Illinois House Floor Debate — June 23, 2015

"The House will be in order. Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by Dr. Ed Taylor who is with First Christian Church in Gibson City. Dr. Taylor is the guest of Representative Bennett. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off cell phones and rise for the invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. Dr. Taylor."

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"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Currie. Mr. Brown."

"Mr. Clerk, please take the record. We have 106 Members present and the House does have a Quorum. The Chair recognizes the Clerk."

"Mr. Clerk, House Resolution 595. Mr. Butler is recognized."

"Welcome to the State Capitol and congratulations. Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Resolution. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Chair recognizes Mr. Zalewski."

"Point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Mr. Speaker, today I have as my Page, Chloe Michelle Jarmer. She's the daughter of Mark and Christine Jarmer who's 09900067.docx 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 on our House Democratic staff. She's 12 years old. She has 12 brothers and sis… she has 4 brothers and sisters that drive her crazy. She loves gymnastics and she's entering the eighth grade this fall. Please give her a warm round of applause."

"Welcome. Welcome to the House chamber. Thanks for being with us. Representative McAsey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Today, I have two very special Pages with me, my niece and nephew, Mary Jane and Jonathan Carollo. Please welcome them to the chamber."

"Welcome. Thanks for being with us. Representative Manley."

"Well, hello there. I just want to thank our Secretary of State Jesse White for coming out to the district with me. We had a very successful event where we brought light to how important organ and tissue donation is. And also, he shared a little secret with me. Tomorrow is his birthday, so we'd like to wish Secretary of State Jesse White a happy birthday."

"Happy birthday, Mr. Secretary. Representative Scherer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a couple point of personal privileges."

"Start with the first one."

"Okay. We will. That's the good part about living here. First, I have a very good teacher friend of mine who's knocked on many doors with me. It's Elaine Kotky, her husband John and grandchildren, Kevin, Brooke, and Ben. A big Capitol welcome." 09900067.docx 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Hello. Thank you. Glad you're up there with us. And Representative, you had another point."

"Yes. Okay. My next point is… I want to get all my names right. Okay. We've got in the gallery to my left we have Olivia, and her parents Tim and Liz Thord and her grandma Donna Vanderberg. So, another big Capitol welcome to friends from Decatur."

"Thank you. Enjoy the festivities today. Mr. Zalewski is recognized. Representative Scherer, one more."

"Yes. Okay, one more. A point of personal privilege. This is for the Southeast girls track team. If you'll stand up, gallery to my right. Coached by Barb Montgomery and crew. And they achieved third place state track team this year. We're so very proud of these girls. All kinds of special accomplishments on top of that. So, our hometown Southeast Spartans, way to go."

Speaker Lang: "Congratulations, Spartans. Mr. Brown is recognized."

"The Republicans will caucus immediately, that's immediately, in Room 118. The House Democrats will caucus immediately, that is immediately, in Room 114… the call of the Chair. The House will be in order. Page 4 of the Calendar, under the Order of House Bills-Second Reading, there appears House Bill 692. Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Bradley."

“This is, I believe, identical to the Bill presented previously. It reflects the Governor's proposal on property tax relief. It would have a reset taxes payable in 2017 for 2016. Home Rule exemptions would require 71 votes. It would freeze the automatic increase in EAV for… similar… identical to the previous Bills unless passed by a new referendum of the voters. I'd ask for adoption."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

“It's the same thing we voted on before, Ron."

“We're just going to have another vote on it."

“The Governor's indicated that this is something that he's interested in and we're here. And we continue to try to move the ball forward, so having another vote on it." 09900067.docx 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Can I… Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Chair."

"Proceed, Sir." Harris, D.: "Well, it seems as though we vote on a property tax Bill, as the previous speaker just said, every week that we come down here. Can we do what we do in committee and simply say with leave of the Body that we can put the same vote up that we had before? It seems like that's what we're doing every time we come down here. Is that possible?"

"No." Harris, D.: "Okay. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's A… Excuse me. Mr. Bradley to close."

“This is identical, identical, identical to the Governor's proposal. The previous speaker said this isn't real. This is identical. So, sure." 09900067.docx 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Amendment will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 44 voting 'yes', 21 voting 'no', 31 voting 'present'. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Bradley."

“This is the same Amendment involving the local government issues, the prevailing wage, collective bargaining issue that we previously voted on. I do not support this Amendment, but it is identical to the Governor's proposal, identical. And so, we'll put it up for a vote."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

“This is identical to the Governor's proposal."

“I recommend a 'no' vote…"

“…on the Governor's proposal."

"Mr. Bradley to close."

“No one's yet to point out to me how these proposals are not identical to the Governor's proposals. I do not support this Amendment, but it is identical to the Governor's proposal."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Amendment will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 0 voting 'yes', 71 voting 'no', 25 voting 'present'. And the Amendment fails. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. The Chair recognizes Mr. Sullivan."

"Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Mr. Bradley."

“This is Amendment 1 of the Governor's proposal. It's identical to his proposal with regards the property tax component."

"Mr. Sandack."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Third Reading, Sir."

"Mr. Clerk, please tell Mr. Sandack what Amendments are on the Bill?"

"Mr. Sandack."

"State your inquiry."

“This is the property tax component of the Governor's Bill, identical."

“Well, I gave you…"

“I gave you an accurate answer, Ron."

"Mr. Thapedi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Bradley, we keep hearing a lot of banter back and forth about whose name is up on the board. And I think we should focus in on form and not substance. Whose language is in this Bill?"

“Administration, the Governor's."

"Are you sure?"

“Yes."

"There's no differences whatsoever?"

“No, it's identical."

"So, in other words, you're just taking the language from one Bill and putting it on another Bill and it's up on the board."

“Cut…"

"Is that accurate?"

“…cut and paste."

"Thank you very much." 09900067.docx 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Mr. Bradley to close."

“This is the property tax component of the Governor's proposal without the local government prevailing wage, collective bargaining component. It is the property tax component. I would suggest an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 41 voting 'yes', 21 voting 'no', 36 voting 'present'. And the Bill fails. Chair recognizes Mr. Acevedo."

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Up in the gallery today we have the acting President of the Chicago School Board, Mr. Jesse Ruiz. I'd like to welcome him to Springfield."

"Welcome, Sir. Thank you for being with us today. Page 9 of the Calendar, under the Order the Order of Consideration Postponed, there appears Senate Bill 437, Mr. Mitchell. Leader Currie to be handling this. And Leader Currie wishes the Bill to be put back on the Order of Second Reading for an Amendment. Mr. Clerk, please do that and please read the Bill."

"Leader Currie." 09900067.docx 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Thank you, Speaker. This is an Amendment that would propose to delay for 40 days, until August 10, the required Chicago public school $683.6 million payment to the Chicago Teachers Pension Fund. Chicago public schools are cash- strapped. They're poor of resources and my understanding is that this proposal to delay for 40 days, only 40 days, the time period for paying the CTPF is an agreement that was reached over the weekend between the Mayor of the City of Chicago and the Governor of the State of Illinois. I'd be happy to answer your questions. There is no opposition. The Chicago Teachers Union is neutral on the Bill as is the Chicago Teacher Pension Fund. Happy to answer your questions. Appreciate your support for the Amendment."

