PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) Further discussion? Senator Hendon.
Thank you, Madam President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) He indicates he wi1l.
Senator Dillard, just for -- IIm sure everyone in the Chamber knows; but the current Comptroller, whose job youlre going to be eliminating, just for the record, who is that?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSBMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 Senator Dillard. SENATOR DILLARD : Currently, today, Senator Hendon, it's Loleta Didrickson. I We'll find out at the next election cycle, this November, who the 1 successor Comptroller will be until the offices are eliminated, if this constitutional amendment is approved by us and the voters, in 2002 . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 1 Senator Hendon . SENATOR HENDON : And is -- is the Comptroller doing a -- a bad job? Is -- is her wo rk quality not at the level that makes it Where we would keep this office? What -- what's inspiring you to eliminate this vital position in the State of Illinois? Is it -- ts it -- is it that checks aren't coming on time or the bills aren't being -- what is the Comptroller doing wrong? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Dillard. j SENATOR DILLARD: l I don 't think tbis current Comptroller is doing anything . wrong. But I want to do tWo things: I Want to save noney that We j can use and put in other more important areas, like education, I which would be my top priority. I know many of our colleagues, 1 Senator Hendonp have other priorities where they might put several 1 million dollars. I always believe it's important to eliminate j payrollers or others and not have needless duplication. And i 1 throuqh normal attritson patternsp we can eliminate a number of l State employee positions , because you I11 only 'have one office as j I opposed to two, meanin: the more, I guess, bureaucratic structure 1 of the office. And, I guess: most importantly, one-stop shopping ' is important to me. People are confused today, when they have a i I question about State finance . They don 't understand the i i 5 t . STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30 , 1998 difference between the Comptroller and the Treasurer's Office. And I just think there ouqht to be one person that you can call to get your question answered about State government. And this is the way it's done in most states, and I think it makes sense for Illinois, especially when we can downsize government and save money and use those funds to put into other programs or tax relief.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Hendon .
Well, I -- 1 111 conclude, because I know everyone ks -- is ready to go home. But it's amazing to me, because had a discussion with some of my Republican friends the other day and the concern was maybe wedve over-consolidated in the Department of Human Services. For instancer sometiMes you can over-consolidate . And I just see this as being slmilar to that. Secondlyr I'd like to know : Who is the Republican nom inee for this position kn the fall, and doesn 't it make it very awkward for them to be running for a position? If you were the Republican candidate for Comptroller, would you put your heart and soul into running for that office that -- knowing Ehat Senator Dillard is about to eliminate it?
PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Is that a rhetorical question r Senator Hendon?
No, -- I'd really like an answer, because you have people running for thls office and it wouldn't bother me if a Republican won or a Democrat won, but just -- you know, it's awful hard to run for Senatorr even, if you know the office is being eliminated . How would the Republican candidate respond , and who is that candidate? don't -- I don'k know.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 6 STATE OF ILLINO IS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 1 Senator Hendony I think you know . Senator Demuzio. 1 SENATOR DEMU ZIO : Thank you very much. .I'd like to ask the gentleman a question , if he would yield , Madam President . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) He will yield. SENATOR DEMUZIO : Senator Dillard 1et me ask a couple of questions here. First , 1 of all, I see Where we are, in fact: changinq the -- the Statute with respect to vacancies and affording khe -- khe Stake Financial Officer to be appoinked by the Governor. I also notice that this constitutional amendment takes effect upon the approval of the amendment by the voters of this State, which would be in November of this year. Would we not -- w ith the election of the Comptroller and the Treasurer, Who are up for re-election for four-year terms, would that nok create three new -- three constitutional officers attemptin: to do the same function? PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Dillard . SENATOR DILLARD : Thank you, Senator Demuzio, for asking those questions: and I've thought about those myself. First of all, there will not be any oveslapping of tbe Offices of khe State Fiscal Officer, Comptroller and Treasurer. There won 't be an appropriation for the SFO position until the year 2002. There won't be any salary for the SFO until 2002. This is -- this change is -- in the offices is being created in the Constitution in 1998 for organizational purposes only: and trailer and implementing ' legislation will flush out the State Pinancial Officer's duties and reconcile the Comptroller and Treasurer's statutory dutles. I will say, when thls left here in its original form, we had that j section of the constikutional amendment in a little bit better i I l 1 7 r STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION ! SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 98th Leqislative Day April 3B , 1998 1 ! 