Illinois House Floor Debate — April 26, 1994

"The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is Doctor Gary Rhodes of the Elliot Avenue Baptist Church in Springfield, Illinois. Doctor Rhodes is the guest of Representative Vickie Moseley. The guests in the balcony may wish to rise and join us for the invocation."

"Let us pray. Eternal God, history and experience have given us so many evidences of Your guidance to nations, and to individuals that we should not doubt Your power or Your willingness to direct us. Give us the faith to believe that it is possible to live victoriously, even in the midst of crisis and change. On the eve of our nation's official day of mourning, we pay respect to the memory of the 37th President of the United States; the honorable Richard Milhous Nixon. We pause in these moments to salute his sterling love of country, and his tireless quest for world peace. May Thy will be done in us, and through us for the good of Illinois, America, and all humanity. Amen."

"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Persico."

Persico et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that all Republican Members are present."

"Thank you. Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Let the record show that Representatives Hawkins, Kotlarz, and Phelan are all excused today." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Thank you. Representative April 26, 1994 Granberg, are you present? Thank you. Mr. Clerk, take the record. One hundred and fifteen Members answering the roll call, a quorum is present. Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 2366, offered by Representative Tenhouse; House Resolution 2367, offered by Representative Black; House Resolution 2368, offered by Representative Tom Johnson; House Resolution 2370, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2371, offered by Representative Hanrahan; House Resolution 2373, offered by Representative Flowers; House Resolution 2374, offered by Representative Ryder; House Resolution 2376, offered by Representative Biggert; House Resolution 2377, offered by Representative Wojcik; House Resolution 2378, offered by Representative Ryder; House Resolution 2379, offered by Representative Tim Johnson; House Resolution 2380, offered by Representative Tim Johnson; House Resolution 2381, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2383, offered by Representative Moffitt; House Resolution 2385, offered by Representative Capparelli; House Resolution 2386, offered by Representative Woolard; House Resolution 2387, offered by Representative Dart; House Resolution 2390, offered by Representative Biggert; House Resolution 2391, offered by Representative Stephens; House Resolution 2392, offered by Representative Gash; House Resolution 2393, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2394, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2395, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2396, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2397, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2398, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2399, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2400, offered by 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Representative April 26, 1994 Younge; House Resolution 2401, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2402, offered by Representative Younge; House Resolution 2403, offered by Representative Younge; House Joint Resolution 143, offered by Representative Novak; House Joint Resolution 144, offered by Representative Biggert; House Joint Resolution 145, offered by Representative Biggert; Senate Joint Resolution 142, offered by Representative Stephens."

"Representative Granberg moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 2369, offered by Representative Gash; House Resolution 2388, offered by Representative Cowlishaw; House Resolution 2389, offered by Representative Cowlishaw."

"Speaker Madigan, in the Chair. Representative McPike, in the Chair. Committee on Assignment. Speaker Madigan, in the Chair."

"Would the Members please take their chairs? We have a special guest today. Would the staff please retire to the rear of the chamber? Ladies and Gentlemen, we're very pleased, today, to have with us the honorable Lee...excuse me, because one note from the staff was incorrect, so let me begin again. We're very pleased to have with us today the honorable Lee Brown, the Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, better known as the National Drug Czar. Mr. Brown has an extensive background in criminology and law enforcement. He holds a degree in criminology from Fresno State University, degree in sociology from San Jose State University in California. He began as a patrolman with the San Jose Police Department, 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 and has held a variety of ranks in law enforcement in different places in the country. He has come to Illinois today to deliver a very special message. We're very pleased to have him, and would you all please give him a very appropriate welcome. Mr. Brown."

"Thank you, Speaker Madigan and distinguished Members of the General Assembly. It's my great privilege to be with you today to talk about a subject that is a paramount concern, not only here in your great state, but throughout the nation; that's drugs and violence in our communities. As you know, last February, the President released his national drug control strategy to deal with the drug problem. That's what I want to discuss with you briefly this afternoon. The first point I would like to make is this; despite its focus on federal agencies and federal programs our national drug program strategy is a national strategy, not just a federal one. It is a national strategy because drugs and crime are having an impact on virtually every town and every city, and every county and every state in America. It's not a Republican problem or a Democratic problem. It's not a problem just for our cities, it's not a black or white problem. It's not just my problem as the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. Drugs and violence are everyone's problem, they are America's problem. And that is why the Federal Government alone can't make progress against drugs and violence without the active engagement of concern and committed citizens and public officials at the state and local levels. I'm talking not only about State Legislators, such as yourself, but also business people, educators, local officials, clergy, and above all, the ordinary men and women who live in ordinary neighborhoods. 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Because drugs and violence affect us all, our strategy is also a community-based strategy. Indeed, we chose to title the 1994 strategy, 'Reclaiming Our Communities from Drugs and Violence'. I f I were to single out one overarching principle of our strategy, it would be this, that we believe, the President believes, I believe, that every citizen in every community from the most impoverished inner city neighborhoods to the wealthiest suburb has a right to be safe and secure in their home and in their neighborhood. And to that end, we want to empower towns and cities and local neighborhoods across this nation. We want to give them the tools to seize control of their own destinies, to take back their streets, their parks, and their schools from the gangs and the drugs and the guns. Allow me to sketch for you the dimensions of the drug problem in America. Nearly 80 million Americans have tried illegal drugs, and over ll million are current drug users; chronic, hard-core, addicted drug use continues unabated, especially in our urban areas. Two weeks ago the Department of Health and Human Services released new data showing that drug related admissions to our emergency hospital rooms were up by 9% over the first half of 1992. Most of the increase was caused by a significant rise in heroin related emergencies, which are up by 44%, and recently we also received the bad news from the 'University of Michigan Monitoring the Future survey', that after years of overall declines and casual drug use more of our young people have either used drugs or think it might be okay to use them. But even these numbers don't tell the real story about the drug abuse, and the violent crime it spawns and what it's doing to this country. They don't tell you about the fear, the fear of citizens as they walk the streets in their own 5  120th Legislative Day neighborhoods. STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 The fear of children as they walk to school or even when they're in school. As the President said, 'This fear is crippling our society, limiting personal freedom, and fraying the ties that bind us'. As you may know the President has asked the Congress to provide $13.2 billion for drug control and prevention programs, the largest budget ever, an increase of $1 billion over the current year. But even more important than the amount of money is how these funds will be spent. Our new strategy departs from previous strategies in a number of important respects, and it challenges all Americans to view the drug problem in a whole new way. The strategy rejects the false dichotomy between programs that reduce the demand for drugs and those that reduce the supply. We need both, working together in an integrated fashion, the strategy recognizes, as I believe most law enforcement professionals recognize, that demand reduction programs cannot succeed if drugs are readily and cheaply available. Likewise, drug law enforcement cannot succeed unless this nation's appetite for illegal drugs is curbed. And, unlike previous strategies, which concentrated on reducing casual drug use, the new strategy also focuses on hard-core drug use, the toughest aspect of the entire drug problem. And, although not as numerous as the casual drug users, the chronic drug user causes a disproportionate share of the violent crime and the human misery that afflict our communities, especially our disadvantaged communities. It has been estimated that only 20% of the cocaine users in this country are responsible for using up to 80% of all the cocaine sold on the streets of our cities. We know that effective drug treatment is key to breaking the cycle of hard-core drug use, and that is why we're asking additional 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 funds in this area. Our strategy emphasizes treatment, not only because it is the compassionate thing to do, but also because it is a smart thing to do. Each dollar we spend on drug treatment is repaid seven-fold, in the form of reduced crime and lower public expenditures. I would add also that although it's not as widely recognized, drug abuse contributes greatly to the nation's rise in health care cost. A recent study estimated that drug use is responsible for $3.2 billion annually in medical costs. If you add the cost of alcohol abuse, the figures grow dramatically larger. Our strategy is requesting $355 million in new targeting fund to treat an additional 74,000 hard-core addicted drug users; and in the crime Bill, soon to be conferenced in the Congress, is fundings sufficient to treat another 65,000 drug users through the criminal justice system. As the President put it recently, 'When you look at the percentage of people who commit crimes, who have a drug or alcohol abuse problem it does not make any sense to put them back on the streets without adequate drug treatment'. Another good idea in the crime Bill is support for drug courts, a very promising initiative pioneered by Attorney General Janet Reno in Dade County, Florida when she was the State's Attorney. Drug courts have proven to be effective in several cities in helping nonviolent drug offenders obtain the treatment they need to get off drugs and put their lives back on track. In Illinois you've made a serious commitment to criminal justice drug treatment. Last fall I visited the Violence Interruption Program in Chicago, which is run jointly by Cook County Sheriffs Office, and the Illinois Treatment Alternative to Street Crime, and which tries to get young drug offenders off drugs, and keep them out of further trouble. And on the 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 subject of drug treatment, I should add that when the Presidents Health Security Act becomes law every American will gain access to treatment for substance abuse programs...problems through the new substance abuse benefit. And that's a very important aspect of legislation pending before our Congress, because not only will every American have the benefit of quality guaranteed health care that cannot be taken away from them, but also every American would have substance abuse treatment as part of the national health care system. Of course, I think we all could agree that the best anti-drug program is prevention. Stopping drug use before it starts, to that end, we would increase our efforts to instill in America's youth, a set of values that will inoculate them against the allure of drug trafficking, and the escape of drug addition. The strategy proposes a $191 million increase in funding for safe and drug free schools programs, and it calls on all adults to let their children know in no uncertain terms that drugs are not only dangerous, they are also illegal. Some have criticized our strategy's high priority on prevention. Well, as someone who has been in law enforcement for over 30 years, I've learned that a little effort paid up front to prevention can hit off a lot of criminal activity down the line. Others say that our strategy's new emphasis on demand reduction means that law enforcement is now a lower priority. That is absolutely false. Overall the strategy calls for increase of assistance for state and local government by more than 300%. The President remains committed to making good his pledge to put a 100,000 additional police on the streets of American cities. As you know, we made a down payment with grants to 108 local law enforcement agencies under the 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Police Hiring Supplement Plan. Over the next several months, grants will be awarded to another 100 additional police departments. You should also know that the President's pledge that if the Congress passes the Crime Bill without further delay, he will cut through the bureaucracy and the red tape to make sure that 20,000 of the new police officers are hired, trained, and ready to go to work within a year. These new officers will make a real difference in communities throughout your great state. The strategy proposes a dramatic increase in community policing initiatives to help neighborhood residents take back their streets. This concept of the police entering into genuine partnerships with the citizens to prevent crimes before they occur, and arrest offenders when they do occur, is absolutely basic to our strategy. You know and I know that when it is done right community policing works. When we initiated it in Houston, Texas when I served as police chief there, we saw the crime rate go down; when we implemented it in New York City, when I was that city's police commissioner, the crime rate declined there as well. And community policing is making a real difference here in Illinois. As part of the President's $150 million hiring supplement, our administration awarded grants to Carbondale, Carol Stream, Chicago, Country Club Hills, East St. Louis, and Moline to put more police officers on the streets in this state for community policing. And with the $9 billion program included as part of the crime Bill, we'll be able to help communities implement community policing on a much larger scale. One area in which our strategy departs from previous drug strategies is advocacy of gun control and its recognition of the close link between drugs and violence. Too many guns get into the 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 wrong hands, into the hands of young people, into the hands of career criminals. The Centers for the Disease Control now predicts that firearms will soon become the number one cause of injury deaths in America, surpassing deaths from motor vehicles. The problem's even worse in the minority community. A young african american male of this country is seven times more likely to die from a gunshot wound than his white counterpart. In fact, gunshots are now the leading cause of death for young black males. We all should hang our heads in shame over the fact in this country, a child dies from gunshot wounds every two hours. The President is committed and I am committed to ending this senseless slaughter. We find ourselves in a unique position that for the first time in the history of this country, if not for the history of this world, our children are killing our children. In November, the President signed the 'Brady Law', and already there are only two months since it has been implemented thousands of felons and fugitives have been stopped from purchasing handguns, and this very week the House of Representatives in Washington will begin to consider an issue that has been contentious here in Illinois, an assault weapons ban. I don't know the specifics of your own proposal, but the President's is as simple as it is straightforward. Specifically, it bans 19 of the deadliest assault weapons, but exempts more than 650 legitimate sporting and hunting weapons. We're not asking anyone to take the government's word on these, on what weapons will or won't be banned, SO we're writing it right into the law. Interdiction and international programs will continue to play an important role in our drug strategy, because what happens in Peru and Colombia and Bolovia affects the availability of deadly 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 drugs on the streets of Chicago and in Rockford and Peoria. Under our strategy we will shift the emphasis of our international programs to strengthen the ability of source and transit countries to combat their own drug trafficking organizations, intensify our tact on international drug kingpins, and step up efforts to interdict drugs and eradicate drug crops at their source. Recently, I named the Commandant of the Coast Guard, Admiral Kime to be the Federal Government's first interdiction coordinator. Admiral Kime will help me to ensure that the several federal agencies responsible for interdiction of drugs at our border, work together smoothly and efficiently and avoid wasteful overlap and duplication. Finally, I'd like to touch briefly on one additional way in which our strategy departs from previous strategies. In the past, drug policy was seen as totally separate from other policy areas, both domestic and international. We think that's the wrong approach because the drug problem won't be solved by drug programs alone, no matter how effective they may be. I'd understand that in Illinois the Illinois Alcoholism and Drug Dependence Association has mounted an educational campaign to better inform policymakers and the public about the relationship between crime, drugs and violence and education and health care and other social problems. It's important that we all recognize these linkages. To make real progress over the long term we're going to have to confront not only the symptoms of crime and drugs, but also their underlying causes. We must address the problem of poverty in our country. We must address health care and make health care a right and not a privilege. We must address the lack of affordable housing. We must address poor education and poor schools and 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 weakened social institutions. We must address the problem of racism and discrimination in our country, and that is why we want to empower communities across America to resist and prevent drugs and crime. The President's empowerment zones and enterprised communities will target 104 of the most disadvantaged urban and rural areas of the country, often those hit hardest by drugs and crime and violence. Communities will be able to use their federal grants to expand drug treatment services and drug law enforcement, as well as community-based drug education and prevention programs. Before I conclude, I want to say a word about the legalization issue. As I said, I've been in law enforcement for over 30 years. During that time, I've served as an undercover narcotics officer; I've walked the beat, and I've ran some of the toughest cities in this country: Atlanta, Houston and New York City. In that capacity, I've seen what drugs do to men and women, what they do to families, what they do to communities. I've seen what drugs do to our disadvantaged communities. I know that the struggle against violence and addiction is a very difficult one, costly, and often frustrating. But legalizing drugs will lead to more drug use, not less; more unemployment, not less; more violence, not less; higher health costs, not lower. We say in this administration that we should offer help to those who need help, those who are addicted to drugs and arrest those who sell drugs, but we should never, ever, ever surrender. I'm confident that with our new strategy, this nation will make progress against drugs and violence. But as I said earlier, the strategy can't do it all. The government can't do it all, and certainly I can't do it all. Each of us must take responsibility for our own actions. Parents must take 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 responsibility for their children, and teach them that using drugs is wrong, that violence is a dead end. Citizens must ban together to take back their neighborhoods, block by block, and each of us must make room in our lives to help a troubled person to get back on the right track. Let me again, Mr. Speaker, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to share this time with you and share with you this administration's approach to addressing what we consider to be one of the more serious, one of the number one domestic problems in this country; that is a problem of substance abuse, and how we believe that working together the Federal Government, State Government, local government, and the people of our great country that we can, we will make a difference, and make our future better for our and children. Thank you very much."

"Mr. McPike, in the Chair."

"Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 2372, offered by Representative Dart, with respect to the memory of Doctor John Meyer. House Resolution 2375, offered by Representative Shirley Jones, with respect to the memory of Matthew Tillman. House Resolution 2382, offered by Representative Ryder, with respect to the memory of Charles J. 'Bud' Ryan. House Resolution 2404, offered by Representative Turner, with respect to the memory of Louis Curry."

"Special Order, State Operations, Second Reading, appears House Bill 2729, Representative Morrow. Mr. Morrow. House Bill 2838, Representative Sheehy. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2838, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Representative Homer."

"Representative Homer." April 26, 1994

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. The underlying Bill is the Bill that would allow the Secretary of State to suspend the driving privileges of a juvenile driver under the age of 21 with any trace amount of alcohol in the system. The Amendment was one that was agreed upon in committee that would allow for a hearing process and due process by the juvenile who was subject to this suspension, to allow that juvenile to seek a hearing before the court, and I believe the Amendment improves the Bill. I would try to answer questions. I would move the adoption of House Amendment #1."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative, I assume from the Amendment that there was no provision for right of due process in the underlying Bill?"

