PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The regular Session of the 88th General Assembly will please come to order. Will the Members please be at their desks, and Will our guests in the gallery please rise. Our prayer today Will be given by Reverend Gerry Constock, Unity Church, Springfield, Illinois. Reverend Constock.
(Prayer by the Reverend Gerry Comstock)
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Reading of the Journal, Mr. Secretary.
Senate Journal of Tuesday, October 26th, 1993.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Butler.
Mr. President, move that the Journal just read by the Secretary be approved, unless some Senator has additions or corrections to offer.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Butler has moved that the approval of the Journal just read. There being no objectionz it is so ordered. Senator Butler.
Mr. President, I move that the reading -- reading and approval of the Journal of Wednesday, October 27th, in the year 1993, be postponed, pendlng arrival of the printed Journal.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Butler moves to postpone the reading and approval of the Journal, pending arrival of the printed transcripts. There being no objection, it is so ordered. Committee Reports.
Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rules, reports Ehat STATE OF ILFINOIS ! 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leglslative Day October 28# 1993 I the following Legislative Measures have been assigned Be Approved ! I for Consideration: Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 344. Senator Madigan, Chair of the Committee on Insurance Pensions and Licensed Activltles, reports Senate Bill 358, the motion to concur with House Amendments 1 and 3 Be Adopted.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) For What purpose does Senator Denuzio arise?
Thank your Mr. President. On a point of personal privilege.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point.
I'd like to introduce a gentleman that is on my right, sitting -- standing behind Senator Shadid. It is Senator Shadid's son, Jim, a lawyer from Peoria. His father declded to bring him down here to study parliamentary procedure and rules and other facts of life, in his contlnulng education. And we are certainly delighted to have him with us today here in the Senate. So if you would join me in welconing Jim Shadld to the Senate.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Welcome, Jim . For what purpose does Senator Geo-Karis arise?
Mr. President, on a point of personal privilege.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point.
Mr. President, one of our colleagues yesterday attained the magnificent age of 41 years. In other wordsr he's past forty. However, he's a man of many accomplishments, a lovely wife and four children. And he's a very astute lawyer, and -- and actually, he's wise beyond his years - sometimes too wise - but very, very nice. I'd like to tell everyone to wish Senator Tom Mccracken a 2 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislatlve Day October 28, 1993 happy 41st birthday and many more. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Happy Birthday, Tom . For what purpose does Senator Woodyard ! i arise? SENATOR WOODYARD: Thank your Mr. President. I do have a -- a delegation from Mainland China here that I would like to bring up to the Podium ; E and introduce. But just before thaty I would like to change the ï sponsorship of a House b111 that came out of Rules Committee yesterday afternoon. It's House Bill 344. I am presently the sponsor of that bill, and I would like to change the lead sponsor to Senator Hawkinson, and thus the sponsors Would be Senator Hawklnsony Senator Shadid, Senator Burzynski and Senator Woodyard. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVCR) Is there leave? Leave is granted. Resolutions. 1 i ! SECRETARY HARRY: q ( Senate Resolution 884, offered by Senators del Valle, Stern and others. Senate Resolution 885, by Senator Hasara. Senate Resolution 886, Senator Vadalabene. Senate Resolution 887, Senatcr Dudycz. Senate Resolution 888: Senator Phllip and a11 Majority 1 Members. Senate Resolution 889, Senator Hasara. Senate Resolution 890: Senator Topinka . Senate Resolution 891, Senators Geo-Karis, Peterson and others. Senate Resolution 892, Senator Demuzio . ! And Senate Joint Resclution 99, offered by Senator Cronin. i They lre a11 ccngratulatory, commendatory and designatory resolutions, Mr. President. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Consent Calendar. Senator Klemm, for what purpose do you I arise? SENATOR KLEMM: ; Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. I would llke to ask leave j from the . Bcdy to suspend the appropriate rules and adcpt Senate 1 Joint Resolution 96. It's a congratulatory resolution that was filed a little bit late. It's something that we have to dor and pass over to the House. I Would like to ask the accommodation of the Senate to adopt this resolution.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Klemm has moved to suspend the rules for the purpose of the inmediate consideration and adcption of Senate Resolution - - SJR 96. Those ln favor will say Aye. Opposed: Nay. The rules i are suspended. The Ayes have it. Senatcr Vlemm, to explain your - - has moved to -- for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolutlon 95 <sic>. Those ln favor will say Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The resolution's adopted. Senator Woodyard has some I : guests he would like to introduce to the Senate. So if you'll give us your attention. Senator Woodyard.
Thank you, Mr. President. Visiting the Senate today, We have ( some special guests from -- from China. These gentlemen and ladies are from a major university in China; Professor Fang, who is up here, is the lead delegate of -- of this group . He is the acting president and vice president of the board of trustees of Ching Wauh University in Beijingr China. This university is -- would be similar in class to our Harvard University. So it's -- it's a very prestiglous university. As a matter of fact, it was founded with American dollars back -- right after the Boxer Rebellion, the American government did put money into China for E education, and this university was cne of those established with 1 that money. And With thats I would like Professor Fang to say a 1 i I 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 I few words to us. I PROFESSOR FANG: (Renarks by Professor Fang) PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) On page 7 of the Calendar, on the Order of Conference Committee Reports, there is Senate Bill 614. Senator O 'Malleyr did ycu Wish to call thls bill for the purpose of defeating l ! Conference Committee Report No. l and request a second conference commlttee? SENATOR O'MALLEY: Well -- wellr Mr. Presldent, yesr indeed I did. And With -- without repeating what you said, I'11 just go along with that. I Would ask for a Present vote on this bill, so that we could have a second conference conmlittee appointed . PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR WEAVER) Madam Secretary, do you have on file a Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 614? ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER : Yes . First Conference Colnmittee Report on Senate B1l1 614. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The Chair recognizes Senator O 'Malley. Senator O 'Malley -- the question is, shall the Senate adapt the Canference Coatmittee Report on Senate Bill 614. Those in -- favor Will vote Aye . Opposed will vote Nay . The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that questiony the Ayes are l, the Nays 2, 47 voting Present. The Senate -- the Conference Com ittee Report is not adopted , and the Secretary shall so inform the House. On page 2 of the Calendar , House Bills 3rd Reading . If you wish to -- Senator Maitland? Read the bill, Madam Secretary. ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER : House Bill 4 . (Secretary reads title of bill) 5 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 3rd Reading of the bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Maitland .
Thank you very much , Mr . President . Members of the Senatey House 9i11 4 does represent the -- the supplemental appropriation bi11 that we have been dealing with. And I want to, first of all, thank the conlmittee for the -- for the effort they put forth two days ago: during this hearing process. Quite a contrast betWeen what our Members , both Repubkican and Democrats , did in -- (n our hearing versus what happened the day before across the Rotunda . It was a good hearing , a good discussion r and I -- I appreciate, Senator Hall, the -- the Members on your side ê and certainly on our side , for far their efforts durëng this heartng . Mr . Presldentz House Bill 4 does represent a total of three hundred and fifty-five million dcllars. And -- and let me just indicate that -- that the -- that the appropriation bill does represent nost of our -- our flood-related funding. It is in -- the total flood amount is three hundred and five million dollars, and the total General Revenue of flood-related is twenty-nlne million dollars . Total General Revenue in House Bill 4 , Mr . President , is thirty-one million five hundred -- three hundred fifty-three thousand dollars. Let me indicate to you that this does represent the authority to spend the FEMA money that we antlcipate getting from the federal government within the next -- within the next few Weeks. Mr. President# I Would be happy to respond to any questions any Member might have , otherwise Would appreciate support for House Bill 4 , that we might move this over to the House and deal with it in a timely fashicn .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Discussion? Senator Carroll.
6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlenen of the Senate. 1 I personally suppcrt totally the issue on obtalnlng the flocd noneys as quickly as we can. And I think that's a very important process we should be going through, and I wish this was limited to ' that. But unfortunately it is not, and there's sane issues I think we have to raise on other items in the legislation. For exampler there is some noney for the veterans' home in Quincy at a time when, according to the Quincy Herald, there's a police probe going on, on these exact, very accounts, at the veterans' home. I ! an not suggesting that something illegal, improper, immoral, or 4 ' . I fattening is taking place at the Quincy home. But it would seem I to me that it would be very improper for the General Assembly to place additional funds in the hands of the members' trust fund, Which is under, according to the Quincy Herald, a Illinois State Police prcbe of the usage of those funds. I think we should take thcse funds out of this b111, until that issue is resolved one way or the other. It is my hope, of course, that there is no improper conduct by anybody at that institution. Additionally, there's an issue of Mt. Morris School District. Mt. Mcrris School District is supposed to be - according to what we have been told - merging with the Oregon School District, but in this legislation -- in this legislation, the Governor and the Republican Party saw fit to loan to Mt . Morrls an amount of money to keep their klds in school. A thousand dollars a student. By the way, that is the equivalent of four hundred eleven million dollars if such a loan Were given to the City of Chlcago to keep its schools open. The Governor has seen fit to loan to one district -- now Ehere 's strikes going on in this State, unfortunately , elsewhere; there 's a hundred plus schools on a school watch for f inancial problems . The Governor has chosen one school to give a thousand dollars a pupil to keep that school open , ignoring - at least in part of my district - four hundred and eleven thousand students. In Chicago, 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28y 1993 What's before the General Assembly, if it ever gets here, is nct for *he Sta*e to give it any money, because the Governor said, ''No, We will not loan Chicago any money.'' In Chicago they are saying, ''We're not even going to 1et you go borrow yourself.'' The - r . agreements reached between the Chicago Board of Education and j i Chicago Teachers' Union, which we should be voting on, say to the ! ! Chicago Board of Education, Chicago Teachers' Union, HBorrow your own money; pay it back out of your own property taxes.' No State I i involvenent at all. We can't even get that to a vote. But the Governor has seen fit to say a thousand dollars a student, in one district, State money - not their own money, State money. That's okay. I hope this is taken out of the bill. If it's in, you've given us the greatest issue in a Governor's campaign you could ever have. Because it has shown once againr where are the Governor's priorltles? Not the four hundred and eleven thousand students in the City of Chicago, or in Berwyn/clcero who have problems, or in Senator Demuzio's district and al1 the other districts of the State who have problems. He has chosen who he believes in to give State loans to. To the exclusion of the others, that has no place in this legislation. If it's good for the goose, it's got to be good for the gander. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Severns. SENATOR SEVERNS: i Thank your Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I concur especially with the questions raised with Mt. Morris. The simple fact of the matter is, if the school district changes their mind next fall, this loan turns into a grant, and I think it would be much better if we had substantive language written into the bill, as we consider it, rather than rely on a hopey prayer and promise that what they 're thinking today is what they're going to be thinking next fall - only because there are school districts i 8 i k STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28: 1993 across this State that share the problen. On another issue that was raised during the Appropriatlons Committee yesterdayr a question that I raised, and was not satisfied with the response, deals with a bill that Senator Cronin has - House Bill 1256. Governor Edgar vetoed the bill. It's notlfication of employers of child molesters and drug criminals. They are now -- he is noW requesting - while a minor amcunt ten thcusand dollars. When asked how they will use this moneyr the response was insufficient. Basically they said that they wculd use the money to pay for certified mail to employers. And I said, $'We1ly what happens after that?'' They said , ''We11, then we 're going to have to investigate .'f I said , ''So what you 're saying is, we 're going to have to come back and request the money in a future supplemental for the investigation, because you don 't have the money noW .'' Welly basically the answer - while not direct - was yes. I just think that's something that we need to be aware of. I'm not certain why the Governor would veto it and then request it in a supplemental with the instruction that lf We pass a supplemental, he '11 then work for an override of his own veto . It sounds a little ludlcrous to me, but lt happens to be the fat contained in th is b il1 . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senatcr Hall. SENATOR HALL : Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Will the sponsor yield for a question? PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates that he would . SENATOR HALL : Senator Maitland, the the federal money and things Will be in there, is Ehat right r for this -- for the flood victims and things? 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Maitland.
Senator Hall, yes. We anticipate the money during this fiscal year, and we sinply need the authority to appropriate that moneyr when we get it, to both the State and the locals.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hall.
Well, in all the years I've been here, I've always supported Chicago, Chicago with schools and something else. This is something downstate as well as everywhere else in this State. This flood was a disaster beyond anything. So 1111 encourage everybody to vote Aye on this bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hendon.
Thank your Mr. Chairman. 1, toor will vote Aye on this bill, because of the reasons stated by Senator Hall, and the reasons stated ln in committee. However, I did -- since Senator Carroll has mentioned this school sltuation, I won't dwell on that more than to say hope we eventually get around to Chicago public schools. But I did want to, at least for the record, voice my opposition to the position that's created here, which to me is simply a patronage position of a seccnd deputy auditor general, and Welre going to pay this person thirty-seven thousand two hundred dollars for six mon*hs to do work that is already being performed by someone else: and that's some sixty-five thousand dollars a -- a year. I'm sure theyfll be back to renew this contract at the end of the six nonths, and think that that's -- this is not the time to be adding to an already bloated bureaucracy. And even though I will be voting for the billr I did STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 want to state for the record my opposition to this position that was put there for no other reason bu* to satisfy scneone's political patronage.
