"Ladies and Gentlemen, the hour of 10:00 o'clock having arrived, the House will come to order. I would ask Members to be at your seats. The Chaplain for today... The Chaplain for today is Pastor Wesley Hougsted. He is from the Brookfield United Methodist Church in Brookfield, Illinois. He is the guest of Representative Zickus. We invite our guests in the gallery to rise and join us for the invocation."
"Let us pray. Oh God, what a wonderful day we have been given. We say with the psalmist, 'This is the day the Lord has made.' We will rejoice and be glad. We invoke Your presence. We trust Your living word. We seek to be led by Your teachings. Oh God, as Your servants enter into these deliberations, may Your word be a useful guide. May we be motivated by goodness and love, not greed and manipulation. May we see clearly our own sin and weakness and not be quick to judge the actions of others without first reflecting on our own. Oh God, enable us to be understanding, forthright and forgiving. Let us not be swayed by cheap rhetoric, but give each one here a sense of discernment and insite that is creative and growth producing. May we reflect Your love for those who are lonely, disenfranchised, jobless and depressed. May we sing the song of a Redeemer who lives, who cares, who hurts with us and rejoices with us. May Your programs, Oh Lord, be carried out above party and personality, beyond time and circumstances for the good of all. May we possess a faith that goes forward singing in the rain, knowing that all things work together for good to those who love You. May we know a faith that is triumphant against all odds. May we know, oh God, a kind of courage that was shown in a Judge like Deborah, a kind of wisdom that was modeled in a 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 King like Solomon. Jesus spoke of salt and light. Enable each one here, oh Lord, to season relationships with love and with truth. And we do ask, oh God, that you would give our President and the world leaders guidance informed by mercy in Your Divine directives. We pray that the crisis in the Middle East will soon be resolved, that we may sing a new song of triumph to the Lord. Forgive us for lack of faith, for foolish pride, for mistrust and undue sinicism. Save us from majoring in self-interest, jealousy or fear and help us to sew seeds of kindness, compassion and confidence. May we with Your help respond to the needs of brothers and sisters wherever they are today, who look to us for leadership and hope. May we be instruments of Your peace. Disturb us, oh God, with Your divine Grace that we may accomplish the goals set before us to the Glory of Your name, our Saviour and Redeemer. Amen."
"Representative Zickus, would you lead us in the Pledge, please."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Is Representative Mautino in the chamber? Representative Mautino. Representative McGann, are there any excused absences?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, today, November the 15th, the excused absences are Representative Giglio, Representative Preston, Representative Matijevich and Representative Shirley Jones."
"Thank you. Representative Piel."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, will the record show Representative Barnes is excused today."
"Thank you. One hundred and thirteen answering 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Supplemental Calendar announcement."
"Supplemental Calendar #1 is being distributed."
"Representative Giorgi, for what reason do you Giorgi: seek recognition?" "Madam Speaker, two reasons. One is to suspend posting requirements to hear House Bill 2030 and Senate Bill 1098 in Rules Committee and for permission for the Rules Committee to meet while the House is in Session. And I'd like the Rules Committee to assemble immediately."
"You have hear the Gentleman's Motion. On the question, is there any discussion? There being none, the Motion is granted. Excuse me, Representative Black, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Supplemental Calendar has been out about four minutes and I'm not sure why the Gentleman is asking this, maybe he could enlighten us. I don't think any of this has been discussed with this side of the aisle, and I would appreciate some enlightenment as to where we are going with this."
"I'll get back to you. Representative Giorgi is recognized to restate his Motion."
"Madam Speaker, that the House Rules Committee be allowed to meet while the House is in Session."
"The Gentleman has moved that the House Rules Committee be allowed to meet while the House is in Session. Is there any discussion or objection to that? Hearing none, the House Rules Committee will meet immediately in the Speaker's Conference Room. We would ask Republican and Democratic Members of the Rules Committee to go immediately to the Speaker's Conference Room for a very short Rules Committee meeting. And while...while that is going on, we'll do the Agreed Resolutions, Mr. Clerk. Again, Rules 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 Committee Members, please go to the Speaker's Conference Room immediately. This is a day we'd like to go home, SO let's get our work done."
"House Resolution 2319, DeJaegher; 2320, Bob Olson; 2321, Morrow; 2322, Kubik; 22...2323, Kubik; 2324, Brunsvold; 2325, Bugielski; 2326, Novak; 2327, DeJaegher; 2329, Stephens; 2330, Stephens 2334, Currie; 2335, Currie; 2336, Frederick; 2337, Β. Pedersen; 2338, Harris; 2339, Harris; 2340, Harris, 2341, Harris, 2344, Woolard; 2345, Novak; 2346, Matijevich; 2347, Weaver; 2349, Petka; 2350, DeJaegher; 2351, DeJaegher; 2352, DeJaegher; 2253 (sic -2353), DeJaegher; 2354, DeJaegher; 2355, DeJaegher; 2356, Hultgren; 2357, Hultgren; 2358, Brunsvold; 2360, Ropp; 2361, Petka; 2362, Stange; 2363, Johnson; 2364, Cullerton; 2365, Hoffman; 2366, DeJaegher; 2367, Kulas; and 2368, Hultgren."
"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Joint Resolutions."
"House Joint Resolution 149, Novak; 150, Ryder; 151, B. Pedersen; 152, Kubik; 153, Deuchler; 154, Deuchler; 155, Churchill."
"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Joint Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Joint Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions."
"House Resolution 2328, Countryman, with respect to the memory of Francis Mays; House Resolution 2332, Speaker Madigan, with respect to the memory of Phyllis Last; House Resolution 2342, Anthony Young, with respect to the memory of Melvin Graves; House Resolution 2343, Woolard, with respect to the memory of James W. Sanders; 4 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 House Resolution 2348, Shaw, with respect to the memory of Jacqueline O. McEntee; and Senate Joint Resolution 213, Munizzi, with respect to the memory of Antoinette 'Tonka' Scalise."