"That was a concern that was expressed in committee, that is correct."

"That's...does this Amendment in response to some concerns that some people had about, not everyone agreed, but I think someone said that you could literally be on your way home from Communion, if you were in a church that still served altar wine, obviously it might register, and with the zero tolerance, you'd lose your license without benefit of due process. So, I think your Amendment at least gives the accused an opportunity to present evidence in his or her case, if that's your intent. Correct?"

"Correct." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Thank you very much." April 26, 1994

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3435. This Bill has been read a second time previously. Is there a fiscal note filed?"

"A fiscal note has not been filed."

"All right, out of the record. House Bill 3804, Representative Steczo. Mr. Steczo. He's not here. House Bill 3924. Mr. Clerk, that's on Third Reading, take it out of the record. Transportation, Second Reading. House Bill 2570, Representative Leitch. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2570, a Bill for an Act amending the Joliet. Marquette Trail Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Leitch."

"Mr. Leitch."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #1 simply clarifies that the signage for the river road plaques, it distinguishes between those that would be paid for by the state and assures that the responsibility of the cities and counties for are providing the other ones."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2573, Representative 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Giolitto. Giolitto? Out of the record. April 26, 1994 (House Bill) 2601, Representative Hoffman. Representative Giolitto, do you wish your Bill called? (House Bill) 2573. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2573, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Lawfer."

"Mr. Lawfer."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Amendment #1 creates a special EMT plates, and a lot of good citizens donate and volunteer a lot of time to serve as EMTs and they would have special EMT plates that would be issued by the Secretary of State."

"Is there any discussion of the Amendment? Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."

"Yes, proceed."

"Representative Lawfer, have you talked with the Sponsor of the Bill, regarding your Amendment, and is she..."

"No, I haven't...but on the other hand I would appreciate her cooperation with this."

"Well, as a matter of protocol, Representative, you know, with due respect to you, because I know you're in favor of this, but we'd like to talk to the Sponsors to see if they're opposed or if they're in favor of the Amendments; and, since no one has talked to the Sponsor, we would rise in opposition to the Amendment. I believe the Sponsor wants to keep the Bill clean."

"I ask that the Bill be taken out of the record."

"All right, the Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Further Amendments?" 16  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on this Bill."

"All right, the Bill stays on Second Reading. Representative Black, for what reason do you rise? Nothing, all right. The next Bill is Representative Hoffman, House Bill 2601. Mr. Hoffman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2601, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Hoffman."

"Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #2 is an agreed Amendment with the Department of Transportation. I ask that they put it on essentially indicating that, that the decision on this will be made by local municipalities, and that the local municipality cannot put the light on blinking."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"All right, the Bill stays on Second Reading. Representative. Who is seeking recognition? Representative Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd move that the fiscal note is inapplicable. This Bill has no fiscal implications whatsoever."

"All right, the Gentleman moves that the fiscal 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day note is inapplicable to this Bill; and Representative Black." April 26, 1994 on that Motion,

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I simply rise to oppose the Gentleman's Motion that the fiscal note is not applicable. This Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Amendment simply says that people in your district will not be able to solicit money at traffic intersections, the way many social service clubs have been doing for years and years and years, and it will have a fiscal impact. It appears to me that the municipality will have to enforce this Act, and that it does impose some standards of due process on the municipalities. I think they would regard this as an unfunded mandate. I speak against the Gentleman's Motion. I think the fiscal note is, in this fact, applicable."

"House Bill 2601, Third Reading. There was no fiscal note request filed on the Bill, as amended. The Bill is on Third Reading. Representative Currie, House Bill 2691. Ms. Currie? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2691, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative, excuse me, Representative Persico, for what reason do you rise?"

"I was hoping that my Amendment would be called."

"Pardon me?"

"I'm on Amendment #3, I'm sorry."

"Representative Wennlund, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 basically is a very simple Amendment and provides that the General 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Assembly declares that it is not the public policy of this state to mandate any particular percentage of crumb rubber modifiers and asphalt for paving applications. Just so that it's not a mandate, and is a voluntary program. Ask for its adoption."

"All right, is there any discussion on the Amendment? Mr. Wennlund, did you move for the adoption of the Amendment? Is there any discussion? Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative, since the Bill itself doesn't say anything about percentages, why did you feel it necessary to specify that no percentages specified in the Bill? I don't understand. I'd like to know what your rationale here is?"

"The Department of Transportation was concerned that, that the original Bill would mandate certain fixed percentages of the crumb rubber, rubber tires."

"But this is a demonstration program, and I don't believe that the Bill itself specifies a percentage. Can you show me where in the Bill there is a specification?"

"It's my understanding the Department of Transportation felt that it was."

"Could you tell me where in the Bill that percentage is specified?"

"I can't answer the question, I..not without going through the entire Bill."

"So, Representative, there's nothing in the Bill that specifies a percentage."

"It's my understanding that the Department of 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Transportation, that was their concern, and that's the reason for the Amendment. Just to clarify that the fact that, indeed, there is no specified mandated percentages of used rubber."

"Representative Hartke, for what reason do you Hartke: rise?" "Well, I would like just to make comment. I think that Amendment #2 clarifies that it's setting up just two demonstration projects, and it does not say anything about a percentage or whatever. So, I'm not sure that Amendment #2 is necessary at all, Representative Wennlund."

"Mr. Wennlund."

"Right, so I would urge a 'no' vote on this Amendment, since Amendment #1 just sets up two field demonstrations for the use of crumb rubber on developing a roadway, and so forth. And, it doesn't address the question of percentage at all, because Amendment #1 deletes everything after the enacting clause. So, when you're referring to the percentage, it wouldn't, where would you put it? I think possibly your Amendment is out of order, or it is ill drafted...or something."

"Mr. Wennlund, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the sole purpose of the Amendment is just to make sure that, the concerns about mandated specified percentages of, of rubber tires and asphalt, just is not the policy of this state. I think that's necessary. I don't think it affects Amendment #1 at all, or the programs."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'noes' have it, and the Amendment is defeated. Further 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Amendments?" April 26, 1994

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Persico."

"Representative Persico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the General Assembly. Amendment #3 amends the School Code and Natural Resources Act. It requires the state board of education, and the Department of Energy and Natural Resources to conduct a joint study to determine the feasibility."

"Excuse me. Representative Granberg, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of Order. The Amendment amends a different Act than the underlying Bill, so I would ask the Chair to rule if the Amendment is germane or not. The Amendment."

"Representative Persico, your Amendment is not germane. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative..."

"Just a minute, Mr. Clerk. Representative Persico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under House Rule 36 (d), the rule states that the Amendment is in order as long as it's related to the subject of the Bill, and since Representative Currie's Bill amends the Environmental Protection Act; my Bill deals with the environment in terms of recycling program, and I do think it is related to her particular Bill. And under 55 (c), and I'm joined by four other Members of this side, we want a Roll Call Vote on this, please."

"You want a Roll Call Vote on what?"

"On Amendment #3, to overrule the Chair."

"So, Representative Persico moves to overrule the 21  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Chair. And on the Motion to overrule the Chair, all those in favor of Representative Persico, to vote to overrule the Chair to vote 'aye'; those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Black. Never mind. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Hartke, did you want to talk? Turn off your light. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 51 'ayes' and 64 'noes'. Representative Wennlund, for what reason do you rise?"

"Request a Verification of Negative Votes."

"All right, the Gentleman has asked for a Verification of the Negative Votes. Mr. Representative Wennlund. Mr. Wennlund, it takes 60 votes to pass this Motion. It takes 60 votes to pass this Motion. So, if you verify off all of the negative votes, the Motion still fails. So, the Chair will rule that your request is dilatory. Mr. Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Request a verification of the 'aye' votes."

"The Chair misspoke, it's 71 votes to overrule the Chair. So, Mr. Wennlund, if you verify all of the affirmative votes, you will still have 51 votes, and so the Chair will rule that that request is also dilatory. Further Amendments? Take the record. On this Motion, there are 51 'ayes', 64 'noes', and the Motion fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #4, merely requires that the two field demonstration projects that are mandated in the Bill 22  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 as amended in committee, shall be totally funded by the Illinois Department of Energy and Natural Resources through funds that it's received through the used tire management fund, which was the original purpose of the entire legislation anyway, SO that projects like this would be funded out of the used tire management fund. I ask for it's adoption."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to the Amendment. The Bill itself is silent on where funding shall come from. There's no reason that the department, in conjunction with the Department of Energy and Natural Resources, could not find funding through that source. But, I see no reason to limit a demonstration project to the sources that are proposed in Amendment #4. This is an effort to kill the Bill. If anyone wants to vote against this very mild, very small demonstration project program on Third Reading, they are of course more than welcome to do so. But I think the effort in this Amendment is to try to gut this small program, this small project and I would strenuously oppose adoption of this Amendment."

"Representative Hartke."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I stand in opposition of this Amendment, too, in agreement with the previous speaker. But I also think that if we decided that any agency could make a demand to the Department of Transportation to use any material and two demonstration projects and fund it, it takes the authority away from the Department of Transportation, and I really object to this concept."

"Representative Black." 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Pursuant to Rule 55 (c), I am joined by a sufficient number of my colleagues to ask for a record vote on Floor Amendment #4, and if I might speak to the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, proceed."

"Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the underlying Bill has something to do with rubber modified asphalt. This Amendment just clarifies where the rubber meets the road. I think that before you pass this thing out, you'd better take a look at this Amendment, or your liable to be bouncing up and down the highways. I don't even know how much content rubber modified asphalt will be. It's a good Amendment. Vote 'aye'.

"All right, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor of the Amendment vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 49 'ayes', 63 'noes'. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note and a state mandates note, as amended, has been requested on the Bill."

"All right, the Bill stays on Second Reading. Representative Hartke, House Bill 3201. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3201, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Stephens."

"Representative Stephens."

"Excuse me, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I'd like to ask 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 for a Roll Call Vote on this Amendment, under Rule 55 (c) the staff advises me, and think my colleagues would join me on this Motion. This Amendment adds provisions to the original Bill to amend the State Police Act. It's actually a non-controversial, technical Amendment, Mr. Speaker, and I move its adoption."

"Is there anyone in opposition to this Amendment? To this non-controversial, technical Amendment? Representative Hartke."

"Well, Representative Stephens, my good friend, have you asked and talked to me about this technical Bill? Can you refresh my memory, please? What type of change..."

"Representative Hartke, I don't know if I specifically talked to you about this Amendment, but I did talk to you about House Bill 1792. This is simply a technical correction, requested by the Department of State Police. I don't recall, Chuck, if I specifically told you about this Amendment. If I haven't spoken to you, I apologize. I really don't think there's any controversy in this, and I would hope that you would join me in asking for some support on that side of the aisle."

"Well, could you explain what 1792 does then, please?"

"Representative, it just changes some section numbers. This was a House Bill that was passed and became law last year. LRB has asked for some corrective language in noting the sections. I can specifically tell you that on the second page of the Bill, Section 115-13, Section (a) changes the letter (c) to letter (b)..."

"I see what you're doing. I agree."

"Okay?"

"Okay."

"Thank you, Chuck." 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "Do you still wish for a roll call? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Hartke."

"Representative Hartke."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Last year we passed a piece of legislation through the Transportation Committee, the Governor signed, that dealt with the passage of wide vehicles through a construction zone, and we gave some exemptions to the agriculture community. Those have turned out to be a real nightmare for me and the construction people, as well as the Department of Transportation, and the posting and signage that was required. So, an agreement has been worked out to amend that Act, to delete some of those provisions, and that's the purpose of Amendment #3."

"Representative Wennlund, on a 'do adopt'."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Amendment been printed and distributed? We don't have a copy of it here."

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"All right, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments. A fiscal note, as amended, has been requested on the Bill."

"Representative Hartke, a fiscal note has been requested. It stays on Second Reading. Representative Hartke." Representative. 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"Yes, talking with the staff here, he suggests that, he doesn't feel a fiscal note does apply, and I can't see either, and was surprised, I move the fiscal note is inapplicable."

"All right, the Gentleman moves the fiscal note is inapplicable; and on that Motion, Mr. Black."

"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I really believe the note is applicable, so again, pursuant to Rule 55 (c), I'm joined by four of my colleagues, and I ask for a Roll Call Vote."

"We'll have a Roll Call Vote. We'll have a roll call on this. The question is on the Gentleman's Motion, 'Is a fiscal note applicable?' All those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Mr. Hartke, it's your Motion, so. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 62 'ayes' and 52 'noes'. Mr. Black."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I believe I'd ask for a Verification of the Affirmative if the Motion carried."

"Yes, Mr. Clerk. Poll the absentees."

"Poll of those not voting. Representative Giglio. A poll of those voting in the affirmative."

"Just a minute please. Representative Sheehy."

"Ask to change my vote to 'yes' vote."

"All right, change Mr. Sheehy from 'no' to 'aye'. All right, proceed with the Poll of the Affirmative."

"Representative Balanoff. Representative Blagojevich. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Burke. Capparelli. Curran. Currie. Dart. Davis. Deering. DeJaegher. Dunn. Edley. Erwin. Flinn. Flowers. Frias. Gash. Giles. 27  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Giolitto. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Hoffman. Homer. Jones, Lou. Jones, Shirley. Kaszak. Lang.

Laurino. Levin. Lopez. Speaker McPike: "Just a minute, please. Representative McGuire would like to be verified, Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Will you verify Mr. McGuire; he's right here? Will you verify Mr. McGuire; he's right here. Yes. Anyone else? All right, proceed."

"Martinez. Mautino. McAfee. McGuire. McPike. Moore, Eugene. Morrow. Moseley. Murphy, H. Novak. Ostenburg. Phelps. Prussing. Pugh. Raschke-Lind. Ronen. Rotello. Saltsman. Santiago. Schakowsky. Schoenberg. Sheehy. Steczo. Stroger. Turner. von Bergen-Wessels. Woolard. Younge, and Mr. Speaker.

"All right, Mr. Black. Questions of the Affirmative."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative Giolitto?"

"Ms. Giolitto? Where's Giolitto? Where is she? She's back in the back. All right, she's here."

"Representative Raschke-Lind?"

"Representative Raschke-Lind, is she here? Yes, she's here."

"Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Deering would like to be verified, he's at the rear."

"Yes, well when he's going back there on his way to the restroom, tell them to tell Raschke-Lind that that's the men's restroom over here."

"It's also the smoking area."

"It is. Okay. Representative Kaszak?"

"Ms. Kaszak? Representative Schoenberg would like 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day to be verified, he's right here. Ms. Kaszak here? All right, remove her from the roll call."

"Representative Levin?"

"Representative Ellis Levin. Remove him from the roll call. All right, Mr. Giglio, how did you wish to vote? Aye? Giglio votes 'aye'. Proceed, Mr. Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative Flowers?"

"Ms. Flowers? The Lady's not here; remove her from the roll. No, the Chair is mistaken; she's in the rear. Ms. Flowers stays on the roll. Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise?"

"Would you change me to 'aye', please?"

"Mr. Stephens votes 'aye'. All right proceed, Mr. Black."

"All right, I have nothing further."

"All right, on this Motion, there are 63 'ayes'; 50 'noes', and the Motion, the Motion carries. Third Reading. All right, Representative Parke, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to bring to the attention of the Body that in the gallery are 37 young men and women from all over the world here on a rotary exchange fellowship program, and we'd just to like to welcome all these students from all over the world."

"Representative Pankau, House Bill 3478. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3478, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Salvi." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Salvi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. April 26, 1994 This Amendment simply allows counties the same flexibility in spending iced tea hours, as the Bill gives to municipalities, and that's the purpose of Amendment #1, and under 55 (c) I would ask for a record Roll Call Vote and I'm joined by..."

"Mr. Salvi has moved for the adoption of the Amendment. Representative Hartke."

"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. There were several Bills that came before my Transportation Committee, and this piece of legislation is just a little bit different than Representative Pankau's, and I'm in support of Representative Pankau's Bill, but Representative Salvi's legislation didn't get just one vote, it got two votes in committee, and now he's trying to piggyback this on Representative Pankau's Bill. I think it's a bad concept and a bad idea, and I stand in opposition to this Amendment on Representative Pankau's Bill."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you. It seems like it might be up to Representative Pankau if this Bill, if this Amendment is adopted. It's my understanding that the Chairman of the Transportation Committee would then rise in opposition to the Bill, as amended. That is my understanding if that is the case, it certainly might enhance the Representatives' chances to defeat this Amendment, in which case, Representative Pankau might want to speak to Representative Salvi's Amendments."