PRESIDISG OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Geo-Karis.
i Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, we want ! to talk about priorities. This side of the aisler couple of weeks ago passed a bill to help the four hundred and eleven thousand students in Chicago schools. And there Wasn't cne Democrat vote on it. So don't tell me about prioritiesr When ycu dcn't even handle your own group too well. A11 I can say is, When you want to talk about patronage, look intc your own side of the aisle and just don't blame the Governor whenever you can get a chance, simply because he's running for office. I think he's done a darn good job, and it's about time you a11 assume your responsibilities, instead of telling the press, ''We1l, we couldn't get a good enough bi11.'' The bill was good, but you didn't like it. Sor please, let's avoid the histrionics and the rhetoric. That's not necessary for this bill.
PRESIDIHG OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Sieben. '
Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlenen of the i Senate. I want to respond to a couple of the comments by previous speakers concerning Mt. Morrisz which is in my district I represent. Mt. Morris is significantly different than the situation in Chicago. First of all, the Mt. Morris school district has been cn the State-certified Financial Watch List for approximately five years. They have been working with the State Board of Elections -- or State Board of Education, to resolve their financial difficulties. They have sought to pay their bills 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 by raising their local property tax through referendum. The referendums have failed. So they have sought to help themselves. I They have borrowed on teacher anticipation warrants, tax anticipation warrants. They have exhausted every means they have to continue to operate their school. They have reduced spendin:. They have held the line on teachers' contracts. They have reduced programs. They have been struggling for five years to keep the I Mt. Morris School District in operation. This last spring the board of the Mt. Morris Schcol District voted to dissolve - to dissolve - the Mt. Morris School District. Now that's considerably dlfferent than the issue wedre talklng about in the City of Chicago and their public schools. Mt. Morrisr under the current Statutes, when they decided to dissolver the Statutes provide that they could name the annexing district. They chose to - - to name Oregon with which to -- to annex or consolidate the two districts. At that time the -- the State certified their debt at about 1.3 million dollars of debt. They have been accumulating about two hundred thousand dollars of debt each year, and they've been trying to work with the State Board, and the State Board has approved their budget every year for five years, slnce they're on the consolidated -- or on the Watch List. After Mt. Morris filed to consolidate with Oregon, Oregon asked that several conditions be met before they would accept this, and we negotiated very hard ' with the State Board of Education, with the Superintendent of Mt. Morris, Oreqon, and dld everything we could to bring these tWo districts together, and the State Was there With the annexation lncentlve money. Whak Ehls legtslaEion does in House Bill 4 ls merely transfer seven hundred and thirty-one thousand dollars, which ls a thousand dollars per student, from that line item to the emergency loan provisions that have existed in the State Statutes for several years. And many of your districts could have applied under these same provisions. When Mt. Morris did that 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1193 1 1 after -- this happened after Oregon filed an appeal in the circuit I ! court objectlng to being named as the annexing schcol district. ' Because this process now is ccntested in the court, Mt. Morris ! will run out of money some tlme in December or January - will not 1 i - I be able to continue to keep the school open. They have exhausted al1 their -- their means of borrowing or operating the district. In conjunction with that, the board of Mt. Morris School Distrlct agreed to accept a three-member oversight panel that is now taking control of the financial operation of the Mt. Morris School I District, and that consists of a retired school superintendent, a j retired school business manager, the president of a bank, who also serves on a -- cn a school board. And those members now have been appointed and will oversee, and they will determlne the actual amount of the request of funds for Mt. Morris. So there are signiflcant differences in what's happening in Mt. Morris. At no time, Senator Severns, will this be a grant. This noney must be repaid at an interest rate of four percent, as provided for in tbe Statutes. So, we're trying to help Mt. Morris help themselves; we're trying to resclve the issue of consolidation and annexation. And for those reasons I think there 's a considerable difference, and it's disappointing to me that a couple of the previous ! speakers tried to make this a very politlcal issue. Now, that's unfortunate. I think we need to keep in mind what's best for the students and those students in Mt. Morris that want to graduate in June. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I'm -- I appreciate the opportuntty ko -- to rise after Senator Sieben tried to explain the differences between the Mt. Morris situation and the Chicago situation. There is a substantial 13 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 difference, and that substantlal difference is khat the laws are prejudlced agalnst Chicago. Chicago could not operate as Mt. Morris has for a number of years. Mt. Morris has had a deficit. Mt. Morris has been on the Watch List. Chicago, because of the impositlon - and I think it's a good imposition, but because of the imposition - that must have a balanced budgety Chicago has never been on the Financial Watch List and Chicago has never operated with a deficit. Senator Sieben talks about a three-person oversight committee. Since 1980, Chlcago has had a School Finance Authority, which is an oversight committeer that has been in place for thirteen years in Chicago. Now the problem is not that this is unfair to Mt. Morris; the problem is, is that we 're being asked to help Mt. Morris children today, and we see no attempt by Menbers of the other slde of the aisle to do even less for Chicago than what we are being asked to do for Mt. Morris. Chicago ls asking to allow approval by this Body - the General Assembly - to use its own rescurces to borrow money to fund its schools and to keep its schools open for its children. Mt. Morris is getting State money. And if Mt. Morris does certain acts, it won 't even have to pay that money back. Now that's a pretty gocd deal for Mt. Morris. We're asking for less. And, Senator Siebenr I'm going to vote for this right now, because I Want to help your children in your district. And I respectfully ask for ycu to do even less, but do something in -- in allowing Chicago to run its schools for its children. I'm going to vote Yes. Senator Sleben, 1 expect no less fron you next week. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Fawell. Senator Jacobs. SENATOR JACOBS: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. And this is not an issue I want beleaguer, but my good friend and my Senator to the east of me, in talking about Mt. Morris, 14 ; STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 just think that welre -- wedre getting into something here and and if I can put it into its proper perspective - and I stand to be corrected - but here is the message lt appears to me that we are sending to other school districts around the State, with the passage of thls, and 1, as Senator Berman, plan on supporting this particular supplemental. But the message We are sending is that lf you can't pass a tax increaser if you 're out of moneyy and if you can't or you won 't consolidate properlyr then we 're going to give you a loan that may turn into a grant. And what -- a fear I have is with this type of language, what Welre doing is open a Pandora 's box that tells my districts that have problems also that they too may be able to follow this set of guidelines which allows them to come into dollars. I plan on voting on this supplemental because I think it's necessary; it's overriding. But I agree with many of my colleagues: There appears to be some Christmas tree ornaments hung on this very important package. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Thank you, Mr. President. You know, When we were heading down here earlier this weeky a11 over the radio, especially in Chicago, We heard Governor Edgar saying that the Chicago school plan should pass - should pass. Now I submit to you that when you take a leadership positionr as this side will do with this bill, you dcn't use words like ''should.n This bill must pass, because lt's going to help families; it's going to help flood victims. And the Chicago school plan must pass also. But wefre not going to be like Governor Edgar, who says thlngs should pass and then goes into meetings and acts as a moderator. I think We've elected a moderator as the Governor of this State. He should provide some leadership, as we're going to do on this side, and pass this because it musk pass. And we must pass the Chicago school planr 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS I 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 because we have four hundred and twelve thousand schoolchildren that every day don't know if they're going to stay in school or not be in school. So this bill must pass. PRDSIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) . Senator Jones. SENATOR JONES: Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Now, I wasn't going to speak on this issue until I heard the distinguished Senator Sieben talk about Mt. Morris and the reason why they must have these General Revenue dcllars from the State that's pald for by al1 the citizens of the State of Illinois, to solve a school problem in his district. I didn't see any Member on this side of the aisle, nor on your side of the aisle, come in and say, ''We1l, there 's total mismanagenent in your school district; we got to go in and change the Work rules. The teachers aren 't doing their job - total mismanagement.' You didn't hear that. Instead you cone in; you ask for State dollars. The Chicago situation is similar: as pointed out by Senator Berman. Only difference 1s, there is not one dime in State dollars involved in solving its problems. They want Lo solve its -- its problems using its oWn resources - the same argument that you made on this Floor, Senator. I'd like for you to make that argument in your cwn Republican Caucus. Don't hold the children of Chicago hostage while you in turn slip this in with the mcney for the flood relief that will automatically guarantee support. My Members on this side of the aisle Will be statesmen. They Would do What is morally right for them to do. They will support this bill, but the correlation between the two -- when Chicago comes up, all its total mismanagement -- its waste -- it's this. Chicago is not on the Financial Watch List. All they want is a change in the rules so they can administratively educate four hundred thousand children. That is not the only thing that's in here. I know if a 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 library has problems in Chicago, it doesn't run to the State: Senator Maitland, to get two hundred and fifty thousand dollarsr which is paid for by citizens of Chicago as well as the other citizens of the State of Illinois. We have got to treat every . child in this State equally. You make that argument in your caucus, Senator Siebenr fcr the Chicago schoolsr the same Way you make it for Mt. Marris. But let's stop playing the game - the political game - as relate to Chicago schools. I don 't see no i I masslve oversight authority - we got to do this, we got to do that i I - for Mt. Morrls. You want those children to graduate. We Want the same thing in the City of Chlcago. Make that argument in your -- your Senate Republican Caucus and let's get on with the business of being fair to all the children in the State of Illinois, just not a mere pocket few that's represented in your district. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Dudycz. SENATOR DUDYCZ: Thank you, Mr. President. I don 't know what Legislature I serve inr I guess, because listening to Senator Lapaille and Senator Jones talking about how Ne -- We should pass, and we must I pass, and we have to do these, we have to do those things for the schoolchildren of Chicago . I recall that the Senate did pass Senate Bill 525. We did address the concerns -- the Senate passed legislation, We did address the concerns of the schoolchildren of the City of Chicago. And we passed it to the other side to the -- to the House, and if the Speaker, in his wisdom, is serious in addressing the problems and the needs of the schoolchildren of Chicagoy rather than his cronies with the Chieago Teachers' Union, then he will go out and pass Senate Bkll 525 the way we did, and stop politicking with the children's future. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 1 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Senator Palmer.
Thank you, Mr. President. A question of the sponsor. l i
PRESIDING- OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I He indicates he would yield. I
l I'm sure that everyone ln this Body knows that -- how strongly I feel about children and about education. I do Want to ask a I question about the Mt. Morris situation. I understand, from i 1 Senator Sleben, that if there is a merger, that, of course, this ' I I I will perhaps be part of that, and we should not consider it any longer - it will be part of the merger. My question is: If there is not a merger, then how will this money be repaid? Are we to expect a property tax increase, or a property tax referendum in the Mt. Morris area?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Maitland .
Thank you very much, Mr. President. Senator Palmer, it is my I understanding from -- from State Board staff - and Senator Sleben can -- can back me up on this - but it's ny understanding that if ' : l there is not a -- a reorganization of some klnd, that money does have to be paid back. At no time is it ever a grant.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Palmer.
Thank you again, Mr. President. It has been mentioned a few times: the question of a school finance authority looking at Chicago. I -- this is certainly not part of this bill, but I would certainly like to put on the Floor for consideration that if this is the direction that we are going, and since the question of a -- a inspector general for the schools and so forth has been put 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28y 1993 forward, I would like to suggest to this Body that we consider some form of oversight for how moneys are going to be spentz because emergencies are going to continue to rise and the Watch i List is growing. I think thls is something we might want to i : consider at the State level. I Will vote for this reluctantly, ' but I think we ought to do better. l : PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) i ! Senator Watson. I I SENATOR WATSON: i j Yes. Thank youy Mr. Presldent. It's unfortunate that the i dialogue on a bill such as this has got into a debate over whether we should -- what we should be doing for the Chicago public schools versus Mt. Morris, a district that finds itself in a real financial problem. And some of the speakers, unfortunately, have taken the attitude - on the other side of the aisle - that we haven't done anything. And that's quite to the contrary. The Education Committee and those of us who are concerned about the best interest of the Chicago public schools and the kids who attend those schools have worked tirelessly in trying to attempt to find a solution to the problems that we have today. We passed a bill. We presented legislation here that Would have created a solution. Sure, there was some work rule changes in there that we think is very important. Those work rule changes would hopefully : change the system by which the operation of the Chicago public : schools follows. We do think there's problems in Chicagc public I i schools, and we tried to address that. Where was the other side of the aisle when it came to support for trying to keep the kids in school? Where was the concern? It primarily was with the Chicago Teachers' Union, and their Wishes, and their lack of support for any change in a system Ehat's obviously broken. We, i over here on this side, passed Senate Bill 525. We took a position in trying to help. We have two Members of our caucus who ! 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 llve in the City. This shouldn 't be our concern. But we are concerned: because We Want to do What's the best for the kids. And that's what Senator Sieben's interests are, plain and simple. So to get up on the Floor of the Senate, and the dialogue that l . j - We've heard fron several speakers on the other sider and make a j 1 political -- try to make a political statement about what we have I I or what we haven't done, for the kids cf this State -- sad day. This needs to be supported, and we are willing on this side of the I aisle to negotiate with you on a solution for the Chicago public schools. And those of you over there know that. Those of you Who have talked with me, know we're wllling. But any solution we come up withr and changes any of those union contracts - those are so l precious - where do we find you? No. So don't -- don't tell us ; we haven't done anything to try to create a solution, and that's what we're doing here for one school districk in northwestern Illinoisr and we need to support it. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Maitland, to close.