"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Death Resolutions are adopted. Committee Reports."
"The Committee on Rules has met pursuant to Rule 29(c)3, the following Bills have been ruled exempt on November 15, 1990: Senate Bills #1086, 1310 and 1316, signed Representative Steczo."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, on page 3 on your Calendar under Conference Committee Reports appears Senate Mautino: Bill 2239. Representative Mautino is recognized to present the Conference Committee Report." "Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Senate Bill 2239 has basically 4 Amendments. It left the House as a shell Bill and it came back to us with 4 provisions included in that Conference Committee Report. Number 1, the Amendments that were adopted and the proposed changes are as follows: The Vehicle Code currently establishes weight limitations for trucks operating on state highways. There is a provision in here that grants an exemption because of a situation that occurred in Rockford, Illinois, where a sewer cleaning truck owned by the sanitary district in Rockford was ticketed for overweight violations. These Amendments...this Amendment would add this type of vehicle to the weight exemption provisions. That's one item. That is a firetruck and a sewer cleaning truck that would be exempted from that current weight classification. Secondly, the Amendment by Representative Santiago, which provides for school bus drivers' applicants in Chicago, 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 shall conform to a national fingerprint background check et cetera, administered by DSP. There are guidelines that are included with this provision for checking the backgrounds of bus drivers. Item #3 in that Conference Committee Report provides that municipalities and counties may contract with school boards, hospitals, shopping centers, and apartment complexes to regulate traffic. It allows municipalities and counties to reach an agreement with local churches for the regulation of traffic and parking problems. The fourth item establishes a new fund within the State Treasury called the Vehicle Recycling Fund. It authorizes the Secretary of State to make a $20 payment from the Vehicle Recycling Fund to the towing entity which removes abandoned vehicles to the storage facility of a local municipality or law enforcement agency. The final provision addresses billboards in the State of Illinois. It provides the definition for the business area, and it's limited to a location outside of urban areas which may be zoned for commercial or industrial use. Currently in 1958 if an area wasn't zoned commercial on interstate highways, billboards could not be erected there. What this legislation does is provide for the billboard company to pay the fee to the Department of Transportation if...so that that money can be rechanneled back to the Federal Government so that those areas could come under the provisions for billboards on interstate highways and would remove that opposition and the permit provisions currently established. It would allow the Department of Transportation to issue a permit, get reimbursement from the advertising company to forward to the Federal Government if there were any cost. That's basically what the Conference Committee would do. Be happy to answer any questions." 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion. Before that is...before that is entertained, Representative Mautino moves to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) and place this Bill on the Order of Conference Committee Reports, so that it can be considered. Is there any objection to that Motion? Representative Black, is there an objection to the Motion to suspend rules?"
"I have no specific objection. I would like to ask the Gentleman a question before I could give you a definitive answer on an objection."
"As to the suspension of the Rules?"
"No. It deals with some material he said was in the Bill, and I don't think is in there."
"Okay, let's suspend the Rule, so we can talk about it first, okay?"
"Alright."
"Hearing no objection and by use of the Attendance Roll Call, Representative Mautino's Motion to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) carries. Representative Mautino has explained the Conference Committee Report. On the question of the adoption of that Conference Committee Report, Representative Black is recognized. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Question of the Sponsor."
"Proceed."
"Representative, are you certain that the towing items and the billboard language that you mentioned are in this Conference Committee Report?"
"House Amendments 1, 3, 4 and 5 are adopted in this... are included in this Conference Committee Report. Amendment #31 exempts the vehicles that I discussed as it pertains to sewage treatment, as sewage cleaning equipment. 7 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 Number 3 was Santiago's Amendment on the background checks of bus drivers. Number 4 was Granberg's Amendment that provides for the powers of municipalities as it pertains to churches in regulating traffic. Excuse me, and #5 was the Amendment for the Vehicle Code to permit the use of amber lights on vehicles operated by members of a sanctioned emergency service unit. The proposal within the Bill that addressed the signage is remained in the Bill, according to my analysis."
"Madam Speaker."
"Yes."
"If the Gentleman would take this out of the record, staff on our side indicates that they are adament in that the two items he is discussing are not in this Corrected Conference Committee Report. Maybe we can get this worked out in a few minutes."
"Representative Mautino agrees. The Bill is out of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, on Supplemental Calendar #1, under the Order of Motions, we will take those Motions that are Discharge Motions. The first one is Senate Bill 1086, Representative Currie. Senate Bill 1098, Representative Hannig. Mr. Hannig."
"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I would simply move that we discharge Committee and advance to the Order of Second Reading. I don't think there's any opposition to this."
"The Gentleman has moved pursuant to Rule 77(a) to discharge the Executive Committee Interim Study Calendar from further consideration of Senate Bill 1098 and advance this Bill to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day and suspend Rule 37(g). On that question, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 'ayes' have it. By use of the Attendance Roll Call, the Motion carries and the Bill is discharged. Senate Bill 1310, Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to discharge Registration and Regulation Interim Study Calendar from further consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day and suspend Rules 37(g) and 79(d) and (e)."
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion. On that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Motion carry?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. We're finished. Representative Black, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"Madam Speaker, I had my light on. I apologize if you didn't see it in time, but we do object to that."
"Representative Keane, there is an objection to your Motion. Do you wish to go to a Roll Call now or later? Why don't you come to see us and take this Bill out of the record at this time. Representative Giorgi is recognized for a special introduction."
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to introduce a delegation from the United...from the People's Republic of China, and I'd like to introduce Counsel General Wang Lee who'll say a few words on their trade mission of the states."
