"The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is Reverend Van J. Frownfelter of the Assemblies of God Church in Mattoon, Illinois. Reverend Frownfelter is the guest of Representative Mike Weaver. The guests in the balcony may wish to rise and join us for the invocation."
"Let us pray. Our Lord and our God, we come before You today in whom there is no pretense. You know our secret thoughts, You know our weaknesses and our fears. And we pray this day, Lord, that Your will shall be accomplished here in these chambers. We ask Your blessing. We ask You, Lord, to make Your presence known. We would also ask that You would bless the families represented by these who serve us here in the State of Illinois. We pray that the blessing of the Lord shall be upon them, safety and keeping. And we pray, Lord, that for the time that is spent here in serving the state that their families, likewise, shall know the favor of God upon their own homes. Now we thank You for the health and strength You give us, and we are bold to ask You this in the powerful name of Jesus Christ. Amen."
"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Schakowsky."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker. The excused absences today are Representative Jeffrey Schoenberg and Representative Bob LeFlore."
"Thank you. Mr. Kubik." 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you, April 13, 1993 Mr. Speaker. The excused absences on the Republican side are Representative Bernie Pedersen."
"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, take the record. One-hundred-fifteen members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Introduction and First Reading."
"House Bill 2446, offered by Representative Leitch, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill."
"Page 55 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar. Second Reading. Second Day, read the Bills."
"House Bill 76, a Bill for an Act to amend the Senior Citizens Real Estate Tax Deferral Act, with Amendment 1. House Bill 292, a Bill for an Act concerning the service of process. House Bill 342, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. House Bill 364, a Bill for an Act to amend the Narcotics Profit Forfeiture Act, with Amendment 1. House Bill 405, a Bill for an Act to amend the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. House Bill 684, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act of 1939, with Amendment 1. House Bill 747, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act of 1939. House Bill 909, a Bill for an Act concerning ambulance services. House Bill 1295, a Bill for an Act amending the Charitable Games Act. House Bill 1434, a Bill for an Act amending the Alton Lake Heritage Parkway Law. House Bill 1707, a Bill for an Act amending the Solid Waste Planning and Recycling Act, with Amendment 1. House Bill 1854, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. House Bill 2185, a Bill for an Act concerning domestic violence, with Amendment 1."
"Third Reading. All right. Two bills were knocked off of Consent (sic-Calendar) on that last reading. (House 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Bill) 1310 and 2372 were knocked off Consent (sic-Calendar). House Bills, Second Reading, Local Government. House Bill 105, Mr. Homer. (House Bill) 144, Mr. Brunsvold. All right, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 144, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. . .Balanoff, 165. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 165, a Bill for an Act amending the Cook County Forest Preserve District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Balanoff."
"Is it printed? Yes. Read the... Mr. Balanoff, Amendment 2."
"It's regarding improvements and...forest preserve districts and I hope we'll adopt the Amendment."
"The question is 'Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?' Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes, he will."
"Thank you. Representative, it's my understanding that the Amendment becomes the Bill, and would permit - correct me if I'm wrong - would permit the construction, the restoring, the reconditioning and reconstructing improvements the development of forest and lands of the Cook County Forest Preserve District. Any...any one of those may be done by issuing bonds without a referendum. Is that...correct?"
"Mr. Balanoff." 3 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Balanoff: "I think that's correct. Yes."
"Mr. Black." April 13, 1993
"What...what was his answer, Mr. Speaker?"
"His answer was 'I think that's correct'."
"I think it is, too. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the...the House. Floor Amendment 2, I believe, makes some substantial changes in the...Cook County Forest Preserve District Act. You're going to allow this district to enter into some rather long-term bonded indebtedness without referendum, and these bonds can be issued for any number of projects, and again, without referendum. I'm not sure that this is a particularly good idea at this time, with the concern on property taxes and...and the bonded indebtedness that this state and its local entities of government owe already. So, Mr. Speaker, in the interest of good government, I would ask a 'no' vote on Floor Amendment 2 and would also ask, and am joined by sufficient number of my colleagues, in asking...for a Roll Call Vote on Floor Amendment 2."
"Further discussion? Mr. Balanoff, to close."
"I just ask for favorable consideration."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 2 be adopted?' All those in favor, vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. You've all voted. Have have all voted? Have all voted who wish. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 31 'ayes' and 62 'noes'. The Amendment's defeated. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments. A correctional budget and impact note and a fiscal note and state mandates note, as amended, has been requested on the Bill."
"The Bill stays on Second Reading. House Bill 168, Mr. Lang. House Bill 175, Mr. Capparelli. Mr. 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Brunsvold, on 343. Brunsvold. Mr. Lang, on 548. Mr. Lang on 550. Mr. Balanoff, on 610. (House Bill) 611, Mr. Balanoff. Representative Wojcik, on 630. Mr. Clerk, has this Bill been read a second time, previously?"
"The Bill has not been read a second time, previously."
"Read the Bill. Take it out of the record. Mr. Ryder, on 703. Mr. Ryder. Mr. McAuliffe, on 995. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 995, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Santiago. (House Bill) 1273. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1273, a Bill for an Act to amend the Counties Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. (House Bill) 1279, Mr. Santiago. Out of the record. (House Bill) 80...81...80. (House Bill) 1280. (House Bill) 1280. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1280, a Bill for an Act amending the Township Law of 1874. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Lang."
"Offered by...by who?"
"Representative Lang."
"Mr. Lang, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 1 deals with the qualifications of township assessors. Currently in the Act, there is a long list of requirements a township assessor must go through. This Amendment would...would add attorneys 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 and accountants (CPA's), as those who can be qualified to be township assessor. I move adoption."
"On the Amendment, Mr. Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, this is a very creative Amendment, but let me make sure I understand this. Any...anyone with a valid law degree or a certified public accountant's...license could then be a township assessor, correct?"
"That's correct."
"Wouldn't this destroy the very heart of the assessment practice, in that they are suppose to have X number of hours of the certified institute for appraisal officials, so that they at least know something about the appraisal process?"
"...The reason that all that long list of requirements is put into the Act in the first place is to make sure, of course, that those who are doing the job are qualified to do it. There's a large however. The howevers are that...in many townships, the assessors really don't do any assessing at all and most of those courses are a waste for those assessors. There are, also, some townships that have difficulty finding a person who has been able to take all those courses to be qualified under the Act. So, several townships have come to me and requested...that we add this in to enable them to find people to take these positions without going through a lot of courses for no reason."
"I...I think the key to the Amendment is what you just stated. It's your understanding that the township officials of Illinois want this Amendment?" 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"I didn't say Black: the April 13, 1993 township officials of Illinois, but several townships, individual townships have come to me." "Okay...all right."
"The township officials of Illinois, I believe, have seen the Amendment and have not objected to it."
"I...I think you are absolutely correct. I have not heard from them as well, and I appreciate your patience, Representative. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Floor Amendment 1 to House Bill 1280 greatly expands who could serve as a township assessor. Now, without any particular qualification in assessment or property tax...law, you are enabling people to run for a most critical office, who may not have any demonstrable knowledge of the assessment process. I can understand the Gentleman's point that perhaps some townships are, indeed, haing trouble finding certified assessors, but I would say to you, that's the problem we need to address. To...to simply address this problem by expanding and allowing any CPA and any lawyer of licensed to practice in the State of Illinois to be a township assessor may not make the situation better, it may make it worse. A 'no' vote might be advisable on Floor Amendment 1."
"Representative Parke."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition because I know that in the suburban areas when people get their assessments, most of the time when they take time to come into that office, they're upset and they expect answers. And many times, that arena is very, very complicated and sometimes they need to be able to explain logically, based on the courses...the courses they took, what has happened because of the intricacies of the assessment process. I would ask that we 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 have a Roll Call on this. This is a bad idea, and I would ask that we defeat this unwise Amendment."
"Representative Giglio."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Actually, the Amendment really doesn't go far enough. Now, you're talkin' about lawyers and you're talkin' about CPA'S, what's failed to mentioned that the assessors in Cook County don't assess at all, yet they have to have one of five different categories to be qualified to...to accompany their petitions when they file that they went to one of those schools. Now, if you're gonna have lawyers and CPA's to be assessors, why you might as well have plumbers and teachers and everybody else to be a candidate for the office of assessor, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. So, this...this Amendment should really be voted down, and if we're going to put a good Amendment on, maybe we can just apply it to Cook County because when you go to the assessor's office in Cook County, they don't assess; you're just getting nothing more than information. So, anybody can...that knows how to read can get the information and pass it on because you have to go to the assessor's office either in the satellite...place in Cook County or you have to go downtown to the County...County Clerk's office where the assessor is at. So, this should really be voted 'no'."
"Representative Murphy." Murphy, Maureen: "Thank you, Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as a former township official in suburban Cook County, the Assessor's Office is one of the first lines of defense that a property tax owner has. To have some knowledge of the assessment procedure is imperative. And even though my son is going to graduate this year and be a 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 CPA, I think that I agree 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 but, in all due respect to the Sponsor, in small towns it...it could be very difficult, if not impossible, to comply with the intent of the Gentleman's Bill. If my...if most of the cities in my district rely on part-time police officers to augment a very under staffed professional police force, and we'll never have the...we'll never have adequate staff because we simply don't have the tax base in much of rural Illinois to support the kind of full-time professional police force we would like. So, in...in all respect to the Sponsor, all my Amendment says is that should his Bill become law, it does not apply to municipalities...with a population of...150,000 or less; Any municipality with a population of 150,001 or more, if they want to, then could abide by this law. I'd be glad to answer any question that you have. I would urge your favorable consideration of Floor Amendment 1."
"Representative Saltsman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can see why he didn't talk to me about this Amendment before because it's a killer Amendment, and all I'm asking the people on this side of the aisle to do is to vote against this Amendment. It's a terrible Amendment. Let's face this Bill on its merits on Third Reading and kill this Amendment right now. I urge a 'no' vote."
"Mr. Hartke. Mr. Hartke."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I stand in support of Representative Black's Amendment. I hate to do that with my colleague's piece of legislation, but many downstate small communities just...just cannot afford all full-time employees. We have many part-time employees who work parades and things like that, so I would object to his objection to Representative Black's Amendment. I think it's 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 a fair Amendment, and I support the Amendment."
"Representative... Tim Johnson." Johnson, Tim: "Well, with all due respect to the Sponsor, with our downstate colleagues that I agree with quite a bit, I don't know why this Bill is in the form that it's in. Representative Black's Amendment certainly makes some sense of the Amendment. We don't have two states in Illinois, but we certainly have several ways of approaching critical issues, including public safety. I don't know why we need to dictate to the citizens of downstate Illinois how they're supposed to run their police departments, and if this Bill, in its current form, passes without this Amendment, it would be absolutely devastating to the public safety and to the treasuries of scores, countless scores, of communities throughout Illinois that simply recognize the reality that with budget constraints at a local level, as well as the state level, the way they are today, you can't operate, you simply can't operate - period - the way this Amendment would propose to do. And, so, Representative Black's Amendment is simply one that...not...that's totally non-partisan, totally non-political, but recognizes the fact that those of us...those of us who represent downstate communities have to operate our...our police departments, fire departments, and so forth the best way we can, and this is...a...necessary, not just a good, but a necessary Amendment for our interests, and I would also, Mr. Speaker, ask for a...a Roll Call Vote on this... House Amendment 1."
"Representative Saltsman, for what reason do you rise?"
"Yes, is (sic-are) there any more witnesses? Do I have a chance to close?" 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"No, it's not your Amendment. April 13, 1993 You can't close. It's not your Amendment. You've already spoken on it."
"I'll speak to my vote then, if it's a Roll Call Vote."
"All right. Represenative...Wyvetter Younge. Representative Younge. Miss Younge. Your light's on."
"What does Amendment 1 do? I wanted to ask the Sponsor a question."
"Mr. Black?"
"The Lady would like you to explain Amendment 1."
"The Amendment 1 simply says that the Bill would allow any city in the State of Illinois, under 150,000 in population, to augment their police department with auxiliary or part-time police officers. That's all the Amendment says."
"Mr. Weaver."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to warn the downstate Members of this chamber what this Bill could possibly do to your districts. This will eliminate any part-time police forces in the smaller communities that would cause me to lose about six police forces. It would, also, prevent you from using part-time officers at festivals and special events where traffic control is needed, and it's just simply a bad Bill for downstate. I think the...the Amendment needs to be voted in to make it a little more palatable. I think a 'yes' vote on this Amendment is the only vote, and I liked to reiterate the call for an Oral Roll Call."
"The question is 'Shall Amendment 1 be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Mr. Stephens, to explain his vote."
"Never mind, Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Balthis, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the...the 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Gentleman's Amendment, and I think there's several issues that aren't even covered with this Amendment. There's still discussion as to what is a part-time police officer, what's an auxiliary police officer. Many communities call them different things. I think anybody that's voting for this, is doing a disservice to their community unless they live in Chicago."
"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Representative Saltsman, to explain his vote."
"Now...now here's what you're doing. You're giving powers to people who do not have any police power. You talk about tort liability and tort reform: When you pin a badge on these people who have had no training, who have not had the 400-hour course, they have no powers to arrest. Now, one of these people are going to arrest somebody, and you're going to end up in a court, and it's going cost these municipalities a fortune. If you do not take the 400-hour training course in the State of Illinois and you carry a gun and you let somebody pin a badge on you, and you've not had the proper training, your arresting powers are nil. Now, I've asked your people over there to go talk to our...Illinois State Police Training Board. If you wanna allow this to happen, we'll get rid of the Police Training Board, and you watch and see what happens, 'cause when something happens in your district, you're going to be wearing the black arm band, not the Fraternal Order of Police, not the Illinois Police... Association or not the Police Benevolent Protection Association. You're going to be wearing the black arm band 'cause these people have no arresting powers in the State of Illinois. We're not talking about civilian defense cops. We're not talking about crowd control. We're talking about these guys that a 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 mayor appoints his brother, and they're working for nothing. Now, if you want to lower the morale of a police officer, tell him I can put a guy out in the street doing the same thing for you and pay him nothing. No benefits, no pension benefits. If he gets killed, no insurance except the liability covered by the city. These guys are untrained, and they have no powers to make this type of an arrest. Now, this is why the three police organizations... This is not a Chicago Bill; this is a downstate Bill. Now, you better check with the Illinois Training Board before you vote for this or we can eliminate that. This was put in effect years ago to stop speed traps. We had officers in small villages...get...half their salary was getting half the tickets. half the money they got in...in arrests for traffic violations. This was put in effect 11, 12 years ago to eliminate them people. You're gonna put these people right back out there. I had one of your people on the other side of the aisle say, 'We...our guys work for a dollar a month..."
"Bring your remarks to a close."
"'...a dollar a month. You gonna tell me that guy's got policing powers and he's gonna get off of his job that makes $50-60,000 a year and go out there and work any day he wants to come in and throw that badge on the table and say 'I quit,' he can quit, because that's not his bread-and-butter job. You go ahead and vote for this. You're going to be wearing the black arm band; I'm not."
"Mr. Saltsman, do you want to vote? Do you wish to vote? Do you wish to vote? Yes. Thank you. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 81 'ayes' and 11 'noes', and the Amendment 1 is adopted. Further Amendments?" 14 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993
"No further Amendments. A state mandates note has been requested on the Bill."
"Mr. Black, do you want...want to withdraw that request or...?"
"No, I...I think we... Even on the over 150,000, I think it's a mandate, so we probably should get that answered."
"All right. The Bill stays on Second Reading. (House Bill) 1524, Mr. Black. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1524, a Bill for an Act amending the Special Area Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Black."
"Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. There's a technical error in Floor Amendment 2. Please withdraw."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment 2. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 3, offered by Representative Black."
"Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm... joined in co-sponsorship with this Amendment and this Bill by a colleague on the Democratic side of the aisle. What this Amendment does, I think all of you are aware that Illinois probably has more special-service tax districts than any state in the country, and once they are established, it is almost impossible to get rid of them. All this Amendment does in the Bill, underlying Bill, but the Amendment says that when you have a special hearing, a public hearing to establish a special-service district, you must provide at that hearing a list of names and addresses of all people in whose name the general taxes for the last proceeding year 15 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 were paid on each parcel of real estate in that special-service area. I think it's a reasonable Amendment to a reasonable Bill that will give taxpayers a better opportunity to be informed of a special-service district..."
"Mr. Black."
"...file their petitions in a correct form..."
"Mr. Black."
"And I know you're gonna tell me that it isn't printed."
"I'm going to ask you if it's printed. Is this printed? Is this Amendment printed? It's Amendment 3. No, it's not printed."
"Well, could you...could you just play back the tape when we get it printed?"
"Yes."
"I'll revise and extend my remarks."
"Yes, I could."
"Thank you."
"You weren't quite finished. You would have to pick up right where the tape...tape stops."
"Thank you."
"All right. Mr. Clerk, if you could get that tape ready for Mr. Black. It will be sometime next week. Mr. Hoffman, 1614. Out of the record. Mr. Turner, 1724. Art Turner. Miss Currie, 1728. Mr. Hoffman, 1740. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1740, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Lang, on 1902. Mr. Kubik, 1981. Mr. Dart, 2003. Representative Erwin, 2240. Representative Currie, 2405. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"House Bill 2405, a Bill for an Act amending the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1, adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Revenue, Second Reading. House Bill 113, Mr. Saltsman. Don Saltsman. Saltsman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 113, a Bill for an Act in relation to taxation. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1, adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Giorgi, 265. Read the Bill. (House Bill) 265."
"House Bill 265, a Bill for an Act amending the Bingo License and Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Flinn. Monroe Flinn. Flinn. (House Bill) 293. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Laurino, in the Chair."
"House Bill 293, a Bill for an Act amending the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Amendment 1, Wennlund. Representative Flinn, for what reason do you rise, Sir."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to take this out of the record for a few minutes. We need to...to discuss the Amendment on...privately on the floor."
"Mr. Clerk, take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 317, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 331, Representative Edley. Out of the record. House Bill 380, Representative Hoffman. Jay Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 429, Representative Balanoff. (House 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Bill) 429. Out of the record. House Bill 444, Representative Jack Kubik. Representative Kubik? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 444, a Bill for an Act amending the Bingo License and Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 454, Representative McGuire. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 454, a Bill for an Act in relation to revenue sharing. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We'll go back to House Bill 317. Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 317, a Bill for an Act amending the Senior Citizens Real Estate Tax Deferral Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 471, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 471, a Bill for an Act in relation to a tax on firearm sales. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 650, Representative Giglio. Frank Giglio. Representative Giglio, House Bill 650. Representative Giglio, House Bill 650. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 650, a Bill for an Act amending named Acts in relation to vocational instruction. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 699, Representative 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day McGuire. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 699, a Bill for an Act concerning civic centers. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 732, Representative Frederick. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 732, a Bill for an Act amending the North Shore Sanitary District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 798, Representative Woolard. Out of the record. House Bill 808, Representative Steczo. Terry Steczo on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 904, Representative Hartke. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.
"House Bill 904, a Bill for an Act in relation to state occupation and use tax. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 930, Representative Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 1059, Representative McGuire. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1059, a Bill for an Act amending the Local Tax Collection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1122, Representative Levin. Representative Ellis Levin on the floor? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1122, a Bill for an Act amending the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1125, Representative 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Murphy. Representative Murphy. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Out of the record? Give me the right sign, Representative Murphy. Do you want it out of the record, or do you want it called? Out of the record. House Bill 1166, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1166, a Bill for an Act in relation to taxation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1212, Representative Novak. Representative Phil Novak. Somebody want to poke Novak. Tell him he's awake. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1212, a Bill for an Act amending the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1294, Representative Woolard. Representative Woolard on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 1376, Jack Kubik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1376, a Bill for an Act in relation to taxations. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1377, Representative Kubik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1377, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Lottery Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1383, Representative Kubik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1383, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Jack, do you want to go back to House... I think we did it. My mistake. House Bill 1420, Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Oh, no. Out of the record. House Bill 1501, Representative Meyer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1501, a Bill for an Act in relation to funds administered by the Department of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 4...1542, Representative Hartke. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1542, a Bill for an Act amending the Service Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1584, Representative Turner. Art Turner. Out of the record. House Bill 1711, Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1711, a Bill for an Act in relation to mining and occupation use taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1729, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1729, a Bill for an Act amending the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions Filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1736, Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1736, a Bill for an Act amending the 21 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1749, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1749, a Bill for an Act amending the Casual Deficit Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment 1 is designed to bring some accountability to the state's investment program and SO that the Deputy Auditor General...would take a look at the state's investment program and determine whether or not...the...office of the treasurer has been...depositing funds in the best interest of the people of Illinois and at the highest interest rates available, and...to determine whether or not the performance of the investment practices of the office of the treasurer are, in fact, in the best interest of the people of Illinois. It's a good government Bill and a Bill to bring accountability to the office..."
"Excuse me, Representative Wennlund, for one second. Representative Dart, for what purpose to you arise, Sir?"
"Inquiry of the Chair, as to the germaneness of this Amendment."
"The question to the Parliamentarian. Just a moment, please. Your point is well-taken. Sir and the Amendment is not germane due to the reason that it amends the Casual Deficit Act and changes the title to the Short-Term Borrowing Reform Act, and the Amendment refers to the Illinois State Auditing Act. Sorry, Representative 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Wennlund. Who's on first, huh? Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1926, Representative Martinez. Ben Martinez on the floor? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1926, a Bill for an Act creating the Tax Preparers Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Larry, is this the same Amendment you offered on...Currie's Bill?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment 1 addresses the problem of..."
"Excuse me, Representative Wennlund. For what reason does Representative Granberg arise?"
"A question of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. Is this Amendment germane to the Bill?"
"We'll have the Parliamentarian review. The question not well taken. Proceed, Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In the last two years, this General Assembly has passed six new unfunded licensures, and what we're talking about is a cost in excess a half of a million dollars just to implement this cost program. And all the Amendment says is that, look, before...we can implement or before the department is required to implement and enforce the new licensures, they don't have to do it until the funds are, in fact, appropriated for the implementation and administration and enforcement of these licensure Bills. And the purpose of this Floor Amendment is to bring some sanity to the entire process, and it's nice. Everybody likes to be licensed. Everybody wants to be licensed, but 23 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 the problem is is nobody wants to come up with a tax increase to fund these new licensing programs. Somewhere in this entire process, it's got to come to a halt until we can say, 'Hey look, we don't have to enforce any of these licensure laws until, in fact, we have appropriated moneys to the Department of Professional Regulation, to in fact, implement these licensure programs'. This brings some sanity to the process and says, 'Look, the Department of Professional Regulation is not required to implement and enforce these new licensure provisions until there's money appropriated for it'. It's simple sense; Can't spend money we don't have."
"Representative Currie, for what reason do you..."
"Thanks, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to the Amendment. It's one thing to say that the fees that are established by the Bill may not be adequate to run the licensure programs. In that case, maybe you want to offer an Amendment that would increase those fees. It's my view that the fees, as this Bill was introduced, were adequate for the Department of Professional Regulation to do what it's asked to do under the...particulars of House Bill 1926. But the Amendment that is offered before us right now is a way to kill the program completely. There is no way STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 department to make this licensure program work, and I would urge you to vote against this Amendment."
"For what reason... Representative Murphy." Murphy, Maureen: "This...this Bill was heard in Revenue, and the Amendment should speak, as it does, to the costs of starting up...up...registration. This is not licensure, a full-boat licensure. We're two days from tax day. All the Bill would require is you send in $50 and you become a registered tax preparer. It does not speak to proficiency. It does not speak to ability, and by adding to the licensing part...with the department, I have the department agency people right here. We've talked at Revenue. They are against this Bill. It would cost substantial amount of money to simply register. If you want to send in $50, you could be registered as a tax preparer. It does not protect the consumer. It adds to government, and again, anyone who's got $50 can be a tax preparer. I speak in favor of the Amendment, because if we don't have the money, we shouldn't be registering. Thank you."
"Representative Granberg, for what...is recognized, Sir."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Amendment, and I would urge the Members on this side of the aisle to allow the Gentleman, Representative Martinez, to keep his Bill intact. The fees can be allocated at a later date. Let's honor the Gentleman's intention and defeat this Amendment."
"Representativa Levin, for what purpose do you arise, Sir? Thank you. Representative Kubik."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I listened, with interest, to comments of the previous speaker, who, we might know, is championing an 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment to stop mandates. This Bill is a mandate on state government, and as a result, it costs money. So, I find it interesting that the previous speaker feels that...this is a mandate that we don't have to worry about. But the point is, this is a mandate, it will cost money, and all we're saying with this Amendment is: If you're going to register these people, then you ought to have the money to pay for the registration. That's all we are saying. I don't think that's a crazy or unrealistic point of view. I think the Representative has a good Bill. This makes it a better Bill. It makes it a more fiscally responsible Bill. So, if you're going to add to the cost of government, then you ought to be against this Amendment. If you believe that we oughta live within our means and make government accountable, then you oughta be for Representative Wennlund's Amendment. Mr. Speaker, I would ask for a Roll Call Vote on Amendment 1."
"Representative Martinez."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I...I stand in opposition to this Amendment simply because it...it would damage this Bill, as...as I propose it. This is a consumers Bill. It's meant to protect the public from unscrupulous people that just set up their...signs 'tax preparers' without benefit of any education in the field or anything. This Bill has the support of a large tax preparing company, one of the largest in the country, and I doubt that they would support it if it did not have any merits. Around tax time, all of the sudden, you see all empty storefronts being used for...tax preparers, that just seem to come out of the wood work. What this tries to do is to...protect the public from...from people that have no business in this business, but because it's not licensed, they're free to practice it. 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day I ask...a 'no' April 13, 1993 vote for this Amendment cause it would jeopardize the...this procedure that I would like to advance."
"Thank you, Representative."
"I ask your support on the Bill. Thank you."
"The question is 'Shall Amendment 1 to House Bill 1926?' All those in favor will indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed will vote 'no'. The board is open. Representative Wennlund, for what reason do you arise, Sir?"
"To explain my vote, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if could we have a little bit of order here. What this Bill, the Amendment does, it cures the problem that the Department of Professional Regulation has undergone severe budget cuts for the last two years, and we know that this Bill provides no start-up costs; and we know just to implement any licensure bill, the department is going to incur several thousand dollars worth of cost in implementing this program. It is not good sound fiscal policy. That's why this Amendment is necessary and makes sense for the business of state government to operate. Unless you are willing to vote for a tax increase, you ought to vote for this Amendment."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Amendment, having received 51 'ayes', 60 'nays', and 1 voting 'present', is defeated. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2080, Representative Dart. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2080, a Bill for an Act in relation to 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 truth in taxation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2148, Representative Moseley. Is she here? Out of the record. House Bill 2197. Representative Phelan. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2197, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2410, Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2410, a Bill for an Act amending the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We'll now proceed to Education, Second Reading. House Bill 280, Representative Hicks. Larry Hicks in the chamber? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 280, Education."
"House Bill 280, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Hicks."
"Representative Hicks, on House... Amendment 2 to..."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I...I would table Amendment 2. I would withdraw Amendment 2."
"Withdraws Amendment 2. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment 3, offered by Representative Hicks."
"Representative Hicks, Amendment 3."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 3 would be a technical Amendment, correcting some of the problems with Amendment 1 and 2." 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Hicks, our...our file indicates that...that Amendment 3 is identical to Amendment 1, which was adopted in committee."
"That's my understanding, also, Representative. My understanding that..."
"Then I guess, what's the purpose of this Amendment if it's identical to the...Amendment 1, which was adopted in committee?"
"I'm trying to figure that out, Representative. I guess if that's the case, Representative, we could withdraw (Amendment) 3 and go with just the Bill, as is."
"The Sponsor wishes to withdraw Amendment 3. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 347, Representative John Dunn. Out of the record. House Bill 418, Representative Weller. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 418, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Weller."
"Representative Weller, on Amendment 2, House Bill 418."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment addresses concerns addressed by Members of the committee. It was requested by Representative Ostenburg and others. I've run this Amendment by all the groups that are interested in legislation. It's agreeable and addresses their concerns. I ask for its adoption." 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"Any discussion? Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amend... Representative Granberg, for what reason do you arise?"