Thank you very muchy Mr. Presldent, Members of the Senate. I - - ln my opening remarks, I thanked the committee on both sides of the aisle for the constructive hearing we had the other day. Llttle did I know, or little did I suspect, that scme of those same Members would come to the Floor and attempt to use the media to advance their own position and concern, and unfortunately, advance concern that has no nerit. Senator Severns, in response - - and I know you weren't listening to Senator Sieben's explanation after you made your erroneous statement, so I want to make sure you understand. This at no time is a grant. Okay? It is not. This is legislation that's available to every school district in the State outside of the City of Chicago, and unfortunately we have two Codes and we ought not have. And this 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leglslative Day October 28y 1993 side of the aisle may offer an inltiatlve next year to put you under the -- a1l under one Code, and that might be well and good. Senator Berman, you commented on this issue, and yet I think - I think - you Were one of the sponsors of this very legislation, and yet you criticize what is available to this school district now. This is nothing but a bridge loan to this school district to get them through a difficult time. By the same tokenz we have a mechanism in place that we are trying to do to deal With the Chicago crisis. And that is just as inportant - just as important - as dealing with Mt. Morris. This absolutely should be a bipartisan effort. I thought the other day that it was. Let's back away from the rhetoric, and let's serve the boys and girls in the City of Chicagoy and resolve that issue this weeky and resolve this issue today. I urge your support of House Bill 4.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) For what purpose does Senatcr Severns arise?
Thank you, Mr. President. A point of personal privilege, please.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point.
Mr. President, I don't normally get up at the end of someone's concluding comments, but frankly, what Senator Maitland said - I'm certain not purposely - was wrong. In response to a question yesterday in the Appropriations Committee, I raised the question pointblank, ''If the school decides to consolidate next fall'' - and you know and I know that is a possibility; it has not been ruled out - ''Will this remain a loanr or does it become a grantr ' And the answer - after a1l kinds of dancing around the question, was that it's a grant. You know it, and I know it. So I'm sorry that you misunderstood that and then subsequently misstated my position I 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 on this Floor. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) r senator Maitland was closing. The question is, shall House Bil1 4 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. ' The voting is open. Have a1l voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who . wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary. On that question, the Ayes are 52, the Nays are none, 3 votlng Present. House Bill 4, j : having received the constitutional majority -- the three-fifths majority, excuse ne, is declared passed. Midwest Televisian, Channel 3 and WGN-TV wish permission to record. For What purpose ' does Senator Carroll arise? j ! SENATOR CARROLL: I Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. A point of personal privilege, now that the TV cameras are here, E ! and that is to announce the 45th birthday of our colleague, j Senator John Cullertonr who we might encourage to do a Whole routine on what we just went through. Happy birthday, John.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I Happy birthday, John. For What purpose does Senator Collins I I arise? SENATOR COLLINS: I Yes. Mr. Speakerr had I been at my desk, I Would have voted Aye on Senate Bkll 4. I would ltke for the record to so -- House I Bill 4. I Wculd like for the record to so -- to show. I Was in I the phone bocth. I was interrupted by a phone call.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The record will so indicate. For what purpose does Senator Woodyard arise? i
Thank you, Mr. President. A point of personal privilege.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point. 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS i 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 i SENATOR WOODYARD: . I I Vislting the Senate gallery today are a group of young ; students from Eastern Illinois Universlty, and I think they've i I been over in the House some and now they're joining us in the . l : senate, and I'd like to welcome them. i , ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 1 Will our guests please rise and be recognized by the Senate? j Senator Watson, do you wish to recall -- Senator Hawkinson, excuse me, do you wish to recall 344? We'11 return 344 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Senator Hawkinson seeks leave of the Body to return House B111 344 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Hearing no objection, leave is granted. On the Order of 2nd Reading is House Bill 344. Madam Secretary, are there any Floor amendments approved for consideration?
Floor Amendment No. 3, offered by Senator Hawkinson.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hawkinson.
Thank -- thank you, Mr. President. Floor Amendnent No . 3 i ! i Would become the billy and it would be the soluticn to the Lydia I Thorpe situatlon, Which we debated a couple of weeks ago. This suggestion that's been worked out with the cooperation of staff on both sides of the aisle, in cooperation with State's attorney, county clerk and county board in Henry County, Would give authority to a county board to move precinct lines whenever there 's a single voter situation such as exists with my constituent in Kewanee. I believe that this would do the job, would restore her secret ballot. And I would address it more on 3rd Reading, but I would ask for the adoption of Senate Amendnent No. 3 to House Bill 344. 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octlber 28, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? Senator Stern.
Will the Gentleman yield? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ' He indicates that he will.
Senator, does thls bill still include anything about the prisoner death and no autopsy, Which I remember as being one of the scariest concepts I had heard debated in committee?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hawkinson. SENATOR HAWKINSON ! : 1 No. As I said when I begany thls amendment Will become the 1 1 I bill, and there's nothing in other than the single-voter I i situatlon. : ; PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) j I Senator Hendon.
I had the same -- same question, Mr. Chairman. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) i I Any further discussion? A1l those in favor will signify by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The amendment's I adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration? I
No further amendments, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 3rd Reading. Senator Hawkinson, on the Order of 3rd Reading is House Bill 344. Mr. -- Madam Secretaryy would you read the bill?
House Bill 344. 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hawkinson. SENATOR HAWKINSON: Thank youz Mr. President. First of all, I want to thank our staff - in partlcular Brian McFadden. I Want to thank the ( Leadership on b0th sldes of the aisle for their cooperation in giving us an alternative solution to this difficult situation in - - in my district. Again, this bill: as now drafted and amended, will allow a county board in a county Where the single-voter situation exists and a secret ballot would otherwise not be avallable, to move the precinct lines at any regular monthly meeting of the county board to correct the situation. We've j ! worked -- our staff has worked with the State's attorney in Henry i County, with the county clerk and some of the county board i i membersr Who believes that this will get the job done, and if We l p ; give the county board this authority, they can act at a monthly meeting prior to the March primary, in such a way to redraw the preclnct lines to restore the secret ballot to Lydia Thorpe. Again, I Want to thank colleagues on both sides of the aisle ( whc've been very supportive and helpful on this -- this issue. ! i The current 1aw allows certain preclncts to be redrawn only at a ! June meeting for certain reasons. This will allow them to do it ! i at a meeting prior to the March primaryy where there's a single-voter situatlon. I think it'll get the job done, and I want to thank a1l of you for your support and ask for your support as we pass House Bill 344. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further discussion? Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON: 1 i Yes. Will the sponsor yield? 25 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indlcates he would yield. I
Senator, if you could give -- glve us a little background as to exactly what is the situation with Lydla Thorpe. Why ls it that she dcesn't have a secret ballot now? And, secondly, does this change change the leglslative boundaries of the district?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hawkinson.
1'11 answer the second question first. No, it does not change the legislative boundaries. I tried several times to correct it in that manner. We were not able tc get that done, but agaln I want to thank the Leadership on b0th sides of the aisle for comlng up wlth this solution in cooperation with Henry County. The ë history briefly is that when the -- the map was finally drawn and i 1 I the computers had done their work, Lydia Thorpe Was placed in the I ' 93rd District -- Legislative District, and everyone else in the precinct that she's in Was placed in the 94th Legislative District. That meant, as a practical matter, that she was the only voter in that precinct in the 93rd Legislative District, which in effect, took away her secret ballot. This Would allow the precinct lines to be redrawn in such a manner that she will be with -- in a precinct with other voters in the 93rd Legislatlve District and thereby have her secret ballot restored.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there further discussion? Senator Cullerton.
Does she live in a town right now, and with this change, would she be voting in a different town?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hawkinson. 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 28, 1993
There was some question earlier abcut moving from one toWnship to another, but the -- the board plans to redraw the precincts in such a way that she will remaln in the in Kewanee Townshipr which is the township she resides in now.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further discussion? If not, the question shall House Bill 344 pass? Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary. On that question, the Ayes are 57, the Nays are noney none votlng Present. House Bill 344, having received the required three-fifths majcrity, is declared passed. Senator Woodyard, on 1033 <sic> (1032)7 Madam Secretary, would you read the bill?
House Bi1l 1032. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bl11.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Woodyard.
Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 1032, I guess as you realize, has been around for quite some timer but a decision was made last spring to hold this bill, while there could be some further discussions that might lead to some further agreenents between the Press Assoclation and cthers on the Open Meetings Act. Evidently there was no agreement and thus this bill I would like to pass it ncw. was prcposed by the Community College Board last spring, to bring them into the same qualifications and criteria that elenentary - secondary schools have in regard to the Open Meetings Ack. This would allow the community college boards to hold closed meetings for 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 self-evaluation, and certainly the community college boards feel that this would be quite an incentive to do this type of self-evaluation and discussion of ethics and procedures. I know of no opposition to this bill. It came cut of the House on the Consent Calendar, and Would solicit your Aye vote for its passage.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? If notr the question is: shall House Bill 1032 pass. Those ln favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 56y the Nays are none: none voting Present. House Bill 1032, having received the required constitutional majority, declared passed. Channel 7-chicago has requested permlssion to videotape. Is there leave? Leave is granted. For what purpose does Senator Raica arlse?
Thank you, Mr. President. For purpose of committee announcement, if I may? Thank you, Mr. President. The Committee on Local Government is going to be hearing one bill, Senate Bill 990, at 2:30 cr immediately after Session today, in Room 400. That's Local Government and Electlonsr Room 400, Senate Bill 930 qsic>. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Mahar, on the Order of 3rd Reading. Madam Secretary, Would you read the bill.
House Bill 1354. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Mahar. 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leqislative Day October 28: 1993
Thank you, Mr. Presldent and Members. Committee Amendment No. l raises the threshold from one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand for tbe sale of property Which does not have to be approved by the ICC from a utility over fifty million dollars. It also raises the thresholds from ten thousand thirty thousand for consideration -- or for approval of leases, easements and licenses which generate more than thirty thousand dollars per year. Committee Amendment No. 2 was offered by Senator Farley, and it clarifies that ccmmissioners and employees of the Conmerce Commission are prohiblted from accepting or soliciting tickets, passes, or admission to events from persons and corporations subject to the Commission's supervision, regardless of whether or not they pay for such ticketsy pass, or admission. Also prohibits persons or corporations subject to ICC supervision from offering such tickets, passes or admlssions to commissioners or employees of the ICC. There Was no -- there Were -- nobody testifying in opposition to the bill. I would ask for your support.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? Senator Welch.
Okayz now it's working. was -- somebody unplugged my microphone. There will be would like -- there are about thirty-two suspects, too . Fifty-seven. A11 right. I'm glad -- glad Sam isn 't here. Anyway, wanted to say, in suppcrt of this bill, that it's a good idea to require Commerce Commission staffers to not accept -- not gifts, but to be allowed to purchase baseball tickets from utilities they regulate. As surprised as we were that the White Sox ended up in the play-offs, it was even more surprising to find that utility members have such a relationship to the utilities they regulate that they would call up and say, ''Do you have any baseball tickets that we can buy?'' 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28r 1993 : That doesn't portend well for the relationship between the i regulators and the regulated. Hopefully, this amendment will clarify that and next year when the White Sox winr these fellows can get their tickets somehow else. Thank you. ' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further discussion? Senator Mahar. SENATOR MAHAR: Wellr in closing, I want to thank Senator Welch. Since he joined Leadership, this is the flrst time he's stood in support of one of my bills. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The question is# shall the House Bttl 1354 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those oppcsed w111 vote Nay. The voting ls open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wlsh? Take the recard. On that question, there are 56 Ayesy no Naysr none voting Present. House Bill 1354, havlng received the required three-fifths majority, is declared passed. Madam Secretaryz House Bi11 1479. Would you read the bill? ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: Hcuse Bill 1479. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I Senator Mahar. SENATOR MAHAR: Thank you/ Mr. President. I Would defer to my cosponsor: Senator Woodyard. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Woodyard. SENATOR WOODYARD: Thank your Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This really is Amendment No. 5, as I understand it, Which has noW become the 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28r 1993 bill. Al1 this bill does is extend the publication and presentatlon of the remediation manual as a result of assessment studies on pesticide contamination at chemical fertilizer dealer plants. That assessment study came in so late and it was a volume about five inches thick that there just Was not time to get the manual of remediation into place by that April 1st, 1993 deadline that was in the original Statute. This bill only extends that reporting deadline from April lst, 1993, to July 1, 1995. And I would urge your support of the bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.
