"The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is the Reverend Gary McCants of the Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Kewanee, Illinois. All guests in the gallery may wish to rise for the invocation. Reverend."
"Responsibility may be considered as the state of being responsible. It involves moral, legal and mental accountability. Reliability and trustworthiness are also its strong characteristics. May we pray. Lord our God, my prayer today for these men and women, who have undertaken the responsibility to serve in this House, is that they have the benefit of Your inner strength. As responsible and accountable individuals, they are liable to be called on to respond to many for the conduct and the decisions they make during the closing days of this Spring Session. May they have Your peace, which is like a river that literally passes all human understanding. May they without any degree of fear be able to withstand the fiery darts surely to be cast towards them. Ungird them with the assurance that they are not alone, even in the difficult decision making process. We ask for these and many other blessings in Thy dear Sons name. May we all say, Amen."
"We'll be led in the Pledge by Representative
Cross. Cross et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Kubik. Representative Granberg, are there any excused absences?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would you let the record reflect that the excused absences of Representatives Flinn 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day and Ronen."
"Representative Walsh."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. today." July 1, 1993
There are no excused absences Speaker Giglio: "Mr. Clerk, take the record. A quorum call there are 116 voting 'present'. The House is ready to do its business. Representative Phelps, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just on behalf of a fellow colleague here that might of had a minor accident last night. It was raining cats and dogs last night, and Lou Lang stepped in a poodle and he hurt himself real bad. So, remember him in our meditation."
"Representative Black."
"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise to a point of rule, I think it's Rule 115(a), and ask that Representative Phelps be escorted from the floor for that kind of humor. It has no place here at all. That was the lamest joke I have ever heard in my life. Yes, and I'm joined by five of my colleagues in requesting that Representative Phelps be escorted from the floor, until he brings back lunch."
"Representative Phelps."
"Well, I would take you up on your offer to bring back lunch, but the chicken I had the other day left a fowl taste in my mouth."
"The Chair would like to make an announcement that the Leaders are going to meet at approximately 11:30, so with that, the...Representative Granberg now moves that the House stand in recess until 1:00 p.m. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The House will stand in recess until 1:00 p.m." 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day
July 1, 1993 "Representative Steczo in the Chair. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Effingham seek recognization?"
"I just wondered what we were doing and to remind you that your entire rows here ready to do the work for the people, if we could have some action out here."
"What are we doing, Representative Hartke, we are doing 'at ease' right now, the order of 'At Ease'."
"Oh. Thank you."
"For what purpose does the Gentleman man from Will, Representative Meyer, seek recognization?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to make an observation. When my distinguished colleague on the other side of the aisle rose to speak to the chamber and ask...make a note that he was here ready to do business and you informed him that he was here to be 'at ease', I just wanted to comment that he's doing a very good job of that. For awhile I thought he'd fallen under his desk, but I can see now he's standing up and he's well. So, thank you." purpose does the Gentlemen from Vermilion, Representative Black, seek recognization?"
Speaker Black:
"For what "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair." see Senator
"Please state your inquiry."
"It certainly brings back good memories to LaPaille back on the podium, but would someone direct him to the proper chamber. We here in the House are ready to do the people's business. Senate is in total disarray, Senator It's my understanding that the and I would suggest that LaPaille go back to the Senate chamber and use his expertise in bringing about a solution to this problem, is why he was sent to the Senate, and he is obviously that 3 76th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE July 1, 1993 in the wrong chamber here today."
"Mr. Black, the Chair was trying to give the Senate marching orders, as yours. But, Mr. LaPaille has invited you, Mr. Black, to be his personal guest at a Senate Democratic caucus if you would care to do so this afternoon."
"The House will come to order. Representative Turner in the Chair. Committee Reports, Mr. Clerk."
"Committee Reports. Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 29(c)3, the following Bills have been ruled exempt: House Bill 2464. Committee on Rules met and pursuant to Rule 14(a) 5 House Bills amended in the Senate. Rules recommends consideration, and Bills will be placed on the Order of Concurrence: House Bill 2062. Offered by Frank Giglio, Chairman the Committee on Rules, July 1, 1993.
"The House will stand at ease until the Call of the Chair."
"The House will come to order. Committee Reports."
"Representative Davis, Chairman from the Committee on Labor and Commerce, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken on July 1, 1993, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 2464."
