Illinois House Floor Debate — March 31, 2004

"The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We ask the Members and our guests in the gallery to turn off their laptop computers, their cell phones and their pages. And we ask the guests in the gallery to rise and join us for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. We shall be led in prayer today by Father Michael Garanzini, the President of Loyola University in Chicago. Father Garanzini is the guest of Speaker Madigan.”

"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Slone.” Slone – et al: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record reflect that Representatives Steve Davis and Morrow are excused today.”

"Mr. Bost.”

"The Clerk shall take the record. There being 116 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. The Chair recognizes Representative Slone for the purpose of an announcement.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would like to recognize the Richwoods Social Survey Class and Ms. Reed, their teacher and my son, Sydney Berkman, who are here with us observing in the chamber today. Welcome to Springfield.”

"Mr. Mitchell.” Mitchell, B.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of personal privilege. I’d like to introduce to the Illinois 09300113.doc 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 House… I have two groups from Heyworth, Illinois in McLean County. I would like to introduce if they would stand over… up there, Ida Hays and Chelsea Walls, they’re young students, a junior and a sophomore at Heyworth High School and they came to talk to me about volunteerism. So, I appreciate our time. Let’s give them a big Illinois welcome.”

"Mr. Mitchell.” Mitchell, B.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a busy day in my district this morning. I’d also like to introduce, I’ve got some teachers from Mt. Zion in the Decatur area that came to talk about school funding. So, just give them a big welcome. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.”

"Representative Gordon.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of personal privilege.”

"State your point.”

“Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I have with me a very special group today. It is a Cub Scout Pack from Minooka, Illinois, Pack 464. They are a state award winning Cub Scout Pack for their efforts in recycling with the environment. Please stand up everyone. Not only, they received the Director’s Green Youth Award from the Illinois EPA. It was presented by the director as well as the Governor. They’ve also received the Illinois Recycles For Our Future patches from the Illinois Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. They help with recycling printer cartridges and cell phones which we all know helps in several, several wonderful projects in our… in our 09300113.doc 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 districts. I would ask to give them a warm welcome to Springfield and thank them for their efforts.”

"Representative May.”

“Point of personal privilege…”

"State your point.”

“…please, Mr. Speaker. Today is the birthday of former State Representative Dan Pierce and I’d like those of you on the floor who remember him and love him and revere him to wish him a happy birthday. I don’t know that he’s in the gallery, but I know he’s listening in. He served 20 years with distinction in the House and has been the Mayor of Highland Park for two terms. And I think he’s staying young by running for sanitary district again. Happy birthday, Dan.”

"Mr. Clerk.”

"Representative Hannig in the Chair. On the Order of Third Readings, on page 11 of the Calendar, Representative Bost on House Bill 4959. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

"Representative Bost.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 4959. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Excuse me, Representative Moffitt, do you have a dis… a question?”

"Or a comment?”

"Proceed. To the Bill.”

"Thank you, Representative Moffitt. And now the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Kelly. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Chapa LaVia on House Bill 4372. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?” 09300113.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Representative Chapa LaVia.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. The Bill is… House Bill 4372 that we’re discussing, it includes Illinois Military Reserve members under the Service Men’s Employment Tenure Act. Currently, only active members of the military are afforded this protection under this Act. The Service Men’s Employment Tenure Act offers protection to serve… service men and women who are active duty that includes a return to their job without loss of status, seniority or wages with appropriate increases, a stay of prosecution for failing to meet court obligations while the member was on active duty, a full ru… refund of tuition paid to any Illinois public university or college due to a call to active duty. Statutes currently state, the military members are only covered when they are called to active duty by the Governor. House Bill 4372 will make a change to include coverage for military members who are called to federal active duty by the President of the United States or active duty in Illinois by the Governor. Those affected by this legislation will include all of our service men and service women in the Illinois National Guard, which I was in, and also in the Illinois Air National Guard. The President of the United States and top military personnel have grown more and more reliant on calling on reservists’ units to active duty to face conflicts. Our reserve units are not just being called 09300113.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 into active duty on a more… they’re being called more and more on a frequent basis. But, when they are deployed to active duty they are away for longer and longer periods of time than ever before. Approximately 11 thousand Illinois reservists are on active duty today. This is an important piece of legislation to protect those individuals which protect us. I request an ‘aye’ vote.”

"And on that question, Representative Kelly. Representative Kelly, do you wish to speak on this?”

“No, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to be recorded as a ‘yes’ on 4959. Sorry.”

"The record will so reflect your intention. Is there any discussion on House Bill 4372? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mitchell, would you like to vote? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Churchill on House Bill 4019. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Churchill.”

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Hoffman. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4234 for Representative Flider.”

"Representative Flider.” 09300113.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4234 would enable those companies who had manufacturer’s purchase credits on those books as of the period in which they were repealed on September 30, 2003 to utilize them for a two-year period which would extend from that period beginning 2003 and would allow them to be utilized through… excuse me, September 30, 2005. These are credits that many manufacturers had on their books when the Legislature passed the law last year to repeal them. And would like an opportunity for those companies who had them to be able to utilize them. And I would appreciate the Body’s support. Thank you.”

Speaker Hannig: "And on that question, Representative Bill Mitchell is recognized.” Mitchell, B.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.” Mitchell, B.: “Representative Flider, I appreciate your… this Bill. I think this’ll help out the area that… that we represent in Macon County, which has a… a large number of manufacturers. If I could, how much… when you reinstate this how much would this, ‘cost the State of Illinois?’”

“According to the fiscal note that was filed the…” Mitchell, B.: “I’m sorry, I can’t hear, Mr. Speaker.”

"Can we have a little order in the chamber, please? Little order, please? Represen…”

“According to the fiscal note that was filed in terms of the tax credit it could cost… it could result in 09300113.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 negative fiscal impact of 20 to $25 million in fiscal year 2005. I would suggest, however, that that amount would be significantly minimized if businesses were indeed spending money because in order to achieve the $20 million that we’re discussing in revenue loss a business would have to spend $320 million. In order to achieve the $25 million in revenue loss that’s being discussed, a business would have to spend $400 million. That’s money that would ripple through the economy and that would be utilized to maintain jobs. It would be utilized to spend dollars and it would create new tax opportunities for state and local government.” Mitchell, B.: “So, you said, Representative, it’s 20, 25 million, is that what you said was the answer?”

“I’m… what I suggested to you is that’s what the… what I stated to you is that that is what the Department of Revenue stated.” Mitchell, B.: “Right.”

“And what I’m suggesting to you is that I believe that that amount would be significantly minimized if businesses, in fact, spent $320 million to $400 million which would be the amount they’d spend, which would be the amount that would be used to determine the 20 to $25 million impact.” Mitchell, B.: “Well, I… I… and I absolutely agree with you. I said… what’s happened… what’s happened in the last year, year and a half is with these tax increases on employers who’ve lost jobs. And so this is the kind of legislation that, hopefully, if the Governor signs it, will create jobs 09300113.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 for our area in central Illinois which is… had been adversely affected by some of these policies. Representative… and I’ve known you and I consider you a friend and I know that this Bill is sponsored in good faith, I’ve known you for 15 years. Have you talked to the… to the Governor about this and will he sign this legislation?”

“My understanding is at this time is that the Governor’s Office has some concerns about the legislation. Whether he will sign it, I do not know.” Mitchell, B.: “Have you talked to Senator Jones about this legislation?”

“No, I have not.” Mitchell, B.: “So, do you… what is your… the likelihood of passage in the State Senate and the Governor signing this legislation?”

“I have no idea. I cannot predict that.” Mitchell, B.: “So… why I ask, Representative, and if I can go to the Bill. I was in a little town right outside, really in the shadow of the Capitol, Buffalo, Illinois, last week and I had the Mayor of Illiopolis. And he was talking to me… and he was talking… he said, ‘What about the fee increases, the NPDES?’ I said, ‘Well… he says, ‘I know that’s passed the Illinois House, what’s that going to mean to the Village of Illiopolis?’ And I said, ‘Well, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s been heard in the Senate and I don’t know where the Governor is, but I doubt the Governor’s for that.’ The Illinois House has passed a 09300113.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 repeal of the rolling stock, we passed the repeal of the… the… the sewage fees, now we’re passing this. All good legislation that this side of the aisle believes in. All legislation that we think will create jobs. But what the people in my district and I’m sure the 101st district, they asked is the bottom line, will this become law? Will the Governor sign this? Will the Governor give a break to the taxpayers of Illinois and create jobs? Will the Governor sign this?”

“You know, if I were the Governor I’d be able to answer that question. However, what I would suggest to you is that if this Bill passes the House and then it passes the Senate, you contact the Governor and encourage him to sign it.” Mitchell, B.: “Oh, I have… and… and I will. But for the people I represent in central Illinois, that they get their hopes up, they get their hopes up where we’re repealing rolling stock, manufacturer tax credit, all these others, sewage fees. I think when we’ve passed it and we’re serious about it. I’m serious about creating jobs in Illinois as I know you are, Representative Flider. But, will this… is this just for show or are we gonna do something for the people of Illinois?”

“Well, ya know, I wouldn’t have introduced it if I didn’t think that would be the case.” Mitchell, B.: “Very good. I… I appreciate… appreciate this. Do you believe that the fee increases, the tax increases that we passed in the General Assembly, my side of the 09300113.doc 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 aisle didn’t vote for it, was that a bad thing? Did that cost Illinois jobs?”

“Well, Representative, I think that you are trying to have a debate on some other issues that are…” Mitchell, B.: “No, I’m having a debate on…”

“…different…” Mitchell, B.: “…the manufacturer’s tax credit. Did it cost jobs in Illinois? Did it cost jobs in Macon County?”

“Maybe you can tell me.” Mitchell, B.: “Well, I know that our…”

“Maybe you know the answer.” Mitchell, B.: “…I know our employment’s up, but I wanted to know from the Sponsor of the Bill, did this cost jobs for the people of the State of Illinois?”

“I’d be happy to tell you how this Bill came to be Repre… came to be introduced. This Bill was… came to be introduced by somebody who approached me about their concern about losing manufacturer’s purchase credits on their balance sheet.” Mitchell, B.: “Great. What I… so this job… if it passes the House, will it pass the Senate and will the Governor sign this legislation?”

“Again, I can’t answer that question.” Mitchell, B.: “Okay. Thank you. I… Representative Flider, I appreciate your work on this. This is a good Bill. I know you’re concerned about jobs in central Illinois. I thank you and I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Thank you, Representative.” 09300113.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Representative Hoffman.”

“To the previous questioner, I can answer the question. No, the Governor’s not gonna sign this Bill. This is gonna cost the state, I believe this one will cost 25 million. We did one yesterday that’s gonna cost the state 350 million over 10 years. So, now I guess we’ll balance the budget by keep giving givebacks to businesses. So, I ask on this side of the aisle to vote with fiscal restraint. Let’s do this at the end of the budgetary Session… or the end of Session when we do the budget, the way we’re supposed to instead of passing Bills and putting out press releases.”

"Representative Stephens.”

Speaker Hannig: "Thank you, Representative Stephens. Representative Flider to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would encourage an ‘aye’ vote on this Bill. I do understand that there is a fiscal impact that has been stated, but I also believe that when businesses have an incentive to spend dollars in production-related equipment and facilities that could relate to job growth and when they have these assets on their books and were in some cases poised to do that, but perhaps were not able to do so because of the planning cycle of their business. They were perhaps not prepared to deal with the loss of the credits. So, this Bill simply would give them an opportunity to have a little bit larger, 09300113.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 little bit longer planning horizon for credits that they had earned in good faith. And I would appreciate the support of the Body. Thank you.”

"The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4234 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 87 voting ‘yes’, 22 voting ‘no’ and 6 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4612. Representative Coulson.”

"Representative Coulson.”

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Eddy, for what reason do you rise?” 09300113.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

Speaker Hannig: "Okay. And the record will reflect your intentions. Representative Washington, for what reason do you rise?”

“Mr. Speaker, I rise to table House Bill 5105.”

"Representative, could you just come up here and give this to the… my assistant here and we’ll keep a list of Bills you wish to table? We’ll get to that later. Now, on the Order of Third Reading, House Bill 3981. Representative Fritchey. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Representative Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Speaker, Members of the General Assembly. House Bill 3981 tries to take on at least a portion of the issue of frivolous lawsuits by precluding lawsuits based on obesity-related health claims against restaurants. Our restaurants, especially the independents in this state, have enough to deal with in tough economic times and with soaring costs in a lot of different fronts, without having to take on the additional cost of unnecessary lawsuits. We have tailored this piece of legislation to be limited simply to restaurants. There is no opposition that I am aware of. The tri… I’ve worked with the trial lawyers, they are neutral on this Bill. The Bill came out of 09300113.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 committee unanimously. Would be happy to answer any questions. Thank you.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 3981. And on that question, Representative Parke.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

“I was not aware of that. I find it odd that they would be. The manufacturers were originally in the Bill which would have put them in a better place than they are today. But, by taking them back out of the Bill the landscape does not change for them from the way that it’s been for decades in this state. So, I don’t why they’re… they may be disappointed, but I don’t know why they’d be opposed.”

“The… Amendment 1 limited the scope of the Bill which had originally precluded lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors and sellers of food. And we’ve narrowed this down simply to protect the restaurant industry in Illinois. So, the manufacturers would no longer be shielded from liability, but they aren’t shielded from that liability today.”

“Thank you.” 09300113.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Representative Eileen Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong support of this legislation. I think this nation has got to get away from this new culture where people always try to play the victim and blame others for their problems. Litigation against the food industry is not going to make a single individual any skinnier. It will only make the trial lawyers’ bank accounts fatter. This debate is all about personal responsibility. And I commend the Sponsor for sponsoring it. Thank you.”

"Representative Fritchey to close.”

“Thank you. As the previous speaker said, this, I think recognizes that not every problem necessitates a defendant in a lawsuit. However, to clarify one of her comments, though. I would actually like to commend the trial lawyers for working with me to come up with a agreeable piece of legislation which removed their opposition. I think that they recognize that not every piece of legislation reform initiative is necessarily a bad idea. This to the contrary is a very good idea. And I request your support. Thank you.”

"The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Okay. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional 09300113.doc 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 6679 for Representative Mitchell.”

"Representative Mitchell.” Mitchell, B.: “Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 6679 is… right now, is a shell Bill. What we intend to do… it’s a product of the House Republican Task Force on Economic Development for the rural areas that Representative Cross created about a year ago. It’s really the capstone of our legislative agenda in terms for job growth here in Illinois. What we’ve done is that… they indicated the Speaker would like to work with us as well as the Governor’s Office, so we shelled the language, took all the language out. And we’ve indicated… the Governor’s Office has indicated that they would like to work with us on this legislation. I commit that it’ll only have in terms of job creation language in it. I look forward to working with Governor Blagojevich’s Office to see what their ideas are. And I urge an ‘aye’ vote. Illinois needs this.”

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Last call. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 94 voting ‘yes’ and 21 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a 09300113.doc 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5058? Representative Mendoza.”

“Okay. Mr. Clerk, let’s take that Bill out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Would you read House Bill 5884? Representative Nekritz.”

"Out of the rec…”

"…out of the record, Mr. Clerk, at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Washington, do you have an interest in calling House Bill 5105? I’m sorry, that’s the one you indicated you wanted to table. My… my apologies. Representative… Representative Mulligan on House Bill 6920. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Representative Rosemary Mulligan.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 6920. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 09300113.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘Shall this Bill…. Excuse me. Representative Joseph Lyons on this question.” Lyons, J.: “Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"She indicates she’ll yield.” Lyons, J.: “Representative, on our analysis it shows that the Department of Public Health is a… is an opponent to this Bill. Is there a fiscal impact on this? Has that been cleared… the hurdle or what’s the status of that?”