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, I think... Amendment 2 would make the...the original Bill applicable to private or non-public schools. Is that correct?"
"Yes. That was...Yes it is, Representative, and that was the request of the Members of the committee, as we had discussed."
"Okay, thank you."
"The Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 418. All those in favor, indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 532, Representative Helm. Representative Cowlishaw, what reason do you arise, Ma'am?"
"Mr. Speaker, I believe House Bill 532 is one of the Committee Bills from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education. Is that correct?"
"Evidently."
"Pardon me?"
"Evidently. 'Cause we have no Representative Helm."
"In that event, either Representative Brunsvold or I would...would be glad to handle the Bill for you."
"Fine. Proceed. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 532, the Bill has been read a second time, previously. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Motions filed. Floor Amendment 3, offered by Representative Cowlishaw."
"Pardon me, Mr. Speaker. May I inquire? What happened to Amendment 2? Was it withdrawn?"
"It was withdrawn yesterday."
"Oh, thank you very much. Amendment 3... Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment 3 is the Amendment that was agreed to in committee. What this Bill does is permits school districts to hold a referendum for a tax rate increase for a limited period of time, rather than indefinitely. This is an initiative of the Illinois Farm Bureau, and during the discussion in committee, it was suggested that rather than having this simply say that you can do this and put the limit at five years, that instead there should be a period of time that would permit any local school district that wanted to put one of these issues on the ballot some flexibility. And, consequently, what this Amendment does, is to state that proposition can be put forward quote 'for a limited period of not less than three, nor more than ten years', and then goes on then to add 'or for an unlimited period'. So that it is...it is clear that those...those options are all available to those...to those local school districts. This Amendment is not controversial at all, and I would....I would move for its adoption."
"Any discussion? Representative Granberg."
"Representative Cowlishaw. You discussed this with Representative Brunsvold, and Representative Brunsvold is in agreement?"
"That...that is correct. This...this Amendment is all agreed to in the committee."
"Okay, thank you." 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"If you look at Representative Brunsvold, I think you can tell from his hand signals."
"He think's he's flagging a cab in China. The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 3 to House Bill 532. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment 4, offered by Representative Blagojevich."
"Representative Blagojevich. Representative Blagojevich on the floor? Proceed on Amendment 4, Representative. Representative Blagojevich, on Amendment 4 to House Bill 532."
"This Amendment...states that with regard to special education and handicapped children, that inclusion of handicapped children with regular children in classrooms is a desired goal but that those decisions ought to be made on a case-by-case basis."
"Further discussion? Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor of this Amendment yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, this is a controversial Amendment. It is not that I am not in accord with what it is you are trying to do here, but we have, by tradition, tried to respect Committee Bills that are put together by the committee, come forward without any specific person's name on them; and I would respectfully suggest that, in keeping with the traditions of this chamber, you withdraw this Amendment and have it drafted to go on a Bill that still bears an individual Sponsor's name and not do anything to this Committee Bill that we so carefully crafted in the 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day committee." to April 13, 1993
"Can I respond? I spoke the Chairman of the committee, and it's his Bill. As a freshman, I have to assume that the Chairman of the committee would not have approved this Amendment if he did not think it was appropriate."
"Further discussion? Representative Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise to support Representative Cowlishaw's request. I didn't hear if the Gentleman is going to withdraw It or not. This is a Committee Bill. It is not in the name of Representative Brunsvold or Cowlishaw, and the process here, and certainly respecting the Representative as a freshman, Committee Bills are generally agreed to by both sides of the aisle and kept clean from those Amendments that defeat the underlying purpose of a Committee Bill. I f the Gentleman would choose not to withdraw his Amendment, and we will certainly ask a Member on our side of the aisle to withdraw a subsequent Amendment 5, then I would urge that Members on both sides of the aisle oppose Amendment 4."
"Representative Wennlund, for what reason do you arise, Sir?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Can you tell us the purpose of...of Amendment Representative?" 4,
"Yes, the purpose is as follows: The goal of this Bill is to indicate that in circumstances regarding special education inclusion (that is including handicapped children) with non-handicapped children is a goal and a objective that is probably preferable, but those decisions ought to be made on a case-by-case basis, depending upon 33 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 each individual handicapped child's situation."
"Who makes those decisions now? As to whether or not a handicapped child or a special ed child is...is to be mainstreamed or not mainstreamed with...with other students."
"The...there's a state advisory council that makes those decisions now, and they would still make those decisions. The Amendment, if you look at it, also provides a variety of guidelines that would be used, and I should say that this...Amendment is supported by different education groups, including the Illinois Education Association."
"Well, as I understand the Amendment, the Amendment only changes lines 18 through 21 on the first page of the Bill. Is that correct?"
"Right. Yes."
"What are the standards...and guidelines to be determined...that would determine whether or not a special education child should be mainstreamed?"
"I...I'm sorry...what... Is he asking me a question? Was that a question for me, Representative?"
"Yes."
"Yes. Can...can you repeat that?"
"What are the guidelines that are gonna be used to determine whether or not a handicapped child will be placed in a regular classroom or not placed in a regular classroom?"
"There'll be a variety of guidelines used if...and they're rather substantial: Case histories, clinical exam...evaluations, psychological tests and things of that sort; Parental consent, that's a big factor."
"Are special-ed kids now being mainstreamed?" 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Representative Wennlund. Representative Wennlund, hold on for a second. There seems to be a little confusion. Representative Cowlishaw, for what reason do you arise, Ma'am."
"Mr. Speaker, Representative Brunsvold and I would, respectfully, request that you take this Bill out of the record for a short period of time, if you would, please. Thank you."
"It shall be done. Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 593, Representative Davis. Monique Davis. House Bill 730, Terry Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 754, Representative Cowlishaw. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 754, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Cowlishaw."
"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, I was seeking recognition. I made an agreement in the committee that this Bill would be further amended before it moved off of Second Reading, and so I would really appreciate if you retain it on Second Reading and not move it to Third."
"The Lady wishes the Bill be brought back to Second Reading and re...remain on Second Reading until she amends it."
"Thank you."
"House Bill 757, Representative Mautino. Out of the record. House Bill 816, Tim Johnson. Representative Tim Johnson. Representative Black will proceed with Representative Johnson's Bill. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 816. The Bill has been read a second 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 time, previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 3, offered by Representative Tim Johnson."
"Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. I believe Amendment 2 should also be tabled. Is that correct? One and two? All right, thank you. Amendment 3, to the Amendment, corrects a drafting error, corrects a drafting error and I'm sure Representative Johnson, who has now joined us, could explain it better than I."
"Representative Johnson." Johnson, Tim: "This Bill... This Amendment is a agreed Amendment offered at the request of the State Board of Education, who had some concern about the... Bill, as originally proposed, and would vary somewhat the week...the weeks to be...the test...the IGAP test is to be given. The Bill passed unanimously with this Amendment, and the Amendment removes any opposition to the Bill."
"Further discussion? Further discussion? Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 3 to House Bill 816. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 895, Representative Turner? Art Turner on the Floor? Out of the record. House Bill 957, Representative Stroger. Out of the record. House Bill 985, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 985, a Bill for an Act to amend the Family Resource Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1083, Representative 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Bob Churchill. April 13, 1993 Out of the record. House Bill 1165, Representative Hoffman. Jay Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 1218, Representative McAfee. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1218, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Hannig."
"Representative Hannig, on Amendment 2."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. When the Bill was presented in committee, there was some question as to whether or not these low-interest loans could be used for construction costs, and the answer was 'no', and that was the consensus in the committee. All this Amendment does is clearly say that these moneys are to be used for educational purposes and not for new construction. I know Rep...Mr. McAfee's in agreement with that, and I think...the Republicans on...the committee are also in agreement, and I'd move for its adoption."
"Further discussion? Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1218. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1307, Representative Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1307, a Bill for an Act amending the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1308, Representative 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. No, out of the record. House Bill 1411, Representative Andrea Moore. Read...read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Okay."
"House Bill 1411, a Bill for an Act amending the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1695, Representative Dan Burke. Representative Burke? Out of the record. How about 1696? Out of the record? Fine. House Bill 1756, Representative Ben Martinez. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Out of the record. Out of the record. House Bill 1919, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 1935. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1935, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Currie."
"Representative Currie, on Amendment 2."
"Thank you Speaker and Members of the House. There was a problem...a flaw in the first Amendment, in which that Amendment failed to delete the Bill, as originally introduced. In committee we agreed to offer this Amendment on Second Reading, and the effect of this Amendment is substantively the same as the Amendment that was offered in committee, but it is technically correct and deletes any responsibilities of the community colleges to participate in this effort to make sure that federal job training money from the Department of Public Aid is adequately accounted for in respect to its use to help individual clients of the Department in their quest...to develop marketable skills." 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Further discussion? April 13, 1993 Representative Weaver."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he (sic-she) will."
"Representative Currie, does this move any adult education money...from the public aid grant area to community colleges?"
"No, the...the issue in the Bill was to try to make sure we have adequate accounting of the federal funds that come to the Department of Public Aid to be used for education and training programs for clients. If you remember in committee, Representative, you pointed out that the Amendment that we adopted in committee failed to delete responsibilities of the community college boards in respect to the accounting and reporting procedures. This Amendment clears up that initial problem by virtue of deleting the Bill as it originally was introduced and leaving only the substantive language, which will enable the Department of Public Aid to accept funds from other sources and will give us a clear handle on how the moneys that they get for their clients, in fact, are expended."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates she will."
"Thank you. Representative, it's my understanding now that, basically, Floor Amendment 2 becomes the Bill, deletes all references and/or any requirements to the Illinois Community College Board or the individual Illinois community colleges. Is that your intent?"
"Correct." 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you."
"Further discussion? Seeing none, the Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1935. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House will go to House Bill 532, Representative Cowlishaw? The Bill was pulled out of the record for a moment to further discussions between a...an Amendment Sponsor and...the committee. Has there been any...movement in agreement? Representative Cowlishaw?"
"Yes, thank you very much, Mr...Mr. Speaker. We appreciated your willingness to delay this so that we could...could we work this out. I think if you would recognize the Sponsor of Amendment 4 at this time, please?"
"Representative Blagojevich."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. At this time, we're going to withdraw the Amendment to House Bill 532, and we're gonna hopefully place that on another Bill, and that's the agreement that we worked out."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment 4 to House Bill 532. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 5, offered by Representative Hoeft."
"Representative Hoeft, on Amendment 5. Representative Hoeft."
"Please withdraw that Amendment."
"Withdraw Amendment 5. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"No further Amendments." 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Third Reading. April 13, 1993 House Bill 1999, Representative Dan Burke. Out of the record. House Bill 2073, Representative Phelan. Out of the record. House Bill 2077, Representative McAfee. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2077, a Bill for an Act to create the Child Development Teacher Loan Assumption Program. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Levin? record. House Bill 2107, Representative Representative Levin on the floor? Out of the House Bill 2198, Representative Hawkins. Out of the record. House Bill 2216, Representative Monique Davis. Out of the record. House Bill 2230, Representative Kubik. Jack Kubik? Out of the record. House Bill 2274, Representative Joel Brunsvold. Out of the record. (House Bill) 2282, Representative Gash. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2282, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We'll proceed to Elections and State Government, Second Reading. House Bill 73, Representative Barb Giolitto. Out of the record. Representative Lang? Out of the record. House Bill 103, Representative Novak. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 103, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Representative Novak, for what reason do you rise, Sir?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I wish to hold the Bill on Second 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Reading, please." April 13, 1993
"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 140, Representative Schoenberg. Out of the record. House Bill 476, Representative Curran. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 476, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Employees Group Insurance Act of 1971. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We're back to House Bill 99, Representative Lang. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 99, a Bill for an Act concerning participation in international boycotts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Lang."
"Representative Lang, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 1 is an Agreed Amendment with the Department of Transportation. It's not controversial. I move adoption."
"Further discussion. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, to the best of my knowledge, the Department of Transportation has not agreed to this Amendment. Am I misinformed?"
"The Department of Transportation drafted this Amendment."
"All right. Then, let me ask you one more question. If you're...if you're adding an immediate effective date to the Bill in this Amendment, and our staff says that you are, would...would not that...would not that Amendment then require an extraordinary majority to pass this Bill on 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day Third Reading?"
"Not before June 30th, Representative."
"I'll...I'll talk to you about that. Okay, thank you."
"Further discussion. Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 99. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House 641, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House... House Bill 641, a Bill for an Act in relation to employment opportunities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."
"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 831, Representative Curran. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 831, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 832, Representative Curran. Out of the record. House Bill 915, Representative Hannig. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 915, a Bill for an Act in relation to the Abandoned Mined Lands Reclamation Council. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Hannig."
"Representative Hannig. Number... Amendment 1."
"Yes, thank you Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This just clarifies the underlying Bill and provides that when this consolidation occurs that the Department of Mines 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 and Minerals would become the agency that would be in charge, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"Further discussion? Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Amendment. ...I'm one of the few Republican downstaters left that's a Member of the coal caucus. Those of you that have a coal or...coal reserves in your district, would want to take a look at this Amendment. The office of the governor, the office of lieutenant governor, and the Abandoned Mines Land Reclamation Council oppose this Amendment for the following reasons. The council is 100% federally funded through the U.S. Office of Surface Mining, so we're not gonna save any money by changing this to the Department of Mines and Minerals. The department would not be able to offset state mandates for their regulatory functions with federal abandoned mines lands grants. You couldn't commingle the money. Furthermore, the two agencies have a very different mission and responsibilities. Thirdly, and I think anybody who has...stripped mine coal or mines in their district, as I do, the Abandoned Mines Land Reclamation Council is recognized as one of the best and one of the most efficient in the country. In 1992 the United States Office of Surface Mines stated that the Illinois Abandoned Mine Lines... Lands program is addressing in a timely manner all identifiable high-priority coal hazards. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Amendment...a...simply becomes the Bill, abolishes the Abandoned Mined Lands Reclamation Council, turns everything over to the Department of Mines and Minerals. I don't know why the Gentleman wants to do this. There's nothing to be gained by this. The Abandoned Mined 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Lands Reclamation Council is doing a good job, and I'm not sure why...we would want to change something that appears to be working and has been recognized at the federal government level as working efficiently and effectively. In all due respect to the Sponsor, who I know is also in the coal caucus, I rise to...urge a 'no' vote and a recorded Roll Call Vote, Mr. Speaker, on his Amendment 1 to House Bill 915."
"Representative Hannig. Representative Hannig, to close."
"Yes, thank you Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I think the Representative on the other side is arguing the Third Reading...position that his Party may have taken. But the Bill, when it came out of committee, provided that we would consolidate the council for Abandoned Mine Reclamation Council with the Department of Mines and Minerals, and the United Mine Workers testified in favor of that in committee, and I don't think that they would be doing anything that they felt would be detrimental to coal. ...The Amendment simply says that, for clarification and clarity, that there would be one person in charge once this consolidation takes place and that would be the Department of Mines and Minerals. Now I'd be happy to argue the merits of whether or not we want to make this consolidation on Third Reading but, I think, that the Amendment simply makes the Bill better, and I'd urge an adoption of Amendment 1."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 815...915. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Third Reading. of April 13, 1993 House Bill 973, Representative Jack McGuire. Out the record. (House Bill) 1016, Representative Curran. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1016, a Bill for an Act amending the State Employees Group Insurance Act of 1971. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Representative Giolitto, on
"Third Reading. House Bill 147. Out of the record. House Bill 1108, Representative Ronen. Representative Black, for what reason do you arise, Sir?"
"Yeah. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just... Just to address the Chair if I might? On House Bill 915, I clearly asked for a recorded Roll Call on Floor Amendment 1. I... I know it's noisy in here and perhaps you didn't hear it, but...if we'd be a little more careful on requests for a roll call, I'd appreciate that."
"Representative Black, the Chair apologies I did Black: not hear you request that." "Thank you. Thank you."
Out Speaker Laurino: "House Bill 1201, Representative Barb Currie. Representative Currie? House Bill 1201. Out of the record. House Bill 1228, Representative Curran. Out of the record. House Bill 1392, Representative Mulligan. of the record. House Bill 1460, Representative Edley. Bill Edley. Out the record. House Bill 1539, Representative Kaszak. Out of the record. von (sic Bergen-Wessels). 1650, Representative Bill, Mr. Clerk." Clerk Rossi: of House Bill Read the to "House Bill 1650, a Bill for an Act in relation redistricting modification. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by 46 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Representative von Bergen-Wessels."
"Amendment 1, Representative von (sic-von Bergen-Wessels) Wessels." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment to this Bill, before it was just a shell Bill, this is the Lydia Thorpe Bill, which would move Lydia Thorpe from District 93 to District 94. That's what this Amendment says in giving back Lydia Thorpe her secret ballot, and I would urge passage of the Amendment."
"Further discussion? Representative Black."
"Yeah. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor of the Amendment yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"Thank you. Representative, let me just be real honest with 'ya. It makes me very nervous this early in the Legislative Session to see a Bill on the floor dealing with redistricting. Why can't this be taken care of by the proper election authorities back home in simply redrawing that precinct boundary line?" von Bergen-Wessels: "Sir, my understanding is that that is not possible. There have been attorneys from the Governor's office to the state's attorneys, the county clerks, all trying to figure a way out to solve this Lady's problem. My understanding is that it has something to do with the precinct boundary...being...overlapping a township boundary. All I... I'm going on the advice of a great many legal authorities who said this is the only way to get it done."
"Well, thank you very much, Representative. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let me just remind you that this Bill, if you pass it out now, can be be used for a great deal of mischief. Now, we saw this last year with 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 several Legislators trying to amend a very similar Bill SO that they would not have to move from their old to their new district. Now, I'm not implying nor insinuating that that is the Sponsor's intent, but it can be used for that. This Amendment should be defeated. The Bill should be held until later in May when that window of opportunity to move or not move is expired, and if this, at that time, if this Bill is still that important, we can address it after a date certain in May. Until that date is here, I would urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to vote 'no' on the Amendment. This Amendment and Bill can be used for mischief that neither side wants to see done at this point in time. I urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment and ask for a Roll Call."
"Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just affirm the request made by Representative Black that we have a recorded Roll Call Vote on this Amendment. Thank you."
"The Lady asks for adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1650; and, on that, the Clerk will take a roll call. Representative von-Wessels, (sic-von Bergen-Wessels) do you wish to close on your Amendment? Proceed." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the mischief that occurred occurred when this map was drawn. The mischief occurred when Lydia Thorpe had her secret ballot taken away from her. That's when the mischief occurred. And it is up to us to give back that woman her secret ballot, and I urge passage of this Amendment."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1650. All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The board is open. Have all voted 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day who wish? Black: wish? Sir?" Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who Representative Black, for what reason do you arise, "Just...just to rise to defense on the Lady's outburst. If there was any mischief done, it was done when the Democrat-controlled Supreme Court approved the map."
"You're out of order, Sir. Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Amendment, having received 65 'aye' votes, 45 'nay' and 1 voting 'present' is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1460, Representative Edley. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1460, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."
"Representative Edley?"
"Just move it to Third Reading."
"A fiscal note has been requested, Sir."
"Fiscal note?"
"The Bill shall remain on Second Reading. There has been a fiscal note requested."
"Okay. All right."
"Representative Edley, for what reason do you rise, Sir? House Bill 1704, Representative Hicks. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1705. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1710. Read the Bill. Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1710, a Bill for an Act amending the State Police Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1745, Representative 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Rotello. Out of the record. April 13, 1993 (House Bill) 1750, Representative McAfee. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1750. The Bill has been read a second time, previously. No Committee Amendments. Amendments."
No Floor Speaker Laurino: "Third Reading. House Moseley. 1912, Representative Representative Moseley, House Bill 1912? Out of the record. House Bill 1913, Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1913, a Bill for an Act concerning performance review. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Hicks."
"Representative Hicks, Amendment 2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 2 simply corrects a mistake, a technical error that was in Amendment 1."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1913. Further discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? We don't have a copy of it here."
"The Amendment has not been distributed, and the Bill will remain on Second Reading."
"Thank you."
"House Bill 2004, Representative Dart. Tom Dart? Out of the record. House Bill 2296, Representative Prussing. Out of the record. House Bill 2383, Representative Curran. Out of the record. Read the... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 22...2383."
"House Bill 2383, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No 50 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We'll proceed to Environment and Energy, Second Reading. House Bill 187, Representative Moseley. Out of the record. House Bill 298, Representative Novak. Phil Novak, on House Bill 298. Out of the record. (House Bill) 299. Out of the record. (House Bill) 300. Out of the record. House Bill 332, Representative Rotello. Mike Rotello. The Gentleman on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 350, Representative McGuire? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 350, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 404, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 480, Novak. Out of the record. House Bill 497, Representative Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 639, Novak. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 639, a Bill for an Act amending the Solid Waste Planning and Recycling Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1290, Representative Deering. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1290, a Bill for an Act in relation to the...to the disposal of fly ash. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1315. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1450, Representative Dart. Representative Tom Dart. Representative Dart. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 1450."
"House Bill 1450, a Bill for an Act amending the 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Solid Waste Planning and Recycling Act. April 13, 1993 Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A state mandates note has been requested on the Bill."
"Third Reading. ...Excuse me, Representative Dart, there's a state mandates Act requested, so we'll have to hold that Bill on Second Reading. (House Bill) 1479, Representative Lang. Out of the record. House Bill 1838, Representative Kaszak. Representative Kaszak. House Bill 1838. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1838, a Bill for an Act in relation to the environment. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. (House Bill) 1896, Representative Giglio. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1965, Representative Deering. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1967. Not a very good year. Out of the record. (House Bill) 2183, Representative Moffitt. Out of the record. Health Care and Human Services, Second Reading. House Bill 152, Representative Giorgi. (House Bill) 152, Representative Giorgi. Out of the record. (House Bill) 236, Representative Granberg. Out of the record. Representative... McGuire, on House Bill 453. Jack, 453. Out of the record. (House Bill) 552, Representative Phelps. Out of the record. (House Bill) 661, Representative Lopez. Edgar Lopez. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 661, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Clerk. 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day House Bill 1102, Representative Schakowsky. the floor? Representative Jan Schakowsky. Mr. Clerk." April 13, 1993 Is the Lady on Read the Bill,
"House Bill 1102, a Bill for an Act to amend the Children and Family Services Act. The Bill's previously been read a second time. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Schakowsky."
"Jan Schakowsky, on Amendment 2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 2, which is a...an Amendment that was...offered...to us by the Department of Children and Family Services and agreed to by the Senate...the Republican Sponsor of this Bill. It is part of an agreed Committee Bill that came out of Health Care and Human Services."
"Representative Schakowsky, this Bill will remain on Second Reading because there has been a fiscal note...requested, as the Bill has been amended. So, the Bill will remain on Second. House Bill 1116, Representative Balanoff. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1116, a Bill for an Act in relation to occupational health clinics. Second Reading of the Bill. Bill's previously been read a second time. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. Fiscal note has been requested."
"Representative Balanoff, this Bill will remain on Second. A fiscal note has been requested. Clem, there's been a fiscal note requested on this Bill. It has been filed, Mr. Clerk?"
"Fiscal note has been filed."
"Fiscal note has been filed. The Bill has been satisfied as far as the fiscal note has been requested. 53 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Third Reading. The Chair will go back to House Bill 1102, Representative Schakowsky. Representative Schakowsky."
"Yes, Mr. Chairman, I am requesting (as I explained before) adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1102."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1102. Further discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Was there a fiscal note filed with respect to... Amendment 2?"
"The Lady is amending this Bill so that this Amendment will...resolve the situation, and the fiscal note will then, therefore, be mute. Let's have a little order...here, please."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Nothing further."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1102. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. The Bill will remain on Second until a fiscal note has been filed. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. (House Bill) 1147, Representative Phelps. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1271, Representative Lou Jones. Lou Jones? What do you want to do, Lou? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1271, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Currie, in the Chair."
"Continuing on Second Readings. House Bill 1397, Representative Jones. Representative Lou Jones. Do you want this Bill called? Clerk, read the Bill." 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
Speaker April 13, 1993 "House Bill 1397, a Bill for an Act to amend the Department of Public Health Act. Second Reading of the
Bill. No Committee Amendments. Currie: "Third Reading. Representative... Representative Black." Oh, I'm No Floor Amendments." House Bill 1459, sorry...sorry...sorry.
"Yeah. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I talked to Representative Jones. I believe 1397 was on the Consent Calendar, and we had taken it off, and I stand to correct that. We'll put that back on the Consent Calendar. I think that's her wishes, and we made a mistake on 1397 and 1398, and we'll put both of those back on the Consent Calendar."
"(House Bill) 1397 is now on Third Reading, and it is back on the Consent Calendar. Thank you. Representative Edley, on 1459. Out of the record. Representative Krause, on House Bill 1489. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1489, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee."
"Are there any Amendments?"
"No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We're going back to House Bill 1147, Representative Phelps. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1147, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administration (sic-Administrative) of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. state mandates note has been requested." "Has that...statement been filed?"
"No, it is not." A 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
Speaker Leitch: April 13, 1993
"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. Representative Leitch, for what reason do you rise?" "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to...on behalf of our conference, request a conference at noon for...lasting about 45 minutes."
"From noon conference in Room 118."
"Yes, thank you." Speaker Currie: to 12:45, the Republicans will "Democrats will, as usual, go to lunch."
"Okay. The House will stand at ease. The Republicans are caucusing, conferencing in Room 118 until 12:45. Democrats are going to lunch. Everybody be back here at 12:45 promptly. Enjoy your conference. Enjoy your lunch. The House now stands in recess. The House will come to order, and we will return to Second Readings on the Health Care and Human Services agenda. The last Bill was House Bill 1489, and the next Bill is House Bill 1657, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Out of the record. Representative Burke, on House Bill 1957. Out of the record. Representative Ronen, on House Bill 2048. Bill."
"House Bill 2048, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee."
"Is there further Amendments?"
"No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Ronen."
"Representative Ronen."
"Yes, thank you Madam Chair. This Amendment would just make specific the bodies that could license certified nurse midwives...through this Bill. Currently, the Bill says 'any 56 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 national organization'. We would replace that to say the 'American College of Nurse Midwifes Certification Council, American Nurses Credentialing Center, The National Certification Corporation of the Obstetric Gynecologic and Neonetal Nursing Specialities and the National Certification Board of Pediatric Nurse Practioners and Nurses and any other certifying organizations that the Department of Profession Regulation may approve. I urge for adoption of this Amendment."
"The Representative has offered Amendment 1 to House Bill 2048; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Were you referring to Amendment 2?"
"Sorry, Amendment 2."
"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"Can you explain what this Amendment does, Representative?"
"Yes, Representative. Currently, as written, the Bill just...and when discussing licensing, certifying bodies that the Department of Regulation may use, says...only 'any national organization'. What we are doing is just giving some specificity, giving three examples, but then also giving the flexibility for them to use any other certifying organization they wish."
"So that those that are specifically mentioned in the Amendment will be the only ones that can certify?"
"No, no, they would not be. Those... They could choose those or any other that they wished."
"Well, the...the Amendment deletes the words 'any' and 'national'." 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Yes, and then adds and...'and any other certifying organization that the Department of Professional Regulation may approve'. So we are maintaining that."
"Have they approved any to date, do you know?"
"I'm not aware..."
"Now, when they're certified, can you explain what that Ronen: means under the terms of this Amendment?" "Certified just means that they're...that they are certified as a nurse advanced practice nurse."
"And what qualifications would a nurse have to have, I mean, in order to engage in this type of activity?"
"Well they would... They're normally registered nurses who have an advanced degree...in this field. They're specialists and have advance training."
"Would the...the Amish who were down here last year to express some concern about this issue, how would they be affected by this issue?"
"They would not... We are not talking at all about lay midwives. We're talking about advanced practice nurses."
"And the advanced practice nurse, what qualifications would she have to have under the terms of this Bill, as amended, in order to engage in the activity of midwife?"
"...Would have to have an advanced degree in...as a nurse specialist and certified by one of the organizations that are mentioned in the Amendment or any other organization that the Department of Professional Regulation chooses."
"Are the requirements set out...in Amendment 1 to the Bill as to what exactly the degree...a person who would be certified would have to have?"
"Pardon me?"
