Illinois House Floor Debate — March 26, 2003

“The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by Father Michael Cantos of the Saint Andrews Church in Chicago. Father Cantos is the guest of Representative Harry Osterman. The guests in the gallery may wish to rise and join us for the invocation and for the Pledge of Allegiance.”

“We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Bellock.” 09300035.doc 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Ladies and Gentlemen, today we shall be led in the singing of the national anthem by Veya Jones with the America’s Kids after school tutoring program in Centralia. Ms. Jones is the guest of Representative Kurt Granberg.”

“(Singing of the national anthem.)”

“Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representative McKeon is excused today.”

“Mr. Bost.”

“The Clerk shall take the record. There being 117 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. Chair recognizes Representative Connie Howard.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, again, is Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Day in Springfield. My sorority sisters from chapters across the state are again here today to make sure that they learn about who their State Representatives and Senators are and also about the legislation that we sponsor. I’d like my colleagues to please help me to 09300035.doc 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 welcome the women of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated.”

“Mr. Hartke.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I got a point of personal privilege.”

“State your point.”

“It is my privilege today to introduce Ms. Jamie Bolander from Olney, Illinois. Ms. Bolander is… was crowned Miss Illinois Fair Queen on January 21 at the Illinois County Fair Convention. She is… she’s won the competition of 68 other individuals vying for Miss Illinois County Fair Queen. And she’s here today in promoting agriculture on Ag Day here in the State of Illinois at the State Capitol. She will be representing agriculture at all the county fairs all summer long throughout the State of Illinois. Please give Jamie a warm General Assembly welcome.”

“Mr. Watson.”

“State your point.”

“Chair recognizes Mr. Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the chamber. In the gallery today we have with us the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County, Ms. Dorothy Brown and some of her staff. They’re down today, they had a breakfast for the Legislature. We appreciate her.”

“Chair recognizes Mr. Leitch.”

“Mr. Clerk.”

“Mr. Black. Is Mr. Black in the chamber? Where is he? Representative Kosel. Mr. Brady, are you seeking recognition?” 09300035.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“State your point.”

“Mr. Jerry Mitchell. Jerry Mitchell, do you wish to call House Bill 2352? Okay. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. Mr. Schmitz, do you wish to call House Bill 92? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Schmitz.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, 09300035.doc 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Has Representative Younge voted? And has Representative Graham voted? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 117 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Wait. Is Mr. Wait in the Chamber? Mr. Black, did you wish to call House Bill 3488? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Black.”

“Mr. Fritchey.”

“Thank you. Representative, I’m just curious as I’m listening to this. Is there a specific project in mind that we’re trying to go… attract here?”

“And… and I’m not saying this to derail this at all. But, ya know, maybe I’ve listened to you enough over the years that you… tend to grab your attention. You know, being from the city we don’t have to deal with a number of these stand-alone authorities. I guess… why do we need to 09300035.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 create something like this, which really I see as a new taxing body to raise money as opposed… why couldn’t this be done either through a coalition of municipalities or through at a county level or even through the state level, as opposed to creating a new authority, a new layer of government, and a new… a new entity that can go and levy taxes?”

“So this may be one of those cases by creating a new entity is actually a more efficient way to accomplish the goal.” 09300035.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Sounds like a good idea. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting… Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield? Representative Black, I don’t… I mean, this is a big Bill and I’m trying to read it and understand it. Is there… does this authority have the power to tax?”

“Okay. So, the authority has the power to issue bonds. And what would repay the bonds?”

“Okay. I think… that’s what I think I wanted to understand a little bit better. Since these seem to be regional facilities that impact possibly several counties or several municipalities, how would that tax be issued to repay the bonds? Can you just walk through the mechanics of that a little bit?”

“Well, I… I think you’re talking about one ice rink and that may be very well and good right now, but we’re passing a law here for all time. And I’m really just trying to understand the mechanics. So, if a sports facility is being built in an area in the middle of five different municipalities… I mean, it has to be housed somewhere. But if it’s a small enough place that a local tax cannot fully repay the bonds, was it possible that they would have to 09300035.doc 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 try to get additional municipalities or consortium or region or something to do that? Or…”

“So what if… so what if…”

“So what if four of them pass something and one doesn’t? Would that just be part of a finance plan?”

“Okay, thank you.”

“Mr. Holbrook.”

“Thank you, Speaker. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, the sleeping giant for economic development is tourism. And this would just be another tool in an arsenal that we could use to help develop tourism within our state. And I salute Representative Black for bringing this forward rather than dealing in a knee-jerk reaction every time some small municipality wants to create one of these. I think it’s long overdue and I’d ask you to vote ‘aye’ on it.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’, those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 09300035.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 wish? Has Mr. Parke voted? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 82 people voting ‘yes’, 32 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Granberg. Is Mr. Granberg in the chamber? Mr. Novak, did you wish to call House Bill 370? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. House Bill 370.”

“Mr. Novak.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 370 as amended is the… it’s an issue that… well, it’s a burning issue around the State of Illinois, so to speak, but it is a… it’s become a public health issue over the years. We’ve… in years passed we’ve managed to put a Bill on Governor Edgar’s desk, unfortunately, he vetoed the Bill. I have carried this initiative for a good number of years and this time it’s very similar to the one I passed last year out of the House with a pretty substantial majority. However, an Amendment was put on it to exempt the Metro East areas, those counties in Southwestern Illinois that fall under the EPA’s rules as nonattainment as far as air quality is concerned. The Bill directly focuses its responsibility to the Pollution Control Board to promulgate rules and regulations including fines for people that do open burning, banning leaf burning and things like that. There’s a… In the northeastern area of Illinois in the Cook County and in the collar counties, most of which by 09300035.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 zip code fall under the nonattainment areas. Not every collar county in its entirery… in its entirety falls under the nonattainment rules where individuals in automobiles or individuals that own automobiles and trucks, for that matter, have to have their vehicles tested for vehicle emissions. There’s an exemption for farmers for open burning. There’s an exemption for firefighters for using dilapidated homes for training purposes. So, I’ll be more than happy to entertain any questions. It’s become a very, very big, public health issue. If you live in the northeastern part of Illinois realize that a lot of communities that have grown over the years have swallowed up areas and now are contiguous to other communities that, let’s say, for example prohibit leaf burning and then a new subdivision comes along right next to the community and grows and continues to grow and then it incorporates but then it contin… then it allows its people to do leaf burning. And when the fall comes and these communities are so contiguous to each other, one community burns, the other one doesn’t allow it, the smoke Wafts entirely through the other communities disrupting young children that have asthma and the elderly people that have respiratory illnesses. So, I’d be more than happy to entertain any questions and I wish for your support. Thank you.”

“Mr. Black.”

“Sponsor yields.” 09300035.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Yes, I know most of it is, Mr. Black, but talking to the chairman of the committee, it was their wishes there is some… there was an opt out provision in this Bill. This is a very modest Bill.”

“Let me just… let me just explain. If this Bill becomes law, a mayor of a community in a nonattainment area and the city council still have the right to pass an ordinance to opt out of this law. Ya know, so…

“No.”

“Mr. Lang.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of Mr. Novak’s legislation. In the early ‘90s I was the Chief Sponsor of a very similar Bill when it passed which, as Mr. Novak said, was vetoed by Governor Edgar. That particular Bill was a real study in grassroots politics. People from all over the state whose children were affected with smoke in the air, children that has asthma, some who had children who unfortunately had passed away due to asthmatic 09300035.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 situations that were made worse by leaf burning, came to me and we did a very good job working the floor. Unfortunately, Governor Edgar at that time made a serious error in vetoing the Bill. This is an important environmental Bill and I would urge your support.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’, those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Has Mr. Bradley voted? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 91 people voting ‘yes’, 25 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Washington, did you wish to call House Bill 277? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman. House Bill 277 is a Bill… the genesis of the Bill was created by myself along with the Woodstock Institute. It is the original first piece of legislation that I was able to attempt to deal with since I’ve been here. This Bill is developed around the CRA investment policy, which is the Community Reinvestment Act. The following organizations to date have already adopted it in Lake County. The policy’s been adopted by the City of North Chicago Community College of Lake County, the Lake County Community Action Program, the North Shore Sanitation District, Lake County and Waukegan 09300035.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Township. And I’m proud to say it’s also several other states including: New York, Louisiana, Massachusetts and Nebraska. This is a win-win Bill. It does not require any additional reporting responsibility for financial institutions and is therefore not a regulatory burden. House Bill 277 reinforces community reinvestment by financial institution without substantially adding to the responsibility of state agencies. And basically what I just said, is that this Bill says to the taxpayers of Illinois that all of us here are gonna work to make sure there’s an even playing field and everybody in the state pays taxes, I hope, and everybody should benefit evenly for paying those taxes and that communities who find themselves financially neglected should not be done so. The bank has an obligation to make sure that communities throughout the state benefit evenly by the taxpayers money that we put in the taxpayers’ coffers. So, that’s the genesis and the essence of the Bill. And I ask for due consideration of support by my colleagues for 277.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. There being no discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’, those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 112 people voting ‘yes’, 2 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Resolution 134. House Resolution 134. 09300035.doc 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Mr. Clerk. Mr… Mr. Joe Dunn. Mr. Dunn, the Clerk advises that the Resolution has already been adopted, but Mr. Dunn you can speak to the Resolution. Mr. Dunn.”

“State your point.”

Speaker Madigan: “Representative Kosel. Is Representative Kosel in the chamber? Did you wish to move House Bill 2104? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the Bill? 2104.”

“Representative Kosel.”

Speaker Madigan: “The Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Those in favor say ‘aye’; those opposed say ‘no’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Is Mr. Wait in the chamber? Mr. Wait. Mr. Dunkin. Is Mr. Dunkin in the chamber? Mr. Dunkin, did you wish to move House Bill 3429? 3429. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to move the Bill. Mr. Flider, did you wish to move House Bill 3048? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the Bill?”

Speaker Madigan: “Third Reading. Representative Flowers. Representative Flowers. Mr. Franks, did you wish to move House Bill 209? The Gentleman indicated he does not wish to move the Bill. Is Mr. Granberg in the chamber? Representative Kelly on 1415. Lady indicates she does not wish to move the Bill. Mr. Lang, 89? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to move the Bill. Representative Ryg, on House Bill 3061. Did you wish to move the Bill? The Lady indicates she does not wish to move the Bill. Representative Yarbrough, did you wish to move House Bill 1352? 1352. Mr. Clerk, is there an Amendment? Has it been approved by the Rules Committee? Okay. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the Bill?” 09300035.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Yarbrough.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly. This Amendment to 1352 says we’re inserting the following after transactions, ‘while recognizing the need for mixed-income housing.’ And we’re also inserting that this will ‘prohibit the consideration of source of income in connection with any housing development project where 25 percent or more of the units either (i) are owned by public housing authority or (ii) receive rental subsidies authorized under Section 8 of the United States Housing Act of 1937 or other local, state or federal rent subsidies or benefits.' I’ve been working with some of the folks from the south suburbs who wanted me to try to limit the percentages of Section 8 Housing and so that’s why we put this Amendment in. And I’m open for any questions. Thank you.”

“Mr. Parke.”

“Sponsor yields.”

“Pardon me? No, this…”

“…the Bill 1352 is going to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act.”

“The realtors are opposed to this Bill because they don’t see it as… they think that the landlords are going to be required to rent to people with Section 8 vouchers. My Bill is about discrimination against people who have vouchers or any other form of payment aside from cash.”

“Representative Mulligan.”

“Sponsor yields.”

“Pardon me?”

“Who would take the complaints…”

“…about discrimination? I guess it would be the… since this is amending the Illinois Human Rights Act, I guess that’s who would take the complaints.”

“Ya know, I’m having trouble hearing you.”

“Yes, it is. This… I’m presenting the Amendment today, this is not the Bill.”

“The Amendment just covers in areas when people have more than 25 percent of Section 8 Housing they would be excluded from this Bill.”

“One of the areas would be the southern suburbs, the western suburbs, even the City of Chicago would be included.”

“Everyone.”

“Anybody who has over 25 percent of Section 8 Housing or housing choice vouchers, anybody who has more than 25 percent would be excepted.”

“On the Amendment, the question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. The question is on the Amendment. Those for the Amendment vote ‘yes’; those 09300035.doc 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 opposed to the Amendment vote ‘no’. Mr. Parke. Mr. Parke.”

“You had been speaking in opposition to the Amendment…”

“…which lead me to believe…”

“Okay. Well, we’re into it…”

“…we’re into the Roll Call now. Question is on the adoption of the Amendments. Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 76 ‘ayes’, 36 ‘noes’. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?”

“The Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Younge. Wyvetter Younge, did you wish to move House Bill 2598? 2598. Lady indicates she does not wish to move the Bill. Is Mr. Wait in the chamber? Mr. Granberg. Representative Flowers. Representative Eileen Lyons. Chair recognizes Representative Yarbrough. Representative Yarbrough, are you seeking recognition?”

“Yes. Point of personal privilege.” 09300035.doc 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“State your point.”

“Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, I’d like to draw your attention to our State President from the NAACP, Mr. Cleveland Jefferson, right above my head. Would you give him a welcome.”

“Representative Munson.”

“State your point.”

“Mr. Hartke in the Chair.”

“On second priority on page 36 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 1373. Representative Lyons. Eileen Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1373 merely codifies the Supreme Court ruling in regarding depositions in criminal cases. This has passed out of this chamber over two years ago with overwhelming support and I would ask that it would… your support again. Thank you.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 1373? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1373?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The 09300035.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 30 on the Calendar… excuse me, on page 34 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 548. Representative Berrios. Representative Berrios. Out of the record. Representative Brauer, for which reason… what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

“Welcome to Springfield on Ag Day, your State Capital. On page 8 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2890. Representative Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Brunsvold.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Department of Agriculture certifies scales around the state to make sure the weights 09300035.doc 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 and the measures are correct. Just as you would buy a gallon of gas, you see a sticker on the pump that guarantees that you… if you buy a gallon of gas you get a gallon of gas. Right now there’s no teeth in the law that says that the department can stop someone from weighing things if they don’t pay their fees, the fee for certifying the scale. And those fees run like up to fifty pounds like twelve dollars, fifty-one pounds to two thousand, twenty- five dollars and over two thousand pounds is a hundred and twenty-one dollars, those fees are set by rule. And this Bill does not set any fees, it simply says the department can actually shut down the scales if the people don’t pay their fees. The next fee increase by rule is done in 2004. And I would ask for your support in the passage of House Bill 2890.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2890? Seeing no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2890?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting ‘yes’, 13 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 36 of the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 1182. Representative Collins. Representative Collins. Out of the record. On page 39 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 3620. 09300035.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Representative Dunkin. Mr. Dunkin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Dunkin.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes. This Bill simply requires that if you have an open meeting for a school board and if someone or that public body makes a recording that it’s made available for the public to review it.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3620?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 96 Members voting ‘yes’, 21 Members voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ’present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 39 on the Calendar appears House Bill 3589. Representative Feigenholtz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Representative Feigenholtz. Representative Feigenholtz.”

“Thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3589 creates the Stem Cell Research Act. Many of you know that the Federal Government has made some 09300035.doc 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 decisions about funding for stem cell research and how they feel about it and is a… Recently, the State of California has drafted law stipulating their state policy permitting and promoting research involving human embryonic stem cells. This Bill is modeled after that, so that we can try and get private funding for research back in the State of Illinois. Right now, California is the only state that is applying for that money ‘cause they’re the only state who can. As many of you know, there are volumes of research and volumes of work that have been done on life-saving efforts regarding stem cells. And I believe that the State of Illinois should also try and attract private money for these efforts. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Parke, the Gentleman from Cook.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“I’m sorry.”

“I’m not sure to what extent they do, if they do at all, Representative.”

“I don’t believe so.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“Thank you. Representative, as I understand it, Federal Law prohibits any kind of stem cell research that could lead to cloning of a live, human being. Isn’t that correct?”

“I’m sorry. There’s nothing about cloning or permitting cloning in this Bill.”

“Well, but as I understood the previous speaker, they’re concerned about creating live, human beings. Is that correct?” 09300035.doc 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“There’s… this Bill does not authorize or at all even allude, merely allude to the fact that we should be clo… doing human cloning.”

“All right, thank you. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, putting politics aside and all kinds of red herrings, I think we have to recognize science. I think we have to recognize that some of the stem cell research that has been done in this country has been startling. Stem cell research can save lives, it can cure disease, we can do a lot of good for the citizens of our state and of our country. My family has had some experience with stem cell issues and I can tell you that this is a Bill we need to pass. Illinois needs to be in the forefront in America at making a statement that when scientists can provide us a major breakthrough that can save lives, particularly at a time that we all talk about in our reelection brochures how important health care is to us, I think it would be a serious mistake to not support Representative Feigenholtz in this Bill. I think it’s a very important piece of legislation and I urge your ‘aye’ votes.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Reitz.”

“Thank you Mr. Spon… Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.” 09300035.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Sara, we… I’ve been trying… I had a Bill on human cloning, to tr… to ban human cloning, we were working on that for a number of years. Last year we spent quite a bit of time in trying to make sure that we… that we address the concerns of the research that’s going on, try to make sure that we took care of those and we weren’t able to accommodate everyone on those. We want to make sure that we don’t impede research that’s going to help in diabetes and Alzheimer’s or the other afflictions that are out there. But, have you… in your Bill, does it include any language that will ban the cloning of a human being?”

“No, there’s no specific language. But it is certainly not the intent of the Sponsor of this Bill or the proponents of this Bill to endorse human cloning, Representative Reitz.”

“Okay, would… would… as this moves through the process or in the Senate, would you be able to accommodate that? Maybe find some language and could put that in… put that in to make sure that we do not clone a human being with this. And unfortunately… we’ve… ya know, we’ve already seen the effects across the waters that we have problems with that.”

“Representative, honestly, I think that, you know, you have a Bill that articulates exactly what you’re talking about that’s moving through the process. And I certainly really want this to have… this Bill to have… it’s something that you and I can talk about when I’m done debating it. I… I need to think about whether or not I 09300035.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 want to put an Amendment on this Bill in the Senate. But on…”

“Okay.”

“…but on the record, and for legislative intent, I’d like to say that it is not my intent or the intent of the author of this Bill.”

“Right.”

