Illinois House Floor Debate — April 19, 2018

"Members are asked to be in their seats. We shall be led in prayer today by Pastor Keith Thomas who is with Mount Olive Missionary Baptist Church in Champaign, Illinois. Pastor Thomas is the guest of Representative Ammons. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones, and rise for the invocation and Pledge of Allegiance."

"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Andrade."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representative Gabel is excused today."

"Representative Wheeler." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please let the record reflect that Representative Skillicorn is excused today."

Speaker Turner: "With 115 Members present, a quorum is established. Representative Butler, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed, Sir."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, Representative. Representative Davis."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'd be remissed if didn't follow Representative Butler. Encouraging Members and all to come out and support our effort. Enjoy some great rivalry and competition on the bowling alleys. We know we got a few ringers around the Capitol and they get recruited to participate, and that's great. But you know I'm not a ringer, but I'm going to do my thing next week. I know some of you were wondering why I was wearing my coat yesterday as if to say I was going to have some big reveal of my fantastic bowling shirt. Well, that wasn't the case and it's not today either. But trust me, I will have a fantastic bowling shirt next week for the event that supports our efforts to raise money to create awareness around diabetes. It's a debilitating disease and maybe doesn't get all the notoriety that some of the others have but it does have a tremendous impact in our communities particularly in African American and communities of color. So again, we hope that you will support our efforts. Representative Butler says he's got forms, if you want to… if you want to participate or maybe jump on a team, but please participate in this effort. I appreciate all the hard work that Representative Butler puts into this effort. When he took over from Representative Tryon, we didn't skip a beat, we kept moving, we kept pushing, we keep raising money so that Members… and these dollars are available for all of us to be able to do awareness events in 10000119.docx 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 our districts. So we just need to take advantage of it. So again, thank you Representative Butler for all your hard work and the other chairs of the Diabetes Caucus and we look forward to seeing you on Tuesday next week. Thank you, Mr. Chair."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, Representative. Representative Carroll, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Point of personal privilege."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Starting yesterday at sundown and going through this evening at sundown is the 70th birthday of the State of Israel. So, I would like, on behalf of the Jewish Caucus and all Members of the House, to wish Israel a happy 70th birthday or as we like to call like, Yom Ha'atzmaut. Thank you so much."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, Representative. Representative Stratton, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last professional position, other than being a State Representative, was serving as the director of the Center for Public Safety and Justice at the University of Illinois in Chicago; and today I'd like to welcome staff from the Center for Public Safety and Justice who's on my left in the gallery. Jason Stamps, Charlene Moe, and Katie Holihen, who all train on procedural justice throughout the country and work with law enforcement all around the country. They also testified this morning before the House Task Force on Sexual Harassment and Sexual Discrimination. I would like the House to please welcome the Center for Public Safety and Justice here today. Thank you." 10000119.docx 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Sommer, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed, Sir."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Andersson, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed, Representative."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Jimenez, for what reason do you seek recognition."

"Please proceed, Representative."

"Thank you, Representative. Representative Meier, for what reason do you seek recognition?

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Congratulations, and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Harris, for what reason do you seek recognition?" Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good to see you in the Chair today. Actually I thought the Deputy Majority Leader might be in the Chair, because I had something to announce for something in his area. Point of personal privilege, if I may?"

"Please proceed, Representative." Harris, D.: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Illinois Holocaust Museum and Education Center in Skokie has been named one of the ten recipients of the National Medal for Museum and Library Science. The award was announced in a joint press release between the museum and the Institute of Museum and Library Sciences. The accolade is regarded as 'the nation's highest honor given to museums and libraries for service to the community'. So, hats off to the Illinois Holocaust Museum and Education Center in Skokie. Thank you."

"Thank you, Representative. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

"Members, we're going to begin with Bills on Third Reading. And first up we have House Bill 4275, by Representative Andrade. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Andrade."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4275 is an update to the Health Club Act that was incorporated in 1965. The Bill has no opposition. It actually takes the Attorney General's language put into length… into the Bill. It also improves consumer protection by reducing the amount of time they can 10000119.docx 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 contractual itself and it provides an open market for the health club industry. There's no questions, I respectfully request an 'aye' vote."