"Are the requirements spelled out in Amendment 1, which I assume was adopted in committee?" 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"The...the first Amendment dealt with the specifics. This Amendment deals with those organizations that can certify that persons have those qualifications."
"Do all of these organizations that you mentioned in Amendment 2, do they all have the same process and the same standards for determining whether or not they're gonna certify or not certify?"
"They all call for high standards of certification, yes. Some are in different areas of specialty, but they all call for the same high standards."
"Thank you very much."
"Further discussion? If not, on the Motion to adopt Amendment 2 to House Bill 2048, all in favor of it signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House 2076, Representative Levin. Representative Levin. Out of the record. Representative, 2194. Representative Erwin. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2194, a Bill for an Act in relation to child care development council. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. Bill has previously been read a second time."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2290, Representative Phelps. Representative Phelps. Out of the record. Representative, 2332. Representative Ryder. Representative Ryder. Out of the record. Representative 20... Representative Mautino, on House Bill 2360. Representative Mautino. Clerk, read the Bill." 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
April 13, 1993 "House Bill 2360, a Bill for an Act to create Second Reading of the the Sex Offender Treatment Board. Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We'll move to the Order of Second Readings on Housing and Economic Development. The first Bill, House Bill 527, Representative Turner. Representative Turner. Out of the record. (House Bill) 528, out of the record. (House Bill) 539, Representative Pedersen. Anybody want... Out of the record. Representative Younge, on House Bill 637. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 637, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administration (sic-Administrative) Code of Illinois.
Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Speaker Currie: "There any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Any Motions?"
"No Motions filed."
"Third Reading. Representative Turner, House Bill 1060. Representative Turner. Out of the record. Representative Davis, on House Bill 1716. Representative Davis. Out of the record. Representative Pugh, on House Bill 1855. Representative Pugh. Out of the record. Representative Black, on House Bill 2061. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2061, a Bill for an Act to amend the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Black. Representative Black, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day 2061."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. puts this Bill in a permissive state. April 13, 1993 Floor Amendment 1 It says that the...appointing officer on a Housing Authority may..."
"Representative, excuse me, my understanding is that the Amendment is not yet printed, so we would ask for you to take the Bill out of the record."
"My goodness. All right."
"Thank you. Representative, we'll just back up one Bill to Representative Pugh on House Bill 1855. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1855, a Bill for an Act in relation to Housing. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment...Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Pugh."
"Representative Pugh, on Floor Amendment 1 to House Bill 1855."
"Madam Speaker, the...the Amendment is designed to provide a respite care center for homeless individuals. The problem that the Bill is designed to address is that when individuals who are homeless have been...in the hospital for car accident or frost bite or any other kind of illness or sickness, they don't have a place to recuperate once the wounds are...are mended in the hospital. So this Bill...will be designed to allow individuals to stay over for two, three, four days a week until their wounds are healed."
"Representative Pugh moves the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1855; and on that Motion, is there any discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will." 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Yes. Can you tell us what the cost of providing this pilot respite care program is?"
"The estimated cost is somewhere between $750,000 and $100,000. The dollars have been... The large portion of the dollars have been allocated for, or committed, by the Lutheran Church, through the Interfaith...Council for the Homeless, and the Illinois Department of Housing Development Authority has a program in place that allows up to $500,000 for a program of this proportion, and we've been in dialogue with the Department of Housing Development Authority, and they've agreed to...to allocate the dollars."
"So, that they have a provision for it in their budget is what you're saying?"
"Yes Sir."
"Okay. Thank you very much."
"Further discussion? If not, all in favor adopting Amendment 1 signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. We will move to the Order of Call, Professional Regulations, Second Reading. The first Bill, House Bill 208, Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. House Bill 210, Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo. Out of the record. (House Bill) 211, 212, out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, House Bill 213. Representative Jones. Out of the record. (House Bills) 14 and 15, out of the record. House Bill 412, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Representative McAfee, out of the record, on 450. (House Bill) 618, Steczo. Out of the record. Representative 62 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Davis, House Bill 706. Representative Davis. Out of the record. Representative Santiago, House Bill 715. Representative Santiago. Out of the record. Representative Deering, on House Bill 1554. Representative Deering. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on 1813. Out of the record. McAfee. Representative McAfee, 2353. Out of the record. Representative Roskam, House Bill 2237. Representative Roskam. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, on House Bill 2316. Representative Jones. Out of the record. Members of the House, we have gone through an entire Second Reading Order of Call on Professional Regulations, and not a single one of you was prepared to have your Bill called. The Chair would strongly recommend that we get our Amendments organized, and we begin to move the Bills that are before us. Public Utilities, Second Reading. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 479. Representative Woolard. Out of the record. Representative Schoenberg, officially excused. Out of the record, on 572. Representative Giorgi, on House Bill 1458. Representative Giorgi, are you ready? Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, on House Bill 1591. Representative Brunsvold. Is that 'yes', Representative Brunsvold? Yes. Clerk, read the Bill, 1591."
"House Bill 1591, a Bill for an Act to amend the Emergency Telephone Systems Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Brunsvold."
"Representative Brunsvold, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 1591." 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. April 13, 1993 ...Amendment 1 addresses some issues that were agreed on by a number of 911 providers in a meeting we held earlier this spring, and it contains some issues dealing with advertising, other numbers except 911. It deals with..."
"Representative, I'm sorry. I'm informed that the Amendment is not yet printed. So, we'd ask you to take the Bill out of the record."
"Oh, darn it."
"But thanks for being ready, Representative. Thanks a lot. Representative Wirsing, on House Bill 1771. Representative Wirsing. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1771, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Bill's previously been read a second time. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wirsing."
"Representative Wirsing."
"Yes. What this Amendment does is...it's kind of a housecleaning to the Bill, in changing some wording, basically moving the word from 'energy' to 'electric'."
"Representative Wirsing has moved adoption of Amendment 1, to House Bill 1771. On that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of the Motion indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. In the opinion of the Chair, the Amendment is adopted. Representative, it's our understanding...my understanding that a second Amendment has been filed today to that Bill. That Amendment is not yet printed. So, the Chair would request that you take the Bill out of the record, and we will come back to it when the Amendment is printed."
"No. No. Okay. I move the Bill for Third Reading."
"You can't move the Bill to Third Reading with an 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment pending, Representative. You can't automatically do so. There is an Amendment. There's an Amendment 2 that's been filed to this Bill. The Chair is reminding you that the Amendment is not yet printed. So, the Chair has asked the gracious Representative to give the Amendment an opportunity to be printed. Representative, I don't understand your distress. My understanding is that the Representative could move to table the Amendment that has not yet been printed. My... He's not made that Motion, Representative Black, nor have you. He did not. If he wishes to make that Motion, it is certainly within his power to do so. Representative Woolard, whose Amendment it is, may well object to the Motion. But, Representative Wirsing, is that the Motion that you wish to make?"
"I would move to table, yes."
"Representative Wirsing moves to table Amendment 2 to House Bill 1771; and, on that question, Representative Woolard, whose Amendment is at issue here. Representative Woolard? A time-out for Representative Woolard. Representative Black, do you wish to fill this lacuna in our discussion and speak now, since we're waiting for
Representative Woolard. Black: "A Motion to table..."
"Oh, I'm sorry. Representative Wirsing has now asked the Chair to take the Bill out of the record. The Chair will graciously comply with the gracious request."
"Madam Speaker."
"The next Bill... The next Bill is..."
"A Motion to table is not debatable."
"Representative, the issue's over. The... The Sponsor of the Bill has asked us to take the Bill out of the record. We have so done. The next Bill is 65 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Representative 8... Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 1844. Out of the record. Representative Davis, House Bill 1938. Out of the record. Representative Shirley Jones, on House Bill 2014. Representative Shirley Jones? Out of the record. Next Order of Call is Transportation, Second Readings. Representative Giorgi, on House Bill 127. Out of the record. Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise?"
"Well, as the only registered pharmacist on the House Floor, if there's any need for blood pressure medicine on either side of the aisle, I'd be glad to comply."
"You're very kind. We do appreciate that very much. Representative Hartke, on House Bill 457. Representative Hartke. Out of the record. How about 458, Representative Hartke? Out of the record. Representative Woolard, now back in his chair, on House Bill 460? Out of the record. Representative Hartke, giving you yet a third chance, House Bill 673? Ready to roll? Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, on House Bill 897. Representative Balanoff? Out of the record. Representative Gash, on House Bill 1075. House Bill 1075. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, House Bill 1077. Out of the record. Representative Hartke, two more chances. (House Bill) 1113. Going once, going twice. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1114. Out of the record. Representative Tom Johnson, on House Bill 2157. Representative Johnson. Tom Johnson. Out of the record. Representative Deuchler, House Bill 2308. Representative Deuchler. Out of the record. Representative Ryder, on House Bill 2375. Out of the record. That's another... Members, one more entire Second Reading activity without any takers. Revenue, Second Readings. Some Bills that were taken out of the 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 record this morning, a second chance. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 380. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 380, A Bill for an Act in relation to disclosure of foreign business interests. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Hoffman."
"Representative Hoffman, on Floor Amendment 1."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker (sic Madam Speaker), Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Amendment 1 would do something that I think is as...it is time in Illinois to do. It would require foreign int...or businesses that do business in Illinois that are controlled by a foreign entity...own property...foreign entities that own property in Illinois, to register with the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs and do various other activities, SO that we in Illinois can finally decide and decipher what is actually owned by foreign entities in Illinois in this state, what businesses are owned and do business...by foreign entities in the State of Illinois. I ask that Amendment 1 be adopted."
"Representative Hoffman has moved adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 380; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, I assume that... I missed somewhere your discussion. Who administers this Amendment?"
"The...the director of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs would administer the Amendment. I assume... I guess the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs would actually be the entity, but the director who 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 has responsibility over department would be the person."
"Has...has DCCA indicated any potential cost to reporting such information?"
"Sir, I haven't spoken with them, Representative, but they...they haven't objected to it. But I haven't spoken to 'em."
"Okay. I...I appreciate your patience. Thank you."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion? If not, all in favor of adopting Amendment 1 to House Bill 380 indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"Amendment 2, offered by Representative Hoffman."
"Representative Hoffman."
"I would like to table Amendment 2."
"The Gentleman asks leave to table Amendment 2. Does he have leave? Leave is granted. Are there further Amendments?"
"Amendment 3, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund on Amendment 3. Representative Dart, do you have a procedural question, before Representative Wennlund starts?"
"An inquiry of the Chair as to the germaneness of this Amendment."
"In response to Representative Dart: the Amendment is out of order because it deals with more than a simple subject matter. It is, also, not germane because it deals with subjects that do not have to do with the underlying Bill. Are there further Amendments?" 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Amendment 4, offered by Representative Hoffman."
"Representative Hoffman, on Amendment 4."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment clarifies...the Bill and would indicate, as per we...what we indicated in committee, that this Amendment would make clear that we are not violating individual's confidentiality, and the second change in the Amendment is to add that the Bill applies to both personal property placement tax and the income tax. Therefore, I believe that this was added after the Department of Revenue revealed that foreign corporations do not pay income taxes but rather pay through the replacement tax. This is to clarify the...the original piece of legislation."
"Representative Hoffman has moved adoption of Amendment 4 to House Bill 380; and, on that Motion is there any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of adopting the Amend... I'm sorry, Representative Kubik."
"Would the Gentlemen yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"I'm sorry, Representative Hoffman. I didn't hear the full explanation of your Amendment. Could you...repeat what you've said? I didn't hear the full explanation of your Amendment."
"Okay. In...in committee, in the Revenue Committee, we discussed some problems with the Bill, regarding...possibilities that this would violate individual's rights of confidentiality. What we have done is we have clarified that the Bill does not deal with individual business tax information but with businesses as a whole. Therefore, wouldn't it... The Bill, itself, (as far as what was heard in committee) would not be dealing 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 with the individual businesses but businesses...or individuals but businesses as a whole. And the second change would make the Bill apply to both the personal property replacement tax and the income tax. This was added after the Department of Revenue revealed that foreign corporations do not pay income taxes but rather pay through the replacement tax."
"...You indicated...However, they would still have to, under your Bill, even though we would...the reports would be a... You're saying the reports would be in whole rather than individual incorporations. Is that what you're telling me?"
"Well, yes. Essentially yes. What this change would do, is it would...it...it would indicate that... It clarifies the Bills, that it does not deal with the individual business tax information...which was a problem...which was the Department of Revenue said they have a problem with. We are trying now to say will you do it as businesses as a whole, foreign businesses as a whole, as opposed to the individual business tax information."
"How would the information be garnered? How would the information be garnered?"
"It would be...it would come from the individual...the individual tax forms that were...are filed with the state, but then the reporting procedure and what is made public, that is what that this...what this addresses. It doesn't address how the...has the information is gathered. This Amendment simply addresses the fact that what is reported and what is revealed to the public and concerns about confidentiality."
"Well, I guess what I'm asking is that...you're still, under this....as this Bill is amended, you're still...you'd 70 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 have to request information from foreign corporations. So, what would that require? Would that require a...a question on the form?"
"...Just an indication on the tax form that they are a foreign business."
"That they are a foreign business."
"Right. That's in the Bill and not this Amendment. This Amendment, I think Representative, I don't know if you're for the Bill or against the Bill, but the Amendment would probably make the Bill more palatable to the Department of Revenue."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Is there further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of adopting Amendment 4 to House Bill 380 signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman, you also have House Bill 930, on the same call. Are you ready to go with that, and Second Reading too? Out of the... Let's try Constitutional Officers, Second Reading. Representative Homer, on House Bill 314. Representative Homer. Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, House Bill 318. Representative Balanoff, are you ready? The question is, 'Is the Amendment printed and distributed?' Can we answer that question? An Amendment by Balanoff on House Bill 318? (Amendments) 1 and 2 have been printed and distributed, Representative. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 318, a Bill for an Act in relation to Elvis Presley license plates. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Amendment 1... Floor 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment 1 is offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment 1 adds an additional category for the firefighters of the State of Illinois. It creates a special plate for all firefighters who have achieved the designation as 'Firefighter Two', which means that they had to undergo so many hours of training and lifesaving activities in saving Illinois lives and Illinois property. I think it's only fitting that we can provide the firefighters of Illinois, and particularly those downstate firefighters, who will...many of which are volunteers, who risk their life and their own personal safety to save Illinois lives and the state property in Illinois. I think it's only fitting that we should honor all firefighters in Illinois and the job that they do, the lifesaving job that they perform every day, with their own category of special license plates. Now, the Illinois Association of Firefighters strongly supports this legislation. All the volunteers throughout the state of Illinois support it, and I think that we can pay them the respect and the honor they deserve, after having gone that extra mile and achieved the level of 'Firefighter Two', to authorize a special plate. Now, the Amendment provides that there's an additional fee of $15 and an additional renewal fee of $2, and the cost of the program will be virtually paid for. So, we're not talking about any extra dollars. There are currently 28,000 firefighters in Illinois who have achieved the level of 'Firefighter Two'. This will pay them the honor and respect they deserve, and it will not have a cost impact on the Secretary of State's office. In fact, it will make money if at least half of 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 those get those firefighters plates the first year. It will... The program will pay for itself, and it will give the honor and respect that firefighters in Illinois deserve, and, Madam Speaker, I ask for your support of the Amendment, and I want a Roll Call vote on the Amendment, please."
"Representative Wennlund has moved for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 318; and, on that Motion, Representative Granberg."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Wennlund, you said there would be no cost for this program. Has the Secretary of State's office indicated that this would be no cost? What is their position on the Bill?"
"Yes, I had a fiscal note, which I can't locate. Wait a minute. Yes, I do have it. Hang on. I had a fiscal note, in fact, with the additional $15...tagged on to it and 28,000 firefighters who have achieved the level of 'Firefighter Two' being eligible. In fact, it will more than pay the cost of the printing the plates, which was, I think, $47,000."
"But the...the Secretary of State's Office has indicated they support this Amendment?"
"They're neutral."
"And... But, they have stated to you that this will not cost them any additional dollars?"
"Correct."
"...Because..."
"They generated the numbers."
"Okay."
"It was a moneymaker." 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Okay. April 13, 1993 Fifteen dollars a plate is sufficient to cover their costs? $15 a plate is sufficient to cover their costs?"
"Additional. On top of the $48."
"Okay. All right. Thank you."
"On this Amendment, is there any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Balanoff."
"Representative Balanoff, on Amendment 2."
"Yes, ... Floor Amendment 2 is... The Secretary of State came to me asking for a fund to, a special fund within the Secretary of State's office, for administration of the... Elvis license plates, should we be successful. So it's, basically, a technical Amendment so that the program will more than pay for itself."
"Representative Balanoff has moved the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 318. On that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, does Amendment 2...delete Amendment 1?"
"I... If it does, I'm not aware of it. I will hold it on Second, if Larry wants to put on his... You know...if it does do that, then we can hold it on Second and just go along, you know, to put on Amendment 1, also."
"Okay. All right."
"I don't have any objection to that." 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you."
"Sure."
April 13, 1993 "Is there further discussion? If not, all favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"There is, I believe, a fiscal note request, SO the Bill will remain Representative... LeFlore, handling this Bill for on Second Reading. on House Bill 363. Who is Representative...? Out of the record. Representative Phelan, on House Bill 537. Representative Phelan. Out of the record. Representative McAfee, House Bill 2227. the record. Financial Representative McAfee. Out of Institutions, Second Reading. Representative Sheehy, on House Bill 902. Representative Sheehy. Out of the record. Representative Deuchler, House Bill 1410. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1410, a Bill for an Act concerning the use and display of names by financial fiduciary organizations. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill1 1718, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1718, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Bill's been read a second time, previously. No Committee Amendments. offered by Representative Black. Floor Amendment 1,
"Representative Black, on Amendment 1 to House Black: Bill 1718." "Yeah. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, an inquiry of 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 the Chair. Yesterday this was withdrawn because it hadn't been printed and distributed. ...Has it been printed and distributed at this time?"
"I believe so. Yes. Carry on."
"All right. Very briefly then, I'll just revise and extend the remarks I made yesterday. It simply amends the State Moneys Act and Deposit of State Moneys Act to provide that...we shall not deposit public funds in an out-of-state bank to promote a state program unless that bank has its main office or its main branch located in the State of Illinois. I think that's good public policy, and it does address something that has just happened to some banks in my district, and they wanted me to adopt this Amendment. I think it's very reasonable. I don't think anybody could possibly oppose it. I'd ask for your favorable consideration."
"Representative Black moves to adopt on Amendment 1 to House Bill 1718. On that Motion, is there any discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Capparelli, 2038. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2038, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Capparelli."
"Representative Capparelli."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. ...The Amendment corrects a drafting problem to House Amendment 1. It adds the word 76 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 'such', which was omitted in the Legislative Reference Bureau. I ask for adoption of Amendment."
"Representative Capparelli moves to adopt on Amendment 2 to House Bill 2038. On that Motion, is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Dart, on House Bill 2079. Representative Dart. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2079, a Bill for an Act to amend the Currency Exchange Act. Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee."
"Further Amendments?"
"No...no Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 208... Representative Hoffman? Out of the record. That was pretty good...pretty good guys, four Bills moved on Financial Institutions, Second Reading. Let's try Consumer Protection, Second Readings. Representative Schakowsky, House Bill 793. Representative Schakowsky. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, House Bill 1079. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1079, a Bill for an Act to amend the Security Deposit Interest Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Schakowsky. Out of the record on 1355, 85 (sic - 1385), 1504, 1505. Representative Turner, on House Bill 1645. Representative 77 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Turner. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 16...sorry...1768. Out of the record. Representative Novak. Ready to go on House Bill 1809? Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1809, a Bill for an Act relating to disclosure by the seller of residential real property. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. We'll move now to Agriculture and Conservation, Second Readings. House Bill 581, Schoenberg. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on House Bill 602. Oh, excuse me a moment. Representative Black, for what reason do you have your light on?"
"Yeah. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair on a Bill that was moved...to Third Reading...a minute or two ago. It was House Bill 2079. ...One of our Members had requested a fiscal note on that Bill, and I did not hear the Clerk indicate whether or not the fiscal note has been received."
"May we hear from the Clerk on that question?"
"Fiscal note has not been filed."
"Thank you, Representative Black. We will then move....move 2079. House Bill 2079, Representative Dart, will stay on the Order of Second Reading while we await the filing of the fiscal note. Representative Hartke, on House Bill 762. (House Bill) 762. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, on House Bill 1074. Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, on House Bill 1990. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1990, a Bill for an Act in relation to aquatic life and wildlife. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"...the Sponsor's request, we will, having read the Bill a second time, hold the Bill on Second Reading. Insurance, Second Readings. House Bill 1067, Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. Representative Ryder, on House Bill 1423. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1423, a Bill for an Act concerning the liquidation and rehabilitation of insurers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Ryder."
"Representative Ryder, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 1423, Representative Ryder, are you in the neighborhood? Representative Wennlund, you don't look like Representative Ryder. Representative Wennlund, pretending to be Representative Ryder, on the Amendment."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. ...Floor Amendment 1 to House Bill 1423 contains the language that's necessary to make this a...an agreed Bill that includes: clarification for the priority payment of claims in a...in a conservation, rehabilitation or liquidation proceeding...and a clarification of an acceptable claim under these proceedings and establishes procedures for the estimation of certain claims and the process for objecting to claim payments for less than requested amount. This was the agreed language...that would make the Bill agreeable."
"Thank you, Representative...Wennlund. Representative Ryder, I think he did a pretty good job. You sure you wanna...get into this discussion?"
"No. I just wanted to thank him for doing that and to indicate that I'm keeping my commitment to the committee."
"Thank you, Representative. Representative (sic- Representatives) Ryder and Wennlund have moved adoption of 79 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Amendment 1 to House Bill 1423; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of the Amendment... Oh, wait a minute. Any discussion? would put a light on. Representative Dart."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will." Dart: Someone "...Representative Ryder, is this the Amendment that we had discussed in committee?"
"Yes."
"And this is answering those concerns that we had?"
"Yes, it is. It was drafted by the department after addressing...excuse me, after talking to the folks who had concerns in committee, and my understanding is that it...that it addresses all of the concerns that were made in committee that we committed to address."
"Is there further discussion? favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. adopted. Further Amendments?" If not, all in 'no'. In the
The Amendment is Clerk McLennand: "No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Ryder, charmed with that success, are you ready to go with 1424 as well?"
"I try always to be charming."
"Clerk, read the Bill."
"So, I'll...toss the dice on this one."
"Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1424, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of purveyors of indemnity contracts. Second Reading of the Bill. Floor Amendment... No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Ryder."
"Representative Ryder." 80 40th Legislative Day Ryder: STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 "Stay with me on this one; it gets a little complicated. I'd like to withdraw one and go with two. ...Can we do that?"
"Representative Ryder asks leave to withdraw Amendment 1. Leave is granted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Ryder."
"Representative Ryder." "I am joined in this...Amendment by Representative Laurino, who had raised some questions in committee. This language satisfies the questions that Representative Laurino indicated. He has kindly...offered to join as a Co-Sponsor of the Amendment, and I'd be glad to answer any questions anyone might have."
"Representatives Ryder and Laurino move adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1424. On that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1565. Is anyone prepared to handle the Bill? Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on House Bill 1829. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. Representative Daniels, on House Bill 2260. Out of the record. Representative Granberg, House Bill 2353. Representative Granberg. Out of the record. Veterans, Second Reading. House Bill 800, Representative Martinez. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 800, a Bill for an Act to amend the Department of Veterans Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day filed. Martinez." Floor Amendment 2, April 13, 1993 offered by Representative
"Representative Martinez."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. ...Amendment 1 to House Bill 800 makes the establishment of veterans advisory councils in municipalities with a population of 50,000 or more permissive rather than mandatory. It's just a simple change of language."
"Representative Martinez moves adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 800; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of Civil Justice, Second Readings. House Bill 71, Representative Dart. Representative Dart. Representative Dart. Dart. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 71, a Bill for an Act to create the offensive vehicular endangerment. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Lang, House Bill 92. Out of the record. (House Bill) 97. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 97, a Bill for an Act relating to corporal punishment. Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Lang."
"Representative Lang, on Amendment 2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment 2 simply adds a...an 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 immediate effective date. Move adoption of the Amendment."
"Representative Lang moves adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 97. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments, and a state mandates note has been requested."
"That's right. Clerk, did you say has been filed?"
"It has not been filed."
"Representative Lang, the State Mandates Act fiscal note has not been filed."
"Is that that... Request was withdrawn. Was that Mr. Black's request?"
"Just a moment. Perhaps, the Clerk can tell us who made the request."
"The request is from Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund. Representative Wennlund, do you wish to withdraw that request? Representative Wennlund... Wennlund wishes to withdraw..."
"Thank you very much."
"...the request, and the Bill will move to Third Reading, SO House Bill 97 on Third Reading. House Bill 141. Out of the record. House Bill 161. Out of the record. House Bill 224, Representative Pugh. Representative Pugh. Out of the record. Representative 2...Dart's 252. Out of the record. Representative Homer. Representative Homer, on House Bill 365. Representative Homer. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 381. Representative Hoffman. Representative Jay Hoffman. House Bill 381. Clerk, read the Bill." 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
April 13, 1993 "House Bill 381, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman, on 382. Representative Hoffman. (House Bill) 382. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 382, a Bill for an Act in relation to public works projects. Second..."
"I'm sorry. He changed his mind. Out of the record. House Bill 513, Representative Pugh. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, House Bill 659. Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Representative Giorgi, on House Bill 672. Representative Giorgi? Out of the record. Representative Dunn, House Bill 700. Representative Dunn. Out of the record. (House Bill) 724. Out of the record. (House Bill) 743. Out of the record. Representative Turner, on House Bill 843. Out of the record. Representative Homer, House Bill 935. Representative Homer. Out of the record. Lang, House Bill 936. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 936, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Homer, House Bill 1025. Representative Homer. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on House Bill 1026. Out of the record. Representative Currie, on 1158. Out of the record. Representative Homer, House Bill 1235. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, House Bill 1236. Out of the record. Representative Dart, House Bill 1255. Representative Dart. Out of the record. Representative 84 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Hoffman, on House Bill 1256. April 13, 1993 Representative Hoffman? House Bill 1256. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1256, a Bill for an Act to permit drug testing as a condition of probation, conditional discharge or supervision. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"No Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1257, Representative Lang. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1257, a Bill for an Act to amend the Franchise Disclosure Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Laurino, in the Chair."
"House Bill 1277, Representative Santiago. If you're here Miguel, stand up. Out of the record. Get back to...House Bill 1158, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1158, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Currie."
"Representative Currie, on Amendment 2 to House Bill 1158."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House, the underlying Bill This is an opportunity to provide appropriate attorney's fees when...constitutional rights are at stake. The effect of Amendment 2 is, substantially, to delimit the scope of the Bill, and...I would urge adoption of the Amendment." 85 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Further discussion? Representative Wennlund?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"...In what instances would...would the award of attorney's fees be applicable, Representative Currie?"
"The...the Bill, as introduced, would have included virtually any constitutionally-protected right, which could have meant...very...everyday...issues like zoning ordinances and...and to what-have-you. This Amendment would, essentially, limit the provisions of the Bill to the Bill of Rights protections in the Illinois Constitution."
"And what is it..."
"Pardon me?"
"...The Amendment excludes Sections 1521 and 22 of Article III?"
"Yes, but Section 15 has to do with eminent domain, and...we are not asking that eminent domain actions brought as class actions should result in the necessary award when they are successful of attorney's fees. ...Section 21 deals with the quartering of soldiers. We haven't been into the quartering of soldiers of late, so we thought maybe we didn't need to include that...item either."
"And what was 22?"
"Twenty-two was the right to bear arms; again, a militial right, which has not been much invoked in...recent history. Article III, which would be included, would deal with voting rights."
"Okay Thank you very much."
"Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1158. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 86 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Chair moves to...go back to House Bill 659, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 659, a Bill for an Act in relation to environmental protection. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1298, Representative Hoffman. Jay Hoffman. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, on House Bill 1331. Terry, 1331? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1331, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1362, Representative Sheehy. (House Bill) 1362, Sheehy. Out of the record. House Bill 1386, Representative Pankau. Out of the record. House Bill 1391, Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 1398, Representative Lou Jones. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1398, a Bill for an Act to amend the Vital Records Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Lou Jones."
