Illinois Senate Floor Debate — March 7, 1995

The regular Session of the 89th General Assenbly will please come to order. Will the Members please be at their desksr and will our guests in the galleries please rise. Our prayer today will be qiven by the Pastor Daymond Talkington, First United Methodlst Church, Springfield, Illinois. Paseor Talkington.

(Prayer by Pastor Daynond Talkington) PRESIDENT PHILIP; Will you please rise for the pledge of allegiance. Senator Sieben.

(Pledge of Allegtancer led by Senator Sieben)

Reading of the Journal. Mr. Secretary. Senatcr Geo-Karis.

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, move that reading and approval of the Journals of Wednesdayy March 17 Thursday, March 27 and Friday, March ln the year 1995, be postpone, pending arrival of the printed Journals.

Senator Geo-Karis noves to postpone the reading and the approval of the Journal, pendlng the arrival of the printed transcript. There being no objection, so ordered. Messages from the House.

Message from the House by Mr. McLennand , Clerk. Mr. Prestdent - I am directed to inforn the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed bills of *he following titles, in the passage of which am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to House Bills 358, 505, 560, 567, 587, 8 and 206.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 A1l passed the House. March 3rd, 1995.

Resolutions. SECRETARY HARRY; Senate Joint Resolution 33, Constitutional Amendment, offered by Senator Jones.

Introduction of Bills.

Senate Bill 1214, offered by Senator Palmer. (Secretary reads title of bill) And Senate Bill 1215, by Senator Palmer. (Secretary reads title of bill) 1st Reading of the bills.

House Bills lst Reading.

House Bill 32, offered by Senator Butler. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 115: cffered by Senators Dudycz and Tom Dunn. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 207, by Senator O'Malley. (Secretary reads tltle of bill) House Bill 231, by Senator Carroll. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 481, by Senator Ralph Dunn. (Secretary reads title of bill) House B111 544: by Senator Mahar. (Gecre*ary reads Eitle of bill) House Bill 561, by Senator Burzynski. (Secretary reads title of bill) And House Bill 660, by Senator Cronin. 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 1 (Secretary reads title of bill) 1st Readin: of the bills. PRESIDENT PHILIP: . Senator Demuzio, for what purpose do you rise? SENATOR DEMUZIO: Thank you, Mr. President. I'd like the record to reflect that our Leader, Senator Jones, is not here tcday. He's in Washingtan with the President - his President our President, and everyone's President. PRESIDENT PHILIP: Well, let's hope he gets lucky. The -- the record will certalnly indicate. ...1 could have the attention of the Membership, and I understand that there are a lot of Members in their office. If they 'd please come up to the Floor of the Senate, we 're going to start -- proceed ahead on -- on 2nd Readings. So, be prepared to move your bill, if you so desire. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzior for what purpose do you risez sir? SENATOR DEMUZIO: Well -- well, Madam Presidentr I -- I know Senator Philip had to be very serious in his call for a11 the Members to cone to the Floor for bills on 2nd Reading . I Would like to point out, there are thirty-four bills on 2nd Readlng, and there are only three Democratic bills. So I think our Members are here. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Which are your three Members? We 're going to 2nd -- 2nd -- ' we $re qoinq to 2nd Reading of Senate bills , page 2 . WCIA requests permlssion to videotape. Hearing no objections, permission's granted . senate Bill 62 . Mr . Secretary . Senatcr Klemm? Senate Bill 68. Senator Raica? Senate Bill 68. Senator Raica. Read the bi11r Mr . Secretary . SECRETARY HARRY 1 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Senate Bill 68. j (Secretaryreadstitleofbill) 1 2nd Readkng of the btll. The Commtttee on Environment and Energy adopted Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Have there been any Floor amendmentsy Mr. Secretary?

No furkher amendments reported.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 72. Senator del Valle. Mr. Secretary, read the bill.

Senate Bill 72. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floar anendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 76. Senator Peterson. Senator Peterson? Senate Bill 80. Senator Raica. Senator Raica? Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

i Senate Bill 80. l (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 100. Senator Raica? Senate Bill 112. Eenator Woodyard? Senator Woodyard, 112? Senate Bill 122. Senator Klemm? Senate Bill 133. Senator Peterson? Senate Bill 134. SenaEor Peterson. Eenate Bill 168. Senator Syverson? Read the billp Mr. secretary.

Senate Bill 168. (Secretary reads title of bill) 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Leglslative Day March 1995 2nd Readin: of the bill. No conmittee or Floor amendnents.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 185. Senator Watson? Senate Bill 231. Senator Mahar. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Bill 231. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 244. Senator Lauzen? 244? Mr. Secretary, read the bill.

Senate Bill 244. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Revenue adopted Anendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Have there been any Floor anendments that have been approved for conslderation?

No further amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Reading. Senate Bill 264. There 's a fiscal note çequested on Senate Bill 264. So we'll have to go on to Senator Fawell, did you wish to be heard? Senate Bill 274. Will you please read *he bill, Mr. Secre*ary.

Senate Bill 274. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Executive adopEed Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Have there been any Floor amendments that have been approved for consideration?

No furtber amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senator Denuzio, for What purpose do you rise? Could we have your attention . Senator Demuzio wishes the Floor. Senator Demuzio.

... a1so that Senator Viverito and Senatcr Farley are not here also because, think, of the -- due to the to the weather. And Was going to yield to Senator O'Daniel. just saw him a ninute ago, but I don't know where he went. Senator O 'Daniel, ycu want to make an announcement about Senator Hall?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator -- Senator O 'Daniel.

Thank you...

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O 'Danlel.

Thank you, Madam Presldent, Members of the Senate. I talked With Senator Hall's son and his daughter-in-law last night - - last evening about 10 o 'clock, and Kenny is in real critical condition. He 's got double pneumonia . His heart is -- is Neak, and he's got some other serious complications that they didn't much want to dkscuss. But his wife is just a little bit better, but 1111 assure you that he nêeds a11 of our prayers. Andr you know, he's a super individual and I'm sure We 'll al1 be prayin: for hlm and trylng to help h1m through this. But he's in very critical condition.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Thank you, Senator O 'Daniel. We certainly wish Senator Hall well. Senate 3il1 282. Senator DeAngelis? Read the billy Mr. Secretary.

Senate Bi11 282. (Secretary rgads tttle of bël1) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 285. Senator Thomas Dunn? Senate Bill 288. Senator O 'Daniel? Senate Bill 296. Senator Parker? Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Bill 296. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Revenue adcpted Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Is there -- has there been any rloor amendments that have been approved for consideration?

No further amendments reported, Madam Presldent.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Readlng. Senate Bill 363. Senator Syverson? There 's a fiscal -- there's a fiscal note on thts. Pass Senate Blll 364. Senator Xarpiel? 364. Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill -- Senate Bi1l 364. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Have there been any Floor amendments that have been approved for consideration? 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 I I

No Floor amendments have been reportedz Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bi1l 365. Senator Sieben? Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bi11 365. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments reported.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading . Senate Bill 383 . Genator Parker? Read the bill# Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 383 . (Secrgtary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No commlttee or Floor amendments reported .

PRESIDING OFPICER : (SZNATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 387. Senator DeAngelis? Madam Secretaryz read the bill.

Senate Bl11 387 . (Secretary reads tltle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on State Government Operations reports -- adopted Commit*ee M endment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any Floor amendments that have been approved for consideratlon?

No Floor amendments reported: Madam President.

PRESIDING OPFICER : (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAZ ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 I 3rd Reading. Senate Bi11 388. Senator DeAngells? Madam 1 I Secretary.

Senate Bill 388. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 2nd Reading of the btll. No committee or Floor amendments reported.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 389. Senator DeAngelis? Madam Secretary, would you please read the bill.

Senate Bill 389. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No commlttee or Floor amendments reported.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 395. Senator DeAngelis? Madam Secretary , read the bil1. ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER 1 Senate 3il1 396. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 2nd Reading of the bi11. No conlmittee or Floor amendments reported .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Readinq. Senate Bil1 432. Senator DeAngelis? Senator DeAngelis. Senat.e Blll 4327 Genate Bkll 46l. Senator Rarpiel? Read the b kll # Madam Secretary . ACTIKG SECRETARY HAWKERt Senate Bi11 46l . (Secretary reads Eitle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Colllmittee on Environment and Energy adopted Committee M endment No . l. 9  STATE OP ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Are there any Floor amendnents to this bill?

No Floor amendments reported, Madam President. .

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 465. Senator Maitland? 465. W1l1 you read the billr Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 465. (Secretary reads tiEle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments reported .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 472. Senator Peterson? RequesE i permission by WCIA to televise the proceedings. Hearing no objections, permission granted. Senate -- golng back to some of the bills on 2nd Reading. Senate Bill 285. Senator Thomas Dunn. Madam Secretary, will you read the bill.

Senate Bill 285. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Flcor amendments reported .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading . Senator Severns, for What purpose do you rise? Senator Severns.