"Representative Pankau."

"My understanding of this Amendment, as it was filed, was to allow counties to have the same opportunity as municipalities would have had in my Bill. I have not 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 spoken to Representative Salvi about the specifics, but that was my general understanding of his Amendment. If that indeed is the case and there wasn't anything else involved in it. I have no problem with this Amendment going on. And maybe Representative Hartke could enlighten us as to exactly what the additional things were that were contained in Representatives Salvi's Bill that were not contained in mine."

"Representative Hartke."

"Representative Pankau, you were in committee as well as I, and heard this piece of legislation. Yours was accepted, and his was not by the majority of that committee. It seems to me now that this adds undue burden and restriction on a wider area than your legislation, and we agreed with you, yes we may want to try this, but the committee as a whole felt that Representative Salvi's idea was not a good idea at this time, and voted it down. Now, it's going to lead to some real problems with your legislation. There will be fiscal notes, and everything else that must be looked at. For yours, we planned on foregoing that at this time."

"Representative Pankau, did that answer your question? Representative Pankau."

"I believe Representative Salvi will remove the Amendment."

"Representative Salvi."

"I'd like to make it very clear that this Bill had the same number of votes as Carols, (Representative Pankau's). There was just a couple of Members out at the time of the vote. There was 14 'yes' votes on this Bill, not two, and it does exactly what I said it does. However, in light of the objection of the Representative, I will withdraw my 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Amendment #2."

"Amendment #2 is withdrawn.

"No further Amendments." April 26, 1994 Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Representative Churchill, 3658. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3658, a Bill for an Act amending the Chain-O-Lakes Fox River Waterway Management Agency Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Churchill."

"Amendment #2, Representative Churchill."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment changes the name of the agency to the Fox Waterway Agency, permits adoption of ordinances to improve the waterway and permits the agency to issue bonds and finance acquisitions, sets limits on the fines and fees that can be charged by the agency, and it permits enrollment of its employees in the IMRF. I would ask you to adopt Amendment #2."

"Representative Granberg, question on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Gentleman yield?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative Churchill, does the unit, the Fox Waterway Agency, have any taxing powers?"

"No, if there's, no taxing powers, no real estate taxing powers, it operates solely on fees which are charged on boat owners who put their boat in the waterways of the agency."

"Did the previous entity have taxing powers?"

"The previous entity did not, well the previous entity was the State of Illinois, the Division of Waterways had 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 control over it. Ten years ago, the voters in this area, by referendum, established this agency. It had a ten year sunset on it. That sunset came due this spring. The voters by a margin of three or four to one voted to allow the agency to continue in existence and the previous agency and the current agency has no general taxing authority."

"What the...is it the normal course, Representative? I saw that it permits the agency to borrow funds, and then to...they have the ability to borrow funds from any financial institution?"

"In the past, the language did not permit them to borrow money at all. Now that they have been put into a permanent organization, they may need, from time to time the ability to go out and acquire a piece of equipment or do something that would require them to pay for that. So, in the language that we're putting into place now, we give them the right to issue bonds, would give them the right to go out and finance these acquisitions from lending institutions."

"This would also give...so they have the right, they will have the right to borrow funds."

"Right, they have not had that right in the past ten years."

"This would also give them the right to issue bonds?"

"That is correct."

"What kind of bonds, jail bonds, revenue bonds?"

"It would have to be a bond that would relate to their fees structures since they have no taxing authority."

"So, that would not, when they would issue the bonds, there would be no, no assurance from any state or any other local entity to guarantee the bonds."

"That is correct. The bond holders would have to 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 assume the risk that the fee structure would maintain a sufficient revenue spin to pay back the bonds."

"Okay, thank you."

"Representative Hartke. Mr. Hartke, your microphone is on. Mr. Hartke. Mr. Hartke, your microphone is on."

"Thank you very much. Representative Churchill, will you yield for a question?"

"Yes, he will."

"In the discussion earlier in the committee, there was some concern about the agency having regulatory rights on the water shed and so forth. Is that correct?"

"That is correct. There was language that allowed them to adopt ordinances that would prevent pollution in the watershed from reaching the waterway. I think it's a specific...language."

"Right, but you don't plan on going up and setting up a requirements for where people spread chemicals and what is allowed and backsetting from, for agriculture and so forth."

"That is absolutely correct, Representative Hartke. It is not the intention of the agency to wander its way up into all the little tributaries, and tell farmers what they can and can't do with their properties. The basic watershed for this waterway comes from the State of Wisconsin, so we wouldn't be able to go in to the State of Wisconsin and do that anyway."

"Okay, I don't have any problem with that. Does this also set up a per diem for the Members of the board which is, hasn't been there in the past?"

"That was in the original Amendment, the Amendment I'm trying to put on now does not contain that language." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "This Amendment does not have those provisions in it."

"This does not have the, the director's fees in it. This Amendment does not."

"Thank you very much."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3691 (sic 2691), Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. I would ask the House to agree with me that the fiscal note request on that Bill is inapplicable. As you remember, this is a demonstration project dealing with chrome rubber; and, in fact, Representative Wennlund had an Amendment which we did reject, but which pointed the way for the Department of Transportation and the Department of Energy and Natural Resources to meet the requirements of the Act without finding any new dollars. So, I think the note request is inapplicable, and I would ask my colleagues to join me in so moving."

"And Mr. Black, on the Motion."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I simply rise in pursuant to 55 (c), joined by four of my colleagues, and we ask for a Roll Call Vote."

"We'll have a roll call. We'll have a roll call. The question is, is the, the Motion is that the fiscal note is inapplicable. All those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. This Motion takes a majority of those voting. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. 35  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 On this Motion, there are 62 'ayes' and 47 'noes', and the Motion carries. Third Reading. Representative... Representative Gash, on House Bill 3814. Out of the record. Returning to House Bill 3435. Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of order. There is a fiscal note request on House Bill 3435. On the face of the Bill itself, it shows a decrease, a decrease in the bonding authority. It's obvious there is no fiscal impact, I would move the fiscal note is, it does not apply."

"It's dilatory. On a point of Motion that the, that the Bills on the face of the Bills, the Bills call for a decrease in spending. Mr. Black, on that Motion. Actually, it's a point of order. Did you wish to speak to the Gentleman's point of order?"

"Yes."

"Yes, proceed."

"On the point of order, Mr. Speaker. Even though the underlying Bill is a vehicle and calls for a decrease, one never knows that it might cost money. It costs money to refinance today. So, on the point of order, I think the fiscal note is applicable, and would ask the Chair to so rule pursuant to Rule 55 (c) ask for a Roll Call Vote, as I'm joined by a number of my colleagues."

"Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's not get out of order. Yes. Let's not, let's not go beyond the question. He raised a point of order. You don't have a lot of Roll Call Votes on this point of order. So, there's no point in people raising their hands. He asked for a point of order."

"That's true."

"All right, yes he did." 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"My colleague just threw his elbow out, I'm sorry."

"Yes, the Gentleman's point of order is well-taken. A fiscal note request is dilatory. Third Reading. House Bill 3436. Mr. Granberg."

"Thank you. A point of order, Mr. Speaker. Similarly with this Bill, the fiscal note, the final fiscal note is dilatory. On its face, it is a decrease; it has, it does not apply."

"Your point is well-taken. The fiscal note is dilatory. Third Reading. Pensions, Second Reading, House Bill 3993, Mr. Granberg. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3993, a Bill for an Act amending the State Pensions Funds Continuing Appropriation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note and a pension impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"All right, Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not, was unaware the fiscal note had been filed. We will request...I will...file a fiscal note."

"All right, it stays on Second Reading. State and Local Government, Second Reading, House Bill 2704, Representative Tim Johnson. Tim Johnson here? No. Representative Edley, on House Bill 2727. Edley? Mr. Edley here? Mr. Novak, 2754. Mr. Edley, there he is, do you want your Bill read? Mr. Edley, 2727. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2727, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill." 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 120th Legislative Day

"All right, Representative Giglio, in the Chair."

"Representative Edley. Bill has been read. Take it out of the record. Take it out of the record. Under State and Local Governments, Second Reading, appears House Bill 2805, Representative Moseley. Are there any... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2805, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Fair Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Moseley, the Clerk informed me that there's a fiscal note filed, so it will have to... Representative Moseley."

"Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I move that it does not apply. An inquiry of the Chair."

"The Lady requests that the fiscal note does not apply. All those in favor... Representative Black, are you seeking recognition?"

"Well, yes I am, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair. Did the Representative file, is she moving that the fiscal note be ruled inapplicable?"

"I believe that's what the Lady is implying, yes."

"And, can I speak to that Motion?"

"You sure may."

"Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The underlying Bill says if you're an Illinois horse owner and you want to board your horse at the state fair grounds, that you can bump somebody out from Indiana or Missouri or Iowa, who may have dozens of horses there being trained at some, at no 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 considerable dollar value to the State of Illinois. So, when you're going to throw those horses out, to say that there's not a fiscal impact, I mean that's ludicrous. So, in all due respect, Mr. Speaker, I rise pursuant to Rule 55 (c) and ask, and am joined by a sufficient number of my colleagues, and ask that there be a Roll Call Vote on this Motion, and should the Motion get a requisite number to pass, I will seek a verification."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of order. This is clearly dilatory, and I would so ask, SO request the Chair."

"Representative Black, Representative Granberg's point is well-taken. This doesn't apply to finances or money, it just is about the priority for Illinois horses versus out of state horses, so... Representative Kubik."

"Mr. Speaker, the Lady made a Motion. Mr. Black responded to the Motion. Now I realize that the Majority Party has seized upon a new initiative which is to say that everything is dilatory, and then we don't have votes on the Motion. But the Lady clearly made a Motion, and nobody said that the Motion, withdrew the Motion or said the Motion was out of order. The Motion is still on the table. It ought to be voted on."

"Representative Granberg was the Gentleman that brought it to the floor's attention, Representative Kubik. That it does dilatory, and the Parliamentarian looked at the Bill and informed the Chair that the monetary question of Representative Black questioned about is inapplicable. So.."

"Mr. Speaker, really I think that..."

"It's dilatory and well-taken, and it doesn't 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day apply." April 26, 1994

"Mr. Speaker, I think that, I really think that we ought to reexamine how we are proceeding here. Because, I think that what's going to happen is it's going to be very difficult to continue the business of this House, if we continue to use that particular parliamentary procedure to knock out some of these Motions, and I think that you're going to find that it's going to be very difficult to continue. All we're asking is a Motion. Now, if you don't think that the fiscal note applies, then you vote against it, but I don't see anything wrong with allowing a vote on the Motion, and Representative Moseley can certainly stand up in debate and make her point that it does not apply. But I think to just unilaterally dismiss these Motions based on a point of order is going to have some very serious repercussions. It's going to be tough to get through the Calendar today if this is what's going to happen. So I would ask, Mr. Speaker, that we consider these Motions and consider them well."

"Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. To some extent I do agree with Representative Kubik, and the last two days in the Chair, I've tried to take that into consideration. When the Republicans filed a request for a fiscal note on a vehicle Bill, I ruled that it was dilatory. The point of the Fiscal Note Act was to tell people on this floor roughly what the Bill would cost in its current shape or its current form, and a vehicle Bill costs nothing. I don't know what it's going to become in the Senate or what it's going to become if it comes back in a conference committee. No one knows. But the fiscal note was to tell us roughly what a Bill costs in its 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 current shape, and sitting in the Chair, I ruled that dilatory; and it was, it was silly, it was dilatory, because no matter what agency you sent the request to they would all come back and say the same thing, 'it costs nothing.' So some of these should be ruled on a point of order; dilatory. Other, other of them, and I agree with you, other of them on a case by case basis the individual should make a Motion. Now on this particular one I haven't looked at it, and Representative Granberg would like to address it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will withdraw my Motion, a point of order being dilatory and let the Lady make her Motion, argue her Motion on the fiscal note being applicable. So, I withdraw my point of order."

"The Gentleman withdraws his point of order and now we're on the Lady's Motion. Representative Moseley."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Previously stated in debate, way back when we were talking about the Motion, it was stated that this would have horse shows or horses being bumped out of stalls. What has come about actually is not what it's going to cost State Government; there really isn't a cost to State Government in this Bill. It could have a potential impact, but more than that, what is happening is out-of-state horse shows are bumping Illinois horse shows. So, I would like to point out that the impact is actually occurring in the current law, where Illinois owners of horses are losing revenues to out of state owners of horses on our state supported property at the state fairgrounds. So, I again rule that this fiscal note request is inapplicable, that this will actually generate more money for Illinois horse owners. Thank you." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Black." April 26, 1994

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. To the Sponsor's Motion, and the underlying reason perhaps for it. There is a space problem at the fairgrounds, as I understand it from the Department of Agriculture, that will be corrected within a year. She may in fact have some difficulty with this, but the Department of Agriculture is adamant that this may very well cost the State of Illinois revenue, if someone is here with a string of 20 or 30 show horses for a weekend or week long event, and an Illinois breeder who has two horses demands two stalls. Do you really think the person from Iowa or Missouri who has 40 horses is only going to put two of them out in the south 40 and keep the 38 here. That person will leave the show and leave the arena, and the Department of Agriculture is adamant that this could, in fact, negatively impact revenue to the Department of Agriculture and perhaps indirectly to the state fair. Remember, you all voted last year to make the state fair self-sustaining. Now you can't come back here because of a temporary problem that should be resolved in a year, and say, 'Well, that doesn't make any difference because somebody from Illinois ought to get priority'. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred I would agree with you, but some of the horse breeders who bring in dozens of horses and pay the going rate should not be made to leave and they will leave, if you say, 'well you're going to have to take two of your horses out of here, because there are two from Illinois that we want to board'. If we have the space, I would agree with the Sponsor of the Bill that we should give preference to Illinois horses. But, because of some remodeling, that isn't possible right now. So, I would ask you to think very carefully about what you're 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 doing and I urge you to vote against the Motion. The fiscal note on this Bill is applicable and I for one would like to know how much it would cost."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The liaison for the Department of Agriculture explained it to me this way, that if we give priority to the smaller shows, because they are residents of Illinois, then we lose the bigger out-of-state shows, and that's what's going to cost the department money. That's what's going to cost the state money and the amount of money that's spent here in Springfield, and at the fairgrounds. So, it would give priority to an in-state smaller show over an out-of-state larger show that would bring in a lot more revenue. That's the net effect of it and that's why the Department of Agriculture feels that the fiscal note is definitely applicable, and a 'yes' vote, or a 'no' vote on the Motion is a proper Motion and, Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Rule 55 (c) I demand and request, and I'm joined by five of my colleagues, a record vote on the issue."

"Representative Woolard."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think as Chairman of the Agriculture Committee that we have had a fair hearing on this issue. I think that we have discussed this. I think that the real difference between the interpretation of some people and the Sponsor of this legislation is the belief that the intent of the Bill is specific to saying reserve or hold the position that you have. There's nothing that says that the priority in this piece of legislation would kick someone out of a stall who was there for an out-of-state show or from an out-of-state area. What, in fact, it does 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 say, is that there will be a priority given to those people who pay taxes in this state, and I think that the real issue here is whether or not we believe that taxpayers in the State of Illinois have any special or specific additional reserved rights in an entity such as the state fair. I stand in support and believe that we positively do not have an applicable situation with this Fiscal Note Act."

"Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Body. Think back a year ago to legislation that came out of this chamber and became law which said the state fair shall be self-sustaining. They depend upon the revenue they generate to operate the following year. They are no longer a general revenue fund appropriation out of the House and Senate. What we're doing here is we're limiting the funds that the fair can generate. We're going to take a higher rate stall fee so you can't come in here because we're going to exempt this for a lower rate stall fee. We're cutting the revenues of the fair, and it's not just the revenues that are raised during the fair, it's to all the other horse events that come into the area. The previous speaker talked about what happened in committee, and said there was no testimony, and he was very correct. The Department of Agriculture was there to offer testimony, had filed a slip to offer testimony, but we passed it out on an Attendance Roll Call. There was no opportunity for the department to offer their testimony against the legislation in which said Illinois horses can preempt out-of-state horses at a lower fee. There is a fiscal impact here, very definitely, and you should vote 'no' on the Lady's Motion."

