosure that the tenant be given a 30 day notice prior to eviction. It also says that a tenant does not have any rights regarding the particular suit, and that's spelled out in this Amendment."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted'? All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Turner."

"Withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments?"

"No Further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3645. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3645, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee or Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3649. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3649, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Hartke."

"Representative Hartke."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. 3649 as introduced in committee has been replaced with Amendment #2. It was a controversial issue and I've worked out an agreement with Farm Bureau and Amendment #2 contains those details. There's also going to be an Amendment introduced in the Senate which will do the second phase of this Bill. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have."

"Discussion? Representative Black." 11  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"I just couldn't hear him Mr. Speaker. Quick, question of the Sponsor. Is this the Agreed Amendment, Representative?"

"Yes. There's going to be two Amendments. One we're still working on and that is agreed to be adopted in the Senate when it gets over there. The Farm Bureau has signed off on this totally per an agreement I worked out with them, and of course with Representative Homer's wishes in the Ag Committee."

"Alright, thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3811 has been knocked off the Agreed Calendar. House Bill 4190. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4190, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representatives Keane - Matijevich - Parcells - McGann and Kubik."

"Representative McCracken."

"Representative Keane is not here."

"I see. Is Mr. Keane and Matijevich...is this supposed to be withdrawn?"

"Not that I'm aware of. Jim Keane didn't say he wanted to withdraw it and I surely wouldn't want to withdraw it."

"Take it out of the record for just a second. We...it was the Chair's understanding that is was agreed, 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 that it would be corrected in the Senate. Representative McCracken, can you...alright, Mr. Clerk, are all the Bills on Second Reading with the exception of 4190 now on Third Reading?"

"All Bills have been moved to Third Reading."

"House Bills, Third Reading. On Agreed Bill list, on the Supplemental...yes. Read the Bills and if there are any...if the Chair could have the attention of any Members that have a Bill on the Supplemental Calendar on Third Reading. Does anyone have a Bill on Third Reading that has to be back, brought back to Second for an Amendment? Please notify the Chair. House Bills, Third Reading. Read the Bills, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bills, Third Reading. House Bill 3220, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3261, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3282, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to promotions and contests. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3367, a Bill for an Act in relation to storm water banishment. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3510, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedures. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3524, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Dental Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3554, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedures. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3645..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Now if we come to any Bill that someone wants moved back to Second, please stop us. Proceed."

"House Bill 3645, a Bill for an Act to create the Certified Public Accountants Administrative and Disciplinary Fund. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day 3649, a Bill for an Act in relation contamination. to May 18, 1990 agri-chemical Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3163, a Bill for an Act to amend the Cemetery Care Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3257, a Bill for an Act to amend the Responsible Property Transfer Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3283, a Bill for an Act to amend the Asbestos Abatement Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3326, a Bill for an Act in relation nuclear safety. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill to 3373, a Bill for an Act in relation to employer provided health care benefits. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3449, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Professional Land Surveyors Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3481, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Parentage Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3482, a Bill for an Act to amend the Vital Records Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3533, a Bill for an Act in relation to property owned by husbands and wives. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3702, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to public health. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3732, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Savings and Loan Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3851, a Bill for an Act authorizing issuance of state bonds. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3866, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relation to public safety employees. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3879, a Bill for an Act to amend the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3894, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the Supported Employees Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3983, a Bill for an Act to amend the Wildlife Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4061, a Bill for an Act to amend the State 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Comptroller Act. Third Reading of the Bill. May 18, 1990 House Bill 4185, a Bill for an Act to amend the Hospital Licensing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 4194..."

"Representative Keane. I'm sorry, Representative McGann."

"Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I would ask that 4194 be returned to..."

"Yes. The Gentleman asks leave to return 4194 to Second Reading. Any objections? Hearing none the Bill's on Second Reading. Are there any Amendments Mr. Clerk?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Keane McGann."

"Representative McGann."

"Yes, thank you Mr. Speaker, and Members of the Assembly. Amendment #1 to House Bill 49...4194 is a DCCA suggested piece of legislation. The Amendment raises from 100,000 to 500,000 the minimum amount of loans, grants or stock purchase serving as economic development incentives to domestic businesses. It is also the requires economic impact fact study of any grant loan, or stock purchase to be set forth in the agreement with the business. This is a change from the public purpose requirement in the Bill as it was introduced. And I ask for adoption to Amendment #1 to House Bill 4194."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Third Reading. Proceed."

"House Bill 4194, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill, and Senate Bill 721, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Housing Development Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Environment, Second Reading. House Bill 3507, Representative Kulas. The Bill's been read a second time. Are there any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representatives Balanoff and Peterson, W."

"Representative Balanoff."

"We're gonna, we're gonna withdraw Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representatives Klemm - Deuchler and Balanoff."

"Representative Klemm. Representative Deuchler, proceed."

"House Bill 3507 has a wetlands provision that we have drafted, Representative Klemm, Representative Balanoff and myself providing for no net loss of wetlands."

"This is Amendment #2?"

"Yes."

"Alright. The question is, 'Shall this be adopted?' Representative Kulas."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3507 is a vehicle Bill to address the wetlands problem in this state. We want to pass it out as a vehicle Bill, therefore, I would urge all my colleagues to not accept any Amendments to this Bill at the present time."

"Representative Balanoff."

"Yes, Ladies and... Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Many of us feel that it's important, even in the shell, to have legislative objectives. And our objective to protect very valuable wetlands is that there will be no overall net loss. It's a policy for wetland acres types and function values and by promoting an increase in the quality, quantity and functional capability 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 of the state's wetland resources. And I would urge adoption of Amendment #2. And we'd ask for a Roll Call Vote."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Deuchler to explain her vote."

"In order to explain my vote. An action alert has been put out by the Illinois Environmental Council, this melt...may well be one of the key Roll Calls on environmental issues on the wetlands protection this year."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 35 'ayes', 72 'nos'. The Amendment is defeated. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4152, Representative Hicks. Are there any Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 4152, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Been read a second time previously. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted previously. Floor Amendment #3 is being offered by Representative Kulas."

"Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. Floor Amendment #3 addresses the Department of Energy and Natural Resources Amendment to the recycling bit on this Bill and I would move for its adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4 being offered by Representatives Edley Giglio and Hultgren." 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

May 18, 1990 "Representative Edley, Amendment #4. Mr. Clerk, what is the Bill we're on?"

"House Bill 4152, a Bill for an Act Environmental Protection Act." to amend the

"Did we just adopt Amendment #3?"

"Amendment #3 was adopted."

"Alright, Amendment #3 was adopted to 4152. We're on Amendment #4. Mr. Edley."

"Thank you. Thank you Mr. Speaker. This Amendment is the result of the Speaker's task force on newsprint recycling. It's a voluntary program to encourage increased usage of recycled newsprint. The program phases in over three years. At the end of three years, there's a percentage of 28 percent recycled fiber that the Illinois Press Association has voluntarily agreed to reach as a goal. If they reach that goal then there's no further action. If they don't reach the goal then it becomes a mandated level in 1994 for each newspaper in the state to reach. I'll respond to any questions about it."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill the third time Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4152, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As the two Gentlemen have described, Amendments #3 and Amendments #4 were adopted become part of the Bill. The only thing is the original part of the Bill is still intact in the Bill. I'd 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 be happy to try to answer any questions anybody has."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 100, 106 'ayes', 6 'nos', none voting 'present'. House Bill 4152 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3507, read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3507, a Bill for an Act concerning the protection of certain natural habitats. Third Reading of the Bill. Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As I mentioned before House Bill 3507 is a vehicle Bill for the wetlands issue that we're working on. The Department of Conservation is meeting with the Department of Agriculture and the Home Builders and the other interested groups. It's just a shell Bill right now. Which we want to move. And I would move for its passage."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Ropp, to explain his vote"

"Well Mr. Speaker. I was gonna ask a question to make sure that the intent as a shell Bill that the intent will be exactly as is prescribed by the federal law dealing with wetlands as it pertains to agriculture. Is that the kind of commitment that you're gonna have? Or would have?"

"Have all voted? The Gentleman indicates yes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there is 76 'ayes', 28 'nos', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 3507 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. The Chair is going to start, if you'll look at page two of the Calendar at the very bottom we're going to start with State 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Budget and then proceed up the line, Professional Regulation and Labor. We're not going back to any of these order...Orders of Business. We're not going to return. So you've got one chance to call your Bill here. If you don't want to that's your choice. Professional Regulation. House Bill 2074, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. Labor, Second Reading. House Bill 3114. The Bill's been read a Second Time. Are there any Amendments filed?"

"House Bill 3114, it's been read a Second time previously. Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Lang."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3114 deals with the Wage Deduction Act. Representative Cullerton had a Bill earlier that dealt with a different section of the Wage Reduction Act relative to notice. Amendment #1 to this Bill does two things relative to the Wage Deduction Act. Firstly, it changes the fee that the employer will receive for, handling the wage deduction from $8 to $12. Secondly, it changes a flaw in the Act that has been there for some time. And the flaw relates to who pays the costs of a wage deduction. As you know, all costs of a litigation or a lawsuit are chargeable to the defendant. The initial filing fee, the service of summons, the filing of the wage deduction, but for some reason there's an anomaly in this Act and in the $8 fee that the employer's, has been that the employer's been able to charge in the past has not been chargeable to the debtor, the person that owes the money but in fact has been chargeable to the creditor. So we have the situation where the employer takes the $8 out of the employee's check but the creditor must credit that against the balance due. That's unfair. It makes no sense. The debtor is responsible for all other costs 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 relative to a wage deduction or all other costs relative to litigation. There's no reason he shouldn't be responsible for these costs as well. So these are the two changes that Amendment #1..."

"Is there any discussion on the Amendment? Being no discussion the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Lang."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 deals with one issue. This has been known in the past as the wildcard exemption. But in fact, it's not a 'wildcard exemption'. Into the Garnishment Law has been built in aside from the 85 percent exemption that debtors receive currently on their wages. Which, by the way, is 75 percent pursuant to federal law. There's been a $2000 personal property exemption built in. And if you take a look at the language in Section 12-1001, of the Act dealing with personal property exemption it discusses personal property. The intention of this Act and this Section was to deal with the personal possessions of a debtor and not allow a creditor to take them away. Things he needs to live with. Such as a bed, a refrigerator, things, the necessities of life. And the Section goes on to discuss wearing apparel, a Bible, school books and that type of thing. And the failure in the previous drafting of this left a hole in the Act that has allowed some judges to interpret this section to include wages. So we have a situation, and it takes place more often in Cook County than any other place, where judges are applying aside from an 85 percent exemption on wages, which as I say is already more liberal than the 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 federal exemptions, they're adding an additional $2000 in some cases on an exemption on wages. This Section of the Act never intended to apply to wages it only intended to apply to personal property. This Amendment, therefore clarifies that and creates a situation where wages are not applied under this Act and only personal property. I ask its adoption."

"Representative Young." Young, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Amendment. I also disagree with his interpretation of law. It's not correct. What this Amendment will do, it will only affect low income debtors. The wildcard provision was written into Illinois law in 1982, as a general protection of personal property and the federal courts in Illinois have determined that any property means current wages as well as personal property. The wildcard protects the money income of a garnished worker only when the money income are the only assets that the worker has. This law was intended to give low income workers income protection when they didn't have other assets that the higher income workers actually have. Amendment #2 was offered in the Judiciary Committee as a Bill in its own right. It was not successful in the committee. The committee did not think it was a good idea and would not send it to the floor of the House. This is a bad Amendment. It will only hurt the lowest of low income wages workers, what it'll do, it'll cause low income workers to resign their jobs rather than be subject to this higher amount of garnishment than higher income workers have to pay and I ask for a 'no' vote."

"Representative Dunn. John Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I too, rise in opposition to Amendment #2 to House Bill 22  120th Legislative Day 3114. I STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 but it is my haven't read all the cases understanding that the statutory exemptions from judgement creditors allowable for those who are sued, include cash. Section C of the personal property exemptions, and it's clearly understood that personal property includes cash. Section C says the, pardon me, Section B as in boy, the debtor's equity interest not to exceed 2000 dollars in value in any other property. Any other property, of course, would include cash. What happens is that this Amendment seeks to address the situation where a judgement creditor has wages coming, or pardon me, the debtor has wages coming, they are the subject of a wage deduction order and disaster strikes and the debtor seeks to claim his or her exemptions, that, those wages are cash, they are money which belong to the debtor they happen to be in the hands of the employer being held at the present time. That is clearly an asset of the employee of the debtor and this Amendment should not be adopted to defeat the purpose of that, of that situation which has been understood in the law for a long, long time. There is a problem which needs addressed and language needs to be articulated to solve that problem but this is not it. So I would respectfully urge defeat of this Amendment."

"Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes."

"How is this wildcard exemption being applied in the circuit court in Cook County? Is the exemption available multiple times, depending on the number of garnishments and would you explain what is happening in the courts right now that makes this Bill necessary?"

"Well, I thank you for the opportunity. Currently, the court is applying it multiple times. People are allowed to 23  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 claim this $2000 dollars over and over and over again. Creditors are entitled to be paid. People create bills and have a situation particularly in Cook County where they're not required to pay those Bills. Because if a person has over a period of the eight week garnishment period, $1500 dollars in wages withheld. There's a judge in Cook County that adds another $2000 dollars to the already 85 percent exemption and therefore the person isn't paying anything on the wage deduction. And we have the situation in Cook County where a person could be making 30 or 40 thousand dollars a year and if he claims this exemption may never have to pay any money to a creditor. And that certainly cannot have been intended by this statute."

"And there is already the safeguard as to wages which you referred to the 85 percent rule. Would you explain that to the Body?"

"Representative Lang and Representative McCracken. We have a lot of Bills to move here. Now, the Chair would appreciate it if you would try to be brief. Representative Lang."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker. It is very difficult on this kind of a Bill but I'll try. Currently, the Federal Law allows states to exempt 75 percent or more of a worker's wages. In Illinois we already exempt 85 percent of a worker's wages. We go well beyond what the Federal Government requires. Workers are protected and these rulings in Cook County that are based on an interpretation of this statute that is incorrect need to be addressed by this Bill and this Amendment."

"Representative McCracken."

"There are ample safeguards. The wildcard exemption is being abused by the courts. No one is suffering under this except the creditors currently. This does not 24  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 represent a threat to the debtor. I rise in support."

"The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, because of the large number of Bills and the shortness of the time, I would suggest that the nonlawyer Members have a brief explanation of their Amendment and Bill, that Lawyers not be permitted to explain it at all."

"Alright. The suggestion is that no lawyers or no one from St. Clair County will be allowed to speak today. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there's 75 'ayes', 30 'nos' and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Lang."

"Representative Lang. Out of the record. Withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4 offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Withdraws Amendment #4."

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3114, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Lang."

"The Amendments become the Bill, I'd appreciate the same Roll Call."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 82 'ayes' and 26 'nos'. House Bill 3114 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared 'passed.' House Bill 3788, are there 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 any Amendments filed? Representative Young, do you want this Bill called? Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3788. It's been read a Second time previously. There are no Committee or Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3788, a Bill for an Act to guarantee a work opportunity for all Illinois citizens. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Young." Younge, W.: "Thank you for Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 3788 would establish the guaranteed work opportunity program for all the citizens of the state of Illinois. Basically, what this Bill would do would be to revise the old PWA (sic...WPA) the Works Progress Administration in which young people were placed in various parks and on public projects in order to help reveal the environment and while they did this 32 hours a week, what would happen is they would work four days for minimum wage and then on the fifth day they would have an educational experience. This Bill is very carefully crafted so that there would be executive councils in each of the counties in Illinois. Then these executive councils would come up with the work projects. Based on the theory that local government of course knows best what would be the work projects for the various projects around this state. I ask your endorsement of this Bill."

"Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Would the Sponsor yield for a question please?"

"Yes. Briefly."

"Representative Younge, I understand that there is a $1.5 million dollar cost to this program. Does this come out of straight GRF?" 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Younge, W.: "I didn't hear the last part of your question."

"I am advised by our staff that there's a $1.5 million dollar cost to this. Does this come out of General Revenue Funds?" Younge, W.: "The, that cost would be at a later date. To begin with there must be stored up in a conceptulization of the program and I think that DCCA or the Department of Labor said that only about $200 thousand dollars would be needed to start the program up. And to conceptualize the various projects. Then there would be two pallets probably during the second year at two areas in the state in which a number of young people would be employed. It would not be that cost really from the standpoint that young..."

"Anything further? Representative Didrickson."

"I'd just like to say that there's a $1.5 million dollar cost to this. It comes out of General Revenue Funds basically to guarantee jobs for teenagers. The support services that its going mandate and require would be to provide transportation to and from work, childs healthcare and any other special materials needed. I think that perhaps it might be a good idea but certainly not one that's affordable or justified at this point and time."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Representative Younge to explain her vote." Younge, W.: "Thank you very much. Actually rather than being new money this would be a decrease in the payments that are made under the Public Aid budget because the state puts half of the money in for public aid and the state puts in money for general assistance and rather than giving checks to the young people this would be a work experience would teach them how to do the most important things that they have to do in life and that is to work. And for those 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 reasons, I think that it would not really add totally to the expense of the State of Illinois, but would be a savings. If we could teach young people how to work then they would not be in the penitentiary and they would know how to live as adult citizens. And those are the reasons I think that a work opportunity Bill for young people. We have thrown our youth aside and I need 10 more votes to pass this Bill. Could I have your attention? We have thrown our young people aside and we haven't shared the work of our state with these young people."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 51 'ayes' and 60 'nos'. Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Postponed Consideration."

"The Lady asks Postponed Consideration. House Bill 3987, Representative Martinez. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments? 3987."

"House Bill 3987, it's been read a second time previously. Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Martinez."

"Representative Martinez. Did you wish to withdraw the Amendment, Sir?"

"No. Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen."

"Representative do you want to withdraw this Amendment? Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to withdraw Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Martinez."

"Representative Martinez. Proceed, Amendment #2. Proceed, Sir." 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Yes, Amendment #2 becomes the Bill. Amendment #2 to House Bill 3987 as amended changes the required pay supplement from 5 percent of each salary based classification established under the Personnel Code to the department. Changes it so the department may establish a pay supplement for bilinguals. The amount of the supplement and the length of the time it remains in effect shall be negotiated between the department and the appropriate collective bargaining representative. I ask your approval of this."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be...Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. A question to the Sponsor. I didn't hear everything he said. It appears that Amendment #2 is establishing a supplemental pay, in other words additional pay for employees that are required under the job description to speak a language other than English. And that additional pay may apply for each foreign language required for the position. Representative, now you started out with a 5 percent supplement, I think this Amendment takes it out. The amount of the supplement then is determined by the collective bargaining process. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"So there's no specified supplement now in the Bill at all, right?"

"No there is not a subject to...subject to negotiations between the agency which is CMS and the AFSCME which represent..."

"Okay. So I guess the bottom line is if they don't bargain that initiative..."

"Mr. Black."

"I'm sorry Mr. Speaker, I got cut off. The bottom line is 29  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 if it isn't negotiated then there will be no additional pay supplement for someone required to speak a language other than English at all. Correct?"

"This Amendment was...fashioned after suggestions by both the agency and AFSCME."

"Mr. Black, to the Amendment."

"To insure..."

"I'm not sure he answered the question. As I interpret it, I guess if it isn't bargained collectively then there would be no supplement. If that's the case I think that answers some of the concern."

"Correct. Representative Black."

"The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3987, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Personnel Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Martinez."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. House Bill 3987 is patterned after legislation signed into law in Ohio in response to the issue of higher pay for bilingual skills. Currently being addressed by both public and private sectors across the nation. House Bill 3987 requires the, the Department of Central Manager Services to establish four positions requiring an employee to speak or write other language than English. A bilingual pay supplement, I'm sorry we took that five percent out. Thank you and I ask for your favorable support on this matter."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 90 'ayes', 18 'nos'. House Bill 3387 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Labor, Third Reading. House Bill 2907. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2907, a Bill for an Act in relation to medical and family responsibilities leave. Third Reading of the Bill. Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2907 creates the Illinois Family Responsibility and Medical Leave Act of 1990. It would require an employer with 50 or more employees to grant up to 8 weeks of unpaid leave over a 24 month period to certain employees, for the birth of a child, adoption or foster placement of a child or to illness of the employer his child, spouse, or parents. Employees eligible for leave under this Bill must have been employed at least 12 consecutive months by the employer and work at least 20 hours per week. This would require the employers to continue the employee's health insurance coverage at the employee's expense during the period of the unpaid leave. This is the identical Bill that was passed out of this House last year which the Governor vetoed. In the Governor's veto message he stated that the reason he vetoed the message was because this should be done under collective bargaining. Well let's face it Ladies and Gentlemen, the majority of the workers in this state don't work under collective bargaining, so that was no excuse. Family leave is an issue which is here to stay and it's an issue which must be passed. We've debated this Bill extensively, I'll be glad to answer any questions and then I'll close." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Alright since, this is the identical Bill we debated last year, we're gonna ask Representative McCracken to speak against the Bill. Everyone else explain their vote. Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in objection to this Bill. I'm absolutely opposed to it. You know, big brother lives beyond 1984. How paternalistic can we be? We think the people of Illinois are so stupid they can't take care of themselves and solve their own problems. So we're going to address this problem with a sledge hammer. We're going to tell businesses, and I'll tell you something, it ain't big business that's affected, 50 employees and up. Do you know that for other purposes big business in this state is defined at 250 employees and up. So if you think you're only hurting AT&T, you are mistaken. You are absolutely wrong. This Bill is paternalism at its worst. Let's tell the employers of Illinois that they have the freedom under our Constitution to deal with their employees fairly. In the state of such sophisticated labor and collective bargaining laws and the ability of the employer to respond as the economics of his business dictate, we should not be here ruining whatever good the business of Illinois does. Don't forget. Even those of you with the large tax eater constituency. You have small business in your district too. Your neighbor employs people in his small business. Your brother is in small business. Your Aunt is in small business. This is absolutely the wrong thing to do. The Chicago Tribune just a few days ago editorialized against this again. They believe that it's bad public policy that it paternalistic that it is counter productive. I rise in opposition."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Representative Santiago to explain his vote. Representative Santiago, turn him on please."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to let the record reflect that I would have voted 'aye' on House Bill 3987."

"The record will so reflect. Representative Ropp to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I think as the previous speaker mentioned that we should not really get ourselves involved in mandating what small business should do. The problem that has also not been addressed is the fact that you let someone get off for eight weeks then you hire a replacement, what does that replacement do after that period of time? I mean we're really not even addressing the intent of helping people. We are really putting them out saying that we will help you become fully employed but then only for eight weeks. This is not the way to solve unemployment."

"Representative Kulas, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the previous speakers mentioned that this effects the small business. It effects only five percent of the employers in this state. Let's look at the situation. Look what happened at the federal level. Congressman Hyde, Congressman Martin voted for the Family Leave Bill. Because they see the light. Now why don't you open up your eyes, vote for this Bill. Let's put Illinois in the forefront in this United States for family."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative McCracken to explain his vote. Oh, he wants a verification. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 65 'ayes', 48 'nos' Representative McCracken, Representative 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Van Duyne." May 18, 1990

"Well, we have a minor problem here Mr. Speaker. In punching when Representative Shaw punches his light it does not work here on the board and in our haste we thought he didn't, hadn't voted and we kept punching it until we were off again on again. So..."

"What do you want to do sir?"

"He wants to vote 'aye'."

"Representative Shaw would like to vote 'aye'."

"Get somebody to fix the light. It mixes us up."

"Representative Shaw, 'aye'. Representative McCracken. The question is...on this Bill there are 60... Representative Mautino, 'aye'. Anything else? On this Bill there are 67 'ayes', 48 'nos'. House Bill 2907 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3125. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3125, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Balanoff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3125 as amended amends the Civil Administrative Code to require the Department of Central Management Services shall include interest accrued at the rate of seven percent per year from the 45th day after the claims are received by the Department of Central Management Services or 45 days from the date on which the amount of payment is agreed upon until the date the claims are submitted to the Comptroller for payment. My understanding is that by October often that the fund for wage claims is depleted so that those entitled to back wages must wait great lengths of time for back payment of wages that they are entitled to. If this fund was funded sufficiently there would be no cost to the 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 state for this Bill. Under current circumstances the cost of the state is approximately 20,000 would be approximately $20,000."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 111 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 3125 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3239, Representative LeFlore. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3239, a Bill for an Act to amend the Steel Products Procurement Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3239 is not a new Bill to this chamber. This Bill has been around over the years, it's a Buy American Bill. This Bill changes the title of the Steel and Steel Products Act to the Illinois Domestic Procurement Act. It requires that every contract entered into by the State of Illinois for the purchase or lease of commodities and manufactured goods other than steel be domestic products. I don't see why we should put a lot of discussion in this Bill. This Bill has been discussed many, many times it's controversial and therefore I ask a favorable vote for House Bill 3239."

"And one Member in opposition, Representative Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Sponsor?"

"Briefly."

"I understand, Representative, I know we've seen this Bill before. By 1993 you require that there be 70 percent if I'm not mistaken, 70 percent American Prod..., American manufacturing 70 percent." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"That's stated in the Bill, Sir."

"How is that going to be judged?" May 18, 1990

"Well, I think that's something we have to figure out."

"Say again? I'm sorry."

"Well, I think that's something that will have to work Harris: out." "It's gonna have to be worked out. Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, if I may, to the Bill. It's got to be worked out. Quite frankly, there's a lot in this Bill that has to be worked out. How do you judge whether or not a product is at 70 percent of American manufacture? How do you judge when they make computer chips in Mexico and they make computer chips in Japan and when they make computer chips who knows where else in the World and may show up an American... American computers. How do you judge whether it's 70 percent or not? When they make a car engine in Mexico they make the seat covers in Taiwan. They make any other part, the brakes could come from Cana...another country. How do you judge whether it's 70 percent? You know the Secretary of Agriculture, the United States Secretary of Agriculture is in Europe right now. And you know what he's trying to do? He's trying to break down protectionist barriers. He's saying to the Europeans, look you guys. You're not letting us sell American products in Europe, we think that's bad. We want you to bring down those trade barriers and those trade walls. What we're doing right here is putting up barriers. And we are sending a signal. If you don't think those people overseas are watching what we are doing in this House, you are mistaken. They are. What we do is important. It has significance. They are watching it. They are saying, if you guys are gonna throw up your trade barriers, why should we lower our trade barrier. This is counter productive. 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 It's not going to help us in the long run. It's not gonna help us competitively. The more we remove competition from our industries, the more we hurt our industries. Look at it closely, please. I know it's passed out of here before, it's a bad Bill. It shouldn't be passed. Look at it closely. I think you'll see that it's unworkable. Let's put this thing back where it belongs which is for a lot more revision and put 'no' votes up on the board. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Balanoff to explain his vote."

"Yes. I rise in support of this, and to explain my vote. In support of this Bill, I come from the southeast side of Chicago which has been devastated by plant closings, in the steel industry. Had this Bill been law 10 years ago, probably many of the people that I grew up with and the parents of many of my friends would be working. Instead, unemployment is at probably 20 percent in my district and in many other steel areas of this state. So I would urge many more green votes."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative Ropp, did you wish to explain your vote?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker. I was only going to say that what the very people who are trying to help here are the people that we're going to end up laying off work because there will not be jobs as a result of this. I urge a 'no' vote because trade is an international street, we need to work together internationally. This only builds barriers we cannot afford to have them."

"Representative Olson." Olson, M: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Very quickly, Illinois' #1 industry is agriculture. 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 You're talking about swapping 80,000 jobs. The steel industry would have been in better shape to handle what had came along if they'd have made good investments in the years when they were making money. You can't equate that."

"Vote your own switch. There'll be a verification. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there's 60 'ayes', 52 'nos'. Representative McCracken asks for a verification. Representative LeFlore asks for a poll of those not voting."

"Poll of those not voting. Mautino and Stern are not voting."

"Verification of the Affirmative. Mr. Clerk, read the Affirmative."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Balanoff. Bowman. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Cullerton. Curran. Curry. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Edley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Lou Jones. Shirley Jones. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Morrow. Mulcahey. Munizzi. Novak. Phelps. Preston. Rice. Richmond. Saltsman. Santiago. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Sutker. Terzich. Trotter. Turner. Van Duyne. White. Williams. Wolf. Woolard. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge, and Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Brunsvold would like to be verified. He's right here Mr. Parke. Brunsvold is that alright? Mr. Parke, yes? Thank you. Mr. Parke."

"Representative Ronan?"

"He's not voting."

"Representative Keane?

"He's not voting." 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Laurino?"

May 18, 1990 "Mr. Laurino here. Representative Laurino. The Gentleman's not here. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Satterthwaite?"

"Representative Satterthwaite is here."

"Representative Balanoff?"

"Representative Balanoff is here."

"Representative Rice?"

"Representative Rice. Representative Rice. Nelson Rice. Gentleman here? He's not. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Bowman?"

"Representative Bowman is here."

"Representative Levin?"

"Levin. Representative Levin. Ellis Levin. Gentleman here? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative DeJaegher?"

"Representative DeJaegher is here."

"Representative Morrow?"

"Representative Morrow. He's here."

"Representative Giglio?"

"Representative Giglio's in his chair."

"Giorgi?"

"Representative Giorgi..."

"Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see him over there. Representative Matijevich. I'm sorry. Sorry. Representative Brunsvold?"

"He was verified."

"That's right. Thank you and Representative DeLeo?"