Thank youg Madam President. I would like to move to table Senate Bill 702.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) SenaEor Severns moves that fenate Bill 702 be tabled. All those in favor: say Aye. A11 opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 i the bill is tabled. Thank ycu. We're going to proceed to 3rd Reading on page 4. We ask a11 of you to come and join us for the consideration of the bills on 3rd Readlng. If we can have your attention. Page 4 of your Calendar, Senate Bills 3rd Reading. . Senate Bill 8. Senator Watson? Senator Watson, Senate Bill 8? Take it out of the record. Senate Bll1 17. Senator Cronin? Out of the record. Senate Bill 20. Senator Weaver? Out of the record. Senate Bill 2l. Senator Butler? Out of the record . Senator -- Senate 3ill 4l. Senator Woodyard? Madam Secretaryy read the bill.

Senate Bill 41. (SecreEary reads title of bll1) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. I Was going to start off callin: this a kind of one of those merely bills, because it merely prohibits the issuance of General Assembly schclarships after June lst of 1996. But I think you al1 realize in this Chamber thts is not just a merely btll. The legislation that created the General Assembly scholarship was passed in 1905. So if this legislation is to pass, certainly you would be repealing a law that's been on the books for a long time. I first lntroduced thls legislation about Ehree years ago and had absolutely no support. I hope I have a lot more this norning Ehan what I had three years agor but it just seems to me that We should not, as Senators or House Members: be in the business of awardlng scholarships with no criteria Whatsoever. The cost of these tuition Waivers has now risen to 4.2 million dollars a year. That means the public universities in this State must actually just eat 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day Mareh 7, 1995 the cost of -- of providing an education to those students. And in essence what happens is that that drives up the tuiticn cost I for other students Whose parents or *he student themselves must i P8y for that tultlon. HoW can we even take a look at other I tuition waivers, which amount to over a hundred and seven million dollarsayearinhighereducation,if we cannot take it upon j ourselves to eliminate this particular waiver ourselves? That's 1 what the bill does. It's very simple and straightforward. There is no money. There is no appropriatlon changing hands, or anything else. We just slmply are saying that we should not, as legislators, be ln the business of awarding scholarships. And with khak, Madam President, I would be glad to answer any questlons. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I Senator Lauzen.

Thank you: Madam Presldent. Ijust--IWould.justrisein 1 supportofthisbill. Somepeoplehavesaidthatit 's a necessary 1 thing that we do this in the Legislature, but We have the Illinois State organizaticn that awards the scholarships. Some people say that 4.2 million dollars in a thirty-three-billion-dollar budget : is chickgn feed, but where I come from that's a 1ot of noney. It's -- 4.2nilliondollarsisthecosttoeducateapproxlmately 1 eight hundred and forty secondary school students in the State of Illinois. It represents the sacrifice that forty-two hundred average Illinois families contribute in income taxes a year, and it represents about a hundred times What the taxpayers of Illinois 7ay PaCh of us lnEhlsleglslativeBody. Iwouldencouragemy 1 I fellow colleagues to support Senator Woodyard 's proposaly and vote Aye.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i Senator dê1 Valle. I I 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you: Madam President. I voted against this bill committee for several reasons, bu* one of the reasons was tbat we have, in the State of Illinois, over a hundred and ten .mtllion dollars ' worth of Waivers that are granted. Those waivers go to faculty; they go to foreign students; they go to graduate students. We're not dolng an analysis of that amount. Over a hundred million dollars in waivers are not being questloned. If there's a problem with waivers, then let's look at a11 the waivers, and let's do it ln a careful manner and see whether or not these waivers are beneflcial. happen to think that many of then are. I happen to think that the legislative scholarship ls impcrtant. It is the only scholarship, the only walver, thaE is evenly dlstrlbuted throughout the entire State of Illinois. Each legislative dlstrlct has the same nunber of scholarships. And whlle: admittedly, there have been some mistakes in the pastr those have been few and far in between. And what we should be doing ls lookin: at how we can tighten things up, tightening thlngs up, lncluding disclosure requirements, so that we can make sure that the majority of *he legislators - *he vast majorlty of the legislators who act responsibly managlng these scholarships are not penalized because of the mistakes that one or tWo individuals have made over the decades. would urge a No vote on this bill. know it's a pcpular bill and has become so because of some of the things that have happened recently, but let's not forget that many lndividuals my dlsErict and okher districts who Would have been locked out of medlcal schooly who would have been locked out of law school and I venture to say that the legislative scholarship is probably responsible for more minorities, more Hispanics, more African-Americans going into 1aw school and medical school than any other scholarship program the state of Illinois. And these are mostly individuals from 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislatlve Day March 1995 families who otherwise could not afford 1aw school or medical school. So I would hope tba: even thouqh politically it might be a good vote for youe that you 'd seriously thlnk about this before you vote against it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Thank you. Senator O'Danlel. Senator O 'Daniel.

Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. T'm goin: to vote for this legislation. You know, anytime you give one scholarship, youdve made a hundred people mad, but Ehink we should probably have -- have a bill to take 4.2 million dollar out of higher education 's budget. Because: you kncw, know those people when they -- when they put their budget together, they 're - - theydre smart enough that it -- it's not going to cost them anything. And, you knowr We read al1 the time that costin: them 4.2 million dollars, and -- and I really think that's -- that's not the case. I thënk they put their budget up there. But, you know , I'n going to vote for this thing because, as say, you know, we -- especially down in rural areasr We have a -- just a unbelievable nunber of applications and -- and when we give one or two, then we've qot the others that aren 't happy with us. But do think We should do somethlng about higher education's budget. Thank you .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobsr from Rock Island.

Thank you, Madam President, Ladies and GenElemen of the Senate. Senator O 'Daniel basically stole my remarksy but 1et me ask it in a different way. Would the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield. 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

Senator, what will happen to these scholarships? If We're not going to be giving them out, as Senator O 'Daniel has already alluded to, are these scholarships then not goln: to be present, or are Ne just changing the nethod, and who may be the person tbat is issuing these scholarships?

PRESIDIHG OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Senator Jacobs, guess the only Nay I can answer that is, there is no appropriation, as Senator O 'Daniel mentioned, to take away or to add to the higher education budqet. It would simply mean that a 1ot of those students who have applied or would be applying ln the future for a General Assembly schalarship Would eertalnly need to apply through the Student Financial Aids <sicl lAssistance) Conmlssion.

PRESIDIXG OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs.

So the answer, Senator: is as Senatcr O'Daniel has indicated. Wefre not really talking about any dollars here. We 're talking about who is goin: to be the one giving out the scholarships. Let me tell you my concern. The one thing that think is so great about the legislatlve scholarships, it ensures that at least eight people from my district will be able to attend college. Once ycu take this aNay fram us, then you are telling my dis*rict Ehat tbey have to take their chancesy and they may not :et anyone from our district that Will get one of these scholarships. think we should take a careful look at this. I thknk that this truly has become a media bill, and it's one that I hope We don't listen to the medla. I get tired of listening to the media telling us how We should vote. Wedre elected to vote cur convictions. have  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Leqislative Day March 1995 nct had one person from my district tell me, ''Oh, you 've got to get rld of those horrlble things.'' I share Senator O'Daniel's concerns that when we give them, sometimes we make more enemles than with them we make friends, but assure you that one thing that I feel very strongly on is that eight young people from my district now can be assured that they will be able to attend college, and they may not have that right ifr in fact, this bikl PaSSeS.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Thank you. Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. I'd like to tell you a couple of experiences that -- that I've had with these legislative scholarships over the past few years. I had a -- a fanily that came to me and -- and asked for one of these scholarships for one of their daughters. They had two boys and two girls, and you looked at the gentlenan's income tax form , which I always ask always ask how much money do the parents make you Would have thought this man would have absolutely no problems whatsoever in sending his tNo daughters to college. And frankly, thatis wbat the scholarship assembly thought toc, 'cause he made over fifty thousand dollars. What dtdn't come out was that he had two young boys - two -- two boys. One Was twenty-four; one was twenty-six. They were his sons. Legally he Was not responsible fo: them, 'cause they were adults. They b0th had muscular dystrophy. They required tweney-four-hours-a-day nursing care and, frankly, were candidates for a nursing home. They both required respirators. And frankly, the State could have been charged with their care. But this was a father and mother who cared a great deal about these children, these young boys, who were frankly dying by inches, and so they had them at home, and they patd for the full-kime nursing care. But as a result of that, he did not have 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislattve Day March 1995 enough money to send his daughter to collegey and she lndeed did ge* one of *he scbolarshlps. have a committee, and think most of us do, that look at these scholarship applications. A 1ot of my scholarships go to sons and daughters of errant parents, particularly fathers, who have not been willing Eo pay child support. And even though, quite often, it's the court order that they are supposed to help them with their college, they do not. This is the only chance they have to go to college. You are right, Senator O 'Daniel, When you say We make a 1ot of enemies, but you know what's right is right, and seems to me that although this may be something that the media may crlticize us for, my personal feeling is, welve done a 1ot of good with these, and I'm not sure why in the world we should be giving them up. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Thomas Dunn.

