Illinois House Floor Debate — April 1, 2004

“The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We ask the Members and our guests in the gallery to turn off their laptop computers, their cell phones and their pagers. And we ask the guests in the gallery to rise and join us for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. We shall be led in prayer today by Reverend Michael Tetmeyer of the First Pentecostal Church in Herrin, Illinois. Reverend Tetmeyer is the guest of Representative John Bradley.”

“We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Hoffman.” Hoffman – et al: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

“Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that there are no excused absences among House Democrats today.”

“Mr. Bost.”

“The Clerk shall take the record. There being 118 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. Mr. Verschoore.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everyone should’ve found on their desk today one of these invitations for a presentation of virtual reality 3D classroom training. There’s a mistake on there. It should be Room 114. But I would urge each and everyone of you to please try and find some time to go down and look at this. It’s really an innovative way of teaching and the test scores have really gone up where they’ve used this in Rock Island. Again, I would urge everyone to try to find some time. Thank you.” 09300114.doc 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Mr. Clerk.”

“Mr. Clerk… is Representative Slone in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 4850? 4850.”

“Read the Bill.”

“Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I regret to inform you that House Bill 4850 is a shell Bill. We were hoping to have received language from the Department of Public Health in plenty of time to adopt it onto this legislation. That has not yet occurred. And it is our hope to pass this over to the Senate and have language ready for it over there when we return from break. I would appreciate your ‘aye’ votes.”

“Mr. Parke.” 09300114.doc 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“I would hope not, Representative Parke. The idea here is that the Department of Public Health and EPA have been working for some time on this issue and the urgency comes from having received an indication from the U.S. EPA that Illinois is out of compliance on these systems and we need to do something. They’ve been meeting with all the stakeholders for several months. They were supposed to have language to us earlier and we haven’t seen it yet. And that’s why I’m asking the chamber to please move it forward as a shell. We have every reason to believe that they’ll have language that’s in proper form to be adopted in the Senate when we return.”

“I’m sorry, would it still be my intention, what?”

“No, my intention would be to call it if it deals with the subject matter we’re sending it over to receive.”

“Yes.”

“I’m sorry, Mr. Parke?”

“That is my intent, yes.”

“Mr. Black.”

“Representative Slone to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, the intent of the Departments of Environmental Protection and Public Health is to meet the concerns of the U.S. EPA that Illinois become into compliance with the Clean Water Act. That by no means implies that we would have to put everybody on a sewer system. And I have pledged that I will make sure that the Bill if it comes back from the Senate with other extraneous material will not be called for a vote again in this chamber. I would appreciate your support for getting it to the Senate so that we can move this process forward. I would appreciate your ‘aye’ votes.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 09300114.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Representative… there are 59 ‘ayes’ and 55 ‘noes’. Representative Slone.”

“Postponed, Mr. Speaker.”

“Put the matter on Postponed Consideration.”

“Thank you.”

“Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 6806? 6806.”

“Representative Cultra.”

“Mr. Bill Mitchell.” Mitchell, B.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will… excuse me, to the Bill. I just wanna congratulate Representative Cultra. He’s done a great job on this Bill. This is a Bill that could save lives in the State of Illinois. Already we’re having people dying everyday for lack of organs. Representative Cultra, under your leadership, you’ve got this Bill this far and I certainly appreciate it. And I urge an ‘aye’ vote from the House.”

“Mr. Dunkin.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I, too, rise in strong support of this legislation. Prior to coming here I worked to… worked with the Secretary of State’s Office in trying to promote this type of program. And it was very, very challenging for folk to come to the realization that organ donor… being an organ donor is very, very noble for someone to do. There are a tremendous amount of individuals who are in need of various organs from eyes to hearts to livers and lungs. For the Representative to come up with this great idea of a 09300114.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 deduction would help incentivize folk who can part with one of their active organs. And again, if you knew the number of individuals who are on the waiting list… on the waiting list for organs you would know also that this is a great piece of legislation. And I rise in full support of this measure. Thank you. And I urge an ‘aye’ vote for you.”

“Mr. Miller.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor yields.”

“Just… Representative, I just had a few questions. You had mentioned that the fiscal note on this would be a hundred thousand dollars. Is that correct? What is what I heard.”

“Can you explain that a little… if… if you’re offering a tax incentive of $10 thousand… up to $10 thousand per person. Is that just ten organs? Or is that ten…”

“Okay. So… so… so it’s for the auxiliary services of… if I wanted to donate my… my good kidney to my brother. 09300114.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Then me being hospitalize… or me being moved… going to North Carolina…”

“And as far as recording of these… these receipts in reporting of it, who would I… who would I…”

“Okay. And then… and it would just be eligible under the State Tax Code?”

“And as far as you know, if there any opposition to this?”

“Okay. Thank you, Sir.”

“Mr. McCarthy.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor yields.”

“Representative Cultra. Over here to the left.”

“Representative.”

“I was just wondering, this is only for expenses involved in an organ donation, correct?”

“Okay. And is it cumulative over a number of years or is it a one-time expense?” 09300114.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“And so if they… they apply for this deduction one year, there’s no way they could apply for it… for the same donation the next year even if they didn’t expend all $10 thousand?”

“Okay. So, for people who would do this like toward the end of a calendar tax year…”

“So, for a person who would be involved in something like this at the end of a calendar year, if you had like $5200 of expenses in 2004 and you had $5900 of expenses in 2005, you would probably have to make the decision, I mean, I’m either going to take one or the other even though it was only for one donation and it was very reasonable, you didn’t make it so it could expand over a year… over a course of any two years. But I think a person who would make a donation in December, the odds are their expenses would definitely extend into January, which it seems to be the goal of your legislation. So, that never came up in debate or anything?”

“So, you… if you had the wherewithal to do it, you’d just make a decision to take one or the other. But it clearly says it can only be in the one year?”

“Okay. Thank you.”

“Question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 113 Members voting ‘yes’, 2 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Black.”

“On page 10 of the Calendar there appears House Bill 4108. Mr. Aguilar. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Aguilar.”

“Mr. Saviano.”

“Question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 108 people voting ‘yes’, 9 people voting ‘no’. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 11 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 4432. Mr. Burke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4432 is a shell Bill. There are ongoing negotiations between bankers and the telecommunications individuals. And I would ask for the Body’s favorable consideration.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 78 people voting ‘yes’, 40 people voting ‘no’. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, 09300114.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 is hereby declared passed. Is Representative Bassi in the chamber? So, on page 13 of the Calendar there appears House Bill 6750. Representative Bassi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. There being no discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared 09300114.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 passed. On page 11 of the Calendar there appears House Bill 4594. Mr. Beaubien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Molaro.”

“Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just quickly. In committee you had given a hundred thousand dollars to Representative Biggins when we passed this Bill. So, I wanted to know if you’ve added a codicil to your will or is that still gonna stand?”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On 09300114.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 page 11 of the Calendar there appears House Bill 4652. Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Turner in the Chair.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment to House Bill 4652 is an agreement with the Illinois Bankers Association, the Illinois Trial Lawyers and the Illinois State Bar Association to clarify the permissive nature of Public Act 93-273, passed last year. It simply restates the fact that the law was intended to be permissive and not a requirement for any ATM owners or operators who install reverse PIN technology on any of their machines.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4652 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, and 3 voting ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4977. Representative Biggins. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Biggins.” 09300114.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Representative, I’m trying to figure out this Bill. My analysis is a little confusing. Would this now require an auditor to write a letter confirming the findings of the audit or not?”

“And if there’s a finding of there being no violations, would that also be required to be in writing?”

“So, tell me what this Bill would do then? I’m not sure I understand.”

“And right now they’re not required to even give an explanation, are they?”

“Well… well that… what you’re trying to do is level the playing field with the taxpayer then, and let them know what’s happening.”

“Sure. Would the intent of the Bill then be to help level the playing field, so if we’re being accused of something we… we know what it might be?”

“I appre… I think it’s a good Bill and I’d like to be a cosponsor.”

“Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig. For what reason do you rise?”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Yes, Representative Biggins, I’m advised that the Department of Revenue, the Illinois Department of Revenue is opposed to this Bill, at least in part because it requires the taxpayer to sign a letter at the end of an audit that… that there’s an agreement of everything that has taken place in that audit. Is that still part of the Bill?”

“Representative, I haven’t had any, at least in my district, any real complaints about at least the Illinois Department of Revenue. Is this a problem in… in your part of the state?”

“Thank you, Representative.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to House Bill 4977. Indeed, the Sponsor did respond to some of the concerns of the Department of Revenue by taking out the signature requirement and for that we are grateful. The Department of Revenue, however, says that this Bill is gonna cost us, cost the state taxpayers about $15 million a year. This, Speaker and Members of the House, is the lawyers’ full employment Act of 2004. Because what the department will have to do, I know there are lawyers here and I’m glad… I’m glad for you, 09300114.doc 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 but not for the rest of us. The department is going to have to hire legal teams to make sure that the information required under House Bill 4977 is absolutely without legal… the possibility of legal challenge. The reality is that businesses, individual businesses, are not complaining. They’re not complaining to me, they’re not complaining to you. Sometimes there are associations looking for ways to burnish their halos with their members, come along with proposals that they tell us their members want, even though we haven’t heard from the members that they do. And I think this is one of those proposals. Today, taxpayers, business taxpayers at the Department of Revenue, have the opportunity after an audit to have interviews, to have discussions to analyze the meaning of the audit findings. I think that’s good enough and I certainly think that the more that is required by House Bill 4977, $15 million, that money could be better spent on some of the programs our constituents are asking for so that we can fulfill our real responsibilities to the citizens of Illinois. For both the reason of additional bureaucrats and lawyers and $15 million, I urge your ‘no’ votes.”

“Seeing no further questions, Representative Biggins to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4977 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 67 voting ‘aye’, 48 voting ‘no’ and 3 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 11 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4650. Representative Collins. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Collins.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to withdraw Amendment #1 and just have Amendment #4 as the Bill.”

“The Lady asks leave to withdraw Amendment #1.”

“Mr. Speaker, can I move it back to Second, drop the Amendment?”

“Representative Collins, do you want to come up the podium. You’ll have to take the Bi… take the Bill out of the record. I think there maybe some… a written Motion is necessary. So, at this time we’ll take that Bill out of the record. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4958. Representative Bost. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.” 09300114.doc 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Bost. Out of the record. On page 10 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4055. Representative Black. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4055 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. And the voting is now 09300114.doc 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 84 voting ‘aye’, 34 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Sacia. For what reason do you rise?”

“The record will so reflect your intentions. On page 13 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 6992. Representative Colvin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Colvin.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 6992 amends the… eliminates the digital divide law concerning the use of monies for the digital divide fund. It has one major provision and that is it… a community technology center may receive a… the size of the grants have been changed from 50 thousand to 100 in terms of a maximum amount a community technology center may receive. There was a small Amendment on the Bill yesterday that was technical in nature. It dealt with how monies were distributed from the fund. That’s essentially the Bill. There was no opposition in committee. I’ll take any questions.” 09300114.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Howard. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“As a… as one of the five Members of the eliminate the digital divide advisory committee for the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity, I really appreciate the fact that my colleague is sponsoring this Bill. We’ve been able to give many, many organizations across this state the ability to help eliminate the divide by providing computer technology centers. One of the glitches that we found in the process of doing our work is that we were not able to help some organizations to the extent that we wanted because the $50 thousand was just not enough to provide the hardware and training. This Bill will allow that to happen and as well, allow any kind of interest that is generated to go back into the fund in order to perpetuate the program and we can continue to operate for perhaps months and maybe years to come. I certainly hope that all of you understand how important this is to the… eliminating the digital divide and will vote ‘yes’ for this legislation. Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke. For what reason do you rise?”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Colvin to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to point out that that last statement was a complete falsehood. It does not expand the program. The pot of money that’s there is the same pot of money that was there last year. All it does is expands the size of a grant that a community technology center can receive. Let’s not ask people to vote ‘no’ based on misinformation. The size of the program will not double. The size of the grant you can apply for is the only thing that’s doubling from the same size pool of money that was available last year. Thank you. I encourage you for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6992 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed 09300114.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘aye’, 0 voting ‘noes’, and 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 13 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 6552. Representative Brauer. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Davis. For what reason do you rise?” 09300114.doc 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Davis, W.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.” Davis, W.: “I just have a question for you, Representative. With this legislation is there any… any preference or guidelines that state that whether or not a physician is operating in a depressed communities, communities where they need medical professionals or is this open to any physician whether they are practicing in Barrington, Lake in the Hills, any communities like that?”

“The Lady from Sinclair, Representative Young. For what reason do you rise?”

“Will the Sponsor yield.”

“He indicates he will.” 09300114.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Would you… would you explain again what the Bill does?”

“Thank you.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Miller. For what reason do you rise?”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Just to follow up on Represen… a couple of comments that Representative Davis had mentioned. Representative, would you be interested in… the problem in the State of Illinois is a short of… a shortage of physicians or health care providers in certain areas. Whether they be downstate or whether in certain parts of Chicago or whatever… wherever. And I think with the certain amount of limited funds it would be more of an incentive to attract those in areas where there are short… shortages. And that shortage can be designated either through the Department of Public Health or through census tracking or anything like that. 09300114.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Is there any… is there any consideration on your part to be able to amend this whether in the Senate to address having those incentive packages or those individuals relocate to an area… area of shortage?”

“So, you’re… so…”

“Okay.”

“Okay. Well, what I’m saying is that if… if… the concern is, is that I… I come from an affluent area, okay, or a moderate income area, I come from Evanston, Illinois, for instance, and decide to go to University of Illinois Medical School and then decide to practice in Wilmette, which is a more affluent area. Yet I received a benefit versus an area in Altgeld Garden Community, Ford Heights, where I represent, could probably use a physician or two in that region or downstate or as other areas across the state could use it. And so, I guess the concern is, is that person seeking a benefit of the loan repayment in knowing that they’re gonna basically get a certain amount of income as a physician versus maybe a loss. And that would be their incentive for them to… to use this program, but to relocate in area where there is a shortage.”

