Illinois House Floor Debate — March 21, 2003

“The House shall come to order. Members will please be in their chairs. The guests in the gallery may want to join us for the prayer and invocation. We shall be led today in prayer by Reverend David Routien of the Savior of Destiny Church of God in Moline. Reverend Routien is the guest of Representative Mike Boland. Reverend Routien.”

Speaker Hartke: “We shall be led in the Pledge today by Representative Mike Boland.” 09300033.doc 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Boland – et al-: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

Speaker Hartke: “Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie, a report on the Democrat side.”

“Thank you, Speaker. We have no excused absences to report among House Democrats today.”

“Representative Bost.”

“Representative Bost.”

“Representative.”

“Representative Bost, that may be a long time. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 116 Members answering the quorum call, a quorum is present and we’re ready to do business of the State of Illinois. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 47?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 59. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 62.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 117. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 183. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 494. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 494.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 515. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 487. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 847.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1107. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1194. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“1196. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1237. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1350. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1448. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“House Bill 1452. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1456. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1486. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1490. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1532. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 1335. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2165. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2191. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the…”

“House Bill 2250. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“House Bill 2291. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2301. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 220… 2302. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2348. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2375. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2403. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2411. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2446. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2473. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“House Bill 2493. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. We did. Okay. House Bill 2502. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2504. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2510. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2515. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2523. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2524. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2529. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2550. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“House Bill 2653. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2798. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2799. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2836. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2841. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2842. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2844. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr… House Bill 2848.”

“House Bill 2848. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. House Bill 2855. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2858. Mr. Clerk… No, wait a minute. Hold on that one. House Bill 2864. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2889. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2895. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2902. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2905. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2910. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2918. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2926. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2927. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2931. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2932. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2949. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2950. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2952. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“House Bill 2954. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2966. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2977. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2985. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 2997. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3020. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3038. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3045. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3049. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“House Bill 3066. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3079. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3080. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3085. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3091. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3100. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3114. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3134. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3197. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk…”

“House Bill 3209. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3210. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3395. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3489. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3501. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3506. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

“House Bill 3507. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

“House Bill 3508. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

“House Bill 3517. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

“House Bill 3526. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

“House Bill 3528. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3540. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3556. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3586. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3610. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3612. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“House Bill 3663. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“3663. 3663. Mr. Lyons.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 6?”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 32.”

“Hold the Bill. House Bill 39.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 79.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 87.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 87. House Bill 91, excuse me.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 186.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 263.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 407. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Clerk, hold that Bill. House Bill 479. Mr. Clerk…”

“Mr. Clerk, hold that Bill. House Bill 527. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 1359. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 1578. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 1584. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 2205. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 2262. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Clerk, hold the Bill. House Bill 2299. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Clerk, hold that Bill. House Bill 2454. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Click… Mr. Clerk, hold the Bill. House Bill 2848.”

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 2858. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold the Bill. House Bill 2976. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Hold that Bill. House Bill 3115. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Hold that Bill. House Resolution 23. Out of the record with that Bill. The Chair would like to announce that we are preparing to vote on all the pieces of legislation that were voiced this morning and moved to Third Reading and read for a second time on Third Reading. So, on the Agreed Bill List #1, we will open the roll and Members are requested… Shhh. Members are requested to vote their switches, ‘yes’. If on the sheets that you have turned in you vote ‘no’ or ‘present’, it will be recorded so and the Clerk will tabulate all of those sheets. If you care to vote ‘no’ on your switch, you will be recorded as voting ‘no’ on all of these Bills. You’re encouraged to vote ‘yes’ and then vote ‘no’ on the yellow sheets, the tabulation sheets, on Agreed List 1. Are there any questions? The question is, ‘Shall these Bills pass?’ All those in favor vote ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, could I have your attention, please. Shhh. We have several Bills that are still the first priority for Members who have not called their Bills or moved their Bills, so I will be calling them as best I can alphabetically down the list. If you are 09300033.doc 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 prepared to move your Bill either from Second to Third or to pass a Bill on Third, please be ready to call your Bill. On page 31 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3009, Representative Brauer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Brauer.”

“Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“Good morning.”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Bost.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black. Good morning, Mr. Black.”

“Thank you.”

“The Gentleman will yield.”

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Representative Brauer, I respect what you’re trying to do here, but I have grave reservations and I wanna ask you about this in all seriousness. We’re looking here at a… using state money to study the feasibility of a hotel complex. Correct?”

“Who would own this hotel?”

“Well, I don’t understand that. Would it be… would it be state owned or privately owned?”

“Why would we want to spend state money to determine the feasibility of a private project, a potential private project?”

“I can’t tell ya how much I agree with you that tourism is important, but I wanna know why the State of Illinois would be considering building hotels. We’ve been burnt with hotel projects in this state. We’ve given $40 million to certain individuals to build hotels and then we had to write off 30 million of it because they haven’t made their debt service and they still haven’t paid their debt 09300033.doc 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 service. And we’re paying for it every day. And one of those hotels is here in Springfield. Now, I don’t know why we would use any money, state money, to own a hotel. So, if that’s part of this Bill, I would like to see that out, number one. Number two, don’t you think that if it was feasible that we were gonna be building a hotel to tourism and that area needed it, that a private company would have built a hotel outside the gates?”

“Well, you see, right now, people who… who are in the hotel business can determine on their own whether it’d be feasible to build a hotel. There are a few little towns around New Salem. I had the pleasure of visiting it last year when we were in Session, beautiful area. I had a lovely lunch there and walked around and we spent some money. But the fact is, if there should be a hotel there, I think that the free market can… would handle that. I’d like to go to the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I…”

“To the Bill.”

“I’m gonna be voting ‘present’ on this Bill because I have a potential conflict of interest. I actually have an ownership interest in a hotel management company. I think it’s absolutely incredible that we would be using state money to subsidize private interests, because if my hotel 09300033.doc 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 company wanted to… to bid… bid on this, I’d be getting a state subsidy that I don’t deserve. This is… I think this is a misdirected piece of legislation. I understand that we need to build our tourism, but I think the State of Illinois ought to stay out of the hotel/motel business. They have a horrible, horrible track record with it and we don’t need to be wasting our money. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Fayette, Mr. Stephens.”

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Brauer to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3009?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Please vote your switches. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 88 Members voting ‘yes’, 18 Members voting ‘no’, and 8 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On Third Reading on page 46 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2434, Representative Capparelli. Out of the record. On page 46 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, 09300033.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 appears House Bill 2413, Mr. Forby. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Forby.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a Bill came from AARP. This is a Bill trying to save our senior citizens place so they can have the funding. AARP went out and tried to find funding so it wouldn’t come out of General Funds. So, this is gonna help the senior citizens to come up with a funding for their senior citizen building. I have no opposition on this spring. With my Amendment, I had one, area of aging, with the Amendment, everybody’s on board. I will answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Mautino. He’s declined recognition. Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2413?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Rita. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 45 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 1543, Representative Granberg. Out of the record. On page 47 on the Calendar appears House Bill… on Third 09300033.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Reading, House Bill 2968, Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McGuire.”

“Mr. Speaker, as of yesterday, again, take the Bill out of the record. We’re still working on it. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Out of the record. On page 46 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2634, Representative Munson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Munson.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2634? Representative Black, the Gentleman from Vermilion.” 09300033.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Sponsor indicates she will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Representative, I understand that under the current law when this cleanup takes place, it’s… it’s obviously on the public right-of-way, but there’s some limit as to how much they can go onto private property. Does this change any of that?”

“And so, there’s still a limit as to how many feet from the center of the road, one… these folks can go in cleaning up this brush?”

“And they can’t, for instance, if they’re friendly with the… the local municipal leaders, can’t get… they can’t go onto somebody’s private property and sort of help them out?”

“Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Munson to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2634?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please vote your switches. Have all voted who wish? Representative Rose. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 46 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2434, Representative Capparelli. Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Capparelli. Would someone ask Mr. Capparelli if he would like to call his Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Dean of the House, Mr. Capparelli.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2434 amends the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District article of the Pension Code and authorize the employees to purchase up to 09300033.doc 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 two years additional service credit for military, prior military service. The Water Reclamation Fund does not allow, at this time, any additional time for prior service. House Bill 2435… 34 authorizes the commissioner of Water Reclamation to purchase up to two years additional service for prior military service. I don’t know of any opposition to this Bill. I would like to ask ya for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Stephens, the Gentleman from Fayette.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2434?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 109 Members voting ‘yes’, 7 Members voting ‘no’, and 0 voting 09300033.doc 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 47 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3385, Mr. Rose. 3385, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Rose.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3385?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Stephens.” 09300033.doc 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Mr. Stephens, have you filed your Motion in writing?”