"Speaker of the House, yes, and Representatives of the House, dear friends, I'm...It's a great honor for me and my delegation come from Chicago to see your House and have the opportunity to meet so many distinguished House Members. You are the decision makers in this important state. I want to send my greetings to you. And my first impression 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 upon arrival here is that Springfield not only has very fine warm weather, but also everybody has a fine and a warm heart. This is special for your state. And I want to say a few words about my mission in Chicago is to try to promote good relations in cooperation with your country and try to promote good relations in trade and business in this part of the states, especially your state, Illinois state. And we are looking forward to better relations in the future. And your state is special in this field. You have a office in China. You have already developed very fine relations. We have a very big business. We have very big bilateral trade between the state and China. We hope that will be even greater. We are looking forward to the good relation with you in the future. Thank you very much."
"That was General Lee and some of the delegation will be staying around the House for a few minutes and Alice Levin and Representative Weaver will introduce them to Members of the General Assembly. Thank you very much. Senator Newhouse tells me the trade...the trade with Taiwan was $12,000,000 in commodities, $12,000,000. Okay, the House will be at ease for a couple of minutes and then we'll start in on the Veto Motions as soon as the Republicans come up with the speed, right. Representative Daniels, for what reason do you rise?"
"Well, Representative Giorgi, you've distributed Supplemental #1 Calendar and for the record, we are objecting to the discharge of all of the Bills on Supplemental #1. The reason for that is fairly simple. It's not as if once we know what you're going to put into the Bills or the Conference Committee Report, that we would necessarily object to the passage of the Bill at the time we have it. We would like to see what your intentions are before we agree to a discharge of the Committee. So with 10 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 respect we ask that not only that you respect our views, but also that if you do proceed on a Discharge Motion, that it be done by a Roll Call vote."
"Might I suggest, Representative Daniels, that your staff contact our staff."
"I think they are doing that now, but you know, the best we can get is, you know, like on some of the Bills, we have the Bill dealing with the Chicago school funding, but we are rumored that that will also contain some other amounts in there. And, you know, in that Bill ultimately maybe the Members may support it, but we'd like to see what's in it, just like the RTA vehicle that's listed and we don't know what's going to be proposed for that, you know, to the hazardous waste, to several other areas dealing with pensions and the like. We would like to have the Bill and in the event that it's not discharged today, obviously our staffs are available to work with yours to see if we can come to an agreement on the legislation."
"Thank you, Mr. Daniels. On the Calendar on page 5 appears an Amendatory Veto Motion. And the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 3613?' And on that question, Representative John Cullerton."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill, as it passed both Houses, amended the Home Ownership Made Easy Act, which is an Act administered by the State Treasurer. It made technical clarifications of the original enabling legislation, and it said that investment income would be exempt from state income taxes. The Governor agreed with the technical aspects of the Bill; however, the Governor refused to approve the tax exemption on investment earnings. His message states that this exemption is not consistent with 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 the program's purposes and that the exemption is not limited to persons who actually purchase homes. In order to require the tax exemption to be allowed only to persons who actually use the program to purchase homes, the Governor proposes to add text that the income tax exemption is authorized only to persons actually acquiring a home. So we would accept that language. I would also note, of course, that by his amendatory veto of the Bill, we were not able to say that it was passed, and of course, this was a crucial Bill for the...our State Treasurer, Jerry Cosentino, who was a candidate for Secretary of State, and by the Governor's actions he wasn't able to, you know, to use this in his campaign. So, there are probably some political ramnifications as well, but none-the-less, the Governor's... It's all moot, and the Governor's actions should be accepted. It's a very good program and the Governor's changes do not undermine that program. So I would move for the acceptance of the Governor's Amendatory Veto."
"Any questions? Then the...so the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recom...changes with respect to House Bill 3613?' And the Gentleman moves for that Motion. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have everyone...has everyone voted who wish? Representative Novak. Has everyone voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Motion having received 110 votes, require the Constitutional Majority, and the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change. Messages from the Senate."
"A Message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has refused to adopt 12 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 the First Conference Committee Report and requests a Second Conference Committee Report in relation to House Bill 2030. Action taken by the Senate March 15, 1990. Linda Hawker, Secretary of the Senate.'"
"It's the plan of the House to go to the Calendar on Veto Motions and we'll start with page 3. House Bill 3109, Representative Stern, you want your Motion called? House Bill 3109, an override on School Code. Out of the record. Representative Phelps, do you want your Motion called? Out of the record. Representative Bowman, would you like to call a Motion on House Bill 3341? It's an override."
"Just a moment, please. Yes, thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is a restoration that was filed too late to be on yesterday's Calendar, but this deals with community health centers. It's approximately a million dollars. We're all familiar with community health centers. They are the front line of defense in primary care. They are an outreach effort in the state's public health campaign. They are in some communities the only resource that many people have and only access people have to health care. They are all over this state. This isn't a regional issue. It is a state-wide issue. And in view of the strong support that the House gave to the Medicaid budget yesterday, I recommend an 'aye' vote to restore a million dollars to the community health centers located throughout our state. Thank you very much."
"Representative Stephens on House Bill 3341."
"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to make the continued point that we're spending money that we don't have. The...it's only a million dollars, and I'm sure you're going to put a hundred votes on this, but if you...if you want to do the responsible thing, you at least 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day vote 'present'. November 15, 1990 Don't support spending money that the State of Illinois absolutely does not have."
"The question is, 'Shall this House Bill 3341 be restored to its original amount, not withstanding the reduction of the Governor?' Representative Bowman to close."
"Well, just to say I hope the last speaker never gets sick, and you know, and needs the help and assistance of the community health center in his district. I just hope that never happens to him. Please vote 'aye' on this Motion."