"Representative Wennlund, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want the record to clearly reflect that the action of the Labor and Commerce meeting at 5:00 p.m. during the time that the House was in Session, and we were in Session. There was no adjournment since the House came into Session this morning, the House was 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 standing at ease, it was not in recess; nor was it adjourned. The Committee met in violation of the rules and I want the record to clearly reflect that it was in violation of the rules, and we deem that the action of the Committee in passing the Bill out was in violation of Rule 24. Because, indeed, the House was in Session it was not adjourned, it was now just called to order; but, nevertheless, it was in Session and everybody knows that. I want to let that objection show in the record."
"Representative Wennlund, are you making a point of..a point of order?"
"Yes."
"Your point's not well taken, Sir. Representative Parke."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As the Republican Spokesman on Labor and Commerce, I would certainly like to rule...ask the Chair for a ruling, and inquire of the Chair as to why 24... Rule 24 would not apply on this instance and that, in fact, it is a clear violation of the rules of the House, and I remind the Body that these rules apply to all Members of the this Body so that we have some uniformity, and it is not proper for any committee to meet in violation of that and I would ask that the Chair so rule as to why 24... Rule 24 would not apply."
"The Chair would like to remind...remind the... Representative Parke, that the House was at ease since 11:00 o'clock this morning and no business has been transpired from the podium, and the House was just called to order a few minutes ago, and your spirit of the rule is..has been met and your points not well taken."
"Well, the point that I'd like to just simply ask is that 5 76th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE July 1, 1993 if we were in Session and we took a roll call; then we are, in fact, in Session. Now you can put us at ease, but the Rule is clear. The Rule 24 states that if we are in Session. Now you can make it convenient, but the rule is the rule. We were in Session, we took a roll call, men and women of this Body are collecting a per diem, we were not adjourned and that rule is clear; if we were not adjourned we are in Session. We can be...You can term it 'at ease', we can...anything else, but we are in Session and it is a clear violation of Rule 24."
"The Chair would make the announcement that there'll be chicken in about 45 minutes for the Democratic Members. Representative Leitch, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"For a point of parliamentary inquiry. I too, would like to add my word of protest to what was clearly an illegal meeting, committee meeting by our rules, House Rule 24 very specifically states that when we are in Session it is not proper it is against our rules to have a meeting of any standing committee. That is stated very specifically, and if you have ruled otherwise, I would move to appeal the ruling of the Chair."
"Representative Leitch, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just appealed the ruling of the Chair, and I would ask for a vote on that matter."
"The Gentleman asks for the...to overrule the Chair. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. All right, okay. All those in favor the Motion to override the ruling of the Chair vote 'aye'; those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Meyers." 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just to explain my vote on this. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm a Member of the Labor and Commerce Committee, and I went to the hearing even though I believe that it violated the rules of this House; rules that we voted on on this floor, and they should be enforced. They should be upheld, and if we don't uphold our own rules, we're not doing ourselves service. But, let me tell you this. At that labor hearing we talked about lock-outs, and if you don't uphold the rules of this Body, then you're locking yourself out and I, for one do not want to be a part of being locked out by the leadership that is ruling on this at this point."
"Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question there are 51 voting 'yes'; 64 voting 'no', and the Motion fails. On the Order of Concurrence, Supplemental Calendar #1 appears House Bill 2062, Representative Bugielski."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to nonconcur on Senate Amendments on House Bill 2062."
"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur on Senate Amendment #3 to House Bill 2062. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the House nonconcurs Senate Amendment #3 to House Bill 2062. On the order of Motion, page 7 of the Calendar, appears House Bill 1974. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Dart."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having voted on the prevailing side, I move that we reconsider the vote by which this Bill was passed."
"All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, Attendance Roll Call will be used, and the Motion to reconsider prevails. The Chair would ask that those people not entitled to the House floor please 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day remove themselves to the gallery. entitled to the House floor. Bill 2464. July 1, 1993 All those Members not Representative Woolard, House House Bill 2464. Read the Motion, Mr. Clerk. Representative Woolard moves to suspend Rule 35(a) and place on the Calendar on Order of Second Reading for immediate consideration. Representative Parke."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Inquire of the Chair. I'd like to object to this, and I'd like to know how many votes are required for him to do this, and take this action?"
"The Parliamentarian informs the Chair that it takes 60 votes. Representative Parke."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under what rule does that take 60 votes? I don't understand why it shouldn't take 71. You're asking for immediate consideration, it has not been on the Calendar for 24 hours, I'd like to know why it doesn't take 71 and under what rule does the Parliamentarian rule so? In addition, Mr. Speaker, I would like a Verified Roll Call on any of these roll calls that are taking place on this legislation, and I am joined by four of my colleagues in requesting such a roll call on any votes taken on this legislation."
"House Rule 83 states that any rule may be suspended upon a proper Motion and the affirmative vote of 60 Members, unless the rule affects or specifies otherwise. Rule 35(a)does not specify otherwise, so it takes 60 votes."