"Representative DeLeo, Jimmy Deleo. Representative Deleo here? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Martinez?"

"Representative Martinez." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Martinez."

May 18, 1990 "Martinez here? Mr. Martinez? Remove him from the Roll. Representative Levin has returned. Put him on as an 'aye' vote." "Representative Saltsman?"

"Mr. Saltsman. Is the Gentleman here? Mr. Novak, is Representative Saltsman here? Remove him from the Roll. Representative Dunn would like to vote 'aye'. Representative Preston would like to be verified. He's right here. Proceed, any further?"

"We have nothing more, Mr. Speaker. Thank you."

"Alright. Representative Martinez has returned. Put him on as an 'aye' vote. Representative Mautino, 'aye'. Representative Granberg, 'aye'. Representative Stern, 'aye'. On this Bill there are...Representative Stern 'aye'. On this Bill there are 60 'ayes'...Representative Saltsman has returned. Put him as an 'aye' vote. On this Bill there are 61 'ayes', 51 'nos'. House Bill 3239 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3624, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3624, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 3624, amends the Insurance Code to extend the police officers and firefighters and deputy sheriff's health insurance retirement continuation privilege to all members of the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund. All employees now who are participants in IMRF, who retire or become disabled would be able to elect to continue their group accident and health insurance coverage until they become Medicare eligible at age 65. I should mention to the 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day declared passed. House Bill 4101, May 18, 1990 Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. 4101 Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4101, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to collective bargaining. Reading."

"Representative Matijevich."

Third Matijevich: "Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this a Bill was introduced on behalf of the Associated Firefighters of Illinois. It would allow the employer and labor organization to establish through the collective bargaining process procedure for promotion, which may differ from that provided by civil service. What has happened too often have been that the municipalities have precluded someone from being promoted just because they have been active in the labor organization. The Bill also includes an Amendment by Gene Hoffman which would provide a preference where someone may have two years successful course of study in criminal justice law enforcement. would ask for the favorable passage of House Bill 4101." I

"Any questions? Representative McCracken."

"The Bill has been amended, apparently this was a very dramatic change in collective bargaining policy for the units affected. What does it do now relative to the collective bargaining procedures?" for

"All it would do is, if there is an agreement, in other words through collective bargaining process, if the employer and the labor unit can agree to a procedure, promotions. In other words it would have to go through the collective bargaining process, the as I said the Associated Firefighters, they have indicated that there have been too often where they have found because someone is involved in the labor union, they have been secluded from receiving promotions. So, if they can come to some agreement for a 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Members of this House that Federal law presently, the COBRA Law provides for employees and retirees to purchase up to 18 months health insurance continuation coverage, when they terminate their employment or when they retire. This Bill would extend the time for those employees retiring before the age sixty-three and a half. And I should also mention that the Bill specifically...specifically provides that the employees, the retiree, who wishes to take...to take advantage of this provision would pay both their share and the employer share or the municipality's share. Lastly, Mr. Speaker, the actuarial tables that have been provided to me by IMRF, show that the retirement age for regular employees is approximately sixty-four years of age, for safety employees approximately sixty-two years of age. So on the whole the...while this coverage is important, it provides that extra bridge that these employees need. The impact locally should not be that significant. I would answer any questions and ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 96 'ayes', 12 'nos', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3624 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4027, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Noland. Let the record reflect that Representative Noland would have voted 'aye' on House Bill 3624. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. 4027."

"House Bill 4027, a Bill for an Act in relation to correctional facilities. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Phelps."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The central issue in this Bill is to prohibit 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 prison privatization at the state level. There are a number of reasons why we need to support this concept. Despite the proponent claims, private prisons have not proven to be cheaper to operate. Several southern states have adopted this policy, it has proven to be quite threatening in many instances. Illinois prisons have dangerous, violent offenders in them and we need the accountability and security that only public management can provide. No matter what we want to think, however, we try to rationalize, we cannot escape the liability issues with respect to inmates. It simply remains a fact that the state is ultimately liable, whether we are private or public if inmates are violated. So it is not wise to turn over these operations to private management. Nowhere else in state government is such a practice tolerated. I appreciate your 'aye' vote."

"Does anyone stand in opposition to this? Does anyone stand in opposition? Representative Ropp are you in opposition to the Bill?"

"Question please."

"Briefly."

"Representative, if this Bill passes and it...if a prison is built and it's operated privately how does it make any money?"

"I'm not sure how it would."

"Well then why have a Bill that would maybe never even be needed because it's not...if you're not going to make any money as a private business I don't...obviously the prisoners aren't going to pay for the care."

"Representative Ropp, instead of getting into a dialogue. Let's proceed in opposition to the Bill or for the Bill."

"Okay, I guess I'd say that to my knowledge any private 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 business like this that has ever gone in effect has always cost us more money that what anyone ever thought they could save. So I'd don't see any need for the Bill."

"Representative Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Question of Representative Phelps. Do local municipalities that are going to lease and put in private prisons of their own, are they included or have they been taken out of this Bill now?"

"Representative Phelps."

"Representative Hicks as amended we...we allowed state government, local government excuse me, to make that decisions now, so that's out of the Bill."

"So in my case specifically, cause I'm the only one in the state right now that I'm aware of that has a privatization going on my local municipality is going to lease to an individual, they're going to actually put it in, they're going to lease to an operator that is allowed under this Bill."

"Right. This just prohibits state government from the state level from doing it. The locals can do what they want."

"Okay, thank you."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative McCracken."

"Of course I, suppose it doesn't matter. This limits home rule though, does it require 71 votes? It doesn't matter."

"Requires 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, will take the record. On this Bill there are 83 'ayes' and 30 'nos'. House Bill 4027, having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 different procedure that could be done through the collective bargaining process."

"I rise in opposition of the Bill. Where there are boards or commissions they unilaterally decide the policy for hiring and promotions or not hiring, but for promotions. And this would subject every promotion decision potentially to the collective bargaining process. And that is an unwarranted extension of the collective bargaining process. Collective bargaining was never designed to insure promotion to be negotiated in the context of labor talks, it was designed for other salary and benefits. But not for promotion, I rise in opposition."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. Bugielski 'aye'. On this Bill there are 71 'ayes', Representative Trotter. On this Bill there are 71 'ayes', 41 'nos'. House Bill 4101, having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative Martinez."

"Could you please let the record show, I would have voted 'aye' on 4101."

"Yes, the record will SO indicate. Banking, Second Reading. House Bill 1679, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House...Housing, House Bill...Revenue, House Bill 2923. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill."

"Are there any Cosponsors on this? Representative Cullerton? Representative Cullerton? Representative McCracken."

"I think Representative McAuliffe...is a Cosponsor on 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day this Bill."

"Representative McCracken."

"May I have leave to present it?" May 18, 1990

"Yes, does the Gentleman have leave? Attendance Roll Call is used, the Gentleman has leave." McCracken: to "Alright, this Bill allows the Department of Revenue enter into cooperative agreements for the purpose of collection of Motor Fuel Taxes with various other Agencies. I move its passage."

"Is there any discussion? Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?"

"House Bill 2923, a Bill for an Act to amend the Motor Fuel Tax Law. Third Reading of the Bill."

"All in favor vote 'aye'. Opposed vote 'no'. Representative Turner? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 113 'ayes', 1 'no'. House Bill 2923 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1042, Environment. Third Reading. Representative Parcells. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1042, a Bill for an Act to prohibit the use of live animals. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1042 as amended prohibits the testing of cosmetics, and household products in the eyes or on the skin of live animals, in a dermal or similar to dermal test for irritation. It makes a knowing violator...violation a Class A misdemeanor and it provides for civil penalties and authorizes civil proceedings to enjoy violation, enjoin violation. I stress that House Bill 1042 does not include any medical or any pharmaceutical testing, this is strictly cosmetic and household products. It includes no injestion 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 so this isn't going to hurt children it has nothing to do with swallowing, animals will still be used for injestion tests, they still be used for medical test and pharmaceutical tests. This is strictly for cosmetics and household products over a hundred cosmetic companies are already going to other tests. There are numerous alternative tests available for such testing, and therefore the unnecessary suffering of small animals is not needed in this area. I be happy to answer any question, anyone might have."

"Who stands in opposition to the Bill? Does anyone want to speak in opposition to this Bill? Who wants to speak in opposition to the Bill? Representative Giglio."

"Yeah, I'd like to say a little bit. Caught me off guard there Margie. But...this is a Bill that we heard last year. And...I think last year we said that we were going to try and do some more...meetings we were going to talk about it, you know this industry that...provides the tests and do the things we that we have to live with and the way live...in our...in our society. What it boils down to is these things that they're doing in these laboratories, you know, the bottom line is do you do it on human beings or do you do it on animals. Now this industry has done an 'omen' job as far as trying to break it down step by step. Sure it's a long way, but what these articles that these people have been sending to you is really ridiculous and they're not true. I would ask that you just leave this Bill alone, send it back this summer and this fall, there's going to be some more meetings all over the country with regards to this. They're doing their best and I would ask for a 'no' vote."

"Question is, Shall this Bill pass? All those in 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. May 18, 1990 Have all voted? Representative Cowlishaw to explain her vote."

"Perhaps, the Sponsor could just nod yes or no please. The chemical industries had some concerns about this because there are some tests required by the Federal Food and Drug Administration, which that administration does not recognize that there is any alternative. You either do that test or you can't pass the requirements of the Food and Drug Administration. Have you taken care of that problem? "

"Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 49 'ayes', 37 'nos'. Jesse White 'aye'. 50 'ayes' and 37 'nos', and the Bill fails. Public Utilities, Second Reading. House Bill 4171, Representative Hicks, Mr. Hicks, Representative Hicks. Out of the Record. Criminal Law. House Bill 2957, Representative McCracken. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Page four of the Calendar. House Bill 2957, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning jury instructions. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton. Representative McCracken."

"Mr. Speaker..."

"Yes."

"Representative McCracken I should withdrawn this right? Yes."

"Gentleman withdraws the Amendment. Further Amendments." 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Cullerton."

"I withdraw that Amendment too."

"Withdraws the Amendment."

"Okay, I know what I'm doing here. I'm going to remove my name as a Sponsor of the Amendment.

Representative McCracken will be the Sponsor of the Speaker McPike: "Alright, the Gentleman asks leave to...change this Amendment to Representative McCracken. Gentleman have leave? Representative McCracken on the Amendment... Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This makes the requirement of jury instructions prior to trial discretionary with the court. I move its adoption."

"Question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Was the Amendment adopted?"

"Amendment #2 is adopted."

"Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2957, a Bill for an Act concerning jury instructions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McCracken."

"As amended the Bill allows the court to order the parties in its discretion, to prepare and tender jury instructions prior to the trial of a case. Currently, the practice typically is after the trial or after the evidence a jury instruction conference commences and is decided and 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 then the jury is instructed. This comes to me from a Circuit Judge who feels that the better practices to have the instructions ready so that some of the instructions at least can be given to the jury prior to the introduction of evidence. I move its passage."

"Representative Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in respectful opposition to this legislation, this is a very significant new and novel concept in the conduct of jury trials it may be the correct thing to do. But this is something which ought to be studied, deliberated and discussed and it has not been adequately aired at this time. There were similar proposals in civil trials, which received considerable debate in House Judiciary I Committee. I think the sense of those members was that this concept is premature, so I think we should slow this concept down until a time when we have...a better opportunity to consider its merits. I urge a 'no' vote."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, this requires a little explanation. This was originally my Bill, along with Representative McCracken. And what basically happened was after, after discussions in the Judiciary Committee an attempt to work out an Amendment, I decided that I did not want to Sponsor the Bill anymore, and was not going to support it. But, as a courtesy to Representative McCracken I allowed him to become the Sponsor of the Bill. Now the reason why I still think it's a good idea to have some instructions be allowed to be given by a Judge at the beginning of a trial. And the current law says they can't do that, but the problem with this Bill as drafted it says that even if a Judge doesn't even want to read the instructions at the beginning of a trial, the way I read it, at the beginning of the 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 trial the lawyers, both lawyers both sides have to bring in all of their jury instructions. Even if the case is settled and even if those instructions aren't read at the beginning of the trial. So, that's why I am not in favor of the Bill, but as I indicated I originally was the Sponsor, because we couldn't work out an agreement I changed by position on it and gave the Sponsorship of the Bill to Representative McCracken. The reason why the lawyers, trial lawyers both plaintiffs and defendant lawyers are opposed to it, is that in the state courts they're used to preparing their Amendments at the end of a trial and they are very reluctant to have to do all this work before the trial starts. When it might not even go to trial and they don't know exactly what their instructions are going to be before the trial and as a result there's a good deal of lawyers who might not be in favor of this Bill, because of that...of that objection."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 49 'ayes', and 55 'nos'. House Bill 2957 fails. House Bill 4126, Representative Homer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 4126."

"House Bill 4126, on page ten of the Calendar."

"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4126, on page four of the Calendar. A Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen this is a Cook County State's Attorney initiative that simply provides that the...the right of the defendant to a speedy trial, which is currently 120 days of in custody, 160 days 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 out of custody. The time shall toll where a defendant has been released on bail and has committed a Class B or more serious offense. That will trigger a restarting of the time clock with respect to the speedy trial purpose. And the purpose for the Bill, is to...because where a defendant is facing multiple charges it requires additional trial court preparation, and the view is that if the defendant commits a crime while on bail that he has forfeited his right to a to be discharged should there be a lapes in the time within which he must be brought to trial to give the state additional time to prepare both cases. So, I think it came out of committee without any opposition that I recall, I would answer questions but I would ask for your support."

"The House will stand at ease for just one second for an introduction. Representative Cullerton in the Chair."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Ladies and Gentlemen, I have a brief introduction. I'd like to introduce to the House: Vince and Larry. Vince and Larry as you can tell are dummies and, and the reason why they are dummies is because they don't wear their seatbelts. These are the guys that are used in those crash tests to see what happens when you don't wear your seatbelt, so I thought I would introduce them to you, Vince and Larry are unable to talk since they are dummies so you don't have to worry about them saying anything, but they're here to demonstrate I'm not sure what district they're from but Representative Weller or Weaver I'm not sure, but they are, they're here to emphasize that next week is Buckle Up America week. So that's why they are in town. They travel throughout the, they're not the Democratic leadership team, that's not true. I just thought I would introduce them to you and 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 they won't say anything so you're off the hook. Thank you. Representative McPike the Chair."

"Mr. Weaver. House will come to order. Representative McPike in Chair. Representative Weaver."

"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just...I wanted to make an observation, I noticed neither one of those dummies was wearing a helmet."

"Alright, Representative Homer, did you finish on your Bill?"

"Yes."

"Did you close Representative Young in opposition is that correct? Representative Young stands in opposition, to House Bill 4126 proceed, Sir." Young, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this Bill, the right to a speedy trial is one of the basic fundamental rights guaranteed to everyone in this society. The charge of another crime is not and should be, should not be connected to the right to a speedy trial. If there's a charge of another crime, first of all its just a charge and no one is convicted. But secondly and most important for there to be a charge it means that person must have been out on bail, then the appropriate punishment of course is to revoke that bail and put the person in the penitentiary. So there's absolutely no connection between speedy trial and perhaps a subsequent charge, all too often people wind up staying in jail for extremely long periods of time for a crime that they are eventually not convicted of. So this is a bad Bill we need to force the State's Attorneys to bring people who want to go to trial to a speedy trail to help relieve the over crowding in our local jails."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 85 'ayes', 24 'nos'. House Bill 4126 having received Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Economic Development. House Bill 2714, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2714, a Bill for an Act to amend the Build Illinois Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2714 would amend the Build Illinois Act to permit the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to develop and operate an urban demonstration in the East St. Louis area of a small business incubator. There is presently, there in East St. Louis a small business incubator, but this Bill would ask the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to go further and make resources available for feasability studies and to develop an expand the prayer view of the incubator into a demonstration, that would particularly go into defense contracts, under the defense contracts law five percent of the contracts would go for minority business or go to minority businesses. And McDonald Douglas Enterprise in St. Louis, Missouri is interested in the possibility of asking minority engineering firms, for example around the country to branch and locate in the incubator to in order to expand the small business strategy and the redevelopment of the East St. Louis economy..."

"Does anyone rise in opposition? Representative Stephens."

"Just briefly, Mr. Speaker. To point out, the city already has an incubator in place, the Lady wants the small business incubator to receive one hundred percent State funding instead of fifty percent as is currently the status. This was a duplication of effort, a duplication of 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 dollars, and a duplication of bureaucracy. We would stand opposed."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Doederlein to explain her vote. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 48 'ayes', 53 'nos'. House Bill 2714 having failed to receive Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. Transportation, House Bill 4172, Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks. Hicks. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. Insurance, House Bill 3323, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino. House Bill 4048, Representative Williams. Representative Williams."

"Yes, I move to table House Bill 4048."

"Gentleman, moves to table House Bill 4048. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Gentleman has leave. House Bill 4048 is tabled. Special call Civil Law, House Bill 3019. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3019, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill was on the Agreed List yesterday and was knocked off last night. This Bill creates a statute of limitations in a malpractice action brought against an attorney. Right now there is no malpractice statute of limitation. The proposal would, which is supported by the some lawyers groups but opposed by others, I should point out. It provides a two year statute of limitation on attorney malpractice actions with a six year period of repose. There are some exceptions, of course, as in the 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 case where you don't learn about the malpractice in the case of say a will or testamentary trust because the error could not be discovered until after the client has died. In those cases there's a two year period from the day of the death of the person for whom the attorney rendered services in order to bring an action. I should tell you that there are some lawyers' organizations that are opposed to the Bill, the Trial Lawyers, I normally support the trail lawyers position but in this case I think they're wrong. The Trial Lawyers are opposed to the Bill, but I still think it's a fair Bill. So I appreciate your support."

"In opposition, Representative Johnson."

"This is an absolutely horrible Bill. If you want to go back to your districts and tell your constituents that what you want to do, by the way is this on Short Debate, Mr. Speaker?"

"Pardon me."

"Is this on Short Debate?"

"Everything we're trying to keep on Short Debate. You're speaking against the Bill and he spoke for it. We're trying to move along today."

"Well, I think this is a very significant Bill and I would ask that at least five others to join with me in allowing us to discuss this issue in more than a limited context."

"We can discuss it all day if you want to Representative Johnson, it's fine with the Chair."

"Well, as I..."

"We'll open it up and everyone can discuss this Bill. Proceed, Sir."

"Do you want to go back to your constituents and tell them that what you did today, what you've done in your 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 function down here is to create special rules for lawyers. Let lawyers off the hook when they foul up then I guess you can go back and do that. This Bill strikes at the very core of the most essential relationship in our society, at least in the business contracts, between an attorney and a client. When you go in as a client whether you're a farmer or a laborer or whatever you might be and ask your lawyer for legal advice. You're asking him or her to give you advice in the most sensitive areas in your life. Whether it's a will, what you want to do with what you've acquired for a lifetime in terms of property, pursuing an action where you've been hurt or otherwise. And when a lawyer fouls up, as we do, then we ought to have to pay the price. This Bill in essence makes it extremely difficult to sue a lawyer. And when you go back home and after this Bill is in effect for a couple of years and you have people start calling you on the line and saying, why did you pass this special statute of repose a special treatment for lawyers, then you're going to feel the price for it. Downstate anyway, when somebody comes into a lawyer's office and asks you to draw up a will most people assume that that will is good until somebody else in the family dies or unless there is a major occurrence that causes a necessity for change in the will. Often times that happens after six years after ten years, they assume a will is good forever. Lawyers make mistakes. They violate the rule against perpetuity, they violate various rules in our legal system and when that happens and when somebody loses a lifetime savings because a lawyer fouled up. They come into the courts and they say no the Legislature acted in May of 1990 to create a special statute of repose for lawyers, you can't sue anymore, the statute of repose is run, your family estate is gone. You've got to pay the government everything then 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 they're going to wonder why did we do that. Why did we create a special set of rules for lawyers when the most intimate business relationship that exists is violated and when and we don't comply as lawyers with our obligation to use ordinary care in dealing with our clients. This is very, very bad public policy. It strikes at the core of the relationship between an attorney and a client and it's bad business. In addition to that, you can only use your own imagination to think of the number of areas where lawyers can potentially make mistakes. And the ramifications of those can mean the elimination of a cause of action, the inability to represent somebody in a sensitive child custody or child visitation case, the ability to represent a family effectively in terms of family planning and on and on and on and on. If you want to vote to give a special S.O.P. to the attorneys negligent attorneys who leave their client without a cause of action, you'll vote for this Bill. If you want to vote for the people, the people that you represent that are subject and come into a law office with the opportunity to get legal advice and then have their whole lifetime plan fouled up by a negligent lawyer, then...the obvious ramifications flow from there. House Bill 3019 is one of the worst Bills of this Session, and it ought to be overwhelmingly defeated."

"Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I frequently agree with the previous speaker and I think he is very often on point. In this case, however, I think he could not be further from the right position. This Bill puts a statute of limitations as we have in virtually every area of human endeavor. And let me just give you a couple of examples if they haven't already been 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 said. In medical malpractice cases we have a four year statute of limitations. For accountants we have provided for a five year statute of limitations. This is providing for legal malpractice, a six and ten year period of a statute of limitations. That is extremely reasonable but let me point out what the opposite effect would have, and I'm going to use as an example our distinguished colleague, Representative Countryman who is over there and sitting...who sits next to Representative Johnson and through a great loss to the General Assembly, Representative Countryman has decided to become a judge of the circuit court. And I'm sure he'll be very distinguished in that new role. However, after he's left the practice of law for five years, for ten years, for fifteen years, for twenty-five years because of a will that he may have written ten years ago, that he was paid perhaps the magnanimous sum of fifty dollars for, thirty-five years later he may be able to be sued for a million dollars because the person he wrote that will for in a thirty-five year span of time never bothered to have that document reviewed by a subsequent attorney. Even though tax laws change virtually every single year, family circumstances change with great frequency and with all important documents every lawyer I know who is not committing malpractice advises his or her clients, now this is a will, this is good today but I don't know what the tax laws are going to be tomorrow or a year or two or three years from now, as your family circumstances change, as your financial circumstances change you should have this important legal document reviewed by other counsel periodically. And if that person, that client does not choose to do that, why should Representative Countryman, some twenty years after he has left the practice of law be liable in a malpractice 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 case. That makes no sense. That's why we put a four year statute of limitations on the books for physicians and a five year statute for accountants and this would put a six and a ten year statute of limitations for attorneys. It is absolutely meaningful, it is necessary, there is no reason why someone who leaves for any reason, the practice of law, should have to continue to buy malpractice insurance, ten, twenty, thirty, forty years after they no longer practice law. That makes absolutely no sense and I'd urge your 'aye' vote."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is without a doubt the worst anti-consumer Bill you could vote for this entire Session. What Representative Preston said is that the lawyer who draws your will and naturally you do it before you die and you die eleven years later and the lawyer totally screwed up your will and your estate plan and costs your wife, your widow and your children maybe two hundred thousand dollars in federal state tax because the lawyer screwed up the will. We can't go back and sue that lawyer. That's what it is all about. This is without a doubt the worst anti-consumer vote, those of you who are concerned about your constituents, your consumers, you're sending the wrong message. You're telling those consumers, you can't go back and sue the lawyer that screwed it up. Here we have lawyers in the General Assembly, legislating their own safe harbor. It's the worst possible vote you could make this Session. And there are others, yes. But this is without a doubt the worst, when you've got to go back home to your districts and tell them that you let every lawyer practicing law in the State of Illinois off the hook, because you created a safe harbor for them. Yes, I'm a 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 lawyer but I'll tell you what, it sends the wrong message to the voting public in Illinois. Lawyers do not deserve special treatment, they're down here making laws to protect themselves. Sponsoring laws and making laws to protect their own profession. That sends the wrong message. I urge the colleagues on both sides of this aisle not to create any safe harbor for lawyers, be concerned about your consumers. And if you're SO concerned about your consumers, you'll vote 'no' on this issue. Thank you."

"Representative Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, I warned you about those lawyers. I move the previous question."

"The question is, 'Shall the previous question be put?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the previous question is put. Representative Cullerton to close."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I don't mind if you want to vote against it for...certain reasons but certainly not for, I don't want to misrepresent or have the Bill misrepresented. I specifically said, in the case of a will there is an exception. The statute of limitations doesn't even begin until after the person dies and after that you have two years to file the lawsuit. I would also suggest that this is not a special rule for the lawyers. If you want say it's a special rule for the lawyers then you have to also say there's a special rule for physicians, dentist, registered nurses and hospitals. Those professions have a statute of limitation of two years with a four year statute of repose whereas, this is a suggest...a six year statute of repose. Public accountants have a two year statute of limitations, architects, builders and contractors have a four year statute of limitations. Just about everybody has 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 a statute of limitations except for lawyers. So it is a needed and reasonable Bill, the only group of lawyers that are opposed to it are the trial lawyers that Representative Johnson alluded to, those are the trial lawyers who like to go out and sue anybody they can, especially other lawyers who they think they can get a claim of malpractice against. So, if...if you think that you want to vote with the trial lawyers so they can run around and get some more money for their lawsuits then fine but if you think this is a reasonable Bill as I do, I encourage you to vote 'aye'."

"Representative Johnson for what reason do you rise? You spoke in debate. A point of personal privilege? State your point, Sir."

"Representative Cullerton indicated that I misled the General Assembly in regard to the provision, with regard to wills."

"I don't think he did, I..."

"Yes...yes, he did."

"I think Representative Wennlund..."

"No, he did and I've got a right to state this point, Mr. Speaker."

"Is this a point of personal privilege?"

"Yes, it is."

"Was your name used in debate?"

"Yes. He indicated..."

"By who?"

"He indicated that I can't be missed...absolutely."

"Was your name used in debate, Sir?"

"Yes, it was."

"Yes, it was? Yeah, proceed, if your name was used in debate go ahead and proceed."

"Indicated that with respect to wills that I had misled the General Assembly by indicating that the action had to 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 be brought two years after the death of the person. I f you'd read page two of the Bill, page, lines fifteen thru eighteen, it specifically provides but in no event may an action be commenced more than ten years after the date on which the act or omission occurred regardless of when the death of the client was. So, I accurately stated the Bill from the beginning and Representative Cullerton's comments apparently accidental, did not correctly state the nature of the Bill and didn't correctly state my opposition to it. My opposition stands and I correctly stated the Bill in my debate originally."

"Representative Cullerton on a point of personal privilege, his name was used in debate by Representative Johnson."

"I didn't feel personally offended by anything he said, so I already closed and I would just be happy...I would suggest that he read the Amendment that was adopted in committee not the Bill. That's okay, let's just vote on it."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Representative Hasara to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to see more 'no' votes up there. To me, to compare the time for accountants and architects to that of a lawyer, is ridiculous. Go back and tell your constituents that you're comparing the damage that a lawyer could do to someone's life to that that an accountant or architect could do and see what they think about that. I urge more 'no' votes."

"Representative Sutker."

"Mr. Speaker, this is a very reasonable Bill. It's been characterized as one that is anti-consumer. To the contrary, it's one that will alert the consumer to the 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 dangers that can incur when you don't realize what your own interests are and what they may be. If this is unreasonable then every statute of limitations on the books should be removed. Now I say that to you because I see that there is a hesitancy to support what is a forward looking effort to make it clear to all that you have to be alert to your own rights and to protect lawyers who decades after they've made...done an act, may find that retribution has occurred from directions they never even conceived of. We've voted on accountants Bills that...that are certainly more outrageous, on medical malpractice Bills that are certainly more outrageous and here you had a thoughtful, reasonable Bill that was considered in committee and it's being denounced and characterized as anti-consumer. That in itself is outrageous."

"Representative Morrow."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm voting gold on this Bill, 'present', due to the fact that lawyers who are voting on House Bill 3019, everyone else who has a conflict of interest on any issue gets...will rise and claim that they have a conflict but they will vote their conscience. Each...every lawyer on this floor should have rose and said, that I have a conflict of interest on House Bill 3019 and that they will vote their conscience. I feel that it's wrong, that everyone else can do that or has to do that but the lawyers in this chamber feel that they don't have to abide by the same rules that everyone else has to abide by."

"Representative Preston."

"Thank you... Mr. Speaker, I think Mr. Morrow's remarks are well taken and I do have a conflict of interest and I will vote my conscience."

"Thank you. Representative Cullerton." 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Yes, I agree with Representative Morrow, I think every lawyer should get up and indicate that if they are voting 'yes', they have a potential conflict of interest but they are voting their conscience, so we can spend a little bit more time while we run up the votes we need to pass the Bill."

"Thank you. Representative Dunn."

"I would just like parity with the doctors to the extent, I have a conflict of interest I shall vote 'aye', for parity with the doctors."

"Representative Breslin."

"Can you hear me through my duck?"

"Yes."

"Can you still hear me through my duck?"

"Yes."

"Okay. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, I too am a lawyer. I, however, disagree with Representative Morrow. I do not believe I have a conflict of interest and the reason I don't believe so is because I don't have a direct financial gain from the passage or the loss of this Bill. And that's the only reason when a person has a conflict of interest. Neither myself nor my husband who is also a lawyer would have a direct conflict of interest by the passage or the loss of this Bill. We don't sell this kind of insurance, etc, etc, etc. Maybe the insurance people ought to get up and tell us about their conflicts."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I think those of us that aren't lawyers might be considered barracks lawyers ought to help the lawyers in the House. Now I know all of you are judging the mental quotient of the lawyers in the House, you know they need a lot of help, they need a lot of support and we ought to protect them against themselves, and I think they 65  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 need this Bill very badly. You don't want to go back home and put any of your lawyers in jeopardy. So let's give them some support and give them five more votes."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Mr. Speaker, I just wanted the record to reflect I'm a certified non-attorney but I'm going to vote my conscience."