Would the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates he Would.
The -- I didn't quite follow , and youlll forgive me try to listen - the -- the -- the essence of the amendmentr is that correct? Would you just give me one line? What does it do?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Wocdyard .
Yes. I did leave out the other provision, in that it extends the deadline for the remediation manual, but it also contains language that the Corn Growers Association wanted providing for a referendum of corn farmers for the Corn Check-off Board.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there further discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1479 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 vcted Who Wish? Have voted whc wlsh? Take the record. On that questionr the Ayes are 57, the Nays are none, none voting Present. House Bill 1479, 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28r 1993 having received the required three-fifths majority, is declared passed. On the bottom of page 7, Secretary's Desk, Concurrence, Senate Bills. Madam Secretary.
House Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 591.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. President. move to ccncur With House Amendment No . 2 Eo Senate Bill 591. That amendment prohibits any home rule unit who has noty prior to July 1st, 1993, imposed a cigarette tax, from doing so. Everyone knows in this Bady that we stayed an extended perlod of time to develop a formulary for the funding of our Medicaid assessment, and that item was a cigarette tax. And in order to preserve that revenue stream -- this anendment will help us do so. Be happy to answer any questions.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any discusslon? For what -- Senator Geo-Karis.
. .. lmicrophone cutoffl...the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates he will.
That Senate Bill 591, when it left the Senate, under my strong oppositionr it referred to public utilities charging off flxtures implanted in the ground as personal property. Does Senate Bill 591 refer to that at al1 now, or has that been a1l stripped out of the bill?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Yes. 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) : Is there further dlscussion? Senator Geo-Karis. i ,
Yes what?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAnçelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: I thought your question is, what -- is it out of the bill, and ! 1 my answer is yes, it is out cf the blll. 1 i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ! Any further discussion? Senator Palmer.
Thank you, Mr. President. A questicn of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates he uould yield.
Senator DeAngelis, I just want to bring some of the dlscussion that we had in the committee onto the Floor. Is it correct to say that this bill is to protect the revenues that are coming into the State by curtailing the abillty of -- of other cities to enact taxes on cigarettes?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: That is the intent, Senator Palner.
PRESIDTNG OFFTCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Cullerton.
Thank you, Mr. President. I have an inquiry of the Chair. Could you tell ne Who the Secretary has on record as being the sponsor of this bill at this point in time?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 33 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28r 1993 Senator Fitzgerald and Klemm . SENATOR CULLERTON: Mr. President, the rules would require the motion be made by the sponsor of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Fitzgerald. SENATOR FITZGERALD: Thank you, Mr. President. I had thought that the sponsorshlp had already been transferred to Senator DeAngelis. I'd like to request leave of the Body to transfer sponscrship to Senator DeAngelis. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there leave? Hearing nc objection, leave is granted. Senator DeAngelis? Any further discussion? If not, the question is, shall the Senate concur in House Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 591. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 47, the Nays are 6, 2 voting Present. The Senate does concur in House Amendment No . 2 to Senate Bill 591, and the bill: having received the required constitutional majorityy is declared passed. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) WAND-TV Z WBBM-TV and the Associated Press request permission to photograph and videctape today 's proceedings. If there is no objectionz leave is granted. Senator Hasara, for What purpose do you rise? SENATOR HASARA : On a point of personal privilege. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) State your point. SENATOR HASARA: Mr. President, I would like to have us al1 Welcone the senior 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 28, 1993 American Government class from Mr. Edwards' class, from Sacred Heart-Griffin. They're here in the gallery, and I might ncte that Senator Raica's secretaryr Jeanne Woodydsr son is a member of that group . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) ' Will our guests please rise in the gallery? Welcome to Springfleld. Senator DeAngelis, for What purpose do you rise? SENATOR DeANGELIS: ö Point of personal privilege, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) State your point. SENATOR DeANGELIS: In the gallery, seated behind you, ls the class frcm St. Kiernan's School, 1ed by the nost wonderful Alice O 'Brien. Please 1et them stand.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Will our guests in the gallery please rise and be recognized? Welcome to Springfield. Senator Trotter, for What purpcse do you rise?
Yes. Mr. Presidentr I too, arise for a point of personal privilege.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) State your polnt.
I wish to recognize one of the grade schools in my district, the school of Lady of Guadalupe, and the parents who dve come down to visit us here today: and theyfre on the Democratic side behind me .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Will our guests please rise and be recognized? Welcome to Springfield. Senator Garcia, for what purpose do you rise? 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993
Thank you, Mr. President. rise for a point of parliamentary inquiry.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) State your point.
Thank you, Mr. Prestdent. I have a Senate resolutlon, Whlch ls conqratulatory, for some visitors that are here from South America, that's on the Senate Consent Calendar. I would like to move for the immediate consideration of that resolution - Senate Resolution 875 - due to some urgency that the travelers Will be leaving Springfield, and I'd like to have the resolution engrossed <sic>. I wauld move for the immediate consideration and adoption.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Garcia moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 875. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. Senator Garcia, to explain your resolution.
Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution simply welcomes to Springfield and congratulates some visitors from Chile, South America, and they're staying with some families here in Sprtngfield. They'll be leavin: shortly. Simply congratulatory.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Garcia has moved for the adoption of Senate Resolution 875. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the motion is adopted. We will now go to Executive Session for the purpose of advise and consent. Madam Secretary, Committee Reports.
Senator Ralph Dunn, Chairperson of the Committee on State Gcvernment Operations and Executive Appointments, to Which Was 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28e 1993 referred the Governor's Message of October l3r 1993, reported the same back with the recommendation that the Senate advlse and consent to the following appolntments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Dunn. ' 1 SENATOR R. DUNN: Thank you, Mr. President. I move that the Senate resolve itself into Executive Session for the purpose of acting on the Governor's appointments set forth in his Message of October the 13thy 1993. Mr. President, with respect to the Governor's Message . . ! of -- October 13th, 1993, I will read the salaried appointments, l to which the Senate Committee on State Government Operations and Executive Appointments recommends that the Senate do advise and consent. Department of Children and Family Services - to be the Inspector General within the Departnent of Children and Family Services for a term ending June the 1st, 1997, Denise Kane of Chicago. To be the Superintendent of Safety Inspection and Education within the Department of Labor for a term ending January 16thr 1995, Francis Lopez Mon of Skokie. To be the Asslstant Director of Underground for the Department of Mines and Mlnerals for a term endlng January 16, 1995, Danny Challans of Plainview. To be the Director of the Department of Revenue for a term ending January 16th, 1995, Ray Wagner of Springfield. To be the Assistant Director of the Department of Revenue for a term ending January 16th 1995, Joan Barr of Evanston. To be a member of the Chicago Transit Authority for a term ending September the 1st, the year 2000, Douglas Donenfeld of Chicago. To be a member of the Illinois Human Rights Commission for a 37 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislatlve Day October 28, 1993 I I term endlng January 16th, 1995, Vivian Stewart Tyler of Chicago. To be a member of the Prisoner Review Board for a term ending I i January 16th, 1995, Clyde Brooks of E1k Grove Village. To be a member of the Priscner RevieW Board for a term ending January 18thy 1999, Milton Maxwell of Carbondale; Joanne Shea of ' Burr Ridge; William Walsh of Oak Brock. To be members of the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority for terns ending May the 1st, 1997, James Banks of Oak Park; William Dugan Of Mt. Prospect; Robert Neal of WadsWorth; Arthur Philip of Oak Brook. Mr. President, I've read the salaried appointments. I noW ' seek leave to consider these appolntments on a single roll call. Mr. President, Will you put the question as required by our rules. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? If noty the question isr does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nayr and the voting is open. Have al1 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have a11 l voted who wish? Take the record. The question is -- on the questionr the Ayes are 58, Nays are none, those voting Present are none. A majarity of Senators elected concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Dunn. SENATOR R. DUNN: Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Messagp of October 13, 1993, I Wi11 read the unsalaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on State Government Operations and Executive Appointments recommends the senior -- the Senate do advise and consent. Board of Aeronautical Advisors - to be members of that Board for a term ending January 16th, 1995, Kenneth Fischer of Belleville; Ralph Hurwitz of Springfield; Charles Wenk of Highland 38 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislatlve Day October 28, 1993 Park. To be members of the Board of Agricultural Adviscrs for terms i ending January 16thr 1995, William Mullins of Chicagc; Betty Wiese of Versailles. To be members of the State Banking Board of Illinois Yor terms endlng December the 31st, 1994: Britta Harris of Lincoln; Donald Pratt of Rockford. j To be members of the State Banking Board for Illinois -- of Illinois for terms ending January -- December 31stz 1995, Valerio Bert of Chicago; William Osborn of Wilnette; Anna Wall Scott of Urbana; Kenneth Stark of Pitksfleld. To be members of the State Banking Board of Illinois for terms endlng December 31st, 1996, A. Dean Decker of Geneseo -- Geneseo; Robert Field of Olympia Fields; Donald Gutowski of Norridge; Harlan Yates of Cisne. To be members of the Illinois Coal Development Board for terms ending July the 1st, 1997, Llnda Denton to Tamaroa; Carolyn Ehlert of Milan; Edgar Hale of Pinckneyvllle; Richard Newtson of Springfkeld. To be a member of the Illinols Development Finance Authority I for a term ending January the 20th, 1997r Peter Gidwitz of . Chicaio. l T ! o be members of the East St. Louis Financial Advisory j i Authority for a term ending August the 30th, 1996, Sherman Brewer ' 1 of Glen Carbon I . j ! To be Chairman of the East St. Louis Financial Advisory Authority for a term ending August the 30th, 1996, Earl Lazerson of Edwardsville. To be members of the Illinois Gaming Board for terms ending ! I July the 1st, 1996, William Browder of Wilnette; William J. I I Roberts of sprînsfield. 1 To be nembers of the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission for ! 39 I . 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28y 1993 : terms ending June the 30thr 1994: Ronald Grais of Winnetka; LeRoy Ufkes of Carthage; Nancy Wyant of Franklin. To be members of the Guardlan <sic> and Advocacy Commission for terms ending June the 30th, 1995, Christopher DeAngelis of Chicago; Jaseph Lassner of Park Forest; Aaron Schmidt of Winnetka. To be a member of the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission for a term endtng June the 30th, 1996, Barbara Leardi of Edwardsville. To be a member of the Board of Higher Education for a term ending January the 31st, 1995, Lucy Sloan of Herrin. I i To be a menber of the Board of High Education for a term endlng January 31st, 1999, David Dcwney of Champaign. To be members of the Labor Management Cooperation Committee for a term ending July the 1st, 1994, Richard Abelson of Springfield. To be members of the Labor Management Cooperation Committee for terms ending July the 1st, 1995, Joseph Angleton of Pinckneyville; Michael Breslan of Chicago; Maxie Hill of Chicago; Brian Marsden of Palos Heights; Alexander Scargall of Danville. To be members of the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority for a terms ending June the 1st, 1997, Patrick Daly of Wheaton. To be a member of the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority for a term ending June the 1st, 1998, Ping Tom of Niles. To be a menber of the Quality Care Board for a term ending September the 18th, 1996, Mary Stoltz of Skokie. . To be a member of the Board of Regents for a term ending January 18th, 1999, Patricia Mckenzie of Springfield. To be members of the State Soil and Water Conservation Adviscry Board for terms ending January 20r 1997, Donald Condit of Putnam; Leon Kohlmeier of Waterloo. I 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 To be members of the Upper Illinois River Valley Development Authcrity for a term ending January 16th, 1995: Donna Matteson of Morris. To be a member of the Upper Illinois River Valley Development Authority fcr a term ending January 15, 1996, .Phi1 Mccully of Toluca. To be a member of the Waukegan Port District Board for a term ending May the 31st, 1999, Dan Arnold of Gurnee. Mr. Presidentr I've read the unsalaried appointments. I now ask leave to consider the appointments on a sinçle roll call, unless scme Senator has an objection. Will you put the question as required by our rules, Mr. President. END OF TAPE TAPE 2
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) WICS-TV requests permission Eo videotape. If there is no objection, leave is granted. Is there any discussion? If not, the question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And khe voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 58, the Nays are noner none voting Present. And a majority of Senators elected concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Madam Secretary.