1 form, and it went over to the House of Representatives and they 1 decided to change the implementation schedule . And aetually, I I I notice that Speaker Madigan had filed House Amendment No. 2 to I ( I Senate Joint Resolution, Constitutional Amendment, l5, which would I have corrected and maybe cleared up some of the questions, Senator Demuzio, khat you just asked. But Speaker Madigan decided, for . 1 whatever reasonzto withdraw hisamendment. Maybe he wanted this j to die. I don't know what the Speaker's ideas Were. But I will 1 tell you 1 , even as it's drawn todayv there are no problems, and 1 ' itlll go on the books, if the voters approve this, for organizationalr or clarificational, purposes only. And the SFO position will not begin until 2002, and there shall be no problems 1 in the continuity here. And again, we control that process - wer the Legislature - by trailer legislation. 1 1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) j SenatorDemuzio. 1 SENATOR DEMUZIO : Well, thank you very much. Ir frankly, can't concur with anykhing that youdve indicated. First of all, the Governor can appoint the vacancy immediakely upon this being approved by the voters. Por a1l I know, he could appoint the loser of the Treasurer or the Comptroller's race to serve for -- for the period of time in which the Comptroller and the Treasurer would be elected to a four-year term . Now, what do you do with the section that says the State Financial Officer's Duties. It says the State Financial Officer, in accordance with the law, shall maintain the State 's central fiscal accountsy and order payments into and out of the accounts and shall be responsible for safekeep inq -- the -- . and investments of money and securities deposited with him or her, i and for their disbursement. We're going to have three financial 1 officers for a period of four years if your - - if the voters I ; I approve this amendment. What happens with the bond houses? What j I i 1 . ( 8 I ' STATE oe zLszxozs ! 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY i REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 happens with our securities? What happens with our deposits? I think this is -- you know, this -- this thing is not i i well-thought-out. It ts a proposal that ought to die. It's a -- i contrary to everythin: that the Committee on Executive of the Illinois Constitutional Convention talked about, in terms of makin: sure that there was a separate office of Comptroller and Treasurer. It seems to me thak when you indicate that this is simply going to be an -- an office that's going to be established with no money, I would -- I Would venture to say that when someone wants to deposit the Money of the State, or bave questions about it or its investments, I would venture ko say that this invikes a whole bunch of lawsuits , it seems to ne . The proposition tbat we sent out of here in the Senate to the House fa r exceeds the proposition as it came back, and therefore, I rise in opposition.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Any further discussion? Senator Welch.
Tbank you, Madam President. I'd like to ask a question of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) He 'll yield .
Senator Dillard, I'm not sure I understand where the savings are going to come from. That seems to be the main reason that is being used to pass this legislation. When We had our Appropriations meeting on Tuesday, Comptroller Didrickson appeared, and I ask her, specifically: If her office was merged with the Treasurerîs Office, Where would the savings come? How much of her budget would be saved in this combination? And , Senatory her response Was very instructive and illum inating to me . What she said was: Al1 of the savings will come from the : Treasurer's Office reductions. Nowg where do you see the savings j I 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30 , 1998 I CCZ YRM VYCZ? i
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Dillard . i
First, I see them comin: personnel-wise, right off the top. A 1 new combined office would need only one chief of staff, one 1 ' legislative liaison, one press secretary, and I could go on and 1 on. And, of course, you'd be eliminaking the cost of one constitutional officer: that person's salary, that person's limousine, that person's residence in Springfield. There 'd also be substantial savings in rent, data processing and other areas . And while I have said that I can 't give you an exact dollar figurer they saved almost ten million dollars in Texas. And I don't know What part of the State you represent, Senator Welch, but ten million bucks sure could be used by the schools in my district.