“Mr. Black. Your light was on.”

“I don’t…”

“I don’t think that was this Bill…”

“…but I’m looking forward to that one…”

“…as you are.”

“I…”

“I think is has something to do with…”

“Okay. I’m sure they will. Mr. Stephens, would you withdraw your Motion? Would you please withdraw your Motion? The Motion is withdrawn. On page 46 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 09300033.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 2887, Representative Brunsvold. Mr. Brunsvold. Out of the record. On page 38 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3411, Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Okay. Leave that Bill on Third Reading. On page 10 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1415, Representative Kelly. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Kelly.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m still waiting for an Amendment to the Bill.”

“Would you like to leave it on Third then until you’re ready?”

“Yes, I would.”

“Okay. Thank you. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1415?” 09300033.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Move that Bill back to the Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment at the request of the Sponsor. On page 3 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 89, Mr. Lang. Out of the record. On page 31 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3001, Mr. Watson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 6 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 360, Mr. Novak. Mr. Novak in the chamber? Out of the record. On page 32, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3061, Representative Ryg. Out of the record. On page 5 on the Calendar appears House Bill, on Second Reading, 277, Mr. Washington. Mr. Washington, would you like to hear that Bill on Second Reading? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Washington, would you like to hear that Bill now on Third Reading? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Mr. Washington on House Bill 277. Would you please explain your Bill.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what House Bill 277 does is a Bill that says that the Legislators in the State of Illinois believe in an even playing field when it comes to taxpayers’ money and that those monies are in the care of the constitutional officer, the treasurer, to make sure, to go the extra mile, to make sure that the banks that are given the privilege to hold state public funds that they will make sure that communities and in particular, those who are less fortunate, that that money is evenly spread out in communities to help them with the economic growth. And also to be mindful that redlining behavior is something that we must discourage as Legislators of goodwill and good faith and we wanna see an even playing field of equal access and equal opportunity.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 277? The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“I’m sorry, Sir.” 09300033.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“That’s right. No, Sir, it does not.”

“Well, Representative, forgive me for not being clear on what you’re referring to, but the answer to your previous question is ‘no’ and we’ve taken up all of the concerns of everybody that would have a concern.”

“Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I’m sorry. I’m gonna… I need to make an adjustment. I’d like to take it out of the record, House Bill 277.”

“Sure.”

“I’m sorry, Sir.”

“House Bill 277, take it out of the record, please, Mr. Clerk.”

“Yes.”

“Yes. Take that Bill out of the record. Take that Bill back to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment at the request of the Sponsor. That’ll be House Bill 277. On page 38 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3429, Mr. Dunkin. Mr. Dunkin. Out of the record. On page 10 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1352, Mr. Yarbrough. Representative Yarbrough. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. There are still notes requested on that. That Bill will remain on Second Reading. On page 45 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1548, Mr. Wait. 1548. Out of the record. On page 46 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2577, Mr. Phelps. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions.”

“You’ve heard the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Okay. Ladies and Gentlemen, we’re about to go to second priorities. First priorities, we’ve been through the page (sic-Calendar) and people have… are not ready or whatever. So, we’re gonna do 09300033.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 it alphabetically, as well. On page 47, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2890, Representative Brunsvold. Out of the record. On page 47, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 3101, Representative Beaubien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Beaubien.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3101? Seeing no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3101?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please vote your switches. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 09300033.doc 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 108 Members voting ‘yes’, 4 Members voting ‘no’, 3 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 47 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 3090, Mr. Dunn. Mr. Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Dunn.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3090? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3090?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 44 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 1182, Representative Collins. Representative Collins. 09300033.doc 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Out of the record. On page 43 on the Calendar appears House Bill 337, Representative Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Davis.” Davis, W.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 337 amends the transportation article of the School Code. It allows a school board to provide… school board to provide free transportation for any pupil residing within one and one half miles from the school attending where conditions are such that walking constitutes a serious hazard due to a situation seriously affecting student safety. So, it essentially broadens the statute to include things other then vehicular traffic as a… as a problem or impediment to getting to school. Be more than happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 30…337? The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Chapa La Via.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Kosel.” 09300033.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Jakobsson.”

“Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I support this Bill also. Sometimes, in the community that I live in, I see children walking to school, crossing hazardous intersections and railroad tracks while a school bus that is not full goes right past them, but because they live within that one and a half mile radius, they’re not allowed to have the school bus. So, I think this is a good Bill.”

“Further discussion? Representative Moffitt.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Davis to close.” Davis, W.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, Members, we’re not living in the same times that we were once living in. And if education is truly the priority that we say it is, we have to make every opportunity for our young people to get to and from school in a safe environment that would allow them the opportunity to learn without encumbrances. I appreciate the bipartisan support on this Bill. And ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 337?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Miller. Mr. Wirsing. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 87 Members voting ‘yes’, 2 Members voting ‘no’, 26 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, 09300033.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 is hereby declared passed. On page 45 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2311, Representative Flowers or Feigenholtz. Out of the record. Representative Feigenholtz. 2311. Out of the record. Ho… On page 46 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2587, Representative Jones, Lou Jones. Out of the record. On page 47 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 3487, Representative Mulligan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Mulligan.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Representative, I understand what you’re trying to do here, but I have some concerns. Will the study also talk about what would happen if… if there is a four-day work week… a four-day school week, what about the child care on that fifth day? And what’s this gonna do for latchkey kids? It’s something that’s really concerning me ‘cause I think we have enough problems now with kids getting home and mom or dad aren’t home to meet ‘em. And then, if we have an extra day where they’re on their own, I’m really worried about the cost to these children.”

“Right.”

“Right.”

“Yeah. And I wanna be educated on this issue, too. It might be a good idea, it might not. I guess, as part of the study, I’d ask you to look at those other states that are… Are there other states that are doing it now?”

“Right.”

“Yeah. I’ve got family in Florida who also have year- round school. I guess the other question I’d ask you to look is, in this study, besides the grades and how… and the performance, I’d also ask to look at maybe, since you’re talking mak… mostly for high schools, I’d also ask you to look at teen pregnancy rates and also… and I know it sounds funny, but I’d also look at that and…” 09300033.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Okay. Well, thank you. I’ll support the Bill.”

“Further di… further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Flowers.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Lady yield?”

“Lady will yield.”

“Representative, whose best interest would this Bill be for?”

“Okay. Well, my interest would be with the child and the long range affect that this may have. And when you 09300033.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 talk about… are we talkin’ about for grammar school and high schools?”

“You know, I just went over and complimented Representative Kosel on Representative Davis’ Bill and in regards to the transportation and I asked her, how were we gonna pay for that. And when I think about what your Bill is doing in regards to supposedly trying to save money, I can imagine that it’s gonna cost us more moneys. I wish my school district was like yours. I wish I had a before school program, an after school program or an extended program for my child to stay in school. I would imagine that the classrooms would be a lot tighter, the school 09300033.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 buses will be a lot crowded if my child will have to be on the bus a lot longer because then we’d have to distribute more kids home and it would take them longer to get there. And to me this will be a stress on the student, #1, for that length of time. It would be a stress on the student in regards to the amount of homework that they would have to do. It would be a stress on the student in regards to what all the… the changes it’s gonna make in their lives and how often they’ll be left home alone. And it would be a stress on the parent because of the all the changes that they would have to make in order to work around what we’re trying to do in regards to trying to save the school money and not trying to save the mon… and not trying to do what’s best to educate our kids. Now, you know what I envision? I really envision, you know, how some jobs have three shifts. I can imagine us having a three-shift school as opposed to a one-shift. I could imagine that that would save moneys and save time and on transportation. So, but anyway, I just object to your Bill. Thank you very much.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? No one is seeking recognition, Representative Mulligan to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3487?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted your switch? Mr. Moffitt. Representative Ryg. Mr. Scully. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 60 Members voting ‘yes’, 44 Members voting ‘no’, 9 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 47 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2972, Mr. Joyce. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Joyce.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Electronic Mail Act… House Bill 2872 (sic- 2972) amends the Electronic Mail Act to allow for less unsolicited electronic mails and to require notification of advertisements and adult-related advertisements. This is an initiative of the state’s attorneys in the State of 09300033.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Illinois. I urge an ‘aye’ vote. And would entertain any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Civil penalties.”