SENATOR DUNN: Thank your Madam President. Question for the sponsor, hedll yield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he Will yield.

SENATOR DUNN: Senator Woodyard, have a tuition and fee waiver document from the universities, and under that document, they glve 3.9 -- excuse me, million dollars, almost million dollars, for out-of-state students. My questlon to you (s: Why are they betker at picking deserving people than my committee Ehat sends Illinois students to Illinois universities?

PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Well, I assume, Senatory you're kalking about out-of-state 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 tuition wakvers by the Unlversity of Illinois. And I think that goes back to Senator O'Daniel's question. I guess my phllosophy yes, I would like to personally exanine and I think a 1ot of other people on this Floor would llke .to examine quite a number of other tuition waivers. quite frankly, don 't understand why some of the schools in our State issue as many foreign student waivers as we do. But we do that. It Was ny personal opinion that we needed to address our own tuition waivers before we even take a look at other tuition Waivers. You know, when you -- when you waive a hundred and seven million dollars and the actual increase in higher education's budget last year Was elghty nillion, you can see what that does to tuktion increases to everyone else.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Thomas Dunn.

Well, Senator Woodyard, you must have an honorary law degree, because you answered a question that didn't ask. My question didn't relate to Senator Jacobs' or to Senator O 'Daniel's questlon. My question relates to Why is their committee better than my committee at determining who's a deserving student.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Senatory don't know that I can answer that. I can only tell you in my own area what happens. My home county, Indiana State University issues an out-of-state tuition walver to students in my hone county. The county north of me has no tuitlon walver. ThaEfs a -- I guess, a -- a decision made by the governing board of those particular universities as to what they offer for out-of-staEe tuition waivers.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 18  STATE OF ILLINOLS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION EENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank you. To the bill: On this list there is another startling figure and that is that unidentified but listed as Hother'' is double what's givgn in our StaEe scholarships to the tune of eight million dollars. Alsoy in terms of graduate assistance, there is sixty-six million dollars, or slxty-slx percent of this hundred-and-seven-million-dollar budget, that ls given. Ycu know, we don't hear anything about those. And and further, you know: the argument Was used in gun control by certain people that when we talk about handguns, they only comprise three or four percent of the problem, so why are we banning, you know, three or four percent of the problem and not dealing with ninety-seven percent of the problem. Well the same thëng could be said Here. Here we are dealing with less than four percent of the budget and it's a11 of a sudden become the problemr and the other ninety-six percent of the budget abuse - alleged abuse -- is totally ignored. Senator Jacobs is entirely right. This will merely substitute someone else deciding who spends this money cther than ourselves. It won't save a dime.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bowles.

Thank you, Madam President. Would the sponsor of the bill please yield for a questicn?

PREGIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will, madam.

Senator Woodyardy just as a matter of information, I think that one of the paramount problems that I have noticed articulated in the newspapers is the fact that the names of some of these students who receive these scholarships had been published, 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legtslative Day March 7, 1995 whereas in other instancesy they had notr and that the federal Privacy Act mandates that these names not be published unless by subpoena. Is that the situation With your bill?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Madam President. It is my understanding you're you are correct. I know in our own casey we started a year or two ago putting kind of a waiver on our application form that we mailed to students who had requested an application in which they would authorlze us to release their names. Now one of ny State Representatives Who also uses thls kind of application had two applications come back that were not where the waiver was not signed on release of name. His ccmmittee determined that they would not award to the person who wculd not allow their name to be released.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bowles.

Just as a comment: I'm in a district -- in my district is a unëversity that ls adjacent to the State of Missouri, and we have many, many students who come across fron Missouri, set up temporary residence, register to vote, and are thus able to get resident's tuition conslderation. And that ls a very, very expensive situation wherever you have out-of-staters coming in and -- and qualifying. Thank yau.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hendon.

Thank -- thank you very much, Madam President. just Wanted to comment to the bill: that if -- if there is some Members of the General Assembly abusing this opportunity for young people, 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 then those Members should be punished. But to punish the children who -- who are in dire need of khese scholarshlps, I really don't understand that. don't understand that at all. If there ace abuses, punish the abusers. Senator Woodyard, you should have somethlng in here that -- that sanctions and punishes the abusers, and would support that. But in my comnunity, there are youn: people who are golng to end up with no other way to go to college but by my committee selecting them for these scholarships. And if they don't get the scholarships, then we're going to be looking at them living a negative life. And uedre trying to change negative llfestyles with welfare refcrm and a1l that. So Why take away opportuniEy? Lastly, it -- it just blows my mlnd that on the federal level, we'll take care of foreign countries. We have no problem with that. We'1l send millions and millions and billions of dollars to forelgn countries, but we don 't take care of America and Americans. And here We're going to take care and allow foreigners to go to college, wedre going to allow out-of-staters to go to college, but yet ve're going to deny Illinois students the opportunity to go to college because of some headllne-grabbing, ghost-payroller crap going on in the City of Chicago. I think it's wrong. think we should vote No on this and come up with a bill that will punish those who would abuse this privilege or sell these scholarships, as they have done in the past in my district. I know lt -- it toak place. Go after them. Send them to the penitentiary, but don't deny Illinois students the opportunity to go to school. Thank you, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) SenaEor Margaret SmiEh.

Thank you, Madam President and Members and friends of the General Assembly. I stand in opposition of this bill. l*'s a 21 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 i marvelous thing that we who are legislators here in the State of I Illinois can go back to our dlstricts and offer hope tc young people who bave never had a chance. In my particular district, I have young people - and I can go down the line - they are now doctors, they are nurses, they are dentists, and there 's teachers that have come under the scholarship . There 's one thlng that I make sure: that they give their talents back to the State of Illinois. You give incentive to young people to go to school and strive to do good in their primary age -- grades in order that they ean work to get a scholarship. And I think that we are doin: a disservice and especially in my particular districk where we have a lot of underprivileged young people who are desirous to become citlzens, and better citizens, here in the State of Illinois. If we take this agay from them , We offer no incentive whatsoever on a good side of life to say that you can make it if youdre wilking to make the sacrifice. You may live in districts where you don 't need it, but I live in a district and serve a district that are eternally grateful for the opportunityr and they give back their services in any way that they possibly can to serve you politically and -- and -- and make good grades. I -- I only give them on -- on a yearly basis so that they will get good grades. And I can qo down the line and tell you that it pays to I save these -- scholarships. If people are abusin: the -- the privilege, take it away from them, but those who are really dolng a servlce in their community by rendering these scholarships to Ehese young people, to 1et Ehem know that there is a better side of life and that the State of Illinois cares about them, I say, please, do not bother this. Let this bill remain as lE is and continue to give scholarships to young people Who are desirous of ! i*. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I Thank you. Senator Butler. 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

Thank you, Madam President. Ladles and Gentlemen, I kind of resent this bill because it paints the giving of scholarships on our part as something evil, sonethin: politîcal, something kind of back-alley. Well, I can tell you in -- in the -- in the people I've talked to here and my own instance, there's a 1ot of thought and a lot of -- lot of concern and a 1ot of empathy given before we will pass out these these scholarshlps. For fcr example, my scholarships are given only upon the advice of the president of the Oakton Community College, the presldent of Harper Junior College, a gentleman from the University of Illinois, and a local businessman. They make the recommendations and that's the basis on which they are chosen. The only thing I ask of them is, first, look at the scholarship, make sure the -- the -- the student is deserving in the sense of having some aptitude, and, seccndly, to means test it, and I think that's the most lmportant thing. I've bad scholarships gtven to a gentleman whose incone was declining because he was dying of cancer. He had a child who totally deserved to go to college. And that -- that, to me, Was a heartbreaking oecurrence that I felt -- in good consctence, could award a scholarship. Second thing about it if you -- if you think about it, thls is the only opportunity that the middle class has to get a scholarship. Where else can someone on the -- middle class get a scholarship, depending on their own -- on their own situation? So if we knock this out, there ls no recourse for for a middle-ctass person or -- earnkng a modest kncome. You know, we dre we're not all millionaires in al1 of our communities, and here's an opportunlty Eo give somebody something who clearly deserves it. I think thks is kind of an elitist thought; Ehat -- that, you knowy if you can't afford then you don't go to college. Ladtes and Gentlemen, I'm going to vote No With a very, very, very clear consckence . 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 1

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Palmer.

Thank you, Madan President and Members of the Body. I'd like to ask the sponsor a question.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he W111 yield.

Senator Woodyard, ln fact, two questions. I just want to ask these for the sake of clarification. Students who recelve our scholarships are qualified and accepted at Illinois universities. Is that correct? And secondly, these scholarships are for tuition only?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

In answer to your firsk question, yes, they must be accepted to one of the four-year public unlversities. Certalnly cannot be awarded to a student at a community college, private school or out-of-state. I'm not certain. I kncw it does cover full tuition and it's a full yearly tultlon, fall-summer -- fall-spring-summer. I'm not absolutely certain that -- that it may -- may not cover some fees. Just tuition.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Palmer.

