"All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, we're gonna... hello... we're gonna do a little... little audible here. And the first thing we will do is to call the House to order. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. And we will now take the Attendance Roll Call. Mr. Clerk."
"Representative Acevedo."
"Here."
"Representative Acevedo is present. Representative Bassi."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Bassi is present. Representative Beaubien."
"Present."
"Representative Beaubien is present. Representative Brau... Representative Beiser."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Beiser is present. Representative Bellock."
"Here."
"Representative Bellock is present. Representative Berrios."
"Here."
"Representative Berrios is present. Representative Biggins."
"Here."
"Representative Biggins is present. Representative Black."
"Present." 09400133.doc 1 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Black is present. Representative Boland."
"Here."
"Representative Boland is present. Representative Bost."
"Here."
"Representative Bost is present. Representative John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Here."
"Representative John Bradley is present. Representative Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Here."
"Representative Rich Bradley is present. Representative Brady."
"Here."
"Representative Brady is present. Representative Brauer."
"Here."
"Representative Brauer is present. Representative Brosnahan. Representative Brosnahan. Representative Burke."
"Here."
"Representative Burke is present. Representative Chapa LaVia."
"Present."
"Representative Chapa LaVia is present. Representative Chavez."
"Here." 09400133.doc 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 133rd Legislative Day
"Representative Chavez is present. Representative Churchill."
"Here."
"Representative Churchill is present. Representative Collins."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Collins is present. Representative Colvin. Representative Colvin. Representative Coulson."
"Present."
"Representative Coulson is present. Representative Cross."
"Here."
"Representative Cross is present. Representative Cultra."
"Present."
"Representative Cultra is present. Representative Currie. Representative Currie."
"Present."
"Representative Currie is present. Representative D'Amico."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative D'Amico is present. Representative Daniels."
"Here."
"Representative Daniels is present. Representative Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 3 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Monique Davis is present. Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Present."
"Representative Will Davis is present. Representative Delgado. Representative Delgado."
"Here."
"Representative Delgado is present. Representative Dugan."
"Here."
"Representative Dugan is present. Representative Dunkin."
"Present."
"Representative Dunkin is present. Representative Dunn."
"Here."
"Representative Dunn is present. Representative Durkin."
"Here."
"Representative Durkin is present. Representative Eddy."
"Present."
"Representative Eddy is present. Representative Feigenholtz."
"Here."
"Representative Feigenholtz is present. Representative Flider."
"Here."
"Representative Flider is present. Representative Flowers." 09400133.doc 4 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Here."
"Representative Flowers is present. Representative Franks."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Franks is present. Representative Fritchey."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Fritchey is present. Representative Froehlich."
"Here."
"Representative Froehlich is present. Representative Giles."
"Present."
"Representative Giles is present. Representative Golar."
"Here."
"Representative Golar is present. Representative Gordon."
"Here."
"Representative Gordon is present. Representative Graham. Representative Graham."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Graham is present. Representative Granberg. Representative Granberg. Representative Hamos."
"Present."
"Representative Hamos is present. Representative Hannig. "
"Here." 09400133.doc 5 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Hannig is present. Representative Hassert."
"Present."
"Representative Hassert is present. Representative Hoffman."
"Here."
"Representative Hoffman is present. Representative Holbrook."
"Here."
"Representative Holbrook is present. Representative Howard."
"Present."
"Representative Howard is present. Representative Hultgren."
"Here."
"Representative Hultgren is present. Representative Jakobsson."
"Here."
"Representative Jakobsson is present. Representative Jefferies."
"Present."
"Representative Jefferies is present. Representative Jefferson."
"Here."
"Representative Jefferson is present. Representative Jenisch."
"Here." 09400133.doc 6 133rd Legislative Day
STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 "Representative Jenisch is present. Representative Joyce. Representative Joyce. Representative Kelly."
"Here."
"Representative Kelly is present. Representative Kosel."
"Here."
"Representative Kosel is present. Representative Krause."
"Here."
"Representative Krause is present. Representative Lang. Representative Lang."
"Here."
"Representative Lang is present. Representative Leitch."
"Here."
"Representative Leitch is present. Representative Lindner."
"Here."
"Representative Lindner is present. Representative Joe Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Here."
"Representative Joe Lyons is present. Representative Mathias."
"Present."
"Representative Mathias is present. Representative Mautino."
"Present." 09400133.doc 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Mautino is present. Representative May."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative May is present. Representative McAuliffe."
"Present."
"Representative McAuliffe is present. Representative McAuliffe... McCarthy."
"Here."
"Representative McCarthy is present. Representative McGuire."
"Here."
"Representative McGuire is present. Representative McKeon. Representative McKeon. Representative Men..."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative McKeon is present. Representative Mendoza."
"Present."
"Representative Mendoza is present. Representative Meyer."
"Present."
"Representative Meyer is present. Representative Miller."
"Here."
"Representative Miller is present. Representative Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Here." 09400133.doc 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Bill Mitchell is present. Representative Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Representative Jerry Mitchell is present. Representative Moffitt."
"Present."
"Representative Moffitt is present. Representative Molaro."
"Here."
"Representative Molaro is present. Representative Mulligan. Representative Mulligan."
"Here."
"Representative Mulligan is present. Representative Munson."
"Here."
"Representative Munson is present. Representative Myers."
"Present."
"Representative Myers is present. Representative Nekritz."
"Present."
"Representative Nekritz is present. Representative Osmond."
"Present."
"Representative Osmond is present. Representative Osterman."
"Present."
"Representative Osterman is present. Representative Parke." 09400133.doc 9 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Present."
"Representative Parke is present. Representative Patterson. Representative Phelps."
"Here."
"Representative Phelps is present. Representative Pihos."
"Present."
"Representative Pihos is present. Representative Poe."
"Present."
"Representative Poe is present. Representative Pritchard. Representative Pritchard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Pritchard is present. Representative Ramey."
"Present."
"Representative Ramey is present. Representative Reis."
"Here."
"Representative Reis is present. Representative Reitz."
"Here."
"Representative Reitz is present. Representative Rose: Rita. Representative Rita. Representative Rose." "(Inaudible)."
"Representative Rose is present. Representative Ryg."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 10 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Ryg is present. Representative Sacia."
"Here."
"Representative Sacia is present. Representative Saviano."
"Here."
"Representative Saviano is present. Representative Schmitz."
"Here."
"Representative Schmitz is present. Representative Schock."
"Here."
"Representative Schock is present. Representative Scully. Representative Scully."
"Here."
"Representative... Representative Smith. Representative Smith."
"Here."
"Representative Smith is present. Representative Sommer."
"Here."
"Representative Sommer is present. Representative Soto."
"Here."
"Representative Soto is present. Representative Stephens."
"Here."
"Representative Stephens is present. Representative Sullivan." 09400133.doc 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Here."
"Representative Sullivan is present. Representative Tracy. Representative Tracy."
"Present."
"Representative Tracy is present. Representative Tryon."
"Here."
"Representative Tryon is present. Representative Turner."
"Here."
"Representative Turner is present. Representative Verschoore."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Verschoore is present. Representative Wait."
"Here."
"Representative Wash... Wait is present. Representative Washington. Representative Washington."
"Here."
"Representative Washington is present. Representative Watson."
"Here."
"Representative Watson is present. Representative Winters."
"Here."
"Representative Winters is present. Representative Younge."
"Here." 09400133.doc 12 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Younge is present. Represen... Representative Yarbrough. Representative Yarbrough. Mr. Speaker is present. Representative Brosnahan."
"Here."
"Representative Brosnahan is present. Representative Colvin."
"Present."
"Representative Colvin is present. Representative Granberg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Granberg is present. Representative Giles."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Giles is present. Representative Joyce."
"Here."
"Representative Joyce is present. Representative Patterson. Representative Rita. Representative Rita. Representative Yarbrough. Representative Yarbrough. Representative Bassi. Representative Bassi."
"There being 114 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. We shall be led in prayer today by Lee Crawford the Assistant Pastor of the Victory Temple Church in Springfield. I think Mr. Crawford needs the microphone to be turned on. There should be another one, Lee. All right."
"Let us pray."
"Pastor... Pastor Crawford." 09400133.doc 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Most gracious and kind God, we come so humbly before You thanking You because You are the giver of life, You are the sustainer. Father, I thank You for an opportunity that I have to stand before such an august Body to pray Your blessings upon it. I thank You, Father, for the Leader of this House. I pray that You will bless him. I pray for every Member here. I pray that You would bless them. I ask, Father, today that You would grant them wisdom to be wise leaders, that You would grant them passionate hearts to be great servants. This we ask in Your Son's name, amen."
"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Hoffman."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are now... we are now prepared to take the picture. We need the laptop computers closed. Please close... please close the laptop computers. And why don't we remove the nametags from the desks, put them down. Purses and briefcases should be on the floor. We'd like the people behind the columns to stand, people behind the columns to stand. All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, the photographer's gonna start on my left, your right. So, those of you in that section start your pose. Please smile, Mr. Black. Would the... would the... would the back row just before the columns sit... sit high in the chairs. Now, that's good. For the purposes of the 09400133.doc 14 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 Attendance Roll Call, the Chair recognizes Representative Currie. Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representative Patterson is excused today."
"Mr. Bost. Mr. Bost needs a microphone."
"Thank you, Mr... thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that Representative Bassi is excused."
"Let the record reflect those excused absences. And again, there being 114 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. On page 2 of the Calendar, on the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, there appears Senate Bill 205. Mr. Saviano."
"Thank you... thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Mr. Saviano."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Senate Bill 205 as amended is cleanup language for the speak... speech pathology association. We worked this out with the association and the department. It simply addresses a problem we've had with some... some of the students in... in the school for this profession. It's an agreed Bill. And I would ask for your approval of Senate Bill 205 as amended."
"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 205, a Bill for an Act concerning regulation. Third Reading of this Senate Bill."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Is there any debate... any discussion? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed by voting 'no'. Mr. Clerk, take the record." 09400133.doc 15 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Acevedo."
"Aye."
"Representative Acevedo votes 'aye'. Representative Beaubien."
"Yes."
"Representative Beaubien votes 'aye'. Representative Beiser."
"Aye."
"Representative Beiser votes 'aye'. Representative Bellock."
"Aye."
"Representative Bellock votes 'aye'. Representative Berrios."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Berrios votes 'aye'. Representative Biggins."
"Aye."
"Representative Biggins votes 'aye'. Representative Black."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Black votes 'aye'. Representative Boland. Representative Black."
"Mr. Black. Mr. Black."
"I vote 'nay'."
"Representative Black votes 'no'. Representative Boland."
"Yes."
"Representative Boland votes 'aye'. Representative Bost." 09400133.doc 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Representative Bost votes 'aye'. Representative John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Aye."
"Representative John Bradley votes 'aye'. Representative Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Representative Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Representative Brady."
"Yes."
"Representative Brady votes 'aye'. Representative Brauer."
"Yes."
"Representative Brauer votes 'aye'. Representative Brosnahan."
"Yes."
"Representative Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Representative Burke. Representative Burke."
"Yes."
"Representative Burke votes 'aye'. Representative Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Representative Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Representative Chavez."
"Aye."
"Representative Chavez votes 'aye'. Representative Churchill."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Churchill votes 'aye'. Representative Collins."
"Yes."
"Representative Collins votes 'aye'. Representative Colvin."
"Yes."
"Representative Colvin votes 'aye'. Representative Coulson."
"Aye."
"Representative Coulson votes 'aye'. Representative Cross."
"Aye."
"Representative Cross votes 'aye'. Representative Cultra."
"Yes."
"Representative Cultra votes 'aye'. Representative Currie."
"Aye."
"Representative Currie votes 'aye'. Representative D'Amico."
"Aye."
"Representative D'Amico votes 'aye'. Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels."
"Aye."
"Representative Daniels votes 'aye'. Representative Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "(Inaudible)."
"Representative Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Representative Will Davis." 09400133.doc 18 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Representative Will Davis votes 'aye'. Representative Delgado."
"Aye."
"Representative Delgado votes 'aye'. Representative Dugan. Representative Dugan."
"Aye."
"Representative Dugan votes 'aye'. Representative Dunkin."
"Aye."
"Representative Dunkin votes 'aye'. Representative Dunn. Representative Dunn."
"Aye."
"Representative Dunn votes 'aye'. Representative Durkin."
"Yes."
"Representative Durkin votes 'aye'. Representative Eddy."
"Aye."
"Representative Eddy votes 'aye'. Representative Feigenholtz. Representative Feigenholtz."
"Yes."
"Representative Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Representative Flider. Representative Flider."
"Yes."
"Representative Flider votes 'aye'. Representative Flowers."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 19 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Flowers votes 'aye'. Representative Franks."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Franks votes 'aye'. Representative Fritchey."
"Yes."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Fritchey votes 'aye'. Representative Froehlich."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Froehlich votes 'aye'. Representative Giles."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Giles votes 'aye'. Representative Golar."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Golar votes... Representative Golar votes 'aye'. Representative Gordon."
"Yes."
"Representative Gordon votes 'aye'. Representative Graham."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Graham votes 'aye'. Representative Granberg."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Granberg votes 'aye'. Representative Hamos."
"Yes."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Hamos votes 'aye'. Representative Hannig." 09400133.doc 20 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Representative Hannig votes 'aye'. Representative Hassert. Representative Hassert. Representative Hoffman."
"Aye."
"Representative Hoffman votes 'aye'. Representative Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Representative Holbrook votes 'aye'. Representative Howard."
"Aye."
"Representative Howard votes 'aye'. Representative Hultgren."
"Aye."
"Representative Hultgren votes 'aye'. Representative Jakobsson."
"Yes."
"Representative Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Representative Jefferson... Jefferies."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Jefferies votes 'aye'. Representative Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Representative Jefferson votes 'aye'. Representative Jenisch."
"Aye."
"Representative Jenisch votes 'aye'. Representative Joyce. Representative Joyce."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Joyce votes 'aye'. Representative Kelly."
"Yes."
"Representative Kelly votes 'aye'. Representative Kosel."
"Yes."
"Representative Kosel votes 'aye'. Representative Krause."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Krause votes 'aye'. Representative Lang. Representative Lang."
"Aye."
"Representative Lang votes 'aye'. Representative Leitch. Representative Leitch. Representative Lindner."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Lindner votes 'aye'. Representative Leitch."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Leitch votes 'no'. Representative Joe Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Representative Joe Lyons votes 'aye'. Representative Mathias."
"Aye."
"Representative Mathias votes 'aye'. Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino. Representative May. Representative May."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative May says 'aye'. Representative Mautino."
"Aye."
"Representative Mautino says 'aye'. Representative McAuliffe."
"Aye."
"Representative McAuliffe says 'aye'. Representative McCarthy."
"Aye."
"Representative McCarthy says 'aye'. Representative McGuire."
"Aye."
"Representative McGuire says 'aye'. Representative McKeon."
"Yes."
"Representative McKeon votes 'aye'. Representative Mendoza."
"Aye."
"Representative Mendoza votes 'aye'. Representative Meyer."
"Aye."
"Representative Meyer votes 'aye'. Representative Miller."
"Aye."
"Representative Miller votes 'aye'. Representative Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Representative Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Representative Jerry Mitchell." 09400133.doc 23 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 Mitchell, J.: "Aye."
"Representative Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Representative Moffitt."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Moffitt votes 'aye'. Representative Molaro."
"Yes."
"Representative Molaro votes 'aye'. Representative Mulligan."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Mulligan votes 'aye'. Representative Munson. Representative Munson."
"Aye."
"Ms. Munson votes 'aye'. Representative Myers. Representative Myers. Representative Myers."
"Yes."
"Representative Myers votes 'aye'.
Representative Nekritz. Nekritz: "(Inaudible)."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Nekritz votes 'aye'. Representative Osmond."
"Aye."
"Representative Osmond votes 'aye'. Representative Osterman."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Osterman votes 'aye'. Representative Parke."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Parke votes 'aye'. Representative Phelps."
"Yes."
"Representative Phelps votes 'aye'. Representative Pihos."
"Aye."
"Representative Pihos votes 'aye'. Representative Poe. Representative Poe. Representative Pritchard."
"Aye."
"Representative Pritchard votes 'aye'. Representative Ramey."
"Aye."
"Representative Ramey votes 'aye'. Representative Reis."
"Yes."
"Representative Reis votes 'aye'. Representative Reitz."
"Yes."
"Representative Reitz votes 'aye'. Representative Rita."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Rita votes 'aye'. Representative Rose."
"Yes."
"Representative Rose votes 'aye'. Representative Ryg."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Ryg votes 'aye'. Representative Sacia."
"Aye."
"Representative Sacia votes 'aye'. Representative Saviano."
"Aye."
"Representative Saviano votes 'aye'. Representative Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Representative Schmitz votes 'aye'. Representative Schock. Representative Schock."
"Yes."
"Representative Schock votes 'aye'. Representative Scully."
"Aye."
"Representative Scully votes 'aye'. Representative Smith."
"Aye."
"Representative Smith votes 'aye'. Representative Sommer."
"Yes."
"Representative Sommer votes 'aye'. Representative Soto. Representative Soto."
"Yes."
"Representative Soto votes 'aye'. Representative Stephens."
"No."
"Representative Stephens votes 'no'. Representative Sullivan." 09400133.doc 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Representative Sullivan votes 'aye'. Representative Tracy."
"Yes."
"Ms. Tracy votes 'aye'. Representative Tryon."
"Aye."
"Representative Tryon votes 'aye'. Representative Turner."
"Aye."
"Representative Turner votes 'aye'. Representative Verschoore."
"Aye."
"Representative Verschoore votes 'aye'. Representative Wait. Representative Wait."
"Yes."
"Representative Wait votes 'aye'. Representative Washington."
"Yes."
"Representative Washington votes 'aye'. Representative Watson."
"Aye."
"Representative Watson votes 'aye'. Representative Winters."
"Aye."
"Representative Winters votes 'aye'. Representative Yarbrough. Representative Yarbrough."
"Aye."
"Representative Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Representative Younge." 09400133.doc 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Representative Younge votes 'aye'. And Mr. Speaker."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Representative Hassert."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Hassert votes 'aye'. Representative Poe."
"Aye."
"Representative Poe votes 'aye'."
"On the question, there are 113 people voting 'yes', 3 people voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Extraordinary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Supplemental Calendar #1... First, on the Order of Agreed Resolutions there appears HR1511. Mr. Scully. And then on the Order of Resolutions there appears HR1494. Mr. Colvin. We're gonna ask with leave of the Body that both Resolutions be taken together. Leave is granted. And first we'll recognize Mr. Scully on HR1511. Mr. Scully."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For many years I have had a wonderful working relationship with the Lambda Mu Chapter of the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. These men are doing outstanding work in our community. It's very interesting; it's very different from other college fraternities that you and I might know about. One of the main differences, they actively recruit men our age to join the fraternity. A very good friend of mine, Rory Smith, who's an associate dean at 09400133.doc 28 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 John Marshall Law School, sits on the school board of my local school district. His daughters go to school with my daughters. He was recruited by the brothers of Alpha Phi Alpha to join their fraternity. This Saturday night they are going to have their annual scholarship dinner to promote scholarships for African-American males. To assist them, I will be contributing two of my legislative scholarships to their scholarship fund. I'm very proud of the friends that I have in this organization. And I ask for your support in this Resolution honoring their great work for our community."