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Scully, Myers, please record yourselves. 09300113.doc 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lou Jones on House Bill 4179. Would you like us to call that Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Lou Jones.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 4179 is the… is gonna be the banking development Bill that I carried last year that the Governor did Amendatory Veto on. I’m doing it over again this year and it’s a shell and I would like permission to pass out the shell to the Senate because the Treasurer’s Office along with our tech review staff are working on the language for the Bill. But right now, it is a shell Bill. But, that was… will be on it is that banking development Bill.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4179. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… the Clerk take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting ‘yes’, 50 voting ‘no’, 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4718 for Representative Myers?” 09300113.doc 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Representative Myers.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 4718. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor…. Excuse me. Representative Franks, on this….”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Sorry, Mr. Myers. I’m trying to figure out exactly what this Bill does. I’m reading the analysis. And… are we reducing the threshold for the cost of medical assistance to be paid by public aid from $25 hundred to $5 hundred for someone who’s incarcerated?”

“When you talk about the threshold, dropping it back down to $5 hundred, what… where is that threshold now?”

“Now, why is there even a threshold that if… if these folks were out on the street and Medicaid would pay for it anyway, why is there a threshold? That’s… I’m trying to figure this out.”

“Okay. Thank you for explaining the Bill. I was just confused when I was reading it. So, I appreciate you…”

“…taking the time.”

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On 09300113.doc 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 this question, there are 92 voting ‘yes’, 20 voting ‘no’ and 3 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 5058.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Mendoza.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 5058 creates the Comprehensive Older Adults Services and Care Planning Committee whose long-term goal is that… the development, availability and accessibility of a comprehensive, affordable and sustainable long-term care system in Illinois. It’s envisioned that the redesign will encompass all aspects of delivery of services and care to older adults, whether these services and care are provided in the home, community or a residential facility. The planning committee will be comprised of directors of the Department of Aging, the Departments of Public Aid and the Department of Public Health, one representative from public aid, Public Health, Veterans Affairs, Human Services, Insurance, Commerce & Economic Affairs, Aging, the state ombudsman and the Housing Finance Authority all of whom will be nonvoting members. One member representing providers funded by the Federal Older Americans Act, one member representing providers from… funded by the Community Care Program, one member from provid… representing providers funded by Title 13 of the Social Security Act… Title 18, I’m sorry. One 09300113.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 member representing nursing homes, one member representing assisted living and shared housing facilities, one member representing supportive living facilities, one member representing community-based residential facilities and one member with special ex… expertise in gerontology research or health law and two Illinois seniors. The committee shall meet at least quarterly and must report to the General Assembly on January 1 of each year regarding the committee’s progress and recommendation. This is one of the COWL initiatives and I would be happy to answer any questions. Would just ask for your favorable consideration today. Thank you.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 5058. And on that question, Representative Parke.”

"Mr. Clerk, could you give us the status of Floor Amendment 2? Has that been adopted to the Bill?”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

“That’s correct, Representative.”

“Not on this Bill. There is no fiscal impact on this Bill, Representative. The departments as well, in case you were wondering, are neutral on it and we have a lot of support from the senior industry.”

“The Department of Aging is the lead agency on this.”

“Once a year, I believe it’s January 1 of each year.”

“And that will give us… January 1 of each year the committee will report to us on their progress and any recommendations they may have.”

“Absolutely.”

“Thank you.”

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

“Representative, I completely support your Bill, but I… I have a question. I noticed on my analysis that the Department on Aging has no position on this Bill. Is that correct?”

“That is correct.” 09300113.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“They’re not for it, they’re not against it? They had nothing to say about this very comprehensive Bill dealing with senior citizens in the State of Illinois?”

“Well, they were working with us very closely. We’ve gone through different, I guess, versions of the Bill and at this point… they originally had… had some concerns, but we worked all those out. And they’re continuing to work with us as it moves out of this esteemed Body and goes over to the Senate.”

“So, they worked with you…”

“Yes.”

“…but they have no position on the Bill?”

“I know, explain that one to me, but…”

“Well, I… I… you know. I’m for your Bill, I just find that to be baffling, but we’ll leave cynics to discuss that.”

“Hopefully, by the end of this they’ll be like our number one proponent.”

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4558?”

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Pihos.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4558. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Froehlich. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4566?”

"Representative Lou Jones, do you wish…”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 4566 is the juvenile expungement Bill that I had last year… in the Session last year that got bogged down because of some difficulty as to how to do the expungement. Over 09300113.doc 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 the summer, I met with both… people from both sides of the aisles and I want to take this opportunity to thank both sides of the aisles who came to the hearings and we worked out some of the problems we had along with Dorothy Brown’s office, the clerk, Carla Bender’s office, Dick Devine’s office. And now, as I speak, we have no opponents to the Bill. And the curr… number one, let me make this perfectly clear, we’re not expanding any offenses. Everything stays just like they are. There was some concern about how to do the expungement, one of’em was information. And we resolved this… we resolved the information, how to get the information out to the younger person to let’em know that they’re… that they had a right for expungement and how to do it. The… this Bill allows them to waive the… they can… the fees for expungement can be waived for… indigent juveniles now can get their records expunged like anyone else that can pay for the fee or for the petition of the lawyer. I guess the main thing it does is allows them to go forward without an attor… without an attorney. It also says that at the time of whatever sentences the judge gives the juvenile, he will tell them after he has… they have completed everything that they… that they are reprimanded to do, then they are able to have their records expunged. And I ask for a favorable vote.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4566. And on that question, Representative Parke is recognized.”

"She indicates she will yield.”

“It does not require expunging, it allows them to petition for expungement.”

“It does not require expungement, it allows them to petition for expungement.”

“Yes, it does.”

“I don’t have the slightest idea.”

“I think… they’re not opposed to the Bill. And Representative, I think that was the original Bill before I put the Amendment on.”

Speaker Hannig: "Thank you, Representative Parke. Representative Howard.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

"To the Bill.” 09300113.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“The Sponsor of this Bill has worked long and hard to try to… to bring about some equity. There are those young people whose families were able to make certain that their records were expunged early on because they had the… the wherewithal… the financial wherewithal to hire an attorney or to do whatever was necessary to make sure that they could get those records taken care of. And those young people could get on with their lives. This Bill is gonna make it possible for individuals whose families don’t have that financial wherewithal to get their records cleared. I really commend the Sponsor for all the hard work. I’m certainly appreciative of all of the entities that came together to make sure that this was going to be possible. I certainly hope that all persons in this House will give it a ‘green’ vote. Thank you.”

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Parke, you had spoken in debate, for what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you, Representative Parke…”

"…for that clarification. Further discussion? Representative Lindner.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.” 09300113.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Yes, I have.”

“To my knowledge, right now as we speak, there is no opposition to the Bill.”

"Representative Lang.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to support this fine Bill and to commend the Sponsor. We’ve had expungement Bills around here before, but this is a real mine field. Representative Jones should really be thanked for working this Bill through, staff should be thanked for making this happen. And this should receive every ‘green’ vote.”

"Representative Eileen Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you… Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, rise in strong support of this legislation. As Minority Spokesman of the Juvenile Justice Committee I want to assure Members how hard this Sponsor has worked on this Bill. She has worked with the circuit clerks, she has worked with the State Police, she has worked with everybody involved in 09300113.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 this issue. And want to assure Members that this is a good Bill and I would urge their support.”

"Representative Giles.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I simply want to echo some of the same sentiments. My colleague, I think she has done an excellent job working on this piece of legislation. As an African American who has to… who represent a district in which we deal with many of these issues where a young individuals who have made mistakes early on in life, these various convictions were not serious, that they should have a second opportunity to… to be employed in this state and in this country. So, I would like to commend the Sponsor and… and as Chairman of the Illinois Legislative Black Caucus this is an issue that affect all of the African- American community and of course, other minority communities as well. So, once again, I think this is long time coming. I’m… I’m glad to see that this legislation has taken the proper steps. But, nevertheless, it also grew long wings to… to fly out of this chamber and of course, onto the… eventually pass out of the Senate and on the Governor’s desk. So, once again, I commend the Sponsor and all Members who have worked on this piece of legislation.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Millner.”

"Representative Delgado.”

“Mr. Speaker, since we have no opposition, I move the previous question.”

"Why don’t we just… there are no other people asking to speak, so why don’t we just go to the Roll Call on this Bill. So, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4566 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 102 voting ‘yes’, 14 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Poe, would you like us to call House Bill 4287? Mr. Clerk, would you read that Bill?”

"The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Poe.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 4287. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On…. Take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Gordon, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of pers… point of personal privilege.”

"State your point.”

“Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, there’s a very special group of my… my constituents here today. They are very, very easy to see as they are wearing bright 09300113.doc 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 yellow T-shirts asking us to ‘Save Our Schools’. They are obviously interested in education and this group includes not only the teachers and the educators, but also their superintendent is here, there are several students that are here, there are school board members that are here, there are concerned parents and there are concerned citizens. Specifically, I would like to address the youngest member of their group, his name is Taylor, he’s in the fifth grade and it is his 11th birthday. And when I went to visit his class he told me that as part of this birthday present his parents were going to allow him to come here today. And I commend him for thinking of it as a gift to come down and watch the process in motion. And I ask you to welcome… ask you to welcome them all to Springfield.”

Speaker Hannig: "Welcome to Springfield. Representative Pritchard, for what reason do you rise?”

"State your point.”

"Welcome to Springfield. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4059?” 09300113.doc 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Representative Jakobsson.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill would require health insurance companies to disclose what they pay out in claims over a past year. Health care costs in this state are out of control, we can’t wait any longer to come up with solutions to this mounting problem. This legislation is a great way to lower costs of health care for providers, employers and employees. It will require medical insurance companies to disclose the amount of money spent on claims, payouts over the past year. And by doing that it will allow businesses to shop around for lower rates. I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4059. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

"She indicates she will yield.”

“They’re supposed to disclose what they’ve paid out over the last year to the person buying that insurance… to the employer… the employer who’s providing the insurance for the employees. And it’s summary health information only. This… if you look at Amendment #3, you’ll notice 09300113.doc 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 that we’re definitely taking into consideration the HIPAA and it’s summary information only.”

“No.”

“This is defined by Federal Law. The provisions are permitted now…”

“…they’re authorized under the Federal Law, but these provisions would be mandatory then under the State Law.”

“No. It’s summary… it’s summary health information only. It does not identify the individuals, it does not identify the illness.”

“I’m not really sure if that’s the case with the Amendment, but I believe that this Bill is good, it will make our insurance more competitive.”

“Blue Cross-Blue Shield of Illinois is in… is neutral on this. I was approached by an individual who told me that.”

“Yes.”

“This is already permitted under Federal Law and some are complying. I mean, I’ve talked to people who sell insurance and they say, ‘But, this is already done.’ It’s done by some insurance companies, but not by all. This Bill would then mandate that all insurance companies disclose that information.”

"To the Bill.”

"Is there any further discussion? Any further discussion? Representative Jakobsson to close.”

“Thank you. Once again…”

Speaker Hannig: "Excuse me, Representative Jakobsson, Representative Black is a little slow on his light so let’s give him an opportunity in fairness. So, Representative Black.”

“It’s… remember it’s summary health information only and the Amendment makes it very clear that an individual cannot be identified nor the illness… nor the illness. And the information has to held in confidence, that’s also part of this Amendment.”

“And I would like to add that I have been working with Senator Winkel on this, he’s gonna be working in the Senate.” 09300113.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“This is modeled after a law in Texas.”

“Well, that’s why I wanted to be sure to tell you… it’s modeled after one in the State of Texas.”

“Sure, that’s a fair assumption.”

“No.”

“I’m not aware of any conflicts…”

“…there was nothing brought out in committee.”

"Repre… Representative Jakobsson to close.”

“Thank you. I will repeat and maybe I’ll repeat it more than once. This does not allow anyone to get into your medical records. The provisions are mandatory… are already authorized under the Federal Law, we have the HIPAA that we must follow. This will not disclose personal information about anyone’s medical records. What this will do is allow the small employer to be able to shop around, get competitive prices so that they can provide health insurance for their employees. And I think by doing this not only will people who are already covered have the potential of having lower cost insurance, but more people will be able to be covered for health insurance. I think this is a really important Bill. I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

"The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have 09300113.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 48 voting ‘yes’ and 64 voting ‘no’. Representative Jakobsson, would you like postponed?”

“Yes, please, postponed for consider… reconsideration.”

"Okay. So, this goes on the Order of Postponed Consideration. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 6902 for Representative Rose?”

"Representative Rose.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 6902. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro.”

“Well, maybe our anal… will the Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Our analysis may be off here. What… can you explain to me, Representative Rose, what… you said there was a problem up in your county and something to do with that parents or guardian… ‘cause I don’t read this from our analysis. So, what is… what is the law now? And if we pass this Bill what will the law become?”

“Okay. One… one last question. What’s this part in the Bill that talks about the elimination of… of the affirmative defense of knowledge of being the age of the child?”

“In other words…”

“Okay.”

“Okay.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Millner.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

"Representative Delgado.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Thank you. Representative Rose, with these Amendments and your intention… I think on your first Amendment deleting the language created a strict liability for it at that point. Is that correct?”

“Okay. Thank you. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker.”

"To the Bill.”

“Once again, I want to commend Representative Rose in taking a Bill that many of the Members of the Criminal Law Committee, which I chair, had some concerns and Representative Collins who had to go to a short meeting 09300113.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 also wants to point out that all the concerns were laid down. I think this is a wonderful way to bring a consensus Bill addressing especially juveniles. When we talk about victims, they’re all victims. So, we want to thank you for working with us on that. I’m just a little surprised that your chairman’s name didn’t show up on the sponsorship level, but we can take care of that. Good Bill.”

"Is there any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Miller, are you prepared on House Bill 4522? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill? And Representative Monique Davis, for what reason do you rise?” Davis, M.: “Mr. Speaker, I wish to have been recorded ‘yes’ on 4718.”

"The record will reflect your intentions. And Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4522?”