"Representative Jones." Jones, L.: "I would like to withdraw Amendment 1."
"Withdraw Amendment 1 to House Bill 1398. Lady requests that this Bill be put back on the Consent Calendar. ... She has leave of the House. Does she have leave? Representative Wennlund? Lady requests that this be put back on the Consent Calendar. She has withdrawn 87 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment 1. Leave of the House, the Bill will be put back on the Consent Calendar. Representative Dart."
"Point of inquiry. Is Amendment 1 pending or has that been withdrawn?"
"Amendment 1 was withdrawn."
"Thank you."
"Mr. Clerk, you read the Bill a second time? Third Reading on the Consent Calendar. Representative Currie, in the Chair."
"Representative Hicks, on House Bill 1426. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. Representative McAfee, House Bill 1466. Representative McAfee. Out of the record. Representative Blagojevich, on House Bill 1468. Representative Blagojevich. Out of the record. Representative Lang, House Bill 1575. Representative Lang. Out of the record. Representative Cross, House Bill 1592. Out of the record. Representative Dart, House Bill 1631. Out of the record. Representative Homer, House Bill 1660. Representative Homer. Out of the record. A whole list of Homer Bills. Out of the record. Out of the record. Out of the record. Representative Lang, House Bill 1676. Representative Lang. Out of the record. Representative Levin, House Bill 1677. Representative Levin. Out of the record. Representative Homer, one more chance, House Bill 1691? Out of the record. Representative Dart, House Bill 1723. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1786. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1786, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Kaszak, House 88 40th Legislative Day Bill 1794.
STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk, read the Bill." April 13, 1993 "House Bill 1794, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Kaszak."
"Representative Kaszak."
"Thank you, Speaker. This Amendment is a technical Amendment that clarifies that the service of the debtor must follow the...the provisions of the...of the court rules."
Amendment "Representative 2 to Kaszak moves adoption of House Bill 1794; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of the Amen...adoption of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Kubik, are you ready on House Bill 1804? Representative Kubik. House Bill 1804. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1804, a Bill for an Act in relation to criminal law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Erwin, House Bill 1825. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1825, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Domestic Violence Act of 1986. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Lang, House Bill 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 1905. Representative Lang. Out of the record. (House Bill) 196 (sic 1906), Representative Lang. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1906, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Mulligan, on House Bill 1917. Representative Mulligan. Out of the record. Representative von Bergen-Wessels, on House Bill 1940. Out of the record. Representative Rotello, House Bill 1951. Representative Rotello. Out of the record. Representative Lopez, House Bill 1974. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1974, a Bill for an Act to amend the Medical Practice Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Cross, House Bill 2010. Representative Cross. Out of the record. Representative Bugielski, House Bill 2013. Representative Bugielski. Out of the record. Representative Gash, House Bill 2102. Out of the record. Representative Levin, House Bill 2108. Out of the record. Representative... Bugielski is here and ready to go. Back to House Bill 2013. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2013, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in committee."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Lang, House Bill 2111. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, House Bill 2112. Representative Lou Jones. Out of the record. 90 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Representative Frias, on House Bill 2152. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2152, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Lang, on House Bill 2160. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2160, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Third Reading. Representative Dart, on House Bill 2171. Representative Dart? (House Bill) 2171, Representative? Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 2182. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2182, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Lopez. Rep... Representative Lopez, on House Bill 2191. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 2386. (House Bill) 2386, Representative. Out of the record. Representative Gash, 2399? Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2399, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Gash."
"Representative Gash."
"This Amendment gives the Bill an immediate effective date and nothing else." 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Representative Gash moves adoption of Amendment 1 on House Bill 2399; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, all in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Laurino, on House Bill 2420. Representative Laurino. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2420, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment... Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Dart."
"Representative Dart, on Amendment 2 to House Bill 2420."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment 2 makes a...technical change to clarify the amounts of...times that an individual has to of been observed...using a controlled substance. It was recommended in committee, and I'd ask for its adoption."
"Representative Dart moves adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 2420; and, on that, Representative Biggert."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. ...Will the Sponsor to the Amendment yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"...This is just for clarification. Is this a normal procedure to have 'repeated use' being one or more time? Is that the usual standard in...in...?"
"Yes, it is. And then we're tryin' to clarify that."
"All right. Thank you." 92 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Further discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? We don't have a copy of it."
"Thank you. We'll...we'll consult with our technicians. It...it has been...printed and distributed, Representative."
"We don't have a copy of it."
"Maybe you'd like to borrow from our side of the aisle. Apparently, it's been distributed over...over this way, and we're always happy to share. Do you want a moment to consult the Amendment, Representative?"
"...The board shows Amendment 2. I was just handed...Amendment 1. What was...what was the disposition with respect to Amendment 1?"
"I believe that was adopted in committee. We are now on Floor Amendment 2, Representative Dart's Amendment. Our records indicate that the Amendment has been printed and distributed."
"Number one is a Floor Amendment, Madam Speaker."
"The Clerk indicated that that was a Committee Amendment."
"Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. The Amendment filed on the 12th is a Floor Amendment and should be titled: Amendment 2."
"Do you want to consult with Representative Dart? I believe he has a copy of his Amendment."
"Perhaps...perhaps..."
"We could use the LRB number, if you like."
"...The copy I have here labeled 'Floor Amendment l' is in, reality, Amendment 2? Is that mislabeled?"
"That sounds possible. You wanna read the LRB 93 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 number? We can check that against what the Clerk has."
"Okay. I think that's the problem. I think...the copy of Floor Amendment 1 is, actually, Amendment 2."
"Okay, so are you happy now? Excellent."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion on Amendment 2 to House Bill 2420? Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2422, Representative Dart. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2422, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Dart."
"Representative Dart, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 2422."
"...This...Amendment adds an immediate effective date."
"Representative Dart moves adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 2422; and, on that, for discussion, Representative Biggert."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. ...Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"This is...just a question again. The only...effect of this Amendment is to have it...take effect upon becoming law, and we've seen several of those. Is there a reason for...this Bill to...to add that or...?"
"It just basic...basic, because it was...it was omitted...when we were drafting, and we wish to have it take effect immediately, and so we decided to clean up...to clean it up right now." 94 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"All right. Thank you."
"Representative Black. Further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of adopting the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Gash, on House Bill 2425. Out of the record. Representative Lang. Out of the record. On 2428, on 2433; all of them, out of the record. Let us go back on the same order of call to Representative Bugielski's House Bill 513. Representative Bugielski. Bugsy. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 513, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections."
"I'm sorry, I have the wrong Sponsor. Representative Pugh. Okay."
"Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. Fiscal note was filed today."
"Third Reading. On the Order of Business and Job Development, Second Readings. Representative Lang, House Bill 7. Out of the record. Representative Rotello, House Bill 1320. Representative Rotello, are you ready to proceed? Representative Rotello? Out of the record. Representative Steczo, House Bill 1939. Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Representative Saviano, on House Bill 2036. Representative Saviano. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, House Bill 2074. Representative Hicks. Out of the record. Representative Frias, House Bill 2193. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, House Bill 2374. Representative Churchill. Out 95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day of the record. April 13, 1993 Well, that whole order saw no movement. Let's go to the Order of State and Local Government, Second Readings. Representative Schoenberg, 822. Out of the record. Representative Phelps, House Bill 1055. Representative Phelps. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1055, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Comptroller Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 1055."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. ...The Amendment... Floor Amendment 1 seeks to bring about some accredability and a credibility to the practices...of investing in taxpayers' funds in Illinois and provides that the...auditor general, with a deputy auditor, should perform an annual program audit of all the programs conducted...by the treasurer's office and perform an annual audit of the investment performance...of the investments that are made by that office. It's some...a form of accountability that the...auditor ought to do for the citizens of Illinois so we make sure that the funds of taxpayers in Illinois are properly invested. Move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"All right, Representative. Just a moment, Representative Wennlund. Representative Dart, for what reason do you rise?"
"Inquiry of the Chair, as to germaneness of this Amendment."
"The Gentleman questions the germaneness of the Amendment. We'll get back to you in a moment, if you'll just wait, Representative Wennlund. Well, same problem, 96 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Representative Wennlund, and we are very grateful that somebody raised this question because this Amendment is certainly not germane, same problem you had earlier in the day. Here we are dealing with the State Comptroller Act, and you want to confuse things with references to the deputy auditor general. The Amendment is not germane. We will move on. Are there further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested."
"And that fiscal note has not yet been filed?"
"Has not been filed."
"The Bill will be held on Second Reading. Representative Ostenburg, House Bill 1325. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1325, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Community Development Finance Corporation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Ostenburg."
"Representative Ostenburg."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Amendment does two things: First of all, at the request of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, it...changes the language in the CDFC Act so that...it no longer says 'non-profit corporation' but in fact, opens it for private corporations that are not non-profit. Secondly, at the request of one of the Chicago area CDC's, it increases the language of membership to open at the local businesses, Chamber of Commerce and others who have a stake in the community."
"Representative Ostenburg has moved adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1325; and, on that question, 97 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Representative Younge." "Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Younge: yield?" April 13, 1993 .Will the Sponsor
"He indicates he will."
"Is it your intent to include for-profit corporations in the...in...in the community development finance corporation Bill?"
"Representative Ostenburg."
"The intent is to include more than simply not-for-profit corporations. According to the DCCA, ...there are a number of the community development groups that are organized as private but not non-profit, and so they would be included in the Act as a result."
"...Is it your intent to...include for-profit corporations? I...I'd like to speak to the Amendment."
"Representative Younge, to the Amendment."
"Thank you. I was the original Sponsor of this community development finance corporation...law that has been...signed into law, and it was never the intent of this Bill...to...for this corporation to make loans to for-profit corporations, only for not-for-profit corporations and cooperatives. The point is to help community development efforts and to help community development corporations, and I just don't (although I wasn't aware of the Amendment beforehand), I just don't think that it is appropriate to put not-for-profits and community development corporations in competition with for-profit corporations in reference to this particular subject matter; and, therefore, I think we should defeat this Amendment."
"Further discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank...thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor 98 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Can...can you tell me what the definition of a 'stakeholder' is that's referred to in...Amendment 2?"
"It would be...it's a term that refers to anyone who has an interest in a particular community, the well...economic well-being of that community."
"Is it...is it somewhere defined in the body of the Bill itself?"
"No. No, it's not."
"The term 'stakeholder'."
"No, it's not."
"Would it apply to... 'Stakeholder', I assume, would be for-profit corporation, for instance?"
"It would be any community group. This language was recommended by the authority, when it finally met, to be more inclusive, and I think their thought was that any particular group in the community that has an interest in the economic well-being and development of that community could be involved in the corporation."
"All right. Thank you very much. To the Amendment."
"Representative Wennlund, on the Amendment."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, to the Amendment. ...Representative Younge was correct in...in bringing in for-profit into...these types of economic development tools really probably is as the wrong type of idea. ...Should be limited to the not-for-profits, who are trying to ncourage...local development, and the Amendment should be defeated."
"Further discussion? Representative Black."
"Yeah. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I simply rise to support the 99 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 position...as advanced by Representative Younge. I don't think anyone, on either side of the aisle, has worked any harder than Representative Younge on community finance and community redevelopment projects; and, if she says (as she did) that it was never the intent to expand this to for-profit corporations, that sends off an alarm bell or it should. So, I certainly stand in support of...Representative Younge's position that this was never intended to be expanded to for-profit corporations. Would ask for a Roll Call Vote, Madam Speaker, and I'm joined by a sufficient number of my colleagues and urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment."
"Further discussion? Representative Ostenburg, to close."
"...Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this...this measure was proposed by the community Development Finance Authority, which is appointed by the Governor. The authority finally met after a year and, in the process of meeting for that first time, the Governor's appointees suggested this particular language. We're willing to withdraw this Amendment and discuss it with Representative Younge, at this point, but I would remind people on the other side of the aisle that this is an initiative that came from the Governor's appointees. Thank you."
"Representative Ostenburg asks leave to withdraw Amendment 2 to House Bill 1325. The Gentleman has leave. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Gash, on House Bill 1743. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1743, a Bill for an Act to amend the 100 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Treasurer as Custodian of Funds Act. Bill's been read a second time previously. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 1748. Representative Woolard. Out of the record. Representative Flinn, House Bill 2150. Representative Flinn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2150, a Bill for an Act concerning publication of administrative rules. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. Fiscal note has been filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2416, Representative Edley. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2416, a Bill for an Act in relation to dead issuance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Fiscal note has been filed. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund, on Floor Amendment 1."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm gettin' to know this Amendment pretty well by now. This...brings about some accountability to the people of Illinois for the safety of taxpayers money and how..."
"Excuse me, just a minute. Representative Edley, I hope you're going to question the germane...germaneness of this Amendment. Is that what you're seeking recognition for, Representative?"
"I don't think this is...germane to the...to the Bill."
"Your...request is a timely one. The Amendment is not germane for the same reasons the other identical Amendments have not been germane. Are there further Amendments?"
"No...no further Amendments." 101 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993
"Third Reading. Next order of call; Pensions, Second Reading. Representative Granberg, are you ready on House Bill 1299? How about... Out of the record. How 'bout 1848? Out of the record. Seniors, Second Reading. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 431. Representative Woolard. Out of the record. Representative Martinez, House Bill 587. Representative Martinez. Representative Martinez? Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 587, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administration (sic - Administrative) Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendment (sic - Amendments). No Floor Amendment (sic - Amendments). A fiscal note has been filed."
"Third Reading. Representative Flowers, House Bill 949. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 949, a Bill for an Act in relation to services..."
"Out...out of the record. House Bill 2008, Representative Granberg. Representative Granberg. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2008, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Act on the Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 2392. Out of the record. Let's trip back through a few of these orders we've already tried and see if we can't try a little harder this time. Let's go to Local Government, Second Readings. Representative Homer, on House Bill 105. Representative Homer. Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, on House Bill 165. Representative Balanoff. Out of the record. Representative Lang, House Bill 168. Out of the record. 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Representative Capparelli, House Bill 175. Representative Capparelli. Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, House Bill 343. Representative Brunsvold, House Bill 343. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 343, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Curran."
"Representative Curran, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 343. Representative Curran? All right, the Amendment's out of the record. Is the Bill out of the record? Everything out of the record. Okay. Representative Lang, House Bill 548. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 550. Also, out of the record. Representative Balanoff, you've got two opportunities here: House Bill 610, House Bill 611. House Bill 610. Is the Amendment to House Bill 610 printed and distributed, please? Representative, Amendment 1 is printed and distributed, but Amendment 2 is not; perhaps, you would take the Bill out of the record. How 'bout House Bill 611? Are you ready to go with that one? Out of the record. Representative Wojcik, House Bill 630. Representative Wojcik. Out of the record. I'm sorry...I'm sorry, not out of the record. I couldn't find you. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 630, a Bill for an Act to amend the Township Law of 1874. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Wojcik."
"Representative Wojcik, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 630."
"Yes, Madam Chairman and Members of the House, the 103 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment deletes a township power to expend federal funds under the State and Local Fiscal Assistance Act of 1972 for the construction of swimming pools and other recreational facilities. It, also, rectifies the Cemetery Act language passed last year. It, also, further clarifies language passed last year regarding participation in township caucuses. It, also, clarifies that the township supervisor appoints the township attorney with the advice and consent of the town board. It, also, provides that township's appropriating less than $200,000 annually (exclusive of road funds) have the option of utilizing an independent accountant. It authorizes the township board to charge reasonable fees for the use of township recreation facilities. It includes renovating and remodeling within provisions that authorize townships to issue bonds. It adds the word 'separately' to one section in the Illinois Highway Code that authorizes road districts located in counties without tax...districts. It deletes provisions authorizing a township board to fix an annual salary to be paid to the township clerk from fees collected by the clerk. In essence, Madam Chairman, what this Amendment does, it's a clean-up Bill. It covers all of the questions that have been...presented over the past year, and I ask for its passage."
"Representative Mo...Wojcik moves 'do adopt' on Amendment 1 to House Bill 630; and, on that Motion, is there any discussion? Representative Deering."
"Thank you, Mrs. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"...Representative Wojcik, are we taking some authority away from the local elected officials...on page 2 of the Amendment when you're deleting the...federal funds from 104 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 swimming pools and other recreational facilities? Are these people not elected, and do they not have a right..."
"That...that Representative, that federal revenue sharing is obsolete. It was the... It is no longer in effect."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Representative Granberg."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the...Representative yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"...Kay, ...the representative for the township officials was supposed to discuss this Bill with...Representative Steczo. Do you know if he had actually...had...had done that?"
"He had...spoken to me on the rail and he said he was trying to locate Representative Steczo, but he was in a meeting and that was this morning."
"Representative, would you mind if we took this out of the record, 'cause...just temporarily."
"That's fine."
"Thank you."
"Okay."
"Out of the record on House Bill 630. Representative Brunsvold seems ready now with House Bill 343. All lines of communication up and ready. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 343, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1. offered by Representative Curran."
"Representative Curran, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 343."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the 105 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 House, this Amendment, simply, deletes language requiring a mayor of a municipality to report to the corporate authorities the reasons for wanting to remove an appointed officer of the municipality appointed by the mayor. For example: The mayor has a...city attorney that's supposed to be working with him, if that city attorney turns against him, ...mayor may find himself in an untenable position. This Bill puts this...this... This Amendment puts this Bill in the situation where a mayor could have the...the people he appoints, he could...he could also decide to appoint somebody else to that position if that person was no longer doing a job satisfactory to the mayor."
"Representative Curran moves 'do adopt' on Amendment 1 to House Bill 343; and, on that Motion, are there...is there any discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's my understanding, and our file indicates that...this Bill was not supposed to be amended on the Floor...unless the Republican Members of the Cities and Villages Committee agreed to the Amendment? That was my understanding. I... Representative Brunsvold?"
"Representative Brunsvold, do you wish, as the Sponsor of the Bill, to respond to that question?"
"Representative, we've been working with Representative Balthis on the...on the language on this Bill, and...I think he's up and ready to speak on the issue."
"Representative Balthis, to answer Representative/ Wennlund's question, and also to say whatever else you have in mind. Representative Balthis."
"...Thank you, Madam Speaker. ...Yes, I am in agreement with the Bill and have worked with the Sponsor and the 106 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Sponsor of the Amendment and do concur...with the Amendment and the Bill."
"Thank you very much."
"Is there further discussion? If not, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 1 to House Bill 343 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?" STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Kubik, 1981. Representative Kubik, 1981. Kubik, 1981. Do you wish to have this Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1981, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Bill's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."
"Do you want it out of the record? Out of the record. Representative Black, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair."
"Proceed."
"We've been on Local Government, Second Reading; I think this is the third or the fourth time we've gone back to this call today, and...everytime we seem to skip over House Bill 1778, ...by Representative Stephens. Is there a reason that Bill gets skipped every time?"
"...Representative, ...I...I'll have to...check my...list here. It's not on my list. I'll have to check with the..."
"He's right there beside you. ...I mean he could...he could help check it."
"Well, we're working off this other list, here."
"I see."
"I'll have to check and see. It's not on mine."
"You'll get back to me on that?"
"I'll get back to you. Yes, I will."
"Thank you."
"Representative Dart, on House Bill 2003. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2003, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revised Cities and Villages Act of 1941. Second Reading of 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Erwin, on House Bill 2240. Is the Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, House Bill 343. Do you want this Bill heard? I'm sorry. It wasn't marked, Representative. Representative Frias, are you ready? On... Business and Job Development, House Bill 2193. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2193, a Bill for an Act in relation to increasing work mobility in Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. Fiscal note has been filed, and state debt impact note has been filed."
"Third Reading. Representative Granberg, on Pensions, page 14. House Bill 1299, Representative Granberg. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1299, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No...no Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Parke? House Bill... House Bill 1848, Representative Granberg. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1848, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On page 2...2 of the Calendar, under Education, Second Reading, appears House Bill 347. Representative Dunn. Representative Dunn in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Davis, on House Bill 593. Do you wanna call that Bill, Representative Dunn? 109 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 That was House Bill 347. Let's go back to 347, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 347, a Bill for an Act to amend the Board of Higher Education Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Motions...no Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Davis, on 5...593. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, 730? Out of the record. Representative Cowlishaw, 754. Out of the record. Representative Mautino, 757? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Turner. Art Turner, 895. Out of... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 895, a Bill for an Act relating to under representation of certain groups in post-secondary education. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Stroger, House Bill 957. Out of the record. Representative Churchill. Representative Churchill. Out of the record. All three? House Bill 18...1087. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1089. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1089, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 1165. Jay Hoffman? Out of the record. Representative McAfee, 1218. Out of the record. Representative Younge, Wyvetter Younge, House Bill 1307? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1307..."
"I believe we passed... Did we pass that Bill?" 110 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993
"Bill's been moved to Third."
"Third Reading. Representative Burke. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke? (House Bill) 1695? (House Bills) 1695 and 1696. You want these Bills heard? Out of the record. Representative Martinez, 1756. You want this Bill...? Out of the record. Out of the record. Representative Currie, 1919. Lady from Cook? Has the... Amendment been distributed? (House Bill) 1919. One and two's been distributed; three was filed today. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1999, Representative Burke. Out of the record. Representative Phelan, 2073? Out of the record. Representative Phelan, do you wish to hear 20...? Out of the record. Representative Levin, you have two Bills. Representative Levin? Out of the record. Representative Hawkins. Representative Hawkins, 2198. Leave it on Second? Okay. Representative Davis. Out of the record. Representative Phelan. Okay. Representative Phelan, on House Bill 2073. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2073, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Kubik, 2230. Representative Kubik? Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, 2274. (House Bill) 2274? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2274, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Brunsvold." 111 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I could just take a minute...of the House's time, I'd like to introduce, standing behind me, the president of the Illinois Association of Health, Physical Education and Recreation and Dance, Warren Toneman, who...whose rep on the Floor is Judy Biggert from Hinsdale and the 1994 president of the association, Joan Moran from...from Rock Falls, who is Penny von Bergen-Wessels' constituent, and they are here today...to promote the Legislative Fitness Day tomorrow. Now, most of you freshmen...the freshmen have not...the freshmen have not taken part in this but there'll be a number of tests tomorrow, and the fitness day will run from 7:30 to 1:30 tomorrow morning, and...sometime during that time if you could take about 30 minutes and go down to Room 114 where they will do blood pressures, do a cholesterol screening and a few other tests to assess your fitness as a Legislator. So, ...we'd like to see everyone down there. It's kinda of a fun thing to do. Most of us have been doing it now for years. It's being promoted and you gotta a slip and some apples on your desk. You'll see the sponsors of the fitness day, and...they'll be down there doing the tests tomorrow morning. ...Word that you need to do before the cholesterol screening is take a 12-hour fast, so sometime tonight (maybe about 8:00 or 9:00 when you get done with supper) you don't wanna eat anything until you have the cholesterol screening the next morning, so you should be careful of that, and we'd like to see everyone down there...to the legislative fitness day sponsored by the number of groups as well as the governor's council, Health and Physical Fitness in Sports, of which I am the chairman. So I'd like to see everyone down there to do the screening tomorrow morning. Thank you very much." 112 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Speaker April 13, 1993
"Thank you, Representative Brunsvold. In Elections in State Government, Second Reading, appears House Bill 73, Representative Giolitto. Out of the record. Representative Giolitto-LeFlore. Out of the record. Representative Younge, Wyvetter Younge, 641. Out of the record. Representative Curran, 832. Out of the record. Representative McGuire, 973. Representative McGuire in the chamber? (House Bill) 973. You wish to have this Bill called? Out of the record. Representative Ronen, 1108. Representative Ronen? (House Bill) 1108? You wish to have this Bill called? Out of the record. Representative Currie, 1201. Out of the record. How 'bout 1228? Representative Currie, you want 1228? Representative Curran. Oh, I'm sorry. Representative Curran. Out of the record. Mulligan. Representative Mulligan, 1392? You wish to call this Bill? Out of the record. Representative Edley, 1460? Representative Edley in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Kaszak, 1539. Representative Kaszak, you wish to call 1539? Out of the record. Representative Hicks, you have two Bills. Representative Hicks in the chamber? Two Bills: 1704 and 1705. Out of the record. Representative Rotello, 1745. You wish to call this Bill, Sir? Lobbyist Registration Act. Out of the record. Representative Moseley. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, you have House Bill 1913. Representative Hicks? Out of the record. Representative Dart, 2004. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2004, a Bill for an Act to amend the Home Rule of Note Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Prussing, 2296. Do you wish to call this Bill? Governmental Ethics Act. 113 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Out of the record. Energy and Environment. Moseley, on House Bill 187. April 13, 1993 Representative Representative (House Bill) 187, Energy and Environment. Out of the record. Representative Novak, you have three Bills, 298? Representative Novak in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Rotello, you have House Bill 332, Recycable Markets Development. You wish to call that Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. (House Bill) 332."
"House Bill 332, a Bill for an Act in relation to an Illinois Recycable Markets Development Advisory Council. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Black."
"Representative Black. Representative Wennlund, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Thank you. Floor Amendment 1 removes the state's liability for any loans or grants that the Illinois Development Finance Authority may make for recycled...recyclable market developments, so that the state doesn't end up on the hook for...as much as $17 million in liability for loans or grants that the...it may make for recycling markets development. That's all the Amendment does."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Granberg."
"Thank you...Mr. Speaker. Would the...Gentleman yield?"
"Indicates he will."
"...Representative,...I'm sorry, I didn't hear all of your explanation. This is Representative Black's Amendment you're handling, Larry?"
"Correct." 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you." April 13, 1993
"What it does is, under the original Bill, the state would end up with a possible liability of up to $17 million...out of the $20 million in loans that it could make at any one time in the event of default. Now these were loans to...make recycable markets development. This removes the liability of the state."
"It's my understanding that's the heart of the legislation though, isn't it, the guarantee provision? So, this would...essentially, take out the heart of the...legislation?"
"Well, ...what it... No, the original...the underlying Bill creates the Illinois Recycable Markets Development Act. All this does is remove the ultimate liability...on the state."
"The original Bill provided for the state guarantee, which created the incentive for the recycling. Your Amendment would take out that provision, which would take out the state guarantee, which would remove any incentive for the legislation. Is that correct?"
"Well, IDFA makes those decisions and, you know, the state has no say-so one way or another. I just think we ought to remove the ultimate bottom liability, if it's gonna do it, and the state has no control over the situation."
"Thank you, Representative. To the Amendment, to the Ladies and Gentlemen particularly on this side of the aisle, this is a hostile Amendment to Representative Rotello's Bill, and it would actually gut the legislation. It would take out the most substantial portion of the legislation, and I would urge the Ladies and Gentlemen on this side of the aisle to oppose the Amendment, and I would 115 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 ask for a roll call at the appropriate time."
"Representative Rotello, do you wish to close?"
"I... Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have to certainly agree with Representative Granberg that this Amendment would gut this Bill, and I ask that you oppose it."
"Further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 46 voting 'yes', 62 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment 2, offered by Representative Rotello."
"Representative Rotello on Amendment 2."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 2 would simply clarify that the bonds issued under the authority will not be tax-exempt, and it was a clarification with the Department of Revenue requested and that we've worked out an agreement with them. So, I would ask for your favorable vote on this Amendment."
"Any discussion on Amendment 2? Printed and distributed, the Clerk advises the Chair. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Steczo in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Novak. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, 497. Representative Hoffman in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Lang, 1479. Out of the record. Representative Deering, 116 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day 1965. Representative Deering. April 13, 1993 Representative Deering. Representative Deering, do you wish to have your Bills called? (House Bills) 1965 and 1967. Out of the record. Representative Moffitt. Representative Moffitt, on House Bill 2183. Out of the record. Health Care and Human Services. Representative Giorgi. Representative Giorgi. Out of the record. Representative... House Bill 152, Public Aid-Medicaid Kids. Not yet for the kids? House Bill 236, Representative Granberg. Representative Granberg. Out of the record. Second Reading, Health Care and Human Services. Representative Granberg, do you wish to call House Bill 236? Out of the record. Representative McGuire, 453. Representative McGuire? (House Bill) 453? Public Aid Medicaid Exam. Out of the record. Representative Phelps? How about Representative Phelps. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 552."