"Representative Williams."

"I too, am a lawyer, I believe in parity. I stand to announce any potential conflict of interest, even though it may not be certain. I vote my conscience."

"Representative Morrow."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since my name was used in debate of this Bill. I also on certain issues have conflicts of interests. I do not gain from those conflicts of interest but I still declare my conflict of interest. So the reasoning that was given as to why they did not...they did not feel that they have to get up to say that they had a possible conflict of interest is not valid. And I don't like my name being used in debate for that kind of reason or purpose."

"Mr. Black, are you looking for a verification?"

"Well, I just want to help all the attorneys and everybody that might be in a conflict of interest, if you vote your own switch you won't have a conflict because we will request a verification should it be...close."

"Alright. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 60 'ayes', 32 'nos' and 20 voting 'present'. And Representative Black is asking for a verification. Representative Cullerton would like a Poll of those not voting. Representative... Mr. Clerk, proceed with Poll of those not voting." 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

May 18, 1990 "Poll of those not voting. Daniels. Goforth. And McCracken. No further."

"Mr. Clerk, Mr. Cullerton did not hear those, would you repeat those?"

"That was, Representatives Daniels, Goforth and McCracken."

"Any further?"

"No further."

"Alright, proceed with the Poll of the Affirmative."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Balanoff. Bowman. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Edley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Homer. Lou Jones. Shirley Jones. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Munizzi. Novak. Phelps. Preston. Rice. Richmond. Saltsman. Santiago. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Trotter. Turner. Van Duyne. White. Williams. Wolf. Woolard. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge and Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Black, is there any questions?"

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative Balanoff?"

"Representative Balanoff. Representative Leverenz. Mr. Black, Representative Leverenz is right back there, he would like to be verified. It would be Leverenz, we're going to write these down and Lang, right here in this aisle, Mr. Black."

"Fine."

"Okay. Leverenz and Lang. Alright, Representative Balanoff. Is Mr. Balanoff here? Yeah, there he is, he's here." 67  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative DeLeo?"

"Representative DeLeo. Mr. DeLeo. Jimmy DeLeo. The Gentleman's not here. Representative...remove Representative DeLeo from the Roll Call. Representative Curran would like leave to be verified. Representative Ellis Levin would like leave to be verified. Anyone else? Proceed, Mr. Black."

"Representative DeJaegher?"

"Representative DeJaegher is here."

"Is Representative Flowers over there?"

"Representative Flowers. Representative Shirley Jones would like leave to be verified. She's in this aisle over here, Mr. Black."

"Fine."

"Alright, Representative Flowers? Mary Flowers. Is the Lady here? Remove her from the Roll Call."

"Representative White?"

"Yes, he's here."

"Thank you. Is Representative Munizzi over there?"

"Yes."

"It's hard to see hiding behind those stacks of Bills here. Representative Van Duyne?"

"Yes, he's here. He's right down front."

"Representative McNamara?"

"Representative McNamara. There he is, in the rear."

"Representative Granberg?"

"Granberg. Representative Granberg. Representative Martinez would like to be verified, he's right down front. Representative Granberg. Yeah, here he is, he's here. Granberg is here."

"Thank you. Representative Giglio?"

"Giglio is right in the center aisle next to 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Representative Cullerton. Representative Mary Flowers has returned. Vote her 'aye'. Proceed, Mr. Black."

"I have nothing further, Mr. Speaker."

"Nothing further. Representative Hicks would like to vote 'aye'. Mr. Hicks 'aye'. On this Bill there are 60 'ayes', 32 'nos', 19 voting 'present' and House Bill 3019 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Yes...Representative Cullerton."

"Having voted on the prevailing side, I move to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 3019 passed."

"Having voted on the prevailing side, Representative Cullerton moves to reconsider the vote by which that Bill passed. Representative Giorgi moves that lay on the table. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Motion carries. Government of Administration, Second Reading. Second and Third House Bill 613, Representative McGann. Mr. Clerk, the Bill has been read a second time. Are there any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann."

"I'd ask that Amendment #2 be tabled."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2, further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative McGann."

"I respectfully ask that Amendment #3 be tabled."

"Withdraws Amendment #3, further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Shaw."

"Representative Shaw. Amendment #4. Mr. Shaw. Yes, Sir proceed. Proceed, Sir. Amendment #4."

"Oh...Representative Currie, I will call on Representative 69  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 Currie to explain the Amendment."

"Representative Currie."

"What Bill are we talking about..."

"Representative Currie, would you like to explain this Amendment? No, she doesn't want to. Do you want to withdraw the Amendment?"

"The Amendment elects College Board Members by districts, that's what this Amendment does."

"Any opposition on this? Looks like there is a lot of opposition on this. Who wants to speak against the Amendment? Is everyone that's light is on, are they all rising in opposition? Does anyone rise in support? Alright we have...we have...we have five lights on... Representative...Shaw."

"Table the Amendment."

"Gentleman withdraws the Amendment. Further Amendments? Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann." McGann; "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly. Amendment #5 becomes the Bill, what it does is it makes the Bill applicable to community college districts having a population of 345,000 or more which are contiguous to Chicago. The purpose of the Amendment is to insure that the Bill applies to Marine Valley community college district, which has a population of 348,244. This piece of legislation is important, it has nothing to do with the City of Chicago, but it does as far as the suburbs are concerned. And what we have is a problem of taxation without representation, and this is to correct this ill that is existing. Further it's a movement throughout the Country, that the community college districts, they should 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 be elected by the Members of the district wide, rather than at large. And I would ask for support of Amendment #5, to House Bill 613."

"Does anyone rise in support of this Amendment? You can turn off your light if you're in support. Anybody in opposition? Opposition would be Representative Mautino."

"Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker. At this point with this Amendment may I have the floor to speak in opposition based upon what I think that Amendment does. May I question the Sponsor on the Amendment 4?"

"Yeah, yeah."

"...In your explanation of the Amendment, you are establishing districts as a opposed to district wide election of the community college members. Is that correct? And the original."

"Representative McGann, you'll have to speak into your microphone."

"Thank you. It wasn't on Sir. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're offering the right of a referendum to obtain the district wide, rather than at large by referendum."

"You are offering a referendum, whether or not the members of the community college board should be elected at large or by districts. Is that correct?"

"That is correct."

"Your original Bill also had a provision that, no part time employees would be employed by a community college district. Which would eliminate seventy percent of the educators. Is that in your Amendment?"

"That was taken out, it's deleted completely. Has nothing to do with this Bill any longer."

"At the current time, 613 only has the provision that would allow for a referendum on determination of who would 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 serve on the school board. By district or at large."

"Community college districts, right. By referendum."

"That's all the Bill does at this point in time? I happen to stand in opposition to the concept of the district as opposed to the at large positions, at large election process. So therefore I don't believe I'm the person to stand in opposition, since my other question was responded I will wave that to someone else."

"Does anyone else stand in opposition to the Gentleman's Bill or the Amendment as described. Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand in opposition to this Amendment, there are eight communities in my legislative district. All eight of these communities are affected by this Bill. The Sponsor who lives in Chicago is not personally affected by the Bill, has only two communities that are affected by this Bill. I think it is absolutely the wrong way to go at this time, there are people on the board right now that are doing a very good job in fighting the taxes and trying to lower the assessment value. This is the wrong thing to do and the wrong time to do it. I am definitely in opposition to this Amendment and this Bill."

"Question is, Shall Amendment #5 be adopted? All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Wolf, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in support of this Amendment. This Amendment contains provisions very similar to a Bill that was passed last year. And simply gives the people in a particular community college district, the privilege of voting for their trustees on a subdistrict basis. It gives those taxpayers the same representation that they should have through, rather than a election at large. This is the same 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day provision that petition signatures in the thousand or more are presented to a May 18, 1990 two amount of board and upon presentation of those signatures the board presents the referendum to the public. I would move for adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative...Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. My principle reason for opposing this Amendment is because it would limit minority access to the members of community college boards. In 1989, I would remind you that the officials of the NAACP opposed geographical subdistricting for community colleges. Subdistricting requires a candidate to finish first, in order to win a a seat, whereas district wide can seat. For the purposes of representation on these boards. opposition to this Amendment."

"Representative Young." Young, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment...the figures the Lady just gave were involved with another district much further downstate in Illinois. The reason I'm supporting this is because it's my understanding by creating subdistrict in this area which is in Cook County there's subdistricts could a candidate when those candidates run finish third or fourth and still win a promoting minority I stand in strong I rise to support this a possibility that one of the of have...wind up with minority representation. When you have a large concentration minorities in a small area, subdistricting is a plus for the minority population."

"Representative Leverenz."

"...Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The previous Speaker, I believe the minority spokesperson on education on the other side of the aisle. Said that this is bad, that's the 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 furtherest thing from the truth. This is exactly what you have in the City of Springfield. This is exactly what two years ago our...a prior Speaker on this side asked for his own high school district to provide representation by district and it's by referendum. Not what the previous Speaker said. This provides for equal treatment in a community college district, rather than running at large to provide an imbalance. Many municipalities are moving away from running at large. I would ask for your green vote to adopt Amendment #5."

"Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just ask the Body one question. How many of you would be elected to this Body if we had to run at large? I think this is a strong attempt to allow minorities and regions throughout those community college districts to actually, legitimately have honest to goodness representation. Where you have areas of large populations it is very difficult to have any kind of broad representation if you have elections at large. We're attempting to address that this time. Giving broader representation, equal area representation and minority representation as a result of this Amendment. I urge your support."

"Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't believe that we don't have enough votes to pass this Amendment out. This is amazing, this just simply says that people can be represented when they have junior college board elections. These trustees ought to be elected from various districts, and the district that I live in the...there's one pocket of people that supply all of the representation. If you believe in preelections, if you believe in representative government you ought to be voting green on this. I cannot 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day believe all the red votes on this issue.

"Representative Black." It May 18, 1990 Please vote yes." Let me correct "Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. a misconception the...the community college folks don't support this Amendment. only affects the College of Dupage, Harper College, Moraine Valley and Oakton, now if this is really a problem, let's sit down with the community college board, the community college trustees and let's get this thing worked out once and for all. It's been before us, I believe at least once in the last three years and it's never passed. If it's indeed a problem, let's..." one else, Representative

"Representative...no McGann to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to clarify some of the previous Speakers. They are totally off. I live in Chicago, but I represent Burbank and Evergreen park. And we don't have representation on the district college board, further I got a call from two of the trustees yesterday in complete support of this proposition, it's something that we need in our community and other communities. Finally, as far as minority participation this will accelerate minority participation in being able to serve on these boards in these given areas. It's limited to the 345,000 population. ask for your support, this is the right thing to do. As Representative Ropp had stated earlier, a lot of us would not be here if we had to go at large rather than in districts. I ask your support." I

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment, there are 57 'ayes' and 54 'nos' the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #6, being offered by Representative Ropp and Ewing." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment May 18, 1990 allows for the newest community college that was just last formed, which includes Livingston County, McLean County and Logan County to have the option to have their members elected at large, correction, by districts subject to voter approval."

"Question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted? All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

Clerk O'Brien "No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 613, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McGann."

"Thank you, I think we have debated it pretty well, I would ask for support and ask for the 60 plus votes that's need to send this to the Senate. I thank you, very much."

"Question is, Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this legislation. The fact of the matter is that, what this does is it splits the district up, it breaks up the continuity and the congruity of the district and the voting patterns. This is not a way to resolve a particular problem in a particular district by using this shot gun kind of approach. By that I mean you and I know, those of us who have been here any length of time...that once you start down a road for one district, you're on that road eventually for everyone. I think given the givens we've allowed communities to organize their community college in a responsible way and...we should 76  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 leave well enough alone."

"Representative Satterthwaite. Satterthwaite."

Representative Satterthwaite: "Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I believe that this Bill really provides for the democratic process to be put in place. The provision that these changes would be made by referendum is certainly something that then leaves it in the hands of the citizens of the local community college board to decide whether or not they want this option. It does not make it automatic, it is left in the hands of the voters to decide. I think that's appropriate, I would certainly hope that eventually we would extend this option to everybody across the state for their particular community college district. But in these cases in these areas we have an initiative to allow the people to make the choice. I certainly think that is appropriate. If they don't believe that this provides a better option than what they have now they will reject it in a referendum. For us to say that we don't give the people the right to make this choice, certainly does not seem like the logical way to go. I think that we eventually should have all of our districts having this option available, and I urge support of the Gentleman's Bill."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, I am sure my community college opposes this Bill. However, as I listen to the debate, and in my mind I feel that the community college districts one day are going to fine they're face with lawsuits because their process does exclude minorities. And I really think that this is the more responsible way to go, and particularly when it is left up to the referenda so therefore I am going to vote 'aye'." 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to ask for a verification should this receive the prerequisite number, thank you."

"Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in opposition to this, simply based on Representative Black's com...offer of a compromise. Why can't we sit down let those best in interest sit down talk it out, and solve it without one trying to take the advantage over the other. Quite frankly in our society it compromises what we try to work for, and I think that they should get together and solve this without bringing us and getting us involved. It's their problem let them solve it."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative Ropp have spoke in debate. For what reason do you rise?"

"I don't think I spoke in debate on this particular issue. I spoke..."

"No, that's right you spoke on the Amendment. We're on the Bill. Proceed."

"Thank you, I would just like to say that yesterday I heard all kinds of conversation, urging letting the people decide by a Constitutional Amendment and so forth. Why are we not willing to let the people decide in their community college districts to be closer to their representation, rather than to have a major population area have all the members represent them on the community college. I urge your green vote."

"Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The previous Speaker was exactly correct. All this Bill does is say that the residents and taxpayers within a particular community college district, 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 upon the presentation of 2,000 signatures or more would have the privilege of putting this issue on a referendum, and let the people vote on it. There's an old adage that says if it ain't broke don't fix it. Well we've got certain areas in this state where it is broke and this Bill would fix it. I would hope that you would support this Bill."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative McGann asks for a poll if those not voting. There's no one not voting. On this Bill there are 57 'ayes', 56 'nos'. And the Bill fails. House Bill 2867, Representative Lang. Mr. Clerk, the Bill has been read a second time are there any Amendments?"

"House Bill 2867, no Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Stephens."

"Representative Stephens."

"Withdraw."

"Withdraw Amendment #2 , Floor Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Stephens."

"Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 to House Bill 2867, would provide for stronger qualification for highway construction contractors working with the Department of Transportation. Basically, it would require that all bidders be pre qualifed for the department to perform at least half of the, 51 percent of the total work of the contract. Leased or new equipment must be in possession by the bidder for at least thirty days. Department must retain 10 percent of payment during the first half of the 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 work performance, department should not release plans for bidding...detail plans for bidding to any contractor who is not pre qualifed. And all proposals shall be accompanied by a cashier's check in order to protect the bid deposits and to assure good faith bidding. I would move its adoption."

"Question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2867, a Bill for an Act in relation to transportation on highways. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Stephens Amendment becomes the Bill. I would move for its passage."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Giglio 'aye'. Giglio 'aye'. The Clerk will take the record. Phelps, 'aye'. Santiago 'aye'. On this Bill there are 102 'ayes', 4 'nos', and 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 2867, having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2874, Representative Shaw. Mr. Clerk, the Bill has been read a second time. Are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Shaw."

"Representative Shaw. Mr. Shaw."

"Yes, I would like to withdraw Amendment #2." 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2874, a Bill for an Act relating to collegiate athletics. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Shaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. All this Bill does is in the, it set forth a provision where that the NCAA will offer some stiphend providing that half of the other states when half the other states pass similar legislation. That's all that, that the Bill does, I ask for an 'aye' vote on the legislation."

"In opposition to the Bill? Representative Hoffman or Representative Black which one? Representative Black."

"Thank you, very much Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition of the Gentleman's Bill. We heard testimony that the University of Illinois and Southern Illinois University do not terminate athletic scholarships when an athletic is injured while participating in a sport or practice, for which he is receiving a scholarship. We've asked for a fiscal impact it's very difficult to...to get one. We're not sure whether if this becomes law in Illinois, that the General Revenue Fund is gonna have to pick up that scholarship cost or whether it's passed on to the University. I think the Gentleman's well intention, there are too many questions on the Bill. We've got all kinds of problems with the NCAA floating around here. And we haven't been able to reach agreement on any of that. At this point I just think its safer not to pass this Bill and continue working on the problem. I urge a 'no' vote."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those 81  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Shaw, to explain his vote." May 18, 1990

Representative Shaw: "The only thing I wanted to...I wanted to make a correction, I was in error when I explained the Bill, it very certainly deals with the scholarships and I would ask for an 'aye' vote, because all the Bill does is say that if an athletic is injured while playing for the school, that they won't reject his scholarship. And I don't think that's too much to ask. No, no, no, no, that's all that this Bill does."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 48 'ayes', 60 'nos'. House Bill 2874 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 2876, Representative LeFlore. Mr. Clerk."

"This Bill has been read a Second time previously, Amendments #1 and #2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2876, a Bill for an Act concerning Small Business Security Bonds. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2876, creates a Small Business Surety Bonding Guarantee Act. This program will be administrated by the Insurance Department, Illinois Insurance Department and it creates the fund for to assist small business and also large business as far as bonding. I feel that this particular transaction is needed give that assistance, that financial assistance, we have many small contractors who at many times receive contracts but 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 they can't get the surety bonding for the contract. So therefore I'm introducing this Bill and I'd like to have a favorable vote."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Black."

"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I must rise in reluctant opposition to the Gentleman's Bill. I come from a family that's owned and operated a small business for sixty-five years. This legislation seems to apply only to business undertaken with governmental bodies and utilities, the fiscal impact from the Department of Insurance is one million dollars. I don't know where that money is coming from. We got some problems to workout. I urge a 'no' vote."

"Representative Weaver."

"Thank you, very much Mr. Speaker. We tried to work with this Bill in committee, it just didn't seem to work out and we have discovered the previous Speaker indicated a million dollar cost. That is simply the administrative cost, add to that another one point five million dollars cost of the program and the total fiscal impact is two and half million dollars. We simply don't have the money, I urge a 'no' or 'present' vote on this."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'm only asking for the substantive Bill, I'm not asking for... I understand there is a cost for this program. But, we need this program in order to assist our small contractors."

"Have all voted? Yeah, proceed."

"We...we can spend money for other things, but when it come down for something that is creative, something will produce jobs, something that would enhance people, we 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 always is up to bulk against the appropriation. I'm not asking for appropriation, I'm asking for the substantive Bill, so I need your favorable vote."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor...Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, will take the record. On this Bill, there are 64 'ayes', 49 'nos'. Representative Black."

"I must rise to request a verification Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Clerk, Poll those not voting."

"Poll of those not voting. Bob Olson, no further."

"Proceed with the Poll of the Affirmative."

"Balanoff. Bowman. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Edley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Lou Jones. Shirley Jones. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Morrow. Mulcahey. Munizzi. Novak. Phelps. Preston. Rice. Richmond. Saltsman. Santiago. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Trotter. Turner. Van Duyne. White. Williams. Wolf. Woolard. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge, and Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Breslin would like leave to be verified, she's right here. Representative Tony Young, right here and Representative Art Turner and Paul Williams. Anyone else? Representative Steczo. Proceed, Mr. Black."

"Alright, Mr. Speaker. Let's see if we can do this as quickly as possible. Representative DeLeo."

"Deleo, Mr. Deleo here? Gentleman is not, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Sutker?" 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Sutker, Sutker, Representative Cal Sutker, remove him from the Roll. No, here he is. Sutker's here put him back on, 'aye' vote." "Representative DeJaegher?"

"DeJaegher is...Mr. DeJaegher, Representative DeJaegher, Gentleman's not here remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Levin?"

"Mr. Levin. There he is. He's here."

"Representative Martinez?"

"Martinez Representative Martinez? Martinez. Martinez here? Representative Ellis Levin you've been verified now. Martinez. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Capparelli?"

"He's here."

"Is he here?"

"Yes, he's right here."

"Representative Leverenz?"

"He's here."

"Representative Mautino?"

"He's here."

"Van Duyne?"

"Representative Van Duyne? Van Duyne? He's not here remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Flinn?"

"Representative Wyvetter Younge, would like to be Black: verified she's right here. Representative Monroe Flinn? Oh, there he is. Flinn and... Bruce Richmond are right here." "Representative Bowman?"

"Bowman is here."

"Nothing further."

"On this Bill, there are 60 'ayes', 49 'nos'. House Bill 2876 having received the Constitutional Majority 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3183. Bill, Mr. Clerk." May 18, 1990

Read the Clerk O'Brien: "House Bill 3183, a Bill for an Act in relation to recycling of newsprint. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Edley."

"Mr. Edley. Withdraw #1, further Amendments?"

"Withdraw #1."

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Edley."

"Withdraw Amendment #2."

"Withdraw Amendment #2, further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Edley."

"Mr. Edley."

"Yes, I'd like to speak to that Amendment."

"Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly, this is the exact copy of an Amendment we've previously placed on a Bill. House Bill 4152...this morning. It creates the Recycled Newsprint Act, this is the product of a Speaker's task force on newspaper recycling. Its a voluntarily program the first three years, where we set a certain goal for a newspapers throughout the state to reach. If they reach that goal, then the Act becomes inoperative, if they don't reach the goal then we have mandatory goals, mandatory, a percentage of recycled newsprint for 1994. If there's any questions, I'll respond. It's an agreed to Bill with the Press Association as well."

"Does anyone stand in opposition to this? 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day Black: Question of Mr. Black." One question, I think explained it under the If they can't meet the There are no penalties "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. the Gentleman has adequately mandatory section Representative. goal, you given them several outs. involved if the market isn't there, they can't buy it, etc. Correct?"

"Yes, there is."

"Thank you very much."

"Representative Dunn."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have question about the penalty provision is that in or out of the Bill?"

"That's in the Bill."

"And the Press Association has agreed to this penalty provision?"

"It's my understanding that they have agreed to it."

"The reason I ask is when they were going into the last meeting of the newspaper recycling task force..."

"Representative Edley, you mean they were neutral or did you mean they have agreed to the Bill?"

"I have just learned that they have agreed to it."

"Thank you."

"I mean agreed to be neutral on the Bill, yeah."

"And it's because of the penalty provision, I think isn't it?"

"Let me clarify that, they have agreed to be neutral on the Bill with the penalty clause." you,

"Thank Mr. Speaker. To the Bill, I think the reason the Press Association is neutral is that there is a criminal penalty provided in the legislation and I think they feel that may be, that may raise constitutional questions about taxing those who provide us with free speech. So I think this Amendment does need a little more 87  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 work. I oppose the Amendment."

"Question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3183, a Bill for an Act in relation to recycling of newsprint. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I wanted to commend the Members of the task force, Representative Giglio and Edley and all the other Members that did a good job. This is an Agreed Bill, and I...it's a step in the right direction, and I would move for the passage of House Bill 3183."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 112 'ayes', 1 'no'. House Bill 3183 having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill... Representative Morrow would have voted 'aye' on that Bill. Let the record so indicate. House Bill 3317, Representative Shaw. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3317, a Bill for an Act...this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Currie and Shaw."

"Representative Currie." 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. The Amendment clarifies that penalties will not apply to individual paramedics, but establishes the opportunity for the Department of Public Health to impose fines against private ambulance companies. I move for the adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3317, a Bill for an Act in relation to emergency medical services. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Shaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a piece of legislation that arises out of a incident dealing with the trama units up in Chicago, early part of this year. And as a result the Appropriation II Committee met and investigated the situation, and we out of that committee hearing comes this piece of legislation. And the Department of Public Health is on board with this, and as far as I know all of the groups that are concerned with this legislation have signed off on it. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are lll 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 3317 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3360...3363, Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3363, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day #1 offered by Representative Hicks."

"Representative Hicks." May 18, 1990

"Yes, this is a technical Amendment just simply cleaning up problems we had in the drafting of the original Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3363, a Bill for an Act to amend the Real Estate Licensing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a Real Estate Licensure Law. That's something we've been working on for some time as a continuing education Bill for real estate license holders. There is a grandfather clause in it. And I'd be happy to try to answer any questions."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' Representative Homer. All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Homer to explain his vote."

"I rise...I'm voting support of the Bill. But I want to say that I've heard from some of my realtors who complain about that grandfather clause. And I think rightly argue that those realtors who have held licenses for 10 years or more, are the very people who perhaps ought to have the continuing education requirement since there's been a lot of change in real estate law since that time. But I understand it was necessary to...to get a Bill agreed to by the association to take care of those older members, but I would urge and encourage them to pursue continuing 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 education SO that it won't be necessary for this General Assembly to later provide an Amendment to cover all of the licensed realtors."

"Representative Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. We could try to solve part of that problem. We took it from 10 years to 15 years now, for the grandfather clause. So, it is a longer period of time. A lot of people are excluded, and are not included in the grandfather clause."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are lll 'ayes', 2 'nos'. House Bill 3363 having received Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3597, Representative Kirkland. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3597, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Kirkland."

"Representative Kirkland."

"Withdraw, please."

"Withdraw. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Kirkland."

"Representative Kirkland."

"Amendment #2 applies to that part of the Bill that allows the department will allow the department to close a file when there's federal court litigation on the same issue. This would also add state court litigation."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?" 91  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Flowers."

"Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. Amendment #3 limits the Bill effect only to contracts with the state and not with local government. And I would urge for the adoption of Amendment #3."

"Is there any opposition? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3597, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Kirkland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is in three parts. One part makes some grammatical changes to clarify the jurisdictional coverages are cumulative. And also the Bill then also defines ineligible bearer as a person who's...persons who have prior to a bid opening have filed an employer report form with the Department of Human Rights and the Bill then would require that both public contractors and eligible bidders to refrain from unlawful discrimination employment to undertake Affirmative Action comply with agency procedures and provide relevant information to the department. And the third part of the Bill is what I described with the Amendment. The department will now have the option to close a file when the people involved in the file have chosen to process their case through federal or state court litigation."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 114 'ayes', 1 'no'. House Bill 3597 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3632, Representative Bugielski. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3632, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Bugielski."

"Representative Bugielski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would to table Amendment #1. And Amendment #2..."

"Mr. Clerk...Mr.Clerk, was Amendment #1 adopted in committee?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be tabled?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Bugielski."

"Representative Bugielski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2, what we have done, is we have changed from the previous Amendment is that now the DCCA can only give out loans to 'for profit' businesses and not grants. That's only for the loans and that what Amendment #2 does."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, could you just tell me how Amendment #2 differs 93  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 from Amendment #1?"

"Amendment #1 was able to give grants and loans to 'for profit' businesses. Amendment #2 can only give loans now. They cannot give a grant...to a 'for profit' business."

"Well, well, okay, thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted? Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3632, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Promotion Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bugielski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill would allow the department to assist tourism attractions and businesses to make much need renovations and improvements in an effort to improve the tourism industry in the State of Illinois."

"The question is, 'Shall the Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 106 'ayes', 5 'nos'. House Bill 3632 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3753, Representative Edley. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3753, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Edley." 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Representative Edley."

"Thank you very much. This Amendment provides some sunshine on the operations of four regional tourism councils in the State of Illinois. Currently these councils operate on a closed board meeting. This would...Amendment would make their meetings public as well as their records available. DCCA is neutral on the..."

"Does anyone rise in opposition? The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3753, a Bill for an Act concerning certain not for profit organizations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Edley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly. This Bill has a previous Amendment on it as well as requiring employees of the tourism council to make their financial interests known to the Board of Directors before votes are taken concerning any kind of financial interest they may have in the...the board's actions. I ask for a favorable vote."

"Does anyone rise in opposition to the Bill? Representative Dunn, do you rise in opposition to this?"

"I don't know I want to ask one question."

"One question."

"Does this apply to local tourism councils as well as at the state level?"

"This applies to only four regional tourism councils, it does not apply to the local convention bureaus and such."

"Thank you." 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 3...104 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 3753 having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill...Representative Shirley Jones, would have voted 'aye', and Representative Art Turner would have voted 'aye' on that Bill. House Bill 3902, Representative Steczo. Re...Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"House Bill 3902, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Petka."

"Representative Petka."

"Mr. Speaker, would you please withdraw that Amendment?"

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Steczo."

"Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 makes the Bill applicable to Will County only. And I would move for it's adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3902, a Bill for an Act concerning condemnation by certain special districts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Steczo." 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

May 18, 1990 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Last year the General Assembly dealt with a situation in Kane County, this Bill extends that to Will County where some districts have used their condemnations powers and secured a determination of value of property from the property owners and then drop it, and leaving the property owners in the state of the twilight zone, for instance. This would help correct that, and I would move for the passage of the Bill, and ask for 'yes' votes."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 109 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 3902 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3989. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3989, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Didrickson."

"Representative Didrickson."

"Amendment #1 would strip the minimum teachers' salary in the School Code. It's sat at $10,000 for a great long time. Putting such a minimum requirement in the statutes, becomes obsolete in a very quick way. Salaries obviously should be bargained, and I believe that we should just endorse Amendment #1 and remove such a minimum out of the School Code."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. Amendment's defeated. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Hicks." May 18, 1990

"Representative Hicks. Withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Hicks."