“Well, I just wanna ask you, is your commitment at least or intentions to work with the Department of Public Health to make sure that those areas of shortage that physicians who are interested in going to areas of shortage would be basically first on the priority list versus individuals or is there some penalty of those who don’t go into those areas of shortage… shortage areas… that would be a penalty for those who don’t go in those areas?”

“Okay. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Yeah, I would like to commend the Sponsor on his legislation. As we know, there’s a shortage of health care providers all across the state and tha… this at least attracts them to the profession. We know that a lot of young people who are interested in being a physician or a healthcare provider. There are other business and professions that could actually make more money or do better without all the sacrifices. So, any incentive to 09300114.doc 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 give to those individuals who’s seeking a health care profession is needed by our State of Illinois. So, I would ask Members to support this legislation.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Dunkin. For what reason do you rise?”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Thank you. Just to go back to what Representative Davis pointed out about, first of all, the need to have such a piece of legislation, but more importantly a need to have… an even greater need to have it in the areas where there is a small amount of physicians, either in the rural areas or economically depressed areas. When I came out of graduate school at the University of Chicago, I spent most of my postgraduate work, professional work, in the Robert Taylor Housing Development in some of the most depressed or challenging areas on the Chicago’s west side. And the Federal Government, actually under Bill Clinton, had a loan forgiveness program based on you serving certain amounts of time or years in areas where there was a economic need and/or a lack of certain professionals. And I think this Bill should probably try to mirror that. Now, I know there’s an issue with the malpractice down… certainly in the southern region, down in St. Clair County, in areas that I’ve been reading about. Is there a… an opportunity for you to add an Amendment to this Bill, Representative, that would include certain communities that qualify for economically depressed status or looking at the poverty 09300114.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 rates or an area where there is a dearth of MDs in particular, where they can then qualify for this tax… for this loan forgiveness?”

“Right. But so, how do you… I mean, in certain areas across the state where there is a wealthier population, I’m sure there are a number of physicians who also service that community as well, probably one for every thousand or two thousand, whereas in certain communities downstate or even areas in economically depressed areas, I can name a number of them, from East St. Louis to Danville, certain parts of Decatur or just a number of places that are here. Quad Cities, that could benefit from physicians and their 09300114.doc 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 expertise serving that population down there. And again, just like the Federal Government has for social workers, for teachers, for nurses, they are allowed to have their student loans, a certain portion of them, forgiven because they serve in these particular communities. And I’m… what I’m simply requesting or asking is that if we can add a provision in here or an Amendment that says that if you are in an economically depressed community, if you are in an area where there is a dearth of physicians who can serve populations who may have to drive maybe, almost 500 miles or so, this type of program can truly impact and benefit the great people in the State of Illinois. So, would you be up for that, Representative?”

“So, you’re saying we wouldn’t have to do that now at this level? I know, obviously…”

“…things will have to be codified with the Department of Health. Do you have any idea of how much this would cost, just at the onset, just a rough estimate?”

“So, overall, this would cost for the first year, you said… did you say $45 thousand? Did I understand you correctly?”

“I mean, again, it’s… I think it’s a great program that you’re trying to initiate. I just think that if we focus 09300114.doc 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 it even at this level, before they codify it, that it can reverberate and probably set the tone for a number of other states as well. Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Poe. For what reason do you rise.”

“He indicates he will.”

“He’s listening.”

“To the Bill.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?” 09300114.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“He indicates he will.”

“Representative, I think you have the core of a good idea here, but I do need to explore some issues with you if you’ll work with me on this.”

“Thank you. That’s kind of you. Thank you. I’m reading through the Bill and I see that a… a physician would have to be a full-time physician practicing in Illinois, but I don’t see a definition of what ‘full-time’ is. Can you tell me why you haven’t defined that term?”

“Representative, you know and I know and from the blank stares on your side of the aisle we all know that’s not an answer to my question, so let me ask the question again. You want to provide this benefit to full-time physicians, but you don’t define the term. Now, some would think that maybe an emergency room doctor is full-time at 80 hours a week. And some might think a gynecologist is full-time at 20 hours a week. What does ‘full-time’ mean?”

“Well, I’m not sure they do have that, because your Bill doesn’t say that the Department of Public Health has the power to make rules under this Act. It does not say that the department can define the terms in your Act. Let’s 09300114.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 move on. You set a limit of three years and you say that these doctors who have now gone to school, what four years of college, maybe four years of graduate school, years of residency or maybe 11 or 12 years of education with loans. You want them to serve three years and make a commitment for three years. Why did you settle on three years? Not why… not five or seven or ten?”

“So, there’s no rational basis for that, you just picked the number?”

“The next question I have would be… would deal with the targeting. And I know you answered this before, but I wanna get a clearer picture of this. So, we’ve had Bills, for instance, I’ve had Bills on this floor that have said that your nursing loan… if you go to nursing school your scholarship might be forgiven if you serve in an area of need or if you’re… if you have loans because you got a degree to become a teacher, your loans might be forgiven if you teach in an area of need. But you haven’t limited this to an area of need. Can you tell us why you haven’t done that?”

“Right. But without a targeting isn’t it true that there’s no incentive for doctors to go to rural Illinois where they have severe crisis and health care?” 09300114.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Right. But a… isn’t it true that a physician who had… who might otherwise, because of possible targeting in this Bill to real specific areas of need, might wanna go there, now they won’t have to under your Bill to get forgiveness for their loans because they can go maybe make more money in Chicago or in Naperville or somewhere else. Doesn’t it seem to you that if you targeted this you would have a… a greater impact on your goal? Which I agree, we’re losing doctors left and right. I want to help you with that. But it seems to me that targeting this would get people where you want them, would get medical people where you need them.”

“But how do we get… how do we get a new gynecologist to one of those counties in Illinois, in downstate Illinois that don’t have gynecologist? How do we get them there with your Bill? They’re gonna practice in Chicago where maybe they can make more money, aren’t they?” 09300114.doc 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Representative, did I hear you say… well, let me ask you the question. What is the cost of this Bill?”

“Well, not according to your Bill, Sir. The Bill does not, as it’s written, have a single line that gives the department rulemaking authority to determine who will get these grants and who will not get these grants. I’ll wait while you look at the Bill with your staff.” 09300114.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. For what reason do you rise?”

“To the Bill.”

“Excuse me. Excuse me.”

Speaker Turner: “Representative… Representative Lang, you weren’t finished?”

“No, Sir. I had asked the man… the Gentleman a question. I’m waiting for a response.”

“Representative Black, Lang’s not finished. He yields. Brauer.”

“But not a word in there about targeting, correct?”

“All right. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. Thank you, Representative.” 09300114.doc 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“To the Bill.”

“Mr. Speaker, this is a good idea, but not a good Bill. I would join with the Representative in a goal of bringing more doctors to Illinois. And I would join in with the Representative in a loan forgiveness program for doctors to practice in the State of Illinois. But we have severe crisis in health care all over the state, yes, but specifically in many places of the state. We have whole counties of the state that don’t have an OB/GYN, whole counties in the state where you can’t get a certain kind of medical provider. We need to target this. Without a targeting, all of these doctors are gonna end up in the most lucrative type practices in the State of Illinois and we’ll still have a health care crisis downstate. Additionally, when we’re going to be repaying doctors for years and years and years of loans to only require them to practice for three years in this state and have their loan forgiven is just not enough. We need a longer period of time, otherwise they’ll do the three years and they’ll leave if they wish to leave and they’ll take advantage of the taxpayers of the State of Illinois. If this was a targeted program and if it required doctors to practice five or six or ten years, I would be inclined to join you as a cosponsor. So, I think, Representative, you have a good idea, but I think the Bill doesn’t go far enough in accomplishing your idea. If you would take it back to Second Reading even now and make those changes I’ll support you on the Bill. But if you’re not willing to do that then 09300114.doc 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 I’m going to be voting ‘no’ and I would ask my colleagues to do the same.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. For what reason do you rise?”

“The Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Boland. For what reason do you rise?”

“Yes, Mr. Speaker, I’d like to address the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“This actually is a good Bill and it addresses a statewide need. However, if we look at the price tag we know that it’s gonna be extremely expensive. It’s a… it’s a worthwhile cause, but I agree with several of the other previous speakers that it’s very important. I think, when the finances are so limited that we target those areas that are most in need, whether they be in inner cities of Chicago or Rockford or wherever, the Quad Cities, rather they be in rural areas of our state or rather they very importantly be in the border areas of our state, which if any areas in the state are experiencing a loss of physicians. So, what I would ask the Sponsor, I’m gonna vote for your Bill, Representative. I think it is a good step, I think it’s something we need to move forward on. But I would ask you that as this moves over to the Senate, 09300114.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 if you would have the Senate Sponsor, if you’d be willing to have the Senate Sponsor to add an Amendment that would put in, basically, the… the clause that this be targeted or that the first choice by the department would have to be those areas of greatest need for various specialties or for general practice, whether they be in the inner cities, whether they be in the border areas, that those be given to the… be given proper priority and that that be put in the Bill. I think that’s very important that we not just leave it up to the department that may or may not feel they have the authority to do that. So, I would request that. I don’t know if you’re willing to do that. I would hope that you would be. Would you be willing to do that in the… with the Senate?”

“Right.”

“Well, thank you very much. I think it is crucial that… that it be said in the Bill, because otherwise, you know, we leave it up to some bureaucrat, whether they be of wonderful intentions or not, to make those decisions and I know I would feel more comfortable and I think a lot of 09300114.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 other Representatives would feel more comfortable if that was in the Bill when it got to the Senate and therefore when it comes back to us. Thank you very much. I intend to vote ‘yes’.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks. For what reason do you rise?”

“To speak to the Bill, Mr. Speaker.”

“Speak to the Bill.”

“Thank you. I’ve had a chance to talk to the Sponsor, who I have immense respect for. And I understand what he’s trying to do with this Bill. But the way it’s written, it will not accomplish its goal. Obviously, we want to attract and retain our physicians. It’s very important. But the way this Bill is written folks, what could happen is someone could come out of med school and become a plastic surgeon and make a million dollars a year and then we can turn around and pay his or her school loans to the tune of $25 thousand, because there’s no restrictions here. We’re not talking about specific doctors or specific types of doctors in specific places. The way this is written, a person like that who’s making all the money in the world would get help. Now, we’re talking about… and we could be talking about some of the highest paid people in our state. We could be talking about neurosurgeons who make in excess of a million dollars a year getting this help. And I don’t think that’s the intent what we want to do here. We all have to recognize that we do live in two Americas. One where health care is readily available and accessible for 09300114.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 everyone and other areas where it isn’t. But what we have this same… two Americas. But we have that same problem when it comes to education as well. Some of our inner city schools that need the teachers aren’t getting the extra incentives that they should be getting. And if I had a choice, if I was going to be sending incentives to help with a problem with the shortage or teachers, I’d go there. Also, we have a crisis in health care in this state where we don’t have enough nurses. Now, we ought to be targeting nurses, too. If we’re gonna be handing some money and helping them pay back that’s where this money should be going. But the way this Bill is written out, no matter how well intentioned the Sponsor is, it will not achieve its goals. And for that reason I’m gonna be voting ‘present’.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Mitchell. For what reason do you rise?” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question.”

“The Gentleman moves the previous question. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. Opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And previous question is put. Representative Brauer to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6552 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk… the Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 97 voting ‘aye’, 10 voting ‘no’, 11 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. I’ll remind the Members there’ll be no demonstrations from the floor. The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“You… your…”

“You’re absolutely correct. The Gentleman from Cook Representative Delgado. For what reason do you rise?”

“Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. On that previous Bill, on the Bill that we just voted on my… my… I should be recorded as a ‘yes’.”

“You saying your button was April fooled? The record would so reflect. On page 10 in the Calendar, we have House Bill 4337. Representative Davis. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk. “

“Representative… the Gentleman from Madison, Representative Davis.” Davis, S.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4337 amends the Illinois Vehicle Code by providing that the Secretary of State may require a person who is a licensed driver to attend and satisfactorily complete a defensive driving school program based on certain criteria. The fact that they are convicted of… of two moving violations, or if they are convicted of a violation, a moving violation in a construction zone, and those provisions are set out in the Bill. It does exclude counties with more than 1 million people. This is an 09300114.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 initiative that the National Safety Council is pushing nationwide. They passed a similar Bill in Indiana last year. And it’s a safety measure to… to teach bad drivers how to drive safely. So, I would be happy to answer any questions. I would urge an ‘aye’ vote. And I would also urge my colleagues not to clap if… whenever it passes.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Seeing no further questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4337 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 5445. Representative Bradley. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Out of the record.”

“Out of the record. We’ll do Fritchey. On page 13 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 6951. Representative Fritchey. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Thank you…”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fritchey.” 09300114.doc 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“…thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, for many years now recognizing the need to protect our children we required background checks for our school teachers. On doing some research on related issues, I discovered the only one state in the country has background checks for camp counselors. We did some research and we found dozens of cases around this country of children being sexually assaulted or otherwise abused by adults that were in a position of trust at camps. What this simply would do is set up a provision for a requirement for background checks for camp counselors identical to that that we are implementing for teachers in this state. It will be overseen by the Department of Public Health that presently oversees the Youth Camp Act and executed by the Illinois State Police for both a state and federal background check. The cost of the background checks will be borne by the applicant. There is no cost to the state. The Illinois State Police are proponents of the measure. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Reverend Bob has specifically approached me approximately two hours ago for the first time. I understand what his concerns are and we had a very cordial and sincere agreement to sit down and see if we can address those concerns as we go over. Candidly, there is not time to fully determine what those concerns are and try to take them on between now and the end of the day tomorrow. It’s obvious… our intention not to hurt anybody or disadvantage every… anybody but rather to protect our kids.”

“I… I believe that the fiscal impact will be zero. The Department of Pubic Health would simply be a conduit for taking the applications that are turned in and turning them over to the State Police. The cost for the background checks are to be borne by the applicants.”

“Who is that?”

“They… they have no position on the Bill, Representative.”