"Representative McPike." 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm for Representative...I'm for Representative Wennlund on this. I think we should have a roll call. And let's have a roll call right now. Are you for Missouri horses or Illinois horses? Are your for Iowa horses or Illinois horses? You for Kentucky horses or Illinois horses? Are you for Indiana horses or Illinois horses? I'm for Illinois horses. I'm with Vickie. Now if you want to vote for Illinois horses, vote for Representative Moseley. If you want to vote Kentucky horses, vote for Mr. Wennlund. If you want to vote for Indiana horses, vote for Mr. Black. If you want to vote for Iowa horses, vote for Mr. Wennlund. Want to vote for Wisconsin horses, vote for Mr. Black. If you'd like to vote for a couple of Illinois horses, vote for Representative Moseley. Let's vote."

"Representative Moseley, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I cannot put it anymore eloquently than Representative McPike. I f you are for Illinois horses, please vote 'yes'. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the fiscal note and the state debt impact fiscal note do not apply?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Representative Parke."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm confused. I like all the horses; I like Illinois horses; as a I like Iowa horses, and matter of fact I have a horse Bill. So I'm confused. Maybe Representative McPike can tell me if I like all the horses, which one should I vote for?"

"Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My name was used in debate. You know, I like all horses. Some of my best friends are horses, and some of my enemies are horse's you 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 know what. But I'll tell you this, Mr. Speaker, I'm for fiscally sound horses, no matter where they're from. I say to you, this will cost money, and I'm for fiscally sound horses, and put that in your bucket of oats and smoke it."

"Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that Representative Black used Representative Granberg's name in debate."

"On this question, there's 71 'yes'; and Representative Rutherford, are you seeking recognition? Representative Rutherford."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing side, I move to reconsider the vote by which this fiscal note was ruled inapplicable, this per House Rule 73, and I also want to have a Roll Call Vote, a roll call, pursuant to Rule 55 (c)."

"Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that that Motion lie on the table."

"All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The Motion lies on the table. The Motion lie on the table carries. On this 71 'yes', 40 'no', and the Lady's Motion prevails. Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2866, Representative Lang. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2866, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act of 1934. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Lang."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please withdraw Amendments 1-6."

"Are you the Sponsor of all six Amendments? The 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Gentleman indicates he is. Withdraw Amendments one through six, Mr. Clerk. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Lang."

"Representative Lang, on Amendment #7."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #7 is basically an agreed matter. We had...it is on the issue of some technical changes in the Liquor Control Act that involved the City of Chicago only. These changes are technical and it involves the petition to vote a precinct dry; it involves the number of days that the authority is to give its decision in a liquor case, and this is the product of negotiation with about 20 people around a table. There are no known opponents to this and I would move adoption of the Amendment."

"You heard the Gentleman's Motion. Any discussion? Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor of the Amendment yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Lang, there is a little confusion on this. Is this...you said everybody's agreed; is there any group that is not agreed to this Amendment?"

"There is one group now taking no position, but there was no group sitting around the table that was opposed to this Amendment."

"Do you know what the position of the independent insurance agents was on this? Were they part of the negotiations?"

"I don't believe that the insurance agents were in the negotiations."

"Thank you, Representative Lang." 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Black." April 26, 1994

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, Amendment #7 becomes the Bill, correct?"

"Correct."

"Has nothing to do with dram shop?"

"No, nothing at all to do with dram shop. These are technical changes, involving the Liquor Control Commission."

"You said that the City of Chicago only. Is... where is that reference? I see it page three, having a population of 500,000, okay, that's all I want to know. It's your intent that it only effects the City of Chicago, correct?" Lang:$"Yes."

"Thank you."

"All in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note for the Bill, as amended, has been filed."

"Representative Lang. Representative Black withdraws the fiscal note. Third Reading. House Bill 3014, Representative Moseley, 3014. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3014, a Bill for an Act that amends the Uniformed Police Officers Disciplinary Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Motions. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Black." 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"Thank you very much. I have an inquiry of the Chair. I believe we filed a fiscal note on this Bill on 21, April; a request for a fiscal note."

"Representative Black, is the fiscal note filed so the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading?"

"Yes."

"Representative Granberg, are you seeking recognition?"

"On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to the Gentleman, I believe it is dilatory. There is no fiscal note request or no fiscal impact stamped on the face of the Bill. There is clearly no fiscal impact whatsoever. Even the reference bureau did not indicate there might be any fiscal impact on the face of the Bill, and I would ask the Chair to rule."

"Representative Black."

"Thank you very much. In all due respect to my colleague, if you'd look at the Bill, it brings more people into the system, into the Fraternal Order of Police. Now our staff feels truly concerned about the potential cost of this Bill. Our staffer is beside me and says there is no way that you can rule that there isn't a fiscal impact on this Bill. We filed this on the 21st of April. It wasn't a last minute thing; it's in our normal course of looking at these Bills. I must rise, I would hope that the Representative would withdraw that request. This truly does have a potential for cost, and I would ask the Chair to so rule."

"Representative Moseley."

"Mr. Speaker, since this is my Bill, if I could rise to address one point that was made during that comment. The Fraternal Order of Police are not a state agency, and this 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Act applies to them."

April 26, 1994 "Representative Black, do you want to withdraw that Motion? Representative Black?"

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Staff has pointed out that there is a reference to Section 14-110 of the Illinois Pension Code. Is it the Sponsor's intent that this would have absolutely no impact on the potential pension cost or operation of a unit of government?"

"Representative Moseley."

"Mr. Speaker and Mr. Black, this Bill deals with the Disciplinary Act entirely. It's not meant to have an impact on the pensions, the only way that would be even possible is if someone was wrongly disciplined and then actually was, through the process, was given their rights back. So they would have been an impact on the pension system anyway, this would not add anyone to the pension system."

"So, then I have your word then, that this has nothing to do with pension code or ."

"My word is my bond, Representative Black."

"All right, then... since I lost on the Illinois horse thing, I will withdraw the request for a fiscal note, because this gives preference to Illinois Police officers. Correct?"

"Thank you, Mr. Black. It does."

"I'm certainly for that."

"It does indeed, thank you very much."

"The Gentleman withdraws, has been withdrawn. Representative Saltsman, are you seeking recognition?"

"Yes, my light's lit. Is it lit up there?"

"I see it now."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?" 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"I think the question period has been over, Representative Saltsman. The fiscal note has been withdrawn. Third Reading. House Bill 3020, Representative Hartke. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3020, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 does a wonderful thing for all the volunteer fire departments in Illinois and all volunteer firemen, because it creates a special category of license plates for the volunteer firemen who have obtained the achievement of a firefighter II designation. They have gone through all the necessary training and they have worked hard and they deserve special recognition because they have put hundreds of hours in saving lives and in saving property and houses in Illinois. And volunteer firemen deserve to have this special recognition by a special license plate that acknowledges their achievement and their life saving abilities; and, Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Rule 55 (c), I'm joined by four other Members on this side of the aisle, to request a record vote on the Amendment."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Hartke."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Representative Wennlund? He indicates he will."

"Does this delete everything that's in the original Bill?"

"No, it does not."

"Is it germane with the jest of the Bill?" 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Absolutely."

"Excuse me, Mr. Speaker, is it germane?"

April 26, 1994 "Are you asking the Chair or are you asking the Representative?"

"I'm asking the Parliamentarian germaneness of this Amendment." to rule on the

"Representative Hartke, the Parliamentarian informs the Chair that the Amendment is not germane. This deals with, the Amendment deals with the special firefighters plate fund, and the Bill addresses the report to the road district treasure."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to appeal the ruling of the Chair, pursuant to Rule 81 and I'm joined by five other Members, because...you know Representative Hartke voted for Illinois horses but he won't vote for Illinois firemen."

"All right the Gentleman moves the rule, to appeal the ruling of the Chair. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Hartke." по

Representative Hartke: "I would like to correct Mr. Wennlund. I have absolutely problem with the Amendment, I just wanted to make sure it was absolutely correct and on the right piece of legislation. That's one, to make sure that it is correct in the statutes. I have nothing against our firemen, I think it's very good idea. However, I was ready to ask another question even though it maybe would have been found germane. And that is, in the past the Secretary of State has been somewhat opposed to any special license plates and I was just going to ask whether the Secretary of State had endorsed this concept for the volunteer firemen?"

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 52  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 wish? Representative Black, do you wish to speak?"

"I would like to explain my vote, if I could, Mr. Speaker."

"By all means."

"Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm voting 'aye' on this question, to show my support for volunteer firemen in the State of Illinois. An 'aye' vote shows that you think the volunteer firemen in this state should be recognized and deserve to be recognized. A 'no' vote says to me very clearly that you don't think volunteer firemen should be recognized. I don't think that's advisable. I think an 'aye' vote is the correct vote on this Motion."

"Representative Currie."

"Just to point out, Speaker, the previous comments were out of order. We're talking to the Motion, not to the actual Amendment."

"Point's well-taken. Representative Granberg. Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. There is 51 'yes' and 64 'noes'. Motion fails. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Hartke."

"Representative Hartke."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 is a suggestion of the committee when this Bill passed committee, that we should amend it to change some timeframes, that was requested in the Bill. Now one that the superintendent of highways gave notice shall report within 30 days rather than the original ten that was in the Bill; and two, it should be reported to the road district treasurer of the township; and the third item 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 was that this should be done twice a year as opposed to quarterly and Cook County is exempt from this piece of legislation. So I would ask for your passage, and I would be happy to answer any questions you have."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Hartke, remind me why we exempted Cook County?"

"Excuse me, I didn't hear the question."

"Could you remind me why we exempt Cook County in your Amendment?"

"Yes, Cook County board had some problems with it, as well as some of the township officials, John Ellis from Cook County, and so pursuant to their request, we decided to exempt them from this legislation."

"Did this Bill go through Transportation Committee when it was first heard?"

"No Sir, it did not. It only went through Counties and Townships."

"Were you there? Who is the Chairman of that committee? Chairman?"

"The Chairman is Miguel Santiago, and your friend there Representative Noland. Representative Noland is the Minority spokesperson."

"Representatively Noland vehemently denies that. He's shouting behind me here. He is trying to get my attention; he says he spends his time only on agriculture issues."

"I forget, then maybe its Ann Hughes, Representative Hughes, is the Minority spokesman."

"Thank you, Representative." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3029, Representative DeJaegher, Bob DeJaegher, 3029. Do you wish to have this Bill called, Sir? Not today? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3029, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Act on the Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"A fiscal note has been requested. Can I make a Motion that it is not applicable? The Gentleman moves that the Amendment is not applicable. Representative Granberg."

"To the point of order, Mr. Speaker, once again. I f the fiscal notice is applicable, that's fine but in this case it's dilatory. It is a shell Bill, so there can't be any fiscal impact. The Act requires a fiscal note to be filed if it has impact currently not in the future. So it is dilatory and I would ask the Chair to so rule."

"Your point is well-taken, the Bill just amends the short title. Representative Stephens."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if you could explain to me, why if we're talking about a shell Bill and the Motion he says is dilatory. But a shell Bill by its definition, wouldn't that be dilatory? Why would we...isn't that redundant? And so if this is a shell Bill that does nothing and his position is that the Motion does nothing, shouldn't we then vote on the Motion if you're prepared to vote on the Bill? How does a Parliamentarian explain a shell Bill?" 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"The Chair would suggest that perhaps you talk to Mr. Black. Representative Black."

"Would you explain to the Gentleman what a shall Bill is?"

"Mr. Speaker, that's not fair. If we could get a guarantee from the Sponsor of the Motion that this Bill will never cost the taxpayers of the State of Illinois a dime, then maybe we could reconsider."

"Third Reading. Further Amendments? Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading, Public Utilities, appears House Bill 2740, Representative Brunsvold. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2740, a Bill for an Act that amends the Emergency Telephone System Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Granberg. Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Gentleman to remove the fiscal note on this Bill. This Bill actually postpones the date at which the centrexes and exchange systems go into effect. If we do not pass this Bill, as of December 31 of this year, all residential and private centrexes will have to put in new units if they install an upgraded system. This Bill would actually postpone those dates and phase it in which would be better for the private and for public business. Private business would also benefit. It postpones this date until July of 1996."

"Representative Black."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative Brunsvold is correct. I apologize to you and the Body. We had talked about this. This Bill is necessary, in fact, 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day it's April 26, 1994 necessary for a constituent who happens to live in my district. And he's been very, Representative Brunsvold has been very accommodating with me on this Bill. I should not have filed the fiscal note on this Bill; in fact, I told him I wouldn't, and I apologize for that and I ask that it be withdrawn."

"All right, the fiscal note has been withdrawn. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'... No Amendment? But a fiscal note. All right, withdraw the request. The Bill shall be placed on the Order of Third Reading. All right, we're going to go back to State and Local Government. Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are two Bills that are Water Reclamation District Bills, 3065 and 3066; I withdraw the fiscal note on both of those so they can move ahead."

"All right, on the Order of State and Local Government, Second Reading. Representative DeJaegher, you have another Bill, House Bill 3031. Representative DeJaegher. Bob DeJaegher. Representative DeJaegher, you have a Bill, 3031, Sir? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3031, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Act on the Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative DeJaegher, another fiscal note has been requested. Representative DeJaegher moves that the fiscal note request does not apply. Withdraw the fiscal note. No Floor Amendments. Third Reading. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 3036. The Lady in the chamber? (House Bill) 3036. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3036, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Act on the Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"No Floor Amendments? A fiscal note has been requested. Representative Schakowsky. A fiscal note has been requested. Representative Schakowsky."

"Is the fiscal note Mr. Speaker on the Bill as amended?"

"Representative Black? Mr. Clerk? Excuse me, Representative Black. Is the fiscal note..."

"The fiscal note has been filed on House Bill 3036."

"Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Did you say the fiscal note has been filed on this Bill? We don't have a copy. We would just like a copy, that's all. Thank you."

"Representative Martinez House Bill 3045, 3045, Representative Martinez. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3045, a Bill for an Act that amends the Department of Veterans Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Stephens."

"Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment to House Bill 3045 is actually a bipartisan effort to allow the Department of Veterans Affairs to transfer moneys in excess of the 2% limitation in lapsed spending to pay the Persian Gulf Veterans Bonuses for fiscal 1994. The Department of Veterans Affairs '94 appropriation and '95 budget request do not include the funding for Persian Gulf Veterans Fund. The.... we've got over $200,000 in claims, I heard some passages of this Amendment since it provides an alternative 58  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 source of funding to use; using sources that are already in existence. I move its adoptage. I'd like a Roll Call Vote if you don't mind."

"Representative Martinez. Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 3058, Representative Kubik. Do you wish to call this Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3058, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #31, offered by Representative Kotlarz."

"Representative Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have no problem with Representative Granberg presenting the Amendment on behalf of Representative Kotlarz. This is an agreed Amendment. It is not hostile to the Bill."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Thank you Representative Kubik for allowing me to handle this for Representative Kotlarz. It merely changes the quick take provisions that were in House Bill 2283, 2284. I don't believe that there is any formal opposition to the Bills, now in the form of Amendment #2, or Amendment #1, I'm sorry, and I would ask for its adoption."

"Representative Black are you still seeking recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. To say a point of personal privilege. I'd like the Members of this Body to recognize with me a former House Member, John Cullerton, currently a Senator. He's on the Republican side of the aisle trying to figure out where the Senate is meeting today, so if any of you can help him out, come over."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by 59  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Kubik."

"Representative Kubik, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment allows for municipalities, 25,000 or more, able to use the provisions of this Bill. It reduces from 50 to 25,000 the threshold on this Bill. I know of no opposition to the Amendment."

"Representative Granberg."

"As with all Representative Kubik's legislation, there is no opposition, and we stand in support."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Bugielski, on House Bill 3065. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3065, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments No Committee Amendments and no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3066, Representative Bugielski. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3066, a Bill for an Act that amends the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3169, Representative Schakowsky. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"House Bill 3169, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Human Rights Act. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"The Bill has been read a second time previously? Third Reading. Representative Turner? Representative Turner in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Leitch, 3326. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3326, a Bill for an Act that amends the Township Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Motions filed, Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Leitch."

"Leitch, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The purpose of Amendment #1 is to reduce significantly the amount of money that a township could levy for...to get their audits. It reduces the initial year amount from 45...$6,000 to $750 and would restrict the unit to $750 a year in stead of the other level which is $1,500, and I'd move approval."

"Any discussion? Representative Granberg."

"Would the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Thank you. Representative Leitch, I just want to clarify the difference between the House Amendment and the underlying Bill. The underlying Bill requests an increase in authority for the audits. Is that correct? Not the Amendment?"

"Increase in what?"

"The taxing levy for audits."

"I can't hear you, Representative."

"The underlying Bill increases the taxing levy, the 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 120th Legislative Day levy for audits. Is that right?"