“No… It’s… I believe it’s just misdemeanors and I think… I believe it’s civil penalties and it also forbids the sale after someone has indicated that they do not wanna be contacted again on their e-mail, it forbids the sale of their name to any other advertising agencies or product lines.”

“There are fines. I don’t know… Representative Parke, I remember we talked about this in committee and I sent you… I don’t know if you got that memo that I se… put on your desk.”

“No… I’m right here, Representative Parke. It wasn’t… I didn’t send it electronically, I hand delivered it and put it on the desk you’re standing at right now, yesterday afternoon.”

“Okay.”

“It’s civil penalties, not criminal.”

“If you look under Section C…”

“Do you have the Bill in front of you or no or just analysis?”

“There are no criminal penalties involved in this, Representative Parke and under Section C in the Bill, ‘the injured person may re… recover attorney’s fees and costs and may elect, in lieu of recovery of actual damages, to recover the lesser $10 for each and every unsolicited electronic mail advertisement transmitted in violation of this Section, or $25 thousand per day.’”

“Mr. Parke, have you concluded?” 09300033.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“In Section C, yes.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Joyce to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We have, on a regular basis, tried to stop advertising on the Internet and e-mails and a lot of our children are on the… on the Internet on a regular basis and this Bill would allow the stoppage of adult advertising reaching those kids. I’d appreciate an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2972?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 09300033.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 47 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2930, Representative Osmond. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Osmond.”

“Is there any questions? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2930?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Munson. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 46 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2543, Representative Joe Lyons. Mr. Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Representative Lyons.” Lyons, J.: “Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2543 is an initiative of the Illinois Financial Services Association… Association and Consumer Finance Companies. It allows ‘em to increase their limit on consumer loans to 40 thousand, which is now currently 25 thousand. The increase is needed to address the increase costs basically of automobiles which… they have not had an increase in this since 1998, five years. So, as we all know, the cost of vehicles has well exceeded $25 thousand in many cases. So, I would ask for a favorable vote on this thing. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2543? Representative Black.”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2543?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? McKeon. Mr. Reitz. Mr. Scully. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 3 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Novak, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Yes, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege, please.” 09300033.doc 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“State your point.”

“Well, we all know, as we’ve been working down here all week, the conflict in Iraq between the expeditionary forces and we know that this conflict is about a half a world away and I know we’ve had… taken some time out to reflect our own… our own prayers and our own manners with respect to what’s occurring out there because we have a number of men and women in our armed forces from the State of Illinois that are serving their country in a gallant manner. I was advised earlier, a few minutes ago, that one of the first casualties in Illinois is a young man from my legislative district in St. Anne. His name is Captain Ryan Beaupre. He’s 30 years old and he was one of the… one of the crew members of the helicopter that crashed, I believe, in Kuwait. So, I know a lot of the Beaupre family and my heart goes out to the family, my sympathies and condolences. And I’d like to ask everyone if they could just give this young man some sympathy for his family.”

“Thank you. On page 47 on the Calendar appears House Bill 3063, Representative Pankau. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Pankau.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3063? The Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Will older trailers need to be retrofitted?”

“Will they be grandfathered in?”

“Okay. Now, do these brakes that they have on these boat trailers, are you talking that they’re automatic, they’d engage automatically and the driver wouldn’t have to engage a brake. Correctly… correct?”

“There’s no requirement for upgrading at all. It’s like…”

“Okay. And will this make our roads safer? I guess that’s the bottom line.”

“Can I ask why you’re bringing this Bill?”

“Okay.”

“Are there any opponents to this Bill?”

“Okay. I’m… obviously, we’re all worried about highway safety.”

“I just wanted to make sure were not doing anything to decrease the safety on our roads.”

“Okay. Well, thank you, Representative.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Sacia.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Representative Steve Davis. Representative Hannig in the Chair.” Davis, S.: “Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates… she indicates she will.” Davis, S.: “Thank you. Representative, I had a similar Bill, I think, a couple of years ago dealing with this issue and we had the same problem with a retail boat dealership in my district. And I think what one of the main problems is, is that the manufacturers, who are manufacturing and shipping these boat trailers to the retail dealerships, are not complying with current Illinois law. That was my understanding at the time. And it seems to me that the legislation I drafted was to tighten that up and to try to make sure that the manufacturers who are manufacturing the boat trailers and shipping them into the State of Illinois were complying with the current Illinois law on brake standards. At the time, I think, that there was some opposition from IDOT to my Bill and I don’t think it went anywhere. And I’m surprised that IDOT hasn’t filed a slip in opposition to your Bill to exempt them. I understand the exemption because we literally have probably thousands of these trailers on the road right now that are not in compliance with current State Law. So, I understand what you’re trying to do with your piece of legislation. Also, you’re trying to and I was also trying to do this, take 09300033.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 some of the liability off of the retail boat dealerships by introducing this legislation because they’re kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. They’re given a product that really does not comply, but yet they are liable in case there’s an accident on the road with the current boat trailers that they are selling. So, I understand what your legislation is, but I think that we need to address the problem at the manufacturing level and we should at some point in time require Illinois law to make sure that these manufacturers are shipping us legal trailers in this state and not illegal trailers with the proper brake systems on or… I understand what’s goin’ on. I’m gonna support the Bill, but I think that we need to look at the overall picture and put the manufacturers’ feet to the fire instead of the dealerships.”

“Representative Sacia.”

Speaker Hannig: “Thank you, Representative. And now, Representative Pankau to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 3063 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 77 voting ‘yes’, 27 voting ‘no’, 10 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Mendoza, are you ready for House Bill 3587? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill. Excuse me. Representative Daniels, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Representative. And Representative Meyer, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Representative. And Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise?”

“And Mr. Clerk, would you now read House Bill 3587, please.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Mendoza.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3587 is a very important Bill. It’s a teachers Bill. It helps not only teachers but children. Six… well, I shouldn’t say six years ago, but many, many years ago there was a Bill that was passed that said that if you are a legal U.S. resident, which means you have every right to live and work here for the rest of your life if you choose to do so… authorized to work and you become a teacher, you’d have six years time upon your certification in which time you had to become a U.S. citizen or else you lose your certification. Currently, we have over a thousand teachers who are in the position of either having been fired or going to be fired if they don’t meet that six-year requirement. Now, some people might ask, why not just extend the deadline. I myself asked myself that 09300033.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 question and I had a Bill that would do so, but after speaking with other teachers who notified me about my extension Bill, they told me that they’re… it’s virtually impossible to… to meet a requirement of even… of an extension of two years to maybe eight years or four years to maybe ten years. And so at some point you get to the point where it becomes ridiculous to keep extending and extending. Therefore, this Bill would just eliminate the requirement for people that have to become U.S. citizens in order to keep their jobs as teachers. We’re currently faced with a teacher shortage epidemic in this state. This would help directly with that teacher shortage. The State of Illinois goes to Russia, we go to Germany, we go to France to recruit teachers for foreign language programs… I know, I should’ve probably… and… and unfortunately we bring these teachers here, they uproot their families, they come here, they’re authorized to work and to teach and after six years we’re telling them that if they haven’t become citizens, they… they’ve gotta go. I think that’s wrong. It not only hurts the teacher, but it more importantly hurts the children who are being taught. And I would therefore ask for an ‘aye’ vote on this Bill.”

“The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 3587. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Lyons.” Lyons, J.: “Just in quick support, Speaker, to the Bill. I wanna thank Representative Mendoza for doing this. Many of us have received letters from teachers in situations like 09300033.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 yours who are so desperately concerned about wanting to do a great job, are doing a great job and needed legislation like this. Suzanne (sic-Susana), this is a great piece of legislation for the teachers that deserve protection that you are providing for ‘em. It’s a great Bill. Thanks for bringing it to us.”