“People who have an interest, as Representative Lang articulated, in extending the lives in the people they love, or wishing that they could have extended the lives of people that they loved, and… and be able to access as much research that can be applied to extending those lives. So, as far as adding any language to the spirit of this Bill, it’s something that I would have to think about and… But I am certainly not supportive of human cloning and that is not the intent of this Bill.”

“Okay, appreciate that. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“I appreciate the intent, ya know, and we… we definitely don’t want to impede any type of research to… to help with the afflictions that we have out there and the concerns that we have and… and they do tremendous things in the research area. I will oppose this Bill basically because I… I don’t think it closes the door enough to make sure that aborted fetuses aren’t included in this. And then I… and so I’ll respectfully ask people to vote ‘no’ on this. But I appreciate working with the Sponsor and if we can do… accommodate that, I’d appreciate it. Thank you.” 09300035.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan, a Lady from Cook.”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“No, there is not.”

“Right. Current law does not, Rosemary. The… but this… this provision in Section 15 does.”

“Correct. That’s right.”

“Correct.”

“I… I’m sorry, what?”

“It is not.”

“Yes.”

“Yes.”

“Correct. And as you know, Representative Mulligan, we’ve been spending every Thursday morning listening to agencies and the problems that they are having and we spend… with dollars. And the simple fact that we, by virtue of what happened at the federal level, are unable to even consider attracting those private dollars that could be moving science along in the State of Illinois is problematic, which is why we should do this.”

“Correct.”

“Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Feigenholtz to close.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think that this Bill… we’ve heard some very interesting comments about this Bill, but I think we need to think about the economics of what’s going on in the State of Illinois. We spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to get federal match, and we should also spend a lot of time trying to attract private dollars so that Illinois can be on the cutting edge of science and we could treat people appropriately with research that’s available. And so I ask you all for an ‘aye’ vote on this very important Bill.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3589?’ All those in favor… signify by voting ‘aye’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted 09300035.doc 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Scully. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 60 Members voting ‘aye’, 56 Members voting ‘no’, 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Moffitt, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

Speaker Hartke: “Welcome back to the General Assembly, Representative. Representative Eddy, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

Speaker Hartke: “Welcome to Springfield, Illinois. Representative Collins, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise a point of recognition. We have students from Marshall High School in the audience. Could you all stand. They’re from the Chicago Ag School, as well.”

“Welcome to…”

“Thank you all for coming out.”

“Welcome to your State Capitol. We’re proud to have here. Representative Parke, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

“So noted. On page 35 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 548. Representative Berrios. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Berrios.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 548 amends the Illinois Pesticide Act to allow prosecution of retailers and wholesalers who insist on selling or distributing illegal pesticides or insecticides, such as, ‘Chinese chalk’ and methyl parathion, two very poisonous chemicals that affect the nervous systems of children in particular and can cause death. The Bill calls… sorry. The Bill calls for, in the case of a retailer, a Class A misdemeanor for the first time offender and a Class 4 felony for a second or subsequent violation. In the case of the wholesaler, the Bill calls for the imposition of a Class IV felony for the first offense and a Class III felony for second or subsequent offense. I’m open to any questions and I’d ask for your support on this Bill.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Actually, ServiceMaster did object, but they objected to the first draft of this, now that it’s been amended they don’t object to it at all.”

“Yes.”

“There is no opposition.”

“Thank you.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one else is seeking recognition, Representative Berrios to close.”

“This Bill will help the children in the community and I’d ask for an ‘aye’ vote. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 548?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 36 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 1400. Mr. Fritchey. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Speaker. House Bill 1400 creates the Civil No Contact Order. What this does essentially is expand the purview of protections for an individual who is a victim of sexual assault and gives them a civil remedy 09300035.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 against the perpetrator. There is no opposition to this Bill and I request an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 1400? Representative Parke. He declines recognition. Since no one else is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1400?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr… Have all voted who wish? Representative Yarbrough. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 37 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2329. Representative Graham. Representative Graham. Out of the record. On page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1088. Representative Jefferson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Jefferson.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All this Bill does is take the court reporters out of the Supreme Court judges’ office and puts ‘em in control of the judges of the Circuit Court Office. It’s a pretty simple Bill and all we’re doing is just making sure that Supreme Court judges don’t 09300035.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 have any say in this that they would come under the jurisdiction of the circuit judges. It’s a good Bill and I would encourage an ‘aye’ vote. I would…”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I originally presented this in committee and I wanna thank our colleagues in the House who worked with us to make this a better Bill, Representative Parke, particularly for adding… becoming a cosponsor in committee, as well as Representative Tenhouse and McAuliffe. This is a Bill that the courts want and it makes sense. And I’d urge everyone to vote ‘aye’. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Daniels.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Jefferson to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a good Bill. I would urge everyone to support this Bill. It’s going to do the things we need it to do. I would encourage an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1088?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all 09300035.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 1 person voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Let’s back up. On page 37, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2329. Representative Graham. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Graham.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2339… 29 is a shell Bill to increase the MAP grant. We don’t know what the budget is gonna be, but I’d like to keep the process open and keep this issue alive. So, I’d like for your support to send this Bill to the Senate.”

Speaker Hartke: “Is there any discussion? Representative Parke.”

“We don’t know the cost, like I said, this Bill has been shelled so that we can keep the… this Bill alive. We will determine after we see the budget what the increase will be.”

“It’s been shelled.”

“Yes.”

“To the Bill.” Parke: ”Okay. I do have a question first, though, with the Clerk. Has Amendment #1 been adopted?”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2329?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 80 Members… 79 Members voting ‘yes’, 19 Members voting ‘no’, 19 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1272. Mr. Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Out of the record. On page 35 on the Calendar 09300035.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 appears House Bill 386. Representative Novak. Out of the record. On page 36, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1195. Representative O’Brien. Out of the record. On page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1251. Representative Slone. Representative Slone. Out of the record. On page 34, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 318. Representative Yarbrough. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Yarbrough.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly. House Bill 318 creates the Display of Tobacco Products Act. It requires that all tobacco products must be displayed behind the sales or service counter. The purpose of the Act is to insure that children do not have access to these problems without the assistance of retail establishment. A violation would be not less than a hundred dollars and no more than one thousand dollars. We adopted a Floor Amendment to address some of the concerns of the retail merchants. And I’m open for any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Black, the Gentleman from Vermilion. Representative Black.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Everybody in here knows how I feel about smoking, you know how I feel about tobacco, they know how I feel about tobacco and kids. With all due deference to the 09300035.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 previous speaker, this isn’t about big business and small business, it doesn’t matter if you come from the city or the suburbs or a rural area. Listen, a block from my house I’ve got a mom and pop store, down on the next street I got another little store. When you walk in the door here you don’t check your common sense at the door you bring it with you when you sit down. I’d like all of you to think about the little stores you have in your neighborhood, they all have the ability to put tobacco products behind the counter. This isn’t about banning the sale of cigarettes, this isn’t about making life tough for small business, this isn’t about whether this state is pro-business or anti-business, it really has nothing to do with how you feel about the ultimate issue of smoking. This is simply doing a very simply and reasonable thing, you’re gonna sell cigarettes put ‘em behind the counter. Kids will take cigarettes, we know that. Restricting access to the tobacco products, making it harder for them to get their hands on it, making it harder for them to… refraining from having their… in their face will reduce kids from smoking. Folks, I gave you some of the stats on this last time and I won’t belabor the point again. We’re talking about a product that is more addictive than marijuana, that is more addictive than cocaine, that is more addictive than alcohol. Kids start smoking, a third of them will become regular smokers, a third of them will die. That’s fact, that’s not debatable, that’s not conjecture, that’s not rhetoric. You wanna keep them from smoking. Kid takes a 09300035.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 pack of cigarettes, that first cigarette could lead to a lifetime of smoking, that could lead to a lifetime that’s cut short by smoking. This isn’t about putting small stores out of business, this isn’t about putting an unreasonable restraint on them, it’s about putting sto… the cigarettes behind the counter. Again, picture your neighborhood, picture your neighborhood stores, I don’t have stores that I know that don’t have counters, I don’t care if you’re talking about a big store or a little store. The small little store front grocery store in my neighborhood they’ve got counters, I go to pay, I go to the cash register that’s at the counter. All we’re saying, take the cigarettes from in front of the counter put it behind the counter. Please people, ya know, no red herrings here, no misdirections, this Bill is about one simple thing, take the cigarettes from the front put ‘em to the back. It’s not a city Bill, it’s not a country Bill, it’s not a rural Bill, a suburban Bill, it’s not a big business/small business issue, it’s about protecting our kids in a very reasonable way without impacting business, without having a negative impact. Nobody’s bottomline is going to be affected by this Bill. We’re asking them to be more responsible in how they display their products. Ya know, you don’t have guns out on a rack, you don’t put cigarettes out on a rack. Take the cigarettes and put ‘em away. Please vote ‘yes’. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Washington.” 09300035.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“To the Bill, Mr. Speaker.”

“To the Bill.”

“I rise to support this Bill, but I wanted in deference to my very capable senior colleague, Representative Black, I guess in this… with this Bill it’s like beauty that’s in the eye of the beholder. Two people can be looking at the same thing and see it a little different, but I respect his opinion. But I know, in my neighborhood the way I was reared up and the way I saw, I think this Bill is about accessibility. And though my colleague spoke of it being a legal product, but there’s one word that I would think that he want to add with it, it’s a legal, lethal product to the user. And I think, just like you would be in a gun display situation if you were in a gun store, they don’t have the guns where you can reach up, touch ‘em, grab ‘em, play with ‘em, you have to be a certain age based on the retailer assuming that you can even handle a gun. So, I think that with this particular Bill it addresses access and I don’t think tobacco, like a gun, is lethal and we don’t want young people to have access or be tempted to wanna take something that may harm them. So, I stand and rise in support of this Bill. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Froehlich.”

“To the Bill.” 09300035.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black, again.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Kelly.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“I just wanted to make the comment that I was raised in a mom and pop grocery store and my grandparents and my father who took over after kept all the cigarettes behind the counter and all adults had to ask them for the cigarettes that they wanted to buy. So, I stand in support of this Bill and I also stand in support of the comments made by Representative Fritchey.” 09300035.doc 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Biggins.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“I’m sorry?”

“No.”

“No.”

“Representative, cigarettes are age restrictive, I don’t think candy and gum and other products like that are.”

“Representative…”

“Representative, does that mean you’re…”

“Further discussion?”

“…against my Bill?”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Speaker.”

“Please be brief.”

“As my name was used in debate I’d like to address what’s going on here. We’ve got some intelligent people on both sides of this Bill and we have people that I think are very sincere in their comments on both sides of this Bill. Again, this is more a commonsense issue than anything else. The previous speaker to try to talk about this issue akin to having candy out there for kids and obesity being a killer of children. I mean, folks, with all due respect, this is an issue that is, I mean, it’s silly and it shows you the lengths that they’re gonna go to to try to oppose this. Candy is not killing kids, candy is not age restricted, you don’t have to be 18. We’re not telling people how to run their businesses. The Gentleman from 09300035.doc 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Vermilion would have you think that this Bill, which is a very straightforward and simple Bill, is gonna unravel the fabric of American business as we know it and that’s not the case. We’re not telling people how to set up their store, we’re not telling them what they can and can’t sell. What we’re saying is you have a product that children are not allowed to legally buy that you shouldn’t be selling to kids. We know that children take tobacco products from stores. Is this Bill gonna stop that practice? It may not stop it, I’ll tell you what, it’s sure as hell gonna make it a lot harder for it to happen. If these products are behind the counters, the kids are not gonna get to it. Folks, this is not about whether you’re pro-business or anti-business, this isn’t about whether you’re for big stores or mom and pop stores. We’re not gonna drive all the local businesses out of your community and have them replaced by Wal-Mart, that’s not what this does. You heard from the other speaker, she grew up in a mom and pop store, she knows that this can be done. Again, you all have these little stores, use common sense, don’t… if you’re against the Bill, you’re against the Bill and I understand that and as I said, I respect the opinions of people on both sides, but don’t be against this Bill and hide behind some convoluted excuse. Don’t say, gee, I voted against this Bill because I’m in favor of small business, that’s not what this is about. Don’t say that you are against the Bill because we’re gonna regulate every aspect of business, again, not what this does. Do you want to make it harder 09300035.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 for kids to have access to a product that they are not legally entitled to purchase or have? Forget about how you feel about the underlying issue of smoking, whatever the product is, this is age restricted. We put a lot of exemptions in here so we don’t hurt small business. You heard Representative Froehlich say that the retail merchants are neutral here. We’re not gonna hurt anybody. The retail merchants are a very strong, powerful, vocal advocates for their members. They’re not gonna be neutral on a Bill that hurts their members. And that’s probably the most telling proposition that’s come up here of all. You have the Representatives telling you that this is bad for business, but the group that is out here on behalf of business, it’s their job, they exist to protect their members, they’re saying, ya know what, we’re neutral because this Bill, as drafted, it’s not unreasonable, it’s not an unreasonable imposition on our members, it doesn’t hurt us. If the retail merchants say it’s okay or that it’s not gonna hurt them, don’t be bough… swayed by the arguments of somebody else telling you that they know better than the industry knows itself. This is not an anti-industry Bill, it’s not a anti-tobacco Bill, it’s not an anti-small business Bill, it’s let’s try to keep this product away from kids. Plain and simple.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Yarbrough to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle for the spirited 09300035.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 debate on this Bill. Ninety percent of the stores across this state already comply with what we’re trying to do today. Ninety percent of all smokers start as early as 12 years old and shoplifting cigarettes is how they get this legal but lethal product. Banning these self-service displays will not eliminate youth tobacco use, but it’s an excellent step towards reducing it. It’s time to close this loophole that allows children such easy access to tobacco. And I urge a favorable vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 318?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please vote your switches. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Representative Molaro. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 68 Members voting ‘yes’, 45 Members voting ‘no’, 3 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Jones. Lou Jones, are you seeking recognition? Okay. She declines recognition. On page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1195. Representative O’Brien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative O’Brien.” 09300035.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 1195? Chair recognizes Representative Bost.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Bellock.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Pankau, the Lady from DuPage.”

“Sponsor yields.”

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Hassert.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative McGuire.”

“Excuse me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just rise to ask the Body to vote ‘aye’ on this Bill. As you can see on the Bill, it’s a bipartisan Bill. And as the brother of a former, no longer employed battalion chief in the Joliet Fire Department, I heartily recommend your ‘aye’ vote. And thank you very much.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative O’Brien to close.’

“The ques…”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1195?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 89 Members voting ‘yes’, 21 Members voting ‘no’, and 7 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Molaro, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Well, thank you, for all the applause, but… I… I was act…” 09300035.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“I might remind the Members in the gallery that demonstrations are not allowed in the Illinois House.”

“Act… actually, I was rising to… I walked off the floor at a very inappropriate time and I’d like the Journal to reflect that had I been attentive, been in my seat, I would’ve voted ‘yes’ on House Bill 318.”

“The Journal will so reflect your wishes. On page 37 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2216. Representative Smith. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Continuing on the order of firefighter issues, this is the pension issue which I have been working with the Associated Firefighters of Illinois on regarding some enhanced benefits for surviving spouses and children of firefighters. These issues are currently in negotiation with the Municipal League, as well. We feel it’s important, however, that this legislation continue on in this Session. The provisions of this Bill particularly would provide for a annuity for surviving spouses of firefighters of 100 percent of the salary of the firefighter or 100 percent of the annuity. This would bring firefighters into parity with police officers in the state. It would also provide for an annual 3 percent 09300035.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 compounding or COLA for surviving spouses and for children of firefighters. With that I think, Mr. Speaker, I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2216? Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan.”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“I’m sorry, Representative Mulligan, could you repeat that, regarding current…”

“Yes. Would you like us to add your name?”

“That is correct, yes.”

“I don’t have that number, Representative Mulligan…”

“…300, I think…”

“…that’s probably low.” 09300035.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Yes, Representative Mulligan, they would be eligible for the COLA, the 3 percent annual cost of living allowance would apply to all surviving spouse annuities.”

“That is correct. Right.”

“That is correct. Right.”

“No, under this legislation it would be a hundred per… it would be the same.”

“A hundred percent of the… of the firefighter’s annuity, right.”

“I’m sorry, could you repeat that?” 09300035.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“That is correct. Right.”

“That’s the current system.”

“Right.”

“With 20 years you’d have to be age 55.”

“They… they would still be eligible.”

“Yes.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Smith to close.”

“Just to clarify, Representative Mulligan, on the last point, the spouses would be eligible automatically, not at age 55. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. I would ask for a favorable vote. This is important pension legislation 09300035.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 for the firefighters in the downstate firefighter pension systems. This is for surviving spouses and children of firefighters. This brings parity to them with what police have currently. This… by passing this legislation today we will encourage the negotiations to continue between the Associated Firefighters and the Municipal League. And I’d ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2216?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 2 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Rose, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

“Welcome to the General Assembly. Page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1251. Representative Slone. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300035.doc 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1251 is an initiative of the Illinois Municipal League and the various county organizations. It would expand the power of municipalities that with the agreement of their relevant county would exercise their zoning powers beyond the municipal boundaries. This is similar to an agreement that we already have that is currently limited to Peoria County and functions between the City of Peoria and Peoria County very successfully. Other counties are interested in doing this. The Bill would change the population limits to permit that. And I would ask for your ‘aye’ votes.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Giles.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I simply rise to say on House Bill 1195 I want to be recorded as a ‘present’ vote if the record could reflect so.”

“The Journal will reflect your wishes. Is there further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Black. Mr. Black. Good morning.”

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“Mr. Black, my understanding is that if… excuse me, if the… if the municipality has a zoning ordinance and the county has a zoning ordinance this could apply.”

“The… the coun… both the county board and the governing body of the municipality would have to adopt this agreement, this would be pursuant only to an 09300035.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 intergovernmental agreement between the two local governments.”

“I’m not sure if that addresses your question.”

“Maybe, but this Bill would not have any effect on that. This would only address an intergovernmental agreement between a municipality and its county.”

“I’m sure you can, but this doesn’t address that situation.”