“My… my… my understanding was that they had no position. If they are opposed, I would have appreciated them telling me that prior to debate.” 09300114.doc 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Well… the… the… there was a prior fiscal note on the Bill that was filed with a zero fiscal impact. And un… and under the Amendment nothing would change that, and I still maintain that the fiscal impact is zero.”

“And… and there’s nothing Representative in the Amendment that would change the fiscal impact. I… I still… I still maintain that the fiscal impact is zero.”

“Had the Department of Public Health talked to me about that I probably could have explained that to them as well.”

“I… I don’t see how. As I said, the department’s role would simply be taking the background check requests and turning them over to State Police.”

“Well, ev… even… the State Police already does have a mechanism for this since they do it for the teachers. But 09300114.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 I would submit that if there is a cost involved safeguarding our children at camps is a well worthwhile reason to expend those funds.”

“Thank you.”

“The Lady from Kane, Representative Lindner. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“That is correct.”

“The Department of Public Health presently oversees the Youth Camp Act in Illinois. And so, since we are simply expanding requirements on camps in Illinois, it made sense to put it under the Youth Camp Act. And that’s the department that presently has jurisdiction over that.” 09300114.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“It… it… it… it is very analogous to what we do for school teachers. When any camp that falls under the jurisdiction of the Act, when they have applicants to work as counselors, they would have those applicants go in for a background check. The state… it takes approximately five days according to the State Police to perform that check. And then there are certain prohibitions…”

“There are actually… there… they can either go to a police station. There are certain private companies that facilitate this, as well. It should be pointed out a number of camps already do this. The scouts do this, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Some of the not-for-profit camps already do this because they recognize the importance of doing this. So there are… you can either do it directly with the police or with certain private companies.”

“It… it… it is up to the camp to choose the method by which to get the required information to the ISP for processing.”

“Well… well, what… as I said, it takes the State Police about five… about five to seven days to do… to do this test. So, it would have to be, you know, about a week before they would… before they’d be starting their employment. Because part of the provisions in here as I started to say was as we do with school teachers there are certain convictions and felonies which would prohibit you from becoming a camp counselor. Certain drug offenses, certain sexual offenses, certain violent offenses. We don’t want those people teaching our kids. We don’t want them having oversight as camp counselors for our children.”

“The… the… there’s about a 38 to $40 charge to do a national background check. Again, the same way as we have with the teachers. Their fee would be borne by the… by the applicants not by the Department, not by the taxpayers. And that way we do make it cost neutral, which is why I’m kind of at a loss with DPH's objections. But at the same time, you know, even from a camp standpoint, paying $40 to make sure that you do not have a convicted felon in charge of your children is not only prudent money to spend, it’s a lot cheaper then defending a lawsuit down the road.”

“It… it… they would not conduct a background check. Maybe for a small fee they can take the prints or whatever needs to be done and submit that to the State Police. The most effective way to do it would be for these agencies and for these camps to work directly with the State Police as far as the most expeditious way to get them the information.”

“No.”

“No Ma'am.”

“No, Ma’am.”

“Yes.”

“Yes…”

“…there’s… the… the… same provisions that we have today in… in the School Code for provisions of background checking teachers with a prov… with the identical provisions that we have here. So you’d make the 09300114.doc 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 information available to the… to the applicant. Your… you’d make it available to the counselor that seeking employment as well and saying here’s what your background check showed. I believe that it is punishable either as a misdemeanor or felony for… it’s a Class A misd… misdemeanor I’m being told by my able staff here, to improperly divulge that information. So, all the confident… confidentiality protections we have in place today, remain in place under these provision.”

“Thank you. I appreciate it.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Delgado. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Just so the Body understands, to… this… this Bill was entered in Judicial Law. And when we heard it in Judicial Law, I’m the acting Chairman of Judicial Law. And it was very clear that we had a 13 to 0 vote on this piece of legislation as a Bill. And… and again, the Department of Public Health did not have any major objection. And we don’t want to convolute the intention of the Representative. Representative Fritchey has identified a very important aspect and there’s options. The camps can file it directly through the State Police, they have to 09300114.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 reimburse the State Police for the amount of money that they utilize to do this background investigation or they can go straight to ISP. But it’s very important to know, this thing flew out of committee 13 to 0. And I would ask for your ‘aye’ vote. This is a very good piece of legislation to protect our children in their camps while we’re back home doing the things we need to do knowing that our children are safe. I would ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6951 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 111… 112 voting ‘aye’, 3 voting ‘no’ and 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 10 of the… the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Port… point of personal privilege.”

“State your point.”

“Thank you. I read in a news periodical today that we get usually by fax that the great popcorn caper has been going on around here and I was hoping that based on the number of signatures on petitions relative to popcorn that the leader of the cause, Representative Joe Lyons, could give us a report on what’s happening with the popcorn in the Capitol Building.” 09300114.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lyons. For what reason do you rise?” Lyons, J.: “Speaker, I’m very happy to report that the… the short lived popcorn rebellion by the Illinois House Floor has probably been brought to a happy conclusion. Justin, our manager in the Ratheskellar, who’s been providing me with some samples of a much improved quality popcorn. So, I would… I would really like to defer to the father of Illinois popcorn who… who created popcorn as our official… official snack in the State of Illinois. ‘Popcorn Jack McGuire’, back here. Have… have you tasted the new and improved popcorn, Representative McGuire, being the father of Illinois popcorn? Maybe you’d like to comment on this also.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman… the Gentleman from Will, Representative McGuire.”

“Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad that the popcorn has improved and Representative Lyons gives me all the credit because I’m the father of the popcorn snack food. But the… the recognition and… an award should go to Joe Lyons. He’s the one that promoted the move to improve the popcorn in the basement of the building and so we have better popcorn. Thank you very much.”

“I can only make the assumption and I assume Representative Lyons will be able to answer this question. That that popcorn is Illinois grown popcorn?” Lyons, J.: “Speaker, I will look into that. It’s definitely popped in the State of Illinois in the bottom of this 09300114.doc 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 building. Where exactly its origin is, I’ve been told by Dave Winters, who knows a little bit about popcorn, who’s actually grown a special ear of corn. Dave, you told me this yesterday, that a ear of corn pop… grown for popcorn is a very small ear. And he’s had crops of it. Dave could add the agricultural background to this. And that I guess Eastern Illinois and Western Indiana is some of the best popcorn growing pop… popcorn in the country. So, I’m just displaying, Speaker, as long I have. I have a young lady in my district by the name of Shannon Malone, a second grader, who before this popcorn crisis became an issue, made a beautiful poster for me. She’s a second grader at St. Tarcissus School. And so it’s on display here again. Just add support to a higher quality popcorn. And to Justin, downstairs thanks for… for… bringing the quality up, markedly improved from yesterday and the last few weeks.”

“Movie yesterday, popcorn today. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On a point of personal privilege.”

“State your point.”

“I’d like my colleagues to help welcome my former and our former colleague, Ray Frias, to the chamber this afternoon.”

“Representative Frias, welcome to the House.” 09300114.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro.”

“If we were going to continue to talk about popcorn I was gonna move the previous the question. But thankfully we’re off that subject.”

“On page 10 in the Calendar, we have House Bill 3975. Representative Cross… Representative Coulson. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 3975 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there 118 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 13 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 6760. Representative Dunn. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.” 09300114.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The Gentleman from Will, Representative Dunn.”

“The Gentleman from Lang, Repre… I mean, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?” 09300114.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“He indicates he will.”

“Representative, a couple of quick questions. First, hi, over here. First, what is your intention? Obviously, you felt the Bill needed work. But where do you intend to go with the Bill?”

“Now, if it comes back in similar form then I would have this question. I understand that this is nontaxable property now ‘cause it’s owned by the church. But wouldn’t this parking lot facility that’s created there be making money for a third party?”

“Almost.”

“So, I’m not so much worried about the… whatever they’re paying to the church for the use of the property, but the parking lot itself is certainly gonna make lots of money, right?”

“How many spaces are contemplated for this parking lot?”

“Last question. Will you commit to us that when this Bill comes back it will only be about this issue and not others?”

“Thank you very much.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fritchey. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.” 09300114.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Hey, Representative, I understand this is a shell Bill. But to follow up on some of the issues brought up by the previous speaker, the issue of the property tax exemption for relig… for religious and charitable uses has long roots here and has understandable roots here.”

“When we’re looking at a religious institution that is nevertheless renting out property for profit to a public entity, why shouldn’t they have to pay tax burden on that land? At that point, what differentiates that use from any other land owner?”

“But that… but that’s not the fact pattern we have.”

“Woul… woul… would it not maybe make sense then just to incorporate in the lease that in addition to the lease payments, Metra would pick up the tax obligation, and now you don’t have a constitutional question anymore? You don’t have a tax impact on the school districts.”

“No… no… no and… and I… and I appreciate that you are in… we’re down here to try to find…”

“…solutions to what may be unique problems in our district. As a conceptual matter though, we had a Bill that was brought primarily by city Legislators for property tax reform. And there was a hue in cry about doing anything that took any dollars away from our schools in this state. I realize Representative, that we’re talking about a de minimis amount of money here. But it’s a conceptual issue that we had that if we are going to hold the line and not penalize our schools and not create special situations for these areas, then it should be a bright line that we draw. It seems to me that if the law is as it is today… the church involved knew this. Metra, absolutely knew this. Let them enter into a business relationship that reflects the law today. Let Metra, if it’s in their economic benefit to do so and I assume it is, to assume the additional tax liability that the church may incur. We don’t get into these constitutional questions. We don’t get into these philosophical questions and we don’t start having to further amend the Tax Code into a greater patchwork than we have today. I’m… no pun intended, I’m not trying to derail the legislation. But I am saying that I… I don’t know that this is the best way to handle this.”

“Well… well, I’m… I’m looking at our analysis and among the opponents we have the Department of Revenue, but additionally, we have EDRED as an opponent and the Illinois Statewide School Management Alliance as an opponent.”

“I’m… I know the feeling. I just had it happen to me. But… but the people that are sensitive to that, you know, they should be aware that EDRED and the alliance are opposed to this Bill. I… I…”

“Well and I… and I think that all of us deserve better than to have these surprises be sprung up on us as the last minute.”

“I do respect what you’re trying to do. I think we find ourselves in a tricky situation where we find ourselves placed between what the schools want and what our churches want. But that’s precisely were this Bill puts us. And I think we all need to be aware of that. I appreciate your candid answers and I wish you the best in these endeavors. Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Crawford, Reprsent… ative… Eddy. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Seeing no further question, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6760 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now 09300114.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 76 voting ‘aye’, 34 voting ‘no’, 8 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 14 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 7030. Representative Flowers. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Representative Flowers.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 7030 authorizes scholarships for registered nurses pursuing their graduate degree. And also for students who’s pursuing a hospital-based diploma in nursing. And I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions you have in regards to House Bill 7030.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 70… the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. For what reason do you rise?”

“She indicates she will.”

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“Yeah.”

“Please do.”

“Please do.”

“Thank you, Sir.”

“Seeing no further question, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 7030 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there 116 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘no’ and 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 10 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4224. Representative Eddy. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Out of the record. Page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 6229. Representative Hassert. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is ‘Shall House… the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Representative, I just had a chance to see this for the first time and I wanted to follow up on it. Would this also affect the RTA?”

“Who would this affect?”

“Will it have any affect at all on the collar counties? Will McHenry County be involved?”

“Okay, I’m just… I’m always wary when I… when I see these changes.” 09300114.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“And is there any opposition to this that you’re aware of?”

“Thank you.”

“Seeing no further questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6229 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 11 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4426. Representative McAuliffe. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAuliffe.”

Speaker Turner: “The Lady from… the Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“The Lady from Kane, Representative Lindner. For what reason do you rise?” 09300114.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“He indicates he will.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro. For what reason do you rise?” Molaro: Sponsor yield for a question?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative, you know, you have sex offenders, obviously it’s… it’s proven by its own term ‘sex offender’. Whatever caused them to do that, you know, I don’t want to get too blue out on the floor here, but obviously there’s arousal so they can at any time strike again. There’s no doubt that with arsonists, is there are these people, I don’t know what the term is, maybe you could help me with the medical term of the people who like to set fires almost like a disease. And I assume that’s what you’re trying to get at here, that even after they serve their term they still might like to commit another crime. They just can’t help themselves so you register them. But how many of these arsonists… what if… 09300114.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 what if someone’s convicted like an… an arsonist for hire, where you know they did it for the money. They watch some of these TV programs that show someone was hired, they torch a restaurant, we know they’re not people who get turned on by committing fires. But the answer just was an arsonist. Does this… are they under the same requirement as the people who are sort of psycholodig… psychologically have a disorder that are… that are arsonists?”

“Right.”

“Well… well, I… you know, I’m… I’m probably gonna vote ‘yes’ on the Bill except that I hope we’re not heading somewhere that every crime when it’s over and somebody does their time, pays their debt to society that now they want to move forward and we’re gonna put them on a list. Now, I don’t know how readily available this list is. I don’t know if it’s gonna be on some Internet that basically brands somebody the rest of their lives even after they did time. And even if it’s some list that’s supposed to be kept with the State Police, God knows where these list are going. Because then when someone’s done with armed robbery or someone’s done with burglary we’ll put this… them on an 09300114.doc 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 armed robber list or a burglary list. Because whether it’s an arsonist or an armed robber, to be quite honest with you, when someone’s convicted of a Class X fine which is most arson… arsonists are, I don’t know if there’s anybody in the state that says even though we believe in rehabilitation I don’t think there’s anybody that wants someone who’s convicted of an arson or an armed robbery livin’ next door to them. So, I just want to make sure we’re not creating this list and we’re gonna have a list for every crime and then we might as well just sit up a certain part of the state or city say anybody convicted of a Class X or certain fine could actually move there and probably nowhere else ‘cause who the heck would want them. So, I… I don’t know if you’re doing this to protect society at large or so we know where they’re at or, you know, I… I really don’t know why you’re doing it. But I guess I’m forced to vote ‘yes’.”

