June 29, 1993 "The hour of 3:00 having arrived, the House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is Father John Ossola, from the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception of Springfield. Father Ossola is the guest of Representative Curran. The guests in the gallery may wish to rise for the invocation. Father."
"Heavenly Father, we ask You to be present with us today, as we gather in Your name, to work together for the good of the people of the State of Illinois. Help us to be courageous in defending Your truth, wise in seeking Your law, and humble in accepting Your will. May we always look to you for guidance and inspiration, ever mindful that we are here to do Your will. We ask these things through Your Son, and our Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen."
"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by... We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Persico Persico." et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call. Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker. Let the record reflect that Carol Ronen and Monroe Flinn are both excused from the Attendance Roll Call today."
"Representative Walsh."
"There's nobody absent today, Mr. Speaker."
"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On the roll call vote, there are 116 'present', a quorum is present. The House is ready to do its business, and we'll stand at ease for a few minutes. Committee Reports."
"The Committee on Rules has meet, and pursuant to 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 Rule 14(a)6, Bills referred pursuant to Rule 27, 37, and 46.1, recommends consideration, and the Bill be placed on the Order of Second Reading. Senate Bill 770. Signed, Chairman, Frank Giglio."
"Representative Granberg."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that we dispense with the reading of the Journals, and that the following House Journals be approved: the 40th through 61st Legislative Days for the Regular Session of the 88th General Assembly."
"Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Motion carries. Page 2 of the Calendar, under Senate Bills, Third Reading, appears Senate Bill 48, Representative Moffitt. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Bill 48, a Bill for an Act to transfer territory between Representative Districts. Third Reading of this Bill."
"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Moffitt."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, each of us have the opportunity to solve a Constitutional problem that's existed for the past two years. I know this has received a lot of publicity in the press. Many of you have probably read about it, but here's your opportunity to correct the problem. Senate Bill 48 would provide the restoration of an 87 year old Kewanee woman's right to privacy at the polling place. The 1991 redistricting map divided, of course, into legislative districts; and at that time, this resident was the only person in Kewanee precinct 6 who is in the 93rd House District. Everyone else in that precinct is in the 94th House District. So, when the results are given, it's 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 easy to check and see that...how she voted. We worked hard to keep this from becoming a vehicle for Amendment or making it a partisan issue. We're just wanted to return this lady's Constitutional right. This Bill would then transfer some of the property from the 93rd, from the territory, into the 94th. The 93rd, being Representative Leitch's district; the 94th, being in my district. At the present time, Lydia Thorpe, this 87 year old resident of Kewanee, we believe is the only person in the State of Illinois who does not have a secret ballot when casting her vote for State Representative. I think it's time that we took the corrective action to return this resident's...this citizen of Illinois' right to a secret ballot. Be happy to entertain any questions."
"Any discussion? The Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg."
"Will the Gentleman yield? Representative Moffitt, just for clarification, Representative von Bergen Wessels is not on the floor. I don't see her. Is this the same Bill that she had earlier in the Session, that was defeated because it is for that one lady?"
"Right. This is identical language with this Bill starting out in the Senate. It had an earlier filing date and then Representative Wessels in the House. And of course, I supported that Bill in the House also, so it's identical language accomp...for the same person to accomplish the same purpose, yes."
"Okay. Very good. Thank you, Representative."
"Thank you."
"Further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 48 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The voting is open, and 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 7,4th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 this is final action. The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Leitch."
"Yes. This happens to be in my district as well, and I think it's a very fine day here in the General Assembly that we can restore the Constitutional rights to Lydia Thorpe. And I'm SO very pleased to see SO many green...green lights up there. Thank you."
"Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question, 116 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'; and Senate Bill 48, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Murphy, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?" Murphy, Harold: "A Personal Privilege, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to introduce the Honorable Mayor David Johnson from the City of Harvey, Mayor Johnson."
"On the Order of Third Reading, Senate Bills, appears Senate Bill 266. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bugielski. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 266, a Bill for an Act concerning local tourism grants. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Bugielski."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 266 would restructure how state hotel and motel monies are deposited into the local tourism fund to finance tourism and convention grants. It amends the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois, and it would transfer for an annual maximum deposit of $8 million into the local tourism fund from the proceeds of the Hotel Operators Occupation Tax. What we are doing in this is changing the routing system...of the local tourism and convention bureaus are getting their money later than they actually need the money, and this would speed up the payments to the 4 74th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1993 local tourism and convention boards. It also would...establish a public-private partnership in promoting Illinois tourism industry, and allows the state to leverage private funds by offering state matching grants to this much needed program. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."