"House Bill 552, a Bill for an Act to amend the Alternative Health Care Delivery Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Phelps, you have another Bill, 1147. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1147. The Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments? The Amendment hasn't been printed and distributed, Representative Phelps. We'll take it out of the record. Sorry about that. Representative Edley, on 1459. Out of the record. Representative Wyvetter Younge. (House Bill) 1657. Family Research Development-East St. Louis. Out of the record. Representative Burke, 1957. Representative Burke. Representative Representative Burke's Bill, Mr. Clerk." Phelan. Read 117 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"House Bill 1957, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Acupuncture Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1, 2, and 3 were adopted in committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 4, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund, on Amendment 4."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment 4 merely provides that the Department of Professional Regulation, which has undergone severe budget cuts over the period of the last two years, would not be required to implement the Act until the sufficient funds are appropriated to the department for the implementation and administration and enforcement of the Act. Now, we've had six new Acts in last two years and severe budget cuts in the department over the last two years; they just physically cannot do it and don't have the personnel to implement and enforce new licensing legislation. See, there's...it does not provide for any up-front money so that the department can implement it, so we're talking about a fiscal impact on the Department of Professional Regulation that's going to affect all licensed professions, because they merely cannot just do it. And that's why this Amendment's a good Amendment...and should be adopted."
"Any discussion? Representative Granberg."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We rise in opposition to the Amendment. We dealt with this issue previously today. As the fees become available later on then a program can be enacted. But this 118 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 time, we ought to pass the legislation. At least, allow the Representative to present his legislation in the way he SO desires. So, I would urge the Members on this side of the aisle to oppose the Amendment."
"Further discussion? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes'... the 'nays' have it, and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments?"
"Third Reading. Representative Currie, on House Bill 2063. Out of the record. Representative Levin. Representative Levin in the chamber? Representative Phelps, 2290. Representative Phelps, the Gentleman from Saline. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. (House Bill) 2290."
"House Bill 2290, a Bill for an Act to amend the Alternative Health Care Delivery Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Ryder, 2332. Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Mautino, 2360. Representative Mautino in the chamber? Out... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. (House Bill) 2360. Representative Mautino, it's moved. They moved the Bill. It's on Third. Housing and Economic Development. Representative Turner. Art Turner. You have five Bills on this order. Do you wish to have any of these Bills called? House Bill 527? Representative murner, you...you have five Bills on this order: 527, 528, 1060, and 1156. You want to roll 'em? Read House Bill 527, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 527, a Bill for an Act to amend the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. How about House Bill 528? Zoning Decision. (House Bill) 528. Out of the record. Representative Pedersen, 539. Out of the record. House Bill 1060, Representative Turner, Housing-Lead AIDS. Out of the record. How about 1156? County Real Estate Transfer Tax. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. (House Bill) 1156."
"House Bill 1156. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Turner, there has been a Amendment filed for...fiscal...housing...affordability note. So, the Bill will remain on Second Reading. Put the Bill back on Second Reading, Mr. Clerk. On Housing and Economic Development. Representative Turner, are you seeking recognition? Representative Turner."
"Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was just trying to ascertain where do I go to find this housing afford...to get an answer to the housing affordability impact note? Should I see the chair of the committee?"
"It might be the Illinois Housing Authority, Representative... Turner. If you beg the indulgence of the Chair, we will...find out immediately, if we can."
"All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman."
"Turner. the people that you have to go to is the Illinois Housing Development Authority. That's it. You're welcome. On Housing and Economic Development. Representative Davis. Out of the record. Representative Pugh, 1860...1855. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of 120 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 the record. Representative Pugh, you want this called, 1855? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Pugh, the Clerk informs the Chair that there's been a...fiscal note filed by the Illinois Housing Development Authority. We'll hold on. Mr. Clerk, read 1855."
"House Bill 1855, a Bill for an Act in relation to housing. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Pugh. Amendment 1 has been adopted previously."
"Are there any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk."
"No further Amendments."
"Has there been a fiscal note requested? Third Reading. Representative Black, 2061, housing authority commissioners. You wish to have this Bill called? The Amendment's been distributed, Mr. Clerk? Representative Black, it hasn't been distributed. Moving right along under Professional Regulations. Representative Hicks, 208, interstate license technicality. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 208, a Bill for an Act to amend the Real Estate License Act of 1983. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Steczo, you have three Bills. Out of the record. Out of the record. Out...out of the record. All three, 212, out of the record. Representative Lou Jones. Representative Lou Jones in the chamber? The Lady from Cook. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, you have 412. House Bill 412. Out of the record. Denresentative McAfee, 450. Out of the record. (House Bill) 618, Steczo. Out of the record. Representative Santiago, 715. Out of the record. Representative Deering, 1554. Representative Deering in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Hicks, you have House Bill 1813, 121 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 housing affordable rules. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1813, a Bill for an Act to amend the Housing Afford...Affordability Impact Note Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Hicks."
"The Gentleman from Jefferson, Representative Hicks, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment 1 to House Bill 1813 would clarify some of the language in the Bill that was questioned during committee, mainly dealing with the indirect costs that...were talked about during the committee. This was requested by IHDA and is acceptable to both the realtors and the home-builders associations. I would be happy to answer any questions."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor... Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will."
"You might consider a...a second Amendment to tell your colleagues in the House just where they go to find out how to get this housing affordability impact note 'cause nobody seems to know. What does the Amendment really do, Representative Hicks?"
"The Amendment... Representative, just simply took away... Some people had a problem with...trying to determine what the indirect costs and our indirect impact was of this. They liked the language saying the 'direct impact', not the 'indirect'. So we are taking out the word either 'directly' or 'indirectly' and simply adding the word... to say 'directly' increasing the costs. So, we are trying to satisfy those people who might have a problem and are...and 122 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 that this might, statutorally, somewhere be...discussed as something other than what we are attempting to do with it."
"Okay, thank you very much."
"Further discussion? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative McAfee, on House Bill 2053, Funeral Cemeteries. Out of the record. Representative Roskam, House Bill 2237. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, 2316. Out of the record. Public Utilities, Second Reading. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 479. Representative Woolard. Read the... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 479. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Saltsman."
"Representative Saltsman, on Amendment 1 to House Bill 479."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. What this Amendment does, it allows the small business community that is very concerned about regulated utilities operating in areas unrelated to the utility business. If the utilities are allowed to unfairly use their name recognition, assets, staff expertise...to the detriment to small business, will continue to be unfair competition. The Illinois Alliance for Fair Competition, a broad-based coalition of over 50 different organization, is spearheading a drive for the passage of this Amendment. And their concerns include: cross-subsidization, cross-subsidization of any of their concerns in non regulated business by the utility. Start-up 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 costs, promotional and advertising costs, invoicing, accounting service customer database is all unfair to small business in the State of Illinois, when a large regulated utility company imposes this on small business. The...problem we're having in the northern part of the state is a large utility company is...is in the business of billing through their utility bills, advertising their health; takes the non-competition out of small business and these holding companies were not designed to this, to get into the private sector. One large company that has a 1,200,000 customers by charging $5.95 cent a month...$5.95 a month, if they just had 20% of their customers they'd gross over $7 million a year by taking 40% off of the top of these small business people that they are pretty much forcing to work with their program. So, this...this is very unfair for competition. The...National...excuse me, the...Independent Federation of Business is opposed to this: The National Federation of Business, Small Business Administration, Contractor's Association and labor unions. This is in a very unfair position to put contractors in against eac...against each other with the utility company, a large utility company, sticking a nose into a business which they were not regulated to do, so I ask for passage. I ask for passage of this Amendment."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman from Will, Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill was presented in committee twice, and twice it failed to get out of committee...because of its lack of merit. I mean, this is still America. We still believe in the free enterprise system and anybody who would wants to engage in free and open competition ought to be 124 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 able to do that and make a buck in this world. That's the reason this Bill failed in committee twice. This is a free enterprise system and when you start legislating like this, what you are doing, is you are limiting the ability of all dealers and all people who engage in a business in Illinois to do business. It's a bad Amendment. That's the reason it failed twice in committee, as House Bill 2018, and it failed to get enough votes. It was a 6-3-1 vote, and it did not pass in committee twice. The Amendment is a bad Amendment and should be defeated."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative Saltsman, there was some discussion going on back here. Just for clarification: Could you say who is...supporting your Amendments, the organizations that are in support?"
"Yes, the Governor's Small Business Utility Advocate is the Sponsor of it. The National Federation of Independent Businesses, the Sheetmetal Contractors Association and labor. This is a business and labor Bill, both."
"And, again for clarification, this Amendment just prohibits a public utility from engaging in those types of businesses which you cited. So, the National Federation of Independent Business is for this, the small business person and the labor unions, correct? Thank you."
"Yes."
"Further discussion? Representative Saltsman, to close."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment will keep all contractors in the State of Illinois on a level playing 125 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 field. And what happened was I took this Bill to committee, and it was a very stringent Bill. They had a similar one in the Senate, and when I was asked by Members of the committee, some Republicans and Democrats, to bring it in as amended. And as you can tell by the vote, it was brought in very late at the last day of the committee hearings, there was not enough people on the floor to actually vote it out. It went down like you said, Representative Wennlund, six to three. This is the reason I brought it to the floor because it never had a fair hearing in the House, because the Amendment is the Bill that I'm trying to pass at this time, and the committee, they were going all over tryin' to get their Bills passed and probably only 60, 70% of the committee was present at that time, so this is why these people have begged me to bring this to the floor and asked us to tell the utility companies to keep their nose out of the construction business and not allow this to happen. It's a very unfair playing field. Union companies versus non-union companies who would have to cut their costs and their labor costs and put 'em on a unfair playing field. Your contractors back home, if they're organized, I'm going to tell you, they don't want this. They came to me. The unions did not come to me with this. The Contractors Association in the State of Illinois brought this to me, and the only contractors that we're getting letters from are a handful of the few, and when I talked to the ICORE people, they said not one of these people they had as of that time was a union contractor, so they afford to go out and do this work on a uncon...unfairly bid program and still use the gas bill to collect this money. Now, if they collect...if they get 20% of their people at $5.95 a month, this gas company, they get top 40% before 126 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 anybody gets a dime of it. They get $750 million, $7,500,000, they get that much for not doing anything."
"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. All those in favor of the Amendment, signify by voting 'aye'; 'opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 59 voting 'yes' and 49 voting 'no', and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Giorgi, 1458. Public Utilities. Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, 1591, emergency telephone system. Representative Brunsvold? Out of the record. Representative Wirsing, public utility cross-planning. Wirsing? Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, 1844. (House Bill) 1844. Out of the record. Representative Davis, House Bill 1938, public utility winter cutoff. Second Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1938, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Shirley Jones. Out of the record. House Bills, Second Reading, Revenue. Representative Flinn. Representative Flinn, 293. Out of the record. Representative Edley, 331. Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, on House Bill 429. You want to call that Bill, Representative? Lottery ads, no ties to schools. Out of the record. Representative Woolard, 798. 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Representative Woolard in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Steczo, 808. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 808, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 930. Do you wish to have this Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 930, a Bill for an Act to amend the Local Mass Transit District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Hoffman."
"Representative Hoffman, on Amendment 1."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment 1 does a couple of things. First, it further defines and allows...referendums throughout the entire Metro-East Transit District. Secondly, it clears up some technical problems the Department of Revenue had with the Bill, and it's my understanding they drafted and...and proposed that portion of this Amendment. I ask that this be adopted."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? All those...all those in favor of the Amendment... Representative Stephens."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, when this Bill was introduced, it was...just for St. Clair County?"
"Yes."
"You mentioned that it expanded area. Would you care to 128 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 talk more about that?"
"Yes, now it...now it includes the entire Metro-East Transit District, which could include Madison County. It still requires a referendum for any type of...activity."
"Okay, so it includes parts of all St. Clair County, part of Madison County..."
"What...whatever..."
"Okay, so...and then..."
"And...and maybe a small portion of... I...I don't think so. I think it's Madison and St. Clair."
"Okay."
"I don't think... It depends on what the Metro East Transit District goes into Monroe County. I don't think it does."
"And Floor Amendment 1 in no way changes the...the fact that this is a...front-door referendum?
"Right."
"It's to be placed on the ballot. If they want to..."
"Right. Otherwise, I wouldn't be carrying..."
"...sales tax. Other... Otherwise, you wouldn't be carrying the Bill."
"That's right."
"That's what I thought. Thank you, Representative."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor to the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Murphy. Maureen Murphy, House Bill 1125. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1125, a Bill for an Act to amend the 129 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Retailers Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Woolard, 1294. Out of the record. Representative Levin, on House Bill 1420. Income tax technical change. Out of the record. Representative Turner, 1584. Revenue Act Redemption. Representative Turner. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1584, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Turner."
"Representative Turner, on Amendment 2 to House Bill 1584. Representative Turner."
"Mr. Speaker, I'm just looking at this Amendment, and I believe it's technical in nature only. It was to clarify...some cleanup language in the Bill, and I move for the adoption of Amendment 2."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'... Mr. Clerk, has 3 been printed and distributed? (Amendment) 2."
"Mr. Speaker, Amendment 2 has been printed, and I move for the adoption of Amendment 2."
"Is that cleared with the Assistant Parliamentarian? It's been cleared. okay, fine. All those in favor of Amendment 2 signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"Amendment 3, offered by Representative Kubik."
"Representative Kubik, on Amendment 3. Has this been printed and distributed? It hasn't been printed and distributed, Representative Kubik. Representative Turner." 130 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Turner: Mr. Speaker. April 13, 1993 Amendment 3. I'm "Thank you, I've seen opposed to it, and I move to table Amendment 3, although it has not been printed and distributed. It's a very hostile Amendment, and it...would...only hurt my legislation. So, I move to table Amendment 3."
"Representative Kubik."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Turner is...is Speaker House. I recognize that... Representative moving to table, but I would ask him to reconsider. I..I don't see...that this Amendment is...is a hostile or...or unreasonable Amendment. It simply indicates that the payment schedule for property taxes can be changed from two equal installments another payment schedule, as determined by the collector, and I...I just don't see why that would be such a controversial Amendment." to
"Further discussion? Representative Turner. Representative Turner."
"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, again, I'd like to leave this Bill in the shape and in the form that it's in; and, I...although I respect what the Sponsor of Amendment 3 wants to do, this Bill is a very important Bill regarding tax sales, and...again, I would like to leave the Bill in the form that it's in and not have any Amendments attached to it."
"You heard the Gentleman's Motion to table. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's been tabled. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendment" "
"Third Reading. Representative Moseley, on 2148. The Lady in the chamber? House Bill 2148. Representative Moseley. Vickie Moseley. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2148, a Bill for an Act to amend the 131 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Revenue Act of 1939. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Roads and Transportation, Second Reading. Representative Giorgi. Representative Giorgi in the chamber? House Bill 127, CPA technical changes. Out of the record. Representative Hartke, 457, vehicle portable scales. Representative Hartke in the chamber? Out of the record. How about 458. Out of the record. Representative Woolard, 460. Out of the record. Representative Hartke, on 673, restricted highway use. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 673, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Hartke."
"Representative Hartke, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 1 is a compromise worked out with the township officials, road commissioners and so forth, which adds language to the...limitation on posting of roads for...vehicles, and I would appreciate your support of the Amendment."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Balanoff, 897. IDOT RTA subsidy. Out of the record. Representative Gash, 1075. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, 1077. We'll come back, Representative Har...Churchill. Representative Hartke, on 1113. Out of the record. How 132 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 about 1114? Out of the record. Tom Johnson, 2157. Read...read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 2157."
"House Bill 2157, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? Hasn't been printed or distributed, Representative. Take it out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Deuchler, on 2308. Out of the record. Representative Ryder, on 2375. Out of the record. Constitutional Officers, Second Reading. Representative Homer. House Bill 314. Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, Elvis Presley plates, 318. Representative Balanoff, there's a fiscal note request. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of the...of the Bill? On Representative Balanoff's Bill?"
"House Bill 318 has been read a second time previously. It was held for a fiscal note request."
"Who requested the fiscal note?"
"Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund withdraws the request for the fiscal note on House Bill 318. Third Reading. House Bill 1077, Representative Churchill. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1077. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Phelps."
"Representative Phelps on Amendment 1."
"Thank YOU Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This...merely provides...grants of public utility easement in the Saline Valley Conservacy District for a waterline extension to accommodate several municipalities along a bicycle trail route for construction and 133 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 maintenance. I'd appreciate your support."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, then all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Phelan, on House Bill 537. Phelan, 537, vehicle technical change. It wasn't moved. You passed on it the last time. You want to have it heard now? (House Bill) 537? All right, take it out of the record for a minute. Representative McAfee, on 2227, vehicle lights for security. Out of the record. Representative Sheehy. Representative Sheehy, on 9...902. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 902, a Bill for an Act to amend the Security Deposit Return Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Sheehy."
"Representative Sheehy, on Amendment 2."
"Amendment 2, Chairman and House Committee Members, Amendment 2, what it does, is it's a clarification on Bill 902. What it says is that the lessor, the landlord, must advise the lessee, the tenant, of where their security deposits will be deposited. At this time, I move for adoption of this Amendment."
"Any discussion on the Gentleman's Amendment? Representative Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Yeah, Representative, can you...can you tell me why... 134 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Give me the genesis of this. Why is this necessary?"
"I didn't hear him. The Banking Association asked me to put this Amendment in for them."
"The...the what association?"
"Banking."
"The Banking Association."
"Yes."
"Aw, they ask for all kinds of things. But, I still don't understand it. If I rent an apartment from you, why do I care where you put the security deposit?"
"Well, Chicago has it right now. We're the only suburb that doesn't have this. I have constituents today who have had money...security deposits taken away from because of foreclosures and...property being sold. And, at that time, they've asked that their deposit be given back to them, and of course, it wasn't there for 'em. So, in there... This Bill is there to protect them."
"So this would impact all landlords in the state, not just in the collar counties. Is that correct?"
"That's correct, Representative."
"Okay, thank you very much, Representative. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I...I suppose the Amendment is all right and we can visit it on Third Reading. You know, there are a lot of us in this chamber that have owned or do own rental property, and at some point in the process... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At some point in the process, you know there are landlords in this state that could help ease the housing crunch and crisis. But you know why they don't? 'Cause we run them out of business with regulations and rules, just like this. It's rather innocuous, but it's just another regulation that a landlord has to comply with in a business, that if you've 135 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES MRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 ever been in it, you know isn't anywhere near as profitable as the late-night gurus on television would have you believe. I don't stand in opposition to the Gentleman's Amendment. I may reserve that for Third Reading, but I...I urge all of 'ya to take a look at what you're doing to the landlord-tenant relationship. Obviously, there are problems. But you're not going to solve those problems by draw...by running every landlord in the State of Illinois out of the business. And then what? Have the state step in? Well, we certainly have a sterling record in government of creating housing units. So, Representative, I wish you the best of luck with the...Bill. I don't rise in opposition to the Amendment. You can put it on by voice vote, and we'll take a look at it on Third."
"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman on 2082. investment state money small banks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2082. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Amendment... Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Black."
"Representative Black. Representative Hoffman."
"We'll accept Floor Amendment 2."
"Representative Black, do you want to explain Amendment 2?"
"Yes, I certainly do, Mr. Speaker, and thank you very much. Amendment 2 is probably one of the finer Amendments that I have added...to any Bill this week." 136 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Consumer Protection. House Bill 793, Representative Schakowsky. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, on 1079. Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky. Out of the record. Mr. Turner. Representative Turner, on House Bill 1645; Hot Water Heater Safety Act. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 1768. Out of the record. Representative Wojcik on House Bill 779. Liquor, winery, bed and breakfast. Sorry about that. That's on Third Reading. Come on. Agriculture and Conservation. Representative Hicks, 602, horse racing technical. Out of the record. Hartke, 762. Out of the record. Churchill, 1074. Representative Churchill? Churchill? Out of the record. Brunsvold, 1990. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, 1067. Insurance. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on 1829. Out of the record. Representative Daniels, on 2260. Out of the record. Granberg, 2353. insurance space heater. Out of the record. Civil Justice, Second Reading. Representative Lang. Out of the record. Representative Dart, 161. Out of of the record. Representative Pugh, 22...224. (House Bill) 224. juvenile automatic transfer. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on 252. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on 365. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on 382. Out of the record. Representative Giorgi, on 672. Out of the record. Representative John Dunn, on House Bill 700. Mr. Clerk, call the Bill."
Clerk Rossi "House Bill 700, a Bill for an Act to amend the 137 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Business Corporation Act of 1983. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"No Floor Amendments? Third Reading. Representative Currie, on 724. Out of the record. Representative John Dunn, on 743. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, 743."
"House Bill 743, a Bill for an Act concerning juveniles. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments? Third Reading. Representative Lang, 764. Out of the record. Representative Turner on House Bill 843, Human Rights Commission Proceedings. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 843, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Homer, on 935. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 936. Out of the record. Representative Homer. Out of the record. Representative Currie. Representative Currie in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Steczo, 1236. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1236, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman, on 1256. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 1257. Out of the record. Representative Santiago, on 1277. Out of the record. Representative... (House Bill) 1255."
"House Bill 1255, a Bill for an Act amending the Probation and Probation Officers Act. Second Reading of the 138 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. How about 1298, Representative Hoffman? Would you like that? Out of the record. Representative Sheehy on 1362. Representative Sheehy? Out of the record. Representative Pankau. Pankau. House Bill 1386. Out of the record. Representative Ryder, 1391. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on 1426. child custody. Want to do it? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 1426."
"House Bill 1426, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative McAfee, on 1466. (House Bill) 1466; trust-trustees. Read the... Out of the record. Blagojevich. Representative Blagojevich in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 1575. Out of the record. Representative Cross, on 1592. Out of the record. Representative Dart, 1631. Out of the record. Representative Homer. Representative Lang, on 1676. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on 1723. Out of the record. How about 1786? Out of the record. How about 1905? Representative Lang. Out of the record. Representative Mulligan, on 1917. Representative Mulligan? Out of the record. Representative von Bergen-Wessels, 1940. (House Bill) 1940? Out of the record. Representative Rotello, 1951. criminal procedure arraignment. Out of the record. Representative Cross, 2010. Cross. (House Bill) 2010. Out of the record. Representative Gash, 2102. Out of the record. Representative Levin, 2108. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 2111. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, 2112. The Lady from Cook, Representative Jones. Out of the record. Representative 139 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Lang, on 2160. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on 2171. Out of the record. Lopez, 2191. Representative Lopez? (House Bill) 2191? Do you wish to have this Bill called? (House Bill) 2191, maintenance direct deposits. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on 2386. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on 2422. Did you already move that? Gash, 2425. The Lady from Cook, Representative Gash. Out of the record. Representative Lang, you have three bills: 2427... All of them? Out. That takes care of Civil Justice. Business and Job Development, Second Reading. Representative Lang, 7. Out of the rec... Representative Rotello, on 1320. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1320, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Rotello."
"Representative Rotello, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment 1 to House Bill 1320 would transfer the responsibility of administering this program from the Department of Revenue to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. DCCA has agreed to this and...and Revenue didn't wanna support it, so we think this is a very favorable Amendment, and...like to move with that."
"Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Steczo, on 1939. Out of the record. Representative Saviano, 2036. Saviano. 140 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Ou...out of the record. Skip. Representative Hicks, 2074, Attorney General. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, on 2374. Out of the record. Local Government. House Bill 822, Schoenberg. Out of the record. Fine. Seniors. Representative Woolard, 431. Is Representative Woolard in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Flowers, 949. The Lady from Cook. Minority senior citizen program. Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, 2392. Out of the record. (House Bill) 2074, Representative Hicks. Do you want to call that Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2074, a Bill for an Act relating to the investigation and prosecution of violations and fraudulent abuses of laws relating to workers' compensation. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Parke."
"Representative Parke, on Amendment 2 to House Bill 2074."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 2, I think, is a...in keeping with this legislation. It mandates the Attorney General to publicize the existence of a workers' comp...compensation fraud division. I think it's only fair that we let people know that there is such a division and that there is a 800-number in which they can call. I think it's in keeping with the content of the underlying Bill, and I would ask for this Amendment to be passed."
"Any discussion on the Gentleman's Amendment? Representative Hicks."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in opposition to Amendment 2. I believe that it's not necessary to be able to provide a 800-number to do 141 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 this. I think if there's fraud, certainly...it's going to be something that's gonna be investigated, it's going to be looked at by the Attorney General. That's the reason we're setting it up. It's not needed to broadcast this all over the world on an ongoing basis, and I'd stand in opposition to the Amendment."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, in your explanation, you didn't explain the Amendment. Can you tell us what the Amendment does?"
"Would you like me to repeat it again, is that what you asked me?"
"No, I would like you to tell us what the Amendment does."
"I did explain it, but I'd be happy to tell you again. You can read it. It says the Attorney General shall publicize periodically through the public service announcements and other appropriate methods the existence and function of workers' ca...workers' compensation fund division and shall establish and publicize periodically a 800-number which may be used to report and request investigation of suspected violations, fraud and abuse of the laws related to the workers' compensation system. If you don't do this, how are people going to know there is such a system, that there is an access to workers' comp fraud? It just makes sense, and quite frankly, I think supports and enhances the underlying legislation."
"Does the Attorney General concur on your position?"
"Well, I...have not personally talked to him, but I don't know why he should be opposed to it. I think it's a good idea to...legislation in which he is...he's obviously put out to saying that he wants to try and make people aware of 142 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 a...fraud division which he wants to establish. Therefore, I think it's only in keeping that he would let people know there is such a system. And I would ask the body to support me on this. I don't think it's out of line."
"So, that...so, that four or five sentence answer to my question was no."
"No what?"
"No, you have not talked to the Attorney General about this Amendment."
"Well, why would I...why would I have to? I think it's a good idea. Why...why would I have to? Do you talk to the everybody that were on the Amendments that you put in?"
"Well, I...I think you're right. I don't think we should talk to public officials that we're trying to regulate in this Body. I think...I think we should vote 'no'."
"Further discussion? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'noes' have it. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"Amendment 3, offered by Representative Parke."
"Representative Parke, on Amendment 3."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Number... Amendment 3 defines workers' comp fraud and provides for a penalty for a Class A felony. I mean, if we're going to put a Bill out that defines...that says what fraud is suppose to do and what the penalty is, I think we ought to...put down that it's a...that we have teeth in this legislation, that in fact it means something. And I think that fraud is something that costs the men and women of this state...tens of millions of dollars, and I think that we ought to make sure that people understand we mean business, and therefore, we should be putting it in as a 143 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Class 4 felony." April 13, 1993
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Hicks? Representative Lang."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm recommending a 'no' vote on this. The Amendment has no substantive effect at all. Prosecutions under the new Act created by House Bill 2074 are impossible, since the Act does not establish any criminal violations. The... State Benefit Fraud Act already provides that workmens'' compensation fraud is a Class 4 felony, Class 3 if it's more than $300 in benefits obtained. So accordingly, it's a unnecessary piece of legislation, and I would urge 'no' votes."
"Yeah, I would just like to remind that the underlying Bill does not define 'fraud', and I just don't understand how you can put legislation out there unless you are specifically defining it, and that's what this Amendment does. It's not meant to...be disruptive to the underlying Bill. I think it enhances the Bill."
"Further discussion? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'noes' have it. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2227, Representative McAfee. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2227, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Cowlishaw. Cowlishaw. On page 60 of the Calendar. On the Speaker's Table, Consent Calendar appears House Joint Resolution 6. 144 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day (House Resolution) 177. House April 13, 1993 Resolution 177. Representative Cowlishaw, House Resolution 177. Mr. Clerk, read this Resolution."
"House Resolution 177, offered by Representative Cowlishaw. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Cowlishaw."
"Representative Cowlishaw, on Amendment 1."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There is...there is a slight error in Amendment 1, so I would like to withdraw that and move to (Amendment) 2, if I may."
"Withdraw Amendment 1, Mr. Clerk. Are there further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative Cowlishaw."
"Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This Resolution began by asking that the Illinois Department of Public Health look into the question of whether women who have HIV are treated in the same way and have the same benefits as men. However, the Department suggested that, in fact, nearly all of those are federal benefits; there are very few that are provided by states. Consequently, what this Amendment does, is to remove the State of Illinois Department of Public Health and instead, ask the U.S. Congress and U.S. Health and Human Services Department to fully investigate, and if necessary, act upon any...anything that may be a benefit for HIV...people who suffer from the HIV virus, to be sure that women are treated the same as men in the event they have that dreaded disease. I have checked with the Spokesman on your side. He is in agreement with this, and so I would move for the 145 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 adoption of Amendment 2."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"All right, Representative Cowlishaw, we're going to leave this on this order, and we'll do the complete order, hopefully, tomorrow. Representative Cowlishaw."
"Mr. Speaker, could we put this back on the...on...on the same Agreed Calendar that it was on to begin with?"
"Yes."
"Thank you very much. I appreciate it."
"Put the Bill back on the Agreed Calendar..."
"Thank you."
"...Speaker's Table, Mr. Clerk. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair."
"Proceed."
"We just left page 60, Speakers Table, Consent Calendar, Fourth Day. And we have several Resolutions. I...I'm curious as to when we're going to move those."
"Well, we're gonna move those tomorrow, Representative Black. What we did was, in deference to requests by Representative Cowlishaw, 'cause she had an Amendment on her Resolution, the Chair was very cooperative in providing that Amendment on her Resolution, so we could have everything in order for tomorrow."
"And we...we appreciate that kindness, but I wanted to make sure my Resolution wasn't endangered by this sudden 146 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 act of kindness on your part."
"Representative, you know when Representative Giglio's in the Chair, everybody gets treated fairly."
"If you can't trust your plumber, who can you trust? Just for that, you get the corn."
"We're going to go back to the Order of Second Reading, under Law, some people have asked that...under Local Government, excuse me. Some people have asked that their Bills be heard; hopefully, they're still here. House Bill 105, Representative Homer. House Bill 165, Representative Balanoff. (House Bill) 165? Out of the record. (House Bill) 168. Representative Lang. Out of the record. Representative Capparelli. (House Bill) 175. Representative Capparelli, 175. Forest Preserve District. Out of the record. Representative Lang, you have two Bills: 548 and 550. Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, you have two more Bills; excuse me, Senate...Represen... House Bill 610 and House Bill 611. Out of the record. Representative Wojcik. Wojcik. Representative Ryder, 703. Out of the record. Representative Santiago. Santiago, you have four Bills here, 1279, downstate forest preserves. For... Out. Townships. Representative Saltsman, on 1508. Saltsman, 1508. Out of the record. Representative Black, 1524. Representative Black, 1524. Has...1524, Mr. Clerk, the Amendment's been printed and distributed, Lee? (House Bill) 1524? Something wrong with the machine, Representative Black. (Amendment) 3 hasn't been distributed, yet. I think that's the Legislative Printing Unit. I know the comptroller's been complaining that, you know, she's holding the checks to see about some money, but...we'll get to it, Representative. Representative Currie. Representative Lang. Representative Erwin. 147 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Representative Erwin, April 13, 1993 2240. Out of the record. Representative Currie, you had 1720, open meeting? Okay, a fiscal note. Education, Second Reading. Representative Davis, 593. (House Bill) 593 is Adult Ed Service Program. The Clerk... Mr. Clerk, put 593 on the board. You wish to have this Bill called, Representative? Out of the record. Representative Cowlishaw, 754. Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Representative Mautino, 7... 757. Representative Mautino, 757. Out of the record. Stroger, 957. Out of the record. Churchill, 1083. (House Bill) 1087. Hoffman, 1165. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1308, Representative Wyvetter Younge. (House Bill) 1308. Out of the record. Representative Burke. Burke, you have three Bills: 1695, 1696. school dismissals. school teacher reduction. Do you wish to call those Bills? (House Bill) 1695 and 1696. Read 1695, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1695, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1696. Read...read... Out of the record. Representative Martinez, 1756. (House Bill 1756), Representative Martinez. Do you want to call this Bill? Well, Representative Martinez, there's a fiscal note been requested. We have to wait for the fiscal note. Representative Currie, on 9... The request for a fiscal note has been withdrawn on 1756. Are there any...Amendments filed? No Amendments. Third Reading. Representative Currie, 1919. Okay. Representative Levin. Levin. Representative Levin, you have two Bills: 2107, school internal accounts. Mr. Clerk, put...2107 on the board. Not that one. Okay, how about 2134? That one. 148 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day (House Bill) 2134, Mr. Clerk. April 13, 1993 Read the Bill."
"House Bill 2134, a Bill for an Act amending the School Codes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Hawkins, on 2198. ...Out of the record. Representative Davis, 2216, proprietory school complaints. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2216, a Bill for an Act concerning proprietary schools. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Davis."
"The Lady from Cook, Representative Davis."
"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The...Amendment simply takes the...responsibility and gives it back to the...State Board of Education and..."
"Excuse me, Representative."
"Sure."
"The Clerk informs the Chair that it...it's been filed today. It hasn't been distributed. All right. On Elections and State Government, Second Reading, appears House Bill 73. The Lady from Winnebago, Representative Giolitto. Giolitto? Representative Giolitto? Do you want to have this Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 73, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Giolitto."
"Amendment 1, Representative Giolitto."
"Yes...yes. The Amendment is just to put it in the community action agency. Same as has worked in Rockford, 149 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 very successfully."
"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"Representative...is this the Amendment that addressed some of the concerns that came up in committee with this Bill?"
"Yes."
"So, as far as you know with this Amendment then..."
"I can't hear you very well."
"You can't hear me. I'll speak up a little louder."
"Yeah. Speak up, I know you can."
"Thank you. All right. I'll be glad to. Let's fire it up here."
"Okay."
"All right. Four-fifty-one p.m. Amendment 1, is this an Agreed Amendment?"
"Is this an Agreed Amendment?"
"An Agreed? Not green, an Agreed?"
"As far as I'm aware. Is that good enough?"
"Who's it agreed to? By, for, with?"
"Everybody agrees with it. Everybody. It's Black: unanimous." "Everybody agrees. Mr. Speaker, we have finally, after a long day, found something we all agree on."
"Yes. That's wonderful. Yeah..."
"I have no idea what the Amendment does, but it's agreed. What can I say. I should be a Co-Sponsor. Let's move this Amendment right away."
"Thank you very much." 150 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Giolitto, you have another Bill, 147. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 147, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Hold the Bill, Mr. Clerk, on Second Reading. Representative Younge, on House Bill 641. Out of the record. Elections and State Government, Second Reading. Representative Curran, 832. Representative Curran, 832, elections, technical change. Out of the record. McGuire, 973. Out of the record. Ronen, 1108. The Lady from Cook, Representative Ronen. Representative Ronen, do you wish to have your Bill called? (House Bill) 1108. Out of the record. Representative Currie, 1201. Out of the record. Representative Curran, on 1228, state purchasing. Out of the record. Mulligan, 1392. Out of the record. Edley, 14... Representative Edley. Edley? The Bill's been held on Second Reading, Representative. Representative Kaszak, on 1539, state government labor cooperation. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, you have two Bills: 1704, 1705. Out of the record. Rotello, 1745. Representative Moseley, 1912. Representative Moseley, 1912? Out...out of the record. Do you want a... Representative Prussing. Prussing, 2296, Government Ethics Act. Prussing. Prussing, 2296. Out of the record. Energy and Environment. Representative Moseley. Out of the record. 151 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Novak. Representative Novak. We have...you have three Bills: 298. Out of the record. Out of the record. Out of the record. Steczo, 404. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 404, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 and 2 were adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 408. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 408, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."
"Representative Novak, on 480. Novak, 480. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on 497. House Bill 497, EPA technical. Out of the record. House Bill 639, Novak. House Bill 639, solid waste plan grace fees. Well, it's been moved. Steczo, 1315. Representative Steczo? Steczo, 1315. Out of the record. Do you wanna read it? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1315, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Steczo."
"Representative Steczo, Amendment 1."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 1 reduces the time of the moratorium from five years to two-and-a-half years. This was really at the suggestion of the Members of the Executive Committee, who indicated that prior Bills to do the same thing in other areas...had the same time frame; so this Bill, this Amendment just makes the time frame consistent with other Bills of its type that 152 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 we've dealt with in the past, and I move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"Any discussion? Representative Novak."
"Mr... Yes, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? Representative Steczo, does this Amendment have anything to do with non hazardous waste incinerators?"
"This Amendment deals with solid waste incinerators."
"Solid waste incinerators."
"Solid waste incinerators. Correct."
"Okay. So, this would apply to the Robbins Incinerator?"
"That's correct."
"Okay, thank you."
"Representative Black."
"Yeah. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."
"Proceed."
"Representative, I need to make it clear in my mind what this Amendment does. You're simply reducing the time span from the five years to two-and-a-half years creating a two-and-a-half year moratorium on non-hazardous solid waste incinerators in Cook County only. Correct?"
"That is correct."
"All right. Thank you."
"Further discussion? All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1450, Representative Dart. Representative Dart. A fiscal note is requested. Out of the record. Representative Lang, 1479. Out of the record. Kaszak. Oh, I think that was moved. 153 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Representative Deering, you have two Bills: 1965 and 1967. Out of the record. Representative Moffitt. Out of the record. Human Services. Representative Giorgi, 152, Public Aid, Medicaid for the kids. Out of the record. Granberg, 236. Representative Granberg. Out of the record. Representative McGuire, 453. Out of the record. Lopez, 661. It was held. Representative Davis, on 928, lead poisoning for school kids. Out of the record. Representative Younge, on House Bill 1657. Out of the record. Representative Currie, 2063. Representative Currie. Out of the record. Representative Levin, 2076. House Bill 2076, AIDS residential care. Out of the record. Representative Ryder, 2332. Ryder. Out of the record. Representative Turner, in the Chair."
"On the Order of Housing and Economic Development, we have House Bill 539, Representative Pedersen. All right. Out of the record. Representative Davis, on House Bill 1716. The Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Black, on House Bill 2061. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. (House Bill) 2061, Representative Black. The Chair recognizes Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. We've been having trouble with the printing press, and this Amendment, I...I hope, has been printed and distributed by now."
"...Representative Black, I've been informed that Amendment has not been printed. They're working."
"...I hope it gets...four of the five Commissioners have passed away since I filed this Amendment. So, hopefully it will be ready tomorrow." Speaker Turner: er: "Representative Black. They're working."
"Thank you." Speaker On the Order of Professional 154 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Regulations, Second Reading. April 13, 1993 Representative Steczo, on House Bill 210. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 211. Out of the record. House Bill 212. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, on House Bill 213. Out of the record. House Bill 214. Out of the record. House Bill 215. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, on House Bill 412. Out of the record. Representative McAfee, on House Bill 450. Out of the record. Representative Steczo, on 618. House Bill 618. Out of the record. Representative Davis, on House Bill 706. Out of the record. Representative Santiago, on House Bill 715. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Deering, on House Bill 1554. Out of the record. Representative McAfee, on 2053. Out of the record. Representative Roskam, on House Bill 2237. Representative Roskam, on House Bill 2037...2237. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, on House Bill 2316. Out of the record. I'd like to remind the chamber that we just went through a whole order of... Bills and not one Bill was called. Public Ut... On the Order of Public Utilities, Second Reading, we have House Bill 572, Representative Schoenberg. He's excused. Out of the record. Representative Giorgi, on House Bill 1458. Out of the record. May I remind the Members, if you want, you can always table the Bill, too. Representative Brunsvold, on House Bill 1591. Out of the record. Representative Wirsing, on House Bill 1771. Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 1844. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on House Bill 184. Out of the record. On the Order of Revenue, Representative Hicks. It's on Third Reading, Representative. On the Order of Revenue. Second Reading. Representative Flinn, on House 155 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Bill 293. Out of the record. Representative Edley, on House Bill 331. Call the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 331, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Kubik."
"Representative Kubik, on Amendment 1. Just a minute, Representative Kubik. Representative Dart, for what reason do you rise?"
"...Inquiry, a Parliamentary inquiry. I ask...the Parliamentarian to look to the germaneness of this Amendment."
"Representative Kubik, for what reason do you rise?"
"Well, I know the Parliamentarian is studying this issue very carefully. As he's doing that, I just wanted to compliment the Speaker on seeing my light when I put it on. I...I...I, even without sunglasses on, I noticed that you...were able to see my light today."
"Well, Representative, I think since the last (I won't say altercation), but since the last time that error did occur, we have changed from daylight savings time. It is after the hour of 5 and that does have a different affect on the glare up here on the board."
"A better affect on your eyes, I take it."
"Absolutely, Representative."
"That's great. Just great."
"The right shift, and I've been informed by the Parliamentarian, Representative, that your Amendment is not germane."
"Incidently, Mr. Speaker, just an inquiry. Just an inquiry. ...I noticed, Representative Dart has...raised 156 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 the germaneness issue. I have yet to hear him oppose the Bill, but he's doing very well on raising these germaneness issues."
"We're...we're proud of him, as well, Representative Kubik. He is doing a great job. Representative Edley? The Amendment has been ruled non-germane. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Balanoff, on House Bill 429. Out of the record. Represent... Representative Woolard, on House Bill 798. House Bill 798. Out of the record. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 1294. Call the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 1294."
"House Bill 1294, a Bill for an Act amending the Revenue Act of 1939. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee."
"...Mr. Clerk."
"No Motions filed."
"The Sponsor wants to take the Bill out of the record. You just reminded him. Representative Levin, on House Bill 1420. Out of the record. Moving to the Order of Roads and Transportation, Second Reading, we have Representative Giorgi, on House Bill 127. Out of the record. Representative Hartke, on House Bill 457, 457. Out of the record. (House Bill) 458. Out of the record. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 460. Out of the record. Representative Balanoff, on House Bill 897. Out of the record. Representative Gash, on House Bill 1075. Out of the record. Representative Hartke, on 1113. Out of the record. Hartke, on 1114. Out of the record. Representative Deuchler, on House Bill 2308. Out of the 157 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day record. Representative Ryder, on House Bill 2375. Out of the record. Moving to the Order of Constitutional Officers, Second Reading. Representative Homer, on House Bill 314. Out of the record. Representative Phelan, on 537. Call the Bill, Mr. Speaker...I mean, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 537, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the Order of Consumer Protection, Second Reading. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 793. Representative Schakowsky. House Bill 793. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, on House Bill 1079. Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 1355. Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, House Bill 1385. Out of the record. House Bill 1504, Representative Schakowsky. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1505. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1687, Representative Schakowsky's. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 1768. Out of the record. Agriculture and Conservation, Second Reading. Representative Schoenberg, House Bill 581. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, House Bill 602. Representative Hicks, House Bill 602. Out of the record. Representative Hartke, on House Bill 762. Out of the record. Representative Churchill, on House Bill 1074. Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, on House Bill 1990. Out of the record. On the Order of Insurance. Representative Hicks, on House Bill 1067. Out of the record. Representative Hicks, on House Bill 1829. Out of the record. Representative Daniels, on House Bill 2260. Out of the record. Representative Granberg, on House Bill 2353. Out of the record. On the Order of Civil Justice, 158 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Second Reading. Representative Lang, on House Bill 92. Out of the record. Representative Schoenberg, on House Bill 141. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on House Bill 161. Out of the record. Representative Pugh, on House Bill 224. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on House Bill 252. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on House Bill 365. House Bill 365. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 382. Out of the record. Representative Currie, on House Bill 724. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 764. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on House Bill 935. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 936. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on House Bill 1025. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. No, 1025. Rep... The Chair recognizes Representative Homer. The Chair recognizes Homer. Representative?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A while ago I placed that Bill in interim study. Thank you."
"(House Bill) 1025?"
"Yes, I put a slip into to put that Bill on interim study."
"At the wish of the Sponsor, it will be so recorded. Representative Homer, on House Bill 1026. Out of the record. Representative Currie, on House Bill 1203. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on House Bill 1235. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1235, a Bill for an Act amending the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed."
"Any...any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 2, offered by Representative 159 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Homer."
"Representative, that Amendment has not been printed, Amendment 2. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 1257. Representative Santiago, on House Bill 1277. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, 1298. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1298, a Bill for an Act to amend the Mechanics Lien Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Currie, on House Bill 1319. Out of the record. Representative Currie, on 1332. Out of the record. Representative Sheehy, on House Bill 1362. Out of the record. Representative Pankau, on House Bill 1386. Out of the record. Representative McAfee, on House Bill 1466. Out of the record. Representative Blagojevich, on House Bill 1468. Out of the record. ...Representative Black, the Gentleman from Vermilion, you wish to be recognized?"
"Yes, I do. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair. ...Early this morning, the esteemed Majority Leader said that he would keep track of every time a Member's Bill was called on Second and not moved. Now, I know why the printing press is broken. Some of these Bills have been called 50 times today and they haven't moved them to Third Reading. We're going back through this list for the seventh or eighth time. If we did get anything controversial, there isn't enough people here to pass anything. I would...I would ask in all due respect to the Chair, if nobody's gonna move their Bills, then let's adjourn."
"Representative, your point is well-taken, and I will call a caucus with a few people in the back to talk 160 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 about it."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Lang, on House Bill 1575. Out of the record. Representative Cross, on House Bill 1592. Out of the record. Representative Dart, on House Bill 1631. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on House Bill 1660. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on 1661. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1662, Representative Homer. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1663, Representative Homer. Out of the record. (House Bill) 1664, Representative Homer. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 1676. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1676, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."
"Representative Lang."
"I...I just wish to know if the fiscal note has been filed? It might have been since we called this Bill the last four or five times today, it might have been filed. Can we check?"
"Fiscal note has not been filed."
"Representative, the same people that...are printing the Amendments, print the fiscal note. It's in that stack. Representative Levin, on House Bill 1677. Out of the record. Representative Homer, on 1691. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on House Bill 1905. Out of the record. House Bill 1906, Representative Lang. It's on Third. Representative Mulligan, on House Bill 1917. Out of the record. Representative von Bergen-Wessels, on House Bill 1940. Out of the record. Representative Rotello, on 161 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 House Bill 1951. Out of the record. Representative Lopez, on House Bill 1974. Out of the record. Representative Cross, on House Bill 2010. Out of the record. Representative Gash, on House Bill 2102. Out of the record. Representative Levin, on 2108. Out of the record. Representative Lang. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones. Out of the record. Representative Lang, on 2160. It's already on Third. Representative Lopez, on House Bill 2191. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on House Bill 2386. Out of the record. Representative Gash, on House Bill 2425. Out of the record. Representative Lang. Out of the record. Out of the record. Out of the record. Now. Now. On the Order of Business and Job Development, Second Reading. Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Representative Churchill. Out of the record. On the Order of Seniors. Representative Woolard, on House Bill 431. Out of the record. Representative Flowers, on House Bill 949. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 949, a Bill for an Act in relation to services for minority senior services. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Flowers."
"Representative, I understand your Amendment has not been printed. The Bill will remain on... The Bill will remain on Second. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 2392. Out of the record. Representative Kubik."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. I was... You know, I happened to look at the Calendar today and one of the previous Speakers in the Chair indicated that we were going to keep a record of how many times we called a Bill...to verify how many times these Bills had 162 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day been called so there would be no dispute as to the number of times it was called. I was just curious, it did not appear on the Calendar today and whether that is a policy that we're going to follow...during this Session."
"So, are you saying that your Bill has not been called?"
"No, I was just looking to see how many others had been called, and you know, I thought we were going to have a...a little score sheet after each Bill. A previous Speaker had indicated that was...something that...the Chair was going to do."
"That's what they're doing right now, in the back, Representative Kubik. They're tallying up to see how many times they've been called and we should be giving your report real soon. You know, it's tough when you're using your...the map. It's a little hard keeping up, but they are tallying up those numbers in the back right now."
"Well, we'll look forward to seeing those numbers. I'm sure they'll be interesting."
"Oh, I'm sure they will be. You know, especially on the anniversary of the great Chicago flood. I think this is prime time. We'd like to welcome Senator Rickey Hendon and Assistant Majority Leader, Senator Earlean Collins, to the House and Senator Trotter to the House. We'd like to welcome them.. The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. Perhaps, the...the weather is very bad outside and maybe the printing press is caught up. I've been trying to call 1524...since the 31st of March. Has that Amendment ever caught up with it? I mean, has that Amendment been printed and distributed?" 163 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Let me check with the Clerk, Representative, and see. What... Do you recall the Amendment number? I'm certain it's... Was that one, two, three or four?"
"I think it's one."
"Amendment 1?"
"I think, it's Floor Amendment 1."
"Mr. Clerk, is Amendment 1? What's the Bill Black: number again?" "...(House Bill) 2052, I think, but I could be mistaken."
"(House Bill) 2052? Amendment 1 has been printed, Representative."
"It hasn't been printed? But the...the basement of the... Is the printing press in the basement of this building?"
"Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We're a little confused."
"Perhaps they flooded out."
"There is no 2054, first of all."
"No 52."
"(House Bill) 2052."
"There is none?"
"No."
"Well, maybe that is why it hasn't been printed."
"I'm...I'm..."
"Let me get... Let me find that number. I'll get back to you."
"Yeah. You want to check on that, Representative."
"All right, thank you."
"Representative McPike, in the Chair."
"It's the intent of the Chair to adjourn at 7:45 or 8:00 p.m. Our intent... Our intent now is to go to Third Readings. Education, Third Reading. House Bill 77, 164 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Mr. Santiago. Mr. Lang. Mr. Lang. Mr. Hoeft. Mr. Hoeft here? Mr. Levin. Mr. Black, 171. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1..."
"Wait a minute. Mr. Black is not prepared. Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative Brunsvold and I are trying to work with the Illinois High School Association on this Bill. Hopefully, they'll be in contact with us before the week is over. If not, it's my intention to run the Bill, but I would like to work with the High School Association a day or two longer."
"Thank you very much for that speech. Representative Walsh. Walsh. Is a Representative Walsh here? I see him. Mr. Walsh, would you like to have 207 called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 207, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Walsh."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. What House Bill 207 does is it amends the School Code to allow vocational and technical education courses to serve...to serve as a substitute for required courses, and I would ask for its passage."
"Any discussion? Any discussion of the Gentleman's Bill? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Hays all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 108 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 207, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. 165 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Representative Rotello, 243. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 243, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Rotello."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 243 would have the state superintendent of education work with the Board of Higher Education in setting up an accreditation system for those students that are involved in tech-prep concept which is work place youth apprenticeship program, and I would ask for favorable consideration. This is a good...reform Bill for education and will get the education bureauracies working together on a credit system for passing these kids into higher ed."
"Any discussion? Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just went over about ten minutes ago and discussed this with Representative Rotello. It is my understanding that he has been working with the boa...the State Board of Education to see what needs...what would satisfy them about amending this Bill; and, since that is not yet decided, I would suggest that he might want to hold this Bill until he can get it amended so that it's in the condition that it needs to be in before it goes out of here."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are all 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 243, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 391, Representative Bugielski. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 391, a Bill for an Act to amend the 166 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Bugielski." April 13, 1993
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 391 is a...amends the School Code whereby all of the high schools in the city of Chicago, only, it only pertains to the city of Chicago would be closed campus. It is for the safety of the students. Most of the majority of the high schools in the city are closed campuses already and all this would be is saying that all the high schools in the city of Chicago would be closed campuses as a safety feature for the students."
"Mr. Black, on the Motion, 'do pass'."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, does the Chicago Board of Education the policy on this? I mean, a position?"
"They...you know, some are for, some are against. The Board itself doesn't like the idea because the...they feel that we're putting a mandate on the schools, but the... I'd say, almost three-fourths of the schools are closed campuses already."
"Okay. If you're going to take hundreds of thousands of students and put them in a closed campus, what's the Chicago Restaurant Association think about this?"
"Oh, I don't think they have a problem."
"Okay."
"Representative revin."
"Would the Gentleman yield?"
"Yes, he will."
"...Now, currently the policy, with respect to determination of closed campuses, is made by whom? For 167 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day each individual school?" Bugielski: of April 13, 1993 "It's up to the individual schools, the maj... A lot the schools have had it for five, six, ten years already. And you know, it's up to the individual schools and it's up to the principal and the local school council."
"So, right now that decision is made by the parents and the members of the local school council."
"It's not the parents. The parents, a lot of the parents of these children, would like to see it in a closed campus simply because of the problems that they are having. They are having drive by shootings going on and you're having the intruders coming into the school, whereby with a closed campus the students are not going out at lunch time getting high. And, as you are aware, the majority of the students that go out for lunch do not stay out for 45 minutes, they stay out for an hour-and-a-half, two hours or three hours."
"The decision now is made by the local school council. Is that...?"
"And the principal of the school."
"So, what you're intending by this legislation to do is to take away the perogative of the individual local school counsel to..."
"The majority of the local school councils have already gone with this, the others they just don't even want to tackle it."
"All right. Well, the majority that have already done this, this Bill Mouldn't affect, but on it's terms of those that have not made the decision not to go to closed campuses because maybe they're in a neighborhood where it's not necessary."
"They are not...matter of fact, there's a school in my 168 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 district where they've had three drive by shootings during lunch time while the students are outside."
"To the Bill."
"Mr. Speaker, it just seems to..."
"Mr. Levin. Turn him on."
"It just seems to me, you are... Mr. Speaker, that while we can stand here in Springfield, and take a nice overview in terms of what's going on that we put in place local school councils to look at the situation in their own individual schools and that we oughta to let them do their job and not second guess them in terms of this issue. It is an emotional issue but it's the...the reason why we have...the system of local school councils is to rely upon them in terms of making decisions that are appropriate to the individual school."
"Representative Bugielski, to close."
"Well, the main thing, the main reason is the safety of...for the students. We are trying to stop the drive by shootings, the gang activity and the drug dealing that is going on around the schools during the lunch time, and I ask for a favorable roll call."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 391 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Representative Turner, to explain his vote." Turner: to sit here "Yeah, thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, a couple of years ago, we passed school reform which allowed local school councils to make this decision and now we're going and start making decisions for them. If we were going to do that, then why did we give the power the parents and to the people who, in fact, will run those institutions? I think that this is a bad Bill. That decision ought to be left up to the local schools to 169 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 determine whether their campuses are opened or closed and I think that they do a great job at it, and I think we ought to have more red votes against this Bill on the board."
"Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there... On this Motion, there are 71 'ayes' and 35 'noes'. House Bill 391, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 392, Representative Giglio. Frank Giglio. House Bill 502, Representative Brunsvold. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 502, a Bill for an Act to...for an Act relating to education. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 502 is the elementary and secondary committee Bill. It contains a...a number of provisions, nine from the state board. It really is a cleanup Bill. Your analysis lists those nine cleanup items. We've also added to that...some words dealing with the Illinois Math and Science Academy language to straighten out the spending of some grant money. Those are the items that are contained on this Committee Bill and rather go through each item, I would...answer any questions, if anyone has any. I would ask for the passage of House Bill 502."
"All right. If there are any lobbyist in the press box, I would ask them to leave the floor. Is there any discussion of the Gentleman's Motion? Well, if there are any lobbyists in the...in the page box, we would ask them to leave. Representative Davis, on the Motion."
"Mr. Speaker, I have a question of the Sponsor. Representative Brunsvold, does this include the section where the...hearing officers don't have to have public 170 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 hearings for, ... you know, teacher certification hearings? That's not in there?"
"No, that's not in there."
"Thank you, Representative Brunsvold."
"That's not in there."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 107 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 502... House Bill 502, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On House Bill 505, Representative Curran. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 505, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Mr. Curran."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm joined in sponsorship on House Bill 505, with the Chairman and the Minority Spokesperson of the committees. This Bill does two things: It requires that the teachers qualification requirements, with respect to US citizenship, while they do not change in that they have to have a citizenship over six years. We do take out some old language that is no longer applicable; and then we, also, eliminate the requirement that the teachers rs pass an exam that is no longer particularly useful. It would cost us $150,000 to improve that exam, and I'm told that this is a...this Bill is a request from the state certification board, a group of teachers."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 505 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 171 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 102 'ayes' and 10 'noes'. House Bill 505, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 508, Representative Brunsvold. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 508, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Mr. Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ...(House Bill) 508 is another Committee Bill. We consolidated the pieces...some pieces of legislation in committee that were agreed to by both sides of the aisle. They contain issues by Representative von Bergin-Wessels, Cowlishaw, Kubik, Balanoff, Hannig and Lang; just to name a couple and...would ask for the passage of House Bill 508."
