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Illinois Senate Floor Debate — October 29, 1993

88th General Assembly (1993-1994) · Legislative day 22 · First Special Session
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The regular Session of the 88th General Assembly Will please come to order. Will the Members please be at their desksr and Will our guests in the gallery please rise. Our prayer today Will be given by Reverend David Baker of the Ashland Methodist Chureh . Reverend Baker . THE REVEREND DAVID BAKER 1 (Prayer by the Reverend David Baker)

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Reading of the Journal , Madam Secretary . Senator Butler.

SENATOR BUTLER

... (nachine cutoff)...president, I move that reading and approval of the Journals of Wednesday, October 27th and October 28th, Thursdayz in the year 1993, be postponed, pending arrival of the printed Journals .

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Butler has moved to postpone the reading and approval of the Journal, pending arrival of the printed transcripts. There being no objectton, it is so ordered. Committee Reports.

ACTTNG SECRETARY HAWMER

Senator Karpiel, Chairperson of the Committee on Executive, reports Senate B11l 498 , First Conference Conmtittee Reportr Be Adopted; Senate Bill No. 485, mokion to concur with House M endment No. 1r Be Adopted; and Senate Bill 868, nction tc concur with House M endment No. 1, Be Adopted. Senator Woodyard, Chairman of the Colnmittee on Agriculture and Conservation, repcrts House Bi11 1594 Do Pass .

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Resolutions .

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

Senate Resolutions 898 and 899, offered by Senator Delzeo. And Senate Resolution 900z offered by Senator Shaw . l STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRJPT 84th Legislative Day October 29r 1993 Theylre a11 congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Consent Calendar. Messages from the House.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. Mr. President am directed to inform the Senate that the Hcuse of Representatives has adopted the following jolnt resolution, in the adoption of which I am instrueted to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Joint Resolution 82. It is congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Consent Calendar. On the Order of Conference Committee Reports, on page 6, Senator Thomas Dunn: do you Wish to call 990? ..m tmlcrophone cutcffl...what purpose does Senator Demuzio arise?

SENATOR DEMUZIO

Well, thank youy President, on a point of personal privilege. I'd like to introduce a gentleman who is visiting With us here in the Senate today. He's a brother-in-law of our esteemed colleaguey Senator Shadid. Fred Bostany, kho is retired, from Birmingham, Alabamar is -- is here visiting With us. He's on my right, behind me here, and we'd like to welcome him to the Illinois Senate and say thanks for coming.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Welcome, Senator. On page 6 of the Calendar, in -- is the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Madam Secretaryr do We have on file a Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 990?

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

Yes, Mr. President. First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 990.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The Chair reeognizes Senator Thomas Dunn. 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS . 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993

SENATOR T. DUNN

Thank you r Mr. President. This is a noncontroversial report. Nearly all the provisions have passed the Senate before. It passed the House by 108 to Passed out of Local Government yesterday unanimously. The forelgn firefighter insurance portion of the bill is entirely permissive and previously passed in the Senate. The river conservancy district portion of the bill has passed the Senate previously and really is already law. The private firefighting standards porticn of the report passed the Senate previously 54 to nothing. The technical Municipal Code rewrite passed the Senate previously on Hcuse Bill 176, and that vote was 56 to nothing. The report has been stalled in the House. The sanitary inspector portion of bill for Madison County prevlously passed the Senate 54 to 0 on House Bill 1974 that Was amendatorily vetoed by the Governor, concerning other provisions. So I urge your adoptlon.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discusslon? If notz the question is, shall the Senate adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 990. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed r vote No. The voklng is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question. the Ayes are 56, the Nays are noner none voting Present. The Senate does adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 990. And the bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Dudycz on the Floor? ...tmicrophone cutoffl...what purpose does SenaEor Donahue arise? Senator Donahue. SENATOR DONAHUE; Thank your Mr. President. If could have Republican Members l attention, I would like to call a caucus immediately in Senator Pate Philip's Offlce.

PRESIDING OFEICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 3 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 There will be a Republican Caucus immediately in Senator Philipls Office. Senator Demuzio?

SENATOR DEMUZIO

Do we have any idea how long the caucus will will take, so we have some idea? PRESIDING OFFTCER; (SENATOR WEAVER) would hope, Senakor, that thirty minutes would do it. Senator Cullerton.

SENATOR CULLERTON

Thank your Mr. President. We wondered if we could join you in that Republican Caucus, so we could find out what's going on, too.

FRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

FRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) wouldn't set precedent. The Senate Will stand in recess tl11 the call of the Chair. Senator Cullerton?

SENATOR CULLERTON

Well, if youdre not going to 1et us into yours, weld like to have one of our own.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Very gocd . There Will be a Democratic Caucus in Senator Jones' Office lmmediately . Senate will stand at ease. (SENATE STANDS AT EASE) (SENATE RECONVENES)

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ...(machine cutoff)...wi11 come to order. Messages from the House.

Harry (surname or first name uncertain)

A Message from *he House by Mr. Rossi , Clerk . 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29r 1993 Mr. President am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatlves has cancurred With the Senate in the passage of a bill of the following title, to W1t: Senate Bill 87, With House Amendments 2, 3, 6, 7: 8 and 9. Passed the House, October 29, 1993. We have like Messages on Senate Bill 232, With House Amendment 3, and Senate Bill 450, with House Amendments 5, 6, 7: 9r 10r 11 and 12. Passed the Houser October 29, 1993.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR WEAVER) Introductions of Bills .

Harry (surname or first name uncertain)

Senate Bill 1136, offered by Senator Elemm. (Secretary reads title of bil1) And Senate Bill 1137 ls offered by Senator Stern . (Secretary reads title of bi11) lst Reading of the bills.

PRESIDING OFEICER (SENATOR WEAVER)

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) We will now proceed to the Order of Resolutions Consent Calendar. With leave of the Body, all those read in today Wi11 be added to tlne 11st of resolutions . Mr. Secretary r have there been any objections filed to any resolution on the Consent Calendar?

Harry (surname or first name uncertain)

No objections have been filed, Mr. President.

PRESIDJNG OFFTCER (SENATOR M JTLAND)

PRESIDJNG OFFTCER: (SENATOR M JTLAND) Any discussion? If not , the questlon shall the resolutions cn the Consent Calendar be adopted . A1l those in favcr, say Aye . Opposed , Nay . The motion carries, and the resolutions are adopted .

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) A1l right . Ladies and Gentlemen , on -- on page House 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 qsic> (Senate) Bills 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1121. Senator I Sieben. Read the bill, Madam Secretary. i 1 ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1121. : (Secretary reads title of bill) i ! 3rd Reading of the bill. ! I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) l i I Senator Sieben. i SENATOR SIEBEN: Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 1121 contains the identical language for the transfer appropriation dealing with Mt. Morris that was contained in the supplemental appropriation yesterday that we debated at some length, and discussed. So you're a11 aware of the situation and the circunstances involving Mt. Morris. The reason for this bill is, quite sinply, it appears that the supplemental noW has -- there's some uncertainty as to how that supplemental is now goln: to move in the House. We passed it, I thinkr with fifty-two or fifty-three votes here yesterday in the Senate. The bottom line is, Mt. Morris cannot continue in a period of uncertainty here. They are at the point where they have some very difficult decisions to make, and we need to assure them that they're going to be able to continue in operation. And let me just share With you that the uncertainty of the funding situation in Mt. Morris is I taking a heavy toll on teachers, a heavy toll on admlnistrators, a r heavy toll on parents, and certainly the members of the senior class of Mt. Morris thak would like to complete their graduatlon requirements so that they can go on and -- and attend future colleges or universities. So because of that uncertainty, I'm asking that you suppcrt Senate Bi11 1121: which Will transfer the money from the line item . And I migh: share With you, l.3 million dollars is already in our budget for the annexation incentive for I 6 !l '. 1 . STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 the Oregon-Mt. -- Oregon-Mt. Morris annexation. That money is already there. And what we're doing With this bill, simply, is transferring it to a line item to advance seven hundred and thirty-one thousand of that moneg as a loan to Mt. Morris for the balance of this year. Be pleased to ask -- answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Senator Carroll.