"The question is, 'Shall this House Bill 3341 be restored to its original amount, not withstanding the reduction of the Governor?' All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', and those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Motion having received the Constitutional Majority prevails, and the House does restore the line item...and the item is restored. On page 3 of your Calendar, Total Veto Motions, is House Bill 4221, Representative Phelps. And the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4221 pass, the Veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' Representative Phelps."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I believe there's a little bit of a misunderstanding about this proposal yesterday. If I might, I'm going to refer to Representative Hicks, my colleague, to maybe enlighten us on some few more points. Representative Hicks."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4221 addresses a problem that certainly many areas of the state have, but certainly in downstate we have a problem in which taking juveniles and 14 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 housing juveniles across the state is a very difficult situation. We right now are driving some 120 miles to house juveniles to and from courts. This Bill simply addresses that issue and instead of providing for 75% of the fund and being able to borrow from the fund of 75%, we're talking about borrowing of 100%. The local counties, even counties going together, certainly can't provide that 25% share. This simply authorizes no money involved authorizes the 100% borrowing from the fund. Be happy to try to answer any questions."
"Representative Black on House Bill 4221."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor. As we talked about this yesterday, I think the Sponsor's correct. There was some confusion, and this Bill failed yesterday. We do have a Bill that has been signed into law, Senate Bill 2193, which incorporates the chief judge's recommendations on how such detention facilities may be constructed. And I support the Gentleman's efforts in this. In fact, I was a Cosponsor of 2193 with the Sponsor of this Bill. But, the Governor has simply stated that if you authorize 100% funding for this, then obviously you're going to get the request for 100% funding. I'm familiar with the Gentleman's problems. We have the same in my county. We're driving as far away as St. Clair County to house juveniles. But, I think what really caused most of us to back off this yesterday was the Representative saying that somehow this Bill was construed as also obligating the state to pay 100% of the operating costs. I don't think there's anybody in this chamber, if that's the case, wants to operate this state to pay 100% of the operating costs of a facility that a county might want. I think that needs to be made quite clear. If it can't be or it isn't, then obviously this Bill should not again gain 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 the necessary votes to override the Veto."
"Representative Hicks to close."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Certainly the Gentleman's correct in his saying that we do not intend, and it's not the intent of this legislation that we pay 100% of the operating cost. We're simply talking about construction costs. The Gentleman is exactly right. And for the intent and purpose of this, we are not talking about 100% of the operating cost in no way whatsoever, but we are talking about being able to build these facilities. It's something that is needed. He certainly has the same problem that we have in driving all the way from Danville, Illinois to St. Clair County. It's a problem we all have in that area of the state. We can't afford to drive juveniles all the way across the state, bring them back for a court date the next day, take them back again that night. It's a disservice to the juveniles that have problems in our state. We want to help those juveniles. We help them by passing this Bill and making that...those facilities available, and I do agree with the Gentleman. You are exactly right, Mr. Black, we don't intend to pay 100% of the operating costs. We intend for the locals to be paying that cost for the jail to operate that way. In passing this, I believe that's exactly what we'd do. And I'd ask for a green vote on this Motion."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4221 pass, the Veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' This requires a Three-Fifths Majority. Voting's open. Have all voted who wish? Note that Shirley Jones has arrived. Put her on Roll Call. Have all voted who wish? Representative Wolf Wolf: on House Bill 4221 to explain his vote." "Mr. Speaker, would you record me as voting...I see it is recorded on the board. Would you have the electrician 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 check my voting switch here, please." Have all voted who wish?
"Yes, Mr. Wolf. Representative Hartke, to explain his vote."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would urge a couple more green votes on this thing. You know, I've had several conversations with not only sheriffs in my district but around the state. This is a real burden for downstate counties to transport these juveniles at night, bring them back to court the next day, then take them back to a juvenile detention center. We need those detention centers. And this is the only way that we're going to get those facilities. And I urge my colleagues on both side of the aisle, upstate and downstate, to give us this...the necessary votes to create these...the facilities."
"Representative Phelps to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a point that some of you might need to consider. Imagine your county being the corner down the river away from St. Clair County approximately a hundred some mile, and your two or three deputies that you have are accompanying that juvenile to St. Clair County and they're gone for all day, and no protection for the rest of the citizens. Not of their own choosing, but because federal court mandates and state mandates have brought this down upon our counties, and now we're talking about the state worrying about a 100% of the cost. Well, they've brought the 100% of the mandates down on the counties, and so I say the responsibility should be met. And when you look at the travel involved, the transportation cost, then we can transfer that to what operational obligations there would be on the counties, which is a fair trade off. And we appreciate...we've got this many votes already, and...the other day, and so now I think there's some new enlightened people, and we 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day appreciate your being added on the green your help."
"Have all voted who wish? wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk. absentees. Representative November 15, 1990 votes. We need Have all voted who Take the record, Mr. Hicks requests we poll the Seventy votes voting 'aye', 40 voting 'nay'. And the Gentleman requests a Poll of the Absentees."
"A poll of those not voting. Krska. No further."
"The other Member Black: Representative Black." seeking recognition, I think you have taken I "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. the record on this, have you not? Alright. You know, don't think any of us want to stay here all day and argue every vote on a verification. I think there's some vacant seats over there. I f you want to persist in this, then we'll ask for a verification. I don't think either side wants to do that. Vote your own switch. Let's vote them up, vote them down. Let's go home."
"Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 70 votes, and this Bill having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority is declared lost. Representative Hallock, do you want to call your Motion on House Bill 4038? Out of the record. Representative McGann, do you want to call your Motion on House Bill 3042? An override. Okay, Mr. Clerk. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3042 pass, notwithstanding the specific Governor's recommendations for change?' This requires 71 votes. Representative McGann."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. We are addressing the House Bill 3042 relative to the immunization requirements in private colleges and universities. This Bill originally passed out of the House and went to the...out of the Senate, went to the Governor's 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 desk, and the Governor saw fit to write new language and obstruct the legislative process in doing so. I don't want to take too much of your time this afternoon relative to this issue, because you have been contacted by both sides of the question. The one side tells you that the real thing to do is to require immunization of part-time students. But that side also says we don't have to bother about the community colleges in the State of Illinois, the two year colleges, because after all, they are free and they don't have to worry about immunization. But that's not the truth. The truth is alone in the City of Chicago, this community colleges, the city colleges of Chicago, produce roughly 250,000 students on an annual basis, far more than the private university and colleges. I think we should have equalization. The old saying, 'What is good for the goose is good for the gander'. Well, that's not the case for the opponents of this legislation."