"Leader Durkin."

"Sponsor yields."

"This is a statutory requirement that was adopted by the Members of this Assembly. Unfortunately, a variety of difficulties have beset the Chicago public school system. They're not able to meet this obligation without shortchanging other important obligations. And it is hoped that the additional 40 days will help the school district find the resources to meet all its obligations."

"Well, I think there were continuing discussions in the Assembly between the Governor, the Mayor and so forth and so on, but there has been no resolution to date and payment is due a week from today, June 30. And the school district does not have the money to meet the payment without short… shorting other responsibilities, payroll for example. So, the Governor, your Governor and your Mayor, our Mayor, our Governor agreed to this 40-day delay while we search for both short- and long-term solutions"

"It will take a simple Majority to attach the Amendment. It will take 71 votes to pass the Bill."

"Well, I'd expect they would default on the payment. My understanding is they do not have the resources to meet this responsibility. Although, I am told that borrowing plans are in the works. I would imagine should they not make the payment and should they be unable to make it, because the borrowing hasn't happened or what have you, then I should think that the Teacher's Pension Fund would sue."

"I don't know." 09900067.docx 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Well, first of all, I know that some tax dollars will be coming in, property tax dollars, possibly if there is ever a settlement to the state budget, moneys that would be due the school system from the State of Illinois for the various ways we fund public education. In addition, in testimony this morning, the Chicago public schools pointed out that the state budget this year will send $3.4 billion to downstate teacher pensions and the state will spend only 62 million on Chicago public school teacher pensions. So, there is a concern and a hope on the part of the Chicago public schools that the state will be a partner in helping to solve this problem."

"Representative, I don't know, but I can't imagine that there is anything that is not on the table when it comes to solving the problem with the finances of the Chicago public schools." 09900067.docx 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"This Bill's on the Order of Second Reading. There are six speakers wishing to speak. Is there any objection to moving the Bill to Third Reading and debating it on Third? Seeing none, those in favor of the Am… those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Of course she does." 09900067.docx 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Well, first of all, as I said I think there will be new tax revenue coming in, property taxes. If the state's able to make its school aid payments, some of that money will come in. It also gives them breathing room to find out if there are either short-term or long-term solutions to the fiscal problems facing the school. I wasn't party to the agreement, but I understand there is an agreement between the Governor and the mayor to offer this extended 40-day period to try to find a solution. And I appreciate the remarks of the former speaker and a willingness to help Chicago figure out how best to solve this problem."

"I don't know."

"I said I don't know, but I can't imagine that anything is off the table."

"In fact, actually the previous Bill would not impose the freeze until the period during which 2016 taxes are collected."

"So, it would not have been a freeze that starts tomorrow."

"But in any case, I voted 'no'… I voted 'no'."

"All I know is read about them in the newspaper."

"I read about them in the newspaper."

"I read that there were some borrowing plans in the City Council. That's information that was in one or two newspapers that I read today."

"Mr. Guzzardi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I know that folks are here from the City of Chicago and I get the message that many of us, on both sides of the aisle, would like to send to them is that we are willing to grant you 40 days here, but we also urge the city in no uncertain terms, to take those 40 days to raise real revenue to pay for this. Right? We don't want to be back here 40 days from now hearing the same thing from the City of Chicago. We need solutions from the city. So, there has been a lot of rhetoric in the media about how this is Springfield's problem and Springfield needs to solve it. But I think those of us who represent the city and those of us who represent downstate areas as well, feel very strongly that we're giving the city an opportunity to solve its problems. And we urge them very strongly to take that opportunity. I think that message should be sent loud and clear from both sides of the aisle today. And hopefully, we won't have to come back here in 40 days and hear these same arguments."

"Mr. Pritchard."

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"Yes, Sir."

"I think we all have an interest in the financial stability of the largest school district in the State of Illinois."

"I think people are discussing that even as we are discussing this Bill."

"That's right. It is a longer term discussion. People have discussed issues like changes in the school finance formula for money coming from Springfield to all local districts. There's discussion about why it is the state will pay $3.4 billion in 2016 for the retirement of downstate teachers and actually, probably no more than 12 million for the retirement of Chicago public school teachers."

"There's talk about other sources of revenue that might be available, either to the state, to the city or both. There's a lot of discussion on this very topic."

"No, it was just in the 1930s, I think."

"It surely wasn't."

"It isn't."

"Lost in the midst of time."

"Representative Williams."

"Thank you. To the Bill. It seems to me that we are without good options here. I represent the City of Chicago; its parents, its students, its teachers and its homeowners. While not an ideal solution, the city has indicated that this is the only solution to ensure our neighborhood schools are 09900067.docx 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 able to open on time and funded this fall. And that is not an option, my friends, that's a necessity. I consider this a temporary solution to a short-term cash flow crisis. Unfortunately, we have much bigger problems in the City of Chicago regarding funding our neighborhood schools. And this doesn't address those bigger issues. It doesn't address our structural deficit and many other challenges fiscally. So, I'm asking the City Council and everyone in the city to make significant progress over the next few weeks, not just to address this short-term cash flow issue, but to look at all fiscal challenges in the city, particularly those that impact our neighborhood schools. We simply can't afford not to."

"Mr. Ford."

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

“Leader Currie, I just have a few questions. So, this Bill protects the Chicago Schools Pension, but could you think of some other people maybe that it protects?"

"What this does is say that the Chicago public schools have 40 days before this particular obligation is due and owing."

“Would you say that this Bill protects the future of our young people the hundreds of thousands of students that educated in the Chicago public schools?"

"But only for 40 days."

“Only for 40 days. But if we didn't give 40 days, what would happen?"

"At that time, then this payment will be due, $683.6 million." 09900067.docx 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

“Okay. To the Bill. You know, I urge an 'aye' vote on this Bill simply because I represent the City of Chicago school students and the families of Chicago. And it makes sense that we recognize that there is a revenue problem in the State of Illinois and in the City of Chicago and in Cook County. And it would actually be sad if we not vote for a Bill like this and put the students of Chicago in the midst of something that's not their fault but the fault of the responsible adults in Springfield. So, I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Flowers."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Lady yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"So, Representative, 40 days; 40 days and 40 nights or just 40 days?"

"It's 40 nights as well as 40 days."

"Okay. So, with that being said, what is the guarantee?"

"There is no guarantee."

"So, there is…"

"There's hope."

"There is no guarantee that if we give them this extension that they will come up with the money to pay the pension. And if they did come up with the money to pay the pension in the 40 days and 40 nights, is this a one-time payment or is it for the ongoing payments?"