"Representative Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 to House Bill 3989 takes care of my commitment in the committee that I would change the beginning date on this, and I changed it from the effective school year 1991 to effective 1991-1992 school year."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4 offered by Representative Didrickson."

"Representative Didrickson. Withdraws Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3989, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3989 is a Minimum Teachers' Salary Bill. It affects some 6,000 teachers through out the State of Illinois. It changes the minimum teachers' salary from the current level that was adopted in 1980, from $1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 effecting the School Code and putting in an increase mandated minimum teachers' salary is not going to correct what his projected shortage is, and I would think that a 'no' vote on this is the exact, correct vote."

"Anything further? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Representative Parke."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I...I'm, I will tell you this Bill passes, you are mandating a tax increase to every school district in the State of Illinois who will have to pay for not only the increased salary of this, of the minimum, but all the ripple effect of all the other teachers that are above them who will want to have a much because of seniority, and additional educational experience, want to have a higher amount of income. I think this is a bad precedent for us to continue to tell our school districts how they are to operate. This is another mandate which will ensue a local property tax referendum that you, by voting 'yes' on, are guaranteeing that there will be a referendum on the ballot when this pay increase goes into effect."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 77 'ayes', 25 'nos', 7 voting 'present'. House Bill 3989 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Back to the House Supplemental #1. Second Reading, House Bill 4190. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments? 4190."

"House Bill 4190, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

Keane." May 18, 1990 "Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative

"And Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, we'll withdraw that and..."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments?"

Giorgi."

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative "Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #3 makes the 4190 a shell Bill because there are a lot of problems in here in the Bill that weren't corrected the first time around. We'd want some time...the conference committee. So, I would move for the adoption of the Amendment that makes it a shell Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?" "No further Amendments." "Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4190, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to construction operation regulation and maintenance for the system of toll highways. Third Reading of the Bill."

"With the exception of House Bill 3811, that has been removed from the Agreed Bill list. Mr. Clerk, have all the Bills been read a third time?"

"All Bills have been read a third time."

"The question is, 'Shall these Bills pass on the Agreed Bills #2...Supplemental Calendar #1, Agreed Bill list #2?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Mr. Clerk take the record. The 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Clerk is now passing out a change of vote lists. The pages will now pass out the change of vote list. And you will have one hour to fill your change of vote, and turn it into the Clerk's office. Those votes will then be tallied, and we will announce the results of this Roll Call later this afternoon. Re... House Bill 4050, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr...out of the record. House Bill 4084, Representative Ryder. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4084, this Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Ryder."

"Representative Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 becomes the Bill. It establishes an Advisory Committee to determine the correct way to govern the school for the deaf, school for the visually impaired, and children's school rehabilitation center. I move for it's adoption."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4084, a Bill for an Act concerning jurisdiction and administration of state residential schools for children with disabilities. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment became the Bill. I'd be glad to answer any questions. And ask for it's adoption." 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4099, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act providing for the enforcement of certain state and local food handling and health regulations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative McCracken."

"Just an explanation of vote. I've been advised the Department of Public Health is working on the matter, and discussions are ongoing. Thank you."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 112 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 4099 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4196, Representative Cullerton."

"House Bill 4196, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendments #1 and...1 was withdrawn and 2 lost. Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have modified Amendment #2 which we debated at great length dealing with the NCAA, and I've removed from the Bill the criminal penalties that seemed to concern a number of the Members. So, now were talking about basically Representative Johnson's original Bill, with the exception that it doesn't apply to the current NCAA investigation. And we also provided for the Bill that deals with a stipend, but unlike Representative Shaw's Bill, we put a cap of $250 per month. And I would reiterate that also this Bill doesn't that section of the Bill does not go into effect unless five other states, out 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 of a total of ten midwestern states also adopt a similar measure. I move for it's adoption."

"Representative McCracken."

"Yes, it's unfortunate for some reason Representative Johnson was publ...punished by the Speaker, and his Bill which was identical to the first part of this Amendment except for the fact that this does not apply to the current investigation was stripped out of a Bill. Now, it's five Democratic Cosponsors for reasons I still don't understand. I am relieved to see the criminal violations taken out of the Amendment, however, because that was a truly awful idea. So, I suppose on the merits we're okay, but we're disappointed in the way it's been handled."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4196, a Bill for an Act concerning college athletics. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 71 'ayes', 37 'nos'. House Bill... Representative Wennlund."

"Mr. Speaker, I was off the floor when the vote on House Bill 3989..."

"Let me finish this, please. On this Bill, there are 71 'ayes', and 37 'nos'. House Bill 4196 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was off the House floor 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 when on the vote on House Bill 3989. Will the record please reflect that I would have voted 'yes', had I been here?"

"Yes it will. House Bill 3811, Rep... House Bill 3811, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3811...."

"It was taken off the Agreed List."

"House Bill 3811, this Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Currie."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The Amendment, although a large one is in fact a technical one, drafted in cooperation with the Department of Public Aid and the Department of Professional Regulation. I'd be happy to answer your questions, and I would appreciate your support."

"Representative Johnson."

"That's ridiculous. You really insult all of us, Representative Currie, to say this is a technical Amendment. Let's...let's tell everybody what this Amendment does."

"Point of personal privilege. It is a technical Amendment. You may..."

"No...no, I'm not asking you a question. I'll talk about the Amendment."

"Representative Currie, on a point of personal...Representative Currie, on a point of personal privilege." 105  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, it is a technical Amendment. If the person who's just risen to speak want's to talk about the merits of the Bill, and wants to discuss the substance of the Amendment, he's welcome to do so, but it is a technical Amendment."

"Representative Johnson."

"Well, okay, I'll wait until Third Reading. This is not a technical Amendment, nor a technical Bill, but if she wants me to talk about it at that stage, I'll do it."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed...Representative Dunn."

"Well, I want to speak about this Amendment twice."

"Very well."

"Once...once now, and once on Third Reading."

"Well, certainly. Proceed, Sir."

"I...this is...this Amendment certainly is technical, but it is not technical in the sense that we represent an Amendment to be technical on this floor. What this Amendment says is that, anyone who is behind in child support and who is licensed by the Department of Professional Regulations, shall not have a license renewed while they are in arrears on child support. And if anyone thinks that is a technical Amendment, that's a merely Amendment, they've got another thing coming. This is a very fundamental change in our statutes in Illinois. And once again it puts the Department of Public Aid, which has not done the best job in the world at collecting child support payments in charge of the Divorce Laws of the State of Illinois. I don't think they are the persons to make these decisions. The Amendments of our Divorce Laws should be done in consideration of the Family Law Sections of the respective Bar Associations, and with the input from 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 everyone who's interested, not just the Department of Public Aid. This is a bad Amendment, and should be defeated. And I would ask for a Roll Call vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Zickus to explain her vote."

"Yes, the purpose of the Licensing Act is to provide state oversite of the various professions, and to insure that persons involved in a particular professional practice, that they do that in a lawful manner. This Bill establishes a disciplinary mechanism for something that has nothing to do with a licensee's professional conduct."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"The Bill is essentially...the Bill essentially allows the Department of Public Aid to tell the Department of Professional Regulations to suspend someone's license. Yes, there's a precedent for doing so, such action can be taken for nonpayment of taxes and student loans. But just because there is a precedent, it doesn't mean it's a good idea."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative Currie."

"Just to explain my vote, Mr. Speaker. This is a technical Amendment to a Bill. Ordinarily we give the Sponsors the courtesy of permitting them to amend their Bills in connection, in this case, with advice from the Departments of Public Aid and Professional Regulation. If you want to vote against a Bill that will help children secure the dollars that are owed them under court orders, you can vote 'no' on the Amendment, and 'no' on the Bill. But is a disgraceful discourtesy to a Member of this Chamber to say that you will not make sure that the Bill is in appropriate order, when you decide to vote it down. If 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 you want to be for the deadbeat dads, if you want to make sure the tax payers pick up the slack, you could oppose this Amendment, you can oppose this Bill. The Amendment and the Bill have the strong support of the Task Force on Child Support, of all the advocacy groups for women and their children in the state. If you want to oppose them, you're welcome to do so..."

"Give the Lady your attention."

"...you might wait for Third Reading."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment, there are 39 'ayes', 62 'nos'. And the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Do you wish to call the Bill? Out of the record. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"We're going to the Order of State Government Administration, Third Reading. The Sponsors are: Bugielski, Terzich, Homer, Curran, Krska, Matijevich, etc. Please be ready to present your Bill. We will try to have one proponent and one opponent, so please listen carefully. The first Bill is, House Bill 890, Representative Bugielski. Out of the record. House Bill 2924, Representative Terzich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2924, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Madam Speaker. This Bill was amended and the Amendment is the Bill. And what it does is it provides a stipend for the sheriffs that are in control of the jails. At one point the I'd like to address that the amounts are small, that's directly in relationship to prison population that each sheriff is responsible for, and I would urge it's 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day adoption. Association." May 18, 1990

It's sponsored by the Illinois Sheriff's Speaker Breslin: "The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2924, does anyone rise in opposition? There being...the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Williams."

"Yes, I just wanted to know, originally I believe the Cook County Bar was opposed to this legislation, does it stand in opp...I mean not the Cook County, but the Chicago Bar. Does..."

"No, I...I said the Bill was amended, and that's out."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2924 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Representative Hultgren. One minute to explain your vote."

"Wondering if the Sponsor could either shake his head 'yes' or 'no'. There was so much noise, I didn't hear your explanation of the Bill. Is the stipend a state paid stipend or a county paid stipend? State paid? Thank you."

"Have all voted who wish? Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 93 voting 'aye', 13 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3025, Mr. Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3025, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill does two things. Now, it provides that there will be a $10,000 per year pay..."

"Put on, Mr. Homer. Proceed." 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Yes, thank you. The Bill provides that in counties where there is one or more state correctional institutions that the circuit clerk shall receive a fee of $10,000 per year for the purpose of employing one additional person to perform services concerning the filings as a result of inmates that are in that institution. And also provides for a redefinition of state university with respect to the provision that allows for payments to county state's attorneys that have state universities within their counties to include public community colleges which have an inter institutional cooperation program with the state university leading to a Baccalaureate Degree known as a Two-Plus-Two Degree program. I would move for the passage of the Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3025. Does anyone rise in opposition? Representative Countryman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this. I think the Amendment that redefines state university is absurd really. To say when you have a junior college program and something else, that that's the same as a state university program in a small area just does not, is not reality. Now, you can pass it if you wish, but you will take away from the impaction which the State of Illinois causes to communities such as I represent and people who represent the Champaign-Urbana area, and the Macomb area, and all of those, when you put in a small communities 25 or 30,000 extra people and many times young people, good quality people, you...you tax the service of those communities. You take away from the tax rolls, many acres of land, and you don't deal with impaction realistically. It's the taxpayers of DeKalb County, of McDonough County, of 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Champaign County that are bore...the burden all of these extra services over the years. We're going in the wrong direction if we amend this to allow Rock Island County to get special treatment for people who are no more than doing their graduate work at the junior college level. Let's save it for the state universities that we send the students to across the state. And I oppose the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3025 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative DeJaegher, one minute to explain your vote."

"John, you're rather fortunate that you have a major university in your locale. I think what we're doing is trying to create a university atmosphere in our particular area. We've been working with Western. Western is totally supportive of this program. We're improving our education standard in Rock Island County by offering the Two-Two...Two-Plus-Two Program which will provide education for those people in our particular area without travs...without traveling the needed distance to go to Western. I feel that is a very good Bill. The Amendment was put one just recently, and I think this is crucial that Rock Island County has this type of input."

"Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 voting 'aye', 41 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3121, Mr. Curran. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3121, a Bill for an Act to amend the Children and Family Services Act. Third Reading of the Bill." 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Curran." May 18, 1990 "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3121 changes the way in which we respond to the occasion of child abuse in the State of Illinois. Currently, when a child is abused and someone reports it, we send out an investigator and then later we send out a case worker to take care of the problem. Sometimes you hear, and you've been hearing over the years of children who suffer horribly. Sometimes you hear of children who suffer horribly in spite, of the fact, that their case is under the state's care. Where an investigator or a case worker is already on the case. One of the reasons that children are hung upside down in closets and beaten for months and suffer horrible deaths, more horrible then any of us can imagine, is because our case workers and our investigators are far overburdened. And the reason they are overburdened is because this chamber, and the chamber across the hall, while we live in luxury ourselves, have bestowed upon the children of this state circumstances which are beyond those children's control, and our response to that...those circumstances is grossly insufficient. This Bill would provide a gradual reduction in the case load of the DCFS case workers down to 25 to 1 and the investigators down to 12 to 1 over a period of about four years. This would not bring us into compliance with the suggestions of the National Association of the Child Abuse...for the Prevention of Child Abuse, nor would it bring us into compliance with the Children's Defense Funds. It would leave us inadequate ov...after four years, but it would at least be a step in the right direction. The Department of Children and Family Services needs our help. Children within a couple thousand feet of this building which you can bet your bottom dollar are going to be abused 112  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 today, abused this week, need our help. This Bill needs your help. Over the last year or so I've had the pleasure of going out to McFarland Zone Center, a mental health facility in my community, and I have asked the superintendent out there, how many of the people who end up in that facility at the cost of 20, 25, 30,000 a year to us. How many of those people have been abused as children? Fortunately the past director had done a study, that...that proved to her that over 90 percent of people who are in McFarland Zone Center, the females there had been abused as children, either sexually or physically abused. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, if we attempt to dodge the problem of child abuse by not putting enough money into the system, they simply...those children don't go away in some balloon and fly over to Minnesota or Wisconsin or Indiana, they end up in our own penal sy...situation...in our own penal institutions. They end up in our mental health facilities. They end up on probation. They end up with lives of despair, and they do so because in occasions such as this, this chamber and other chambers have failed to respond to their needs. House Bill 3121 responds to the needs of abused children. I ask you to look in your heart, and when you read these stories in the paper, when you hear about children who were abused, and beaten, and murdered, that you understand that this legislation is a big step in the right direction toward protecting those children. I'll be glad to answer any questions and I humbly ask for your 'aye' vote on behalf of the children of the State of Illinois."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3121. On that question does anyone rise in opposition? There are several lights flashing, are any of you in opposition? Raise your hand. Representative 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day McCracken." McCracken: May 18, 1990 to "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I do rise in opposition, not to question the Sponsor's desire to improve DCFS' work on behalf of abused children, that's not the point at all. But it is a budgetary issue, the costs are tremendous. Once it's fully in place, it could cost 30 more million dollars and they spend on it now. The DCFS budget started in the Senate, it was cut from it's originally introduced level by $15 million, as originally introduced it did not budget this cost. So that what we have now, is a budget which is about $45 million short of what DCFS would like to accomplish and what the Sponsor of this Bill would like accomplish. We're doing it all over again. We give with one hand, we hope that everyone sees that we're being nice in ordering these case load reductions, but we aren't willing to give the money. Nobody on the other side of the aisle is going to stand up and say I'm supporting a tax increase to earmark money for this. No one has so far at least introduced an Amendment to the appropriation process to bring this money into the picture. The Senate has been cutting millions of dollars from the budget, what it has sent over to us is what we are told is a balanced budget, but it does not include any money for this. We do an injustice to the kids. We do a disservice to the public by making them believe that we can correct this problem by an authorization Bill such as this. I rise in opposition."

"Representative Curran is recognized to close. The rest will be recognized after. Proceed, Sir."

"The public to whom this Bill responds will never read about this, and we will not be fooling them. The public to whom this responds is small children. Many of whom are beaten to death. Let me tell you about two of them. There was a little boy named Robert, 15 months old. And 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 his...and his mother's boyfriend spun him around the room by his ears and the reason we know she spun him around the room by his ears, is that when his ears came off and his head banged up against the wall, the man who killed him threw the ears down in the middle of the room. That boy is dead in a cemetery in Chicago. And let me tell you about a little girl named Christine. She died, they both...those people, both those children were under the care of the Department of Children and Family Services. Both those children, the other one I will mention, had case workers who were handling their cases, that were at 40, 50, 60 cases per case worker, they couldn't begin to do the job. The other little girl, a little girl named Christine, had bruises and broken bones and punctured organs all over her body, but the most graphic thing, the thing that I saw a picture of, was that the skin on her right buttock had been chewed off by her mother. Ladies and Gentlemen, this particular legislation responds to those kinds of problems with children in this state. You can't turn your back on those kids. You can't say that it's just a budgetary matter when children live horrible lives and suffer incomprehensible hardship. Thank you very much."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3121 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Representative Preston, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We will ultimately be judged not by what sports stadiums we build, or what road projects, or municipal convention centers we're able to provide for the people in our districts, but we'll be judged rather by how we treat children in our communities. And especially the least able the least privileged of those children. If you care at all 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 about how the people who...the kids who have the least help from parents and from government are treated, you have to see to it that they're provided with some supervision. You can't supervise 80 children in need. The national average recommendation is 20 children. We have case workers who have 60, 70, and 80 charges. They can't do the job, and as a result of that, children get abused. This is a message that we have to reorder our priorities, and provide the necessary case workers to handle a load that they can actually do..."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 70...on this question, there are 75 voting 'aye', 30 voting 'no', and 10 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3144, Representative Krska. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3144, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Krska."

"Alright, House Bill 3144 amends the Criminal Code of 1961 to provide for the seizure and forfeiture of a vehicle used in a commission of a shooting in a drive-by shooting with attempt to cause death or bodily harm. In the City of Chicago, we're having tremendous amount of drive-by shootings. They're increasingly so rapidly that the police can't even keep up with them. They do stop, but there's no way of doing anything with them. Young people in Chicago, these gang members, put a big emphasis on their vehicles and I believe that if we could start confiscating some of these vehicles, we would have less problems with the drive-by shootings. I would greatly appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3144 pass?' 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Does anyone rise in opposition? May 18, 1990 There being none. The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye'...113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative Williams. Representative Morrow wishes to be recorded to as voting 'aye'. It will be reflected in the record. House Bill 3152, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3152, a Bill for an Act to amend the Retailers Occupation Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill revises the requirements a business must meet to qualify for enterprise zone, sales tax correct a drafting error in some legislation that we passed last year. legislation to Under this a business would be...be required in order to qualify to both invest $40 million and retain 90 percent of the jobs, and would not be an either/or proposition as was incorrectly passed a year ago. Plus, the Bill has on it the Amendment that Representative Hartke advanced that that would...would modify the Enterprise Zone Act make it apply to the Graphic Arts Industry. And I'm informed that with respect to that provision DCCA is now in support, and that Revenue stands neutral. I would move for the passage of the Bill." to

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 3152. Does anyone rise in opposition? Anyone in opposition? Raise your hand if you're in opposition. Okay, Representative Black." 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Madam Speaker, I don't rise in opposition. I think sometimes when you make a mistake you have to get up and say so on the floor. I made a mistake yesterday on Representative Hartke's Amendment. I have since talked with the Department of Commerce Com...and Community Affairs. The Gentleman's to be commended for working it out. I'm sorry that I opposed his Amendment yesterday. It was a misunderstanding and it should fly out of here."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I'm sure this Bill will fly out of here. The real mistake was made by DCCA. DCCA made a commitment to a particular printer in downstate Illinois without realizing that the state statutes did not permit them to make good on that agreement. So DCCA has come to ask us to bail them out. They went to the Department of Revenue, Revenue said you're wrong, this...this provisions that you've offered these people in their contracts does not apply and if you seek to change the law, we're going to oppose you. Well then DCCA went all shame faced, all red faced, all embarrassed I hope to the Revenue and to the Governor's office and said, oh dear, what will happen. So, we're asked to bail them out. This is a lousy way to run state government. I know the Bill will pass, but I'm still going to vote 'no'."

"Have all voted? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3207, Mr. Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3207, a Bill for an Act to amend an 118  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 Act in relation to the court system in counties. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, House Bill 3207 is one of a series of Bills requested by the County of Lake. It would extend the $5 county system fee currently assessed in traffic cases to all other case types, and provide a permissive fee structure for certain offenses under the criminal code. The Bill is a response to the increased volume of cases in the judicial system placing increased demands on local resources. It is a way to generate a revenue stream that more appropriately seeks to place some of the burden of funding from those who utilize the system. I would appreciate your support of House Bill 3207."

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 3207. Does anyone rise in opposition? Being none. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3207 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Myron Olson, one minute to explain your vote." Olson, M.: "I'm sorry. I hit the wrong button."

"Okay. Have all voted who wish? Sixty votes are required. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3337, Mr. Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3337, a Bill for an Act to promote drug free work place. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. We did...we discussed this Bill last night. It...the Amendment became the Bill. It's 119  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 a drug free work place. It is a...an initiative that has been negotiated with...with business and labor to help secure a drug free work place for all contractors who engage in business with the State of Illinois to ensure a high quality product and safety for the workers that are in the work place. I would move for the passage of the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3337 pass?' All those is favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3581, Representative Trotter. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative McCracken for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"We are cooperating by discussing these briefly and moving along. It's not our intention to deprive anybody of a vote wants it on a Bill. But this Bill is on Postponed Consideration. I am asking you to not call these Postponed Consideration Bills until everything has had a chance once."

"Representative McCracken, the Bill has already been called. He will be limited to presenting the Bill and with opposition...one person to speak in opposition. We will not spend a lot of time on it."

"That's not my point. My point is, I don't think people should be getting a second bite at the apple before other Bills have been called a first time. I believe there's an issue of fundamental fairness here, and I want it honored. I do not want Postponed Consideration Bills called in precedent to or over other Bills that have not yet been voted on." 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Trotter, would you come to the podium, please? For the moment we will take this Bill out of the record. House Bill 3600, Representative White. Clerk read the Bill."

"House Bill 3600, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Madam Speaker. Jessie White has a little bit of laryngitis today. House Bill... House Bill 3600 is a Bill that slightly increases aid to nursing homes. Brings them to the 8...80 percentile...percentile...from 75 percentile. And at a cost of $7 million half to be reimbursed by the federal government. I urge your support of the Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 3600. On the question, the Gentleman from Du Page, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you. Well, not only does it cost...well, at least I'm told it costs much more than that. It could cost $26 million in its first full year. But also there were rate increases negotiated last year, which I'm told totaled $40 million. So, I don't think there's any reason to go for this at all. This is not included in the department's budget. The department's budget has already been cut by this House Committee and the House, so that there is nowhere in the budget any money for this essentially an add-on. I rise in opposition."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3600 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Bugielski, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of this Bill, 3600. As you know it's a very traumatic experience to put someone in a nursing home, and just one point, 121  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 Illinois is ranked nineth in economic wealth, and we are ranked forty-second in funding these homes. There's only eight states below us, and those are down in the southern belt. I think it's a shame that a state that ranks nineth in economic wealth is forty-second in funding long term care. So I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"Sixty votes are required for passage. Representative Leverenz, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The esteemed leader on the other side of the aisle does not come to the Conference Committees so, maybe he doesn't know about it. He said the budget already passed here. Well in fact, it did. The fact is that budget is going be looked at by the Senate, and it's going to be looked at by the Conference Committees, and we will adjust it probably until the last day that we're here in Springfield. What he probably doesn't understand, and the red votes that are voting against this good measure don't understand is that these people vote. And it would be very interesting to take a copy of this Roll Call and go through all the nursing homes and find out who wants to take an absentee ballot for the fall election, so that they are fully informed on how they should vote for or against anyone standing for election. And as soon as this gets five more votes, I'll be very happy to sit down and eat my chicken noodle soup."

"Unfortunately your time is up. Bring your remarks to a close, Sir. Have all voted who wish? Sixty votes are required. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 59 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no', 25 voting 'present'. Representative Giorgi asked for a Poll of the Absentees. Poll the absentees, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of those not voting. Petka. Terzich. And 122  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Wait. No further." May 18, 1990

"Representative Terzich votes 'aye'. On this question, there are 60 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no', and 25 voting 'present'. Representative McCracken asks for a verification. Poll the affirmative, Mr. Clerk."

"Balanoff. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Cullerton. Curran. Davis. DeLeo. Dunn. Edley. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Lou Jones. Shirley Jones. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. Mc..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative Matijevich asks leave to be verified. And leave is granted. Proceed, Sir."

"McPike. Morrow. Mulcahey. Munizzi. Novak. Phelps. Preston. Rice. Richmond. Saltsman. Santiago. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Trotter. Turner. Van Duyne. Wennlund. White. Williams. Wojcik. Wolf. Woolard. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge, and Mr. Speaker."

"Any questions of the affirmative?"

"Representative Lou Jones?"

"Representative Jones. Lou Jones. Is the Lady in the chamber? She is not. Remove her from the Roll Call."

"Representative Flowers?"

"The Lady's in the chamber."

"Oh, I'm sorry. Representative Anthony Young?"

"Anthony Young. Representative Young. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Richmond?" 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Richmond. Gentleman is not in the chamber. May 18, 1990 Bruce Richmond. The Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Giglio?"

"Representative Giglio. Representative Giglio. Remove him from the The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Roll Call. Representative Richmond has returned to the chamber, add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'."

"Representative Laurino?"

"Representative Laurino. Bill Laurino. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Curran?"

"Representative Curran. Mike Curran. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Hicks?"

"Mr. Curran has returned to the chamber, add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'. Representative Hicks. Larry Hicks. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call. Excuse me. Representative Parke, for what reason to you seek recognition?"

"Hit it by mistake. Hit it by mistake."

"Would someone turn on Representative Parke, please. Thank you. Mr. Parke."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to change from 'no' to 'present', please."

"Change Representative Parke from 'no' to 'present'. Representative Anthony Young has returned to the chamber, add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'."

"Representative Krska?"

"Representative Krska. Bob Krska. The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Call."

"Representative Capparelli?" May 18, 1990

"Representative Capparelli. Mr. Capparelli. He's here."

"I see him. Representative Monique Davis?"

"Representative Davis is in the chamber."

"Representative John Dunn?"

"Representative Van Duyne. Is that who you asked for? Representative Dunn is in the chamber."

"I asked for...oh, alright. Representative Saltsman?"

"Representative Saltsman. Representative Saltsman. The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative DeLeo?"

"Representative DeLeo. Jim DeLeo. The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Kulas?"

"Representative Kulas is in his chair."

"Nothing further."

"Representative Zickus, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, thank you. I'd like to be recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Change the Lady to 'aye'. Representative Williamson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please vote...change my vote to 'aye'."

"Change Representative Williamson Representative Noland."

"'Aye', please." Speaker Breslin: to 'aye'. "Change Representative Noland to 'aye'. Do you have any more targets over there who want to change their 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day votes? May 18, 1990 Representative DeLeo has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'. Add Representative Saltsman, voting 'aye'. Representative Giglio, voting 'aye'. Representative Hicks, voting 'aye'. There are 60 voting 'aye', 26 voting 'no', 24 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority, Representative Wojcik. Representative Wojcik. Change Representative Wojcik from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Leave to be verified."

"Leave to Representative Leverenz to be verified. He's already finished that."

"Oh, I just...I haven't finished my chicken noodle soup, and we were trying to... I got one of these messages, you know. And I have to stretch this out as far as I can."

"Okay, that's enough Representative Leverenz. Representative Krska has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'. On this question, there are 60 voting 'aye' and this Bill having reached the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. The next Bill is House Bill 3610, Mr. Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3610, a Bill for an Act in relation to the establishment of uniform procedures for the seizure and forfeiture of drug related assets. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Again, this is a Bill that is part of the Drug Task Force that we discussed last night. The Amendment became the Bill. It provides for restructuring of the forfeiture statutes to combine them into a uniform method for accounting for the assets, 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 seizing the assets, and distributing the assets that are seized under various provisions of the Criminal Code, and Chapter 56 and a half. I would move for passage of the Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 3610. On that question, is there any discussion? The question is, 'Shall the Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Flowers. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3623, Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Bill. Stern. Out of the record. House Bill 3825, Representative Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3825, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for the licensing and regulating of certain games of chance. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Stern."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This is the Bill which we amended yesterday which does some clean up stuff on the raffles legislation we passed last year for campaign committees. It provides that a political committee shall be denied a raffle license if the committee has been assessed a civil penalty and failed to comply with the Campaign Disclosure Act. Or if it is more than ten days over due in submitting statutorily required reports. Also, no campaign committee which has been in existence less than a year is eligible. That is the whole Bill, and I ask your 'aye' vote."

"The Lady has moved the passage of House Bill 3825. On the question, is there any discussion? There 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are... Representative Bugielski votes 'aye'. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is declared passed. House Bill 3826, Representative Stern. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. The..."

"Excuse me. The Bill has to be read I believe. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3826, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Stern. Now, Representative Stern."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This is the third Election Bill presented by Representative Rice and myself. This deals with Democratic Party matters, and I would ask this time that you delay long enough on the vote to give him a chance to close. This provides that the women of the Democratic Central Committee shall be know as Democratic Central Committee Women. It provides that each state central committee person shall be a delegate to the state convention, and shall be authorized to appoint two more. It provides that any Democratic State Central Committee man or woman who has been elected for a term which will continue through the reapportionment of a Congressional District shall serve out his or her term."

"The Lady has moved the passage of House Bill 3826. And on that..."