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Welch .
W ell , I think that was kind of a cheap shot , Senator. I 'm serious about asking where the money is being saved because Wedre talking about a th irty-five-b illion-dollar budgety and you fre talking about saving the cost of a car for one year, the cost of - - an -- cost of -- actually : your -- your State T reasurer has tWo press secretaries that are extremely highly paid , over sixty thousand dollars each. So is -- if we just paid them a reasonable salary, Senator, We would -- we would eliminate that particular cost. But, you know, it's amazing to me that the argument that you dve made is that, well, we now are computerized , so we can catch these glitches; we've got an Appropriations Committee that is catchinq these M istakes . Ladies and Gentlemen, the biggest scandal we 've had here in years , the MSI scandal, occurred while 10 I STATE OF ILLINOIS i 90TE GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT i 1 98th Legislative Day April 30y 1998 1 i we have computerized a ll of our records, Wb ile we have the i Appropriations Committee checking expenditures. So, in spite of 1 the great move forward in intellectual property that we've hady as far as creating computers, they didn 't catch this, because what happens is these contracts are let underneath the guidelines that we have, as to how much has to be bid for contracts or how much has to be explained. There is always going to be a way around these. To say wedre going to eliminate one oversight position seems, to me, to be false economy. Vou dre saving a few dollars, yes. In a thirty-five-billion-dollar budget, I think it may be more important to spend some money to try to keep an eye on the money that we're spending. People in my district certainly are concerned about ten million dollars. But you know what? They lre more concerned about the thirty-five billion that we won 't have an extra eye watching over. That's what they're really concerned about, Senator. And I'm surprised that you would make such a cavalier statement, because I know you 're -- youdre a very intelligent Senatory and you 're -- frankly , I think you lre a -- a very good Senator. But it seems'to me that -- that you're raising the wrong issues here. This economy issue is the same one we heard when Pat Quinn cut the House by one-third. What happened to that money? What happened to tbat streamline money? It didn't last. It was -- it was a smoke screen for somebody to get elected. And I know you lre not using for that -- that purpose, but that's what Pat Quinn did. And the savings aren 'k there. They were immediately absorbed into other agencies, and it costs more to run the House now than it ever did. You know, when the Constitutional Convention was created, it was created so that it would be nonpartisan . It was created so that it Would be a group of individuals that didn't really contain very many legislators . And that was done fo r a reason: so that they could deliberate without the baqgaqe that the legislators had carried, all the I 11 STATE OF ILLINO IS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY RBGULAR SESSION SENATE , T RANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 lobbyists lobbying them that they bad owed promises to. And so the Constitutional Convention came up with the idea of having both the Comptroller and a Treasurer . And , you know , Robert Frost once wrote that: before I tore down a fence, I'd ask why it was put up in the first place. And I think that's What *e have to ask on this. Once again, we're trying to eliminate an overslght position on the budgek khak was creaked after the scandals of O rville Hodge, after the scandals of Otto Kerner: who Went to jail, and I don't think we 're savinq a lot of money: and this is a falset economy . In addition, once again, we are taking away the right of the voters to elect officials. We dre, once again, taking a position and -- eliminating it so the voters don't have a say. You know, when we