"That is correct."

"And the Amendment just changes the dates for the..."

"The Amendment reduces the amounts from $1,500 to $750."

"Thank you."

"All in those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Younge, House Bill 3337. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3337, a Bill for an Act that amends the Southwestern Illinois Metropolitan and Regional Planning Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What this Amendment does is...it currently forest preserve districts in Illinois that don't have any authority to transfer real property to a fire protection district, which is another governmental agency and this just gives them that option to be able to transfer real estate to a fire protection district. Only deals with one county, the County of Will."

"Representative Granberg, are you seeking recognition?"

"Point of order, Mr. Speaker. With due respect to the Gentleman, the Amendment deals with the Downstate Forest District Act. The underlying Bill deals with the Southwestern Illinois Metropolitan Regional Planning Authority Act. I don't believe the Amendment is germane, and I would ask the Chair to review the Amendment." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"The Gentlemen's point is well-taken. The Amendment deals with the Fire Protection District and the underlying Bill deals with the Southwest Illinois Metropolitan Regional Planning Act Commission. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3470, Representative Curran. (House Bill) 3470, out of the record. Representative Hartke, 3523. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3523, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendment. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Representative Hartke."

"I move the the fiscal call be ruled inapplicable or as dilatory."

"The Gentleman's Motion is well-taken, and...his point of order is well-taken and the...it's clear it has no substantive changes. Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. It's my understanding that the Gentleman moved that the fiscal note is inapplicable. And you just said in your remarks 'that the Gentleman's Motion is well taken'. Now if that's the case, then I want you to take a roll call pursuant to Rule 55 (c) on the Gentleman's Motion. He clearly made a Motion."

"The Gentleman made a point of order, Representative Black. A point of order."

"You just said that his Motion was well-taken."

"The point of order was well-taken, Representative Black."

"You know, we are going to need some order in here because 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day I can't swear April 26, 1994 to you that he said a Motion, but I think that he did. Now this Bill may come back as a seatbelt for pick-up trucks, I don't think so; but if does, I'm going to remind you about this fiscal note. I'll tell you that right now."

"Thank you, Representative Black. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Deering, House Bill 3524. Deering, do you wish to call this Bill? Out of the record. Representative Lang 3540. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3540, a Bill for an Act amending the Township Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker.  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994

"House Bill 3633, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. Third Reading."

"House Bill 3637, Representative Roskam. House Bill 3637, Representative Roskam. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3637, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3663, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Representative Rotello, 3681. Rotello. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3681, a Bill for an Act amending the Firemens Disciplinary Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Daniels."

"Representative Biggins."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Daniels asked me to handle this matter for him. This is an Amendment to..."

"Representative Dart. Excuse me, Representative Biggins. Representative Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Inquiry of the Chair whether or this is germane or not. I believe it creates a new Act."

"The Gentleman's point is well-taken. The Bill deal with the Firemens Disciplinary Act. The Amendment deals with the O'Hara noise compatibility. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested." 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Dart." April 26, 1994

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is clearly dilatory. There is no state fiscal impact and I'd have it ruled that way."

"The Gentleman's point is well-taken. The Bill only applies to the Fireman's request to examine his personnel record. Further Amendments? Representative Clerk." Third Reading. Schakowsky, 3695. Read the Bill, Mr.

"House Bill 3695, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Wennlund. Withdraw Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested."

"The Bill will be held on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Black are you seeking recognition? Excuse me."

"A fiscal note has been filed on House Bill 3695."

"Third Reading. Representative Black, are you seeking recognition Sir?"

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise to a point of personal privilege. Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. You know for the last half hour I've sat here and I've tried to be as patient as I could, when our requests are ruled dilatory and our Amendments are ruled not germane. My point to the Body is this, if you would but give us the opportunity to hear certain Bills, that we file, that you bottle up in rules and never let go to substantive hearing, maybe we wouldn't have to do this. But to sit here and say that an 66  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Amendment on O'Hara Airport noise is is not germane or dilatory, tell that to the people who live in the suburban areas around O'Hara. If you just simply let us move and advance our legislation in a fair and equitable manner, we wouldn't have to try to find a home for various pieces of legislation. I thank you for your indulgence, Mr. Speaker. We are simply tired of being treated unfairly. We wouldn't have to do this if we simply had a fair and equitable opportunity to hear legislation that we have a right to file, and has a right to be heard."

"Now Representative Black, you know when I'm in the Chair I always have been fair, especially to you. My heart is with the farmers even though I'm a big city boy like some people say, and a plumber by trade, concerned about the sanitation and the welfare of the people of the state. I've always been fair with you Representative Black. House Bill 3704, Representative Hannig. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3704, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Procurement Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Schoenberg."

"Representative Schoenberg."

"Please withdraw Floor Amendment #1."

"Withdraw Amendment #1, Mr. Clerk. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Hannig."

"Has the Amendment been distributed, printed? Out of the record. House Bill 3709, Representative Johnson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3709, a Bill for an Act amending the 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Uniformed Peace Officers Disciplinary Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Black, do you have any questions on Representative Johnson's Bill? Third Reading. Representative Santiago. House Bill 3743, Representative Hannig; 3743, Sir. Out of the record. House Bill 3826, Tom Johnson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3826, a Bill for an Act amending the Downstate Forest Preserve District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Black, do you have any questions on RepresentativeJohnson's Bill? Representative Black, do you have any questions on Representative Johnson's Bill? No questions? Are you sure? Third Reading. The Chair wants to be fair, Representative Black. Representative Biggert, 3946. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3946, a Bill for an Act amending the Water Service District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Representative Hoffman, 3998. Second Reading of the Floor Amendment #1, "House Bill 3998, a Bill for an Act amending the Local Mass Transit District Act. Bill. No Committee Amendments. offered by Representative Hoffman."

"Amendment %31%, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #31, basically would amend the Metro East Transit District Act, by putting a cap on the recent sales tax which we passed in St. Clair County for the Metro Link, light rail...basically that's what it would do." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"Any discussion? Representative Black."

"Just one question that came up in committee I think because this affects a portion of St. Clair County. Do you have a CoSponsor on this Representative?"

"Representative Flinn and Representative Stephens."

"Okay, Thank you."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Representative Hoffman."

"I move that the fiscal note is not applicable."

"The fiscal note by Representative Black has been withdrawn. Third Reading. Representative Phelan. Out of the record. Representative Granberg, 3993. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3993, the Bill has been read a second time previously. A pension an impact note has now been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Public Utilities, Second Reading, appears House Bill 2777, von Bergen-Wessels. Is the Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Ostenburg, House Bill 3148. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3148, a Bill for an Act amending the Telephone Solicitations Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Schakowsky."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Schakowsky. It hasn't been printed, Representative Schakowsky. Take 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the Bill out of the record. House Bill 3514, Representative Tom Johnson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3514, a Bill for an Act amending the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Deering, on House Bill 3672, Representative Deering? Out of the record. On the Order of Professional Regulations, Second Reading appears House Bill 2613, Representative Burke. (House Bill) 2613, Sir. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2613 a Bill for an Act amending the Naprapathic Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Burke."

"Representative Burke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 would address the subject of Naprapats not having been previously licensed in the State of Illinois; would require other professions to have had previous experience. In this instance, there was no previous experience and their board could not have been created without the previous experience. This Amendment technically corrects that language and calls for the new profession to exist and their board to be created."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Lou Jones. Representative Steczo. Representative Hoffman, 3271. 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Representative Brunsvold, House Bill 3536. Representative Brunsvold, are you 3536? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3536, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of the practice of professional geology. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Brunsvold."

"Not printed, Representative. Take it out of the record. Representative Bugielski. Representative DeJaegher, 4037. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 4037, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relation to the occupation of environmental health practitioners. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments, Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative DeJaegher."

"Representative DeJaegher."

"Wasn't this Amendment put on in committee?"

"It's a Floor Amendment, Representative DeJaegher."

"Okay, okay. Basically what it does it assigns an agency that is going to oversee the implementation of the program which is a biotech concept, that we did have witnesses to testify from Northwestern. It's a great advent in the food industry. So basically that what's the Amendment's all about."

"Any discussion? Representative Black."

"Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative are you looking at the same Amendment that we have? Amendment #1 to House Bill 4037?"

"Yes." 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "It's just a simple housekeeping Amendment. Correct?"

"Right."

"I thought I heard you say about Northwestern and..."

"Oh, no I was basically saying that Northwestern University came down to testify. This is a citizens assembly Bill, which is a bipartisan effort, and more or less it's clean-up language on who would implement the program."

"But the Amendment that were addressing is simply clean-up some sub sections, right?"

"Right."

"Thank you very much."

"All those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye"; opposed, 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hartke, on 3200. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3200, a Bill for an Act amending the Minimum Wage Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cross."

"Representative Cross."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment brings Illinois into conformity with the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act, by exempting from the Illinois Minimum Wage Law, overtime pay provisions for radio or television announcers, news editors or chief engineers working for employers located in a city or town with a population of 100,000 or less."

"Any discussion? Representative Hartke."

"Yes, I would suppose that this Amendment is probably germane; however, I look at it as a hostile Amendment. As 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 you look at the Bill itself, what we're attempting to do is to clarify some language in the Minimum Wage Act as it relates to cross-the-road truckers who generally work for mileage or trips as opposed to working by the hour. The AFL is in support of the Bill, 3200, but with this Amendment on it they would have to be opposed to it. And I would say I would have to look upon this as a hostile Amendment, and would appreciate your defeat of Amendment #1."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'noes' have it. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Human Services, Second Reading. House Bill 2854, Representative Biggert. Take it out of the record? Take it out of the record. House Bill 2884, Representative Wojcik, 2884. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2884, a Bill for an Act amending the Department of Public Health Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Is it in order? Representative Granberg. Are you seeking recognition? The Chair wants to apologize if it made a mistake. House Bill 2854, Representative Biggert. Representative Black, are you seeking recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I have an inquiry of the Chair. If you could go back to House Bill 3200, Representative Hartke's Bill. I believe Representative Cross offered Floor Amendment #1, and I don't know whether that Amendment was adopted on a voice vote or rejected on a voice vote. I 73  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 need that clarified."

"It was rejected, Representative."

"It was rejected?"

"Yes, the Chair now follows in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'noes' had it. Representative Hartke and Representative Granberg and the Body said no in a voice vote and the Chair..."

"I wasn't sure, I did need to get that clarified, thank you."

"It's in the record. Representative Biggert. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2854, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"...Any Amendments filed, Representative Biggert? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the Bill?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note, as amended, has been requested on the Bill."

"All right, the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Schakowsky. I'm sorry, Representative Biggert you have another Bill. (House Bill) 2894. We did this one. 2894. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2894, a Bill for an Act amending the Abused and Neglected Child Reporting Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Dart."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you. I'd like leave to handle this Amendment 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day for Representative Dart?" Speaker Giglio: is granted." April 26, 1994 "The Gentleman have leave? Hearing none, leave

"Floor Amendment #2 simply provides that the Governor would appoint all five members of the task force."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Biggert."

"Could I ask the Representative the reason for this Amendment?"

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative, once again the Speaker is attempting to help the Governor, as he always does, so we're trying to help the Governor, so he can appoint qualified people to his task force."

"Representative Black (sic-Biggert)."

"I'm sorry I could not hear the answer to that."

"Once again, the Speaker is trying to help the Governor, and this would give the Governor the authority to appoint. We would think the Governor would be in favor of this, and we're just trying to help him once again."

"That's fine, thank you."

"Representative Black."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just simply rise to support Floor Amendment #2. The Governor is willing to accept this responsibility. We know it was difficult for the Speaker and the other Legislative Leaders to relinquish their appointment authority to the Governor, and I think, as everybody has found out in the last three years, this Governor won't shirk his responsibility. He'll appoint them, he'll appoint them, and then Representative Dart can find fault with it. But see he could have had some input, but he outsmarted himself on this one. So 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 we'll take the Amendment and this Governor will definitely appoint all five, and take that, Representative Dart."

"Representative Granberg."

"Mr. Speaker, there is a Constitutional question about the legislative appointed authority, that is why this Amendment has been filed. Unlike the Governor, we believe in following the Constitution, that is the reason."

"All those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Lawfer."

"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed, Mr. Clerk?"

"The Amendment has not been printed and distributed."

"The Bill will remain on the Order of... Representative Biggert."

"I'll take the Bill out of the record."

"Take the Bill out of the record. Representative Schakowsky, on House Bill 3032. Do you wish to call this Bill? (House Bill) 3032? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3032, a Bill for an Act amending the Disabled Persons Rehabilitation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Schakowsky."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Schakowsky."

"Thank you, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 is essentially the same as House Bill 3874, which guarantees an increase in the pay for personal care attendance who serve persons with disabilities, which is the intention of this legislation to begin with. So, I 76  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 would move adoption of Amendment #1."

"All those in favor of the Amendment... Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor yield? Will the Sponsor of the Amendment yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Thank you. Representative, If I heard you correctly, you said that Floor Amendment #1 basically comes from House Bill 3874, is that the Bill number?"

"That is correct."

"Who is the Sponsor of House Bill 3874?"

"Representative Daniels."

"And where is House Bill 3874 currently on the Calendar?"

"I'm not sure, Representative."

"Would you like to hazard a guess?"

"Maybe you would like to tell me."

"It seems to me that this Bill was left languishing in committee, and suddenly resurfaces as an Amendment, your Amendment to your House Bill. Could you... which shows I think the underlying soundness of House Bill 3874, which for whatever the reason, your side of the aisle decide to keep bottled up. Could you tell me what your Amendment that was House Bill 3874 does?"

"Let me just say, Mr. Black that, the original Sponsor of 3874 and I share, I believe, a genuine concern about the low wages paid to homecare workers. It was not my intention or hope that this would get involved in partisan bickering or gridlock. My only hope is that we can pass this Bill. If you prefer not to pass this Amendment, I think it would be a shame."

"No, Representative don't misrepresent my interest in the Bill. I'm not here bickering. I intend to support your 77  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Amendment as I supported Representative Daniels' underlying Bill. I just ask you to explain what it does."

"The Bill would make sure that personal care attendants get 73% of the wages that are paid to homecare workers under the Department of Aging program. It would essentially raise their wages to around $5.00..."

"Let me just assure you, that I share your concern about this and I know Leader Daniels does, that's why he sponsored the Bill. It was my understanding in committee that you indicated that you would work with Leader Daniels to bring this about. Have you in fact done so?"

"The truth is, Representative, that I did try. I can personally show you the memo that I wrote in that regard. It did not happen; and, therefore, in the interest of passing this legislation I wanted to offer this Amendment."

"Thank you very much, Representative. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the underlying Amendment was in fact sponsored as a Bill by Representative Daniels, and I certainly rise to support the Amendment. I think it makes the Bill much more agreeable to many of us on our side of the aisle. But it is interesting to note that on two previous Bills brought to the committee by Republicans, dealing with the very real problem of substandard wages to these home services workers, the Representative who is sponsoring House Bill 3032 voted 'present'. But perhaps, in fact, she has seen the light, and in her efforts to add Floor Amendment #1 to her Bill, I think she has made a good Bill far better and I simply rise to support the proposal to add Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 3032."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Skinner."

"Mr. Speaker, My floor Leader is a bit mild, a bit too 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 mild. This Bill was killed in a straight party line vote in the Health Care and Whining Committee. A straight party line vote, the Bill was not worth even voting out of committee. When, soon to be, Speaker Daniels was Sponsor of the Bill, and now it's worthy of an Amendment on a Bill that managed to get out of the committee. How ironic."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Krause."

"Thank you. If the Sponsor would yield for a question? This goes back Representative on... Representative, I could address a question? On the Amendment you have which fully incorporates Representative Daniels Bill, House Bill 3874, have you added that to or does that become the Bill? You've added 3874 to 3032, so both provisions now you're saying would be in that Bill.?"

"That's correct. I would just like to say that my recollection is that 3874 was not, in fact, called in committee, and I also would like Representative Black to know that I did not vote, I was not in committee to vote on the other Daniels Bills, I did not vote 'present' on his Bills because I wasn't there."

"If I could just respond to that, that is correct, 3874 was not called; however, 3906 and 3907 which was the reference that was made, which I agree you had left the room at that time, but you did not record a 'yes' vote, Representative, when, in fact, that type of support should have been given on both 3906 and 3907 and that support was not given and it should have been at that time. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Meyer."

"Thank you, Mr.. Chairman. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative just a... could we have a little order in 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the House? It's hard for me to communicate. Representative I just had a question regarding: have you talked to your colleagues on your side of the aisle to make sure that they will support this Amendment that you're proposing."