SENATOR CARROLL

Whyr thank you, Mr. Presidenty Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Sounds like Yogi Berra saying, ''Deja vu''al1 over agaln. This was not the greatest thing in the supplemental, as I remember from the discussion. In factr this Was probably the part cf the supplemental that received the most discussion. think least on our slde, people voted for the supplemental because of the flood funds that Were in there. Maybe I'm wrong. There 's a 1ot of problems With thisy as many of us see and that is -- mean, there were other choices for Mt. Morris. I feel very sorry for them. I know they were supposed to try and consolidate with Oregon. There are decisions they have made. But again, I repeat, this is the equivalent of a four hundred and eleven million dollar loan to Chicago, except none is being offered. This a State intrusion of funds, by way of loanr to one district, out of over a hundred that have a problen, and yet there is no discussion that have heard of any work rule changes in Mt. Morris, any other additional RIF teachers Mt. Morris, any cther additional overslghts, inspecEor general at Mk. Morris. A1l the other things I've heard about is not in here that can find, and yet it's State dollars. But again we see to one little area of Illinois, the Governor and Republican Party has no interest in giving any State help, and that little area has four hundred and eleven thousand students. I think it Would be absolutely ludicrous for us, at this point in time, to say that we have State dollars for STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29r 1993 one district and not for anyone else. But again, if that's the Governor's choice and he wants to choose Mt. Morris over Chicago, that's a decislon he can make. It's not a decision I'm Willing to nake. I have no problen helpin: Mt. Morris float its oWn bond issue, assuming Chicaqo can and all the other areas of the State that are havlng problens, or 1et the State come up and loan the money cheaper to al1 of these areas of the State. But not just one and not under differenk rules. don't think we want to be accused of discriminating against any school districtr and I Would urge opposition.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator DeAngelis . SENATOR DeANGELIS : Well, you know, I I must have not been here yesterday, because I think a1l the debate heard - the Minority Leader of the Senate , several other Members - talking about how they Were so genercus in supporting this concept for -- for Senator Sieben's schools, and they were hopeful that when the time came that We had an opportunity to reciprocate , We Would do so . And guess , Senator Carroll, what you 1re saying is, you're going to vote No for this ; then I guess I '11 vote No for your schools . Okay? Maybe that should be the kind of deal we ought to make . But I thought I heard yesterday of the great generosity on the part of scme of the Members from the other side , and why don 't you do this for this poor school out there. And now: todayr hear a different story. I hear what a lousy thing this is and how the State ought not to be involved in doing this . I don 't know . Why what are we doing down here in the Special Session? Are we not even considering doing something for another school district? Well , I think we 're going to look at this roll call, beeause I think ik may have something to do with the outcome of the other problems that we have . 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29' 1993 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further discussion? Senator Hendon . SENATOR HENDON : Thank you , Mr. President . You know, yesterday I supported this # and I fe1t it Was the right thing to do , but here we are back today . And as I read up there , it says ''emergency assistance ,'' and -- and dcn 't see nothing for the Chicago schools. I mean, ke should do a1l -- if -- lf -- if my friend 's schools are in trouble, ny schools are in trouble. We should have - - put one vote for all the schoolsr and don't Want us standing here and vote for -- for his schools y and then -- and then , next week or a week after: wherever, when it comes to my schools, then We ean 't get the same courtesy ; We can 't get the same vote . And this makes no sense to me at a11 . We should have one plan to save a11 the schools throughout Illinois , instead of a plan that we 're going to pass here today for one set of kids y While -- while the other set of kids don't know Whatts going to happen to them tomorrow. I think it's wrong. If the State can bail out his schools , then the State should bail out a11 the schools in throughout Illinois and not just start picking one over the other and a11 of this and a11 of that. It is Wrong to do, and I urge a1l of my colleagues to not support this, and maybe we can then -- if it 's your schools in trouble , maybe we can then get the Governcr tc move on in saving al1 the schools throughout Illinois: downstate , Chicago , as well as Mt . Morris . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MATTLAND) Further discussion? Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS : Thank you , Mr. President and Members of the Senate . really had not intended to to speak on this issue : and quite frankly , I'm not speaking on this particular bill and -- whether or not a point of personal privilege or not . But I think tlne debate 9 $ STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 on this bill points up just hoW irresponsible we are as legislators. We're talking about here the education of the children of our Statey and it is very clear that the debate in this Chamber is about politics. Politics is what We're putting before the needs and interests of children. The Chicago schools, whether it's Senator Sieben's district, or whatever district in this State that -- that -- that are in need of some additional dollars to insure - to insure - an investment in our future. We are here talking about ''l'm not going to support your bill because you don't support my bill,'' and because the Governor's faulty because the Democrats' fault, and the Republicans' fault. It's tine for us to stop playlng this game and be about the business of educating the children. Senator Sieben, I suggesk to you you take thls bill out of the record and let's get down to business of solving the problems of education ln this Stake and do What we have to do on an emergency level to insure that al1 of the schools will open and stay open this year sc that we can get about the business of a long-term solution to the crisis of funding education in this State. I think it's a shame for us to be here with this kind of debate.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