eliminated, in that Constitutional Convention, the Superintendent of Education, I think that Was a big mistake. And noW we have people coming to us, 'sWhat's happening with this money on the bonding provision?l' ''We1l, those are rules set by the Superintendent of Education. We can 't do much about thate'' Well, if we had an elected Superintendent of Education, the voters could do something about that. But we eliminated that wlth the same arguments here: ''Wel1, we 're going to economize; we 're going to -- wedre going to roll this into another office.'' I just think that what we're doing here is chipping away at the democracy that we have in the State of Illinois. Once again, wedre eliminating an elective office; we're taking the voters' rights away; we're tellin: them they 're going to save money, when it's a false promise, and everybody here knows ik. Everybody knows here that, in three or four or five years out, there Won 't be any savings on this. We know that. So I think thaE we should vote against this. I think we should leave things the way they are. If we want ko elim inate an office , let 's look at the Lieutenant Governor or som e other office. These two offices should stay separate, and I would urge a No vote. 12 STATE OF ILLIXOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) i i Further discussion? Senator Fawell. r
Thank you very much. Will the sponsor yield for a question? PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) i He indicates he w ill. I SENATOR FAWELL: ! j Senator Dillard, When we sent this amendment over to the House, I believe we did not have a -- a State Fiscal Officer in the original Constitution. Is that right? I meany constitutional amendment. 1 .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Dillard. 1 SENATOR DILLARD: j That's correct. We called it the State Treasurer. And the ! 1 House of Representatives also, as Senator Demuzio pointed out, I changed the implementation schedule to create a SFO position. j i Th l ey did that on November 3rd. Andr so they changed it. Speaker 1 Madigan filed an amendment, and withdrew it, that might have i 1 clarified it a little more artfully. But we called it Treasurer 1 1 and they changed the name to State Fiscal Officer. j PRESIDING OFFICER1 (SENATOR KARPIEL) l i senator Fawell. 1 SENATOR FAWELL: j ' So the State Fiscal Officer was -- was the result of Senator's l I - - I Rean: Of Representative, and -- and Speaker, Madiqan's legal I I opinion that this would be a better way to do it? I PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) I 1 senator Dillard. i i SENATOR DILLARD : I i The actual amendment that changed the name to State Financlal i Officer was Ehat of Representative Bugielski; however, Speaker ' I i 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS k 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30# 1998 1 ; Madigan filed House Amendment No. 2, which he later retracted or withdrew, that would have corrected the implementation schedule, made it more like that which we passed here .
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) SenatorPawell. 1 SENATOR PAWELL : : Could you tell me who ls in control of the House? I mean , Whofs the Majority Party...
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) ! Senakor Dillard . SENATOR FAWELL : ' . o . and Who's the Minority Party? '
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator D illard . I SENATOR DILLARD : E Senator Fawellr you knowv as this has come back over and wedve read this three times in its entirety, this is really now the i House Democrats version of combinin: the offices of the i Comptroller and Treasurer. And being the go-along kind of guy that I sometimes tend to be, I just defer to Speaker Madigan's judgment on how this should be drafted. '
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Further discussion? Senator Collins .
Thank you , Madam . A question of the sponsor, p lease .
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) He indicates hedll yield. .