"Thank you, Members. Representative Breen is recognized."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Actually though, the part that we're changing is from 1965. In 1981 also, there was a change that actually incorporated the health clubs into it. For example, like an x-sport or something. So it actually goes way back. The part we're changing was actually incorporated in 1965. I've worked with the Republicans on both sides, and the Democrats, and Attorney General's Office to make sure there's no opposition and to the business community."

"No."

"It's all been… been resolved."

"Thank you."

"Representative Hammond is recognized."

"Representative Andrade to close."

"Thank you. Ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Gentleman moves that House Bill 4275 pass. All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 84 voting 'yes', 25 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', House Bill 4275, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5771, Representative Chapa LaVia. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Chapa LaVia."

"Thank you, Speaker. The piece of legislation just puts in information on… for… if a early childhood program receives fed… state dollars, that in their report card that they place absentee attendance information and such. And I'll take any questions."

"Representative Pritchard is recognized."

"Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"I'm glad you asked that…"

"…my amazing counterpart on that side. Is that we… what we find is the patterns of truancy and absenteeism start 10000119.docx 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 as early as three, four, and five, of course. And throughout the state, we need to start focusing and retraining our brain to understand that early childhood is just as important as primary and secondary ed. And it gives the pattern and the relationship, not only just with the parent, but with the child understanding that school is important. And if… as they matriculate into the next level of education, if they miss more than 10 days, they're… the chance of them going ahead and going to the next grade is like 57 percent. So, this is a really important step to start collecting data to see the habits of our early childhood programs throughout the state if they receive state funding. Not if they're private, state funding. And I want… I want to say, Representative Pritchard, it's been an honor, a delight through the years to work with you on legislation, that we're really pushing education to the forefront on everybody's minds. So, thank you for all your support over the years."

"I think that's a piece of legislation that we're going to be getting to once we start to collect data, to see where we… that information takes us as a state. But we don't put mandates in a sense of taking that information and then dissecting it and saying how it affects their school directly. But it's definitely an idea of going forward."

"Chair recognizes Representative Ives."

"Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"Well, the funny thing is Representative…"

"…they don't get to ISU if they don't have early childhood."

"If you want to look at the statistics… and your numbers are so off-base, okay?"

"Someone needs to put you in your place on that. Because I remember as a freshman, you saying you wanted to eliminate all of early childhood education. You know what the difference is in a high minority, high poverty district and someone that lives in a wealthier district, the lack of early childhood. You want to know what's different about your community and my community?"

"My kids go to jail when they don't have early childhood."

"So… so…"

"…she is irrelevant and she…"

"…should talk to the Bill 'cause she's not talking to me. Okay?"

"You can go straight to the Bill, Representative."

"You didn't ask me a question."

"Would you like to go straight to the Bill, Representative Ives?"

"You were talking to the Bill."

"To the Bill."

"Representative Wallace is recognized."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"I want to first start by thanking you, Representative Chapa LaVia, for bringing this Bill forward. At first, I was a little concerned because we know that in a lot of communities like the ones that you and I represent and the one that you were just talking about, it's difficult for parents to have the resources necessary to get their children to and from and it's difficult for their children to matriculate. But this Bill simply says we'll record the data around that issue, correct?"

"I'm sorry, Wallace. Could you… could you repeat the question, Dr.?" 10000119.docx 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"So it says that we're just going to record the data around attendance and absenteeism?"

Chapa LaVia: "Right. And what we're trying to do is get accountability for those slots as well, to make sure that the dollars are going where they're needed and to find out the mechanics around that. 'Cause I think it's really important that we understand if a child misses, it's not day care, it's early childhood academies these days."

"That's right."

"We need to train our children… I mean… standing in line, don't touch somebody, playing with sand, doing colors, their numbers, how to… how to listen to authority to… so instruction, are part of developmental components that all children deserve, all children deserve. So, what we'd like to do is some of the data that's going to start to be collected based on that data and what we'll do going forward will help us with early childhood to see what we're missing, how we can work with a parent or parents or grandparents on why this is happening. But we need to reprogram society that early childhood academies are that. It's not day care anymore."

"That's right."