"This… this would be the payment required before the end of the school system's fiscal year. So, next year another payment, slightly smaller, would under the statute be owed. And that payment would still be due June 30. Nothing in this 09900067.docx 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 legislation changes the moneys that would be owed the pension system in the fiscal '16 budget."

"And let me ask, Representative. Other sources of funds for the City of Chicago, so they do have moneys that they're collecting from the penalties and the fines from the various cameras that's really hurting, I know, specifically the south and west side of the City of Chicago. And so, it wasn't enough that our schools were closed on the south and west side of the City of Chicago, that was not enough. It's not enough that our children have to walk further to school in more dangerous situations because there is no bus and transportation, that's not enough. But now, you want us to give the City of Chicago an opportunity, which I represent the City of Chicago, an opportunity to make a Band-Aid approach to a situation. But what other sources have they considered? For instance, have they considered a commuter tax?"

"Representative, I don't know the specific answer, as I answered earlier questions, but I would be surprised to discover that anything is not on the table for discussion."

"But see, I don't know. I don't know what's on the table and that's the problem. No one talked to me about it because I would have suggested and I have suggested that there be a commuter tax when you factor in the fact that one out of four people that work downtown in the City of Chicago only one live in the City of Chicago, the other three comes from the suburbs. And so, if we had more people employed from the city, working in the city, maybe we would have more revenue for them to pay these bills. So, I'm going to have to respectfully 09900067.docx 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 vote 'no' on this Bill until such time that I know that all the revenues that will… that are available and all the opportunities that are available to the city that they're taking advantage of it. Thank you very much."

"Mr. Kay."

"Sponsor yields."

"I suspect that there had not been an agreement 60 days ago between the Governor and the Mayor to at least solve the problem temporarily and give the city… give the Chicago public school system a little breathing room."

"I under… my understanding is that there are continuing discussions within the school board, between the school board and city hall to try to find ways to solve the resource problem."

"Well, my understanding is that the city schools are at the maximum given property tax caps. I don't think they have the opportunity to go beyond whatever is available. They… they are at the cap this year and next year there, depending on whether we freeze them or not, there may or may not be revenue available within the cap." 09900067.docx 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"They do have capital and you know, they're looking for… they're looking for options."

"I'm sorry, could you restate the question?"

"Well, you know, but the problem is they have many obligations. They have to meet payroll, for example. They have many other obligations beyond the obligation that is the subject of Senate Bill 437 today."

"That's going to be a very big challenge. And that's why so many issues of alternate revenue sources are definitely on the table."

"Now, the schools do not have access to that… that resource today under state statute."

"Leader Currie to close."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. I appreciate the full discussion. I ask you for the school kids, for the teachers, for all the things we care about when it comes to our educational system to help… to help the Chicago public schools find long-term and short-term solutions to its fiscal problems. I would be grateful for your 'yes' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? One more time. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 53 voting 'yes', 46 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. And the Bill fails. On page 3 of the Calendar, House Bills-Second Reading, House Bill 574, Leader Currie. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you very much, Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 2 to this Bill is identical to provisions about the P3 as we call it, private-public partnership that had already 09900067.docx 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 been approved on a unanimous vote by the Executive Committee. This is the Governor's proposal without the business of the Abraham Lincoln Library and Museum and without changes to the Historic Preservation Agency. But this Amendment is precisely the part about the changes in the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. Amendment 2… I'm sorry. Amendment…"

"The Lady withdraws…"

"I'm sorry."

"…Amendment #1."

"I'm sorry. Thank you."

"She's been explaining Amendment 2. Is that correct, Leader?"

"Yes. Sorry about that. I thought…"

"Amendment 1 is withdrawn. This is Amendment 2. Complete your explanation."

"So, yeah, it's the same explanation that I started out with, as if it were, in fact, Amendment 1. So, this is precisely the proposal to form a separate corporation within DCEO involving people appointed by the Governor, a few by the Legislative Leaders. And this organization would then be able to accept private donations and would make the contributions incentives for businesses, grants and grants and incentive agreements to create more jobs in the State of Illinois. I'd appreciate your support for the Governor's initial language. There are other Amendments that will reflect some of the testimony, some of the ideas, some of the questions and answers we heard when we met as a Committee of the Whole some time ago. So, I'd be happy to answer your questions. But this 09900067.docx 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 has already, as I say, been approved by the Executive Committee."

"Mr. Sandack. This is Amendment 2, Sir."

"You certainly may, Sir."

"It would be an immediate effective date. That's Amendment 2."

"But then we're changing it… There is no effective date in some of the other Amendments."

"I believe we go through Amendment… is it 9? Yeah."

"Yeah, nine Amendments."

"But remember, we're not doing Amendment 1 because we've already done it."

"That's right. Thank you, thank you."

"I'm sorry. Say that again?"

"Right."

"They would add to the Governor's original proposal some of these…"

"Not as introduced."

"Representative Scherer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Leader Currie, I have a question. Concerning non-profit that organizations receive grant programs for summer jobs, et cetera, will this be affected by this Bill?"

"No."

"Thank you. So, it'll run regular under DCEO as it always has?"

"Pardon me?"

"It'll run regular through DCEO as always?" 09900067.docx 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 55 voting 'yes', 10 voting 'no', 32 voting 'present'. And the Amend… Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. The… this Amendment incorporates proposals that were made and were agreed to by the Governor, proposals coming from our staff agreed to by their staff that we believe would improve the transparency, the accountability and just add a lot of clarifying language to that which you heard about in Amendment #2. So, for example, it would… it would provide that the grants are all subject to the Grant Accountability and Transparency Act, finalized agreements and grant agreements and tax incentives, would have to appear on the website within 10 days. There was no deadline in the original language, requires various kinds of reports for appointments to fill vacancies and applies conflict of interest provisions to tax incentives, as well as to grants. I'd be happy to answer your questions. When Director Schultz testified before the Committee of the Whole, he talked about many of these 09900067.docx 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 agreements as being items that would help the operations of the transparency of the new 3P operation."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"This was language that was agreed to in discussions after the Governor's Bill was introduced. Discussions with staff on… legislative staff and with the Governor's Office. Yeah, in fact, they actually did the drafting."

"Yes."

"And you heard… you heard Mr… Director Schultz in Committee of the Whole…"

"…talk about these additional items that they… he approved… the Governor's administration approved, to make this 3P operation a lot better."

"No, I'm talking about…"

"…Amendment 3."

"Representative Hammond."

"Thank you, Representative. Those in favor of the Lady's Amendment will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 61 voting 'yes', 7 voting 'no', 32 voting 'present'. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you. This is just a clarification. In testimony, Director Schultz indicated that he would have final approval of all grants and tax incentives operated by the 3P operation. And… and the… that this just clarifies that that approval does cover grants. That was not clear in the original Bill. This is just then a technical correction that… that actually fits with the director's understanding of his responsibility under the Governor's proposal."