“Representative Lang.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to reiterate what Representative Lyons just said. I’ve been receiving letters, not only from teachers in my district, but also administrators who are begging me to try to do something so they can keep their best and brightest teachers. The bureaucratic mess that we have in this area can be fixed by this Bill. And if we pass this Bill, which we should’ve done last year, we’ll be in a position where we won’t have to, because of some artificial deadlines in the law, lose some of our best teachers and worse, maybe force them to leave the country on top of it. So, this is an important piece of legislation and at a time where we have a teaching shortage, we cannot afford to let this Bill sit on the Calendar. Please vote ‘aye’.”

“Representative Feigenholtz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not want to reiterate what Representative that spoke before me just said, but this is a Bill that has seen its way through the General Assembly for the last three years. There are a lot of Members on this floor who have had hybrids and renditions of it. But I believe that Representative 09300033.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Mendoza’s version of it is going to rectify problems that… and has even improved it better, so now it is the perfect Bill. So, we do have a teacher shortage in this state. We have people who are wanting to become American citizens who are waiting for that opportunity, some that plan to return to their countries one day and this will allow all of them to have an opportunity to help us with our teacher shortage in Illinois. And I support this. Vote ‘yes’.”

“Representative Bellock.”

“She indicates she will yield.”

“Yes, this Bill…”

“Yes, the Bill does not extend, it just says that we eliminate the requirement of having to be a U.S. citizen in order to keep their job and their certification.”

“Yes. Now, I’d like to clarify though that the vast majority of teachers want to become U.S. citizens. For example, the woman who came to testify on the Bill, she’s from Russia, she’s lived here for ten years, has already applied for citizenship it just hasn’t been granted to her yet. And so these are many of the best bulk of the teachers that we’re talking about, are teachers who want to become U.S. citizens. But there are cases where a teacher may… we may be recruiting somebody, let’s say from Russia, and they may be willing to give the United States of America and the State of Illinois ten or twelve years of their time and experience our culture, give back to our culture as well, through the classroom and eventually go back to their homeland. And so, I mean, really if we’re going to be telling people that they should be U.S. citizens, I think that’s wonderful and I would encourage it of everyone but I don’t think we should be mandating it in order for that person to keep their job, because I can tell you as an American and a proud American that patriotism is in the heart and we see that every day now in war. We’ve got U.S.… legal residents, not US citizens, who are fighting for our country. And I think that, ya know, you shouldn’t necessarily have to be a U.S. citizen to work in a classroom or to teach our kids. That’s a duty in and of itself that… and a service that I think is being provided by many, over a thousand people right now to our children.”

“Absolutely. They are absolutely legal U.S. residents who are authorized to work here, live here, they pay taxes, the only difference is they cannot vote on election day.”

“Representative Aguilar.”

“Representative Soto.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, stand in support of this Bill. And I urge this General Assembly to support it. I think it’s a good Bill. I think it affects a lot of our children in all of our districts. So, again, I urge you for your support and I thank you for your support.”

“So, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 09300033.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 102 voting ‘yes’, 3 voting ‘no’, and 6 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. And I’d like to announce that with regards to the Agreed List #1, Supplemental #1, the Clerk has certified that all Bills and Resolutions have received a sufficient number of votes. And therefore, the Bills and Resolutions contained on Agreed List #1, Supplemental #1, have received the required Constitutional Majority, and are hereby declared passed. Representative Pihos on House Bill 3058. Out of the record. Representative Biggins, for what reason do you rise?”

“State your point.”

“Welcome to Springfield. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 3452.”

“Representative McGuire.” 09300033.doc 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to pass this Bill, but we have to take it out of the record for an Amendment. Thank you.”

“Okay. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, could you read House Bill 2863.”

“Third Reading. Representative… Representative Molaro, are you prepared on House Bill 2648? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Illinois House. This is clarification language that really deals only with Cook County. Basically, what it does is, as of now, for example, when there’s a TIF district and the TIF district expires, the property is now brought on the roll and it’s brought on as new property so, therefore, it can be assessed as new property and the taxing bodies will get that benefit. In Cook County, we have Class 6B, 7, 8, and 9 which talks about incentives and when a village allows an incentive for these types of properties, they’re not taxed at the 36 or 38 percent they’re taxed at the 16 percent. When that incentive period is over, to get them 09300033.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 back to where they’re taxed at 36 and 38 percent, which they normally should be, they have to be listed as new property and that’s what this Bill does. It calls them new property, so, therefore, these type of properties can be brought back on the rolls at 36 and 38 percent and not at 16 percent. And that’s what the Bill does. And I would ask for a favorable Roll Call.”

Speaker Hannig: “Is there any discussion? Representative Meyer.”

“Yes. He indicates he will yield.”

“Well, basically, apparently under these classes that are now in effect in Cook County only, there’s different classes of property. And when… when a village allows for incentives, were created to attract commercial and industrial property in Cook County, they are granted a reduction. So, to put ‘em back on the rolls when they come out of these classes, right, we have to now list them because they were built new and they were put in this class, we have to list them as new property so we get the 36 percent instead of just the 16 percent when they’re in these classes. I don’t know if that answers your question.” 09300033.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Well… Yeah. These are only properties that were given an incentive when they were originally built by either the county or the village. So, said, that we want as much… you know, actually the genesis of this Bill and Representative Lyons had a… the exact same Bill and I sorta called mine first ‘cause I’m chairman of Revenue, so her Bill, unfortunately, died in committee. But it’s the same exact Bill. This happened in… somewhere in both of our districts and it had to do with UPS wanted to build a brand new plant in our districts and we wanted to encourage that. So, UPS was given an… was categorized as a 6B property whereby even though they were commercial property, they were taxed at 16 percent instead of 36 or 38 percent as all commercial property is after they’re valued. Well, we were told by ED-RED, which is all the educational tax bodies, that when and until when they come off this incentive we must crea… call them ‘new property’. If we don’t call them new property, they don’t come on at 36 percent, they stay at 16 percent. So, that’s what this Bill does. Just says that when they come back on, they’re listed at for the tax code as new property.” 09300033.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“I’m sorry, can you repeat that.”

“I was talking to one of your Leaders.”

“Yes.”

“Well, the assessed… the point is, the assessed valuation is created, whatever that number is. Eight million, whatever the… the county assessed at and because of this incentive, they only have to pay 16 percent. This will cri… This will raise it to 36 percent, so in reality, yes, the owners of that property will now when their tax bill comes out being assessed at 16 versus 38; yes, they will pay a bigger amount, but they knew that going in. That’s why the assessor’s for this and nobody’s against this Bill. The property owners knew that when they were given this special assessment and this special break, they knew that at seven or ten years later they would be assessed at the higher rate. That their incentive is now over and they’re gonna be put on the tax rolls like every other commercial piece of property in Cook County, so they are well aware of this. When it comes to that year, they’re not surprised by this… by this.”

“Because we put this language for new property. We did this for TIF districts when you come out of the TIF 09300033.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 district. We didn’t do it for Class 6B and Class 7B property. It was an oversight and we’re correcting that language now and the assessor agrees it’s an oversight and that is why he’s in… he agrees with this and is a proponent of the legislation.”

“Well, a TIF district includes… there’s a whole, I would say, apparatus that you would have to go through to be declared a TIF district. These, you don’t have to become a TIF district to do this. The assessor with the municipality apparently can give this classification of 6B or 7, now, without creating a TIF district. But I can’t stand here and recite all of the classes of property. We’d have to get an expert at…”

“No.”

“No. The law… just the opposite. When… when Cook County municipalities gave these classifications to single pieces of property, not creating an entire district, just single pieces of property and they gave them this Class 6B, Class 7B designation, that they would be incentifide by these designations to build the prop… build their structures there, they would get this incentive for six or seven years and then be brought back on the tax rolls. When they created these so-called incentives, they didn’t clarify that they would be brought on as new properties like we do clarify in the TIF law, so they knew that they would be this and this is just putting in what we intended to do originally.”

“No problem.”

“I’m told it’s forward-looking only.”

Speaker Hannig: “Have you concluded your remarks, Representative?”