"Mr. Speaker, I understand that this has an immediate effective date, and under the rules an immediate affective date requires 71 votes, and I would like...it's rule 83(b); and I would like the Chair to so rule on that. This is... Again, I will remind the Body that this Bill just came out of committee, it has not been on the Calendar 24 hours, and 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day this requires...this is an extraordinary takes an extraordinary vote to pass it." July 1, 1993
Motion and it Speaker Giglio: "Your point's not well taken, Representative Parke. Representative Woolard."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to suspend rule 35(a), and place on the Calendar, Order of Second consideration." Reading, for immediate
"All those in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye'. All those in favor of the Motion signify by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question there are 64 voting 'yes' and 49 voting 'no', and the Motion carries. The Bill is now on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2464, a Bill for an Act amending the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Black, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. Where are we in this process at this point?"
"Well, we just finished considering House Bill 2464."
"So, the Bill has been read a second time?"
"That's correct."
"Have any notes been filed to the Bill?"
"The fiscal note has been filed and the Bill...Fiscal note has been requested, Representative Black."
"All right." 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993
"And the Bill was moved to Third Reading in error. Bring the Bill back to Second Reading. Mr. Woolard. Representative Woolard moves that the fiscal note is inapplicable. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. Representative Parke."
"Mr. Speaker, I asked for a Verified Roll Call on every roll call on this legislation, in addition, I would like the Chair to rule why this is inapplicable, it certain is. The cost on this legislation, if passed, is anywhere between $15 and $17 million to the trust fund. There is expenses to this, and I'd like to know why it is not applicable? It's easy for me to say."
"Representative Wennlund. Representative Wennlund, are you seeking recognization, Sir?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To a...inquiry of the Chair. How many votes does it take to a rule the fiscal note inapplicable."
"The majority of those voting, Representative."
"Thank you."
"Representative Davis, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Well, I really wanted to just make a comment, because this legislation was heard in committee, and I wanted to state that it doesn't cost the state any money. The employer pays that unemployment insurance. That's all, that the employer pays and it is not the state that pays those dollars."
"The Chair would like to remind those that are entitled to the House floor, please remove themselves from the chambers, immediately. All those Members not entitled to the House floor, please leave the chamber. Representative Meyers, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?" 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day
July 1, 1993 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question of the...of my colleague that just had talk...has spoken."
"Representative Davis, do you wish to respond to Representative Meyer?"
"I have a question. You indicated that the fiscal impact was only to those employers that would have to pay the unemployment insurance. But, my point is that really the impact is to the state fund, and then the state fund has to reach out and tax additional moneys to replenish itself; and, therefore, the real impact is to the state fund, and the employer has to pay the fee for...the tax for it, yes; but, the impact is to the state."
"Representative Meyer, you should be directing your remarks to the Sponsor. Representative Davis was making a statement. Representative Woolard."
"I think that's it's time for us to proceed with the issue. I think that we have a Motion in order, and I think that we should take a vote on this issue at this time. I, for one, positively do not believe that this will impact the General Revenue fund in any way. Everyone is entitled to apply for benefits and those would be those dollars that would be affected. Whether they're successful or not is the issue."
"Representative Parke, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Yes, I have a question to the Sponsor. Isn't it...and I would ask if he would yield for my question? Thank you. Mr. Woolard...Representative Woolard, it is my understanding that if this fund, if the unemployment insurance fund in Illinois goes bankrupt, that the federal government then intercedes just like it did in the late 1970's and early 1980's intercedes and then charges the 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 State of Illinois a penalty that must come out of the General Revenue fund. Is that your understanding of what happens if the fund goes bankrupt?"
"I am not a legal authority on unemployment law in any way, would not pretend to be. If that's your belief, I would think that you probably have a better understanding of that law than I."
"Well, I appreciate that. In fact, that is true, that the federal government will then turn to the state that is in bankruptcy in that fund, will pay those claims to those men and women who are truly entitled to unemployment benefits get them. They then, whatever the...whatever that bankruptcy amount is, goes to that that state and says you not only will pay that back, but you will pay back a fine that can only come out of the General Revenue fund of the State of Illinois. Therefore, it does apply, because you and I and every taxpayer in this state pays that penalty to the federal government. So, in fact, it does. Five years...well, it was more than five years ago, we had to go to the federal government for over $500 million."
"I would say that we're discussing an issue that shouldn't be debated at this time. We have a Motion on the floor, and that's what we should be dealing with."
"And the Motion is that the financial impact on this state is applicable, and that there should be a declared declaration from the economic fiscal to this and we should hand that for tomorrow."