“Seeing no further questions, the question is, ‘Shall House… House Bill 4426 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 11 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4532. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.” 09300114.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Grunloh.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate… or House Bill 4532, creates the Southern Illinois Economic Development Authority. The Amendment is… is the Bill. It, as I said yesterday, is… the boundary basically is the Interstate 70 on the north, 57 on the west, Interstate 64 on the south and the Indiana/Illinois border on the… on the east. It is similar to all the other bonding regional development authorities in the State of Illinois. And I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

"The bonds that are sold in this district would be paid… paid back by the people that… that the businesses are… that are… want to develop or want to borrow money through the bonding authority.”

"If it’s a manufacturing they could… they… they would qualify for a federal tax exempt bond. But most of them would be bonds that would bought through a local bank through a letter of credit.”

"I would assume that they would have the… the ability to charge fees, yes.”

"Yes.”

"Yes. There are five other… five other of… economic developments… authorities around the state.”

"Some of… there all… all of them are different how they appoint their boards. I can tell you how this one is appointed and maybe you’ve read the language. All ten Mem… or nine… nine Members are appointed by the Governor. One Member is appointed by the… by DCEO.”

"Well, the Amendment, you may have to look down to the Amendment. Nine of them are appointed by the Governor, one of them is appointed by DCEO.”

"I have not consulted with the Governor’s Office on this. This is language that we have come up with, so.”

"I think one of the conditions of the people that the Governor appoint are local people that are people from the district that live in the district that are involved in economic development. They are from the territorial district… jurisdiction.”

"No. The Amendment… and you may be looking… if you look at the Amendment there, there are nine members appointed by the Governor. All of those have to be appointed.”

"The other five authorities, yeah….”

"I can’t answer that. I don’t know exactly what the makeup of those appointments are.”

"Okay. Representative these… these people do have to be picked from the authority. They do have to have some background in economic development and it is with the consent of Senate, also.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Fayette, Representative Stephens.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan. For what reason do you rise.”

“He indicates he will.”

"Actually, a very small amount of these bonds that are issued in… typically in the other zones are… are issued with a moral. And the… and these are moral obligation bonds only. At… very small amount of them are done in that fashion. Most of them are… are done through a private bank… a private lending in… institution with a letter of credit and is paid back by the… by the people of…”

"Moral obligation bond means that if… if… and my understanding is if there’s a large project that comes that… that maybe a bank does not have the capacity for, 09300114.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 they may come to the state for a moral obligation bond. That means that we have a moral ob… if… if there were to be a default, which there’s been two of them that the General Assembly would… would… we’d have to make the Governor aware of the default, the Governor then would come to the General Assembly and ask for assistance for that.”

"I’m sorry, please repeat the… the question.”

"Well, first of all if… if it is… if it’s not a moral obligation bond the authority has the ability to sue or to go back and take… take away assets from the… the company that has, you know, has filed for bankruptcy or whatever… whatever the case may be. If it is a moral obligation bond, like I said, there’s very few of those in any of the other authorities, they would come back to the Governor and the Governor would then come to the General Assembly.”

"We’d have to cover it.”

"Representative, as I… as I mentioned earlier, a very… a very small amount of these in any of these other five authorities use the moral obligation bond and it’s exactly… I mean, Representative Stephens mentioned the 13 percent, that’s typical. And some of the things that we have done 09300114.doc 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 have crossed, have made some of these people, you know, go into Indiana and that’s exactly what we’re trying to do with this. It is… it is a blighted area. It’s typical to have 12, 13 percent unemployment there.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, for what reason… I mean, Miller. For what reason do you rise?”

“Will… will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.”

“Just, Representative, just a quick question. This is used to… to help stimulate growth in your region?”

"Yes.”

“And who brought this for… towards you… to you?” 09300114.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

"Actually there were two Bills that were filed that were very similar, Representative Granberg and myself both… both had legislation out there and we… we put the two of them together, Sir.”

“I think last year we… you weren’t here, but last year we had a Bill dealing with Metra East I believe in a… in a finance authority similar. Is this similar language to this?”

"It’s similar. I think the appointment’s different, I mean, the appointment of the board is different then that. But…”

“The composition of the board is different assuming…”

"…but basically the idea is the same thing.”

“…reflecting the area but the language is pretty much the same?”

"Right.”

“And we passed that Bill last year.”

"Yes.”

“Just to the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Yeah, I would like to commend this Sponsor for bringing an issue forward. He’s clearly trying to help economic growth and development in his region. Ourselves in the south suburbs, we’re interested in doing a similar concept of this to finance authority to… to help the five… the five of the poorest communities in Cook County represented by the south suburbs. So, I would ask for 09300114.doc 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 support and would ask for his colleagues when we introduce something like that to support us to. Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

"That would certainly be the intent, yes.”

"And I would… I would hope that we would appoint members that would represent the entire district also.”

"I think that… I think that might have been the original Bill.”

"There’s ten… ten members.” 09300114.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

"Nine are appointed by the Governor, one is appointed by DCEO.”

"Yeah. I think that the… as I mentioned earlier, the Senate… the Senate… these do have to be confirmed by the Senate. So I think we would have some input on that.”

"I… I think we could work with the Senate Sponsor on language like that. I think that the intent of this is to represent the… the district in total, so…”

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Bost. For what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

"I can tell you that from meetings that we sat down we decided to build it around the corridor of interstates and… and do the development down the interstates. And we thought if we got the dis… this particular district too large that it be… that it would become a problem. So, we thought that if… if somebody weren’t included in those other districts…”

"…and those other counties in another district…”

"Well, again, Representative we thought that the… if… if the district got too big and had too many counties it may be a problem and… and I… I don’t know if, you know, I know that the… that the counties that are in there have unemployment that is… that is 12 percent, 13 percent in some areas. I don’t know that Williamson County and some of those other counties have those same types, maybe they do.”

"Is that a question? I think I answered… I think I answered. I… I…”

"…the criteria…” 09300114.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

"…the criteria was… was built around the interstate system and along the Indiana/Illinois border. That’s what… that’s why we changed it.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“First of all I want to commend the Sponsor of the Bill for working on a bipartisan basis in adopting a regional economic development strategy. Representative Grunloh sat down with experts, people who run and operate development authorities. His original Bill they felt was too large. You had to be focused on a regional economic strategy. And Amen… the Amendment is what re… is reflected in those conversations. This affects Representative Eddy’s district. It… helps Representative Stephens’ district. And if Representative Bost and Representative Bradley put together a regional finance development authority, I’m sure we will support that effort. The finance development authority experts that we dealt with said the area was much too large, not workable, not function… would not function. That is why we did that. But we worked as Representative Grunloh did, on a bipartisan basis with Representative Eddy, Representative Stephens, a bipartisan regional 09300114.doc 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 economic development strategy. And I want to commend him for doing that because that’s how you succeed. And when other Representatives want to develop their own regional finance development authorities in cooperation with a bipartisan basis we will support those efforts. All of us need, particularly in southern Illinois, to do whatever we can to develop a short-term and long-term economic development strategy. This is a factor in that strategy. I want to correct the Rep… the previous Representative, Representative Mulligan who spoke. I think she had it confused. These are not general obligation bonds. If these were GO bonds the state would automatically back those bonds. These are moral OB bonds. The state is not liable for these bonds. The state is… the state is not liable automatically for these bonds. That is not accurate. Who would be… who would be liable would be the businesses that would receive the benefit of the bonds, they would be the primary creditor or debtor on those bonds. The development authority would also have the financial obligation to recoup those bonds. These are not GO bonds. They’re not general obligation bonds, period. So, again, I want to commend the Sponsor for working on a bipartisan basis, working on a regional basis to help our regions. Because we need to do that. We have some of the highest unemployment in the state. Representative Black, my good friend, he’s experiencing what we’re experiencing in one of my counties where we lost 5000 manufacturing jobs, 5000 in the last four years. So, we’re doing 09300114.doc 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 everything we can for economic development and we made this… this development authority with no obligation to the state in an effort, in an economic factor to develop that economic strategy. And it took a lot of work and Representative Grunloh was at the table doing that hard work and I want commend him. And I want to ask all of the Members of this House to help us in southern Illinois with no obligation to the state to develop our area because we have really been… we are facing an economic crisis. And we need your help. We have done this in the past for other Members and I hope you will do it for us because we appreciate your efforts on our behalf. Thank you.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Mitchell. For what reason do you rise?” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he will.” Mitchell, J.: “Representative, I was just try… looking at our… our analysis here and you know, the state where… in the last few we’ve created a lot of new debt. What is this? Does this increase the state’s debt?”

"No, it doesn’t. Does not affect the debt.” Mitchell, J.: “How is that? Because I was reading it and if the… this authority can’t pay it back who does pay it back?”

"Well first of all…” Mitchell, J.: “My analysis says if… if they can’t…”

"…we thought….” 09300114.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Mitchell, J.: “…handle the indebtedness, who does?”

"If the authority does not have the money to… to handle the… the…” Mitchell, J.: “I’m sorry, Representative, I can’t hear you.”

“If the authority does not have the money to bil… the ability to pay for it or the business that… that made the loan does not have the ability to pay for it… by lawsuit you can’t get the… the assets back from that company and if it was a moral obligation bond which a lot of these are not, then the obligation would come back as a moral obligation bond in the State of Illinois. A very few of these in the five existing zones are moral obligation bonds.” Mitchell, J.: “Okay. So, your answer is if the authority can’t pay it back the State of Illinois will be the ultimate responsibility?”

"If it were a moral obligation bond.” Mitchell, J.: “So, okay, so we’ve got tremendous debt in the State of Illinois and we could possibly be adding to more debt. Now I noticed that we’ve got four or five of these other authorities in the State of Illinois that exist.”

"Five other authorities.” Mitchell, J.: “Five? How well have they done? Have they done… done any… have you done any research to see how well they’ve done?”

"Yeah. They… I can give you breakdown of that. The… the upper…” Mitchell, J.: “Please.” 09300114.doc 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

"…Illinois River Valley has issued bonds of 80,425,000, created 1572 jobs.” Mitchell, J.: “Where’s this at, Representative?”

"Upper Illinois River Valley.” Mitchell, J.: “And what…”

"I can’t give you the exact geographic districts of that, but…” Mitchell, J.: “What’s your average unemployment in that area now?”

"The Upper Valley River Association is in Grundy, LaSalle, Bureau, Putlet… Putnam, Kendall, Kane, McHenry and Marshal Counties.” Mitchell, J.: “And what… what is the unemployment in that area?”

"I don’t know.” Mitchell, J.: “Okay. In other areas there’s, did you say four other areas?”

"Quad Cities as…” Mitchell, J.: “Quad Cities.”

"Quad cities has issued bonds in the amount of $59,073,017 and created 1315 jobs. Will, Kankakee has issued bonds in the amount of 57,840,000, created 730 jobs. So, the total of those fo… those three is a 197,000,000, created 3617 jobs. South…” Mitchell, J.: “Representative, in the areas are… are… that have these economic development authorities are the unemployment rates below the statewide average?”

"I can’t answer that.” 09300114.doc 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Mitchell, J.: “How… I noticed in the other areas that have these… the appointment process is differently and you have local input. Is that correct?”

"I didn’t hear you, Representative.” Mitchell, J.: “I said, in the other areas that have these economic development authorities, they… they have local input, the county board chairman?”

"Yes.” Mitchell, J.: “Why is that? You might have said and I apologize if I… I didn’t know… hear that. Why… why is this situation different?”

"These members are appointed by the… nine are appointed by the Governor, which I’ve already stated. All nine of those people have to live in the authority, be residents in the authority. Be… and be… have some expertise in bon… in economic development in that area.” Mitchell, J.: “I… I appreciate that. But… but, you know, I used to represent about half of Effingham County, your home county and you…”

"Yes.” Mitchell, J.: “…you know, you got some smart folks down there. I was just curious as why the local county board chairman or local… any local authority doesn’t have say in this. And that this is an exception to what have been happening in the past.”

"Well, I think it might… the way we’ve got it written up it may actually give us more authority in… in naming 09300114.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 those people because it is appointed by the Governor but approved by the Senate, so…” Mitchell, J.: “I beg your pardon, Sir.”

"I said the makeup of this board, the way it is right now, is nine members are appointed by the Governor with the consent of the Senate. So, I think we have more input into these members in this authority than some of the other ones do.” Mitchell, J.: “Sir, if… why can’t we have it… the consent for instance of the Effingham County Board Chairman? That person knows the county better than the people here in Springfield. Why can’t we have the consent of the… the county board?”

"Well, I think the Governor amendatory vetoed one of the new bonding authorities last year for exactly that reason because there wasn’t enough… because of the makeup of the board so…” Mitchell, J.: “I was just looking at another one with Grundy County. You had that they have a pretty high unemployment rate. They have nearly 13 percent unemployment rate. So, how do we tell whether these boards are effective or not, which we all want to do, is put people back to work. We’re fighting in Illinois now within terms of high increase taxes. How can we say if these authorities are effective because, for instance, Grundy County, 13 percent. That’s pretty darn high.”

"I think as with any of these, you know, it’s gonna depend upon the people that are named to these boards and 09300114.doc 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 how aggressive they are and what projects they’re after so…” Mitchell, J.: “And I think that gets back to my reservations about this legislation is that probably the people who serve on the board would be better coming from your locals rather than someone here in Springfield, Illinois.”

"Well, once again, Representative, these people are going to be coming from the local area.” Mitchell, J.: “Name five people in the local area. By the people of Altamont or Effingham or Olney or anything rather than somewhere here in Springfield.”

"Well, as I… as I talked… as I told Representative Eddy I think with the Senate Sponsor that we can get some assurance that these people will come from all areas of the district and… and they will be local representatives.” Mitchell, J.: “Well, Representative, I appreciate your time. Thank you.”

"Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Williamson, Representative Bradley. For what reason do you rise?” Bradley, J.: “To the Bill, Mr. Speaker.”

“To the Bill.” Bradley, J.: “My name has been called a couple times here this afternoon. And I just want to say that I’m gonna support this because I understand the premise that we need to limit the area and make it a workable and feasible project. However, when I come back here in the future and ask for one of these for the counties that were excluded from this 09300114.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 package, namely Williamson and Franklin, I’ll expect my colleagues to support me in that effort as well.”