“Thank you, Representative. Now, the Chair will recognize the Lady from Cook County, the Majority Leader, Representative Currie to clarify.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. It’s a really simple, straightforward Bill. When property tax caps were approved in this Assembly, there was an exemption for new property. So, if you have an empty parcel and someone builds a building, you can count the value of that new building in your property tax base. We were careful to make sure that if a property has not been taxed… assessed appropriately because it’s in a TIF district that at the time when the TIF ends the property counts as new property for purposes of the tax cap. In Cook County, only in Cook County, we classify real property and as the Sponsor said, there is an incentive program under which local governments or the Cook County assessor can offer someone who wants to 09300033.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 build a new, a lower classification for a short period of time. The question is, when that time period expires does that property get to count the way it would have had there been no incentive classification? So, all this does is to say, yes, it’s new property in the sense that it’s new assessed value is what you use for figuring out your tax rate. It’s comparable entirely to what we do with property that just came onto the tax rolls this year and it is identical to the way we treat property once a TIF has expired and the regular assessment applies.”

“Representative Biggins.”

“He indicates he will yield.”

“No.”

“No.”

“No, not at all.”

“Representative Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in strong support of this legislation and I’d like to put people’s minds at ease. This is not an attempt to get rid of PTAB. This is not an attempt to go around the tax cap. I think it was explained earlier very well by Representative Currie. What this Bill does is allows taxing districts to access property they would not be able to access otherwise. This is… we’re not setting a precedent here. This has been done by this Body in the past, where we have had hospitals that have gone from not-for-profit to a for profit category and have… we have deemed them new property as well. So, as I said, I rise in strong support of this legislation. This is good for the taxing districts in my district and I’m sure in a lot of districts in Cook County. And I would urge your support.” 09300033.doc 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

Speaker Hannig: “Representative Molaro, would you like to close?”

“Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank Representative Currie for her succinct and of course, intelligent explanation and I’d also like to thank Representative Lyons for allowing us to proceed with this Bill in my name. Thank you very much. And I would ask for a favorable Roll Call.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 2648 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 93 voting ‘yes’ and 20 voting ‘no’, 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2491.”

“Representative Granberg, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have an inquiry of the Chair.”

“State your inquiry.”

“There are a number of Members who have an issue and if you could ask Speaker Madigan to address this point. A number of the Members are asking, Speaker, as a resident of Illinois and as the State Party Chairman of the Democratic Party, I assume, we’re… you’re gonna give moral support to 09300033.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 the University of Illinois as opposed to the Indiana team tomorrow?”

“We should all be for the best team.”

“Okay. And on House Bill 2491, Representative Rita.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2491 amends the School Code. Requires that the State Board of Education to implement and administer a Student Achievement Improvement Grant Program to provide two-year grants to schools on the academic watch list and un… the lowest achieving school students.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2491. Is there any discussion? There being none, then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’, and 2 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Rose. Representative Rose, are you ready on House Bill 3493? Then, Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill. No. Excuse me. Out of the record. Representative… Representative Hamos on House Bill 2345. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Floor Amendment #1 is a technical Amendment that was recommended by the committee the last time we heard this. Which basically takes municipalities with populations of less than $5 thousand out of coverage under local housing development plans. And I ask your support.”

“Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2887.”

“Director Brunsvold.”

“Oh. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2887 is an initiative of the Department of Agriculture and deals with the use of the fairgrounds. Fairgrounds are under the control of Department of Agriculture and it’s often been my belief that that facility is totally underused. This would give the Department of Agriculture the right to get into leases of the property. During the year, they’re not, of course, fair-related. Be allow them to do some special events, outside the fair, maybe even contracts going over a year so they can get events in there two, three years ahead of time. Of course, they would charge appropriate fees and 09300033.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 leases to people wanting to rent that. And it is really a good idea for us to try to utilize this great facility we have here in Springfield. And I would ask for the passage of House Bill 8… 2887.”

“And now…”

“This also includes Du Quoin Fairgrounds.”

“And on that question, Representative Meyer.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Thank you.”

“I’d like to defer those questions to Mr. Hartke, if I could. Mr. Hartke.”

“Representative Hartke.”

“Yes. The State Fairgrounds is about half a billion dollars worth of buildings. And we have a division out there called nonfair activities. Many of those activities now that are takin’ place or contracted for the use of those fairgrounds. This will allow the department to expand that possibilities to… to other entities and to charge a fee depending upon the size of the activity that is… that is out there. It also will offer some long-term contracts. Currently, we… we only contract maybe a year or two ahead of time and there are groups that would like to use the fairgrounds to where we can go out maybe five or six years as Representative Brunsvold had indicated to make long-term contracts for the use. Now, the size of the fee 09300033.doc 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 would depend the amount of grounds they’re gonna use and the activity that there gonna take place to cover our cost and to maybe even make some money for that fairgrounds.”

“Well, Representative Meyer, again, it depends upon the activity that takes place, how much they’re gonna use, what… how many hours of labor that the department will have to use to prepare for the event and then cleanup afterward. It’ll be very flexible.”

“Well, there’ll be all kinds of things that will be taken into consideration. Is it an inside building? Is it going to be used when air conditioning is needed or when the heat is needed in the wintertime or is gonna be an outside event, the grounds gonna be torn up and have to be replaced? And so, the… the size of the fee will depend upon the activity that’s gonna take place.”

“How much garbage has to be removed, et cetera.”

“Right. Currently, I think the State Fairground is totally underutilized for the amount of buildings and facilities in the 584 acres that we have out there. And so, this is a chance to expand those nonfair activities, to 09300033.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 possibly make some money, create tourism for the City of Springfield which would enhance state revenues around, totally.”

“Representative Black.”

“He indicates he will.”

“Representative Hartke.”

“It’s my understanding, yes, they do.”

“Right.”

“This is Repre…”

“I hope so.”

“Yes, I will.”

“The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Poe.”

“Which Sponsor, Representative?”

“Okay. State your question.”

“I think a little bit of both. I’ve been in contact with several individuals and we are going to try to promote the use of the fairgrounds. Last week I got a call from an individual here in Springfield who was very interested in a comment I made at a recent speaking engagement. She thinks that it’d be a fantastic idea to promote that. It would not be in competition with other facilities, the convention centers here in the city because we have… have two different types of facilities. One can handle certain things and the other cannot. And so, she had asked that we 09300033.doc 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 work with the department and the city’s convention bureau’s promotion use, work together on this.”

“And I… and I agree with that and that’s where we have to… we have to work this thing out, but right now, this change is needed for the legislation for us to go long-term.”

“There’s some of the things I think that the department ought to be looking at and we wanna utilize that space out there to the best of our ability. We’ve made the investment. We’re paying for it. We maintain those facilities. We might as well use ‘em.” 09300033.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Okay. So, there being no further discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 94 voting ‘yes’, and 21 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2345.”

“Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is the product of the work of the cosponsors whose names are 09300033.doc 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 listed up there, with four hearings that we held last fall to look into what really is a housing crisis in the State of Illinois that affects many of our families. And some of those underrepresenta… under… underserved priority populations are listed in the Bill and they range anywhere from low-income families, to disabled, to the homeless, to seniors and to people who are unable to find housing near work. This legislation really has four parts. It sets up a state agen… interagency task force that would develop an annual comprehensive housing plan. We’ve never had a housing plan in the State of Illinois. And that… and that the… the state would also prepare a six-month progress report so we could see that we were really making progress toward that plan. The second thing it would do is that the plan would prioritize the previously underserved populations that I described before. The third thing is that the initiative would pool available federal and state monies that are already available. This Bill has no GRF impact. In fact, when we looked into all the housing money that’s already coming into the state, what we learned is that it goes out in a… in a very haphazard way. It makes it very expensive and difficult to build this kind of housing. This would pool, as many other states have done now successfully, to make it easier to create housing. And the fourth thing is that it would… legislation would provide preferences for state grants and loans to those communities that decide to develop local housing development plans. This is really the carrot that we 09300033.doc 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 always talk about to get more affordable housing built in Illinois. And I’m available for questions and ask for your support.”

“And on that question, Representative Meyer is recognized.”

“She indicates she will yield.”

“Well, as I indicated, we held four housing hearings in the fall through the auspices of the Urban Revitalization Committee and the people who are involved in this, myself, and Representative Leitch, Jefferson, Hultgren and Osterman, primarily, although several others also came to those, heard about the many different needs in housing and out of that, we created a housing plan.”

“I don’t think there is. The Illinois Municipal League weighed in at the committee hearings, to be honest about that, because the Bill does say that we would like to see municipal-state partnerships in creating affordable housing. And that we would like to see communities create local housing development plans according to their own needs. But if there’s no stick to it, there’s only a carrot.”