Senator Ralph Dunn: Chairperson of the Committee on State 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28r 1993 Government Operatlons and Executive Appointmentsr to which was ; referred the Comptroller's Message of October 12, 1993, reported the same back With the recommendation that the Senate advlse and consent to the following appointments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) ' Senator Dunn. SENATOR R. DUNN: Thank you, Mr. President. Wtth respect to the Comptroller's Message of October the l2thy 1911 read the unsalaried appointments tc Which the Senate Committee on State Government Operations and Executive Appointments recommends the Senate do advise and 1 consent. ! To serve on the State Mandates Board of Review, Sharon U . Thompson, term to expire June the 30thy 19957 William Stafford r term to expire June the 30th, 1995. Mr. Presldent, I've read the unsalarled appointments. I now seek leave to consider the appointments on a single rall call, 1 : unless sone Senator has an objection. Andr Mr. Presidentr Will 1 ' you put the question as required by the rules. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? If not, the question is, does the ' Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 vcted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 55y the Nays are none, none voting Present. And a majority of I Senators elected concurring by record vote, the Sena*e does advise ! and consent to the noninations just made. Senator Dunn. E ! SENATOR R. DUNN: ; I Then I move that the Senate arise from Executive Session. 1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) You have heard the motion. Those in favor will say Aye. 42 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Opposed, Nay. And the moticn carries. Resolutions, Madam Secretary.
Senate Resolution 893, offered by Senators Philip and Topinka. Senate Resolution 894, offered by Senators Cullerton and DeLeo. Senate Resolution 895, offered by Senator Karpiel. Senate Resolutioh 896, offered by Senator Rea. Theylre al1 congratulatory and death resolutions.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Consent Calendar.
Senate Joint Resolution 100, offered by Senator Shadid . It is substantive.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Karpiel, for what purpose do you rise?
Did you just adopt 895? I mean, put it on the Consent Calendar? SR 895?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) That's correct. Senator Denuzio, for What purpose do you rlse?
I'd like to make an inquiry of the Chalr, if I might.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) State your point.
As a matter of courtesy, could you inform the Membership as tc what the schedule is going to be now for the remainder of the day?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Demuzio, we will be proceeding through the Senate Calendar on resolutionss then we will be going -- we will be 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 keeping the Senate open to receive paperwork from the House. I Senator Demuzio. I
Do you have any idea, then, if we will be here tomorrow? A number of the Members Wish to make arrangements for either thls evening to remain or to depart.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) The Senate Will be in Session tomorrow. Senator Demuzio.
Thank you very muchr Mr. President. That's more lnformation wedve gotten today than we have for the last six months. Thank you. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) j ! A11 rlght. On page 6 of the Senate Calendar is the Order of i ! Secretary's Desk, Resolutions. Senator Woodyard, do ycu wish your resolution considered? Madam Secretary, read the resclution.
Senate Resolution 536, offered by -- offered by Senator Woodyard.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard.
Thank youy Mr. Presldent and Menbers of the Senate . Senate ; i Resolution 536 I introduced last spring, and there Wasn't time for l i the Executive Committee to consider it at that time. But at this ! I time, I think it's -- it's become a rather important resolution. What it does is urge the Federal Congress to extend the Favored-Nation status to Mainland China . In April of this past i year, several of us had the opportunity to travel to China r and at a briefing that we had with several Illinois corporations in -- at the U.S. Embassy in Chinar in Beijing - and those pecple were Illinois corporations such as Caterpillar, John Deere, Searsy I 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Abbott, Baxter, Motorola, Zenith - people like that, - they I certainly indicated to us the importance and how critical it Was ; I to keep the Favored-Nation status in place. We do a 1ot of exporting into Chlna, and they indicated to us the inportance of ! expanding that market. We feel that if they are not granted this status, it certainly will dampen much of the exports that We would be dolng into that very viable market, which ls growing at the rate of twelve-and-a-half percent per year. And With that, I would urge adoption of Senate Resolution 536.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? Senator Topinka.
A question of the sponsor, if I may.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Topinka.
E If this resolution passes, does this in any way threaten or bring into question Illinois' relationship of sister statehood ! 1 with Taiwan and our ability to trade with them and the fact that I I they are a major trading partner for the State of Illinois? E I
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Wocdyard. : SENATOR WOODYARD: 1 r In answer to that, my opinlon would be no , that it does not. As you Well knowr under forner President Bush, Chlna was granted Favored-Nation status. President Clinton then did extend for one year Favored-Nation status, and *his is simply urging the Federal Congress to continue that extension. And as far as I know, Taiwan ls not opposed to this.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? Senator Hawkinscn.
45 i I STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Question of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor lndicates he will yield. Senator Hawkinson.
Senator, in following .the debate on the national scene, obviously the concern is over the human rights abuses We saW at Tiananmen Square and otherwise. Has there been any indication by the State Department or others that they're making any progress on that front?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard.
I really don't have an answer to that, and I guess I'm coming from the viewpoint that as a State, our maln concern is the business aspect and not the human rights situation out there. The - - the language introduced by Gecrge Mitchell out there in Washington did contain language that tied the human rights issue to Favored-Natlon status, and there's nothing in my resolution that refers to that. I -- I would prefer that we stay out of that scenario. Quite frankly, in my own opiniony I think it's -- it's just crltical that the United States continue With Favored-Nation status.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Sieben.
A question of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Sieben.
senator Woodyardr I understand the nature of your resolution is to keep the Favored-Nation status for China lntact, to help the -- or the exports of some of our leading manufacturers in 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88:H GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislatlve Day October 28, 1993 Illinois. In my district I've been contacted by several small manufacturers, one being Wall Clipper in -- in Sterling, Illlnois, that makes hair clippers, and another being Springfield Armoryr Incorporated, that makes firearms, in my district. They complain continually about China making cheap copies and cheap imitations of their products and being able to dump those products in the U.S. market. Can We address that ln any way through your resolution about imitatlons or respect for patent rights of our Illinois manufacturers that are trying to compete with Chinese imports?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard.
Well, I can only indicate that youpre absolutely right that -- that We are importing a 1ot of goods from -- from China, but I can guarantee you if we don't continue with Favored-Nation status, it will be very difficult for any of your manufacturers to tap into that market out there. Tn the case of a -- of a Motorola, they see a tremendous expansion in their business here in Illinois because of that. I was in a -- a Caterpillar copycat plant, which is similar to kind of What youfre talking about, out in China. Now that tractor could not be exported back to the United States, but a1l of the engines and drlve tralns come out cf Peoria, Illinois. And -- and while I was out there in 1990, Which was only six months after Tiananmen, they needed an addltional two hundred and twenty-five engines out of -- out of Caterpillar. So it's kind of a two-way street. I guess I'm not answerlng your specific question a11 that wellr but that's -- that's about a11 I can tell you. !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Hendon.
47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the sponsor yield for a question? 1
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Hendon. SENATOR HENDON: . Senator Woodyard, do we in any way address any of the concerns that have been raised here today abcut the dictatorship that exists currently in China, and the squashing of -- of democratic elections and democratic pollcles ln China?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard.
Not in -- not in thls resolution. That's what I responded with a whlle ago, that -- not in this resolution. I don't address any of the human rights issues. And I don't think that's our role as a State to do that. Wedre not in diplomacy or foreign policyr and that's What makes it so much better for the State of Illinois, to be able to just do business out there in sales in that expanding narket and staying out of... That -- that issue has to be resolved in Washington, and it's not something we can do. We do think this -- and most of the businesses that we -- that we talked to out in China in Aprily the American-lllinois business people, felt very strongly that expanding sales into Chlna will certainly lead into a more denocratic type of society out there. As kheir standard of living improves, we just think that's a -- a natural thing that's going to happen.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Hendon.
Will you share with us the current trade balance or inbalance that we have between the United States and Chlna right now : imports versus exports? Are we taking more of their products than I 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 theydre acceptkng of our products?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard .
don't have those figures with me, but I do think that we do have an imbalance. I think We are importing more goods and materials from China than we are exportlng, and that's one of the reasons We we want to keep the Favored-Nation statusy in -- in order to expand our exports from Illinols out there.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Hendon.
And be brief. Well, this is where I have a problem . If we give them Most-Favored-Nation status, Won't We then, in effect, actually end up allowing them to send more goods into the United States, so we'll have everything made somewhere else and nothing made here?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard.
No. What I've been told by those corporations doing business out there, that thak helps expand their markets in Chlna . The delegation that was here a couple of weeks ago from Liaoning, Chlna, met With people that -- well, in the Chlcago arear that were sending qulte a 1ot of medical equipment out there. As a natter of fac*, they had just finished a sale of flf*y CAT scans coning out of this area to China . So, we -- we think that it will improve our markets.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Hendon.
.. . lmachine cutoffl...conclusion, I do believe we should be 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 concerned about human rights everywhere, because if we are nct concerned about human rights elsewhere, then soon we have human rights problems in our own country and -- and people will feel like they don't have to be concerned about them here. So, you know, .1 just have a problem with thatr and I understand your logic, and I don't know how I'm goinç to vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? If noty Senator Wocdyard, to close. Okay. Senator Woodyard moves the adoption of Senate Resolution 536. Those in favor: say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have and the resolution is adopted. On the bottom of page 6, Senate Resolution 671. Madam Secretary, read the resolution.
Senate Resolution 671, offered by Senator Woodyard. The Committee on Executive adopted Committee Amendment No.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Woodyard.
Thank your Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This resolution deals with the Hea1th Facilities Planning Board and urges them to do a study on the health delivery systems and facilities in Illinois. They wanted this resolution to proceed with -- with a study and report back to the General Assembly by October 1st, 1994. And with the posslbility and movement towards universal health care ln Washington, it was felt important that this -- this study be done.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDVCZ) Is there any discussion? If noty Senator Woodyard moves the adcption of Senate Resolution 671. Those in favor Will vote Aye . Opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wlsh? Take the record. On that questionr there are 57 Ayesr no Naysr 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leglslative Day Octcber 28r 1993 none voting Present. And the resoluticn is adopted. Senate Resolution 759. Madam Secretary, read the resolution.
Senate Resolution 759, offered by Senator Topinka.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Topidka.
Yes. Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, this resolution urges that the federal government work together to -- and, of course, our Congressional Delegation and the President to work together to designate the cemetery at Fort Sheridan a national cemetery for use by a11 veterans. In northern Illinois, we are quickly running out of room in terms of burial in -- in federal cemeteries for veterans. We have roughly about seven hundred and fifty thousand veterans in northern Illinois who quallfy for burial in national cemeteries. When you count their dependents, we dre talking about a significant number of people. We only have about three thousand grave sites left in the -- in the current cemeteries that we have in Illinois that are designated as national veteran cemeteries. We Would like to reopen and certainly to pursue Fcrt Sheridan, which is now apparently in a state of some kind of Pentagon limbo, following a - - an attempt to develop that land after Fort Sheridan was closed. We think Fort Sherldan -- and this comes from all the veterans' groups who signed in in support in committeer and we do have support from a11 the mainline veterans' groups in the State of Illinois, and the testimony was put forward by a -- a national medal of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner who ran Fort Sheridan and noted that it's centrally located in the -- in the midwestern area. Public transpcrtation is readily available to and fron the site. We also have a large veteran community to support burials and people who would be visiting in that area. 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28y 1993 Surrounding communities are considered low-crime-rate areas, making -- making it a desirable location. Existing buildings are available for cemetery administration, chapels, equipment storage and staff housing. Exlstlng paved streets require mlnimum alterations to support cemetery requirements. Existing utilities are there: gas, electric, heat, sewer, water, starm drains and telephones. So there's mininum alterattons to support cemetery requirements. Exist -- the existing cemetery easily could accommodate thirty-three hundred interment. It can be expanded. When you consider cremation, when you consider double burials, which go on in some federal cemeterlesy the total site acreage of seven hundred plus acres would allow for adequate support and expansion well beyond the year 2000. I think what's very, very important here, there are no major environnental issues that have to be considered, as there might be in other areas that could be competlkive as a national cemetery in Illinois, and Fort Sheridan is -- is officially closed. It's tranqull. It's a beautiful area. It has always been an area that has been open, with access to the public. If this area is developed ln some other way, that will be removed from the public domain. And we have promised, since the time of Abrahan Lincoln, that we would provide adequate burials in good locaticns for the veterans of the State of Illinois. They would like to see this site. I thlnk it is only fair that we live up to this promise. Thirty-one cosponsors here in the Senate would be in agreement with me. And finally, I think because if indeed with population density in northern Illinois being what it is, and if -- if indeed cemeteries will be the parks of the futurer this noW becomes a park for a1l of us to enjoy, and -- and it will provide two uses for the land in a quiet and gentle way. Normally I would never speak against a counterproposal that may be forthcoming. We will be having another resolution that will propcse another site - in my opinion, less desirable. And I 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 would just ask that the Members here use their consclence in determining Which of khese resolutions they would like to -- to send to our Conçressional Delegation and to the President, because I don't think we can send bothy because it will put us at cross purposes at -- as to what our intent is and what we wish to back. On that basis, I would seek your support.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? Senator Barkhausen.