"Does anyone rise in opposition? Mr. Parke."
"Yes, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a quick explanation?"
"Yes. Yes."
"Representative, the title says 'religious beliefs'. In the makeup of all of the...combined ideas, was there anything that did affect religious beliefs in this legislation?"
"The addition of language that was agreed to by the state board, from Representative Lang, is included in the last...last Amend...or Amendment 3 to the Bill."
"Could you explain to me what that Amendment 3 is then?"
"...It deals with...with testing of students. Many of the Jewish students would miss...their tests and were...were not properly allowed to...to take these tests at certain intervals, and this Bill tried to address the language of...of them telling them they're going to be gone 172 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 on certain Jewish holidays and that they have the right to make up the tests and so on. The state board is looking at the language, in fact they created the language."
"Okay, and that's about all you're aware of that affects it?"
"Right."
"Thank you very much."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 508 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 110 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 508, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 521, Mr. Balanoff. House Bill 525, Representative Brunsvold. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 525, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Mr. Brunsvold."
"Where are we? Yes. (House Bill) 525 I'm sure most of you have received some letters on. This is a Bill that would eliminate and abolish the educational service centers. There are 14 of them in the state that we created in 1986 during the Reform Act. It's a layer of government that is providing services to the areas of the state. Also, we have regional superintendents that are out there in the state that are providing services also to the educational community. We have two layers of government here, and it was my feeling (along with the regional superintendents, as well as Representative Cowlishaw) that we don't need this double layer of government. We feel that an elected official working with local support would do the best job at delivering those services, if we had to 173 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 eliminate one section or one layer of...of government. We are not saying that the educational service centers don't do the job because they do the job that they are supposed to do. Those are good people working there. It's a fact that they are spending $7 million right now. If we went to one layer to provide the services we could save from $2.5 to $4 million of that, and over the next four years that could save a lot of money and we could put that into educational funds where we right now don't have the money. So this Bill would do that, would set up one delivery service with the regional superintendents would set up a program of...of advisory areas (six of them in the state operated under the regional superintendents) and would, as our budget indicates, would cut down on the layer of bureau...bureaucracy that we don't need, and I would ask for your support on House Bill 525 and would ask that Representative Cowlishaw close. I would answer any questions anyone would have."
"All right. Representative... Who rises in opposition? Representative Cowlishaw is going to close. So, who rises in opposition to this? Representative Weaver does."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, last year (if I recall correctly) there was a Bill in this chamber that did exactly the opposite that this Bill would purport to do. It would eliminate the regional superintendents which number, I think, 57 and leave the service centers which is, by your count, is 14. Why this year do we want to eliminate the smaller part of that bureaucracy and leave the larger part intact?" 174 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Representative, we're in a April 13, 1993 situation now where...where, of course, you know we have budget problems. Politically, are we going to support the service centers with a central superintendent here in Springfield that is going to deliver those services out of here where we have no input from elected officials locally, or are we going to go to the regional superintendents? This is a political issue. Are we going to eliminate the regional superintendents, or are we going to eliminate the service centers and try to combine those efforts? I think everyone agrees that we should combine those efforts. Politically, I don't think we can eliminate the regional superintendents. I think that elected official does the job and they...they should deliver the services; they have local support. Now...you...I guess, everyone in this room has to decide whether they're gonna support the regional superintendents or whether they want the service centers."
"Well, thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to the Bill. I've been on appropriations and, specifically, education appropriations ever since I've been here, and if our real intent is to save money, why not eliminate the largest part of the bureaucracy and work on improving the smaller part. We're doing exactly the opposite here. We're eliminating the smaller part of the bureaucracy that, by most accounts that I've received in the mail, is doing an excellent job and we're leaving the largest part in tact. I think, perhaps, we ought to rethink this issue and...probably not vote this out and look for a better compromise."
"Representative Edley."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly, I think that this is a very complicated question 175 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 that...that needs to have some more study, and so I would urge the Membership to either vote 'no' or 'present' in this. I don't think we've...certainly have not, through the appropriation process, ...had an opportunity to hear both sides, and I think that the...I think that this kind of initiative needs some more study."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I, too, rise in opposition to the Bill. Those of you who were here in 1985 may remember that the educational service centers were an important part of the school reform program of that era. Certainly, many regional superintendents do first rate work; unfortunately, some do not and those of you who were around a year or two ago will remember that, in fact, we abolished the regional superintendent in the County of Cook for the very reason that, though popularly elected, that official was clearly not up to the task. I think there is room for compromise here. There is room for cutting the double layers of bureaucracy, but I don't think that eliminating the educational service centers will be a service to the young people in many parts of the state. I think that we should vote against this Bill today, hope the discussions between the regional superintendents and the State Board of Education can help us fashion a plan that will help us save money, avoid duplication but make sure that youngsters are well and adequately served and that their school teachers are in every region in the State Illinois. of I urge you to vote 'no' on this Bill at this time."
"Representative Granberg moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the previous question be put?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' 176 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day have it, and the previous question is put. Cowlishaw, to close." April 13, 1993
Representative Cowlishaw: "Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill was debated extensively in committee. As a result of that debate, this Bill came out of the committee 28 to zero and was put on the Consent Calendar. There are a couple of basic principles involved in this Bill and, also, ongoing negotiations. Representative Brunsvold and I have been engaged in meetings, this very afternoon, to try to find a compromise position that will assure that we have good intermediate services and that they are delivered in an efficient way to the benefit of students throughout this state. This Bill does not include the County of Cook, only the other counties throughout Illinois. Representative Brunsvold and I are convinced that not only can we find a compromise position that will enable us to make this delivery system more efficient, but also be politically acceptable. We do not believe that you ought to replace someone who is elected by a bureaucrat and, basically, that's what this boils down to. One of the things that is being strongly considered is that we would reduce the number of regions so that, in fact, all of the goals that all of you have mentioned when you have stood here today and spoken to this issue would be accommodated. It is because we want to go on working on this and trying to come to that accommodation that I ask for your support, and Representative Brunsvold asks me also...asks you also, to join in supporting this Bill for the downstate area of Illinois and for an elected official rather than a state-appointed bureaucrat."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 525 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all 177 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 72 'ayes' and 28 'noes'. House Bill 525, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 658, Representative Currie. Miss Currie. Out of the record. Representative Brunsvold, 729. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 729, a Bill for an Act relating to teaching certificates. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can we move this back to Second for an Amendment? For purposes of an Amendment?"
"The Gentleman asks leave to return the Bill to Second Reading. Hearing no objections, leave is granted. The Bill's on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Brunsvold."
"Representative Brunsvold, Amendment 1."
"Hello. This Amendment...would...adds a section that was omitted in the original Bill, and I would ask for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'... Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? Representative is there any...the way I read this Amendment this is a fee increase. Correct?"
"A $10, yes. This is .this is a fee that was asked for by the teachers to improve the certification process."
"Are you speaking to the Amendment or the Bill?"
"This is the Amendment."
"The Amendment. All right. Thank you." 178 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"I'm just curious as to how most fee April 13, 1993 increases haven't seen the light of day around here for about a year."
"Well, we've got one here."
"Okay."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. This Bill will stay on Third Reading. House Bill 783, Mr. Brunsvold. Joe Brunsvold. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 783, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Mr. Brunsvold."
"Speaker, would you...would you take this out of the record. There's an Amendment has to be filed on."
"Out of the record. House Bill 916, Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Brunsvold. Turn him on, please."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We move this back to Second for purposes of an Amendment."
"All right. The Gentleman asks leave to return 916 to Second Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Bill's on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment 1, offered by Representative Brunsvold."
"Mr. Brunsvold."
"Okay. This Amend...the Amendment...clarifies the original Bill and moves the...the scholarships to the ISAC for their...under their jurisdiction."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment 1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it 179 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 963, Mr. Sheehy. She... Is the Gentleman here? Mr. Black, on 1032. Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Turn him on, please."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1032 amends the Illinois Open Meetings Act."
"Do you want to call this Bill?"
"Absolutely."
"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 1032, a Bill for an Act to amend the Open Meetings Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill simply treats community colleges in the same fashion that the law allows for school boards to meet in closed sessions for...self examination...to strengthen college and school board performance. It simply puts community colleges in the same playing field as school boards, and I ask your favorable consideration of 1032."
"Any discussion? Representative Granberg, on the 'do pass' Motion."
"Will the...the Gentleman yield?"
"Yes, he will."
"Representative Black, what is the need for the exemption? Where was the genesis of this idea?"
"The genesis is that the Community College Act does not permit a community college board to hold closed meetings with representatives of the associations of the community college boards for the purposes of self-evaluation. The Illinois School Code does allow that for school boards. ...In it...eThe genesis is we simply think the community 180 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 college board should be treated in the same fashion."
"Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1032 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Representative Davis, to explain her vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I received numerous pieces of mail asking that we be very careful when we amend the Open Meetings Act and do things that will close freedom of information doors. ...I think it's a bad move for us to vote for people to go behind closed doors and make professional decisions or decisions about what they are charged to do, especially when they are public boards. Thank you."
"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 88 'ayes' and 19 'noes'. House Bill 1032, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1195, Mr. John Dunn. Representative Lopez, 1305. Representative Erwin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 1323."
"House Bill 1323, a Bill for an Act to amend the College Student Immunization Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Erwin."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill will allow students in four-year colleges, who are commuting students and not residents of the university residence halls, to be exempt from a requirement for immunization that is equal to or has equal status to community college students. This Bill has been approved by the House in prior years. Representative Andy McGann has handled it in other Sessions, and it was unanimously approved by the Higher Education Committee, and 181 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 I seek your favorable roll call."
"Representative Weller, on 'do pass' Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Yes, she will."
"Representative, you had indicated that this legislation had been heard by the House before. Is this identical to legislation that has been heard four times by the House?"
"That's correct.”
"Is this also identical to the legislation that...died when there was an Override Motion on the Governor's Veto with only 36 votes back last November?"
"Well, I'm not sure of that but you may be correct."
"Well, to the Bill, Representative and Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. If you care about health care, if you're concerned about the health and well being of the students that reside in your district, I hope you'll listen to why I would urge you to vote 'no' on this legislation. Many of us are new, but in the five years that I've been here we've heard this Bill four times and it's failed to become law. Back in 1989 the reason that this immunization requirement was put into place was demonstrated. Many of you will remember that there was a massive outbreak, an epidemic of measles. In fact, there were almost 3300 cases of measles resulting in 14 deaths in Illinois involving many, many students. Illinois should not be retreating from preventive efforts that protect our young people from dangerous diseases such as measles. Commuting to school does not lessen the need for protection from infectious disease. If you look at the cases of mumps outbreaks at our colleges in the last few years, a third, 30% of those cases involve students who commuted to the 182 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day campus. April 13, 1993 The best vote is a 'no' vote or a 'present' vote. If you care about health care, if you want to protect the health and well-being of the students on the campus, don't exempt them from this immunization requirement. It's in their best interest. I urge a 'no' vote."
"Representative Moseley."
"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, this Bill is a permissive Bill. It does not automatically eliminate the immunization provisions for all commuter students. What it does is allow colleges who have large populations of commuter students to put those students on the same playing field that community colleges now enjoy. Currently, we have over 350,000 students attending community colleges that are not required to show proof of immunization. We are only requiring this of students that are attending four-year universities. This would say that in situations where the campus does not have a health service, cannot provide immunizations, but instead...is an only commuters population, they can opt to have the same benefit for their students that is currently given to community colleges. I ask for an 'aye' vote on this measure."
"Representative Levin."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes, she will."
"Representative, you mentioned Representative McGann's previous legislation. You were not in the Legislature when that legislation passed, correct? You are a freshman, correct?"
"Yes, I am."
"And is this your first Bill?"
"Yes, it is." 183 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day
"Thank you."
"Representative Erwin to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I...I think that I share Representative Weller's concern over the public health issues as they relate to this Bill and any other. I would only say that, if the state wants to have a policy dealing with commuter students, that we ought to develop a policy that is fair to, you know, students that are in...all commuter situations, including community colleges, including proprietary schools, including all other settings of a similar kind to require schools like DePaul, Loyola, Northwestern, many of which are in my district, to have an onerous burden of having to have adult students, many of whom are older, they're back to school, their immunization records are not readily available, and it's an undue burden on a commuter student that we now do not require of a community college student, and so I really do think that I would be happy to work with the Department of Public Health on a fairer policy that we could apply across the board; but, until that time I would ask for your favorable roll call."
"The question is 'Shall House Bill 1323 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 37 'ayes' and 70 'noes'. House Bill 1323, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1358, Representative Davis. Monique Davis. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
Third Clerk McLennand: "House Bill 1358, a Bill for an Act in relating to tuition-free education for unemployed citizens. Reading of the Bill." 184 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"Representative Davis."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1358 simply states that students who are unemployed can attend public universities where there is space available and not be charged with the...with the registration fees."
"Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The merit of the Bill notwithstanding, the fact is, that according to the estimates made by the Board of Higher Education, this Bill will cost community colleges $34,210, public universities $157,500, and in the field of graduate instruction, $377,660. Enough said."
"Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I've received a lot of correspondence in the last week about this Bill. They said be very careful about this Bill because you're gonna put every person in the State of Illinois that's unemployed in college. Now, there may not be anything wrong with that. There may not be a thing wrong with that. In fact, I'd like to see that happen, but Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, who's gonna pay the bill? If you read this very carefully, those students who are attending college and paying tuition, they're gonna to pay the bill. Holy toledo, as Harry Cary would say, we don't even fund the monetary assistance programs we have now. How many of your constituents, seriously, how many of your constituents have been notified that they're an Illinois merit scholar and should get a $500 award? We haven't funded that program in five years. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the underlying concept of this Bill I have no quarrel with. I'd like to 185 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 see everybody who is unemployed go back to school for retraining, but you're...this Bill creates some problems in the federal government, and I think it creates some problems in the Agreed Bill process on unemployment, I think it creates some major problems on how the Bill is to be paid for. I urge a 'no' vote; and Mr. Speaker, should this Bill get the requisite number, I would request a verification."
"Representative Davis, to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill does not cost the university one additional dime, and the reason it doesn't cost one additional dime is because it's only when space is available will students be permitted to enter that class. It does not say that the student has a new teacher, that another classroom is open, what this Bill says is where there is empty space in a room, a teacher is already there teaching. The doors of that class are already open, and where space permits...if we brought 10 or four more people into the Legislature, it wouldn't cost us another dime if they were sitting in a seat hearing the same things that you or I are hearing. It causes no additional money. What it does do, it says to those people who are unemployed in the State of Illinois that we care about you and you have an opportunity to get some training while you continue to receive your unemployment compensation. Currently, the law says, if you go to school at any time of the day, if you go to school and take any training, you cannot get unemployment compensation. What this Bill says is, you can get it. It doesn't mean you stop looking for work; you continue looking for work, and at the same time, if you can prepare yourself for future or different employment, the State of Illinois is in agreement with your doing that. I 186 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 beg of you to support this legislation in the interest and support of all of those people who are unemployed based upon the policies we've experienced in this state the last 16 years. I urge you to support those hungry people who can't find work, who want to work and give them an opportunity to go to school where there is space available without having to pay additional money and, it doesn't cost the tate one additional dollar."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1358 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Representative Wennlund, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I want you all to know that there is a major federal problem with this Bill. In order to collect unemployment insurance, you have to be available at all times for full-time employment. Now, how are you going to do that when you are going to school? That is a major problem with this Bill and another reason that it ought to be defeated."
"Representative Hicks."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. You know, the solution to this whole problem is that we ought to look at education in this state a little differently. We ought to talk about putting kids in school and making them eligible all the way through college, we ought to make tuition waivers, we ought to do away with tuition in the state and make sure our kids can go to four-years colleges in the state for everybody and make it available to everybody in the State of Illinois."
"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the Record. On this Bill...on this Motion, there are 35 'ayes', 76 'noes'. 187 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 House Bill 1358, having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1475, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 1652, Representative von Bergen-Wessels. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1652, a Bill for an Act relating to general state aid for school districts. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative von Bergen-Wessels." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1652 restores to downstate schools the deferred payment that was lost in fiscal year 1992. Beginning with the current fiscal year, the double general state aid payment in June and no payment in July for downstate schools would make the general state aid payment deferral, enacted with Senate Bill 45 temporary rather than permanent. These were funds that were taken from our school with no provision to restore them, and I would urge your passage of this Bill."
"All right. On the 'do pass' Motion, Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think it is extremely important for any Representative whose district is not in the City of Chicago to understand precisely what this Bill does. Let us put aside for a moment what it does for downstate schools because the critical thing that this Bill does...it was amended in committee to add the provision that the state aid payment made to the Chicago school district in August, as well as the payment made in July, is for the previous school year. If this becomes the law, the state will be obligating itself to the Chicago school district in an amount equal to one-sixth of the district's annual state 188 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 aid entitlement, and for the current school year, that amount..."
"Excuse me, excuse me, Representative von Bergen-Wessels." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems that we have a question. Could I take this Bill out of the record for now?"
"Yes. The Bill's out of the record. von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you."
"Representative Novak, on 1763. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1763, a Bill for an Act relating to school funding. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Mr. Novak."
"Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Speaker, please. Temporarily."
"The Bill's out of the record. House Bill 1932, Mr. Phelan. Jim Phelan. Out of the record. Mr. Turner, 2027. Mr. Turner here? Bugielski. Representative Bugielski, 2062. Bugielski. Representative Persico. Representative Flowers, 2249. Mary Flowers. Representative Flowers, do you want to call your Bill? All right. House Bill 2249. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2249, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Flowers."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2249 merely states that the superintendent of education shall evaluate to the extent to which public schools, elementary and high schools are providing multi-cultural education, and I move for the passage of House Bill 2249." 189 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"And on the Ladies Motion, Cowlishaw."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. April 13, 1993 Representative I...I rise with the greatest respect for this Sponsor, and I know this Sponsor to be a very, very fine person. However, I rise in opposition to this Bill because of the fact that the current evaluation system, apparently, is acceptable insofar as determining that districts are meeting the state mandates in subjects such as english, mathematics, science and other subject matter, but apparently what this implies is that we need a special evaluation process to make certain the curriculum mandates concerning multi-cultural education are being met. I would suggest to you that the assessment and the evaluation system that we already have for the major subjects, including reading, is probably quite appropriate and that this Bill is not needed and for that reason I stand in opposition to it."
"Representative Flowers, to close."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to the last speaker: It was as a result of a conversation that I heard you on the radio that made me think of this legislation. You made mention of the fact that had the students been in school they would have known more about Rosa Park and who did what as far our history is concerned, and I think that this legislation here should be on the same footing as english, reading, writing and arithmetic because we live in a very diverse community. It's most important that we have a respect and understanding for each one of our nationalities, and I think by having this mandated in the schools that this would move a step forward in that direction, and I would urge for the passage of House Bill 2249." 190 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 47 'ayes' and 64 'noes'. House Bill 2249, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority, ...Representative Flowers."
"Mr. Speaker, would you please put this on Postponed Consideration?"
"Yes. Postponed Consideration. Agriculture and Conservation, Third Reading. House Bill 182, Representative Parcells. Representative Parcells. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 182, a Bill for an Act to amend the Impounding and Disposition of Stray Animals Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Parcells."
"Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Unlike what the sign says, this really has nothing to do with stray dogs anymore. It did in original form but now what it does is it cleans up the statutes. There was a provision in the statutes to take care of stray dogs by the Department of Public Health. For years they have not been doing this because in 1965 the federal government took over and the Department of Agriculture now takes care of that with the federal government, so in our Legislative Audit Commission we kept...criticizing Public Health for not taking care of this part of the statute...they said it doesn't even apply to us anymore; we really wish it was gone. So, we studied it very carefully and discovered that we do not need this in the statute anymore, so we'd like to remove this particular section of the statute since it is 191 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 not any longer significant nor does anybody pay any attention to it, and maybe we can make those statute books down to less than seven volumes if we get rid of some of this that is no longer applicable. I would ask for your 'aye' vote on this legislation."
"Representative Granberg."
"Thank you. Would the Representative yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative Parcells, I'm looking at the Amendment. So, this would remove that language. Does this have any impact on any...experiments that might be conducted by licensed...licensed institutions to do experiments?"
"No. That is now covered by Agriculture under three different Acts that they have. The care of animals, stray animals...they have three different Acts in the Department of Agriculture, and they take care of all of them; however, what it does do in federal law, is any place that is licensed to either produce animals for the experimentation or doing the experimentation must be licensed with the federal government. That's why this is no longer applicable because the Department of Public Health no longer does it."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Anything further, Mr. Granberg? The question is, 'Shall House Bill 182 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Mr. Hartke, to explain his vote. Mr. Hartke, your microphone is on."
"Thank you very much. I would like to explain my vote. I think...I think I was going to take a look at this piece of legislation. I think we had a Bill that...that talked about experiments and so forth and this Bill will disallow using animals for any type of experiment, and I would think 192 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 that many people ought to take a second look at this piece of legislation. I'm gonna vote 'no', and I...I would encourage many of you to also vote 'no'."
"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 84 'ayes' and 15 'noes'. House Bill 182, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 666, Mr. Granberg. Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Brunsvold back again. 1552. Consumer Protection, Third Reading. Representative Schakowsky, 698. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 698, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code, Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Schakowsky."
"Thank you, Speaker. House Bill 698 is a Bill that would protect consumers from inadvertently buying a resold lemon without knowing about it. This legislation has been agreed to by the American Automobile Manufacturers Association and the Illinois New Car and Truck Dealers Association, which agrees that consumers should get written information that this car was returned to the manufacturer for...and list the reasons why and that it has been repaired and it is now fit to be sold. This is consumer disclosure information. As far as I know, there are no opponents to this legislation, and I urge your 'aye' vote."
"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall House Bill 698 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are lll 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 698, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 779, Representative Wojcik. 193 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 40th Legislative Day Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 779, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act of 1934. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Wojcik."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 779 amends the provisions of the Liquor Control Act exempting hotels and clubs from the prohibition against selling liquor at retail at any premises that have access to public dwelling or lodging facilities in the same building. It provides that the exemption also applies to wineries that have bed and breakfast lodging facilities. I ask for its favorable passage."
"On the Motion, Representative Granberg."
"Representative Wojcik, how many businesses are impacted by this?"
"One."
"Oh."
"In my district."
"Where is that business located?"
"It's in Roselle and it's called the Lynn-Fred winery which will soon be the Lynn-Fred bed and breakfast."
"Okay. Thank you."
"Would you like to close, Representative Wojcik?"
"Yes, I think that we are all going to be invited to participate at Lynn-Fred winery after they open, so I ask that we all vote 'yes', so you get your invitation."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 779 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 110 'ayes' and O 'nays'. House Bill 779, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1017, 194 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Representative Schakowsky. Schakowsky. Clerk. Out of the record. April 13, 1993 Read the Bill, Mr. Representative Ronan, 1379. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1379, a Bill for an Act to amend the Travel Promotion Consumer Protection Act. this Bill."
"Representative Ronen."
Third Reading of Ronen: "Yes, Speaker. This Bill amends the Travel Promotion Consumer Protection Act and just adds a travel promoter to be one and to include land...travel over land or navigable streams. It is supported by the Attorney General's Office. I don't believe that there is any opposition to this Bill. I urge passage."
"Any discussion? The question is 'Shall House Bill 1379 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much. There seemed to be some unrest on your side of the aisle. I don't like to see that. It's my job to keep us together here as much as I can, but somebody whispered to my..." Speaker McPike: to "Send Mr. Park over to take care of it. Yeah."
"Somebody said that this had something do with riverboat gambling. Well, there's no riverboats in my area, so I'm not sure what we're promoting here. one in yours? All right, good enough for me."
"Mr. Churchill, to explain his...switch. Is there Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 110 'ayes' and 3 'noes'. House Bill 1379, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1679, Representative McAfee. Out of the record. House Bill 1928, Mr. Currie. Out of the 195 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 record. Representative Bugielski, 1941. Bugs. (House Bill) 1941. Out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, 2006. Schakowsky. (House Bill) 2006. Civil Justice, Third Reading. House Bill 69, Representative Dart. Representative Murphy, 121. Mr. Murphy. Gentleman here? Mr. Murphy. Mr. Murphy. I got the wrong Murphy, I'm sorry. Representative Murphy. Want to call the Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 121, a Bill for an Act to create a civil action for injuries caused by the illegal sale and distribution of cannabis or controlled substances. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Murphy."
"Yes. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 121 is a new Act; it creates the Illegal Drug Sale and Distribution Liability Act. It creates a cause of action on behalf of a person injured by a person under the influence of cannabis or a controlled substance against a person who illegally sold or distributed the illegal substance. Also, makes the person owning, renting leasing or permitting the occupation of a building or premises, with the knowledge that a cannabis is a controlled substance illegally sold or given together with the seller, giver of illegal drugs. If the premises belong to a minor person under guardianship, the guardian shall be liable instead of the ward. This Bill has been amended and removes any of the amounts of recovery that were listed in the original Bill. I move passage of this Bill...the speaks... This Bill will address the illegal drug-landlord trade that has sprung up with the industry that has been created by drug sales. Any reputable realtor, which I have one, is in favor of this legislation 196 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 because cute little crack houses only diminish the value of property and this will help landlords with which to go after their drug tenants. I move passage of this Bill. Thank you for your consideration."
"Mr. Dart, on the 'do pass' Motion."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, I believe the way this Bill is presently written it has numerous technical flaws, a couple of which could lead to some constitutional problems. One that jumps out at me is on page 2, line 17 where they talk about actions to determine damages. It refers to juries; I believe it probably should be juries and the courts. I also believe that on numerous other instances the language is written in such a fashion where this may have some constitutional infirmities."
"Did you want to respond?"
"I...I think we might want to pull this one out of the record if you wouldn't mind, and we could talk about some Amendments on this one."
"No. If I can address the questioner. At this time, we are speaking to the merits of this legislation as what we've seen, our court system...are ready and available and in place to determine questions of constitutionality. This...this Bill, I will have you know, after much testimony, was approved by a full attendance roll call out of Judiciary II."
"Representative Murphy. Representative Murphy, you will have a chance to close. You will have an opportunity to close. The question is, would you like to answer the Gentleman's question?"
"I thought I did." 197 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993
"All right. Mr. Dart, further questions?"
"Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. The Bill as it stands right now, not only does it contain numerous constitutional infirmities and also some technical errors, the thrust of the Bill also has some problems in the fact that the way it's written, you could have landlords who through gang intimidation and so on and so forth are going to be held liable under this Act. The Act itself also has problems with the concept that the sellers involved here are going to have the money that you are going to go after the...attempt to go after them in this instance? There's numerous problems with this Bill, in its present form now it should not be voted on. It should be voted a 'no' vote on this."
"Representative Homer."
"Question for the Sponsor."
"Yes. She'll yield."
"Initially, I believed that the trial lawyers had...a concern about the Bill but you put an Amendment on in committee which lifted the caps. Is that correct?"
"That's correct."
"So, what happened then was that there was no party in opposition to your Bill at that time?"
"It's been my understanding there's been no opposition."
"And, in fact, it's my understanding that, the...with the Amendment, that the trial lawyers actually supported your Bill because what you did then was create a statutory cause of action...on behalf of those who are injured as a result or suffer damages as a result of drug transactions. Is that correct?"
"Yes."
"All right. Then, Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. This is one 198 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 of those Bills that started out to have some objection in committee...not because it gave a cause of action, but because she had established caps on the amount of recovery. Through discussions with the Bar Association, the trial lawyers, it was determined that if she would remove the caps, that we could all support the Bill. So, while I respect the comments of the Gentleman on this side, I respectfully disagree and think that we should go ahead and pass the Bill."
"Representative Dunn."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield for question?"
"Yes, she will."
"Is the Illinois Association of Realtors in support of this legislation?"
"The realtors that I have been in contact with are in compliance."
"No, the question is, 'Is the Illinois Association of Realtors in support of this legislation?'"