"May Representative... Rice close?" 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

May 18, 1990 "Surely. The Lady has moved the passage of this Bill. Is there any further discussion? Representative Rice, do you care to close?" "Thank you. You heard the merits of the Bill. When in the favor of gender, looking out for our women. We certainly need that. We would appreciate that."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3826 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is declared passed. House Bill 3952, Mr. Novak. Is Mr. Novak here? Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3952, a Bill for an Act concerning organic labeling. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Novak."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3952 creates the Organic Labeling Act. Creates the Organic Certification Accreditation Board to accredit private organizations to certify organic products which may be labeled organic and set standards, provides penalties. There's been a lot of discussion between the various groups. I'd like to name off the groups that had a lot of input in ameliorating all kinds of considerations. The Bill is supported now by the Department of Agriculture, the University of Illinois School of Agriculture, the Illinois Sustainable Ag Society, the Department of Public Health, Organic Farmers Task Force, The Illinois Specialty Growers Association, and the Illinois Stewardship Alliance. In addition to the Lincoln Land Organic Group up in Barrington Hills. This is sort of a new trend in the State 129  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 of Illinois, and I think it's catching on across the nation that a number of farmers pr...prefer to grow produce and certain products without the use of chemicals or pesticides, and by developing certain standards to allow the farmers to indicate to the realtors that if they grow produce, if they raise meat, that it's labeled a certain way, that it doesn't have...hasn't been...certain pesticides and herbicides and other chemicals haven't been used on this particular consumer item. So, it's beneficial to those people that are in the market for purchasing organic foods. I'd be happy to entertain any questions."

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 3952. Does anyone rise in opposition? Representative Doederlein, are you in opposition? Proceed."

"Oh, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know that Representative Novak has worked very hard on this Bill, and he's attempted to be very fair and for that I thank him. The fairness did not come in on the Bill, but came in on the committee hearing. I asked three constituents to come up here to testify in committee on the Bill, and they were not allowed to have their concerns aired. I know he has been working with these constituents and he has progressed on this...on their concerns. But I would like to ask, have all their concerns been addressed, Representative Novak?"

"Representative Novak."

"Representative Doederlein, as we discussed previously, no they have not been addressed. I talked to Mrs. MacArthur, and we are willing to address those concerns. I think that the work we've made and progressed on the House side is admirable. When we get the Bill to the Senate, I think we can take care of those concerns."

"Then you are willing as the Senate Sponsor is 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 willing to work with her too?"

"Yes."

"Alright, thank you very much. Now to the Bill. I really don't believe that this Bill is necessary at this time. The Federal Government has cast out of the Senate a Bill addressing these concerns, and we've lived this long without the Organic Bill, and I think that we can live six months more. So, I would request that we do not vote for this Bill. Thank you very much."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3952 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 101 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is declared passed. House Bill 3958, Mr. Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill. Yes, excuse me. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, this is another Postponed Consideration Bill. This had already been called, defeated for a vote the first time. I would ask...I ask the Chair that we be accorded this fundamental fairness."

"Excuse me. Representative Bowman, would you come to the podium please. Out of the record. House Bill 4008, Representative LeFlore. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4008, a Bill for an Act concerning enforcement of affirmative action. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 4008 insures that there are programs established to train qualified minorities who can be promoted into official management categories of state agencies. Improve the current problems 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 of unutilization of minorities. We have a lot of problems with promotion and training of minorities among state agencies. I could recite a list of those agencies, but I...I know we are pressed for time. So, I would like to urge a passing vote on 4008."

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 4008. On that question, does anyone rise in opposition? In opposition, Mr. McCracken? Proceed, Sir."

"Yes, thank you. I rise in opposition to the Bill. I believe that in fact all this will do is create more bureaucracy. It will not help the advancement of minorities seeking to make better lives for themselves. It's a boone doggle. It will be counter productive. It will cost state money that will go to waste. I rise in opposition."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4008 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Representative Trotter, one minute to explain your vote. I see, the Gentleman indicates he does not wish to speak. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received a Constitution Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4009, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4009, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Capparelli."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yesterday we deleted from the enacting clause everything from this Bill. We'd like to keep it alive. We're trying to work out something on that line, Reciprocal Act. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call." 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4009 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4067, Mr. LeFlore. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. LeFlore."

"House Bill 4067, a Bill for an Act to amend the Narcotics Profit Forfeiture Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative LeFlore. Representative LeFlore, this is your Bill. Do you wish to call it? We have already read it, and we're waiting for you."

"We need to bring it back to Second, Madam Speaker."

"Return the Bill to the Order of Second for the purposes of an Amendment. Does he have leave? Hearing no objection, leave is granted. Are there any Amendments filed, Mr. Clerk."

"Floor Amendment #5 offered by Representative Weller."

"Representative Weller."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #5 and I thank the Sponsor for allowing me to attach the Amendment. The Amendment becomes the Bill. It establishes a task force to research and make recommendations on a need to address the high rate of recidivism of teenagers following drug treatment, which is about 82 percent always seem to be going back. It establishes a Public-Private Sector Task Force which would have to be established by this fall to report by March 1991. Has no fiscal impact. The General Assembly would determine if they want to reject, improve or 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day adapt...adopt the recommendations. May 18, 1990 There's no known opposition. I ask for an 'aye' vote, and move for the Amendment's adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 5 be adopted?' Representative Williams do you seek recognition, Sir to speak on this Amendment? The question is, 'Shall Amendment 5 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Le... LeFlore now asks leave for immediate consideration of this Bill as amended this day. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, leave is granted. Representative LeFlore. Read the Bill. Excuse me."

"House Bill 4067, a Bill for an Act concerning drugs and alcohol. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think Representative Weller explained the Bill... the Amendment which becomes the Bill. So, I ask for a favorable vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4067 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4208, Representative Davis. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4208, a Bill for an Act in relation to public assistance benefits. Third Reading of the Bill."

"There is an Amendment filed on the Bill do you 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 wish to have it heard. The Lady asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second for an Amendment. Does she have leave? Hearing no objections, leave is granted. Representative Davis on Amendment #5."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Amendment becomes the Bill. As most of you know, currency exchanges in Illinois enjoy a virtual monopoly on the cashing of public aid checks in our state. This Bill will give them competition with the banks being allowed to cash public aid checks. This simple, reasonable approach would allow public aid recipients to cash checks at banks rather than only currency exchanges. At the request of the Department of Public Aid, we've instituted strict identification requirements in order to cash a check. We also are requiring public aid recipients to promptly notify the department of lost or stolen checks. The major difference between this Amendment and the Amendment rejected last night is that we responded to the concerns of the banking institution, and we...we want to guarantee that they won't be held liable for the checks that are cashed. I think the result is a sensible proposal and a good Bill. And I would like your support for this Amendment. I'd be available for questions. Thank you."

"The Lady has moved the adoption of Amendment 5 to House Bill 4208. On that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you. The Banker's Association supports the Amendment and asked me to support it and I do."

"The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Amendment 5 is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Third Reading. Representative Davis now asks leave for immediate consideration of this Bill as amended this day. Is there any objection? Hearing none, leave is granted. Present the Bill, Representative Davis."

"House Bill 4208, a Bill for an Act in relation to public assistance benefits. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Davis."

"We request passage of House Bill 4208."

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4208. The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this... Did I announce that Roll Call, Mr. Clerk? There...lll voting 'aye', so House Bill 4208 having reached the Constitutional Majority is declared passed. Representative Parke, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentleman of the House, as we all know we will not be session next week. I have Memorial Day speeches for those people that feel they may need one for the upcoming holiday. I'll be passing them around shortly."

"The next Order is State and Local Government, Second Reading. The Sponsors are: Flinn. Giorgi. Matijevich. Leverenz. Bugielski. Williams, etc. Please be prepared to present your Amendments, and your Bill. The first Bill is House Bill 2399, Representative Flinn. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2399, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #37 was adopted previously."

"Are there any further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments." 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

May 18, 1990 "Third Reading. Representative Flinn now asks leave for immediate consideration of this Bill. Excuse me, he has the right to have the Bill heard. So, read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2399, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Flinn."

"Madam Speaker, thank you. This is the drug testing Bill for people on probation. It was thoughly explained last night. If there are any questions, I'd be glad to answer them. Otherwise, I move for the adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved the passage of House Bill 2399. On the question, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby...on this question, there are 110 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Agreed Bill list will be called for a final vote at 2:00. If you have Bills on this list you wish vote 'no', 'present', or not vote on, please get your slips to us by 2:00. Thank you. The next Bill, on State and Local Government, Second Reading, is Senate Bill...or rather House Bill 2991, Representative Giorgi. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Leone: to "House Bill 2991, a Bill for an Act to amend the Sanitary Districts Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Floor Amendment #1 is being offered by Representative Daniels - Kubik."

"Representative Kubik."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #1 would simply require..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Kubik. Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"I question the germaneness of Amendment #1."

"Okay, we'll look at it. Representative Kubik, the Chair rules that your Amendment is not germane. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Daniels - Jack Kubik."

"Representative Cullerton questions the germaneness of that Amendment also. Could we see that Amendment? Representative McCracken... Representative Kubik, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"I'll wait for the Chair's ruling, then I'd like to make a statement, Madam."

"Very good. Representative Kubik, this Amendment is not germane either. Now would you like to make a statement. Representative Kubik."

"Inquiry of the Chair. First of all, I'd like to know why it's not germane, and secondly, I'd like to know why...secondly like to know if Amendment #2 is not germane for the same reason that Amendment #1 is not germane."

"Representative Kubik, the reason that Amendment #1 and 2 are not germane is that the Bill...the orig...the underlying Bill amends the Sanitary District Act, while the Amendments you propose amend the Revenue Act. Representative Kubik."

"Well, Madam Speaker, the underlying Bill allows sanitary district to levy increases in property taxes without 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 the...without referendum. My Amendments deal with the issue of property taxes and limitations on property taxes. So, Ι...Ι would question why those...the Amendments would not be germane to the Bill. If they deal with the same subject, it would seem to me that they would be germane."

"I'm sorry I don't think they deal with the same subject. They have to deal with these particular kinds of taxes."

"But what the underlying Bill is talking about is increasing property taxes. These are...we're talking about property taxes in these particular Amendments."

"Good try. But it's still not germane. Are there any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Floor Amendment #3 offered by Representative Daniels - Kubik."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Question the germaneness, and I would ask for the same reason to be employed with regards to this, since it's the same Amendment."

"Okay, thank you. Representative McCracken for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Have you ruled on 3 yet?"

"No."

"Why don't you give me that ruling, then I have a Motion."

"Representative McCracken, the Chair rules that Amendment 3 is not germane. You're recognized for a Motion."

"Thank you. I move to overrule the Chair as to all three Motions and consider it on a single Roll Call. I make...and I would like to open debate on that."

"Proceed."

"These Bills or...these Amendments which have been 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 ruled nongermane all concerned property tax and property tax relief. One of them is the Edgar Plan, known as the Edgar Plan after Jim Edgar. It limits property tax increases to cost of living changes, and in the absence of that or in the face of a larger proposed raise in the tax rates, requires a referendum. The only way we are going to give our people local property tax relief is to control the spending. Period. All the exotic formulas, all the exemptions, all these other things don't mean much of anything. Spending is the key. There have been many Democrat proposals to limit spending none of which have seen the light of day. Our Bill has not seen the light of day, because you kill the...the Revenue Bills of Republican Sponsors, because you do not allow Amendments to reach the vote stage. We are forced to do this. Move to overrule the Chair in order to have heard in this forum, the most important issue to every citizen in Illinois. And for that reason, I move to overrule the Chair. We want Roll Call votes on the Motion. We want Roll Call votes on these Amendments. It is vital to the people. And if you don't think so, just look at the press. They're whizzing away with their pencils now. This is the issue that's here today. Nothing else matters."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Rather than tie up the House, I've done my deed. I'll take the Bill out of the record."

"Out of the record. House Bill 3148, Representative Matijevich. Mr. Matijevich. Out of the record. House Bill 3275, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3275, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to criminal information systems. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee." 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #2 would provide that the executive director would serve for a term of two years. And that would be the entire Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 3275. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Out of the record. House Bill 3498, Representative Bugielski. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3498, a Bill for an Act to amend the Medical Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Representative... Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Matijevich - Cullerton."

"Representative Matijevich. Withdraw the Amendment. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Bugielski."

"Representative Bugielski."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. The Amendment becomes the Bill. House Bill 3498 makes clear that the confidential investigatory file of the department remains confidential unless there is a public 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 complaint filed by the disciplinary board against the physician and parts of the investigation file are used as evidence to discipline."

"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 3498. On the question, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the chair the 'aye's have it are there any further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Bugielski asks leave for immediate consideration of this Bill as amended this day. Any objections? Hearing none, the Gentleman has leave. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3498, a Bill for an Act to amend the Medical Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bugielski."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. You just heard what the Bill does...with the Amendment becomes the Bill. An agreement has been reached between the department, the Illinois Medical Society and the Trial Lawyers. And I ask an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3498 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Representative Williams, one minute to explain your vote."

"I just wanted to know, the Trial Lawyers were opposed to this. Are they still opposed?"

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 111...113 voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3567, Representative Williams. Clerk, 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day read the Bill." May 18, 1990

"House Bill 3567, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #4 was adopted previously."

"The Gentleman... Representative... Are there any Motions or Amendments?"

"No Motions to Amendment #4. Floor Amendment #5 is being offered by Representative Williams."

"Yes, I would like to table Amendment #4."

"Okay. The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #4. On that question, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 4 be tabled?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it. And Amendment 4 is tabled. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Williams."

"Representative Williams."

"Yes, Amendment #5 basically is the product of the negotiations between the department and the Work Welfare Coalition. And I...it's an agreed, as I understand it, an agreed upon Amendment. And I urge it's adoption."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment 5 to House Bill 3567. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question...the Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Madam Speaker, I just had one question. What does this have any effect on the program that we now have called Project Chance?"

"The program in general deals with certain guidelines for Project Chance. It does affect the general area. It doesn't in any way harm the program."

"So it doesn't initiate a new program, it just stimulates or initiates guidelines within the existing program." 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day

"Correct."

"Thank you."

"The quest...the question is, 'Shall Amendment 5 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3567, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Williams."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill, as I just explained, 3567 it's an attempt to try to deal with certain rules and other aspects of the department and Work Welfare Coalition. I've been working on in order to make the Project Chance comply with the Federal Family Support Act. It tries to make sure that we be in compliance to maximize our dollar and also the effectiveness of the program. And I urge it's passage of House Bill 3567."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3567. And on the question, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Representative Lou Jones, do you wish to speak? She indicates she does not. Turn off her light, please. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are lll voting 'aye'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a Page who has brought a cheeseburger for someone and cannot remember who ordered it. He's down...up, it's 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day right over here. May 18, 1990 Okay. Representative Steczo, I guess, they're saying. Representative White, up there. Representative Leverenz."

"Yes, this was for Al Greiman,"

"The next Bill is House Bill 3587, Representative Didrickson. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3587, a Bill for an Act to amend the Ambulatory Surgical Treatment Center Act. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 being offered by Representative Didrickson."

"Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 virtually becomes the Bill. It seeks to amend the Ambulatory Surgical Treatment Center Act and includes the definition of ambulatory surgical treatment center authorized to provide postsurgical care. There is some language in here that has...I've been asked to include with regards to enforcement procedures and fines in order to strengthen the ASTC Act by the Department of Public Health. The basic guts of the Bill directs the Governor to appoint a five member Postsurgical and Obstetrical Center Board to oversee six pilot projects in the State of Illinois. There would be a board that would be established, there would be five members. This Act would actually repeal itself in 1994. Basically many of you have been lobbied by the Illinois Hospital Association, The Illinois Medical Society, the business community and some of the insurance industry. This proposal, I would like start off by saying, was brought to me by a hospital that I happen to serve on as the board. Much of the impetus from this particular pilot project comes from a project that was set to 145  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 up out in California. It provides an option whereby those that are not acutely ill can go and have postsurgical treatment care afterwards at an ASTC. It allows for an alternative to some very expensive acute care and for those of us that are very concerned about that in the State of Illinois and how we are going to deliver health care in the next century. I think this an option that we should be looking at. For those of us who are very concerned about the destitute care in rural Illinois and for those of us who are concerned about providing some options with regards to birth control...birthing centers, excuse me, and providing this option for obstetrical care in southern Illinois. I think this in a pilot project that is worthy of our consideration. And I would be glad to answer any questions that you might have."

"The Lady has moved the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 3587. Does anyone rise in opposition? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a brief question?"

"She will."

"You indicated the Hospital Association was opposed to the Bill. I assume that they're opposed to this Amendment which is the...becomes the Bill. Is that correct?"

"That is my understanding."

"So, let me ask you, if this Amendment failed would you still...would the Hospital Association still be against the original Bill that came out of committee?"

"I think that is something that the Hospital Association would have to answer."

"Did they testify against the Bill in committee or..."

"No they did not."

"Okay...so, alright...the...point is then that if you're opposed to the Bill you should be opposed to this 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Amendment. Because the Amendment becomes the Bill."

"The Amendment does become the Bill. And for those of you who would like to offer some options for health care in rural Illinois and options for obstetrical care where there is none. This would be an Amendment that you would vote for. If you are interested in putting forth a proposal for consumers, if you are interested with regards to the business costs and the insurance costs for health care in the State of Illinois. You would be for this Amendment which becomes the Bill."

"Well, thank you very much for answering my question."

"The question is, 'Shall House... Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Wojcik, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to this Amendment. I too serve as a trustee at Alexian Brothers Hospital. And for those of you who have hospitals in your areas, they are absolutely against this. You're hearing that the suburban hospitals would be helped with this. This is not true nor would the collar county hospitals be helped with this nor would the ambulatory care in the rural area be helped with this. First of all, if you're an ambulatory care that's mostly in the suburban area. And that hospitals already are being devastated by the fact that they cannot receive or collect the dollars that are owed to them through the State of Illinois in the Medicaid or Medicare process. This would also devastate them which would take dollars away from them. And would allow the private pay patient to go to a surgi-care facility. This is not a good Amendment. It is not good for your hospital. So, I urge 'no' votes."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 52 voting 'aye', 48 voting 'no. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Hallock McPike..."

"Representative Hallock. Representative Frederick."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #2 does provide some parity between the hospitals that are now existing and the the ambulatory surgical treatment centers. It is an Amendment that's endorsed by the Hospital Association. It defines the limits on stays, overnight stays for postsurgical and obstetrical patients. It requires that the center maintain a contractual relationship with the general acute care hospital and that it complies with all the statutes and regulations covering ambulatory surgical treatment centers as well as the Hospital Licensing Act. Accepting in the cases of chronic disease hospitals and emergency, psychiatric, alcoholism and rehabilitation services facility. Also, the treatment center must comply with the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board regarding the construction and modification of a hospital. And further states that 'no center can be located where the Health Facilities Planning Board determines there is a surplus of beds. But, of course, the center must be located in a Federally designated health manpower shortage area. The Amendment also sets up a 12 person oversight board and requires that the board shall establish three pilot programs: one a hospital owned program, one a hospital affiliated, one a free standing clinic program. Each may last no longer than three years and at the end of that time there will be an evaluation and a report to the General Assembly. This Section of the Act 148  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 also would be repealed in January of 1994. I move adoption of Amendment #2 to 3587."

"The Lady has moved the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 3587. Does anyone rise in opposition? Representative Didrickson."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Amendment but my first question is, is this Amendment in order?"

"Representative Didrickson, can you tell us why you think it might not be in order?"

"The question has been raised over here with regards to the fact that it needs to...the Amendment would have to say 'as amended'."

"Representative Didrickson, the Amendment is in order. Proceed, Representative Didrickson."

"Okay. With that ruling then I would just rise to oppose this Amendment. This is a hostile Amendment. It is not designed to make this a better Bill this is designed to kill the Bill. It clearly does not have the support of the Medical Society, the insurance industry, the business community nor those consumers that you all represent. I would just recommend a 'no' vote."

"Does anyone else rise in opposition? If not I will recognize you during debate later on. Representative Woolard, in opposition."

"Yes, I'd like to ask the Sponsor of this Amendment a couple of questions if I may, please? First off, if you are successful in getting your Amendment passed, who would be in control of these three facilities that would be involved in your Amendment?"

"Well, how do you mean? Who will be in control?"

"Who's going to be the management of these three facilities?" 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"The management will be the same as it would be should this Amendment not pass as I understand it."

"Are the hospitals going to be involved in these three facilities?"

"No. No. They will not be. This is a different kind of facility. It will be put in place if the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board deems that there is a need to put such a facility in a certain area and, of course...for example, in my area where we have seven hospitals within 15 miles of each other. I am sure the Board would find that that was not a necessity. And, incidently, the treatment centers do allow for overnight stays for postsurgical cases and also for obstetrical cases. One day in case of surgery and an additional day if the physician so designates. Three days in the case of obstetrical if the physician so designates."

"So, none of these three facilities would in fact be controlled or a part of any of the existing hospitals?"

"There is one that is hospital owned."

"Oh, it's only owned by the hospital. It's not controlled by the hospital. It's only owned. Oh, okay, I misunderstood that. How 'bout the second one?"

"Now wait a minute. In the pilot program one...in the pilot program one of the facilities is hospital owned."

"One of them is hospital owned, okay."

"One. There are three pilot programs. One is hospital affiliated, the other is a free standing center."

"Okay, what about the second one? One is controlled, one is free standing, what about the middle one?"

"Well, it's hospital affiliated. I suppose there would be a coordinated kind of program that went on with that one. The idea is to evaluate which is a better way to go in which part of the state as I understand it." 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Okay, to the Amendment. I believe competition. that May 18, 1990 As an independent businessman positively if I could control my If I had the opportunity to say that there would be no competition move into Williamson County in the lumber industry, I would be pleased to do so. I really believe that the hospitals in the area are identifying competition with these facilities. That's not what it really is, what it is is giving and extending an opportunity for the people that are in underserved areas to have some kind of help. This is only a positive thing, Amendment #1 addresses that very correctly. Amendment #2 puts the control of these facilities in the hands of those people who don't want competition right now. I truly believe that this is a hostile Amendment. It cannot be passed if we truly want to effectively address the needs of the people in those settings that need help."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the last call for your change of votes on the Agreed Bill list. We're cutting...bring your change of votes immediately to the well and we will cut it...it will be cut off at this time. Representative Weaver, on Amendment #2 to House Bill 3587."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Just a short question of the Sponsor. Representative, on page 3 of your Amendment, it speaks to the location of these facilities only in an area where the Health Planning... Health Facilities Planning Board has determined that there is not a surplus of general acute care hospital beds. What is...under that Facilities Planning Board what makes up a surplus? Is it one bed or two beds? Is it done on an annual basis or..."

"No, there is a formula and that Board operates and has been in operation for a long time regarding overbedding of an area. They came into play when we had the same 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 problem in Lake County where another hospital wanted to come in. And we had about 500 extra beds as it was. I would think they would be a help to you in rural downstate areas because you certainly are not over served and you need beds. And so I would think that the way the Board works that you would get a facility such as a treatment center in case you could not put up a whole hospital."

"Would this be the same as applying for Certificate of Need?"

"It would be similar to that, yes."

"Okay, the same formula then."

"Yes."

"Alright, thank you."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Well, just briefly, I stand in strong support of the Amendment. The key to the Amendment is that the centers can be located in an area...No centers can be located in an area that the Health Facilities Planning Board has determined has a surplus of general acute care hospital beds. It requires that these centers only be located in Federally designated health manpower shortage areas. So, I think that's the key. Now, in the absence of this Amendment there's a number of hospital administrators, I've got letters from them, indicating that the problem with the Bill before...without the Amendment is the excess hospital capacity currently available. And, so the purpose of the Amendment, in part, is to limit where these things could operate. And I think it's a good Amendment for that reason. Urge an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is opened. Have all voted who wish? A simple majority is required. Representative Mulcahey votes 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 'no'. Mr. Clerk, could you vote him, please? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 51 voting 'aye', 56 voting 'no' and 5 voting 'present'. And the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Didrickson, excuse me. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3587, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act regarding Ambulatory Surgical Treatment Center Act. Third

Reading of the Bill. Speaker Breslin: "Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. The Amendment now has become the Bill. I would ask that we would give this initiative and the State of Illinois an opportunity with regards to a pilot project. The Bill becomes sunsets in 1994 after the six pilot projects: two rural, two urban and two outer urban have completed their...for the next few years have completed their beginning with regards to the pilot project. And we've been able to study and assess what they can do in the State of Illinois. I reference that this was done out in California and for those of you who do serve on hospital boards, for those of you who are very concerned about the Illinois Hospital Association. I would say to you that in California half of the pilot projects were put in place by the Hospital Association. This idea in concept was brought to me by a hospital. It has the full support of the medical community, the business community and the insurance community. And beyond all that those consumers out there who you have not yet heard from, who really would like to see this option here, this alternative with regards to 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 delivering health care in the State of Illinois. Ladies and Gentleman what we are really talking about is an option to be able to save some money for those not acutely ill but who still need postsurgical treatment. We are talking about instead of 800 to $1000 a day, and yes that's what we've gotten to, we're talking about costs that are $350 a day. Obviously, if this were to become a full blown project, the Certificate of Need in the State of Illinois would still apply. What we are looking at in the State of Illinois and for those of you downstate, for those of you who are concerned about rural health care, we are looking at 14 counties who have no obstetrical care. We are looking at 21 counties that where the entire county is designated as a health manpower shortage. This provides an alternative in the mix of health care in the State of Illinois. And I would urge the adoption of this."

"The Lady's moved the passage of House Bill 3587. Representative Cullerton rises in opposition."

"Yes, Madam Speaker. In the absence of the previous Amendment passing, I really have to strongly oppose the Bill. I have with me a letter from a downstate physician who happens to own an ambulatory surgical center. And he, to quote from, says 'it's inappropriate for such centers to be approved for accommodating postsurgical and labor delivery patients for a period of two to three days as proposed by this Bill.' And he also says 'that given the excess hospital capacity currently available the addition of such centers will ultimately increase the cost of health care in Illinois... Maybe... The medical center up near my area they also have indicated opposition. They are calling it an unnecessary duplication of services already provided by acute care hospitals. Now maybe there might be certain areas of this state where this might be appropriate, but 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 that would have been made possible with the Amendment that was previously offered which barely failed. So, I think, in considering whether or not you wish to vote for this Bill take these factors into account. I urge a 'no' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3587 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Trotter, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I just wanted to explain my vote. You know this is a poor Bill. Initially the intent probably was a good one to whereas they might have had more access to health care downstate in those areas that desperately need it. But it does just the opposite. What's happening it's going to further the closing or have closures of those hospitals that are on the brink of closing because there is not adequate funding at this point in time. These centers centers will be cherry picking those patients that have insurance away from those hospitals that need that kind of cash flow. So, I ask all of you to vote with me and vote 'no' on this poorly conceived idea."

"Representative Wojcik, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, again I would like to reiterate to the Members of this august Body, that for those of you who have had hospitals who were in crisis two years ago, when the Medicaid payments were not coming to them and they had to go out and they had to seek other financing to offset their Bills, this will cause the same thing to happen. This is for the affluent hospital this is not for the inner city hospitals nor is it for the collar or the suburban hospitals. You want to talk competition. Hospitals everyday have got to compete with the doctors, they're 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 building buildings, they're giving them low cost rent and what have you. This is disastrous for our local hospitals and for the hospitals in the inner city. And I urge you all to vote 'no'."

"Representative Ryder, one minute to explain your vote. Mr. Ryder"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Perhaps if we had hospitals that were competing this Bill might have a little different impact. But for those of us from rural Illinois that don't have access to medical service this Bill makes eminent sense. A hospital in my district closed. We do not have medical service in that town or that community now. If this Bill were to be passed then we would be able to provide medical services, needed medical services, in that community and other rural communities in downstate Illinois. Perhaps in the suburbs where you have the luxury of hospitals competing against each other for patients it might not be as beneficial. But for us, in downstate Illinois, it makes very good sense. And I would ask for a 'yes' vote."

"Representative Turner, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I'm a bit confused on this particular piece of legislation because my community reflects a little bit of what's happening in rural America. Yes, I have three hospitals within a mile of my particular home. Next year this time there may be one, there may be none. This idea is not a bad one when you think about the hospital closures but the issue is much bigger than that. Until this state starts dealing with Medicaid reimbursement and payment...paying these hospitals in a timely fashion... You know, it's only going to become more disastrous. I'm going 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 to vote 'yellow' on this particular Bill because I'm not clear just where we're headed here. Something has to be done to provide medical care and there's too many hospitals that have closed in my community. People have to be served somewhere, some how, some place. Thank you."

"Representative Didrickson, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, I would just like to allay some fears here with regards to the reimbursement and the differential. We will be bringing that down and drawing it closer this actually will help that. With regards to the fact that the comment was made that this is a duplication of services. Obviously, it is not a duplication of services, this is a service that has not been offered that we would like to try in terms of a pilot project. I think for those of you who are concerned about Cook County hospitals and speaking on behalf of them this is no threat. Anything that we could do to assist them certainly would be a positive. I'm pleased to see the 61 'aye' votes and the opportunity to try this in the State of Illinois. It's an alternative to some very costly health care delivery system that we have."

"Representative Lang, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I've listened to both sides of this debate and I think both sides make some very interesting and cogent points. Which make it very difficult to vote either way on this Bill. I think if we can get the two sides to sit down together perhaps..."

"You have one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, perhaps if we get the sides together we can get them to come together and come to something they can both 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 live with and something we can live with. I think that rural Illinois needs some kind of program like this to work with. But I think that the Hospital Association in their efforts to lobby against this Bill have made some other interesting points. And I think those...there are some out there like me who are concerned with both sides of this issue. I think what we should do is send them back to talk about it a little further. I think we should vote 'yellow'."