Mr. -- Mr. President and Membersy the sponsor of the resolution was kind encugh to contact me before the resolution Was offered, and I indicated that I was opposed to it. I Would like to poknt out that this property is -- is in my dkstrict; that the dlsposition of the Fort Sheridan property has been the subject of extensive dlscussion and debate going on for several years ncw, since it was announced that Fort Sheridan was going to clase; that Congressman John Porter had for a period ofr I thinkr at least three years a -- a commission Nith local representatlon from mayors and community leaders and -- and other local officials, including us legislators, including Senator Stern, former Senator Keats , al1 of the State Representatives and myself. And it Was 1 . the unaninous recommendation -- I must say, in -- in spite of the support from various veterans' groups for an expansion of the -- what is now a fairly modest and small cemetery on the northwest i corner of the Fort Sheridan property, it was the unanimous reconmendatlon of al1 of the local representatlves on the Porter Conmission that the cemetery not be expanded at that location, but that another -- if it was desirable to have an expanded national veterans' cemeteryr that it be located at one of the alternatlve I i northern Illinois sites that was mentioned to us at that time. And I so it's interesting and appropriate that there is a subsequent resolution here on the Calendar, sponsored by Senator Dunn, 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 I expressing our support for a similar cemetery at property now I 2 l I ncluded withln the Joliet Arsenal. So I Would simply ask all of k i you to -- to look beyond, if you couldr the -- the sentiments of I i the veterans' groups, to consider, I think nore importantlyr the ! sentiment of local community leadersr including, I hope: the State Senator in whose district this property is located, who is willing to -- to bear whatever consequences they may -- tbere may be in going against the wishes of the veterans on -- on this particular issue, and to take the broader view. The Lake -- Lake County i government is interested in this same property. There 's -- 1et me l . ! just say, without going on at excessive length, that this is the only property along the entire Illinois-Lake Michigan lakefront that is still open and that ls public property. And those of us from this area are determined that at least a portion of it will j be preserved and left open for recreational purposes, and that is i I the disposition of the property that -- that all of us in this particular area would like to see. Thank you. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? Senator Stern. SENATOR STERN: Mr. President and Members of the Senate, I would like to associate myself with Senator Barkhausen's remarks. The Porter Commission met at length frequently and constantly examined the possibility cf a veterans' cemeteryz heard a lot of testimony pro and con, and decided, finally, on a consensus plan which would have, as Senator Barkhausen pointed out, placed the cemetery differently on the land and not use this seven hundred acres of magnificent shorellne and wocded ravines exclusively for this purpose. There is a community that testified before us called Cissna Park, down near Kankakee, which really begged to have the federal government consider it for a veterans' cemetery . It is in the midwest. It would represenk al1 those communities and all 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 28y 1993 those veterans who live in this area. I urge you not to run counter to lacal cpinion on this matter. The communities that surround this area Want to see this land kept open for public use, i I not confined to the use as a cemetery, much as we a11 would like to honor veterans. I ask you to respect our views on this and conslder the alternate site, either Cissna Park or the one that r Senator Dunn is planning to propose on a later resolution. I urge E you to vote No on this very Well-lntended resolution.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senater I urge you to suppcrt this resolution. We have seven hundred thousand veterans in the State of Illinois. We have over seven hundred acres in -- in Fort Sheridan. Is it too much to ask to honor the memory of veterans with a hundred and sixty acres of part of Fort Sheridan? I don't think it's too much at all. Those who 've gone ahead and given their lives, those of our veterans who will be dying, we need space. The next veterans' cemetery I know is up in Wisconstn - Milwaukee. I think it's time the north end contlnued. We do have a cemetery now . What's the use of having it if youfre not going to expand it? And certainly wedre not going to dig the bodies out and give it to developers. It's not like they wanted to have seven acres of land up in Washington, D.C. or Virginia. It's ridiculous. The veterans should have first priority, and I think we should honor this resolution and le* -- and 1et it go to the Congress and 1et then understand thae the veterans were against diverting a11 this property away from the cemetery. And I don't eare who appeared at a1l those meetings. I'n telling you right now - as a veterany I speak for the other veterans: We would like to have part of it as a veterans' cemetery, and I speak for the resolution. The veterans should be honored. 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislatlve Day October 28, 1993 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? Senator Klemm. SENATOR KLEMM: Thank you, Mr. President. I -- I just wanted to share the comments of the previous speaker. Much of the concern also that many people oppase establishlng the cemetery faclllty because they're looking for commercial development of that pristine area. And I would think I understand we all stand for economic developnent, but there comes a time When we have to choose some of the things that we want to keep - open spaces. Looking at the veterans will accompllsh b0th with a cemetery. And think the Senator whose area this is represented certainly speaks Well. I support this resolution and do hope you Will keep this as it should be: a cemetery honoring the veterans and also keepin: the open spaces, and not allow it to become a pawn in the development for developers ln that area. Thank you . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any furkher discussion? Senator Barkhausenr for the second tine. SENATOR BARKHAUSEN: Mr. President, just a quick point of clarification in in response to the last remarks. The -- the alternative to the cemetery at this location for this part of the Fort Sheridan property is not conmercial development. It's -- is open space/recreational purposes that could be used by al1 people of Lake County and, indeedz potentially the Chicagoland areâ. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? If not, Senatcr Topinka, to close. SENATOR TOPINKA : I appreclate what the -- the representatives of that area have had to say about this. And normally and naturally I think they have first claim on -- on areas that are in their district; 56 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 i I however, it comes to this Body and to government in general at tlmes to respond to a higher callingz which I think transcends local considerations for the community gocd, for the connon good, for promises nade and promises that should be kept. I would point out that prime land along the Potomac River in virginlar which held a very, very fine mansion on it, the Custis Lee... r : PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) I Pardon me, Senator Topinka. Senator Topinka. SENATOR TOPINKA : i The Custis Lee Mansion ultimately became a natlonal site, j ! I Arlington National Cemetery, that people from the entire United I States come tc visit, pay homage to, and extol. I think We just owe this to the veterans of the State of Illincis, because most of them have gone far and above and done things that we in this . Chamber have never even considered. They've looked death in the eye and come back and asked for, sometimesr some consideration and a final resting place in a beautiful, open space. I Would ask for ycur positive vote. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Topinka moves the adoption of Senate Resolution 759. Those in favor, say Aye. Those opposed: say Nay. Roll call has been requested. Those in favor w1l1 vote Aye. The -- those opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? i l Take the record. On that question, there are 35 Ayes, 19 Nays, and 1 voting Present. And the -- the resolution is adopted. On the top of page 7, Senate Resolution 792. Madam Secretary, read the resolution. r ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Resolution 792, offered by Senator Klemm. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Klemm. 57 : STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28r 1993 SENATOR KLEMM : Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Last Session -- or in the summer, we passed a resolutlon that 1 ' I created the Senate Task Force on State Mandates for Schools to i look at the unfunded mandate question. We formed a bipartisan commission. We had a reporting deadline of October 1st. Well, as you know, at that time when we passed that, we didn't realize that we would have the Chicago school crisis and that staff and people were busy doing that, and we were down here most of the summer. So what the Resolution 792 does, is change the reporting date from the October lst, which we were unable to meet because of the differences with Chicago school system, to have that date now be March 1st, 1994. It's just an extenslon of that commission. I do ask for your support. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? If not, Senator Klemm maves the adoption of Senate Resolution 792. Those in favory say Aye. Those opposed, say Nay. The Ayes have it. The resolution is adopted. Senate Resolution 820. Madam Secretary, read the resolution. ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: i i Senate Resolution 820 , offered by Senator 5m1th. l i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Smith. SENATOR SMITH: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlenen of the Senate. I1m very happy to come at this time wiEh Ehis Senate Resolution 820, which is the -- about Freedom Corner. The statue of Dr. Martin Luther King was rededicated at this corner of Second Street and Capitol Avenue on September the 18th of 1993. The statue Was relocated so that Dr. King now faces the statue of Abraham Lincoln. And at the rededication ceremony, it Was suggested by 58 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislatlve Day October 28, 1993 yours truly that we name that corner ''Freedon Corner.'' It now glves us -- and I want to thank our Secretary of State, George Ryan, for picking this up and writing to the Mayor here in Springfieldr and they passed a -- a resolution approving this action. And President Lincoln now has great significance here as his statue stands there across on the -- on our grounds here of the State Capitol: because he -- who cne hundred years ago freed the slaves here, and one hundred years later, Martin Luther King not only freed the slaves, but he gave us the right to pursuit of happiness. And as a result of that, in 1964, the Civil Rights Bill gave us the vcting rights. It would be the flrst ln the United States of America. It would be a tourism spot where people from a11 over the world will come to Springfield and see thls in person. And it will give real significance to the statue of our President Lincoln. And I -- again, I want to thank the Secretary of State, George Ryan, for helping to enhance this, and I ask your favcrable vote.
PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any discussion? If not, Senator Snith noves the adoption of Senate Resolution 820. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is cpen. Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Naysy none votlng Present. And the resolution is adopted. Senate Resolution 822. Senator Thomas Dunn. Madam Secretary, read the resolutlon.
Senate Resolution 822, offered by Senator Thomas Dunn.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Dunn.
Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution calls for the National Cemetery System to locate a national veterans' cemetery ! 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leglslatlve Day October 28, 1993 at the Joliet Arsenal. At this particular site -- it Was alluded to earlier that there were environmental problems. There are no environmental problems at this particular site. I would like to read to you what the news release from the Department of Veterans' Affairs said yesterday concerning this resolution and the resolution by Senator Topinka. The release says, quotez HThe Department of Defense rejected the VA's offer of nearly seven million dollars for the site,'' being Fort Sheridan, ''and the VA announced that it was dropping Fort Sheridan's plans and would select a new site.'' Hence, the exercise We went through, I think, on Senator Topinka 's resolution was an unnecessary one, and I think also an unfortunate one. The site at Fcrt Sheridan has thus been withdrawn. That leaves only -- us w1th cne choice and that's the choice to make Hoff Woods, since it's the only resolution that's now pending, and thus the only -- only opportunity you're gokng to have to secure a nattonal cemetery tn northern Illinois. There are sone twenty-one thousand veterans who die each year within one hundred miles of the City of Chicago. The acreage at Fort Sheridan would thus be taken up in approximately five to ten years lf thcse individuals happen -- choose to be buried at Fort Sheridan. The site at Hoff Woods is one thousand acres - one thousand acres, as compared to the hundred and sixty-two-acre site at Fort Sheridan that's been withdrawn. So, this would seem to be a good alternative. It's an alternative that the veterans have told me they support. The point of a11 of this is - and we ought to be careful not to make hallowed ground into political ground - is that We have a chance of getting a national veterans' cemetery withln northeastern Illinois, and that's something we a11 ought to be for. I urge your vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? Senator Topinka .
60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octlber 28, 1993 Yes, Mr. President, and certainly with great respect for the sponsorr with whom I enjoy working w1th cn a regular basis on nunerous issues, I would only suggest that there can really only be one resolution that comes out of this General Assembly, whichever way it goes. And -- and it Will be the will of this General Assembly. I would point out that the Department of Veterans' Affairs, the Department of Military Affairs, here in the State of Illinoisz supported Eort Sheridan and signed in accordingly in the hearing at -- in the Executive Committee, as did at least six major mainline veterans' associations.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further dlscussion? Senator Klemm.
Will the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDXCZ) Sponsor indicates he Wl11 yield. Senator Klemm .
Senator Dunn, is there a problem why we can't ask for two national cemeteries with the pcpulation of veterans that we have? That, certainly: I think Sheridan represents the area of of some of the most populous counties up north. Jollet certainly is -- is a little bit more centrally located. Why are we ending up pitting against each other, when would thlnk we could go to Congress and say Illinois and our veterans really deserves two outstanding locations? The land and is available. And why can't We join together? would almost -- would like to have seen Resolukion 759, by Senator Topinkar and yours receive unanimous support, reallyr from this Chamber, rather than pitted against her, and I was wondering what your comments wculd be cn that.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? If notr Senator -- Senator Geo-Karis.
61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Mr. President and Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senate, I agree with comments of Senator Klemm. And Senator Dunn, even though you didn't vote for Fort Sheridan, I Will vote for your resolution, tco.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Dunn, to close. SENATOR T. DUNN: I j i And you should know Why I didn't vote for it, and the reason I ! I is that it's been Withdrawn by the Veterans' Administration, and that's the only reason I didn't vote. If you'll notice, I didn 't I 1 get up and speak against Senator Topinka's proposal, or -- or resolution. Senator Klemm is exactly right. This would make a marvelous site as well, but the unfortunate situation is, the VA itself has chosen to withdraw Fort Sheridan. Senator Klemm , I couldn't agree with ycu nore. They both ought to f1y out af here.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDXCZ) Further discussion? Senator -- Senator Topinka, Senator Dunn has closed. Senator Dunn moves the adoption of Senate Resolution 822. Those in favor will say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. And the resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 3. l Madam Secretary, read the resolution. i ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: l House Joint Resolution No. 3, offered by Senator Wocdyard.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Stern, for What purpose do you rise?