“I don’t believe so, Mr. Black. What the Bill does in terms of what it literally, physically does to the statute is to simply remove the limitation on population size that 09300035.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 currently confines the availability of the section to Peoria County so that other counties that are interested in doing this but don’t fall within those population parameters may go ahead and do that. Specifically, I believe there’s an interest in McLean County in adopting a similar law.”

“But they can’t do that in McLean County currently because they don’t fall within these population parameters that are in the existing law.”

“That Amendment has been withdrawn, Mr. Black, and the reason for that is that it was brought to my attention after the committee hearing and I… I had requested and spoken to the townships and asked if they would please put this on in the Senate when there would be an opportunity to discuss it in committee. If it comes back with it from the Senate we’ll concur in it, if we pass the Bill in the first place.”

“We anticipate that that will go on in the Senate, yes.” 09300035.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Slone to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I would not wanna leave the misimpression that the township officials are against this Bill. My understanding with respect to the agreement and the discussions that I had with their lobbyist is that since the Bill… since the Amendments were not presented in committee and were not available to me as the Sponsor in committee that they would address these in committee in the Senate and they did agree to having this withdrawn and presented in the Senate. The Municipal League, the United Counties, the Metro Counties remain in favor of the Bill and we would certainly agree to have the township Amendment on here should it survive the Senate, which is… was pointed out is not always something we can guarantee. I don’t believe there is any opposition to this Bill and I would appreciate your ‘aye’ votes.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1251?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; 09300035.doc 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 88 Members voting ‘yes’, 29 Members voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 34 on the Calendar appears House Bill 300. Representative Mathias. Out of the record. On page 38 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2782. Representative Myers. Representative Myers. Out of the record. On page 33 on the Calendar appears House Bill 93. Representative Schmitz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Schmitz.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 93? Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Representative Schmitz, I see you’ve amended the Bill. I remember when it came to committee and we had some concerns with it. Can you tell us what the Amendment does?”

“So, we’d save taxpayers the $65 fee I presume each time that they pained their vehicle. Correct?”

“With the Amendment has the Secretary of State now gone neutral on this Bill?”

“Okay. Well, I think you’ve…”

“They still are. Okay. Well, I think you’ve done a lot work on this, so thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition. Representative Schmitz to close.” 09300035.doc 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 93?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Novak. Mr. Reitz. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Have all voted who… On page 37 on the Calendar, on Third Reading, appears House Bill 1547. Mr. Wait. Out of the record. On page 33 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 121. Mr. Watson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Wait.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 121? Seeing that no one is seeking… Representative… He’s 09300035.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 declined recognition. The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 121?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 24 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2996. Representative Pihos. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Pihos on Floor Amendment #1.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 2996?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 22 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2772. Representative Saviano. Mr. Saviano. Out of the record. On page 30 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3486. Representative Bailey. Representative Bailey. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Third Reading. On page… Representative Black, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Representative Bailey, your response.”

“No, that was not the agreement, Sir. And if I’m not mistaken, I spoke with Representative Parke on this yesterday.” 09300035.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative, I’ll move it back to Second in order to clear this matter up.”

“Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3486?”

“Move that Bill back to Second Reading to the order… for the purpose of an Amendment at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Slone, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On a point of personal privilege.”

“State your point.”

“I’d like to welcome the St. Mark’s Catholic School from Peoria which is here visiting today. They’re in the gallery, please welcome them to Springfield.”

“Welcome to your State Capital, Springfield, Illinois. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2577? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2577?”

“Place that Bill on the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment at the request of the Sponsor. On page 12 on the Calendar, on Second Reading, 09300035.doc 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 appears House Bill 2215. Representative Brosnahan. Mr. Brosnahan. Out of the record. On page 2 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 9. Representative Capparelli. Out of the record. On page 12 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2265. Representative Davis. Steve Davis. Out of the record. On page 2… On page 7 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1256. Representative Giles. Out of the record. On page 5 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 465. Representative Jakobsson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Jakobsson. Leave that Bill on Second Reading. On page 30 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 242… 3427. Representative Kelly. You have an Amendment to adopt to the Bill. Out of the record. On page 28 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3298. Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Mautino on the Floor Amendment #2.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment 2 deals with creating a new category within the state’s Comprehensive Health Insurance Program. And these… this would impact those who are affected by the Trade Adjustment Act, for example, many of our steel mills. In my case it’s the Hennepin Steel Mill, Representative Mitchell had Northwest Steel and Wire. A lot of those companies which the workers lost their jobs as a result of foreign trade. What this would do is allow the… those employees to be considered federally eligible and they could join in our CHIP Section 15 Program. That basically allows them to come in without any preexisting conditions and also says that if there ar… there is continuation of coverage they may opt out of the COBRA coverage. This is… the Federal Government will then pick up 65 percent of the cost of the premiums for these 10 to 15 thousand Illinois citizens. And also, we will become eligible for about $2 million from the federal pool of funds towards our CHIP Program. That’s what it does. Appreciate your consideration.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognize Representative Black.”

“Sponsor will yield.” 09300035.doc 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“And what you say is correct and in this situation if you are familiar with the CHIP Program and how it works those premiums are structured at about a hundred and thirty-five percent of what the industry average is. So with this, those people who were stuck and had to continue their COBRA coverage may have been paying $315 in premiums, what happened at that point, is those who were young, healthy, could buy coverage somewhere else did. That leaves you a pool that can’t get insurance anywhere else and their premiums went to 12 hundred, 15 hundred, 25 hundred dollars per month.

“Or me.”

“No, it’s…”

“Appreciate that.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 3298?’ All in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 5 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 520. Mr. Miller. Representative Miller. Out of the record. On page 25 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, 09300035.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 appears House Bill 3060. Representative Ryg. Representative Ryg. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Ryg.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to offer an Amendment to House Bill 3060 which covers brain injury coverage. The Amendment would require that the Department of Insurance would conduct an analysis and study of the costs and benefits derived from the implementation of the coverage requirements.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes… Representative Pankau, you care not to address this issue? She declines recognition. Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 3060?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’… saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Representative Myers, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

“Welcome to your State Capitol. On page 13 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2376. Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Yes, Mr. Parke, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Representative Flowers.”

“Thank you, Representative, I’m glad you asked about that Amendment. There was supposed to have been negotiation between the hospital and the nurses association and that fell through.”

“I did…”

“…and now it’s over.”

“No, I did, I did. I made the promise that I would hold the Bill until the negotiation was over. The negotiation is over.”

“Representative, I didn’t say that I would hold the Bill until both sides agreed. I said I would hold the Bill and there will be the negotiations and we have negotiated with the hospital association.”

“Oh, Representative, Representative…”

“…Representative, please…”

“…if you were not in the committee…”

“Representative Flowers.”

Speaker Hartke: “Representative Flowers, would you allow Representative Parke to ask the question and you can answer it.” 09300035.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Flowers.”

“Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. With all due respect to my colleague over here, I am, I will be, I will continue to be a woman of my word and my word was that I will agree to negotiate. There’s no possible way that I would ever say that I will hold my Bill until all parties agree because therefore the party that I’m making this commitment to does not necessarily have to agree and so therefore I could never move my Bill forward. What I did do was promise that I will continue to negotiate, but now I’m not going to allow anyone to just pull the rug from under me because they don’t want to give into… or we don’t want to give in to each other.”

“Representative Parke.”

“Representative Flowers.”

“Mr. Speaker, I said and I will continue to say that I promised that I would negotiate in good faith and that’s exactly what I did.”

“Let me make a suggestion. Representative Flowers, Representative Parke, would you please two get together and decide what to do with this piece of legislation as we move on with… the Bill is on Third Reading at the present time. Mr. Parke.”

“On page 8 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1507. Representative Flowers.” Mr. Clerk read the bill.

“Third Reading. Representative Fritchey, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Mr. Speaker, a point of personal privilege.”

“State your point.” 09300035.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“I’m very happy, along with Representative McCarthy, who has some friends in the gallery, I’m happy to count them as friends and constituents. We have Jack Percival, the principal of St. Andrew’s School, as well as a number of his students. I’d like to welcome them down to Springfield everybody.”

“Welcome to Springfield. On page 12 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2215. Representative Brosnahan. 2215. Out of the record. On page 34 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 300. Representative Mathias. 300.”

“Representative Mathias.”

Speaker Hartke: “Is there any discussion? Representative Parke.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Meyer.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Ryg.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this Bill. This is an initiative out of the e-government study that was completed in terms of a response to customers requests for service over the Internet. Counties have invested significantly in improving the technology that allows them to put records on the Internet. And so, Representative Mathias has included all the provisions that they’ve asked for. The opposition has dropped their position and I think this is a good thing in terms of good customer service from local governments.” 09300035.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Delgado.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Representative, I know the previous speaker just mentioned that the opposition was removed. Can you help clarify from my position the IVI, the Illinois Voters… Independent Voters, are their inquiries satisfied? Are they opposed to this Bill?”

“They are no longer opposed? And this will permit though a fee to be applied for each inquiry?”

“This will require a fee on each inquiry…”

“…our taxpayer will have to pay or has that been removed?”

“So, the individual… so, an individual taxpayer is not payin’ for it.”

“The individual taxpayer… Is this for commercial use?” 09300035.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“This is companies.”

“These are people who have the money who can do this.”

“And it’s not our taxpayer who’s already payin’ their taxes for this who have to pay another fee?”

“So, our constituent does not have to go in and be charged a three or a five dollar fee?”

“Sounds like a good Bill.”

“Thank you, Representative.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking… Representative Sullivan.”

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Mathias to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 300?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please vote your switches. Have all voted who wish? Representative Hoffman. Representative Flowers or Monique Davis. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 75 Members voting ‘yes’, 36 Members voting ‘no’, 4 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Black, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your inquiry.”

“Split the difference.” 09300035.doc 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Yes.”

“Yes, you do.”

“That may be debatable.”

“We’re one equal opportunity. Representative Mendoza.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to clarify that those were two guns pointed in that direction, not one. And they are… this is for everyone in the House. First and foremost, we wanna support our troops, so we thought it’d be nice to have GI Joe. Mine’s a midnight… thank you. Army Ranger, midnight mission. And I don’t… I’m not exactly sure which one. I think hers is a Marine, GI Joe, Marine version. And also, these can be conveniently directed in any direction, as in the Chair if 09300035.doc 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 we adjourn a little bit too late or any other direction we would like. But also at Chapin Rose there who has a Raggedy Ann and Andy Bill, I think, coming soon. So, I know GI Joe’s a little upset about that. But anyway, that’s about it. Representative Black, so if you’re on good behavior you have nothing to worry about.”

“Representative Mulligan, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Representative Rose, do you have a comment on that?”

Speaker Hartke: “He declines recognition. Representative Black, you were not recognized for that remark. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Chair is preparing to move to third priorities. We will be calling Bills on Second Reading, moving those Bills to Third. So, be prepared and as usual we’ll be going down the Calendar alphabetically, the best I can. On page 6 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1208. Representative Acevedo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300035.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Acevedo on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move for adoption of House… Amendment #1 to House Bill 1208. And for any questions I’d like to defer to my colleague, Representative Dan Brady.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Brady.”

“Excuse me, Mr. Brady.”

“Floor Amendment #1.”

“Any discussion on Floor Amendment #1? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 1208?’ All in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Representative Brady on Floor Amendment #2.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #2? Representative Black.”

“Yes, Sir.”

“Yes.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Mr. Brady.”

Speaker Hartke: “Excuse… excuse me, Mr. Brady, Mr. Black. Representative Acevedo, I think the proper verbiage here would be for you to table Amendment #1.”

“Mr. Speaker, I move to table Amendment #1 from House Bill 1208.”

“You’ve heard the Gentleman’s Motion. All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the table… Floor Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?” 09300035.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Brady on Amendment #2.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 1208?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 15 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2522. Representative Berrios. Representative Berrios. Out of the record. On page 3 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 176. Representative Bellock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Bellock on Floor Amendment #1.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 176?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 26 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3113. Representative Boland. Representative Boland. Out of the record. On page 30 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3479. Representative Flider. Representative Flider. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Flider on the Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment simply would change the language of the Bill so that a college which would be prohibited from selling a student’s name or address or telephone number would simply… the language of Amendment #1 would be… would create a change so that the word ‘selling’ would be changed to ‘provide’. So, this language simply would prohibit the community from providing 09300035.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 rather than selling, which was the original intent of the legislation. I’d encourage your support.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 3479?’ All those in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 8 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1484. Representative Flowers. Out of the record. On page 15 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2498. Representative Giles. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 4 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3343. Representative Jakobsson. Out of the record. On page 17 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2636. Representative McGuire. Out of the record. On page 16 on the Calendar… Representative Brauer, for what reason do you seek recognition?” 09300035.doc 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“State your point.”

“Well, happy birthday, Representative Poe. On page 16 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2573. Representative McAuliffe. Out of the record. On page 24 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2935. Representative Mulligan. Representative Mulligan. Out of the record. On page 4 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 310. Representative Mendoza. Susana Mendoza. Out of the record. On page 23 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2779. Representative Novak. Out of the record. On the Order of Second Reading, on page 23, appears House Bill 2816. Representative Phelps. Out of the record. Mr. Novak, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Yes, Mr. Speaker. Are we moving Bills to Third Reading?”

“Yes.”

“Yes. Can… with deference to the Chair, could we go back to 2779 and move it to Third, please?” 09300035.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Yes, Sir.”

“Thank you.”

“On page 23 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2779. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading appears House Bill 310. Representative Mendoza. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Representative Mendoza on Amendment #2. Representative Mendoza on Amendment #2.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 says that upon the request the department shall provide to a third party employer a list of entities registered as day and temporary labor service agencies. The department shall provide on the Internet a list of entities registered as day and temporary labor services. That way people would know which labor agencies are already registered with the state and which ones are not. Thank you.” 09300035.doc 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #2? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 310?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Phelps, did you wanna hear 2816? Out of the record. On page 15 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2489. Representative Rita. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 3 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 221. Representative Slone. Representative Slone. Out of the record. Out of the record. On page 23 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2866. Representative Reitz. Representative Reitz. Out of the record. On third priority, on page 38, on Third Reading, appears House Bill 2450. Representative Bost. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Bost.” 09300035.doc 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2450? Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Yes, Sir.”

“I was not listening to the debate between…”

“Are you confused?”

“Mr. Bost, are you confused?”

“You’re the Sponsor of the Bill, Representative Bost, is that what you care to do?”

“Take this Bill out of the record.”

“You could try. On page 36, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1375. Representative Burke. Representative Burke. Out of the record. On page 34 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 132. Representative Capparelli. Out of the record. On… Let’s go back to page 36, Third Reading, House Bill 1375. Representative Burke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Burke.” 09300035.doc 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Oh, I beg your pardon, Speaker, would you please take this out of the record? I think there is another Amendment.”

“Are you…”

“I’m sorry.”

“…in the state of confusion?”

“I am.”

“Okay.”

“I beg your pardon.”

“Take this Bill out of the record. On page 37 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2311. Representative Feigenholtz. Out of the record. On page 34 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 259. Representative Fritchey. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Speaker. House Bill 259 is one of several measures that we have seen and will see dealing with the issue of identity theft. What a lot of people don’t realize is more often than not when you have issued a credit card fraud it’s not the result of your credit card being stolen or your wallet being stolen as much as somebody getting the information contained on your credit card off a receipt that you may throw away, that you may discard that they may cross… come across some place. All of us have receipts and we’re all cognizant of this fact. 09300035.doc 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 You look at that receipt, it has your full credit card number on there, it has your name, it has the expiration date and it really gives everybody what they need to start off on the path of identity theft. What this Bill does and there’s no objection to the Bill is starting in 2005 it would require retailers to display no more than the last four or five digits of the credit card. It gives the merchants the adequate information that they need. There’s an exemption for small businesses that handwrite out the receipts. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“I’m sorry, Representative, I didn’t hear that.”

“Well, as a matter of fact there was a very significant Amendment to the Bill which came from not just the IBA but from a coalition of financial institutions and with that Amendment, as I said and I meant, I know of no opposition to the Bill including the IBA.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Fritchey to close.” 09300035.doc 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“I request an ‘aye’ vote. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 20… 259?’ All those in favor signify by saying… voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Millner, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

“Welcome to Springfield. On page 38 of the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2450. Representative Bost. Let’s go back there. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Bost.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2450?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’… Representative Mathias. The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2450?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 33 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 13. Representative Coulson. Out of the record. Representative Mathias, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“The Journal will reflect your wishes.”

“On page 33 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 13. Representative Coulson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300035.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Representative Coulson.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 13? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 13?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Granberg. Mr. (sic-Ms.) Graham. Representative Graham. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 1 Member voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On 09300035.doc 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 page 37 on the Calendar appears House Bill 1577. Mr. Mathias. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Clerk… Mr. Mathias. Out of the record. On page 38 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 3058. Representative Pihos. Out… out of the record? Out of the record. On page 39 on the Calendar there appears House Bill 3386. Representative Rose. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Rose.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair represents… recognizes Representative Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Speaker. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the issue of methamphetamine creation and development and sale is a growing one that we’re dealing with in this state. The residue that’s created by the production of this pervades every aspect of a house. It gets on the walls, it gets in the fabrics, it gets in the rugs. It’s a very extensive problem and somebody that subjects a child to that environment is as guilty of child abuse as someone that does any other physical harm to a child. This is a great Bill. Ya know, as we deal with these new issues of drugs, we have to deal with the surrounding issues that arise with them. Ya know, meth is a different animal than some of these other Bills… some of these other drugs because of this very problem. We do have to cognizant of this. I commend the speaker on taking the lead on this thing, as a prosecutor he knows the problems that this can cause. Anybody that cares about cracking down on these issues, anybody that cares about child abuse in any of its forms really needs to come out and support this. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Rose to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3386?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘aye’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Hannig in the Chair.”

“Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 115 for Representative Moffitt.”

“Representative Moffitt.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 115. And on that question, Representative Smith is recognized.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I simply rise in support of this legislation. This is, as Representative Moffitt said, perhaps the crown jewel of our task force from last… from the last General Assembly. This is a program that I think is very much in need. And those of you who have talked to your fire departments, whether they’re municipal or fire protection districts, know about their many needs. And this I think is an excellent 09300035.doc 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 opportunity for us to create a program to help our firefighters who put themselves in harm’s way each and every day for us and for the rest of our constituents. This is an innovative approach to allowing them to create some of… or to purchase some of the equipment that is very difficult for them to do, particularly for the small rural volunteer fire departments that have a hard time generating the necessary revenue to make these major purchases. I am encouraged that just this afternoon the Governor has made some very positive comments about this very program. And I’m hopeful that we can… we can see this come to fruition this Session. I commend Representative Moffitt for his unending dedication to this issue. And I know he’s worked on this particular Bill for a number of years. I’m pleased to be a cosponsor. And I’d ask all the Members to support this legislation.”