"Representative Miller.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There was some discussion on this last week in regards to House Bill 4522. I think I need to just kind of 09300113.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 make a statement first and then maybe we can address some of the concerns that were issued. Last year the General Assembly legislated significant change in the method of identifying students in poverty, changing from 10-year census count to an annual count based enrollment in the Department of Human Services, that was House Bill 430. This change insured that students in poverty are more accurately identified, that the resources go to districts that have these low com… low-income students. A major change in identifying students in poverty have resulted in a $30 million over a $30 million increase in the poverty grant. However, the legislation also included change that negatively impacted the poverty grant. Last year… prior to last year, if there was a shortfall to general state aid appropriation then that would have to be prorated the entire amount of general state aid. This… the… thus the General Assembly in subsequent Sessions would deliberate and add a supplemental appropriation usually in a Veto Session. Last year, legislation that passed that changed this method of proration, if there was a shortfall in the GSA appropriation… if there was a shortfall in the GSA appropriation the legislation passed required that poverty grant funding alone to be prorated to pay for the shortfall for the general state aid. This is a departure from previous administrations. Last year there was a $7.6 million shortfall. Because of this new methodology that was determined from prorating the poverty grant that it created a shortfall. This legislation deals strictly with 09300113.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 that. Now, when this Bill was brought up before there was some discussion in regards to a hold harmless and certain districts losing money. The information that had approached… that was passed out primarily on the other side of the aisle was actually an extrapolation of information, but wasn’t true information coming from the State Board of Education, even though those are State Board of Education numbers. And I’ve got a statement that basically says it. Regardless of that, a couple days ago… yesterday, new information did come out in regards to it. I’ve talked to… regards to DHS count and what the difference would be and who would be hurt and who wouldn’t. I know there’s been some discussion from my downstate colleagues in regards to a hold harmless clause that would help those communities. I, too, have a district that would lose money under… in… under this new equation. And in fact, my district is in Ford Heights which is one of the poorest communities in Cook County, if not the State of Illinois, that would lose money. So I, too, am concerned about a hold harless… hold harmless clause. I’ve talked to the Senate Sponsor… potential Senate Sponsors in regards to that and including to Representative Mitchell who wished to work on this issue in the Senate. And so I would ask for a favorable vote with the understanding that we’d work with this and continue on the Senate legislation. The point I’d like to make is that these are two separate issues and I think that’s very important for the General Assembly to know. That when we talk about the poverty grant… dealing with 09300113.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 this deals with the now versus the other deals with the current… with the future. If this legislation is not passed, there still would be a hold harmless issue. Any Member of the General Assembly wishes to just solely address the hold harmless, I would be in support of that legislation and put my name as a cosponsor. I would ask for a favorable vote and be happy to answer any questions.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 4522. And on that question, the Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy.”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Yeah, the numbers from the… that I was… received… the increase alone would be $41 million, over 41.”

“Over 41 million.”

“Yes.”

“It’s more accurate, 16.5.” 09300113.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Well, I think that’s a dis… I think that’s a disservice. If you’re talking about the legislation, all this legislation really deals with is the way it’s prorated. According to the numbers that you’re saying, the communities that… the districts that will lose money would be that 17.5. If there’s a hold harmless provision attached to it, that is the 16.5 that you’re referring to. So, it’s kinda… what you’re saying is… is a little incorrect because there are two… it’s really two separate issues.”

“Yeah, the cost would be 41 million.”

“With a net…”

“Well, this Bill, Representative Eddy, has no fiscal impact.” 09300113.doc 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Well, I think… I think that’s up to the final appropriations. I mean, I think if anything, like I said, one of my districts is targeted to lose money according to this. I, of all people, would not wish Ford Heights to lose a dime in any type of state aid or fund… funding formula. The difference is that at the end of the day, okay, that whatever is decided, whether it would be the difference… the difference within the hold harmless was 60 percent. If it was fully funded, it would be the 16.5 million. So, it just dep… depends on what the final appropriation’s gonna be.”

“Well, I can sit here and we can discuss educational funding, but I’m trying to deal with the Bill that I’ve filed in the… in the House here, which has nothing to do with the phase-in.”

“It has a way to do the…” 09300113.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Yes.”

“That… that is possible, yes.”

“Yeah, that’s why… you’re absolutely right. That’s why… you know, the goal is obviously to fully fund and to make sure that no school loses money.”

“I think… I think that’s what you’re trying to get at.”

“And I thi…”

“Yeah, well, the… you keep bringing up the hold harmless. But, in prior years before this… to answer the question, the answer is ‘yes’. In prior years before this, the General… General Assembly would a… would approve a 09300113.doc 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 supplemental appropriations if they were short in the general state aid. Essentially, what this is coming from is the poverty grant. And so, we’re… this legislation is saying that we don’t wish to prorate the poverty grant because it does affect it. The phase-out program that you referred to is a different matter.”

“Yeah, they’re losing… they’re losing because of the phase-in portion, not… not because of the proration.”

“I’m sorry, repeat the last part of your statement.”

“Well, I think the intention last year was that no school district will lose money. There… as… as we… as the legislation passed last year there was a phase-down program. I understand there are communities… districts that would lose money significantly. As I said, mine… one of my school districts being one of ‘em. It is in every intent that I have is to make sure that those school districts don’t lose money… don’t lose money. However, once again, I said any Member of this General Assembly that wishes to add on their own legislation through a shell Bill or whatever dealing with a hold harmless clause, I’d be more than happy to put my name as a… as a line Sponsor on it. And so, once again, we’re talking about two separate issues. I share the same concern as you and would reach out to the other side of the aisle to those Members who are sensitive to this to say, let’s work together to try to make sure that any school districts, regardless of the location, doesn’t lose any funding.”

"To the Bill.”

"Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. I rise in support of the Gentleman’s Bill. This is a Bill that’s a long time coming. The Gentleman has worked very hard and long on it. And he’s put a Bill together that’s very complicated, but has a very long list of proponents. Some of whom don’t even get along with each other all that well most of the time. And so, for him to be able to put this Bill together was monumental and because of that and because no one knows how difficult the funding is for schools in… in impoverished areas better than Representative Miller who comes from one of those areas, represents many of those areas, I think the Gentleman deserves our support. And I would recommend your ‘aye’ votes.”

"Representative Jerry Mitchell.” 09300113.doc 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.” Mitchell, J.: “David, again, I… I commend you for the work that you’ve done on this, there’s no question about it. That… that sooner or later as we move ahead and try to solve the problems of funding with schools in the State of Illinois, this is an important piece. And certainly, funding the poverty level at 100 percent which is what should have been done anyway, we’ve got to stop prorating everything and we’ve gotta see how much you actually cost and then we’ve gotta go after the money. However, without a hold harmless or a partial hold harmless, there are many districts that are going to get hurt. My only question for you is, you can’t separate the two issues, they are not two separate issues. One works with the other. We cannot get the foundation level up to the level that we need in order to this not to have a… a… a situation where over 300 districts lose money. Would you be willing to allow us to help and to work with the Senate Sponsor of this Bill to work on an Amendment that… that should be compatible with this… should not hurt it being passed? But, then allow those districts that need a hold harmless and I’m not saying 100 percent hold harmless, we have to slowly but surely get rid of the hold harmless. But, going from 100 percent to 66.5 percent is going to be very, very traumatic to many, many districts, not just downstate, but suburban districts and downstate. So, if… if you are amenable… amenable to your 09300113.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Senate colleague working with us to get an Amendment that would take care of this problem, I think you’ll find that there’s strong support for your Bill. But, without that there’s… there’s many concerns on both sides of the aisle as they look at the printouts.”

"Was that a question, Representative?” Mitchell, J.: “Well, David and I think it is.”

"Yeah, so, Representative Miller, would you like to answer the question?”

“As we’ve had discussions, Representative Mitchell, on this, I have said that I would work with the Senate Sponsor in regards to a possible hold harmless. The last thing, I mean… the last thing I would want to see is the poorest of poor school districts in the poorest community get hurt. And I understand the impli… the implications of it as the numbers just pan out. I think what… part of the… part of the issue I have with… is the fact that I still think and we can debate this at another forum, is that it’s still, I mean, when you talk about educational funding we can also bring up property tax, we can bring up, you know, general state… poverty grant, we can bring up special ed, we can bring up categoricals. There’s a whole mixture of this. And so, to sit here to say that… that this relates to this is… is… I think is… is a little disservice. But regardless of that, I did say I would work with the Senate Sponsor to add a hold harmless or to work with them to see at what level that would ultimately be. At the end of the day, I believe whatever appropriations working with the Governor’s 09300113.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Office and the… the… and the Legislative Leaders and clearly our… our… our… our House Appropriation chair to make sure that those districts don’t get hurt in the long run.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Representative. To the Bill.”

"To the Bill.” Mitchell, J.: “Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a difficult situation, but… but with the Sponsor’s agreement that he will allow us to work on a hold harmless, I think this is needed legislation. Some of you may have concerns. But certainly there’s enough concern across the state as you look at the printouts that I’m sure that we will get something worked out in the Senate for this Bill. The Sponsor’s intent is not to harm any school district. The Sponsor’s intent is to try to move us toward the full realization of the change in the poverty grant. In order to get that done, then we need this type of legislation so that we… we don’t partially do what we expect it to do. What he’s requesting has nothing to do with the problem, although I disagree with him that they’re not related, they are related. But from his side, what he’s doing is what would benefit us all if we had put the foundation level at the proper amount. No one would have been hurt. Now, I’ve talked to superintendents, Roger Eddy’s talked to superintendents, they agree as well that if we had had that foundation level at… at 5,600 rather than where it’s at, we would have been okay. So, now what we need to do is to work on a hold harmless that lets school districts down 09300113.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 gently. And I don’t know how else to say that. If we go to 90 percent rather 100 percent hold harmless, they’re going to recoup some of that money they may have lost. They won’t get it all and they understand that. But what they’re saying is don’t make it such a loss that it’s going to put us, not on the financial watch list or warning list, but actually in bankruptcy. Nobody wants to see that happen. If we can get this worked out in the Senate then I think the intent of the legislation is good. I intend to… to vote on this with the promise from the Representative that he will work with me, with others that have a concern about school funding to make sure that no district winds up in desperate straits. We’ve already got problems out there and we all know that. But we’ve got to work toward a solution and I think this Bill helps do that. I appreciate the Sponsor’s agreement to take the Bill out of the record so that we got the new numbers, so that we looked at the printouts. If you haven’t seen them yet, we’re more than happy to share ‘em, those that have ‘em. I think Representative Miller’s got a copy, I have a copy, Representative Eddy has a copy, all God’s children got a copy. What we… what we must do is to not let this Bill go to the Senate and ignore it. What we must do as a House, knowing that the problem’s identified, is to make sure that we come up with a solution that’s going to benefit those districts that are at this time losing money. Then we have to work to get that foundation level at the proper level that it is. And I know that takes money, takes willpower, 09300113.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 but I think we’ve got the resolve to do that. Mr. Speaker, thank you for the time. Representative Miller, I support your legislation. Thank you.”

"Representative Miller to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I’d like to commend those who had response to this legislation. I know that all of our hearts are in the right place. But it truly exemplifies the problem with educational funding here in the State of Illinois. That it’s not a black problem from Ford Heights, that it’s not a white problem downstate, it’s not a Republican problem or a Democratic problem, it’s a statewide problem that we have here. And it… until the General Assembly gets the political will to do the right thing towards educational funding, this legislation along with the other legistat… pieces of legislation that we passed will always be a Band- Aid approach. Until the General Assembly takes the willingness and the effort to make sure that every child in the State of Illinois is properly funded and make sure that they have and deserve a quality education, we’re gonna be dealing with these kind of band-aid approach. I would like to thank everybody for their consideration and urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

"The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4522 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 99 voting ‘yes’, 17 voting ‘no’. 09300113.doc 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Dunkin, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I’d like to take this opportunity for a point of personal privilege?”

"Yes, state your point.”

“I’d like to recognize Perspectives Charter School over to my right up in the upper gallery here. Like to give them a round of applause. And welcome to your State Capitol.”

"Welcome to Springfield. And Representative Myers, for what reason do you rise?”

"State your point.”

Speaker Hannig: "Welcome to Springfield. Representative Sullivan on House Bill 4990. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?” 09300113.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Representative Sullivan.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 4990. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Excus… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On 09300113.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 this question, there are 115 voting ‘no’… excuse me, 115 voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Younge, would you like us to read House Bill 4116? Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

"Representative Younge.”

“Thank you. This Bill…. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill, House Bill 4116, establishes a Bill of Rights for the homeless. Amendment #1 is the Department of Human Rights’ Amendment and with the adoption of that Amendment it supports the Bill. The Amendment would require the Department of Human Rights to enforce the rights of the homeless and… and then Amendment #2 includes the right to vote, regardless of what the election laws say. The Bill of Rights includes the right to live… for the homeless includes the right to live in any community in this state in which they can afford to live in. The right to choose the type of living arrangements, the right to employment and training programs, the right to access to emergency medical facilities, the right to manage their own finances, except in a case where the person voluntarily signs a written agreement saying that these finances are to be handled by somebody else or except in the case where the person has been adjudicated to be incompetent, the right not to be coerced because of not taking any medication. In 09300113.doc 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 case of a group living arrangement, the… a homeless person has the right to know what the checks are and sign them. And a homeless person has the right to vote and it shouldn’t be denied because of… there’s no permanent residence, the right to visita… visitation of family members and the right to receive public services. I think it’s important to set a standard of conduct for homeless people. Right now, there are between 16 and 30 thousand homeless. And many of them find themselves subject to arrest merely because they are homeless. In addition, the depart… added to the Department of Human Rights, the statute, is the prohibition against unlawful discrimination based on housing status. You can’t discriminate just because a person is homeless. I move for the passage of the Bill.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4116. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

"She indicates she will yield.”

“This Bill is agreed to by the Department of Human Rights. Was that… was that House Bill signed into law?”

“Well, I… I don’t have the provisions of it before me and so I’m not able to comment about that at this time. It’s important that there be a Bill that the Department of Human Services agrees to. It has agreed to this one and it would enforce the rights of… of the homeless. And so we’re taking up this Bill.”

“The Department of Human Rights wrote Amendment #1 and with the adoption… and the Amendment has been adopted, this Amendment the department supports the Bill. And the Amendment basis… basically places the responsibility on the Department of Human Rights to enforce the civil rights of… of the homeless.”

“No.”

“They’re not opposed to the Bill, no.”

"To the Bill.” 09300113.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Washington.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I’m from Lake.”

"Excuse me, Representative…”

“That’s all right.”

Speaker Hannig: "…the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Washington.”

“That’s okay, thank you.”

"I didn’t have my glasses on.”

“That’s all right, no… Sir, no problem. Thank you. Would the Sponsor yield?”

"She indicates she will.” 09300113.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“As a past director of a homeless shelter, referred as the Staben Center in my town of Waukegan, I want to commend… I want to commend my colleague, Ms. Younge, for wanting to do for the least of these. Because the homeless definitely need a Bill of Right, no doubt in my mind about it. I’ve dealt with those issues and I disagree with my colleague over to the right. I think that it’s more of an upside than a downside. And if I’m right… if history serves me right, most of the voters fraud that I’ve ever seen or read about had nothing to do with homeless people whatsoever. So, I think that’s… that’s not in and of itself totally an accurate portrayal of what could happen if those of us here would recognize that homeless individuals have to have a mailing address in order to be eligible to register to vote. I think you ought to be commended, Ms. Younge, for including a class… a subclass that probably will always be a societal problem. But I want to raise a question. You did say that they would have to have a mailing address, did I understand that correctly?”

“Yes. The way some jurisdiction handled it is that if there is a previous registration then a provisional voting can take place, based on the fact that the person lived at an address at a particular time. And if they check that out to see… if the voting authorities check out that there is a previous registration, they will permit them to vote.”

“So, that’s a safeguard to insure the integrity of the process?” 09300113.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“That’s correct.”

“To the Bill, Mr. Speaker.”

"To the Bill.”

“I would hopefully urge my colleagues are listening not only with their physical ears, but with their heart because many time we run across people who seem wonderless in the street who have been disconnected for whatever the many reasons are to society. And as I stated being a director of a homeless shelter, not only in the shelter were people who fell on hard times, but I had lawyers and doctors under my care who were professionals that you never would profile as someone that would be homeless. So, I urge my colleagues to support this particular legislation. And I thank Representative Younge for bringing us an opportunity to do so.”

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"She indicates she’ll yield.”

“Well, that… that… that’s the point. There… there are local regulations, but they’re being violated. Homeless people are not given the right to the types of living arrangements that they’re entitled to, that’s the whole point.”