"I think that the balance in the fund is more than excessive and more than adequate to accommodate the needs of this state at this time. I think that... Mr. Speaker, if I may. Let me make a statement. I think that we have many issues which are important. I think that House Bill 2464 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 is one of those that is vitally important to many, many working men and women of this state. I want to come back to this issue and I want to deal with this issue. But, I do not want, and let me reiterate, I do not want this Bill to be in any way a conflict in the settlement of the budget process that we're dealing with now. I would request that we take this out of the record, but I also want the promise from this Body that we will get a fair hearing in the right time tomorrow. I would request that we take it out of the record at this time."
"Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Balthis, are you seeking recognization, Sir?"
"No, Mr. Speaker. I had a question in regard to the issue, and I was of the impression that there was an agreed process in regard to the U of I benefits, and it seems to me that this is outside of that process, and so I'm pleased to see that the Member from the other side has taken it out of the record."
"Representative DeJaegher, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Mr. Chairman, the author of this particular piece of legislation had requested that this Bill be taken out. I don't feel that we should have the continuous debate pertaining to that particular subject matter."
"Point's well taken. All those that perhaps are interested, perhaps should talk to Representative Woolard, and perhaps we could straighten this out and we'll be in agreement when we come back to the Bill. On the Order of Conference Committee Reports, on page 5 of the Calendar, appears House Bill 176, Representative Capparelli. House Bill 2464. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of the Bill?" 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day
"House Bill 2464 is on Reading. No Committee Amendments. fiscal note and a state debt requested on the Bill." July 1, 1993 Calendar Order, Second No Floor Amendments. impact note have been A
"Representative Woolard moves that the fiscal note and state impact note is inapplicable; and on that, is there any discussion. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In all due respect to the Sponsor, and if you'll look on the list of co-sponsors on this Bill, you'll find my name. So, to all of those who feel strongly about this issue, it doesn't make it...it doesn't make any sense to try and address a problem of some seriousness in this state by ignoring the rules of this Body to accomplish a goal that may or may not be met by what we are about to do. I happen to agree with the Sponsor of this Bill that this is a difficult situation for people in my district, and people in his district. But, Representative Woolard, I know to be an honorable man. There is no...there can be no question in any one's mind having gone through the Unemployment Insurance Act crisis that we did in this state just a few years ago, that there is not a fiscal impact to the State of Illinois and the business community at large. There is a fiscal impact to the Illinois Department of Employment Security. If you persist in simply ignoring the rules to try and correct an injustice by doing another injustice, you do not advance your cause, Representative. You will have time to move this Bill, but everyone on...in this chamber should know what the fiscal cost could conceivably be, and then we can cast a vote with some reasonable intelligence as to whether we think the problem in this state is so serious that we need to proceed. I beseech you to follow the rules of this 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 chamber. The department is ready and willing to file this fiscal note, we can move this Bill tomorrow if you SO choose. You are an honorable man, this is a very serious problem, you do not further the cause that you and I are working for if we simply say perhaps one injustice can be corrected by doing an injustice to every other person in the State of Illinois. What you are doing is wrong. File the fiscal note, and let's call your Bill tomorrow. I urge you not to simply off-handedly say there is no fiscal note to this Bill. You know better, and to do, to try and correct what you and I may consider to be an injustice by doing another grievous injustice, is wrong. You compound the wrong. The fiscal note has not been filed as an harassment, there is a cost. In all due respect to you, Representative Woolard, let's get the fiscal note and proceed in accordance with House rules."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, I think that, Representative Black, might have forgotten that the trust fund that unemployment insurance come out of is only paid into by the employers of Illinois. There are no state funds in the trust fund that pays unemployment claims. It's paid for by the 400,000 employers of Illinois, and the state...state dollars do not contribute to that fund. And the balance at the present time is over $800 million, over $800 million."
"Representative Balthis."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that many of us in this Body agree that there are things that are unjust or a problem with the issue at hand. But, there has been an agreed process that has gone on for some time and it is my understanding, the note that I have in my hand, that the 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 management and labor have not had an opportunity to talk about this; and, in fact, labor has not brought this to management to ask them to talk about it. Management is willing to sit down and talk about this unemployment issue."