"Those in favor of the Lady's Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'yes', 7 voting 'no', 32 voting 'present'. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk." 09900067.docx 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Mr. Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In light of the conversation that we had last week in the Committee of the Whole, Amendment #5 represents some of the conversations that I had with Director Schultz as it relates to the newly… potentially newly formed corporation that would encourage the corporation to focus on small business development as well as providing incentives and programs designed to assist minority and women-owned businesses and… and businesses that will create jobs in areas of high unemployment or poverty or low- income areas. So, I ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 63 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 38 voting 'present'. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Again, following the conversation that took place last week with the Director of DCEO, House Amendment #6 will… serves to increase the number of gubernatorial board appointees representing minority and/or women-owned businesses from four to at least six. Currently, the board consists of 16 members; the Governor, and then 11 appointed by the Governor and 4 09900067.docx 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 appointed by the Legislative Leaders. Again, we had an interesting conversation about diversity as it relates to this board. And so, this seeks to encourage more diversity on the board than was previously stated."

"Representative Hernandez."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, does this… would you say this is… assures that black and brown and women would be appointed to these positions?" Davis, W.: "Well, I guess, Representative, I… I want to say yes that it would assure because we're putting a particular focus on it. So, to that extent, I would… I would say yes, but of course with a broad definition, we're not quite certain how that diversity will be made up completely. We certainly would encourage for that diversity to be across the board that would include African-American members, Latino members, Indian members, Asian members, if you will, but so, I'm saying yes, but we just have to make sure that we encourage that we have that broad representation and women. Let me not forget women also."

"Well, I do want to thank you because based on last week's testimony with the panelists describing as… I believe it was in Will County… they have a 15-member board and to hear that there was no African American… African Americans on the board, maybe… I think it was 1, maybe, I don't know… more than 1 Hispanic. I do appreciate the insistence on the diversity. So, thank you." 09900067.docx 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 Davis, W.: "Well, the irony in that, Representative, is that sometimes if you don't ask for it, you don't get it. The Gentleman from Will County talked about their board. While the… Will County does have minority, if you will, that live in Will County, but if nobody's ever raised the question, then they just proceed as though it's not a big deal. But for many of us, representing diversity on all of these boards is very, very important. And so, while the… one of the previous speakers talked about whether or not this is the Governor's language or not the Governor's language, well, this is enhancing what the Governor proposed. You know, any opportunity that we have to increase diversity in all areas and all sectors is a good thing. And it's something that we should always be trying to do. The sad part is that we have to codify it; instead of it just happening we have to codify it. But nevertheless, this is the direction that we're moving in."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 36 voting 'present'. And the Amendment is adopted. Leader Turner in the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Crespo." 09900067.docx 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Thank you, Speaker. Floor Amendment #7 to House Bill 574 does four things. First, it makes the transferring of funds to a new corporation, subject to appropriations. It establishes March 31st of each year as the day by which the corporation annual report must be submitted to the General Assembly, the Governor and the Office of Government Accountability and Transparency. It requires a detailed account of how private funds are utilized versus public funds. And it also requires an RI analysis. Happy to answer any questions."

"Seeing no debate, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #7 to House Bill 574?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 64 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', and 35 voting 'present', Floor Amendment #7 is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, during the Committee of the Whole, there was significant conversation about political contributions and we also heard that in some of the states… where there was some corruption in some of the states where there was some difficulties, they flowed from the fact that politicon… political contributions flowed from the members of the committee. And so, Amendment 8 prohibits political contributions to the Governor or a candidate for Governor from board members, businesses with pending 09900067.docx 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 applications for grants totaling more than $50 thousand or any business that has received a grant or tax incentive of more than $50 thousand. This mirrors very closely the language of the Procurement Code. I would ask your support."

"Gentleman moves that the House adopt Floor Amendment #8 to House Bill 574. All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 64 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', and 36 voting 'present', Floor Amendment #8 is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. This Amendment offers a three-year sunset to the whole 3P private-public partnership program within the auspices of the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. I think it's important to have a sunset. We don't know how well this new activity will work. We do know that in countless other states that have tried this approach their programs have been beset by serious problems: conflict of interest problems, misspending problems, excessive salaries, excessive bonuses. I think that we ought to try this approach. Some states seem to find that it does have value, but it's critical for us to know whether or not it works. This should not be one of those items that just hangs out there doing its thing without a careful look by the Legislature to see whether doing its thing is actually improving job opportunities for the citizens of Illinois. 09900067.docx 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 That's why we're proposing the three-year sunset. I hope you will agree with me that a three-year sunset does no damage to the program, but without a sunset, there is a possibility that we will do real damage to the people of Illinois. I'd appreciate your questions and I'd be grateful for your support for the Amendment."

"Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"She indicates that she will."

"I might."

"Well, why don't we talk about Amendment 9, which is before us right now?"

"We can certainly talk about the whole Bill, if we get to it."

"I think it's quite likely." 09900067.docx 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Representative, let's talk about Amendment 9. It's a good Amendment, a strong Amendment. I'd be happy to answer your questions. I'd like to adopt the Amendment."

"Thank you, Members. Please bring the noise level down."

"Representative Sandack."

"I would hope that it would be."

"It seems to be not unreasonable. We often impose sunsets on various programs, and I would think after three years, we'd have a good idea whether there really is good, private participation in funding these grants and incentives, whether at the end of the day the job creation turns out to be worth this approach and the dollars that we spend. As I say, there are too many examples from our sister states wherein numbers got fudged, wherein salaries were excessive, wherein there were conflicts of interest. I think that we would… we have a responsibility to our taxpayers, as we try this new approach, to make sure that we're not buying a pig in a poke and to 09900067.docx 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 make sure that at the end of the day we will be held accountable for the operation of this new agency."

"But we in fact had…"

"…we had testimony in the Committee of the Whole from outside observers suggesting that our… our agency's track record, at least in recent years, had been pretty exemplary when it came to meeting its mission, meeting its goals and doing well for the economy. But never mind, we're prepared to… to work with the Governor with the new approach that he has proposed and that's what this Bill is and this Amendment is just wanting to make sure that we don't turn over the driving wheel without adequate understanding whether the track, whether the road taken is the appropriate one."

"Representative Wheeler on Amendment #9." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor will yield." Wheeler, K.: "Leader, I'm glad to see that you actually voted in favor of creating a version of the public-private partnership. I want to just get your sense of how long you think it will take this endeavor as you ramp up to full speed?"

"I don't know the exact number of months, but I would think that if we're putting very significant dollars into grants and tax incentive programs, that we should be able to see results within the first three years." Wheeler, K.: "I understand, I'm talking about just that building of the infrastructure, getting the word out to business… 09900067.docx 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 potential businesses throughout the entire country that we are actually going to use this tool correctly to build economic development for the State of Illinois. I don't see that happening in the first 6 months, maybe even the first 12 months. Now, you're looking at a window of maybe two years not three."