“You’re entitled to… homeless people are entitled to the rental of premises that they can afford, regardless of the fact that they may be homeless. If they can afford the facility then they have a right to it. The fact that they are homeless should not bar them… should bar them from unlawful discrimination because housing status is… is added as another unlawful discrimination reason.”

“Well, what is happening is that people are being… homeless people are being denied the opportunity to rent places because they are homeless. And this is a Bill of Right to prevent that, to say that we want fair and open treatment of people and they shouldn’t be discriminated against just because they’re homeless.” 09300113.doc 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“People who are homeless are being discriminated against… when they get money or have money for an apartment they’re being discriminated against and they can’t get them. And that’s the whole purpose of… of this Bill. To protect their rights.”

“Well, the thing is we spend a great deal of time and effort in setting up programs for training and employment to help people. This is a declaration of our intent that a person will not be denied those rights to participate in those programs merely because they are homeless. And that needs to be put in writing and it needs to be for the way we let the whole world know that that is our feeling. Because people who are homeless are being jailed, they’re being arrested, they’re being denied the programs. And in this Bill’s intention is to state positively what the rights of these people are. They’re being mistreated because they’re hated. And… and we need to have a standard of conduct that prevents this kind of inhuman treatment of 09300113.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 the homeless. About 40 percent of the homeless are mentally ill.”

“And they need to be…”

“The section starts by saying, ‘that no person’s rights, privileges and… or access to public services shall be denied merely because they’re homeless.’ And….”

“You define it by believing that a person should not be denied a job just because he’s homeless. But we’re defining the fact that we want homeless people in training programs. We want them to have jobs because they are homeless ‘cause they don’t have any money. And so, we want to protect them in reference to their rights to employment and…”

“…training.”

“In the real world if one of those persons became homeless… what this does, it says that you shall not deny work to that person merely because they’re home… homeless. The point is to… to state in writing a… a standard of conduct as to how we want homeless people treated. A lot… extraordinary amounts and resources of this state go for our programs. There’s a whole class of people out there that are walking around that have no place to stay. And we should want to be satisfied that we have set a standard of conduct by the people who implement these laws. And that is the whole purpose of this Bill of Rights for the homeless. And we should not draw up and not give them that right.”

"To the Bill.”

"Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the Bill. I heard the previous speaker who I have great respect for. But as a historian and as a teacher of history in invoking our Constitution, he talked about a Bill of Rights, but he didn’t talk about the underlying Constitution where we talk about the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And that’s what this Bill is about. Because, but for the grace of God go all of us. And I’m telling you we have a lot of homeless people and people don’t want to talk about it. Homeless don’t vote, they’re not a strong constituency, they don’t give you any money to your elections. But, every one of us have an obligation to those people because how we are judged as a society is how we treat those who are the weakest. And what this Representative is trying to 09300113.doc 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 do is both morally right and something that should have been done a long time ago. So, don’t get confused when you hear about a Bill of Rights when we already have the Constitution that’s saying that we should be doing these type of things. I tell you in my county, McHenry County, which is a affluent county, we have a PAD… many PAD shelters. My… our farm is used for one of those shelters on Friday nights. And oftentimes we feed 45 people on Friday nights, many of them children with no homes. We all should be able to have a job and that is a right in this country. We should have the ability to be able to try to get a job. You’re not guaranteeing anybody a job, you’re just guaranteeing them the chance to try. And that’s what this does. This should have 118 votes.”

"Representative Graham.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Having coming… having come from a social services background dealing with homeless women and men with children and managing a budget for housing, I think the… the intent… to the Bill. To the… I think the intent of what the Sponsor is after is not to guarantee the homeless person a right to… to a job just by saying, he’s homeless and he deserves a right to be employed. This is about when a person walks into an office building and may be qualified to do a job of sweeping the floors, but the employer asks the question, ‘Where do you live?’. And based on what that individual says the employer may take in his mind and say, ‘He doesn’t have a place of residence, is he reliable, can 09300113.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 he get to work on time?’ He puts all these other factions… he draws these conclusions and determines whether or not this man can get to work on time versus looking at the individual’s qualifications. Remember back in the day when women had babies and their babies… they started asking, ‘Well, how… do you have a family? Do you have kids?’ So, they stopped employing women or slowing down the fact because they were afraid that women were not gonna be able to report to work because they had babies. The babies are gonna get sick, they’re gonna to miss work, they’re gonna miss this, they’re gonna to miss that. This is what the intent of this legislation is. She’s not saying, give them a job just because they’re homeless. She’s saying that this homeless person when they walk into the door they’re already discounted because they can’t put on the resume like we can, I live 300 North Pine, Chicago, Illinois, 60644 on the second floor. He can’t say that. He might have to say he live in Mother Theresa’s shelter. And based on that the employer says, ‘Oh, he doesn’t have any stability, we can’t employee him.’ When that homeless person is in fact seeking stability. So, when we say that based on the fact that he’s just homeless, don’t employee him, we’re taking away an opportunity for him to be self- sufficient. This Bill is just asking people not to look at the fact that they don’t have a place to stay. Look at their qualifications. Are they qualified to sweep the floor? Are they qualified to wash dishes? That’s what this Bill is all about. It’s just not forcing people out 09300113.doc 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 of employment. I understand. This is two separate dea… issues. The people who were laid off, that’s a diff… that’s a different set of circumstances. They were laid off because a plant closed, not because they were unqualified. They can go out and get another job and not be faced with the same challenges that a homeless person is faced with because they have a home. They have an address that they can put on a piece of paper that will make them instantly acceptable. And then their qualifications will come into play second. But, this… a homeless person… where he lives will be the first thing that they look at versus his qualifications. I urge everybody to take a set… to take a look in their hearts and vote ‘aye’ on this piece of legislation. It has no intentions of putting them in front of anybody else, it’s simply saying if they’re qualified to do the job don’t let the employer do the analyzation of whether or not he can take this job because he’s looking at the fact of whether he’s… he’s stable or not. I urge this comm… this Body to vote ‘aye’.”

"Representative Mautino.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I’d move the previous question.”

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, ‘Shall the main question be put?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The main question is put. Representative Younge to close.”

“The Department of Human Rights has estimated that the financial or fiscal effect of this would be minimal. And 09300113.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 I… this is just a good thing to do. It’s morally right and it… we know that there are bad attitudes against the homeless. We have a duty to state that this is the level of conduct that we expect in reference to the programs that we provide. And I ask for your support in this matter.”

"The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 4116. All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Wait, would you like to record yourself? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 60 voting ‘yes’, 55 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 6954?”

"Representative Wait.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 6954. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed 09300113.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’ and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4227 for Representative Watson.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Watson.”

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 4227. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Daniels. Okay. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional 09300113.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4229.”

"Representative Saviano.”

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 5157. Representative Watson.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Watson.”

"Is there any discussion? Then the question… the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Do we have assurances from the Sponsor that it… this shell Bill will only be used for the checkoffs for veterans’ homes?”

“Thank you.”

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Dugan. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 100 voting ‘yes’, 16 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5025? Representative Brady.”

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Brady.” 09300113.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"And on that question, Representative Nekritz.”

“Representative, I was served in… I was on… in committee the day that that… that this Bill came… came forward and it was my recollection that this… that you had hoped to reach an agreement and you would only move the Bill forward if it’s an agreed Bill. If… if it comes back from the Senate, could we… would the same deal hold that it would be an agreed Bill by the time we got it back here?”

“Okay. Thank you.”

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed 09300113.doc 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Slone, would you like to be recorded? Okay. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 89 voting ‘yes’, 24 voting ‘no’ and 3 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 4635?”

"Okay. We want re… we want it to rem… Okay, so, Mr. Clerk, would you return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor? We’re now gonna do a series of Second Reading Bills. So, if you could help the Chair by indicating if want us to move forward that could… that can help us move along. On page 7 of the Calendar is House Bill 5875. Representative Berrios, would you like us to move that Bill? Second to Third, Representative Berrios? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Representative Black, would you like us to move House Bill 4055? From Second to Third?”

"Excuse me, Representative… Representative, we need to read the Bill first.”

"I’m sorry.”

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Okay. And now, Representative Black.”

Speaker Hannig: "All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Feigenholtz on House Bill 6577, can we… Okay. So, there… Representative Feigenholtz, I apologize, there’s still note requests on this Bill. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4958 for Representative Bost?”

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, we just recently moved House Bill 5875 to Third Reading. The Sponsor requests that we return that to the Order of Second Reading. Representative Cross on House Bill 3975. Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Representative Sacia on House Bill 6583. 6583. Are we ready? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Representative… Representative Giles, are you ready on House Bill 5041? Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5890?” 09300113.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Third Reading. Representative Giles, did you want us to move House Bill 5041 from Second to Third? From Second to Third? Okay. Out of the record. Representative Graham on House Bill 6769. No. Out of the record. Representative Hamos on House Bill 4099 from Second to Third? I’m sorry, Representative Hamos, is that a Bill you wanted to move? Okay. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Rep… Representative Joyce on House Bill 4017, is that a Bill you’d like to move from Second to Third? Not at this time. Out of the record. Representative McCarthy on House Bill 5018. Is that a Bill you’d like to move from Second to Third, Representative? Would you… Oh, excuse me, Representative. Okay. Out of the record. Representative McGuire on House Bill 4837, would you like to move that from Second to Third? Out of the record. Representative Mendoza… Representative Reitz on House Bill 4883. Out of the record. Representative Rita. Okay. How about Representative Ryg? Representative Ryg on House Bill 4622? No. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Slone… Representative Slone on House Bill 4850. Would you like us to move that from Second to Third? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 6848? Okay. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Rita, did you want us to move 6632? Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 6632.”

"Representative Rita.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 will become the Bill. There was some technical changes that we had to work out. And what it does is add some dates and… and a cap of 25 million from the Governor’s Office. So, it was agreed upon. This deals with the double whammy school funding for tax capped school districts. Like to adopt it.”

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Turner, Art Turner on House Bill 4929 from Second to… Second to Third, Representative? Out of the record. How about Rep… Mr. Turner on House Bill 4964? From Second to Third? Out of the record. Or House Bill 5130, Representative Turner? 09300113.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Oh, wait a minute, you want us to come back to 4964? Mr. Clerk, would you return to 4964 and read the Bill, please?”

Speaker Hannig: "Okay. On 4964, Third Reading. And then Representative Yarbrough on House Bill 4302. Excuse… excuse me, Representative Black, was you seeking recognition?”

"Representative Turner, did you wish that to be returned to Second? Representative Turner.”

“Mr. Speaker, bring the Bill back to Second. I’ll talk to Representative Black.”

Speaker Hannig: "Okay. So, Mr. Clerk, just to clarify. Representative Turner asks that House Bill 4964 be returned to the Order of Second Reading. And now, Representative Yarbrough on House Bill 4302. And that’s out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Or House Bill 4439, Representative Yarbrough? Mr. Clerk, read that Bill.”

"Representative Yarbrough.”

“Mr. Speaker, that Amendment was adopted in committee.”

"Representative… Mr. Clerk, is… she…”

“Okay. The Amendment… go ahead.”

"Mr. Clerk, is… this is a Floor Amendment #1, is that correct? Okay. So, this is the Floor Amendment, Representative.”

“Okay. This Amendment changes the Bill in three ways. The first change is the Amendment makes… defines a ‘housing authority’ as either a housing authority created under the Housing Authority Act or the U.S. Housing Act of 1937. The second change is that the Amendment makes also as… as a request of the Chicago… Chicago Housing Authority. This change is to exempt the City of Chicago Housing Authority from… from any requirement to lease or rent a unit of housing to a perspective tenant who is receiving subsidies or vouchers in connection with the Federal Housing Choice Voucher. And the third change exempts communities outside of Chicago that are saturated with 3 percent or more with affordable housing. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

"And on that question, Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

"She indicates she’ll yield.” 09300113.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Representative, I had a handout from the Illinois Realtors Association and I tried to give them a call and they haven’t called me back. And I’d like to know… because they say in their handout that your Bill now is actually requiring people to rent to Section 8 housing. Is that… is that the intent of your Bill?”

“No, it is not. That doesn’t have anything really to do with the Amendment, Representative. But people can use the same criteria that they use… like credit checks or background checks or what have you. They do not have to rent to Section 8 people.”

“Will anything in this Bill mandate individuals to have to rent to people in Section 8 housing?”

“Absolutely not.”

“So… so, what does this Bill do?”

“Okay. The… the Bill prevents discrimination based on source of income. So, that would mean if a person had an SS… was… had SSI or if they had a Housing Choice Voucher or if they were a migrant worker where they get paid in cash, anything that is a lawful source of income.”

“Can I…”

“What we’re trying to do with this Bill is simply prevent somebody from… when they show up at the door with… with whatever form of lawful income that they have, that they won’t just tell ‘em no just figuring that, you know, that they’re not desirable tenants.”

“If I was a landlord, could I still turn somebody down if they happen to be Section 8? Because if… let’s say I 09300113.doc 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 did a credit check and the credit check shows they’ve been late in payments on other bills. And regardless of their source of income, I don’t care, but if they’ve been late with their payments would I be able to say, ‘No, I’m not gonna rent to you.’”

“Absolutely. You can tell ‘em no and not rent to them.”

“Thank you very much.”

“You’re welcome.”

"Representative Parke.”

"On the Amendment.”

“No.”

“No.”

"Thank you, Representative Parke.”

"Representative Graham on the Amendment. She does not wish to speak. Is there any further discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5045?”

"Okay. Let’s take that out of the record. Just an announcement that there’ll be a Rules Committee meeting at 3:00. So, the Rules Committee Members be prepared for a meeting at 3:00. At this time, Representative Washington moves to table House Bill 5105. And Representative McCarthy moves to table House Bill 5018. Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Motions say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Bills are tabled. Representative Bailey, for what reason do you rise?”

“Point of personal privilege, Sir.”

"Yes, state your point.”

“Mr. Speaker, thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to take this time for Delta Day to recognize distinguished women of red and white in the Speaker’s gallery, my sorority sisters from Delta Sigma Theta. Would you please rise?”

"Welcome to Springfield.”

“Also, I would like to invite each and every one of you to the Governor’s Mansion for a legislative day and dinner this evening. Thank you.” 09300113.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Representative Turner in the Chair. You all are so nice. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 3918. Representative Hannig. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment is a… a proposal that the committee asked me to adopt that would provide that this service would be subject to appropriation. So, that’s all it did. It was at the request of the committee. I’d ask for the adoption of the Amendment.”

Speaker Turner: "Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment #1. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On page 7 of the Calendar we have House Bill 5045. Representative Hannig. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. No, out of the record. On page 12 of the Calendar we have House Bill 12… Senate Bill 1271. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig on Amendment #1.”

“Mr. Speaker, we’re gonna have to take this out of the record until I can get a copy of the Amendment. I apologize.”