I have a question, sir. Since the -- since Senator Topinka 's resolution passed with only a partial Aye votez and this last cne was gaveled in as apparently unanimousp how will this be reported to the federal government?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) 62 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 Both resolutlons had been adopted by the Illinois Senate. Not unless they specifically requested itz Senator Stern. There was no request for a -- a recorded roll call vote when... Senator j Stern. i ' .. I SENATOR STERN: . I 1 I do so request that the roll call be included in those tWo I resolutions. l I I
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) The -- the roll call -- the recorded roll call Was not requested, Senator. The roll call has been takeny and we are now I q in the -- in the Order of House Joint Resolution 3. Senator ! . I ! Woodyard. I
Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Joint Resolution 3 is very similar to a -- to Senate Joint Resolution 13, passed by Senator Sieben in the 88th General Assembly, and it does encourage the U.S. Department of Energy, Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to fund research that would expand and increase the production and use of ethanol. Ethanol has become a major industry in the State of Illinois. We produce nearly seventy percent of the ethanol used ! in the entire United States. It has created over five thousand jobs in our State and -- and has created abcut two hundred million dollars in -- in money coming into the Stater for the purchase of ethanol. We're even beginning to export large quantities of ethanol. And with What is occurring in Washington, particularly in the U.S. Environmen*al Protec*ion Agency, we are very concerned, in the agricultural industry, that some changes in guidelines may occur, and thus we thought it important to send a message to Congress and to these agencies to see if we can't expand the usage of ethanol.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 i Any discussion? Senator Rauschenberger. I
I'n afraid my mike was turned on by mistake. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? If notr Senator Woodyard has noved the adoption of House Joint Resolution 3. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have itr and the resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 7. Senator Lauzen. Madam Secretaryr read the resolution.
House Joint Resolution No. 7, offered by Senator Lauzen.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen.
Thank you, Mr. -- Mr. President. House Joint Resolution No. 7 creates a task force to study how to coordinate educational and social services to fanilies in a more effective and more financlally efficient manner. This resolution passed out of committee unanlmously yesterday. I encourage a Yes vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any discussion? Senator Palmer.
Thank youy Mr. President. A question cf the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor lndicakes he will yield. Senator Palmer.
Senator Lauzen, I thought the Governor had already put together a task force or a council that has been, for the last year or so, trying to coordinate soclal services. Am I incorrect in that?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen. ; 64 ; STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993
I believe that there is a related effort. In testimony in committee yesterdayr Representative Ccwlishaw testified that she 's done a complete review of a1l the programs that are related to this, and that there are significant differences between this effort and others.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Palmer.
Thank you. Just -- in what Way? I'm not clear, because I thought that was one of the Governor's -- certalnly I supported that some years ago when I was working with a soclal service agency and promcting coordination. I'm just not sure what the difference ls.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen.
I belleve it's different in its -- in its nature and ln its scope, and I rely on Representative Cowlishaw 's review of the information.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? Senatcr Fawell.
Thank you very much, Mr. President. About four years ago, I went to a joint conference between DCFS and the Mental Health Associationz and as a result of that conference, went to my regional superintendent of education -- Regional Superintendent De Simone. Unfortunately, I guess I -- I -- I erred in not talking to Representative Cowlishaw who, af course, also represents the same county. I hate to tell her this, but we've been doing this for four years ln Dupage County. It is a joint committee between our education, our -- a11 of our providers, all of our networks. 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 28, 1993 Senate Bill 258 was part of it that we passed unanimously in the House and the Senate. You know, in a way, I hate to set up a task force when -- when we already have gotten this thing done. And we have spent, frankly, not only State funds, but We are spendlng l i federal funds to accomplish this. Would the -- would the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Fawell.
Senator, I don't -- you know, if -- if Mary Lou wants to do this, I guess that's okay, but is it -- is it -- are we talking more money? Are we talking about setting up a task fcrce that's going to cost us money? Because I would suggest if -- if we arer maybe the first thing she ought to do is go and look at her own county.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen.
Thank you. Senator, I certainly respect your opinicn on the issue, and I applaud the good work that's being done in Dupage County. This resolution neither requests nor authorizes any noney for expenses. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) i Further dlscussion? Senator Welch.
Yes. I have a couple questions of the sponsor. Senator Lauzen, who ls going to be on this task force?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen.
The task force is comprised of twelve members; two are ! I appointed by the President of the Senate, two appointed by the I I 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legtslative Day October 28, 1993 Minority Leader of the Senater two by the Speaker of the House, ' two by the Minority Leader of the House, four appointed by the Governor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator.Welch .
Is there going to be any staff assigned to them that are going to be paid staffers that will be helplng cut this task force?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen .
At this time, there's no allocation cf staff. It's possible that -- that -- that staff time Will be used in the project. As I -- I would anticipate that that's a possibility.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Welch.
Well, is -- you know: I know that there's no allocation in herer but that doesn't mean that these things can't grow like Topsy. They usually -- they usually do . That's been the history of task forces in -- ln the State Legislature. I think that -- is there golng to be a guarantee that the only staff used are going to be staff currently on the House and Senate staff that they're going to take away from their current duties, or is there going to be somebody hired? Is there any guarantee as to that?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen.
There are no guarantees stated in this bill, but there is also no provision nade for any additional staff. So where there are no guarantees, there are also no plans to expand staff to take care of this project. And certainly, I appreciate What you say about 67 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 not wanting to expand the nature of the work that We do here in Springfield. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) i ' Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: ' Well, I didn't want -- I didn't say I didn't Want to expand the work of us people in Springfield. I said I didn't want to expand task forces. I think that's dlfferent. But as long as we have, Senator, your personal guarantee that we Will not spend additional State money on additional staffy if we can have your personal guarantee on the recordr that is good enough for me.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Pardcn -- pardon mer Senator Geo-Karis. That was a question, Senator? Senator Lauzen.
Thank you, Senator. Certainly I -- I make it a habit not to guarantee things that I don 't have the control over, but I appreciate the comment you make.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senater I commend Senator Welch. Now that he's been Assistant Minority Leader, he's looking after our treasury. I'm so glad to hear it. Number twoy I think this ls a very good resolution, because according to this resolution, a11 they want to do is study how the private and public sectors could increase coordination of efforts and information toward the goal of providing social services to 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28z 1993 families. I think it's a good resolutiony and it's bipartisan; I it's very fair. And I urge its -- its passage.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Palmerr for the second time.
Thank you. I apologize for rising for a second time, but I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going crazy. This is Project Success, a -- a study that was completed and presented to the Governor in September of 1991: Coordination of Social Services Action Group, headed by Lieutenant Governor Bob Kustra. And that is why I asked what the difference is in What you're proposing, because unless this tWo hundred thousand dollars is specifically to study things, it seems to me that it could be better used to implement some of the recommendations that were made in the study that has already been done. I'm certainly not opposed to coordination or to working together. I stand very strongly in favor of thatr but I certainly -- do nok see a reason to duplicate what we 've already done. Let's get on with implementing.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Fawell, for a second time.
I -- I apologize for -- for standing up for a second time, but I wonder: Are we going to be in tomorrow? Is there any chance of I ! maybe we could delay the vote on this until I talk to my colleague over there in the House and explain What the heck is going on in her own county?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) To answer your first question, Senator Fawelk, yesr we Will be . in tomorrow. To answer your second question, Senator Lauzen. Senator Lauzen.
69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 28r 1993 ! I prefer not. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDXCZ) E I Any further discussion? If not, Senator Lauzen, to close. I I i
I just request an Aye vote. I think that -- that the issue of children and families and -- and al1 of us who have been involved in taklng a look at how servtces are provlded and how ccmplex and how duplicative and a1l the good work that has been done to this date, as Senator Palmer points out, I think that it's a subject that. deserves the study. So, I ask for an Aye vote. i i
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lauzen noves the adoption of House Joint Resolution 7. Those in favor will vcte Aye. Oppcsed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a1l voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 39 Ayes, no Nays, 11 voting Present. And the resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 27. Senator Jones. ! Madam Secretary, read the resolution.
House Joint Resolutlon 27, offered by Senator Jones. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) I ' Senator Jones.
Thank you, Mr. President. House Joint Resolution 27 urges Conqress to enact changes in the Tax Code to allow employees to set up a tax-free medical savings account as a means of controlling health care costs and medical savings account be lncluded as an option in any health care reform package being developed by our Congress and signed by the President. This is something similarly done with the State of Illinois, and the Department of Central Management Services offers the same type program. So we're urglng thak Congress do likewise in their 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28y 1993 health care package.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Is there any discussion? Senator Syverson.
I just Want to applaud the Senator. This is an excitinç idea . and makes an awful 1ot of sense. And this is -- it's great to hear from you on this one. We 're very pleased to support this.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Topinka.
I -- I have to agree With Senator Syverson. I am absolutely shocked by this bill, your sponsorship . I -- I think you've -- you've written a new page in your history, Senator Jones. This sounds like a Republican bill. Anytine you Want to put something like this in our Hea1th Committee, 1111 look forward to seeing it.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Assistant Minorlty Leader Senator Patrick Welch.
I'd like to ask Senator Jones a question.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Jones. Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Welch.
Senator Jones, this proposal that you 're coming up With - a nedical savings account - is one that seems to be the idea pushed by Senator Phil Graham in Washington. Is this -- his is separate and apart, though, from the res: of the Clinton health care plan. Is it your prcposal that the entire plan of the Clinton Administration, with its universal coverage and other cost-shifting proposals, have this as a component, not as the major part of that health care plan? I 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) I ; Senator Jones.
Let me answer you in -- in this regard. I don't knoW What I Republican or what Senator -- national Senator has proposed this. . I've been familiar with this for quite some time. And as I indicated to you, in our own State of Illinois, We can do the same, identical thing - Central Management - and that is -- and that's bipartisan. I had talked to the original proponent on this legislation last year. He Wanted to propose legislation to do such, but I suggested that since there Was going to be a plan coming out of Washingtonr that it would be foollsh for us to . attempt to do it at the State level. So if there 's going to be a health care program, this option should be ln there, and I support the option. I don't care if some irresponsible Republican put forth the idea equally as well, but sometime they do come up with good ideas, too.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I think that Senator Jcnes, for the flrst time, ls on the right track, and I urge everyone to vote for his resolution.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) If there is no further discussion, Senator Jones mcves the adoption of House Joint Resolution 27. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 63. Madam Secretary, read the resolution.
House Joint Resolution 63r offered by Senator Fitzgerald.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Fitzgerald. l 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993
Thank your Mr. President. House Joint Resolution 63 invites the menbers of the Illinols Congressional Delegation to address a Joint Session of the General Assembly regarding unfunded federal nandates. As you kncw, we al1 hear a lot from our nunici.pal officials about so-called unfunded mandates passed by the General Assembly and the Governor and -- and impased upan them. I think it's time that our federal government hear about -- hear from us about the unfunded mandates that We're forced to live with. Among them are, of course: Medicaid spending, the Americans with Disabilities Act, vehicle enisslons and so onr a variety of Acts which cause us to spend money that we do not have, and this issue needs to be addressed. I urge an Aye vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DZDYCZ) Is there any discussion? Senator Burzynski. Senator Burzynski.
Thank you, Mr. President. Just like to rise in support of the resolution.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDXCZ) Senator Fitzgerald moves the adoption of House Joint Resolution 63. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. And the Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted . Senate Joint Resolution 80. Madam Secretary, read the resolution. i
Senate Joint Resolution 80, offered by Senators Rlemm and Mccracken.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Klemm . I
Well, thank your Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Joint Resolution 80 does What so many of the 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 28, 1993 stakes in our United States requiresr and that is to pass a ! balanced budget by Congress. Forty-five states do require that. Attempts, of course, in Congress I think are now ongoing to require this balanced budget amendment. And what resolution SJR 80 does is ask Congress and encourage them to adopt a resolution - - an amendment to the Constitution requiring a balanced budget. I thlnk this is in keeping with our congressional leaders of trying to find and put a handle on the federal deficitr in trying to refrain from overspending when it's not necessary, and I think Illinois should add its volce to those efforts. And I ask for your support. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) . Any discussion? Senator Jacobs.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Just would like to say a couple of words about the -- the resolution. I just -- Would the sponsor yield for a questiony I guess, would be the first position here.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Sponsor indicates he Will yield. Senator Jacobs.
Senator Rlemm, are ycu taking away one of the -- the -- the favorite discussion points of the congressional candidates whenever they run for officer with this resolution?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Klenm .