“And so now, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 1161.”

“Representative Winters.” 09300035.doc 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 1161. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 93 voting ‘yes’, 19 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Colvin on 1165. Are you ready for that? Representative Colvin. Representative Colvin, are you ready on House Bill 1165? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Colvin.” 09300035.doc 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1165 will in effect create a new commission. The commission will be entitled the Computer Equipment Disposal and Recycling Commission. And what the intent of the Bill is and what it’s intended to do is to create a commission to deal with disposal… the proper disposal of personal computers once they’ve run through their use life. Personal computers right now have a number of contaminants if not disposed properly, such as mercury and lead and hard plastic, which if not disposed of properly can cause serious problems to the environment when they fill up in different landfills around the state. I’d appreciate an ‘aye’ vote and I’ll take any questions.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 1165. And on that question, Representative Meyer.”

“He indicates he will yield.”

“There is no cost associated with the actual creation of the commission, the only cost that we may incur is if the commission members met and had to travel. So, at anything less than normal or routine expenses would be the only cost associated with the commission.”

“What they… what we hope to accomplish here is that the commission members or the committee members will come up with a comprehensive plan for the proper disposal of computers that have run their use life, so that they don’t end up in landfills with exposed lead and mercury and hard plastic. It’s really an environmental friendly type of Bill as it relates to the proper disposal of a lot of harmful chemicals and elements that could end up in waterways and landfills. So, at this point, the… one of the biggest states that’s doing it right now is the State of California. They have recognized the problem with old computers and how they end up in landfills with exposed lead and mercury being the two chief contaminants in landfills that can cause a serious problem.”

“Well, I don’t know for a fact if it’s a question of whether or not automobiles and I’m sure how you dispose of a used automobile has different significance, as well. I would imagine that at some point the recommendations and it’s important that I point out that this commission when we make recommendations in terms of how you dispose of these equipment, in fact, would probably give people with 09300035.doc 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 used cameras some indication of how those items will also have to be disposed that have made… maybe have lead. So, it could be a situation where we learn how to dispose of other elements or other electronic equipment that has some of these same elements, not just personal computers.”

“Could you…”

“I can’t hear you.”

“Actually, this Bill was… the reason I brought this Bill forth is because it has caused problems in other places where they have dealt with it. The State of California, the State of Georgia and they have done exactly the same thing as a result of computers being in landfills where you have exposed mercury, exposed lead and they have high count… and some of these products have high concentrations, particularly computers that were manufactured prior to the year of 1990. So, it is a big problem, especially when you take into account that just about every household in the country now and different 09300035.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 businesses and governments will throw out thousands and thousands of computers in a year. So, the problem it’s not a question of why did I just pick out this one single element, the problem is we’re talking about thousands upon thousands of different people who throw out computers, governments throw out thousands of computers a year. So, it’s not like people are throwing out tens of thousands of cameras where the problem would be so great, but the problem with personal computers is they become so prolific in our society that over time it will create such a large problem.”

“No, this would deal with any personal computer or computer… or computer… manufactured computer component that ends up being tossed out into the trash and how it’s properly disposed of so that we limit the exposure of lead and mercury and other harmful elements.”

“The essence of me… of what I said relative to 1990 is that the levels of lead and mercury in computers manufactured prior to 1990 are far greater than what they use in computers today. However, those elements are still being used in the manufacture… manufacturing of personal computers, hard drives and other computer components.” 09300035.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Well, I think of all the com… of all the different electronic elements that you just named, I think there’s probably far greater number of computers than all of the rest of those elements put together, number one. Number two, if those elements exist in some of those other components that you just mentioned, I believe that this commission in terms of how they deal with how you dispose of these elements would also benefit those other… those other components that you mentioned in terms of how you properly dispose of those, as well.”

“But I would suggest though…”

“But I would suggest if you did you have… if there were elements of lead or mercury in your televisions that this commission, in terms of how you dispose of those elements, 09300035.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 would also benefit in terms of how you dispose of televisions or microwave ovens or whatever it may be.”

“Actually, I found this Bill on my own volition from an article I read in the Wall Street Journal over the summer.”

“And basically…”

“I found this Bill basically from an article I read in a publication, it may have been the Wall Street Journal, as it related to the problem in California and how they addressed the problem and later finding out the State of Georgia has exactly the same program, where they put together a commission in terms of how they deal with the disposal of computers before they end up in landfills and breaking down those elements and making sure they properly dispose of the lead, properly dispose of the mercury and other harmful elements that could cause a public health problem if it ended up in landfills, seepage into waterways and it’s very important, I think. I don’t think anybody here would argue with the fact that trying to provide protection in the way of public health is one of the main reasons we’re all here.”

“Well, quite frankly…” 09300035.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Quite frankly, what they did in those states came out of the fact that they formed commissions to study the problem as it relates to landfills in California, as it relates to landfills in Atlanta.”

“I think more than anything, I kinda view this problem as a public safety issue. Now, we all, I think everyone here understands the danger of exposed lead, in particular in a landfill environment where it’s not biodegradable, where it would sit there for years and years and years causing… which could potentially cause a problem as it relates to seepage into waterways and what have you. And I think as we’ve… what we’ve learned about lead and exposed mercury and we’ve seen plenty of Bills dealing with those elements and the danger that they’ve caused and many of us here received literature on the dangers of lead poisoning and mercury poisoning that it’s important that we deal with this issue before it becomes a serious, serious problem. There is not too many pe… places in the world right now where you can’t find a personal computer and as a result and as they run through their use life and end up in landfills when people throw them in their garbage can and it ends up God knows where, I think it’s important that we address that. Just like in the mid ‘80s when we addressed the problem with disposable plastic and we came up with all these different programs for recycling, I kinda view this in the same way.” 09300035.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Thank you, Representative.”

“Representative Boland.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this Bill and commend the Gentleman for bringing it forth. As we all know, what happens in the environmental area in particular is that long after a problem has developed then we recognize the damage that’s been done and we come back in and we’re trying to find solutions to it and it’s often very, very costly. We are almost always reactive to environmental problems in particular, often problems in general. This is a proactive approach. This is getting us ahead of the horse. We’re getting ahead of the train here and being able to look at what are the problems, how do we deal with them, what’s going on, how much environmental pollution could this be causing, how much mercury is getting into the environment from this disposal? Right now, I doubt that any of us have probably thought about this issue, maybe we’ve read an article, as I have, as obviously,the… the Sponsor has. But ya know, we kinda let it go at that and we don’t really move on it and do anything until much, much later and then we come in and we say, oh, we’ve got this big problem, what are we gonna do? 09300035.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 All this mercury and other materials are… are in our landfills, they’re being dumped in other places, it’s causing a great public health problem. It’s causing an environmental problem. Ya know, this is what happened with lead. Ya know, lead was in our gasoline, lead was in our paint, it was in our homes, it was in our buildings, and so forth. And we can say the same thing about asbestos now. Ya know, we never got ahead of the problem, this is an approach that is really is highly commendable, because it’s getting us out in front of the problem before it becomes so massive that we’ve gotta come in here with multi, multimillions of dollars and all kinds of studies and all kinds of actions to take care of it. So, I would hope that all of us vote ‘yes’ on this and that the commission comes back with the report in due time so that we can begin to take action on this. It’s time for the Land of Lincoln instead of always being the-drag-behind state that we actually be the leading state. Thank you very much.”

“Representative Biggins.”

“Representative Black.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“I’m sorry, Representative, I can barely hear you.”

“Could you…”

“Two points on that. One, I think what’s most important here is that this commission is enacted so we can deal with the serious problem. In terms of how these individuals get appointed is not as important to me as the fact that we begin to work on a very serious problem as it relates to computer disposals. If the Governor’s Bill is successful in passing through the House and the Senate and being signed into law, then my Bill would probably adjusted accordingly, in fact, it would be subject to that law and as a result, ya know, I don’t think I’ll lose any sleep over the fact that the Governor appointed the members of the commission as long as those members of the commission are capable in working towards coming up with a reasonable and commonsense solution to dealing with the disposal of computers.”

“I’m aware of the Governor’s legislation.”

“Again, it’s not the thrust of my Bill that the Governor has the sole authority or not to appoint the commissions, the thrust of my Bill is that we deal with the disposal of used computers.”

“I appreciate your concern, Representative.”

“Representative Novak.”

“Yes, will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Marlow, this is a good idea, I’m glad you thought of it. We had a Bill last year on recycling computer parts because of the problems that you pointed out. In addition, not only the mercury, but it’s the cathode ray tubes, a lot of these old… old monitors become real cumbersome and burdensome and you just… you just don’t wanna… seems like you don’t wanna throw ‘em in the landfills and there’s a lot of recycling possibilities with old computers. But you might wanna consider when this thing gets over to the Senate, instead of forming a commission, I mean, ya know, if it runs… if it butts heads with the Governor’s boards and commissions reorganization proposal, you might wanna just consider an in-house task force within the agency of the EPA to do the same thing. You just might wanna think about that.”

“That’s an excellent suggestion.”

“Okay.”

“Thank you, Representative.” 09300035.doc 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

“Okay.”

“I think that’s excellent.”

“But it’s a good idea and I think everybody should support this Bill. You know how quick technology changes, you can buy a computer one day for a thousand dollars and three weeks later you see the same thing in the… in a… in the PC World Magazine that it’s half the price and it’s already outdated, so we know how quick technology jumps and advances with respect to, ya know, microchips and all the other technological advances in the computer age. So, it’s a good Bill and everybody should support it.”

“Representative Colvin to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill and I have to agree with Representative Boland and his comments in terms of what we’re trying to accomplish in being out front and dealing with the problem because… before it becomes so serious that, ya know, once again we’re being reactionary. This Bill, I think, just speaks to a cleaner and safer environment. And I urge everyone to vote ‘yes’.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Hultgren, for what reason do you rise?”

“Yes, state your point.”

"The Journal will so reflect your intentions. Representative Stephens, for what reasons do you rise?”

Speaker Hannig: "Absolutely. Thank you, Representative Stephens. Representative Kelly, for what reason do you rise? Representative… Representative McGuire, for what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was in the powder room and I did not vote. I would like to be recorded as an ‘aye’.”

Speaker Hannig: "Okay, the Journal will so reflect your intentions. Representative Kelly, for what reason do you rise?”

"I also would like to be recorded as an ‘aye’.”

"Thank you. Representative Winters.”

"Okay. Just got to hit those switches. We’ll all try to do better. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2425 for Representative Capparelli?” 09300035.doc 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative Capparelli.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a time when people are trying to cut costs and save money, House Bill 2425 is exactly what the summary says. It amends the Currency Exchange Act to allow currency exchanges to meet the bonding requirement under the Act, allowing members of statewide association to buy and purchase a blanket board (sic-bond) up to $2 million for all those belonging to the association. I don’t know of anyone who would oppose of this. I ask for a favorable Roll Call.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2425. Is there any discussion? On that question, Representative Parke is recognized.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Not that I know of, no.”

"That’s… that’s great.”

"Is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have 09300035.doc 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 3440 for Representative Lyons?”

"Representative Lyons.” Lyons, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3440, as amended yesterday, provides that facilities licensed under the Life Care Facilities Act and the Nursing Home Care Act must document evidence of vac… vaccination for in… influenza and pneumococcal diseases for each resident age 65 and over to be completed by November 30th of each year. It also requires that residents who are admitted between November 30th and February 1st of any year should also be inoculated, unless, of course, any resident who refuses the shot has that right to refuse or if they’re medically contradicted (sic- contraindicated) certainly will not be given the shot. In addition to that, should the Center for Disease Control determine that there’s something else that has to be done they would fall under the changes in the law that would be as… as disclosed by the Center for the… for Disease Control, if it’s not the dates that we’re talking here of 09300035.doc 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 November… November 1st. So, this is an initiative of the AARP, Association of Illinois Senior Care Centers. It’s also been passed in 21 different states, including our neighboring states of Kentucky, Indiana, and Michigan, the sunbelt states of Texas, Florida, and Arizona. So it’s a protection for our senior citizens of age 65. We amended it, of course, to make it Medicare eligible so there would be no cost to… to the facilities or to the state. I’d be happy to answer any questions. I certainly hope you can help me and pass this vote for the senior citizens in Illinois.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 3440. And on that question, Representative Parke is recognized.”

"He indicates he will yield.”

"Representative Slone.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?”

"He indicates he will yield.”

"Representative Lyons, can you tell me what would happen in an instance where a nursing home resident was unable to give consent to the inoculation?” Lyons, J.: "Well, there are the medical records that are kept in the nursing homes. And… and this inoculation would be added to those records so my… you know, should assume nothing on this, Representative Slone. But my guess would be that… that there is provisions in here where if there is 09300035.doc 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 a… a warning or an issue by a doctor that this person should not be receiving these shots, that that should be on record with the whole. Now somebody, of course, who’s fully cognizant can always refuse the shot, as some… some of us choose not to get it. But in the case of somebody not being able to make that decision, I think the intention here would be that there would records that you’d have to get authority from somebody who could make a informed decision on this.”

"Okay. So, like a relative or maybe that person’s physician would have to give consent on their behalf? I just… the Bill…” Lyons, J.: "Ricca”

"I don’t know if the Bill even deals with this.” Lyons, J.: "I can hardly hear you, Ricca, I’m sorry.” Lyons, J.: "Does the Bill… would a relative say, somebody who has, you know, power of attorney for health care or maybe their physician be able to consent?” Lyons, J.: "Well, I… not knowing the… how current law addresses that, somebody with power of attorney, and we can refer to our attorneys here, I think does make that decision for somebody who’s not able to make that decision on their own, that’s the purpose of power of attorney.”

"Thank you.”

"Representative Mulligan.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.” 09300035.doc 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Is there any further discussion? There being none, Representative Lyons to close.” Lyons, J.: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill has passed in 21 different states, as I mentioned earlier, including three surrounding states for us and many of the sunbelt states. The questions on… that have been addressed here are important ones and things that I would like to get answered as much as the people who asked them here today. And we’ll certainly do so when this thing goes to the Senate. But I would ask for your favorable consideration on this Bill.”

"The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr… Representative Hartke, do you wish to vote? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 20?”

"Representative Lang.” 09300035.doc 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. As you all know, we have some real serious teacher shortages in our state. When I went to college we had all kinds of people becoming teachers. We had more teachers than you could count. But today we have teaching shortages not only in different geographic regions of Illinois, but also even in areas where we have enough teachers we have shortages of teachers in designated areas of discipline. House Bill 20 is part of a… an approach to find more teachers. As you know, we passed a Bill out of this chamber last week making it easier for foreign-born teachers to continue to stay here and teach while their citizenship is pending. This Bill would create a teaching scholarship for those who choose to teach in designated shortage areas if they… for five years. Now we have some programs today that require they do it for one year, which would ala… enable people to get the scholarship and, after one year, leave teaching. The average length of the life of a teacher in our system is about three years. This would require teachers to teach for five years in an area designated by the state board that was an area of need, whether it be by geography or whether it be by discipline area. And if we are true to our word that education is important and true to our word that we need more teachers to teach our children in areas of Illinois where there are shortages, we have to do something to encourage people to stay in the system. And this is an important Bill for that reason. It’s part of 09300035.doc 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 our process of improving education in Illinois. And I would ask for your votes.”

"The… the Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 20. And on that question, Representative Parke.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Well, I think I can see from over here, Representative, you have a fiscal note in your hand. The fiscal note says it’s going to cost $30 million but it is not going to cost $30 million. The fiscal note is based on an estimate. And it’s based on an estimate that 25 percent of the college students who might be eligible will avail themselves to this program. But of course, we know that won’t happen because today most teachers don’t teach more than three years, that’s first. And this would require five years. And no one’s gonna make that commitment and they’d have to pay the money back and it wouldn’t cost the treasurer any money anyway. The second reason is, today we have a very small program in Illinois to encourage people to teach in discipline areas where there are shortages. And there are only 291 people who’ve availed themself of that scholarship. So the estimate of $30 million is grossly overstated.” 09300035.doc 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Well, I would say that even 15 million is overstated, but let’s assume any…”

"Let’s assume it’s $1.98. The point you want to know is…”

"…how are we gonna pay for this. That’s what you want to know, right?”

"We’re going to pay for this because we have to reprioritize spending in Illinois. We should not start from the assumption that all… everything we spend money on we’re gonna continue to spend money on and then we have to find new money to fund the program. It’s up to us in this chamber to prioritize our spending. And we have said, you have said, and I have said, and the rest of us in this chamber and across the rotunda have said that educating children is the most important thing we do in Illinois. We spend millions and millions and millions of dollars on education. And I would submit to you that this amount of money, whatever it is, must be expended because we have areas of Illinois, and your colleagues on your side of the aisle from rural Illinois and my colleagues on my side of the aisle from rural Illinois and in other places, will submit to you that they simply don’t have enough teachers. 09300035.doc 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 We have to find ways to get teachers teaching in our system if we’re gonna improve education in Illinois.”

"Representative Meyer.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Amendment #1, Representative, was a… a technical Amendment that, in essence, requires that the money not be paid to the recipients but directly to the university…”

"…so that we don’t have an accounting problem trying to get money back from… from the recipient.”

"ISAC is to create rules to deal with this issue. So, the person… if the person doesn’t graduate they’re gonna have to pay the money back. If they don’t teach for five years in the area… in an area designated by the State Board of Education they’re gonna have to pay the money back.”

"Well, ISAC would come up with rules to do that. But my presumption is that ISAC would have a mechanism in their rules to go to the person who benefited from the scholarship and say, hey, you gotta pay us back.”

"We allow I… sorry.”

"We allow ISAC to do that by rules, Sir.”

"The student. The student is responsible if they don’t (A) complete college, or (B) teach for five years in one of the designated shortage area they have to pay the money back. The university is not on the hook.”