Yes. Thank your again, Madam President. To the bill: I am very strongly opposed to this byll. I came to this Body in June of '91, at the tail end of a Session, and had a 1ot to put into place in order to be a fully functioning legislator in a very shor: time. And one of Ehe thinqs I learned is that in our office we Were privileged to be able to give some assistance to people in I 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 our districts by helping them get scholarships. I was very proud of that privilege. come out of a university. I have spent time on scholarship committees in the universities and in other bodies. And so, kn puttlng that Eogetherz I thought very carefully about how to do this. put together a committee of academics: of community people, of others, and I used many of the measures that I had found helpful over many, many years, of my own service and of my experiences in universtties. And I'm very proud of the fact that this committee has chosen people over the years who have contributed now ko our district. I'm proud of the first scholarship that that committee -- and believe me, don't even go to the meetings. These are people Who make the decisions in the name of the district and not in my name. The first man Who received a scholarship had one year to go at a university. He had a famlly to take care of, and he cculd no* afford the last year of that university educatlon. He finishedr and he is now a teacher. I won't go through a1l these stortes of the various people Who have received these. What I will say to you is this: think you ought to take a look at the other waivers that are given and the amount of money that is spent before you agree to taking away this one means by which we have Eo give people in our communities. Foreign students, for example, recelve two million plus; graduate assistants, sixty-six mlllion; out-of-state students, million. I think this ls a mistake to do it this way. As others have said, if people are abusin: the privilege, then let's focus on that, but let's nok Eake thls away.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Thank you. Senator Maitland.

Thank you very much, Madam President and Members of the Senate. There are many reasons for supporting this bill and there are many reasons for opposing this bill. But I would suggest to 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSAMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 i those of you who have spoken against Senate Bill 4l, make sure you understand why you are appostng it. You're not denytng any needy student access to any university in this State. Because, you seer before we ever consider any of these scholarship applications, they have to have been accepted at a university. So thab's the first criteria. Theydre already accepted. If they canno: get a legislative scholarship, their simply going to move into the MAP system . That's where they 're going to get their -- that's where their going to get their scholarship. So We are not denying anyone anything . Agaln, thpre are good points to this bill and bad points to this bill. I plan to support it. But for goodness sakes, oppcse it for the right reason. You're not denying access to anybody. For the record. Thank you, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cullerton.

Well, would the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will.

Senator Woodyard, does the 1aw require that we give out these scholarships - tuition waivers? Does Lhe laW requlre it?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woody#rd.

No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cullerton.

Do you give out al1 of your scholarships? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I Senator Woodyard. 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cullerton.

Madam President, I Would suggest to the people Who ére thinking about voting No on this billy that instead they -- they vote Yes and send out a press release saytng that they are no longer going to award any scholarships. I'm sorryr vote vote No on the bill and then decide that you 're going to not give out your scholarships. Do a big press release and just tell the people that you save the scholarshlps to last year that they can go under the MAP program and -- and just say that you're not going to do it. And you -- and you can Ealk about how much money you're going to save, because in the -- in the meantlmer you 're letting people -- those of us who have already spoken against this, you're denylng us the right to give out these scholarships. Now, have read the the news stories about this, and I absolutely agree with Senator Butler. I resent the implication that this is a perk for us like this is money in our pocket, like -- that people are going to give us money back in campakgn contributions because we give them a scholarship . It's absurd. Or they're going to work precincts for us ln Chicago because we give them scholarships. I don't do that. don 't think anybody does that. The storles that people talked about are -- are true. don't know r Senator Maitland, about how thls -- this works. I can just tell you thak people came to me and said, ''I'm accepted in the university. I can't get a scholarshlp. I can 't go to school.'' Some people have committees. I chose, in ny case? to make the dectsion myself. 1 have no problem with that. Other people have committees do it. And if you think that ycu're naking more people upset, you're making enemies by turning people down, don't give out the  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 i scholarships and you don't make anybody mad, presumably. You know, we conplain about the lack of political courage, and if -- i if it's true that you need political courage to vote against this . bill, then this is the time to show it. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dillard. SENATOR DILLARD: Thank you, Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is a bill that, quite frankly, even up until about ten minutes ago, I didn't know how I was going to vcte. But when I flrst saw it appear on the Calendar, I went back and d1d a little research. And like many of us, I have a committee of educators that chooses my scholarship recipients; I don't choose them. And I believe that's the proper way to do it, but we each have our own system. But I d1d a little research, and I went back and I read the applicants who Were chosen by my committee for what I believe is actually an honor, to be a General Assembly scholarship recipient. And I was just looking at some of the pros ln these essays. ''I'm the youngest of twelve children. I have a 4.0 straight A grade point average at Illinois State University. My family, due to my stepfather's self-employment and illness, has high medical expensesy and in fact, last year over one-half of ny fanily 's income went to pay for ny father's medical bills.'' A real nice closing on one of ny award-winning recipients: ''Mr. Dillard, I plan on working in this community, and if you give me this scholarship, Idm going to llve here, I'm going to work here and give this scholarship back to this conmunity.'' Here's another one: nI'm currently taking the maximum S*afford loan available - eighty-five hundred dollars a year, and my mother works an extra job so that I can go to school, so she can pay my living expenses. I went to ISU. I had straight A 's at ISU. Now I Want to be a doctor and I want to practice medicine in -- in the State of 28 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislatlve Day March 7, 1995 Illtnois. I have twenty thousand in dollars in debt now and Will seek an extra forty thousand ln aid over the next two years.'' And just one more: Eric's family has been hit with tremendously high medical bills during the past few years: a gcod portion of which have not been covered by insurance. His father had open-heart surgery. His mother has diabetes. I mean, I don't view these as perks. In fact, I9m pretty proud of the people that my committee chose. But I will tell you this: If this bill passes, I Will be the first person to offer an amendment to the approprlations of higher educatian to cuE their approprëation by over three mklkion dollarsz and we'll use that noney somewhere else: if the universities in this State don't like to have these exceptional children go to thelr institutions. I can think of many places to pu* it, lncluding the fund that funds the retired teachers' health care system in the State of Illinois. But I do believe this ls really revenue-neutral. I thlnk, as Senator Maitland pointed out, nobody 's being denied access to education, that they will find scholarships elsewhere. So I think this is revenue-neutral. But I do believe that this is ncE a perk. And just to close, one thing that I did over the weekend as Well When I went back home, I called one of these kids, and I've never met these children. I sent them a nice note saylng, ''You 're selected. Do we11.'' But I called one of them up. And be sald, nHeyr Senator, 1et me tell you, I really appreciate this.'' And he said, ''And I want to tell you somethin: else. Because I feel that I'm not an anonymous number Ehrough *he MoneEary Award Program of the Sta*e of Illinoisz or many ways that students get able assistance in the State of Illinois, I feel an extra burden, and I study a little harder. I go to classes more often. Party a little lessy quite frankly, because I know thaE thls scholarship came from the General Assembly of the State of Illinois and I feel an extra burden to do Well because you gave me this scholarshtp.'' So, I 29  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 know Ehis is a poliEically popular bill. I dldn't know how I was going to vote about ten minutes ago, but I Nen: and did a little researchr and feel very comfortable, after today's debate, talkinq to one of Ehese students and readlng the essays of the eight that were chosen by a committee of educators, that I believe this is bad legislation and We should vote No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Trotter. Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Woodyard, to close.

Thank you, Madam President and Membprs of *he Senate. In closingr would like to mention to your did not introduce this - - this bill with any malice, nor in any intent to embarrass anyone. And I think each and every one of you, I have never asked one of you to vote for or against this particular bill. just feel personally that am not qualified to make that kind of decision out of a hundred and thirty-five applicants. just don't thlnk we ought to be ln -- in the business of awarding scholarships. A lot of reference has been made about perks. I have never mentioned that I thought that this Was a perk; that has been something that has been raised in the media. I just feel it's time that we should eliminate this, and that time is now. And certainly encourage your favcrable consideration on Senate Bill 41.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The questlon is, shall Senate B111 41 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The votin: is open. Havg a1l votgd Nho wished? Have a11 voted Who wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Mr. Secretaryy take the roll. On that question, there are 19 votin: Aye, 33 voting Nayy none voting Present. And this bill, having fakled Eo receive the constitutional majority, is hereby declared lost. Senate Bill 42. 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Mr. Woodyard? Senator Woodyard. Madam Secretary, please read the bill.