"Any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Representative Pankau."
"I also urge the Body to vote favorably for this Bill. Representative Bugielski has done yeoman's work in keeping Amendments off of it. It is in its purest form, and I ask for your support, also."
"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this initiative. It will allow the State of Illinois to leverage private funds with matching grants to promote tourism in Illinois, and everybody wins in Illinois as a result of this Bill. I urge a favorable vote. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Representative Bugielski to close."
"No further decision. I just ask for a favorable roll call. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 266 pass?' All those in favor, signify by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The voting is open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish. Take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'yes' and 1 voting 'no'. Senate Bill 266, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Let the record indicate that Representative Lou Jones wished to be recorded as voting 'aye' on that last...on Senate Bill 266, Mr. Clerk." 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993
"Supplemental Calendar 1 is being distributed."
"The House will come to order. Representative McPike in the Chair. Senate Bill 770. Mr. Clerk, has this Bill been read a second time, previously?"
"The Bill has been read a second time, previously."
"770 on Second Reading, then. Are there any Amendments?"
"Amendment #1 has been adopted to the Bill. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Shirley Jones."
"Representative Shirley Jones. The Lady withdraws the Amendment. Is that correct? Yes. The Amendment's withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Shirley Jones."
"Representative Shirley Jones withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Saltsman."
"Representative Saltsman with...withdraws Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Schakowsky."
"Representative Schakowsky. Amendment #5, withdraws the Amendment. Amendment #6, Representative Schakowsky, again. Withdraws Amendment #6. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Saltsman."
"Mr. Saltsman...withdraws Amendment #7. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representative 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day Shirley Jones."
"She Amendments?" June 29, 1993 withdraws the Amendment. Further
"Floor Amendment #9, offered by Representative Saltsman."
"Representative Saltsman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I would like to have a Roll Call Vote on this Amendment."
"Okay."
"I...I'm asking for it at the present ti time. This Amendment was a Bill that was formally here...and...I've had several Members come to me and asked that they'd like to have another chance to vote on this Amendment, and it does not affect the Com-Ed Bill at all. This is a separate Amendment by itself, but it was the only utility Bill that this Amendment could be attached to. It does not affect what I see in the Com-Ed Amendment. It does not affect it. So at that, what this Amendment does, it takes the small business community that is very concerned about regulated utilities operating in areas unrelated to the utility business. If the utilities are allowed unfairly to use their name recognition assets, staff expertise, to the detriment of small business, this will constitute unfair competition. The Illinois Alliance for Fair Competition, a broad-based coalition of over 50 different organizations, is spearheading a drive for passage of this Amendment. Now what this does... The Alliance also wants the ICC to require the utilities engaged in business other than the utility business to maintain separate records for these businesses. This Amendment is endorsed by the Governor's Small Business Utility Advocate Agency, the Governor's agency itself, is for this Amendment. The National 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 Federation of Independent Businessmen have endorsed this Amendment. Sheet Metal and Air Conditioning Contractors in the State of Illinois, SMAGMA, have endorsed this Amendment. The Sheet Metal International Union of the AFL-CIO and IBEW have endorsed this Amendment. So, since this Bill has been heard, I...before, you know what the positions are on it. Some of your contractors back home have called you and they have told you how unfair of a playing field that this is for those utility companies. Like if only 20% of the people apply for this, they'll be scraping...this scam will be scrapping between $6 and $7 million off the top, before a contractor ever gets his hands on it. This is very fair legislation, and I'm gonna ask for its passage even though the next Amendment that's up kills it. But I do want a roll call on it, because I don't think Amendment #12 is gonna get up here. So that's the way games are played around here, and you gotta accept that. I ask for the passage of this Amendment."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #9 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it..."
"Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Wait a minute."