"The… well, this would be part of the rules ISAC would set up. But the way it’s vi… envisioned is that you tell ISAC up front I’m gonna do this and upon graduation ISAC gives you a list of places to choo… not ISAC but the Board of Education would give you a list of places to choose from. Now, there… there’s gonna be two different lists. One is gonna be a list based on geography, tea… school districts that just simply don’t have enough teachers. One list is gonna be based on discipline. So it could be a school that has plenty of teachers but they need a biology teacher or they need a French teacher or whatever it might be. So, then they would choose. Now, I was asked in committee whether it meant that these people had to teach in one place for five years. And, again, ISAC would have rules but my… my vision of this is no. My vision of this is as long an area… an area of shortage, people ought to be able to move around within the system.”

"Well, presumably, if a school district says they need a biology teacher and they hire you, they’re gonna continue to need a biology teacher. But if they would decide they no longer need one I guess there are two remedies. One is, ISAC would have rules and say go to the State Board of Education, they’ll tell you somewhere else you can teach. Or, we don’t wanna, I don’t think, burden these people too much. If… if the shortage area closes up, through no fault of their own, I don’t think they should be penalized and I would expect that would be part of the rule.”

"Thank you.”

"Representative Kurtz.”

"Yes, the Sponsor will yield.”

"Representative Bost.”

"Representative Lang to close.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I’m hearing on the floor is that most people think this is a great idea. I hear 09300035.doc 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 some issues about cost. First, the cost is not that great given what we spend on education. But more to the point, we craft the budget of the State of Illinois. We… we’re gonna decide where to cut it. We’re gonna decide what the priorities are. Yes, we’re gonna get a plan from the Governor but in the Governor’s State of the State Address he told us that he wanted to create teacher scholarships to deal with shortages in areas. So the Governor’s gonna cover this issue. If he doesn’t we should. Many of us come from districts that need teachers. Many of us come from districts that need teachers in different areas. We cannot come to the House Floor and in good conscience say that we care about the public school children of Illinois if we don’t provide them enough teachers. I urge your ‘aye’ votes.”

"The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 20 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 85 voting ‘yes’, and 6 voting ‘no’, 25 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Wyvetter Younge, are you ready on 2601? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

"Representative Younge.” 09300035.doc 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2601 would re… reenact the East St. Louis Development Authority, which would do development in the East St. Louis area, in East St. Louis, Brooklyn, Venice, Washington Parke, and Centreville. There would be a small cost in reference to it. The cost that would be needed to hirer an executive director to get the agency started. There would be ten members of the board and the mayors of the various cities involved would be on the board plus the director of DCCA and the Illinois Finance Development Authority. The authority would have the power to issue bonds but only after other agencies that issue bonds have been asked to do so. The authority would not have the power to tax, it would not have the… the power to engage the full faith and credit of the State of Illinois. And… and that’s it. This… this instrument is badly needed in the East St. Louis area and I ask your support.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 2601. And on that question, Representative Stephens.”

"The Lady indicates she will yield.”

"The East St. Louis Development Authority was repealed on the 1st Ju… 1st July, ’98.”

"It started about two or threes years before that.”

"Right. I… I really don’t know specifically why it was repealed. It had been in operation a very short time and started its work. I do know the… the lapidation and deterioration of the East St. Louis area has continued to progress and it’s important that we do something about it now.”

"It… it is a separate entity, yes.”

"No, it was not in… in existence…”

"It… it hired an executive director.”

"It hire… hired an executive director…”

"… but it did not have…”

Speaker Hannig: "Could you… could you give the speakers a little attention please? Representative Younge.”

"To answer the question, it hired… the authority hired an executive director but the… it had not issued any bonds.” 09300035.doc 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"I will make a request to the appropriations process for a small amount for the salary for first year of the executive director in somewhere in the neighborhood of, say, $75 thousand or something like that.”

"I say somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe 50, 75 thousand dollars to hire an executive director.”

"Well, a… a person…”

"Yes, that was the request, but in view of the financial woes of the state it would probably be important to be more conservative than that at this point.”

"To the Bill.”

"Representative Meyer.”

"The Sponsor will yield."

"What I will talk with the appropriations process about is enough to retain or hire an executive director to begin and… and to set up the agency. And what I said was that I thought that between 50, 75 thousand dollars would be the appropriate amount that… to hire a person who has development skills who has been in the development field. And so that was what… what I said, Representative Meyer.”

"I… I think that the request should be limited to… to the staff. And I… I think the point is for the agency to have funds to run on until the development fees come in. An agency such as this authority could… can be self-sustaining from development fees but the question is the initial setup, Representative.”

"Well… more land has been cleared in the area involved here. There is more development opportunity because there is more dilapidation and deterioration. There is more of an opportunity, I think, for commercial and industrial development and residential development with the… I think that the urge… the need is greater and more… basically because the loss of population. I think that the factors which caused the need for this authority have multiplied. And it is needed more today than… than it was in the past. I think the getting of titles together, land, banking and accumulation, getting the land ready for development is… is needed now. And so, the… the need has grown. The time has proved the theory correctly.”

"In… in this area… for example, East St. Louis, there were at one time 127 thousand people that lived in East St. Louis. Today there are 31 thousand.”

"There is a loss of populations from the ‘90 census to 2000 census. The surrounding communities have also lost population. And… and that is another factor which causes the need for this authority.”

"Yes, it would have the authority to issue revenue bonds but only after it had asked other agencies that can issue bonds to do so first. If no agency takes the authority up on its request, then it can then issue the bonds.”

"I know the… I think that the time period is 20 years. I don’t know the… the limit of the authority.”

"I don’t think that there is a limit in the Bill of the authority to issue bonds.” 09300035.doc 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative Meyer, could you repeat your question.”

"Representative, I don’t know the answer to that. I will seek out an answer and if there is no limit in the Bill I’ll correct that in the Senate.”

“Thank you.”

"Representative Holbrook.”

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Representative Younge, did this group that existed up before… didn’t it not meet? I mean, did they… didn’t they stop meeting and that’s why we didn’t renew this, I thought?”

"I don’t…”

"I thought they didn’t come together and never meet.”

"Yes, they came together and had meetings. They… they met for a year or more and worked on projects.”

"Back in the eighties or nineties?”

"In the nineties.”

"Nineties, okay. There is no…”

"It’s the… the development process takes a number of years. And it was not, in creative… and in reality, long 09300035.doc 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 enough to complete the development process. This is really what occurred.”

"There’s no appropriation in this Bill. If we pass this Bill and there is no appropriation, will this authority go ahead and meet and will the cities fund it? Will the towns all chip in a little and… and get this thing going if the state decides not to…”

"I’m sure it will receive funds from… from private foundations and from other sources.”

"So this… this Bill does not lock in a financial source for it at this point? It’d be up to the appropriation process or up to the… the cities or private entities to help get this going, like we do with our Southwest Illinois Development Authority that’s funded through its bond receipts, is that correct?”

"That’s correct.”

"All right. Thank you.”

"Sure.”

"Representative Younge to close.”

"I ask for your support in this very important matter.”

"And the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 80… 79 voting ‘yes’, 32 voting ‘no’, and 5 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Rita, for what reason do you rise?” 09300035.doc 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Point of personal privilege.”

"State your point.”

"I’d like to recognize that we have up in the gallery the township officials of Illinois and township officials from out the state have their topics stated, they’re gonna be down here. I’d like to welcome ‘em.”

Speaker Hannig: "Welcome to Springfield. Representative Molaro, are you ready for House Bill 1364? Mr. Clerk, would you read that Bill?”

"Representative Molaro.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It’s a pretty straightforward Bill. Has to do with the… General Assembly’s scholarships. Basically what it… the way the law is now, you have to nominate someone on or before the first day of class. And what’s happened to me over the last 10 or 11 years, 12 years, and I’ve talked other Members, that what invariably happens… University of Illinois and Western and Northern, thank God, are… are very desirable schools to get into. So what happens is, a lot of people are waitlisted. They go to other colleges, try to get in. Since some of the children… some of the young adults that are admitted to those colleges call up and say that they’re not going in. So what happens is, you can register about… I’d say it’s 10 days or 2 weeks after the first day of class. So, they are called and they’ve said okay, you can come into U of I or Western Illinois and they 09300035.doc 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 go and they register but it’s after the first day of class. They contact our office and they say, ‘oh, by the way, I’ve been accepted. Can I be part of the scholarship?’ So all this does is allow us to nominate someone at the last day of registration, which is usually anywhere from a week or ten days after the first class begins. So this just puts that back to the nominating process from the first day of class ‘til about a week or ten days later. There was no opposition from any of the universities. And basically, it just helps us help kids that are… are actually admitted to the school after the first day but before registration closes. And I would answer any questions if there are any.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 1364. And on that question, Representative Monique Davis.” Davis, M.: "Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he’ll yield.” Davis, M.: "Representative Molaro, currently, if a student seeks a scholarship and is given that scholarship, what is the deadline date?”

"It’s the first day that class begins for that semester.” Davis, M.: "Currently, it’s the very first day…”

"Right.” Davis, M.: "…that the class begins for that semester. So your Bill would ask that we can give that scholarship two weeks later?” 09300035.doc 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Yeah, ap… approximately two weeks later. Most… most schools’ registration about ten days after the first day of class. Some do go out to about two weeks but that would be it. So you either extend it ten days or two weeks.” Davis, M.: "So it… it would make more sense to say that on the final day of registration that the scholarship could be submitted to the state superintendent, is that correct?”

"Correct.” Davis, M.: "Okay. I see nothing wrong with this Bill. I think it’s an excellent idea and I think it will allow more students to be beneficiaries of an education in the State of Illinois. Thank you, Sir.”

"Representative Meyer.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Well, first of all, that has nothing to do with this Bill. And if that question is ever asked me… asked of me whether or not voting on the Bill, I don’t know which way I would vote. But all I’m saying is that if we continue to do scholarships it makes sense to me that we do them on the last day of registration, not on the first day of class.”

"Well, if we’re gonna have them, which is a whole different question, and I assume they’ll… I don’t know what 09300035.doc 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 the Governor’s Budget Address is gonna say about that, I don’t know if there’s gonna be other Bills called before the General Assembly, then we can all vote as to whether or not we think we should continue ‘em or not. The Governor will speak out on that. Leadership on both sides of the aisle will speak out on that. And we’ll certainly have a chance to do that. All this says that if we’re gonna do ‘em this makes a heck of a lot more sense. So as far as I’m concerned, even people who would like to eliminate the waivers should vote for this because if we’re gonna have the waivers we might as well do it correctly. This has… this is not a referendum on whether we should have waivers or not.”

"No, the… the way the law is now… if, let’s say… well, let’s look at university… University of Illinois at Champaign. And their first day of class is September 6th, I don’t know, I’m making this up, and it’s September 6th. As of right now, the law is that we, in the General Assembly, must have to nominate someone by September 6th. Okay. But what has happened to myself and other Members that I’ve talked to, because of the fact that U of I is so difficult to get into, sometimes kids that are accepted to the University of Illinois will go elsewhere and they’ll tell the university on the 4th or the 5th that they’re no longer attending. So some of the children in our district who were waitlisted by the U of I are then called or sent a 09300035.doc 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 letter and say even though classes started September 6th, we have late registration ‘til September 16th. You can now come into the university and register before September 16th. So these are children that are now being told they’re accepted into the U of I. So I would not want to preclude them from being able to call our offices and say, ‘hey, I have now been accepted. I’m registering on the 16th.’ I go, ‘okay, I’ll nominate you for a scholarship.’ But presently we’re not allowed to do that. This would give us the opportunity to do that because we’re changing the deadline from September 6th ‘til September 16th.”

"Yeah, no. This would be… this will be the actual last day of registration. We can’t really go beyond that because I… I just didn’t think it would make any sense. We… we’re looking for this extra ten days. Most students are notified by the first day of class that they’ve been accepted but they’re given a week to come in and register. And I just thought this made sense.”

"Well… well, sure I would. I mean, the last thing we want to do… and this is why this problem rose. The last thing I want to do is tell some student that I’m gonna nominate ‘em for a scholarship and they go out and have a great celebration, it’s one of the only ways that they can go to school is through this. And then because they received the fax a day late they no longer can take the… get the scholarship. That… that would be un… unfortunate. But this is a certainly a step in the right direction, this Bill. I…”

"No.”

"I have not.”

"I have not.” 09300035.doc 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative Giles.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

"To the Bill.”

"You know, the… when the Representative brought this Bill before the Higher Education Committee, of course, my prior… my… my main concern was that he was not bringing legislation to abolish these waivers. The Illinois General Assembly scholarship waivers are one of the most unique items that we have dealt with in… in this… in this Body. It… it purely creates an opportunity for individuals that lobby… that lobby our district offices that’s in our legislative areas that see… is another outlet in which they seek opportunities and ways to… to educate themselves, to get higher education, to come to a legislative office to inquire about educational opportunities. That’s what our offices should be about. And first of all, I’m just glad that this is not a piece of legislation before us today that… that will abolish the waivers to the state universities so that our children can have a good opportunity for higher education. Secondly, there are… there are situations in which individuals… there’s various circumstances that individual’s waiver may come in late or have to be late. I know one of the examples I gave in committee, I had a prime situation where a young man had about three universities on hold that he was… he had 09300035.doc 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 applied for and he had had interviews with two, had visit one of the schools, and was trying to visit the other two schools to make a determination exactly which university that that individual wanted to go to. And so, in that particular situation that individual was still waiting on a university to respond as to what university that he will be accepted at, one… one of the state universities. And so, this legislation, I believe, addresses that issue. There’s always circumstances that is outside the norm. And this is… this piece of legislation, I think, has been drafted well, will address that issue. I think it’s… it’s badly needed. I am sure that each one of your legislative scholarship committees who conduct these practices of… of awarding the scholarship waivers has came upon scenarios in which a scholarship waiver was late in… in process… or late in the process of being granted. So, I urge a ‘aye’ vote. I think this is a good piece of legislation that address a well-needed situation. Thank you.”

"Representative Molaro to close.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I appreciate the comments. Again, I… I just want to reiterate that this isn’t a referendum on scholarships. That will be coming forward and we can all speak on that. This is just to say that if, for whatever reason, they do stay this would right certain wrongs that are out there and just make the program better if the program stays. So I would urge an ‘aye’ vote.” 09300035.doc 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 1364 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 91 voting ‘yes’, and 24 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 1468.”

"Representative Hamos.”

"Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I’m proud today to sponsor a Bill, along with Representative Eileen Lyons and Feigenholtz, that responds to those constituents who ask us what we can really do about high home heating bills. House Bill 1468 establishes a uniform statewide Energy Efficiency Building Code for all new construction, this applies to new construction only. The Capital Development Board would create minimum code requirements and would make available the implementation materials to architects… engineers, architects to local jurisdictions. The energy efficiency is really about the building envelope, they call it, which is primarily insulation and windows. This is where using energy-efficient products can make a huge difference in terms of energy costs of home… home heating savings. In fact, we’re estimating up to $250 a year can be saved. There’s a small increase in the cost of the home but it’s quickly recouped with these annual 09300035.doc 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 energy savings. I know you have some questions so I will be available for questions. Thank you.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 1468. And on that question, Representative Winters.”

"The Lady will yield.”

"Well, Representative Winters, while I do not know exactly what’s within the International Energy Efficiency Code I can tell you that this Bill specifically says on page 2, line 3, that this applies to the construction of all new residential, commercial, and industrial buildings in this state. The… the paragraph you’re referring to has limits the application of this Act to only those communities which use a building permit process. Some very small communities do not even require building permits and this would not apply to them.”

"That is my understanding.” 09300035.doc 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Okay. Thank you.”

"Yes.”

"Representative Meyer.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Mr. Speaker, I can’t hear the questioner. Can you please get the attention?” 09300035.doc 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

Speaker Hannig: "Could we have some quiet in the chamber, please?”

"Well, in… in one very compelling study that was done using a real scientific research, there was an analysis of two different houses, one in Aurora, one in Springfield. And it was… this was for a sort of typical 2 thousand square foot home. And in that United States Department of Energy study it was estimated that the annual cost savings for the Aurora home would be $261 a year, and for the Springfield home, $208 a year. We think this is a really good return on the added costs of making these energy efficiency improvements, which are a grand total, using that same study, of $11 hundred to $18 hundred for the new improvements. So you quickly recoup that in energy savings.”

"As far as I understand how building codes work at the local level, many of our communities over the years have adopted a building code called BOCA. And BOCA is now merged with the group that is putting out this Intel… this International Energy Efficiency Code. So they are now part of the same group. This Bill would now have, if passed into law, would have the Capital Development Board creating rules for the municipalities and they would add these into their BOCA codes, as long as they were not inconsistent with the State Law. They could be more stringent but not less stringent than that International Energy Efficiency Code.”

"Yes, that’s correct.”

"Well, Representative Meyer, I’m working on the Energy Efficiency Code, along with many of the people in this chamber, because home heating bills are such a very incredibly important part of an average family’s household expenses. And this has very direct relationship to utility bills, home heating costs. There are other aspects of home construction that I’m sure might be useful to change, but it certainly doesn’t have that same direct payoff for our constituents about something that’s affecting them today. The… the BOCA code that our municipalities have adopted has one chapter dealing with energy efficiency… or energy… energies. This would replace that one chapter.”

"How much money is this going to cost the state is the Capital Development Board has not given us a fiscal note that it’s going to cost them anything. Now, that’s because this… this particular International Code Council has 100 people right here in Illinois who are wanting to go out there and help implement this. There is software that’s…” 09300035.doc 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Could we please have some order in the House? Representative Meyer.”

"Okay. Representative Hamos.”

"I’d… yes. Ladies and Gentlemen, the question was how much does this cost. And I’d like to talk about that because it’s an important part of what our opposition is saying too. The cost to the state is, we think, minimal. The Capital Development Board would be… would be instructed under this Bill to promulgate rules and put them out there for the municipalities. The software has already been developed. The materials have already been developed. There are 13 different municipalities already using these materials. There… the International Energy Council, which happens to be located in Illinois, has a hundred people who are available, ready and willing to go out and offer technical assistance. That’s the state cost. The cost to the homeowner, under this energy… United States Department of Energy study, would be a grand total of 11 hundred to 8 hundred dollars for energy efficiency materials that, over the lifetime of a house or over the thirty years of a mortgage, is really a minimal increment. The savings, however, are the energy savings, which are reaped immediately. Two hundred-fifty dollars a year, each and 09300035.doc 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 every year of the co… the lifetime… over the lifetime of that home.”