"The only person I know that is not supporting it is Greg St. Aubin. I have contacted my realtor board and they are in favor. I am a dues-paying member."
"That doesn't answer the question. Mr. St. Aubin does represent the Illinois Association of Realtors. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I'm not surprised at that opposition because if I understand the Bill, I'm basing my comments upon the synopsis. I don't have the Bill in front of me at the moment, but it does provide for liability if the owner of premises knows that illegal drugs have been sold or possessed there. As a matter of fact, listen to this scenario: The owner is innocent, doesn't know what's going on, and reads in the newspaper that illegal...drugs are 199 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 being sold in the owner's premises. Then, according to this Bill, the owner has knowledge and the owner should be personally liable. This is a flawed concept, and I would recommend that we grind this Bill to a halt; and, if we're going to do this, let's do it right so we protect the innocent people and convict the guilty. I would urge a 'no' vote on this Bill, at this time."
"Representative Tim Johnson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I think everybody should...set aside the rhetoric on this and look to see what this Bill really does. We have in force now in Illinois and have for probably this entire century something called the Dram Shop Act, that under certain circumstances makes the seller of alcoholic liquor and the owner of the building liable to people who are damaged as the result of the sale of alcohol. All this Bill does in exactly that form is to take the Dram Shop Act and apply it over without the caps to the sellers of illegal narcotics. Now, if it's appropriate public policy, and apparently it is, to have a Dram Shop Act as we do in Illinois and to say that the sellers of alcohol and the owners of that building are responsible to people who are injured as a result of the consumption of alcohol and damages caused, what is unreasonable about Representative Murphy's Bill, to say that the seller of illegal drugs ought to be liable when the sale of drugs causes somebody to be injured or damaged or otherwise affected in the same way that the Dram Shop Act would be. Liquor is legal, most...narcotics are not legal, and yet current law allows them an escape route so that the drug dealers and that the owner of the drug houses can escape liability, notwithstanding that people under the influence of narcotics can go out and kill people, maim 200 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 them, damage their property and otherwise. That's all this Bill does. It's exactly in the same form that the Dram Shop Act is except it doesn't have a limit. It says if you're a drug dealer or the owner of a crack house and you happen to cause $400,000 worth of damage because some crazed person under the influence of drugs goes out and gets in an accident and hurts somebody, why shouldn't they be liable? That's all this Bill does. If there's a constitutional problem with this, and I'm sure that there isn't, then there's certainly a constitutional problem with the Dram Shop Act that we've been operating under for the last hundred and some years. I urge a strong support for Representative Murphy's simple attempt to say what's good for alcohol sellers is also good for drug dealers."
"Representative Lang."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a very poor and flawed Bill. Firstly, let's not discount Representative Dart's comments. On page 2, line 17 it says on every action under this Act the jury shall determine the amount of damages. So, either this is saying that no judge can hear these cases or that, when a judge is hearing them, the judge can't determine the amount of damages. So, strictly on a technical basis, this Bill is not ready for a Third Reading vote. So, on that basis alone, we should defeat the Bill but let's go into the merits. This Bill would say that a landlord might have a cause of action against him or her if someone in their building is selling drugs. Now, what do you want the landlord to do? Do you want the landlord to evict these people so they can move into someone else's building and do the same thing so that that landlord will then have to evict the persons so they can go to another building and do the same thing? It goes around and around 201 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 and around. It's not the landlord's responsibility to clean out his building. It's not the landlord's responsibility to see to it that every tenant in his building conforms to whatever code of conduct we think they should conform to, whether or not they are violating the law. This Bill, as it's written now, would allow a cause of action against a landlord and make that landlord go into court and defend him or herself on the basis of somebody else saying, 'Well, you knew they were doing drugs; you knew they were a dealer; you know that they are violating the law and you should have evicted that person.' It makes no sense whatsoever to put the landlord under that type of burden. We should not tell owners of property that they have these responsibilities. Vote 'no'."
"About a half hour ago, at the request of some Members, the Chair asked the lobbyists to leave the House floor because he was sitting in the page seats. Now, Mr. Broadway, would you leave the House floor? Representative Stephens."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Homer seems to be the voice of reason on that side of the aisle this evening. As to the Gentleman from Decatur, who I think is a lawyer, you know that something you read in the paper is not proof of knowledge of anything; as to the Gentleman from Skokie, yes, we believe that a landlord who knows that drugs are being sold in his property ought to evict that person and they ought to be evicted from the next piece of property that they use. You are trying to say that all the good landlords out there are going to be in trouble. That is not the case. This Bill is directed at those people who absolutely have knowledge that something's going wrong, that laws are being broken, and that's what this Bill is 202 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 about. This is really a simple issue. If you think that we ought to try to dry up some of the sources of drugs, we ought to crack down on crack houses, we ought to be tough on criminals and try to address a public policy...through public policy an issue of tremendous social significance here in Illinois, then we ought to vote 'yes' for this Bill. If you want to hide behind some question of whether or not there might be constitutional questions about this Bill, go ahead and hide behind it, but know well that back in your districts the people are going to know that, if you're not willing to get tough on criminals, the voters are going to get tough on you. It's time to pass a Bill like this, it makes good sense. Representative Homer, thank you for the common sense you're trying to inject on that side of the aisle."
"Representative Murphy, to close."
"Thank you. I apologize to any Members that may have had some miscommunications from my association that I have been a Member of for 18 years. I would like to reiterate that it's with painstaking help from Representative Homer, who is Chair of Judiciary II, Representative Tim Johnson. We have tried to the best of all of our ability, along with the trial lawyers, to craft some sane legislation that will assist in the war against drug landlords. We are not talking about innocent property owners of which I am one, I am a rental agent; we are talking about...if you know there are slum landlords, you do not have to take a quantum leap of faith to know there are drug landlords who prey on communities and who are to be responsible for who they put in their buildings. I do have the support of those groups. The realtors never witnessed in the two times this was before posted for Judiciary II. I had a unanimous decision 203 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 out of Judiciary II in favor of this legislation, as amended, by Tim Johnson. This will give, as Representative Johnson mentioned, a Dram Shop Act against illegal illicit drugs that are taking a toll on all of your districts. I would, also, point out owners already are responsible if someone trips on their property. They certainly should be responsible for renting parts of their property out to drug dealers. I urge consideration of this. I hope there has been no miscommunication. Thank you Representative Homer and the trial lawyers for speaking on behalf of this. Thank you Tim Johnson and your help in amending it. I urge consideration and a 'yes' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 121 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Representative Brady, to explain his vote."
"Mr. Speaker, thank you. I vote 'no' on this vote, with some regret. We have serious drug problems in this state and they need to be handled, but I am seriously worried about...what we are doing to private property rights in this state if we pass this. This needs more... much more study, if we're to pass it. Thank you."
"Representative Hartke."
"Well, thank you very much. Now, I own a piece of property in Clay County and I rent out a space down there; and you're telling me that 25 miles down the road if...if the person that's living in that trailer happens to be doing drugs, I could be responsible for that? Absolutely not, and I object."
"Representative Morrow."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I might be wrong, but didn't we pass a Bill about two or three years ago that dealt...if a landlord allowed 204 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 drugs to be sold in his building that...that it would be seized? So, if that's already in law...public Act, why...why do we need House Bill 121? The building can be seized if he allows drugs to be sold, so why do we need this?"
"Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A lot of you have not looked at the Bill. Let me tell you, the only time somebody is liable who owns or rents or leases is with knowledge that cannabis or a controlled substance is being illegally sold or delivered or if he knowingly permits the illegal sale. It's only with knowledge, so no, you wouldn't be liable. This is only a civil action. No criminal penalties here at all. It's only a civil action, and it's only if the landlord or the owner has knowledge."
"Representative Levin."
"I could support the Bill, except let me raise the situation that troubles me. Under current law, the landlord, if they find out that a tenant is selling drugs can evict that tenant. If you've got an eviction action pending because you're concerned about your tenant, under this Bill you could be held liable even though you're doing everything you could to get that tenant off your premises. I don't think in that situation the landlord should be liable, because they found out and they're doing what they can."
"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 77 'ayes' and 22 'noes'. House Bill 121, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 246, Representative Currie. 205 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 246, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act of 1975. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is a Bill that would provide the opportunity for parents to provide before their death for the opportunity to help determine what will happen to their children and whose care their children will find themselves after the death of a parent. The Bill, essentially, provides for the standby guardianship opportunity, and I've worked closely with Members of the Judiciary Committee to make sure that the Bill is in good shape. I have strong support from the Department of Children and Family Services, the Cook County Public Guardians Office, the AIDS and Children Family Network and many other organizations, advocacy organizations across the state. I'd be happy to answer your questions and would appreciate your support for the Bill."
"Mr. Black, on a 'do pass' Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Yes."
"Just an inquiry of the Chair. Our file shows two Floor Amendments on this Bill. Were they withdrawn, were they passed; are they on the Bill or not? Floor Amendment 2 or 3."
"Mr. Clerk?
"Floor Amendment number 2 and 3 are on the Bill."
"Floor Amendments 2 and 3 have been adopted, is that correct?"
"Yes, they have been adopted." 206 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Mr. Black, did you hear? April 13, 1993 The question is, 'Shall House Bill 246 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the Record. On this Motion, there are 108 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 246, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 323, Representative Hoffman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 323, a Bill for an Act to amend the Third Reading of this Bill."
Adoption Act. Speaker McPike: "Mr. Hoffman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is a common sense Bill that a lot of people would think wouldn't be needed but it is needed greatly in the State of Illinois. Basically, what this says is that there would be a presumption of unfitness if a person is convicted of first or second degree murder of a parent of the child to be adopted. It would take away that person's right to determine where that individual child should go. This comes from a case that happened near my district, and it has sparked some interest throughout the state and there are more cases that this applies to than people would think. I ask for an 'aye' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 323 pass?' All those in favor... Mr. Black."
"Thank...thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, what is the genesis of this Bill?"
"Basically, what has happened is there...there's a particular case in our area where an individual murdered his wife. That individual now is serving time; however, 207 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 the question of who is to care for that child is still up in the air. Presently, under current law that individual would have a say-so...would have a say-so as to into what happens with that child. We believe that he should be declared unfit, should not have a say-so into who raises that child. This would say that this would presume the unfitness; and, therefore, he wouldn't have that say-so."
"I appreciate your patience. Thank you very much, Representative."
"Representative von Bergen-Wessels." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes." von Bergen-Wessels: "How would this effect the situation of a...a battered wife who may have been convicted of murder and not yet attained clemency?"
"That's why it is only a presumption that can be overcome by that case. That's why we only put the presumption because of that specific case and did not just make a wholesale finding on fitness." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 323 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 323, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 356, Mr. Burke. Representative Burke. Out of the record. Representative Santiago, 360. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 360, a Bill for an Act in relation to the offense of criminal damage to property. Third 208 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Santiago."
"Mr. Speaker, can you bring the Bill back to Second Reading..."
"Yes. The Gentleman asks to return the Bill to Second Reading. Leave is granted. The Bill is on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, any Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Homer."
"Mr. Homer."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This was an Amendment that was agreed to in committee, in House Judiciary II, that would change some language that was mandatory and make it permissive in terms of imposing mandatory..."
"Mr. Clerk, is...is the Amendment printed?"
"The Amendment's not printed."
"No, it's not printed."
"I would ask the Gentleman to take the Bill out of the record."
"Representative Santiago? Out of the record. The Bill stays on Second Reading. Representative Cowlishaw, 443. Cowlishaw. Representative Blagojevich, 543. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 543, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961, Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Blagojevich."
"This is a Bill that...would set up a safety zone within 1000 feet of a school with regard to pornographic material. It means that you cannot sell, display or exhibit or disseminate pornographic material, again within 1000 feet of a school. It passed the Judiciary II Committee 16 - 0. We are confident of success, we feel 209 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 that only extreme civil libertarians or those who are susceptible to the pornographic lobby would vote against it, SO we would urge a 'yes' vote notwithstanding my freshman status."
"Representative, are you finished?"
"Yes."
"Gentleman moves Do Pass. Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Can you tell the Ladies and Gentlemen of the House what harmful materials this Bill would prevent anyone from distributing in the safe school zone?"
"Yes. Harmful materials as is presently defined in the statute with regard to...pornography. The definition comes from the constitutional law definition. I don't have it in front of me, but it's already in the Illinois... Criminal Code. This is only an extension, SO the definition of harmful materials remains what it is already in the law."
"And what is that? There's no free speech issues?"
"No, there isn't. I'll dig this Bill out for you and read it. Okay. Harmful materials is defined as: 'Material is harmful if to the average person applying contemporary standards, its predominant appeal taken as a whole is to prurient interests that is a shameful or morbid interest in nudity, sex or excretion which goes substantially beyond customary limits of candor and description or representation of such matters and is material the redeeming social importance of which is substantially less than its prurient appeal'."
"Thank you very much." 210 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
April 13, 1993 "The question is 'Shall House Bill 543 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are lll 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 543, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 675, Representative Giglio. Out of the record. Representative Mautino, 677. Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 677, a Bill for an Act to require the Department of State Police to establish a child safe house program. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Mautino."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill creates the Child Safe-House Program. It's patterned after the McGruff Safe-House Program being implemented right now in 17 other states. This extends the...what it says to a community if you want to develop a safe-house program, it will set the guidelines. It tells you exactly how to set it up. It is not a mandate, and it is designed to offer the children a safe refuge in time where they may be frightened or they may be in danger. It requires background checks and renewals and the Bill has been amended to take...to correct some technical errors so that the state police can go ahead and perform the evaluations and background checks, as they are currently doing. If a community has a Safe-House program in place which requires background checks, they are exempted. I would ask for an 'aye' vote on this and be happy to answer any questions."
"On the Motion, Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Inquiry of the Chair. First of all, Amendment number 1 and 2 are both on the 211 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Bill?"
"Mr. Clerk?"
April 13, 1993 "Amendments 1 and 2 are on the Bill."
"All right. Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, under Amendment #2, correct me. Individuals convicted of the Cannabis Act could not participate in this program, but if I read the Amendment correctly and remember the discussion, if you're convicted under the federal offense involving illegal manufacture, sale or possession of a controlled substance, you can or cannot participate in the program?"
"Okay. The Amendment which was brought forward by the state police puts it in...it conforms to their background check, so you cannot have been convicted under the Cannabis Act, and this will do a background check only in the State of Illinois. It does not do a federal check. We would have to go into the National Crime Information Center, which requires a fingerprinting check and the cost was prohibitive, according to the State Police of about $23 per person per person over the age of 13, so they're conforming background checks."
"That's what I was concerned about. You said something about...this was like a McGruff, the crime dog program."
"As a matter of fact, it is patterned identically to the McGruff crime dog program. The reason it's chosen is because 95% of the children out there recognize McGruff as the...'take a bite out of crime', and it is a safe refuge for them to go to."
"That concerns me because didn't we just pass Representative Parcell's Bill that says stray dogs like 212 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 McGruff can't wander around? Now what are we going to do?"
"Well, if they're in danger..."
"Mr. Weaver, on the Bill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Following that line of questioning, not necessarily the stray dogs, but why would we want to compete with McGruff if that is such a recognizable symbol?"
"This is...this will use the McGruff symbol."
"But that is a copyrighted symbol. Currently, right now when we place this into statute in the Bill itself, the reference is to the McGruff Safe-House Program, and I've worked with the McGruff people in Utah where it's centered. This Bill originally came from McGruff, and it is patterned exactly after the Commonwealth of Virginia law, which requires the same steps and uses the same McGruff symbol. It also saves us money because we do not have to go in and develop a different sign system, for example, like the helping hand that is out there or the blue star program; it's a universally acceptable symbol."
"So, does this mean that we will not be required to pay royalties to the McGruff people? We simply take the use of their symbol?"
"On that, the signs for this program... It's administered at the local level. The local law enforcement agencies contact the McGruff central headquarters which is in Utah. The signs are available at a cost of $1.50 on the paper and $2.50 for the regular...for the vinyl. They're purchased at the local level, and...we do not have to be... It is my understanding we are not involved in copyrights at all."
"But if we use their signs, are not legally bound to pay their fees?" 213 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day We 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 date. Therefore, in order to stay in effect with the federal government, we would like to change this to ten calendar days that they have to pay, and if they do not pay in ten calendar days, they will have the same penalty of $100 per day for the days that they are late. This came out of the...committee unanimously, and I would ask for your 'aye' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 840 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 104 'ayes' and 5 'noes'. House Bill 840, having received the Constitutional Majority, is here by declared passed. House Bill 999, Representative Currie. Representative Leitch, 1004. Mr. Kubik, 1010. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. No. Out of the record. Mr. Black, 1012. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1012, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As amended, I know of no opposition to this Bill. It amends the Juvenile Court Act. It simply says that when DCFS has appointed a guardianship by a court order of a minor, that the court order must state that the guardianship is consent to health care and mental health services for said minor. Be glad to answer any questions you have. Ask for affirmative vote."
"The question, is 'Shall House Bill 1012 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 109 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 1012, having received 215 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative von Bergen-Wessels, you had a request earlier. What was that?" von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be recorded...the record to reflect that I would've been a 'yes' vote on 779."
"The record will so reflect." von von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you."
"Representative Homer, 1029. Tom Homer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1029, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Homer."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. The...In 1992 the voters approved, overwhelmingly the Crime Victims Right Constitutional Amendment, which provided in part that crime victims have the right to restitution. The Amendment, also, directed the General Assembly or authorized us to implement by statute the affectation of that Amendment. This Bill would, in fact, provide that it is a right and that...of victims to receive restitution and that the court shall order restitution to victims who have suffered personal injury or property damages, as a result of the crime being committed upon them. So, the Bill implements the Crime Victims...Constitutional Amendment, and I would move its adoption."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1029 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 1029, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. 216 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 Representative Currie, 1091. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1091, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill codifies an Appellate Court opinion and establishes the procedures by which evidence with respect to Battered Spouse Syndrome can be introduced at trial in a criminal case. I know of no opposition and would be happy to answer your questions."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1091 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 1091, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1094, Representative Laurino. (House Bill) 1109 Laurino. (House Bill) 1154, Representative Leitch. Mr. Leitch. Mr. Turner. Mr. Dart, 1189. Mr. McAfee, 1219. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1219, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. McAfee."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1219 amends the Code of Civil Procedure and it...permits the trial court in its discretion to hear determine a defendants dispositive motion; basically, if it's filed before the plaintiff Section 12-2-1009 motion. This was an initiative of the Chicago Bar Association, and it is permissive. I know of no opposition, and I urge your support." 217 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
April 13, 1993 "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1219 pass?' Representative Wennlund, on the Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?
"Yes, he will."
"Representative, exactly what changed this... Does this bring Illinois law into compliance with some Supreme Court McAfee: decision?" "Essentially, it's permissive Representative, and what it permits is that after the court has taken number of months and years of discovery and trial preparation, it allows the court, prior to any filing of a plaintiff's motion, to hear a motion for some rejudgement or dismissal. It also allows the court proceedings to continue."
"Where does the Illinois Bar Association stand on this issue? Do you know?"
"Well, they were supportive of it at the time of the testimony before the committee; and as I indicated to you earlier, it was an initiative Association and they put a slip testimony." Wennlund: of the Chicago Bar in at the time of the "Well, current law allows a...as long as there's no counter-claim filed, current law will allow a client to go in and file the motion for voluntary dismissal, and it's done. This would change that so that a plaintiff would not have the ability to go in and file a motion for a voluntary dismissal?"
"Not so. They would always have the opportunity to file a motion for a voluntary dismissal, but if there's already a pending motion for some rejudgment, it allows the court, permissively, to hear and decide that issue as opposed to going through another four or five years of trial time in preparation." 218 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993
"Well. So, if there's a motion for some rejudgment pending..."
"Prior to a motion for a voluntary dismissal."
"Prior to filing the motion for voluntary dismissal?"
"That is correct."
"But had not been heard."
"Well, I can't...I can't determine the procedure of the trial court at this point, but the idea is that if there is a motion for a summary judgment or a motion for a judgment on the pleadings, prior to a plaintiff's filing a voluntary dismissal motion, the court would have the opportunity to hear that motion and any cross-claims or counter-claims would also be allowed to continue. It's fine to say, of course, the opportunity...the plaintiff to have his case heard, but also allows for defendant's dispositive motion to be heard by the court."
"Does this also change the law with respect to... Currently the law, I believe, is that if there is a counter-claim pending, the plaintiff cannot go in...and take a voluntary dismissal. Is that correct?"
"Well, as...as I pointed out in my initial comments, any counter-claims or cross-claims would continue, irrespective of the ruling on the dispositive motion. That's part of...part of the Bill."
"All right. Thank you very much."
"Representative Biggert."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? The Supreme Court case was decided when?"
"I didn't indicate that there was a Supreme Court decision."
"I thought that there was a...Supreme Court decision, based on...that this law was based on." 219 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
April 13, 1993 "I'm not speaking to that Bill, Representative."
"Okay.
Thank you." "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1219 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 70 'ayes' and 43 'noes'. House Bill 1219, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Leitch, 1154. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1154, a Bill for an Act to Amend the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Leitch."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1154 is a Bill that is a DCFS Bill. It's a Bill that is necessary to make the process work more smoothly. When DCFS goes to remove a child from a home, it has to come with it written material and findings and a good deal of information. Often the judge fails to check the box on the form which does not establish that he had actually seen it, and so what this Bill does is create the presumption that DCFS has done a...an investigation before it has come before the court. I ask a favorable roll call."
"The question... Representative Granberg on the Motion 'do pass'."
"Representative Leitch, is there an Amendment filed to this Bill adopted?"
"Mr. Clerk?"
"Amendment #1 was adopted."
"Thank you. Mr. Granberg."
"So, this is at the request of the Department of 220 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 Children and Family Services?"
"Yes."
"Thanks, Representative."
"Mr. Homer."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative Leitch, you offered this Bill at the request of what agency?"
"The Department of Children and Family Services."
"Are there opponents to your Bill?"
"There were in committee."
"There were?"
"There were. There was discussion in committee, so yes, there were opponents in committee. There were a lot of questions in committee."
"And what your Bill seeks to do then is to relieve the judge of the obligation to make specific findings when the judge..."
"No."
"What does your Bill do?"
"No, at the end of the committee discussion, I think the DCFS people satisfied Members of the committee that in the actual day-to-day reality of processing these things judges very often overlook to sign...to check a box on a form as the matter is being completed, and so what this...and, as a result, that has the effect of undoing what has gone before in the court so then they have to go back and get it redone in the court, get the box signed, and this really is a very simple Bill. It presumes that the material was presented to the judge and, therefore, is appropriate."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, to the Bill, and I don't...profess to have a great deal of expertise on this issue, but I do know 221 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 that there is opposition. It's been articulated to me, and it has been pointed out that, in fact, the Illinois State Bar Association Standing Committee on Juvenile Justice which is made up of judges, state's attorneys and others involved in the juvenile court process voted unanimously to oppose this Bill. Also, the Legal Assistance Foundation of Chicago is also opposed to the Bill; and, as I understand it and the way it's been explained to me, the opposition is based upon the idea that this Bill would relieve the obligation of judges who are making a decision to remove a child from a home, relieve that judge of the obligation to make a specific finding a fact as to the reason or rationale for making that decision. And since judges who comprise the committee are opposed to relieving themselves of this obligation, and this is only being offered because DCFS apparently resents judicial oversight in these matters, I think it would behoove us to be very cautious in taking away the need for a court to make a specific finding before removing a child from a home which is obviously a very significant and important step to take. So, while I can perhaps understand DCFS not wanting the oversight of the courts, I certainly respect the judgement of the courts and those comprising the ISBA committee who feel that that at a minimum is a requirement before an order be entered removing a child. Therefore, I am going to oppose the Bill and urge others to do as well."
"Further discussion? Mr. Leitch, to close."
"Well, his description of this Bill does not remotely compare with the description that I understand the Bill to be, and I would ask that this would be out of the record."
"Take the Bill out of the record. Page 55 of the Calendar, Senate Bill Second Readings, appears Senate Bill 222 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 312 by Ryder, Mr. Ryder. Mr. Black will handle the Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 312, a Bill for an Act making supplemental appropriations and/or legislative transfers for various state agencies. Second Reading of this Bill.
"Out of the record. The Bill has been read a second time. It'll stay on Second Reading. Mr. Hoffman, 1253. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1253, a Bill for an Act to make amends to the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Hoffman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a very simple Bill but very important. What it would provide is that time spent in incarceration would not be counted in the period of time in which the defendant is given to make restitution to victims of crimes. Why is this important? Because currently, you can't require restitution for over five years. If they're incarcerated during that time, they obviously can't make payments during that time. If... This would, essentially, total the time during incarceration and add that time to restitution. It's a good victim's rights Bill, and I ask your favorable vote."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1253 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 109 'ayes', 0 'nays'. House Bill 1253, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Flowers intended to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1253, and the record will so reflect. House Bill 1254, Mr. 223 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day Granberg. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." April 13, 1993
"House Bill 1254, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probation and Probation Officers Act. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Granberg."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1254 provides that the Probation and Court Services Department shall indicate in its annual plan the manner in which it will implement the crime victims Constitutional Amendment, which we passed last year. This Bill is proposed by the Illinois Probation and Court Services Association, and I know of no opposition."
"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1254 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are lll 'ayes', and 0 'nays'. House Bill 1254, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1272, Representative Lopez. Representative Lindner, for what reason do you rise? Would you say it in the microphone please? on, please."
"I voted 'yes' on that last..."
Turn her Speaker McPike: "Representative Lindner intended to vote 'yes' on the previous Bill, and the record will so reflect." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker." Lindner:
"You're welcome. Elections and State Government, Third Reading. House Bill 218, Representative Curran. Out of the record. Representative Deering, 425. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 425, a Bill for an Act to amend the Coal Mining Act. Third Reading of the Bill." 224 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day
"Representative Deering." April 13, 1993
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What this Bill does is...requires the minimum amount of inspectors we have working for the Department Mines and Minerals, and it has a sliding scale as when mines decrease operations. So, do the inspectors, so it is of a permissible law, and I would like to answer any questions."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 425 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Mr. Black, to explain his vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 88 'ayes' and 22 'noes'. House Bill 425, having received the Constitutional Majority, Black votes 'aye'. Any other changes? ...Mr. Black. Mr. On this Bill, there are 89 'ayes' and 22 'noes'. House Bill 425, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared Bill 494, Representative Sheehy. Representative Saltsman, 712. Mr. Ostenburg, 820. Mr. Woolard, 821. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." passed.
House Clerk McLennand: "House Bill 821, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administration Code of Illinois. this Bill."
"Out of the record. Third Reading of Representative Davis, 965. Representative Balthis, Monique Davis? Out of the record. 989. Mr. Balthis? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk,"
"House Bill 989, a Bill for Act to amend the Build Illinois Act. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Mr. Balthis."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a Bill which allows DECA to work with the Rule Bond Bank and other agencies in 225 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 40th Legislative Day April 13, 1993 order to allow local governments, local entities to access money from the state. It was used in capital development projects before. No new money, no new appropriations, just a transfer of funds. I move its adoption."
"Any discussion? Mr. Granberg, on a Motion 'do pass'."
"Thank you, Representative. Just a couple of questions. In the...Bill itself, the sentence associated permanent furnishings and equipment that are necessary preconditioned to local health. What...what does that mean?"
"Under the Act, the community means government, cities, villages, townships, road districts, mosquito abatement districts, hospitals, clinics, so there are several entities under the Bill that could utilize this legislation, so it's not just local governments."
"The actual language, I think it's on page three, associated permanent furnishings and equipment that are necessary precondition to local health. What types of things are those?"
"On page two, line 22?"
"No, I'm sorry. Page three, line 9, 10 and 11."
"I would... This has to do with medical facilities, public health clinics, those types of facilities, so it would be something to do with those types of facilities."
"Is there a... Representative, is there any opposition to this legislation?"
"Not that I'm aware of."
"Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 989 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 226 40th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 13, 1993 The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 112 'ayes' and 0 'nays'. House Bill 989, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. It is the intent of the Chair to adjourn three minutes early. Representative Granberg. Representative Granberg moves that the House now stands adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 9 a.m. All in favor of the Motion say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. 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