The hour of one having arrivedy the Senate eil1 please come to order. If the Members will please rise, and our friends tn the gallery please rise, for the purpose of the prayer. The prayer today Will be given by.Senator Geo-Karis. Senator Geo-Karis.
(Prayer by Senaeor Geo-Karis)
A1l right. There has been a request from Illinois Information Service, WclA-channel WCIS <slc> and WAND-TV to tape the proceeding today. Obviously, something may happen. Is leave granted? Leave is granted.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) We will now have the reading of the Journals. Senator Butler.
Madam President, move that reading and approval of the Journals of Tuesday excuse mey Thursday, June 24th7 Mondayr June 28th7 Tuesday, June 29th7 and Wednesday, June 30th; and Thursday, July 1st, in the year 1993, be postponedr pendlng arrival of the prlnted Journals.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator -- Butler moves to pcstpone the reading and approval of the Journal, pending arrival of the printed transcripts. There being no objectlon, ls so ordered. Committee Reports, Mr. Secretary.
Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rules reports that the following Legislative Measures have been asslgned to committees: To the Committee on Education the Conference Committee Report to House Bill 5087 to the Executive Committee - Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 6777 to the Committee on Insurance, Pensions and Llcensed Acttvities - motion to concur STATE OF ILLINOIS , 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 With House Anendments 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 420) to the Committee on Revenue - motion to concur with House Amendment 5 to Senate Bill 100) and Be Approved for Consideration - motlcns to . concur with House Amendment No. 4 to Senate Bill 956, and House i Amendmpnt NO. 1 tO Senate Joint Resolution 14. ' 1
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Mr. Secretary, Messages from the House.
Message fron the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. j Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has concurred With the Senate in the adoption of the following joint resolution, to Wit: Senate Joint Resolution 14, wlth House Amendment No. 1. Passed the House, July 1st, 1993. A Message from the House by Mr. Rossir Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has concurred with the Senate in the passage of a bill of the following title, to wit: Senate Bill 706, together with the following amendnents which are attachedr in the adcption of which I am lnstructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Amendments 1 and 2. ! I Passed the House, as amended, July 2nd, 1993, by a three-fifths vote. A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that ! I the House of Representatives has refused to recede from their I Amendment No. 1 to a bill of the following title, to wit: Senate Bill 301. I am further directed to inform the Senate that the House of ; I Representatives requests a First Committee of Conference, to ! . 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2. 1993 consist of five Members from each House, to consider the ! I differences of the two Houses in regard to the amendment to the bill. Action taken by the Houser July 2nd, 1993. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ' I Senator Dunn? Senator Dunn, didyouwishtoaccedetothe request of the House for a conference report? Senator -- Senator 1 i Tom Dunn? This is a Message on 301. The House has requested a conference conmiktee. Senator Dunn. SENATOR T. DUNN: I Thank you, Madam President. I move to accede to the 1 Conference Committee No. 1. !
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARJS) Motion by Senator Dunn to accede to -- the request for the Conference Committee No. l from the House. A1l those in favor, 1 say -- say Aye. A1l opposed, No. The Ayes have itr in the opinion of khe Chair.
Message from the House by Mr. Rossir Clerk. Mr. President - T am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatlves has adopted the following joint resolution , in the adoption of which I am lnstructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate , to wlt : House Joint Resolution 63 . Adopted by the House r July 1st , 1993. And we have a like Message cn House Joint Resolution 65. They 're bcth substantive . A Message fron the House by Mr . Rossi, Clerk . Mr . President - I am directed to inform the Senate that ehe Hcuse of Representatlves has adopted the following joint resolution, in the adoption of which I am asked -- or instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate , to wit : 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 ! House Joint Resolution 62. Adopted by the Housez July 1st, 1993. I It's congratulatory.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) . Consent Calendar, please. Resolutions.
Senate Resolution 682, offered by Senator Hall. It's congratulatory, Madam President. i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Consent Calendar. SECRETARY HARRY: ; Senate Resolution 683, offered by Senators Watson, Hall and others . i It's substantive. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I . Senator Watson.
Yes. Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to suspend the rules and move for immediate consideration of Senate Resolution : 683. I understand that this has been cleared by both sides of the aisle. It deals With urging the Olympic Committee - the Olympic Festival Committee in St. Louis - to consider a site in Fairview I Heights for the baseball competition. !
PRESIDTNG OFFJCER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) A11 right. Those in favor: say Aye. In Senator Watson's ! motion to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of this resolution, those in favor, please say Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The Ayes have itw in the opinion of the Chair. Senator Watson has noved for the adcption ! of Resolution No. 683. Those in favor, say Aye. Those opposed, Nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have itr and the mokion isadopted. 1 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS I 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SCNATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 SECRETARY HARRY: (microphone cutoffl..-Resolution 684, offered by Senators Jacobs, Demuzio and others. It's substantivez Madam President. i . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARTS) Senator Jacobs. ' SENATOR JACOBS: Thank you, Madan President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I ask that We suspend the appropriate rules to have immediate consideration and -- adoption of Senate Rgsolution 684. What it isr is a resolution by a11 Senatorsr requesting that khe President consider the -- the devastated flood damages as a federal disaster area. PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) Senator Jacobs moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 684. Those in favor, please say Aye. Those opposed: Nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. I Senator Jacobs has moved for the adoption of Senate Resolution 684. Those in favor, say Aye. A11 opposed. The -- in the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes bave itr and the motion is adopted. And the resolution is carried. With leave of the Body, we Will go to the Secretary's Desk for Resolutions on page 9. Mr. Secretary. SECRETARY HARRY: Senate Resolution 667, offered by Senator O 'Malley. PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O 'Malley? Senator O'Malley? Senate Resolution 667. SENATOR O 'MALLEY: Madam Chairman, Members of the Senate, Senate Resolution 667 uill direct the Health Facilities Planning Board to study the effeck *hat hospital medical staff membership and clinical privilege decisions based upon economic factors have on access to I 5 STATE OP ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 i care, continuity of carer and availability of physician services to patients. Pursuant to the -- the -- the resolution, the Board would submit an initial report of its finding to the Governor and the General Assembly by January lr 1994, and shall submit . subsequent reports, as necessary, from time to time. . .. tmicrophone cutoffl...are any questicns, I'd be pleased to answer them. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion? Any discussions? Senator DeAngelis. ! SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Madam President. In the course of discussion on this particular billr which demonstrates a concern for the manner in which doctors are treated when it comes to economic 1 credentialing, it was also noted that perhaps another area of difficulty is ln their nembership and their own medical groups. And I recommended that this studyy if passed, include the study of the economic credentialing policies of group practices. Senator O 'Malley and the State Medical Society both agreed . I Would then like the record to show that included in this process will be the study of that, and if that ts not included in, then the study will be deemed to not. have fu1filled What it was designed to do. Senator O 'Malley, do you agree with that? PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O $Malley . SENATOR O 'MALLEY : Senator DeAngellsw T have no objectlon to the inclusion of -- of that -- that being added to khe study, and I -- and I think the suggestion was well made and -- and I do accept it. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Mccracken . SENATOR MCCRACKEN : Thank you. Will the sponsor yield? 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Leglslative Day July 2r 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates hefll yield. SENATOR MCCRACXEN: ' Senator, I -- I Was advised that there was going to be something in writing to that effect of that eommitment to include the subject matter Senator DeAngelis refers to. Is that correct?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O 'Malley.
Thank you, senator. I was at the committee neeting last evening where this was diseussed, and it was my understanding that the -- the direction would actually be forthcomin: fron the -- ! from khe committee itself. However, if you would prefer that it : be done by Senator DeAnqelis, I would be pleased to siqn it as Well, as the sponsor of this resolution. I ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ' Senator Mccracken. I I
I Yeah. I -- I Was under khe impression there Was going to be 1 I somethlng in writing to this effect. Was the Medical Society to I sign that as Well, do you know? Or -- or -- does anyone know the I details of this? ! I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Senator O'Malley. 1
Again, senator Mecracken. my understanding -- and I Wa: a -- a Witness to the diseussion in committee last evening; however, my understanding of it was that Senator DeAngelis wanted a letter directed from the eommittee, along with this resolution, to the Faeilities Planning Board. And I'm only offering that I would be pleased to sign that letter as the sponsor of this resolution.
PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I 7 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Senator Mccracken.
Xes. That's fine. Thank you. I appreciate that. The Hospital Associaticn, after What had become a very bitter and protracted struggle, has agreed that with something in writing or that comnitment, that it would agree to this resolution. There had been concerns voiced about the forum cf this fact-finding committee, the Hea1th Planning Facilities Boardr and Whetherr ln fact, the scope of the resolution Was too narrow. Senator DeAngelis' concerns, I thinkr broaden the scope adequately, that ' the Hospital Association feels that it .should no longer be in opposition to the resolution, and I therefore stand in support. 1 PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Any further discussion? Senator Demuzlo. I
Thank you, Madam President. I an operating under the same I assumptiony Senator Mccrackenr khat in fact, the Illlnois -- that 1 the -- the party to Whlch you had a resolution has signed on to I this. It was represented ta me this morning, there in fact is now an agreement. And thereforey I -- I -- I Would assume that it i uould not be necessary for us to 9et into any protracted long -- long debate with respect to this. And so I Would rise With the ; understanding that there is, in faetr a compromise now, and I ! Would ask for support from those Members.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Karplel.
Thank you, Madam President. As Chairman of the Executive 1 Committeey I will be Writing that letter to the Health Facilities Planning Board, to ask them to include in their study the group -- the group medical care services: and that Will be going out as soon as I get to it. But it -- it -- it was agreed upon - agreed 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 to in the committee by a11 parties - and the letter Will be going to then. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! r Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor Will vote Aye. Those Who oppose it will vote Nay. The voting is noN open. Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted -- Who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Yeas, none voting Nay, none voting Present, and this resolution is hereby adopted. Senatcr Rauschenberger. Senator Rauschenbergerr do you Wish to call your . I resolution, Senate Resolution 668? Mr. Secretary, read the Resolution 668. '
Senate Resolution 668, offered by Senator Rauschenberger. !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Senator Rauschenberger, to explain the resolution.
In the midst of the budget discussions wetre having ncw, I ! think -- and the fact that over the last five or six years, Wedve had a hard time getting our budgets done on time and that therefs a 1oE of confusion ancng members of the General Assembly, nany times, exactly what the budget is and What we're voting on, I've offered a resolution late in the Session and asked for a suspension of the rules so that we can consider forming a group to take a look at budgeting procedures from a -- kind of a macro point of view, kake a look at the potentlal of taking a look at maybe some long-range planning for some of our departments so that we can come to this process next year with better information. It's a pretty safe little resclutiony and I think it makes some sense. It'11 give some of us an opportunity to work this summer and this fall on budgeting as a process. I urge a -- a favorable 1 vote. 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislatlve Day July 2, 1993
PRESIDING QFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion? Senator Severns.
Thank you, Madam President. Would the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will.
Senator, what is the purpose behind the six-to-three disparity between the appointments of the Senate President and the Minority Leader?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Rauschenberger.
Well, initiallyy when -- when we kind of put this together, We Were hoping to resolve ourselves into three task force -- three task forces of three people: two Republicans and a Democrat was the initlal idea behind the -- the process. I don't know Who 's going to be appointed, so I can't speak that that w1l1 be that's the intent anyway. Because in smaller groups: ue'd have the opportunity to meet over the summer When we're not in Session, and with everybody having being part-time legislators, as We arey that -- that was the origlnal conception behind lt. When I was approached by -- when there was a staff -- a staff amendment offered, asking for even Members on the the thing, I suggested we would be willing to change lt to slx to four, bu* I donlt Want - - I want to be able to -- to form and have quorums.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Severns.
Thank you, Madam President. Senator, as one who's cosponsored the GAP bill with Senator Fitzgerald and you and many others, and 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 1 as one who has been very interested in this issue, I don't view it as a bipartisan issue. After we finish the budget this year, : we'11 be reminded even more, the fiscal mess in this State is a bipartisan mess. Why, when this resolution says youdre creating a task forcey did you not go ahead and diminish the disparity between the appointments? Having six Republicans and three ! Democrats appointed to this task force simply does nct nake sense. Any recommendation that energes from this task force, if a I reconmendation emergesr wil1 need - you know and I know - bipartisan support. Why don't ue go back, since there's no l . timetable on this, do it right from the beginning, rather than invite division from the beginning? It's an important issue that deserves our attention. I wish: quite franklyy that -- Ehat the I bill had moved forward in this General Assembly, and I think it's unfortunate that it did not. But if we have an opportunity to address 1t, let's do lt rlght. This resolution does not do it.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Senator Rauschenberger, do you wish to close?