"Well, I would hope… yeah. I would… I would imagine actually within one year we should have pretty good data. Now, Representative, if in three-year's time we don't have a clue whether it's working because they haven't done enough, then one possibility that the Legislature could pursue would be to extend the sunset for another three years until the data is available. I would also remind the Members of this Assembly that actually last quarter Illinois ranked second in the number of new jobs, new companies coming to Illinois and that by in large our State Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity has been given strong marks by economic development specialists." Wheeler, K.: "Leader, I'm looking at this three-year sunset and I'm trying to figure out why three years was chosen?"

"Three years seemed like time to get things started, time for the Legislature to have a second look and make sure that we didn't run into the same problems that so many other states have run into wherein people are not meeting the terms of the agreement, wherein salaries are excessive, wherein there are serious conflict of interests." Wheeler, K.: "So, you're looking at it from an oversight perspective. I, would in turn that… that…" 09900067.docx 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"But we… we are the oversight. The General Assembly traditionally plays that role. And we should play it with this new approach to economic development as we should with everything else we oversee. That's all… that's all this does. And if we don't have enough information, then the Legislature in three-year's time could choose to extend the sunset. But certainly this will give us the ability to find out what has happened even if it's just startup pains, it'll give us some good information." Wheeler, K.: "Leader, it's my understanding when we have a public- private partnership, we are inviting the private sector to invest in this not-for-profit corporation that will be then used to build economic development for our state and build awareness throughout the country that we're actually serious about bringing jobs and businesses to this state. However, when you only have a three-year sunset and I'm a corporation, I may look at it and say that's… that may not be enough time. They're not going to serious about this and consequently, I'm not going to invest. We're going to hamper the concept of what this could actually be by not giving it enough time. We can always come back and shorten things. We could do… make all the changes. We… we have oversight authority like you've already said. We don't need a sunset to accomplish this."

"We think that it's a whole lot better for the Legislature to be on notice that it has to make a decision whether to continue and if so, for how long or whether to cancel a program that is this new and has experienced so many problems in other states. If I'm a corporation looking to invest in job development in Illinois, I'm not looking at a sunset. I'm 09900067.docx 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 looking at the kinds of items that go into placement decisions: quality of the workforce, quality of the higher education system, quality of the schools, transportation opportunities. What… those are the kinds of things that you look at not whether or not there's a three-year sunset. And of course, a three-year sunset doesn't mean that any grant that's been awarded would be subject to the sunset. What is done is done. But it would say that the whole program needs to come back and give us… make sure we have a good second look." Wheeler, K.: "Leader, we're looking at two different things, I'm afraid. You're talking about the actual recipients of grants and those companies that would be looking to invest in Illinois."

"Right." Wheeler, K.: "I'm looking at the companies who'd actually invest in a public-private partnership. And they want to see a return on that investment. If they're going to put out tens, hundreds, potentially millions of dollars into a program like this, they're going to want to see time enough for that return on investment for the whole state."

"Right, yeah." Wheeler, K.: "Not just for a particular grant. That's why I think this three-year sunset is actually undermining the process of what we've done so far today."

"No, I… I don't agree. And remember, that most of the money in the states that has chosen this group, is public money not private in any case, 70 to 30, 80 to 20, but again, let's find out whether this works. We are willing to go down 09900067.docx 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 the road of compromise. We are willing to take the Governor's bright new idea. We're just trying to make sure that it is workable and that it doesn't expose Illinois taxpayers to the risk that all we're doing is sending money to somebody who's got a conflict of interest, who's pay… paying too much in salaries and not getting back money that was not appropriately invested, that we know what the value of this program actually is before we decide to extend it further. That's all this does. You know when we have most of our tax programs, tax benefits for example, those are subject to sunsets. But companies don't say, oh, I'm not going to invest in Illinois 'cause I might only get the Research and Development Tax Credit for five years. I might only get the EDGE credit for five years. Businesses don't operate that way, Representative."

"Representative Wheeler…" Wheeler, K.: "Thank you."

"…could you bring your remarks to a close?" Wheeler, K.: "Yes, Sir."

"Thank you." Wheeler, K.: "Leader, I asked to beg a difference on some of that because people look at… investors look at a state like Illinois and they look at the long-term prospects and right now, our long-term prospects don't give them much hope. This public-private partnership actually could be a beginning to how we get to where we want to be. I just feel that the sunset undermines the process, undersigns the… undermines the advantage we could have. To the Bill. Again, passing Amendment 9, again, sends the message to businesses who look at Illinois 09900067.docx 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 and say, are they really going to turn it around? Are they going to actually step up for the first time in a long time and make Illinois the right place to invest, the right place to create those jobs that we all need in many… some of our districts. We, again, are doing ourselves a disservice by being shortsighted about the undermine… unintended consequences of this particular Amendment. I urge a 'no' vote."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Speaker. I think this puts the… puts the… puts on notice the managers, the operators of the 3P program to make sure they're doing a job that is accountable and is transparent. And I think that's what the business community looks to if they want to invest either in their own businesses in the state or invest in a program like this. I urge your 'aye' vote."

"Lady moves that the House adopt Floor Amendment #9 to House Bill 574. All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 63 voting 'yes', 10 voting 'no', 27 voting 'present', Floor Amendment #9, having received the requisite amount of votes, is hereby adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Leader Lang in the Chair."

"Chair recognizes Representative Gordon-Booth." 09900067.docx 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was my intent to be a 'yes' on Amendment 1 of House Bill 574 and I would like to be recorded as such. Thank you."

"Record will reflect your intentions. Barbara Wheeler is recognized." Wheeler, B.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the House please excuse Bill Mitchell… Representative Mitchell for the afternoon."

"Thank you, Representative. Mr. Leitch."

"Proceed, Sir."

"Welcome. We're glad you're here with us today. House Bill 574. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. We've debated this Bill along the way all eight of the nine Amendments. And this is the propo… the nugget of the idea behind this Bill came from the Governor's proposal for a private-public partnerships in the name of economic development. We are more than willing to meet the Governor more than halfway. This Bill reflects his original approach with some refinements of our own. We know from experiences in other states that these new ideas do not always work with appropriate transparency and accountability. What we have here is a proposal that will make sure, to the extent that we can, that there are not 09900067.docx 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 conflicts of interest, that the people who are the private members of this new 3P partnership are not actually benefiting from the largesse of the grants and incentives that are offered. We want to make sure that we know at the end of the day that the books are not cooked. We want to know what the actual job creation is. And yes, we want at some defined point in the future to come back and have a careful look about whether this approach actually helps the development of jobs across the State of Illinois and to what extent those jobs are good paying jobs to what extent they have stability. I would be happy to answer your questions. And I urge your 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Leader yields."

"I wanted to talk…"

"…because I wanted to talk about Amendment 9, that's why."

"Too often… too often in this chamber people, when speaking longer, they talk about issues that are not before the Body. Amendment 9…"

"My intentions…"

"My intentions were honorable. They always are."

"Then… you mean of the Governor's proposal?"

"I don't know. I don't know."