"Mr. Scully moves for the adoption of HR1511. And the Chair recognizes Mr. Colvin on HR1494. Mr. Colvin."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can we get just a little order in the House, please?"
"Yes. Yeah, Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Colvin would like your attention, please."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, generation, Webster's Dictionary defines the word 'generation' in two distinct fashions. The first quantifies a 'generation' as an expanse of time. The second defines the word 'generation' as an identifiable group of people who share similar ideas, goals and accomplishments. Today, here in the Capitol, the great State of Illinois, both definitions define my purpose for acknowledgement among my peers this afternoon. From the first literary fraternity, Phi Beta Kappa, founded in 1776 at the College of William and Mary for the subsequent development of social fraternities starting with Kappa Alpha in 1825, college fraternities have 09400133.doc 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 sought to foster close relationships and personal development. In the early 20th century, black students were often excluded from social organizations at many colleges and universities. Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Incorporated and was founded on December 4, 1906, on the campus of Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, to provide associations in support among African Americans. Alpha Phi Alpha holds the distinct honor of being the first intercollegiate fraternity established by African Americans. Its founders, Henry Arthur Callis, Charles Henry Chapman, Eugene Kinckle Jones, George Biddle Kelley, Nathaniel Allison Murray, Robert Harold Ogle and Vertner Woodson Tandy are collectively and endearingly known as the Seven Jewels of the fraternity. With its cardinal principles, manly deeds, scholarship and love for all mankind, over 175 thousand men have been initiated into this fraternity in more than 700 college and alumni chapters worldwide. Aside from the lasting friendships, fraternal bonds that are provided, Alpha Phi Alpha has dedicated itself to a number of philanthropic programs. Alpha works closely with the organizations such as Head Start, Big Brothers and Sisters of America, the NAACP and Habitat for Humanity to name a few. Alpha Phi Alpha has also created a number of its own programs such as Go-to-High School, Go-to-College program, a national voter registration program, named A Voteless People is a Hopeless People, and Project Alpha to provide education, motivation to skill building issues of responsibility, relationships, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases for young males between the ages of 12 09400133.doc 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 and 15 years of age. And on the eve of our 100th anniversary, we take this time to simply say thank you. Thank you to our founders, our Seven Jewels, for on the campus of Cornell University gave birth to a generation of leaders who have helped define not just African-American history, not just American history but world history. For Alpha men have set the pace for generation leaders in education, science, medicine, music, entertainment and civil rights, from Martin Luther King and the struggle for human rights, to Thurgood Marshall for the fight for civil justice, to Jesse Owens in the face of racial intolerance on the eve of World War II bravely showed the world that athletic excellence is a product of superior training and dedication and not birthright. From some of the world's most famous entertainers like Duke Ellington and Lionel Ritchey, to the legendary business leaders like John H. Johnson. In the political arena, no one needs look further than the great State of Illinois to understand the influence of Alpha Phi Alpha has had on the politilly... political landscape of our great state. From Roland Burris, the first African American to ever be elected to statewide office, not once but twice, to the second African-American mayor of the City of Chicago, Eugene Sawyer. To the first African American to lead the Cook County Board of Commissioners, John Stroger, to the election of his son last Tuesday to the same post. Alpha men have had a tremendous impact on the political landscape in Illinois. Beyond the borders of Illinois the legacy is even more powerful. Former mayors, David Dinkins of New York, Andrew Young of Atlanta, Willie 09400133.doc 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 Brown of San Francisco and Marc Morial of New Orleans just to name a few. While Alpha Phi Alpha is the first, it hardly stands alone. During the course of the last century, eight additional African-American Greek-letter fraternities and sororities have been founded and have added to the growth and prosperity of our communities across the state, across the country and around the world. Right here in Springfield that spirit of community service and leadership is on display every day with my colleagues and it overwhelms me. Representatives Wyvetter Younge and Connie Howard and Annazette Collins of Alpha Kappa Alpha, Representatives Will Davis and State Senators Kwame Raoul and James Clayborne and Secretary of State Jesse White of Kappa Alpha Psi, Representatives Deborah Graham and Robin Kelly of Sigma Gamma Rho, Representative David Miller from Omega Psi Phi, Senator Kimberly Lightford of Delta Sigma Theta and Representative Ken Dunkin of Phi Beta Sigma and of course, Senator Donne Trotter and yours truly of Alpha Phi Alpha. Together we personify the spirit of cooperation and commitment to our communities, serviced amongst our own Pan- Hellenic Council right here in Springfield, Illinois. Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, an idea borne and involving, through a century of change and challenge, an idea tempered by the knowledge that commitment to family, community and God Almighty, all grounded in the belief that brotherhood and sisterhood could only enhance these precepts, an idea ennobled by faith and fraternity spirit can summon from its myriad diversity the deepest measure of unity, an idea infused with the conviction that Alpha Phi Alpha's long, 09400133.doc 32 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 heroic journey must go on forever, onward and upward. And so, my fellow colleagues and of course, my beloved brothers of Alpha Phi Alpha, here, still at the edge of the 21st century, let us begin the next 100 years with energy and hope, with faith and discipline and let us not stop working until our work is done. The Scripture says, 'and let us not be weary of well doing, for in due season we shall reap if we faint not'. From this joyful mountaintop of century... of a century of celebration, we hear a call up to service in the valley. We have heard the trumpets of our Seven Jewels. We are first of all, we are servants of the law, that we shall transcend all. And now, in each our own way with God's help, we must answer the call. And with that, Mr. Speaker, I ask for adoption of the Resolution."
"The Chair recognizes Representative Howard. Representative Howard needs a microphone."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Lambda Mu Omega Chapter, I know I am joined by fellow sorority members, Representatives Wyvetter Younge and Annazette Collins, as we congratulate the men of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity on the occasion of the celebration of their 100th year anniversary. A Phi A men, you have the distinction of being the first of five black male organizations of its kind. You are the first of nine black organizations, including your female counterparts. You led the way. It was following your lead that AKA, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, was established in 1908. As you continue to be role models for young black males and continue to highlight the importance of academic excellence, 09400133.doc 33 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 I wish you as much success in your next 100 years. Thank you."
"Mr. Colvin. Colvin."
"Hello. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if it pleases my colleagues, I would simply like to recognize members of Alpha Phi Alpha throughout the great district of Illinois who are here in the gallery today. Gentlemen, stand up and take a bow."
"Mr. Clerk."
"Rules Report. Representative Barbara Flynn Currie, Chairperson from the Committee on Rules, to which the following legislative measures and/or Joint Action Motion were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'approved for floor consideration' and referred to the Order of Concurrence is House Bill 4137; 'recommends be adopted' and referred to the Order of Resolutions is House Resolution 1494."
"The question before the Body is the adoption of HR1511 and HR1494. There has been leave of the Body to take both of these matters on one Roll Call. Those in favor of the Resolution say 'aye'; those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Resolutions are adopted. Committee Reports."
"Representative Saviano, Chairperson from the Committee on Registration & Regulation, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate 09400133.doc 34 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 Bill 2427. Representative Mendoza, Chairperson from the Committee on International Trade & Commerce, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'recommends be adopted' House Joint Resolution 144. Representative Burke, Chairperson from the Committee on Executive, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'recommends be adopted' House Resolution 1497. Representative Giles, Chairperson from the Committee on Elementary & Secondary Education, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'do pass Short Debate' Senate Bill 1856. Representative Osterman, Chairperson from the Committee on Local Government, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'do pass Short Debate' is House Bill 5830. Representative Franks, Chairperson from the Committee on State Government Administration, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'recommends be adopted' is a Motion to Concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4137. Representative Delgado, Chairperson from the Committee on Human Services, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following 09400133.doc 35 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 recommendation/s: 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 5839. Representative Reitz, Chairperson from the Committee on Revenue, to which the following measure/s was/were referred, action taken on November 14, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'do pass as amended Short Debate' is Senate Bill 1989."
"On page 2 of the Calendar, on the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, there appears Senate Bill 318. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 318, a Bill for an Act concerning local government. Third Reading of this Senate Bill."
"Mr. Hannig."
"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This is a joint Bill by myself, Representative Flider, Representative Mitchell and Representative Washington has joined us as well. It came out of committee just yesterday on a unanimous vote. The language of the Bill provides that the sanitary district of Decatur may enter into an agreement to sell, convey or disperse treated wastewater and/or accept wastewater for treatment with a private entity located within 50 miles of the district's boundary. The agreement may not exceed 30 years. I have a coal gasification plant in my district that's currently moving along and one of the items that is necessary in order to make that a success is water. The sanitary district of Decatur has come up with an innovative idea that they'd like to sell water to this private entity, but they feel that they need to have statutory authority to do that. And so that's what this Bill does. It will provide for some economic development 09400133.doc 36 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 around our state, in particular, in the area between Taylorville and Decatur. I'd be happy to answer your... any questions. And I'd ask for your 'yes' vote."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Is there any discussion? Mr. Black."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Sponsor yields."
"Representative, explain to me, this agreement only deals with wa... wastewater that's already been treated?"
"Yes. It's my understanding that the sanitary district in Decatur treats about 30 million gallons of wastewater a day. They just simply put that back into the environment in various places. They would... this Bill would allow them to sell 10 million gallons of that water to the coal gasification plant in Taylorville."
"And the coal gasification plant would use the water for, I assume, cooling purposes?"
"That's correct."
"And the Illinois Department of Public Health and the IEPA have not indicated that this would present any undue difficulty by using the treated wastewater?"
"Representative, we had a committee hearing yesterday and none of the agencies have... did file either in support or in opposition and none of them have contacted me with any concerns."
"Okay. To the best of your knowledge is... is the use of treated wastewater being done in any other capacity in the State of Illinois? I'm not aware of it, so I don't know." 09400133.doc 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"I'm... I'm not certain either, Representative, but the underlying problem is that the City of Taylorville does not have sufficient water that they could just simply pump from their lake."
"Okay."
"And in fact the coal gasification people suggested that treated water that we typically drink with fluoride and chlorine and other things is really not what they want. They want more raw water."
"All right. Thank you very much."
"Is there any further discussion? Any further discussion? Mr. Flider. Flider."
"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes. This legislation truly is facilitating a regional approach to economic development and I think in an innovative way that's gonna benefit all of central Illinois. This plant, the coal technology plant, will be a $1.4 billion investment over a 3-year period. There'll be over 1 thousand construction jobs during that period. And when it's completed, there will be 4- to 6-hundred permanent, good paying jobs in our area. So, this truly is an innovative approach where people are trying to work together and something that we should be proud of here in central Illinois. And I would encourage your support."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed by voting 'no'. Mr. Clerk."
"Representative Acevedo." 09400133.doc 38 133rd Legislative Day
"Yes."
"Representative Acevedo votes 'aye'. Representative Beaubien."
"Yes."
"Representative Beaubien votes 'aye'. Representative Beiser. Representative Beiser. Representative Bellock."
"Yes."
"Representative Bellock votes 'aye'. Representative Berrios."
"Aye."
"Representative Berrios votes 'aye'. Representative Biggins."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Biggins votes 'aye'. Representative Black."
"Aye."
"Representative Black votes 'aye'. Representative Boland. Representative Boland."
"Yes."
"Representative Boland votes 'aye'. Representative Bost."
"Aye."
"Representative Bost votes 'aye'. Representative John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Representative John Bradley votes 'no'. Representative Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye." 09400133.doc 39 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Representative Brady."
"Yes."
"Representative Brady votes 'aye'. Representative Brauer."
"Yes."
"Representative Brauer votes 'aye'. Representative Brosnahan."
"Yes."
"Representative Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Representative Burke."
"Aye."
"Representative Burke votes 'aye'. Representative Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Representative Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Representative Chavez."
"Aye."
"Representative Chavez votes 'aye'. Representative Churchill. Representative Churchill. Representative Collins."
"Yes."
"Representative Collins votes 'aye'. Representative Colvin. Representative Colvin. Representative Coulson. Representative Coulson."
"No."
"Representative Coulson votes 'no'. Representative Cross. Representative Cross. Representative Cultra." 09400133.doc 40 133rd Legislative Day
"Yes."
STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 "Representative Cultra votes 'aye'. Representative Currie."
"Aye."
"Representative Representative D'Amico."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Representative Daniels."
"Aye."
"Representative Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels votes 'aye'. Representative Monique Davis." "Representative Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Davis, M.: "Aye."
Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Will Davis votes 'aye'. Representative Delgado."
"Aye."
Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Delgado votes 'aye'. Representative Dugan. Representative Dugan. Representative Dunkin."
"Yes."
"Representative Dunkin votes 'aye'. Representative Dunn."
"Aye."
"Representative Dunn votes 'aye'. Representative Durkin."
"Aye. " 09400133.doc 41 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Durkin votes 'aye'. Representative Eddy."
"Aye."
"Representative Eddy votes 'aye'. Representative Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Representative Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Representative Flider."
"Aye."
"Representative Flider votes 'aye'. Representative Flowers."
"Aye."
"Representative Flowers votes 'aye'. Representative Franks."
"No."
"Representative Franks votes 'no'. Representative Fritchey. Representative Fritchey."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Fritchey votes 'aye'. Representative Froehlich."
"Aye."
"Representative Froehlich votes 'aye'. Representative Giles. Representative Giles. Representative Golar."
"Aye."
"Representative Golar votes 'aye'. Representative Gordon."
"No." 09400133.doc 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Gordon votes 'no'. Representative Graham."
"Yes."
"Representative Graham votes 'aye'. Representative Granberg."
"Aye."
"Representative Granberg votes 'aye'. Representative Hamos."
"Yes."
"Representative Hamos votes 'aye'. Representative Hannig."
"Aye."
"Representative Hannig votes 'aye'. Representative Hassert."
"Aye."
"Representative Hassert votes 'aye'. Representative Hoffman."
"Aye."
"Representative Hoffman votes 'aye'. Representative Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Representative Holbrook votes 'aye'. Representative Howard. Representative Howard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Howard votes 'aye'. Representative Hultgren."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Hultgren votes 'aye'. Representative Jakobsson." 09400133.doc 43 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Jakobsson: "(Inaudible)."
"Representative Jakobsson votes 'no'. Representative Jefferies. Representative Jefferies."
"Aye."
"Representative Jefferies votes 'aye'. Representative Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Representative Jefferson votes 'aye'. Representative Jenisch."
"Aye."
"Representative Jenisch votes 'aye'. Representative Joyce."
"Aye."
"Representative Joyce votes 'aye'. Representative Kelly. Representative Kelly."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Kelly votes 'aye'. Representative Kosel."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Kosel votes 'aye'. Representative Krause."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Krause votes 'aye'. Representative Lang."
"Aye."
"Representative Lang votes 'aye'. Representative Leitch."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 44 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Leitch votes 'aye'. Representative Lindner."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Lindner votes 'aye'. Representative Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Representative Lyons votes 'aye'. Representative Mathias."
"Aye."
"Representative Mathias votes 'aye'. Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Mautino votes 'aye'. Representative May."
"Aye."
"Representative May votes 'aye'. Representative McAuliffe."
"Aye."
"Representative McAuliffe votes 'aye'. Representative McCarthy."
"Yes."
"Representative McCarthy votes 'aye'. Representative McGuire. Representative McGuire."
"Aye."
"Representative McGuire votes 'aye'. Representative McKeon."
"Yes."
"Representative McKeon votes 'aye'. Representative Mendoza." 09400133.doc 45 133rd Legislative Day
"Aye."
"Representative Mendoza votes 'aye'. Representative Meyer."
"Yes."
"Representative Meyer votes 'aye'. Representative Miller."
"Yes."
"Representative Miller votes 'aye'. Representative Monique Davis. Representative Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Representative Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Representative Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Representative Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Representative Moffitt."
"Aye."
"Representative Moffitt votes 'aye'. Representative Molaro."
"Aye."
"Representative Molaro votes 'aye'. Representative Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Representative Mulligan votes 'aye'. Representative Munson."
"No."
"Representative Munson votes 'no'. Representative Myers."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Myers votes 'aye'. Representative Nekritz."
"Yes."
"Representative Nekritz votes 'aye'. Representative Osmond."
"Yes."
"Representative Osmond votes 'aye'. Representative Osterman."
"Aye."
"Representative Osterman votes 'aye'. Representative Parke."
"Aye."
"Representative Parke votes 'aye'. Representative Phelps. Representative Phelps."
"No."
"Representative Phelps votes 'no'. Representative Pihos."
"Aye."
"Representative Pihos votes 'aye'. Representative Poe."
"Aye."
"Representative Poe votes 'aye'. Representative Pritchard. Representative Pritchard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Pritchard votes 'aye'. Representative Ramey."
"Aye."
"Representative Ramey votes 'aye'. Representative Reis." 09400133.doc 47 133rd Legislative Day
"(Inaudible)." STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Reis votes 'aye'. Representative Reitz."
"Aye."
"Representative Reitz votes 'aye'. Representative Rita."
"Aye."
"Representative Rita votes 'aye'. Representative Rose."
"Yes."
"Representative Rose votes 'aye'. Representative Ryg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Ryg votes 'aye'. Representative Sacia."
"Aye."
"Representative Sacia votes 'aye'. Representative Saviano."
"Aye."
"Representative Saviano votes 'aye'. Representative Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Representative Schmitz votes 'aye'. Representative Schock. Representative Schock."
"Aye."
"Representative Schock votes 'aye'. Representative Scully."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Scully votes 'aye'. Representative Smith."
"Yes."
"Representative Smith votes 'aye'. Representative Sommer."
"Aye."
"Representative Sommer votes 'aye'. Representative Soto."
"Aye."
"Representative Soto votes 'aye'. Representative Stephens."
"Aye."
"Representative Stephens votes 'aye'. Representative Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Representative Sullivan votes 'aye'. Representative Tracy."
"Aye."
"Representative Tracy votes 'aye'. Representative Tryon."
"Aye."
"Representative Tryon votes 'aye'. Representative Turner."
"Aye."
"Representative Turner votes 'aye'. Representative Verschoore."
"Aye."
"Representative Verschoore votes 'aye'. Representative Wait." 09400133.doc 49 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Representative Wait votes 'aye'. Representative Washington."
"Aye."
"Representative Washington votes 'aye'. Representative Watson."
"Aye."
"Representative Watson votes 'aye'. Representative Winters. Representative Winters. Representative Yarbrough."
"Yes."
"Representative Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Representative Younge."
"Aye."
"Representative Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Representative Beiser."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Beiser votes 'no'. Representative Churchill."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Churchill votes 'aye'. Representative Colvin. Representative Colvin. Representative Cross. Representative Cross. Representative Dugan."
"No." 09400133.doc 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Representative Dugan votes 'no'. Representative Giles."
"Aye."
"Representative Giles votes 'aye'. Representative Winters. Representative Winters."
"Representative... Linda. Change Chapa LaVia to 'no'."
"Representative Chapa LaVia votes 'no'."
"Anything else? On this question, there are 103 voting 'yes', 10 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Extraordinary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Granberg in the Chair."
"Mr. Clerk, seein' Senate Bill 799, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 799, a Bill for an Act concerning public employee benefits. Third Reading of this Senate Bill."
"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Smith. Representative Smith."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a Bill that would simply authorize participation of employees of the United Counties Council of Illinois in IMRF. This is similar to what we have allowed for other organizations who represent governmental entities who participate in IMRF. I know of no opposition. IMRF itself is neutral. All the costs involved would be borne either by the employee or by the association. I'd be happy to answer any questions."