Senate Bill 42. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of *he bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. I think you will flnd that this bill is a 1ot less controversial than the last one. The genesis of this actually started with a letter that we received from a constituent quite some time ago - several months ago, to be -- to be truthful - in Which this was a disabled veteran that Nanted to be able to buy either the Purple Heart or the Korean War plate, and it was found that even though thls particular veteran qualified for the circuit breaker, Nhich means that the base -- license plate fee of forty-eight dollars, on a circuit breaker is, reduced to half, if he bought a Korean or a Purple Heart veteran plate, he would have to pay the full forty-eight-dollar base price plus the additional fee. And what this bill does is on a -- on a Purple Heart or a Korean plate, to allow the base fee to be reduced to a person on circult breaker to twenty-four dollars. That's What the bill daes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further dlscussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Woodyardr to close. The question is, shall Senate Bill 42 pass. Those ln favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, voEe Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who Wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have al1 voted who wished? Madam Secretary, take the roll. On that question, there are 52 Yeas, none votlng No, none voting Present. And this bill: havin: received the 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bl1l Senator Woodyard. Take it out of the record. Senator -- Senate Bill 44. Senator Woodyard. Madan Secretary, will you please read Senate Bill 44.

Senate Bill 44. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the blll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard .

Wellr thank youy Madam President, Members of the Senate. Here's another bill that I think many of you have read about that's maybe created some hilarity not to the people that own this partlcular breed of animal. I was approached last fall by a young couple in Danville, Illinois, to sponsor legislation that wl11 allow this couple to keep a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig as a pet, and that's what thls bill does. I've found out since then that there are quite a number of -- of these animals Within the State. found out that -- thlnqs about pot-bellied pigs that never knew and a 1ot of things I didn't even want to know about a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig. They're even being used as druq-sniffers now and evidently do a better job at that khan -- than even some of the dogs *hat are used by the police forces. So that's basically What the bill does and be happy to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) Further discussion? Senator Hawkinson. SENATOR HA%KINSON : Thank you, Madam President. Without making a big deal out of this bill, think it's maybe appropriate that this is called on Municipal League Dayy because what this is# is we 're telling every 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 single city council member in every city -- city and village aeross this State how they have to vate on this issue. And I -- as told the proponents of this b11l in conmikkee, while if I were sitting on a city council, might be inclined to vote with them, I'm not. And youdre asking me to make a judgment for every city council member in every city and every village in this State. And it's a State mandate. It's takinq away their local control, and I think the people back home know best, and that's why I'm voting No.

PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR GEO-EARIS) Further discussion? Senator Severns.

Thank you, Madam President. Could you please advise us hcW many votes are needed for passage for this ridiculous bill?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Madam Severns, thirty votes, because it doesn't come under that provision on the home rule situation of the Constitution. Senator Parker. SENATOR PAREERI Thank youy Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. With a11 due respect to the sponsor of the bill, rise in opposition to this bill. One of the -- the areas that is affected is Glenview, which is my district. Glenview Was one of the areas, actually, that promulgated part of this bill. In that village, there were people that do have a pot-bellied pig. They came to the Vlllage of Glenvlew and asked them Eo change their local ordinance. After there was testimony in favor of and against the pot-bellied pig, Glenvieu decided noE to allow them . That has gone to court. Glenview did win that court, that they uere allowed not to have the pot-bellied pigs. That has been appealed and now if it is -- it's in appeal in court right now . Therefs a lot of good reasons to have *he pigs. The peoplg Would 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 like to have -- a 1ot of people Who are allergic to other animals. And of course, there's the other side. They are newer animals in this country, about nine years. ïou cannot guarantee the mutation. There are some that have grown from eighty pounds -- in Highland Park there is an ordinance Where you can only have the pot-bellied pigs if they lre under eiqhty pounds; however, one entered Highland Park over eighty pounds. Ncw 1t is Ewo hundred and ftfty pounds: and they cannot ge* out of Highland Park because they allowed it in over eighty pounds. They also -- we've heard of them having pseudorabies, which can hurt dogs. If a pig bites a dcg that has the pseudorabies, the dog cannot be vaecinated against it and will ultimately die. So there are two sides to this story. But ultimately the bottom line is that this shouldn't be our purview in the State Senate to decide Whether home rule communities or local municipalities should have these animals or allow them . This really should be left up to the local home rule comnunities. And by thisy we would be usurping their -- their power and the home rule community authority. So I Would ask you please to vote No, as in my distrtct in Glenviek. They are still in court on this, and this would not allow them to have the opportunity of goin: to court and making their oWn local decision. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Welch.

Yes. This bill says to the cities, baslcallyy ''We don't trust you. Springfield knows best.'' And it's ironic that that's what this bill sayse because for the last six Weeks since ke've been down here: we've been told that the local governments know best. We have to trust these local governmenks. They're closer to the people. They knoW What the prcblems are, and we shouldn't be telling them wha: to do. Of course, that was changed last Friday 34  STATE OP ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 When We had the tort reform bill, in which the argument was, 'Wel1, the local people Eold us that Ne should not trust juries'', which are local people. So this Week a new week and we're back to the argument, we -- we cannot trust the locals. Soz philosophically, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. We're now back to our ''Springfield-knows-best'' mentality. But I think it's -- it's ironic that this bill just came up after the eloquent speech by Senator Dillard saylng how all of us in the General Assembly as Senator Dillard said: Those of us in the General Assembly are responsible. We can form committees Eo hand cut these scholarships. We resent being treated as if we dre being frivolous, that we don'k hand oue these scholarships properly. And that carried today. It's one of the few times, I think, I've seen an argunent on the Floor of the Senate change votes, and I commend Senator Dillard for that. But to follow that up with Ehis bill is a travesty. This is absolutely ridiculous. We should not be handling this type of business here. Just -- it's -- it's absolutely absurd. It does demean the Legislature. And you can bet in tomorrow 's newspaper, the two stories that are goin: to be the headlines arey number one: Legislature says we're golng to continue to handle -- hand out scholarships; number two ) Pot-bellied pigs are noW on the fast track: and we've got to pass that and send to the Governor. I think this demeans a11 of us.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? SenaEor Jacobs.

Thank you, Madam Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. heard the debate on -- on this issue in -- in the Ag Committee. think the arguments made by the individuals were valid, and i*'s awful easy to stand up and make light of -- of what Wedre talking about here. Senator Welch indicated that last week was ''local government knows besel' and that's being changed. But there's  STATE OF TLLTNOTS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 another overriding factor here, and that is the factor of whether wedre going to intrude upon people 's individual rights. And I think that supersedes all the other discussions We have. These people have these animals. They're considered to be good pets, and this is a -- a -- really a question about whether We are going to tell people whether they can have a pet that is nonviolent and Whether they can have that pet or whether they can't. And I think thls is a good bill. And as for the reference for following the other bill, it just happens to come that way. I urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator O 'Daniel.

Thank you, Madam President. A question for the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he would yield,

T -- here a few years back, I bought a heard of Arkansas razorbacks. When I got then fat, they looked about like a possum. You think these -- you thlnk these Vietnamese pot-bellied pigs might be a spin-off from those Arkansas razorbacks?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

I really don't know. I -- I have been told though that they have no relaEion to the somersaulting pigeons that we had here a year ago.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O 'Daniel. Any further discusslon? Hearing none, Senator Woodyard, to close.

Well, thank you, Madam President. don't kncw whether it's a sign of the times or whether any of these are getting over to the 36  f''' STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 other side of the aisle, but for some reason or other, people are passing around pork rinds cver here. This may seem rather frivolous to several people, but it certainly is no* to the owners of these pets. They love them, as you would love, and -- and have family and neighbors that love, dogs and cats and birds. And it just seemed to ne that I wanted to give these people Who desire those as pets to have that opportunity. And I would urge your support on Senate Bill 44.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall Senate Bill 44 pass. Those ln favor, vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voEing is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Madan -- Madam Secretary: take the record. On that questionr there are 15 Yeas, 35 Noes, 2 Present. And this billp having failed to receive the required constltutional majority: is thereby deemed lost. Senator Mahar. Senate Bill 48. Senate Bill 48. Sena*or Mahar? Take 1t ou* of *he record. Sena*e Bl11 50. Senator Maitland? Take it out of the record. Senator -- 52, Senator Watson? Senator Watson? Out of the record. Senate Bill 54. Senator Woodyardr. Madam Secretary... May we please have your attention. This is a very important bill for Senator Woodyard, and 'he 's trying to get your attention. Senate Bi11 54. Senator Woodyard. Read the -- read the bill first, Madam Secretary.

Sena*g Bill 54. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the b111.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senabor Woodyard.

Thank you, Madam President, Members of the Senate. It's very 37  ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 I I possible that the Illinois State Police Will Want somebody else to sponsor their bill. Kind of luck I've been having. Anyway, What I this bill attempts to do is to allow those twenty-two officers that had to be laid off from the Illinois Commerce Commission to I ! be transferred into the Illinois State Police. And the timing is very crltlcal on this. Part of the reason for -- or the rationale for doing Ehis is the fact that these pollce officers - or officers, I should say - in the Conmerce Commission already had partial 1aw enforcement tralning to where it did not require nearly the amount of additional training for them to be transferred in as what it would have required for a new officer. I believe the fiscal note on this is around five hundred and sixty Ehousand dollars. But it certainly ls supported by the Illinois State Pollce, and I would encourage lts adoption. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) . ' Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank -- thank you, Madam President. Question to the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he'll yield.