"The 'ayes' have it. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Do you want a roll call? Well, the Amendment's adopted. I didn't realize you wanted a roll call if the Amendment's adopted. Well, if there's a roll call, it probably will be defeated, but if you want a roll call, the Chair will accommodate you. All right. All right. The Gentleman asks for a roll call, and...and the Chair will...the Chair will allow that. And its... In opposition to the Amendment, Representative Shirley Jones." Jones, Shirley: "Yes. Will the Sponsor yield?" 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993
"Yes." Jones, Shirley: "Saltsman. Saltsman. I'm not saying Mr. Saltsman. Saltsman, this Bill has been in my committee twice. It failed twice in my committee. It's been on the floor before, and it fell on the floor before. What are you trying to do? I mean, I...I encourage everybody on this floor to vote 'no'. Thank you."
"Yes. Can I respond to that? The reason I..."
"Is any... Does anyone rise in support of this Amendment? There are number of lights on. Does anyone rise in support of the Amendment? Yes. Mr. Black. An inquiry of the Chair."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I see the board with great interest. It says, 'no DCC approval'. Should that be ICC? I thought maybe this was DCCA's Bill or something."
"Could be 'I'."
"Well, that settles that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm much more comfortable with the Bill now. Thank you."
"All right. A number of people had indicated they wished to speak against the Amendment. Representative Schoenberg, your light is the only one still on. You wish to speak for it or against it? Mr. Schoenberg."
"Against it."
"All right. Everyone that desired to speak against it, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #9 be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 36 'ayes' and 73 'noes'. And Amendment #9 is defeated. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #10, offered by Speaker Madigan."
"Speaker Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen. This Amendment 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day would become June 29, 1993 the Bill. This piece of legislation was originally motivated because Commonwealth Edison, Illinois' largest utility, was at a competitive disadvantage to keep or attract customers. Originally, the Bill was presented to the General Assembly basically stated 'trust us, we will spend $570 million of our equity prudently.' Here in this chamber, we negotiated with all interested parties to formulate this Bill, as embodied in this Amendment. This Amendment, and what will become the Bill, is consistent with 90 years of regulatory oversight of utilities. Times are changing. There are over 40 companies now compete against Edison in its service region. In order for Edison to compete, and thereby protect its ratepayers, this Bill must pass. Only energy-related services are permitted under the language of the Bill. The Bill offers utility companies with 500,000 customers or more, the ability to create a statutorily created subsidiary with authorization of some investment money. Either $170 million, down from the original $570 million; or 20% of retained earnings, whichever is lower. This statutorily created subsidiary will be heavily regulated. No cross subsidy will be permitted. No cherry picking will be permitted. All contractual obligations must be filed with the Illinois Commerce Commission. The newly created subsidiary cannot engage in the repair or servicing of home or consumer appliances unless an emergency exists. The sub shall be liquidated within 550 days into a statutorily created holding company, if Edison has not obtained a holding company authorization during that time, unless they have filed for an extension of time with the Illinois Commerce Commission. The holding company, is overseen like all utility holding companies in Illinois, by the Illinois 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 Commerce Commission. There were three significant items which were negotiated in this Bill. Number one, People's Gas and the Edison Company agreed that if the subsidiary company or the holding company uses or would attempt to use a portion of the utility's transmission facility to distribute electricity, then the utility must make that portion of its facilities available to any other person or entity under the same price, terms, and conditions that it had made to its affiliate. In other words, there would be equal access to the transmission lines. Two, in the area of cherry picking, we have provided for language which will permit the Commerce Commission, where there is a finding of cherry picking, to determine that that has happened and then to order an adjustment in rates because of that activity. And lastly, there will be a payment of $500,000 a year for twenty years into a...into the statutorily created affordable housing trust fund for low and moderate income housing. Most of this is renovation in the metropolitan areas of the state. The Bill, as amended, is dramatically different than the Bill which was adopted by the Senate. When the Bill arrives in the House, in my judgement, it did not provide adequate protections for consumers. It did not provide for the Commerce Commission to have the ability to analyze and to supervise the activities of the statutorily created subsidiary. In my judgement, the language contained in...in this Amendment would provide the kinds of protections that we would all want contained in the law relative to this dramatic action by the Commonwealth Edison Company. Not everyone in this chamber will agree with this language. They will argue that there should be different language adopted in this Amendment. My judgement is that after months of examination and scrutiny, the language 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 contained in this Amendment is good, sound language consistent with good, sound utility regulation in the State of Illinois. And I would recommend an 'aye' vote for the Motion to adopt the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Schakowsky."