"The Bill now has 66 votes. Representative Ropp, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I f your hospital is in a situation where you have abundant resources then you can afford to gote green on this. But if your hospitals are finding it difficult because they do not receive enough state dollars because this is a program that ultimately is going to deplete the available dollars that are currently coming into those hospitals. I don't think current hospitals can afford this program."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 voting 'aye', 30 voting 'no'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. With leave of the Body I'd like to go back to a Bill I passed over on State Government Administration, Third Reading and that is House Resolution 1710, Representative Matijevich. Proceed, Representative."

"Madam Speaker, this is a Resolution offered by Representative Frederick and Churchill and myself. It relates to the attempts by a bus..."

"Representative Matijevich."

"...attempts to operate a cement and asphalt crushing business in Park City right on the border of Gurnee which 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 is too close to a residential area. In the Resolution we express our opposition because it is too close to the residential area. And we urge the EPA to hold public hearings on the application for the operation of such a business, so that the citizens of Park City and Gurnee may be heard and their concerns may be expressed. I move the adoption of the Resolution."

"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of House Resolution 1710. On the question, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Resolution 1710 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'...all those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment... the Resolution is adopted. Going back to the Order of State and Local Government, Second Reading. The next Bill is House Bill 3667. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3667, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted previously."

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"There are no Motions filed. The first Amendment is Floor Amendment #5 offered by Representative Homer."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Floor Amendment 5 is offered to address some concern...industry concerns...that were expressed in the committee in discussion of this Bill, this is the Caller ID Bill. Amendment #5...is opposed by no one that I know of and I would urge support for the Amendment."

"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment 5. On the question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment is the same as Amendment #4 which we 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 have already defeated. The fact of the matter is that Illinois Bell is neutral on this but they're not for it. And in my judgement there isn't a necessity for the Amendment because there's no necessity for the Bill. So, I rise in opposition to this Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 5 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is opened. Simple majority is required. Have all voted who wish? Representative Homer, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker, this is...this is silly. I mean, this vote is absolutely silly. Nobody opposes this Amendment. Illinois Bell, as the Gentleman says, is neutral. They're the only opponent to the Bill but they're neutral on the Amendment. In fact, if the Bill passes they would prefer that it had this Amendment on it. So, we're going straight to Third Reading after this Amendment. Let's not play around with the vote on this Amendment. Nobody's against this Amendment. Let's vote on the Bill. But please support the Amendment that everybody's for or at least neutral on."

"Representative Harris, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The speaker said that this was the same Amendment that we defeated before. Since we are under limited constraint on debate here on the House floor right now, the fact that we defeated the Amendment before where we had full debate simply tells you, yes, indeed there are people who are opposed to this Amendment as is self evident from 46 votes up there. Obviously, not enough to defeat the Amendment but it is a bad Amendment. It's a bad Bill. vote 'no' on both." 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Representative Regan, on minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. The State Police are in favor of this Amendment. And the Bill itself regulates this phone calling operation. It doesn't allow it. It regulates it. That's why it failed before because it was misunderstood. Anybody that's opposed to having their phone number spread out across the World should vote 'yes' on this Amendment and 'yes' on the Bill."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 60 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no'. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third."

"House Bill 3667, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utility Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 3667 is a Bill that deals...deals with Caller Identification. The phone companies in Illinois, some of them including Illinois Bell, are on the verge of offering a Caller Identification Service to any customer. This would entitle that customer to know who it is that's placing calls to that phone. That may sound like a good idea, however, upon review of that, and it is a good idea, it's a service that ought to be provided. We have no complaint with the service but it has a great potential for abuse. And it creates the potential for a great invasion of privacy into matters which...into situations where there are legitimate reasons why a person placing a call may not want to have the receiver know that call is being placed. For example, undercover police officers will risk divulging the identity of the undercover 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 agents. People who pay extra for unlisted telephone numbers will have their numbers given out each time they make a call. People who want to report a crime to the police department anonymously can't do so without fear of their whereabouts and identity being known. People who want to call a suicide prevention hotline, an AIDS hotline, a child abuse hotline, any kind of service cannot do SO under Caller ID without blocking...without risking having their number being known. So there are many, many times where people, including consumers, may want to call about an advertisement but don'  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 that's all that it says. And, in fact, CENTEL which is another phone company that's getting ready to offer it says 'We were going to give that anyway. We think that's just fundamentally fair to have..."

"Bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"So, let me just urge you to support this Bill. And, finally and very briefly, to those who are minority members here, what could be more invidious than to allow what could be utilized for red lining where you would have a unscrupulous real estate broker channel calls from this ID system into a constant permanent busy signal. Because the prefix on the number calling that real estate broker is coming from a neighborhood of the city with which they do not want to do business. Now, I would urge every Member to support this Bill."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I will recognize one in opposition and then others to explain their vote. Representative Dunn."

"I have questions there may be others. So I would ask that at least five...the necessary number of people join to take this off Short Debate in case there are other questions, this is a difficult concept, there may be a lot of questions about this Bill. The first question that I have is, if I make a telephone...if this becomes law and I want my calls blocked, what do I have to do?"

"Representative Homer, the Gentleman has asked a question. And the question is..."

"If this Bill becomes law and I want to make telephone calls and I do not want the person on the other end to know my telephone number, I want to block my identification, what do I have to do?

"You would have to push like...a number and star or two numbers like a prefix before you dialed the regular 163  120th Legislative Day number." STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"And, alright then... Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to the Bill. It's my understanding that the way things currently are if you dial an 800 number or a 900 number you're essentially making a collect call. So the person receiving the call receives information about you now. I don't really object to that. But this is a provision which, to the best of my knowledge, is to accommodate telephone solicitors to get names and mailing lists and numbers to call back. And that may be a worthwhile goal, I don't know. But I don't think that should take place under circumstances where every time I pick up the telephone I'm going to have to push #, * (pound, asterisk) and two other numbers to block my calls. This legislation ought to be crafted so that my calls are blocked to begin with unless I affirmatively unblock them. And I realize that if we do that this legislation is not so attractive to the retailers. But what we're doing, if we pass this Bill in its present form, is we are saying that each of us in our own homes, every time we make a telephone call in our own home are going to be required to punch two or three numbers and when we do we're accommodating someone else. Our calls should be blocked affirmatively unless we decide to unblock them and not the other way around. So, unless I misunderstand something I think this Bill is not in proper form at this time to become law. And I would urge a 'no' vote."

"Does anyone else want to ask questions? If not, Representative Black for questions."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. To the Bill's Sponsor, Representative, you had indicated that if you wanted the phone blocked out you would punch in a code or something. I guess my question is if someone is using the 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 telephone for obscene or threatening purposes. Why would we make it so that person could just punch in a code and then that person who is misusing the telephone is then protected?"

"Representative Black, under the Amendment we adopted he would not be...the... Oh, on the obscene phone call, let me just say that what would happen is with Call Trace which is already current technology. All the recipient would have to do after receiving an obscene phone call would be to hit a couple of buttons and the phone number would be automatically recorded at the telephone company switching station and report it to the police. So, you know, there is no blocking by an obscene phone caller. That information can be obtained."

"Well, isn't it true it can only be obtained if you've gotten the necessary legal documents to put a trap on your line?"

"No, that's one way to do it the other way is with Call Trace. I don't know if you've ever heard of Call Trace but that's where you get a call and you want it reported to the police after you hang up. You hit a couple of coded buttons and that goes into the switching board as reported to the police. And that's current technology. You can do that under current technology. This Bill would not...You know, and also you could call the police and have them put a tracer on your phone in which case those numbers would be recorded."

"You had also mentioned that if you wanted to report a crime in progress and do so anonymously...Don't most enhanced 911 systems trap that line now so that the police can instantly trace that call coming into the 911 board?"

"Representative Black, sure if you placed a 911 call from your phone your identity would be known. But there are 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 people who want to report crimes that don't want their identity known. They don't dial 911. They dial the nonemergency number. And they don't want their identity known. And so they need to have the right to block their call."

"So, what basically your Bill says that you don't have to certify a reason why you want your Caller ID blocked. If you want it blocked it's blocked no ifs, ands, buts or ors, right?"

"That's true."

"Well, I don't want to incur the wrath of the Speaker but I'm not sure I favor that either."

"Representative Mautino for a short question."

"Representative Homer, how many phones will have to be replaced in the State of Illinois with the enactment of this legislation? I have a phone in front of me that we all use. Right? Does that mean that I've got to buy a new phone in order to find out what number has been calling me on this new system that's being offered?"

"Representative Mautino, I'm glad you asked that question because there's so much confusion about this Bill. It's obvious from that question and the one Representative Dunn asked me. This legislation does not authorize Caller ID. It does not authorize it. It's in response to Caller ID. The phone companies don't need legal authority they've got it now. They're going to use it. They've got an application going to the Commerce Commission. That's all they need. They don't need anything more. This Bill does not authorize that. This Bill says, 'if they get it that as a condition of getting it Commerce Commission you have to require them to let their customers block individual calls.' So the only people that would change phones are the people who buy this equipment from the phone company 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 that want the identification service. If you're calling somebody and you want to block your call, you don't need any special new equipment. All you do is use your current equipment and punch in a couple of numbers before you dial the number. And there's no cost to you to have your call blocked. You can do that with your current equipment. It's just assuring you that when you call that car dealer or that life insurance company to get a quote that they won't have your number reported in front of them."

"Representative Homer, you're recognized to close."

"We thank you, Madam Speaker. I know this is a complex issue but it's an important one and it involves the right to privacy. You know, in this technological society we have there are many wonders and many beneficial things that come about. And Caller ID is going to be on us whether we want it or not. The phone companies are going to make it available. When you call a business they're going to have your phone number. When you call your neighbor they're going to know who called. And that may be okay but you ought to have as a fundamental right of privacy the opportunity, if you wish, to not let them have your number. Because there are many times where you may want to make a phone call that for whatever reason, although it's a legitimate one, you don't want them to know your number. And so all this Bill does is strike a compromise and say that if the phone companies go to Caller ID they have to give the option of blocking to all of us. It's a right of privacy. It's a fundamental right. And one we all should champion."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3667 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Hoffman to explain your vote." 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this legislation. As the Gentleman says there's a lot of confusion about this issue. The fact of the matter is the technology is not in this state. And where they are using it, in New Jersey, it's working out fine. And the role of the Commerce Commission is to deal with those questions that cause the confusion. They have a hearing program that they go through. And the Legislature at this stage of the game should not be involved in this issue. Let's let technology move forward. And we have a Commerce Commission to deal with the issue, there are no applications before that Commerce Commission to deal with this kind of a program at this time, and this is premature legislation. And I stand in opposition."

"Representative Bugielski, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition to this Bill. Again, just as the previous Speaker said, we are putting the cart in front of the horse. We don't even have this service yet and we are already making...putting regulations onto this. Illinois Bell annually receives in complaints over a 180,000 complaints on harassing calls and obscene phone calls. That's just what they receive a 180,000. We are not counting the thousands of people that never call Illinois Bell to make a complaint. I feel that this is a very... Caller ID would be a very good piece of legislation to have here...just having Caller ID here. We should give Illinois Bell, we should give the phone companies a chance to bring this in this service in then we could put the regulations in if we see that there's problems with it. But I ask for a 'no' vote on this piece of legislation."

"Representative Harris, one minute to explain 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Sponsor of this legislation made two comments in his closing remarks which I think are important: One, he says it's a complex issue. Indeed it is a complex issue which I don't think has gotten a fair hearing in this very, very Short Debate. We are dealing with leading edge technology something which is coming very soon but state of the art. It is complex it needs further discussion. And he made a second point, he said there's a right to privacy. Well, you know, a phone call has two parties and the party receiving the call a the right to privacy too. We've got a lot of smart people on this floor. Let's discuss it in greater length than we've given it here. I think it's too short a debate that we've had because there is a serious question of right to privacy. Caller ID has been used in New Jersey and it's been very, very effective. The police concerns have been taken care of. This is not the right answer to this right now, and vote 'no'."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 36 voting 'aye', 59 voting 'no'. And the Bill fails. House Bill 3872, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. House Bill 3881, Representative Kirkland. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3881, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 is offered by Representative Kirkland."

"Representative Kirkland."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Amendment #1 simply 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 makes the Act become effective on becoming law."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 3881. Do you wish to discuss that? No. Representative Rice."

"I was trying to seek personal privilege before you..."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 1 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Kirkland."

"Just a moment, Representative Rice, what personal privilege do you request?"

"On House Bill 3587 I appear 'present'. I would like to vote 'yes' on that Bill."

"The record will reflect that in the transcript. Representative Kirkland is recognized on Amendment 2."

"Amendment 2 will make the effect of the Bill retroactive."

"The Gentlemen moves the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 3881. On that question, is there any discussion? There being none the question is, 'Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill on Third, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3881, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Kirkland."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill is designed to increase supervision of released inmates on parole or 170  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 mandatory supervised release during the critical period when research shows that they are most likely to commit technical violations or new offenses. In other words, offenses that cause recidivism. The Bill modifies the terms of supervision reducing them by a third to reduce parole case loads, allow more case supervision and ensure public safety within current budget restraints. This is a proposal that is a recommendation from the Report of the Task Force on Released Inmates published in January of this year. That task force was assembled and met pursuant to the Senate...to Senate Joint Resolution 83 adopted two years ago. I move for passage of that Bill."

"Question is...Representative McPike in the Chair. Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 106 'ayes', 2 'nos'. House Bill 3881 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3993, Representative Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"House Bill 3993, Floor Amendment #2 is being offered by Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin withdraws Amendment #2 and he withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4 being offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Withdraw. Withdraw. Withdraw the Amendment, please."

"Withdraw. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5 offered by Representative Black."

"Representative Black." 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. May 18, 1990 Amendment #5 incorporates provisions of House Bill 970 to this Bill. It simply allows municipalities to own and operate their own cable tv franchise. It does require that a municipality that is considering such a move to first hold a public meeting before making that decision. And that public meeting has certain specifications listed in the Amendment. I think it puts it in concert with federal law that says basically the same thing. I'd ask your favorable consideration of Amendment #5."

"Question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes'...Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think on philosophical grounds I'm going to oppose this because again it allows government to get into the marketplace into the free enterprise system. I think it's the opposite direction in which our society would want us to go. Since when does government do a better job than business and free enterprise? And so therefore I will oppose this Amendment."

"Representative Cullerton."

"It's as the Sponsor of the Bill I have no problem with the Amendment. I accept the Amendment."

"Question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6 offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton,"

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #6 is proposed by the City of Chicago. It's an attempt to allow the city to speed the 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 process by which they acquire abandoned buildings and acquire title to those buildings in order to put it to some productive use. So the proposal would be to streamline the demolition for closure procedures and to establish the procedures from which the city can acquire property to abandoned property before demolition. I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote on the Amendment. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Representative McCracken."

"Yes, I understand that this addresses a serious problem in the city. I'm just concerned that the notice is adequate to protect the property owner. What are the provisions relative to the notice? Does the court have to have the jurisdiction over the person of the owner? I mean is that still something that the city would have to secure?"

"All that the owner has to do is file an appearance in court and my understanding is none of these new provisions would apply. All do is file an appearance."

"And you still require a personal service?"

"Yes."

"Okay. I had discussed this earlier with Representative Cullerton and have considered it. And I think as long as this veto power of the owner is preserved and personal service of process is still required that it balances appropriately the competing interests. I rise in support."

"Representative Cullerton"

"I move to adopt the Amendment."

"Question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7 offered by Representative Levin 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day and Cullerton."

"Representative Levin." May 18, 1990

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #7 modifies the time limits in Amendment #1 which was previously adopted to provide that for condominiums the time limit for responding to a design plan would be 90 days rather than 30 days. This Amendment recognizes that in most condominiums there is a negotiation process that goes on between the association and the cable company and that they need more time. This is at this point a compromise. We expect that there will be continued negotiations in the Senate on this issue."

"Question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3993, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Does anyone stand in opposition to this Bill? Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 'ayes', 1 'no'. House Bill 3993 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative Martinez."

"The record to reflect that I would have voted 'present' on HB 3667."

"The record will so reflect. House Bill 4013, Representative Kulas. Representative Kulas on a Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have a Motion on the Calendar. On the written Motion that I filed to extend the deadline on House Bill 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day 4013 to to May 18, 1990 November...thru November 30th, 1990. This is the Municipal Waste Planning and Siting Bill on which an Ad Hoc Task Force has agreed to work thru this summer into the fall come out with some kind of an Agreed Bill. And I would move to extend the deadline."

"Any objections? Hearing none, the Attendance Roll Call will be used. Representative Balanoff objects. Anyone else? The question is, 'Shall this Motion pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The Motion is to extend the deadline on House Bill 4013 thru November 30, 1990. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 95 'ayes', 10 'nos'. And the Motion carries. Representative Edley. Representative Edley indicates he would have voted 'no' instead of 'present' on that Motion. House Bill 4124, Representative Homer. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4124, a Bill for an Act Illinois Controlled Substances Act. to amend the Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted previously." "Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4 is being offered by Representative Homer and Weller."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Article... Amendment #4 creates the Drug Free Schools and Communities Program. initiative from the task force that was brought Lieutenant Governor Ryan. And also creates the Youth Drug Abuse Prevention Fund Check Off to provide that on individual income tax returns for tax years beginning in 1991 that tax payers may contribute one dollar or more the Drug Abuse Prevention Fund. The proceeds from which This was an to us by to 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 would be distributed: 25 percent to the Department of Corrections to administer the Drug Testing Program that we authorized in a previous Bill, 25 percent to the Probation Office to conduct the drug testing for probation, 25 percent would be awarded to DASA for grants to non-profit community organizations, another 25 percent to DASA for grants to non-profit agencies providing inpatient or outpatient drug rehab programs or crime prevention in neighborhoods. That portion of the Bill was taken from recommendations of Representative Tony Young and the Black Caucus. The Bill is a product of the Drug Task Force and it's a means to provide voluntary funding for very worthwhile programs to help address the growing problem of drug dependency among youth and among the population in general. I would urge your support for Amendment 4."

"Question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4124, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Controlled Substances Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this...Hicks 'aye', Shaw 'aye'. On this Bill there are 109 'ayes'. Petka, Representative Petka changes from 'no' to 'aye'. On this Bill there are 110 'ayes', no 'nays'. Representative Martinez."

"I want the record to reflect I would have voted 'aye' on this."

"On this Bill?" 176  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"Yes."

"Martinez 'aye'. On this Bill, there are 1ll 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 4124 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. State and Local Government, Third Reading, appears House Bill 706. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative McCracken."

"Mr. Speaker, this matter is on Postponed Consideration. It's already had a vote. The Chair has been taking out of the record Bills on Postponed Consideration so people can have votes, the first time on some Bills before the others are called. I would ask that you ou take this matter out of the record and proceed with Bills that have not yet had a Third Reading vote."

"The Bill's out of the record. House Bill 1007, Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1007, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Over the last four years the courts of this state have reversed four major rate increases granted Commonwealth Edison, and it said that the monies collected from the consumers of Common Wealth Edison and those rate increases should be returned. The amount of money involved between 1.4 billion and 1.7 billion dollars of consumer money that Commonwealth Edison continues to hold. And yet as of today not one dime of that money that has been collected that the courts have said is illegal and should be returned has been returned. In addition, we are still paying for these rate increases every time a customer of Commonwealth Edison makes a payment he is paying more money to the utility for these rate increases that have been held by the courts to be illegal. Yet, approximately a month 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 ago this utility came in to the Illinois Commerce Commission and said not only don't we want to return the money the courts have said we should but ask for a new rate increase. The public has been outraged because they have yet to see their first dollar returned and they have, they're outraged moreover that this utility is asking for yet another increase without returning the money the courts have said they should return. This legislation is very simple, this legislation says that if a court has reversed one or more rate increases and said..."

"Representative..."

"that the money should be returned to the consumers..."

"Representative..."

"and that money has not yet been returned. The utility..."

"Representative Levin...."

"cannot have the Commerce Commission consider a new rate increase until it is in fact dealt with it."

"Representative Levin, bring your remarks to a close. Representative Ewing to close...I'm sorry Representative Ewing in opposition."

"Thank you, I'd like to ask some questions of the Sponsor."

"Well, would someone like to stand in opposition to this?"

"I am in opp...yes."

"Alright Representative Ewing in opposition."

"You don't want questions then..."

"We would prefer no questions."

"Alright, we'll just...this is probably one of the worst Bills to come out of the Public Utilities Committee. The Speaker is talking about refunds from Com Ed. No one questions whether those should be made or not but he's 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 using a shotgun to try and get the goal which he has and that is the refunds. I want to say that this Bill encourages interveners to appeal every ICC order. Because when they appeal it they stop the company from filing anything else with the ICC. That's very important, you should remember that. It encourages delay in the appeals process because once they get an appeal filed, they tie up the company. I think that we have a very serious problem here, if this Bill were to become law we would make chaos out of the process which the companies have in filing for rates and in the court process. Representative Levin, this is bad legislation, as Chairman of the Public Utilities Committee, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for even offering it. And I would suggest you withdraw it now and take it back to the drafting boards and get it improved."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Hoffman to explain his vote."

"Thank you very...thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The language in this Bill creates a very, very unnatural and unsound incentive for anybody to get involved who isn't already involved in the buying and selling of natural gas for resale. The reason for that is it exempts anybody who does that and it's ridiculous to exclude any part of the utility from this particular action if you're going to do it. If your going to make it possible for other people to take advantage of it at some other time. So, for that reason as well as previous reasons mentioned I stand in opposition to this legislation."

"Representative Piel, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I sit on the Public Utilities Committee and I think in this 179  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 Body the one rule that applies to everybody, your word is your bond. The Sponsor of this Bill said that a...he amended it in committee and said that it did one thing. We called his attention to it later on that the Amendment did not do what he stated it was supposed to do. And he said you're right, so we amended it. CUB and the utilities both called to our attention that they thought that certain areas of what he wanted to do was not done in the Amendment. Amendment #7 has been filed, it was filed about Monday of this week, and the Sponsor was promised to put Amendment #7 on, if you'll check your calendar it was never called to put Amendment #7 on. The Sponsor never put Amendment #7 on so the language that CUB needs is in Amendment #7, it's not on there. The utilities, certain utilities had agreed to Amendment #7, I think Ladies and Gentlemen on the strict basis of your word is your bond you should vote 'no' or 'present' on this Bill and send a message that when you make an agreement in committee you'll stick by that agreement. Thank you."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This has the same sound as the Coalition for Political Honesty. It says you gotta give back the money that you wrongfully collected or you can't have another rate increase even heard. This will tie up those hearings, the ICC the same as the courts have done, it sounds good, does exactly the wrong thing and deserves to die."

"Representative Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In explaining my 'aye' vote, let me suggest first of all, that those that say this encourages appeals are absolutely wrong. That while this legislation only applies where an appellate or a supreme court has issued an order finding that a whole or a part of 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 a rate increase is illegal. And that is a matter of record, the fact that somebody appeals an increase has absolutely nothing to do with this legislation. As far as this gas issue, we intended to exempt gas companies, that is what this legislation does. We did put Amendments on on the floor to make that clearer. If it's still not clear, be happy to work with anybody in the Senate to clear up any technical problems that exist. This is an extremely important Bill, to many millions of consumers in the state who are asking where are their rebates right now? If the utility asks for an increase there are time limits there are no ways of encouraging the disposition of what benefits consumers now."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative McCracken asks for a verification. Representative Levin ask for a poll of those not voting."

"Poll of those not voting. Flowers. Harris. Lou Jones. Krska. Martinez. Mautino. Santiago. And Williams."

"Alright, Poll of those...Representative Harris."

"Mr. Speaker, please record me as 'present'."

"Representative Harris votes 'present'. Proceed with the Poll of the Affirmative. Representative Klemm, Representative Klemm, are you seeking recog...Representative Klemm changes from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Deuchler changes from 'aye' to 'no'. Is anyone else seeking recognition? Representative Martinez, Martinez."

"Yes, please let the record reflect I wish to vote 'aye' on this."

"Representative Martinez is your switch working?"

"I've pushed it several times, it doesn't respond." 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Would the electrician check his switch. Vote Representative Martinez 'aye'. Representative Flowers, 'aye'. Representative Petka, 'no'. Does anyone else want to change your vote? Representative Williams, 'aye'. Alright leave to be verified Novak. Terzich would like to change from 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Krska, votes 'aye'. Representative Williamson votes 'aye'. Representative Bowman would like leave to be verified, he is in the rear. Who's taking the verification? Representative McCracken? We go two...two were verified so far, Bowman and Novak."

"Yes."

"Anyone else seeking to change their vote? Representative Santiago, 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, read the affirmative."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Balanoff. Black. Bowman. Breslin. Brunsvold. Capparelli. Cullerton. Currie. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Edley. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Granberg. Hallock. Hannig. Homer. Hultgren. Shirley Jones. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. LeFlore. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. McGann. McNamara. Morrow. Mulcahey. Munizzi. Novak. Noland. Novak. Phelps. Preston. Regan. Rice. Richmond. Saltsman. Santiago. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Stephens. Stern. Sutker. Tenhouse. Terzich. Trotter. Turner. Van Duyne. Weaver. Weller. White. Williams. Williamson. Woolard. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. Zickus. And Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Shaw, would like to change from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Shaw. Ready? Representative Charles Morrow would like to be verified."

"Yes."

"Representative McCracken." 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Thank you. Representative Van Duyne?" May 18, 1990

"Representative Van Duyne. Is the Gentleman here? He is not, remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Mulcahey?"

"Representative Mulcahey. Is the Gentleman here? He is not. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Kulas?"

"He's here."

"Representative White?"

"Representative White. Is the Gentleman here? He is not. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Preston."

"Representative Preston. No. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Shirley Jones?"

Is the Gentleman here? "Representative Shirley Jones. She is not. Remove her from the Roll."

"Representative Novak?" Is the Lady here?

"Representative Novak. He was verified."

"Representative Giglio?"

"Representative Giglio. Is the Gentleman here? He is not. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Giorgi?"

"Representative Giorgi. Is the Gentleman here? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Mautino? Nope, I see him, I see him."

"Representative Mautino, 'aye'."

"Hey, I should have left well enough alone. Representative Bowman?"

"Representative Bowman was verified."

"Representative Lou Jones?"

"Not voting."

"Representative Phelps?" 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Phelps, He is not. Remove him from the Roll." May 18, 1990 is the Gentleman here?

"Representative Flowers?"

"Representative Flowers. Representative Turner."

She's here. Turner: "Yes, Mr. Speaker, while there is a lull, I'd like to introduce Lawndale Elementary School, from the great west side the City of Chicago, they are in the gallery. Lawndale Elementary School."

"Representative Black?"

"Representative Black, is the Gentleman here? He is not. Remove him,"

"Representative Petka?"

"Representative Petka, is voting 'no'."

"Representative Hallock?"

"Representative Hallock. Is the Gentleman here? Mr. Hallock here?"

"Okay, I'm sorry."

"He's here."

"Yeah. Okay. Nothing further."

"On this Bill there are 55 'ayes', 40 'nos', 10 voting 'present'. House Bill 1007, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost."

"House Bill 706, Representative Cullerton." "House Bill 706, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill passed out of the Judiciary II Committee, 13 to nothing. The Federal Government passed this year the...a Bill that requires the Attorney General acquire data about crimes that manifest evidence of to 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day prejudice. Otherwise known as hate crimes. signed the Bill at a ceremony in the White House on April 23rd, 1990. And this Bill is meant to implement that May 18, 1990 President Bush federal statute. The state police have indicated through a letter that this Bill will have no fiscal impact because the Illinois State Police Uniform Crime Reporting Program has just received $500,000 to redesign their program to meet these reporting guidelines. So, I would appreciate an 'aye' vote and be happy to answer any questions."

"Representative McCracken, in opposition."

"Yes, I rise in opposition and the reason we're not objecting to its being called again is because as Representative Cullerton reminded me, this is on Postponed Consideration from last year and apparently it went through the process again this year. But it doesn't make the Bill any better. All it does is send us down a road toward creating certain classes of people who are entitled to more protection of the law than the average citizen. We want to go down the road where the taxpayer pays for more protection for certain classes of people...than there is for the average taxpayer. Now everyone says this is a compassionate, wonderful thing to do. We should be collecting these statistics because some day we will declare war on these awful crimes. I grant you, they are awful crimes  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 Party. That is precisely what you're making and that is precisely why this is a bad Bill. The people of this country have rejected the concept of special rights for certain types of people. They don't like it, they don't approve of it. They don't like quotas, they don't like these sorts of things. And I say this is wrong, look beyond the short term, look beyond what this Bill itself does, look at the trend, look at what it represents, and what it represents is wrong. Vote 'no'."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Cullerton to explain his vote."

"Well, I just wanted to reiterate the fact that the President Bush just signed the Federal Act on April 23rd, it doesn't cost any money, in fact the Illinois State Police testified to that in committee. So I don't...and also it passed unanimously out of the committee and the Republican Members, I asked them if they had a problem with it, and nobody said anything so they voted for it. So, I certainly would appreciate at least the Members in the Judiciary Committee to vote 'aye'. Appreciate passing the Bill."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 53 'ayes', 50 'nos', one voting 'present'. House Bill 706, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1014, Representative Giorgi. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1014, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, this is a Bill that Representative Lang put an Amendment on, Matijevich put an Amendment on and Terzich 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 put an Amendment on. It was fully debated a couple of days ago and I urge support of the Bill."