Well, I think most congressional candidates are more concerned about the federal deficit and certainly probably would supportr without exception, a balanced budget.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Jacobs. 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leglslative Day October 28, 1993
Just -- just as a followupr does that mean then that they will uave a balanced budget such as we have in zllinois, with what I understand is about a l.4-billion-dollar lapse? Does that mean that they're going to have a balanced budget as our 1aw requires?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Klemm.
Well, I could only hope that we'd have a balanced budget that would be a balanced budget, as we try to do in Illinois and the other forty-five states that have that legislation. The lacklng of the legislation in Congress gives them no guidelines to go by. And I think, certainlyr your voters and yourself and everybody in this Chamber would say we should have our government live wlthln its means, and this would certainly encourage Congress to draft the legislation necessary to accomplish what you and I would stand for.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Just a quick-aside tc Senator Klenn . Perhaps, Senator, We should amend ycur resolution and recommend to Congress that they do what we do here in Illinois: do lapse period spending. It solves a 1ot of problems. We're about 1.4 billlon in lapse period spendlng. It 's -- klnd of funny money. It's money that, you know, cones in ln the next year for the past year. Sor maybe We should tell Congress to take a look at what we do here in Illinois, solve a11 their problems. And then we also borrow about 2.1 billion dollars in short-term borrowing in Illinois. We'd also help Congress out that way. So they should really take a look at *he Illinois model of running government and budgets, and maybe we cculd solve sone of their problems in D.C. I 75 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28y 1993 I
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? If not, Senator Klemm moves the . ! adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 80. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay . The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted. Senate Joint Resolutlon 89. Madam Secretary, read .the resclution.
Senate Joint Resolution 89, offered by Senator Hasara. The Committee on Executive adopted Committee Amendment No. 1.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Hasara.
Thank you, Mr. Presldent. Before I beginr 1et me state that the resolution was amended to delete naming chilli as the State food. It was never my intentlon to start that argument, surely. So I think with that out of there, it -- it is -- should be a fairly easy resolution. It does seem appropriate, given the fact that I often hear colleagues from the House saying that the Senate never has as much fun as the House does. So it's appropriake, I think, to end the resolutlons today With this red hot one. And I must say that I've been shocked at thcse from the northern part of the State, ny seatmate for one, gho 's never even tasted chilli. So I guess when this was introduced, I did not realize that this was such a downstate issue. But seriously, there has been a running battle for yearsr particularly between Texas and Illinois, about which State should be the chilli capital of the world, and about the spelling of chilli. In downstate Illinois, anyway, We spell it with *wo Ls; Texas spells it with one. So this resolution simply designates Illinois as the Chilli Capital of the Civilized World, with the spelllng With two Ls. I move for its adoption.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any discussion? Senator Jacobs. 76 J. STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 SENATOR JACOBS; Thank you, Mr. President, Ladles and Gentlenen of the Senate. I'm appalled at this one. I'm probably going to vote for it, but I I'm still appalled. I'm appalled not so much because We are naming Illinois as the Chilli Capital of The World. I happen to like chilli. It's one of my favorites. I tried to :et chilli in Texas. You cannot get chilli in Texas. My concerny as Senator Hasara pointed out, is the spelling of chilli With two Ls. Granted that may be the spelling in Springfieldy Illinois, but in the Quad Cities, USA, that is not the correct spelling. As you look in the dictionary, chili, With one Lr becomes the prevalent spelling , and the double L becomes a variable -- or a variant. So if we are going to be proper and if we are going to truly consider chilli -- or Illinols as the chilli capital of the world: I think that we should change the spelling to one L.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? Senator Syverson.
I Would concur with Senator Jacobs. I think in Rockford, We spell it with one L as well, and I'd like to know What the fiscal impact is on forcing a11 the changes on the textbooks and a11 the restaurant logos.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Any further discussion? If not, Senator Hasara moves the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 89. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, say Nay. The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted. Senator Raicay for Nhat purpose do ycu rise?
Thank you, Mr. President. First of all, I'd like to apologize to the Members on this side of the aisle that Senator Lauzen took i so long with his bill, but there is a meeting of the Local 1 Government and Elections Committee at -- immediately following 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 this Session tn Room 400. Room 400.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Palmer, for What purpose do you rise?
Thank youy.Mr. President. A point of personal privilege.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) State your point.
I'm honored to welcome to the Chamber, and I hope you will join me in doing sor the Honorable (Orlah A.) Tcny Garra, who is from Zimbabwe - Harare, Zimbabwe, ane of our colleagues there and also the Chairman and Chlef Executive of the Negondo Chemical Conpany in Zimbabwe. He is accompanied by Keya Dennis, Who is the Executive Director of the Commlsslon on International Visitors for the City of Springfield. Would you please Welcome them to the State Senate?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Will our guests please rise? Welcome to Springfield. Senator Woodyard, for what purpose do you rise?
Thank your Mr. President, for the purpose of an announcement. As you well know, we we postpcned *he Senate Ag-conservation Committee to 2 p.m. or upon adjournment this afternoon. I wish to postpone that -- that Senate Agriculture-conservation Ccmmittee hearing until tomorrow morning at 9 o 'clock. This is because the paperwork hasn't come over from the Rouse.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Maitlandr for whaE purpose do you rise?
Thank you very much, Mr. President. On a point of personal privilege, sir.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH REGE UN LA ERAL SEA SSS IE OM NBLY 1 SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 State your point. GENATOR MAITLAND: I Mr. President, I want to comment on a statement made by Senator Lapaille, and I -- and T know that he didn 't mean to mislead the Bodyy but I really believe that we ought to put this in the record. I think, Senator Lapaille, you indicated lapse I period spending at 1.4. Let me just give you a -- a little track record here of where we are. When we budgeted F7192, we were at l ! slightly over a billion. When we budgeted FY'93# We Were down to i nine seventeen. For FY194, we budgeted eight thirty-six. And now, ' since we are past that pericd r in actualityr we were at eight j hundred and two million dollars. I kncw you didn't mean to mislead the Body. Want that as a matter of the record. Thank you, Mr. Presldent.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Demuzlo , for what purpose do you rise?
1'11 yield for the moment.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) Senator Lapallle. SENATOR LaPAILLE: As a former Appropriations staff memberr Senator Maitland, I did err. I meant that it was lapse period, plus Sectlon 25: and I know you know what Section 25 is all about. If you add both of them togetherr it's 1.4 billion. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) . Senator Demuzio, for what purpose do you rise?
Thank you, Mr. President. It is now my understandlng that we're going to remain open simply to accept Messages from the House. There will be a Rules Ccmmittee later -- later on in the afternoon; that there will nct be any further action required of 79 ). . STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 the Members to be here for the remainder of the day. Is that I correct? !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDXCZ) That is correct. The Agriculture -- the Committee on Agriculture will meet tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. in Rocm 212. Local Government will be meeting immediately after we recess, and the -- the Chair -- the Senate will stand in recess until the will of the Chair, to accept Messages from the House. Senator Demuzio.
That's fine. Can you tell us what time webre coning back tomorrow, because a 1ot of the Members are going to ge ueparyyugz
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DUDYCZ) We gill be returnin: tomcrrow morning at 10 o'clock in the morning. Having effectively concluded the business of the day, other than waiting for paperwork from the House, the Senate stands in recess until the call of the Chair. (SENATE STANDS IN RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES)
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The Senate Will come to order. Committee Reports.
Senator Raica, Chair of the Committee on Local Government and Electlonsy reports Senate Bill 990, the First Conference Committee Report, Be Approved for Consideration.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Messages frcn the House. 1 SECRETARY HARRY : ' I 80 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION ' SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Leglslative Day October 28, 1993 : A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. Mr. President - I am dlrected to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed a bill of the fcllowing title, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the coneurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bill 1594. Passed the House, October 28, 1993. A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has concurred with the Senate in khe passage of a bill of the followin: title, to wit: Senate Bill 485: with House Amendment No . 1. We have a like Message on Senate Bill 868, with House Anendment No . 1. Both passed the House, as anended, October 28thr 1993, by a three-fifths vote. A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi: Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatlves has adopted the following joint resolution, in the adoption of which I am instrucked to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: Hcuse Joint Resolution 85. Adopted by the House, October 28, 1993. It's substantive.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Resolutlons.
Senate Resolutlon 897, offered by Senator Stern. It's congratulatory.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Consent Calendar. Introduction of Bills.
Senate Bill 1135, offered by Senator Sieben. 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 (Secretary reads title cf bill) 1st Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) House Bills 1st Reading. 1 . SECRETARY HARRY: House Bill 742, offered by Senators Shadid, Hawkinson and I Severns. (Secretary reads title of bill) And House Bill 1594, offered by Senators DeAngelis and Shaw. (Secretary reads title of bill) 1st Reading of the bills. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senate will stand in recess until the call of the Chair. (SENATE STANDS IN RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES) PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senate will come to order. Committee Reports. SECRETARY HARRY: Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rules, reports that the following Legislative Measures have been assigned to committees: referred to the Agriculture and Conservation Committee - House Bill 1594; referred to Executive Committee - Conference Committee ReporE 1 tc Senate Bill 498, motions to concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 485, and Amendnent 1 to Senate Bill 868. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) i Any further business to bring before the Senate? I mighk 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY . REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 83rd Legislative Day October 28, 1993 remind the Membershipy if they dre in their offices, that there Will be an Executive Committee meeting at 9 o 'clock ln the mcrning ln Room 400. Senator Philip moves that the Senate stand adjourned until 10:05, Friday, October 29th. Senate will stand adjourned. 83 -- .j ORT:TIFLDAY REP STATE 0F ILLINOIS 9:/11/29 PâGE: O01 88TH GENERAL ASSEHBLY 1V:O2:51 SENATE ! DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBZTE INDEX ' I OCTLBER28 1993 HB-000R THiRD READING PAGE 5 HB-03VM RECALLED PAGE 23 HB-03)R THIRD READING PRGE 2) HB-03RR OTHER PZGE 3 HB-07R2 FIRST READING PAGE 82 HB-1032 THIRD READING PAGE 27 HB-135R THIRD REZDIMG PAGE 28 HB-1V79 THIRD READING PAGE 30 HB-159R FIRST READING PZGE 82 SB-0591 CONCURRENCE PAGE 32 SB-061R CONFERENCE P2GE 5 SB-1135 FIHST REZDING PZGE 81 ; 5R-0536 ADOPTED PZGE VV 5:-0671 ADOPTED PZGE 50 5R-0759 ADOPTED PAGE 51 sR-0792 ZDOPTED PZGE 57 SR-082O ADOPTED PAGE 58 sR-0822 ZDOPTED PZGE 59 5R-0875 ZDOPTED PAGE 36 SR-088k RESOLUTIOM OFFERED PAGE 3 5R-0885 RESOLUTIOV OFFERED PAGE 3 5R-0886 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED PAGE 3 5R-0887 RESOLUTIOMOFFERED PAGE 3 k 3R-0888 RESOLDTION OFFERED PAGE 3 5R-0889 RESOLUTION OFFERED PâGE 3 5:-0890 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 3 SR-0891 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED PAGE 3 5R-0892 RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE 3 5R-0893 RESOLUTION OFFERED P2GE V3 i :R-089: RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE :3 5R-0895 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE :3 5R-0896 RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE :3 5R-0897 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED PAGE 81 HJR-0003 ADOPTED PRGE 62 HJR-0007 ZDOPTED PZGE 6V HJR-0027 ZDOPTED PRGE 70 HJR-0063 ADOPTED PAGE 72 HJR-0085 RESOLUTIOV OFFERED PAGE 81 SJR-0080 ADOPTED PAGE 73 SJR-0080 DISCUSSED PAGE 79 SJR-0089 âDOPTED PAGE 76 SJR-0096 ADOPTED PAGE V SJR-0099 RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE 3 SJR-0100 RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE :3 SUBJECT HATTER SEMATE T0 ORDER-SEMATOR HEAVER PAGE 1 PRAYER-THE REVEREND GEHRY COHSTOCK PAGE 1 JOURNAL-APPROVED PâGE 1 JOURNAL-POSTPOKED PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 1 INTRODUCTIOV 0F GUEST-SEMZTOR H0ODf2RD PAGE V GUEST SPEAKER-PROFESSOH F2NG PZGE 5 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 36 EXECUTIVE SESSIOV PZGE 37 ARISE FROH EXECUTIVE SESSION PZGE :2 RECESS PAGE 80 SENâTE RECONVENES PZGE 80 COMXITTEE REPORTS PAGE 80 MESSAGES FROH THE HOUSE PZGE 80 RECESS PZGE 82 SENZTE RECOVVENES PAGE 82 COMMITTEE REPORTS PRGE 82 . .> REPORT: TIFLDZY STZTE OF ILLINOIS 94/11/29 PAGE: 002 88TH GENERZL ASSEHBLY 1R:02:51 SENATE DAILY TRAKSCRIPTION OF DEBZTE INDEX OCTOBER 28, 1993 EUBJECT HZTTER âDJOURNHEMT PAGE 83