"That’s fine. We will take that Bill out of the record, Mr. Clerk. On the Order of Third Reading, page 11, we have Repre… Representative Brauer on House Bill 4960. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: "Representative Saviano, the Gentleman from Cook.”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4960 pass?’ All those in favor should vote 09300113.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Howard. Howard. Representative Osterman. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there is 72 voting ‘aye’, 42 voting ‘no’ and 2 voting ‘present’. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Third Readings we have House Bill 4003, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Acevedo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Acevedo.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4003 requires that the Secretary of State issue a driver’s license to immigrants not eligible for Social Security numbers, if certain requirements are met. Those requirements are: an individual tax identification number to prove that they are a taxpaying immigrant, an affidavit stating that they are not eligible to get a Social Security number and they will file for an application to become a permanent citi… resident of the United States as soon as el… they are eligible to do so, surrender all illegally obtained forms of driver’s license or state identification cards, provide a current foreign passport and foreign birth certificate. A driver’s license issued to a person without a Social Security number must 09300113.doc 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 have a distinctly different appearance than the license issued to a person with a Social Security number. A licensee under this Bill must, within 30 days of receiving the license, provide proof of insurance to the Secretary of State. This Bill specifically states that none of the changes made affect the issuance of commercial driver’s license, school bus driver’s permits or state IDs. This Bill also states that a license issued under this Bill shall not be used to obtain either a firearms identification card or a driver’s license in another state. This also requires that an individual provide a digital photograph and fingerprint to all other info submitted to be kept private and confidential and it will be used only to determine whether the applicant is eligible for a driver’s license or has an outstanding felony arrest warrant. I’ll be happy to answer any questions.”

Speaker Turner: “The Lady from Mc… McHenry, Representative Kurtz, for what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Yes, Representative, they will go through some… a certain amount of training and… for a driver’s license to be issued. Yeah. Yes, they will.” 09300113.doc 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“I believe that’s what this Bill is about. It’s a safety issue that deals with people who are driving the rule… our roads here in the State of Illinois already that don’t have driver’s license, don’t know the rules of the roads and this will encourage them, to make it mandatory for them to learn the rules of the road.”

“The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Rose, for what reason do you rise?”

“Sponsor indicates he will.”

“I’m sorry, Representative. Can you repeat the question?”

“An individual who would be issued this type of driver’s license will not be eligible to apply for a FOID card.”

“Rep… Representative, I truly believe the legislation calls for the driver’s license issued to an individual will… can only be used in the State of Illinois and will not be… they will not be eligible to apply for a driver’s license using this certain document for a driver’s license in a different state.”

“Yes.”

“Well, Representative, this deals with law enforcement issues and I’m sure felony warrants, if there are warrants issued as far as misdemeanors go, I’m sure they’ll see it issued as an outstanding warrant, so that person will… the misdemeanors will pop up and law enforcement officers are required to arrest that person.” 09300113.doc 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“I believe it would deal with any issue where a warrant is issued on an individual. I believe it’s listed in Chapter 720 of the Illinois Compiled Statutes.”

“To the Bill.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Flowers, for what reason do you rise?”

“Mr. Speaker, will the Gentleman yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Representative, does this Bill address illegal immigrants or just immigrants?”

“It deals with all immigrants.”

“So, as a result of dealin’… even people that are here illegally?”

“Mr. Speaker, can we… I can barely hear her.”

Speaker Turner: “Could you repeat your question, Representative?”

“I asked, does this Bill address illegal immigrants because there’s a… we’re all immigrants. We’re all immigrants. So, what does or who does this Bill address?”

“Undocumented immigrants. I believe, Representative, and maybe I might stand corrected, but currently, if you are a legal immigrant residing in this state, you are eligible to receive a driver’s license.”

“Well and you know what, I’m glad you said that because in reading this legislation it only referred to immigrants. So, as a result, anyone who is eligible and a legal immigrant can apply for a driver’s license. Am I correct?”

“What was the question, Representative?”

“My question again, the Bill does not specifically say anything about illegal immigrants. It only refer to immigrants who are ineligible to receive a Social Security 09300113.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 number. And if you are ineligible to receive a Social Security number, you can currently use your… your… there’s another type of number that you can use. Am I correct about that?”

“An I… yes, an ITIN number.”

“Pardon me?”

“ITIN number.”

“I’m sorry. Mr. Speaker, can ya lower the… the volume in the House, please?”

“An individual tax identification number.”

“Yes. So, now, my question to you again is, what is the purpose of this legislation?”

“This legislation would require the Secretary of State to issue a driver’s license to undocumented immigrants in the State of Illinois.”

“That’s not what the Bill says. The Bill does not say that. The Bill specifically says and I need for you… You know what, I borrowed these glasses from Representative Lou Jones, so maybe I’m not seeing this right, yours to….”

“It would be issued to an individual who is an immigrant, who is not able to obtain a Social Security number.”

“Okay. So, we’re not talking about illegal immigrants. Am I correct?”

“Yes. Yes, we are, Representative.”

“Show… Can you show me specifically where are we talkin’ about illegal immigrants because I just want to be 09300113.doc 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 sure on how I’m going to vote on this legislation. And as a result of not being clear….”

“This deals with the issue of an individual who is unable to obtain a Social Security number.”

“So, let me ask you this. And Representative, I need… I’m trying to have a understanding of what it is that we’re voting on here and I need your help. And if we’re not talking about illegal immigrants because see, my thing is, I don’t want to be discriminated against, period and I don’t want to discriminate against any one. The law is the law. So, now, what are we doing with this legislation, please?”

“What are we… what? Speaker, I… I can barely hear her.”

“Could we reduce the noise level. It’s a very important issue before us. If we could reduce the noise level in the House, the Representative would appreciate it.”

“Once again, Representative, as I stated earlier, I want to do the right thing in regards to the people of the State of Illinois as well as the immigrants because we are all immigrants. I want that to be clear for the record, we are all immigrants, not unless you’re an Indian.”

“I agree.”

“Now, with that being said, this Bill addresses immigrants who are ineligible to receive a Social Security number. Now, the reason why that didn’t bother me is because there… I think Representative Charles Morrow has a 09300113.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Bill that would eliminate the Social Security number from being on the front of the driver’s license. So, if you don’t have a Social Security number and you have your INA number, I think that’s what the right acronym is, you can receive a driver’s license. And the Bill goes on to say, just to, you know, make my point here, on page 16, line 3, that once you start the application, an affidavit stating that the applicant is an immigrant and not ineligible for a Social Security number and that the applicant will find… I’m sorry. The applicant will file an application to be… to become a permanent resident of the United States.”

“Yes.”

“Is that what the Bill says?”

“Yes.”

“Okay. So, therefore, we’re talkin’ about people who are eligible, am I correct?”

“Yes. This… this would concern people who are eligible.”

“Now, I need you…”

“Representative, the purpose of this legislation is to deal with the individuals who are not able to obtain a Social Security number. Now, I’m not quite understanding your question, but this is the way I’m receiving it.”

“Okay.”

“If you’re referring to… if this…”

“Section… line 33, Section B-2. ‘The Secretary of State shall issue a driver’s license to an applicant who is an immigrant and ineligible for a Social Security number, 09300113.doc 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 if the applicant has: #1, provided the Secretary with an individual taxpayer identification number is lieu of… in getting the Social Security number, filed with the Secretary at the time of application an affidavit stating that the applicant is an immigrant not eligible for a Social Security number and that the applicant will file an application to become a permanent resident of the United States at the earliest opportunity the applicant is eligible to do so.’ That’s what the Bill says.”

“So, Representative, what’s your question?”

“Well, Sir, I asked you is this Bill for people who are legal to be here and not for illegal immigrants? That is my question.”

“The Bill deals with people who are ineligible for a Social Security number. That’s exactly what the Bill states, page 6, line 16 to 17.”

“Representative, I am trying to get an understanding because I know you made some changes to the Bill. Am I correct?”

“Yes… yes, I did.”

“Okay. And this is Amendment #2 that has become the Bill. Am I correct?”

“Yes.”

“So, now, am I reading the right language on page 6 that means that anyone that does apply for a driver’s license, who is ineligible to receive a Social Security number at the time, will file an affidavit with the Secretary of State sayin’ that they have or will, within a 09300113.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 certain amount of time, apply for a Social Security number, #1 and #2, say they will become a citizen of these United States. Is that what this Amendment say?”

“No. I said a permanent resident. I didn’t say a United States citizen.”

“Well, I’m sorry, permanent residents, a permanent residents. So, is that what the Bill says?”

“Yes.”

“So, therefore, that means anyone that apply for a driver’s license under this legislation must be eligible and must be able to apply for a Social Security number and the only way that they would do that is that they would be legitimately here. Am I correct?”

“No. You’re saying eligible. It says right on page 15… on page 6, line 15, it says ‘ineligible’.”

“On page 15. Well, that’s what I asked you, Sir? I’m want…”

“Well, I’m asking you… I’m repeatin’ it.”

“Okay. Page 15…”

“I’m sorry. I correct myself. Page 6, line 15.”

“On page 6, line 15, page 6…”

“Section B-2, line 15.”

“Okay. Well, you know what, would you read… read that… read it to me, please? Read to me what you’re talkin’ about.”

“Representative, it’s… it’s right there on line 15. An applicant who is an immigrant and ineligible for a 09300113.doc 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Social Security number, if the applicant has… Now, it’s in front there. I’m not gonna go through the requirements.”

“No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Let me… let me… The only place I see ineligible is, ‘surrender all illegal obtained forms of driver’s license.’ Now, you know, Sir, I want to support this legislation, if it’s doing what I think it is doing, but you’re telling me that it’s not. Now, again, it says, that the Secretary of State shall issue a driver’s license to an applicant who is an immigrant and ineligible for a Social Security number, if the applicant… These are the things that you gonna have to do. You’re gonna have to…”

“You have two minutes left.”

“Pardon me?”

“Two minutes left on the timer.”

“I didn’t know I was being…”

“It’s on.”

“Oh. Well, can you start it over? I didn’t know we was gonna be timed.”

Speaker Turner: “You wanna continue. We’ve had about ten minutes debate.”

“Okay. Well, you… Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill. I do want to support the Gentleman, but the Bill spec… this Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen, according to what I’ve read, it talks about immigrants and it says what you will have to do once you apply for the license and the procedure. So, obviously, this Bill is not about illegal immigrants and I wish the Gentleman would help me with this 09300113.doc 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 legislation or staff… Will staff, please, come and help me with this legislation? Because I don’t see what… And you know, Mr. Speaker, I wish Representative Davis would like to yield me her time because I really would like to get an understanding about what it is I’m about to vote on.”

“You still have a minute left on this time.”

“But he… I… I want my minute and I want Representative Davis’ minute, however minutes many and Representative Giles’ minute. Anybody else wanna give me some time?”

“When they are recognized, I will let them come back to you.”

“Okay.”

“There are eight… there’s nine other people willing to speak on the Bill.”

“Well, okay.”

Speaker Turner: “Representative… Representative Giles or Representative Davis has not been recognized at this point.”

“Okay.”

“When they’re recognized, if they’d care to yield, they you can proceed.”

“Thank you very much, Representative and I still have 29 seconds. But I still wanna say, Representative Acevedo, I’m trying to support you in what you’re trying to do, but you’re not helping me out and I just wish again staff will come and help me understand what it is that you say I’m not understanding because I don’t see the word ‘ineligible’ 09300113.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 other than for the driver’s license that must be surrendered. So, again, and maybe I’ll come and talk to you in between questions and I’ll look forward to receiving Representative Davis’ and Representative Giles’ time. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.”

“To the Members. There’s approximately ten people that wanna speak on this Bill. The Bill was on Short Debate. I’m certain that there were the requisite hands to take it off of Short Debate, but we will put the timer on the Members. And if you allow everybody the opportunity to speak, the question that you may wanna ask may get asked by one of the other individuals. With that, the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Winters.”

“He indicates he will.”

“Yes, Representative. As a matter of fact, the Amendment added by Representative Winkel, who I believe had conversations with the Homeland Security Department, deals with the issue as far as keeping tabs on the… the… the individuals you are speaking of.” 09300113.doc 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Absolutely, Representative.”

“No, Representative, the driver’s license issued would not make ‘em eligible for a CDL or a FOID card.”

“Yes, Representative, it deals with the issue as far as the driver’s license issued to individuals will be different from driver’s license who are issued to citizens of the State of Illinois.”

“Yes, Representative, and that’s up to the Secretary of State, he is the one who issues the driver’s license.” 09300113.doc 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Which agencies do you refer to?”

“Representative, currently, they… they were a ‘no’ in the beginning, but with the Amendments added as we currently stand they are neutral on the Bill. But there are several police chiefs from different… excuse me, areas who do support the Bill.”

“Representative, the official… the fiscal… the fiscal note that was given… in the beginning, the legislation called for a $50 one-time fee, plus the $10 annual fee and it had a three-year sunset. Amendment was added to change that number from $15 plus the $10 original fee. And we took away the three-year sunset which would automatically make that permanent where revenue continues coming in for many, many years instead of where the sunset was put in at three years. Now, the Secretary of State has stated he is gonna need $12 million up front for additional employees, but with the $50 requirement it was… the revenue that was being taken in would be 8.3 million with the $15. That would be paid over a period of time because the money that 09300113.doc 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 is given, the additional $15 for the one-time fee, will be put in a special fund in the Secretary of State to handle administrative costs.”

“Yes. Yes, there is. I’m sorry, Representative, it’s for a permanent resident.”

“Yes.”

“Yes. Yes, Representative. And this legislation also includes a mandatory insurance policy.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke. For what reason do you rise?” 09300113.doc 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. To the Bill. I rise to support this piece of legislation. As we all know in the this chamber, much has been said about this Bill and much has been misunderstood. Over the course of the debate on this issue, there have been many, many changes. I hope every Member here has taken the opportunity to review the Bill in its current form. And certainly, this is not citizenship. We are not handing out anything for free in this situation. We are asking that individuals who are our neighbors, who live in our society, who might very well be residents of our state longer than we are old, be given the opportunity to comply with some of our requirements to understand that we in Illinois can be assured that, first of all, they have automobile insurance, that they have had proper driver’s education and that, in fact, they will be providing fingerprints, so we can have some documentation. I say to you, some documentation is better than none, some driver’s education is better than none and certainly, some fingerprinting is better than none. This is an opportunity for those, who in fact are undocumented neighbors of ours, giving them an opportunity to comply in some fashion with what our regular documented citizens… citizenry has to do. I would say it’s more of a guarantee to our residents who are legal to know that these individuals who are not leaving, they are not leaving our communities. They are coming in greater numbers, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is an opportunity for us to ensure that our constituents have 09300113.doc 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 better protections and indeed give these residents of ours not leaving the opportunity to comply in some fashion with our regular system of laws and regulations. And I would ask each and every one of my colleagues to support this Bill this afternoon.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the Gentleman’s Bill. He’s worked long and hard to make it a Bill we ought to be able to support. Now, I know some of you are gonna vote against this and you’re gonna vote against this so you can go home and pander to some of your voters who don’t understand this Bill, who think this is about giving illegal aliens some sort of benefits they’re not entitled to. And if you wanna make that political statement, go home and do that. I guess you can go ahead and do that. But this isn’t about giving illegal aliens any privileges. This is about giving the rest of us safety on the roads of the State of Illinois. This is about safety for twelve and half million Illinoisans. This is not about giving rights to anyone that doesn’t have those rights. And some of you have gotten letters from your constituents or e-mails or phone calls and you’ve heard them say, ‘oh my God, what a terrible thing, we’re giving rights to illegals, just send them back, send them back.’ Well, that’s okay, but that’s not our job, that’s the Federal Government’s job. What we have to do is make sure that the people that live in the State of Illinois are safe 09300113.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 when they’re on the roads. What we need to do is to make sure that when someone’s in an accident in the State of Illinois, one of our citizens, one of our constituents, that we know who was involved in the accident so we can find that person, so we can bring that person to justice if appropriate, so that we can file a lawsuit if that person is necessary. But at least we know who these people are who are driving on the roads of the State of Illinois, that’s our obligation as Legislators. Our obligation as Legislators is not to take every issue, such as this, and politicize it and go home and try to make some political hay out of it. Now, some of you are gonna say, well, ya know, the only letters and phone calls I got in my district were for people who were against this. Well, that’s not a big surprise, is it? So, let’s not go to the lowest common denominator of our voters who don’t really understand these issues as we do, who don’t really understand the depth of what this issue is all about. And so, I urge you to get past politics, to get past pandering to voters and to do the right thing to save your constituents on the roads of the State of Illinois. This is a very important Bill for public safety and I would ask for your ‘green’ votes.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Aguilar. For what reason do you rise?”