SENATOR GEO-KARIS

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of ehe Senaee, I'm rather shocked to hear some of the comments from the other side. Have they forgotten that we did present a bill tWo weeks ago Wbere we voted for help for the Chicago schools? And We voted for the bonding, and we did concern ourselves with the Chicagc schoolsy and yet, we had Ehirty votes on itz but we didn't have one Democrat vote on it. We are concerned about a1l schools: but I think it's unfair to take it out on this particular little school which had its problems that it d1d not create itself. And I urge 10 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 for a favorable vote. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Berman. ! SENATOR BERMAN: Thank you, Mr. President. I'm disturbed by some of the debate on this bill at this time. Yesterday I indicated that I Was concerned about the children in Mt. Morris, and I'm concerned about them today. But I think that some of the other issues cloud our commitment to help these childrenr as Well as helping other children, and I wculd respectfully ask the sponsor if he Would mind withdrawing this from consideration now . I personally think I that we ought to help the Mt. Mcrris children at the same time I that we help the Chicago children. And when we have a plan, I'm ready to support both of them. And I Would ask if this could be wlthdrawn from consideration at this point. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Sleben. SENATOR SIEBEN: Senator Berman, I appreciate your comments on khe blll and khe legislation. I appreciatey certainlyy your concern for the students in -- ln Mt. Morrls. I Would just share again With the Body that Mt. Morris is facing a timing situation here, and that if for some reason that the supplemental appropriation that includes thls language does not move until January, this distrlct will close their doors sometlme in December or early January. And the uncertainty is the dlfficulty in this school situation. I would also share that Representative von Bergen Wessels, the Demccrat who has this district, represents Mt. Morris, has also filed this exact same bill in the House and is trying to move the same bill for Mt. Morris in the House. And I -- I would hope that the mechanics of the process could come together here in a timely fashion so that should the supplemental no* be passed in *he next ' 11 :. STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29r 1993 few weeks, that the Members on your side of the aisle, b0th in the House and the Senate, will work cooperatively to utilize what the current Statutes allow us to do. And I Would say ta a11 the Members here, if Mt. Morris Was in your district, you Would be working with the IEA, you 'd be Wcrking With the State Board of Education, you would be Working with the local superintendentsr doing exactly the same thing I'm doing, to serve the students your district. A11 that wedre doing here ls utilizing the existing statutes. With that said, and With hope for cooperation at a later date here: I Will take the bill out cf the record at this time.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) A11 right. Senate Bi1l 1121 is out of the reecrd. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise, mafam?

SENATOR GEO-KARIS

Mr. President, a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) State your point.

SENATOR GEO-KARIS

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, we have here today, seated at the President's Gallery on my right: the Mayor of Fox Lake, Kenny Hamsher, H-A-M-S-H-E-R; Trustee Alberta Meyer, M-E-Y-E-R , and Treasurer Sue McNally, the -- from Fox Lake, and Howard Scott from Lake Villa. Senator Bill Peterson and represent different sections of Fox Lakey and represent Lake Villa. And I'd like you to help me welcome our guests up in the President's Gallery .

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Will our guests in the gallery please rise and be recognized by the Senate? Welcome to Springfield . Resolutions.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

Senate Joint Resolution 102, offered by Senator Weaver. 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislatlve Day October 29, 1993 (Secretary reads SJR No. 102)

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Weaver.

SENATOR WEAVER

Thank you, Mr. President. I Would move to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration and adoption of the adjournment resolution.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Weaver moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 102. Those in favor, say Aye. Those oppcsed, Nay. The Ayes have lt. The Rules are suspended. Senator Weaver now moves for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 102. Those in favory say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the motlon is adopted. A11 right. The regular Session will stand at ease for a few ncments. (SENATE STANDS AT EASE) (FIRST SPECIAL SESSION RECONVENES) (See Flrst Special Sesslon Transcript) (SENATE RECONVENES)

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) A11 right. Ladies and Gentlemeny on page -- middle of page 6 of the Calendar is the Order of Concurrences. Senate Bill 358. Senator Dudycz. Madam Secretaryr read the bill.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

House Amendments l and 3 to Senate Bill 358. 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Dudycz.