"Excuse me, Representative...Representative Balthis, Representative Woolard."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think that, Representative Balthi s, is speaking to the Bill and not the Motion at hand. In regards to my good colleague on the other side of the aisle, Mr. Black, and some of the comments that he made, I think that one of the things that we all agree to is that we should follow the rule, and I believe that one of the rules states that we have the opportunity to ask the Body to determine whether or not it's inapplicable, and what I am doing, following the rule. I also believe that we have a responsibility to proceed with those things that we thing are important for each and every one of us, and I think that one of the things that is important here is to insure that we have a fair hearing and a adequate day, and in order to insure that that hearing is had and that everyone had the chance to address this issue, we would like to move it. There was also a statement made by someone previous that there was a fiscal note in hand ready to file. If that is so, if they would bring it to me at this time, I would gladly take it to the Well and file it. I would encourage each and every person in this Body to address themselves in a fair and adequate fashion on the fiscal note and applicability, and that subject only."
"Representative Parke."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It was just handed to me a fiscal note pertaining 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 to House Bill 2464, from...but it's not filed but it was prepared by the office of the budget, the Illinois Department of Employment Security. It said using historical data for the years 1983 through 1992 and a set of model assumptions, the annual increase in benefit outlays ranged from 0 increase to one year over $24 million in another year. Thereby, demonstrating the great viability of the underlying data. So, it could raise the...the economic statement could be up to $24 million dollars to the businesses of the State of Illinois."
"Representative Lang. Representative Lang."
"Mr. Speaker, this Representative already spoke on this Motion, and he's reading the fiscal note. The Sponsor of the Bill said, 'file it'. All he has to do is file it, he'll accept it."
"Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The consideration of this Bill is going to do one thing, and I don't think you're going to like it. This violates the agreed Bill process, and because of that, the agreed Bill process that passed out over the Senate..."
"Representative Lang."
"Mr. Speaker, point of order. The Speaker currently is not speaking to the Motion, the Motion is rather the Note Act is inapplicable."
"Please confine your remarks to the Motion, Representative Wennlund. All those in favor of the Motion signify by voting 'aye'; all those opposed, 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 61 voting 'yes', 50 voting 'no', and the Gentleman's Motions carry. Third Reading." 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day
July 1, 1993 "Laurino, in the Chair. Committee Reports." "Committee on Rules has met, and pursuant to Rule 14(a)4, Conference Committee House Members appointed. Rules recommends consideration and the Bills will be placed on the Order of Conference. House Bills: House Bill 300 and House Bill 1587. Senate Bill 273, Senate Bill 536 and Senate Bill 941. Committee on Rules has met, and pursuant to Rule 14(a)6, Bills referred pursuant to Rule 27. Rules recommends consideration, and the Bills will be placed on the Order of Second Reading. Senate Bill 284. Offered by Frank Giglio, Chairman Committee on Rules, offered July 1, 1993."
"Messages."
"To the Honorable Speaker of the House. Sir, in compliance with the provisions of the constitution of the State of Illinois, I am forwarding herewith the enclosed House Bill. As vetoed by the Governor, together with his objections: House Bill 153. Respectively, George Ryan, Secretary of State. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Jim Harry, Secretary of the Senate. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has accepted the Governor's specific recommendations for change which are attached to a Bill of the following title. The acceptance of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House, to wit: Senate Bill 718, a Bill for an Act relating to payments under contracts between state agencies and human service providers. I am further directed to transmit to the House of Representatives the following copy of the Governor's specific recommendations for change to the Senate. Action taken by the Senate July 1, 1993. Jim Harry, Secretary of the Senate'."
"Supplemental Calendar Announcements." 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993
"Supplemental Calendar #2 is being distributed."
"Proceeding to Supplemental Calendar #2, appearing on that Calendar is Senate Bill 273, Representative Erwin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"Thank you, Speaker. On the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 273, I just remind the Membership, Senate Bill 273 is the domestic violence Bill that deals with the ability of law enforcement officers to remove weapons from the scene of a crime when they believe the weapon was used in committing the act of domestic violence. We have passed that part of this Conference Committee Report about four times I think this year. The Senate added an Amendment on this which I need to get some more information on, which is language amending the Human Rights Act, providing a mechanism so that in case of discrimination the person filing an action can have with them a representative of an association, whether it be the Association of Minorities in Government or an association of some sort of management association. Central Management Services has agreed to this language. The origin is from the Illinois Association of Minorities in Government, and the Illinois Management Association has also concurred with the language. I would appreciate your favorable...a favorable roll call."
"Any discussion? Seeing none, the Lady asks for the adoption of Conference Committee Report...First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 273. All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The board is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Bill, having received 112 'ayes', 0 voting 'nay', 2 voting 'present, having received the required 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 536, Representative Parke."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On Senate Bill 536 I move to adopt Conference Committee Report."
"Further discussion? Seeing...Representative Dart, seeking recognization."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Sponsor if he could maybe explain what this Conference Committee does?"