“Proceed.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Fayette, Representative Stephens. For what reason do you rise?”

“I’m sure it was. You deserve it.”

“He indicates he will.”

“I’m sorry. Can you repeat that, Representative?”

“He didn’t hear your question.”

“Well, if you’re undocumented you’re ineligible to receive a Social Security number.”

“Or some legal residents cannot even receive a Social Security number.” 09300113.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Well, that… that… that’s a federal issue…”

“…it’s a federal requirement.”

“No, not… not necessarily.”

“No, I’m sorry, I thought you meant a driver’s license. I apologize.”

“Well, Representative, that wasn’t my statement. That was one of your colleagues on the other side of the aisle, Representative Dave Winters, had mentioned it, yes.”

“I concurred that…”

“…Representative Winkel had sat down and had meetings with the Homeland Security.”

“Yes, yes, Representative.” 09300113.doc 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Yes, it will.”

“Well, Representative, if there’s a warrant… a felony warrant issued and he has committed a felon…”

“Yes.”

“I… I… I would think that if there’s a warrant issued, even through the Federal Government it would be on that person’s record…”

“…once he has….

“Representative, I don’t know if a warrant that is issued in Afghanistan against an individual is valid here in the United States or how…” 09300113.doc 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Ya…”

“Representative, we’re dealing with Illinois offenses.”

“I would hope that the Federal Government ha… ha… does have that implemented.”

“If need be, yes, I’m sure any law enforcement agency would be open to or eligible to look into the records of the State Police.”

“Yes, because they would… they would have to provide a digital photograph and a digital fingerprinting to the State Police.” 09300113.doc 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“An individual applying for a driver’s license.”

“A digital fingerprint and a digital photograph.”

“You got one minute.”

“He would bring a fingerprint.”

“I… I… would….

“Pardon?”

“Well, if that fingerprint is attached to his finger, I would think that… that fingerprint belongs to that individual.”

“Okay, Representative.”

“Let me clarify.”

“Yes, they are.” 09300113.doc 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“And a digital photograph.”

“Well, the Secre… the records is provided to the State Police. Federal Government has access to records of the Illinois State Police.”

Speaker Turner: “Bring your remarks to a close, Representative.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Osterman. For what reason do you rise?”

"…Sponsor yield?”

"He indicates he will.” 09300113.doc 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Earlier in the debates… I want to point out a couple of clarifications, if I may. The previous speaker talked about the FOID card and the ability for someone in a outlying state, who is a non-U.S. citizen, could… they use this to purchase a firearm. And under the federal statute, it’s my understanding that they would not be allowed to. So, federally, we do not allow for citizens to un… illegal citizens or undocumented citizens the ability to purchase a firearm. I will point out though, that in Wisconsin, undocumented citizens have the ability to get a driver’s license. If they chose to come to Illinois, under state statute and federal statute, they would also not be able to purchase firearms. So, my understanding is that this would not be a guise. We’re not giving the ability for some people to… that are undocumented to have the ability to purchase a firearm. I want to point out another speaker had an issue with whether this included just undocumented citizens or other people. In Illinois today, if you get a work visa… you, as an individual, get a work visa to work in the State of Illinois, United States of America, and you bring your family along, be it your wife, your husband, a son or daughter who’s over the age of 16, that has the ability to drive, the spouse or child of, would not have the ability to get a Social Security number. These are people that come along with someone who has a work visa. The person who has the work visa would have the ability to get a Social Security card and then get a driver’s license, but their family members would not be able to. Those are 09300113.doc 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 people that are here in a legal status that currently cannot get an Illinois’s driver’s license. I wanted to make that point clear. As a number of speakers have said, this issue is about road safety in the State of Illinois. As the chairman of the task force in immigrant and refugee issues, we’ve had a number of hearings around the State of Illinois. There are people that have chose to make Illinois their home. And they are working every day in communities around the State of Illinois. They are gonna continue to work, regardless of the outcome of the Bill today. Do we, as a Body, elected officials, choose to have those individuals go through driver’s training, get insurance, and have a legal driver’s license? How many times have we seen people that have been in car accidents that did not have driver’s licenses and insurance? Your own constituents, I’m sure, that have had that situation. This Bill would allow for people to get insurance, go through training, and help make our roads safer, those individuals that are living and working here today and call Illinois home. I would ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

"Like to remind the… our guests in the gallery that demonstrations are not permitted. The Lady from Cook, Representative Davis. For what reason do you rise? He indicates he will.” Davis, M.: "Pardon? Representative, we are speaking of undocumented residents. Is that correct?”

"In… in some cases, yes.” 09300113.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Davis, M.: "So, when we say they’re undocumented, what exactly does that mean? Does that mean they weren’t born in Illinois? Does it mean that they… they crossed the border and didn’t get a passport? What exactly does it mean?”

"Probably, it would mean all of the above.” Davis, M.: "All of the above. So…”

"And in some cases, Representative, not only crossin’ the border because this just not deals with the country of Mexico, this deals with the country of Poland, Ireland, Asia, Ha… Haiti. This deals with….” Davis, M.: "…so in other words, Illinois is going to say that the Federal Laws, in reference to driver’s licenses, will be insignificant. That we shall, what shou… override whatever the Federal Government has stipulated. And people can come to Illinois and get a license to drive that will be used, in many cases, to support one’s legal residency. Is that right, Representative?”

"No, I… I don’t believe so.” Davis, M.: "Do you… I understand there are about 340 thousand undocumented residents in Illinois.”

"I would say about 300 thousand.” Davis, M.: "About 3….”

"Es… estimate.” Davis, M.: "Where are they from?”

"I would say from around the world, Representative.” Davis, M.: "Equally divided?”

"Possibly.” 09300113.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Davis, M.: "Let me ask you this, Representative. According to your legislation, they would have to show that they are who they say they are?”

"Yes.” Davis, M.: "How… how will they do that?”

"Well, they have to provide a birth certificate from the foreign country, and for legal residents, a passport.” Davis, M.: "Well, of course, if they’re legal… we don’t even have to talk about them, do we?”

"Not necessarily. As Rep… the Representative who spoke earlier states that a person on a visa to work and issued a work permit here in the United States, they bring their family members over. They might have a passport. So, they, in turn, will be eligible. They must… they must provide that and a birth certificate from the country they are from.” Davis, M.: "So, I see your legislation also states that they should surrender all illegally obtained forms of driver’s licenses.”

"Yes.” Davis, M.: "So, in other words, here again there’s some illegality. You’re being here illegally and you’ve got an illegal driver’s license, is that right?”

"Representative, currently, in most communities that have a large population of immigrants, driver’s license, Social Security cards are being sold on the street corners just as frequent as drugs are being sold out on those corners.” 09300113.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Davis, M.: "But that doesn’t make it right, Representative.”

"Yes, that’s correct.” Davis, M.: "That doesn’t make it right, does it? Let me ask you this. Will any of these drivers have DUIs from their foreign country or will we ever know?”

"I don’t think a person is required when he arrives in this country to state that I was once convicted of a DUI. I… I would…” Davis, M.: "But… but, Representative, if you’re a United States’ citizen and a resident of the State of Illinois, our laws say if you’ve been convicted of a DUI you may go a period of time where you can’t drive. Now, what you’re saying is the record of these people is unimportant, they can drive. That’s what you’re saying. You’re saying the Illinois resident being denied the opportunity to drive is insignificant.”

"Not… not necessarily.” Davis, M.: "But the people who come without any records… without any record, we don’t know if they were imprisoned, we don’t know if they were pedophiles, we don’t know if they were domestic violence abuse, we don’t know.”

"Rep… Representative, let me answer your question. I mean, you’re… you’re going ahead of me. You asked me a question…”

"One minute.”

"You asked me if they’re required to discuss whether they received a DUI in the country where they… where they came from. When I visit other countries, it’s not one of 09300113.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 the requirements when I go through immigration to state that I was convicted of a DUI.” Davis, M.: "If you’re seeking a driver’s license, it probably is.”

"I… I would doubt that, Representative. I… I mean, I’m not an expert on… on foreign policies, but I… I would doubt that.” Davis, M.: "Okay. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to the Sponsor, I believe that if we’re a country of laws, then those laws should apply to all people. I certainly have many friends that I would like to see skirt certain laws that are placed upon them. But in my opinion, it is unfair to the rest of society who has to abide by the law. Now, if being… I won’t say an illegal person or being undocumented, it takes too long to get legal. Go to the Federal Government, go and fight in Congress, lobby the Congress people to shorten the process, but don’t ask the Legislators in Illinois to legalize an illegal event. It is unfair to the rest of the residents in this state. I don’t know what your background is because you come with no record. You are issued a passport in a country based upon your behavior in the past. Most countries… or the United States, won’t accept you if there’s certain crimes. But if you come without any of this, you come with a blank page. Don’t ask Illinoisans…”

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Giles. For what reason do you rise?” 09300113.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I yield my, I believe, ten minutes to Representative Flowers.”

"I don’t think you have ten, but she can get five. Representative Flowers.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Acevedo, the Bill states that you must sign an affidavit if you are applying for a driver’s license. What would you use to file that affidavit to the Secretary of State’s Office that you are try… that you are really an immigrant and that you’re not eligible for a Social Security number?”

"I… I believe that would be up to the Secretary of State to have those affidavits on hand, Representative.”

"Well, there are certain… there are certain laws that… on the book alre… on the books already that state that when you sign an affidavit there are certain things that you have to do, certain proof that you have to have. So, what proof will this person have to sign this affidavit?”

"Well, Representative, I would think when that person goes to reissue his driver’s license, if by that time they have… that individual has not filed an affidavit, which he… he is actually filing an affidav….”

"No. Rep… Representative, you know what? I’m really trying to figure out what’s going on. Because the Bill says….”

"I understand, Representative. And I’m trying to help you.”

"Your Bill says that at the time that you filed with the Secretary of State, at the time of application, an 09300113.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 affidadit… affidavit stating that the applicant is an immigrant and not eligible for a Social Security number and that the applicant will file for an application to become a permanent resident. So, my question to you, Sir, is what will the person use to authenticate the affidavit? Let me… let me just say this….”

"There’s… there’s… I can’t explain what it… I mean, an affidavit is an affidavit. You’re… you’re signing your signature stating that you are… you are at the… at the… as soon as you are eligible to… to become a permanent resident.”

"But Rep… Representative, the point is that you must show proof as to who you are and where you’re from. So, what will you use to authenticate the affidavit?”

"The affidavit will be issued by the Secretary of State’s Office. They will have it on hand and you will have to sign that affidavit.”

"You know… To the Bill, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.”

"To the Bill.”

"You know, I applaud what it is that you’re trying to do, Representative. But there are people who are legal who cannot get a driver’s license for reasons that they’ve done illegal things. Just yesterday, I have to say that there was a Bill passed that stated that if you are picked up by the police, you can have your DNA taken as well as your fingerprints done. You don’t have to be charged with a crime. Now, mind you, the people that’s applying for the 09300113.doc 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 driver’s license have did something that’s illegal, but yet there was… that Bill passed. There was another Bill on the floor that says if you haven’t paid your fees, your driver’s license… Now, I’m legal but I just forgot to pay some of my fees. My driver’s license can be taken away from me. But yet, you want me to give someone who has committed an illegal act, a privilege. And… and you know what? There’s… I… I agree with some of the previous speakers in regards to the Constitution and the rights, the… the very rights that people are entitled to. But driving is a privilege, and there are certain things that you must do in order to earn that privilege. And I think what we are doing here, again, is sending a bad message that it’s okay to break the laws. The fundamental principle on which this country was built was that we must comply with the law. And we’re saying that it’s okay that you do it and then those… But let me just say this, I called the Secretary of State’s Office and asked them to give me a handbook. And here they have a handbook written in Polish, one written in English, another written in Spanish. So, who is going to pay for that, Representative? Who is going to pay for the other books for the other countries of people? And how many more people are… are gonna have to be hired in order to deal with this information? And can you just answer that? And one other thing, how much is it gonna cost for the person who’s going to apply for this driver’s license under your Bill? How much is it gonna cost?” 09300113.doc 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Mr. Speaker, she’s asked me a question, she said to the Bill.”

"Mr. Speaker. Mr… Well, I… I wanna ask a question, if you could just…”

"She said to the Bill.”

"How much will the driver’s license cost?”

"Mr. Speaker, she said to the Bill, now she wants to ask me more questions.”

"Do you care to answer the question or no? Her time is up. The Gentleman refuses to answer the question. The Lady from Cook, Representative Mendoza. For what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong support of this legislation. And let me just start by saying that I might want to remind the Body that just maybe an hour or so ago we voted on an important piece of legislation, an expungement piece of legislation. And if I recall correctly, I think every button up there was ‘green’. And so, the fact of the matter is, we’re saying we believe that some people do commit an illegal act and maybe they need a second chance or we need to move forward. We voted to allow those people to work. This Bill allows people to drive to work. And the only illegal activity they’ve done is come to this country looking for a better life and trying to incorporate into a society. By what? Working and paying taxes. These people pay taxes, let’s make no mistake about this. They are here, they pay taxes, but they are many times afraid to exercise their right and to… 09300113.doc 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 to ask for things that they deserve. I mean, quite frankly, not only do we need to be looking at creating a policy that is somewhat consistent right now with what we’re hearing on a federal level, but also looking at, like many of the speakers spoke… spoke previously, not looking just for certain constituents, but all constituents. There is, of course, a social element to this that this is the right thing to do, but it’s also a… a… a safety issue. I want to agree with certain Representatives who have talked about how many times have we been driving on the road, gotten into some sort of an accident, and had no recourse for legal residents or legal citizens. And so, you know, this Bill encourages us to be able to have documented people in… not in a legal sense in terms of now they can go vote, but that we know who they are, where they live. And I believe that if by having a fingerprint system involved as well, this absolutely does help in having a better grasp on who’s amongst us and why their reason is for being here. Now, we can sit here and argue or try to make this seem like it’s people that just crossed over the border. But you know, we have people who are Chinese, who are from Africa, who are from China… oh, I already said China, excuse me… from El Salvador, from Mexico, from Canada, you name it. Everyone comes to America because this is the land of opportunity. You know, when my parents crossed the border, I’ll admit it, they came here undocumented. And my parents, other than that one law, have never in their life ever broken another law because they believe in coming to 09300113.doc 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 America to make this country better, to make this country great. And that is why I can stand here right now and try to make these arguments because most people, given the opportunity, most immigrants will… are dying, literally dying, in many cases, to be able to one day call themselves Americans. So, for us to deny them the right to better their life is so un-American on so many different levels. So people, we’re talking about helping ourselves create a better society, making a safer society, doing the right thing. I don’t think this is about pandering. I simply think that there are a lot of Representative who, perhaps, are undecided on what they’re gonna be doing when they cast that vote, not because they don’t believe it, all the opposite. I’ve talked to some of you and understand that some of you know that this is the right thing to do, that some of you want to vote this way but think that your constituents might have a hard time understanding. Well, a lot of times we have to come here and take votes that are hard to explain back home. But ultimately, we have an obligation to do the right thing and to be able to be the adults who were elected here to represent our people… all the people, all the people in Illinois and go back and explain to them why we voted, not just on behalf of people from Chicago or from any other corner in the state, but on their behalf and in their protection, as well. So please, vote your conscience in that regard. And if you’re hesitant because my constituent might not understand, well, there’s a lot of us here who are willing to work with you 09300113.doc 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 to help get that message clear to your constituency. But we do need your vote. This is one of those days where it really makes a difference whether you hit ‘green’ or you hit ‘red’. And it doesn’t make a difference for us directly here, it makes a heck of a lot of difference for legal residents, for undocumented residents, and for people who, again, their only crime has been to come to America looking and wanting a better life for them and their family and who, let me remind you again… I know I only have 20 seconds, I’ll cut it now… pay taxes. They pay taxes, they pay taxes. I ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

"Like to remind the gallery that there is no demonstrations from the gallery. You will ask… be asked to leave if you continue to demonstrate. The Lady from Cook, Representative Soto. For what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I stand in strong support of this Bill. During the summer, I participated in meetings to help shape this piece of legislation, worked together with many friends here in the General Assembly on both sides. Up to today we have continued to work together to continue to improve it. This Bill is going to help our economy, this Bill is gonna keep our roads safe, these… this Bill is gonna keep your family safe. I, wholeheartedly, ask for your… for your support. I need your strong support today, we need your support. This is a very important Bill and I urge your ‘aye’ votes. Thank you very much.” 09300113.doc 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

Speaker Turner: "I’m gonna ask the gallery to be… The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Delgado.”