“Your point is well taken.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan. I believe you spoke in debate already. Is that correct?”

“State your point.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Flider. For what reason do you rise?”

"A question for the Sponsor.”

“He indicates he'll yield.”

"Well, Representative, this… this question may have been answered or asked. I can’t remember because there just seems to be a lot of politicization of the issue here, but just a question. Is there a fiscal note filed on this Bill?”

"Yes, there is.”

"Is there any fiscal impact to the state?”

"There is none.”

"Is… to the extent that the authority would have certain kinds of activities, is there an opportunity for the state to look into those facilities such, to those activities such as an audit?” 09300114.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

"Yes, there is. There is provisions in the… in the Bill for audits to happen, yes.”

"Thank you. To the Bill. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I, for the life of me, cannot understand why in the world we’d be debating so vociferously on a Bill that’s designed to help the economy of this state and create jobs in the State of Illinois. I think we all ought to support this Bill. It ought to pass out of here unanimously. Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. For what reason do you rise?”

“Representative Grunloh to close.”

"I would just ask for your ‘aye’ votes. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4532 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting ‘aye’, 41 voting ‘no’ and 14 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. For what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Yeah, thanks for the applause. Some… some folks may be under the mistaken impression that I’m gonna be home at 6:30 tonight, but you’re on your own. Happy April Fool’s Day. I’d like to say I sent this out to trick all of you, but no, that is not the case. So, some merry mischief makers are runnin’ around the building and they will hear from me later. Have a nice evening.”

“Representative… Representative Lang, some of the Members are not privy to the information that you’re speaking of. I know, up here, we did not see the pink sheet, but if you care to elaborate.” 09300114.doc 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“No. Well, maybe Representative Burke has a few things he’d like to say about this.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just arise and I’m appalled. It’s a disgrace to the Democrat on this side would have a home party… what do we call it in here, a housewarming and didn’t invite one single Democrat. Only the Republicans were invited to that party tonight and I’m… I’m appalled.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?”

“We’ll await a ruling from the Chair. The Gentleman from Randolph, Representative Reitz, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just rise to defend my colleague. I happen to know that that picture is from the time when Representative Lang was on Jeopardy and he’s gonna use his winnings to throw the party tonight.”

Speaker Turner: “And finally, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang or I should say the Lady from Cook, Representative Feigenholtz.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I know when this picture was taken. This is Lou Lang’s bar mitzvah picture. Thank you.”

“And Representative Lang, for the final word.”

“Just for the record, Mr. Speaker. I wouldn’t need to have a housewarming party if the second floor of this building didn’t evict me from the fairgrounds.”

“Well, let’s go back to work. On page 12, we have House Bill 5094, Representative Meyer. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 5094 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 93 voting ‘aye’, 24 voting ‘no’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 10 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4200. Representative Moffitt. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Moffitt.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 4200 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 96 voting ‘aye’, 22 voting ‘no’ 09300114.doc 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 and 20… I should say 94 voting ‘aye’, 23 voting ‘no’ and 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 5734. Representative Granberg. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

Speaker Turner: “The Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This extends the time limit for a tax increment financing district located in Urba… in Champaign that is set to expire this year.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?”

“He indicates he will.”

“During college I spent numerous weekends there.”

“Mr. Black, I’ve been informed that the letters are in the file, currently.”

“Yes, #116.”

“Unit 4, yes.”

“All… I’ve been told that all of the letters have been submitted.”

“Yes.”

“We would be honored.”

“Representative Black, thank you very much ‘cause I really enjoy working on a regional basis with you.”

“Thank you.”

“The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Rose, for what reason do you rise?”

“Seeing no further questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 5734 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have Representative Osmond on House Bill 5928. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“The Lady from Lake, Representative Osmond.” 09300114.doc 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘House Bill… should House Bill 5928 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all… Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 95 voting ‘aye’, 22 voting ‘no’, and 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Third Readings, page 10, Representative Lou Jones, we have House Bill 3883. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Jones.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic-Speaker), Members of the House. This is a shell Bill that I’m asking to let me send over to the Senate. And what’s gonna go on this shell Bill is the language for a CPA, for CPAs. I have quite a few cosponsors already and they’re just not finished with the language and I don’t wanna take a chance on losing it because tomorrow is deadline.” 09300114.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 3883 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have… Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 83 voting ‘aye’, 35 voting ‘no’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 13 in the Calendar, Representative Granberg, we have House Bill 6654. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“The Gentleman from Clinton.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 6654 is cleanup language of… for legislation that was passed last year. Last year we passed substantial legislation to require liquor licensees to submit sales taxes to the state. There is a technical error made in the drafting that provided that the penalties would not be uniform throughout the Liquor Control Code. This Bill makes… brings into compliance with the Liquor Control Code the one provision on the submission of the sales tax in case a licensee had made a… had made a mistake in the submission of the sales tax. This provides that the penalties will be uniform with similar penalties throughout the Liquor Control Code. I’d be more than happy to answer any questions.” 09300114.doc 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6654 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 10 in the Calendar, we have House Bill 3830. Representative Parke. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“The Gent…”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 3830 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 09300114.doc 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 10 in the Calendar, we have House Bill 3918. Representative Hannig. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.”

“This…”

“The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill is an initiative of the Illinois’ Veterans of Foreign Affairs, AMVETS and the Illinois American Legion. It would provide that the Illinois Department of Veterans’ Affairs, subject to appropriation, reimburse veterans’ service organizations that provide services and benefits for veterans and their spouses or other beneficiaries living in Illinois. It came out of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee on a unanimous vote. And I’d be happy to answer any questions. I ask for your ‘yes’ vote.”

“Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 3918 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting ‘aye’, 0 ‘noes’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the 09300114.doc 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 13 of the Calendar we have House Bill 6583. Representative Sacia. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.”

“The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Sacia.”

“Seeing no question, the question is, ‘Shall House Bill 6583 pass?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 93 voting ‘aye’, 24 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 11 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 4363. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk.” 09300114.doc 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Turner: “The Lady from Champaign, Representative Jakobsson.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4363 amends the School Code to provide that after June 1, 2004, persons may not be nominated for the General Assembly scholarships and that the General Assembly scholarships may not be awarded after that date. We know the fiscal crisis that our state is facing and some of that is passed on in a tremendous way to our universities. When these scholarships are awarded, there is no money that follows these. They create a huge burden for our universities. Last year alone, they cost the state universities almost $8 million, $7.9 million. And I believe it’s a very fiscal responsible part of this Body to make this decision to eliminate these scholarships.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Giles, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“She indicates she will.”

“Representative, I believe this is the second time you… you have brought this legislation before this Body. For some reason this legislation continue to come before this Body in a lot of different shapes and forms. I guess, you know, I guess, the first question and I got many, but I’m gonna let some of the other individuals ask questions. But I guess the first question I would like to ask you since 09300114.doc 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 you believe that this will be a very prudent thing to do to save the state some money in neglecting young individuals the opportunity to be educated, to get higher education. Will you vote against the Correction Budget when it comes forth, the Department of Correction budget?”

“I don’t know what that budget’s going to look like.”

“You wouldn’t know what that budget’s gonna look like. Well, let me tell you, ever since I’ve been in the General Assembly, since ’93, that budget has increased every year. And what that says to me is that we, as a Body in the State of Illinois, that we continue to fund the Department of Correction, individuals being incarcerated, we continue to fund recidivism, we continue to fund having individuals go through the penal system in this state for all sorts of reasons, some have stated economically development reasons, the reason why we continue to increase the Department of Correction budget. And what that does is that these individuals who are incarcerated, these individuals do not get the opportunity to… to get a second chance and moreover have an opportunity to be educated at the right level and… and of course, not edu… not having the opportunity to be… to, on the frontline, to get a good education. And so, if you can stand here and tell me that you will vote against any increase in the Department of Correction, I can understand that you will… you will not… that you will continue to put forth this legislation and that you believe 09300114.doc 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 that we need to save the state more moneys by eliminating scholarship for young people to go to school.”

“I think, if you had followed me around my district, you would have heard me say that I believe it’s important to educate our students and to educate the people of Illinois and that I don’t believe that incarceration is the way to educate people and it does not do what always needs to be done for our young people, but right now, I’m talking about the General Assembly scholarships.”

“And the scholarship is a waiver in which kids have the opportunity to be educated. Is that correct? Because, you know, if… if I recall, and maybe you haven’t done a check on the previous individuals that, who have received the scholarship. There was a lot of individ… individuals that… whose parents feel that they cannot and of course lookin’ at their… lookin’ at their income tax return, they could not afford to send their kids to school. Some of these kids are some of the brightest kids, but they needed the opportunity to get some sort of waiver or some sort of scholarship to be able to go to school, go to one of the state schools and have an opportunity to have a viable and successful career in whatever their endeavors are. And so you’re sayin’ by taking away this one particular waiver, this one particular scholarship, this is gonna save the state just a bunch of money and we’re gonna plug the holes in the budget in this state that we need to… we need to do. Is that correct?” 09300114.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“I think this helps keep education affordable because when we pass these costs on to the university, of course, the tuition for the other students has to go up.”

“Let me… let me just…”

“We need to make sure that we’re funding our MAP Program. We need to make sure that people do have the opportunity to apply for scholarships.”

“Let me ask another question. I think you stated that the University of Illinois have asked you to bring forth this legislation. Have we did a survey on all the parents of indi… of the scholarship recipients, of the waiver recipients and to see if they agree with savin’ the state this ample amount of money that you say the state will save? Have those parents givin’ you or have you done a study or analysis or a survey or questionnaire that… that… that compels you to bring forth this legislation?”

“I’ve been listening to my constituents and I do wanna make sure that there’s not the misrepresentation that the university asked me to bring this.”

“You know, if I recall, I believe last time when you brought this piece of legislation and I believe we had a list of a slew of different scholarship waivers that were so many that I think I… I just could not sit there and just count them all. But would you agree that you will amend this piece of legislation maybe to add all those other waivers and especially the University of Illinois, all those other waivers that they give out, that we will eliminate those as well? Because, if I recall, there’s 09300114.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 some… there’s some teachers’ waivers in those… in that whole list. There’s some other waivers for… for the employees’ kids in that list. I would wonder if we could… if they would be willin’ to allow you to amend that, this piece of legislation, to include all of those other waivers in this Bill because, if I recall, I think that was a lengthy list of waivers and I think if we did the math on that… those particular waivers combined, I think then we can begin to address the budget problems.”

“Right now, I’m talking about addressing the legislative scholarships.”

“Mr. Speaker, to the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Mr. Speaker, I just, you know, I’ve been defending this piece of legislation from leavin’ this chamber since I’ve been in the General Assembly. You know, this is one piece of legislation that I feel as a Legislator is the most tangible thing that I can do as a Legislator to help a few number of families, a few number of constituencies, a few number of students that come before that ask for scholarship opportunities, that ask to go to school, to ask not to be incarcerated, that ask to give to have an opportunity to be all that they can be. And I’m sure like many of… of… of just not only myself but many Legislators here, we have given individuals opportunity to become lawyers, doctors, all sorts of profession, all sorts of walk of life with these General Assembly scholarships. This is the only piece… this is the only thing that I know 09300114.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 that… that can be directed from my office that I know students can debe… can benefit directly, instantly. And so, it’s to me it’s just a travesty for us to continue to bring this legislation to allow an entity who have benefited from this General Assembly… who have benefit tremendously from this Body in supplying resources and funding all sorts of… of programs and capital projects to… to… to say to an individual or a Legislator that we must get rid of this program. I think this is a program that if we were asked all of the students, not just the current students, but the students who have received this scholarships and those parents and their families who have benefited from this, they have… they would tell you that this is probably one of the best programs that the State of Illinois administers. So, I would just simply ask, first of all, Mr. Speaker, I will ask for a verification of the Roll Call, if this Bill got the required number of votes. And I urge all my colleagues to vote ‘no’ on this piece of legislation.”

“There’s approximately 15 people that want to speak on this Bill. We will take… we will take two people that are for and two people that are against the legislation with leave of the Body. And then we will move forward with it. You’ve heard one anti. We will recognize Representative Bost. He’s the next one on the list. Are you a proponent or an opponent? He’s a opponent.”

“She indicates she will.” 09300114.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“I believe that there are many people throughout the state who deserve an education at our universities.”

“This Bill addresses the legislative scholarships.”

“This addresses the legislative scholarships.”

“To the Bill.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise? And I believe you’re a proponent, am I understanding?”

“Representative Hannig is in the Chair. Just to review where we are. The rules of Standard Debate provide that the Sponsor and two proponents may speak and that three may speak in opposition. And I’ve been advised that Representative Giles and Bost have spoken in opposition, Representative Black and the Sponsor have spoken in favor, so now we have room for one on each side. And I’ll just go off of the list that’s on the board. Representative Bill Mitchell is next to be recognized. Representative Mitchell, you wish to speak in opposition and so you’ll be recognized as the last in opposition. Representative Mitchell.” Mitchell, B.: “Thank you… thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“She indicates she’ll yield.” Mitchell, B.: “Representative Jakobsson and I… and I said arose in opposition, but I’m undecided, quite frankly. So, I want you to help me work my way through this thing. Your 09300114.doc 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 situ… you got in your opening remarks and you said the basis, the logic behind this legislation is fiscal responsibility and I appreciate that because certainly I know the University of Illinois which you represent has really taken a hit in the last year or so, so I can understand that. And that’s the basis and we all know and Representative Black as always is very eloquent in terms of the abuses in the past. My question, and I know you’re… Representative Giles and Representative Bost alluded to it, but your answer I didn’t quite understand. Could you explain how these legislative scholarships aren’t the only ‘perks’ that people get. There are other waivers that exist. Is that correct?”

“I’m not addressing other waivers…” Mitchell, B.: “But… that was the question. Ma’am, I have a question, would you please answer it.”