"I think that’s a fair question, Representative Meyer. I think they’re a group has been working on this for a long time. They were working with a group called the Illinois Building Commission, that’s a commission that, I think, together they recommended the Capital Development Board, that’s because they deal with buildings. So I guess that they’re not required to give out grants under this. Really, they’re just required to develop rules and to offer technical assistance to municipalities. It could be other agencies, too, but nobody has come forward with any other approach.”

"If they’re not, I wish they would be because it’s also very important that we passed the law… a Bill earlier, Representative Novak’s Bill, that would have us use this energy efficiency standard in state buildings. So Capital Development Board is actually probably the perfect agency. It should know what’s going on at the state level and could then offer technical assistance to municipalities.”

"You know, I don’t, Representative Meyer. We have a new administration, as you know. There’s some turn over issues right now. This Bill does not take effect for one year upon becoming a law. So we would certainly expect that in the year it could… the agency could be geared up to offer this kind of technical assistance.”

"Let me respond to that because actually the City of Chicago was the very first city that implemented an Energy Efficiency Code. So they had to deal with all of the startup problems that it takes to start with a new code. Thirteen other municipalities have done that now in less time. And the truth is, as we get more geared up it will 09300035.doc 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 become more avail… all the materials will be more available. There is now software which puts the materials issues on a checklist and makes it very easy to comply with this. That software was not available at the time that the City of Chicago was doing it. So it’s getting more and more in use and the materials will become more and more available and the cost will come down as those materials are used.”

"We don’t have any me… any penalties.”

"I don’t think we included that, Representative Meyer. I think, as with any other laws that we pass, we expect municipalities to… to be part of the system and part of our process. And I’m sure they would comply.”

"Well, I think… as you know, I’m very committed to really im… seeing more affordable housing in more communities. However, one of the reasons that housing is not affordable is because of the operating costs which are high utility bills. In fact, older housing that doesn’t use energy efficient standards with big drafty rooms or with cracks in the walls or with minimal insulation have humungous energy bills. We know this because we have a low… low income heating assistance program for very low income people. This is about energy savings for all of our constituents. This makes all new construction more affordable.”

"Representative Hartke.”

"Thank you very much. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Representative Hamos, I appreciate your working on this piece of legislation and I know that your intentions are very well. We talked about this a long time in committee and so forth. I’ve got a couple of questions that I failed to ask you that… that time. And I know you’ve… you’ve worked on this very hard. Have you a reached an agreement with any of those groups that were opposition to this piece of legislation?”

"I don’t think I have, no.”

"No. Who is for this piece of legislation?”

"All of our constituents are for this legislation. This is about lower heating costs back home.”

"Except those that are in need of housing that… that may not be able to afford housing because we’re now 09300035.doc 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 mandating an increased in cost in their housing. Is that correct?”

"No, it’s not.”

"Can you tell me some of the individual groups that are opposed to this legislation?”

"I think the home builders are opposed, Illinois Municipal League is opposed, and I’m continuing to work with the Illinois Association of Realtors.”

"Well, the latest information I have is that the Illinois Association of Realtors are opposed to this legislation, the Builders Association of Greater Chicago, the Illinois Manufactured Housing Association, the Illinois Municipal League, the DuPage Mayor and Managers Conference, the Northwest Municipal Conference, the Will County Governmental League, the Illinois Manufacturers Associations, as well as Commonwealth Edison. Now, looking at that group of individuals I… like I said, I think that… that your intentions are very well but this is not a perfect world that we live in. There are… these are mandates that are coming down upon those individuals and those municipalities that would be required to follow this mandate, should it pass and be signed by the Governor. I think this will increase the cost of housing… decrease the cost of housing availability for low income individuals and will cause probably more problems than it’s going to solve. Great idea, but I just don’t know that the State of Illinois can afford to do this. It’s my understanding there are 26… 26 counties that have somewhat… have a… a 09300035.doc 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 building code in their counties. That means there are 76 counties that do not. This is a mandate, it’s gonna cost tons and tons of money for individuals. I think it’s a patchwork sort of method of going about. Unless we have a… a complete building code statewide in the State of Illinois in every county in every aspect of building, whether it be plumbing, electrical, insulation, roofing, foundation, construction, the whole ball of wax across the board, I’m… I’m opposed to this piece of legislation. And I would appreciate very much if my colleagues would follow through as well with a ‘no’ vote on this piece of legislation.”

"Representative Black.”

"State your inquiry.”

"Representative, the Parliamentarian’s prepared to answer your question.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"I don’t know.”

"Well, no, you see, these aren’t appliances, Representative Black.”

"Okay…”

"Well, and actually, Representative Black, I’m really glad you asked that question because our…”

"…because our opponents have put out a lot of misinformation about this Bill, and one of them is that there would be a dol… a hundred dollar a month payback. I have never said that, I never will say that. Today I have indicated that we are going to be… our homeowners will be able to save $250 a year, but that is a significant savings over the lifetime of a home when the original investment in the energy efficient material was $11 hundred to $18 hundred. Now, our opponents say that there’s increased costs but they’ve never been able to produce any data at all. Every time I’ve asked, oh, it’s back at the office somewhere. What we are pointing to is an actual study on the Illinois… on the International Energy Co… Conservation Code that actually did a study with the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. It looked at prototype houses in Aurora and Springfield, it was an actual research study. And in that they found that they… I told you before, they assumed a two-story, single family house with 2,040 square feet. And they, for that prototypical home, they said the increased cost of construction would be 11 hundred to 18 hundred, the energy savings would be 208 to 261 dollars a year. Our opponents have no study, have no data, and have no information that suggests otherwise.”

"Wow.”

"To the Bill.”

"Representative Lyons.” Lyons, E.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are not asking Illinois to be a pioneer, to be a crusader, to… to stand out as a leader in this area. Thirty-five other states have adopted similar codes and the sky did not fall. In fact, the sky probably got a lot a clearer… a lot clearer. The Environmental Law and Policy Center contend that the 09300035.doc 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 reduction in annual air pollutants, especially nitrous oxides, is comparable to six thousand cars getting off the road. Again, other states have done this and the sky did not fall. There are municipalities that have adopted these standards, so how onerous could they be? What we’re asking for, we think, is reasonable. Builders now must deal with a patchwork quilt of various ordinances throughout this state. This would simplify that process. Previous speaker talked about one size not fitting all. Well, I agree. And that… this standard that we’re asking for does take into consideration the five different climates zones in the State of Illinois. And we have taken that into consideration. The Home Builders have told me that they would like to see a statewide standard enforced in this state. This is a compromise. This isn’t a statewide standard, this is a minimum energy efficient standard. And I stress that, this is a minimum. The Amendment makes this minimum standards. What we’re asking for, again, I think is reasonable. I’d like to know who of your constituents would not want you to vote for energy conservation. In these times when we are really concerned about that very subject, energy conservation and our reliance on… on energy, who of your constituents would not want you to vote for energy conservation. I submit to you that conserving energy is not only good public policy but a responsibility we should take very seriously. I would urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

"Representative Mulligan.” 09300035.doc 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative Biggins.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"As I understand the code, there are five zones in Illinois, yes.”

"Well, I… I don’t know that. I don’t know if they’re exact counties.”

"Representative Hamos to close.”

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ve had a lot of good debate on this Bill and I appreciate… I appreciate your attention to this. This is a very important Bill. You know, we’ve said already that thirty-five other states have already done this kind of thing in Illinois. In the last two years, thirteen municipalities have adopted an energy efficiency code. We have not heard complaints in those thirteen municipalities, municipalities like Schaumburg and Naperville and Chicago. We would have heard if there were problems back home from the code enforcement people. In fact, they have learned how to work with this. We would have heard if there were problems with the builders. We would know if, in fact, people were leaving these communities in droves. Can you really say that about Schaumburg and Naperville and Chicago? We would have heard if, in fact, there were complaints from architects, but the architects association is supporting this Bill. We would have heard if there were problems from our home buyers because they would not be able to fi… they would find that the costs were prohibitive, that is not true. This is good for homeowners, this is good for consumers because we’ve 09300035.doc 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 established that this will reduce home heating bills. This is good for the rest of us in society because we know it’s important for energy conservation and reduced energy consumption. This is an important Bill, I urge an ‘aye’ vote. Thank you.”

"The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 1468 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 47 voting ‘yes’…,. Representative Hamos do you wish to put this on Postponed Consideration? Okay. 47 voting ‘yes’, 59 voting ‘no’. This fail… Bill fails. Representative O'Brien on House Bill 2318. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

"Representative O'Brien.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2318 provides that the Department of Human Services, Corrections or the Department of Veterans Affairs cannot close a facility operated by that or reduce the use of the facility past a certain level on a permanent basis without the approval of the General Assembly. This is in response to some closures that we all dealt with last spring that didn’t seem to have a… a whole lot of rhyme or reason and the General Assembly felt a little left out in a 09300035.doc 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 lot of circumstances. And I’d be happy to answer any questions and I would request an ‘aye’ vote.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 2318. Is there any discussion? There being none then, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’, and 3 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 191?”

"Third Reading. Representative Wait, are you prepared on 3117? Out of the record. And Representative Sacia on House Bill 353. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

"Representative Sacia.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 353. And on that question, the Gentleman… Representative Hartke is recognized.”

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Representative Sacia, I support your concept of your Bill completely. And I think it’d be very important to know which one of these vehicles are actually con… convertible from the 10 percent ethanol to the 85 percent ethanol. And I know that Ford Taurus is one of them. Could you tell me what it would cost the average consumer to have his or her vehicle if it is capable of being…”

"Yes, made available to… to burn the 85 percent ethanol?”

"Can you tell me how many ethanol… 85 percent ethanol stations there are in the State of Illinois at the current time?”

"Less than 50?”

"What are some of the disadvantages to… other than not having a readily available fueling station in Illinois, other than that?”

"So your gas mileage would be the same? Or your…”

"Or your fuel efficiency would be the same?”

"Well, when you say fuel economy do you mean that… by the way, what would that increase the cost of the fuel? Do you have any idea what…”

"…85 percent ethanol fuel would cost as opposed to maybe 93 percent octane or 87?”

"So, at that rate $1.17 a gallon coming out of the plant, you could conceivably then, mixing 10 percent gasoline, which is probably, what, $1.10, $1.20 on the open market today?”

"Well, that’s retail. Now, you’re talking wholesale coming out of the plant, though.”

"Well, I think it would be a tremendous opportunity if we had the expansion of these ethanol stations in Illinois… fueling stations. And I… I applaud your piece of 09300035.doc 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 legislation. I won’t be harangoing you anymore. I encourage Members to support this piece of legislation.”

"Representative Dunkin for… on House Bill 353.”

"Will the speaker yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Yeah. Would… would there be a cost associated with this with the Secretary of State’s Office compiling this new data?”

"Okay.”

"Okay.”

"Sure. Have you consulted with the Secretary of State’s Office?”

"Would the databases of the service stations already now be helpful to the consumer?” 09300035.doc 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Would the databases of the service stations also be helpful… helpful to the consumers?”

"Okay. I… I’m just curious as to why we haven’t… I mean, ethanol’s been… been around for… for a wa… for a while now, why… why this is, you know, now coming up as relate to… relates to us complying this data.”

"Thank you.”

"Representative Mulligan.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.” 09300035.doc 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Then there being no further discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Morrow, for what reason do you rise?”

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. A point of personal privilege.”

"State your point.”

"We have the former treasurer, and now the current Lieutenant Governor, Pat Quinn on the floor. Why don’t we give him a good General Assembly welcome. Pat.”

"Mr. Clerk… Represen… Representative Howard, are you prepared on House Resolution 37? Representative Howard.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d… I’d like my colleagues to please adopt this House Bill (sic-Resolution) that actually made today Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Day in 09300035.doc 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Springfield. As you know, my sororities were here. They came to meet their… their Legislators to learn what we do down here and to just become knowledgeable about the electoral political arena. I’d ask for a ‘yes’ vote from everyone.”

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of House Resolution 37. Is there any discussion? There being none, then all… all in favor of the Amendment… all in favor of the Resolution say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1547?”

"Would you return that to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor? We have some Bills on Agreed List #2 that need to be either moved to Third Reading or have Amendments adopted. So, at this time the Chair will go to that Order of Business. And, so, Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 14 for Representative Franks?”

"Representative Franks.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 was an Amendment entered… we had a lot of help on this. Let me go back. I 09300035.doc 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 wanna thank Representative Millner who came up with some good language to help with re… to help with this Amendment. And what we’re just trying to do is make sure that the intent of the Bill would prevail. This was a Bill that was originally put forward by Representative Durkin last year. And what it does is it provides that any person whose principal business is to service or repair computers would have an affirmative obligation now to report images of child pornography, much like what we do with people who work in the photo processing business. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

"And on that question, Representative Fritchey on the Amendment.”

"Thank you. Obviously, a laudable purpose here. So, if you have a computer technician that comes across this, they are then obligated to report it to the authorities. And if they don’t, they’re civilly liable, criminally liable?”

"They are liable just as… I think it’s a thousand dol… up to a thousand dollar fine. It’s the exact… we… we took the exact same provision of those folks that work in the photo processing.”

"Okay. My… my… my concern would be this situation. You always try to take these things out to, you know, whatever levels they may reach. Would they then… if we put an affirmative duty on them, let’s say that they either fail to report or they didn’t see it or something and a minor or the parents of a minor who was abused who find out 09300035.doc 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 that this information was on the computer and not discovered, could they then pursue a civil claim against the computer technician? Say, hey, you know what? The abuse would’ve been caught months or years earlier had this person done… done with this… you see where I’m goin’.”

"That’s a really good question, Representative. And we have a hold harmless that was… that was part of Amendment 3. There’s hold… they’re being held harmless from any liability for reasonable compliance with the provision except for willful and wanton behavior.”

"So, absent in showing that they saw the material and decided not to disclose it.”

"Right, that’s the only way.”

"They’re… they’re not gonna be subject to a private lawsuit?”

"Absolutely.”

"Great Bill, thanks.”

"Thank you. Thank you for pointing that out.”

"Is there any further discussion? There being none, then all those in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 85.”

"Okay. Take that out of the record. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 1480.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 1529.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2147.”

"Representative Feigenholtz.”

"Thank you. Amendment #3 removes the business penalty from the Bill. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

Speaker Hannig: "All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2185?”

"Hold that Bill on the order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2251.”

"Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, let’s return to House Bill 85.”

"Representative Lang.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment changes the Bill by adding reasonable belief as a qualification for the penalty of a mandated reporter. It’s a fairly technical change but it requires that no mandated report on an elder abuse case suffer a penalty unless they would have a reasonable belief that the abuse is taking place. Simple change, ask you support.”

"Is there any discussion? There being none, then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed 09300035.doc 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2526.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2536.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2545.”

"The Majority Leader, Representative Currie.”

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is a measure that the Department of Human Services, the Department of Corrections, the Illinois courts, the Juvenile Justice Initiative, the Department of Children and 09300035.doc 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Family Services have been working on. The Amendment becomes the Bill and it provides a one-year planning program under the auspices of the Department of Human Services so that after the one year is up the counties could apply for funds to treat youthful offenders at home rather in the State Department of Corrections. I know of no opposition and I would be happy for your support for the adoption of the Amendment.”

"On the Amendment, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2816.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2956.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 3022.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the House Bill 3023.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3081.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3095.”

"Hold that on the Order of Second Reading and read House Bill 3215.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3325.” 09300035.doc 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Hold that on the Order of Second Reading. And Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3406.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3547.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3675.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 215.”

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Lang, would you offer that Amendment for Representative Jones?”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. House Amendment#… Floor Amendment #1 adds a provision that requires the Department of Public Health to conduct a public health information campaign for medical providers and the general public on Wilson’s disease, an inherited disorder in which excessive amounts of copper accumulate in the body that can cause liver disease. That’s all the Amendment does.”

Speaker Hannig: "All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 3512. That’s on… on Supplemental Calendar #1. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on Supplemental Calendar #1, also, is House Bill 2784. Would you read that Bill, please.”

"Okay. So, we’ll hold that on the Order of Second Reading, pending the notes. Representative Boland, are you ready on House Bill 2456? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Boland.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill passed unanimously in committee and it is supported by the Illinois Association of Firefighters. And I believe the fire chiefs are either supportive or neutral and the Municipal League is neutral on it. It makes a technical change in the Firemen’s Disciplinary Act. It changes the way that the maximum period of time for a suspension for a minor infraction is described from the current law of 72 hours, which is three calendar days, to 24 duty hours, which would still be three calendar…”

"Excuse me, Representative Boland.”

“Yes.”

I’ve now been advised that this Bill’s on the Agreed Bill List. So…”

"Oh, okay. All right. Thank you.”

"Why don’t we just handle it that way and the Chair apologizes. Representative Collins. Representative Collins, would you like us to call House Bill 416? No? 09300035.doc 221  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 373.”

"Representative Bost.”

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Monique Davis, are you prepared for House Bill 197? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Davis.” Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 197 requires… thank you very much. It requires that there… women who are lactating or 13 years of age or above will receive lead 09300035.doc 222  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 poisoning screening if their physician feels they live in an area of high risk. Originally, the Bill was imposing a two cent tax on video rentals and Amendment #1 removed that requirement. So, it’s a really simple Bill and it just ask that physicians will test for… screen for… no, that’s the wrong Bill. Mr. Speaker, House Bill 197 amends the Lead Poisoning Prevention Act. And it states that children or elementary school children who are over… I mean, there’s some confusion here. I don’t know. There’s some confusion here. I don’t know. It provides for the screening for lead poisoning.”

"Okay. The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 197, on the Order of Third Reading. Is there any discussion? Representative Lindner.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Representative Jefferson.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"The… the fees were removed, Representative, and… does that still mean that the Illinois retailers are still against the Bill even though the fee has been removed?” Davis, M.: "I’m sorry, I didn’t understand you.”

"The Illinois retailers, are they still opposed to this Bill?” Davis, M.: "No, they’re not because there’s absolutely no fee on any videos, so that removed the opposition.”