"In opposition, Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to House Bill 1014. We debated this Bill a number of times but to refresh you. The Amendments that went on creates a new standard of forms that supposedly are going to be more readable but, in fact, what they end up doing is taking away the ability for the legal aspects of a contract. I think that the contracts need to be written in the legalize so that it is a legal document. And, therefore, if we are to rewrite all the insurance policies of all the kinds that we have and to put the new forms out. It's going to be so costly that the cost of doing business...insurance business in the state will rise. In addition, we're going to...with Amendments put on said that this Bill now will not allow an insurance company to determine how they are going to set up billings to the people in this state. They want to exclude from a quarterly or a monthly. They said that it cannot change the rates except for once every six months. There are very...and the Sponsor of this Amendment agreed, there are very few companies that even do this. We want to further restrict the insurance industry in this state and tell them how to operate free enterprise. I rise in opposition because these are IPAC Amendments that have gone on and we think that they are counter productive to the citizens of this state having quality affordable insurance. It will just raise the cost of doing business in this state. Please vote 'no' on this Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Lang to explain his vote." 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Let's be clear about what these Amendments are. The first Amendment that's on is a very simple Amendment. It doesn't deal with a rate regulation. It doesn't regulate insurance companies. They can charge whatever they want for their insurance. It simply says that they should do it once every six months. So that your constituents don't get a Bill every two months or three months or every four months with an increased premium to pay. Second Bill deals with policy simplification. And here I am an attorney trying to take business away from the attorneys and now I'm attacked for that. The attorneys can't get away with anything on the floor of this House. Vote 'aye' on this Amendment...on this Bill."

"Have all voted? Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. You know, this is a great consumer Bill. All of these here Amendments were thoroughly discussed that they were all adopted by the House. This is a good Bill there's nothing in there that provides protection there for the consumer. And there's nothing that's supposedly against the insurance company. Only fairness for the people who have problems with insurance. And this was worked over by everybody and it deserves everybody's support. And the ones who are voting 'no' on this Bill should be ashamed of themselves."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 56 'ayes', 49 'nos', 3 voting 'present'. Representative Martinez 'aye'. Representative Leverenz 'aye'. Representative Mautino 'aye'. Mr. Electrician, would you check Representative Martinez's switch? On this Bill, there are 59 'ayes', 49 'nos'. This Bill having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority...Representative Giorgi 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day asked Clerk May 18, 1990 for...Representative Giorgi, do you want it on Postponed? It's your Bill. Representative Giorgi asks for a Poll of those not voting, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of those not voting. Harris. Lou Jones. Shirley Jones and Petka."

"On this Bill there are 59 'ayes', 49 'nos'. House Bill 1014 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1649, Representative Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1619, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1649 directs... DCCA...its office of urban assistance to establish an economic Bill of Rights for the disadvantaged. And to declare revitalization areas...in areas of high unemployment. I move for the passage of this Bill."

"In opposition, Representative Doederlein."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this Bill because this would be an additional cost of over $1.25 million. And we did have a discussion in the committee meeting and several of the departments came in to testify that they were already doing this service. So I would ask you to vote red."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative Stephens explain his vote. Stephens." Stephens: Mr. Electrician, I to Representative "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. just...to note to the General Assembly that this, I think, has a cost of $2.5 billion associated with it...oh, that's the next one, excuse me...excuse me. This is 1.25 million...this is only 189  120th Legislative Day slightly bad." STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"Representative Stephens, are you talking against all five Bills at once? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 51 'ayes', 54 'nos'. House Bill 1649 having failed to receive the Constitutional... Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Postponed Consideration."

"Representative, we are not coming back to these Bills." Younge, W.: "I'd like it on Postponed Consideration."

"Postponed Consideration. House Bill 1656, Representative Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1656, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill." Younge, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 166...1656 would require that the places of public housing not be permanent residences, but would become places of temporary occupancy as would public aid. The Bill would require the Illinois Housing Development Authority to make seventy-five percent of the monies necessary for mortgages available to occupants of public housing. And it would require that the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs buy abandoned plants near where public housing recipients live so that they could be open and people could work and therefore move  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 public housing authority, and it would greatly improve the economics of the State of Illinois."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We respectfully rise in opposition. The cost to the Illinois Department of Public Aid by itself is $2.5 billion that's not counting DCCA'S cost...We sympathize with the Sponsor..."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 30 'ayes', 65 'nos'. House Bill 1656 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 2533, Representative Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative McCracken...Representative Younge."

"House Bill 25..."

"2533."

"House Bill 2533, a Bill for an Act to amend the East St. Louis Area Development Act. the Bill."

Third Reading of Speaker McPike: "Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2533 would establish the Family Resource Center at the State community college in East St. Louis in conjunction with the East St... East St. Louis Development Authority. This center would teach people...low income and on public aid coping skills so that they can move off of public aid into private gainful employment."

"Alright. This Bill is on Postponed Consideration so we have debated it before. The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Doederlein." 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"I May 18, 1990 rise in opposition to this Bill. I know Representative Younge has worked very hard with Governor Thompson in the East St. Louis Task Force. And their report..."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "This is a very important...important Bill to my community. I think that we ought to follow our theory, if we really want people to be employed and get off the backs of the state, we ought...we have to give them the training that they need. I ask for your support...of this matter."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 45 'ayes', 57 'nos'. House Bill 2533 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 2535, Representative Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2535, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2535 houses an economic recovery demonstration, which has been promised by Governor Thompson for the East St. Louis area. I served on a Task Force in reference to municipal bankruptcy and one of the recommendations was that East St. Louis be used as the subject matter of a demonstration as to how to economically revive urban inner cities. This Bill would provide for an industrial park area to be implemented in the East St. Louis area would provide for grants and loans for...for police, fire and trash pickup among a number of other things. And it will be..."

"Representative Younge, the Chairman has spoke...This is on Postponed Consideration. So it's been 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 debated before. The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative McCracken."

"Nothing."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 46 'ayes', 52 'nos'. House Bill 2535 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 2538, Representative Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2538, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Younge." Younge, W.: "Thank yoυ, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2538 would establish cooperatives in urban areas and it would authorize the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to establish these cooperatives. Many of our young people do not work, have no potential to work and will not work because they do not have the skills or places to work. This Bill would require DCCA to set up a cooperative of four or more people and help the young persons through a feasibility study a proto-type development and finding finance. This concept has been tried in other places and it has led to many permanent jobs and I ask for your support on this matter."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Doederlein."

"Again, I rise in opposition to this Bill."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 51 'ayes' and 58 'nos'. House Bill 2538 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 lost. House Bill 2870, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2870, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hultgren."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2870 would increase the current limitation on damages for vexatious or unreasonable delays in settlement or payment of claims against insurance companies. Current limits are 25,000 and 25 percent. This would raise it to 50,000 or 50 percent whichever is larger. This measure does not affect those companies that operate in good faith, only those that are unscrupulous. Would ask for a favorable Roll Call, Mr. Chairman. And in closing I'd like yield to Representative Cullerton for closing."

"Representative Parke in opposition."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it was about four years that it was raised to 25,000. In that four year period no insurance company has had a claim put against it. This is totally unnecessary. To raise it from 25 to 50 accomplishes nothing. The insurance company in good faith agreed to raise it to 25, being that there is no claims at all...in the four years against it. We just feel that this is further government interference in something that is functioning well. I ask for a 'no' vote on this Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 59 'ayes', 51 'nos'. Representative Hultgren asks for a Poll of those not voting."

"Poll of those not voting: Shirley Jones, Van 194  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Duyne, Wyvetter Younge." May 18, 1990

"On this Bill there are 59 'ayes', 51 'nos'. House Bill 2870 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 2929, Representative Novak, Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Novak, just a minute. On House Calendar Supplemental #1, Agreed Bills. to These Bills having received the Constitutional Majority are hereby declared passed. The vote totals are up here at the Clerk's office if anybody wants see the individual vote totals, but all Bills passed. House Bill 2929, Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2929, a Bill for an Act amend the Fireworks Regulation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Novak." to

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2929 simply broadens the definition of fireworks and incendiary devices as being dangerous to the public by the State Fire Marshall. I ask for your affirmative support."

"In opposition Representative Williamson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes." "Representative Novak, do you know at this time Novak: whether or not this Bill is planning on being amended in the Senate?" "Pardon me?"

"Do you know if at this time the Bill plans on being amended in the Senate?"

"I have no idea. No. I do not." the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, I would Williamson: to "Well, just ask for a 'no' vote on this Bill. This is a vehicle Bill that is being used for the fireworks legislation to legalize the sale of Class C fireworks, to my 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day understanding. May 18, 1990 That this would be adopted in the Senate. I ask for your 'no' vote."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative. Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if you vote 'no' on this Bill, you are voting against the Bill sponsored by the Illinois Society for the Prevention of Blindness. This is a very simple Bill. Let's run it out of here in accordance with the Sponsor."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 72 'ayes', 36 'nos'. House Bill 2929 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3119, Representative Parcells. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3119, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Parcells."

"Out of the record."

"Out of the record. House Bill 3142, Representative Stange. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3142, a Bill for an Act relating to crime statistic reports. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Stange."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3142 is regarding crime...statistics reporting by public and private universities to the State Police. It is a very simple Bill. It's Agreed Bill. Agreed in the Senate. I'd like to have your support."

"In opposition, Representative Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I take difference with this Agreed Bill. We've opposed it before. I think it's been on Postponed Consideration. It's a bad Bill. It does 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 nothing, but put more of Big Brother on the backs of local government, creates mandates to our local governments and to our private universities. I urge you to vote 'no'."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the previous speaker indicated this is the legislation which would require the keeping of statistics on crime by college and universities and they don't need this burden placed upon them. This is a bad vote, and I urge you to put your red votes up there to soundly defeat this legislation."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 41 'ayes', 51 'nos'. House Bill 3142 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 3293, Representative Capparelli... Representative Terzich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3293..."

"Mr. Clerk."

"...a Bill for an Act to create sanitary districts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. This Bill allows the bond anticipations note not to mature more than...not more than three years rather than one year after its issuance. And I know of no opposition. I'd urge your support."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 86 'ayes', and 23 'nos'. House Bill 3293 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Bill 3412, Representative Dunn.

May 18, 1990 Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." "House Bill 3412, a Bill for an Act courts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Dunn." concerning

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is the subject of ongoing negotiations, both proponents and opponents recommend an 'aye' vote and passage of the Bill at this stage to keep it moving."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 88 'ayes', 16 'nos'. House Bill 3412 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3575, Representative Bowman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3575, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman, did you announce to the House last week that we were passing your last Bill?"

"Well yeah, actually I did, because I hadn't expected to be here this week."

"You want this out of the record?"

"No, actually because... No. Let's go with it."

"Proceed. Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The emphasis of state and local homelessness efforts over the last ten years has been on sheltering those who are already homeless. But we have done nothing to address the underlying causes of homelessness. In many cases it can be prevented. What we have in many cases are people who lose their jobs, who fall behind in their rent or mortgage payments, who become evicted, who then go on public aid and wind up...wind up being in a metaphorical 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 sense wards of the state. We can prevent families from becoming homeless and get them back on their feet, but what we need to do first of all is make sure that they are able to remain in the private residential facility. So what I'm recommending with House Bill 3575 is that we provide an arrangement whereby the Department of Public Aid can grant up to three months of rent or mortgage arrears to AFDC eligible families to prevent evictions and foreclosures. Now, we are going to limit payments to those who can show that they will be able to pay for their housing when their arrears are paid up. So, this is not a bottomless pit or anything. We're not throwing the money away, only to find the people out on the street at the end of this period. But we're going to require that these payments be limited to people who can show that they will be able to get back on their feet and regain the control over their cash flow. It also allows the program to be administered on a pilot basis. I think this is very important because concerns have been raised about whether this is feasible. Okay. Those are the essential points. I think we all know what's in the Bill. I urge that you support this legislation as an effort to prevent homelessness. Thank you."

"Representative McCracken in opposition."

"This is worse than his last last Bill, will cost $43 million and should not be passed under any circumstances."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Preston. Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill won't cost anything. This Bill will save the state a fortune of money. If this Bill does not pass the state will have to spend money to provide foster care 199  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 for children, who this Bill will permit to be staying with their own parents. This is a small expense to prevent a very large expense to the state."

Speaker McPike: "Representative Preston...I'm sorry. Representative Bowman, you are not allowed to close. No one has closed in the last four hours. To explain your vote, Representative Bowman. To explain your vote, Representative Bowman."

"Right. Representative McCracken give me a break. $43 million! Baloney! This is a pilot program. The...yes, I do blame them...because if the Department of Public Aid were something to prevent homelessness, we wouldn't have to be pumping millions of dollars into homeless programs and shelters. We ought to do something to keep people out of the shelters to keep people in their homes. This is a pilot program, and SO we can see exactly what the parameters need to be in order to make sure that a program like this applied on a statewide basis will in fact work."

"Representative Davis to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I really think this is an excellent piece of legislation, because I recently experienced a case in which a man had worked for twenty years or more and had become suddenly incapacitated, but upon receipt of the payments that were owed him by the company that he worked as well as the industrial commission, he was allowed to save his home. There was another case in which a woman had experienced a lot of deaths at one time, and before her...the estate was settled she was being put out of her home because she needed funds for a very temporary period of time in which she would have been allowed to pay it back. And I think this is a piece of legislation that will actually save the state and the taxpayers money over a short period of time. By not voting 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 for this kind of legislation we're really...we're continuing to add people to the rolls who really don't have to be there. We're creating people...we're making homeless people who...people out of people who could actually save their property and be self-sustaining. Why are we doing this?"

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 45 'ayes' and 62 'nos'. House Bill 3575 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 3576, Representative Goforth."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's against the rules to introduce people from Red Bud up in our class, now, isn't it? Up there in the audience. Isn't that against the rules?"

"Where are they from?"

"From Red Bud, Illinois."

"Yes. That's against the rules."

"Thanks."

"Representative Bowman on House Bill 3576. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3576, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman. Give the Gentleman your attention."

"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We have in Illinois right now a catch-22, that leaves...could we have just a little more order, thanks...just, thanks. Okay...we have in the state right now a catch-22, which leaves some children in limbo, because what we...what happens is the parents are evicted, they go out on the street and now the state moves in through DCFS to take the kids away from the parents because 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 they are homeless and the parents can't provide for shelter. The law says that if the parents can't provide for shelter that's sufficient grounds to take the kids away from the parents. The trouble is...now they can't get reunited because the parents are living in shelters...and there is no way of reuniting them because as long as they are there, they cannot...receive any kind of housing assistance from public aid. So, what we're going to do with this Bill is permit the department to pay security deposits and one month's rent to get the families back together again, to reunite the kids with their parents SO they aren't in limbo. This will effect a very small number of kids statewide, but for those kids it is a big, big problem because they are separated from their families needlessly. I urge you to support this legislation."

"Representative McCracken in opposition."

"This is money that is not in the budget. There was no Amendment offered to put this money into the budget. The budget as introduced by the department was cut by about $ll million. You give with one hand and take away with the other, this should be defeated."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Preston,"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I sometimes wonder how Representative McCracken is able to sleep at night. This is going...this Bill simply saves the State of Illinois money if this Bill doesn't pass, those children effected by it will have to be in foster care, which costs one hell of a lot of more money, than does a month's security deposit to help the family stay together with their own parents."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have 202  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 47 'ayes' and 55 'nos'. House Bill 3576 having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared lost. House Bill 3611, Representative Santiago. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3611, a Bill for an Act to provide for the recovery of civil damages from certain torts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Santiago."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is part of the Dug...Drug Package that we put together in this House of Representatives. This Bill was also debated last night very thoroughly, so what I'm going to ask is for your favorable consideration. Thank you."

"Representative Johnson in opposition."

"No...just..."

"Does anyone rise in opposition?"

"Yes...I rise in opposition. I just wonder if we could explain a little more of the Bill, than just to say we debated it yesterday. What does it do?"

"Representative Santiago."

"Well, what is your question? The Bill...the Bill has three main parts. One, number one, is the Drug Paraphernalia Control Act, which is...has been amended. It makes the drug paraphernalia a Class IV felony. Number two, it has the..."

"Is that...let me just ask along the way is that the attempt to reenact to law that continues to get declared unconstitutional, or is it something different?"

"I can't hear you...what you're saying."

"Well, I...we've been passing drug paraphernalia Bills down here for fifteen years and the court continues to strike them down. I wonder if this is the same one or 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day something different?" May 18, 1990

"This is the same...the same thing that was proposed by Johnson: Father Clements last year. This part of the Bill was in the Grand Jury Bill." "I'm sorry. I won't ask the question again. Go ahead...what's the second part of it?"

"The second part is...has the Torts Claim Act. What this does...this part will create a statutory rights of actions for civil damages for the use of properties to facilitate a controlled substance transaction."

"When you...who does it give a cause of action to and against whom is the cause of action going to be asserted?"

"Property owners may be able to sue drug dealers that...for example, they rent an apartment to a drug dealer and he uses that facility to sell narcotics, what happens is that the...the owner...property owner will be able to sue that individual civilly for damages."

"Well, what kind of damages? What..."

"And also if..."

"What kind of damages would they sue for?"

"There is a whole list. There's a range of penalties here. When the property is used to facilitate..."

"That's not what my question is. What...what is the nature of damages that would accrue to a property owner because someone misused his property? I mean..."

"Well, the Bill doesn't have that explanation. It has a...a number of situations where the property owner may be able to collect."

"But my question is, you know, create a cause of action in a dram shop, you create a cause of action for people who are hurt because somebody is intoxicated and caused an accident, create a cause of action for structural work act, you create a cause of action for somebody who is injured as 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 a result of falling off the scaffold. My question is what damages...not the amounts, but what kind of injury does someone accrue because of misuse of their property?...that wouldn't be covered under current law?"

"What basically is...if someone uses your property without your knowledge, I think your...you should be able to sue that individual for damages."

"That's my question. What are the damages?"

"I told you...have the list of damages that...in the Bill if that you want me to go through, there's ten of them here...seven of them."

"So, somebody misuses your property, uses it for an illegal purpose, now you can get what amounts to punitive damages, is that right?"

"Representative Johnson, could we bring your dialogue to a close, so we could move ahead today?"

"What we are creating is statutory damages in such cases."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 102 'ayes', and 2 'nos'. House Bill 3611 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House... Bill 3625, Representative Ronan. 3625, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3625, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to contractors and material men's liens. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative DeLeo."

"I'd like...Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members. I'd like leave of the House to bring this back to Second Reading...for purpose of an Amendment."

"Gentleman asks leave to bring the Bill back to 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day Second Reading. Any objections? Hearing none, the Bill is on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Ronan and DeLeo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again I'd ask leave if I may present this for Representative Ronan. Amendment #1 becomes the Bill. It changes the definition. It no longer amends the Mechanic Lien's Acts, which originally included real estate brokers. Now this will change the definition of a contractor entitled to a lien, to include individuals who lease other than the residential purposes a tract of land or structure and a commercial leasing agent. This Amendment was worked out with the Illinois Association of Realtors and Home Builders. I ask for its adoption, which it becomes the Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk...The Gentleman asks leave to hear the Bill on Third Reading at this time. Are there any objections? Hearing none the Attendance Roll Call is used. Leave is granted. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3625, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to contractors and material men's liens. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Dunn."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, we've moved awfully fast here. If what I understand, maybe I don't, but I think this gives a real estate broker a mechanic's lien. And mechanic's lien law 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 is quite complicated and I don't think that real estate brokers need to have mechanic's liens, SO I don't know whether that's it or not. No chance to explain the vote, so I vote 'no' and urge defeat of this Bill, if I'm correct."

"Representative DeLeo. Representative Giglio. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 97 'ayes' and 3 'nos'. House Bill 3625 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3699, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3699, a Bill for an Act in relation to training for county treasurers. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Novak."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3699 provides for a training program for the county treasurers. Requires county treasurers to apply for admission to the program within sixty days after assuming office. This Bill was discussed in Constitutional Officers Committee and it received a favorable vote unanimously. And I ask for your approval."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' Representative Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One question of the Sponsor. Does the Bill also include a pay raise for the county treasurers?"

"A stipend. A stipend has been in effect for them since 1986, but..."

"It increases the stipend?"

"Right."

"Thank you."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 70 'ayes', 38 'nos'. House Bill 3699 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3707. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3707, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill extends the statutes of limitations for the victims of childhood sexual abuse. Under the amended version of this Bill, the Amendment coming about as a result of conversation in committee. It would now permit the action to be taken up to two years after the discovery of the incident with a cap at age 30, so that no one would be able to file past that age. I think that it is a good addition to our protection for childhood victims of sexual assault and would ask for support of the Members."

"Representative Countryman in opposition."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to this Bill. This creates a statute of limitations that really goes on...well beyond any other statute of limitations that we have ever seen. It will go on now...the Sponsor says to age 30, but it's...when somebody claims that they have made a discovery or claimed that they have had some sort of sexual abuse. It really means there's no statute of limitations before age 30. I think it's a bad Bill and vote 'no'."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Satterthwaite to explain her vote."

"Mr. Speaker, what happens in the cases of 208  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 childhood sexual abuse is that usually the person represses the fact that this abuse has occurred. And that is the reason that we need to extend this limitation. I thank the Members for their votes."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 98 'ayes', 9 'nos'. House Bill 3707 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3846, Representative Kulas. Out of the record. House Bill 3868, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3868, a Bill for an Act to amend the Counties Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Steczo."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd ask leave to bring this Bill back to the Order of Second Reading."

"Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the order of Second Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Bill is on Second Reading. Are there any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Steczo."

"Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 deletes everything after the enacting clause and relates the Bill to cable television and conforms cable TV franchising rights in unincorporated areas franchised by a county board and then subsequently annexed by a municipality to the provisions of the Federal Cable Act of 1984. The Amendment allows an annexing municipality to regulate the cable TV services in newly annexed area. It maintains the original agreement between the counties and the municipality. A franchise fee shall be paid to the franchising county for a period of 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 five years or upon termination of the franchise. Finally, it provides for the equitable competition for cable services in a newly annexed area. The Amendment is necessary to avoid unnecessary litigation over arbitrary termination of duly granted county franchises and duly annexed area. I move for the adoption."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3868, a Bill for an Act to amend the Counties Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 133 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 3868 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3875, Representative Giorgi. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3875, a Bill for an Act to amend the Vital Records Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, the present law indicates that any person can seek to disinter the remains of another without notifying next of kin survivors. This amends the Vital Records ds Act to provide that a surviving spouse and next of kin must be notified of a petition to disinter a body. I know of no objection to the Bill."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 109 'ayes', no 'nays'. House Bill 3875 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Speaker Madigan in the Chair."

"House Bill 3941, Representative Satterthwaite."

"House Bill 3941, a Bill for an Act to amend the Health Maintenance Organization Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I've amended this Bill SO many times trying to accommodate anybody that I'm not sure it does anything more. With leave of the House I would like to ask to have the Bill placed in Interim Study."

"Leave is granted. House Bill 4023, Mr. Turner."

"House Bill 4023, a Bill for an Act concerning driver education. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4023 simply makes it a prerequisite that drivers education instructors successfully complete a course, which teaches them training in drug and substance abuse as well as the Anatomical Gift Act. I move for the favorable Roll Call of House Bill 4023."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Okay. I got my answer. Thank you."

"Mr. McCracken? Those in favor of the Bill vote 'aye'. Those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourself. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4116, Mr. Hicks. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4116, a Bill for an Act to amend the 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Illinois Lottery Law. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Hicks."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4116 is a grammatical change of the law. I'd be happy to answer any question."

"Mr. Balanoff."

"Yes. Mr. Speaker, earlier today in an inquiry of the Chair we found out that it was out of order to introduce children who were in the balcony from Red Bud, Illinois...I was just curious if it was also out of order to introduce children from Robert A. Black school who are now in the balcony from Chicago?"

"Those in favor of passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Mr. McCracken. Mr. Hicks. There is a request for a verification. On this question there are 62 'ayes', 49 'nos'. Mr. Clerk will you Poll the Absentees?"

"Poll of those not voting: Lou Jones and Martinez, no further."

"Mr. Clerk, read the names of those voting 'aye'."

"Bowman. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Edley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Goforth. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Shirley Jones. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Morrow. Mulcahey. Munizzi. Novak. Phelps. Preston. Rice. Richmond. Saltsman. Santiago. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Trotter. Turner. Van Duyne. 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day White. Williams. Wolf. May 18, 1990 Woolard. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. And Mr. Speaker."

"Questions? Questions? Mr. McCracken."

"Yes. Thank you. Representative Shirley Jones?"

"Shirley Jones. Remove the Lady from the Roll Call."

"Representative Davis?"

"The Lady is in her chair."

"Representative Mulcahey?"

"Mr. Mulcahey. Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."

"Representative Stern?"

"Representative Stern? Remove the Lady from the Roll Call."

"Representative Santiago?"

"Mr. Santiago? Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."

"Representative Capparelli?"

"Mr. Capparelli? Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."

"It's going to die..."

"Were there more questions, Mr. McCracken?"

"No."

"More questions? Place this, this matter now has 57 'aye' votes and it shall be placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. House Bill 4180, Mr. Shaw. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4180, a Bill for an Act in regards to scholarship athletics at state universities. Third Reading of the Bill,"

"Mr. Shaw."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is a Bill that deals with the...with the 213  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 living expenses for athletes for scholarships. And certainly this Bill has been debated once and certainly I would appreciate your support on the...on the Bill."

"Mr. McCracken."

"We rise in opposition to the Bill and ask for a 'no' vote."

"Mr. Dunn."

"Mr. Speaker, I may be confused, but I thought we passed this Bill already today."

"Mr. Shaw."

"They're telling me it was a different Bill back here, so...let me...does this have the..."

"Mr. Shaw."

"Can...can...we take it out of the record, Mr. Speaker?"

"Take this matter out of the record. House Bill 4193, Mr. McGann. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 4193, a Bill for an Act to amend the Build Illinois Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Speaker, can I have leave of the House to take this back to Second Reading for purpose of Amendment?"

"The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Second Reading."

"Thank you."

"Amendment #1 offered by Representative Keane and McN...McGann."

"Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the Assembly, Amendment #1 is actually really a cleanup Amendment. It's a change that was suggested by DCCA relative to disclosures and I would ask for adoption of Amendment #1 to 4193."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?" 214  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"No further Amendments." May 18, 1990

"Third Reading. Mr. McGann. Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. House Bill 4193 has the support of DCCA. What it does it just deletes the requirements for public disclosure financial information by the department, but at the same time businesses receiving assistance through the Build Illinois Programs under the control of DCCA will be required to disclose financial information to the department only, and I would ask for passage of House Bill 4193. Be happy to answer any questions."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 100 'ayes', 8 people voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Let's go back to House Bill 4180, Mr. Shaw. Mr. Shaw on House Bill 4180."

"This Bill has been debated and it deals with..."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Just want to inquire of the Clerk. What Amendments have been adopted to the Bill?"

"Mr. Clerk."

"No Amendments are adopted."

"The Gentleman wishes to call the Bill. Those in favor vote 'aye'. Those opposed vote 'no'. Clerk shall take the record. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 37 'ayes', 61 'nos'. This Bill having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3395...failed. The Bill failed. House Bill 3395, Mr. Preston. Mr. Clerk." 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"House Bill 3395, a Bill for an Act in relation to charitable trusts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Preston."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd ask leave to bring this Bill back to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment."

"The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Second Reading."

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 essentially makes this Bill a shell Bill. This is the Charitable Solicitation Act which has been the subject of substantial negotiations between all interested parties. Most of the problems have been worked out. There are still negotiations taking place between the Attorney General's Office and the Veterans Admin...the Veterans Association and we...I'd ask that this Amendment be adopted SO we can pass this Bill to the Senate and continue those negotiations."

"Mr. McCracken. Mr. McCracken."

"I understand that the Attorney General is working with the interested parties and plans on reaching an accommodation. I support the Amendment."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Third Reading. Those in favor of the passage of this shell Bill vote 'aye'. Those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3395, a Bill for an Act in relation to charitable trusts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Clerk shall take the record. On this...Mr. 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Parke. Mr. Parke." May 18, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I might point out that there is agreement on behalf of the Veterans and the Attorney General's Office. And unless you have some other reason, there should be really no red votes on this. They made an agreement through the Attorney General's office and the Veterans that this Bill would not move. The agreement was made that this Bill would not move unless the Veterans group said it was okay."

"On this question there are 96 'ayes', 7 'nos'. The Bill having received...Record Mr. Novak as 'aye'. On this question there are 97 'ayes', 7 'nos'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3755...3755. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3755, a Bill for an Act to amend the Nursing Home Care Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Mr. Lang."

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Levin."

"Mr. Lang.".

"Mr. Speaker, I...I'm now a Cosponsor of this Bill. On behalf of Representative Levin we'd like to table Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Mr. Clerk."

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Lang."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendments 2 and 3 can be withdrawn, please."

"The Amendments are withdrawn. Are there any further Amendments?" 217  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990

"Floor Amendment #4 offered by Representative Lang."

"Mr. Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #4 does one thing. It allows the Department of Public Aid to develop a rate structure by which residents in long-term homes that need kosher food can get kosher food to them. This allows the Department of Public Aid to provide a 50¢ per day stipend to long-term homes for the purpose of providing kosher food. As I'm sure many of you know the religious rules that some Jews live by require them to eat certain types of food. This type of food is more expensive in most cases than other food, and so that these people can continue to live by their religious rules, we ask adoption of this Amendment."