"Representative."
"Also, they talk about providing all the vaccine that's necessary. Well, they have not let up...kept their word since the institution of this Bill, which became a law originally, approximately three years ago. They have failed to reach their agreement with the private colleges and universities. What they have done though is they have mandated these private universities and colleges to do something that they can't back up themselves. I have sent around a flyer to all of you explaining the merits of our House Bill 3042. I think the time has come that we stop mandating without backup and without the dollars to help the universities and private colleges throughout this state. I ask you to override this Gubernatorial Noncompliance that he put into something that I don't think that his authority allows him to do. I've discussed this 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 with both sides of the aisle. I ask your support. I ask you to override this decision of the Governor, and let's help the private colleges and private universities throughout this state. Thank you for listening to me."
"Representative Ryder on the Override Motion." Ryder: I to "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would rise in opposition this Motion to override and would bring to your attention several rather important factors. One of which is that this law does not require colleges to give the immunization shots. This does not require colleges, private colleges, to be in that business. Rather what it does is require them to collect the documentation therefore. In addition, there are several exemptions, specifically for those that are interested in christian science. And I am fortunate enough to have the only college for christian scientists in the United States in the 97th District. And there are appropriate religious exemptions within the Bill as it currently exists to address that issue. We are not turning our back by saying you have to do something without providing the resources. In fact, the Department of Public Health has been very diligent about attempting to provide those resources and by trying to help out for those students who are in need of this. There are many schools who recognize the necessity of this and are willing to cooperate with the appropriate departments of public health. The Vetoes improve the Bill. They did not destroy the Bill. The Veto is appropriate. I would believe that it would be just the opposite of what the previous speaker has stated. It would be for the Department of Public Health to turn their back on the students of this state if this Bill is not passed in its current form, and therefore I urge that you do not override the Amendatory Veto."
"Representative Black on the Override Motion." 20 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 Out of the record. Representative McGann to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly. The previous speaker is not giving all the facts. The facts are the Department of Public Health has not...has not met their commitment. And it is also a fact that all of the private colleges and universities have joined together in wanting some relief from this immunization for part-time students alone. Yet, the same department did not see fit to go out and search out and be sure that every community college student, also part-time, are not under the immunization program. This is once again the unbalance of things that we do. They have not met their commitment. They have not done the job that they are suppose to do. The community college and universities of the private sector have to have some relief. I ask you to override this Motion. I thank you for your support."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3042 pass, notwithstanding the Governor's specific recommendation for change?' And it takes a Three-Fifths Majority. All those voting in favor will signify by voting 'aye' and those opposed by voting 'no' and the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Satterthwaite on the Motion."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, obviously anyone would benefit from having the immunization and it would be an advantage to certain populations. However, the situation we have been in in the State of Illinois is that the shots have not been available in sufficient quantity for everyone. And so it's a matter of priority in terms of where the biggest impact would be found in using the immunization. It is definitely not a high priority for commuters to be using these shots at the expense of children and elderly people who would be more subject to 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 having health problems if they can not be immunized. There is no evidence that this population will, in fact, be impacted positively by getting the immunization. It is to our advantage to see that we have the immunization available for the highest risk populations. The method that is chosen by having commuters get these immunizations in no way has evidenced that they are responsible for the spread of these diseases. I would suggest to you that it is an improper prioritization for us to not have this Bill pass. I would urge your support because it will, in fact, provide better health care for the people of the state to not make this population your target for priority."
"Representative Black to explain his vote."
"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think we may...want to put the timer on, but I would just simply point out to you that the University of Illinois, if the information I have is correct, supports this Bill, does not want you to override the Governor in this matter. And I think you'll see that the Illinois college immunization requirement has resulted in a dramatic decline in the number of measles cases reported on our college campuses. We...I think we addressed this last spring and the problem we get into is the definition of commuter student. And if we have a problem there, I think we can work it out the next Session and make most everyone happy with the result. I don't think this is the time to override the Governor's Veto."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 48 'ayes', 54 'nays', 10 voting 'present' and this Bill...the Bill fails to receive the Constitutional Majority and hereby is declared lost. Representative Young in the Chair." 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990
"Senate Bills Second Reading, page 2 of the Calendar. Senate Bill 543, Representative Williams."
"Yes, I move that this Bill be moved to Third Reading."
"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Bill 543, a Bill for an Act in relation to the election of judges from the First Judicial District. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Motions filed, no Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Black, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Well, the purpose for seeking recognition was an inquiry of the Chair. I didn't hear the Gentleman's Motion. What did he want to do? Move this to Third Reading."
"It wasn't a Motion. The Bill was read a second time and it's on Third Reading right now."
"Oh, it's on Third Reading right now."
"It just moved from Second to Third."
"Even though my light was on before he did that. It still moved to Third."
"Yeah. Did you have a Motion or an Amendment?"
"Well, no, I don't think so. I just wasn't sure what his Motion was."
"He didn't have a Motion."
"He didn't have a Motion? Well, then I would...an inquiry of the Chair, this whole thing's out of order if he didn't have a Motion. Well, Mr. Speaker, he's obviously moved. He's over here on my side now."
"That's a good place for him. Representative Homer in the chamber? Representative Weaver, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just an inquiry 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 of the Chair. I'm wondering about conflict of interest with the Speaker actually a hyphenated Sponsor on this Bill. Is this proper procedure?"
"Absolutely proper."
"Absolutely. Thank you."