"If you're asking if I've done a complete roll call, I have not, but I expect, from talking to people that I have, that there will be support, yes."

"I was concerned on that because I'm not sure that when measures such as this has been heard previously in the committee hearing that there was a great deal of support from that side of the aisle, and I was concerned that maybe we were getting into another partisan roll call fight here, certainly we don't need that today, and I would assume that this time we'll see a fair amount of support from that side of the aisle."

"Truly Representative, that is my hope and my expectation."

"Any further discussion? Representative Schakowsky, to close. Do you care to close."

"Yes, the Amendment as was stated, makes what I believe is a good Bill better and begins to bring some equity to homecare workers, personal care attendants, for persons with disabilities and I would hope that we could all support this Amendment and finally the Bill. I urge your 'aye' vote."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill." 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 120th Legislative Day

"A fiscal note has been requested. The Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Schakowsky. All right, a fiscal note has been filed. Third Reading. Representative McPike, in the Chair."

"Representative Wennlund, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding, an inquiry of the Chair, it is my understanding that the previous speaker announced that the fiscal note had indeed been filed. The rule provides that it can't be moved to Third, as long as a fiscal note has not been filed yet."

"A fiscal note was requested and a fiscal note was filed."

"Thank you very much."

"House Bill 3062, Representative Granberg. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3062, a Bill for an Act concerning persons with disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3109, Representative Olson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3109, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Planning Council on Developmental Disabilities Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take House Bill 3109 out of the record, but then call 3110."

"(House Bill) 3109, out of the record. House Bill 3110. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3110, a Bill for an Act in relation to employment programs. Second Reading of the Bill. 81  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Olson."

"Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Amendment #2 to 3110 which, is a Supportive Employment Bill, merely incorporates two other employment supportive Bills, 3108 and 3109, which we just took out of the record. These three Bills were introduced as a package, regarding supportive employment. The Bills passed out of committee 28 to 0, 20 to 5 and 28 to 0. What I'm asking now is we simply incorporate these three Bills into the one Bill, 3110, and move it to Third and then we'll address the matter as a whole."

"On the Amendment, no discussion. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendments adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Ostenburg, 3320. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3320, a Bill for an Act amending the Children and Family Services Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Representative Ostenburg, a fiscal note has been requested. Mr. Ostenburg? Mr. Ostenburg? All right, out of the record. Representative Biggert, 3772. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3772, a Bill for an Act amending the Child Care Act of 1969. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill." 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Granberg." April 26, 1994

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to withdraw the fiscal note request."

"All right, the fiscal note request has been withdrawn. Third Reading. Representative Biggert, 3959. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3959, a Bill for an Act amending the Childrens Advocacy Center Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to withdraw the fiscal note request to 3959."

"The fiscal note request has been withdrawn. Third Reading. Representative Schakowsky, 4041. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4041, a Bill for an Act amending the Nursing Home Care Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Zickus."

"Representative Zickus."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #2 requires the Department of Public Aid to use measures to enforce property transfer laws governing medicaid eligibility, and those would be Internal Revenue Service information, comprehensive financial checks on all applicants, and it places the burden of proving that a transfer of property within 30 months preceding the application for aid was made for reason other than to qualify for the increase in need for aid. And I would like to have a record Roll Call Vote, please." 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Representative Schakowsky." April 26, 1994

"Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Speaker."

"All right, the Bill's out of the record. Higher Education, Second Reading, Representative Currie, 3601. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3606, Bill for an Act relating to the financing and funding of educational projects and loans. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. As the costs of this agency are paid entirely out of the institutions that it serves so there are no cost to State Government, no cost to any unit of Local Government. I would move that the Fiscal Note Act request is inapplicable."

"All right, you have heard the Lady's Motion; and on that Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor of the Motion yield?"

"Yes."

"Can you tell us what impact this will have on the Illinois Education Facilities Authority Act?"

"This is a cleanup measure proposed by the Authority. It should result in no difference in the cost of that agencies operations, and, in fact, that agencies operations are paid for by the institutions they serve, not by the taxpayers."

"Thank you very much, Representative Currie. Mr. Speaker, there was, I believe, a Motion on the floor to rule the Fiscal Note Act inapplicable; and on that Motion, I request a record vote under rule 55 (c), and I'm joined by four of my colleagues." 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

April 26, 1994 "We'll have a roll call. The question is, 'Do you support the Lady's Motion that the Fiscal Note Act is inapplicable. All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 61 'ayes' and 49 'noes'. The Motion carries. Third Reading. Energy and Natural Resources, Second Reading, Mr. Novak, House Bill 2787. Out of the record. You have four Bills here; do want any of them heard? All of them, out of the record. Representative Bugielski, 2830. Mr. Bugielski? Out of the record. Let's return to the previous order of business. Human Services, Second Reading, House Bill 2854, Representative Biggert. Mr. Granberg. Mr. Dart. Mr. Dart."

"Hold on a second, withdraw the fiscal note."

"All right, a request for the fiscal note has been withdrawn. Third Reading. Returning to Energy and Environment, Representative Leitch, 3126. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3126, a Bill for an Act amending the Private Sewage Disposal Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3133, Mr. Novak. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3133, a Bill for an Act concerning hydroelectric power utilization. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 & 2 were adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed, No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Novak."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker I think I made an inquiry at the Clerk's, well. Has a fiscal note been filed on this Bill 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day yet?"

"Mr. Clerk?"

"No." April 26, 1994

"Hold it in Second Reading I guess, till we get the note."

"House Bill 3178, Mr. Leitch. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3178, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed, No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hannig, 3247. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3247, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Persico."

"Representative Persico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 amends the School Code and Natural Resource Act. It requires the State Board of Education and Department of Natural Resources..."

"Representative, excuse me. Representative Dart, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you Mr. Speaker. A parliamentary inquiry that the Amendment is not germane to the Bill."

"Representative Persico, your Amendment is not germane to the Bill. Further Amendments? Representative Persico."

"Yes under Rule 36 (d) the rule states the Amendment is in order, as long as it's related to the subject of the Bill, I mean, this is a recycling Bill. How much more 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 germane can it be to an environmental Bill than this. And I vote to... Rule 55 (c) and am joined by four other Members in request a record Roll Call Vote in questioning appealing a ruling of the Chair and also House Rule 58, and ask for a Verification of Negative Votes in the event that this Motion fails."

"The Gentleman has ruled to overrule the Chair. The Motion takes 71 votes. All those in favor of overruling the Chair vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 51 'ayes' and 64 'noes', and the Motion fails. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3133. Has the fiscal note been filed?"

"Fiscal note has now been filed."

"Third Reading. (House Bill) 3447, Mr. Dart. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3447, a Bill for an Act in relation to toxic pollution prevention. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #2 is offered by Representative Persico."

"Representative Dart, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I question the germaneness of this one."

"Representative Persico. The Chair is looking at the germaneness."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again I rise to question the ruling of the Chair. This isn't germane to this Bill. I 87  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE mean, it is a recycling Amendment, it environment. I wish to have a Roll Call Vote on this, please."

"Representative Persico, your Amendment is not germane. Mr. Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair."

"Yes."

"Perhaps if the Parliamentarian could give us some idea, it appears to be the same chapter; it appears to be the same subject matter. I know the hour is late and we don't want to make you go to roll call on every issue, but we don't understand why these aren't germane."

"It doesn't amend the same Act. It's not the same subject matter. The Bill itself creates a business technical assistance office. The Amendment deals with school recycling. They're not even close, Mr. Black."

"Why, I have a school right next door to a business in my district. You can't get any closer than that. I mean, are you really and truly, it didn't amend even the same Act?"

"Correct. Correct. You are correct. It did not amend the same Act, but it could still could have been germane, but it didn't even relate to the same subject. It didn't amend the same Act."

"Okay.. Well..."

"Nor did it relate to the same subject. And it was not germane."

"But subsequently, subsequently, on our request if you would just tell us where we are going wrong, we will try to correct that, because, this an Amendment that we feel strongly about."

"Well, we have informed the Gentleman that we 88 April 26, 1994  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 would be perfectly willing to vote on this Amendment, but he doesn't have to file it to ten Bills. It is germane to one of these Bills, and we have requested that he withdraw the Amendment from about ten of them and we will vote on it on the 1lth. Representative Ryder."

"Mr. Speaker."

"Yes."

"Is it in the same code book? Is it in the same state? On previous rulings of the Chair, you have used that as criteria for saying that your Amendments are germane."

"Well, we have been fairly strict on germaneness and Mr. Ryder if..."

"Only since noon."

"Only since noon. That is correct, but this is clearly not germane."

"So you promised Representative Persico the opportunity for his Amendment to be heard, if I understood your conversation correctly."

"Yes, we did."

"And can you tell me on what Bill that is?"

"Well."

"What special order of call? What date? I know you're a man of your word and you're going to keep your promise. Just let us know."

"Actually we just told him to pick one, we don't care."

"All right, we'll get back to you on that."

"Mr. Ryder, would you pick one that might be germane? Mr. Ryder."

"I'll tell you what, Mr. Speaker. You let me in the Chair, I'll tell you."

"Mr. Churchill." 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would happy to help you out. I know you're stuck in this little box that you're not sure which one of the Bills will actually take the germane Amendment. So, if you would just give us a number, we will be happy to make a Motion that we go right to that Bill, consider it, we'll put the Amendment on that Bill. We will probably even help you get it right to Third Reading. And maybe if you want to we could process that Bill right out of here and then you won't have to worry about that anymore today and we can take care of this all in one fell swoop."

"We have offered that, and if you'll just have Mr. Persico go over and talk to Mr. Granberg we are trying to accommodate the Gentleman."

"Wonderful. And you give us the Bill number..."

"Right now. Just right now. Right now, do it right now. Right now."

"Come back with the Bill number and we'll make a public Motion."

"House Bill 2830, Representative Bugielski. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2830, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Let's go back, Mr. Clerk, to House Bill 3447. That's the Bill we were just on before we got into this discussion. That Amendment was not germane. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Wennlund."

"Withdraw the fiscal note on 2830. On 2830, Mr. Bugielski's Bill."

"(House Bill) 2830, all right. On 2830, has this 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Bill been read a second time? Read it, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2830, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Persico."

"Any withdrawals to the Amendment? Gentleman withdraws the Amendment. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Wennlund has withdrawn the request for a fiscal note. Third Reading. Mr. Novak, on 3688. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3688, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Persico."

"Representative Persico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I withdraw Amendment #1."

"Amendment is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Novak. Mr. Novak. A fiscal note has been requested on this Bill. Mr. Novak. Turn on Mr. Novak, please."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move that the fiscal note is inapplicable."

"Inapplicable. On that question, all in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion carries. Third Reading. House Bill 3640. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3640, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Oil and Gas Act. Second Reading of the Bill. 91  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2787, Mr. Novak. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2787..."

"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"A Bill for an Act in relation to solid waste. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Persico."

"Representative Persico. Mr. Persico, that's your Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly. Amendment #1 amends the School Code and Natural Resources Act. It requires the State Board of Education and the Department of Energy and Natural Resources to conduct a joint study to determine the feasibility and to develop preliminary plans for the implementation of a statewide school recycling plan. I'd be happy to answer any questions, if you have any."

"All right, any discussion on this Amendment? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"All right, the Bill will have to stay on Second Reading. It has got a fiscal note on it. House Bill 3741. House Bill 3741, Representative Rotello. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3741, a Bill for an Act in relation to recycling markets redevelopment. Second Reading of the 92  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Rotello, fiscal note been requested? Do you have a Motion? No. Stays on Second Reading? Election Law, Second Reading, Mr. Leitch, House Bill 3196. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3196, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Leitch."

"Mr. Leitch."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 simply puts this Bill into compliance with the regular procedures with the Secretary of State's Office."

"Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Skinner."

"Amendment #2, Representative Skinner."

"Floor Amendment #2 will plug a hole that charitable organizations, such as Willow Creek Church in South Barrington, have discovered. The church has a ministry in which it accepts donations of motor vehicles that are in need of repair. The vehicles are repaired and then they are given to other members of the church. At the current time they are basically operating illegally, because they don't transfer the title. This will create a special temporary charitable repair permit, for institutions like this."

"On the adoption of the Amendment, Representative 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Granberg."

"Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Yes." April 26, 1994

"Representative Skinner, does the Secretary of State's Office have a position on your Amendment?"

"We got the language from them. We got the language from them."

"So this is a Secretary Ryan's initiative?"

"No, it is my initiative. They however have come up with the language."

"And they are in agreement with the dollar fee? Was

"Yes." that sufficient for them?"

"Thank you."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Education, Second Reading, Representative Younge, 2451. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2451, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. No Floor Amendments, but various notes have been requested on the Bill."

"All right, it stays on Second Reading. Representative Kubik, 2771. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Kubik. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2771, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Kubik." 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Mr. Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, Mr. Speaker, what I would like to do, is withdraw Amendment #1, which was adopted in committee."

"You'll have to move to table. Gentleman, moves to table Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is tabled. Amendment #2, Mr. Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 becomes the Bill. It would only impact public school. It would require public schools to transfer the remainder of the students records as required by the Illinois School Student Records Act; this would include disciplinary records. It would remove the parents right to challenge the movement of students records. And the parents do have the right to challenge the disciplinary record at the time the suspension is made. This is a result of discussions between the Illinois Education Association and the State Board of Education. I'd be happy to respond to any questions you might have and would appreciate your support of the Amendment."

"Representative Granberg, on the 'do adopt' Motion."

"Thank you. Representative Kubik, one question. With the comparison to Amendment #1, I believe under Amendment #1 a new school would not be aware of any disciplinary problems with the student unless that student was expelled. Does that change with Amendment #2?"

"Yes, it is. Representative, the problem was we didn't feel we had enough time to really address some of the due process issues that might be related to passing along information on a situation that was not adjudicated." 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Okay.. Thank you." Speaker adopted?' April 26, 1994

"The #2 be All in favor 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' question is, 'Shall Amendment have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will withdraw the request for a fiscal note on House Bill 2824. Representative Kotlarz Bill."

That is Speaker McPike: "On what special order is that? House Bill 2824. Where is this Bill?"

"I don't know, I was just requested to remove it, and agreed to. Evidently, it was removed from special order today."

"All right, it's not on a special order, but we certainly appreciate you withdrawing that."

"Oh, thank you."

"All right, Mr. Kubik's Bill. It was put on Third Reading. Is that right, Mr. Clerk? (House Bill) 2771, did I put that on Third Reading? Thank you. Did that have a fiscal note request on it on House Bill 2771? (House Bill) 2833, Representative Wirsing. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2833, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Wirsing, a fiscal note has been requested on your Bill. Representative Black, on 2846. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2846, a Bill for an Act School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. amending the No Committee 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Amendments. Black." April 26, 1994 Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative

"Mr. Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 simply tries to make it very, very clear that it's the intent of the General Assembly that these life safety health bonds can be used to meet ADA requirements placed on schools by the Federal Government. We thought we did this last year but we want to make sure we do it this year. I'd ask your favorable consideration on Floor Amendment #1."

"On the Amendment, Representative Skinner."

"May I ask approximately the same question I asked last year? This will have no effect on the collar counties where the property tax cap is in effect. Is that correct?"

"Representative, I don't really know the answer to that question. I'm not that familiar with the property tax cap legislation. If it is capped, I would assume that, that would take effect."

"I would respectfully ask that you obtain an answer before Third Reading. So that when I ask the question next time I will get..."

"I will do the best I can."

"Thank you."

"Third Reading. Mr. Black, on House Bill 30...Mr. Black, I misspoke. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Who filed the request? Who filed the request? Mr. Black, Representative Brunsvold filed the request for a fiscal note. You can go back and talk to Representative Brunsvold. There he is, back there, hiding behind his 97  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 chair. All right, the Bill stays on Second Reading. House Bill 3519, Representative Black. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3519, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Black."

"Mr. Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The underlying Bill...attempts to speed up the process..."

"Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Mr. Black."

"Yes. What?"

"The Amendment has not been printed."

"Oh you jest. Well, I'd like an answer as to why not."

"When was it filed, Mr. Clerk? It was filed today. It was filed today, it just hasn't been printed yet."

"That's not a very complete answer. Is it the Clerk's office, again?"

"No, it's the legislative printing unit. It was filed sometime after noon today."

"I want to know who is responsible for the printing unit."

"Well, Mr. Black, if you had filed this in a timely manner, it obviously would be printed."

"I filed the Bill in January but it has taken a long time to get an agreement on the Amendment, so I can understand that."