SENATOR DUDYCZ

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 353 originally amended the Illinois Fire Prctection Training Act to provide that cities with a population over one million must provlde equal opportunities for advanced fireflghter training to all sworn employees of the fire departmenty including paramedics. The bill was amended in the House on July 13th. The amendment sponsor was the Speaker, Speaker Madiganr and the amendment gutted the -- the anendment gutted the bill and became the bill. Senate Bill 358, as as amendedr contains provisions agreed to by a11 parties lnvolvedr including the City and the Chicago Fire Fighters Unlon Local 2 last March. And it amends the Chicago Firefighter Article of the Pension Code to increase the occupational disease and duty disability benefits for firefighters Who have been on disability for at least ten years, and it has an immediate effective date. Now, two days ago, received communications from the Firemen's Annuity and Benefit Fund where they expressed concern and objection to the as it is currently, because contains tWo words: ''current salary.'' Although I had -- dkd speak with the Fire Flghters Union today, and as recently as less than an hour ago, spoke with representatives from the City, and they al1 said -- or both sides agreed that everybody had signed off on this language in March. And Would like to seek your affirnative support; otherwise, I will be happy to answer any questlons.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Senator Raica .

SENATOR RAICA

Thank you, Mr. Presldent and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. First of all, I'd like to thank Senator Philip and STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29y 1993 Senator Jones for allowing this Body to hear this particular piece of legislation. As Senatcr Dudycz stated, this particular piece of legislation, Senate Bill 358, has been on the Calendar since March of this year. The City has known about it; the Pension Board has known about it; the House and the.senate have both known about it. And it wasn't until tWo days ago that the Pension Board came to opposition, and not for any moral reasons, if anything - just because of internal strife wlthin their own organization. Local 2 has a new president who has been pushin: for this issue ever since he's been elected as the new president of Local 2, and that's Dan Eabrizio. He's been doing an excellent job. He has gotten the Mayor of the City of Chicago, who has called Senator Dudycz, called myself and other Members, to say that the Pension i i Board has been opposed to this, HWhat should we do? Should we push forward?'' He asked for our inputr and I applaud Tim Degnan and the Mayor of the City of Chicago for this. This is nothing new . Thls has been here. The Penslon Board has opposition, but it is no t be cause of -- of a right o r a wrong issue ; it 's beca 'use of personal issues that they have a problem with it. And I would ' just ask for an Aye vote on Senate Bill 358.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further discussion? Senator Cullerton.

SENATOR CULLERTON

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. As i people are aware with regard to pension bills, it's been the model I in the General Assenbly for at least ten years that Whenever there is a bill that deals with a pension benefit, that we have asked for bipartlsan support on any of those measures. And we also have insisted that the employer basically sign off on any pension benefit. So if it's a Downstate Teachersl provision, we want the ! Municipal League to be aware of it and make sure that they have I signed off on it. And tbat's had a very beneficial effect. We've 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84*h Legislatlve Day October 29, 1993 b I een able to, in effect, not just keep on raiding penskon funds. We've been very responsible with regard to the benefits. In this particular case, those measures had been complied with. As Senator Raica has indlcated, the city of Chicago, as the employer of the firefighters, has agreed to this. particular benefit, and the fact that the Pension Board ltself may have -- may -- may have disagreed is not really relevant to what our ground rules have been down here. We have said that *he employer has to sign off. Now, if the City of Chicago said they Were against it, then I would not support it. But the City of Chicaga has indicated that they have been in favor of it, and therefore, I think we should support it. I supported it ln committee, and be happy to vote Aye again.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further discussion? Senator Dudycz, to close.

SENATOR DUDYCZ

Thank you, Mr. President. Just in closingr I'd like to add that there are currently about four hundred members of the Chicago Fire Department who are on disability, and their average age is about fifty-six years old. This would affect a very small amount of retirees, and I Would just seek your affirmative support.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR MAITLAND)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) A11 right, Ladies and Gentlemen, this is final action. The question 1s, shall the Senate concur in Hcuse Amendments 1 and 3 to Senate Bi1l 358. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a11 voted Nho wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary. On that -- on that question, there are 51 Ayes, l Nay, no Members voting Present. The Senate does concur in House Amendments l and 3 to Senate B111 358. And the bill, having received the required three-fifths majority, is declared passed.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) 16 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislatlve Day Octcber 29: 1993 Supplemental Calendar No. 1, is House Bill 1594. Senator DeAngelis, do you Wish the bill called? Madam Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

House Bill 1594, offered by Senator DeAngelis. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Madam President. House Bill 1594 -- the amendment basically does what it says, and that is that it reduces...