"Any questions of the Sponsor? Representative Parke." 09400133.doc 51 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will. Proceed."
"Representative, if we're doing this for this individual... Where is the Sponsor? Can I... Thank you."
"Back behind here."
"Thank you. Thank you. Is this gentleman or lady bringing in any prior benefits with them from another ex... work experience and is he paying for that?"
"I'm... I'm not aware that he would... would be doing that and if he were, I'm sure it would be at his cost."
"But... So, you have no knowledge that..."
"No, I don't."
"Just a minute. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you."
"Thank you. Any further questions of the Sponsor? Representative Black."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will. Proceed."
"Representative, let me follow up on a previous question. This only impacts one person, correct?"
"That is correct currently although it... it could apply to any employees of the organization. Currently, there's only one..."
"All right."
"...employee that would be eligible."
"Is this employee a county employee in any possible definition?"
"No, he's not."
"Would he be classified as a municipal employee?" 09400133.doc 52 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"No, he would not."
"Then I see why you're trying to pass the law. The law clearly states that you must be a municipal or county employee and this person is not. Now, if this person wants to accrue full benefits under IMRF, you said he's not a municipal or county employee, who will pay his contributions to IMRF?"
"The contributions will be paid by him and his employer."
"And I take that to mean his employer would be county governments."
"Well, it would be the United Counties Council which is made up of member counties, that's right."
"And these counties are willing to take on an extra IMRF burden for an employee who technically, without this law, would not qualify under any other pos... possibility, Smith: correct?" "Yes. This is an initiative of the United Counties Council and one of their executive board members was in committee and... and was prepared to testify in favor of it. And I would... I would just add, Representative Black, this is similar to what we already allow for the director... executive director of the Municipal League, the executive director of the Association of Park Districts, I believe, the executive director of the Township Officials of Illinois. So, it's similar to what has been done for other organizations."
"All right. I... I appreciate that because that was my next question as to whether it had been done before. As always, Representative, thank you for your forthright answers to the Bill." 09400133.doc 53 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Thank you."
"Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in all due respect to the Sponsor and I think I know who the individual is who would be impacted by this Bill and I certainly have the highest regard for that individual, but we are currently facing a debt in the pension system of this state of approximately and you can argue a billion here, a billion there, but about $40 billion. We rank dead last in pension funding for our public systems. IMRF I understand is a different system. It is financed by property tax revenues levied on the property taxpayers of a county or a municipal government and I know many counties were shocked a year ago to find that their IMRF rate had increased considerably. Now, we may have done this in the past, but given the general state of funding for public pensions in this particular State of Illinois, where... where do we draw the line? Why... why not allow staff members of the General Assembly to participate in the General Assembly Retirement System. Why not allow other members who work in some capacity for State Government to join the General Assembly Retirement System. This could become... ya know, and the Bill itself is innocuous. The Gentleman means very well. The gentleman that it impacts for... from all of my dealings with him is an extraordinary gentleman and very good at his job, but I... I think the facts clearly show that we cannot continue, as we have in the past, to be nice people, try to let other folks get into a pension system, accrue lifetime health benefits, put people who were never intended to be in the alternative pension formula which started out for law 09400133.doc 54 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 enforcement officials only, we can't continue to do this if we're not willing and able to fund those liabilities. And I know this in and of itself would not put an undue burden on the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund, but the taxpayers, the property taxpayers will be paying the pension contributions for an individual who is not technically an employee of any local unit of government. That's why this Bill is necessary. It's an extension; it goes beyond what I think the intent of IMRF was anticipated and expected to be and at some point we have to say, no, we cannot continue to add pension liabilities if we're not willing to face the voters and tell them how we intend to see that local units of government fully fund IMRF. There's a... a city in my district that is behind $14 million in pension payments to firefighters and police officers. You can't continue to do this if you aren't willing to stand up and tell us how you intend to pay for the ever increasing liabilities of pension plans. And this particular Bill would become the liability of property taxpayers in the membership of the United Counties Council of Illinois. I reluctantly rise in opposition. I think it's time we have to be very serious about any desire to further increase our pension debt and our pension liabilities. Reluctantly, I intend to vote 'no'."
"Thank you. Anything further? Anyone else seeking recognition? Nothing further. Representative Smith to close."
"Thank... thank you, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to the previous speaker, let's not confuse this with some of 09400133.doc 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 the other pension issues that have been around for the last year or so. This is simply... First of all, it has to do with IMRF. It is cost neutral to IMRF. The cost would be borne by the organization and by the member and this is an organization that represents some of our counties, some of our county boards, they have voted in favor of this. And it is following previous precedent that we've done for other statewide organizations that represent local governments. So, I'd ask for your 'aye' vote."
"Thank you. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 799 pass?' All those in favor shall vote 'aye'; those opposed shall vote 'nay', when the Clerk calls your name. The voting is now open and the Clerk shall conduct the Roll Call. This requires 71 votes."
"Acevedo."
"(Inaudible)."
"Acevedo votes 'aye'. Beaubien."
"No."
"Beaubien votes 'no'. Beiser."
"Aye."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock. Bellock."
"No."
"Bellock votes 'no'. Berrios."
"(Inaudible)."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Biggins. Biggins."
"(Inaudible)."
"Biggins votes 'no'. Black."
"No."
"Black votes 'no'. Boland." 09400133.doc 56 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"(Inaudible)."
"Boland votes 'aye'. Bost."
"No."
"Bost votes 'no'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Yes."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Brady."
"No."
"Brady votes 'no'. Brauer. Brauer. Brosnahan."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke. Burke. Chapa LaVia."
"(Inaudible)."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Chavez. Chavez."
"(Inaudible)."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Churchill."
"Aye."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins."
"(Inaudible)."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Colvin. Colvin. Coulson."
"No."
"Coulson votes 'no'. Cross. Cross. Cultra."
"(Inaudible)."
"Cultra votes 'no'. Currie."
"Aye."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels."
"No."
"Daniels votes 'no'. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "(Inaudible)."
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado."
"Aye."
"Delgado votes 'aye'. Dugan."
"Aye."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin. Dunkin."
"(Inaudible)."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn."
"No."
"Dunn votes 'no'. Durkin."
"(Inaudible)."
"Durkin votes 'no'. Eddy."
"Pass."
"Eddy passes. Feigenholtz. Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Flider."
"Aye."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Aye."
"Franks votes 'aye'. Fritchey."
"Yes."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich." 09400133.doc 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Froehlich votes 'aye'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Golar. Golar."
"(Inaudible)."
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon."
"Yes."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham. Graham."
"No."
"Graham votes 'no'. Granberg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos. Hamos. Hannig."
"Aye."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert. Hassert."
"No."
"Hassert votes 'no'. Hoffman. Hoffman."
"Aye."
"Hoffman votes 'aye'. Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"No."
"Hultgren votes 'no'. Jakobsson."
"Yes."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies."
"Aye."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 59 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Mahoney: "Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch."
"No."
"Jenisch votes 'no'. Joyce."
"Aye."
"Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly."
"Aye."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel."
"(Inaudible)."
"Kosel votes 'no'. Krause."
"No."
"Krause votes 'no'. Lang."
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch."
"(Inaudible)."
"Leitch votes 'no'. Lindner."
"No."
"Lindner votes 'no'. Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"No."
"Mathias votes 'no'. Mautino." 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May."
"Aye."
"May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe."
"No."
"McAuliffe votes 'no'. McCarthy. McCarthy." McGuire."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon."
"Aye."
"McKeon votes 'aye'. Mendoza."
"Aye."
"Mendoza votes 'aye'. Meyer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Meyer votes 'no'. Miller."
"Aye."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "No."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'no'. Jerry Mitchell. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "Yes."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt."
"Aye."
"Moffitt votes 'aye'. Molaro."
"Aye."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan. Mulligan. Munson."
"No."
"Munson votes 'no'. Mulligan."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mulligan votes 'no'. Myers."
"Yes."
"Myers votes 'yes'. Nekritz."
"Yes."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"No."
"Osmond votes 'no'. Osterman." 09400133.doc 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke."
"No."
"Parke votes 'no'. Phelps."
"Yes."
"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos. Pihos."
"No."
"Pihos votes 'no'. Poe."
"(Inaudible)."
"Poe votes 'no'. Poe votes 'aye'. Pritchard."
"No."
"Pritchard votes 'no'. Ramey."
"No."
"Ramey votes 'no'. Reis."
"No."
"Reis votes 'no'. Reitz. Reitz."
"Aye."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose."
"No."
"Rose votes 'no'. Ryg."
"Aye."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"Nay."
"Sacia votes 'no'. Saviano."
"Aye."
"Saviano votes 'aye'. Schmitz."
"No." 09400133.doc 62 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Schmitz votes 'no'. Schock. Schock. Scully."
"Yes."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"Yes."
"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"No."
"Sommer votes 'no'. Soto."
"Yes."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"No."
"Stephens votes 'no'. Sullivan."
"No."
"Sullivan votes 'no'. Tracy."
"No."
"Tracy votes 'no'. Tryon."
"No."
"Tryon votes 'no'. Turner. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore."
"Aye."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"No."
"Wait votes 'no'. Washington."
"(Inaudible)."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson. Watson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Watson votes 'no'. Winters."
"No."
"Winters votes 'no'. Yarbrough." 09400133.doc 63 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Yes."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge. Younge."
"Aye."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Brauer. Representative Brauer. Burke."
"Aye."
"Burke votes 'aye'. Colvin."
"Yes."
"Colvin votes 'aye'. Cross. Cross. Eddy. Representative Eddy."
"(Inaudible)."
"Votes 'no'. Graham."
"Yes."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"Yes."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. McCarthy."
"(Inaudible)."
"McCarthy votes 'no'. Schock. Representative Schock."
"No."
"Schock votes 'no'."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Any Member who is present but has not yet voted or who wishes to change their vote should so indicate. The Clerk will... Representative Smith."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to put this on Postponed Consideration." 09400133.doc 64 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"If no one else wishes to change their vote, the Clerk... Representative Sacia, you wish to..."
"Please to vote 'aye'."
"Representative Sacia votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, take the record. Senate Bill 799, having received 71 votes, 43 'no' votes, has received a Constitutional Majority... Extraordinary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Senate Bill 1453."
"Senate Bill 1453, a Bill for an Act concerning finance. Third Reading of this Senate Bill."
"Representative Miller."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1453 as amended clarifies the original intent of Local Government Professionals Services Selection Act and makes it consistent with the state Architectural, Engineering and Land Surveying Qualification Based Selection Act which is used by the State of Illinois to hire design professionals for state agencies and public university projects. As a result of a court decision, a legislative remedy is urgently needed to clarify the design professionals how they are hired by local government. Senate Bill 1453 clarifies that. I would ask for a favorable vote."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. On that Motion, are there any questions? Anyone seeking attention on the passage? Representative Winters."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to support this Bill and I am going to speak from a historical context. If we could first know where we are and whether we're tending, we 09400133.doc 65 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 could then better judge what to do and how to do it. We could us that on every Bill that we speak on. Find out where we are, where we're going and then vote accordingly. Now, this Bill deals with architects. It requires that they not be bidding based on dollars that are on their experience in excellence in dealing with public buildings. When we're dealing with funds coming from the public treasury and we're asking to build public buildings, I think we could also take another line from that same speech and use it to inform ourselves and that line is, 'that a house divided against itself cannot stand'. Representative Miller, I want to assure that the architects of this state make sure that our houses and our public buildings do not become divided but that they stand by themselves. And I support your Bill."
"Anything further? Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he will. Proceed, Sir."
"Representative, is it a fair statement to say that the goal of this Bill is to make political subdivisions initiate a decision for only architecture, engineering and land surveying based on the quality of the product rather than price? Are those the only three services that the Bill addresses, architecture, engineering and land surveying?"
"Yes."
"So any other decision made by a local entity such as a lawyer, accountant or other consultants, can be based on the current standard of cost and quality, correct?" 09400133.doc 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Correct. But I would argue, though, that this does not... the legislation does not preclude costs in its... the final selection process. Its final selection."
"Well, it seems to me that this Bill eliminates the option for a local government entity to know the price of a proposal in terms of dollars, hours required, percentage of construction cost or any other measure of compensation because you first must qualify any of the respondents to your RFP based on the qualifications of or their ability to perform the work. With that... is that a fair statement?"
"Well, I think, the issue centers on an incident that happened on a Member of your side of the aisle and an incident that happened on my district where a school building was built and there were major problems after this building had been... was built. Okay. And the Legislator did, ya know, what she did best to try to remedy the problem. Now, I'm not sure if it was an engineering problem or whether it's from that point of view, but when you start just equating cost to the situation then it do... does two things. One is, it's a race to the bottom. So, if... if somebody who is not qualified has the cheapest cost, doesn't mean that they're the best qualified, just means they've got a lower price. The second intention is the fact this can open it up to smaller entities that are qualified. So, if you worked at a major firm each start your own and you had an expertise in any... and... with any particular engineering aspect of it, then you can at least be competitive... competitive on that qualification. That's saying we are both equals in this and he can help negotiate on that price. 09400133.doc 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 If it's just price alone or price initially being discovered, then the majority of the firms, the bigger firms, are gonna underbid and get those... those contracts."
"I appreciate that and that's what I'd like to focus on. If it's based on the qualification of the firm and I think... I know your interests and mine, I think, are similar in this. My concern is that a minority-based enterprise headed by a junior architectural principal at, let's say, the age of 35, left a large company, employed a recent graduate of the University of Illinois School of Engineering and a recent graduate of Purdue University School of Engineering and we'll say one was an African American and one was a Latino female and so now I'm... I'm bidding based on my qualifications. And so when am I... when I'm asked, well, how many schools have you actually designed and built, my answer would have to be in a previous job I designed and helped build three. My current firm has not built any. It would seem to me that trying to get started I may be eliminated before I get a chance to build my resumé."
"But I think when you just base it off of historically in all professional services here in the State of Illinois or any large municipality that many minority- and women- owned business, African-American businesses, are excluded because of price. And so because you've got, let's say and I'm using this only as an example, a Merrill Lynch cannot compete with possibly the top African-American firm because they can undercut the cost and take the loss. So, you've got that kind of situation that occurs. I believe this will help open up the process because, and part of it, what we 09400133.doc 68 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 talked about in committee, was it just wasn't one factor or wasn't saying let's select the minority, let's select someone who just... who's this... a list of factors that somebody can choose from and help determine the qualifications of somebody. So, ya know, this doesn't... but if we just talk about cost initially, you're excluding a lot of women-owned businesses, minority-owned businesses, Latino and African-American businesses."
"And Representative, that's, I think, that is the issue and I'm having trouble understanding that and I agree with you. A Merrill Lynch can undercut almost any relatively new bond or financial firm on cost, we all know that. My fear is that they can also overwhelm a local unit of government with their qualifications. Look at what we've done; look at what we've financed; look at what we have successfully brought to the marketplace. And that start-up company can't begin to match them in either cost or qualifications."
"And I think we're sayin' the same thing. Historically, cost as a... even not got 'em to the qualification aspect of the... of the process. So, historically, if we just looked at price, you're gonna exclude a lot of those firms just based on that. At least, this offers an opportunity to open up the process and makes them at least be competitive in what they wish into the negotiations of the cost factor of it. So, I think we're sayin' the same thing and I understand your concern, but I just think that historically folks have been left out, minority companies, have been left out just based on price alone. That first tier has excluded a lot of folks automatically." 09400133.doc 69 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Who is the final arbiter? If I present my young firm and I'm denied and I think that my qualifications were equal to, even though the firm that got the contract was bigger and had been around for 35 years, do I have any right of appeal? Is there an arbitrator who could get involved and say, we don't think you followed the intent of this law or if I don't get it, I just don't get it?"
"Well, I don't... I don't know if there's a, per se, an arbitrator. Ultimately, the decision making body has to follow procurement rules and I think that's ultimately can help shed sunshine on whether they're doin' the right thing."
"All right."
"I believe it's up to this Body to make sure that I believe that those firms are offered at least the opportunity to participate."
"Okay. Representative, I thank you very much for the... your questions."
"Answers."
"I'm not sure I stand in opposition to this Bill. I think it's much more complicated once I read it, once I looked at the analysis, once I talked to some people, I think it may very well turn out to be as you intend it to be. My only fear is that it may be... it may turn out to be yet another obstacle that start-up firms have in getting business, building their portfolio and establishing a resumé. I hope that isn't the case; I know you hope it's not the case. But when I read it, that question still 09400133.doc 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 sticks with me. But, as always, I thank you for your attention and your answers."
"Thank you."
"Representative Tryon."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Proceed, Sir."
"Thank you. Representative, when you say this doesn't pro... pro... I mean, doesn't prevent a unit of government from considering costs, are you saying that they would select their... their consultant based upon qualifications and then the consultant would submit a cost at a later date? If they didn't like the cost, they thought it was too much, they could reject it?"
"Correct."
"Okay. So... so that essentially puts the unit of government in the... in the driver's seat on what... what... what they want."
"I didn't hear the last part of your question."
"The... the unit of government essentially has... has a choice then to make solely based upon cost that has no ramifications in the Bill if they choose to go with another firm because they think it was too expensive."
"Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there are two things that I think that you... we all wanna make sure that we're building things and make sure their architecaly... architecturally sound and the qualifications are there. Like I mentioned earlier, in my situation and in Representative Osmond's situation, that wasn't the case. Next tier would be cost. And if, let's say, somebody, ya know, is just astronomical 09400133.doc 71 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 in their cost and if there're particular firms that... more than one firm that had issued... responded to any requests, then they can go right down the list. And so, that's part of it, but if... but when you start to consider cost first, historically, it's left a lot of people out of the picture."
"Okay. That... one of my concerns would be, how do you prevent potential appearance of, perhaps, bid-rigging. Ya know, we have... we have people in jail today in the State of Illinois who... who bid out architectural services on big projects who had to pay a price because they were dishonest in that process and selected a higher price contract. Could be the McCormick Place; it could be some other state jobs. How would... how would you assure that the taxpayer is getting the best cost, if we were to adopt this?"
"Well, I think it's also up to the... to the local entities, the local bodies. This is not trying to supersede any community college board, any... any municipality on their final... final selection. This doesn't do that. What it does is say, these firms are qualified first; then it says, now let's look at the price. Now, if they choose a firm that is equally qualified or better qualified and choose... with a higher price, then ultimately that's a decision that they're gonna have to live with and hopefully the sunshine of day allows them to either explain themselves or to undergo tougher scrutiny whether the Attorney General's Office or state's attorney or whatever. This in no mean protecting anybody who's overbidding; this is no mean protecting those who illegally abuse the system. We've introduced legislation to try to prevent fraud and corruption in the 09400133.doc 72 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 State of Illinois and I think this is at least... it does not deal with that aspect of it, but what it does do is deal with the competitive process and opens that process up."
"Okay. Thank you, Representative. I have no more questions."
"Representative Meyer, first."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield? Representative... Representative, I was in committee yesterday and now it's my understanding that the local QBS Act, which the College of DuPage in the court case that brought this legislation about, they argued that they were part of the local QBS Act as opposed to the state QBS Act. Is that correct?"
"If I heard your question correctly, yes."