"Do you want to table the Amendment?"

"Oh absolutely not, it's the agreed Amendment. Without the Amendment, I don't think this Bill is going to go very far." 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"All right, we better take this out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, on 3747. Lou Jones, Representative Jones. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3747, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note and a housing affordability impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"All right, we'll leave it on Second Reading. Economic Development, Second Reading. Representative Moseley, on 2142. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2142, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Take this out of record momentarily, we'll get back to it. Representative Hicks, 3212. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3212, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Horse Racing Act of 1975. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Leave it on Second Reading. Representative McAfee, 3650. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3650, a Bill for an Act concerning provision of housing for state employees. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Skinner."

"Mr. McAfee here? Mr. McAfee is not here, let's take this Bill out of the record. Representative Turner, 3815. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3815, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Stays on Second Reading. Mr. Ostenburg, 3830. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3830, a Bill for an Act amending the Build Illinois Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Ostenburg. All right, House Bill 3831. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3831, a Bill for an Act creating the Business Development Corporation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Rutherford."

"Mr. Rutherford."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment would include changing the grants and loans program with the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, for a part of their tourism effort. It is not, it is not, the tourism matching funds but it is in another area, which we changed the grant level from $40,000 to $100,000, per grant."

"All right, on the Amendment, Representative Granberg."

"With due respect to the Sponsor of the Amendment, I believe there is a question as to the germaneness. This Amendment amends the Illinois Promotion Act. The underlying Bill creates the Business Development Corporation Act. To put...it may not be close enough, Representative Black. If the Parliamentarian could review the Act to the Amendments."

"Representative Rutherford, the Amendment is not germane. Yes." 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"Well, I understand it, Mr. Speaker. It doesn't necessarily have to amend a specific Act, but under the guidelines it does have to do with the same subject matter. This is economic development, the underlying piece of legislation proposed by Representative Ostenburg, his economic development. So for that reason, Mr. Speaker I would say that it is germane. And I would move to overrule the Chair, Mr. Speaker, and under Rule 55 (C) I would ask for a Roll Call Vote."

"Mr. Black, do you want me to give you a reason, or do you want to make these Motions? Do you want me to give you a reason, or do you just want to make these Motions?"

"The Motion on the Floor.'

"Motions on the floor? We don't need a reason? I mean, Mr. Black, it's not close, okay. It is not close. All right, the Motion on the floor is to overrule the Chair. The Motion takes 71 votes. All in favor of overruling the Chair vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Mr... Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 51 'ayes'; 60 'noes', and the Motion fails. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"A fiscal note requested on the Bill. (House Bill) 3831, a fiscal note has been requested, it stays on Second Reading. Mr. Rotello, did you wish to return to your Bill. What's the Bill number?"

"(House Bill) 3741."

"House Bill 3741. The Bill is on Second Reading. There has been a request for a fiscal note. Representative 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Rotello." April 26, 1994

"I move the fiscal note is inapplicable, Mr. Speaker."

"All right, on the Gentleman's Motion. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Motion carries. Third Reading. Representative McGuire, House Bill 3871. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3871, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, but a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. McGuire."

"Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. Did I hear a fiscal note has been ..."

"Yes. Yes, it has been requested."

"I would like to refute that, this program... this Bill has nothing to do with federal money."

"You would like to... You would like to move that the fiscal note is inapplicable?"

"That's right, Sir."

"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion; and on that, Mr. Black."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise to oppose the Gentleman's Motion. Pursuant to Rule 55 (c) ask for a Roll Call Vote. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the underlying Bill exempts tenants from public housing from paying rent to housing authorities outside of Chicago. Now if you don't think that's not going to cost somebody some money, you better think again. I urge you to vote against the Gentleman's Motion, and pursuant to Rule 55 (c) I ask for a Roll Call Vote, joined by four of my colleagues. This is ridiculous. This Bill cost money. Now vote against the Gentleman's Motion. A fiscal note should be filed on 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day this Bill." April 26, 1994

"Mr. McGuire, to close."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to reemphasize that this is under the auspices of the Federal Government, and the Bill authorizes a program that is already in place in the City of Chicago with housing authorities to extend it throughout the State of Illinois. And it will not have a fiscal impact on the State of Illinois. And it is consistent with Housing and Urban Development proposals pending at the federal level. So I would ask that the fiscal note be declared, null and void, null and void. Thank you, forever and ever."

"Mr. McGuire would like to withdraw his Motion. Mr. McGuire."

"To file a fiscal note. Yes, Sir."

"Withdraw the Motion, Mr. Black. He withdraws the Motion. Representative Turner, House Bill 3894. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3894, a Bill for an Act concerning local government. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Turner."

"Mr. Turner, Mr. Turner. He's not here, out of the record. All right, we took...we turn to House Bill 2142. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2142, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #3 was... has been adopted to the Bill. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Moseley."

"Representative Moseley."

"I want to withdraw Amendments #1 and #2 to the Bill."

"Amendment #1 and Amendment #2 are withdrawn. 103  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Amendment #3 has been adopted in committee. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Biggert."

"Representative Biggert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an Amendment to provide that the housing authorities may set their per diem allowances and expenses and salary."

"Any discussion? Representative Granberg."

"Would the Lady yield?"

"Yes."

"Representative, could you explain that one more time, please?"

"This is to provide that the housing authorities of any county of more than 500,000 may establish by Resolution a reasonable salary or per diem allowance, for the services of the commissioners and the chairmen."

"So, this would apply to DuPage and Lake Counties only, Representative?"

"That is correct."

"All right, thank you."

"Representative Moseley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question of the Sponsor."

"Yes."

"Representative Biggert, I have one question. I haven't had a chance to talk you before this Bill came up. But we had talked earlier about this Amendment. Is it possible that HUD funds would be used for these salaries or per diems? It is my understanding that there may be some confusion that we could be using housing and urban development funds, which should be going to residents...or 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the housing authority residents and to their domiciles, to pay for the salaries and per diems. Is that the case?"

"That is not the intent of the legislation at all. But there's no way of knowing what...in the future."

"I have a real concern with that. If it's possible that we could either read that through a legislative intent or something I would like to ensure that no federal funds that should go to. Otherwise, we may have to defeat this particular part of it."

"I would he happy to agree that that is the intent.”

"Would that be sufficient? Mr. Speaker, could we take this out of the record, until we can make sure that we've got that cleared up?"

"Certainly."

"We may want to redraft the Amendment."

"Certainly. Sure. Out of the record. Under State and... under State Operations, appears HJR Constitutional Amendment 26. Representative Dart. Yes, Mr. Clerk, read the Constitutional Amendment."

"House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #26, offered by Representative Dart. Whereas the Illinois Supreme Court struck down the Child Shield Law, (Article 106 (b) of the Code of Criminal procedure of 1963). in it's decision in People v. Fitzpatrick, Docket No. 74768, on February 17, 1994, and this Amendment is intended to reverse that decision; therefore, be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-EIGHTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE SENATE CONCURRING HEREIN, That there shall be submitted to the electors of the State for adoption or rejection at the general election next occurring at least 6 months after the adoption of this resolution a proposition to amend Section 8 of Article I of 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the Illinois Constitution as follows: ARTICLE I BILL OF RIGHTS SECTION 8. RIGHTS AFTER INDICTMENT In criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have the right to appear and defend in person and by counsel; to demand the nature and cause of the accusation and have a copy thereof; to be confronted with the witnesses against him or her to--meet the--witnesses--face--to-face and to have process to compel the attendance of witnesses in his or her behalf; and to have a speedy public trial by an impartial jury of the county in which the offense is alleged to have been committed. SCHEDULE This Constitutional Amendment takes effect upon approval by the electors of this State. Second Reading of this House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment."

"Third Reading. Criminal Law, Second Reading. Representative Cross, House Bill 2696. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2696, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Weller."

"Representative Weller. Mr. Weller. Turn on Mr. Weller. Mr. Weller, if you would turn your speak button on they can find you and then they can turn you on."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment amends the statewide organized Gang Data Base Act to permit the Governor to enter into a compact with other states, to share information on organized gang members and gangs. This was requested by the Kankakee County State's Attorney. And I've run it by the Chairman of the committee. He supports the Amendment and the Sponsor also accepts the Amendment. I know of no 106  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 opposition."

"All right. Is there any discussion of Mr. Weller's Amendment? Mr. Cross. No discussion. Mr. Cross."

"I am in support of this Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2706, Representative Flowers. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2706, a Bill for an Act in relation to female prisoners and their children. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Speaker Madigan."

"Offered by... Mr. Clerk?"

"Speaker Madigan."

"All right, Speaker Madigan. Mr. Dart, will handle the Amendment. Mr. Dart. Ms. Flowers. Take the Bill out of the record. Representative Parke, 2718. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2718, a Bill for an Act that amends Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by

Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is the police safety Amendment, which we have talked about extensively, adding quite a bit of money for law enforcement officers. I move for its adoption."

"Any discussion? There being none, the 107  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Question... Mr. Parke."

"Yes. Will the Sponsor of the Amendment yield?"

"Yes."

"Speaker Madigan, who is handling it?"

"Speaker Madigan. Representative Dart. Representative Dart."

"Representative Dart. It is my understanding that this is the Amendment that Madigan placed on a lot of Bills like this to come up with $200,000 million for his initiative for law enforcement officers."

"I believe this Amendment is on a handful of the Bills as we speak right now. I don't know how many exactly."

"Was it placed on another Bill, already? Was it already on another Bill?"

"I'm not aware of how many it has been placed on."

"Our staff has told us that it has been. So if it is on another Bill, what is the purpose, I mean, he has achieved his goal. What is the purpose of placing that Amendment on my Bill then?"

"And some of the other Bills it's on, we're not sure whether they passed or not, and we're pretty sure with one of your Bills, it will pass."

"Oh, it will? Oh, I appreciate that. Can I take that to the bank?" Dart" "Well, I wouldn't."

"Okay. All right. Well, I guess my next question I have, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to have the Chair rule on germaneness of this Amendment. Since it works for them and Representative Dart felt pretty good about it. I'd like to have the same opportunity." tfh; 7 Speaker McPike: "Sure. All right, the Amendment is germane."

"Oh, you're the Parliamentarian, too, now." 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"No, he's right here, he..."

"Oh, I didn't see his lips move."

"Well, he moved his hands."

April 26, 1994 "Oh, okay. All right, well I just wanted to check. Well, I have been informed that I am supposed to stand here and ad lib for a little longer. Can I have some direction Gentlemen? What should we do? Okay.. I will ask the Body. I find this is not a favorable Amendment to go on my piece of legislation. So, I would like a roll call on this Amendment, please."

"All right. The question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no. Mr. Black. Mr. Parke is voting 'aye'. Take the record. All right. On this Motion, there are 77 'ayes' and 31 'noes', and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2853, Representative Biggert. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2853, a Bill for an Act that amends the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Biggert, a fiscal note has been requested on your Bill. Bill stays on Second Reading. Representative Hoffman, 2857. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Out of the record. (House Bill) 2863, Mr. Hoffman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2863, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. The Bill has been read a second time previously. Floor Amendment #1 has been adopted. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Hoffman," April 26, 1994

"Out of the record. Representative Olson, 2873. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2873, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was tabled. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 would provide the police Amendment which I talked about earlier, and I move for its adoption."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' Representative Olson."

"Mr. Speaker. Could I have a question of Representative Dart?"

"Absolutely."

"Representative Dart, this Amendment just passed about three Bills ago on 2718. Do you still feel the need to put it on my Bill?"

"The reason we have it on this Bill, is we're not sure which criminal Bills are going to be passed and we want to make sure that this police protection enhancement fund will make it to the Governor's desk."

"I regret that you feel that way because this is a good piece of legislation that I am sponsoring, and it came out of committee with a unanimous vote. But, Mr. Speaker, if Representative Dart persists I will take this out of the record."

"Yes, he persists, so out of the record. Representative Daniels, 3252. Mr. Black. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3252, a Bill for an Act that amends 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is the police protection Amendment. I move for its adoption."

"Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair."

"Yes."

"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed #1?"

"Is it? Yes."

"And number two, it was my understanding that this Bill would be left clean. Have signals been crossed?"

"Mr. Dart, the Chair is not aware of that."

"Perhaps we can do some checking on that. In the meantime, take the Bill out of the record."

"Mr. Black, maybe you could check on that? Representative Pankau, House Bill 3272. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3272, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Pankau."

"Representative Pankau. Mr. Black, would you like to handle this? Would you like to handle the Amendment?"

"No, Mr. Speaker, in the absence of the Sponsor, please take the Bill out of the record."

"All right. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones, 3322. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3322, a Bill for an Act that amends 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the Liquor Control Act of 1934. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Jones. Fiscal note request." Jones, Lou: "What was the question?"

"For a fiscal note." Jones, Lou: "It doesn't apply."

"All right, the Lady moves that a fiscal note is inapplicable. All those in favor of the Motion say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion carries. Third Reading. House Bill 3537, Representative Rotello. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3537, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Daniels."

"Who would like to handle this? Representative Rotello takes the Bill out of the record. Representative Kubik 3659. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3659, a Bill for an Act to amend the Cannabis and Controlled Substance Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3675, Representative Lang. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3675, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Are there any Amendments filed? Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments filed to this Bill? Mr. Lang."

"Mr. Speaker, I filed Amendment #1 but I'll withdraw it."

"All right. Mr. Clerk, do you have Amendment 112  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 #1? Amendment #1, Representative Lang wishes to withdraw the Amendment. The Amendment is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading."

"A fiscal note has been requested, a correctional budget impact note has been requested and a judicial note has been requested."

"All right. Mr. Clerk, its important that you inform the Chair of that before I move it to Third Reading. So, the Bill belongs on Second Reading. Mr. Lang. Do you have any Motions? No Motions, all right. Stays on Second Reading. Representative Parke, on House Bill 3821. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3821, a Bill for an Act to provide for recovery of expenses incurred in the investigation of false reports. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Parke."

"Mr. Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 submitted to take out of the Bill a provision that for child abuse and elderly abuse which I had committed to in committee. And Amendment #2 so does that, and I would ask the Body to accept Amendment #2."

"Any discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Granberg."

"Representative Dart will handle the Amendment 113  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 for Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 would delete the prohibition against awarding punitive damages for violation of the False Reports Act."

"All right. Any discussion? Question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Tom Johnson, 3940. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3940, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by

Speaker Madigan."

"Representative Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 will supply the Police Protection Fund. I move for its adoption."

"Representative Johnson." Johnson, Tom: "I would like for the Chair to rule on the germaneness of that. Since it has already passed out of here once, twice, three times. How many times do we need this Amendment?"

"The Bill and the Amendment both of...The Amendment is germane. Do you wish to talk against the Amendment? Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Returning to State Operations, Second Reading, House Bill 3804. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994

"House Bill 3804, a Bill for an Act that amends the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Daniels."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would...parliamentary inquiry as to the germaneness of this Amendment."

"Amendment is not germane. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Representative Stephens."

"Who asked the questions about germaneness?"

"Representative Dart."

"Would the Chair do me the courtesy of explaining that?"

"Yes. The Amendment does not amend the same Act and is not the same subject matter."

"Are you sure?"

"Yes."

"All right."

"All right. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Consumer Protection, Second Reading, Representative Burke, 3437. Representative Biggert, 3947. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3947, a Bill for an Act that amends the New Vehicle Buyer Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Burke, 3437. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3447 (sic 3437)."

"3437?"

"House Bill 3437, a Bill for an Act concerning 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the regulation of rental purchase agreements. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Burke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask that the fiscal note be inapplicable in this instance. I have directed a communication."

"All right. The Gentleman moves that the fiscal note is inapplicable. All those in favor of the Motion, say 'aye'. Representative Wennlund. Mr. Wennlund. Mr. Wennlund. All in favor of the Motion say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Motion carries. Third Reading. Civil Law, Second Reading. Mr. Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to withdraw the request for the fiscal note on House Bill 2853."

"Mr. Clerk, on 2853 the request for the fiscal note is withdrawn. (House Bill) 2853, that is Representative Biggert's...that's Representative Biggert's Bill. All right. All right, we're on Civil Law, Second Reading, Representative Lang. (House Bill) 28..I'm sorry, 2428. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2428, a Bill for an Act that amends the Code of Civil Procedures. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Mr. Lang."

"Please hold on Second Reading.'

"Very well. And the next one, 2433, Mr. Lang. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2433. The Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Amendment #2, offered by Representative Granberg."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is clean up language for the Garnishment Act. I move for its adoption."

"And on that Motion. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Third Reading. Mr. Lang."