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Excuse me, Senator. Excuse me. Madam, have there been any Floor amendments approved for consideration?

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

No Eloor amendments have been filed: Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) 3rd Reading. Secretary's Desk, Concurrence, ls Senate Bill 485. Senator Weaver. Read the bill, Madam Secretary .

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

House Amendnent No. l to Senate Bill 485.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Weaver.

SENATOR WEAVER

Thank you, Madam President. I Would move that the Senate concur in House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 485. This is basically noncontroversialr but it allows the Commlssioner of Banks to, upon written apprcval, 1et banks have quarterly meetings, rather than annual meetings. If there's any questions, I'd like -- I'd try to answer them for them. I would move concurrence.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 ! ! Is there any further discussion? Senator Dunn. I I SENATOR T. DUNN: Thank you, Madam President. Yes. I want to joln With Senator Weaver to say khat this is a very food bill. Ttls designed to . encourage, rather than discourage, local input on bank boards. And encourage everyone on this side of the aisle to support this. PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Weaver, to close. This ls final actlon. The question is, shall the Senate concur in House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 485. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposedy Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. (55 Aye, 0 Nay, 0 Present) The Senate does concur in House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 485. And the bill, having received the required three-fifths majority, is declared passed. Senate B111 868. Senator Severns. Read the bill, Madam Secretary. ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER : House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 868. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Severns. SENATOR SEVERNS: Thank youz Madam President: Members of the Senate. Senate Bill 868 is very similar to the bill that Senator Dunn introduced - I believe that was Senate Bill 1157 - to -- to correct a problem created by House Bill 1260, which passed out of this General Assembly last sprlng. Slmply, whak it does is restore the exemption that b0th new and used car dealers enjoyed on bonding after being in business for -- for three years. While the new car dealers continue to enjoy the exemption with the passage of Hcuse Bill 1260, it removed the exemption for used car dealers, and the purpose of this amended bill -- or concurrence motion is to restore that exempkion. If there are any questlonsr Id11 be happy 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 to answer.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Any further discussion? Senator Dunn.

SENATOR R . DUNN

Thank you, Madam. Someone asked me how come that's Penny Severns' bill now. It Was put -- thls amendment Was put on over in the House by Representative Saltsmany and I appreciate him doing that. I appreciate Penny Severns allowing us use her bill for the purpose of correcting what think Was an injustice to the used car dealers. There's one grcup that -- probably With less regard than politicians, and that's the used car dealers. Sometimes they need help, and this is one of the times that think that they need some help. And I'd urge you to vcte Aye on this and put the used car dealers and used car -- new car dealers on the same level in the playing field. I'd urge an Aye vote for the people on this side.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

SENATOR GEO-KARIS

Madam President, would the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Indicates she'll yleld, Senator Geo-Karis.

SENATOR GEO-KARIS

Senator Severns, your bill noW restores the -- restores the same language to the Act before was amended by 1260?

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Severns.

SENATOR SEVERNS

Yes, doesr except for the bond level. It's at twenty thousand, instead of ten.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Any further discussion? Seeing none, Senator Severns, to 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 close. ( SENATOR SEVERNS: i I would just ask for a favorable vote. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) This ls final action. The question is, shall the Senate concur in House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 868. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay . The voting is cpen. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record. The Senate does concur in House Amendments -- No. 1, With the votes belng 55 Yeas, no Naysz to 1 Senate Bill 868. And the billr having received the required three-fifths majority, is declared passed. Conference Committee Report, Senate Bill 498. Senator Topinka. Out of the record, Madam Secretary. Resolutlons.

ACTING SECRETARX HAWRER

Senate Resolution 901, offered by Senator Raica . It is congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Raica.

SENATOR RAICA

Thank you, Madam President. A point of personal privilege. I would ask that we suspend the rules for immediate ccnsideratian of Senate Bill <sic> 901. It is congratulatory. It has to do With a boy scout in my distrlct, and I wish -- if I can get it home for thls weekend . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) ' Senator Raica moves to suspend the rules for the immediate adoption and conslderation cf Senate Resolutlon 901. Those ln favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. NoW Senatcr Raica moves for the adoption of Senate Resolution No. -- 901. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay . The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted . Resolutions. 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29, 1993 ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: ( Senate Joint Resclution 101, offered by Senators Syverson, Burzynski, Sieben, Madigan and Jaccbs. It is substan*ive. PRESIDING OFFICER:. (SENATOR DONAHUE) Introduction of Bills.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

Senate Bill 1138, offered by Senator Mahar. (Secretary reads title of bill) lst Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Resolutions.

ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER

Senate Resolution 902, affered by Senator Carroll. It is congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Carroll, on Senate Resolution 902.

SENATOR CARROLL

Thank you, Madam Presldent, Members of the Senate. I would move for the -- inmediate suspension of the appropriate rules so that Senate Resolution 902 can be considered.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Senator Carroll moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 902. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. NoW Senator Carroll moves for the adoption of Senate Resolution 902. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have ity and the resolution is adopted. Senatcr Philip.

SENATOR PHILIP

Thank you, Madam President and Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senate. Remind the Members that We're coming in Wednesday at 3 o'clock for the Veto Session. Hopefully we'll have something to I 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION . SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29r 1993 vote ony so hope that everybody would be on time. Also, I'd like to congratulate our Chief of Staff, Carter Hendren, from going -- I being indicted <sic> into the Samuel Gold Illinois Legislative Internship Hall of Fame. It Was a very nice ceremony at the Mansion on Monday. There were three other people... Welly I Was close, Wasn't 1? We had Kirk Dillard, Larry Hanson, Carter Hendren and Linda Kingman. It Was very tastefully done . They do it about every two or three years, and I just Want to compliment our Chief of Staff.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Is there any further business to come before the Senate? Any further business? Senate -- excuse me. Senator Watson.

SENATOR WATSON

Yes. Thanks, Madam President. Due to Session next week, We had a hearing scheduled, Education hearing, in Chicago for Thursday. Welre going to cancel that and reschedule at another date. So the Education hearing for Chicago on Thursday Will be cancelled.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) All right. Senator Weaver.

SENATOR WEAVER

Thank you, Madam President. On House Bills 3rd Reading is a i Floor amendment that I would file. I would like to request that i that amendment be sent to Education Committee for a hearing next Wednesday.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) With leave? Leave is granted. Senator Fawell, for what purpose do you rise? l I SENATOR FAWELL: ' Thank you very much. We had a hearing for the Transportation Cammittee also scheduled at 10 o 'clock in Chicago, and we will have it down here in Springfield instead, and we will have it at 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day October 29y 1993 11 o'clock.

PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR DONAHUE)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DONAHUE) Any further business? Any further business to come before the Senate? Senate stands adjourned until Wednesday, Hovember 3rd, at the hour a. f 3 o'clock. Senate stands adjourned. 23 REPORT: TIFLDAY STATE OF ILLINOIS 94/11/29 PAGE:001 88TH GENERAL ASSEHBLY 1V:02:51 SENATE DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX OCTOBER 29, 1993 HB-159R SECOVD READING PâGE 58-0358 CONCURRENCE PâGE :8-0R85 CONCURREMCE PâGE 58-0868 CONCURREMCE PZGE 38-0990 CONFERENCE PZGE SB-1121 0UT 0F RECORD PAGE 38-1136 FIRST HEADING PAGE SB-1137 FIRST REZDING PZGE SB-1138 FIRST READING PZGE 5R-0898 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 5R-0899 RESOLUTION OFFERED PâGE SR-0900 RESOLUTIOV OFFERED PAGE SR-0901 ADOPTED PZGE SR-09O1 RESOLUTIOV OFFERED PZGE SR-O902 ZDOPTED PZGE SR-O902 RESOLUTION OFFERED PZGE HJR-0082 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE SJR-OIOI RESOLUTION OFFERED PâGE SJR-0102 ZDOPTED PAGE SJR-0102 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE SUBJECT MATTER SEMZTE T0 ORDER-SENATOR HERVEP PZGE 1 PRAYER-THE REVEREND DZVID BAKER PâGE 1 JOURNALS-POSTPONED PAGE 1 COHHITTEE REPORTS PZGE 1 HES3AGE FROH THE HOUSE PZGE 2 AT BASE PZGE tl SEMATE RECOMVENES PâGE 11 HESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE PâGE ?.l RESOLUTIONS CONSENT CALEMDAR-ADOPTED PâGE 5 AT EZSE FOR SPECIàL SESSIOM PAGE 13 SENATE RECONVENES PZGE 13 ADJOURPHEVT PZGE 23