Senator -- Senator Dillard , first, I -- I guess , a statement . I think khe issue here has gone beyond , Senator, whether or not one is for or against the elimination of the Comptroller's Offiee, you know , or what you call it, whether you call it Chief Fiscal i i . 14 STATE 0F ILLINOIS ( 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT I i 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 j Officer or whether you call it Comptroller. The major problem i here is you're -* youdre dealin; With the time schedule on the 1 constitutional amendment, but the implementation schedule: 1 I notwithstanding the name, this is all wrong . And it's -- it is a ( I very serious issue here. Because what you have -- Senator Demuzio I was talking about here, this issue comes effective upon approval ! by the voters, which is in November of this year. 7ou have four 1 E whole years here with the creation of a new office, and the other I i confusion is the chief executive of that office is not supposed to i be elected until four years from now; however, more confusinq, . vou '''' '''' I ! have written into this amendment itself that the Governor can I appoint. Now , the issue here is wbether or not the Governor is i going to appoint, within this next four years, a Chief Financial ! Officer, or will this office be operating. You say it need to be there for organizational purpose. Xou say that it will be no ' funding involved. ïou're not making any sense here. Now, what you ' i have here, for whatever reason , you 've got a mistake . ïou 've got a bill that is -- amendment that is flawed, that need to be either put back or -- or not moved at all. ïou 've 9ot time to do it two i years from now, if you want to do it and do it right. This I amendment should not move in this state. ïou know it, I know it, and everyone else know ik that's responsible here. And maybe -- 2 maybe, that's what Madigan recognized, too,and maybe that's why 1 ' he didn 't put the amendment on. Notwithstanding why he didn 't, why are you moving this amendment, and you know it is technlcally flawed and it is totally noE Ehe intenk of the creation of this office ko appoint someone within the next four years? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SCNATOR KARPIEL) 1 Senator Dillard . SENATOR DILLARD: 1 I'm moving forward to try to save money, and ik -- this has 1 beenaparamountconcernofeditorialwritersandthosewhofollow j 15 . STATE OF ILLINOIS I 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 State qovernment who have said we should comblne these kwo offices for the last couple of decades, and that's why I'm moving forward with 1t. Primarily to save money, but because we think it's qood government to combine the two offices. i PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 1 Senator Collins. i SENATOR COLLINS: I Senatorr it has nokhing to do with saving moneyz because, here i again, if this office is qoing to be created as of November or ' December, or January of next year, you're not going to be saving any money . You dre going to waste four years of creating a new 1 office, while We still operate the Treasurer's Office and the I . Comptroller's Office the next four years. ïou have four years. So j now , What you dve doney you have compounded the expense of operatinq the fiscal aqencies of this State by creating a neW one 1 1 for four years . That makes no sense if you 're talking about I saving money. j PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 1 Further discussion? Senator Geo Karis. - l i SENATOR GEO-KARIS: 1 Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, 1 : brieflyp as my colleaque on the other side said: Why deprive the l people from having a vote? That 's why we dre askin: for this 1 ' vote, to 1et the people decide whether we can save some money, I i since there are about four hundred employees in both offices. And I think it is incumbent upon us to try and save money for the people of the State of Illinois and still give them the most l efficient service, and I support the amendment. j E PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) I ! Further discussion? Senator Carroll. l i
Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. While I j I 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 support the idea of downsizing government and, in fact, had i proposed eliminating another constitutional office, this is a Constitution. It is not easy to change. It has to be read word by word, with great detail. The emphasis is in khe language. l This is, in my opinion, fatally flawed, however. Not only have you done some things that we might have to do , like taking away the double protection on -- on having two signatures on short-tern i bonds, but the way, as I understand it, this is now crafted, yes, it will create a new position the moment approved by the voters. i There is no doubt about that. So there will be a third fiscal i officer. Equally important, because of the way the schedule of transition is written, should there become a vacancy in the Office 1 of Treasurer or the Office of Comptroller between the time this is ' approved by the voters in November and four years and two months ! I later, there is no authority - no authority - and therefore a . j prohibktion, on replacing either of those positions. So tbe State would be without a Treasurer or without a Comptroller for the j i remainder of that time. Should the Treasurer or Comptroller i I resign or die or be ineligible for office, we would be absent one, and therefore, for that length of time - two, three, four years - the Stake would be in fiscal chaos . You would not have the person j I who could keep the books . You would not have the person who could i write the checks, Who could sign the bonds. The transition schedule is, in and of itself, faulty because it eliminates the i position four years from now, but it eliminates the ability to replace upon the people 's approval. So you have that four-year gap where we would be in total fiscal chaos. The idea is great, but We got to live with the language. The language, in my opinion, is fatally flawed and it should be changed.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Further discussion? If not, Senator Dillard, ko close.