"I don't know. I know that the Quinn turnaround legacy made Illinois the second state in the nation in terms of job creation in the last quarter of 2014. I do think that's pretty much a feather in the old cap. And I think that when we see what's happened in other states, there are risks with a public-private partnership as the main tool for economic development. But I am willing to give the Governor's idea a shot. I'm willing to help make sure that we minimize the risks that we've seen, have called other states activities into serious question. And I'm willing to say that at some point down the road, we'll have another look to see if it really was an effective approach to job development."

"I… you know, the answer is I do not know. And that's…"

"I think… I think that as it is structured there's a good chance that it will be effective. More effective…"

"…less effective, hard to tell."

"Some of them seem to be effective. A lot of them, as I say, came a cropper. A lot of them were beset with major scandals and other difficulties."

"No, I…"

"I didn't say that at all. What I said is…"

"…here's…"

"Excuse me? Want to rephrase…"

"Was that a question?"

"I would hope that much of what we do in Illinois State Government in fact is fraud free."

"But I don't know…"

"And then I invite you…"

"…I invite you to join me in voting 'yes'…"

"…for House Bill 574."

"We… we incorporated Amendment #3. And actually, that was not discussed in the… in the working group, but Amendment 4 reflects what Director Schultz told us his responsibility would be when he appeared before the Committee of the Whole."

"Mr. Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Davis, W.: "Representative, contrary to what the last speaker just said, the Governor's underlying proposal is in this Bill. Is it not?"

"It is." Davis, W.: "Okay. And we just adopted a series of Amendments that add to it, correct?"

"I would say improve it." Davis, W.: "I probably would… would agree with that as well that if there's no specific language that talks about increasing diversity. There's was no specific language that talked about the impact of what this organization would do as it relates to underserved communities. That kind of additional language does improve such a piece of legislation, correct?"

"Yes." 09900067.docx 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 Davis, W.: "Thank you very much. To the Bill. So, we've heard previous speakers particularly from that side of the aisle talk about that this is not necessarily the Governor's proposal. I didn't realize that we were limited only to what the Governor proposed and that we're not able to add more to try to make it better or at least what we think is better or at least those thing that are important to the districts that we represent, the districts that we serve. So, if I reflect on the Committee of the Whole, when asked is there going to be some element of geographic priority and small business priority since they have most of the jobs, the DCEO Director replied I think our responsibility at the state level is broad-based both for large employers, small employers, individual entrepreneurs and people that want to go back to work. So, I think it will have all of the elements of what… that as that person suggested here both geographically and industries specific. So, again, the DCEO Director is talking about ways in which we can improve the Bill. Again, when asked… when asked if the previ… if that person asking the question was alluding to that we are… that we have areas of the state that are really suffering with lost jobs, lost employers, and is part of the focus or do we look at where the opportunity… where there is an opportunity to grow, the DCEO Director said no. I think we have a responsibility, particularly, in low to moderate-income areas to create opportunities for companies to look at differently. Perhaps that will include incentives. Some of the legislation that we hope to propose this fall will include some of that as well. So, again, the DCEO Director is commenting on ways to make, 09900067.docx 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 presumably, the Governor's proposal better. When asked what percentage of the money or incentives has to have gone to businesses with 50 employers or less, the director commented, I don't have the metrics on that, but I don't believe that it's a substantial enough number, I think we ought to be more focused on small business creation. I think that's the driver of our economy and I think we ought to lose… use, excuse me, less dollars going toward large businesses. Again, when asked, my issue is this, I see a lot of money going to companies that have 2 thousand employees, 10 years later they have 2 thousand employees and then they are begging for more tax money. I've seen money not going to companies with 10 employees in that five years that still… that now have 100 employees. Is it cheaper to invest in seeds then to buy corn? Again, the DCEO Director embraced all of these kinds of issues as terms of making the original proposal better. As it relates to diversity, the director commented that it's an important element again to foster minority business development and we have intended with… within this a dedicated small business and minority business division. Again, he's talking about ways in which he thought the Bill was trying to make this effort better. And again, as we continue on, we've heard numerous opportunities for the DCEO Director to comment on ways in which he thought it could be better. So, what you in… what you see encapsulated in these Amendments, are these kinds of efforts. Now, what's interesting about what I've heard from the other side is that there was a lot of interest in trying to hurry up to pass the Turnaround Agenda because it's going to make things better in the State of Illinois. Let's 09900067.docx 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 hurry up and do it. So, here, we're just putting a small window on encouraging that kind of investment and now we're hearing, well, let's take our time and do it. Three years is too short; let's extend it out longer and longer and longer. Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, I think many of you would say we don't have that kind of time. We need to make these efforts right now in order to try to make the State of Illinois better or have a better business climate. So, let's not focus on a three-year sunset. Let's just push forward and encourage businesses that if they really want to do business here in the State of Illinois, that this is an effort, this is an opportunity using our Department of Commerce and making changes to it to encourage them to hurry up and make the State of Illinois better. So, don't worry about the sunset. Let's just work hard and pass this Bill to make the State of Illinois better. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 60 voting 'yes', 8 voting 'no', 34 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Chair recognizes Mr. Ford."

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to make a comment to the colleagues in… on Charleston, South Carolina, from the Body here, that I urge them to remove the flag from their Capitol Building. And once again, I just want to urge our 09900067.docx 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 colleagues in South Carolina to remove the Confederate Flag from their Capitol Building. Thank you."

"Representative Ammons."

"Thank you. I ask the Assembly to rise in a moment of silence for the victims in a small dedication to them and their families. I'd like to begin by reading their names: Cynthia Hurd, 54 years old; Susie Jackson, 87 years old; Ethel Lee Lance, 70 years old; Reverend DePayne Middleton-Doctor, 49 years old; Reverend Clementa Pinckney, 41 years old; Tywanza Sanders, 26 years old; Reverend Daniel L. Simmons, 74 years old; Reverend Sharonda Coleman Singleton, 45 years old; and Myra Thompson, 59 years old. As their families grapple with this great loss, our country also grapples with the issue of affordable health care, education reform, economic stability in the face of mass shootings that took place at Mother Emanuel AME Church in South Carolina. As shocking as it is, it is a reminder though to us of the racial and violence in American history, which have become shamelessly reacquainted as a result of this senseless killing. The senseless mass shooting has shaken a community and a nation and is only made more horrifying by what has happened and by whom. This young man took the life of nine innocent people in a place that should be a place of refuge and safety. We urge not only South Carolina to deal with the issue of the flag, but it is second to the issue of racial hatred and violence that has taken place numerous times across this country and across the South not in the '60s but in the 1990s and the 20… 20th century. We began to ask for reconciliation in the way that is truthful and honest and to deal with the racial demons 09900067.docx 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 that come out as a result of policy in State Houses across this country. And we ask that our families be remembered and the families of those who have lost loved ones in this year and may God bless and keep their families as they struggle through this very difficult time. Thank you."