“I believe you can check with the universities all over and find that there are other waivers.” Mitchell, B.: “And what… what type of waivers and who are eligible for those waivers?”

“The universities boards of trustees can give you all of that information.” Mitchell, B.: “But then I’m asking you. Are you… do you know or do not know? I… I don’t know all the waivers and I sure would like to know that.”

“I don’t know all of the waivers.” Mitchell, B.: “But… but you know that there are other waivers?”

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“It varies by university…” Mitchell, B.: “…Representative, how much do those waivers cost either the universities or the taxpayers of Illinois?”

“I can’t answer that now.” Mitchell, B.: “Okay. So, we know the fact is that in the past, this perk and I… I’ve read… I’ve been here five years. I’ll read what the popular media will say tomorrow that these are legislative perks and so on and so on and I know we are in a fiscal situation. So, I really would like to help work your way through it and I know your logic behind this legislation is fiscal responsibility, but I’m… just, for instance, you know, in my district, middle-class people, they don’t get breaks, they don’t get a lot of other help because they might be making a little too much money. They’re not wealthy folks, so it’s really… it’s difficult for them to make ends meet. And that’s a criteria that I’ve set for my recipients which, by the way, have all been released publicly to… to the media. But there are other people who get perks, for instance, the University of Illinois employee would get a waiver. Is that correct?”

“It’s part of their employment package. I believe it’s part of the bargaining…” Mitchell, B.: “Okay. So, what’s… what… what is the average salary for the University of Illinois PHD?”

“I don’t have that information.” 09300114.doc 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Mitchell, B.: “Would it be over what the average citizen of Illinois makes?”

“It might be.” Mitchell, B.: “Okay. So, for instance, if a University of Illinois employee makes a hundred thousand dollars, that’s a lot of money…”

“Ah, yeah.” Mitchell, B.: “…they would be eligible for a waiver even if this Bill passes?”

“I don’t know that a hundred thousand dollars is the average salary.” Mitchell, B.: “I didn’t say that. I said ‘if’…”

“You asked that.” Mitchell, B.: “…if a University of Illinois employee makes a hundred thousand dollars, would they be eligible for a waiver?”

“That is a decision that the university makes because they determine that when they determine their budget.” Mitchell, B.: “Would that be addressed with your legislation?”

“No. This is talking about legislative scholarships.” Mitchell, B.: “Okay. So, someone making… a University of Illinois or whatever, ISU or whatever could make a hundred, two hundred thousand dollars and that their child could get a waiver. Correct under present existing statute, law, that… that happens. But a person… Is that correct?”

“I believe they are eligible.” 09300114.doc 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Mitchell, B.: “Okay. So, that… and that’s not touched. You think that’s okay. We’re not talking about fiscal responsibility in there. That person makin’ a hundred, two hundred, three hundred thousand, their kid can get a free ride. But a per…”

“I’m talking about our legislative scholarships. You brought up the others.” Mitchell, B.: “Okay. But a person in Clinton, Illinois, a two- parent family, they might be makin’ 40 grand, you’re saying no, they can’t, but a person who’s a high dollar employee, yes. That’s the flaw of this Bill.”

“The university…” Mitchell, B.: “If you put… if you include… if we’re really talking about fiscal accountability and we’re really concerned with it and we all should be concerned, if you amend this Bill to take care of all waivers, I’d vote for it. But what you’re saying is, high-powered, high-priced University of Illinois or university employees can get waivers, but middle-class people will not and there is the flaw of this legislation.”

“The universities do have, you know, their boards of trustees who control what they do. They create their budgets. I know that the University of Illinois does make sure that students who apply who are families of low-income are not turned away because they don’t have the tuition.” Mitchell, B.: “I’m talking about middle-class people. I’m not talking about the very poor or the very rich. They’re taken care of. I’m talkin’ about people…” 09300114.doc 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“I believe their… their cutoff is…” Mitchell, B.: “…who are workin’ hard who are tryin’ to make a living and is it…”

“Excuse me. I think you interrupted me.” Mitchell, B.: “Pardon me.”

“I believe their cutoff is… it’s 35 thousand or 40. I don’t… I don’t have the exact figure, for a family of four. Those children would not be denied admission on the grounds of affordability. And I think, I hope, that you also, when you’re directing your students to your… who come to you for scholarships and you can only award a limited number, that you’re telling them about the MAP Program and that you’re helping them other ways to get scholarships.” Mitchell, B.: “Absolutely, absolutely, but we’re taking care of the middle-class people who aren’t eligible for other… other scholarships and that’s the flaw. When you’re talking about the tenet of the underlying rationale of your Bill, you got up in your opening remarks and you said fiscal responsibil…”

“Well, what if we…” Mitchell, B.: “May I finish now?”

“…take a step in the right direction.” Mitchell, B.: “Ma’am, may I finish now, please. The underlying rationale in your Bill is fiscal responsibility, but you’re only addressing part of it, not the whole thing. And my quandary is why you don’t. If you had added everybody, added the rich, who happen to be employed by the University of Illinois, they’re all right, they can get a waiver but 09300114.doc 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 not the middle-class folks and I find that… fatally flawed to this Bill.”

“I have no problem if you wanna address other waivers. Right now, I’m addressing the one that we impose on our state universities and this is addressed in this Bill that we have before us today.” Mitchell, B.: “Representative, I appreciate your time.”

“So, now we’ve had three in opposition; the Sponsor and one in support and the rule… the House Rules on Standard Debate provide for one additional in… to speak in favor. Representative McCarthy, are you in favor? Okay. Representative McCarthy.”

“Yes, Sir.”

“Okay. So, you’ll be the last speaker, then we’ll close.”

“Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and I’d like to compliment the Chair for keeping this on Standard Debate. I don’t think any pearls of wisdom that are gonna come out today are gonna change a lot of views on this. So, I think that everyone knows where they stand and the vote will be accurate. I do wanna say that I agree with the comments earlier from my friend from Vermilion. I do wanna say to the previous speaker, when he’s talkin’ about programs that have no parameters and that people of these high incomes can get tuition waivers, there is no program that has less parameters than the program we’re talkin’ about here today. I also wanna encourage you that when you talk to the people in your district and I get the complaints just like my 09300114.doc 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 friend from Danville gets it. You know, you’re not giving our children the chance to get this scholarship. I always tell them that the last report told me I had 247 students at the University of Illinois. If I gave four of them this waiver, that would mean that the other 243 would pay a little bit extra so that those four could go for free. And I always stress to the parents in my district that your chances of being one of the 243 that are payin’ extra are very, very, very good. Your chances of being one of the four, who are gonna get it for free, are very, very, very poor. I do wanna say to some of the new Members or even some of the old Members, if you vote to eliminate this, if you vote with Representative Jakobsson, Representative Black and myself to eliminate these scholarships or tuition waivers, more accurately called, you also have a choice that when it comes time to hand these out, you don’t have to participate in the program and you can be part of the answer by doing it that way. This is my eighth year that I’ve been lucky enough to serve on this House Floor and I’m very, very proud to say that I’ve never participated in this program and I never plan on doing it for as long as I serve here. I do wanna compliment Representative Jakobsson. She came here and this is something she really believes in, she didn’t run this Bill in order to win any popularity contest, I can tell you that especially on my side of the aisle. I do think one thing she did well is that she may have reunited a couple of the caucuses here today, so that’s kind of a nice thing. But I do compliment 09300114.doc 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 her sincerely for her efforts on this. And I hope everyone will vote according to their conscience. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.”

“Okay. And now Representative Jakobsson to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker…”

“Yes.”

“…and honorable Members of this Body. As I said, I bring this Bill to us because I believe it can help us start taking a step in the right direction by helping our state universities address the fiscal crisis that they are faced. If we eliminate these legislative scholarships, we know that we can help save our universities millions of dollars and we should not be imposing unfunded mandates. I have heard that from so many of the people in this Body about unfunded mandates and this is an unfunded mandate that we should not impose. I vote… I request an ‘aye’ vote, please.”

“There’s been a request for a verification by Representative Giles which we’ll recognize. Representative Giles, you have spoken debate, for what reason do you rise?”

“My name… Mr. Speaker, my name was used in debate.”

Speaker Hannig: “Well, Rep… Representative, with all due respect, I will recognize you for a Roll Call… I mean a verification. The Lady has closed and if we allow you to speak again I’d have to…” 09300114.doc 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Of course, you purposely allowed her to close without acknowledging me, so you may proceed.”

“Okay. Representative Giles, you may speak.”

“Thank you.”

“Rep…”

“Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for another question?”

“Okay. Representative Giles, again, to try to keep order in the House, I think we all know where we stand on this Bill. We’ve limited the debate. We got a lot of Members who didn’t get a chance to even speak once. Could we just go to the Roll Call?”

“Mr. Speaker, there was some discrepancies on some facts.”

“Rep… Representative… Mr. Clerk, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 54 voting ‘yes’ and 63 voting ‘no’. Representative Jakobsson, would you like Postponed Consideration?”

“Please put it on postponement.”

Speaker Hannig: “Postponed Consideration. Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5415.”

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“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my colleagues. House Bill 5415 expands the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority by one member. Currently, there are 20 members and this legislation would expand it to include the President of the Cook County Board of Commissioners. Currently, the Cook County State’s Attorney, the Clerk of the Circuit Court and the sheriff are all members of the authority. Presumably, these three officers are members because their mission involves public safety. However, under the president of the Cook County Board of Commissioners is the Cook County Bureau of Public Safety and Judicial Coordination and we therefore believe that the Cook County president… Board of Commissioners president should be a member of that port authority as well. I ask for ‘yes’ votes.”

“The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 5415. This Bill is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone wish to rise in opposition? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

Speaker Hannig: “Okay. Under the Rules of Short Debate, there’s one to speak in favor, the Sponsor, and one in opposition. Then we go to the Sponsor to close. So, Representative Howard is recognized to close.”

“Yes. Thank you very much. And I’m certainly happy that my colleague loves Chicago and all of us who come from there and we love you as well. The reason that this Bill is important is because the president of the Cook County Board of Commissioners is… he oversees the Cook County Bureau of Public Safety and the Judicial Coordination. The… excuse me… the Cook County Board of Public Safety and Judicial Coordination oversees the activities of the Cook County Juvenile Temporary Detention Center, the Cook County Public Defender and the Cook County Judicial Advisory Council, but there’s nobody from his office on that particular authority. So, we think it’s important that he or someone representing him be on the authority. I certainly am hopeful that my colleagues understand that there is some fairness involved in this legislation and I hope that everyone will give me a ‘green’ vote. Thank you.”

“The Lady has moved for passage of House Bill 5415. All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 09300114.doc 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 72… 71 voting ‘yes’, 47 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Nekritz, would you like us to call 5884? Mr. Clerk, would you read that Bill.”

“Okay. This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Representative Nekritz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This legislation amends the Illinois statute for stormwater management and assigns responsibility for regional stormwater management in Cook County to the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of greater Chicago. Flooding causes an estimated $211 million of damage a year in Cook County and also has a significant environmental impact on one of our key natural resources, Lake Michigan. At this time, no single agency currently has responsibility to address this problem. The Metropolitan Water Reclamation District with its regional responsibilities for pollution control and its history as a local sponsor for flood control projects is an ideal resource for assuming responsibility for countywide stormwater management in Cook. No new taxing authority is requested by the MWRD under this legislation. The Bill carves a nickel out of the existing 46… 46 cent corporate levy authority of the MWRD to be dedicated in a separate fund for stormwater management. The Bill does, however, require a tax cap exemption for this dedicated five cent levy. Year in and 09300114.doc 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 year out we see the devastating impacts of flooding on our citizens as well as its limitations on economic development. The advocates I’ve been working with on this legislation agree that this is the most important step we can take to alleviate the damage caused by flooding. This legislation will provide the leadership and resources necessary to address this problem in Cook County. The State of Illinois budget is not impacted by this legislation. And I ask for your favorable vote.”

“Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting ‘yes’, 54 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4510. Representative Reitz. Representative Dan Reitz.”

“Representative Reitz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4510, we discussed this last week. We have adopted the Amendment on the floor here the other day and all this Bill does now is strikes out ‘federal’ through all the university systems and allows the people that work for the Federal Government to serve on the university board. And I’d be happy to answer any questions.” 09300114.doc 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone speak in response? In response? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“Yes.”

“That’s my understanding according to staff.”

“Yes.”

“I don’t know either.”

“It’s my understanding from staff that it does. And if not, I’m sure they won’t appoint them.”

“Okay. The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Jakobsson, would you like to be recorded? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’, 4 voting ‘no’ and 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 7015. Representative Verschoore.” 09300114.doc 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Representative Verschoore.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What the Bill does is it increases the fines for people that are speeding in construction zones. It also gives them the power to take a camera and also have policemen in like a state truck watching these zones. And the reason that we’re trying to pass this Bill is it doesn’t seem like in the past we’ve raised the fines and it hasn’t done… it hasn’t done what it’s supposed to. There’s 40, I think it’s 47 people killed, six construction and 37 drivers. And we need to do something to stop this needless death in these construction zone. And I would ask… I would gladly take any questions.”

“This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone rise in response or opposition? Representative Rose. Okay. Well, Representative Delgado in opposition? In opposition? Okay.”

“Mr. Speaker, yes. I need to ask a question as to how I’m gonna vote on this.”

“Oh.”

“I chair the committee.”

“Okay.”

“And there was an Amendment we needed to ask about.”

“In response, then.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.” 09300114.doc 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Representative, we know that this Bill passed through Judicial Law and we had a reading done… it was on a reading for an Amendment to take out the provisions that allowed immediate arrest or removal of a car. Has that been done?”

“That has been done.”

“Okay. Thank you.”

“Okay. So, now the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114… 113 voting ‘yes’, 2 voting ‘no’ and 3 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lang, would you like us to read House Bill 5735? Mr. Clerk, read that Bill.”

“Representative Lang.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the leave of the Body, I would ask Representative Jakobsson to explain the Bill.”