I -- I certainly appreciate the fact that -- that -- you've got a lot more wisdone a lot more experience. There's a 1ot of Members here thak know a lot more about the process and how to do resolutlons right. And I can certainly see that anything about i any resolution could use refinement or adjustment, but I'd like to qo ahead with this resolution as it stands. Unfortunately, there were no suggeseions offered or amendments ln commlttee that could have made changes in the... I stand correctedr then. There Was an amendment suggesting that We have equal -- equal relationship between both. I thou:ht it Was withdrawn. There Was not a sponsor on it initially. I guess Senator Demuzio offered to Spcnsor it. But I appreciate the comments and the interest, but T kould like to go ahead With this resolution. 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Demuzio .
Well, thank youy Madam Chair. I -- in facty T did offer a resolution for six and six, and I -- I withdrew it because I uas . under the inpression that we had another amendment; that there had I beendiscussionsthathadtookplace;thatsomehoworother there l I was going to be an agreement that it was golng to be six and four. I And so when I withdrew the six and sixy six and four never came by. You had the votes, so we put it out to six to three. But I - - I really don't see any -- this is sort of a bipartisan ! resolutian that we a11 support, and I don't know why you just don't make it six and four. And so, there Was a -- there was a , suggestion in committee, and in fact, we -- we Withdrew -- the resolution <sic>. I want to put that into the record.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Any further discusslcn? Hearlng noner Senator Rauschenberger, to close.
I -- I'd just like everyone to know that we did offer to make ît s1x and four; The lssue Ls, T don't think -- it's not a partisan issue at all. The idea is, I would like to be able to convene this . Many times, when you end up with an equally divided, you -- you -- in case there's any kind of discussions that are controversial, you have a hard time meeting. The report from this commisslcn, or this task forcey would not be binding. The idear the goal that I would like to laok at is a three-year budget planning horizon for our executive departments. I'd like to develop some reporting formsy hopefullyy for some of the executive departnents to use, so that we have a benchmark to hold our agencies to. I -- I'm sorry that -- that itds... Thank you. T -- T'd like to see you get to Congress first, and then I will 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS ! 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY 1 REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 j i . consider that, working from your base. But I -- I'm sorry that I people see this as controversial. I think, you knokr the idea of ; ! negotiating this resolution is just kind of like negotiating the l budget. I just think, you know, itds time We get off our tailbone and do something, and I just Wanted sonething to vote onr sc I . I ; would appreclate a favorable vote.
PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Mr. Rauschenberger just closed, and he's movlng the adoptlon ! of Resolution 668. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those Who -- who oppose it will vote Nay. And the -- the voting is noW open. Have a1l voted whc kish? Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On this questionr there are 32 Yeas, none votin: No, 26 voting Present. And this resolution is hereby adopted. With leave of the Body, we 'll go to Conference Committee Reports on page 10, for the purpose of considerlng House Bill 300. Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary, do you have on file a Conference Copmitteë Report on Hou:e B1ll 300?
First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 300.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The Chair recognizes Senator Mahar.
Thank you, Madam President, Members. I would ask that the Body reject the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 300, and 1 would further request that a second conference committee be appointed.
PRESJDTNG OFFJCER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Mahar requests a Second Conference Committee Report and asks the rejection of the First Conference Committee Report. A11 those -- is there any discussion on this? Any discussion? Hearing none, the question isy shall the Senate adopt the Conference -- adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 300. Qhose in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The f I voting is open. Take the record, please. On that question, there I are 30 Naysr 6 voting Year 1 voting -- 6 voting Yeas, 30 Nays and l voting Present. And this Conference Committee Report is not adoptedr and the Secretary shall so inform the House. Messages from the House, Mr. Secretary.
A Message from the House, by Mr. Rossir Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has refused to adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House B11l 300 and requests a Second Committee of Conference to conslder the differences between the two Houses in regards to Amendment 2. Action taken by the House, July lstr 1993.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Mahar accedes to the request and asks for the Second Conference Conmittee Report on House Bill 300. On the Order of Concurrences on the Secretary's Desk are Senate Bills 266. Mr. Secretary. Senator Karpiel, do you Wish to proceed with Senate Bill 266? This is final action on Senate Bill 266. Mr. Secretary.
I move to concur with the House in the adoption of their Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 266. Filed by Senator Karpiel.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Karpiel.
Thank you, Madam President. 266 is the Tourism Grant Fund that places the Fund in a different revenue stream, -- did not raise the -- the amount of money as it left the Senate. As it came back from the Houser it added language that everyone agreed 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS I 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 toe Which requires a GRP transfer to khe Tourism Promotion Fund, I coming from the -- funds coming from the hotel-mote1 tax. These I 1 moneysWillbeusedtoRakegrantstOmunicipalities,counties Or j ! local promotion groups for projects, and then which are matched by I private sector funds. And I ask for your Aye vote. .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion? Any discussion? Hearing none, Senator Rarpiel, to close. I might remind the Body that there are constitutional requirements for the passage after June 30 of bills i kith accelerated effeetive dates, and this bill will require three-fifths vote. Senator Karpiel, to elose.
Just ask for an Aye vote. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) This is final action. The question 1s, shall the Senate concur in the -- the Rouse Amendments to Senate Bill 266. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record. On thls questlcn: there are 57 Yeas, none voting No# none voting Present. And the Senate does concur in House Amendment to Senate 3ill 266 -- House Anendment 1 ko Senate Bill 266. And the bill: having received the required Ehree-fifths majorltyw is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 406. Mr. Secretary.
I move to concur with the House in the adopelon of their Amendments 1, 4, 5 and 8 to Senate Bill 406. Piled by Senator Rea.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Rea, on Senate Bill 406.
Thank you, Madam President. Senate Bill 406, sponsored by I 15 j STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 myself and Senator Ralph Dunn, We -- We move to concur with Amendmenks 1, 4r 5 and 8. Amendnent No. l is an amendment that I 1 was offered by the Department of Mines and Minerals, which ! clarifies the definitlon of ''coal mine''. Amendment No. 4 is -- provides for additional capital technology for coal energy ! projects and also for other energy projects as welly whlch has come out of the Citizens' Assembly. Amendment No . 5 requires the Department of Mines and Minerals to employ a superintendent for each of the mine rescue stations, which is supported by the Department of Mines and Minerals. And Amendment 8 allows certain river conservancy districtsr mainly Kinkaid Lake, Which is in Senator Ralph Dunn 's district, cf high unemployment to have linited private developnent of tourism projects. And I Would ask for your Aye vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussions? Senator Fawell. Any further discussion? Senator Ralph Dunn.
Thank you, Madam President. I join Senator Rea ln asking for your Aye vote on thls, particularly it's a good bill for the coal industry. And then we have a river conservancy district that Wedre trying to develop into a recreational area in Jackson County. That's the Rain part of the bill that I'm interested in right now, and I'd urge an Aye vote. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Rea, to close.
Just ask for an Aye voke.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) This is final action and requires a three-fifths vote. The question is, shall the Senate concur in House Amendments 1, 4, 5 and 8 to Senate Bill 406. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GZNERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 opposed will vote Nay: and the voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wished? Have a1l voted who wished? Have a1l voted kho wished? Take the record. On that question, there are 53 Yeasr none voting No, none voting Present. And this bill, With the four House amendnents, we are concurring the Senate concurs in House Amendments ly 4: 5 and 8 to Senate Bill 406, and this bill, having received the required three-fifths majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1105. Mr. Secretary?
I move to concur with the House the adcptlon of their Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1105. Filed by Senator DeAngelis.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Madam President. Senate B111 1105: when it left this Chanber, amended the fees under the Liquor Control Commission. When went to the Housey the work of the Fee Increase Task Force Was placed on this bill as an amendment. And Senator Rauschenberger from our side, and Senator Leverenz -- Severns, from the Democratic side, were on this Task Force and would like to have leave to have Senator Rauschenberger explain the rest of this bill, which is the work of that task force.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Leave? Leave is given. Senator Rauschenberger.
be happy to have Senator Severns explain this if she'd -- she'd feel more confortabley or 1'11 go through it real quickly.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Rauschenberger.
17 E STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 These -- these are a group cf administration fees, basically, I Professional Regulation, that allow the Departnent of Agriculture to accept outside work in their bovine labs, that implement... PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Just a minute. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, it would be very much appreciated, lf you -- wish to talk, confine it to a very barely heard whisper. Thank you . Senator Rauschenberger. SENATOR RAUSCHENBERGER: . .. that implement the lndustry-agreed and the Liquor Commission-agreed liquor control fees for the future; that set up a pilot program for the Historic Preservation Department to try adnlssion fees at a couple of sites. In the case of the park district fee, it's a permissive fee, which allows park districts to charge nonresidents for participating in programs. The -- in the case of the Conservatlon feesr these fees are increases in those hunting and fishing -- basically fishing licenses, to allow for funding of the programs at the fish hatcheries, so that we can stock our lakes and streams, and basically a combination of general professional lees, which allow the Department of Professional Regulation to handle the smaller professions. These fees have a11 been through hearings, either in the House or the Senate, with the exception of the park district fee. Some of them have been around for as long as two years. It was an agreed process. Representative Steczo from the House, and Representative Churchill represented Ehe House; Senator Severns and T represented the Senate. So, I think we have a -- a group of fees here that are reasonable, that help run governmenk, that aren 't taxes, that are baslcally user fees on peaple Who benefit from the specific activities of a governmental department. I would be happy to take questions, along wlth Senator Severns, if you have questions. 18 STATE OF TLLTNOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSCMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Severns.
Thank you, Madan President, Members of the Senate. Senator Rauschenberger explained it very wellr but due to the fact that the budçet meetings are still ongoing and that my caucus and I do do not want to raise taxes and increase fees until we know how much wedve achieved at cuttin: the budgetr I would ask the sponsor to take this measure out of the record.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Rauschenberger. Senator DeAngells...
I -- I'm a little -- Ilm a little surprised in a Wayy because these are not new; we've been through this. It was an agreed process. At no time in the discussions in the Task Force did I think that the budget affected the decision on this, but I would defer to Senator DeAngelis on that question.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Wellr if I agreed to that, I would agree that the budget should be done before a1l this is donew and I don't agree with that. You know, would you buy a house first and then decide hoW much money you had to pay for it afterwards? Therefore, I don't agree with that. And 1111 tell you, I would like every one of you to go back home and tell your friends whofve called on this - and believe ne, a 1o* of people have called - tell the Conservation people What you did to 'emr tell the rest of 'em . Let the bill fly.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Hendon. Senator Hendon: further dlscussion. 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Leglslative Day July 2, 1993
Thank you, Madan President. Will the sponsor yield?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Wi11 the -- Will the -- Will the sponsor yield?
senator, either Rauschenberger or DeAngelis, I just want to be clear on what this is you 're asking us to vote on. Is this a tax increase on -- on -- on -- on alcoholic beverages?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARTS) Senator DeAngelis. Rauschenberger or... SENATOR DeANGELIS: The answer is no. The license fees increases that are in here were negotiated by the industry and were self-imposed.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hendon.
You -- you -- you answered; you said no, but at the same time, you said yes. So ls it a -- a tax increase or not? I mean, if it's if you 're calllng it a -- various fees, that's still a tax increase, isn't it -- isn't it not?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Rauschenberger.
The the Liquor Control Commission fees are license fees on the people who distribute and retail liquor. It's not on the consumer. It's not on the manufacturer. It's fees so that they - - to support the Department that regulates the liquor industry. So in my opinlon, you can call anything you want a tax, from inflation to to cigarette taxes. But in my opinion, in a1l hcnestyy this is a fee directed at running the regulation of the industry. I don't personally feel it's a tax, but that's certainly open to politieal, you know: question. 20 -j I I STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) , Senator Hendon.
I -- I have nothing further, except to say that it -- it's -- ! if it walk like a duck and quack like a duck, it's a duck. This is a tax increase. I intend to vote No.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Now that we have the duck question already resolvedy Senator Woodyard, further discussion?
Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. I rise in support of Senate Bill 1105 but primarily from the area of the fees in Department of Conservation. If youlll recall, this -- this didn't just start in this Session. We passed...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Can we give the -- just a moment, Senator Woodyard. Would you mind, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate? I've got seven people here who want to be heard. Could you glve the courtesy to khe speaker? We'd appreciate it very much. Senator Woodyard.
During the last Session of the General Assemblyr we passed a fee increase package for Department of Conservation, very similar to what is contained in 1105, with more than forty votes on tt. This fee increase - here again, very similar to what We passed last year - never made it out of the House last year. This year, it was decided ln some early meetings, in March or April, to introduce this measure in the House before it came back over to the -- to the Senate. The House has passed this. I can tell you that almost all, if not all, sporting groups in the State of Illinois, ranginî from Bass Fishernenr White-tailed Deer Associationr Pheasants Foreverr as Well as many of *he environmental groups that helped put this package together, are in 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 ( support of these fee increases. The genesis this year actually started with the convening of a Conservation Congress here in Springfield early last spring. The hundred and eighteen delegates to that -- to that conventionr from a broad range of conservation people -- this fee package was one of their top prioritles for passage this year. So, I certainly hope that you can support this and that we will be able to expand our fish hatcheries and habitat areas. This became an agenda item, with the Illlnois Legislative Sportsmen's Caucus. This was not proposed originally by the Department of Conservation, but rather, the Ccnservatlon Congress and your own Legislative Sportsnen's Caucus. I ask for an Aye vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz.
Madam President; I Would like to mcve the previous question. PRESTDING OFFICERJ (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) Senator Dudycz moves the previous question. We have one, two, threer fourr five, six, seven more speakers. Thank you. Senator Jacobs from Rock Island.
Thank you, Madan President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. You knowr it really is sort of comical, if it wasn't so sad, to think that wedre raising fees continually, at the time Whenever people are losing their jobs, and not able to find jobs. To ge* away fron some of *he areas -- I have a question in a minute, but to get away from some of *he areas, *he good oldr tried-and-true tradition of retirees and many of the young people, and in fact, some of the young people, in many cases, to put food on the table must fish and hunt. Sounds strange, but we're almost going back to those days, as our forefathers used to participate. We're increasing thcse licenses. I think Ehis is 22 STATE 0F ILLINOTS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 1993 the wronq time to do that. There are tWo questlons I have. One of them is in regards to the increased fees on Watercraft, except for cances and kayaks. When thls was brought up before, there Were a number of questions in regards to the Boy Scouts and the Cub Scoutsr and whether or not they had to pay these fees and some of the things. Is that taken care of in this blll, number one? And number two, we are going for a brew pub license fee, from no fee to a thousand fifty dollars. As T understand fee increases, or as I understand fees, they are to be a charge Which is used to directly offset the enforcement of that particular item that the fee is being charged to. If we, in the pastz had no fee, how do we justify going to a fee of one thousand fifty dollars? I'd like to have those two questions' answers first.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator DeAngelis? Senator DeAngelis, Senator Jacobs has asked some questicns. SENATOR DeANGELIS: I'm sorryr I was consulting with the Governor's chief guru. Senator Jacobs: could you -- on a condensed basls?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs, would you repeat your questions?
Wesll repeat the questions. First of all, Senatory a brew pub license fee from zero to one thousand and fifty dollars. What -- first of all, what is a brew pub license, number one? And number two, how do we justlfy going from zero to a thousand fifty, if this, in fact, is a fee increase, rather than a tax?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senakor DeAngelis. Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: ee. tmachine cutoffl...lacobs, raeher than give you the vrong answer, 1et me just tell you that these fees were negotiated by 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 the industry - theydre self-imposed - and the Liquor Control Commission. That terminology might be strange to mez and I can 't , tell you what or Why. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs. ' SENATOR JACOBS: Senator, I -- I appreciate the candor. I -- I still have trouble, howevery understanding how we go from zero to a thousand fifty, if, in fact, a fee is to be used in direct relationship to the cost of -- of regulating that particular business. But I ' i appreclate the candor. With that, While youdre trying to naybe i look that up, are the Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts in the area of the increased fees on watercrafts? Remember a year or tWo agor We had all the problems and had the Cub Seouts and Boy Scouts a11 up in I arms 'cause they uere not exempt? Are they exempt under this fee increase? PRESIDING OFFICER ( : (SENATOR GEO-KARTS) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Senator Jacobs, if you would wish, I can take this bill out of the record and give your answer, or trust me to believe that this is done by the industry, again. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs. SENATOR JACOBS: I have never asked a Senator to do that. I think you have the right to do with your bill what you -- What you please. Maybe I can ask that question in a separate -- in a -- in a different way. I think that the problem before Was with Watercraft, with the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, was they do a 1ot of canoe trips and they do a lot of canoeing on lakes. And maybe the better question would be put: Are canoes exempt under this fee increase? 24 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislattve Day July 2r 1993 I
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator DeAngelis, to respond. ' SENATOR DeANGELIS: There are no fee increases of that sort: Senator Jacobs. So ! 1 whatever it is was there before. ' l
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs . i SENATOR JACOBS: k Just in closing, you know, I just think this is the Wrong time for -- for this type of legislationr and in fact, We're even including the hunting licenses on those sixty-five years or older, which have been exempt in the past. I think that if you think that you've had some -- some calls on the eigarette tax and you 've had sone calls on some of the other things, wait until you get your calls from your senior citizens on taking away the one leisure activity that they have. I think this is a hell of a way to run a railroad. PRESTDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I Senatcr DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: With leave of the Chairr I wculd llke to return to the order of this business today, but I will get answers to Senator Jacobs' questions. So if you?ll continue with the normal business, we 'll come back to this in just a little bit, with leave of the Chair.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) You wish to pull the bill out of the record at this kime and come back to it? SENATOR DeANGELIS: Yes. PRESTDTNG OFFTCER) (SENATOR GEO-XARIS) Any objections? Leave is hereby given. Mr. Secretary, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, we 're going to Conference Committee 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION 1 SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 72nd Legislatlve Day July 2, 1993 Reports on page 10. House Bill 176. House Bill 176. sEcasvaav uakay: Fsrst conference commsttee Report on uouse sslz z76. : I
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz. '
Thank youy Madam President. The Conference Committee Report No. l to House Bill 176 contains many provislons. The first one - it retains the language of the original House Bill 176, Which passed out of the Senate with a vote of 57 to nothing. It also recommends that the House concur in Senate Amendnents 1y 2, 5, 10, l4, l5, 16 and l7. And three new provisicns are being added to the bill, to the Conference Committee Reportz tWo of which had been previously passed the Senate. The bill, as it came to the Senate: originally would permit sheriffs to demand payment of fees for service of process in advance of the sheriff's office serving papers. Senate Amendment No. 1 was inserted on -- at the request of Senator Woodyard, whlch contains the language of House Bill 474. It Would allow counties to sell or lease Water or sewer improvements to public utilitles. Amendment No. 2 contains language from House Bill 1071, sponsored by Senator Rlemm. It allows the presiding officer of the county board to appoint two alternate members cf the zoning board of appeals. Senate Amendment No. 5, sponsored by Senator Jacobs in House Bill 839, would give preference points to veterans who apply with munlcipallties: ten points for disabled or Purple Heart veterans; five points for veterans who served during times of hostilities; and three points lf the veterans served ln the Armed Forces, Illinois National Guard or any Reserve compcnent. Senate Amendment No. 10 contains language, at the request of Senator Watscn, raising the maximum population from fifteen hundred to five thousand for certain sanitary districts to dissolve as long I 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 as they have no outstanding debt. Senate Amendment l4: at the 7 i I request of Senator Syversonz amends the introductory paragraph of I the Boone County Buildlng Complex Committee Law, to allow the committee to maintain any building complexr rather than just existing complexes and clarifyinq that the areas defined is all of Boone County. Senate Amendnent No. 15, at the request of Senator Petka, permits counties over three hundred thousand population, or next to counties over three hundred thousand, to zone for land use on parcels of land under five acres, from which one hundred -- from which one thousand dollars or less of agricultural products are sold annually. Senate Amendment No. 16, at the request of Senator Mccracken, requires the Dupage and Cook County Circuit Clerks to annually budget for a CPA budget, which shall stand as khe official audlt. Additional audits Would be -- or may be required by the Illinois Supreme Courtr or by the respeetlve eounty boards. Senate Amendment No. l7' at the request of Senator Petka, corrects Amendnent No. l5: to restore Cooky Dupage and Lake Counties to exisklng zoning status. And neW language inserted in the Conference Committee Report contains language from Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 554, sponsored by Senator Geo-Karis, which passed the Senate With a vote of 51 to 1. It amends the Illtnois Emergency Management Agency Act to authorize municlpalities under five hundred thousand to establish local IEMAS and to use volunteers to provide emergency services. Other new language is from Senate Bill 380, sponsored by Senator Cronin, which passed the Senate 53 to nothing; gives caunty boards khe ability to allow a property taxpayer to pay their tax bill in installments, as provided by the county clerk. This is permissive language, and it does not apply to Cook County. And finally, the new language requested by the Municipal League: which was inadvertently deleted by the Municipal Officers Recodification Act, Public Act 87-1119. It ': technicalp and it's a cleanup to 27 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY l REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 the Municipal Code. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARTS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Senator Dudycz, to close. SENATOR DUDYCZ: ' I seek your afftrmative support. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) All right. Senator Dudycz is askin: us to adcpt the 1 Conference Committee Report on House Bill 176, with Senate ! Amendments 1, 2, 5, 7r l0, 13r 14, l5, 16 and 17y First Conference committee Report. And the questlon is, shall the Senate adopt the conference Committee Report on this bill. A11 those in favcr will vote Aye. A1l opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wished? Have a11 voted Who wished? Take the record. On thls questiony there are 56 Yeasr none voting Nay, none voting Present. And the Senate does adopk the Conference Committee Report On House Bill 176, and the -- having received the ! required three-fifths majorityr this -- this Conference Committee Report ls hereby declared passed. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Mr. Secretary, on House Bill 1852. SECRETARY HARRY: Eirst Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1852. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I Senator Topinka. SENATOR TOPINKA: Yes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senatey House Bill 1852 now seems to have agreement on the part of a1l concerned parties, Which included the Illinols Hospital Association, the Illinois State Medical Soclety, the nursing home associations. The Department of Public Health is neutral. What -- We 've seen most of this language before, but 1et me gc through the four parts 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 with you. First of all, we would allow the members of the Health Pacilities Planning Board to collect their per dlen when travellng on board-related business. We have now qotten the Hea1th Facilities Planning Board into so many other activitles that they do have to go above and beyond their regular meetings, which ls a11 that is covered by the per dien . We do put a statutory cap of seven thousand five hundred dollars on it. We make several changes to the Alternative Health Care Delivery Act, in that we allow ang licensed hospital or nursing home to operate a subacute care unlt, even if that unit is not a licensed demonstration model under the current Act. Secondly, we increase by three the number of denonstration models that the Department of Public Hea1th may authorize under the Subaeute Care Demonstration Program. There wculd be one extra in Chicago; two that would be in rural areas. We also allow the Department of Public Hea1th to give preference to financially distressed hospitals in rural areas when authorizing subacute care denonstration models. And flnally, We require the Department of Public Hea1th to establish rules for the transfer of patients to and from postsurgical recovery centers and hospitals. We would also, as another component of this bill, delete the requirement that the Departnent of Public Hea1th may no less than four inspections per year of ambulatory surgical treatment centers, the ASTCS. They -- Department of Public Health would still maintaln the authorlty and responsibility to inspect these facilities when they deem necessary. Currently, the Deparkment dces no* have enough fundlng to inspect these facilities on a quarterly basis, which is what the law demands at this point. And finally, we would allow the Department of Public Aid to establish a Managed Care Demonstration Program - and this is new language - on a limited basls for Medicaid-eligible Public Aid recipients. The demonstration program would kerninate on June 30th, 1997, and we would require the Department of Public Aid to 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 report to the Governor and the General Assembly as to hoW this proçram was working and Whether or not it Was doable or not and i worthwhile to maintain. This is what the bill does. As I said: I think everybody is agreed on it. It's a fair bill on a1l fronts, and I Would seek your positlve vote. '
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? Senator Stern?