"So, and because they were... they argued they were part of the local QBS Act or governed under that Act then they did not... then they were able to ask about the fee structure on the front end. Is that correct?"
"That I do not know."
"Well..."
"Can you repeat the question again?"
"Okay. The question again is that since the College of DuPage argued to the courts that they were part of the local QBS Act or subject to it that they, therefore, could ask about the fee structure on the front end. Is that correct? I'm reading an excerpt from the court case."
"Yeah." 09400133.doc 73 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"That is correct. So, the point being is that if they're governed under one Act, they can ask about the fees; if they're governed under the other Act, they cannot."
"Well, I think what this does is help clarify what the court... it helps clarify the court decision."
"Well, the point being is if you're governed under the local QBS Act, you can ask about fees. So, that ability to ask about fees is in the law for certain entities. Why shouldn't everybody be able to ask about fees? It would seem to me, from the testimony I heard in committee yesterday, that this is nothing more than a turf battle. Are you protecting someone's turf?"
"Well, I don't know about if I'm protecting somebody's turf. What I do know, though, is that I believe that it's helped at least open up the process for those who've been ex... have been excluded. I mean, when you sit and consider and I understand your point, but when you consider those that've been not included in any RFP projects just based on or just based on price then you gotta at least say this at least opens up the sense of there's qualifications. It still does not exclude price. They can still look at the cost of any particular project, but at least you wanna consider qualifications first."
"But why can't you, as a governmental consumer, ask about the price on the front end? What do you have a problem with that procedure?"
"Well, I can say, in my district there had been a building built and I know that it's, like I said, a Member on your side of the building was built where 'qualified' 09400133.doc 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 people had built the building and now, all of a sudden, there are major problems with the building. And so, it's not always when you... the cost... I would hate for us to get into a rush to the bottom of this. And so..."
"Well..."
"...in our state fiscal climate, of course cost is important. I don't think we're excluding that. I'm just saying that this legislation just says it's a second tier."
"Well, Representative, of course you're not excluding it, but you include it on the back end of the decision. I'm saying that any prudent body would use that information on both the front end and the back end. Why do you have a problem with them understanding the fee structure if all they have to do with your suggested legislation is determine the quality of the company that they're dealing with and then they can exclude on... on the basis of cost?"
"But I think that..."
"And it seems to me that we... we would be better served as a public body to know everything up-front so we could reach a logical decision as a part of our discussion all the way through the decision making process."
"Yeah, I understand but I disagree with you. I think that at some point qualifications and based on at least what's happened in my backyard has to be considered first. I think that has been... I think that's been maybe an unintentional consequence of excluding companies based on cost alone. There are major firms that can... that smaller firms cannot compete with, minority, women-owned, and 09400133.doc 75 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 nonminority firms, local construction entities that maybe local cannot compete with big... big firms."
"Well, Representative, in that case, in the case that you're referring to, are you suggesting that that governmental body that made the decision on that building could not exclude after anything based... other than based on the cost of the construction?"
"If I heard you correctly, no, it's still once again, if the qualifications that somebody is there first."
"Well, this private business, are they hamstrung by only finding out what the cost of the project is after... that they find out what the quality of the company is?"
"But I think more... and that's a scenario. There may be very few firms; there may be very few firms that have a specialty in any particular range. Whatever, at the end of the day the unity that's making the decision... the entity's that making the decision will have the ultimate choice and it's up to them to decide if they wanna pay a higher fee, lower fee, whatever that fee may be, but I think it only makes sense to try to say qualifications need to be considered first."
"Well, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to the Bill. I've served in local government before; I've served now in State Government. I believe that the more information that you have early on in the decision making benefits you in being able to reach a logical and a just decision for those that you represent. Whether it's a corporate entity, where you represent stockholders or the owners of the company or whether it's a governmental body where you'll represent the 09400133.doc 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 people of the state or whatever municipality or whatever that governmental entity might be, I believe that the more sunshine you can sign... shine on a decision the better off and the better product that you're ultimately going to have. To the way I look at this and there was no logical reason given for why we should pass this legislation in my estimation at least, no logical reason they're given this in committee. I haven't heard anything here on the House Floor that would change my mind and I would encourage those... of you here in the Body to allow all the information that's available... that can be made available to the decision makers to be made available as early in the... in the decision making process as possible. Thank you."
"Representative Cultra, then Representative Jenisch, and then to Representative Molaro."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Proceed, Sir."
"I'm a little confused here. Are we talking about when you can't consider price and only qualifications, are you talking about the fee schedule that the architect charges or the price of the total building?"
"I'm sorry. Repeat the... I heard the first part of it, but I didn't hear the second part."
"In reference to cost and price, are you talkin' about the fee schedule that the architect charges that cannot be the determining factor or is it the price of the building? I gather..."
"I'm... I'm not talking about a fee schedule, if that answers... if I heard that correctly. My thinking of a fee 09400133.doc 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 schedule is a set fee and here is the fee gonna... here's what it's gonna be. Is that what you're saying?"
"Yes. Is that what you can't do in choosing your architect?"
"No. What... no..."
"You can't... you can't what is the fee schedule you're gonna charge me?"
"No. That's the... that's the... that is not what this does. It does not have a prearranged set fee of saying what the architect can charge. That's what..."
"No. What I... I understand it; it's not prearranged. What I'm saying is you can't use that as a determining factor on choosing your architect."
"No. The qualifica... Yes. The qualifications... Yeah."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, if we could just lower the level a little bit. They're having..."
"Okay. Yeah, yeah. Just professional services."
"...having difficulty hearing."
"And yes, if that answered the question."
"Yeah. The question is I'm trying to figure out... you're talking about price all the time. You can't use price in determining the firm, you have to use qualifications. What I wanna know is can you... did use fee schedules charged by the architect in determining who it's gonna be or I can find out what the architect's gonna... what percentage they're gonna charge before you decide who you wanna give this design to."
"Well, I don't, if I'm hearing it correctly, I don't... my understanding of the fee schedule is a set... is a set..." 09400133.doc 78 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Excuse me, Representative Miller. Ladies and Gentlemen, if we could just lower the volume a little bit. The Members are having difficulty hearing the debate. Thank you."
"It's totally clear I'm hearing the same thing. What I... my understanding of a fee schedule is for 'x' project this is what the... the school or whatever is gonna charge for their engineering services."
"Correct."
"I don't... No, this... that is not included in this. That doesn't say that."
"So, it... what this Bill doesn't say is you have to determine the qualifications of the architect instead of the fee schedule that you're gonna pay him? You're gonna turn... determine the quality of the architect and without looking at the fee schedule or can you use the fee schedule along with the quality of the architect?"
"You... you... right. Okay. Now, you determine the quality... First selection would be the quality of the architect. Okay. Determination of the quality of the architect first and then you can look at cost associated whatever... Me and you could have an architectural firm and you could charge a dollar, I could charge two. For whatever... however they wanna balance that off, whatever how they wanna... they and they... that's ultimately their decision."
"So, the fee schedule of the architect is gonna be... is gonna charge cannot be used in determining the firm that you're gonna pick?" 09400133.doc 79 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Ulta... No. Let's say... let's say you have two firms that are qualified. Let's say... let's say after the first tier you just... you found that me and you are both qualified. Ya know, then the second tier of selection would be cost. And so, depending on what the cost..."
"You're talking about fee schedule not... not cost of the building or cost of the architect?"
"Co... cost of the architect..."
"All right."
"...if that ans..." Cultra: A fee schedule."
"Yes, yes, yes, yes. "
"All right. Thank you. "
"It took me a minute. It took me a minute, but I got there."
"Representative Jenisch." Jenisch: a "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong opposition to this Bill and I request my fellow Members to vote 'no' on it. As chairman of the public works in DuPage County for 6 years, we fought many times with firms, we fought many times wrestling with bids, wrestling with requests for proposals. This is request for proposal. That's what you do in Illinois. And based upon that there are many different factors that go into deciding and choosing a firm. By this change, you take all those factors out and you put one factor in. And many people in this state have gone to jail for it. Who's your buddy? Who's given you the best campaign contribution? Those are the factors that are gonna be considered. It's not gonna be considered based on an 09400133.doc 80 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 array of factors, it's based on one factor. Best qualified meaning: who are you most comfortable with, who are your friends. This will open up the state for people to commit unethical... for people to create fraud. Yes, there are changes that need to be made to the request for proposal law that we have in the state to make it better, but if you vote for this today you throw out all those safeguards that the Illinois taxpayers have to make sure that their local government, their county government, gives fair chances to the local business person, gives fair chances to minority firms, gives fair chances to new firms. So, I would just urge a 'no' vote on this Bill. Thank you."
"Representative Molaro. Representative Molaro."
"How come it takes so long to get a microphone here, Mr. Speaker. Here, I gotta ask somebody 'cause I don't understand it. Maybe we're all lookin' at the wrong Bill; we don't have enough computers. I think what it says and someone's gotta tell me if I'm wrong here. First of all, the State of Illinois does this. What this Bill does for the locals the State of Illinois has been doing for the last 40 or 50 years. Here's all it says from the way I read it, then you can ask the Sponsor. Here's all it says. You can have structural engineers, architects, building schools. You get this letter of intent. It may come out and say, we wanna build your school; we wanna go out there and build your parking lot, whatever it may be. And all we're saying is that the local municipality, whatever it is, you look at their qualifications of the 50 firms and you say you 40 are 09400133.doc 81 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 qualified. That's all we're saying. Look at the qualifications to make sure they're qualified. Now, once you find out the 40 firms are qualified then you as a local could say we're gonna take the lowest bidder of those 40. Now, a price could become everything. You can still take the lowest bidder; you can still make price you're number one priority, but ya gotta find that they're qualified first. You can't go out there and say, on your 50 firms that go out there, we wanna bid on it and oh, by the way, Molaro and Biggins, you're too price, but we'll pay 32 cents. Why does price come up first? That's ridiculous. If they're gonna build some of our schools or build our bridges, we wanna make sure they're qualified. And believe me, it's all the same 40 engineers, the same 40 architects that are gonna come out, they're gonna show their qualifications. Let's find that they're qualified first. If you put price out there, then we're boxed. You want price to be the... be the thing when they're building something or they're designing something. Get 'em qualified, cut 'em down to the 40 most qualified and then price will always be paramount amongst the most qualified. And all this does it brings us to where the 46 other states are that does it this way. This just makes a world of sense and I urge an 'aye' vote."
"Representative Mathias. I believe you're the last one."
"Thank you. And I'm... I'm trying to read the text of the Bill, the Amendment. And now, what I see and maybe I'm reading this wrong but it says at the very last paragraph, 09400133.doc 82 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 in no case shall a political subdivision prior to selecting a firm for negotiation... before you negotiate the price... but you're selecting a firm, can you ask for estimate of costs or fees? So, to my... I'm thinking is according to the language you're picking a firm and then once you pick that firm now you can negotiate the price and if you don't like the price, then you've gotta start all over again in the... in the whole process of trying to pick a firm. Am I reading this incorrectly?
"We're gonna get the text. One second. Yes. That's a good point, Representative Mathias, but the point... but the issue is if you read it going back to Section 7, in part of that, it's saying... it's saying that you can't... you can still... you can still qualify 50 firms prior to... you can't make... you can't select one of those firms prior to that. That... that's the big issue here."
"Right."
"Okay."
"So, you can select 50 firms, but..."
"That are qualified."
"...you qualify now..."
"Now, you can sit and talk about..."
"...in order to pick a firm you'll still..."
"...versus... versus saying firm one is the cheapest firm out there, we're gonna go with that before determining the qualification."
"But you can't do that under this Bill."
"Say..." 09400133.doc 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Under this Bill, you can't get a firm and ask a price until you've picked the firm. In other words..."
"No, no, no, no, no. You can see... you can pick 50 firms... you can still pick 50 firms. Okay. It's not... there is no exclusion of one firm in this legislation. None. And you're saying what... but what's happened in the past is this is a firm that's qualified and this is a firm that's got the lowest price. So, in essence, you've eliminate... eliminated other firms..."
"But..."
"...that are qualified."
"...if... that doesn't make sense. You can do that... you can pick 50 firms under existing law and I under... I know if you have the price, let's say, and you decide, okay, under those 50 firms you would have the price, under existing law. It doesn't make sense then unless your goal is let's pick a firm before we find out their price so we can get, let's say, a minority firm to take the job. Otherwise, if you can negotiate with all 50, then you're gonna get the price of the firm that's cheapest anyway. It doesn't have to be necessarily of... a minority firm."
"Well, what's happen... what's happened in the past that when folks... when entity... when entities have chosen based on price alone at fir... it has been exclusionary. That's the problem. And so... and so I understand about you always have to consider cost and I think that's what some of the confusion is. This does not preclude a selection of different firms and then you can sit and negotiate. But 09400133.doc 84 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 what's happened is initially they've been excluded just because they can't match the price of a bigger firm."
"Yeah. I... But we are only talking about the price of the architect not the building. Is that correct?"
"Excuse me. Say that again."
"We're only talking about the price of the professional services..."
"Correct, correct."
"...not the price of the construction."
"Correct. Right. And..."
"But again, I'm just reading it from what it says here and here it's in the language of the Bill. It says before you pick a firm you can't ask 'em their price. So, to me and we may be differing on our language, but to me it means you gotta pick a firm and then you can negotiate the price and if you don't like the price, of course, yeah, you can eliminate that firm but then you gotta start the process all over which is gonna lead to a lot of delay in the process and actually could be counter... My understanding is once you eliminate one firm and that's the only firm you know about their price, now you go and say, okay, we're gonna start the process over again. We're gonna take the second firm. That second firm could have a higher price but you've already eliminated the first firm. So, it actually it could cost you more money to do this."
"No. I would argue you've selected a pool of qualified vendors, let's say."
"Well, then, let me ask you this."
"Okay. Let's say architectural firms. You can take..." 09400133.doc 85 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative..."
"...you've got a pool there versus..."
"Let me ask you this, Representative. Would you be willing to at least take this out of the record until we can qualify whether this applies to 50 firms or only applies to one firm?"
"No. I think I've been... I'm not gonna take it out of the record. I think the legislative... I can argue the legislative intent is to have a pool of firms that are selected, not... not... not the scenario that you're talking about which is based on one firm. The goal and intent is to open up the process; it's not to exclude it, that's been historically excluded. And so... so to say that these firms... the first tier is saying we are gonna select from these qualified firms. I think everybody's on the page with that. And then their local body can still negotiate price on that. We are still determine on factors dealing with price. And so this is not unusual; this is not, as Representative Molaro has said, this is done in 46 states already. And so, this, ya know, so I think this is just... is good legislation."
"And to the Bill."
"Proceed, Sir."
"Ya know, I... unfortunately, we differ on the language of the Bill and you're not willing to delay it so I'm just gon... I have to urge my college... colleagues to do a 'present' vote until we can find out what the real language of this Bill really means and what the effect of it is. And I would support your concept of the Bill, but I believe my concept, 09400133.doc 86 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 of course, is correct and until I can be assured of that, I'm gonna vote 'present'."
"Representative Eddy and then Representative Franks, the last two speakers. Representative."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I... Will the Sponsor yield for a couple questions?"
"Proceed."
"Representative, if I could... Representative, if I could just... I wanted to give you time to finish your conversation. Let's... let's walk through a very simple process here. If I'm going to bid for services of an architect for a school district, is your intent that I receive... I receive interested bids from architectural firms, without any indication of fee or cost, qualify those firms and then seek a second time a fee or cost bid so that the first time I only look at qualifications?"
"No, I wouldn't say that. I think what... I think the issue is is that qualifications would be in the first tier, once again. And so as far as that, I mean, I don't know if... if it would be a closed bid or whatever that price is gonna be. But at the end of the day what's happened is that you've got firm 'x' saying... saying qualifications then price. And when you look at the price... Well, let's just go with this firm."
"Well, in practical terms. If I'm... if I'm looking for an architect for a school district, and I... I put a advertisement for bid out and I'm looking for a firm to do architectural work and I'm looking for qualifications and 09400133.doc 87 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 then the architectural firm also sends along their fee schedule... The question I have in the language of the Bill relates to this line, 'in no case shall a political subdivision, prior to selecting a firm for negotiation, seek formal or informal submission or verbal or written estimates of costs or proposals in terms of dollars.' And I think that is the question is whether or not we're... the language is clear enough to separate those things because I think the way you're explaining it no one has a problem with it or those that do are confused by the fact that we've got both of those issues in the language. I think I know what you're trying to do. You're saying qualifications first; then, after qualifications are made, you can use price or fee schedules to determine who you select or you can reject all bidders if you want to. Is that correct?"
"Hello. Let me get to the point of qual... reviewing qualifications. What qualifications would be considered are: prior performance, appropriate disciplines on staff, quality of subcontractors, consultants' ability to meet work schedule, proximity of site and of course the cost is a factor because it's a factor in the negotiating stage when a client determines that when they receiving a fair and reasonable fee. If the client is not satisfied, then they move to the next firm."
"And I... and I appreciate that. I just wanna make sure this language is... because I understand yesterday in committee one of the witnesses mentioned the fact that you could not consider price before you consider qualifications or the assumption was there was no place in this for cost 09400133.doc 88 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 before you chose someone. You have to choose first and then ask about the cost. But you're saying that's not what you're trying to do."
"You have to choose from a pool of qualified individuals or firms rather than a race to the bottom cost."
"Okay. So, let me ask you this. If I... if I bid for services and I receive three architectural bids, 'cause that could happen in a rural area of the state. I... I have to look at their qualifications first and I... I then, if all three are qualified, I can then ask for price and then make my determination based on price."
"Correct."
"Our concern is that may not be what the specific language of the Bill states, but that's what you're saying the intent of the Bill is... okay. Now, what if I only get one bid? What if I only get one bidder and they qualify? Can I reject that bid based on price?"
"Well, that would be up to the locals."
"Okay."
"I mean, that would be up to the entity that to decide on whether they wanna use that."
"So, the answer is 'yes'..."
"I mean, as you know, there's a lot of specialty work and whatever. You're not gonna get and some... repainting a bathroom you're gonna get a lot of firms, but doing some high technical wiring of some sort, you're not gonna get that many. And so, ultimately, ya know, the decision making process is there and if there's only one bid, than sobeit." 09400133.doc 89 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"So, the answer is 'yes', I could reject that bid once I find out the price even if they're qualified."
"Yes."
"Okay. I really... I think your intention is correct here. I don't see a problem with the intention. I see a lot of confusion over that part of the language and I think there would be a lot of support for the Bill if the language were clarified to state what you're saying and take the... any ambiguity out of it. I understand your intent though and that is qualified first, then price and then price can be that consideration even if there's only one and you can reject all bids."
"Correct."
"Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I would urge... I would urge you to reconsider the idea of making sure this language is what you want and I don't think you'd have many problems or objections to it if that language were fixed to reflect what you're saying. Thank you."
"Thank you. No one further seeking recognition. Representative Miller to close."
"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Speaker. Just a couple of salient points. I talked about opening up the process. This is done in 48 states... 46 states, excuse me, and it provides clarification to a court decision. I understand some of the concerns of Members on the other side of the aisle and I believe they're speaking with their heart, but I do believe the intent of this is we all want qualified firms to do the work of the people and I think when we start looking at prices the top consideration we 09400133.doc 90 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 get, as the old adage said, we get what we pay for. I would ask for a favorable vote."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of Senate Bill 1453. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1453 pass?' All those in favor shall vote 'aye' and those opposed shall vote 'nay', when the Clerk calls your name. The voting is now open and the Clerk will conduct the Roll Call."