Do I understand, Senator Woodyardr that theyfve had the same ! training as State Police pakrolmen?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

That's correct. PRESIDING OFFICSR; (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Gqnator Dunn. i SENATOR T. DUNN : I Thank you, Madam Presldent. You knowr this -- this is not generic to the billr but somebody over here on this side nentioned 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 that the headline ought to be, tomorrow -- wefve kind of revised the headline for tomorrow norning. I know Senator Welch did. The headline tomorrow ought to be that pigs lose and pork wlns.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussions? Senator Demuzio.

Thank you, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I'd like to ask Senator Woodyard a question. Ycu indicate that they do have or have had the same, identical training as a State Police officer, and I'd like for you to address that, as well as, is it my understanding now that these individuals will be in the State Police pension system , and is it also the fact that the -- that not all of the members of the Illinois Commerce Commission that Were so-called police officers dld, in fact, make the transfer?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEC-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

It's my understanding, Senator, and if I'm answering your question properly, that they were transferred into the State Police pension system last year.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio. SENATOR DEMUZIO: . Well I guess the question is: Why are we doing iE? That if they have already been Eransferred, why -- why are We now being -- as a General Assembly, being asked to ratify a decision that has already taken place? It's also my understanding that not a11 of the members who were police officers of the Illinois Commerce Ccnmission were allowed the -- afforded the opportunity to transfer into the State Police. Is Ehak not eorrect?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I 39  ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Senator Woodyard. i !

Well, it's my understanding that -- that the reason for the legislation is the fact that the Merit Commission .cannot do the transfer; that it requires this to do that.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio.

It's my understanding Eheydve already done it. They tve already gone to the training. The decision Was made. It Was an executive order signed. Now you're -- somebody 's asking us to ratify thls declsion. That's number one. Number two, ls iE noE a fact that not a1l of the police officers that were employed in the Illinois Commerce Commission Were afforded the opportunity to transfer? How many were there in the -- in the police force? How many were allowed to transfer? How many were not?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Wellr I guess the last part of that question, first. Yes: it's my understanding that many of the other officers were afforded that opportunity, but not a11 of them did that. What was he -- yes. And by the way: Senator, it's my understanding also that these people are in an academy class right now and would be graduating in mid-March.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio .

Then let me -- let me ask this: What happens now -- a1l these people who have been on the waiting list for -- to go to the State Police to the academy now have been backed up - a1l these people who have been out there waiting for the last year, year and a 40  ETATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 hakf. And al1 of a sudden now here pops another class that's 1 being established for Illlnois Commerce Commission members, who did not have the same type of police trainlng that was afforded to the State Police officers, who are now in the -- in the training to :et some. That's one problem. The other problem is, is that I don't know -- I donst Ehink that everybody was asked or everyone was transferred into the State Police. I'm trying to determine hoW many Were not transferred. It wasn't a question as to whether or not they were, in fact, afforded the opportunity and declined. The fact of the matter wasr as I understand it/ that they were selective in who they Wanted, and as a consequence, it only -- this only applies to twenty-five members. HoW nany Commerce Commissicn pollce officers are no* being afforded the opportunity to participate?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) senator Woodyard.

. .. lmicrophone cutoffl...understanding thirty did -- did apply and twenty-two were accepted. I -- I can't give you much better answer as to why that occurred or -- or why not. :ut I guess the other -- in answer to another questian you had, part of the reason for bringlng the Commerce Ccmmission people into the State Pollce was the fact that it's an awful lot cheaper to do -- you knowy a much less rigorous trainlng period than it would be for the new person. I agree With you, Senator, that -- and that was a concern of mine when I flrsE heard about thls issue, was it seems to me that we're probably reducing, by twenty-two members, a new class coming in.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio: are you done, sir? i

Well, can you tell me then what happened to the eight that 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislatlve Day March 7, 1995 were not selected? You indicate that there Were thirty who applied, twenty-two were acceptedy eight were not. What -- why weren't those eight afforded the same oppcrtunity?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

It my understanding that those eight that were not accepted did not meet the criteria requirements for acceptance.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Have you finished, Senator Demuzio? Senator further discussion? Senator Watson.

Yes. Thank you, Madam President. A question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will yield.

Senator Woodyard, seniority determined byr guess, a graduating class, and I understand these twenty-some new troopers will fall in line in seniority just like everyone else. But I do understand though that when it comes to district assignmentsr When you graduate from the class, as I guess some three hundred did, I believe - I'm not sure hoW many there was but last yearr you -- you can select or ask to be assigned to a particular district in the State, and then lf you 're if that -- there's not an epening at that particular dlstrict, then you take a second choice or a third choice, or whakever. The problem Ehat I have here or Ehe question that I have is: How was the district assignment decided for these Comnerce Commlssion pollce offlcers?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARTS) Senator Woodyard.

-- my understandlng that -- Ehat when they come out 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Leqislative Day March 7, 1995 of the academy and asslgn to a particular post or position, that their seniority does not carry over from the Commerce Commission butr rather, as a new person coming out of the academy.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson.

Yes. But let me just maybe further explain my question. People who asked, let's say, to go to Collinsville - it's in my area - but there wasn't any openings, so they got sent to Lawrenceville, or they got sent to Mount Verncn, or they got sent to Joliet. They are on, now, a waiting list to go to Collinsville. They want -- they're from the area. They want to return back to Ccllinsville . So now theylre when an opening occurs in Collinsville, they'd like to -- to go back. Now , we have the ICC guys now being asslgned. How is their assignment going to lmpact that Waiting list, and will it then prohibit, or inhibit, the ability of some of the younger troopers, the ability to transfer to the district that they would like to be assigned to?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Yes. In answer to that question I'm not making myself clear enough, I guess - the instance, or the example that you gave: that person Fould have seniority to transfer to Collinsville over and above these new pecple coming out of -- out of the academy. END OF TAPE TAPE 2 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. Senator Watson.

The the problem is, just.for example: Got a guy living in Collinsville; he 's an ICC police officer. There is a friend of mine, who lives my hometownr whose family still lives there: who -- who now works in -- in Lawrenceville, believe is, and he 's a trooper. Okay? He wants to come back to Collinsville. He says now that the guy Who lives in Collinsville, Who is going Eo be assigned to Collinsville, who now is an Illinois Commerce Comnission police officerr is going to bump him or at least delay his ability to transferr because he's going to be fllling a spot there that could very well have been filled by the guy from Greenville who -- works in Lawrenceville.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any -- Senator Woodyard. Are you done, Senator Watson? Senator -- Senator Palmer.

Thank your Madam President. wanted to ask the sponsor a question.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will yield.

Senator Woodyard, this is the same question that I had in *he committee, and I just want to find out if this is still the case. What we were told is that the ICC transferees who complete the traininq will now take Ehe places of veteran SEaEe Eroopers on the highways and veteran State troopers will go to riverboats. Is that correct? Is that still the -- the case?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Eenator Woodyard.

44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Well, I thought that that was answered in in the committee, that the riverboat people would be on a seniority basis: rather than -- in other words, the ICC academy graduates would not necessarily go Eo riverboats.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Palmer.

I guess I still have some concern with that, because according to the information I have here, since FY '91, the number of State troopers patrolling Illinois highways is down nearly twenty-two percent. And if -- if that's true, then I'm very concerned that we're getting new officers but they're not going to be used as State troopers in a tradittonal and necessary way.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

The only response I know Ehat Senator Palmer, that I can give you is that these people would be used to fill vacancies. And as you well indicatedr due to early retirement, or whatever reason, we we are understaffed, and thls is somewhat of an effort Eo -- to increase that staffing .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. Maybe I can help clear up some of the problems here. We, in the Transportatlon Committee, boEh in *he House and the Senate, held joint meetings talkin: to the ICC about some of these problems. As -- as you probably know, the feds in their great wisdom has have declded that trucks uill nc longer be regulated by the ICC, whether it's interstate or intrastate. These -- a 1ot of these policemen have worked for the ICC for as long as fifteen, tWenty years, and a1l of a suddeny because of -- 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 of something tha: happened in WashingEon Eha: no one in this Body had any control over whatsoever, these nen found that they were without a job. What we are attempting to do is to take these l veteran policemen, who have -- through no fault of their own, no I longer have a job and transfer them into the State Police I I Department. I've talked to Terry Gainer about this when this a1l came about. He welcomes them because, frankly, he is short of -- of State police. He has taken the ones that he feels are qualified, that have gone through most of the training, and the little trainlng Ehey didn't have, Ehey will -- are now ln khe process of getting. If We do not pass this bill -- these men have been paid before by fees that used to be ccllected by the -- from the truck owners. These fees are no longer collected. If we do not pass this bill, very frankly, these men who have served their State well for several years Will be Without a job and have no place to go. I think it -- it -- this bill benefits b0th the State and these meny and I think an Aye vote is well in order.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Shadid.

Would the sponsor answer a question, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will yield. Senator Woodyard?