"Thank… thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

"To the Bill.”

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly of the House, Representative Acevedo worked extremely, extremely hard in appeasing all of our concerns and making sure that we were able to talk about this angle of the Bill. Did we indeed have a way to secure a document to know who’s on our highways? And if there’s not document, we always said at DCFS… if it’s not documented, it didn’t happen. We have no clue who’s working out there. Well, I… Ya know, a lot of us come from law enforcement, Eddy Acevedo… Representative Acevedo’s a police officer. He’s a person who knows… who’s trying to say… every day when he walks up to a car, he’s not sure who’s in that car. And they’re citizens, but he has to protect his safety. And at the same time, you want to talk about dignity, we have bent over backwards in shaping this legislation. This Representative has networked with everyone in this chamber. We’ve worked with the Republican side and even Senator Winkel, who was a… graced this chamber at once upon a time, and he came forward and… and helped even to create and understand in his communication with Homeland Security for our state and… and with the rest of this country in recognizing that this particular piece of legislation isn’t isolated. This is being discussed all around this nation in trying to support our safety of our citizens and the sovereignty of this 09300113.doc 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 great nation. And the pro… and the point is, it’s not about undocumented individuals, it’s about human beings. Human beings, as previous speakers have talked about, that pay taxes. But we’ve gone even further. They asked for a fingerprint. Something that we don’t even do. Something that if we did, some of us in that minority group would feel conde… that… that this is an insult to our being as an American person, as a human being, forgetting from what part of the world we came from. And yet, people have put that… we still did that. And we’ve jumped through every hurdle, every hoop in trying to compromise this legislation. And Representative Acevedo should be commended for going beyond the call of duty in shaping a piece of legislation that has really… still, this population has said, ‘we’ll do that.’ We… if… if, indeed, we’re… we’re starting to even question the dignity. If… if… who would apply for this piece of le… for this driver’s license? But yet, we understand the ramifications of being able to go to work, to take my loved one to the doctor, to be able to take my children to play in the parks, to be able to take’em to school safely and not worry about some kind of blue light lighting up behind ‘em. We’re talking about senior citizens. We’re talking about young kids and, as the previous speaker spoke, about someone who… who’s probably been here longer than some of us and they’ve contributed to our society. So, when we talk about what is it that we’re trying to gain from here, these are families that want to maintain that dignity. And all they’re asking 09300113.doc 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 is the respect. They are participating in all of our communities at different levels of numbers. But let’s do it when it’s important in this historic moment, because 10 years from now when this is passé and when everyone is onboard, then remember where you were at when you had that opportunity to make Illinois’s roads safer and to bring it together. And by the way, safer, we have judges in traffic court that says this must happen. We have many, many people in law enforcement that say this must happen. But now it’s up to you to be able… not to make a political vote, but to make a vote of conscience and of public safety. And let’s be responsible, because anything difficult is worth doing. And let’s lead this nation in terms of making sure that the rest of this country is doing the right thing. And let’s talk about our brothers in California. That Governor in California vetoed his. But no, he’s putting one together because he wants to deliver it. And that Gentleman is from the other side of the aisle. But I assure you as I stand here that you will see that come about. And when you do, it will be in his words. And that will be okay. So please, in your heart, use your intelligence. Let’s do the right thing for Illinois. And no matter where you’re from in this state, this Bill does affect….”

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Rose. You spoke earlier in the debate. For what reason do you rise?”

"State your correction.”

"Sorry, go ahead.”

Speaker Turner: "Thank you for the clarification. The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Brady. For what reason do you rise?”

"He indicates he will.”

"That’s correct.”

"That’s correct.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Collins. For what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to yield my time to Representative Davis, please.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Davis.” Davis, M.: "I want to yield my time to Representative Flowers.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Flowers. And the clock is running.”

"Representative, I just have to ask one other question. The test that they will take, because I told you about the various books that’s in the Secretary of State’s Office, one in Polish, one is… one in English, and the other in Spanish. Now, I have the… the book here in Polish, as well as English and Spanish. But the… the book that the people would have to study, the signs are in English. Will this… will there be… how will they learn the various signs in Spanish?” 09300113.doc 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Representative, this legislation deals with no such issue as far as changing signs. You’re asking about the book….”

"If… if they… but they wanna take a test, Sir. They’re gonna take test.”

"They are required to take a test.”

"And so, my question, is this test gonna be in English or in Spanish?”

"Representative…”

"Or whatever the native… whatever the native language is. What will the test be, please?”

"…representative, I believe that question should be left up to the Secretary of the State, he is the one who would require to apply to test that individual sta… applying for a driver’s license.”

"Okay. But…”

"This legislation deals with no such…”

"…but if we want them to pass the test, will the test be in their native language?”

"Again, Representative, I’m gonna state that’s up to the Secretary of State. He is the one issuing the test, he is the one responsible to… to… to apply the test to the individual taking… applying for a driver’s license.”

"The…”

"The legislation deals with the issue… they’re completely different from what you’re talking about.”

"…the… the… the legislation deals with who could apply and what the process is. And so, if you apply to take the 09300113.doc 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 test for a driver’s license… because you’re not gonna be just issued a driver’s license because you signed the affidavit, am I correct?”

"Yes.”

"You’re not gonna be just issued a driver’s license so, therefore, you’re going to have to take a test. Am I correct.”

"Yes.”

"And so, will the test be given in the native language? And if not, how would we be… because everybody’s talking about safety on the road, and I don’t see where that is in the Bill. I don’t… I… I haven’t read anything in this legislation that will say that I will be better off as a result of this Bill becoming law. What I do see is that the insurance companies will have to have insurance. And by the way, let me just ask you another question. Because the Bill says upon 30 days after receiving your license, you must purchase insurance. But it doesn’t say that… usually when people go to purchase a car they will have to show proof of insurance. But this Bill says that within 30 days you’re gonna have to show proof that you have insurance. But what if you don’t have a car? And certain people will just have a driver’s license because my friend has a car and I know I can drive my friend’s car, but I don’t necessarily have to have insurance. But anyone that applies under this legislation must have proof of insurance. Is that true, despite the fact you may not own a vehicle?” 09300113.doc 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Within 30 days, yes.”

"Thank you, Sir.”

"There’s a minute left. The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan. For what reason do you rise?”

"He indicates he will.”

"Representative, and… and… and I’m gonna tell you what was in the legislation before and how the Amendment… the Amendment added on, how it changes. Originally in the Bill, there was a $50 one-time fee plus the $10, which would make the license $60. That had a sunset of three years. The revenue for that would be 8.3 million over a period of three years. Once the sunset expired, no more $50 fee would be charged for… for a person applying for the first time. We changed that to $15 for the very first time, plus the $10 original fee of the… of the driver’s license. But we took away the sunset of 3 years and keeps it the $15 requirement in there permanently. Now, the Secretary of State already, according to the fiscal note, states he’s gonna probably need approximately $12 million up front to help employee… more employees to… to… to deal with the driver’s license issue. Now, the $15 is set aside in a special fund set up by the Secretary of State’s Office 09300113.doc 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 to deal with administrative costs. So, over a period of time, with the $15 adding up, that would cover the $12 million first issued to the Secretary of State’s Office.”

"Representative, I truly believe so. Senator Miguel del Valle will be picking it up in the Senate. But also with the help of Senator Rick Winkel, who we were happy to work with and work on the new Amendments added on as far as helping… working with the Homeland Security. We feel… we’re confident that this has a chance to pass.”

"Yes.”

"Representative, I’ve been working approximately three years on this legislation, but I… I’d like to state that the Senator Miguel del Valle has been working on this issue for the past 11 years.”

"Yes, Representative. Over a period of time, we’ve dealt with every issue brought to us by every individual, every organization, as well as the Governor’s Office. We have compromised on every issue to… where this Bill is even watered down, where some organizations said, ‘we are willing to compromise that issue.’”

"I… I would believe so, Representative.”

"That’s correct, Representative.”

"To the Bill.”

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro. For what reason do you rise?”

"Thank you. To the Bill, for a minute, and then I’ll ask a question. But I… I want to say this to the Body. As I’m listening to this debate… and Mr. Speaker, it’s certainly not your fault as to where the comments are going. There’s nothing you can do and you do a fine job. I happen to think maybe young Taylor could’ve done better. I saw her up there, maybe we could put her in the Chair. But there’s nothing you could do about it when the debate gets out of control. Let me tell ya what I mean by that, okay. I don’t understand how, in this chamber, when someone’s about to vote or someone’s about to talk, that we question their motives. I never understood that. You know, we use the words ‘pandering’ or we use the words that you should ‘vote your conscience’. I don’t understand where that comes from. I assume everybody in this chamber votes the way they think they have to vote. I don’t know what it means ‘vote your conscience’, you have to vote what your… what your constituency says. We’re all here and we all vote for the right reasons. So, if someone sort of implies that we’re voting for the wrong reasons or that we have some hidden agenda, I kind of get rankled by that. And that kind of bothers me. And I just wish we wouldn’t do that to each other, it makes no sense. It also makes no sense if we know the answer to the question… I don’t know why we keep berating the Sponsor, who happens to be a Leader, and we keep berating him and askin’ the same 09300113.doc 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 question nine times. Read the Bill, we know what it says. Now, to the Bill it says… the Bill itself. Let me ask this question of the Sponsor. Obviously, it says here that the… you’re changing the law. And right now, the law is you have to have a Social Security number to get a license, right? That’s the law.”

"Yes.”

"Okay. Now it says in your Bill that you have to get a federal employee identification number… wait, individual taxpayer identification number, right?”

"Yes.”

"Okay. Now, let me ask… or everybody in the Body can answer this. Can you make that up or do you have to get it from the Federal Government?”

"You have to obtain it from the Federal Government.”

"And the Federal Government gives it to these people, right?”

"Yes.”

"He gives it to… what… whatever we want to call… undocumented. The Federal Government has decided to give these people this kind of a number, right?”

"Yes.”

"They get a tax number.”

"Yes.”

"Okay. So, they give ‘em some type of status, whatever that status may be, right?”

"Yes.” 09300113.doc 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"All right. Now, you don’t have to be a citizen in this state to get a driver’s license, do ya?”

"That’s correct.”

"All you have to do is get a Social Security card.”

"That’s correct, Representative.”

"Now, I don’t know why if they’re not citizens, that you’re say… you don’t need a Social Security, but yet if the Federal Government decides and says, we’re gonna give you this tax ID number, that we in Illinois should say, well, you don’t exist as far as driver’s licenses are concerned. The Federal Government decided to give these people a tax identification number so they could be part of our society. It’s sort of disingenuous, as far as I’m concerned, that the Federal Government comes up and says, we’re gonna give you a federal tax ID number, but we’re not gonna give you a Social Security number so you can get a driver’s license. That sounds ridiculous to me. We all know that there is a problem in the way immigration laws are drafted and the way we go out and enforce them. We all know that. If you can vote for this Bill, and I really mean that, if you can… if you can’t, we understand it. And nobody should question your motives. But if you could think and reach deep down and figure out that all we’re doing here is saying if you can’t get a Social Security number, fine. But if you have a federal identification number, that you got from our Federal Government, you should be able to get a license. That’s all this Bill does and we should vote ‘yes’.” 09300113.doc 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Seeing no further questions, Representative Acevedo to close.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I’d like to take this time to thank my colleagues from the Latino Caucus, the individuals who stood up on behalf of my legislation, and every other organization that worked together to put this issue… working together on the Republican side and the Democrat side to make this issue move forward. There have been so many changes, we’ve cop… we’ve made so many compromises. Ladies and Gentlemen, today you are gonna be asked to make a tough decision. Do we give undocumented immigrants the ability to drive legally on Illinois roads, streets and highways? Some say this Bill seeks to help legitimize the sta… the status of undocumented individuals. Others ask, how can we give people who are here illegally any rights at all? This Bill does not change the status of undocumented immigrants. Instead, this Bill addresses the safety issues. This legislation will ensure that people who are out of… out there driving on the same roads as our kids, our families, and our neighbors know the rules of the road and they have to obtain auto insurance. Right now, as we sit here today, there are individuals who are uninsured, who don’t know the rules of the road, that are out there driving. That’s not gonna change. This Bill also addresses a side of life that most of us never see, the seamy world of black market licenses and fly-by-night insurance companies. Let me tell you what happens to communities where you find new 09300113.doc 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 immigrants in this country. Some of our more unscrupulous citizens make thousands of dollars on the backs of new immigrants by selling fake driver’s license, for up to $150 a card. This business is so lucrative, these black marketers pay gangbangers anywhere from $3 thousand to $5 thousand a week to work and have the permission to sell the cards on a gun… a gang-controlled corners. Others set up insurance companies that charge outrageous rates to insure unlicensed drivers and then quibble over or deny claims, leaving an already intimidated immigrant without the remedy of relief when involved in an accident. This is the ugly side of the driver’s license issue. This side will continue if we have done up to now what we have done, and that is turn our backs on this issue and pretend it’ll just go away. I know there are some people who are gonna disagree with me. And I guarantee you, if this legislation passes out of this House today, an individual is gonna sit at their computer or sit on their couch and look at TV and find out this legislation has… has passed out of the House of Representatives. And I’ve received this letter before, and he’s gonna sit at his computer and write me a very unpleasant letter. He’s gonna tell me that I don’t know what it means to be an American. Well, I ask him while he’s doing that, in writing that letter, to look up his family tree. Take a good look. Because while his family was crossing the ocean on the Mayflower, my family was already… my forefathers were already here, ‘cause I am part Native American and proud of it. My father served in the 09300113.doc 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Korean War, my family wa… members served in Vietnam, my nephew is in Iraq serving his country proudly in the United States Air Force. So, I know… I tell this individual, I know what it means to be an American. And as an American, a proud American, I’m here, introducing this legislation today. As a young boy, my parents taught me never forget where you come from. Today, I ask you to do the same. Never forget that we all, sitting here today, came from an immigrant family. This country was built on the blood, sweat, and tears of the immigrant population. We must not turn our backs on them. This is what makes this country so great. Our families came to this country looking for an opportunity. Let us give them the same opportunity our families received when they first arrived in this country. This country is called the land of American dreams, allow these individuals to fulfill their dream. One of the greatest heroes I admire, besides my parents, is John F. Kennedy. He wrote a book, Profiles of Courage (sic-Profiles in Courage). Today, I ask you, I implore you, dig deep in your hearts. Because this book tells about individuals who made so many sacrifices and stood up for what they believed in, and sometimes paid the ultimate sacrifice. So, I ask you once again, dig deep in your hearts and have the same profile of courage. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.”