Mr. President, my comments do not have anything to do with this bill. I've had ny light on for nearly ten minutes. I really object very much, to being overridden in that way. I waved and I howled and I made myself very conspicuous, and President Geo-Karis i chose to overlook me. Please, mag my protest be registered?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Certainly will. Senator Geo-Karis.
Point of persona1 privi1ege. If I could respond to Senato/ Stern, and I think my Parliamentarian Will verify, believe it or not, your light Was not on my board. !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? If not, the question is, shall the Senate adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1852 1 . I Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those oppcsed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record . On that question, the Ayes are 56, the Nays are 1. The Senate does adopt the Conference Committee Repcrt on House Bil1... The Senate does adopt *he Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1852. And the bill, having received the required three-fifths majority, is declared passed. Senator DeAngelis Wishes to go back to Senate Bill 1105 on Concurrence. Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS; 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Thank you, Mr. President. I advised Senator Jacobs that and I kncw some people have the same problem with mer that some of his questions were a little muffled and I -- on the kayak and canoe, I thought he Was talking about a -- type of license. Those are in the same status they were before and some are exempt. In fact, 1,11 have Senator Rauschenberger - 'cause that part of that bill is the area that that Task Force worked on - respond to that question.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger.
Licensing of canoes and kayaks does not change from what it is currently. It still exempts both Boy Scoutz Girl Scout and church groups. So there is no change in the kayak or canoe fees. There's no increaser Senator Jacobs.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jcnes.
Thank youp Mr. President. Not to debate the merits of the bill as such, but this blll dces drive the appropriation billsr the whole process. And not to get lnto the merits pro or con, Would urge the Members on this side of the aisle to vote Present on this bill until We've finlshed the total budget process. There is no need to rush to judgment on this piece of leglslation. We still have to be here to do the budget, and so ue'll deal with that issue at that time. I urge the Members on this side to merely vote Present.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hasara.
Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yteld?
PRESTDTNG OFFTCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRTPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 He indicates that he Would.
Senator DeAngells, in the past there have been some exemptions for fees. I'n particularly interested in those that apply to veterans and the disabled. Can you enlighten the Body as to whether thcse exemptions still exist for veteransr what -- Which veteransy in particular, and for the disabled?
PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Senator Rauschenberger will respond.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger.
The exemptions for the dlsabled and for the -- the veterans are a11 skill included. There are no changes in the exemptions.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Yes. Will the Gentlenan yield for a few questions?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indlcates that he would. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Just so we're clear whenever we vote on this legislation. It it will be enabling the hlstoric site preservation to charge fees. Would that be correct?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger.
On a pilot program y yes. I think at four sites.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 SENATOR LaPAILLE: Yes. And then We also have -- fees for various professians ranging from architects to engineers, land surveyors, structural engineersr et ceteray real estate appraisers. Would it be correct to say that over ninety-five different fees will be increased in this legislation?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger.
That's interesting to know that you've done a count on thatr and I'd like to point out for Members on that side of the aisle, don't want you to get crossways on any brochures ycu might be thinking. But on real estate licensing fees, Senator, you supported those. And -- and I -- I really would -- Would think that we shouldn't be making this a political deal. It has nothing to do with the budget. This is enabling legislation to the Conservation fees. We not only have a responsibility to do this right; we have a responsibility to make sure there are fish for the next generation. mean: we 're -- this is not a polltical issue, and am really disappointed that when this was a negotiated task force, wlth a1l four caucuses represented, with a lot of opportunity for your caucus to do this -- I distributed to your side an analysis of this three days ago and spoke to about half of your Members to see if they had questions. I'm just a little annoyed, offended, dlsappcinted, Senator, thak you want to make a -- a joke out of this.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: We just want to know what we're voting on, because I might be supporting this, and I'm just asking what's in the bill. Would it be true that children and parents of children under DORS 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRTPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 Rehabilitation Services - would be assessed a student activity fee if they Were to go to a day camp, Senatory or something like that under this bill?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger.
It -- to DORS, yes, it is true that they kould have the pernission to charge a fee statutorily. Currently, they do so. This also allows the Department to use commissary profits so they can send children of indigent families home for holidays When the family can 't afford to transport them. These are enabling fees. These fees allow that Department to operate and take care of those children.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Yes, one Last question. With regard to hunting and fishing, we know that we're going to be doublinq these fees. Also, it's correct that senior citizens, for the first time, will be charged hunting and fishing licenses, and nonresident fishermen would go from fifteen dollars to twenty-four dollars. And I would say that we must have sone beautiful fish to want to pay twenty-four dollars to come into Illinois to flsh -- that big of an increase. But I simply close by saying that I think Senator Rauschenberger has done a fine job on this legislation, and I only hope that the Governor of this State will be willing to -- sign thls -- extravagant fee-lncrease blll, based on his campaign to hold down the cost of government, et cetera. Yousre going to be sending him over ninety-five various fees, senior citizens# disabled, et cetera. And perhaps we dll work with you to make sure that he 'll sign thls fee-increase bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS i 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Leçislative Day July 2, 1993 Senator Severns.
Thank you, Mr. Presidentr Members of the Senate. Would the ; sponsor yield for a question? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ' He indicates that he Would.
I Senator, I know firsthand that you negotiated in good faith, as I believe I did. But one number I've never received, at least in -- in a solid way that I would like, is how much money statewide does this fee package generate?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger. SENATOR RAUSCHENBERGER: ! I have no idea.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jacobs. Senator Severns, turn your light on, please. Senator Severns.
Well, Senator, 1'11 tell you what we've been told. First of alle BOB and Ec and Fisc can't begin to project it, but the ! projection that our staffy in working very diligently with it, suggests is that lt Would net right around twenty-five to twenty-seven and up to thirty million dollars. So anyone who thlnks that it doesn't inpact the budget or, for that matter, the pockets of senior citizensy is wrong . I think - and my caucus cerkainly belleves - that untll we do *he job of cuktlng a minimum of one hundred and fifty million dollars fron the budget, as the Governor said yesterday we must cut, and until we establish the priorities in the budget, We ought not be raising fees or taxes across this State. We ought to cut spending first, do what we can do, do what we must do, and then consider the packages before us. I 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 I would urge a Present vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watsan.
Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. I rise in support of the concurrence motion on Senate Bill 1105. I -- Ifm not sure that a11 of you are aware of this, but We -- we have two outstanding agrlcultural labcratories in this State: one in Centralia and one in Galesburg. They have nationwlde reputatlon for excellent work, and one thing that they would like to be able to do, that is enabling in this -- this bill, is to do out-of-state Work and charge a fee for it. They can't dc that now. We've cut, in some cases, both appropriations for both labs, and we're limiting their abllity to really do the job that's necessary for the agriculture community of -- of this State. And thls Would allow them to charge fees for some of the services that they do. I really think that some of you kho talk about a tax increase, or you talk about the reasons to oppose this, I mean you -- I think you'll find among your constituency a general public acceptance for user fees. And that's -- the Department of Conservation and -- and others, Historic Preservation, who want to charge fees to enable the use of their facilitiesy see no problem with. And the fact that We want to charge someone from outside the State of Illlnois a greater percentage is certainly I I think will be acceptable also, not only by your constituents, but by the people Who visit our parks throughout this State. So I thlnk this is an excellent proposalr and is a user fee. Those people who use the facillties are paying for them. I think that's a that's an excellent idea, and I certainly support this effort.
PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jacobs.
36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I guess it's one of those situations of here we go again. The budget, of course, is tled to this. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be need for the fee increases. If the budget wasn't tied to it, we'd be .paying for these things out of General Revenue funds, Where -- where they truly, really belong. But I think what really shows the glaring problem here, we've already passed a Live and Learn fee increase, as -- as some people call it; I still call it a tax increase. With that, we used libraries as the wedge, to get the fee increase. NcW all I hear from the other side of the aisle and from the sponsors, is Historic Preservation and Conservation. A1l I can do is ask the same question as I did before on the Llve and Learn: How do We relate a brew pub license to Conservation? I don 't know how the tWo are intertwined. So these fees go well beyond the presentation that you are attempting to make. Many of these fees are on businessesr which the other side of the aisle is supposed to be representing and supposed to be -- being the champion for. I have no qualms with the Conservatlon portion of this bill. I have some qualns with the rest of itr but we always seem to -- to run away from this. I asked the question last year, when we Were looking at fees, that 1'11 ask again: Are the restrooms included in increase in fees, cr is there a fee to be put on restrooms in this bill also?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senakor Rauschenberger? Senator Rauschenberger. It Would help if we...
As far as I know y Senator, that we are not charging any fee on restrooms. There's -- there's no tax on toilet paper. I don't think welre enabling any additional professionals to register under this legislation. There's no fee on telephone lines. I 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 don't think this is the telecommunications tax for the City of Chicago. I think what these arer are a series of fees to help run State Government and to relieve the pressure on GRF, but you may know more since you 've been here longer.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jacobs.
Well, I like the terninologyr Hrelieve the pressures'. guess that -- it does bode well for -- for not taxing people to go to the restroom. But it it it appears to me that -- that we're again though -- part of what We're doing ls: we are nowr regardless of -- of what the speaker said, think he -- he very well may be incorrect on the portion with the -- the disabled. We are charging the disabled for campsites. I think that is contrary to what has been the situation in the pasty and I thlnk it's something that is part of the onerous portion of this bill. This bill finally, in some form or -- or -- or sort of, Will probably pass along the line, but I think today is not the day. And I think our our Leader said it very well. Show us the entire package. We'11 see how this flts into the scheme of things. If it's necessary, this side of the aisle stands ready to deliver votes in order to -- to fund the necessary items of this budget. All we Nant to know is what does thts Body deem to be the necessary items in this budget.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Pawell.