Senator, I understand that there 's eight officers Who didn 't qualify for the State police.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEC-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

That's my understanding .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senatar Shadid. 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

Were those eight just fired, terminated, 1et gor or were they given an opportunity to get a job somewhere else in the State? PRESIDING OFFICER: .ISENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Senator, -- I really don't know whether -- Whether they were offered some other position cf employment or not.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Shadid.

Would this process then, by taking the twenty-four into the State Police, would their budget then be reduced by twenty-four?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Well, in -- number one, there's twenty-two of the officersr nct twenty-four. And number two, no, in ny -- not to my knowledge has the State Police approprlation or budget been reduced.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Shadid.

My last questlon: The total number that was approprlated in the budgeE for State policemen, new ones, daes this number of twenty-two affect that, or is that included in that total budget?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Wocdyard.

think what youfre asking, are these twenty-two people included in -- in the proposed budget and in the rest of this fiscal year. If that's the question, *he answer is yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 Senator Shadid.

So, in other words then, khe total amount of trocpers that we approved and appropriated in the budgety that number includes the twenty-two that were transferred over.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Okay. Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Madam President. Like a feW questions of the sponsor, if I may. Senator -- Senator Woodyard, whose initiative is this? Is this something that the -- that the Director of the State Police wanted? Is this his?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz.

I noticed that -- read the bill, and it doesn't mention in the bill the -- the retraining of these police officers with monies from the State Gaming Fund, but it says that ln Ehe analysis. Can you tell me it says, when the trainin: is completes twenty-flve officers already with the State Police will be assigned to the Gaming Board for riverboat duties. Who is policing the riverboats currently? Are -- are they ICC police, or State Police officers?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS B9TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 Senator Woodyard.

Yes, in answer to *he question on -- on the people who are security personnelr State Police, on the riverboats. It's my understanding that they are State Police officers. They are working overtime, and thatts -- rather -- they don't have enough people, and that's why probably there will be a postingr additional people put on the riverboats. And those are paid out of the fees that the boats themselves pay, the salaries are. So# at this point in time, the holes are being plugged by those -- those people working overtime.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator -- Senator Dudycz.

So the so the twenty-five -- there will be twenty-five additional officers, addlng to the current ranks that are out there policing the -- the riverboats. Is that correct? So... Hok about the -- how about the Director of the Ganing Board? Is he on board With this? Or do -- or do they have any -- the Gaming Board, do they have 1aw enforcement personnel or investigatory personnel within the Gaming Boardw such as other states have? Whether it's Las Vegas or -- or Atlantic City or other states with -- with riverboats, many of them have investigators with the Gaming Board who conduct investlgations and actually get involved With investigating people who are unsavory characters. Ts this completely under the control of *he State Police, or does *he Gaming Board have their own officers under khe -- under their jurisdlction?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard.

Well, I'm getting some mixed reviews over here, Senator, 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 and and I'm not really sure Whether the Gaminq Board itself actually has police officers working for the Board itself. But, yes, the Board actually pays the fees for those security pecple to be on the boats. I do know that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz.

So they 're -- so they're are police officers that are being pald out of fees from the Gaming Board, which is collected from the boats? Okay.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Butler.

Who? Oh -- I'm sorry. You looked that Way, so I I didn't understand.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) But I called you.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I don't know What we 're doin: here. We're micromanaging. I've never heard questlons like this. Why were eight men not picked? Why is this guy assigned to one place? This, seems to me, is an ideal situation. Wefve got twenty-two highly trained officers. With a minimal amount of additional training, they becope full -- fully fully trained State police. What are we discussing here? It seems to me there's -- Wedre -- we're not only micromanagingy but wedre -- we seem to be doing casework here on the Floor. somebody has a problem with an individual, handle it individually, but let's not waste our time. We githgr want these twenty-tWo men at Work. The twenty-five that will be assigned to the riverboats were assigned by seniority. don't understand the whole problem . Maybe I'm the only one in this Chamber that -- that doesn't, but I'm going to vote Yes for 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 thls 'cause it nakes sense.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Shaw . Senator Jacobs.

Thank your Madam Chairman, Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senate. We currently have a hundred and twenty-two State police offieers working on riverbcats. Wedre gcing to add twenty-two more: making that a hundred and forty-four. Depending on how many boats you say there are, one way or another, that's twelve State police officers per boat, which appears to me to be a little ludicrous that there is a need for twelve police officers per boat. But let me remind you of one thing, and it's the only reason I riser 'cause I basically stand in support of this legislationr but do think that it's lmportant that this Body knous that those twenty-two police officers, or State police officers, that will go to riverboat gamblin: is going to take away over a million dollars fron education. Because this money ls not spent for these twenty-two police officers, a1l dollars left over go to the Education Fund. So the more We add to the adminlstrative cost of riverboat gaming, the more we take from education. And I thought it was just a point that should be made.

PRESIDING OFFICCR: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Raica, further discussion.

Thank you, Madam President. Just to the bill: JusE to clarify a few points. The -- Senator Butler probably hit the nail right on the head, as far as we're attempting to micromanage the Illinois State Poliee and posslbly Ehe -- the Caming Board. The ICC police offiaers, the tWenty-tko members that Would be goin: over to the State Police, would be unemployed if the State Police didn't aceept them. They are trained police officers. However, neither a Chieago police officerr a Peoria -- a Peoria police 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995 officer, a Cook County sheriff can go to the State Pollce Without going through the academy, because their training is in addition to any training that a local department would give them . So Ehe State Police have additional training that's required, above and beyond that of a -- of a police officer from any of the other municipalities. To -- to address the issue of the twenty-two people coming over and the twenty-five troopers going to the gaming boats: A 1ot of the troopers want to go to the gaming boats because ie's a special detailr and they vould just like to get off the traffic detail or off *he regular posts. And it's not a promotion, theoretically, for them; however, it -- it could be, in some Waysr a better detail than what they are experiencing now. These tWenty-two people coming over wouldn't ber in my opinion or in Senator Woodyard 's opinionr filling twenty-two additlonal slots frcm a possible cadet class coming into the academy: 'cause they 're filling twenty-two positions of police officers that are going over to the other side. And they 're going on into the beat cars on -- on the roads. And according to -- just to answer Senator Jacobs, it's an administrative decision when comes to twelve people on a boat, and the reason for tha: is days cff and time scheduling. Obviously a trooper is not going to be on that boat tWenty-four hours, and that's basically how that boat is -- is workins now. So between working shifts and their days cff, that'p the reason for the twelve people. This is not a bad idea. Theydre taking care of twenty-two officers that would be unemployed. And the Director Gainer's on board and so is Ehe Gaming Board, and I think Senator Woodyard deserves an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Senator Woodyard, to close.

Thank you, Madam President, Members of the Senate. A -- a 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 correction: Senator Jacobs, figures ke have showed as of February 1st, there were eighty-nlne afficers assigned to the bcatsy rather than the hundred and forty. The other thin: think is very important for you to remember: this legislatlon does not pass, wefre qolng Eo have Ewenty-Ewo more vacancles than what we would have if it does pass. And at least We're making some progress: it seems to me. And -- and the otber important thing is, we would have to go back and start at ground zero, which means it'd go through the selection process and the academy process. These people are practically fully trained now, and -- and certainly hope, deserve your support on Senate Bill 54. And certainly urge its passage. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question shall Senate Bill 54 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open . Have al1 those who wish voted? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Madam Secretary, take the roll. The votes on this bill, it's 49 Yeas, 2 Nays, 2 voting Present. And this bill, having received the required constltutional majorityr is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 58. Senator Molaro. Madam SecreEary, wll1 you read the bill.

Senate Bill 58. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Molaro.

Thank you, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is a relatively simple bill, but 1'11 explain it as quickly as I can. In Illinoisy as you know, we're going through some -- we 're ... 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Please give your undivided attention to the speaker.

Webre welre going Ehrough somq changes - the horse racing industryr gambling industry - and what was the genesis of this bill is, as you well know, Illinois lags far behind in abouk six or seven different spots of the country for horse racing purses. Jockeys, of course, get a percentage of the purse when they win the race. What's happening in Illinois is that as soon as we go out and sort of educate these jockeys, turn them into -- turn them ineo the top of their profession: they wind up leaving the State of Illinois because there is no way that they can make the money in rllinois that they can make anywhere throughout ehe country. Well, what -- what the Jockey Guild Nould like to do and What jockeys in Illinois Would like to do is be able -- there's been a practice now when you take your picture in the winner's circle, you *ake your hat off and you have the okner's colors. You eould only wear what the owner prescribed for you to wear, because at that point in time when you're on a horse's backy you are the employee of the owners, not the racetrack. So a11 we're allowing in Illinois is that the jockey can wear a logo, whether it be a headband or a wristband. Because of simulcasting throughout the country, companies are willing to come up and pay a jockey a propotional fee for wearing a headband that says Adidas or some other type of brand name. Now, he cannot wear the logo without permission of the owner. So he has to go out and get the permission of the cwner before he can dc this. And this is just an attempE Eo allow jockeys Eo make a few more dollars, Eo keep them in Illinois so they don't flee for New York or greener pastures. And that's the intent of the bill, and that's all the bill does.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION GENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Leglslative Day March 7, 1995 Any further discusslon? Any further discussion? Senator Molaro, to close.