"That's a good idea. Representative Parke, could you give a brief explanation of the First Conference Committee Report?"
"Absolutely. This Bill allows the counties of Lake County only to use the...to get right-a-way to build a bike path along the power lines in Lake county, and only applies to Lake county. There is an agreement between the power people and the Lake County Board and it only applies to them."
"Would the Sponsor yield please?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, does this take away any road fund money? Would this take away any road fund money?"
"I can't hear you. Could a... Mr. Speaker, I cannot hear the question."
"Would this take away from any of the road fund money?"
"For the State of Illinois? No, it will not. They are goning to use...allocate their own money."
"And this is Lake county only, correct?"
"That is correct."
"Further discussion? Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 536. All those in favor will 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The board is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Bill having received 98 'ayes' 7 'no', 7 voting 'present', having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 941, Representative Daniels. Representative Giles, for what reason do you rise, Sir?"
"On Senate Bill 273, could you please let the record reflect that I voted 'yea' on that Bill."
Thank Speaker Laurino: "Let the record reflect that Representative Giles would have voted 'aye' on Senate Bill 273. you. Representative Daniels, on Senate Bill 941."
"Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On House Bill...Senate Bill 941, is a Bill where this Conference Committee Report #1 recedes from House Amendment #1. It amends the Illinois State Auditing Act to create more than one deputy auditor general, and is an agreed Bill dealing with the Airport Authorities Act to be amended to require the Illinois Department of Transportation to conduct or cause to be conducted, an annual program audit, and I would ask for your favorable approval of the same."
"Any discussion on Senate Bill 941? Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 941. All those in favor will indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The board is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Bill having received 108 'ayes', 3 voting 'nay', 3 voting 'present', having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 300, Representative Novak." 21 76th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE July 1, 1993
"House Bill 300, Mr. Speaker."
"I'm sorry, House Bill 300."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 330 in the First Conference Report due to a technical situation that needs to be corrected for a Second Conference Committee, I move that we not accept the First Conference Committee, and ask for the appointment of a Second Conference Committee."
"The Gentleman has moved for the non-adoption of the First Conference Committee Report, asking for a Second Conference Committee to be adopted. All those in favor will indicate by saying 'aye'...appointed. All those in favor will indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment...the Gentleman's Motion is request...is adopted. On the Order of Speakers Table, appears...on page 7 appears Senate Joint Resolution 14, Representative McGuire."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Clerk, are there any Motions or Amendments filed?"
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Churchill."
"Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What Floor Amendment #1 does is to expand the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority from it's current position on route 53 on Lake Hook road up into an intersection around route 120, and then off to the Richmond intersection coming out of Wisconsin."
"Further discussion? Representative Andrea Moore." Moore, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry, I didn't understand you. As many of your are aware, Representative 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 Clayton and I have been involved in work on the northern extension of route 53 for many years in local government. In speaking here...excuse me. I'm speaking here this afternoon to insure that that hard work of a multitude of agencies and individuals is not ignored on this project as it becomes a toll road. For the purposes of legislative intent, the Corridor Planning Council should continue its work with the toll road as it has been working with IDOT. Also, the environmental studies should also go forward as they have been planned. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Representative Schoenberg."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to Floor Amendment #1 and to Senate Joint Resolution #14. If ever there was a time that we should seriously consider the question of privatizing tollways, whether it's new construction like this, or whether it's making the Chicago skyway a private tollway, we should get with the 21st century, or at least the 20th century. They do it in California, they're doing it in Virginia. It's very prevalent in Europe and this is nothing but a poltical maneuver, and I would urge you to vote against this."
"Further discussion? Representative Kotlarz."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the General Assembly. The tollway system in Illinois is one of the few things working. I'm encouraging this Amendment. I'm encouraging everyone to vote for the Senate Bill."
"Further discussion? Seeing none, the Gentleman moves for the adoption... Representative Salvi."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask first for a Roll Call Vote on this. Lake County is a unique county. 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 Especially the western part of Lake County, it's rural, a beautiful part of the State of Illinois. This will change the nature of western Lake County. It will destroy precious wetlands in Lake County, and displace many homes. I strongly urge a 'no' vote on this Bill, or on this Resolution."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Joint Resolution 14. All those in favor will indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The board is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Amendment having received 91 'ayes', 21 'noes' and 3 voting 'present', having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared adopted. Representative McGuire, on Senate Joint Resolution 14."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Joint Resolution 14 will authorize the Illinois Toll Highway Authority to expand the toll highway system to include what is called the Will South and North, or excuse me, the Will South toll highway between I-55 where it ends now, and extend it southeast to I-57. This is a much needed roadway in my home county, of Will county, and it will open up the area for economic development. It will be paid by tollway, no GRF funds. Most of the area, in fact all of the area is in total agreement for this highway, and I'd appreciate your favorable vote."