Thank you very much. Last summerz my son and his three children and I went up to Wisconsln -- up to Devil's Lake. And in order to get into that park, it cost us about twelve dollars and fifty cents every time we drove ln and out every day. My son and his children camped over, and that was a considerable fee. When 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ; REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 he wanted to buy a fishing llcense, it cost him thirty-five dollars. Now, you knowr I happen to be in that -- that category of ''senior citizensn. Six dollars and fifty cents doesn't seem to be an unreasonable fee for most seniors, I'm sure. It's a heck of a lot less than what theylre charging in the states around us. If I Want to go fishing -- in fact, to tell you the truth, I bought my fishing license this year, and it didn't occur to me to tell them I was a senior. And I got it and I paid for it. And I haven't caught a fish in twenty yearsy but I thought just in caser I just night want to do that. I donft thlnk this is unreasanable. I -- we haven 't raised these fees slnce 1985. I thlnk it's a logical thin: to do after four or five yearsr maybe even eight ar nine years, to think about raising a few fees here and there. This is a good bill. It's been worked on; it Nas agreed to by everybody on the task force. We tre still a heck of a 1ot cheaper than anybody else around us. And I thlnk we ought to quit playing politics. We never used to do this until certain Members joined the Senake, and I think it just night be time to stop it and :et about the parties -- get abcut the people's business.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip. Senator Philip.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the -- of the Senate. You know, it's a shame that this -- these fee increases have got into a political debate. As you know, both sides of the aisles have worked on this. The House has passed it; the Democrats support it ln the House. I can't remember the last time we had a fee increase on these licenses. Every sporting I organization that I kncw in Illinois is in favor of this. And quite frankly, if you use the parks or fishr you ought to pay a i fee for it. It's like using the tollway: When you use it, you pay for it. It's a good idea; it's a good philosophy. And quite 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY . REGULAR sEssloN SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislatlve Day July 2, 1993 franklyy it shouldn't be anythin; political. There ought to be bipartisan support, and We ouqht to pass it. Now, the Dlrector tells me if we don't qet these fee increases, they will not open the parks. The only chance We have at opening the parks -- and I don't have a park in my district: quite frankly, so it doesn't affect me at all. That We probably Will nct get the parks open a1l year. Now, I don't know abcut you, but We have a 1ot of complalnts about people that think our State parks ought to be open a11 year round. We ought to do this. Itfs the right thing to do. Stand up and be counted. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) You wish to closey Senator DeAngelis? Senator DeAngelisy to close. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Well, Senator Rauschenberger wauld like to make a few comments and then 1111 close. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Rauschenberger. SENATOR RAUSCHENBERGER: I hope everybody in the Chamber realizes hoW much I enjoy being at the nicrophone. That's part of the reason that I agreed to work on thls. It -- it Was a process that Was to be agreed to, ' hopefully. I'd just like to point out to Members on both side of the aisle that this Task Force kas convened at the request of the Speaker, who said in -- in not so many Words, thak essentlally that a number of these fees, which are necessary to run State Government, had been sequestered in his Chamber because of a position he had in the past on tax caps. He wanted to get some of these moving. We wcrked diltgently. I think we met about tWelve times. We spent a lot of time on these bills. Most of' these bills, with the -- or al1 of these bills, with the exception of ! ' j one,havebeenthroughthehearingprocessandhavepassedone or 1 40 STATE OP ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 the other Chambers before. To review veryz very quickly, so people understand exactly khat theylre voting on: The appraisers' fees are for the Department of Professional Regulation . There's a considerable backlog today, because there's not enough money in their funding to get these licenses out, and this is hurting the appraisers in the real estate industry. It's requested by the industry; it's agreed to by the industry. It's not a tax increase; it's an lncrease in their licensing fees for thcse people who choose to practice that professlon, and theydre in aqreement wlth it. The 1ab fees: There are no labs in my district. Okay? This is not for any eows that I have. This is the Department of Agriculture. Tt gives them the ability to use their two world-class labs and to take outside studies so that they can reimburse themselves for the reagents they use. I mean, let's think abcut what We're voting on there. The liquor license fees is an agreed bill. It's a license for those people practicing a licensed activity that the State of Illinois controls. They've agreed to it. Additional funding is going into education to try to prevent -- or teach people Who work in bars how to deternine drunkenness and When to -- to cut off a patron. The pilot program in Historic Preservation, the first yearr if we pass this -- thls onerous tax increase that Denny Jacobs is very concerned about, will allow the Department to test fees at one slte: the Dana Thomas House. Wedve got the Dana Thomas House here in Springfield, and the public can't see it today. It's a pilot program. Their intention is, one site first year, an additlonal site the next year, and a total of three over the next three years, to test the effect of having admission fees at these sites, to allow them to make them available to the public. Park district program fees: Thts is Representative Steczo's pernissive bill which allows park districts to charge out-of-resident -- out of -- out-of-district residents a fee if they participate in a 41 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 program . They currently have that right for use of a facility but i not that right for the -- for the use of a progran. This is Representative Steczo's bill. The Conservation fees are -- are assessed and agreed to on hunters and fishermen. These fees are -- wellr basically fishermen. These fees are agreed to by the Conservation Congress. They're supported by people with parks in their districts. There are no State parks in my dlstricts at all. This is an administration blll. A 1ot of thought went lnto this, and a 1ot of work. It includes -- as a matter of correction for Senator Jacobs, in the case of camping, he is absolutely correct. The exenption in camping is only for ex -- or for POWs and disabled veterans. Al1 disabled people are not exempted from the camping, but on the licenses, theydre a11 exempted: disabled people, POWS -- POWs, and disabled veterans. END OF TAPE TAPE 2 SENATOR RAUSCHENBERGER: General professions develcpment - Professional Regulation: The Departments put together a plan where they can take the smaller professions, which many of you have participated in licensing, and combine them into one fund so they can administer and assess the ccsts and so that they -- We can relieve the pressure on GRP and do a decent job in all those things that this General Assembly and past General Assemblies have thought were important enough to license. Rehabtlttation Services Cees: This is to allow the Department to, in Statute, do properly what they are doin: already and to use commissary fees for the benefits of 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 ( transporting their students. Deslgn professional fees is the last I one, and 1'11 quit. But I Want everybody to understand exactly what's in thls. Design professionals, again, agreed to a new arrançement of licensing. This is only on design professionals - people who choose to practice that. It's not a tax increase; it's an increase in their licensing fee. I think We need to understand what the process is here. There is budgetary impact: I suppose, on anything . But these fees have been agreed to; they 've been heard. It was a Task Force. It Was requested by the Speaker. It was supported by the Democratic House. And most Members on both sldes of the aisle have supported these in one form or another.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngellsy do you wlsh to close also? ! SENATOR DeANGELIS: Yes, I -- I'd like to close. Let ne -- let me just say this: I have heard of different ways of perfuming a pig, but today was the best - absolutely the best. You knowr it's surprising to me that there seems to be demonstrated an extraordinary concern, on i the part of the people across the aisle, about the budget and yet, y I when there's an opportunity to bring some money in that might - I might - leave the noney in for education, might take care of a program that might have to be cut, they're against it. Well, I can tell you right now, We are goin: to vote on this bill, and I just want to tell you, it Will not go on Postponed Consideration. ' i i And rather than tell you to read my lips, I Want you to read my 1 I tie; khere's a big Mickey Mouse on it. So cut that out. I move I i I we pass this blll.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The question is, shall the Senate concur in House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1105. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting's open. Have al1 vcted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? 43 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 Take the record . On that question, the Ayes are 28# the Nays are 1, 29 voting Present. The motion fails. The Chair will noW entertain a notion to non-concur. Senator DeAngelis, do you Wish to make that motion? SENATOR DeANGELIS: No.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Chicagoland-Tv wishes permission to videotape today. Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Seeretary. Resolutions. Messages from the House. Excuse me.
A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Represenkatives has adopted the following joint resolution, in the adoption of whieh I am instructed to ask khe concurrence of the Senate, to wlt: House Joint Resolution 66. (Secretary reads HJR 66) Adopted by the House, July 2nd, 1993.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Dudycz moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the lnmediate consideratlon and adoptlon of the adjournment resolution. Those in favor will say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. Senator Dudycz now moves the adoptlon of the adjournnent resclution, Hcuse Joint Resolution 66. A11 in favor, signify by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. Qhe motion's adopted. On Supplemental Calendar No. 1: Concurrence. Senator Hawkinson, on 9567 Out of the record. Senator Philip, on SJR 14? Mr. Secretary.
Senate Joint Resolution l4, offered by Senator Philip, with House Amendment No. 1. 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd LegislaEive Day July 2: 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
Thank you, Mr. Presidentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. As you know, es introduced, Senate Joint Resolution extended the Tollway 355 south to Interstate 57 in W1l1 County . It passed this Body 50 to 2. It's 28.5 miles. It's about -- guesstimates are' anywhere from eight hundred to nlne hundred million dollars. Now, it got over to the House and it Was amended. And this resolution now extends the tollway system to Lake-ccok Road to 120 near Grayslake and east to connect with 1-94. It also goes from Illinois Route 20 <sic> near Grayslake in a northwesterly directlon to the Illinois-Wisconsin border, and it had ninety-three affirmative votes. The North tollway is eighteen miles; approximate cost, four hundred and ninety thousand to flve hundred and seventy thousand. The Richmond extension is another twenty-four niles ln a northwesterly manner, some seven hundred to eight hundred thousand dollars. Takes thirty affirmative votes. I'd be happy to answer any questions, and I'd like to see a 1ot of green lights.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussicn? Any -- Senator Thomas Dunn.
Thank you, Mr. President. Gccd porticn of this aspect of the toll road represents the culmination of a 1ot of work by many of us. And I think i: was three years ago that I first passed the toll road resolution that included this portionr and I rise in strong support on this particular lssue. Even though it's somewhat generic to my area, I still ask for support on behalf of it, from my side of the aisle.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jones. 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 72nd Legislakive Day July 2, 1993 I I i
Thank you, Mr. President. The -- this resolution that authorize the Tollway Authority to begin plans to plan the North and South tollway -- the issue is an issue that has been discussed by many of us. We've dlscussed it as a group. We.recognize that I i ' f thlrty votes to pass. l t doesn t -- it only takes a majority o ! Hoeever, T still will urge the Members on this side of the aisle i to vote Present on this issue, because it is still part of the tentative agreement that had been put together. Tentative - I said tentative. So I urge the Members on thts side of the aisle ! to vote Present.
PRESIDING OFPTCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Geo-Karls.
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlenen of the Senate, We talk i E about getting jobs ln Illlnois and keeping them here; but then what about the gridlocks of the roads? This is a very important resolution. It affects the north end; it affects the south end . And I urge everyone to vote Yes.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Peterson.
Thank you, Mr. President. Will the Senator yield for questions?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates that he Would.
Senator Philip, as you know, the extension of Illinois 53 into Lake County kill go through ny district, and many of the villages have been working with IDOT. This group has been known as the Corridor Council. Will the Tollway Authority Work with this Council, as IDOT has been doing? 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
Ifve talked to the chairman of the Tollway. He informs me that the Tollway Will agree With everything that IDOT and the Council have agreed to already. So that is no problem whatsoever.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senatcr Peterson.
For clarification: They will work With -- the Tollway Will Work with the Corridor Council, and will go along with the recommendations that IDOT has already agreed to.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
The second ...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Excuse me.
Second question: Will the -- will the Tollway be subject to the same environmental impact studies and wetland mitigation that TDOT would be required to they construeted the extension as a freeway?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
Yes. understand that the Tallway is subject to all the wetland regulationsr a11 the federal regulations, the same as the Department of Transportation. So there 's no difference whatsoever. Same restrictlons.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Peterson. 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislatlve Day July 2, 1993
And the last question. IDOT has already expended millions of dollars in the purchase of rlght-of-way, legal costs, impact studies, condemnation costs. Will the -- will IDOT and the taxpayers be reimbursed by the Tollway for these expenses?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
Trying to make it simple and short: Nc. Now, you know, this - - this happened. As you know, We had 355 that Went through Dupage County, and of course the same circumstancesy where the Department of Transportation has bought property over a period cf ten to fifteen years, and of course there was no reimbursement for the Department of Transportatton. And quite frankly, maybe somewhere along the line, we might think about that. Sonebody ought to -- smarter than I am ought to sit down and think about thatr when the Department of Transportation buys it and then we just give it to the Tollkay. Maybe there ought to be some other accommodations, but quite frankly, don't know another state where that happens. I've been 1ed to believe that every other state they just -- the Department of Transportation just gives it to the Tollway Authority.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Peterson.
Thank you, Senator. To the resoluticn: Thls particular extension goes through an area that has many wetlands. It has many bogs. Already IDOT has looked at three or four different changes from the center line. The villages that it would go through, which are several, are opposed to There are environmental concerns, as I mentioned before. And I think, as was mentioned, Lake County is a growing county, has many State 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 roads; it certainly could use the money that it Won't get because the Tollway Will have benefit of those expenses that have already been given by IDOT. And thereforey I Will have to stand in apposition to this resolution.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Petka.
Thank you very muchy Mr. President and Members of the Senate. It ls indeed unfortunate that at the very tail end of the Legislative Session that a dream of so many is stale -- is stalemated in partisan bickering. When I first eame to the House, in 1987, I worked along w1th my Republican colleagues in the House and Democratic Representatives in the collar counties to see that what used to be 43l would be extended from 1-55 to 1-80. When Senator Dunn represented the area through which this tollway would run, I very cheerfully supported the extension, because lt's something which is absolutely necessary to not only the economic development of people in -- in Will County and the southwest suburbs, but also would improve their quality of life. As I talked to Mayor Dystrup of Lockport on the phone earlier this ueek, he indicated that this idea was born almost thirty years ago. So here we are within literally minutes of putting many people's dreams on the board. And I'm asking you to -- to support this proposal, because I believe it's very good for the State of Illinois, for economic development. It will not require anybody's taxes to go up. Those Who choose to ride Will pay. And for these reasons alone, I believe that this resolution should be supported, and I ask you ko do so .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip, to close.