I'd ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall Senate Bi11 58 pass. Those in favor, I vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Have all voted Who wish? Madam Secretary, take the record. On that -- on that billr ! there are 51 Ayes, 2 voting Nay, none voting Present. And thls ' ! bill, having received Ehe required constiEutional majority, is ' hereby declared passed. Comnittee Reports. i

Senator Weavery Chair of the Committee on Rules, reports that , the following Legislative Measures have been assigned to committees: Referred to the Committee on Agriculture and Conservation - Senate Bills 851, 854, 963, 1031 andSenate 1 Amendment 1 to Senate Bl1l 43; to the Committee on Appropriations - Senate Bills 834, 872, 873r 874, 875, 876, 877, 878, 879, 880, I 881, 882: 883, 884, 885, 911, 912, 913, 914, 915, 916, 917, 918, 919, 920, 921r 922, 923, 924, 925, 926, 927: 928, 929, 930, 1050s 1051, 1052, 1053, 1054, 1055, 1056, 1057, 1099, 1101, 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106, 1107 and 11967 to the Committee on Commerce and Industry - Senate Bills 870, 901, 902, 906, 945, 961, 982 1016, 1040, 1041, 1042, 1043, 1044: 1045, 1046, 1047, 1061, 1157, 1164, 1165, 1166, 1167, 1168, 1178, 1179, 1180, 1181y 1205 and 1206; to the Committee on Education - Senate Bills 656, 832: 941, 942, 943, 944, 946, 971: 984, 993, 998, 1005, 1006, 1007, 1014, 1015, 1017, 1018, 1019, 1020, 1029, 1034, 1035, 1115, 1122, 1126, 1171, 1213 and Senate Amendment 4 to Senate Bill l7; to the Committee on Environment and Energy - Senate Bills 638, 855, 856, 970, 1013, I 1058, 1059, 1127 and 11537 to the Committee on -- or re-referred I 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 from Environment and Energy to the Rules Committee - Senate Blll 382; referred to the Committee on Executive Senate Bills 841, 950, 957, 968, 994, 1000, 1003, 1009, 1032: 1033r 1075, 1086, 1087, 1110, 1117, 1121, 1123, 1124, 1132, 1137: 1144, 1145, 1146, 1151, 1152, 1159, 1161, 1162, 1172, 1177, 1184: 1186, 1209 and 12107 to tbe Committee on Financial Institutions - Senate Bills 680, 934, 1060: 1083 and 1208: to the Committee on Higher Edueation Senate Bills 1130, 1131 and 11857 to the Committee on Insurance, Pensions and Licensed Activities - Senate Bills 831, 842, 859, 869, 887, 888, 889, 890, 910, 965, 977: 978, 979, 980, 981: 1008, 1027, 1037, 1049, 1065, 1081, 1085, 1093, 1094, 1109, 1134, 1135, 1136: 1142, 1143, 1160, 1182, 1183, 1191 and 1192: re-referred from Insurance, Pensions and Licensed Activities to the Rules Committee - Senate Bill 680; referred to the Commlttee on Judiciary - Senate Bills 381, 402: 833, 836, 837, 838, 839, 844, 845, 857, 858, 860, 861, 862, 863, 864, 865, 866, 867, 868: 871, 886, 891, 893: 894, 895, 896, 897, 935, 936, 937: 938, 939, 940, 954, 958, 960r 972, 983, 986, 987, 988, 989, 995, 996, 1001, 1002, 1025, 1028, 1036, 1038, 1063, 1064, 1084, 1088, 1089, 1090, 1091, 1100, 1118, 1128, 1129, 1140, 1147, 1148: 1173, 1174r 1175, 1176, 1178, 1189, 1190, 1203 and 12047 to the Committee on Local Government and Electicns - Senate Bills 835, 850: 852, 903, 904, 907: 908, 931, 932, 933, 947, 948, 949, 951, 952, 953, 955: 956, 959, 974, 1011, 1066, 1067, 1068, 1069, 1071, 1072, 1073, 1074, 111ly 1112, 1155, 1193, 1194, 1197, 1199 and 12117 to the Committee on Public Hea1th and Welfare - Senate Bills 840, 846, 847, 849, 905, 9644 966, 975, 991, 1023, 1048, 1080, 1082, 1092, 1095, 1097, 1113, 1114: 1119, 1133, 1156, 1169, 1170, 1195, 1198, 1207, 1212 and Senate Amendment 3 to Senate Bill 1597 re-referred from the Committee on Public Hea1th and Welfare to the Rulgs Committee - Senate Bill 641) referred to the Committee on Revenue Senate Bills 843, 848, 898, 899, 900, 909, 967, 969, 985, 999, 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 7, 1995 ! zoo4, l0z2, zoaz, zaaa, zloa, zl2oe 1l2s, ll4z, zl58 and 1z63; referred -- re-referred from the Committee on Revenue to the Rules Commlttee - Senate Bill 656: referred to *he Committee on State Government Operations - Senate Bills 641, 853, 892, 962, 973: 992, 997: 1070: 1098, 1116, 1138, 1139, 1149: 1150, 1188, 1200 and Executive Order 95 - 02; to the Committee on Transportation - Senate Bills 976, 990, 1010, 1024, 1026, 1039, 1076, 1077, 1078, 1079, 1096, 1154, 1201, 1202, Senate Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 1l8 and Senate Amendment l to Senate Bill 3837 and Be Apprcved for Consideration - Senate Amendment 3 to Senate Bill 118 and Senate Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 185.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cronin, for what purpose do you rise?

Thank you, Madam President. For purposes of an announcement. To al1 the Members of the -- to the Republican Menbers of the Education Committee, We will have a pre-committee meeting in my office right awayr please. And then to a11 the Members of the commlttee, we will convene at 2:30. 2:30, rather than 2 o 'clock. 2:30. Thank you. The minority spckesman gives me the okay. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) And I understand Transpcrtation Committee is meeting at 2 o 'clock. Is there any further business to come before the Senate? Senator Palmer, for what purpose do you rise?

Thank your Madam President. For Purposes also of an announcement. Just for the record, Senator Collins is absent today, as she Was last week, because she is recovering from surgery.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Thank you. Senator Demuzicy for khat purpose do you rise? I 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENER/L ASSEMBEY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 23rd Legislative Day March 1995

just wanted to inqulre what tlme We're coming back tomorrck. That's all.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 1'11 get there. Messages from the House.

A Messaqe from the House by Mr. McLennandr Clerk. Mr. President I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed a bill of the followlng title, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to Wit: House Bill 340. Passed the Hcuse, March 7thr 1995.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Is there any further business to come before the Senate? If not, Senator Hasara moves that the Senate stand adjourned until 11 a.m.y Wednesday morning, March 8. 11 a.m ., Wednesday morning. Thank you. 58 REPORT: TIFLDAY SIATE OF ILLINOIS 95/04/11 PAGE: 001 89TH GENERAL ASSEHBLY 15:00:19 SENATE DAILY TRZNSCRIPTION OF DEBATB INDEX HARCH 07, 1995 .H8-0032 FTRST HEâDING HB-D115 PIRST READING HB-0207 FIR3T READING HB-0231 FIRST REâDfMG HB-0#81 FIRST READINC HB-054R FIRST REZDING HB-056: FIRST READING HB-0660 FIRST READIRG SB-0041 THIRD READING 3B-0O42 THIRD REàDTNG SB-00M4 THIRD REâDING SB-OO54 THIRD REâDING SB-0058 THIRD REZDING 53-0068 SECOND REâDING SB-0072 SECOND READING SB-0080 SECOND READIVG SB-0168 SECOND REZDING 38-0231SECOND READING SB-02Ry SECOND READING SB-027y SECOMD REZDING 58-0282 SECOKD READING 38-0285 SECOND READING 58-0296 SECOND READING SB-0364 SECOND REâDIMG 58-0365 SECOND REâDING 38-0383 SECOND READING 58-0387 SECOMD READING 38-0388 SECOND READING 58-0389 SECOND RDADIMG 38-0396 SECOND READING 3B-0q61 SECOND READING SB-0R65 SECOND REZDIMG SB-O702 TABLED SB-1214 FIR8T READING SB-1215 FIRST READING SJR-0033 HESOLUTION OFFERED DUBJECT MATTEH SENATE T0 ORDER-PRESIDENT PHILIP PâGE 1 PRAYER-PASTOR DAYHOKD TALKiNGTCN PAGB 1 PLCDGE OF ZLLEGIâNCE PZGE 1 JOSHNALS-POSTPONED PZGE 1 HESSAGE FROH THE HOUSE PZGE 1 COHHITTEE REPORTS PAGE 55 MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE PAGE 58 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 58