17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30 , 1998 Thank you, Madam President. 1111 try to make Ay closinq brief. I just want to answer Senator Carroll on if the Treasurer or Comptroller, for whatever reason, in this next four-year term upcoming , would not be able to finish their kerm . On page 3, section (sic) (subsection) 3, under the Schedule, it says, ''those provisions (sic) (portions) eliminating the offices of the Treasurer and (the) Comptroller take effect upon the conclusion of *he terms of the Treasurer and Comp troller elected in 1998 .11 And lf you read this section of the Constitution as a wholeg should the Treasurer or Comptroller be incapacitated: get indicted, or whatever reason we would need a new Treasurer or Comptroller in the 1998 to 2002 period, still believe that the current procedure for reappointing somebody to go into those positions would still prevail. Let me just close by saying, while Senate Joint Resolutionr Conskikutional Amendment, 15 is no* perfectly drafted as it came over from the House, it is the best version we have in the constitutional time allotted to pass this amendment, which has been looked at for twenty years and is supported by numerous groups, including most of the editorial boards of the State of Illinois. The intent of this resolution is to save taxpayers' monies by consolidating the offices, and that goal is the paramount consideration of mine and we know it's worked well in Texas. There shall not be overlapping offices for the SFO, Comptroller and the Treasurer . There Won 't be any appropriation for the SF0 until the year 2002. I can't imagine a Legislature, no matter what political party, is going to appropriate money for an SFO until the year 2002, when the first time that person is duly constituted to sit in that position. There won't be a salary for the SFO until he or she is elected in 2002 . So while somebody can concoct a w ild scenario , while the Governor m iqht appoint somebody named a State Fiscal Officer, that person 's not going to have any money, it's not going to have any offices. And most 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30y 1998 importantly, trailer and implementing legislation will flush out i the duties of the SF0 and reconcile the Comptroller and : Treasurer's statutory duties. And again, I don 't care who 1 controls which Chamber of the Legislature, we are not goinq to i throwtheStateofIllinoisintoanykind of question or limbo 1 with our finances . And no matter who is in control of each Cbamber, we will do it responsibly by trailer legislation. The office is -- *henewoffice iscreated in theConstitutionin 1998 1 for organizational purposes only , and while we may a11 bicker all day long that we would like to draft the implementation schedule differently than Speaker Madigan and his friends in the House of ! Representatives Wanted it drafted, this will work and it will Work 1 ' Well. We 've wa ited many years to combine these two offices . And i I say, let's put it to the voters, and the time is now. Thank you very much, Madam President. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) ! Senator Dillard moves the adoption and approval of Senate 1 . Joint Resolution , Constitutional Amendment , l5, with House i Amendment No. 1. The question is, sball Senate Joint Resolution, i . i Constitutional Amendment, 15pwith House Amendment l be adopted j and approved. Pursuant to Section 2, Article XIV of the Illinois Constitution z amendments must be app roved by three-fifths of the Members elected . Those in favor, vote Aye . Opposed , Nay . The votinq is open . Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who 1 wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the recordg Mr. Secretary. The --onthatquestion,thereare32Ayes, 14 Nays, 13 voting 1 ! Present. And the Senate Joint Resolution, Constitutional Amendment, 15 failed to receive a three-fifths constitutional I majorlty and is declared lost. Senator Philip. I SENATOR PHILIP: I i Point of personal privileqe . 1 , PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) i l 19 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT E 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 1 1 State your pointy Senator Pbilip . i SENATOR PHILIP: I l Thank you, Madam President. I've been informed that Senator 1 I Bob Madigan has became a grandfather for the first time last night, the old dog that he is. A bouncing -- bouncing baby girl. ! I It's long overdue. She doesn't have a name yet, though. If 1 I anybody's got any suggestions, if you'd drop him a little note on : a name , he would appreciate it . Congratulations . 1 : PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Congratulations , Senator Madigan . Senator Cronin, for what reason do you rise? SENATOR CRONIN : For purposes of an announcement with respect to business that's on the agenda today. Senate Joint Resolution, , Constitutional Amendmentr 52, I move that we take that out of the record. Just Want to inform the Body that an identical -- excuse me , House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment 20, I move that we take that out of the record . The reason is that the identical Senate Joint Resolution, Constitutional Amendment, No. 52, that we voted on and passed out of here earlier in the Sessionr was passed out of the House yesterday on a roll call of a ll4 voting ïes, l voting No, l voting Present. So we have voted on the measure and -- and it's on its way to the ballot in November. So HJRCA 20 is not necessary for us to consider. Thank you . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Geo-Karis , for what reason do you rîse? ' SENATOR GEO-KARIS : , PoinE of personal privilege . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPICL) State your point . 1 SENATOR GEO-KAR IS: I ! ! . 2Q STATE OF ILLINOIS i 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 98tb Legislative Day April 30, 1998 ! I Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, we have i another new grandfather here on this side of the aisle. Mary i Elizabeth O 'Malley was bo rn as the grandchild of Senator Patrick O 'Malley . So We now have tWo new women com ing into the Senate. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Congratulationsv Senator O 'Malley . Xou don 't look old enough to be a grandfather. Senator Myers, for what reason do you rise? SENATOR MYERS : A point of personal privilege, Madam President. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) State your point . SENATOR MYERS: I have visitinq today, in the President's Gallery, Charleston . Middle School from my area. Had lunch with them not too long ago. And they lre here with Vickie Baker, Molly Craig, Karen Garrett and Nina Camp, their chaperons for today. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Welcome to the Senate . Resolutions. SECRETARV HANRY : Senate Joint Resolution 64, offered by Senator Cronin. ' It 's substantive , Madam President. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) We're going to go to the Order of 2nd Reading. Page 5 of the Calendar, House Bills 2nd Reading. House Bill 1612. Senator Parker: do you wish that bill read? Out of the record. House Bill 2306 . Senator Mahar. Out of the record . Senate Bill -- I mean, House Bill -- 2326. Senate -- House Bill 2326. Senator Molaro . Do you wish the bill read? Read the bill, Mr. Secretary . SECRETARY HANRY : House Bill 2326 . (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill . No committee o r Floor amendments . 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION , SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Leqislative Day April 30, 1998 j 1
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading. House Bill 2411. Senator Mahar. Out of the record . House Bill 2447 . Senator Geo-Karis . Read the bill, Mr . Secretary .
House Bill 2447 . (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Read ing of the bill . No comm ittee or Floor amendments.
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) House Bill 2503. With leave of the Body, We'll -- I'm sorry, 3rd Reading . House Bill 2503. W ith leave of the Body , we 'll return to that. House Bill 2510 . Senator Klemm . Read the bill , Mr. Secretary .
House Bill 2510. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No comm ittee or Floor amendments .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading . House Bill 2700 . Senator Dillard . Senator Dillardr on House Bill 2700? Out of the record. House Bill 2729. Senator Weaver. Out of the record . House Bill 2746. Senator Fawell. Read the bill, Mr . Secretary .
House B ill 2746. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill . The Committee on Transportation adopted Amendment No . 1.
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) Have there been any Floor amendments that have been approved for consideration?
No further amendments reporked . ' j 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEKBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading. With leave of the Body, wedll go back to Senate - - House Bill 2887. House Bill 3000. Senator Hawkinson. Out of the record . House Bill 3162. Senator Dillard . Out of the I record. House Bill 3248. Senator Hawkinson. Read the bill, Mr. i Secretary .
Eouse Bill 3248 . (Secretary reads title of bill) i 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) I 3rd Reading. House Bill 3254. Senator Walsh. Out of the récord. House Bill 3279. With leave of the Bodyr we'll rekurn to that bill. House Bill 3463. Senator Lauzen. Read the billy Mr. Secretary . szcRETaay gApRy : 1 ! House Bill 3463. i (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) I 3rd Reading . House Bill 3481. Senator Maitland . Senator Maktland , on House Bill 3481? Read the bill , Mr . Secretary . SECRETARY HARRV : i House Bill 3481. ' (Secretary reads title of bi1l) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments. i
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading. House Bill 3484. Senator Cronin. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary. j
House Bill 3484. (Secretary reads tikle of bill) 23 STATE 0F ILLINO IS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading. House Bill 3500. Senator O 'Malley. Read the bill, M r. Secretary .