Thank you, Mr. Presldent, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 I ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Excuse me, senator Philip. senator smith. ! SZNATOR SMITH: Thank your Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen cf khe . Senate. I have a question to the spcnsor, please. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indlcates he Would yield. SENATOR SMITH: Senator Philip, I merely wanted to ask a question of you. I had a bill in for just a portion of an expressway that was already intact, and I only asked if you would vote on that side of the aisle to give us the honor of naming just a portion of this expressway in honor of a man who had been a servant to this country and to the world. And you voted No. But here you are, going to spend money, and they 're saylng it's not going to cost anybody anything - this certainly Wasn't going to cost anything, ! ! but it would 've given us another rcle model here in the State of Illinois. And I want to know: What's the difference? Why could you not gîve us this honor for Thurgood Marshall? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip. Senator Snith, Was that a question? Senator i I Philip. i SENATOR PHILIP: 1 Thank you, Senator -- Mr. President. And quite frankly, this - - this resolution extending the tollway north and south has got j nothing to do with any klnd of a resolution. Now: the distinguished judge is nok frcm Illinols. I -- I would suggest this: When they name a road or a building or a statue out of his own home skate, you know, we'll think about lt. But I think the question is out of line; we're on the tollways. Has nothing to do with naming anything after anybody. PRCSIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 . ! May we confine our remarks to SJR l4? Senator Smith. I SENATOR SMITH: . .m tmicrophone cutoffl...the sponsor? He said that the -- I Thurgood Marshall was not a cltizen here in the State of Illinois. I '' ; Well, lf my history serves me right, the great Abraham Lincoln was not born in the State of Illinois; he was born in Kentucky. I Rennedy was not born in the State of Illinois. 3ut -- Eisenhower I was not born in Illinois. But you are naming rcads and highways I and everything for them. And Thompson - was he born in the State I of Illinois? ' PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) i Senator Smith. SENATOR SMITH: 1 And this is a1l I asked you, just for a portion - just a I portton. And -- and -- and the Department of -- D0T was giving us ; just six thousand dollars to get it done. Now you said he's not a i citizen bere in the State of Illinois? And yau could not give him ! that honor? Not goin: to take you -- nat a penny out Of your I pocket, and noW youdre going to spend nine hundred million i dollars. That's going to hurt a11 the citizens here in the State cf Illinois. And I Want to know: Why is it you could not give us I that honor? We even asked you for a commemorative day. No school I would be closed; no bank would be closed. But just May 17th - a : commemorative day to honor that man. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) l Senator 5m1th . 1 SENATORSMITH: 1 And he has... PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Smith. SENATOR SMITH: I just want to find out -- I want to know why he could not 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS I 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 give up that grant. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I We are on Senate Joint Resolution 14. Will you confine your 1 remarks to the resolutlon, please? Please. Wefre under discussion of SJR l4. Senator Welch, for what purpose do you arise?
Thank you, Mr. President. We already passed one resolution that would allow for the tollway to be extended to the south, it's ny understanding. And what this resolution does, it also allows for the extensicn to the north as Well. Is that correctz Senator Philip?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
That is correct -- put on by the Illinois House of Representatives - bipartisan support.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Welch.
I'd just like to raise a question about the environmental inpact of this. It seems that the toll road would go in between a State park and the Volo Bog. There's a -- there's a 1ot of wetlands and marshes up there. Isn't there golng to be a tremendous environmental problem in building this tollway up to the north?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Phllip .
Senator, thës is a corridor, not an alignment. I -- I'm assuming they'll do what they 've done in -- in other tollways - they go out of their way to go around wetlands and marshes. It -- 1 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 it costs a 1ot of extra money, you know y When you go through one ; I of those. And itls just a corridor; there is no centerline. I assure you that will be worked out.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further discussion? Senator 5m1th.
I -- question to the sponsor, please.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates he would yield.
Thank you. Ifd like to ask thisr Presldent: Where v11l the nine hundred million dollars come fron?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
To the north...
It Wll1 be tollway bonds issued by the Illinois Tollway Authority and the pecple who use the tollway. And I'm -- We're not sure whether lt will be a forty- or fifty-cent toll, but they will pay for those bonds. So it's users' fees.
PRESIDING OPFTCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Snith.
Will that be like the Chicago Skyway, that Works at a deficlt now?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip. Senator Philip didn't understand *he question, Senator Smith.
I would -- I asked -- I asked the Senator: Would this also be like the Chicago Skyway, that's in a great defieit? And I 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Leglslative Day July 2, 1993 understand that you cannot get tolls from anyone until itds built.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philtp.
Thank you, Mr. President. To ny knowledge, the Tollway has never built a highway that -- that didn't pay for itself. Now, the Chicago Skyway was built by the City of Chicago under Richard J. Daley. And of course, they did it - and I think they got some help from the Department of Transportation - but for a 1ot of reasons, -- have never worked. I might say this: that the section in my county, which is completed, 355 Was way underguesstlmated ln the toll - the amount of money they were going to make. Therefre about thirty percent more money made frcm that than they anticipated . I would suggest this to you also: that if you use 94 or any of the other highways that go around Chicago, which I use quite often, Which are always clogged up r this intends to release -- to relief <sic> khose. You 'll see a l lot of people coming from Indiana and Wisconsin will not use 94, will use this new 355. So it ought to help pollution; it ought to help traffic, and it ought to be a big plus.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Ralca.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. j Senator Jones, I know We're going to be going to caucus very shortly - at least thatls my understanding - before the surcharge, and I was just wondering if -- if -- if we can convlnce Senator Philip to change the surcharge to the Thurgood Marshall surcharge, can you put seventeen votes on it?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senakor Jacobs. Senator Jacobs. SENATORJACOBS: 1 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Well, I don't know . I -- I donft even know if I want to talk after that one . Thank you, Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. There's a coupte questtons 1 have . First of all, this -- this, as I understand it - this corridor: as tt's been termed - has some serious environmental problems. And know even in my office get calls, and I have nothing to do with this particular area and don't have a lot of concerns about constructing toll -- toll roads, 'cause I think they 're a good way to expand the highway system as well as to fund new highway construction. But I have some concerns With this, mainly from proceduralr and then, I have a question. I understand that -- Ehat all resokutions go through Executive. Tbis, howeverr is a major road, and I think that this should have Went through the Transportation Committee so that we could have had open and falr hearingsg which thls Body has been talking a 1ot about a1l year long. But more importantlyr a question of Senator Philip. You indicate, Senator, that thls is just a corridor; but yet, I have here, from the Departnent of Transportation, informatlon that says in the 1960s a study produced a recorded centerline for the Richmond-Waukegan Corridor. This tells me that this is well beyond a proposal Eor a corridor. This is already a well-situated -- position that is being taken by the Department of Transportation. And I think that we should at least be candid with the Body.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Was that a question? Senator Philip.
Well, thank you. T've been reliably informed that about seventy-five percent of the corridor has already been purchased . And -- and -- and they do -- to get a corridor you have to have some kind of a centerline. But there is no real centerline because they have the corridor, which will -- they gill Work with. 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislatlve Day July 2, 1993 So seventy-five percent of it's already -- already bought and paid for by, incidentally, our tax dollars. Let me also say to Senator Peterson that people Nho use the tollway don't only pay a toll - on 355 itls fifty cents - but they pay motor fuel tax. The motor fuel t#x.dollars that they buy on the tollway go into the fuel -- Motor Puel Fund. So, indirectly, they are paying money towards the Department of Transportation.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jacobs. SENATOR JACOBS) Thank you, Mr. Presldent. I -- I just -- I -- evidently, wedve got two different people telling us tWo dkfferent things, Senatorr because again, this shows that FAP 420, tuenty-four miles from Richmond to Grayslake, a study was produced that recorded -- on a recorded centerline for the corridor. Now, we either have a corrkdor or we have a centerline - recorded centerline - in existence. Which is the case?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
I -- I have been reliably told it 's a corridor. That's what we have.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip, to close.
Let me say this: As you know, when we had 355 go through Dupage County: I certainly took more heat than anybody from people Who live close to it. And I mean I took a 1o* of heat. The Tollway Authcrity went out of its way to go -- to do everything tha: Mortonls Arboretum wanted them to dog because, as you know , that is a non-for-profit organizatian. It is a beautiful place. And they did -- they -- in fact, it cost the the Tollway about 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Leglslative Day July 2: 1993 -- anywhere from ten to fifteen million dollars more to do what ! they had suggestedr and 1.11 give you a -- just a little idea. You know, when they salt the tollways, that salt runs on the arboretum; so they set up a pond and a purifying system so that salt water would not go in the arboretun. .And when you pay your fifty-cent toll, you pay fcr that. So the ccoperatlon is there. You know, it's happened in the past. I happen to think it's the right thing to do. In fact, we should have done it twenty -- we should have done it in 1960, lf the truth be known. The longer you wait, the more expensive it is, and the more people are buying property next to it or developing next to it. So I Would appreciate an Aye vote. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The question is, shall the Senate concur in House Amendment No . 1 to Senate Joint Resolution 14. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed, vote Nay. The voting ls open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 32, the Nays are 4, 22 voting Present. The Senate does concur in House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Jolnt Resolution l4, and the resolution is declared adopted. Mr. Secretary, on Conference Committee Reports on page 1 ll, do you have a file on Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 937? SECRETARY HARRY: First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 937. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip. SENATOR PHILIP: If I remenber correctly, the Minority Leader is going tc... PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Cullerton, for what purpose do you arise? SENATOR CULLERTON : i 57 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 We would -- we would ask for a brief fifteen-minute caucus at this time, before we call this bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Very good. The Senate will stand in recess until 3:15. Senator Donahue.
Well, thank you, Mr. President. I would like to request an informal meeting in Senator Pate Philip's Office.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) That request is in order. The Senate will stand recess for fifteen minutes. (SENATE STANDS IN RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES)
PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Resolutions.
Senate Resolution 685, offered by Senator Smith and others. It's congratulatory, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Consent Calendar. Resolutions Consent Calendar. Wedll now proceed to khe Order of Resolutions Consent Calendar. Wlth leave of the Body, a1l those read in today Will be added to the Consent Calendar. Mr. Secretary, have there been any cbjections flled to the Resolutions Consent Calendar?
No objections have been filed, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Any discusslon? If not, the question is, shall the resolutions on the Consent Calendar be adopted. Al1 those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The motion carries, and the resolutions are adopted. On page of your Calendar, we'll resume with Senate Bill 937.. Senator Philip. 9377 Mr. Secretary.
First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 937.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bi11 And as you know, the four Leaders and the Governor have been working long and hard with thelr staff. This is one of the conpromises that we have worked out. quite frankly, think it's a very good compromise. As you know, brought back to our caucus. There are votes in the caucus -- our share of vctes in the caucus to support Conference Committee -- No. Conference Committee on Senate Bill 937. Let me explaln, briefly, what it does. It makes the surcharge permanent. In 1994, the State Will receive seventy-five percent; lccal governments, twenty-five percent. In 1995, the Local Government Distributive Fund Will change from one-tenth -- one-eleventh one-twelfth: excuse me, to one-eleventh. 1996, the Distributive Fund Will change from one-elevenEh ko one-tenkh permanently. A big plus for local governments, a big plus for the City of Chicago. Now, you'll remember you won't know, but in our meetings, the number one priority of the Minority Leader was Chicago schools. Here are four thinqs we're going to do for our Chicago schools: speed up the school payment from September -- from August to September, that's forty-six million; reduce the Chicago School Finance 59 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Authority reserve, thatfs twenty-two million; early retirement from teachers, five-plus-five - as you know , wefve a11 gotten the letters; we've a11 been harassed - that's twelve mllllon; and allow the City of Chicago to charge school supplies to the textbook fund, which is another savings of four million. There's another thing it has done for the City of Chlcago, which they have requested, which is their highest priority. Now, there are two little things in here for suburbanites and dcwnstaters, who, quite frankly, wLll save the school distrkct sone noney: Included is Senate Bill 88l allows noncertificated personnel to do monitoring in the halls, to do library work, when they do not need a teacher. Secondly, -- it includes House Bill 525, which Would, for the first time, combine downstate regional school distrlcts, and for the first time, allow Cook County only tc elect one superintendent for all of Cook County. Now: as you know, during these neqotiations, Senator Jones' number one prlority was schools. Here are four individual things we're doing for the City of Chicago schools, which is a savings of some eighty-four nillion dollars. Senator Jones, this is what you asked for, this is What you -- and I have your list righ: here that we worked off of. The Mayor of Chicago wants these four; so do you. Here is your chance. Now, the Members on the other side have any questions in regards to the surcharge, I Would suggest that you ask Senator Maitland. He is the guy that did all the the work on it. If you have any questions in regards to the school section, Senator Watson, as you know, has worked on that. So herels your chance. Ninety percent of this is for the City of Chicago. Ten percent is for us suburbanites and downstate people. So without further ado, would be happy to answer any questions.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Maitland.