"And we… we're falling behind. And where we see the inadequacies, we see them that if we're not providing help to the parent to understand that this is a early school. This is… this is a academy building our children up so they can go into society. They can into colleges if they want to or vocational, or go into the workforce and be taxpaying citizens. So…" 10000119.docx 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I want to say thank you so much. So, to the Bill. We've talked extensively in this chamber about the benefits of exposure to early childhood education. Children who participate in these early programs are not only more likely to finish high school, not only more likely to go on to a university setting, they're also more likely to go on to graduate school. This has lifelong, lasting effects. And so, being able to collect this data, being able to see what types of resources and supports need to be in place so these children can be within these programs, I think it's absolutely essential. I want to, again, applaud Chapa LaVia for this. I think it is a shame that we continue to try to penalize poverty because that what's I heard in the previous speaker's discussion around this issue. It's a problem, it's a problem this chamber must deal with and I hope that you will address it moving forward. But thank you, again and I encourage an 'aye' vote from everyone here. This will have so many great benefits moving forward. Sometimes we have to invest now so that we can have a greater return in the future. Thank you."

"Representative Andersson is recognized."

"Representative Scherer is recognized."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a quick comment. I stand in full support of this and intend to become a Sponsor. I would hope that the Members of this Body would understand the importance of developing good soft skills from the very beginning. And what I have seen in my years of teaching is if they learn to show up to school and be ready to learn, show up and be on time, that's a skill they develop for the rest of their life. I strongly urge an 'aye' vote and hope it's unanimous."

"Representative Chapa LaVia to close."

"Okay. I want to just give you one statistic and people know this. I've tried to get away from education so much because I want other people to understand it 'cause I'm not going to be here forever and it is a very important thing in our State of Illinois. But all statistics show if you… in fact, An Ounce of Prevention put out a statistic out there; a three-year-old, a three-year-old that is in formal day 10000119.docx 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 academy setting and another child that sits in front of a TV at a grandma/grandpa's house, maybe saw Sesame Street, what have you, the four-year… I mean, the… I'm sorry. It's probably a four-year-old or five-year-old, I forget the statistics, but what it showed is still dramatic. It showed that the child that sat in front of the TV looked like they had a stroke. It looks like they had a stroke because they're not connecting the synapses in their wonderful amazing brains and that we were behind the eight ball once that child gets into pre- school they'll… I mean, kindergarten, they'll never catch up to their counterpart 'cause they're missing over 30 million words verbally. This is child abuse at its rare… at best form when we don't educate and put money into early childhood. The number is, per year, we spend about $4 thousand per kid. Not $10 thousand what you heard earlier, but $4 thousand per kid to educate them at early childhood academies across the state that are given state public funds. And I want to thank everybody for the discussion. You know I get very passionate, especially about early childhood 'cause that's one of the most important things we can do. And there are economists out there throughout the United States that the best money return on your dollar, the ROE, is putting money into early childhood academies. And I appreciate an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5771 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the roll. On 107… with 107 voting 'yes', 4 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', House Bill 5771, having received the Constitutional Majority, 10000119.docx 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4348, Representative Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Connor. Take your time."

"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4348, as it's currently amended, creates a mechanism to utilize what is called NamUs, the National Association of Missing and Unidentified. It requires law enforcement agencies and coroner's offices here in the State of Illinois to submit a packet which will… which will permit the National Association of Missing and Unidentified Persons to test DNA samples from unidentified remains that are recovered. There's a laboratory in north Texas that provides the best testing in the nation. It is federally funded, it doesn't cost anything to local law enforcement or to the coroner's offices. Currently, many organizations still don't know about this. So, this Bill is an effort to require that the samples be sent in so that this national clearing house can contain more information about missing remains. In addition, they post information on the web about the unidentified individual and this assists law enforcement nationwide in helping to identify these remains. It doesn't as I said, it doesn't cost anything. All local law enforcement or the coroner's office has to do is request the packet and they place samples from the remains into the packet, they send it off to this organization. A great example occurred about six months ago in Kentucky. They identified a 46 year old body that had… it was called 'Mountain Jane Doe'. It had never been identified before. But through NamUs they 10000119.docx 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 were able to this. So, this doesn't cost local law enforcement or the coroner's offices anything. I did what to indicate, we do intend to make changes to this on the basis of some input from the stakeholders on the Senate side. However, all the stakeholders have agreed we want to pass it out of the House and I already have a Sponsor in the Senate. So, I would urge an 'aye' vote to help identify unidentified bodies."

"Seeing no debate the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4348 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4348, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5077, Leader Bellock. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Leader Bellock."