"Thank you, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I want everybody to be clear about this. If you vote 'yes' on this Amendment, you are voting 'yes' to rate increases. With all deference to the real Speaker, the cherry picking issue has not been addressed in this legislation. The Citizens Utility Board estimates that Commonwealth Edison's rates would increase $519 million by the end of the decade. If this Amendment were approved and Illinois Power's rates would increase $79 million. What this Bill does is allow Commonwealth Edison to savage its own customer base to the detriment the captive rate payer. There is an Amendment that, unfortunately, somehow has not been printed and circulated, that CUB has agreed to, that would keep a number of the other provisions of the Bill intact, but would, in fact, deal with the issue of cherry picking so that consumers can be protected from the higher rates that Commonwealth Edison would otherwise get. Commonwealth Edison is seeking permission to do something no other utility has been allowed to do, to set up a sister company without going through the full ICC approval process. And like other utilities who set up sister companies, Commonwealth Edison has explicitly announced its intention to use its sister company to cherry pick its largest customers off the system. Had Commonwealth Edison gone to the ICC with this plan, the ICC would have imposed the exact same restrictions on cherry picking that CUB is proposing. What CUB is proposing is that the burden of 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 proof simply be on Commonwealth Edison that its customers will not suffer if they...go off and do co-generation with some large customer. That's all we're asking for. It is a reasonable proposal. Commonwealth Edison has stonewalled consumers. So if you vote 'yes' on this, I want you to expect that this will be an anti-consumer vote in the next election. This will be a vote for higher rate increases. I urge a 'no' vote on this Amendment, and I would ask for a Roll Call Vote on the Amendment."
"Representative Skinner."
"Is this... Is this Amendment substantially the same as Amendment 8?"
"Yes."
"I am as concerned as the previous Representative about rising...the potential of rising residential rates. But unlike her, I don't see anyway residential rates are not going to go up. It seems to me that regardless of whether Commonwealth Edison does a co-generation or somebody else does a co-generation, these large electrical users are going to be off the grid base. Is that your understanding?"
"That's my understanding of my belief, and it was that understanding that drove me to work with all interested parties to prepare a Bill. Absent that belief, I would not have supported the Bill at all. But the plain truth is, that there are independent power producers today, who are producing power off the grid. They are not regulated by the Illinois Commerce Commission. They are in direct competition with Commonwealth Edison. And what we are attempting to do is permit Edison to get into that competition."
"All right. When Edison gets into that competition, the revenue that they derive from this oft... Well, the revenue 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 that they derive will not help subsidize the residential rate payers. Is that correct?"
"That's correct."
"Do you see any way we can protect residential rate payers over the next ten years?"
"Well, what you could do would be to provide that the independent power producers would be regulated by the Illinois Commerce Commission, so that the production of power by whomever would be subject to regulation. I'm not sure if we could do that in the Illinois Legislature, or whether you would require federal action to accomplish that."
"To the latter part of the Bill, which I am rather astounded at. Is this a half million dollars a year coming out of the rate base, or will it come out of the profits of Com Ed?"
"The profit of the newly created subsidiary."
"Where does it say that?"
"Mr. Skinner. I spoke in error. Could you restate your question?"
"I asked where...whether the money would come out of the rate base or whether it would come out of the profits of Com Ed. You replied that it would come out of the profits. I asked where does it say that."
"It doesn't. It doesn't. And we wanted to handle that through legislative intent. All right. And so, in terms of developing our record of legislative intent, our intent is that the rate payers will not pay the $500,000 a year. Our intent is that that money will come out of retained earnings."
"Why don't we just put that in legislative language so the ICC and the state courts have no doubt whatsoever? 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 Everything else here has been put together quite meticulously by probably four or five hundred dollar an hour lawyers. And it would seem to me that it wouldn't take very much to add a sentence here."
"I would have to consult with my lawyers before I could answer your question any further."
"Well, I...I would hope that you would propose a subsequent Amendment that would make that explicit...that would make some people feel more comfortable. Thank you."
"Representative Saltsman."
"Yes. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"On page 9, Section K, 'subsidies shall not engage in repair or servicing of home or other consumer appliances except in emergencies in posing the threat of life or property.' I like that very much as part of the section. That's similar to the Amendment that just got defeated."
"I believe there's some similarity, but I don't think it's exactly identical to your Amendment."