60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 Well, thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Indeed wbat we do this afternoon is is critically important to State Government for not only Fiscal Year '94, but for years beyond Fiscal Year '94. think Senator Philip has -- has adequately explained to the Body What the surcharge does. Maybe We ought to talk for a moment about what the surcharge does not do. We have, for several days now - and more specifically and in more detail yesterday been dealing with the FY194 budget - a budget that every one of us knows is premised on the continuation, or the making permanent, the surcharge. And there have been a number of agreements that have been made by the four Leaders. And indicate again, ''agreement made by the four Leaders.'' Amon: them, we have increased in the elementary and secondary education budget thirty-five million dollars above the Governor's level - something that we al1 feel strongly about. And in agreements yesterday in agreements yesterday - the budget negotiators were instructed to reallocate a little bit of that money and put an additional twenty-one million dollars - an additional twenty-one million dollars - in the formula, to accommodate some of the concerns on the other side of the aisle. We believe that is rfght and that is just. And With the passage of the surcharge, the budget negotlators continued to move forward with that assumption. Will be interesting to watch now, when thls vote is taken later on, how the Members cn the okher side of the aisle vote, because we absolutely have consented to a11 of your concerns. And as I said on this Floor a Week ago, uhen We passed a budget out of here, what we do with education is crttically important and every subsequent vote you take will give you less. And we have accommodated -- we have accommodated those concerns, and this vote you take today will be the last time you vote for an increase in the funding for elementary and secondary education. Because Nhen we leave here today, we have one of two options. And I have 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 already talked to Representative Mcpike. He knows about the vote that Will be taken here. And when we start negotiatlons next Wednesday mornlng at 10 o'clock: we will either negotiate a budget based on - based on - the continuation of the surchatge or we will vote - ge will vote - on a budget without the surcharge, and every one of you will have to explain why you did that. The hue and cry is going out. Senator Jones, you have commented hour after hour, day after dayr that you're not going to vote for the continuation of this -- of this process, the continuation of the surcharge, until you know what the budget is. You noW have thirty-slx votes. You can reject any budget that's presented herer so that's a bogus argument. It is time - it is time - for us to move forward and deal with this lssue. Not a one of you can go back to your district after a No vote or a Present vote and explain that you voted against the continuation of the surcharge. You absolutely cannot. And one final point, Senator Jacobs - one final point: two bills may be voted on this afternoon - tWo bills. Let me tell you what -- what this does to the State budget. Those two bills amount to nearly one billion dollars in revenue to this Statey when you bring into it the gross figures from the federal government the matching dollars. Those of you Who stand on that Floor and argue - argue - about those social prcgrams that you are concerned about and sit there and smile, you won't have them. They will be dramatically cut. Will be interesting. Will be interesting. The proper and just vote for the people you serve, over there, is a 7es vote.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson.
Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members. I9d like to take a little time of the Body here to talk about the education issues that are present in Senate Bill 937, and as it says -- Senate 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 President mentionedy these were established as priorities, a great deal of this, by the Minority Leader of this Senate. We address several of the concerns that I think many of us have, and -- those of us throughout the State of Illinois that share the concern for the City of Chlcago and the public schools of Chicago. We hear a great deal about the funding problems in Chicagor and quite frankly, that's a problem that's statewide; that's not just in Chicagor but that seems to be where we're focusing because of the big hole that they seem to have in the upcoming budget for next flscal year. We address four areas in this legislatlon that will create an eighty-four-milllon-dollar budget plus for the Chicago public schools. We a1l want to see them open. I think a11 Members of this Body -- want to make sure that the young people of the City of Chicago get an opportunity to be educated just as every other schoolchild throughout this State. And eighty-four million dollars may not solve a11 the problems of the City and the public schoolsy but it'll certainly make -- go a long Way. There's other -- other pieces of legislation in here that think that need to be identified, and webve never debated it fully to the extent on this Floor, but we have in the Education Committee and certainly the House, and that Nas originally House Bill 525. And I thlnk that's one in an effort that we al1 can recognize by which we are consolidating the services of education and the delivery of services to the young young people of this State and to our schools throughout this State when we combine the educational service centers and the regkonal superintendent of schools. We hear a great deal about the duplication and a lot of people in our districts have asked us, ''Why do we have this?'' We're making an effort in this legislation of consolidaticn of those -- of those services. It reduces -- currently, right now, We have fifty-six regional superintendents of sehool. After the 1994 election, it will go to forty-five - forty-five regional 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 superintendents of school. After the 1998 election, it Will go ta thirty-five. And that's Where it will remain. And those regional superintendents will then supervise the services being offered currently by the educational service centers. There will be oversight - local oversight and local input. .And everyone from the reglonal superintendents of school to the State Board of Education to the business community, and those people out there concerned about delivery of educaticn to the young people of this State, have signed off and agree to the process by which We're about to vote. We create a regional superlntendent for the suburban Cook County schools. We remain -- the educational service centers remain as three in Cook County, and they would be then headed by an assistant. We give this -- one thing that -- the times that I visited Chicago and we went into the schools of the City of Chicago and we had hearings in the City of Chicago, talking about the concerns of the educators in the City of Chicago - five-and-five. ''Why weren't we given an opportunity, as every other educator in this State, to participate in the five-and-five and retlre early? Why weren 't we given that same opportunity?'' They 're going to get that opportunity in this bill. This legislation allows for the five-and-five concept, by which every other teacher in this State was given an opportunity when we passed it this last year. That could solve a lot of the problems in the City of Chicago. We 've talked a 1ot about khe ! 1 supernumerary issue and the impact that that has; this in many cases has been identified as a means by which to end that supernumerary problem . Give those teachers the opportunity to purchase those five years and retire early. Senator Maitland talked about the hundred and forty-five million dollars that We have made available to education in this State. I think when We do that, we have established that education truly is a priority of the Illinois Senate, When in tough times, as they are now : to 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 1 allocate a hundred and forty-five milllon dollars for khe young people of this State, is to be commendable. And this Body should I go unanimous in support of the hundred and forty-five million that I will be made available to elementary and secondary education. 1 I Higher education will get slxty million dollars. I think it would be very clear, With a Yes vote on this bill today, khat the priority of the Illinois Senate is truly educatlon and *he young people of this State. And 1,11 be very disappointed if We don't see that support coming from the entire Body here today. If you're concerned about young people and you want to see the public schools prosper and glve a better opportunity tc the future of the -- of our young people of thls State, the only responsible way to go is a Yes vote on Senate Bill 937. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jones.
Thank you , Mr. President and Menbers of the Senate. I -- I feel it is appropriate that I really tell the Whole truth, rather than the half-truth that bas been qiven out on the Second Floor and by my counterparts, Senate President Pate Philip . When we Nent down to negotiate -- and these are the words of the Governor when he came out to the press, ''We have a tentative agreement. , The Leaders gill take these issues back to their respective caucuses to decide and see how they feel about it, and if they can , garner support.'' We did that. We go back in meetings with the Governor and I expressed my grave concerns, Senator MaiEland, as relayed to me by the -- the Democratic Caucusy on a variety cf issues that they have grave concerns about. We dlscussed them; ! nothing -- no action took place. There Was grave concern about the Medicaid assessmenE and dispropcrtionate hospitals. They couldn't do anything about it. When I discovered late on June 30th - late on June 30th - that we had concocted a roll call vote 1 I 65 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 to give the Governor an excuse to sign a tax measure so he can f I ulfill his promise to Tobln that he would not vote for any taxes unless it had a super-majority, which is thirty votes, then I discovered, as Members on your slde of the aisle and includlng the Members on thls side of the aisle, that this whole roll call and delay was orchestrated . I thlnk the press knows, you on that side of the aisle knog, that Senator Emil Jones, the Minority Leader, do not set the schedule. During the month of June, how many days were we ln Session? I did not set the schedule. That is the sole prerogative left Eo the President, and he can change it anytime he so desire. We do not control the paperwork when the bills are filed, when they are presented to us for a vote. What we have requested as Senate Democrats on this side is that we are requesting your -- the same thing your colleagues requested in Washinqton: We want to see the hundred and fifty million dollars in budget cuts before we even attempt to vote for a tax increase. We have discussed this over and over again. There was never any agreement - and make this crystal clear - never any agreement as to What order the bills shall be called . Had We voted on a11 these bills, and say we passed them out on June 30thr or passed them out yesterday, We would still be here doing the budget, because lt takes at least three to four days to do the budget. Who's kldding who? Wha 's playtng games? The Members on this skde are prepared to participate, and we have told you time and time again. You rammed through a budget on Senate Bill 5: and -- that cut monstrous programs to help the poor, disabledr the homeless. You cut pragrams to help those Who are in dkre need of health care, and ycu sit here and have the audacity to tell us, ''Trust us.'' No, we don lt have the trust. You have told the media time and time again that the Senate Democrats are not organized. Let me tell you one thing: We are unifted. We are organized better than we have been the lask ten years, and you did it, and I Want ( 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Leqislative Day July 2, 1993 I i to thank you for it. A11 the issues that you have talked about j for education: I had to fight like hell to get 'em included ln ; there, because you weren't going to deal with it. You were not I going to deal with it. And I'm saying to you who were not ln the room,therewasnoagreementastowhatorderthebills shall be 1 called . There were votes on this side of the alsle who were prepared and indicated that they were willing to vote for this bill. Senator Philip got on the Floor without affording me the courtesy or opportunity to respond to his remark that, ''They don 't have any votes. They are totally dlsorganized .'' And I had told him that my Members, havlng been bad two or three times on the budget issue, they Want to see the pie. They want to see the meat. They want to partlcipate. The same thlng your colleagues in Washington, the Republicans, told the President: We want to see where the cuts are going to be. So that is the issue that we are faced with here. We are unified . We must see the total package. It's an insult to any legislator to tell them you want them to vote on somethlng when we haven't even seen the draft. The staff hasn't had time to look at the language. If you vote like that: then youlre not representlng your constltuents. You're not doinq it. And I know my colleagues on the other side of the aisle Want to do just that. We want fairness. There are concerns as it relate to the total package - total package - and bhese issues have been addressed in the meetings we had on the Second Floor, but theydve fallen on deaf ears. They could not get the Medicaid assessment passed in the House because of the sane identical problem. We are legislators. We represent people a11 across this State. I'm the one that said education should be one for al1 of the children - upstate, downstate, the urban areas. That's why it's in there. Bu* unless we have the total package, then we're only fooling ourselves. Again, I would have loved to have had the gavel, 'cause having the gavel, you control the flow i 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS i 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I E REGULAR SESSION ! SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislatlve Day July 2, 1993 and the process. We could have been out of here on May 28th. I didn't have the gavel. A11 the lnitiatives put forth by this side became your initiatives. You controlled the schedule. Then you have the audacity to say Emil Jones is stalling the process? No, we're not stalling the process. We owe the people who elect usz We oWe the people of the State of Illinois, to see Where al1 these cuts are coming from . We have the votes. Ready to deal with the issues. Ready to present as a posltive vote, Senatcr Philipr but we must see the neat. We are not going to buy a pig wrapped in a blanket. And I don 't expect ycu to do anything like that yourself, because if you did, you 're cheatlng yourselves. So When you call for a vote , we 're go ing to show you: We have seventeen i votes that are ready to go, when we deal w1th the entire package. But let's stop sending out misinformation. I have nothing to do with the schedule. ïou set the schedule; we try and follow it. I appreciate the courtesy cf you calling me and letting me know ; ahead of time Nhen we are going to do certain things. We have i seventeen that will vote Present to match the nineteen that you said you had . But 1et us deal with the entire packager because voting it out today does not solve the problem. We still have three or four days to deal With the -- the budget. My seventeen will vote Present on this issue. These are potential Yes votes on this issue, but we cannot do it now, because We will be cheating ourselves, you 'll be cheating yourselves. But maybe you know - maybe you know, since you control the process - ghere everything is. We don't know. Wefve never seen the bills, and thatls why we must sit down and negotiate on the budget, because ge cannot afford to hurt the poor people that need government to meet their needs. But I reiterate over and over again, our seventeen Present votes will be on this bill: as theysre indicating that We are unified, and these are Yes votes when the -- when the package is right for us to deal on. And when we do that, then we can proceed 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GEKERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 With State Government and helping the people of the State of Illinois.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Geo-Earis. Senator Geo-Xarls?