"Seeing no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5077 pass?' All favor vote 'aye'; all opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 10000119.docx 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 voting 'present', House Bill 5077, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4990, Representative Crespo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker. Members of the House. House Bill 4990 does two things. Number one, it allows DCEO to award grants to municipalities that participate in the convention incentive program that we passed last General Assembly for obligations that they have incurred in a prior fiscal year. It also extends the sunset date of the annual report of the effectiveness of the program that DCEO must submit to the General Assembly and also requires that they submit the report electronically. Happy to answer any questions."

"Chair recognizes Representative Breen."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"So basically, the… it allows the municipality to provide an incentive and we've laid out the best March for that that Bill we passed a couple of years ago. This would just allow the municipality to get the award or the incentive paid the following year… the following fiscal year." 10000119.docx 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"As far as I'm aware, no."

"Representative, let me tell you the way this award program was put together; they can only get the incentive paid back if they can prove to DCO that absent the incentive, they never would have had the business. So, it would have to prove that in fact they generated new business for the State of Illinois. So, it's pretty much revenue neutral. And I have to admit, this is the first I hear that the Governor's Office OMB, is opposed. I've had meetings with OMB on other matters and they never said anything to me."

"Right."

"The problem is that the municipality already committed to that incentive. So, they're out. And absent this language, I don't think the program is going to work, because I doubt very much if any municipalities would even try to offer incentives to bring in new business."

"It happened to Schaumburg. This would also apply to Quincy, Springfield, Tinley Park, Peoria, Collinsville, the Quad Cities, Lombard, as well as the Sports Center in Rockford. They also qualify for this program."

"Right."

"Correct."

"Listen… and again as far as… this Bill actually passed the Senate and was taken by someone else in the House. My 10000119.docx 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 understanding was that the Governor's Office was fine with this Bill."

"Representative Davidsmeyer is recognized."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Right."

"I don't necessarily…"

"Well… I think they can only offer the incentive if they think that they're going to recover that incentive. Otherwise they might not offer the incentive for the new business to come into to the state."

"The what?"

"Well, I… well, I represent part of Schaumburg…"

"…so obviously, I've had conversations with them as well as some of the other municipalities 10000119.docx 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"…that qualify for the incentive program."

"As far as I know, based on this program, they were able to attract two new conventions to the area and I believe some the municipalities were able to do the same thing. I just haven't had a chance to talk to the other municipalities."

"It was a case where the municipality acted based on the law that we passed a couple of years ago. The model was there saying was hey, if you can prove that absent this incentive… this new business would have never come into town and they have to prove that. There's a baseline to set going back three years say hey, the last three years this has been our average for this period of time. Absent this grant or this incentive, we never would have gotten this business."

"Well, they were acting on a piece of legislation that we passed two years ago. And when we did pass the budget last year, we did appropriate the funds for this program."

"Where I disagree with you, Representative, is. I'm not sure if the Village of Schaumburg would have offered the terms that they did to these two convention planners. So, the terms were based on the premise that hey, we have some wiggle room here and we can make this offer based on the problem… based on the fact that we have a model in place where they can collect that incentive, provided that they can prove DCEO that absent the incentive, they never would have had the business."

"Oh, absolutely."

"Yeah."

"They have to prove to DCEO that the incentives that offered fall within the parameters of the program that we decided and we passed a couple of years ago. That's already out there. They're certain…

"…requirements they have to meet and then they qualify."

"Correct." 10000119.docx 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Yes."

"Chair recognizes Representative David Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Sponsor."

"Sponsor… Sponsor indicates that he will yield." Harris, D.: "So, Representative, let me just make sure, as I look through my list here, I see the proponents, according to my analysis, the proponents of this Bill are the Village of Schaumburg, the Illinois Municipal League, the Village of Tinley Park, the Peoria Area Convention and Visitors Bureau, the Chicago Southland Convention and Visitors Bureau, Meade- Chicago Northwest, DuPage Mayors and Managers. I can go on for about four or five more and the only opponent I see here is the Governor's Office of Management and Budget, is that what you see?"

"I just pointed out that there was one opponent today. I'm aware of the other proponents because they can participate in this program." 10000119.docx 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Harris, D.: "So, it's helpful here I think for the Body, let's follow how the dollars flow here. The Convention and Visitors Bureau up in our area, you're in Schaumburg, I'm in Arlington Heights, and we're somewhat covered by the same convention/ visitors bureau which is Meade-Chicago Northwest. And when they book an event, they book an event… it could be a year or even more in advance. Right?"