House Bill 3500. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading'. House Bill 3790. Senator O 'Malley. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary . SECRETARY WAKRYJ House Bill 3790. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee or Floor amendments .
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading. House Bill 3793. Senator Fitzgerald . Read the bill, M r. Secretary .
House Bill 3793. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill . No comm ittee or Floor amendments .
PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Reading. House Bill 3843. Senator Shadid. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.
House Bill 3843. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of khe bill . No comm ittee or Floor amendments .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) 3rd Read ing . Comm ittee Reports .
24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 90TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX . REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rules, reports the following Legislative Measures have been assigned: Referred to the Comm ittee on Agriculture and Conservation - Senate Joint Resolution 63; to the Committee on Executive - Senate Joint Resolution 64 and House Bill 3844 : to the Comm ittee on Public Health and Welfare - House Bill 34357 and Be Approved for I i Conslderation - Senate Amendment l to House Bill 3000. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) i We'1l now proceed to the Order of Resolutions Consent i Calendar. With the leave of the Body, a11 of those read in today will be added to the Consent Calendar. Mr. Secretary, have there I been any objections filed to any resolution on the Consent i I Calendar? i I
No objections filedv Madam President. E PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR KARPIEL) I Any discussion? If not , the question is, shall the i resolutions on the Consent Calendar be adopted . All those in i favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The motion carries. The ! resolutions are adopted. Resolutions. i
! Senate Joint Resolution 65y offered by Senator Weaver. (Secretary reads SJR No. 65) :
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR KARPIEL) Senator Weaver moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of SJR 65. Those in favor will say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The rules ' are suspended. Senator Weaver has moved for the adoption of SJR I 65 . Those in favor , say Aye . Opposed , Nay . The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted . Any further business to come I before the Senate? If not, pursuant to the adjournment i resolution, Senator Weaver moves the Senate stands adjourned until i 25 STATE OF ILLINO IS 90TH GENERAL A SSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCR IPT 98th Legislative Day April 30, 1998 noon on Mondayp May 4th. I hope everybody remembers that We w1ll be here on Monday, May 4thg noon. Have a nice Weekend. 26 REPORT: TIFLDAY STATE OF ILLINOIS 98/05/01 PAGE: 001 9OTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY 13:00:29 SENATE DAILY TRZNSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 30, 1998 H8-2326 SECOND READING PAGE HB-244T SECOND READING PAGE HB-2510 SECOND READING PAGE H8-2746 SECOND READING PAGE H8-2812 FIRST READING PAGE H8-3248 SECOND READING PAGE H8-3463 SECOND AEADIKG PAGE HB-3481 SECOND READIKG PAGE HB-3R8R SECOND READIKG PAGE HB-3500 SECOKD READING PAGE HB-3T90 SECOND READING PAGE H8-3793 SECOHD READING PAGE H8-3843 SECOHD READING PAGE SR-0202 RESOLETION OFFERED PAGE *HJR-0O20 DISCDSSED PAGE SJR-0O15 THIRD READING PAGE SJR-006R RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE SJR-0065 ADOPTED PAGE SJR-0065 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE SEBJECT MATTER SENATE T0 ORDER-PRESIDENT PHILIP PAGE 1 PRAYER-FATHER THOH DENNIS PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 JOPRKAL-APPROVED PAGE 1 JOURNAL-POSTPONED PAGE 1 COMHITTEE REPORTS PAGE 1 COMHITTEE REPORTS PAGE 25 RESOLUTIONS CONSENT CALENDAR-ADOPTED PAGE 25 ADJOKRNHENT PAGE 26