"Acevedo. Acevedo. Beaubien. Beaubien."
"No."
"Beaubien votes 'no'. Beiser. Beiser."
"Aye."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock."
"No."
"Bellock votes 'no'. Berrios."
"Aye."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Biggins."
"Aye."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"No."
"Black votes 'no'. Boland."
"Aye."
"Boland votes 'aye'. Bost."
"No."
"Bost votes 'no'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Aye."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Brady."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Brady votes 'aye'. Brauer."
"Yes."
"Brauer votes 'aye'. Brosnahan."
"Aye."
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke. Burke. Chapa LaVia. Chapa LaVia."
"(Inaudible)."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'no'. Chavez. Chavez."
"(Inaudible)."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Churchill. Chavez passes. Churchill."
"(Inaudible)."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins. Collins. Colvin."
"Yes."
"Colvin votes 'aye'. Coulson. Coulson."
"Yes."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross."
"Yes."
"Cross votes 'aye'. Cultra."
"No."
"Cultra votes 'no'. Currie."
"(Inaudible)."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Yes."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels."
"(Inaudible)."
"Daniels votes 'aye'. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 92 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis. Will Davis. Delgado."
"Aye."
"Delgado votes 'aye'. Dugan."
"Aye."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin."
"Yes."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn. Dunn."
"(Inaudible)."
"Dunn votes 'aye'. Durkin."
"Aye."
"Durkin votes 'aye'. Eddy."
"Aye."
"Eddy votes 'aye'. Feigenholtz. Feigenholtz. Flider."
"Aye."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Pass."
"Franks passes. Fritchey."
"Yes."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich."
"No."
"Froehlich votes 'no'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Golar. Golar."
"Yes."
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon." 09400133.doc 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Yes."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham."
"Aye."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"Yes."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig."
"Aye."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert."
"Aye."
"Hassert votes 'aye'. Hoffman."
"Aye."
"Hoffman votes 'aye'. Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"Aye."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"No."
"Hultgren votes 'no'. Jakobsson."
"Aye."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch."
"No."
"Jenisch votes 'no'. Joyce."
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TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Mahoney: "Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly."
"Aye."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel."
"No."
"Kosel votes 'no'. Krause."
"No."
"Krause votes 'no'. Lang." 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch. Leitch."
"(Inaudible)."
"Leitch votes 'no'. Lindner."
"(Inaudible)."
"Lindner votes 'present'. Joe Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"Present."
"Mathias votes 'present'. Mautino. Mautino."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mautino 'yes'... 'aye'. May. May."
"Aye."
"May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe."
"Aye."
"McAuliffe votes 'aye'. McCarthy. McCarthy."
"(Inaudible)."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire."
"Aye."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon. McKeon."
"Present."
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"Aye."
"Mendoza votes 'aye'. Meyer. Meyer."
"No."
"Meyer votes 'no'. Meyer... Miller."
"Aye."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'no'. Moffitt."
"(Inaudible)."
"Moffitt votes 'present'. Molaro."
"(Inaudible)."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mola... Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"Aye."
"Munson votes 'aye'. Myers."
"(Inaudible)."
"Myers votes 'aye'. Nekritz."
"Yes."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"(Inaudible)."
"Osmond votes 'aye'. Osterman. Osterman."
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke."
"No."
"Parke votes 'no'. Phelps."
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"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos."
"No."
"Pihos votes 'no'. Poe."
"Aye."
"Poe votes 'aye'. Pritchard. Pritchard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Pritchard votes 'no'. Ramey. Ramey."
"(Inaudible)."
"Ramey votes 'no'. Reis."
"Yes."
"Reis votes 'aye'. Reitz."
"(Inaudible)."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rita votes 'no'. Rita votes 'aye'. Rose."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg. Ryg."
"Aye."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"Present."
"Sacia votes 'present'. Saviano."
"Aye."
"Saviano votes 'aye'. Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Schmitz votes 'aye'. Schock."
"Aye."
"Schock votes 'aye'. Scully."
"No."
"Scully votes 'no'. Smith. Smith." 09400133.doc 97 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
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"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"No."
"Sommer votes 'no'. Soto. Soto."
"Yes."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"No."
"Stephens votes 'no'. Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Sullivan votes 'aye'. Tracy."
"Yes."
"Tracy votes 'aye'. Tryon."
"Present."
"Tryon votes 'present'. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore."
"Aye."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"Yes."
"Wait votes 'aye'. Washington."
"Yes."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Watson votes... Watson votes 'no'. Winters."
"(Inaudible)."
"Winters votes 'aye'. Yarbrough."
"Yes."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 98 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"Yes."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Acevedo."
"(Inaudible)."
"Acevedo votes 'aye'. Burke."
"Aye."
"Representative Burke votes 'aye'. Chavez."
"Aye."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Collins. Representative Collins."
"Yes. Aye."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Representative Franks. Franks."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Franks votes 'no'. Feigenholtz. Representative Feigenholtz."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Any Member who is present but has not yet voted or wishes to change their vote should so indicate. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 86 voting in the affirmative, 23 'nay', 3... and 6 voting 'present'. And Senate Bill 1453, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Supermajority. Senate Bill 2340, Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Bill 2340, a Bill for an Act concerning elections. Third Reading of this Senate Bill." 09400133.doc 99 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Representative Smith. Representative Smith on Senate Bill 2340."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is an issue that comes to us from the City of Peoria and is a kind of an emergency situation. The City of Peoria is the only municipality in the state that has... allows for cumulative voting in their city council elections. And this was set up in 1987 under a consent decree with the federal courts coming out of a voting rights suit. They have five members who are elected by district and five members who are elected at large. And voters can cast cumulative votes for the at large members. The City of Peoria now has a problem with the new election regulations and the requirements that all ballots be counted in precinct. The technology they have will not allow them to count cumulative votes in precinct and so they're asking for an exemption from the law for the coming municipal election only, SO that they can count those cumulative ballot... cumulative votes at the election commission where they have done in the past and then this will give them time before the next municipal election to work with their vendor to correct this situation. I know of no opposition. It is a... simply a measure that will help the City of Peoria get through the coming municipal election. The provisions will sunset in December 31 of 2007. Be happy to answer any questions."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. On that question, no one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 2340 pass?' All those in favor shall vote 'aye'; those opposed shall vote 'nay', when 09400133.doc 100 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 the Clerk calls your name. The voting is now open. And the Clerk shall conduct the Roll Call. This requires 71 votes."
"Acevedo. Acevedo. Beaubien. Beaubien."
"Yes."
"Beaubien votes 'aye'. Beiser."
"Yes."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock."
"Aye."
"Bellock votes 'aye'. Berrios."
"(Inaudible)."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Biggins."
"Yes."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"Aye."
"Black votes 'aye'. Boland."
"Aye."
"Boland votes 'aye'. Bost."
"(Inaudible)."
"Bost votes 'aye'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Aye."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Brady."
"Yes."
"Brady votes 'aye'. Brauer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brauer votes 'aye'. Brosnahan."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke." 09400133.doc 101 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Burke votes 'aye'. Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Chavez."
"Aye."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Churchill."
"Aye."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins. Collins."
"Yes."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Colvin. Colvin. Coulson."
"Aye."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross."
"Yes."
"Cross votes 'aye'. Cultra."
"Yes."
"Cultra votes 'aye'. Currie. Currie."
"Aye."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Aye."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels."
"Aye."
"Daniels votes 'aye'. Monique Davis. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "(Inaudible)."
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 102 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Mahoney: "Delgado votes 'aye'. Dugan."
"Aye."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin." 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn. Durkin. Ed... Representative Eddy. Eddy."
"(Inaudible)." Dunn.
Durkin. Clerk Mahoney: "Eddy votes 'aye'. Feigenholtz. Feigenholtz. Flider. Flider."
"Aye."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"(Inaudible)."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Aye."
"Franks votes 'aye'. Fritchey."
"Yes."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich."
"Aye."
"Froehlich votes 'aye'. Giles. Giles. Golar."
"(Inaudible)."
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon."
"Yes."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham. Graham."
"Yes."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"Aye."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"Yes."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig." 09400133.doc 103 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert."
"Aye."
"Hassert votes 'aye'. Hoffman. Hoffman." Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"Aye."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"Aye."
"Hultgren votes 'aye'. Jakobsson."
"Aye."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies. Jefferies."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch."
"Aye."
"Jenisch votes 'aye'. Joyce."
"Aye."
"Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly."
"Aye."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel."
"Aye."
"Kosel votes 'aye'. Krause."
"Yes."
"Krause votes 'aye'. Lang."
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch. Leitch." 09400133.doc 104 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Leitch votes 'aye'. Lindner. Lindner."
"Yes."
"Lindner votes 'aye'. Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"Aye."
"Mathias votes 'aye'. Mautino."
"Aye."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May."
"Aye."
"May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe. McAuliffe." McCarthy."
"Yes."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire."
"Aye."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon."
"Aye."
"McKeon votes 'aye'. Mendoza."
"Aye."
"Mendoza votes 'aye'. Meyer."
"Aye."
"Meyer votes 'aye'. Miller."
"Aye."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "Aye." 09400133.doc 105 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt."
"Aye."
"Moffitt votes 'aye'. Molaro."
"Aye."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"Aye."
"Munson votes 'aye'. Myers. Myers. Nekritz."
"Yes."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"Yes."
"Osmond votes 'aye'. Osterman."
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke. Parke. Phelps."
"Yes."
"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos."
"Yes."
"Pihos votes 'aye'. Poe. Poe."
"Yes."
"Poe votes 'aye'. Pritchard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Pritchard votes 'aye'. Ramey."
"Aye."
"Ramey votes 'aye'. Reis."
"Yes."
"Reis votes 'aye'. Reitz."
"Aye."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita." 09400133.doc 106 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose."
"Yes."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg."
"Aye."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"Aye."
"Sacia votes 'aye'. Saviano."
"Yes."
"Saviano votes 'aye'. Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Schmitz votes 'aye'. Schock."
"Aye."
"Schock votes 'aye'. Scully."
"Yes."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"Yes."
"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Sommer votes 'aye'. Soto."
"Aye."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"Aye."
"Stephens votes 'aye'. Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Sullivan votes 'aye'. Tracy."
"Yes."
"Tracy votes 'aye'. Tryon."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 107 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Tryon votes 'aye'. Turner. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore."
"Aye."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"Aye."
"Wait votes 'aye'. Washington."
"Yes."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson."
"Aye."
"Watson votes 'aye'. Winters."
"Yes."
"Winters votes 'aye'. Yarbrough. Yarbrough."
"Aye."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"Yes."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker."
"Yes."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Acevedo."
"(Inaudible)."
"Acevedo votes 'aye'. Colvin. Representative Colvin. Representative Dunn. Representative Durkin. Feigenholtz."
"Aye." Dunn.
Durkin. Clerk Mahoney: "Representative Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Representative Hoffman. Hoffman. McAuliffe. Representative McAuliffe." 09400133.doc 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"McAuliffe votes 'aye'. Myers."
"Aye."
"Myers votes 'aye'. Parke. Representative Parke."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Any Member who is present but has not yet voted or wishes to change their vote should... should so indicate. The Clerk shall take the record. On this matter, there are 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This mat... this Bill, Senate Bill 2340, having received a Supermajority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, House Bills-Third Reading, House Bill 4344."
"House Bill 4344, a Bill for an Act concerning transportation. Third Reading of this House Bill."
"Representative Ryg."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4344 creates the Midwest Interstate Passenger Rail Compact Act. The main purpose of the Compact is to promote, coordinate and support regional improvements to passenger rail service. Most importantly, this legislation would add Illinois's voice to the seven other Midwest states in advocating for federal dollars for passenger rail. This is especially critical as Illinois just doubled their investment to $24 million for expanded AMTRAK service. The Act provides for four resident members from each state to serve on the Midwest Interstate Passenger Rail Commission including an appointee by the Governor, the Speaker and the Senate President and a member of the private sector. Annual 09400133.doc 109 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 dues are $15 thousand, expected to go down as additional states join the Commission. I am not aware of any opposition and IDOT supports membership in the Compact and Commission."
"The Lady moves..."
"I'd like to give special thanks to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle for their leadership on this issue over the past years. And ask that you support the measure. Thanks."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 4344. On that question, anyone seeking recognition. Indicating none... The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4... Kathy, you wanna close."
"May I make a request that this be passed on Attendance Roll Call?"
"Mr... I'm sorry. Mr. Black."
"Question."
"Sure, certainly."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My apologies for my delay. Will the Sponsor yield? Representative, I'm still in support of the Bill, worked on something very similar 15, 16, 18 years ago with my late Senator Harry 'Babe' Woodyard, trying to get rail service from Chicago to Orlando which would serve the eastern part of the state. But I just noticed something in our analysis. There are no Republican appointments to this Compact. There are Republican cosponsors. Why... why are there... why does no Republican have an appointment to be made to the Compact? I know we become irrelevant but I didn't think we were that irrelevant." 09400133.doc 110 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"The... the Compact language has to be consistent across all the states, SO that language was developed and the Compact became effective when the first three states joined in 2000. So, we have no opportunity to modify the Compact language."
"So, of all the states in the Compact, there will be no Republican appointments?"
"No. The appointments would be by the Governor of each state, the Senate President, the Speaker and a member of the private sector. That's consistent throughout all the states. We... we couldn't alter the Compact language state by state by virtue of the Compact."
"All right. Are any of the states in the Compact have a Republican Governor or a Republican Speaker?"
"I don't know for sure, but I believe there's Republican representation on the Commission."
"Well, I would hope so. I mean, I..."
"Oh, thank you. I've... it's just been clarified to that it's... there's no requirement that the appointments be of the same Party as the appointing Party."
"Well, given the history of the last 4 years, I mean, that doesn't exactly make me sleep more comfortably tonight. I... I doubt that our Governor would appoint a Republican to anything. I mean, he talks a good game, but I haven't seen the results."
"I... I certainly encourage that you lobby for that..."
"Well, I..."
"...if you have the interest, Representative, given your..."
"I've been lob... I've been lobbying for things for 4 years. I was supposed to have an appointment 4 years ago; 09400133.doc 111 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 I'm still waiting, but... All right. I... I think it's something that is past due. I'm sure you'll see to it that the representation will be as fair as possible. But we have piddled and fiddled far too long. We spend billions on freeways that are obsolete the day they open, billions on airports that can't handle the traffic they already have. It's long overdue that we try to develop a rail system and I think the usage... you've seen in the last year... the usage on existing routes are up considerably and I wish you success. I do hope that when you give us the list of people who are serving on the Compact at least one of them might be a Republican. I... I would just feel so much better if at least one could be a Republican."
"Thank you."
"Even if you change your affiliation just for the lifetime of the Compact and we'd welcome that. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Stephens for a quick comment."
"Well, I'd like to admonish my colleague and my new seatmate, Bill Black. Representative Black was out of line. There is no way that characterized the Governor as not wanting to appoint Republicans. Any Republican who made a donation to his campaign will be equally considered I'm sure."
"That's what I..."
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4344 pass?' All those in favor shall vote 'aye' and those opposed shall vote 'nay', when the Clerk calls your name. Representative Ryg, we cannot do that by Attendance Roll 09400133.doc 112 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 Call. The voting is now open. The Clerk will conduct the Roll Call."
"Acevedo. Acevedo."
"Aye."
"Acevedo votes 'aye'. Beaubien."
"Aye."
"Beaubien votes 'aye'. Beiser."
"Aye."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock."
"Aye."
"Bellock votes 'aye'. Berrios. Berrios. Biggins. Biggins. Biggins..."
"(Inaudible)."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"Aye."
"Black votes 'aye'. Boland."
"Aye."
"Boland votes 'aye'. Bost."
"Aye."
"Bost votes 'aye'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Aye."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley. Rich Bradley. Brady."
"Aye."
"Brady votes 'aye'. Brauer."
"Yes."
"Brauer votes 'aye'. Brosnahan."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 113 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke. Burke. Chapa LaVia. Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Chavez."
"Aye."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Churchill."
"Aye."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins."
"Aye."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Colvin."
"Yes."
"Colvin votes 'aye'. Coulson."
"Aye."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross."
"Aye."
"Cross votes 'aye'. Cultra."
"Yes."
"Cultra votes 'aye'. Currie. Currie."
"(Inaudible)."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Aye."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels."
"Aye."
"Daniels votes 'aye'. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Aye."
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye." 09400133.doc 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado. Delgado. Dugan."
"Yes."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin."
"Aye."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn."
"Aye."
"Dunn votes 'aye'. Durkin."
"Aye."
"Durkin votes 'aye'. Eddy."
"Aye."
"Eddy votes 'aye'. Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Flider. Flider."
"Aye."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Aye."
"Franks votes 'aye'. Fritchey."
"Yes."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich."
"Aye."
"Froehlich votes 'aye'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Golar."
"Aye."
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 115 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham."
"Aye."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"Yes."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig."
"Aye."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert. Hassert. Hoffman. Hoffman. Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"Aye."
"Hultgren votes 'aye'. Jakobsson."
"Aye."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies."
"Aye."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch."
"Aye."
"Jenisch votes 'aye'. Joyce. Joyce."
"Aye."
"Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly."
"Aye."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel. Kosel. Krause."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 116 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Krause votes 'aye'. Lang."
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch."
"Aye."
"Leitch votes 'aye'. Lindner."
"Aye."
"Lindner votes 'aye'. Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"Aye."
"Mathias votes 'aye'. Mautino. Mautino."
"Yes."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May."
"Aye."
"May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe."
"Aye."
"McAuliffe votes 'aye'. McCarthy."
"Yes."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire."
"(Inaudible)."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon. McKeon." Mendoza."
"Aye."
"Mendoza votes 'aye'. Meyer. Meyer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Meyer votes 'aye'. Miller. Miller."
"Yes."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye." 09400133.doc 117 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "Aye."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt. Moffitt. Molaro."
"Aye."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"Aye."
"Munson votes 'aye'. Myers."
"Aye."
"Myers votes 'aye'. Nekritz."
"(Inaudible)."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"(Inaudible)."
"Osmond votes 'aye'. Osterman."
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke. Parke."
"(Inaudible)."
"Parke votes 'aye'. Phelps."
"(Inaudible)."
"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos."
"(Inaudible)."
"Pihos votes 'aye'. Poe. Poe."
"(Inaudible)."
"Poe votes 'aye'. Pritchard."
"Aye."
"Pritchard votes 'aye'. Ramey."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 118 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Ramey votes 'aye'. Reis."
"Yes."
"Reis votes 'aye'. Reitz."
"Aye."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose. Rose. Ryg."
"Yes."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg."
"Aye."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia. Sacia. Saviano."
"Aye."
"Saviano votes 'aye'. Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Schmitz votes 'aye'. Schock. Schock."
"(Inaudible)."
"Schock votes 'aye'. Scully."
"Yes."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"Aye."
"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"Aye."
"Sommer votes 'aye'. Soto."
"Aye."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"Aye."
"Stephens votes 'aye'. Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Tracy." 09400133.doc 119 133rd Legislative Day
"Yes."