"Further discussion? Representative Skinner."
"I rise to congratulate the downstaters who are pulling a scam on this Bill or this Amendment, this Resolution, whatever. With that research done that indicates that people taking the tollway system in the metropolitan area, pay about $80 to $100 million in motor fuel taxes, which 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 then just disappear some place, downstate would be my guess. They not only pay the motor fuel tax, but they also pay tolls. So, in effect, suburbanites are being forced to pay for roads twice. Eventually, the suburbanites will figure this out and perhaps get together and take back that $80 to $100 million which we've allowed to get away each and every year for as long as I can remember. Perhaps this little talk will stimulate some thought on the part of some other suburbanites."
"Further discussion? Representative Novak."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will."
"Representative McGuire, I don't have the Resolution in front of me, but where is the further most southern point of this tollway to end?"
"The further southern most?"
"Where is... Where is the furthest most southern point of this tollway to end?"
"(Highway) 355 would end at I-57."
"Okay. Well, there was one Resolution where it would stop at I-80."
"Right."
"Then there was a subsequent Resolution that it would proceed further south somewhere along 57 by Peotone, do you know exactly where?"
"At I-57. wherever I-57 runs along the Peotone area. I don't know exactly the point. I know better along the I-80 terminus, but I don't know exactly where the 57..."
"Is this subsequent extension of the proposed tollway predicated upon the third airport being cited in Peotone?"
"I don't think so. No, this was predicated for many years before the airport was dreamed of." 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day
"Okay, thank you." July 1, 1993
"Further discussion? Representative Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, the people that want to built toll roads in Illinois might enjoy the semantics, but the toll road bonds are always guaranteed by the golden goose, the Northwest Toll Way, that the the Rockford traveler to Chicago has been paying since 1955. We were guaranteed freeways by 1985, we're still paying, and I'd tell my constituents we'll pay forever because of the... You can't afford your toll roads, but our golden goose will pay your bonds for you."
"Representative Balthis."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was pleased to hear that the toll road is going to end at I-57, cause that would seem to indicate that there is a potential of having a third airport in the south suburban communities, and that would mean that there would be economic developments and jobs in the south suburban area, and so for that reason and primarily that reason, I would rise in support of this Senate Joint Resolution 14, and urge your 'aye' vote for it."
"Representative Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I proudly rise in support of Senate Joint Resolution 14, which expands the tollway system from I-57 north to Wisconsin border. Those of us that live in the growing areas of the suburban areas, know that the transportation demands in our area, requires that we immediately move on furnishing the necessary elements to move this transportation network. (Highway) 355, in its current structure, is way ahead of its projected form and transportation usage and has been a major benefit to people 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 trying to travel in that part of the state. The extensions on both the north and south part of that toll road system will further improve the transportation network for northern Illinois. I commend the Sponsors of this legislation, and proudly offer my support and cast an 'aye' vote for the same."
"Representative Hassert."
"Mr. Speaker, I too rise in support of this legislation. This is a much needed tollway in our area and if anybody has traveled the 355, existing 355, they see the extreme benefits. The concerns about building that tollway are put to rest now. I strongly encourage this going into Will county. It will provide the needed transportation, jobs and economic development. I encourage all vote 'yes'. Thank you."
"Representative Giglio."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, too, rise in support of this Resolution, and right now it really doesn't go far enough. If anybody drives I-80 and the Borman Expressway in Indiana, this thing not only should end at 57, it should go to route 394, tie into route 65 in Indiana, and perhaps you get some of those 18 wheelers and those 80,000 pounders off the Borman, the Calumet expressway and all the way down through the City of Chicago, and bring them around to the northern suburbs where they're going anyway, and I would urge everybody to get on this Bill and keep it going, and hopefully one day it'll go into Indiana."
"Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in support of this Resolution, and I was pleased to hear a previous speaker mention the term 'golden 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 goose', because what this Resolution proposes to do is to enable that portion of this state that provides the state's economic engine, the provides the taxes to the State of Illinois so that our state can do the things that it needs to do, the one area in this state in which the economy is actually flourishing, it enables that area of the state to pay its own way for transportation, the 'golden goose' will not continue to lay golden eggs for the State of Illinois unless we enable it to pay its own way, so that at least it can get around the hen yard. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've sponsored this Resolution for the last seven years that I've served in this House, and I'm delighted to see it freed up, to finally see 355 alive. One thing that everybody has to remember is that who pays for these tollways? It doesn't cost the State of Illinois a nickel. These tollways are paid by the suburban users of the tollway at the tollbooth, and it doesn't...and that frees up millions of dollars worth of motor fuel tax money for roads throughout the rest of the system of highways in Illinois. It's a good resolution, and a good Bill. It's about time we freed up the gridlock in northeastern Illinois, and I urge your favorable passage."