“Yes, but again, it… that’s subsection (a). Subsection (b) says those that do should receive preferences for… for state monies. It’s the carrot, there’s no stick attached to it if they don’t decide to do it.”

“Not at all.”

“You know, the reason… the reason to require it is really to establish a state policy on housing and to involve every community to the extent that we can. But it’s really a carrot approach which is what we always talk about. The carrot here would be preferences for the kind of state grants that we do give out.”

“I’m sorry?”

“The… Well, the. You know, we really do in some detail because the plan would take the needs of these five different priority populations and then by pooling all the available money, we’d go through page after page in the kinds of things that would be… that should be considered in creating the Illinois Housing Initiative, we call it.”

“I’m sorry. Are you talking about the local plans?” 09300033.doc 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“No. We have no criteria for the local plans at all.”

“No.”

“In fact, they should be tailored to the needs of local communities. We don’t mean to superimpose any kind of state requirement there. It really should be looked at very much on a local basis.”

“The… the only language we have in here, Representative, is that each municipality shall create a local housing development plan for the development of a broad range of housing including, but not limited to, permanent housing for the priority populations identified in subsection (a), the five different priority populations. Last year, we passed a Bill which is a local planning initiative and we hope that if communities really do engage in doing this, that there will be lots of technical assistance out there, lots of model ordinances, lots of help that will be offered. But it will be very much developed on a Community-level basis.”

“I think that a lot of people have done a lot of work on housing. And then, even in Illinois, there are communities that have done a lot of work, so there are models. But 09300033.doc 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 again, this would be left to the local community to ask for help.”

“We really could just say that the preferences in the awarding of grants, loans and contracts with the state under various state funding sources, tax credits, tax incentives and technical assistance grants. The Governor would really determine that.”

“We would create preferences, Representative and preferences are carrots.”

“Thank you. These would be in the nature of preferences. There are always a lot of applicants for every available project and we… it’s not… it’s not really withholding, but we would give preferences to those communities that really are joining the state in really what is a partnership.”

“No. But in an era of limited resources, I would give preferences to those municipalities who are part of a partnership.” 09300033.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“That’s what a carrot is.”

“Is it in…”

“It’s more like an incentive.”

“Representative Lang, the Gentleman from Cook.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

“Representative, I know you’ve worked hard on this and I think this is a good idea, but I do have a couple of questions that I need to clear up. There’s a section in the Bill that requires every municipality in the state to have a housing development plan and then you have an Amendment which limits that to municipalities of over 5 thousand. Is ‘municipality’ defined in the Bill? Does this apply to just cities or cities and counties or townships? Who does this apply to?”

“Well, I think that ‘municipality’ here really does mean just the municipality. I suppose we could have thought a little more broadly about it, but truthfully, housing policy is made at the municipal level. Sometimes, I think, 09300033.doc 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 for unincorporated areas, it’s probably made differently. But, really, housing policy, zoning issues, deciding the quality of a community and the look of a community is very much a municipal level issue and this doesn’t try to abrogate that in any way.”

“Well, I don’t have a problem with that theory. I’m just concerned that the word ‘municipality’ is not defined. Would you consider getting a definition of this in the Senate?”

“Yeah.”

“Because I don’t think you intend, for instance, townships where there’s incorporated cities within townships, they shouldn’t both need to have a plan, I assume. Correct?”

“Yeah. This is… I think that’s a good idea, Representative. It’s just that this doesn’t come up in the various hearings we had on this.”

“The other question is, it says that each municipality ‘shall’ have this plan, but there doesn’t seem to be a penalty for not having the plan. Is the only penalty that if you don’t a plan you can’t get a grant?”

“Well, again, I don’t think we… we’re not… I don’t think we’re saying you can’t get a grant. We’re trying to offer an incentive for communities to do this by saying they should have preferences for grants.”

“So, the result of this would be that if a community really doesn’t care about getting such a grant, if they don’t do the plan, they’re not penalized in any way, 09300033.doc 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 there’s no punishment in this Bill, there’s no… there’s no teeth that require them to do that. They would just miss out probably on the opportunity to get a grant.”

“There’s no teeth and they may or may not miss out on the opportunity. We would give preferences to those that do it.”

“All right. Thank you very much.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“She indicates she will yield.”

“I… I guess it is.”

“Well… Representative Black, there’s a funny thing about that because we really did consider this. We only have two words in Illinois law. One is a ‘shall’ and one is a ‘may’. ‘Shall’ in this context means that it makes sense to create a statewide housing policy. ‘May’ in this context would have meant nothing. So, the goal here is to create a statewide housing policy, but the goal is not to 09300033.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 apply a stick if a municipality decides not to participate.”

“Representative, and this came up in our hearing, and at the request of my cosponsors, that it was a good idea we excluded municipalities under 5 thousand in Amendment #1.”

“Yes.”

“Yes.”

“Right.”

“No.”

“Thank you.”

“Representative Monique Davis.” Davis, M.: “Will the Sponsor yield?”

“She indicates she will yield.” Davis, M.: “Yeah. Ya know, Julie… Representative Hamos, I think it’s a wonderful idea, but I have to ask this question. Are… are there any funds available to do any of this?”

“For the Bill itself? The concept behind this Bill is that we already receive hundreds of millions of dollars in the State of Illinois coming in from the Federal Government, primarily, and some even from the state through the Real Estate Transfer Tax, currently. But the state has never put it together in a way that is… makes sense as a 09300033.doc 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 policy. So, what this really Bill… what this Bill really provides is that the state should create a plan for how it’s going to spend money for housing already available and we think that without any additional dollars, currently, we can do a lot just by pooling the money and making it more efficiently spent in the State of Illinois.” Davis, M.: “Okay. So, this Bill doesn’t offer a subsidy to renters or…?”

“This is not the Bill that does that, no.” Davis, M.: “Okay. Thank you, Julie. It’s a great concept.”

“Representative Mathias.”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

“Are there any what, please?” 09300033.doc 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“I guess I don’t know how to answer that. We’d like them to do it. It would be great if they did.”

“You know, if you… if you read subsection (a) and subsection (b) together, under one Section, it tries to create a state approach for housing. Leaves it very much at the local municipal level and then it says, in subsection (b), that a municipality that does adopt the local housing development plan shall receive preference. So, it’s… it’s… it infers, in subsection (b), that not… not everybody’s really going to do it.”

“I think those communities that already do comprehensive planning are really one step ahead because they are looking at the total needs of their community. This really, I think, if they read this law, they will try to include housing as part of a comprehensive plan. Again, many communities are already doing that.”

“Right.”

“Right.”

“Right.”

“Right.”

“They would not…”

“Right.”

“I think a comprehensive plan that includes housing is really the ideal for a community and would not… this would not be a separate plan from a total comprehensive plan.”

“This suggests a broad range of housing, including some of the underserved populations.”

“This doesn’t get into the specifics. Every community has to think about those things for itself. We, the 09300033.doc 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Sponsors of this, left it purposefully vague because it very much has to be tailored for individual communities. This is not a top-down approach to what a plan must include, spelling out all the different criteria. It really just suggests that housing is so important to so many people that communities should consider this as part of their overall goals.”

“Each municipality.”

“Again…”

“We’ll have the parliamentarian take a look at that. Could you proceed with your questions.”

“Representative Franks.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“She indicates she will.”

“Representative Hamos, I’m… I’m reading the Amendment and I’m a little confused with the language. It says that this section does not apply to any municipality with a population of less than 5 thousand. But it goes on to say, provided that any county with a population of less than 25 thousand can develop its own housing development plan. 09300033.doc 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Does this mean that those municipalities with less than 5 thousand, but in counties with more than 25 thousand are therefore not exempt?”

“No. I think that that is not the… that is not my reading of the Amendment. But it does suggest that counties… you know, this was at the request of some of the rural groups that are working downstate. They wanted this kind of language really to get counties in rural areas involved in helping local, smaller areas… smaller, rural areas develop housing plans.”

“I understand the rationale behind it, but I think that I respectfully disagree with your interpretation. If one reads that Amendment, it’s all in the same sentence and it looks to me that it is a… a contingent that the only way it can be exempt is if the small county, i.e., one with less than 25 thousand, puts together a plan. And what concerns me is, I’ve got many municipalities in my district with less than 5 thousand people, but my county has 260 thousand people. And I think that those small towns, the way this is written, are not gonna be exempt.”