"Aye." STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE "Tracy votes 'aye'. Tryon." 11/15/2006
"Tryon votes 'aye'. Turner. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore."
"Yes."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"Aye."
"Wait votes 'aye'. Washington."
"Yes."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson."
"Aye."
"Watson votes 'aye'. Winters."
"Yes."
"Winters votes 'aye'. Yarbrough. Yarbrough."
"Aye."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"Aye."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"Yes."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Berrios. Representative Berrios."
"(Inaudible)."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley. Richard Bradley. Burke. Representative Delgado." Representative Burke.
Delgado. Delgado: "Aye." 09400133.doc 120 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Delgado votes 'aye'. Hassert. Representative Hassert."
"Aye."
"Hassert votes 'aye'. Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Kosel. Representative Kosel."
"Aye."
"Kosel votes 'aye'. McKeon. Representative McKeon. Moffitt."
"Yes."
"Representative Moffitt votes 'aye'. Sacia. Representative Sacia."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. House Bill 4344, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, for a Rules Report."
"Rules Report. Representative Barbara Flynn Currie, Chairperson from the Committee on Rules, to which the following legislative measures and/or Joint Action Motion were referred, action taken on November 15, 2006, reported the same back with the following recommendation/s: 'approved for floor consideration' recommends be adopted is Amendment #2 to House Bill 5834."
"Mr. Clerk, House Bills-Second Reading, House Bill 5834. Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. The underlying Bill says that if we... the state decides not ever to use Madden Mental Health Facility for that purpose and wants to sell it, the Loyola University Medical Center will 09400133.doc 121 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 have the right of first refusal. This Amendment clarifies that there is no present intent to sell the Madden Facility. It's a technical Amendment and has already been discussed in committee. And I'd appreciate your support."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 5834. Is there any question? Seeing none, all in favor of Floor Amendment #2 say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."
"No further Amendments. No Motions filed."
"Third Reading."
"House Bill 5834, a Bill for an Act concerning property. Third Reading of this House Bill."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I already described the Bill. It just says that should it ever happen that the State Department of Human Services no longer has a need to operate the Madden Mental Health Facility, Loyola University Medical School, for fair market value, will have the right of first refusal. This is a health center. The whole area is all about providing health care. The Federal Government gave this land to the state from the Hines Veterans Facility and gave the other land to Loyola. I'd be happy to answer your questions. And I'd appreciate your support for passage of House Bill 5834."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 5834. On that, Representative Bellock."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the speaker yield?"
"She indicates she will." 09400133.doc 122 133rd Legislative Day
"Okay." STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Proceed."
"Thank you very much. I'd just like to ask because this has happened so quickly as to whether there's a position been taken by NAMI or the Mental Health Summit because..."
"I have not heard. But as I say, all the Bill does is to say that any spec... specifically says 'if ever' there is a decision no longer to use the facility, Loyola Medical Center would have the right of first refusal. Nothing in this measure precipitates a sale or a decision to close the Madden Mental Health Facility. There is no current plan to do that, but earlier this year a private entity non health care related expressed an interest in having a part of that Madden property. And I think that the Loyola people are concerned that should it ever happen that the state wants to divest itself of that property this area should remain a health care program available to the citizens across... across Cook County."
"Okay. I just received one email before we came down and they knew nothing... this was from the Mental Health Summit... they had known nothing about it and I know they were questioning whether it was a movement to close another mental health facility. And I haven't begun to..."
"Yeah. There is not... there is not... there is no plan to do that and if you read the language, particularly the language we just inserted, we make it clear that there's no immediate idea that the state will sell, but should that ever happen this ought to revert to health care usage as the 09400133.doc 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 Federal Government gave all of this land to the state and to the Loyola Medical Center 40 years ago for purposes of providing health care. So, that's all this is about, contingent legislation should ever the state decide for whatever reason to divest itself of Madden and there is no plan today to do that, it ought to remain a health care facility."
"I guess my question is why wouldn't we wait 'til then if that was an interest?"
"I think first of all because there was a proposal through a private entity to take some of that state land. That didn't amount to anything at the end of the day, but the medical center people became anxious that should a proposal for some sale happen in the future they kinda wanna lock in, as they are themselves landlocked, lock in an opportunity to have first crack."
"Is that proposal from the private entity off the table at present?"
"Well, it would be if we passed this Bill. I mean, my understanding was that at this point the state isn't... the state is not prepared to divest itself of Madden. It did not agree... it did not agree to sell anything or rent anything to this private sector entity. But it was a kind of a wake-up call to the people at Loyola that this should remain health care territory and this is one way of assuring that should ever it happen, that the state decided no longer that it needed Madden, this would just assure that health care would continue to be the point of all of this territory 09400133.doc 124 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 ceded to us and to Loyola by the Federal Government 40 years ago."
"Is there any mention that Loyola would be providing mental health services if this would happen?"
"No. It would just be medical services provid... health care services generally provided by Loyola. As I say, there is no intention today to sell, to divest, Madden. This is all contingent legislation precipitated by the interest of the private entity in taking over some portion of the state's current land."
"Okay. So then, if Madden were to be sold, would it have to come back... would that have to come back before this Body?"
"It would go through the regular channels of three appraisals, fair market value and again, this is right of first refusal if for whatever reason Loyola were not interested, then it would revert to the... to the traditional system which would not involve us."
"Is... has Loyola approached DHS to sell this land before?"
"I think they had been interested in some small section for parking purposes. DHS needed that parking lot for its own purposes and there was no sale. We have worked with the Department of Human Services and with the Department of Central Management Services to make sure that they are all comfortable with the language in this Bill and as I say, the language is clearly contingent language should it ever come to pass that the department no longer needed this property."
"Thank you very much." 09400133.doc 125 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Anything further? Anyone else seeking recognition? Seeing none, the Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 5834. The question is, 'Shall that Bill pass?' All in favor shall vote 'aye'; those opposed shall vote 'nay', when the Clerk calls your name. The voting is now open and the Clerk will conduct the Roll Call."
"Acevedo."
"(Inaudible)."
"Acevedo votes 'aye'. Beaubien."
"Yes."
"Beaubien votes 'aye'. Beiser."
"Yes."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock. Bellock."
"Pass."
"Bellock passes. Berrios."
"(Inaudible)."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Biggins."
"(Inaudible)."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"Pass."
"Black passes. Boland."
"Aye."
"Boland votes 'aye'. Bost."
"Aye."
"Bost votes 'aye'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Aye."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley. Rich Bradley. Brady."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 126 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Brady votes 'aye'. Brauer. Brauer."
"Yes."
"Brauer votes 'aye'. Brosnahan."
"Yes."
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke. Burke. Chapa Lavia. Chapa LaVia. Chavez. Chavez. Churchill."
"Aye."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins."
"Aye."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Colvin. Colvin."
"(Inaudible)."
"Colvin votes 'aye'. Coulson."
"Pass."
"Coulson passes. Cross. Cross. Cultra."
"Yes."
"Cultra votes 'aye'. Currie. Currie."
"Aye."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Aye."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels."
"Aye."
"Daniels votes 'aye'. Monique Davis. Monique Davis. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado."
"Aye."
"Delgado says 'aye'. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Aye."
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Dugan." 09400133.doc 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin. Dunkin."
"Aye."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn. Dunn."
"Aye."
"Dunn votes 'aye'. Durkin."
"Aye."
"Durkin votes 'aye'. Eddy."
"Yes."
"Eddy votes 'aye'. Feigenholtz. Feigenholtz. Flider."
"Aye."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Aye."
"Franks votes 'aye'. Fritchey. Fritchey. Froehlich."
"Aye."
"Froehlich votes 'aye'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Golar. Golar."
"Aye."
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon."
"Yes."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham."
"Aye."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 128 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"(Inaudible)."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig."
"Aye."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert. Hassert. Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"Aye."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"Aye."
"Hultgren votes 'aye'. Jakobsson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies."
"Aye."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch. Jenisch. Joyce."
"Aye."
"Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly."
"Yes."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel. Kosel. Krause."
"Yes."
"Krause votes 'aye'. Lang. Lang."
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch. Leitch."
"Aye."
"Leitch votes 'aye'. Lindner. Lindner." 09400133.doc 129 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"(Inaudible)."
"Lindner votes 'aye'. Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"Aye."
"Mathias votes 'aye'. Mautino."
"Aye."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May. May."
"Aye."
"May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe."
"Yes."
"McAuliffe votes 'aye'. McCarthy."
"Yes."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire. McGuire."
"Aye."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon. McKeon. Mendoza."
"Aye."
"Mendoza votes 'aye'. Meyer. Meyer."
"Aye."
"Meyer votes 'aye'. Miller."
"Aye."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt. Moffitt. Molaro."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 130 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Yes."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Munson votes 'aye'. Myers. Munson passes. Myers. Myers."
"Aye."
"Myers votes 'aye'. Nekritz."
"Aye."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond. Mulligan passes. Munson votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"Aye."
"Osmond votes 'aye'. Osterman."
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke. Parke."
"(Inaudible)."
"Parke votes 'aye'. Phelps."
"(Inaudible)."
"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos."
"Aye."
"Pihos votes 'aye'. Poe. Poe."
"Yes."
"Poe votes 'aye'. Pritchard."
"(Inaudible)."
"Pritchard votes... Pritchard votes 'aye'. Ramey."
"Aye."
"Ramey votes 'aye'. Reis."
"Aye."
"Reis votes 'aye'. Reitz." 09400133.doc 131 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Reitz: "Aye."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita."
"Aye."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose."
"Yes."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"Aye."
"Sacia votes 'aye'. Saviano."
"Aye."
"Saviano votes 'aye'. Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Schmitz votes 'aye'. Schock. Schock."
"Yes."
"Schock votes 'aye'. Scully."
"Aye."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"Aye."
"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"Aye."
"Sommer votes 'aye'. Soto. Soto."
"Yes."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"(Inaudible)."
"Stephens votes 'no'. Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Sullivan votes 'aye'. Tracy."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 11/15/2006 132 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Mahoney: "Tracy votes 'aye'. Tryon."
"Aye."
"Tryon votes 'aye'. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore." 11/15/2006
"(Inaudible)."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"(Inaudible)."
"Wait votes 'aye'. Washington."
"(Inaudible)."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson. Watson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Watson votes 'aye'. Winters. Winters."
"(Inaudible)."
"Winters votes 'aye'. Yarbrough."
"Aye."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"Aye."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Bellock."
"Aye."
"Bellock votes 'aye'. Black."
"No."
"Black votes 'no'. Rich... Richard Bradley. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Bradley votes 'aye'. Burke."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 133 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Burke votes 'aye'. Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Chavez."
"Aye."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Coulson."
"Aye."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross. Representative Cross. Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Fritchey. Representative Fritchey. Hassert. Representative Fritchey votes 'aye'. Representative Hassert. Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Jenisch. Representative Jenisch. Kosel."
"Aye."
"Representative Kosel votes 'aye'. McKeon. Representative McKeon. Moffitt."
"Aye."
"Representative Moffitt votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Any Member who is present who has not yet voted or wishes to change their vote should now so indicate. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, 109 voting 'yes', 2 voting 'no'. House Bill 5834, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1896. Mr. Clerk. Out of the 09400133.doc 134 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 record. Mr. Clerk, Total Veto Motions. House Bill 2067. Read the Bill. Representative Collins on the Motion."
"On... Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. We would like to override House Bill 2067. And what... what this Bill does is simply... it preserves the intent of the juvenile court by removing new statutory language requiring juveniles convicted as juveniles, if they were... if they were convicted as a sex offender as a juvenile. So that means, adjudicated by the juvenile court as a sex offender that their case be heard individually by a judge to determine if they should register or not register as a sex offender. Now, this summer, all summer long, we've held hearings all over the state to listen to how sex offenders are registered and the effect that it has had on the law and the different laws. And we ask that you override the Veto. Thank you. I'll take any questions."
"The Lady moves the Motion. On that question, Representative Sacia. Proceed, Sir."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I stand in strong support of the Lady's legislation. You may recall that it passed by a small majority during general Session. Not often would I say that the Governor is wrong in a Veto, but he's certainly wrong in this one and here's why. This particular legislation deals predominately with cases that could be considered Romeo and Juliet-type crimes. In other words, an 18-year-old young man and a 15- year-old young lady in the backseat of a '49 Hudson... I'm dating myself a little bit there, it was a little newer... but the fact remains for that young person to have a stigma 09400133.doc 135 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 attached to them for at least the next 10 years is absolutely wrong. I'd like to ask you to consider, Ladies and Gentlemen, what we do to a young person when we do that. For the next 10 years, we tell him he cannot return to his high school football or basketball games. We tell him the only way he can get in the college is with the dean's personal attention. We tell him that he cannot live within so many feet of a school. We tell him for 10 years, at least, that he is basically a bum. Then 10 years later we may tell him, go ahead, now you're a productive citizen. How do you become a productive citizen after we've spent 10 years telling you you're a bum. The Lady's legislation is good; it is solid. It deserves the support of everybody in this Body. And I encourage an 'aye' vote to override the Governor. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Thank you, Representative. Representative Pritchard. In need of a microphone?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think Mr... Representative Sacia is correct that we have to look at these Bills with a face on them. That we can't just look at this in fear what might happen or let our biases about our judicial system come into play. I have a rehabilitation center in my district called Focus House that deals with adolescents who have gone afoul of the law. And it was an experiment that has been approved by this House of Representatives and provides funding each year so that we can provide educational services to train these young men and women in new ways to live their lives. They have commented to me that the current law that we have discourages that kind of 09400133.doc 136 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 rehabilitation that they may, for 5 or 10 years, about when they are convicted of this kind of juvenile crime, reform their ways and go on to a better lifestyle. And then they hit 17 years of age and then right away they're classified as an adult sex offender and for the rest of their life will be transformed into the type of lifestyle that we all discourage and hope can be remediated. This Bill is a good Bill at giving judges discretion, not to rubberstamp every particular case, but to have discretion in looking at the situation, at the case and the individual and to look at rehabilitation and to supporting that rehabilitation rather than to continue the stereotyping that Representative Sacia just talked about. On behalf of all of those that work with juveniles that have gone afoul of the law, I encourage you to consider this Bill and to support Representative Collins' Act. Thank you."
"Representative Gordon."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill... to the Motion. Ladies and Gentlemen, one of the previous speakers brought up... brought up a situation that he referred to as Romeo and Juliet. In that specific situation that is less... less than 2 percent of the registered sex offenders in this state, less than 2 percent and I really think that that is something that should be taken into consideration when dealing with what is on this Bill. What we did learn in these hearings that were taken over the sum... that were done over the summer when Representative Molaro and Minority Spokesperson Representative Lindner formed a subcommittee on the sex offender laws in this state was that a piecemeal 09400133.doc 137 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 approach has been taken to some of those laws. And in the Spring Session, what we can do is do a complete revamping of how the registration system is done in this state. The override of... of this... of this law, the Motion to override, should not go through at this point and I would urge a 'no' vote on this Motion. Not because I don't agree what the Lady and the Sponsor is trying to do... she is an advocate for juveniles in this state and she's an outstanding advocate... but in this situation, this law and leaving it up to the judges is not the correct thing to do at this point. In traveling the state as a prosecutor, we found many judges who do not take this seriously. We found judges who think that people just get caught up in the laws and that they don't understand the situation and that the sex offenders and the type of criminals that they are and we have found this information out from the Attorney General's Office and from the experts who deal with the sex offenders on a daily basis. I think that we should allow this Veto to stand and in the Spring Session take what we've learned from the hearings that we've had over the summer and apply a good law and do it that way to what we have here in the State of Illinois so that we have good, strong laws to protect our communities. And I would ask for a 'no' vote on this Mo... on this Motion. Thank you."
"Anyone further seeking recognition? Representative Bellock."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the speaker yield?"
"She indicates she will." 09400133.doc 138 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"I stand in support of the override of the Governor on this Bill. A lot of us took a chance and voted on this before and I acknowledge the leadership of Annazette Collins on the Bills that she has done for juvenile justice in Illinois. A lot of us have served on that task force for the last 2 years and it's something that we're trying to make Illinois a model of to create juvenile justice. Illinois was the first state in the nation to create the Juvenile Justice Law and now we're trying to even out that there are other states that base their sexual laws on age or other circumstances. We are working on that now with the task force in Illinois, but this Bill is a Bill that will help juvenile defend... juvenile offenders not serve in prison for the rest of their lives when a judge can make that decision as to whether they should be allowed to continue their life and not be recidivism for the rest of their lives. So, I stand in support of that and thank you for your initiative in this movement."
"Anyone further? Representative Cultra."
"Yes. It's not very often I vote 'yes' on Bills, but on this one I'm recommending everyone vote 'yes'. I think that the crime should fit the punishment and without this Bill there's... having to go on to the register for 10 years just is not fair to a lot of the cases. They don't warrant that kind of punishment. It ruins the person's life that they... to have to be on a sex offender list and be on the Internet and your picture be there for... for some of the things that are done. And I think the judicial discretion is needed in these different cases to... to decide what crime is heinous 09400133.doc 139 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 and needs to be on the registry and which ones don't. So, this is important legislation to fix past inequities in laws that we've passed here. So, I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."
"Anyone further? Representative Black."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Proceed, Sir."
"Representative, what... what did the Governor state in his Veto message? What did he say?"
"I'm not sure, Representative."
"You're asking to override his Veto and you don't know what he said as to the reason why he vetoed the Bill?"
"Yes, I am."
"All right. Let me... let me share what he said in his Veto message with the Body. The Governor stated in his Veto that he cannot condone leniency towards sex offenders whether the sex offender is a juvenile or an adult. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Cook County State's Attorney opposes this Motion for about three distinct reasons. And in all due respect to the maker of the Motion and those who have spoken in favor of the Bill, this involves, as a Lady on the other side of the aisle said, much more than some innocent high school activity that may take place in the backseat of a car. If you have a 16-year-old who commits aggravated sexual assault, penetration by a foreign object, assault and battery, sodomy, oral copulation, and because he is... he is 16 years old and you give the sole discretion to the judge, that individual may not, because it depends on the judge that you go before, may not have to register as a 09400133.doc 140 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 sex offender and yet the act that he committed is just as violent and vicious an act as if the perpetrator was 26 or 36. I think another reason that the Cook County State's Attorneys Office opposes the Motion is that you have changed, in this Bill, the standard of proof. If you go before a judge and you give the judge discretion, all the judge now needs to hear is a preponderance of the evidence, not clear and convincing evidence that the assault in question was particularly vicious, that lowers the standard of proof. I don't think it's in anyone's best interest... and I certainly appreciate the remarks of my colleagues who differ in my opinion and they may very well be right... but to suggest that all of these juveniles will be treated as somebody who simply kissed a girl in the high school gym against the girl's wishes, I don't think even under existing law that individual in a current court of law would be adjudicated a sex offender. But it makes no difference to the female whether a violent and vicious rape and assault and battery and other indignities that may be inflicted upon that victim, I don't think it makes any difference to that victim whether the perpetrator is 15 years old or 16 years old or 50 years old. The nature of a sex crime demands that society be protected to the highest level possible from those people that research has shown time and time and time again are likely to commit that act in the future. Yes, it's a tough sentence. Yes, it's difficult. But if you commit a violent and vicious rape, I don't think nine weeks after your court date you should be prancing around at the basketball game and going to your senior prom. There are a a 09400133.doc 141 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 consequences to rape, sodomy and other crimes of nature committed against an unwilling person and you must pay the consequences of that action. And I stand in strong opposition to the Lady's Motion."