"Was there a fiscal note requested?"

"Not as amended, there was not."

"Thank you."

"Third Reading. Representative Flowers, 2650. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2650, a Bill for a Act that amends the Illinois Parentage Act of 1984. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hoeft, 2681. Mr. Hoeft. Representative von Bergen-Wessels, 2809. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2809, a Bill for an Act that amends the Probate Act of 1975. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative von Bergen-Wessels." von Bergen-Wessels: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that the fiscal note is inapplicable."

"On the Lady's Motion, all in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Motion carries. Third Reading. Representative Burke, House Bill 2849. Read the 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Bill, Mr. Clerk." April 26, 1994

"House Bill 2849, a Bill for an Act concerning motor vehicle theft. The Bill has been read a second time previously. Floor Amendment #1 was tabled. No further Floor Amendments. A judicial note has been requested."

"Representative Burke. A judicial note has been requested."

"I would move that the fiscal note be ruled inapplicable."

"Representative Black, on the Motion."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The Gentleman moved that the fiscal note be ruled inapplicable and the fiscal note has already been filed."

"He meant the judicial..."

"Oh, well. In all due respect to the Sponsor, I would have to request...and you know the rule. We would have to have a Roll Call Vote on this. There is definitely a judicial impact on this Bill. So, pursuant to Rule 55 (c), having been joined by four others, I would request a Roll Call Vote on the Gentleman's Motion to rule the judicial note does not apply. It clearly does."

"Do you want to proceed or ...okay... All those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion, vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the Motion. Mr. Clerk, will take the Motion...the Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there is 61 'ayes', 51 'noes'. The Motion carries. Third Reading. (House Bill) 3061. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3061, a Bill for an Act that amends the Mechanics Lien Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note request has been filed."

"Mr. Dart." 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the Fiscal Act is inapplicable here."

"All in favor of the Gentleman's Motion vote... Representative Black."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We'd request a Roll Call Vote on this. I realize it has been a long day, but on some of these Bills clearly have a cost. And this is one that will have a cost. I would just simply ask that you indulge my request for a Roll Call Vote. Fiscal note is applicable."

"No problem. All those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 61 'ayes' and 52 'noes', the Motion carries. Third Reading. House Bill 3167, Representative Kaszak. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3167, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Skinner, for what reason do you rise?"

"I'm just curious, are we going to have a best lawyer, along with the best man and the best woman, a bridesmaid? It's been a long day, Mr. Speaker. This may rank as the most boring day of my legislative career."

"Representative Kaszak. Mr. Clerk, has the fiscal note request been filed?"

"The fiscal note request has been filed."

"All right. Representative Kaszak."

"I can't hear anything."

"We have a request for a fiscal note. Do you 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day have the Motion?" April 26, 1994

"Yes, I would move that the fiscal note be inapplicable."

"All right, you have heard the Lady's Motion. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion carries. Third Reading. Representative Currie, 3181. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3181, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3257, Representative Dart. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3257, a Bill for an Act concerning the adoption proceedings. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Mr. Black."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair. On the Bill preceding the one that is currently under consideration. Was that House Bill 3181?"

"Yes."

"What is the status of that Bill? Was it moved to Third Reading?"

"Yes."

"The gist of my question is I thought we had filed a Floor Amendment to that Bill."

"Mr. Clerk? Put 3181 up on the board, please. (House Bill) 3181. All right, the Bill is on Third Reading. Were there any Amendments?"

"No Amendments have been filed."

"Mr. Black, there are no Amendments. The Clerk has no record of any Amendments."

"All right, we had filed an Amendment, we will ask later 120  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 why perhaps it hasn't been printed and distributed."

"All right, the Bill is on Third Reading. It stays on Third Reading. Now we are on 3257, Mr. Dart's Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3257, a Bill for an Act concerning adoption proceedings. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Wait a minute, they withdraw the request. Third Reading. (House Bill) 3278, Representative Schakowsky. Read... Out of the record. Representative Wojcik, 3325. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3325, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Domestic Violence Act of 1986. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wojcik."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. The Amendment amends the Bill and it covers the technical change to close the loophole in the original Bill. In committee this was discussed and this has been agreed to."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3346, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3346, a Bill for an Act in relation to alcoholic liquor. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." 121  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994

"Third Reading. House Bill 3353, Representative Schakowsky. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3353, a Bill for an Act in relation to family mediation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Schakowsky."

"All right, the Amendment is not printed. Out of the record. Representative Flowers, 3410. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3410, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Parentage Act of 1984. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Flowers."

"Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 just merely makes technical changes to the Bill."

"And the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3549, Representative Brunsvold. Brunsvold. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3549, a Bill for an Act in relation to firearms shooting ranges. The Bill has been read a second time, previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 was tabled."

"Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Mr. Wennlund, is there a fiscal note request?" 122  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Wennlund: "Yes. We saw the request."

"The fiscal note has been filed." April 26, 1994

"It's been filed."

"Thank you."

"Third Reading. Representative Lang, 3674. Out of the record. Representative Schoenberg, 3752. Schoenberg. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3752, a Bill for an Act concerning the issuance of licenses and child support. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Representative Schoenberg. Out of the record. Representative John Dunn. Out of the record. Representative Lang, 3800. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3800, a Bill for an Act that amends the motor vehicle retail installment sales. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Mr. Lang."

"I would move that the fiscal note be held dilatory."

"You just want to move that it's not applicable? All right, they withdrew the request for a fiscal note. Third Reading. Representative Cross, 3863. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3863, a Bill for an Act that amends the Uniformed Peace Officers Disciplinary Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Hoffman, 3897. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 3897, a Bill for an Act that amends the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day Bill. No April 26, 1994 Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. fiscal note and judicial note have been requested."

A "Out of the record. Mr. Dart, 3935. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3935, a Bill for an Act that amends Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. note and a judicial note have been requested."

A fiscal Speaker McPike: "Out of the record. House Bill 3936. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3936, a Bill for an Act that amends Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. note and a judicial note have been requested."

"Mr. Black."

A fiscal Black: "Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. On this Bill, if the Speaker could just...or the Sponsor could share with us what he might have in mind...let me withdraw the fiscal note first of all. I don't think I can withdraw the judicial note, unless we have some idea of what the Gentleman has in mind for the Bill."

"Do you want to keep this on Second? He wants to keep it on Second Reading."

"All right."

Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Biggert, 3960. Read the Bill, "House Bill 3960, a Bill for an Act that amends Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." Representative Younge, 3966.

"House Bill 3966, a Bill for an Act in relating 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 to gambling. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Dart, 3981. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3981, a Bill for an Act that amends the Adoption Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested."

"Mr. Dart."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the fiscal note is inapplicable."

"On the Gentleman's Motion, Representative Wennlund."

"Withdraw."

"All right, he withdraws the request. Third Reading. Representative McAfee, 4033. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4033, a Bill for an Act that amends the Trusts and Trustees Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4034. Out of the record. House Bill 3278, Representative Schakowsky. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3278, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Parentage Act of 1984. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Schakowsky."

"Amendment #1, Representative Schakowsky."

"Thank you, Speaker. Amendment #1 makes the Bill conform to changes that the Department of Public Aid wanted and it incorporates all their suggestions and now they agree to the Bill, and I would move its passage." 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 120th Legislative Day

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Schakowsky."

"Representative Schakowsky."

"I move to withdraw Floor Amendment #2."

"Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"The request for a fiscal note has been withdrawn. Third Reading. Representative Curran, on a Motion or a request."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to have House Bill 3205, with the concurrence of the other side of the aisle, put back onto the Consent Calendar. The Bill was inadvertently taken off Consent Calendar."

"All right, the Gentleman moves to return House Bill 3205 to Consent Calendar. Hearing no objections by using the Attendance Roll Call, it will be placed back on the Consent Calendar. Consent Calendar, Second Day, Banking, Second Reading. Representative Kotlarz, House Bill 2962. Mr. Kotlarz. Representative Flinn, on House Bill 3329. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3329, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of savings banks. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Flinn."

"Mr. Flinn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is intended only to clarify the meaning of 3329. It does not change a thing. 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day It just..." April 26, 1994

"The question is, 'Should Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Santiago, House Bill 3798. Santiago. Agriculture, Second Reading, House Bill 3755, Representative Schoenberg. Schoenberg. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3755, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Exotic Weed Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. Fiscal note request has been filed."

"Mr. Schoenberg moves that a fiscal note is inapplicable. All those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Motion carries. Third Reading. Mr. Black, on House Bill 3913. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3913, a Bill for an Act that amends the Wildlife Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Black."

"Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 simply removes the authority of the department from scheduling their administrative field trials. I would move your favorable consideration for Amendment #1."

"We have a request that you explain the Amendment again. There was a request that they couldn't hear it."

"Okay. Floor Amendment #1 amends the underlying Bill on dog field trials, for dogs. Floor Amendment #1 simply says 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 that the department will have no authority on scheduling or administering field trials."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Consent Calendar, Second Day. Mr. Clerk read the Bills. Read the Bills, Mr. Clerk."

"Consent Calendar, Second Reading, Second Day. Consent Calendar, Second Reading. House Bill 2655, a Bill for an Act that amends Kaskaskia River Watershed and Basin Act together with Amendment #1. House Bill 2700, a Bill for an Act to amend the Humane Care For Animals Act. House Bill 3775, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. House Bill 3784, a Bill for an Act that amends the Credit Card Issuance Act. House Bill 3844, a Bill for an Act to amend the Street Light District Act together with Amendment #1. House Bill 3855, a Bill for an Act to amend the Sanitary District Act of 1917. House Bill 3883, a Bill for an Act concerning development of Biotechnology business sector together with Amendment #1. House Bill 3937, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. House Bill 3979, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Equine Infectious Anemia Control Act. House Bill 3997, a Bill for an Act to create the Police Pursuit Act together with Committee Amendment #1. House Bill 4031, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Credit Union Act together with Committee Amendment #1. House Bill 4040, a Bill for a Act to amend the School Code. House Bill 4101, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code Act, together with Committee Amendment #1. 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 House Bill 3205, offered by Representative Curran, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Finance Act. Second Reading of these Bills on the Consent Calendar."

"Third Reading. Representative Brunsvold."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee Members that at 9:30 in the morning in Room 118, we will be hearing testimony on the charter schools, and that also of the Democratic Task Force on charter schools will be at the same time. And we are going to hear Representative Daniels, I think, present the Charter School Bill. And we will have other testimony also, so remind, just a note to remind education Members to...that the Charter School Bill will be up tomorrow in Room 118, at 9:30 a.m. Thank you."

"Any announcements? Representative Lang moves that the House stands adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 11:00 a.m., allowing the Clerk perfunctory time. All in favor to the Motion say 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The House stands adjourned."

"Introduction and First Reading of House Bills. House Bill 4244, offered by Representative Leitch, a Bill for an Act to create the Extra-territorial Insurance Premium Audit Compact Act. House Bill 4245, offered by Representative Curran, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of these House Bills."

"Introduction and First Reading of Senate Bills. Senate Bill 1172, offered by Representative Ackerman, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Senate Bill 1186, offered by Representative Maureen Murphy, a Bill for an Act concerning the transfer and deposit of educational moneys. Senate Bill 1200, offered by 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Representative Clayton, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Senate Bill 1229, offered by Representative Deuchler, a Bill for an Act in relation to collection agencies. Senate Bill 1253, offered by Representative Lang, a Bill for an Act in relation to the offenses of hate crime and institutional vandalism. Senate Bill 1274, offered by Representative Maureen Murphy, a Bill for an Act relating to learning zones in cities with populations exceeding 500,000. Senate Bill 1311, offered by Representative Kotlarz, a Bill for an Act concerning the dissemination of credit information. Senate Bill 1323, offered by Representative Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act to amend the Capitol Development Board. Senate Bill 1329, offered by Representative Salvi, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Professional Land Surveyor Act of 1989. Senate Bill 1336, offered by Representative Wennlund, a Bill for an Act to amend the Property Tax Code. Senate Bill 1352, offered by Representative Granberg, a Bill for an Act in relation to eavesdropping and interception of private oral communications. Senate Bill 1435, offered by Representative Salvi, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Safety Act. Senate Bill 1447, offered by Representative Parke, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Senate Bill 1509, offered by Representative Mautino, a Bill for an Act in relation to motor fuel taxes. Senate Bill 1516, offered by Representative Granberg, a Bill for an Act in relation to registration of child, sex offenders and Criminal Law. Senate Bill 1649, offered by Representative Persico, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Senate Bill 1691, offered by Representative Kubik, a Bill for an Act in relation to tax credits and exemptions. 130  120th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 26, 1994 Senate Bill 1694, offered by Representative Tom Johnson, a Bill for an Act relating to Criminal Law. Senate Bill 1698, offered by Representative Cross, a Bill for an Act in relation to firearms, firearm ammunition, and dangerous weapons. Senate Bill 1715, offered by Representative Hassert, a Bill for an Act in relation to the transfer of interests in real property. Senate Bill 1724, offered by Representative Lawfer, a Bill for an Act relating to environmental protection. Senate Bill 1755, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Judicial Inquiry Board. Senate Bill 1773, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Lieutenant Governor. Senate Bill 1819, offered by Representative Hanrahan, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Senate Bill 481, offered by Representative Mulligan, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Senate Bill 1133, offered by Representative Blagojevich (Bugielski), a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. Senate Bill 1147, offered by Representative Granberg, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Senate Bill 1258, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Elections. Senate Bill 1318, Senate Bill 1324, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act relating to education. Senate Bill 1364, offered by Representative Stephens, a Bill for an Act concerning governmental ethics. Senate Bill 1381, offered by Representative Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Senate Bill 1421, offered by Representative Prussing, a Bill for an Act to make certain appropriations relating to public employee pensions. Senate Bill 1479, offered by Representative Brady, a Bill for an Act to amend 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 the Illinois Insurance Code. Senate Bill 1528, offered by Representative Balthis, a Bill for an Act concerning the rural bond bank. Senate Bill 1598, offered by Representative Granberg, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Senate Bill 1624, offered by Representative Biggert, a Bill for an Act in relation to real estate transactions. Senate Bill 1706, offered by Representative Roskam, a Bill for an Act concerning insurance. Senate Bill 1709, offered by Representative Krause, a Bill for an Act concerning employer insurance. Senate Bill 1710, offered by Representative Krause, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Senate Bill 1716, offered by Representative Granberg, a Bill for an Act relating to charter schools. Senate Bill 1728, offered by Representative Churchill, a Bill for an Act in relation to public employee pensions. Senate Bill 1730, offered by Representative Pankau, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Senate Bill 1733, offered by Representative Santiago, a Bill for an Act concerning school bus drivers. Senate Bill 1746, offered by Representative Zickus, a Bill for an Act concerning children. Senate Bill 1762, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Governor. Senate Bill 1763, offered by Representative McPike, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations for education, higher education, and education grant programs. Senate Bill 1764, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illinois Community College Board and the Board of Trustees of State Community College for fiscal year 1995. Senate Bill 1765, offered by Representative Edley, a Bill for an Act to make appropriations to the Illinois Student Assistance 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 120th Legislative Day April 26, 1994 Commission. Senate Bill 1766, offered by Representative Roskam, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Senate Bill 1767, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Universities Civil Service System. Senate Bill 1768, offered by Representative Madigan, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. Senate Bill 1769, offered by Representative Steczo, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Governors of State Colleges and Universities. Senate Bill 1770, offered by Representative Hawkins, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Trustees of Southern Illinois University. Senate Bill 1771, offered by Representative Daniels, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Court of Claims. Senate Bill 1772, offered by Representative Curran, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Regents. First Reading of these Senate Bills."

"Being no further business, the House Perfunctory Session will be adjourned and the House will reconvene on Wednesday, April 27, at the hour of 11:00 a.m." 133  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 26, 1994 94/10/13 08:49:19 HB-2142 SECOND READING PAGE 99 HB-2142 SECOND READING PAGE 103 HB-2142 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 99 HB-2142 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 105 HB-2428 SECOND READING PAGE 116 HB-2428 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 116 HB-2433 SECOND READING PAGE 116 HB-2451 SECOND READING PAGE 94 HB-2451 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 94 HB-2570 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-2573 SECOND READING PAGE 16 HB-2573 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 17 HB-2601 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-2613 SECOND READING PAGE 70 HB-2650 SECOND READING PAGE 117 HB-2691 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-2691 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 24 HB-2691 MOTION PAGE 35 HB-2696 SECOND READING PAGE 106 HB-2706 SECOND READING PAGE 107 HB-2706 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 107 HB-2718 SECOND READING PAGE 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