"Representative Homer in the chamber? On page 5 of the Calendar under Reduction and Item Veto Motions, House Bill 3544, Motion #3, Representative Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, this is a Motion I presented yesterday and was taken out of the record because of a parliamentary inquiry. This Veto deals with the Senior Citizens and Disabled Personal Property Tax Relief and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. This is the most popular senior citizen tax relief Act and with the advent of the pharmaceutical benefits, the most needed. This restores money that the Governor took out of the circuit breaker program, and I know that Members of the General Assembly have been spoken to by the various interest groups, and I urge the support of my Motion."
"The Gentleman has moved...or the question is, 'Shall the Reduction Veto be restored to its original amount, notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor?' On that question, the Gentleman from Madison, Representative Stephens."
"How much?"
"Twenty million dollars, I believe."
"Twenty million, is that what you said? I can't quite..."
"Twenty million out of a thirteen billion dollar General Revenue..."
"Twenty million dollars...Mr. Speaker, to the Motion. It's...I guess we spent about 110 to 130 million dollars of taxpayers money that we didn't have yesterday. We've spent 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 a couple of million this morning of taxpayers dollars that we don't have, and we always do this in the name of a good cause. It's...you know, there's no doubt that seniors who benefit from this program will read tomorrow's paper and they will be full of joy thinking that the Legislature and the Governor have acted on their behalf and sent them another twenty million dollars. But why don't we put this in words of truth that we all understand. What we are saying by restoring this Line Item Veto is that we are going to tell them we are going to send them twenty million dollars, but you and I both know that the money is not there. We're increasing a half of the budget, the expenditure side of the budget, and saying that we will send them those dollars, and the money's just not there. As medical providers around the State of Illinois know all too well today, as they wait for money that you promised them last year that you would send them, that you knew wasn't there last year, and they can't pay their bills this morning, you yet promise them today that you'll send them even twenty million dollars more. And they are not fooled. They are tired of your charade. The people that you promise are wising up to the charade. They know you don't mean it. So why don't we try to at least have the dignity to balance the budget in these waning days of the Session and not make promises that you will break before the dawn. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition."
"The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Ryder."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Obviously, it's a good cause. We don't appropriate money for bad causes. But we can't appropriate more money than we already have. The previous speaker made some of those points, but let's take a look at what the Comptroller of the State of Illinois has indicated to us 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 that the balance, our general revenue balance, is going down, down, down. A hundred fifty million, with projections to go below that danger point of a hundred million. That's our checking book balance. Now if we spent everything that we did yesterday, we're down to zero. When we go below that hundred million, our bonding companies take a look at what our ratings will be. When we go below that hundred million, we may be charged more on the bonds that we sell. So it costs in our credit rating and it costs us in the amount of dollars that we pay on interest. We can't have it all. We've got to make some selections. We ought...we should have decided yesterday to have held the line, but let us decide today to hold the line and resist restoring this Item Veto."
"The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I stand in support of this Motion. Stop and think about it. We're asking our senior citizen disabled that they're just going to have to hold the line for the State of Illinois. That's just tough, senior citizens. We just can't afford it, but we do a lot of other things. How in the world can we turn down our senior citizens, those who have made this state great and now we say we can't afford to allow you to have the medications that you need. We realize you're on a fixed income, but no, we're going to balance that state budget on your backs. I think it's dead wrong, and I think we ought to support this Motion to override the Governor's Veto. I urge your support for this... Motion."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I would just like...I rise in support of the Motion, but I'd 26 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 also like to make a comment on the previous speaker. He's talking about our bond ratings. It's unfortunate that he didn't stand up all through the years relative to this bond rating when our Governor did everything he could do to raise our debt services from the time he come into office until now when we're talking about almost six hundred million dollars in debt service alone for this state on an annual basis. And he's worrying about bonding, worried about our ratings. He should be worried about the common man for this medication to help take care of the people of the State of Illinois, the real purpose of this government. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Representative Giorgi to close."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to remind the Members of the General Assembly, this is the most successful senior program, and this is the program that helps more income seniors with actual cash...actual cash benefits to help them pay their property taxes. And I'd like to remind the Members on the other side of the aisle, that the Governor at the present time is preparing a supplemental appropriation, at the present time. We do it every year. We end up in June with whatever we do and every fall we're back here for a supplemental. And these are the people who need it the most. And the people that are disabled and dependent upon pharmaceutical needs are being deprived. I urge every Member of the General Assembly to get on this override."
"The question is, 'Shall this Reduction Veto on page 8, line 35 of House Bill 3544 be restored to its original amount, not withstanding the reduction of the Governor?' All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have 27 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 91 voting 'yes', 20 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Motion having received the required Constitutional Majority prevails and the House does restore the line 8...line 35, page 8 to its original amount, the Reduction Veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Representative Homer return to the chamber? On page 2 of the Calendar, Senate Bills Third Reading. Senate Bill 2237. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House (sic Senate) Bill 1237..."
"That's 2237."