“Representative Jakobsson.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is a TIF dis… a TIF district in Urbana and it would have expired… it will expire and we’re asking for an extension of this tisdrict… TIF district. Under the Municipal Code, TIFs are required to last through 23 years and this one would be extended 09300114.doc 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 beyond the year by expanding this. Would extend it to 35 years.”

“This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Representative Grunloh. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 111… 112 voting ‘yes’, 6 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4958. Representative Bost.”

“Representative Bost.”

“This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have 09300114.doc 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 5340 for Representative Washington.”

“The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Washington.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a safety preventive Bill dealing mostly in the railroad industry. And being that that’s an industry that I’m somewhat familiar with ‘cause I’ve worked in the railroad. What this Bill does it just requires the rules that just include a minimum following walkway safety requirement. It just reaffirmed that reasonably uniform services should be made available to prevent accidents and that the maintenance of safe conditions, that they really be free of obstacles and debris and other hazards. Sometime working in the yard as a trainman, is positioning trains and what have you, sometimes there are things in the way that can cause injury. And so, this Bill is a preventive safety measurement. And I ask my honorable Members here for support for due passage of this legislation.”

“This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr… 09300114.doc 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Representative Bost. Okay, Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’, 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Yarbrough on House Bill 4439. Okay. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 4895?”

“Return that to the Order of Second at the request of the Sponsor. And Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 5890?”

“Return that to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4827 for Representative Winters.”

“Representative Winters.”

“Okay. This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question 09300114.doc 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote… Excuse me. Representative Franks, do you stand in response?”

“Yeah.”

“Okay. Rep…”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks and the Gentleman will yield.”

“Could… on this Bill here, I see there’s a $10 fee to be paid. Who’s to be paying this fee?”

“And it’s not at the time of a case is filed.”

“It’s only if on the disposition.”

“Thank you. I appreciate that.”

“And so now the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Representative Turner. Representative Turner. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 91 voting ‘yes’, 24 voting ‘no’ and 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Okay. So, now we have a number of Bills that are on the Order of Second Reading that we’d like to move to 09300114.doc 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 Third Reading and so we’ll just start at the top of the list. House Bill 5823 for Representative… Oh, excuse me, the Lady’s not in the chamber. House Bill 5164, Representative Feigenholtz. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Feigenholtz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #2 is an agreement between parties who had an interest in this Bill, but had some problems with it including the Medical Society, the Trial Lawyers, the Hospital Association and the ACLU. Essentially, this Bill is the final product of a two-year effort about how we as a state recognize public health when it comes to responding to emergency preparedness. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 5823.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4197 for Representative Bellock.”

“Representative Bellock.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4501.”

“Representative Giles.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I ask for… that we adopt Amendment #2 to House Bill 45 (sic-4501). Amendment #2 simply guts the Bill and we want to send this over to the Senate so we can continue to work on this piece of legislation.” 09300114.doc 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4864 for Representative Dunn.”

“Okay, out of the record at the request of the Sponsor Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 6769 for Representative Graham.”

“Representative Graham.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an agreed Amendment for all parties involved. We had concerns about the way the Planning Facilities Board reviewed change of ownership for hospitals and the issue of charity care, how long it should stay in place after a change of ownership. So… and also public awareness, how long an ad will run in the various papers that the ad would run in. So, I ask the Body to accept this Amendment.” 09300114.doc 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 6220.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4099.”

“Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, 4099, I’m presenting three Amendments today, three Floor Amendments. Floor Amendment… four Floor Amendments, no. Floor Amendment #1, actually, I would like to have tabled. Floor Amendment #1 I would…”

“Mr. Clerk, what is the status…”

“I’d like to withdraw Floor Amendment #1.”

“Okay. The Lady withdraws Floor Amendment #1. Is there any further Amendments?”

“Representative Hamos.” 09300114.doc 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Thank you, Speaker. Floor Amendment #2, this is the Energy Efficiency Building Code. And Floor Amendment #2 is an Amendment that we worked out between two departments, two state departments, the Capital Development Board and the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. They each will have a role to play. The department… the Capital Development Board will develop the rules around this Bill and the DECO will provide all kinds of technical assistance to developers and municipalities. This is an agreed to Amendment.”

Speaker Hannig: “And on the Amendment, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“On the Amendment, Representative Eileen Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Amendment.”

“To the Amendment.” Lyons, E.: “I rise in strong support of this Amendment and I know you want to speak… this is an effort to address the realtors concerns, but I would like to speak to the Bill when it comes off of the… when the Amendment is adopted…”

“On Third Reading.” Lyons, E.: “…when it goes to Third Reading. Thank you.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you. This Amendment does respond to the realtors concerns and this is… this looks at the whole question of what happens if there is an addition to a building or a major alternation to a building. And what this Amendment very clearly says is that the Code adopted under this Act only applies to the new addition, not to retrofit the existing building.” 09300114.doc 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you. Floor Amendment #4 has two components. One is to add a code that is called ASHRAE in the industry, which is we believe part of the International Energy Efficiency Code and by incorporating ASHRAE which the Capital Development Board will have an opportunity to do through its rulemaking, we will be able to secure… we thought we would be… we think we will be able to secure free codes and free code training for municipalities. That was the intent of this Amendment. I’m not sure we drafted it exactly correctly, but that was the intent. And secondly, we want to make it very clear that those home- rule or non-home rule municipalities that wish to adopt their own energy efficiency codes that are more stringent than what’s contained in this Bill is a minimum standard, would be authorized to do so. And this was in response to several municipalities that already had codes in place that are more stringent and they wanted to work with those codes.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?” 09300114.doc 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Third Reading. On page 5 of the Calendar, is House Bill 4953 for Representative Hamos. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 4 of the Calendar, is House Bill 4723, Representative Leitch. Would you like us to move that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. I’m advised Representative Leitch, that there’s requests for notes, and so we’ll have to hold that Bill. There’s some request for various notes, so we can’t move the Bill to Third Reading. So, Representative Leitch.”

“Do you have…”

“Okay. Why don’t we do that. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?”

“Okay. Representative Leitch.” 09300114.doc 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Okay, so, the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Leitch. Representative Leitch.”

Speaker Hannig: “Representative, I think every Member has a right under the Rules to request fiscal notes and various other notes regardless of the status of the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “And you have that right as well, Representative. So, Representative Lang moves that the notes on this Bill are inapplicable. I’m sorry, Representative Leitch.”

Speaker Hannig: “Okay, Representative Leitch, Representative Flowers is now redraw… withdrawing her request for fiscal notes, so, you can withdraw your Motion and we’ll move the Bill to Third.” 09300114.doc 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “Representative Leitch, we read this Bill previously. It’s a Shell Bill, would you just like to send it to the Senate?”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Hoffman, would you like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 84 voting ‘yes’, 33 voting ‘no’ and 1 voting ‘present’, and this Bill having a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 12 of the Calendar is House Bill 5320. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan.”

“Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is not concerned with illegals getting driver’s licenses. It is not concerned with illegals getting driver’s licenses. The Bill does allow the Secretary of State to issue a temporary visitor’s driver’s license to a foreign national who resides in Illinois, as long as that 09300114.doc 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 person does not qualify for a Social Security number and can present documentation from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service authorizing the illegal immigrant’s visit. The Secretary of State is developing an online verification system for Social Security numbers that will go into operation in early summer of 2004. The system will be able to confirm the validity of visas and immigration documents with driver’s licenses through the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services. A foreign national is a person who has entered the United States legally. Many of the foreign nationals that are legally in the Untied States are students attending school on a student visa, the family of foreign consulate employees or executives of foreign-owned companies. I move for the passage of the Bill.”

“This Bill’s on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Representative Parke.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“There are people in the United States legally, legally. They have documentation from the United States Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services. They generally fall into three categories. Number one, students, foreign students attending American schools. Number two, the families of foreign consulate employees, and lastly, 09300114.doc 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 the executives of foreign owned companies located here in the United States. Those are the general categories. They’re in the country legally, they’ve got documentation from the Federal Government and they’d like to apply for a temporary driver’s license from the Illinois Secretary of State.”

“We have the problem because the Social Security Administration after 9/11, 2001, stopped the practice of issuing Social Security numbers to these people. That’s why we have this problem.”

“Well, I don’t know, but the next time I see President Cheney I’ll ask him.”

“Correct. But these people will pay fees for the license.”

“The estimation of the office is that it will.” 09300114.doc 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Now, this Bill is on the Order of Short Debate. We’ve had the Sponsor speak and one speak in response. Does anyone wish to remove it from Short Debate? Speaker Madigan to close. Excuse me, Representative Black.”

“Well, Representative…”

“No, we have one speak in favor which is the Sponsor…”

Speaker Hannig: “Okay. So, remove it from Short Debate and Representative Black is recognized.”

“We’re just following the rules, Representative. Representative Black.”

“Well, the answer is yes, and they’ve been reviewed before they get a visa to come in the country.” 09300114.doc 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“We’ve had two in support, one in response, Representative Mathias. Do you rise in support or response?”

“Okay. Proceed.”

“To the Bill.”

“Okay. So, under the Rules of the House, we have three who have spoken in favor, one who has spoken in response. Does anyone else wish to speak in response? In response. Representative… in response, Representative Brady? We had three in favor and one in response. Okay, Representative Brady, we’ll recognize you in response.”

“Now, we’ve had two in response. We have room for one more to speak in response. Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.” 09300114.doc 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Thank you. Speaker Madigan, do the people who are applying for these driver’s licenses have to know how to drive?”

“They take the same test as you and I and everybody else.”

“Okay. Thank you.”

“We now have… Representative Acevedo, would you like to ask a question? We’ll grant you an opportunity.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Speaker, I know yesterday we had someone who tried to pass some legislation and I know it called for digital fingerprinting. Is this included in the Bill?”

“What?”

“The digital fingerprinting?”

“Say it again.”

“Is digital fingerprinting of the person…”

“No.”

“…required…”

“No.”

“Is there photographs required, digital photograph required?”

“Yes.”

“Is it… any difference in type of driver’s license issued to… someone here on a visa compared to someone who just goes… applies for a driver’s license?”

“It will look different.” 09300114.doc 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“So, so it would have a different appearance. One other question, Speaker. Is there background checks on the individual applying for this driver’s license, such as, say they come from a foreign country and they’re issued a DUI, are they… is there background checks on these individuals?”

“These people are reviewed by the immigration service before they get in the country, before they get their visa. So, there will be a full review of their background before they even get in the country. Then they have to… have to produce that documentation when they apply to the Secretary of State.”

“So, there’s a background check done on the individual. Okay. Thank you.”

Speaker Hannig: “So, we’ve now had three speak in response, three speak in support. Representative Madigan is recognized to close.”

“I would just request a favorable vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 118 voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’, and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk.”

“On page 6 of the Calendar, is House Bill 5037. Is Representative McAuliffe available? Okay, out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. On page 4… on page 3 of the Calendar, is House Bill 4285. Representative Kelly. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Kelly.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #1 actually becomes the Bill. And it… House Bill 4285, the Amendment is an expansion of the EDGE Program. It will allow smaller businesses to take advantage of the EDGE Tax Credit.”

“Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke, on the Amendment.”

“Representative, you always remind of things I should say. Yes, I work with DCEO and the Illinois Chamber.”

“No I don’t.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor or the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read… on page 10… the Calendar’s House Bill 6983 for Representative May. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative May.”

“Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. Floor Amendment 2, adds some more language to tighten this up. It defines what ‘manufactured in the United States’ means. It adds penalty clauses and some more… and that’s basically it on Floor Amendment #2.”

Speaker Hannig: “And on that question, the Lady from Cook, Representative Collins.”

“Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. I just wanted to announce, I have a ransom note here. It says, ‘If you ever want to see your white bear again…, this is addressed to Taylor’s mom, that’s me. I had a bear, not this one, another white bear, someone stole. So, if anyone who knows… you stole… this is on the bear napper, I have a ransom note from the bear napper… who stole. I paid the ransom the four candy bars.” 09300114.doc 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“On the Amendment, is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Representative May.”

“Yes, this is a very minor change for the Capital Development Board and IDOT that they requested so that they could be neutral on the Bill.”

“Any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, on the Amendment #3.”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

“It adds… on the top of page 2, it adds the supplies and contractors. We added the word ‘contractors’. And then Section 30 says that if the Capital Development Board has a very complex project where there are five major contractors, it would be too hard for them to do, they might add up to… it might add cost to it, so we added that Section to exempt them from very complicated projects with five contractors.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?” 09300114.doc 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Third Reading. On page 2 of the Calendar, is House Bill 3850, Representative Mitchell.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 3 of the Calendar is House Bill 4211 for Representative Mitchell, Jerry Mitchell.”

“Representative Mitchell. Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #2 just further clarifies the action of minors tattooing minors.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 3 of the Calendar is House Bill 4225 for Representative Mitchell.”

“Representative Mitchell.” 09300114.doc 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“All in favor of the Bill say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Representative Mitchell, would you want us to just call the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Third Reading and Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300114.doc 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Representative Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d be happy to explain the Bill. It’s a shell.”

“Is there any discussion? The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Representative… okay. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 98 voting ‘yes’, 20 voting ‘no’, and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Davis, for what reason do you rise? Did you find the kidnapper?” Davis, W.: “Yes, Mr. Speaker, we’d like to find out who is responsible for stealing the white bear and left this ransom note asking for some candy bars. If we… if that bear doesn’t show up, we’re going to lock the chamber down. Nobody will be allowed to leave until we find the bear for the baby, right? Okay.”

“On… on page 4 of the Calendar is House Bill 4744. Representative McCarthy. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill. Looks like we found the bear.”

“Representative McCarthy.” 09300114.doc 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4744 basically shells the Bill, so, this is a shell Amendment. This is the initiative of the Illinois Student Assistance Commission. I believe their number one initiative this year, they have asked us all to pass this shell so we can continue to negotiate on it, hopefully get it over to the Senate, get some final language and bring it back for passage. I’d appreciate your support.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading, and Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. McCarthy.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 did become the Bill. As I stated earlier, this is a shell Bill. The Illinois Student Assistance Commission has asked me to say they would appreciate your votes so that we can continue negotiations on this very, very important topic. So, I’d appreciate your support.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have 09300114.doc 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 all voted who wish? Representative Mitchell, would you record yourself. Jerry Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 88… 86 voting ‘yes’ and 31 voting ‘no’ and 1 voting ‘present, and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 5 of the Calendar is House Bill 4877. Representative McCarthy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. Excuse me, Representative McCarthy. Are you waiting on an Amendment?”