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, about tWo years ago, for the first time, voted on a surtax an increase ln ineome tax. We increased it by a -- one-half percent. Then we made one-half that one-half percent permanent for educaticn. So all that Wefre talkkng about in the surtax is one-faurth of one percent. And why? Because We needed the money. Now #f my colleague - wbom I love dearly - who just finishedy will really face the facts, there are paychecks that are not going to go out for the welfare people. The people you represent are going to be hurt more by this posturlng. It's a matter of common sense. Instead of letting the surtax dlssolve itself, which it did on the 30th -- the end of -- the first of July, wefre trying to continue lt because we need it for the varlous servlces. And when you say that we have the gavel, we 've finally gotten that gavel in eighteen years, but you had the gavel for eighkeen years and some of the excesses that we have had Ne did not cause. So now that -- we have worked hard. Our Apprcpriations people have worked With your Appropriations people for nany, many, many hours to get a resolution to the stability of the State. And yet, Ne dre going to have petty feelings interfere, so that the people who reakly need the money will not be getting A1l because of what? I submit, it's posturing. And don't tell me you didn't know what was going on, for heaven's sakes. We would have finished by May the 28th, but then your City of Chicago threw a monkey wrench into things because they wanted riverboats at the last minute. So consequently, we were delayed and delayed and delayed. I submitr we're causîng the people of Illinois an expense that We do not 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS . 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! I 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 need to cause if we vote today and pass this bill. Otherwise, we 're adding more and more expense to the people - the taxpayers of Illinois. And I think We lre losing our sense of conscience. I submit -- and I'm going to vote fcr this bill, 'cause we need it. And I submit that if you're as conscientious abcut the people you represent as we're trying to be about your people and our people - by that I mean al1 the people of Illinols - then vote for the bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator -- Senator DeAngelis? SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. President. A life ago, when I Was singley I I had a roommate: and We used to frequent a bar in Senator Palmer's I area called the East End Park Lounge. And every Wednesday nlght you could get two drinks for the price of one, and I know that for a dollar thirty-five: I drank more martinis than I could handle. I would go ln there with a rocmmate, and being a bachelor, you d1d a little stalking, and one day this very attractive young lady Walked in and my roonmate immediately went up there and he asked her if she could -- he could have a date With her on Friday night. Friday night came. Swede went there. She Wasn't there. Following Wednesday We went back into the bar; she was there again. Swede asked ber for a date. Friday night came; she wasn't there. I met him afterwards and he said, ''l am going to really flx her.'' And I saidr ''What are you going to do, Swedea'' He said , ''I'm never going to ask her out agatnv'' Well, you know what? That's what your speech sounds like. Who are you fixing? Who are you doing this to? What is the victory? Wha: is it? You know, another thing: Senator Carrolly been here fourteen years -- I found out you were going out with her later on. Senator Carroll, for fourteen years - I've been here fourteenr youdve been here sixteen - I have heard the last speech of every Session: The 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ! REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 budget this year is twenty-nine million four hundred and thirty-seven thousand two hundred and thirty-two dollars, and we have fulfilled our constitutional obligation of balancing the budget. Well, Senator Jones, if we dc what you Want, we 're . violating our constituticnal responsibilities, or. Howie Carroll's a blg liar. Okay? One of the two. 'Causer you know what? You want to do tùe budget before you know about the money. And : franklyr you cannot do that. And you know, I was in the washroon not too long ago, where some of us might do our best work, and scmebody - and I'm not going to mention - from the other side satd, ''We11, you know, We want some input in the budget.'' Wellr I got to tell you: Has anybody been up to the sixth floor for the last Week? They wonît Walk into a conference room, which constitutes -- which is filled with about three-quarters Democrats ; I and poor John Maitland and a few Republicans. Senator Severns, have you been negotlating the budget? I mean, is everything that's coming out now just a bolt of enlightenment or lightning? The fact is, there has been negotiations. And, Senator Jonesr by your own admlssion when you said the educational things would not : h 1 ave been dcne had you not forced them, you indicated and admitted j : that the neqotiations had been going on and you were a part of it. And if you weren 't a part of it, you couldn't have had that done. 1111 tell you, I heard comments about ''It's irresponsible to do i this now.'' Well, I'm going to tell you -- is Speaker Madigan a fool? Is he a fool? 'Cause he did it tWo days ago, the j l surcharge. And by the way -- let's take a poll on that one -- and by the way -- and by the way, speaking -- speaking of the surcharge, where were those eloquent words you spoke the last ttme we passed the extension? And where were they when the first time we passed it? Did you ask for the budget then? No. D1d you ask for the budget the second time? No . So tell me what this is a11 ! about. You brought up Congress. Well, 1et me tell you something 71 ' STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 I I about Congress: Ccngress does not have to do a balanced budget. E I They can do it any way they want to, and frankly, if we had that i prlvilege, I don't think we could handle it any better than they . did afterthe--thediscussionsI'veheardtoday. Youknow,you 1 may not Want to know -- you may not want to buy a pig in the Nay you described it, but I want to tell you one thing you may not want to do: You may -- you may not want to buy a pig that weighs nore than you could afford. So you better know that first. And you know, I cannot believe -- I cannot believe that thls Body is buying the rhetoric of nonsense that you can go ahead and spendy even though you cut with i*, and know that you've done it right, without knowing what youdve got in your pocket. I want to tell you something: You may have reasons, and maybe -- you know, this is the first year that you perhaps have not had the Chair. And maybe this is your way of getting your vengeance on somebody elsez but, folks, youfre dolng it the wrong way, Icause you 're holding your people hostage in that process. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philip, to close. Senator Maitlandr excuse me; I didn 't see your light. SENATOR MAITLAND: Mr. President, I -- I guess I apologize for rising a seccnd time. This is an issue that, at least for me: is -- is very critical and -- and very important. I really fear where We qo fron here this afternoon if We don't get an agreement on this issue. I Nant to reiterate a point, flrst of all, khat Senator DeAngelis madey and it is -- it is -- it is justified, I think. Senator Jones, in 1989, the birth of the surcharge, it came to this Body and you voted for it, and there was no budget in place. There was no budget in placer and you supported it then. Your argument, as Senator DeAngelis says, falls on deaf ears. And now let's go back to your strong point about education one more time. 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION ' SENATE TRANSCRIPT i I 72nd Legislative Day July 2: 1993 A hundred-and-forty-five- million-dollar increase. Your school district benefits more than anyone else in this State, and ' yesterday, once again, with the four Leaders, the Governor and the four budset leaders, you agreed: subject to the passage of the surcharge, with the reallocation that put twenty-one million extra dollars in the formula - benefits you. Senator Severns, you're a negotiator. You can't go back to Decatur having voted against ' this. As a negotiatcr, you certalnly can't. It can't be done. I i Senator Jones, buying the pig in the blanket. Keep in mind, things are different now in the negotiations. In case youdve forgotten, there is a batance there now . Democrats no longer control that process. It's Republicans and Democratsr so neither one of us are going to get anything out here to the Floor until we b0th agree: and we sure as hell can't negotiate a budget if we don't -- know what the revenue is. That's what's gotten us into the problems we've had in the past, I guessz in government. NoW wedre trying to do it right. Wefre trying to establish some money on this side, and build our priorities into thls side. And r will tell you, I am prepared, untkl hell freezes over, to -- wlthcut the passage of this surcharge, to negotiate only a non-surcharge budget. And, Senator Welch, you will go back to your district, you will go back to Northern, and you Will tell then exactly what's happened. 1911 have to do the same thing to my university, but I can say I stood here on the Ploor of this Chamber, pursuant to the agreement made by the four Leaders and the Governory and voted for a surcharge to fund government adequately. We are now past the lst of July - new -- new year. Checks Will noW be held up , and it's going to be interesting to watch hoW the press covers thisy because theylve watched this process too, Senator Jones. They also know what's happened. I don't want that to happen. Sometimes you have to nake tough decisions. Wedre prepared to make those tough decisionsr and you damn well better: too. 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Philipz to close.
Thank you, Mr. Presidentz Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator Jones, a very well-prepared speech, very well delivered not too accurate. And I Will tell you this, Senator Jones: The Senate has had hearlngs on the budget. The Illinois House has had hearings on the budget. The budgeteers have been gcing at the last three days, that know of. have been in one of the meetings, and 1611 tell you one thing: Senator Maitland is going to heaven - straight up: nonstop . And what is the problem? Your side is not wllling to cut. Now there 's no Way you 're going tc put this budget together unless you cut something. You're the adders; we're the cutters. That's Why this budget isn't put together. didn 't bother you for the first surcharge tax vote, you didn't have the budget - the second one when We extended it temporarily. You didn 't have the budget either time. It was no problem . It's an excuse. It's a Weak-kneed excuse. Let me remind you what this does for the City of Chicagor that you 're always defending. Surcharge gives the City of Chicago eighty-six million dollars. Let me remind youz your number one priority - your number one priority - City of Chlcago schools. Elghty-four million dollars. You know, this may be your only vote. Thks may be your only opportunity, Senator Jones. You know, you occupy the same chair that Senator Rock has for a decade. You also Work at *he same desk that Senator Rock worked at. You also voEe the same switch that Senator Rock did for over a decade. I remember Sena*or Lapallle saying, nBe llke Mike.'' Well, Senator Jones, today We ought to be like Senator Rack. Now, Senator Rock, We had our arguments, we had our disagreements, but 1.11 tell you one thing: When it came to the State of Illinois, when it cane to issues, when it came to the budget, Senator Rock did the right 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I I 72nd Legislative Day July 2, 1993 I thing and voted Aye. So today, to my friends on the other side of ' the aisle, don't do what -- what Representative Madigan -- or -- j Representative Mike Madigan. Do what Senator Rock Nould do. He Would vote Aye.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The question is, shall the Senate adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 937. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote No. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wlsh? Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that questionr the Ayes are 19r the Nays are 20, and 17 voting Present. The Conference Cammittee Report is not adopted, and the Secretary shall so ynform the House. .vvtmicrophone cutoffl...therels no further business to come before the -- Senator Philip moves the Senate stand adjourned until July the 7th, Wednesday, the hour of 3 p .m . 75 REPORT: TIFLDAT STZTE 0F ILLINOIS 9:/11/29 PAGE: O01 88TH GEMERAL àSSEMBLY 3::02:51 SEPATE DZILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEB:TE INDEX JULY 02, 1993 HB-0176 CONFEREVCE PAGE 26 HB-0300 CONFERENCE PZGE 13 H8-1852 CONFEREMCE PAGE 28 I 58-0266 CONCURREMCE PZGE 1V SB-0k06 COPCURRENC6 PAGE 15 l SB-0937 CONFERENCE PZGE 57 SB-093T CONFERENCE PAGE 59 SB-1105 COMCURREVCE PZGE 30 SB-1105 CONCURRENCE PAGE 17 I SB-1105 OUT OF RECORD PZGE 25 5R-0667 ADOPTED PZGE 5 5R-0668 ZDOPTED PZGE 9 5R-0682 RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE ) 5R-0683 âDOPTED PZGE V 5R-0683 RESOLUTION OFFERED ' PAGE V 5R-068% ZDOPTED PZGE 5 SR-068V RESOLUTIO: OFF6RED PZGE 5 3R-0685 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 58 HJR-0062 RESOLUTiOV OFFERED PZGE V HJR-0O63 RESOLUTION OFFERED PRGE 3 HJR-0065 RESOLUTION OFFEHED PAGE 3 HJR-0066 ADOPTED - PZGE VV HJR-0066 RESOLUTION OFFERED ' PAGE Vk SJR-O013 ADOPTED PZGE kv SUBJECT HATTER SENATE TQ ORDER-PRESIDENT PHiLIP PAGE 1 PRZYER-SEVZTOR GEO-KARIS PZGE 1 JOURNALS-POSTPQNED PAGE 1 COHMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 1 MESSAGES FROM T;E HOUSE PZGE 2 MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE PAGE 3 MESS&GE FROH THE HOUSE PAGE IV HESSAGE FROH THE HOUSE PAGE VV RECESS PâGE 58 SENATE RECONVENES PZGE 58 RESOLUTIOVS CONSEVT CZLEVD&R-&DOPTED PAGE 58 ADJOURVHEVT P2GE 75 1 ! l ! l I : 1