"Body will take a moment of silence. Thank you, Representative. You may be seated, Members. Moving to page 9 of the Calendar, under the Order of Concurrence, there appears House Bill 245, Mr. Zalewski. Out of the record. House Bill 1485, Mr. Brown. Please proceed, Sir."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Wallace. Please take the record. On this question, there are 103 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And the House does concur with Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 1485. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3485, Mr. Davis. Please proceed, Sir." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 3485. The 09900067.docx 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 Amendment #2 simply clarified what the composition of the Fair Practices Task Force… Fair Practices and Contracting Task Force would be and makes… and it adds, in particularly, a Representative from the Illinois African-American Family Commission."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 104 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And the House does concur with Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 3485. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3538, Mr. Wheeler. Please proceed, Sir." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3538. Senate Amendment #1 simply excludes Cook County from the effect of the Bill regarding poker runs throughout the State of Illinois."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Gabel, Hoffman. Gabel. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 80 voting 'yes', 22 voting 'no'. And the House concurs with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3538. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3593, Representative Ives. Please proceed."

"Tho… Mr. Hays."

"Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. And want to thank Representative Hays for his comments as well. I echoed… echo those comments wholeheartedly. In House Bill 3593 it was a reaction to a situation in DuPage and to a specific President who also did the same thing in another college. So, it's not the first time there. So, it is the traditional one bad apple. And I understand the scope of the problem that brought legislation like this forward, but I find it curious that if we're talking about this being a good policy and sending these forward, we don't have public universities that are included in this. We also are… quit making it more difficult for community college like mine, Illinois Valley Community College, to recruit and keep people. It's a broad-brush stroke which removes some of the local control. I'm very proud of our trustees and our board. I think they've done an excellent job. And if we're going to do this specifically, I think it is the job of the DuPage County trustees to go and do this. My understanding is that there are hearings going on specifically into this matter this summer. And I believe the Senate Higher Ed Committee was told this Bill would be held until after those hearings this summer, and the deadline would be extended to the fall Veto Session. And so, I have the concern that this is a knee-jerk reaction which will have a not positive impact for downstate. So, I thank Representative Hays for his comments. And I will also respectfully be voting 'no'. I would hope that the 09900067.docx 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 hearings would produce something usable for the whole state which does not damage or cause more difficulties downstate and at our treasured community colleges."

"Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, that… it's my understanding as well that the Senate Sponsor had agreed to… to what the Senate Education Com… Higher Education Committee to hold this pending some summer hearings. Do you know what happened over there that the Bill got out of… got out of the chamber?"

"Do you know whether the Senate is going to pursue this and have those hearings over the course of the summer?"

"And Representative, is there a reason you didn't… that you agreed with the Senate Amendments that were being proposed or what… why you did not file a Motion to Nonconcur?"

"So… so, Representative, you make a calculation that it would be easier to pass it this way than to… than to continue to push for the Bill that you passed?"

"All right. I just wanted to make sure that the political considerations were taken into… into account. Thank you."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I'm trying to get some understanding in terms of what the process you approach this legislation with. Has the… Where is the Illinois Community College Board in this regard… in this legislation?"

"They were very proud…"

"…to stand in opposition?"

"Okay. That's interesting. So… so, they're against this legislation as well?"

"Well, yeah, I can't speak to every colleague. Where is the Illinois Community College Trustees Association?"

"Like it's 1989?"

"Ninety-nine."

"I can tell you're not a Prince fan." 09900067.docx 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Okay. So, let's try to get through some of the finality or some more of the nice specifics of this legislation. Essentially, you're trying to limit a severance package for 12 months?"

"So, do you have an idea of the funding sources or streams of a community college on average?"

"Sort of what… what that apparatus looks like?"

"So, by and large, our community college system is about… a really a loc… having a local presence in that community. That's probably why they're called the community college, correct?"

"But the very nature of a co… the very nature of a community college is so it can be governed locally by the community, correct?"

"So, do you think… in light of, you know… I mean, there are what 48 community colleges across this state, roughly? One of them is going to have an issue similar to this. There are going to be possibly more. So, you think we should change 09900067.docx 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 State Law to govern local community colleges because of a college in your district went sort of off the plantation or excuse me, the reservation?"

"But Representative…"

"Are you blaming this on the Democrats?"

"I'm to helping… and this is one college out of 48 colleges, correct?"

"But that's… but that's."

"Well…"

"Well…"

"…well, it's relative, too, Representative. You… you highlighted very accurately the funding sources of community colleges: tuition and fees, property taxes… a large portion of what they see come from the community that they serve. And a… another portion, maybe a third or a quarter percent, some less than that, comes from the State of Illinois. As the Appropriations Chair, that's how the funding is. I'm… as to further educate you on how it's broken down. And so I think, with us coming full throttle because one college ran across some, you know, sort of a publicized tiff with its President or its leadership that we should be changing all of the community colleges as a result of one of the 48 community colleges."

"I mean…"

"Representative…"

"Representative…"

"Representative, the… the Illinois Community College Board, the Illinois Community College Trustees Association are opposed to this legislation. They are the ones who either are the trustees of these community colleges or more importantly, the Illinois Community College Board, they're 09900067.docx 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 the ones who govern and regulate community colleges. And they are opposed to this legislation. And so, what I'm simply…"

"…trying to highlight to you…"

"…is how is it and why is it that we should change the entire community college system across the State of Illinois because one community college that happens to touch or is located in your district that we should change the entire paradigm of what it is and how it is that we govern community colleges…"

"…and given… given the fact that we give them a very small revenue allocation. I'm… what I'm… what I'm arguing or trying to get some clarification is how is it that…"

"Yes, we do, Representative. Not relative to…"

"Representative…"

"Representative…"

"…why don't you read the Bill, Representative? You know, I can… we can read… read reports all day. Let's speak to… specifically to the Amendments." 09900067.docx 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"I haven't read every report."

"I have not read your report. I want you to speak to the… the Amendment, Representative. That's what we're… we're arguing and discussing here today, correct?"

"Well…"

"…speak to the Amendment…"

"…of why is…"

"My goodness. Representative, I…"

"Can I get a word in?"

"Can I get a question in?"

"Can I get a question in?"

"Oh, my gracious, Lord. Representative, I'm simply trying to make a point of clarification of the legislation. There are reports all… all day long. What I'm simply saying is, this state provides roughly 20 percent, maybe a little bit more, but most of the time less, in terms of allocations to our community colleges. And every shoe does not fit the same 09900067.docx 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 because the College of DuPage had an issue this year and it was highlighted in the media that we should change the entire dynamic of how we legislate locally community colleges when we only allocate a small portion of funds to them. The lion's share of community colleges in this state receives this from…"

"…property taxes, from tuition, from mandatory fees…"

"…from federal allocation. We give a small and so, you're paying a…"

"Minority? I wouldn't… Huh?"

"Mr. Dunkin."

"It… it's her, Mr. Speaker."