"The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4003 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who 09300113.doc 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 43 voting ‘aye’, 68 voting ‘no’ and 6 voting ‘present’. This Bill, having rec… no, no, this Bill fails. Mr. Clerk, can you read the Rules Report?”

Speaker Turner: "On the Order of Second Readings, Representative Stephens, we have House Bill 4015. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.” 09300113.doc 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"The Gentleman from Fayette, Represen… Hold on.”

Speaker Turner: "Mr. Clerk, the Sponsor says there’s an Amendment 3, do you have record of that? Amendment 3 has not been approved by the Rules Committee yet.”

"Would you like to adopt Amendment 2?”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Amendment #2 be adopted to House Bill 4015?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"The Bill should remain on Second Reading. On the Order of Second Readings, Representative Mitchell, we have House Bill 4211. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.” 09300113.doc 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 is simply a request from the… the committee itself, the Judiciary Committee as we presented this Bill. And basically what it does is it raises the penalty from a Class C misdemeanor to a Class A misdemeanor. It also exempts minors that give tattoos to minors, in a home away from a parlor, exemption from prosecution. We’re… what we’re really trying to do is to work with those folks that get a tattoo illegally in a parlor. Be happy to answer any questions.”

"Seeing no question, the question is, ‘Shall Amendment #1 be adopted to House Bill 4211?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 42… Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, hold that. Representative Mitchell.” 09300113.doc 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 4211, there is another Amendment on the way, so I would request that it remain on Second Reading.”

Speaker Turner: "Mr. Clerk, 4211 should remain on Second Reading. Your request has been granted. Representative Eddy on House Bill 4224. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Representative Eddy on Amendment #2.”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 4224 be adopted?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

Speaker Turner: "Third Reading. On the Order of Second Readings we have House Bill 4426. Representative McAuliffe. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAuliffe.”

"Representative McAuliffe.”

"The Gentleman wishes….”

"Representative McAuliffe on Amendment #2.”

"The Gentleman asks leave for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 4426. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 4428. Representative Phelps.”

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from White, Representative Phelps.” 09300113.doc 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment makes changes requested by the Chamber of Commerce and the Illinois Municipal League and also the Department of Transportation. And I urge the adoption of the Amendment for House Bill 4428.”

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 4428. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Burke on House Bill 4432. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Nekritz, on Amendment #1. Representative Burke on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 would simply shell the Bill. And I ask for the Body’s favorable consideration.”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Amendment #1 to House Bill 4432?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say 09300113.doc 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 4510. Representative Reitz. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Gentleman from Randolph, Representative Reitz on Amendment #1. Take the Bill out of the record. Representative Grunloh on House Bill 4532, 4532. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Grunloh on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 basically does a few things to the Bill that passed out of committee. It changes the geographic area of the bonding authority to basically… the boundaries now are Interstate 70 on the north, Interstate 57 on the east… excuse me on the west, Interstate 64 on the south and the Indiana/Illinois border on the west… on the east side of it. And it also changes… 09300113.doc 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 it originally started out as a Southern Illinois Economic Development Authority, now it’s called the Southeastern Zone. We also… it had gaming in the first Bill, we… we have taken that language out. Those are the changes to the… to the Bill for the Amendment.”

"Seeing no question, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Amendment #1 to House Bill 4532?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 4650. Representative Collins. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Collins on Amendment #2.”

“I would like to adopt Amendment #4.”

"So, would you like to withdraw Amendment #2?”

“Right. Amendment 1, 2 and 3 withdraw.”

"The Lady wishes to withdraw Amendment #2 and Amendment #3. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the 09300113.doc 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #2 and 3 are withdrawn. Representative Coll… Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?”

"Representative Collins on Amendment #4.”

“Yes, I would like to adopt Amendment #4. Amendment #4 becomes the Bill.”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #4 to House Bill 4650?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #4 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 4827. Representative Winters. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4827… no, should Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4827 be adopted?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. We have Representative Joyce on House Bill 4895. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Joyce on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 to House Bill 4895 addresses concerns by Members of the committee. I believe with… after talking with Representative Bradley and working out this language we have an agreement. And I would move its adoption.”

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Bill… Amendment #1 to House Bill 4895. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

Speaker Turner: "Third Reading. The Lady from Cook, Representative Hamos on House Bill 4953. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“Thank… thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Last year we passed the Consumers Guide to Health Care. At that time we knew we would be coming back this year to add ambulatory surgical treatment centers to the data collection procedures. Amendment #1 responds to some of the concerns and questions that the Department of Public Health had and some language that we tried to work out in moving this Bill forward. And I’ll explain the full Bill on Third Reading.”

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 4953 be adopted?’ All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’… in the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"The Bill shall remain on Second Reading. On the Order of Third Reading, we have Representative Capparelli on House Bill 4652. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Hamos’ Bill shall remain on Second. 09300113.doc 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Representative Capparelli on Amendment #… Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Gentleman…”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 was… I said I wouldn’t move this Bill until the trial lawyers and the bankers… the Illinois Bankers Association got together. And they came up with an Amendment and it’s a simple Amendment. A bank or an operator of an ATM terminal who does… does not have to program to accept identification numbers in reverse order. That’s all it does.”

"…the Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4652. All those in favor shall say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

Speaker Turner: "Third Reading. On the Order of Second Readings we have House Bill 4977. Representative Biggins. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Representative Biggins.”

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 4977. All those in favor shall say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading we have House Bill 5094. Representative Meyer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Gentleman moved for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 5094. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. We have Representative Osmond on House Bill 5928. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: "The Lady moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 5928. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of 09300113.doc 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Bassi on House Bill 6750. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 6750. All those in favor say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Fritchey on House Bill 6951. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“Speaker, we would like to table Floor Amendment 1 and adopt Floor Amendment 2.” 09300113.doc 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Gentleman asks leave to table Floor Amendment #1. All those in… the Gentleman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #1. All those in favor say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?”

"Representative Fritchey on Amendment #2.”

“Floor Amendment #2 is some cleanup language that I committed to the Judiciary II Committee to add to the Bill. It keeps the intention of the Bill the same and we can debate it fully on Third Reading. I request its adoption.”

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 6951. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

Speaker Turner: "Third Reading. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Colvin on House Bill 6992. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Howard on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Amendment #1 eliminates the requirement or the provision in the original Bill that would have allowed administrative expenses to be deducted from the fund, the Eliminate Digital Divide Fund. A very small technical change.”

Speaker Turner: "The Lady moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 6992. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Representative Verschoore on House Bill 7015. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Verschoore on Amendment….”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment removes any and all changes made to the existing Vehicle Code Statute 625 ILCS 5-4-204, pertaining to police tows, reports, release of vehicles and payments. This was done to address the concerns raised in committee regarding the harshness of immediate tow of a car and arrest upon violation of the new 09300113.doc 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 Section 11-605-1, which if this Amendment is adopted will no longer allow. In addition, the Amendment changes subsection (d) through (h) of the newly added Section 11- 605-1 pertaining to special speed limits in work zones. First, the Amendment removes reference empowering the police to cause immediate arrest, tow of one’s car and charging a misdemeanor offense if the person travels 20 miles per hour over the work zone speed limit. If this Amendment is adopted the Bill will read instead that the first violation of the new work zone section is a petty offense with a minimum fine of $375, with a second and subsequent offense resulting in a petty offense with a max… a minimum fine of 750. The Amendment does not change the language that allows the court to charge an extra fine that must be deposited in the Transportation (sic-Safety) Highway Hire-back Fund. I would move for the Amendment.”

"Gentleman asks that Amendment #2 be adopted. All those… to House Bill 7015. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

Speaker Turner: "Third Reading. On the Order of Second Reading, Representative Flowers, we have House Bill 7030. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Flowers on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 authorize scholarships for registered nurses and people who are pursuing a nursing career. And I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions you have in regards to the Amendment.”

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 7030. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. On Second Reading we have House Bill 4510. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Reitz.”

"The Gentleman from Randolph, Representative Reitz on Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 to House Bill 4510 deals with the university appointments to a board. It should basically just… strikes out ‘federal’ in the 09300113.doc 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 appointments. This is a Bill we discussed on the floor last week. We have taken out the part dealing with board of reviews and it simply deals with… with university appointments.”

"Gentleman asks leave for the adoption #1 to House Bill 4510. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, we have House Bill 3830. Representative Parke. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Gentleman asks leave to bring the Bill back to Second Reading. Could you place the Bill on the Order of Second Reading? It’s been approved.”

"Gentleman asks leave to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 3830. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?”

"Third Reading. A Supplemental Calendar has been distributed on the floor. We are now going to work on that Calendar and move some Bills from Second to Third. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4594? Representative Beaubien.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 5298. Read the Bill. Out of the record. House Bill 4492. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Out of the record. Representative Washington on House Bill… Representative Bradley on House Bill 5445. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, we have House Bill 5735. Read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, we have House Bill 4108. Read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 5415. Read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. House Bill 6229. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

"Third Reading. Clerk, what’s the status of House Bill 4200?” 09300113.doc 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 5340. I’m sorry. What’s the status… Mr. Clerk, could you read House Bill 4200?”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, we have House Bill 5340.”

"Third Reading. Read the Bill.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4594. Mr. Clerk, could you read House Bill 6086? Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 6806.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 5734.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 6760.”

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what’s the status of House Bill 6806?”

"Mr. Clerk, what’s the status of House Bill 6760?”

"Mr. Clerk, and what’s the status of House Bill 5415?”

"Out of the record.”

“Representative Granberg in the Chair. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4481. If only ya meant it. 4481. House Bill 4481.”

Speaker Granberg: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I believe there is another Amendment that will be coming down the pike. It is ultimately our goal… we’ve reached an agreement to just add one more member to the commission that was established last year. And that person would be a member of the paint council or the paint industry. And I move for the adoption of Amendment #2.”

Speaker Granberg: "The Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment #2. On that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"He indicates he will.”

“Representative, I believe that there is another Amendment which deals specifically with that. I think Amendment #2 is an Amendment that shells the Bill. There is a further Amendment… a subsequent Amendment that will be coming and if that needs to be addressed we can address 09300113.doc 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 that in the subsequent Amendment. I will hold the Bill on Second Reading.”

“Representative, if so, in fact, it happened in the prior Legislative Session. I didn’t real… I was unaware that the Minority Leader did not have the ability to make the appointment. And we will correct that before we move this Bill to Third Reading.”

“That’s fine.”

“Mr. Speaker, I’d like to hold this Bill on Second Reading until the subsequent Amendment is in fact… has been prepared.”

"Representative Turner, do you want to adopt this Amendment? Floor Amendment #2?”

“We can adopt it.”

"Okay. Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2. On that question, all in favor shall say ‘aye’; all opposed shall say ‘nay’. The Amendment’s adopted. Mr. Clerk, hold the Bill on Second. Okay. On Supplemental Calendar, House Bill 5735. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Clerk….” 09300113.doc 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"Leave the Bill on Third Reading. On the Calendar, House Bill 4712. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Granberg: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Morrow.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 4712, as amended, amends the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Protections… Practices Act by restricting the manner in which Social Security numbers can be used. Amendment #1 inserts an additional exception that exempts the collection use or release of Social Security number by the state or a subdivision of the state. This Amendment is being offered to clarify that the Bill is not intended to restrict the necessary use of Social Security numbers by state agencies. This Amendment was offered by the Department of Employment Security. And Amendment #2 adds that any entity that provides insurance cards must print a unique identification number on the card as prescribed by the uni… Uniform Prescription Drug Information Act. And it changes the effective date from July ‘05 to July ‘06. I’d be glad to answer any questions on House Bill 4712 as amended.”

Speaker Granberg: "The Gentleman from Cook moves for the passage of the Bill. On that issue, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.” 09300113.doc 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

"He indicates he will, Sir.”

“Okay. Representative, I’ve been told that if we were to work to include that provision that there would be a cost added to that. And so that’s why we did…”

“…we did not try to address that…”

“…in this Bill.”

“Well, I’ve… I’ve been… I’ve been shocked because this Bill was originally opposed by some of the insurance companies and by some other entities. And in my 18 years of being an elected official, I have more Sponsors on this Bill than I probably have had on all the other Bills that I’ve introduced in the 18 years I’ve been serving here.”

"Anyone else seeking recognition? No one else seeking recognition, Representative Morrow to close.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just urge ‘green’ votes on House Bill 4712 as amended.”

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 4712. All in favor shall vote ‘aye’; all opposed 09300113.doc 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 shall vote ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there being 117 ‘ayes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. House Bill 4712, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, the committee schedule is being passed out on the floor. Mr. Clerk, would you read tomorrow’s schedule? Then we’ll be prepared to adjourn.”

"Thank you, Mr. Clerk. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Giles, for what purpose do you seek recognition?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know we have a 8:30 Elementary & Secondary Education Committee and… and we urge all Members to be on time. But also, Mr. Speaker, at the same time the Illinois House Black Caucus have a meeting at 8:30. We will continue that meeting at 8:30 in Room 122-B and it will 09300113.doc 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 convene right after the Consumer Protection Committee meets on one Amendment.”

"Thank you. Representative Dunkin.”

“Thank you… Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Just a reminder today… tonight, 7:00 the screening of Walking Tall. Paramount Pictures were generous enough to donate the film here to Springfield, just like they did Barbershop. So, if you or your secretaries or your friends, your staffers can come on out and support this free screening it would bode well for other movies, big movies, including The Rock and others to come here to Springfield. So, we look forward to your support with the Department of Commerce & Economic Opportunity and the Members here who voted unanimously to send that legislation to the Governor. Thank you. Tonight at 7:00, free screening, Walking Tall.”

"Thank you, Representative. The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

"Representative Dunkin.”

“Wow.”

“That’s a very good question, Mr… Representative.”

“The movie screening actually is gonna be right off of Veterans Parkway and Wabash, right near the Indigo Restaurant and Damon’s Sports Bar. Just where Barbershop is. In response to your question, I honestly don’t know.”

“Yeah.”

"Representative Davis.”

Speaker Granberg: "Representative Davis, do you seek recognition?” 09300113.doc 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004

“No… No, I don’t recall that, now. Depends on what lobbyist you take with you, you’ll get free popcorn. But… and you may have to report that. No… just a screening. Again, this is Paramount Pictures coming here to express… the theatre’s name… it’s right near Indigo. I’m… I’m too… drawing a blank.” Davis, M.: “Representative…”

“Parkway Pointe, right off of Veterans and Wabash.”

“Wabash and Lindberg.”

"Would you like to make a Motion to adjourn?”

"The… giving… allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, now moves the House stand adjourned until the hour of 12:00 noon, Thursday, April 1. All in favor shall say 09300113.doc 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 113th Legislative Day 3/31/2004 ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The House stands adjourned.”