"Representative Rose."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, I would simply remind the Body that the subcommittee of the Judiciary II-Criminal Law Committee had a task force on this, they met over the summer. They're gonna issue a set of recommendations, as I understand from Representative Gordon, that cover not just this area but a number of areas. It is entirely premature to be handling this at this time. Beyond that, as Representative Black just so eloquently stated, there have to be consequences of actions. This is fundamentally bad policy at this time, particularly in the absence of the informed opinion of the subcommittee which is yet to issue its recommendations. So, I would urge everyone in this Body to strongly consider not overriding this Veto. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Sacia, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"My name was used in debate. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Body, several speakers have made reference to the fact that there has been a subcommittee meeting throughout the summer. I've been a member of that subcommittee and one of the things that... that is coming out of it is, yes, I used the example of a Romeo and Juliet-type crime, but there's numerous other crimes and one that stands out in my mind is a young 13-year-old boy who rang a doorbell of a 13-year-old young lady and when she answered the doorbell he fondled her 09400133.doc 142 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 breasts and ran away. Now, what you have here is a young man who when he reaches 17 must register for the next 10 years. I submit to you, that is absolutely wrong. This young man has received extensive counseling, he is proving himself to be a model young citizen and we are marking him for the rest of his life. For us to say that judges use no judicial prudence is absolutely wrong. This is the kind of case that deserves to be considered on its merit; it deserves to go away when he has proven himself through counseling and adequate probation to move on with his life. Once again, I strongly endorse the Lady's legislation."
"Representative Mulligan."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Originally I supported this Bill and I got up and I spoke to it. I think some of the issue here is clouded and part of it is that I hear also that the Attorney General would like an Amendment. I find it interesting that the Governor, who I am pretty sure is a former assistant state's attorney, did not do an Amendatory Veto on this Bill that could have fixed up some of the problems even though they weren't said. I think the main problem here is setting forth some kind of categories. But I think that the whole problem is the Lady passed this Bill which was really difficult to pass. It's very hard to ask people to pass a Bill even though there's some common sense to it, if you think it's going to be a bad mail piece. And I think you have to make a distinguish... distinguishing rank between young people who are caught up in something that might be a dare or parents are unhappy and they press charges and someone that is a violent sexual offender which 09400133.doc 143 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 we know some young people are. That's probably the problem with this, but I think the Governor instead of doing just a Veto could have had a little courage to stand up and straighten this out and do a proper Amendatory Veto. Also, I think the Bill can be amended later. I'm loath not to support it again for the simple reason that I think there is a real problem with passing something like this which basically has some common sense to it. The common sense is there is... there are a number of people here that shouldn't have to be on a sex offender list for the rest of their life or for any lengthy period of time. They can't get a job, people look them up, they're marked and maybe they haven't done anything. And yet, we have on the other side, the people that we're worried about that may hurt somebody or something may happen. And I think the other main problem that's been brought to my attention and has happened in my district, you have overzealous state's attorneys that don't care what the person did, they just want a notch in their belt that they got a conviction or you have a judge that may or may not pay attention to the actual issues of the case. I very much... am still in the throes of I told the Lady I was gonna support her Bill again because I think it's a commonsense thing and it's something that we need to do in Illinois if we're honestly going to look at juvenile justice. On the other hand, I still think the Bill needs some tweaking and I would like to ask her, if anyone came to you and what did they suggest to you that they would like changed in the Bill?"
"No one has come to me asking me to change anything." 09400133.doc 144 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"My understanding was that there were some people that had approached you and that the Attorney General's Office would like to see a small change in the Bill."
"This... I have not talked to the Attorney General about changing anything."
"So, when does this Bill go into effect? What is the effective date of the Bill?"
"Immediately."
"It'll go into effect immediately?"
"Yes."
"So, in order to make any changes we would still have to say to the Attorney General's Office would have to get a Sponsor next Session to refine the law a little bit and maybe put in categories so that some of this would be left to discretion of a judge but others would not. Is that a potential?"
"Well... was a problem that... I'm not finished... the problem that the Attorney General, that I was just told, was that they had a problem with the physical (sic-fiscal) impact. They think it's gonna cost a lot of money to implement the Bill, but the Bill already... last year when Brosnahan passed this Bill to say sex offenders had to register... before last year, juvenile sex offenders have never had to register. These were kids who were adjudicated as juveniles, but the Attorney General will have to figure out how to make people register anyway and follow through with it. Whether the law was passed or not, because other sex offenders, now they've added to the list juveniles. So it's a job that they already have to do." 09400133.doc 145 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"When I spoke for your Bill originally, and I will probably go back to that position again, I think we passed a lot of laws because it looks good for the Legislator to say I'm tough on crime and sometimes what they do is they don't take into consideration what the total impact will be as far as overall sentencing, as far as what's going to happen to a person's life and not take into account the people that are doing the trying and... and the prosecuting and the defending are all human and that means there are a lot of foibles and so that people get caught up in it. We seem to think that we can make laws that are one size fits all. I don't think the General Assembly can do that. I think there ought to be some flexibility because I think what we found is we've got a lot of laws here that are piled on top of each other that are really not good laws anymore. I think, when you talk about a young person that's an important thing in their life and I think I will continue to support the Lady's Bill and I would also support something to tweak it and send out definition, but I think it was difficult to pass this to begin with. I think the Governor could have done a better job on this. He could have done an Amendatory Veto, could have taken a little time in his schedule to figure out what really is going on in the world."
"Okay. Can anyone further seeking recognition? Rep... Representative Stephens."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Sponsor. I was lobbied on several occasions today and had agreed to change my 'no' vote to a 'yes' vote. And I have to tell you that a lot of us on this side of the aisle took it very personal 09400133.doc 146 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 when you responded to Representative Black that you didn't care to discuss what the Governor's Veto message was about. We saw that as an insult to our Leader and for that reason you lost my support."
"Anyone further seeking recognition? No one further seeking recognition is, 'Shall House Bill 2067 pass, the Veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' This Motion requires 71 votes. This is final action. All those in favor shall vote 'aye' and those opposed shall vote 'no', when the Clerk calls your name. The voting is now open and the Clerk will conduct the Roll Call."
"Acevedo. Acevedo. Beaubien. Beaubien."
"(Inaudible)."
"Beaubien votes 'aye'. Beiser. Beiser."
"(Inaudible)."
"Beiser votes 'no'. Bellock."
"Aye."
"Bellock votes 'aye'. Berrios."
"Present."
"Berrios votes 'present'. Biggins. Biggins."
"Aye."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"No."
"Black votes 'no'. Boland."
"No."
"Boland votes 'no'. Bost. Bost. John Bradley. John Bradley. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Brady." 09400133.doc 147 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"No."
"Brady votes 'no'. Brauer. Brauer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brauer passes. Brosnahan."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brosnahan votes 'no'. Burke."
"Aye."
"Burke votes 'aye'. Chapa LaVia. Chapa LaVia."
"(Inaudible)."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'no'. Chavez."
"Present."
"Chavez votes 'present'. Churchill."
"No."
"Churchill votes 'no'. Collins. Collins."
"Yes."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Colvin."
"Yes."
"Colvin votes 'yes'. Coulson."
"Pass."
"Coulson passes. Cross. Cross. Cultra."
"(Inaudible)."
"Cultra votes 'aye'. Currie."
"Aye."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Yes."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels."
"(Inaudible)."
"Daniels votes 'no'. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Aye." 09400133.doc 148 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado."
"Aye."
"Delgado votes 'aye'. Dugan."
"No."
"Dugan votes 'no'. Dunkin. Dunkin."
"Yes."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn."
"No."
"Dunn votes 'no'. Durkin."
"(Inaudible)."
"Durkin votes 'no'. Eddy."
"No."
"Eddy votes 'no'. Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Flider."
"No."
"Flider votes 'no'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks. Franks."
"(Inaudible)."
"Franks votes 'no'. Fritchey."
"Yes."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich. Froehlich. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Golar."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 149 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon."
"(Inaudible)."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham. Gordon votes 'no'. Graham."
"Aye."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"Aye."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"(Inaudible)."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig. Hannig."
"No."
"Hannig votes 'no'. Hassert. Hassert. Hoffman. Hoffman. Holbrook."
"(Inaudible)."
"Holbrook votes 'no'. Howard."
"Yes."
"Howard votes 'yes'. Hultgren."
"No."
"Hultgren votes 'no'. Jakobsson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson. Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jakobsson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jakobsson votes 'no'. Jenisch."
"No."
"Jenisch votes 'no'. Joyce. Joyce." 09400133.doc 150 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"(Inaudible)."
"Joyce votes 'no'. Kelly. Kelly. Kosel."
"(Inaudible)."
"Kosel votes 'no'. Krause. Krause."
"(Inaudible)."
"Krause votes 'aye'. Lang."
"(Inaudible)."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch."
"Aye."
"Leitch votes 'aye'. Lindner. Lindner."
"(Inaudible)."
"Lindner votes 'aye'. Joe Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mathias passes. Mautino."
"Aye."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May. Mautino passes. May."
"Pass."
"May passes. McAuliffe."
"No."
"McAuliffe votes 'no'. McCarthy."
"(Inaudible)."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire."
"(Inaudible)."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon."
"Aye."
"McKeon votes 'aye'. Meyer." 09400133.doc 151 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"No."
"Meyer votes 'no'. Miller."
"Aye."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "(Inaudible)."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'no'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt."
"No."
"Moffitt votes 'no'. Molaro."
"Aye."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"No."
"Munson votes 'no'. Myers."
"No."
"Myers votes 'no'. Nekritz."
"(Inaudible)."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"No."
"Osmond votes 'no'. Osterman."
"Aye."
"No... Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke."
"Aye."
"Parke votes 'aye'. Phelps."
"No."
"Phelps votes 'no'. Pihos."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 152 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Pihos votes 'no'. Poe."
"No."
"Poe votes 'no'. Pritchard. Ra... Pritchard passes. Ramey."
"No."
"Ramey votes 'no'. Reis."
"Pass."
"Reis passes. Reitz."
"No."
"Reitz votes 'no'. Rita."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"(Inaudible)."
"Sacia votes 'aye'. Saviano. Saviano. Schmitz."
"No."
"Schmitz votes 'no'. Schock."
"No."
"Schock votes 'no'. Scully."
"Yes."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"No."
"Smith votes 'no'. Sommer."
"No."
"Sommer votes 'no'. Soto." 09400133.doc 153 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Yes."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"No."
"Stephens votes 'no'. Sullivan."
"No."
"Sullivan votes 'no'. Tracy."
"(Inaudible)."
"Tracy votes 'no'. Tryon."
"Aye."
"Tryon votes 'aye'. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore."
"(Inaudible)."
"Verschoore votes 'no'. Wait."
"No."
"Wait votes 'no'. Washington."
"Yes."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson."
"No."
"Watson votes 'no'. Winters."
"(Inaudible)."
"Winters votes 'no'. Yarbrough."
"Aye."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"Aye."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Acevedo. Representative Acevedo. Bost." 09400133.doc 154 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"No."
"Representative Bost votes 'no'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"John Bradley votes 'no'. Brauer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brauer votes 'no'. Coulson."
"Yes."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross."
"(Inaudible)."
"Cross votes 'aye'. Representative Froehlich. Froehlich. Representative Kelly."
"Aye."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Representative Hoffman. Hoffman. Representative Hassert. Representative Hassert. Mathias."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Mathias votes 'no'. Mautino."
"Aye."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May."
"(Inaudible)."
"May votes 'no'. Representative Pritchard. Pritchard. Representative Pritchard."
"Aye."
"Pritchard votes 'aye'. Representative Reis."
"No."
"Reis votes 'no'. Saviano."
"(Inaudible)."
"Saviano votes 'aye'." 09400133.doc 155 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Any Member wishing to change their vote should so indicate. Representative Rose."
"Please, no."
"Record Representative Rose as 'no'. Representative Jakobsson. Record Representative Jakobsson as 'yes'. Anything further? Representative Chavez, 'yes'. Change her. Anything further? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there were 58 voting 'yes', 51 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Motion fails. Mr. Clerk, Supplemental Calendar #1. No. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 1896. Representative Currie."
"House Bill 1896 has been read a second time, previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Currie, has been approved for consideration."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is a land transfer from the State Department of Transportation to the Village of Justice. There is a small triangular section of road that IDOT owns that it had planned to use as an expansion of Archer Avenue at 86th Street. That plan was around about 12 years ago; it's not going to happen. In the meantime, the Village of Justice would like that little triangle so as to be able to avoid a very sharp angled turn which is not a safe thing for the denizens of that community. The proposal is that IDOT will give this small triangle to Justice for $1 and the Village of Justice will spend about $95 thousand of its money to remediate what were 09400133.doc 156 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 leaking underground storage tanks so as to make for a safer connection between 75th Street and Archer Avenue. There is no opposition to the measure. I'd be happy to answer your questions and would appreciate your 'aye' votes."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 1896. Any que... Representative Black."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? Representative, yesterday in committee you told me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you had no idea what the Village of Justice would do with this land. Now, you tell me it's to take a sharp curve out of a road."
"To fix a sharp curve, right."
"To fix a sharp curve."
"Get rid of a sharp curve making a T intersection where right now traffic has to go this way and then go zoot that way. Zoom."
"How was that? How does that traffic go, zoot?"
"Zoot."
"I understand. Is it... is it common practice for state property to be... particularly IDOT, to convey it for $1 or is it a practice that we have an appraisal?"
"I believe it is common practice when the property is not something that would have any value to anybody else and... and it's going after... all to a unit of government. So, we do..."
"Okay, okay."
"...these transactions frequently. IDOT has declared it surplus property; they have no intention of using it." 09400133.doc 157 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"To the best of your knowledge, has any private individual developer or entity expressed any interest in the purchase of said land so that we might recoup some money?"
"Not to my knowledge."
"Okay."
"In fact it was the site of a very small gasoline station which has environmental problems to the tune of some 95 or... thousand or more dollars which Justice will pay to clean up."
"So, the village will clean up the site?"
"Yes."
"All right. And it will enhance the traffic flow?"
"Yes."
"From a sharp turn to a u-turn?"
"T... a T shape. A T shaped intersection."
"Well, you and I could join together and tea for two, but it sounds reasonable to me. Thank you, Representative."
"Thank you."
"Anything further on the Amendment? No one seeking recognition, the Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1896. All in favor shall say 'aye'; all opposed shall say 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Third."
"House Bill 1896, a Bill for an Act concerning civil law. Third Reading of this House Bill."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker. The Bill is exactly as I described in the Amendment and I'd appreciate your 'aye' votes." 09400133.doc 158 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 1896. All in favor shall vote 'aye'; all opposed shall vote 'nay', when your name is called. The Clerk shall conduct the roll."
"Acevedo. Beaubien."
"(Inaudible)."
"Beaubien votes 'aye'. Beiser."
"Aye."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock."
"Aye."
"Bellock votes 'aye'. Berrios."
"Aye."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Biggins."
"Aye."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"Aye."
"Black votes 'aye'. Boland. Boland. Bost."
"Aye."
"Bost votes 'aye'. John Bradley."
"Yes."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Brady."
"Yes."
"Brady votes 'aye'. Brauer."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brauer votes 'aye'. Brosnahan."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke." 09400133.doc 159 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Burke votes 'aye'. Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Chavez."
"Aye."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Churchill."
"Aye."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins. Collins. Colvin."
"Yes."
"Colvin votes 'aye'. Coulson. Coulson. Cross. Cross. Cultra. Cultra."
"(Inaudible)."
"Cultra votes 'aye'. Currie."
"Aye."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"Yes."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels."
"(Inaudible)."
"Daniels votes 'aye'. Monique Davis. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "(Inaudible)."
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado."
"Aye."
"Delgado votes 'aye'. Dugan. Dugan."
"Aye."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin." 09400133.doc 160 133rd Legislative Day
"Yes."
STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 "Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn. Dunn. Durkin."
"Aye."
"Yes." "Durkin votes 'aye'. Eddy."
"Eddy votes 'aye'. Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Flider."
"(Inaudible)."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Aye."
"Franks votes 'aye'. Fritchey. Fritchey."
"Yes."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich. Froehlich. Giles. Giles. Golar. Golar. Gordon."
"(Inaudible)."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham. Graham."
"Aye."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos."
"Yes."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig. Hannig."
"(Inaudible)."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert. Hoffman. Hoffman. Holbrook."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 161 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"Aye."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"Aye."
"Hultgren votes 'aye'. Jakobsson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies. Jefferies. Jefferson."
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch."
"Aye."
"Jenisch votes 'aye'. Joyce."
"Aye."
"Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly. Kelly."
"(Inaudible)."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel."
"(Inaudible)."
"Kosel votes 'aye'. Krause."
"(Inaudible)."
"Krause votes 'aye'. Lang."
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch."
"Aye."
"Leitch votes 'aye'. Lindner."
"(Inaudible)."
"Lindner votes 'aye'. Joe Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 162 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Mahoney: "Mathias votes 'aye'. Mautino."
"Yes."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. May."
"Aye."
"May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe."
"Aye."
"McAuliffe votes 'aye'. McCarthy."
"Aye."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire."
"Yes."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon."
"Aye."
"McKeon votes 'aye'. Meyer."
"Aye."
"Meyer votes 'aye'. Miller. Miller."
"Aye."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "(Inaudible)."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt."
"Aye."
"Moffitt votes 'aye'. Molaro."
"(Inaudible)."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"Aye."
"Munson votes 'aye'. Myers." 09400133.doc 11/15/2006 163 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"(Inaudible)."
"Myers votes 'aye'. Nekritz."
"Aye."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"(Inaudible)."
"Osmond votes 'aye'. Osterman. Osterman. Parke."
"Aye."
"Parke votes 'aye'. Phelps."
"(Inaudible)."
"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos."
"Aye."
"Pihos votes 'aye'. Poe. Poe. Pritchard."
"Yes."
"Pritchard votes 'aye'. Ramey."
"Aye."
"Ramey votes 'aye'. Reis. Reis."
"(Inaudible)."
"Reis votes 'aye'. Reitz. Reitz."
"Aye."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita."
"Aye."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose."
"Yes."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg. Ryg."
"Aye."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"Aye."
"Sacia votes 'aye'. Saviano. Saviano." 09400133.doc 164 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Yes."
"Saviano votes 'aye'. Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Schmitz votes 'aye'. Schock. Schock."
"(Inaudible)."
"Schock votes 'aye'. Scully."
"Yes."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"Aye."
"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"Aye."
"Sommer votes 'aye'. Soto."
"Yes."
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens."
"Aye."
"Stephens votes 'aye'. Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Sullivan votes 'aye'. Tracy."
"Aye."
"Tracy votes 'aye'. Tryon."
"Aye."
"Tryon votes 'aye'. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore."
"Aye."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"Aye."
"Wait votes 'aye'. Washington."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 165 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson."
"Aye."
"Watson votes 'aye'. Winters. Winters."
"(Inaudible)."
"Winters votes 'aye'. Yarbrough."