"House (sic Senate) Bill 2237, a Bill for an Act to amend the Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've been requested in writing by Representative Keane to present this Bill in his absence. That written request is on file with the Clerk. The Bill is the one that was discussed yesterday and amended yesterday, that has to do with the issue involving the ability of a home rule community to assess a tax on the tuition of students at colleges or universities who... which are located within the corporate limits of that municipality. Specifically, it addresses the matter that came to issue at...in Evanston with respect to the question about whether Evanston should or could impose such a tax on students attending Northwestern University. The Bill is a very simple straightforward Bill that simply specifies that no community, including home rule communities, may impose a tax on any tuition or fees received by a public or private post-secondary educational institution or on any student with respect to his or her being enrolled in such an institution. In effect, the measure...without this measure, such an action by a municipality could, in 28 143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 fact...would, in fact, be a tax on education, which would place a burden on students who are really least able to bear the cost. This Bill would specifically preempt home rule and therefore would require 71 affirmative votes in order to pass, but the issue is a clear one. The issue is whether it should be the public policy of this state to allow municipalities to impose a tax on students attending universities. I would submit that that is a bad public policy and that the enactment of such a tax by one community in this state could, in fact, serve as an ill-advised precedent for other communities who may be inclined to also impose such a tax on students in their communities. And so before we open the floodgates and allow such a precedent to be established, that...this Bill would, in fact, put the issue to rest and would preclude all municipalities, home rule or otherwise, from enacting such a tax. So I would move for the passage of Senate Bill 2237, as amended."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 2237. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, first let me state for the record that I am personally opposed to a tax on tuition or on student enrollment at any post-secondary institution of education. I take that position back in my home community of Evanston where this is a hot item. However, there are several other matters that you should consider before voting in the affirmative. I would recommend for starters that you consider the unseemly haste with which this is being enacted. Because by enacting legislation at this moment, the citizens of Evanston are unable to present their case to the General Assembly. Second of all, consider the fact 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 that we are diminishing home rule powers. Now I understand the necessity in this case, however, what are the home rule communities getting in return for giving up this power or for having the power taken away from them? Nothing, absolutely nothing. It seems to me a principle that we've operated on for a long time down here is if you take something away from somebody who's already got it, that you try and give them something in return to balance the loss. And there is nothing being proposed here in this legislation, and I think that it would be appropriate and desirable and I've offered my support to Northwestern University for legislation like this if we could add something to the legislation. And I'm open on the subject of what that might be. But of course if we rush it through, there will be no hearings. There will be no opportunity for discussion and no opportunity to present any alternative. And lastly, let me simply make a personal appeal. I've got four days left on my...four working days left on my career in the General Assembly...and I'll miss you, too. And I've been able to duck this issue for 14 years. I've tried very hard and I've been very successful at it. And I am personally quite upset that this matter should be brought before us at this time, at this late date, and not giving the chance for my constituents to have themselves heard before a legislative committee. So I ask on behalf of my constituents that at least you defer action on this issue until next term, so that they may present their case to you in proper form. Thank you."
"Representative Homer to close."
"I don't think..."
"Excuse me, Representative Homer. I didn't see Representative Barger had his light on."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I share the same amount of 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 time with this organization that Representative Bowman does, considering my career in politics is more or less coming to an end as it were, I feel that I'm reasonably willing at this time to support Mr. Bowman in this particular Bill. I think that if we are going to pass legislation regulating the taxing of education, we should not limit it merely to post-secondary schools. I think we ought to also consider the primary and secondary schools. I think this deserves very definitely, this subject deserves very definite consideration in a committee hearing. And I would ask all of you to vote against this at this particular time, so it can have the proper hearings and so a proper Bill can be passed that addresses all of the aspects of this particular Bill. Thank you very much."
"Representative Homer to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason why this type of limitation should be placed on municipal government and home rule government is simply this. The fact is that many students who attend universities within these municipalities are not registered to vote there. They're registered to vote somewhere else, perhaps because their home residence is in some other city or town. And if the proposition, 'taxation without representation' ever meant something, I think we have to do something to protect these students who otherwise can be an inviting target of public officials who are desperate or anxious to raise money and prey upon a group that is disenfranchised and unable to speak at the ballot box. If ever there were a class of people that this General Assembly ought to stand up and protect, it's our children who attend school in other communities, who spend money in those communities, from which those communities greatly benefit in economic and other terms, and it's unconscionable to allow such a 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 municipality to impose a tax on these people because they are vulnerable, disenfranchised and do not vote for those public officials. So I would hope that we could have a bipartisan expression of support for the proposition that Senate Bill 2237 which disallows municipalities to impose such a tax on our children attending schools in their communities. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 2237 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. This Bill requires 71 votes for passage. Gentleman from Coles, Representative Weaver."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just briefly explain my vote. Those of you who have a university in your district, beware, the door has been open. It is now public knowledge that unless this Bill passes, your city council can levy a tax, a head tax or a tuition tax, on the students that attend your university, and you better be prepared for the fallout unless this Bill passes."
"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just to echo Representative Weaver. I mean this is the height of foolishness. If you allow city governments to levy these taxes in any way, shape or form or amount, you're increasing the cost of education, which will then drive people to come over here to have you increase money to scholarships, grants, loans and money for higher education. You're going to get stuck this way no matter how you vote on this issue. If you're going to vote 'no' and let the locals levy this tax, then you better be prepared to put ever more increasing amounts of money into scholarships, loans and grants because you're increasing...you're 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 allowing the locals to increase the cost of higher education. I don't think you want to go home and explain that."
"Representative Bowman, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Well, only to urge people not to vote their neighbor's switch, because there are some people absent, and I would like a verification."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 76 voting 'yes', 16 voting 'no', 19 voting 'present'. Representative Bowman requests a verification of the vote. Representative Homer requests a Poll of the Absentees."
"Poll of those not voting. Currie. Krska and Van Duyne. No further. Poll of those voting in the affirmative. Ackerman. Black. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Churchill. Countryman. Cowlishaw. Daniels. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Doederlein. Farley. Flinn. Virginia Frederick. Giorgi. Goforth. Hallock. Hannig. Hartke. Hasara. Hicks. Hoffman. Homer. Hultgren. Johnson. Keane. Kubik. Kulas. Laurino. Leitch. Leverenz. Martinez. Mautino. McAuliffe. McCracken. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Mulcahey. Munizzi. Nolan. Novak. Bob Olson. Myron Olson. Parcells. Parke. Bernard Pedersen. William Peterson. Phelps. Piel. Pullen. Reagan. Richmond. Ronan. Ropp. Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Sieben. Stange. Steczo. Stephens. Tenhouse. Terzich. Weaver. Weller. Wennlund. White. Williamson. Wojcik. Wolf. Woolard. Zickus and Mr. Speaker. No further."