"Thank you.”

"Is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in 09300035.doc 224  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 96 voting ‘yes’, 2 voting ‘no’, and 15 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Winters, are you prepared on House Bill 2244? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: "Representative Hartke in the Chair. Representative Winters.”

"Is there any discussion on House Bill 2244? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2244?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 09300035.doc 225  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 wish? Have all voted who wish? Fritchey. Representative Graham. Representative Younge. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 62 Members voting ‘yes’, 53 Members voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 38 of the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2975. Representative Mulligan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Mulligan.”

"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lake… McHenry, Mr. Franks.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Representative Mulligan, are you… are you telling me that for all these years we have not transferred these records, previously, if one… if a student moved from one school district to another?”

"I’m sorry, I…”

"Expands the list, okay.”

"And I always assumed that that was true. Because if I would’ve known differently I might’ve act differently. But… but now you’re telling me there really is gonna be a permanent record that’s… that’s gonna follow you. Is that what you’re saying here?”

"I think it’s an excellent Bill. And, if you’d allow me, I’d like to be a cosponsor. And I appreciate you bringing it forward.”

"Representative Hannig in the Chair. Is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Davis, are you prepared on House Bill 3671, 3671? Representative Davis. Representative Davis on 3671. Out of the record. Representative Feigenholtz on House Bill 3021. Out of the record. Mr… Mr. Clerk, would you read the Committee Reports”.

"Representative Flowers, are you ready on House Bill 485, 485? Okay, out of the record. Representative Pankau on House Bill 1414. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Pankau.”

"Mr. Clerk, return this Bill to the order of Second Reading. Representative Holbrook, are you prepared on House Bill 1614? Out of the record. Representative Howard. Representative Howard on House Bill 2390. Are you ready for that Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Howard.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2390 allows for homeless minors between the ages of 16 and 18 to have partial emancipation so that they might choose to participate in a transitional housing program provided by a Department of Children and Family Services licensed provider. This Bill removes authorization for a homeless youth service agency to have attempted family… to have already attempted family reunification. Under this Amendment, and that was adopted to the Bill, only after an unsuccessful attempt at family unification through a community based comprehensive youth services agency can a 09300035.doc 229  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 minor petition for partial emancipation. I move for passage.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 2390. And on that question, Representative Black is recognized.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Well, this… this provides that a person who needs… still needs some protection from the… from the state but is not really old enough to be on their own can, in fact, be partially emancipated, have the ability to make some decisions in order to be able to… to get off the street. There are many young people who are somehow living on the streets. They are not able to get help from the Department of Children and Family Services because they just don’t have the ability to sign the… the documents, the official documents. So we’re saying that they need to be able to… to seek some kind of assistance from the department. In order for them to do that, they have to have authorization to do that. And we’d like… I’d like to… that we give them that kind of ability.” 09300035.doc 230  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"It o… it only provides for… the attempt at family reunification will already have been made at that point.”

"That is absolutely right.”

"Thank you.”

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Flowers. Representative Mulligan. Who… oh, excuse me. Representative Flowers is at her seat. Representative Flowers.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Lady yield, please?”

"The Lady indicates she’ll yield.”

"Representative, what is the emancipation age now?”

"Eighteen years of age.”

"Eighteen years of age?”

"Yes.” 09300035.doc 231  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"And so if a child no longer wanted to be a part of DCFS, this Bill would allow them to become emancipated at 16?”

"Only for the purposes of seeking the services that are provided in this one instance. That’s why it says ‘partial emancipation’.”

"Are these wards of the state already or are these runaways or what?

"Because… Mostly they’re runaways, Representative. Were they already wards of the state, then they would not have to seek… we would not have to deal with this… this legislation because the state could then make some kind of decisions. These young people are on the street and don’t have any roof over their head, for the most part.”

"Okay.”

"And rather than them be in the streets, subject to all kinds of evils, we would rather that they make some decisions and… and, in fact, avail themselves of the children and family services licensed program.”

"Representative, what if…”

"Yes?”

"…a parent is looking for his or her child? Will this… I mean, will DCFS notify the parents that we have your child who’s not of age yet before they start delivering these types of services? Will there be some type of… will there try to be some type of contact with… with the family?” 09300035.doc 232  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative, by the time that we get to this point there has already been the attempt to unify with the family and it is not working. That’s why we say that this is a last resort. That we want that child off of the street and we’d rather that they be off the street and out of harm’s way than to continue to be in the street and not have a… a home.”

"So, who would take care of these children?”

"Well, they can go and avail themselves of the services of a licensed provider under DCFS.”

“But they will not be wards of the state.”

“They are not wards of the state.”

"Okay.”

"They will just go into a program that currently exists.”

"Okay. So, you have Amendment #1 to this Bill. And Amendment #1 removes the authorization for a homeless youth service agency. You’re… you’re telling the agency not to try to attempt family reunification? Am I correct? Because… the… Representative…”

"By the time this child gets to the agency that he or she finally winds up being a part of, some other agency will already have attempted to unify that child with the parent.”

"Representative, with all due respect, I remember this Bill from a couple years ago. And what frightened me about this Bill then and what frightens me about this legislation now is that we will be creating a mechanism where is it 09300035.doc 233  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 that if… if my daughter decides to get angry with me about something she may run away a couple doors down to my sister’s house. But if this Bill were to become law she would be a runaway and someone would make it convenient for her not to try to come back home. And so, as a result, I’m looking for my child, some state agency has my child, and there has been notification placed in this legislation to purposely not notify me that she’s okay?”

"Let me… let me suggest that perhaps you would feel better that your child is in off of the street and perhaps not…”

"But how would I know that, Representative?”

“But if…”

"Representative, have you…”

"By the time that the child has… has become a part of a provider’s program the parent will already have had an opportunity to be a part of an emancipate… or, a part of a unification hearing.”

"So, will I have to be there in regards… when the hearing come for the emancipation part, am I there? Would you show me, specifically, where that’s at, please? Because here it removes the authorization for a homeless youth. And I need to know how is one defined as being ‘homeless’?”

"Well…”

"Because if I’m the parent and you’ve contacted me for emancipation purposes…” 09300035.doc 234  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"On page 6, Representative… there is a provision that the parent or guardian is requesting or can request a hearing.”

"Ok… okay. At what point can the parent…”

"And must be notified.”

"I’m sorry, Representative, I can’t hear you.”

"And must be notified of such a hearing.”

"Okay, I’m sorry, Representative. Would you please repeat that again?”

Speaker Hannig: "Could we give the Lady a little order, please.”

"I’m sorry, Representative.”

"Would you repeat the question?”

"You were answering at what point will I, the parent, be notified that the child has… is asking for emancipation.”

"You will be notified early on that that is the case because there will have been efforts to reunify the child with the parent. Only when that is not possible and the child is still in harm’s way will the provision, in this particular legislation or the Bill that I am trying to get passed, become effective.”

"Okay, according to Amendment #1, it says ‘remove authorization for a homeless youth service agency to have attempted family reunification.’”

"And… and that is the agency that accepts the child. As I said, there will already have been… by the time that it is appropriate for the child to become emancipated there 09300035.doc 235  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 will already have been the process of trying to reunify with the parent and it has not worked. Therefore, rather than that child wandering around in the street, in harm’s way, then… then the… this legislation would… would allow the child to make a decision to come into DCFS and to accept the services of the provider. This is merely about trying to help some children who can… who have made a decision, for whatever reason, that their family situation is not going to work. And they oftentimes wander in the street, many of them get involved in prostitution many of them get involved in all kinds of things as they are on the street, as you well know. This is merely something that will help them to know that there is… there is protection there for them and that they need but make a decision to become a part of this program and they can be off of the street.”

"Representative, I thank you for your time.”

"Representative Mulligan.”

"The Lady indicates she will yield.”

"All right, the persons that we’re talking about are not wards of the state.”

"These are individuals who are… are not at all connected to DCFS. They are…”

"Representative Mulligan, perhaps I didn’t make it clear before. But this is not about young people who already have a relationship with DCFS.”

"Yes.”

“So that those persons who already have a relationship with DCFS cannot leave it to participate in the program.”

"That is… that is correct.”

"Oh, I’m certain that that’s the case.”

"I appreciate, thank you.”

"Representative Feigenholtz.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Howard, were you at the hearing that we had at the James R. Thompson Cen… Center in 2001? I would imagine that… this was a Human Services Committee that had a hearing on homeless youths.”

"I think that I… I… I’m relatively certain that I was there, yes.”

"Right. And… and I believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, that this may have been a… one of the… Patty’s shaking her head… this may have been right after 9-11, as I recall. Probably. Maybe.”

“I do not remember that.”

"I do, because…”

"Okay.” 09300035.doc 238  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"I do.”

"All right.”

"And… and there were many, many youths that fall into these categories that were testifying. And I know that there was a speaker earlier who was concerned about children and reunification with their families. I don’t believe that I ha… I am a very strong supporter of people being reunified with their families, as you know.”

"As am I.”

"And their families of origin if… if it’s possible. And I think one of the things that we heard when… at this hearing, and I’m sure Representative Bellock will… I see her shaking her head, are some circumstances that were very, very compelling. Some circumstances of children who had come home and no one was there.”

"Absolutely. And… and…”

"Children who have come home and there has been no family for them to come home to, has been no family for them to reuni… reunify with, is that correct?”

"Absolutely.”

"Some of the people also, as I recall, some of the young women were talking about coming home to drug addicted parents and domestic violence and living in very, very dangerous situations, as I recall. And I believe that some of the problems that we were having are being remedied in this Bill. So, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker.”

"To the Bill.” 09300035.doc 239  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"I really would like to applaud the Sponsor of this Bill for the efforts that she’s made. I don’t recall ever being at a hearing where everyone on the committee was in tears after listening to these youths who really want a new lease on life, who really still, after abandonment and abuse, have hope. And fortunately, we have shelters for homeless you… homeless youth in the State of Illinois that are sorely underfunded. And although this Bill doesn’t remedy that problem it does fill a couple of holes. So, I rise in strong, strong support of this Bill and I encourage everyone to vote ‘aye’.”

"Is there any further discussion? There being none, then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting ‘yes’, and 1 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Aguilar, for what reason do you rise, Sir?”

"The Journal will so reflect. Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise, Sir?”

"We’re shooting for 7 o’clock if we can move things along.” 09300035.doc 240  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Yes?”

"Yes, Representative?”

"Thank you, Representative.”

"I’m for that.”

"Representative Millner, are you prepared on House Bill 1574? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Millner.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 1574. And on that question, Representative Lang.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise in support of the Gentleman’s Bill. This is not the most important Bill we’ll have this year but it’s my favorite Bill that we’ll have this year. We all drive to and from Springfield, we all drive around our districts, so do our constituents. And I think the basis of this Bill is it’s not up to the guy in the left lane to decide how fast I’m gonna drive. Not a matter of speeding, it’s a matter of person doesn’t belong in the left lane. We should not have to go around a person in the left lane. It’s the kind of thing that makes you want to pull the person over and take their drivers license away from them if you could. These people are dangerous on the road. These people are incredibly dangerous because they cause other drivers to do things they shouldn’t have to do. The Gentleman’s got a very good Bill here. Now, some people who drive the speed limit in the left lane say, ‘well, I’m going the speed limit, tough on the guy behind me. I’m just gonna keep going the speed limit.’ I would submit to you that person is not a traffic cop and that person has no right to decide how fast any of us want to go on the road. That’s up to 09300035.doc 242  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 the State Police, not up to some guy wearing a hat with flaps over his ears that wants to go any speed he wants to go. And so, I strongly recommend ‘aye’ votes on this Bill.”

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"To the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Kane, Representative Schmitz.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Representative Fritchey.”

"Thank you, Speaker. I just wanted to say that at certain network outlets have established. I have a conflict on this issue and I’ll be voting ‘present’.”

"Representative Kurtz.” 09300035.doc 246  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Yes.”

"The Gentleman…”

"Representative Giles.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Seriously and one of the reasons why I put my name on this piece of legislation for… for a serious point. I know some of you may think that, you know, once you get in that lane that lane is for speeding. However, my experience have been I have been in circumstances which individuals purposely get in that lane and simply stay in that lane and hold up traffic for about a half a mile. Also, there’s individuals that get in that lane that don’t know that they should get into the left lane and simply pass that individual and get back into the right side of the lane. It’s… it’s simple courtesy. And also, from a safety standpoint of view, I have seen individuals stay in that lane and do about 50, 55 mile… about 50 miles an hour. And a speeding eight-wheeler (sic-eighteen wheeler) comes and by and want to get by and that creates some serious problems. And so, for… for those reasons I think an individual should simply just pass that vehicle and simply 09300035.doc 247  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 move to the right lane. And that way individuals will not jeopardize lives. I think this Bill could… could truly prevent an accident in the future. Thank you. And I urge everyone to support.”

"Representative Scully.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question.”

Speaker Hannig: "Okay. You’re the last speaker, Representative. So there’s no need to do that. So, there being no further discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 99 voting ‘yes’, 13 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lou Jones, are you prepared on House Bill 3062? Out of the record. Representative Mendoza on House Bill 2567. Representative Mendoza. 2567. You wanna… Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Mendoza.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2567 amends that… well, it deals with the Property Tax Board of Appeals. And it says that they should provide annually, and no later than February 1, to the Governor and the Members of this Assembly a report that 09300035.doc 248  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 contains, for each county, the total number of cases for commercial and industrial property requesting a reduction in assessed value of a hundred thousand dollars or more for each of the last five years. It also requests the total number of cases for commercial and industrial property decided by the board for each of the last five years. Ok it requests the total change in assessed value based on the Property Tax Appeal Board’s decisions for commercial property and industrial property for each of the last five years. In counties with 3 million or more inhabitants, the board would be required to electronically provide that information to… to the counties, free of charge as well. So, I would ask for your support and be happy to answer any questions.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 2567. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"That’s a good question. But I would… I would just suggest that we move forward with the Bill. And at the time and once it passes this chamber and goes over… excuse me, I was a little… caught off-guard there by Representative Feigenholtz. But if we move it through this chamber and then over to the Senate it’ll eventually get to the Governor’s desk and at that time, based on what happens with his legislation, we can come to that decision. But, again, I think this is a really good piece of legislation. I know of no opposition to it…”

"…and would hope that…”

"Sure.”

"Well, I… I… I guess my response to you would be that we just keep moving forward. Each of us has our issues and this is an issue that, I think, should move forward. And hopefully we can convince the Governor that this is the one that should be signed.”

"Yes, Sir?”

"The Amendment… the Amendment specifically details that the petitions have to be related to the grounds that are listed within the… their guideline. So it’s a very technical Amendment. It really doesn’t change much other than that any appeal that’s filed before the PTAB must be limited to the grounds that are listed in the petition filed within the PTAB. It’s a simple matter. We took that 09300035.doc 251  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 from Representative Hamos’s Bill, which had passed out of committee. And we put that on.”

"Well, I think… Representative, the… the intent of that was just to stay consistent with… well, what we were looking for was to have the… the grounds, I thought, were an important part in… in filing for that appeal before the Board of Appeals on the property tax review. I mean, I think it’s an important thing to include. We voted on that 09300035.doc 252  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 yesterday. I… I kind of wish you would’ve brought that up yesterday when we were doing the Amendment.”

"Excuse me?”

"No, we did the Amendment yesterday here on the floor.”

"So…”

"I apologize.”

"To… to the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: "The chairman of the Revenue Committee, Representative Molaro.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know… you know, one of the best things about being down here is when we look at something and… and we just see it two entirely different ways. You know, every time this happens I get amazed by it. And I’m certainly amazed this time. I mean, I thought the American way would be openness and fairness. We’re… we’re not here where it’s a criminal proceeding and let’s hide the ball. We’re over here where someone’s assessed by the assessor, he’s goes to the… in Cook County you go to the Board of… of Tax Review, they do their assessment. Now you go to PTAB. So what you do, when you go to PTAB and what this Bill wants you to do is you go to PTAB and you say, ‘I think I wasn’t properly assessed and here’s why.’ You don’t go there and say, ‘I’m not gonna tell you why I think I’m not properly assessed. I’m gonna hide it. I’m gonna keep it from ya.’ If you over there think you 09300035.doc 254  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 weren’t properly re…assessed, tell us. What are the grounds? So now the assessor, or whoever’s defending it, could look at it and say on behalf of all the other taxpayers because remember, if you get… if you get a reduction in PTAB, all everybody… all the other taxpayers have to make it up. So they have to be fair. They’re representing the people who are gonna make up this… this lowering. So, it only makes sense to me that this isn’t an adversary proceeding. This is fact finding. Were you assessed properly or were you not? Why do you think you weren’t? Here’s why we think you were. Everything should be out in the open. It shouldn’t be where we’re gonna keep it from ya and it’s fair that I should keep it from ya. It’s just the opposite. So, all this Bill says, when you go to PTAB and you want your taxes reduced and you say these are the seven reasons, then when you go to PTAB to argue it you stick with those seven reasons. You shouldn’t be able to surprise the assessor and surprise the other taxpayers. This isn’t that type of a thing. We’re not looking for surprises. It should all be laid out. We should see what it is. And if you lay it out and you weren’t fairly assessed you should get the reduction. That’s the American way. And I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

"And Representative Krause.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.” 09300035.doc 255  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"I’m sorry, Representative, can you repeat your question? Thank you.”

"Sure. Representative, the report itself asks for the total number of cases for commercial and industrial property requesting a reduction in assessed value or more for the last… for a hundred thousand dollars or more in the last five years. Right now the county really doesn’t have any idea…”

"… about thi… this information or these statistics. It also asks for the total number of cases for commercial and in… and industrial property decided by PTAB in the last five years and the total change in assessed value based on PTAB’s decisions for commercial and industrial property for the last five years. Now, a second part of the Bill requires that in counties with 3 million people or more that information be va… made available in an easier fashion 09300035.doc 256  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 through the Internet and would be distributed electronically to the county assessor, free of charge, with appeal information that contains the appeal year and docket number, the PTAB class and requested level of reduction, the appellant’s name, the preeminent index number or numbers, scheduled hearing dates relevant to that, fi… the final assessed value that’s determined by PTAB…”

"…the dates of closings, et cetera, et cetera.”