“There is an Amendment that was in committee recommended for adoption. So, we should adopt that committee which shells the Bill before we pass the Bill.”

Speaker Hannig: “Representative McCarthy, is the Committee Amendment the Amendment that shells the Bill?”

“The Committee Amendment was recommended for adoption yesterday morning in Personnel and Pensions.”

“Okay.”

“Sorry. Thought we had adopted here as well.”

“So, I’m advised by the Clerk that the Amendment was adopted on the Bill in committee, is that correct?”

“Correct.”

“So, Mr. Clerk, we moved this to Third Reading, is that correct?. So would you read the Bill on Third.” 09300114.doc 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Representative McCarthy.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m sorry that I added to the confusion there, but Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as I kind of said in my abbreviated comments, this is a Bill that affects the University Retirement System. We are continuing to negotiate on this Bill. Very, very important to quite a few employees of our state. I’ve been given permission by both the Illinois Education Association, the Illinois Federation of Teachers and the system itself, SURS, to ask you to please pass this shell. We can continue negotiations, hopefully add the language in the Senate and bring it back here. So, I’d appreciate your ‘aye’ votes.”

“So, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Parke and Winters. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 74 voting ‘aye’, 42 voting ‘no’ and 1 voting ‘present’, and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 5 of the Calendar is House Bill 4975. Representative Rosemary Mulligan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300114.doc 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Third Reading. On page 6 of the Calendar is House Bill 5023, Representative Sacia. Would you like us to read the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Sacia.”

“And on the Amendment, Representative Scully.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this Bill. It’s an excellent proposal on redeveloping the downtown business districts of our older communities. The Amendment that we are working on is an issue to make sure that’s it’s a properly defined so that we can clearly understand who is… that the proper people will be eligible for the grant. I ask for your support.” 09300114.doc 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read… on page 3 read House Bill 4195. Representative Winters.”

“Representative Winters.”

“Any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 4 of the Calendar is House Bill4837. Would you read the Bill please.”

“Representative McGuire.” 09300114.doc 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have Amendment 2 and Amendment 4 which we’d like to adopt. Did I understand the Clerk say two was adopted?”

“No, no we’re on two right now. You need to…”

“On two, that’s what I thought.”

“…you need to move for its adoption and explain it.”

“Move for adoption.”

“And briefly explain it.”

“Basically, what Amendment 2 does, it replaces line 21 through 24 with the following: ‘medication management and money management’. That’s the…”

“Is there any discussion?”

“…sum and substance of Amendment 2.”

“Any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Representative McGuire.”

“We’d like to withdraw Amendment #3.”

Speaker Hannig: “Okay, the Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Any further Amendments?”

“Representative McGuire.”

“Amendment #4, very short. On line 13 it adds two words, ‘and evaluation’. Two words.” 09300114.doc 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

Speaker Hannig: “Any discussion? All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 2 of the Calendar is House Bill 1269, for Representative Molaro. Would you read the Bill, please.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 7 of the Calendar is House Bill 5345, for Representative Scully.”

“Representative Scully on the Motion to Table.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to table Amendment #1. This Amendment was approved in the Executive Committee yesterday. It did pass but clearly did not have the strong support that we need for presenting to the House, so, I’d ask that the Amendment be tabled.”

“So, the Gentleman’s moved to table Amendment #1. All in favor of the Motion say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is tabled. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 4 of the Calendar is House Bill 4481. Would you please read the Bill.”

“Representative Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Yesterday I spoke on this legislation, and in talking to Representative Black I informed him that we would come back with an Amendment which would allow the Minority Leader to make an appointment to this Lead Screening Commission that was formulated last year through legislation. It is my understanding that neither the Speaker nor the Minority Leader currently makes those appointments and it is not my intent to change that. My intent is just to add another member to the paint council and that’s what this legislation… another member to the commission who would be a representative of the paint council and that’s what the intent of this Amendment is, is just to make certain that a member of the paint council would be eligible to the commission. The appointments would then would be made by the public health and it is our intent to leave that the same. And with that, I move for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 4481.” 09300114.doc 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 5 is House Bill 4929. Would you read the Bill, please?”

“Representative Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman… Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The… this underlying Amendment is an Amendment that was given to me by the Department of Revenue to help correct some technical issues on this legislation regarding the implementation of the Bill. And that we will discuss when the Bill is on Third Reading, and with that, I move for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 4929.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 6 of the Calendar is House Bill 5130. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #2 is an Amendment… is a technical Amendment which will clarify the issue of credit reporting on behalf of the Clerk of the Court, and I move for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 5130.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 3 is House Bill 4302. Would you read the Bill, please.”

Speaker Hannig: “Is that Representative… I’m sorry, is that Amendment # 2 or 3, Rep… Mr. Clerk?”

“Three. Okay. Representative Yarbrough.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 4302, in agreement with other… the retail merchants and other interested parties, we… is to provide the restrictions on access by a 18-year old applies unless they are accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. This Bill has to do with moving tobacco 09300114.doc 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 behind the counter for… to reduce access to children. I ask for its adoption.”

“Is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Representative Bellock, on the Amendment.”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

“From the Retail Merchants?”

“Yes.”

“Thank you.”

“Any further discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes; have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 4 of the Calendar is House Bill 4635. Would you read the Bill, please.”

“Representative Younge.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4635 establishes the Mid-America Medical Center District in East St. Louis. During the presentation, there was discussion as to whether or not the revenue bonds of the commission would become the debts of the state, and so the purpose of this Amendment is to put into the Bill that… that the debts of the commission shall not be the debts of the State of Illinois, and take out the ability of the commission to authorize the issuance of bonds. And, I move for the adoption of the Amendment.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 4 of the Calendar is House Bill 4640. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Younge.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4640, Amendment #1, is an Amendment prepared by the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. The definition of ‘community’ is changed to make a municipality or a county with respect to 09300114.doc 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 the unincorporated areas, and also defined is ‘economically distressed communities’ to be communities over 25,000 that are in the top ten unemployment rates. And lastly, to make permissive the granting by DCEO of funds to operate the boards of economic advisors.”

“And on the Amendment, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

“There is… this is a substantive Bill and so there isn’t any appropriation… the Bill says, ‘subject to appropriations’ that DCEO will make grants for the operation of the boards of economic advisors. But this is a substantive Bill and it doesn’t have an effect fiscally.”

“Any further discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on the… on page 14 of the Calendar is Senate Bill 1914. Mr. Clerk, would you read that Bill for Representative Holbrook.”

“Okay. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Rules Report please.”

“Mr. Clerk, Mr. Clerk, would you read the Agreed Resolutions.”

“Okay, so Representative Currie now moves that we adopt the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it, the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Representative Scully, the Chair’s advised that your House Bill 5345, when you took the Amendment off, became a shell Bill. Would you just like to pass that and send it to the Senate now? Okay, so Mr. Clerk, on page 7 of the Calendar is House Bill 5345. Would you read that Bill a third time, please. And Representative Verschoore, for what reason do you rise?”

“Point of information, Mr. Speaker. When we adjourn here today, I would like to encourage everyone that didn’t 09300114.doc 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 get down to see the Classroom Cube, the 3-D presentation in Room 114. They’re sticking around, they feel it’s that important for people to see it, and I would ask everybody that thinks they have a few minutes, to please stop by Room 114 on adjournment. Thank you very much.”

“Thank you, Representative. And Representative McKeon, for reason do you rise? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Scully.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, I send… House Bill 5345, this is the Amendment to the Child Day Care Act. The issue was raised by a Supreme Court decision approximately 18 months ago, which states that the local municipalities have no jurisdiction at all to regulate any manag… licensed child day care providers, including issues of life safety and fire safety. An Amendment was passed yesterday in the Executive Committee, although it was passed, it clearly didn’t have the support that we need to pass this Bill with that substantive language. I did shell the Bill. I’ve been working with my day care providers and trade associations on substantive language to address this issue of making sure that these children have the proper safety needs that are coordinated with local government. Senator Crotty has agreed to Sponsor this Bill in the Senate. I’d ask you to work with me to pass this Bill as a shell Bill, move it over to the Senate where we can develop 09300114.doc 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 the appropriate substantive language. And I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“And on that question, Representative Parke is recognized.”

“Yes.”

“The Amendment was tabled, Representative.”

“Just a few minutes ago…”

“…and it…”

“Thank you. Representative McKeon.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to urge the Body to support the Amendment and the Bill. This is a very complex issue. It is certainly first and foremost a public safety issue, an issue of the safety of children workers in child care. And at the same time, it raises a lot of opportunities for exclusionary zoning and other techniques to keep certain kinds of programs and facilities out of a particular municipality. It’s a complex issue. I’ve assured the Sponsor that I would work with him and share my experience in this area and I urge your support.” 09300114.doc 202  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The question is, ‘Shall House Bill 5345 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 60 voting ‘yes’, 58 voting ‘no’, and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 6138.”

“Representative Osmond.”

Speaker Hannig: “On the Amendment, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Washington. On the Amendment? Okay. All in 09300114.doc 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4426. Representative McAuliffe. Mr… Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 2380. Okay, out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4374.”

“Representative McKeon.”

“Thank you, Mr… Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 replaces the Bill. And as amended with Floor Amendment #1, the Bill has absolutely nothing to do with the underlying Bill. What it does, in most cases where a collective bargaining agreement is being shifted from one collective bargaining organization to another, allows the carryover of the dues check-off and other fees that normally would be collected by the first collective bargaining unit to the second unit until they adopt any new rules or rather… enter into any new agreements with the employer. It’s a very simple Bill, simple Amendment and I urge your approval.”

“Okay, so on the Amendment, Representative Parke is recognized.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.” 09300114.doc 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“That’s correct.”

“Right, and… and…”

“And other labor rep… no opposition.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, could you read House Bill 4883. Is Representative Reitz in the chamber?”

“Okay. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4436.”

“Representative… Representative Flowers, do you wish to handle the Amendment? Representative Coulson. Representative Coulson on the Amendment.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5892.”

“Representative Bradley.” Bradley, R.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Floor Amendment #1 simply states that DPR will continue to have employees work primarily on the design professions work at DPR. This agreed Amendment between DPR and the architects.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment if adopted. Any further Amendments?” 09300114.doc 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4285. Representative Kelly. That’s out of the record. Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 6866.”

“Representative Bradley.” Bradley, R.: “6866 is IDOT’s annual land transfer, and Floor Amendment #1 just adds several elements to that land transfer. Was discussed in committee, no opposition.”

“Is there any discussion? All in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, could we return to the Order of House Bill 4883, for Representative Reitz.”

“Representative Reitz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House… House Bill 4883 creates… is the Truth in Employment Act. This… this Act states that it’s a violation for a contractor who’s a successful bidder on a construction project to misclassify employees as 09300114.doc 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 independent contractors. This is a new Act and we’re trying to correct the problem to make sure that people are actually paying unemployment taxes and workers’ comp taxes and things of that nature whenever they do projects. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1, and on that question, Representative Parke is recognized.”

“Is there any further discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 6220?”

“Return that to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. On page 15 of the Calendar, on 09300114.doc 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 the Order of Postponed Consideration is House Bill 4265. Representative Poe.”

“Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mulligan. Okay. On this… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 82 voting ‘yes’, 35 voting ‘no’ and 1 voting ‘present’, and this Bill having received a Constitutional… and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on the Order of Postponed Consideration, is House Bill 4850. Representative Slone. Okay. Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We discussed this Bill earlier today and I would appreciate your ‘aye’ votes.” 09300114.doc 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take… take the record. On this question there are 64 voting ‘yes’, 51 voting ‘no’ and 3 voting ‘present’, and this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Okay, on the Supplemental Calendar #1, Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 4949.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, could you read… on the Order of House Resolutions, House Resolution… on the Order of the Supplemental Calendar, is House Resolution 793. Representative Franks.”

“Speaker. This Resolution is very similar to one we passed before. There’s a few changes here that we found out after we passed it. We spelled a few name… few names wrong, put some wrong numbers in and what it is, is honoring the Latter Day Saints and their contributions. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

Speaker Hannig: “All in favor of the Resolution say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Resolution is adopted. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4650.”

Speaker Hannig: “Representative Collins is recognized on the Motion to Table… on the Motion to Table Amendment #1.”

“Amendment #1.”

Speaker Hannig: “All right. The Lady moves that we table Amendment #1. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the… and the Amendment is tabled. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 5890?”

“We’ll leave it on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, on… on the Regular Calendar is House Resolution 713. Representative Flowers. Would you like to present the Resolution?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move for the adoption of House Resolution 713 which talks about the World Health Organization and designating April 7th as the World Health Day. And I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions in regards to this.”

“Any discussion? All in favor or the Amendment (sic-Resolution) say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Resolution is adopted. Committee announcements.”

Speaker Hannig: “And now Representative Currie moves that allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, that the House stand adjourned until April 2nd at the hour of 10 a.m., and on that, Representative Black.”

“Yeah, state your inquiry.”

“We’re going to do that next year on April 1st.”

Speaker Hannig: “Very good, Representative Black. And now Representative Currie renews her Motion. Well, Representative Howard, excuse me. For what reason do you rise?”

“Yes, thank you so much. Very quickly, I did go to 114 and experienced that 3-D Learning Technologies Program. It is absolutely marvelous. I certainly hope that everybody will go after Session. They’re going to hang there for those of you who have not seen it yet. It is a program that I hope we get in all of the schools in this state. Please, if you can, stop by there. Thank you.”

Speaker Hannig: “Thank you, Representative Howard. And now, Representative Currie renews her Motion, that allowing 09300114.doc 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/1/2004 perfunctory time for the Clerk, that the House stand adjourned until tomorrow, April 2nd, at the hour of 10 a.m. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the House stands adjourned.”