"Aye. "
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"Aye."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"Yes."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Acevedo."
"(Inaudible)."
"Acevedo votes 'aye'. Boland."
"Aye."
"Boland votes 'aye'. Collins. Representative Collins."
"Yes."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Coulson."
"Yes."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross. Dunn."
"Aye."
"Dunn votes 'aye'. Froehlich."
"Aye."
"Representative Froehlich votes 'aye'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles vote 'aye'. Golar."
"Yes."
Jefferies. "Golar votes 'aye'. Representative Jefferies." 09400133.doc Hassert. Hoffman. 166 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Osterman."
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Poe."
"Aye."
"Poe votes 'aye'. That's it."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take a record. On this question, 112 voting 'aye', 0 voting 'nay'. House Bill 1896, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Supplemental Calendar #1, Mr. Clerk. House Bills-Second Reading. Representative Eddy. House Bill 5830, Representative Eddy. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 5830, a Bill for an Act concerning local government. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions filed."
"Third Reading. House Bill 5839, Representative Hamos. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 5839, a Bill for an Act concerning State Government. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested and not yet received."
"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. Senate Bills-Second Reading. Senate Bill 1856, Representative Lang. Read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1856, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this Senate Bill. No 09400133.doc 167 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions filed."
"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1989, Speaker Madigan. Read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1989, a Bill for an Act concerning drilling operations. Second Reading of this Senate Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions filed."
"Read the Bill. Third Reading. Senate Bill 2427, Representative Rose. Read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 2427, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions filed."
"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, Senate Bill 1856. What is the status of that Bill?"
"Senate Bill 1856 was moved to the Order of Third Reading."
"Return it to Second. Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair."
"Certainly."
"Those of us that are sitting close to these windows, and beautiful windows they are, could we light some candles or put a fire in the woodstove? It's cold over here. Our feet... our feet are cold. Not for me, Mr. Speaker. I have no complaints. It's an honor, an honor, for me to sit in this chamber. But Rich Myers has water on the knee and it's frozen. He can't get up; he can't walk out and JoAnn Osmond 09400133.doc 168 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 would like a pair of gloves or something. Could we at least light the candles? I tried to put some wood in the fireplace and obviously they know who's in here because the door won't open, but it is getting a little chilly in here. And..."
"Mr. Black, that point's gonna be moot. We'll be leaving very shortly."
"Well, I... and I noticed you're having trouble reading things up there..."
"Well, you get to be our age..."
"...and you have light."
"You get to be our age, Representative Black and..."
"Absolutely. I... if we go much longer, I won't be able to read my computer. A candle would be most appreciated."
"Supplemental Calendar #1, HJR1490... I'm sorry. HJR144, Mr. Clerk. Representative Currie on... Representative Currie on House Joint Resolution 144."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This Resolution is one that encourages the United States to encourage the United Nations and the United States itself to make sure that not only our citizens but citizens across the globe are not subject to acts of terrorism, of genocide, and so forth. In 19... 5... in September 1985 (sic-2005) the United Nations adopted a responsibility to protect program under the World Outcome Summit and reiterated that... that commitment in action by the Security Council in April of this year. And the point of this Resolution is to remind our President and our Congress that through the actions of 09400133.doc 169 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 the United Nations and the Security Council we have made a commitment to take meaningful action to see to it that genocide and terrorism are not happening across our globe. This Resolution just reiterates our commitment and encourages our governmental leaders to put their muscle behind the commitments that they have made. I would appreciate your support and would be happy to answer your questions."
"The Lady moves for the passage of the Resolution. Any Member seeking attention? Seeing none, all in favor shall say 'aye'; all opposed shall say 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. House Res... House Resolution 1497, Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This encourages the... the Commission on Government and Financial Accountability to undertake a study to find out how well the Health Facilities Planning Board meets its mission to make determinations about the siting of various medical facilities. My understanding is that COGFA is prepared to do the study. And I would appreciate your support for the adoption of this Resolution."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of the Resolution. Anyone seeking recognition? Representative Parke."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates she will, proceed."
"Representative, at the meeting this morning of COGFA we discussed doing this. And we have the money budgeted and if the Resolution does pass we are going to look into providing 09400133.doc 170 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 this study but we have some questions that ultimately we'll need to ask you once this Resolution is passed."
"Be happy to answer them. Thank you for your support."
"Thank you."
"Thank you. Anyone else seeking recognition on this point? The Lady moves for the adoption. We read the Attendance Roll Call. Davis? Representative Currie moves for the passage of this Resolution, House Resolution 1497. All in favor shall say 'aye'; all opposed say 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. Mr. Clerk, Supplemental Calendar #2. Agreed Resolutions."
"Supplemental Calendar #2, Agreed Resolutions. House Resolution 1500, offered by Representative Brady. House Resolution 1501, offered by Representative Brady. House Resolution 1503, offered by Representative Franks. House Resolution 1505, offered by Representative May. House Resolution 1506, offered by Representative Pihos. House Resolution 1507, offered by Representative Pihos. House Resolution 1508, offered by Representative Brauer. And House Resolution 1509, offered by Representative Flowers."
"Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Resolutions. All in favor shall say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, Regular Calendar, Order of Resolutions. Hou... House Joint Resolution 138, Representative Mautino."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Joint Resolution is from the Village of Hennepin in Putnam County seeks to rename the I-180 bridge in Putnam 09400133.doc 171 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 County, Illinois, for Gudmund Jessen as a memorial. Appreciate an 'aye' vote."
"Anyone seeking recognition? The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Resolution. All in favor say 'aye'... Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? Seeing no objection, leave is granted. House Joint Resolution 139, Representative Meyer."
"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Earlier in the 94th General Assembly we passed a Resolution unanimously I believe that called for the... a task... joint task force on deaf and the hard of hearing to... to be formed to talk about the education options available to those that are served by that... the deaf and hard of hearing associations of the state. That Resolution called for a report to be submitted by the end of this year. There is a delay in doing that report and we're asking for an extension from January 2007 to December 31 of 2007."
"No... no one seeking recognition to move. The Gentleman moves for the... Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? Any objection? No objection noted. Leave is granted. And the Resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 140, Representative Jakobsson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Resolution... House Joint Resolution 140 addresses the safety of students on our campuses. We know that student housing fires can lead to great tragedies and many students live off campus so they don't have the automatic fire sprinklers that are in many dorms, but these students who live in off-campus occupancies are very often in a position that they're in danger. And so 09400133.doc 172 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 we encourage municipalities to have an effective method of reducing the occurrence of fires and provide for fire safety to these students on and off campus and take the necessary steps to ensure that fire safe living environments through fire safety education, installation of fire suppression and detection systems be applied."
"Any Member seeking recognition?"
"Thank you."
"The Lady moves the adoption of the Resolution. Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? No objection. Leave is granted. The Resolution is adopted. Resolution... House Joint Resolution 141, Representative Watson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Resolution names a highway in Morgan County after a narcotics officer who was killed in the line of duty. And I'd appreciate your support."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 141. Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? Hearing no objection, leave being granted, the Motion is adopted... Resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 142, Representative Bost."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Resolution 142 simply renames the Trail of Tears... Route 146 the Trail of Tears."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 142. Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? Noting no objection, leave is granted. The Resolution is adopted. House Representative Poe. Is Representative Poe... Out of the Resolution 1346, 09400133.doc 173 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006 record. House Joint Res... House Resolution 1... 1466, Representative Hamos. Representative Hamos, proceed."
"Okay. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a special and personal issue for me. Fifty years ago my family and I escaped from Hungary in the middle of the Hungarian Revolution and that happened this very month in 1956. And this is actually a Resolution that commemorates the Hungarian community that stood up tall against what was then the Soviet oppression in Hungary and is now at its 50th year anniversary. So, that's what this is... that's what this Resolution is and I seek your support. And I'm proud to say that I was invited by the Hungarian community at its... at its celebration because I am the poster child for American opportunity... opportunity in America and I was the poster child. Thank you."
"The Lady... the Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? No objection. Leave being granted, the Resolution is adopted. Representative Currie for a Motion on Senate Bill 36 and Senate Bill 505."
"Thank you, Speaker. I move that the posting requirements be suspended for those two Bills, Senate Bill 36, Senate Bill 505, so they made be heard in the appropriate committees tomorrow."
"Any questions? Being none... being none, leave is rant... leave is granted. And on the last matter of business, Supplemental Calendar #1, House Bill 4137, Representative Boland, Concurrence Motion. Proceed." 09400133.doc 174 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask that the House move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 House Bill 4137. Basically, what the Senate did in their Amendment was change the date so that the hybrid vehicle section of this Bill would take forth on July 1, 2007, to give the American automakers and the UAW a little longer to get their models out."
"Mr. Black. Mr. Black."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"He indicates he will. Proceed."
"Representative, you... you covered my concerns in your opening. I just want to go down that path with you a little further. My fear is that if the American automobile industry isn't ready to go by July 1, 2007, we could be buying, even though Toyotas are made in the United States, we could be buying foreign nameplate cars, Prius, Toyota trucks. And I don't wanna, ya know, appear overly nationalistic but I used to have a General Motors plant in my district and I know the UAW members who worked there would be very upset... I guess what I'm looking for is some reassurance for you. You are not just gonna walk away and say, hey, if we buy 500 Toyotas, 600 Subarus and 800 Fu Man Chus, that's fine. I would hope we would make every attempt to buy from one of the domestic big three manufacturers."
"Very definitely, Representative Black. In fact, the UAW and the General Motors and Daimler Chrysler all had asked for this delay..."
"Okay."
"...which came from the Senate..." 09400133.doc 175 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"All right."
"...and they feel they're gonna be ready by then."
"That's fine. Thank you very much."
"Thank you."
"I appreciate it. I knew you would have looked into it and I appreciate your answer."
"Thank you."
"Anyone further seeking recognition? None being noted, Representative Boland to close."
"I just ask for a 'aye' vote."
"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment to House Bill 4137?' This is final action. All those in favor should vote 'yes' and all those opposed should vote 'no', when the Clerk calls your name. The voting is now open. The Clerk will conduct the Roll Call."
"Acevedo. Beaubien."
"Yes."
"Beaubien votes 'aye'. Beiser."
"Aye."
"Beiser votes 'aye'. Bellock.
"Aye."
"Bellock votes 'aye'. Berrios."
"Aye."
"Berrios votes 'aye'. Biggins."
"(Inaudible)."
"Biggins votes 'aye'. Black."
"Aye."
"Black votes 'aye'. Boland."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 176 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk Mahoney: "Boland votes 'aye'. Bost. Bost." 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Bost votes 'aye'. John Bradley." Bradley, J.: "Aye."
"John Bradley votes 'aye'. Rich Bradley." Bradley, R.: "Aye."
"Rich Bradley votes 'aye'. Brady."
"Yes."
"Brady votes 'aye'. Brauer. Brauer. Brosnahan. Brosnahan."
"(Inaudible)."
"Brosnahan votes 'aye'. Burke."
"Aye."
"Burke votes 'aye'. Chapa LaVia."
"Aye."
"Chapa LaVia votes 'aye'. Chavez."
"Aye."
"Chavez votes 'aye'. Churchill. Churchill."
"(Inaudible)."
"Churchill votes 'aye'. Collins."
"Yes."
"Collins votes 'aye'. Colvin. Colvin."
"Yes."
"Colvin votes 'aye'. Coulson."
"Aye."
"Coulson votes 'aye'. Cross."
"Aye."
"Cross votes 'aye'. Cultra."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 177 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Cultra votes 'aye'. Currie. Currie."
"(Inaudible)."
"Currie votes 'aye'. D'Amico."
"(Inaudible)."
"D'Amico votes 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels. Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Aye."
"Monique Davis votes 'aye'. Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Aye."
"Will Davis votes 'aye'. Delgado. Delgado. Dugan."
"Aye."
"Dugan votes 'aye'. Dunkin."
"Yes."
"Dunkin votes 'aye'. Dunn. Dunn."
"Aye."
"Dunn votes 'aye'. Durkin."
"Aye."
"Durkin votes 'aye'. Eddy."
"Aye."
"Eddy votes 'aye'. Feigenholtz."
"Aye."
"Feigenholtz votes 'aye'. Flider."
"Aye."
"Flider votes 'aye'. Flowers."
"Aye."
"Flowers votes 'aye'. Franks."
"Aye."
"Franks votes 'aye'. Fritchey." 09400133.doc 178 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Fritchey: "Aye."
"Fritchey votes 'aye'. Froehlich."
"Aye."
"Froehlich votes 'aye'. Giles."
"Aye."
"Giles votes 'aye'. Golar. Golar."
"Aye."
"Golar votes 'aye'. Gordon."
"Aye."
"Gordon votes 'aye'. Graham. Graham."
"Aye."
"Graham votes 'aye'. Granberg."
"(Inaudible)."
"Granberg votes 'aye'. Hamos. Hamos."
"Yes."
"Hamos votes 'aye'. Hannig."
"Aye."
"Hannig votes 'aye'. Hassert. Hassert. Hoffman. Hoffman. Holbrook."
"Aye."
"Holbrook votes 'aye'. Howard."
"Aye."
"Howard votes 'aye'. Hultgren."
"Aye."
"Hultgren votes 'aye'. Jakobsson. Jakobsson."
"(Inaudible)."
"Jakobsson votes 'aye'. Jefferies."
"Aye."
"Jefferies votes 'aye'. Jefferson." 09400133.doc 179 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Aye."
"Jefferson votes 'aye'. Jenisch. Jenisch. Joyce."
"Aye."
"Joyce votes 'aye'. Kelly."
"Aye."
"Kelly votes 'aye'. Kosel."
"Aye."
"Kosel votes 'aye'. Krause. Krause." " Krause: (Inaudible)."
"Krause votes 'aye'. Lang."
"Aye."
"Lang votes 'aye'. Leitch."
"Aye." "Leitch votes 'aye'. Lindner. Representative
Lindner."
"(Inaudible)."
"Representative Lindner votes 'aye'. Lyons." Lyons, J.: "Aye."
"Lyons votes 'aye'. Mathias. Mathias. Mautino. Mautino. May."
"Aye."
McAuliffe. McCarthy: "Yes." "Representative May votes 'aye'. McAuliffe. McCarthy."
"McCarthy votes 'aye'. McGuire. McGuire."
"Aye."
"McGuire votes 'aye'. McKeon. McKeon. Meyer."
"(Inaudible)." 09400133.doc 180 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Meyer votes 'aye'. Miller. Miller."
"Yes."
"Miller votes 'aye'. Bill Mitchell." Mitchell, B.: "Aye."
"Bill Mitchell votes 'aye'. Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "Aye."
"Jerry Mitchell votes 'aye'. Moffitt."
"Aye."
"Moffitt votes 'aye'. Molaro."
"Aye."
"Molaro votes 'aye'. Mulligan. Mulligan. Representative Mulligan."
"Aye."
"Mulligan votes 'aye'. Munson."
"Yes."
"Munson votes 'aye'. Myers."
"Aye."
"Myers votes 'aye'. Nekritz."
"Yes."
"Nekritz votes 'aye'. Osmond."
"Aye."
"Osmond votes 'aye'. Osterman."
"Aye."
"Osterman votes 'aye'. Parke."
"Aye."
"Parke votes 'aye'. Phelps."
"Yes."
"Phelps votes 'aye'. Pihos."
"Aye." 09400133.doc 181 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Pihos votes 'aye'. Poe. Representative Poe. Pritchard. Representative Pritchard. Ramey."
"Aye."
"Ramey votes 'aye'. Reis."
"Yes."
"Reis votes 'aye'. Reitz."
"Aye."
"Reitz votes 'aye'. Rita."
"Aye."
"Rita votes 'aye'. Rose. Rose."
"(Inaudible)."
"Rose votes 'aye'. Ryg. Ryg. Representative Ryg."
"Yes."
"Ryg votes 'aye'. Sacia."
"Aye."
"Sacia votes 'aye'. Saviano. Saviano. Schmitz."
"Aye."
"Schmitz votes 'aye'. Schock."
"Aye."
"Schock votes 'aye'. Scully."
"Yes."
"Scully votes 'aye'. Smith."
"Aye."
"Smith votes 'aye'. Sommer."
"Yes."
"Sommer votes 'aye'. Soto."
"Yes." 09400133.doc 182 133rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11/15/2006
"Soto votes 'aye'. Stephens. Representative Stephens."
"Yes."
"Stephens votes 'aye'. Sullivan."
"Aye."
"Sullivan votes 'aye'. Tracy."
"Yes."
"Tracy votes 'aye'. Tryon."
"Aye."
"Tryon votes 'aye'. Turner."
"Aye."
"Turner votes 'aye'. Verschoore. Verschoore."
"(Inaudible)."
"Verschoore votes 'aye'. Wait."
"Aye."
"Wait votes 'aye'. Washington."
"Yes."
"Washington votes 'aye'. Watson."
"Aye."
"Watson votes 'aye'. Winters."
"Aye."
"Winters votes 'aye'. Yarbrough."
"Aye."
"Yarbrough votes 'aye'. Younge."
"Aye."
"Younge votes 'aye'. Mr. Speaker."
"(Inaudible)."
"Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Acevedo. Representative Acevedo. Brauer. Representative Brauer. 09400133.doc 183 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 Daniels. Representative Daniels. Delgado. Representative Delgado. Hassert. Representative Hassert. Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Jenisch. Representative Jenisch. Mathias."
"Aye."
"Representative Mathias votes 'aye'. Mautino."
"Aye."
"Mautino votes 'aye'. McAuliffe. Representative McAuliffe. McKeon."
"Yes."
"McKeon votes 'aye'. Poe. Representative Poe. Pritchard."
"Aye."
"Pritchard votes 'aye'. Saviano. Representative Saviano."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? First, Representative Black and Representative Moffitt for purposes of announcements."
"A point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker, if I could?"
"Proceed."
"This is a good Bill. House Bill 4137 is identical to Roger Eddy's Bill 473 that was never let out by Rules Committee. We will take it as imitation being a very sincere form of flattery. Thank you."
"Representative Moffitt."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege."
"Certainly." 09400133.doc 184 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006
"Just a reminder, you should have gotten a notice from the Fire Service, but Friday at Motorola in Schaumburg the Fire Service which represents all fire organizations will be continuing to work on their package of legislation for the coming year. All of you would be welcome to come. If you... see me tomorrow, if you want details. Friday, Motorola in Schaumburg, Fire Service will be working on their pack... legislative package and from that then we will introduce Bills. Representative Smith and I of course worked together on that as cochairs and then that'd be the package you'd pick from. So, see me for details. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 105 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. The House does concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4137 is hereby declared passed. One announcement. The security staff here is willing to escort any Member down to the basement... down to the parking lot and across the street to be closer to the shuttle. So, if you want to avail yourself of that opportunity. Meet them on level 2, level 2. Now, the House is... Representative D'Amico moves that the House stand adjourned 'til Thursday, November 16 at the hour of 11, allowing for time for perfunctory time for the Clerk. All in favor shall say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The House stands adjourned."
"House Perfunctory Session will come to order. Introduction and reading of House Bills-First Reading. House Bill 5856, offered by Representative Will Davis, a Bill for an Act concerning local government. First Reading 09400133.doc 185 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133rd Legislative Day 11/15/2006 of this House Bill. There being no further business, the House Perfunctory Session will stand adjourned." 09400133.doc 186