"Representative McNamara asks leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Representative Lang votes 'aye'. Questions of the affirmative vote. Representative 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 15, 1990 143rd Legislative Day Bowman."
"Well, we'll start with the Bill's Sponsor, Keane."
"Representative Keane. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? How is Representative Keane voting?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."
"Remove him from the Roll Call."
"Representative DeLeo?"
"Representative DeLeo. Is Representative DeLeo in the chamber? How is Representative DeLeo recorded as voting?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."
"Remove him from the Roll Call."
"Representative Laurino?"
"Representative Laurino. Is Representative Laurino in the chamber? How is Representative Laurino recorded as voting?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."
"Remove him from the Roll Call." "Representative Farley?"
"Representative Farley is in his chair....or close to it."
"Ronan?"
"Representative Ronan. Is Representative Ronan in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded as voting?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."
"Remove him from the Roll Call."
"Representative Johnson?"
"Representative Johnson is in his chair."
"Representative Wennlund?"
"Representative Wennlund. Representative How Wennlund. Is Representative Wennlund in the chamber? is the Gentleman recorded as voting?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'." 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day
"Remove him from the Roll Call."
"Hasara?" November 15, 1990
"Representative Hasara's in the center aisle."
"Representative McCracken?"
"Representative McCracken is in the rear of the chamber. Plotting in the rear of the chamber. Representative Petka, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, change me from 'no' to 'aye', please."
"Representative Petka votes 'aye'. Representative Williamson asks leave to be verified. Leave is granted."
"Okay, no further questions."
"On this question there are 73 voting 'yes', 15 voting 'no', 18 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. This Bill, having received the required Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. Agreed Resolutions."
"Agreed Resolutions. Tony."
"General Resolutions."
"House Joint Resolution 156, Morrow; and House Resolution 2331, Stephens."
"Committee on Assignment. A Message from the Senate."
"A Message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Joint Resolution #221, Resolved by the Senate of the 86th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein that when the two Houses adjourn on Thursday, 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 November 15, 1991, they stand adjourned until Wednesday, November 28, 1991, at twelve o'clock noon.'"
"Representative Homer moves that the Adjournment Resolution be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 2369, offered by Representative Pullen and Kulas; House Resolution 2370, offered by Representative Curran."
"Representative Homer moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. House Resolution 2333. Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk."
"House Resolution 2333, offered by Representative McPike. BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-SIXTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that a special service committee, to consist of five members of the House, three to be appointed by the Speaker of the House and two to be appointed by the Minority Leader of the House to be known as the Journal Review Committee, is hereby created; and be it further RESOLVED, That the Journal Review Committee shall examine and review the Journals of the House of Representatives of the Eighty-Sixth General Assembly and may give final approval to such Journals."
"By use of the Attendance Roll Call, House Resolution 2333 is now adopted. Representative Homer now moves that the House does stand adjourned until Wednesday, November 28, 1991 (sic - 1990) at 12:00 o'clock noon, allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk."
"House will be in Perfunctory Session. General 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION. DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day November 15, 1990 Resolutions: House Resolution 2331, Stephens, to Committee on Assignment. Senate by Ms. Representatives Messages from the Senate. Message from the Hawker, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am to of ordered to... I am directed inform the House that the Senate has passed Bills, the veto of the Governor to the contrary, notwithstanding, and the passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House to wit; 2256. Senate Bills #1568, 1569, 1709, 2058 and Signed, Linda Hawker, Secretary of the Senate. ' message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary, 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has restored the items reduced by the Governor which are attached in the Bills of the following title, and the restoration of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House to wit; Senate Bill #1788. And I am further directed to transmit House of Representatives the following Governor's item reduction message to the taken by the Senate November Secretary of the Senate.' Hawker, Secretary. 14, 1990. Copy Senate, to the of the action Linda Hawker, A message from the Senate by Ms. Speaker, I am directed to inform 'Mr. the House of Representatives that the Senate has accepted the Governor's specific recommendations for change which are attached to of of which I am the House to Bills, the acceptance instructed to ask the concurrence wit; Senate Bills #1456, 1523, 1591, 1619, 1884, 1588, 1617, 1996, 2036, 2168 and 2222. further Senate.' No adjourned." Linda Hawker, Secretary of the business. The House now stands 37 REPORT: TIFLOAY PAGE: 001 IATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 15, 1990 91/01/31 15:41:15 HB-2030 MOTION PAGE 3 HB-2030 DISCUSSED PAGE 12 HB-3042 VETO ACTION PAGE 18 HB-3109 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 12 HB-3341 VETO ACTION PAGE 12 HB-3544 VETO ACTION PAGE 24 HB-3613 VETO ACTION PAGE 11 HB-4221 VETO ACTION PAGE 14 SB-0543 SECOND READING PAGE 23 SB-1098 MOTION PAGE 3 SB-1098 MOTION PAGE 8 SB-1310 MOTION PAGE 9 SB-2193 DISCUSSED PAGE 15 SB-2237 THIRD READING PAGE 28 SB-2239 CONFERENCE PAGE 5 SB-2239 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 8 HJR-0149 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0149 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 HJR-0150 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0150 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 HJR-0151 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0151 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 HJR-0152 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0152 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 HJR-0153 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0153 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 HJR-0154 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0154 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 HJR-0155 ADOPTED PAGE 4 HJR-0155 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 4 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER SPEAKER BRESLIN PAGE 1 PRAYER PASTOR HOUGSTED PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 2 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 COMMITTEE REPORT PAGE 5 INTROUDCTION WANG LEE PAGE 9 REPRESENTATIVE GIORGI IN THE CHAIR PAGE 10 MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE PAGE 12 REPRESENTATIVE YOUNG IN THE CHAIR PAGE 22 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 35 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 35 MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE PAGE 35 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 35 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 36 MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE PAGE 37 PERFUNCTORY SESSION ADJOURNMENT PAGE 37