"Representative Meyer."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Currently, I reside in a community that is at the southern most end of the 355 toll road. What that has meant to my community is that during its first year of opening we brought 1,800 jobs to that community. That's what a good road system, a good transportation corridor means for economic development. That's what I hear a lot 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 of people here talking about, they want to bring more economic development to the state and certainly this helps any area by which transportation systems serve. I would encourage an 'aye' vote on this, because I believe that it opens up a tremendous corridor for those communities that are directly affected, and also it opens up a lot of job development elsewhere in the state, because of the huge economic help that we have in the metropolitan area, and I would urge a 'yes' vote."
"Representative McGuire moves for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution #14. All those in favor will indicate by voting 'aye'; opposed voting 'nay'. The board is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. This Resolution having received 96 'aye', 13 voting 'nay' and 2 voting 'present', having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1178, offered by Representative Noland; House Resolution 1179, offered by Representative Lawfer; House Resolution 1182, offered by Representative Granberg; House Resolution 1184, offered by Representative Churchill; House Resolution 1185, offered by Representative Hannig; House Resolution 1187, offered by Representative Gash; House Resolution 1188, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 1189, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 1192, offered by Representative Hawkins; House Resolution 1193, offered by Representative Tim Johnson; House Resolution 1196, offered by Representative Noland; House Resolution 1197, offered by Representative Dart; House Resolution 1198, offered by Representative Clayton; House Resolution 1199, offered by 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day July 1, 1993 Representative DeJaegher; House Resolution 1201, offered by Representative Morrow; House Resolution 1202, offered by Representative Flinn; House Resolution 1203, offered by Representative Lindner; House Resolution 1206, offered by Representative McPike; House Joint Resolution 62, offered by Representative Noland; House Joint Resolution 63, offered by Representative Pedersen; House Joint Resolution 65, offered by Representative Steczo."
"Representative Granberg moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1180, offered by Representative Giolitto, with respect to the memory of Richard F. Balentyne. House Resolution 1190, offered by Representative Roskam, with respect to the memory of John D. Senne, Jr. House Resolution 1191, offered by Representative Morrow, with respect to the memory of Estes Evans. House Resolution 1194, offered by Representative Tim Johnson, with respect to the memory of Herman Behrens. House Resolution 1195, offered by Representative Tim Johnson, with respect to the memory of Fred Corray."
"Representative Granberg moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1183, offered by Representative Giorgi and. House Resolution 1186, offered by Representative Granberg."
"Committee on Assignment. Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker." 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 76th Legislative Day
"Can we please, have some attention." July 1, 1993 "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are prepared to adjourn for the evening, and we will return at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. I'd like to be able to give you some indication concerning scheduling over the next few days. Unfortunately, as either you know or could guess, why...we are making progress in terms of our negotiations to end the Session. But, at times we take two steps forward and one step back. So, everything is very speculative right now. There is the possibility, possibility that we would leave tomorrow and come back sometime next week. That is a possibility. But, before I can be more definitive on that, I'd have to meet with the Governor and the other Leaders, which we will do early in the morning and then advise you as to where we will be on scheduling. So, I do apologize for not being able to give you more definite information right now. But, we are doing the best we possibly can in terms of negotiating toward some settlements so we can end the Session. So, with that Mr. Speaker, I would renew my Motion to adjourn to 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning."
"The Adjournment Resolution by Representative Madigan to adjourn till 11:00 o'clock tomorrow. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The House stands adjourned until 11:00 tomorrow morning." 31 REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JULY 01, 1993 93/09/30 11:38:47 H3-2062 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 7 H3-2464 SECOND READING PAGE 9 H3-2464 SECOND READING PAGE 14 H2-2464 MOTION PAGE 8 HB-2464 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 13 S3-0273 CONFERENCE PAGE 19 SB-0300 CONFERENCE PAGE 22 SB-0536 CONFERENCE PAGE 20 S3-0941 CONFERENCE PAGE 21 SJR-0014 ADOPTED PAGE 29 SJR-0014 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 22 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER GIGLIO PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND GARY MCCANTS PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 4 REPRESENTATIVE LAURINO IN CHAIR PAGE 18 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 18 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 18 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 29 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 30 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 30 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 31