"Mr. Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We've worked out an agreement on this from our side, and there should be no red votes on this. There is no problem with this Bill now."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3755, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 102 'ayes', 3 people voting 'no'. This Bill having received a 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3318. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 3318."

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Representative Currie."

"There was a Floor Amendment, I believe, Mr. Clerk. I think the Bill was waiting for a fiscal note and I believe the fiscal note is filed."

"Mr. McCracken."

"We're told there are to be two Floor Amendments, is that right? Just one?...alright."

"Mr. Clerk, how many Amendments are there?"

"Amendment 1 has been adopted."

"The Amendment is adopted?"

"The Amendment has been adopted."

"Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Third Reading. And on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of this House. This Bill would merely add to the kinds of consideration the department uses in setting the standard of need. Some consideration for winter clothing needs. It does not create a special needs category. It just asks the department to include that among the factors that go into setting that standard." 219  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Mr. McCracken."

"Alright. We...we had phenomenal sums of money necessary for this, and now I'm being told that's not true. But the Floor Amendment doesn't seem to me to accomplish that. Will you explain to me why this doesn't cost any money now?"

"Because all the Amendment...what the Bill does as amended is state that the department among the other things that it considers in setting the standard of need shall consider the need for winter clothing among school children. As you know that standard does not determine our appropriation level and the Department of Public Aid...says there is no fiscal impact."

"Alright...okay. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107, 'ayes' no one voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3565. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3565, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This codifies what the Department of Public Aid currently does to provide support services to people in the Project Chance Program. I would appreciate your support."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On 220  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day this question May 18, 1990 there are 107 'aye'...107 people voting 'aye', no one voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Chair recognizes Mr. DeJaegher...on Senate Joint Resolution #121. Mr. DeJaegher."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would appreciate support on Senate Joint Resolution 121. All it does is extend the deadline for board care facilities."

"Those in favor of the Resolution signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 people voting 'aye', no one voting 'no'. The Resolution is adopted. Ladies and Gentlemen, let me have your attention. It is now 20 minutes to 5. There are three special orders which have not received any attention today. That would be Education, Human Services, and Civil Law. Our plan would be to go through those three orders one time and then we leave. If we move quickly, we ought to be able to finish in about twenty minutes to a half an hour. So, on the Education Special Order, Second Reading. House Bill 1222."

"House Bill 1222, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2 and 4 were adopted in committee."

"Mr. Curran."

"Mr. Speaker, this Bill is not in a proper position to be voted on at this time. I wish it to be taken out of the record."

"Thank you, Mr. Curran. House Bill 3067. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3067, a Bill for an Act to amend the Baccalaureate Assistance Law for Registered Nurses. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in 221  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day committee." May 18, 1990

"Does anyone rise on this Bill? 3067. Mr. Clerk, who was the Bill's Sponsor?"

"Representative Turner and Homer."

"...Mr. Homer."

"Mr. Speaker, I understand this matter is somewhat controversial. Let's take it out of the record."

"Very good. House Bill 1382. Mr. Clerk, who was the Bill's Sponsor?"

"The Bill Sponsor is Representative Cowlishaw."

"Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1382 as amended simply places community colleges in the same...with the same provisions for the Purchasing Act as state universities already have. The floor leader on your side has...had raised some doubts about whether the exempt...whether the current exemptions and provisions of the...Purchasing Act as they are now in effect for state universities are really as they ought to be. I think I have to agree with that. And perhaps at a later date we ought to look at all of this for both community colleges and state universities, but for the time being it seems to me if this is what we have for state universities, this is what we ought to also have for community colleges. I move for its adoption."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1382, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 103 people voting 'aye', one person voting 'no'. This Bill 222  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3421, Mr. Matijevich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3421, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, House Bill 3421 is a vehicle Bill for the Illinois Adult Association. Larry Stuffel, who lobbies for them, informs me that they've had discussions with the Board of Higher Education and State Board, and they are close to language that is agreeable, but they'd like to move the Bill to the Senate, SO I would ask for your favorable support."

"Those in favor of passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 people voting 'aye', no one voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 975, Representative Currie. Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 1651, Representative Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1651..."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Is this on Postponed Consideration?"

"I believe it is, Mr. McCracken."

"We have been taking out of the record, these Bills until giving everybody a chance for a vote. I would ask you to do that this time as well."

"Well, I think your point is well taken. So the Bill shall be taken out of the record. House Bill 3347, Representative Lou Jones. Take the Bill out of the record. 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day House Bill 3515, Representative Lou Jones. May 18, 1990 Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 4216, Mr. Bowman. Take the Bill out of the record. We'll skip over the resolutions and we'll go to the Call of Civil Law. House Bill 3108, Representative Stern...excuse me...the Clerk informs me that House Bill 3108 is on the Order of Interim Study. House Bill 3674, Mr. Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3674, a Bill for an Act in relation to child support. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Kubik."

"Mr. Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I have leave to withdraw 1 and 2, and go to Amendment #3?"

"Amendments #1 and 2 shall be withdrawn. Mr. Clerk, there is an Amendment #3. Mr. Kubik is recognized on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 strips the Bill, makes it a shell. This is a Citizens Council of Public Aid and Women initiative on the child...the expedited child support process. What we'd like to do is strip the Bill, send it over to the Senate, continue the discussion and when we get an agreement, pass the Bill. So, I appreciate your support."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3674, a Bill for an Act in relation to child support. Third Reading of the Bill." 224  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 people voting 'aye', no one voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2972, Representative Stern. Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 3256, Mr. John Dunn. I'm informed that this Bill is on the Order of Interim Study. House Bill 3395, Mr. Preston. I believe this Bill was already passed, hasn't it, Mr. Preston? House Bill 3402, Representative Stern. Take this Bill out of the record. House Bill 3509, Representative Wojcik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3509, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes. I'd like to have leave to take it back to Second for purpose of an Amendment."

"The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Wojcik."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes. Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. The Amendment becomes the Bill. The Amendment would return judicial standing to mayors acting as the Liquor Control Commissioners in cases in which he wished to appeal an adverse decision from the Illinois Liquor Control Commission. Previous to the court case of Greer versus Illinois Liquor Control Commission the local commissioner had the opportunity to appeal in this matter. The Amendment is a result of an agreement between a Northwest 225  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Municipal Conference, Illinois Retail Merchants, Associated Beer Distributors and the Illinois Retail Liquor Association. The Illinois Liquor Control Commission also supports the Amendment. I ask its favorable passage."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3509, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3513, Mr. Countryman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3513, a Bill for an Act in relation to electronic home detention. Third Reading of the Bill."

Speaker Madigan" "Mr. Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill amends the Juvenile Court Act Code of Criminal Procedure and the Unified Code of Corrections. It creates a home.. Electronic Home Detention Law, establishes the standards for placing offenders on the approved electronic monitoring devices as an alternative to incarceration. We have certain limitations that we have amended into the Bill. It does not apply to first degree or second degree murder or attempted first degree murder or Class X felony, certain drug violations, Class II or greater felonies, criminal sexual assaults, A-rated battery 226  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 of senior citizens. This is my last House Bill. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 104 people voting 'aye', 3 people voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. The Chair would direct the attention of the Members to Supplemental Calendar #5 where there are two Senate Bills which do not have House Sponsors. We would encourage you to pick up the sponsorship of these Bills, so that we can move these Bills through the House process. House Bill 3766, Mr. Homer. 3766. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Homer."

"House Bill 3766, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to clerks of courts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is offered by the Clerks Association to standardize the practice of collecting the $36 annual fee for child support. I would move for its adoption...its passage."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record, Mr. Hoffman, Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 94 'ayes', 10 people voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. We...we will do four more Bills...four more Bills. No more requests. No more requests. Four more Bills. First Bill will be House Bill 3284 by Mr. Myron Olson. Mr. Clerk, 227  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 read the Bill."

"House Bill 3284, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to certain investments. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Mr. Olson." Olson, Μ.: "Mr. Speaker, there is an Amendment which I wish to offer. Would be Amendment #1 it was filed about three or four days ago."

"Mr. Clerk, is there an Amendment #1?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Myron Olson." Olson, Μ.: "Mr. Speaker, this Amendment is offered to redress Senate Bill 952 last year, which basically precluded treasurers in small towns from also being bankers. We are going back to the old rule which would in effect put in the seven and a half percent conflict of interest rule. I move for its adoption."

"Those in favor say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3284, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to certain investments of public funds. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Quick question. Which treasurers are you talking about?" Olson, M.: "We're talking about those, Sir, who may live in small towns."

"County treasurers?" Olson, M.: "No. These would be city treasurers...municipal."

"Not the State Treasurer? Fine. Thank you." 228  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Olson, M.: "No. This is a Municipal League initiative. We move for adoption."

"Those in favor of this passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 104 people voting 'aye', 2 people voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2898, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2898, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Cullerton on Amendment #2."

"Yes. Mr. Speaker, this provides for drug and alcohol testing for...public transportation drivers annually by a doctor or under a doctor's supervision unless the driver is also subject to testing pursuant to federal law. Requires random testing upon discretionary requests of the employer. The employer pays for the testing. It does not apply to school bus drivers, but rather public...people who would transport the public."

"Mr. Dunn,"

"Just to clarify that last point. This Bill does not apply to school bus drivers because they do not transport the general public, is that correct?"

"That's correct."

"Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment 229  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

May 18, 1990 "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2898, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Black."

"Just one quick question, Mr. Speaker. Representative, if a transit company wanted to institute a drug testing program for its drivers, at the current time, could they do so without this Bill?"

"Yes. And the СТА for example has a drug testing program right now and they are in support of the Bill." of the Bill

"Thank you."

"Those in favor of the passage signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 104 people voting 'aye', voting 'no'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 14 the regular Calendar under the Order of Conference Committee Reports there appears Senate Bill 1333, Mr. Hultgren. Mr. Hultgren." Hultgren: no one "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We discussed this last night. Representative Matijevich had a question at that time and I think that question has been resolved. Also, I can report to you that Doug Whitley from the Taxpayers Federation has taken a look at this Conference Committee Report and his concerns have resolved as well. So, I'd ask for a favorable Roll Call on the Conference Committee Report. on some legislation we passed last Spring." been

It's a clean up Speaker Madigan: "Mr. Dunn." 230  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Maybe that answered my question. This doesn't make any major changes in that Bill, does it?...Okay. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Conference Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 102 people voting 'aye', no one voting 'no'. This Conference Report having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Mr. Steczo concerning a Conference Report on Senate Bill 1289. Mr. Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask for the suspension of the appropriate rule to have the Conference Committee Report heard at this time."

"Is there leave? Mr. McCracken."

"Yeah. I'm not sure what we are doing. Are we trying to extend the deadline or something?"

"Mr. Steczo, could you offer a brief explanation?"

"Mr. Speaker, we're trying to adopt a report which has to be adopted and signed into law prior to the end of June."

"Did we talk about this?...okay."

"Yes."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the report signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 104 people voting 'aye', no one voting 'no'. This report having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. There is one more item, Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson. One more item. Recognize Mr. Johnson. 3182, Mr. Johnson." 231  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 120th Legislative Day

"Oh, I thought you were going to give me an early birthday present. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"This is the Bill that deals with the University of Illinois."

"Well, it could." . Speaker Madigan: "Right."

"Could deal with Bradley and Southern and a lot of them. This is, or was, the NCAA Due Process Reform Bill. As we're aware it is...a number now and a title and we're hopeful that as the course of the Spring goes along that we can put something together that would be productive for the whole state and University of Illinois and Bradley and various other scholars. So, thanks for your help."

"Did you clarify that this is now a shell Bill?"

"Well, I wish it were a shell Bill. Unfortunately, it is an involuntary shell Bill. I would appreciate your vote."

"Right...it is a shell Bill. Mr. Dunn."

"I don't think there is anything good to be put in this shell Bill so I rise in opposition and I hope this Bill is soundly defeated."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Well, when we started out, Mr. Speaker, Johnson had the substantive Bill and I had the shell Bill. Now he's got the shell Bill and I've got the substantive Bill. Normally...normally, of course, we know we are not supposed to pass Republican shell Bills, but maybe we can make an exception in this case and have two Bills over in the Senate to see what happens with this issue."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3182, a Bill for an Act concerning athletic associations and right of member institutions. Third Reading of the Bill." 232  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 96 'ayes', 7 'nos'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. We shall do two more items: the Adjournment Resolution and the Agreed Resolutions. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution."

"Senate Joint Resolution 181. Resolved, by the Senate of the 86th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the Senate adjourns on Friday, May 18, 1990 it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 22, 1990 at 1:00 o'clock p.m. And when the House of Representatives adjourns on Friday, May 18, 1990 it stands adjourned until Wednesday, May 30th, 1990 at 12:00 o'clock noon."

"Mr. McPike moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The resolution is adopted. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Senate Joint Resolution 172, Munizzi; 173, Black; 178, Black; 180, Munizzi; 176, Madigan. House Resolution 1762, Krska; 1763, Ropp; 1764, Wennlund; 1765, DeJaegher; 1766, Keane; 1767, Davis; 1768, Johnson; 1770, Harris; 1771, Harris; 1772, Harris; 1773, Stephens; 1774, Bowman."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Those in favor of the Agreed Resolutions say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1769, offered by Representative 233  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Deuchler et al."

May 18, 1990 "Committee on Assignment. Anything further, Mr. Clerk? Providing Perfunctory Time for Messages from the Senate and also for the First Reading of Senate Bills. The House will now adjourn to May 30th at 12:00 noon and please be advised and reminded that when we return our weekly sequence will be for Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of that week. So, we are coming back on May 30th at 12:00 noon for a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday sequence. Mr. McPike moves that the House stand adjourned. Those in favor say 'aye'. Those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The House does stand adjourned."

Secretary. "A Message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following title, the passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House Representatives, to wit; Senate Bills #1482, 1510, 2013, 2015, 2084, 2213, 2267, 2274, 2291, 1569, 2116, 2164, 2304, 1488, 1489, 1497, 1532, 1589, 1761, 1809, 1951, 1986, 2012, passed by the Senate May 18, 1990. Linda Hawker, Secretary of the Senate."

"Introduction and First Reading of Senate Bills: Senate Bill 1488, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1489, offered by Representative Bugielski, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1497, offered by Representative Capparelli, a Bill for an Act to amend the States Mandates Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1532, offered by Representative Lou Jones, a Bill for an Act in relationship to regulated professions. 234  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1990 First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1589, offered by Representative McPike, a Bill for an Act to appropriate funds for the Alton Lake Heritage Parkway. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1761, offered by Representative Kulas, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Low-level Radioactive Waste Management Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1809, offered by Representative Frederick, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Office of State Fire Marshall. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1951, offered by Representative Wolf, a Bill for an Act in relationship to...retirement and annuities. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1986, offered by Representative Ronan, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2012, offered by Representative Peterson, a Bill for an Act to amend the Statute on Statutes by changing Section 1.12. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1569, offered by Representative Hasara, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Employees Group Insurance Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2116, offered by Representative Ryder, a Bill for an Act in relationship to taxation. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2164, offered by Representative Novak, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unify...Unified Code of Corrections. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2304, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Illinois Income Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1482, offered by Representative Steczo, a Bill for an Act pertaining to incineration emission standards. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1510, offered by Representative Mautino, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2013, offered by Representative 235  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 to Peterson...that's William Peterson, a Bill for an Act amend an Act to establish a Joint Legislative Reference Bureau. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2015, offered by William Peterson, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relation...by combining multiple enactments and making technical corrections. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2084, offered by Representative Ewing, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Lottery Law. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2213, offered by Representative Shirley Jones, a Bill for an Act in relationship to private decision making to forego life sustaining treatment. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2267, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act in relationship to criminal law. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2274, offered by Representative Phelps, a Bill for an Act concerning economic development. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2291, offered by Representative LeFlore, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. Continuing with Introductions and First Readings: Senate Bill 1487, offered by Representative McCracken, a Bill for an Act in relationship to corporations. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1496, offered by Representative Lechowicz, a Bill for an Act to amend the Counties Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1565, offered by Representative...correction...Senate Bill 1496 is offered by Representative Capparelli and Bugielski, a Bill for an Act to amend the County Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1565, offered by Representative Bugielski, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1571, offered by Representative DeJaegher, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to transfer of property. First Reading of the 236  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Bill. Senate Bill 1593, offered by Representative Trotter, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Alcoholism and Other Drug Dependency Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1627, offered by Representative Pullen, a Bill for an Act in relationship to property taxation. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1638, offered by Representative McPike, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1639, offered by Representative McPike, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts regarding injuries. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1783, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to various agencies. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1788...continuing with Introductions and First Readings: House Bill 1788, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Governors. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1791, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illinois community college Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1793, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to certain retirement systems. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1794, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to State Universities Civil Service System. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1795, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the Abandoned Mine Lands Reclamation Council. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1799, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Bureau of the Budget. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1800, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making 237  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day appropriations to the Department of Central Management Services. First Reading of the Bill. Senate 1801, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Civil Service Commission. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1802, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to various agencies. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1803, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Conservation. First reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1804, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to Court of Claims. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1805, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Employment Security. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1806, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Environmental Protection Trust Fund Act Commission. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1807, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Environmental Protection Agency. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1812, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Industrial Commission. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1813, offered Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Labor. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1814, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Local Labor Relations Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1815, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of the Lottery. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1817, 238  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Military Affairs. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1818, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Nuclear Safety. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1819, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to Prairie State 2000 Authority. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1820, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of Public Counsel. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1821, offered by Representative Frederick, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to state agencies and certain retirement systems. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1822, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of Commissioner of Savings and Loan Associations. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1823, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Labor Relations Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1824, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of State Police. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1825, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to State Police Merit Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1830, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Prisoner Review Board. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1833, offered by Representative Leverenz, a Bill for an Act relating to the Bound Authorization. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1846, offered by Representative Bowman, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Comptroller's 239  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Act. First Reading of the Bill. May 18, 1990 Senate Bill 1905, offered by Representative Harris, a Bill for an Act to amend the Local Government Debt Reform Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1949, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to cemeteries. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1962, offered by Representative Mautino et al, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to comprehensive health insurance. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1991, offered by Representative Black, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the Vermilion County Conservation District. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2067, offered by Representative Saltsman, a Bill for an Act to amend the Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2111, offered by Representative Parke, a Bill for an Act in relationship to waste management. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2127, offered by Representative Wojcik, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Health and Safety Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2155, offered by Representative Stern, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2166, offered by Representative Homer, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2176, offered by Representative LeFlore, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2182, offered by Representative Anthony Young, a Bill for an Act concerning state agencies. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2184, offered by Representative Currie, a Bill for an Act in relationship to taxes. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2193, offered by Representative Phelps, a Bill for an Act to create the Juvenile Detention Center Revolving Loan Fund. First Reading of the Bill. Senate 240  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day May 18, 1990 Bill 2216, offered by Representative Countryman, a Bill for an Act to amend the Principal and Income Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2229, offered by Representative Munizzi, a Bill for an Act in relationship to home rule units. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2237, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning condemnation. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2239, offered by Representative Mautino, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2275, offered by Representative Novak, a Bill for an Act to discourage illegal controlled substances. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2306, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to demolition of buildings. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2308, offered by Representative Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 2309, offered by Representative Anthony Young, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. No further business. The House will now stand adjourned until Wednesday, May 30th at the hour of 12:00 noon." 241  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 18, 1990 91/03/06 11:36:43 H5-0706 THIRD READING PAGE 184 HB-0706 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 177 H3-1007 THIRD READING PAGE 177 HB-1014 THIRD READING PAGE 186 HB-1042 THIRD READING PAGE 46 HB-1222 SECOND READING PAGE 221 HB-1222 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 221 HB-1382 THIRD READING PAGE 222 HB-1619 THIRD READING PAGE 189 HB-1619 POSTPONED CONSIDERATION PAGE 190 H3-1656 THIRD READING PAGE 190 HS-2399 SECOND READING PAGE 136 H6-2399 THIRD READING PAGE 137 H3-2533 THIRD READING PAGE 191 HD-2535 THIRD READING PAGE 192 H3-2538 THIRD READING PAGE 193 HB-2714 THIRD READING PAGE 54 HB-2867 SECOND READING PAGE 79 HB-2867 THIRD READING PAGE 80 HB-2870 THIRD READING PAGE 194 HB-2874 SECOND READING PAGE 80 HB-2874 THIRD READING PAGE 81 H3-2876 SECOND READING PAGE 82 HS-2876 THIRD READING PAGE 82 HB-2893 SECOND READING PAGE 229 H3-2898 THIRD READING PAGE 230 HB-2907 THIRD READING PAGE 31 HB-2923 THIRD READING PAGE 46 H6-2924 THIRD READING PAGE 108 HB-2929 THIRD READING PAGE 195 H3-2957 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-2957 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-2991 SECOND READING PAGE 137 HB-2991 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 140 HB-3019 THIRD READING PAGE 55 HB-3025 THIRD READING PAGE 109 HB-3067 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 222 HB-3114 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-3114 THIRD READING PAGE 25 HB-3119 THIRD READING PAGE 196 HB-3119 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 196 HB-3121 THIRD READING PAGE 111 HB-3125 THIRD READING PAGE 34 HB-3142 THIRD READING PAGE 195 HB-3144 THIRD READING PAGE 116 HB-3152 THIRD READING PAGE 117 H3-3182 THIRD READING PAGE 231 HB-3183 SECOND READING PAGE 86 HB-3183 THIRD READING PAGE 88 H3-3207 THIRD READING PAGE 118 HB-3220 SECOND READING PAGE 3 НБ-3239 THIRD READING PAGE 35 HB-3261 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-3275 SECOND READING PAGE 140 H3-3275 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 141 Hd-3282 SECOND READING PAGE 6 H3-3284 SECOND READING PAGE 228 HB-3284 THIRD READING PAGE 228 HB-3293 THIRD READING PAGE 197 HB-3317 SECOND READING PAGE 88 HB-3317 THIRD READING PAGE 89 HB-3318 SECOND READING PAGE 219 HB-3318 THIRD READING PAGE 219 HB-3337 THIRD READING PAGE 119  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 002 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 18, 1990 91/03/06 11:36:43 H3-3337 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 121 H3-3363 SECOND READING PAGE 89 НБ-3363 THIRD READING PAGE 90 H3-3367 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3395 MOTION PAGE 216 HE-3412 THIRD READING PAGE 198 HB-3421 THIRD READING PAGE 223 HB-3498 SECOND READING PAGE 141 HB-3498 THIRD READING PAGE 142 HB-3507 SECOND READING PAGE 16 HB-3507 THIRD READING PAGE 19 HB-3509 SECOND READING PAGE 225 HB-3509 THIRD READING PAGE 226 H3-3510 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3513 THIRD READING PAGE 226 H3-3524 SECOND READING PAGE 10 H8-3554 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-3565 THIRD READING PAGE 220 HB-3567 SECOND READING PAGE 143 HB-3567 THIRD READING PAGE 144 HB-3575 THIRD READING PAGE 198 H8-3576 THIRD READING PAGE 201 H3-3587 SECOND READING PAGE 145 H5-3587 THIRD READING PAGE 153 HB-3597 SECOND READING PAGE 91 HB-3597 THIRD READING PAGE 92 HB-3600 THIRD READING PAGE 121 HB-3610 THIRD READING PAGE 126 HB-3611 THIRD READING PAGE 203 HB-3624 THIRD READING PAGE 40 H8-3625 SECOND READING PAGE 205 HB-3625 THIRD READING PAGE 206 H3-3632 SECOND READING PAGE 93 HB-3632 THIRD READING PAGE 94 HB-3645 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-3649 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-3667 SECOND READING PAGE 159 HB-3667 THIRD READING PAGE 161 HB-3674 SECOND READING PAGE 224 HB-3674 THIRD READING PAGE 224 H3-3699 THIRD READING PAGE 207 HB-3707 THIRD READING PAGE 208 H3-3753 SECOND READING PAGE 94 H5-3753 THIRD READING PAGE 95 HB-3755 SECOND READING PAGE 217 HB-3755 THIRD READING PAGE 218 HB-3766 THIRD READING PAGE 227 H3-3788 SECOND READING PAGE 26 H3-3788 THIRD READING PAGE 26 H3-3738 POSTPONED CONSIDERATION PAGE 28 H3-3811 SECOND READING PAGE 105 H3-3811 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 108 HB-3825 THIRD READING PAGE 127 HB-3826 THIRD READING PAGE 128 HB-3868 SECOND READING PAGE 209 HB-3868 THIRD READING PAGE 210 H3-3875 THIRD READING PAGE 210 HB-3881 SECOND READING PAGE 169 HB-3881 THIRD READING PAGE 170 HB-3902 SECOND READING PAGE 96 HB-3902 THIRD READING PAGE 96 HB-3941 THIRD READING PAGE 211 HB-3952 THIRD READING PAGE 129 HB-3987 SECOND READING PAGE 28  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 003 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 18, 1990 91/03/06 11:36:43 HB-3987 THIRD READING PAGE 30 H6-3939 SECOND READING PAGE 97 HB-3989 THIRD READING PAGE 98 HB-3993 SECOND READING PAGE 171 HB-3993 THIRD READING PAGE 174 HB-4008 THIRD READING PAGE 131 HB-4009 THIRD READING PAGE 132 H3-4023 THIRD READING PAGE 211 HB-4027 THIRD READING PAGE 41 HB-4048 TABLED PAGE 55 H3-4067 SECOND READING PAGE 133 HB-4067 THIRD READING PAGE 134 H3-4084 SECOND READING PAGE 101 HB-4084 THIRD READING PAGE 101 HB-4099 SECOND READING PAGE 102 HB-4099 THIRD READING PAGE 103 HB-4101 THIRD READING PAGE 44 HB-4116 THIRD READING PAGE 211 H5-4124 SECOND READING PAGE 175 Hd-4124 THIRD READING PAGE 176 H3-4126 THIRD READING PAGE 51 HB-4126 THIRD READING PAGE 53 H8-4152 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-4152 THIRD READING PAGE 18 H3-4180 SECOND READING PAGE 213 HB-4190 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-4190 SECOND READING PAGE 99 H3-4190 THIRD READING PAGE 100 HB-4194 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-4196 SECOND READING PAGE 103 HB-4196 THIRD READING PAGE 104 H8-4208 SECOND READING PAGE 134 HD-4208 THIRD READING PAGE 136 SB-0613 SECOND READING PAGE 69 SB-0613 THIRD READING PAGE 76 S3-1289 MOTION PAGE 231 SB-1333 MOTION PAGE 230 S3-1482 FIRST READING PAGE 235 S3-1487 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-1488 FIRST READING PAGE 234 SB-1439 FIRST READING PAGE 234 SB-1496 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-1496 FIRST READING PAGE 236 S3-1497 FIRST READING PAGE 234 SB-1510 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-1532 FIRST READING PAGE 234 SB-1565 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-1569 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-1571 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-1575 FIRST READING PAGE 2 SB-1589 FIRST READING PAGE 234 SB-1593 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-1627 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1638 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1639 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1761 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-1783 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1788 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1791 FIRST READING PAGE 237 S3-1793 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1794 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1795 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SB-1799 FIRST READING PAGE 237 SE-1800 FIRST READING PAGE 237  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 004 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 18, 1990 91/03/06 11:36:43 SB-1801 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1802 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1803 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1804 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1805 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1606 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1807 FIRST READING PAGE 238 S3-1809 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-1812 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1813 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1814 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1815 FIRST READING PAGE 238 S3-1817 FIRST READING PAGE 238 SB-1818 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1819 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SE-1820 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1821 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1822 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1823 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1824 FIRST READING PAGE 239 S6-1825 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1330 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1833 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1846 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1905 FIRST READING PAGE 239 SB-1949 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-1951 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-1962 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-1986 FIRST READING PAGE 235 S3-1991 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-2012 FIRST READING PAGE 235 Sd-2013 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-2015 FIRST READING PAGE 236 Sa-2067 FIRST READING PAGE 240 S3-2084 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-2111 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-2116 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SD-2127 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-2155 FIRST READING PAGE 240 S3-2164 FIRST READING PAGE 235 SB-2166 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-2176 FIRST READING PAGE 240 S8-2182 FIRST READING PAGE 240 S3-2134 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-2190 FIRST READING PAGE 3 S9-2193 FIRST READING PAGE 240 SB-2213 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-2216 FIRST READING PAGE 241 SB-2229 FIRST READING PAGE 241 S3-2237 FIRST READING PAGE 241 SB-2239 FIRST READING PAGE 241 S8-2267 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-2274 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-2275 FIRST READING PAGE 241 SB-2291 FIRST READING PAGE 236 SB-2304 FIRST READING PAGE 235 S3-2306 FIRST READING PAGE 241 SB-2308 FIRST READING PAGE 241 SB-2309 FIRST READING PAGE 241 HR-1710 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 158 SJR-0121 RESOLUTION OFFERED SJR-0181 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 221 PAGE 233  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 005 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX 91/03/06 11:36:43 MAY 18, 1990 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER REVEREND SAMUEL HALE, JR. PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE REPRESENTATIVE STECZO PAGE 2 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 COMITTEE REPORT PAGE 2 MESSAGES FROM SENATE PAGE 2 AGREED BILL LIST PAGE 13 HOUSE AT EASE FOR INTRODUCTION PAGE 52 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN - IN THE CHAIR PAGE 108 SPEAKER NADIGAN IN THE CHAIR PAGE 211 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 233 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 233 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 234 PERFUNTORY SESSION PAGE 234 MESSAGES FROM SENATE PAGE 234 PERFUNTORY SESSION ADJOURNED PAGE 241