“Well, Representative Franks, I think for purposes of legislative intent, let me say that what the committee intended was that municipalities of less than $5 thousand… 5 thousand people, I’m sorry, would not be included in this Section. The second part of that phrase is to involve counties, small counties, in some areas of the state.” 09300033.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Well, should this pass, I’d ask that this be amended in the Senate to make that clear because I think, as it’s written now, it means the opposite. Thank you.”

“Representative Kelly.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Hamos, you talked about preferences given to local municipalities who decide to develop a housing plan. My concern or question is for those municipalities who don’t choose to develop a plan because they already have enough affordable housing, like we do in the southern suburbs, I hope that we would still be given preferences for grants and loans. Do you see my point?”

“Yeah. This doesn’t… I think in those areas that already have a lot of affordable housing, it is very easy for them to create a plan that might include some broader range of housing with some goal to achieve some other housing goals for different populations.”

“No, I agree with your idea. I think it’s a great idea, but I’m just concerned some municipalities might say, we don’t need to develop a plan for affordable housing because we already have it. Thank you.”

“Is there any further discussion? Okay. The parliamentarian now will answer the question on the Home Rule.”

“And so, Representative Hamos to close.” 09300033.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ve spent a lot of time talking about two paragraphs of a lengthy Bill in a lengthy process. But really, if I… I would really ask you and refer you to the rest of the Bill which really says that housing is such a fundamental need of our constituents in all of our districts that we would hope that the State of Illinois, under a new administration, will move forward in developing a comprehensive housing policy and a housing plan. And that’s really what this Bill is about. And I urge your favorable support.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 2345 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 71 voting ‘yes’ and 37 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative O’Brien, are you ready on House Bill 1195? Out of the record. Representative Reitz, on 2951. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse me. Representative… Representative May, for what reason do you rise?”

“Ah, yes. Mr. Speaker, on the previous Bill, 2887, I wish to be recorded as a ‘yes’ vote. My speak… my little switch didn’t work properly.”

“Okay.”

“Thank you.”

“And Representative Rita, what did… for what reason do you rise?” 09300033.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Point of personal privilege. On yesterday’s vote on House Bill 1096, my intent was a ‘yes’ vote.”

“The Journal will… in both cases, the Journal will recognize your intentions. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Reitz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 29… 2951 changes the fee for the daily use stamps. It’s an initiative of the… for pheasant hunting, to go pheasant hunting on parks that are controlled by the Department of Natural Resources. It is an initiative of the department. It’s going to help cover some of the costs that we have. We, currently, have control of the hunts throughout all… some of the parks in Illinois. The current cost that we incur for that is a little over $40 a day. The current fee is $15. This would change the fee to $20 beginning in 2004 and $25 in 2007. The intent of this is just to try to make sure that we can continue to have pheasant hunts at our state parks and not have to incur that… all of the costs that we are incurring now to have that cost go to the state. So, we’re trying to preserve these hunts for our hunters in southern Illinois. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 09300033.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting ‘yes’ and 45 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Smith, are you ready on House Bill 2955? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a pension issue that applies to the State Employees Retirement System. And it amends the current provision in the State Finance Act that allows retiring state employees to receive cash payment for unused vacation, overtime and holiday days, as well as, one half of the unused sick days that they earned from 1984, when that was first allowed, to 1998. Under this Bill, the right to receive cash for these unused days can be made subject to the terms of a collective bargaining agreement that they may be governed by. I know of no opposition. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2955. And on that question, the Gentle… the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. Representative Black, you’re on.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.” 09300033.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Well, Representative Black, we’re simply saying that… that… that this would be subject to the terms of a collective bargaining agreement which currently would… they’re required to receive this. We’re simply saying that they can be made subject to a collective bargaining agreement.”

“That’s right.”

“That’s my understanding, right.”

“That’s right.”

“No, he has not, Representative Black. I might add, I should have in my opening statement, that this is simply 09300033.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 doing what we did last year for the employees of the community colleges of the City of Chicago.”

“No, it does not.”

“Is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 2955 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting ‘yes’ and 1 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, 09300033.doc 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 1624.”

“Representative Scully.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I’d like to present to you House Bill 1624 entitled the Computer Lemon Act which amends the Consumer Fraud Act to make specific provisions for disclosures to consumer buyers of computers and to impose specific requirements on computer manufacturers for the repair of computers. This Bill was presented previously last… in last Session. It passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 109 to 1. It died in Senate Rules in the past. Just earlier this week, this same Bill was passed by the Senate by a vote of, I believe, 41 to 18. And I’d be happy to answer any questions. And I’d ask for your favorable vote.”

Speaker Hannig: “Is there any discussion? Representative Parke.”

“He indicates he will yield.”

“Mr. Representative, in… in committee, they did not voice or file a witness slip. They have never approached 09300033.doc 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 me, so prior to you telling me that they are opposed to it, I was not aware that they were opposed to it.”

“I wish they had told me so.”

“Thank you.”

“Representative Scully to close.”

“…a favorable vote. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 1624 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting ‘yes’ and 6 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Sacia, are you prepared on House Bill 3692? 3692. Mr… Mr. Clerk, would you… would you read the Bill. Excuse me.”

“Excuse me. Mr. Sacia.”

“The Chair apologizes for mispronouncing your name, Representative Sacia.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 3692. And on that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“Yes, Representative.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative Hartke.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative Sacia, what do you know about milk trucks?”

“Is that right?”

“All right. How many gallons of milk can you haul in a milk truck?”

“Five thousand gallons?” 09300033.doc 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“On a straight truck?”

“What about a semi?”

“Probably around eight thousand gallons.”

“Took off with a gallon… an eight thousand gallon of milk and ran it to Florida and dumped it out. What would you bring back, orange juice?”

“Empty tanks?”

“You can’t bring orange juice back?”

“How about Roundup Ready chemicals?”

“Why not?”

“Oh. So, they have to clean ‘em out when they get down there?”

“Rinse ‘em once or twice?”

“Extensively. Would you explain that?”

“Is what?”

“Oh.”

“Is that something like Clorox?”

“You could probably bring Clorox back then, couldn’t ya?”

“Liquid Clorox, you could bring back and when you got it back up here, milk the cows and then, again, and send it to Florida.”

“But you’re cleaning ‘em out with Clorox.”

“Oh, but you can’t bring the Clorox back?”

“So, it only has to be a food product brought back?”

“How about egg whites?”

“How about egg yolks?”

“How many eggs would it take to fill one of these up?”

“A bunch. How many’s a bunch? Two dozen?” 09300033.doc 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Goose eggs or hen eggs?”

“Now, wait a minute. If it only holds five thousand gallon, you mean milk varies in its weight?”

“Oh. So, why would you wanna fill the truck to break the law?”

“And… and county and township roads probably as well.”

“So, that’s permissible under this law?”

“Today…”

“Right. Because you know…”

“Right.”

“A dairy truck goes to the farm and sometimes in the spring, they’ll produce more milk than they will in the fall?”

“Do hens lay more eggs in the fall than they do in the summer?”

“Okay. And this goes for chocolate milk, as well?”

“How many cows give chocolate milk?”

“Yeah, well, we ought to bring a cow in to find that out, you know. Okay. I have no further questions, but I agree with your Bill.”

“Representative McCarthy.”

“Thank you, Mr. Spo… Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative Sacia, I thought I didn’t understand the Bill until I got the questions from my friend from Effingham and now, I’m completely confused. But, I have two simple questions. The… according to our analysis the Illinois Department of Transportation is an opponent of the Bill.”

“Is that still true?”

“Okay. And what was their… their main reason for being an opponent?”

“Okay. Did you say we created legalities for cement trucks?”

“And would I be right to say that their main objection is probably the weight?”

“That they think that the weight of the truck…”

“And so, by changing this, what weight is it at now and what weight will it go to, that they’ll be allowable on the roads?”

“And do you know, if… if we make this change and make them a nondivisible truck, or you wanna make ‘em not a nondivisible truck, I guess. Will that allow for them to pay more in road fees in case there is some damage to the roads, from the extra weight on these trucks?”