"No, I know it's not exactly because it still don't stop that holding company from...from putting on a scam. Like NI-GAS...with my Amendment that just passed... Most of the people here don't understand my Amendment. And if this does... So even if the scam, NI-GAS, is running, they can still do this, for the utility company, and I'm for that. Being an ex-person of public safety, I know how important this is. And I am for this, but, you know, if Com Ed now has any idea, or can they be trusted to say that they're not gonna go out and cause a scam like NI-Gas."
"I wouldn't be in a position to represent their intent."
"Well, can anybody else here on team with Com Ed...answer that for me? They talked to any of their 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 lobbyists, or anybody that can answer that for me? I mean, I like the Bill. You know, if Com Ed ain't gonna do it, they're three times bigger than NI-GAS...and they don't even... If they had the same thing, if only 20% of their people did it, they'd only be skimming $21 million off the top. Or NI-Gas, they're 40%. They're skimming Twenty six or seven million off the top."
"Have you concluded, Mr. Saltsman?"
"Well, I'd like to have an answer, if there is one. This might weigh a lot on how I'm gonna vote on this legislation."
"Mr. Speaker, have you concluded your answer?"
"Yes."
"Mr. Saltsman, that's the end of... Representative Churchill to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Amendment and in support of the eventual Bill. The world is a rapidly changing place. The ways of the past are not always sufficient to meet the challenges of the future. Business in Illinois must be created to match the competition, and to prepare to succeed in the turn of the century. Dinosaurs are now the fade of the moment, but those businesses which will become dinosaurs in the year 2000 will never find a Jurassic Park in which to replay history. For those businesses regulated by the State of Illinois, the State has a responsibility to allow, and even to force them to become competitive. This Bill helps to insure that Commonwealth Edison will evolve in the marketplace. Commonwealth Edison's competition is not from within. It comes from all over the world. This Bill allows Commonwealth Edison to retain the utility base while maintaining a competitive subsidiary for the purpose 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day June 29, 1993 of keeping its industrial base and serving the very customers which provide the backbone of Commonwealth Edison's financial structure. Without its industrial base, market shares would be reduced, and all of the current fixed costs would be borne by the residential rate payers at a much higher level than that which is charged today. So, despite all the trash talks going out of the mouths of opponents, in the long run, this Bill will help to reduce utility rates, help to reduce the need for expansion of more power lines, and keep this regulated utility financially sound. This Bill needs to be passed. This Amendment needs to be passed. I urge you to vote 'aye'."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment... No, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 10 be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. To explain her vote, Representative von Bergen Wessels." von Bergen Wessels: "Thank you, Speaker. When the prima facie evidence that cherry picking did not occur consists of the janitor giving a statement to the Commerce Commission, there's not protection for consumers. When proving otherwise, means subpoena records of industries in this...state, that means consumers aren't protected. That's never happened before. I would have prefer the $500,000 sweetner to go into the low income housing assistance energy program, rather than into affordable housing. In my district, we cool pigs with electricity. We cool the milk house and milk the COWS with electricity. We light the brood house with electricity. And what do we get with affordable housing? Eighteen percent. Eighteen percent of that money will go to rural areas. The rest of it would not. We get very little except the potential for increased rates in my district. So, I'm voting 'no'." 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 74th Legislative Day
June 29, 1993 "Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? ... All voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Shirley Jones to explain her vote. The Lady does not wish to explain her vote. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 43 'ayes' and 62 'noes'. Amendment #10 fails. Representative Jones wants to take the Bill out of the record. The Bill's out of the record. Introduction and First Reading."
Speaker "House Bill 2463, offered by Representative Weller, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. First Reading of this House Bill."
"Representative Churchill moves that the House stands adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 11:00 a.m. All in favor of the Gentleman's Motion, say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The 'ayes' have it, and the House stands adjourned until tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m." 18 REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS GJTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JUNE 29, 1993 93/09/07 13:58:43 Ho-2463 FIRST READING PAGE 19 S3-0048 THIRD READING PAGE 2 S-0266 THIRD READING PAGE 4 S3-0770 SECOND READING PAGE 6 S3-0770 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 13 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER SPEAKER GIGLIJ PAGE 1 PRAYER FATHER JOHN OSSULA PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 1 REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE IN CHAIR PAGE ADJOURNMENT PAGE 13