"She won't let me… she won't answer the question or allow me…"

"Representative…"

"To the Bill."

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I respect my colleague and I certainly understand what her angst is and her intention is to try to rein in a problem in some of our community colleges. So, I'm not condemning her by no means. But what I'm simply saying, when you have the Illinois community colleges, the state regulator, when you have the Illinois Community College Trustee Association opposed to this legislation because there are one bad apple, lots of opinions. These… in the… in the local newspaper, the media, et cetera. I can't account for why the story elevated to the level that it did, but I can say this, if you have our state's Community College Board, our state's Illinois Community College Trustee Association, who do a pretty decent job at regulating and controlling spending costs, many of us here we sit on boards. We ask tough questions from Hospital Associations to local community organizations as well as community colleges. And we have, by and large, most of us have a very strong fiscal grasp in debt of spending at community colleges. We also understand, which was highlighted from some of my colleagues prior to, that it's very challenging and difficult to attract and retain certain leaders to our community colleges for various reasons. And I think this legislation simply handcuffs. It ties the hands of the college trustees, of the leaders who are representing a lot of these community colleges and this is a bad Bill, it's a bad precedent that we want to set merely because one community college, a very wealthy community college, and it received a tremendous amount of support maybe because of that, but it does not… This Bill should not allow us to condemn other community colleges across the state. And 09900067.docx 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 it makes sense or you… gives one pause especially if the other community colleges are opposed to the legislation. If other community trustees who try their best… by the way, they volunteer to be community college board trustees and they're opposed to this legislation as well because we do not want to restrict them in their creative way of attracting and retaining talented individuals. This is big government or a nanny approach to trying to handicap, handcuff, 48 community colleges because of one. It's a bad piece of legislation. I would encourage a 'no' vote."

"Mr. Kay."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Brown."

"Thank you, Sir. Mr. Sullivan."

"We could get back to you."

"Mr. Hays."

"Mr. Bennett."

"Sponsor yields." 09900067.docx 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Mr. Sandack."

"Mr. Phillips."

"Mr. Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I just heard one of the previous speakers aye… say that three years was too long, correct? Long enough? Oh, okay. You were just saying that three years is okay for this, but for a sunset it's too long. Okay. Never mind, never mind. To the Bill. One of the things that… that I'm hearing in this debate is we're talking about a community college that spends an enormous amount of money on things that are appear to be very wasteful, if you will, and that's fine. I understand that, but for me what it implies is that is there's just way too much money in DuPage County. Way too much money. If they're able to tax their residents and spend millions and millions of dollars, they have way too much money on that in DuPage County. And maybe we need to consider ways in which they can share their wealth with other poorer parts of the state, you know, to help other community colleges that don't have that kind of resource available. Maybe we need to consider how DuPage County can share its resource with other parts of the state when we're trying to reform the way we fund schools in the State of Illinois. Maybe there are things that we should consider in this debate with the… with regards to DuPage County in that respect because we hear a lot of DuPage County, you know, the schools are struggling. The K-12 schools are struggling. They don't have enough resource. If we adopt or 09900067.docx 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 pass Senate Bill 1 or Senate Bill 16, they'll go in the hole. They'll close their doors. Hear all of that. Well, clearly, there's a lot of resource in DuPage County. So, maybe those folks that represent DuPage County won't be so adamant in not supporting education funding reform when those Bills come up, so that we can spread that wealth to other parts of the state."

"Representative Bellock."

"Representative Ammons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"I just wanted to clarify two things that I didn't hear."

"It's a little noisy. The board of trustees in DuPage County they are elected."

"They are elected members. And two, in this field, these ideas that came forward which I think are good ideas, why… 09900067.docx 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 why didn't you apply this strictly to DuPage County? Why the whole state?"

"Can I just ask one additional question about the board of trustees? So, this issue that took place in DuPage County all of these members are elected."

"Were there any accountability on the trustees that allowed this? Obviously, they had to vote for these severance packages at the trustee level."

"And were there any criminal charges filed against for the misappropriation of these funds?"

"Thank you so much."

"Representative Ives to close."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill requires 71 votes. Those in favor of the Lady's Amen… or excuse me. Those in favor of the Lady's Concurrence Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 51 voting 'yes', 44 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. And the Motion fails. On the Nonconcurrence Calendar, page 10 on the Calendar, Senate Bill 838, Mr. Rita is recognized. Mr. Rita."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're going to nonconcur in House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 838."

"So, what you're asking is that you want to recede…"

"Recede… recede from House Amendment #3."

"Would you tell us what the Amendment did, Sir?" 09900067.docx 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"We were including the auctioneers, but there's been a drafting error in the way we included them in these sunset Acts. But it does have the other provisions for the sunset Acts to… to be extended. So, we're just going to pull that part out. It was all agreed to. It was just a drafting error."

"Mr. Sandack on the Motion."

"Sixty votes, Sir."

"I'm sorry, Sir, I've been… I've been… I've been corrected. It requires 71 votes. Those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion to Recede will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Ple… Kifowit. Please take the record. On this question, there are 101 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And the House does recede with… from Senate Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 838. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Brown is recognized."

"Thank you, Sir. Mr. Sandack."

"State your inquiry."

"The House will be in Session on Tuesday and on Wednesday next week, Sir. We'll be in at noon on Tuesday."

"Well, it's too earlier to tell you about July."

"Yeah."

"Wait 'til July. On Supplemental Calendar #1, under the Order of Resolutions, there appears House Resolution 559, Representative Wallace. There is an Amendment. Please proceed on your Amendment."

"I ask that Amendment 1 be adopted. It simply clarifies who will be involved with the task force."

"So, the Amendment's already been adopted. I apologize, Representative. Just explain your… explain your Resolution."

"Okay. Res… House Resolution 559 creates a Rockford Violent Crime Task Force to delve into the issues related to the crime in Rockford. Unfortunately, we are one of the highest crime-ridden communities throughout the state. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Resolution will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Cabello, Kifowit. Please take the record. On this question, there are 100 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And the Resolution is adopted. The Chair recognizes Mr. Dunkin." 09900067.docx 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A pers… point of personal privilege. I'd like…"

"Proceed, Sir."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce my nephew, Jaylen, here and my son, Kendall Dunkin. Welcome them to the chamber."

"Welcome to the House chamber. You're here just in time. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Those in fa… Leader Currie moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. The Chair recognizes Representative Golar. Representative."

"Mr. Speaker, point of personal privilege."

"Proceed."

"I would like to celebrate my seatmate. She celebrated her birthday last week. And it is Representative Litesa Wallace. And if you all would give her some love right now. Thank you."

Speaker Lang: "Happy birthday, Representative. Ladies and Gentlemen, leaving Perfunctory time for the Clerk, pursuant 09900067.docx 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 67th Legislative Day 6/23/2015 to House Joint Resolution 85, the House will adjourn until Tuesday, June 30 at the hour of 12 noon or until the call of the Speaker. We are adjourned."