“Okay. I appreciate your answer. The other thing is. We also have the Illinois Municipal League is against this for some reason. Do you have any idea what that reason is?”

“Well, it…”

“It’s on our analysis, but that could or could not be true so… Thank you for your answers.”

“Representative Brauer.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative Sacia to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 3692 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Daniels, for what reason do you rise?”

“Okay. So, the Gentleman has asked that we waive the posting requirements for the purposes of a subject matter only hearing. Are there any objections? There being no objections, then the Gentleman’s Motion will prevail. Representative Giles, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On House Bill 2955, I would have voted ‘aye’. Could the record reflect that… that vote?”

And Representative Collins, for what reason do you rise?”

“Yes. I just wanted to, Mr. Speaker, on 2955, I did not vote. I want the record to reflect a ‘yes’ vote, please.”

“The Journal will reflect your intention in both cases. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2527.”

“Representative Osterman.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2527 allows the Chicago Public Library the ability to establish itself as a separate library system. Currently, they are part of the Chicago Library System. The funding from the Secretary of State for these two systems, as well as all the other systems in 09300033.doc 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 the state, would remain as it is today. House Bill 2527 also gives the State Librarian the ability to address failing library systems. There are no opponents to this legislation. I ask for a favorable vote.”

Speaker Hannig: “Is there any discussion? Representative Mulligan.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Library System?”

“The Chicago Library System is… currently oversees the Chicago Public Library which is the satellite libraries throughout the City of Chicago, but there’s also the Library System which provides support to law libraries, colleges, libraries like that, reference libraries in the city. Currently, the funding that comes from the Secretary of State is a 25/75 split, 75 going to the Chicago Public Libraries and 25 staying with the Library System. So, what we’re trying to do is… the Chicago Public Library is looking to break out by itself. Chicago Public Library System would stay as it is and the funding would remain as for both.”

“The money would stay as it is today, so it wouldn’t be less or more.”

“The object is to give the Chicago Public Library which has a budget of a hundred million dollars, three million coming from the Secretary of State, it’s own autonomy. So, the money would come directly to Chicago Public Library instead of going through the Library System. That’s caused some delays in the past which helps adminis… you know, creates some problems sometimes with administrating the library.”

“It’s two separate ones and again, the funding would stay the same as it is.”

“Is there any further discussion? There being none, then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting ‘yes’ and 2 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Jefferson, for what reason do you rise?” 09300033.doc 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanna let the record reflect that on House Bill 2955 my intent was to vote ‘yes’.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Journal will show… so reflect. Representative Winters. Is Representative Winters in the chamber? Representative Wint… we… Do you want us to call House Bill 2537? Okay. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Winters.”

“Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 102 voting ‘yes’, 1 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Wait. Representative Wait, are you prepared on House Bill 1547? Could someone get 09300033.doc 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Representative Wait’s attention. Representative Wait, would you like to call House Bill 1547? Okay. Out of the record. Okay. Mr. Clerk, would you call House… read House Bill 3086.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, could you read House Bill 3589.”

“Third Reading. Representative Kosel, shall we move House Bill 1116? Okay. That Bill’s out of the record. And Representative Saviano, do you wish to move House Bill 2772? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Okay. Then we’ll leave that one on Second. Representative Hoffman on House Bill 1272. Do you want us to move that Bill? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. Yeah, Rep… Representative Steve Davis, do you want us to move House Bill 2265? Representative Steve Davis, 2265? Out of the record. 09300033.doc 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Representative Giles on House Bill 1256. Representative Giles, would you like to move this Bill? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Jakobsson on House Bill 465. Would you like us to move that? Okay. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. And Representative Turner on House Bill 524. Would you like us to move that Bill to Third? Representative Turner. Out of the record. Okay. Representative Brady, would you like us… would you like us to move House Bill 3024? 3024, Representative Brady? Representative Brady. Would you like us to move this Bill from Second to Third? Okay. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative McAuliffe, we have House Bill 2573. Out of the record. Representative Mulligan. Representative Mulligan, we have House Bill 2935. Would you like us to move that to Third? From Second to Third? It’s just from Second to Third. Do you want us to move it? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Stephens on House Bill 3107. From Second to Third, 3107. Out of the record. Representative Wait on House Bill 3117. From Second to Third. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. Representative Wirsing on House Bill 371. You want us to call this? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Okay. Representative Berrios on House Bill 2522. Representative Wirsing, the Chair apologizes. I’m trying to move Bills from Second to Third at this time. Could we come back to your Bill at another time? So, that’s out of the record at the request of the Chair and the Sponsor. So, Representative Berrios on House Bill 2522. Would you like to move that to Third Reading? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Burke. Is Representative Burke in the chambers? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Capparelli. Okay. Out… out of the record. Representative Chapa LaVia in the chamber? House Bill 3141. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. Representative Collins on House Bill 3127. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Currie on Repre… on House Bill 59… 539. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3127.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Steve Davis on House Bill 2313. Would you like us to move that to Third? Out of the record. House Bill 3405, Representative Davis. Representative Davis. Would you read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Delgado on House Bill 3071. Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Dunkin on House Bill 3628. Representative Dunkin, would you like us 09300033.doc 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 to move this to Third? To Third Reading. Third. Roll it. Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Feigenholtz on House Bill 3589. Shall we move that Bill to Third Reading? Oh, excuse me. You’re correct, we already did. Representative Flowers on House Bill 1484. Should we move that to Third, Representative Flowers? You wanna hold that Bill? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Fritchey on House Bill 259, from Second to Third? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Holbrook on House Bill 2273, from Second to Third. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Howard on House Bill 2331, from Second to Third. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300033.doc 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. Representative Jakobsson on House Bill 343. You want us to move the Bill from Second to Third? Representative Jakobsson on House Bill 343. Would you like us to move the Bill to Third. Okay. Out of the record. Representative McGuire on House Bill 2636, from Second to Third. You want us to move the Bill? Okay. Out of the record. Representative McKeon on House Bill 2339, from Second to Third. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Miller… Miller on House Bill 3086. The Gentleman in the chamber? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Molaro on House Bill 1171. Would you like us to move it to Third? Yeah, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Novak. The Gentleman in the chamber? Okay. Representative Osterman. We have House Bill 2356. Would you like us to move it to 09300033.doc 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003 Third? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Phelps. Representative Phelps, the Gentleman in the chamber? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Rita on House Bill 2965. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Slone. We have House Bill 221. Would you like us to move that to Third? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Smith on House Bill 3183. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Washington on House Bill 2344. Would you like us to move that to Third Reading? From Second Reading to Third Reading? Would you like us to move it? Now, we’ll read the Bill then, Mr. Clerk.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Yarbrough on House Bill 3455. You want us to move the Bill? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. Representative Coulson on House Bill 414. Would you like us to move that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Mulligan on House Bill 2975. 2975. Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Boland on House Bill 2456. Would you like us to move that to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Brosnahan on House Bill 1451. Would you like us to move that Bill? No. Out of the record. Representative Currie. Representative Currie. Okay. Representative Davis on House Bill 3671. Representative Davis. Okay. How about Representative Delgado on House Bill 2267. Move it to Third? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Feigenholtz on House Bill 3021. Shall we move that to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Fritchey on House Bill 1150. Would you like us to move that to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2234.” 09300033.doc 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 33rd Legislative Day 3/21/2003

“Third Reading. And Representative Howard on House Bill 2390, from Second to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Jakobsson on House Bill 344. Representative Jakobsson on 344. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Lou Jones on House Bill 3062. 3062. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Joyce on House Bill 3231. Would you like us to move that Bill to Third, Representative? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Lyons, Joe Lyons, on House Bill 44. Would you like us to move that to Third? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third… Third Reading. Representative Miller on House Bill 3543. Would you like that to go to Third? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. And Representative Miller, we also had House Bill 3086. Would you like us to move that to Third? Okay. That’s out of the record. And Representative Molaro on House Bill 1364. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Reitz on House Bill 3078. Representative Reitz. Representative Slone on House Bill 220. Would you like us to move that to Third? Okay. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, would you clarify, what is the status of House Bill 3086?”

“Thank you. The Adjournment Resolution, Mr. Clerk.”

“Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Are there any announcements? Okay. Now, allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, Representative Currie moves that the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, March 25 at the hour of 12 noon. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. It’s adopt… the Motion is adopted and the House stands adjourned.”