"So it’s a pretty complete list of info.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Mendoza to close.”

"I would just simply ask for everyone’s support on this Bill. I think it’s an important piece of legislation. And look forward to it passing out of here and moving onto the Senate. Thank you.” 09300035.doc 257  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"The questions is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 84 voting ‘yes’, 29 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Excuse me, Representative Moffitt, for what reason do you rise?”

"State your point.”

"Welcome back. Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?”

"Representative Feigenholtz, for what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you. I rise on a… for purpose of an announcement. Tomorrow there will be an informal meeting of the House Health and Human Services Appropriations 09300035.doc 258  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Committee at 8:30 at the Bloom Building, which is at Second and South Grand, in the first floor conference room. We’ll be meeting with Director Barry Marim and Micheal Woomen from CMS is also invited.”

Speaker Hannig: "Thank you, Representative. Representative Jones, did you indicate you’re ready on House Bill 3062? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Lou Jones.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 3062 amends the Child Care Act of 1969. It provides that DCFS must take certain steps to keep track of its wards who have been in placed in foster care by private child welfare agencies. It provides that if a child who is in a… who is a ward of… of the department is placed or transferred by a private child welfare agency, the department must verify that the child was either at that sight of the initial or transferred placement. This is a Bill that I was worked on with DCFS because of… there are children in the system that neither DCFS nor the… the private agency knew where they were at. This is just a sort of a tracking measure so we can know just where children’s at. Right now they said there’s 200… we have 214 missing children. All of those are not missing children. Some of those are runaways. And the foster parents failed to contact DCFS for fear that the check will stop. There’s also a measure in this Bill that says that 09300035.doc 259  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 if you do not report a child that has runaway… report it to the department that the child has runaway, then there are certain measures taken as far as that concern. And one of those is that the revocation of your license for foster care and also the stoppage of whatever payment is due for you for that child. And I ask for a favorable vote.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 3062. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise in support of the Lady’s Bill. In fact, I worked with Representative Jones and DCFS to help make this Bill a real solid piece of legislation. And I’m proud to have been helpful. As you all know, for some time we’ve had missing kids. DCFS can’t find these kids. DCFS worked with Representative Jones to make sure we crafted a Bill where there’s some real teeth where the foster parents have a responsibility to report if a child’s missing. And where DCFS has a responsibility to find these kids wherever they can find them. This is a very, very important piece of legislation, worked on very hard by the Sponsor. And I strongly urge your support.”

"Is there any further discussion? There being none, then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting 09300035.doc 260  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lyons, are you ready on House Bill 44? Okay. Out of the record, at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Miller on House Bill 3543. Want us to call that Bill, Representative? Out of the record. Representative Molaro on House Bill 1171. Out of the record. Representative Reitz on House Bill 3078. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Reitz.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3078 simply adds the… the emergency workers, the people that do our EMS work, to the… it’s a assembly Bill, yes. It adds that to, along with firemen and policemen, it’s anyone that obstructs them with their… in their duties as they go through their job. It allows the same penalties that we have for firemen and policemen. I think we’ve seen the work that emergency management people do in the State of Illinois. The other thing it does, it… it adds a new section that… it says, obstructing an emergency management worker will be a class… in its official capacity will be a Class A misdemeanor. And be… I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 3078. Is there any discussion? There being none, then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all 09300035.doc 261  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting ‘yes’, 6 voting ‘no’, 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Smith on House Bill 2216. Twenty-two sixteen. Representative Mike Smith. Excuse me, I… I’m sorry. That’s already passed. Mr. Clerk, what’s the status of House Bill 2376?”

Speaker Hannig: "Please move that to the order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 1648 please.”

"Representative Coulson on the Amendment.”

"Is there any discussion? And the question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; 09300035.doc 262  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Burke, would you like us to call House Bill 468 on Third Reading? Okay. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 1166?”

"Representative Colvin.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment to the Bill simply would make the language permissible in terms of who can be determined as the voter registration. In the original, the way the Bill was drafted, it was… it could’ve been inferred that the principal has to become a voter… the deputy registrar. The Amendment simply clarifies that language that the school principals… the high school principals either have the choice of becoming a deputy registrar or they may designate individuals in the school, whether they be a teacher, a coach, or a group where individuals that come into the school from in the community to do deputy registration… to be deputy registrars and register students to vote.” 09300035.doc 263  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Amendment. And on the Amendment, Representative Parke.”

"He indicated he’ll yield.”

"That’s correct. In terms of how this program would actually work… in the original Bill… and it was never intended that the school principal had to become a deputy registrar. But the Amendment simply clarified that language and makes it far permissible that the principal can ask teachers, whether it be students from the student council who are registered voters and become deputy registrars, work with the county clerk, or bring in a group from the community, whether it be the 4-H Club or a parent group to come in to be deputy registrars. The Amendment simply clarifies that and states it in plain English.”

"You know what? To be honest with you, I am not sure. They haven’t spoken to me since the Amendment. They spoke out against the… the committee because they thought that it may be a cost involved with this. But as we all know, being a deputy registrar costs no money to become a deputy registrar nor does it cost anything to actually register when someone to vote.” 09300035.doc 264  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative Parke, were you asking for a Roll Call vote or a voice vote?”

"Thank you, Representative.”

"So the question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2553?” 09300035.doc 265  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 244.”

"Yes, Repr… Representative Turner, for what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just… for a point of personal privilege. On the previous Bill, House Bill 3078, I inadvertently punched the ‘green’ button and I meant to vote ‘no’. I’d like for the Ro… Roll Call to reflect my ‘no’ vote instead of the ‘present’.”

Speaker Hannig: "Okay. The record… the Journal will so reflect. And Representative Franks on the Amendment.”

"Mr… thank you, Mr. Speaker. We passed this Amendment unanimously in state government this morning and I want to thank my Members of that committee. This Amendment is a genesis of the Speaker’s idea to go around the state and come up with the best practices for prescription drugs. We heard, at one of our many meetings that we had, what other states are doing in being able to use prescription drugs that have previously been prescribed been not had been used. Connecticut had a law dealing with nursing homes and 09300035.doc 266  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Ohio had a law, as well, dealing with the Drug Repository Program. What we did is we copied those two statutes from those two states to be able to utilize prescription drugs at little or no cost to the… to the end users that otherwise would not have been utilized. We understand this is gonna be a work in progress. We’d like to move this over to the Senate. There’s a question with… we met with FARMA this morning and they needed an Amendment dealing with liability. But we believe we’ll be able to get this done. So I’d be glad to answer any questions. But our intention is to move this to the Senate, hold it over there, and then make any necessary changes.”

"On the Amendment, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Yes, Sir.”

"No, Sir. This has nothing to do with the prescription buying club. What this has to do with… let’s say you’re in a nursing home and someone gets a 30-day supply of medication and it’s in a single-use package. And that person would die and then they have all this medication not 09300035.doc 267  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 been open in its original package. We’d like to be able to get that back to the… to the nursing home and have them give it to somebody else, as long as we follow certain procedures, make sure it’d never been open. If the integrity is there, it’s safe, and it’s usable we’d like to be able to use it instead of just throwing it out.”

"It… it has. It’s sort of been a hot topic around the country ‘cause there’s many states doing it. And we, under the Speaker’s guise when he told us to go find the best practices throughout the country, we came up with these two from Connecticut and Ohio.”

"You can look up on the board.”

"Look up on the board you can… you can see everyone.”

"Yeah, we could ask him to move out of the left lane into the right line.”

"Barely.”

Speaker Hannig: "They’re gloating over their victory last week.”

"Over there.”

"No, Sir.”

"Yes.”

"Thank you.”

"Thank you.” 09300035.doc 269  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"On the Amendment, Representative Stephens.”

"Not necessarily. It could be within the nursing home could do it themself if they’ve got someone… ‘cause I think right now when…if they’re at their nursing homes they get ‘em in bulk and then they package them anywhere… anyway there.”

"Right.”

"Yes.”

"Right.”

"I… I agree with what you’re saying because… we… this has to be done by agreement. And I think we have Department of Public Aid and we put the most stringent rules forward, obviously. And we’d welcome your expertise on that, Representative, if you’ve got ideas. But what we’d like to do is see what the other states are doing and try to put those same type of rules. If you think they need to be strengthened, that’s what we want to hear. I’m just worried about time because we… we get done next Friday here with our Bills. And I’d like to move it over there for that reason.”

"No. No, I wanted to move it to the Senate and let them fix it over there because I know we’re… frankly, this morning FARMA had an issue as did the pharmacists as well. I said we’re glad to… to work it out. And if we can’t then it won’t be time in the Senate, we’d ask for it not to be called there. But I’d just like to keep this moving while we can.”

"Okay. Thank you.”

"Representative Lyons.” Lyons, E.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" 09300035.doc 271  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"The Sponsor will yield." Lyons, E.: "Representative Franks, you and I have discussed my reservations about this Bill. But I would like to alert the Body that there is a real grave concern about liability.”

"Right.” Lyons, E.: "And who would be liable if these drugs are then transferred to… to someone… some other patient? And I know at this point you have not addressed that concern but you are saying that you will?”

"Yes. I… because when I met with FARMA this morning I… obviously, this is a donative program. The only way anyone’s gonna have any liability if it’s willfull and wanton. That’s… that’s what we’re saying. We’re not… we don’t want to punish people that are doing good here. And we want to make sure that it’s protected. And they told me that they’ve worked out language in other states already on this very issue. So, I’m confident we’ll be able to do that.” Lyons, E.: "Well, that’s why I was initially supportive of this concept ‘cause I was interested in the same Bill. But… and I know Ohio has a program. And… but, apparently, this is not reflect… truly reflective of Ohio’s legislation because it does not contain anything about liability.”

"I wanted it… that’s news to me. I wanted it to… to be reflective of Ohio. It’s missing that component, believe me, I want the component back in with the… with the liability clause.” 09300035.doc 272  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Lyons, E.: "The other issue I’m concerned about, too, is the… who would monitor the life expectancy or the potency of these drugs, whether they… the potency has expired? That’s another…”

"That’s already in the Bill and it’s… it’s Department of Public Aid, I think, would be doing that. I think that they have strict requirements of when they can bring it back. It has to be, I think, before 90 days, if I’m… if I’m correct, before the expiration date. And in the nursing homes the expiration dates are actually shorter than the manufacturer’s date.” Lyons, E.: "Okay, but they couldn’t automatically be transferred to another patient. Perhaps that patient…”

"No.” Lyons, E.: "…might be allergic.”

"Right. Oh, absolutely. That’s only done by prescription by your doctor through a… through a pharmacy, that’s it.” Lyons, E.: "Okay, so…”

"Or… or a nursing home, as they already do it. Or a clinic where a doctor’s prescribing.” Lyons, E.: "Now, are the pharmaceutical companies responsible for repackaging?”

"No. No.” Lyons, E.: "How would that work?”

"For instance, in the nursing home, the nursing home would be the one who would repackage. But the pharmacy would be the one to insure the viability. Right, and… and 09300035.doc 273  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 there may… that’s a good point. There may not be any repackaging because we’re saying it has to be in the original package, it can’t be adulterated at all, if it’s opened it can’t be used. We’re talking original packaging.” Lyons, E.: "Okay. So that’s in the legislation as well?”

"Yes. Yes.” Lyons, E.: "Okay. Well, my biggest concern is the liability issue. And you said you’re going to address that so I… as I said, this is a great concept. Rather than wasting that kind of medicine and prescriptions we should be able to find use for it in the appropriate manner. So, I would hope that we can come up with an agreed Bill in the end. Thank you.”

"Thank you.”

"On the Amendment, Representative Myers.”

Speaker Hannig: "And on the Amendment, Representative Mulligan.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"I’m… I’m sorry, I… I couldn’t hear you.”

"I am not aware of any legislation in 92nd General Assembly.”

"Sure. And… and the departments are gonna be the ones who are setting these standards. I presume they’re not going to be in violation of Federal Law. And… and to following up briefly on what Representative Myers said as well, what I met with the… with FARMA this morning I told them to choose the Sponsor who they’d like to work with and they chose Carol Ronen over there to work with her. And I’ve already spoke with her this…” Lyons, E.: "All right.”

"…this morning about that.” Lyons, E.: "That would be good. And the department did not state that in committee today, that they thought there would be a problem?”

"They… nobody testified on behalf of the departments.” Lyons, E.: “Okay, except that there’s a lot of new people there. So it would be just good to check on it.”

"Sure. Sure.” Lyons, E.: "Thank you.”

"Any further discussion? Then the que… then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Re… so Representative Franks.” 09300035.doc 276  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Yup?”

"Representative Franks, there’s been a request for fiscal notes. So, the… yeah. So the Bill can now move to Third at this time. Representative Hamos, do you want us to move House Bill 2202 to Third? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Currie on House Bill 2545. Would you like to adopt the Amendment? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Okay, I’ve been advised we’ve… we’ve adopted this Amendment. Mr… Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2545?”

Speaker Hannig: "Okay. Then, we’ll leave it there. Representative Jakobsson on House Bill 344. Do you want us to move that to Third? Okay, that’ll stay on Second then. Out of the record. Representative Joyce on House Bill 3527. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Mathias on House Bill 2088. Do you want to adopt the Amendment? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Mathias.”

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative McGuire, would you like us to move House Bill 3398? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Morrow. Charles Morrow on House Bill 2461. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Representative Novak, on House Bill 360. Do you want to move it to Third? Out of the record. Representative Osterman, on House Bill 2526. Out of the record. Excuse me. Oh, there’s Representative Osterman. He’d like us to move the Bill? Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2526? Okay. Representative, that has been moved already. I’m… the Chair was in error. House Bill 20… 2818. Representative Phelps, would you like us to move that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300035.doc 278  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Third Reading. Representative Rita on House Bill 2490. Would you like us to move it? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. And Representative Slone on House Bill 220. Representative Slone. Is the Lady in the chamber? There she is. Would you like us to move that to Third? Okay. Out of the record. And… and Mr. Clerk, let’s see… Representative Soto. Representative Soto, I believe, would like us to call House Joint Resolution 28. Representative Soto on House Joint Resolution 28.”

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. House Joint Resolution 28 seeks to commemorate the labor union organizer Cesar Chavez. And this Bill will make Cesar Chavez’s birthday commemorable on March 31. Cesar Chavez’s leadership in inveighing against racial and economic discrimination set a precedent. Many of our men and women in labor use that today. The nonviolent nature of this protest for labor rights makes his life something we should celebrate in Illinois. His dedication and leadership extend beyond racial bounds and into the hearts of the 09300035.doc 279  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 community leaders across the nation. I ask this General Assembly to recognize the 31 years of Cesar Chavez… I… I’m sorry. I ask this General Assembly to recognize 31 years Cesar Chavez spent forging a legacy of service, conviction and principle, leadership, and adopt House Joint Resolution 28. I urge your support and I thank you for your support.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Lady has moved for passage of this adoption of House Joint Resolution 28. And on that question, Representative Kurtz.”

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Black. The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Correct.”

"It’s only commemorative, Representative.”

"Correct.”

"Nothing at all.”

"No, thank you.”

"Is there any further discussion? Then there being none, the question is, ‘Shall House Joint Resolution 28 be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Resolution is adopted.”

"Mr. Clerk, would… what is the status of… of House Bill 2298? 2298. Represen…”

"Go ahead.”

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Coulson, would you like to adopt the Amendment and move that to Third? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

"Representative Coulson.”

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Colvin, would you like us to move House Bill 3530 from Second to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. And Representative Hamos, would you like us to move 3695 to Third Reading? Okay, we’ll hold the Bill for the Amendment then. We’ll hold that Bill. Representative Joyce on House Bill 2971. Do you want us to move that from Second to Third? Out of the record. Representative McGuire on House Bill 3675. From 09300035.doc 282  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 Second to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Okay, I’ve been advised we did move that Bill earlier. Representative Slone on House Bill 3313. Would you like us to move from Second to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. Representative Nekritz on House Bill 2187. Should we move from Second to Third? Okay, out of the record. Representative Osterman on House Bill 2630. Okay, out of the record. Representative Turner, do you want us to move House Bill 1119 from Second to Third? Second to Third. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Representative Currie, do you want us to move 3553 from Second to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. And Representative Feigenholtz, would you like to move House Bill 2185? The Rules Committee has approved your Amendment. Mr. Clerk, 09300035.doc 283  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 would you read the Bill? Okay. Mr. Clerk, would you read the… would you read the Rules Report?”

"Okay, we have three Bills that are on the Agreed Bill List that have received ‘do adopt’ recommendations from the Rules Committee for pending Amendments. And the first is House Bill 2185. And Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?”

"Representative Sara Feigenholtz.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 amends the Blindness Prevention Fund which is the underlying Bill. Essentially what it does is restructure the way that the 09300035.doc 284  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 program would be implemented. And I’d be glad to answer any questions. It is now an agreed Resolution…”

"Is there any discussion?”

"…agreed Amendment.”

Speaker Hannig: "Is there any discussion? Representative Parke.”

" Indicates she’ll yield.”

"Representative, I designed this Bill so that it would be cost neutral. I have not gotten any indication from the Secretary of State’s Office that it would be otherwise.”

"This is a… the same… this Bill has actually been drafted to emulate the Bill that Representative Tom Cross passed about juvenile diabetes about three weeks ago. I believe that the Amendment creates a mechanism that a… improves or offsets whatever potential costs my underlying Bill may have had.”

"I said… I said I think that this Amendment straightens out any cost that this might have had.”

"I… Representative Parke, I don’t have a fiscal note on this Bill. Perhaps you know something I don’t, but 09300035.doc 285  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003 this Amendment really just changes the mechanics of how this program would be run.”

Speaker Hannig: "All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. And Representative Meyer, we’re gonna call House Bill 3095. And the Amendment is now out of the Rules Committee. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

"Representative Meyer.”

Speaker Hannig: "All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 3325 for Representative Biggins.” 09300035.doc 286  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day 3/26/2003

"Representative Biggins.”

"Is there any discussion? The question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 120?”

"Move that back to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, would you read the House Committee schedule for tomorrow?”

"Are there any announcements? There being nothing further, Representative Currie moves that, allowing perfunctory time for the House, that the House stand adjourned until Thursday, the 27th of March, at the hour of 10 a.m. All in favor of the Motion say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the House stands adjourned.”