"That is currently how the system works. Lot of these convention planners need some lead time and it takes them one…" Harris, D.: "Right."

"…or two years before they can commit." Harris, D.: "Right. Yet the grant is based on the… grants are awarded off the base of the net proceeds received under the Hotel Operators Occupation Tax, for the renting, leasing, or letting of hotel rooms in the municipality for the month… for the month in which the convention, meeting, trade show, or sporting event occurs. So in other words, the grant is based on something which occurs in the future."

"Sure." Harris, D.: "So, that's why we're kind of reaching back to saying an appropriation in a previous years is appropriate to be used for something which is occurring in the future. So, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think it's instructive to follow the flow of the dollars and how the grants are awarded and this Bill makes sense because of the way that conventions and visitors bureaus have to book trade shows and other events. And again, look at the list of proponents. I guarantee you any convention and visitor's bureau in your 10000119.docx 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 area is going to be supportive of this Bill. I recommend a 'yes' vote."

"Chair recognizes Representative Andersson."

"Representative Crespo to close."

"Thank you, Speaker. Just want to make sure I explained the requirement for the two years. Again, we did find out that many of these convention planners make their decisions a year or two ahead of time. So for… in order for this to become a five year pilot, we need to study extend it for two 10000119.docx 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 years to really have a true, five year pilot program. If we show that the model works, there's nothing to say that we could implement this and broaden the scope and allow other municipalities and maybe private convention centers to apply in the future. And I ask for 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4990 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 94 voting 'yes', 14 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4990, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4923, Leader Currie. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. This is an initiative of the Treasurer's Office to make some technical changes in the Secure Choice Program. First, it aligns the reporting requirements to a fiscal year rather than a calendar year. Which comports with what else happens in the Treasurer's Office and it specifies what kinds of investments the Secure Vote… Choice funds can be used for. And finally, it clarifies that the Secure Choice board has the ability to set a time at which employers will begin to report. And finally, it does say that new reports will be electronically available rather than in paper form. Happy to answer your questions and I would be grateful for your support." 10000119.docx 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Seeing no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4923 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4923, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Bourne, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you, and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Hays, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed, Sir."

"The Journal will reflect your request. House Bill 4392, Representative McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative McAuliffe."

"Leader Bellock is recognized."

"Representative Stuart is recognized." 10000119.docx 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Thank you. I want to thank you for bringing this Bill. I don't know if you remember but last year, I was able to pass a Bill to make sure that women with desperance… dense breast tissue who needed MRI screening, in addition to mammogram screening, were able to have that covered by their insurance. So, I think this is an issue that we always need to keep in the forefront. And I would ask that you could please add me to the Bill. I would appreciate that. Thank you."

"Representative McAuliffe to close."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4392 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4392, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Long, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"The Journal will reflect your request. House Bill 4467, Representative Hurley. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Hurley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 4467 simply clears up some language in the Higher Education Student Assistant Act. It makes it clear that the natural born children of fire, police, and Department of Corrections need not be born before a disability or death occurs in order to receive a line of duty waiver. There is no objection and I'm here for any questions."

"Seeing no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4467 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4467, having received a Constitutional Majority, is declared passed. House Bill 5019, Representative Manley. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill.

"Representative Manley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 5019 is the Comptroller's Administrative Bill. The Bill makes some technical clean up to laws impacting the Comptroller's Office. Specifically, it updates statute to allow state employees the ability to have part of their wages invested in a state college savings program. Prohibits involuntary withholding deductions of more than 25 percent of each pension or disability payment of an individual. Allows an individual to authorize the Comptroller to deduct an involuntary withholding immediately, waiving the 60 day protest period 10000119.docx 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 for the deduction. 5019 makes changes to the Comptroller's Merit Employee Code to conform with Public Act 100-496, which gave hiring preference to National Guard members. And it removes… this is the most important part, it removes the terms ledger and warehouse from the statute to allow the office to rename the programs. There are no opponents."

"Seeing no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5019 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 5019, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4428, Representative Meier. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Meier."

"Seeing no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4428 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4428, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5121, Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Mitchell." Mitchell, C.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 5121, it's an initiative of the Comptroller's Office, it's the Truth in Hiring Bill. Now, the practice we're talking about here is called offshoring; it was something that was not pioneered by this Governor, it occurred under previous Governors, including Pat Quinn. But it's something that certainly we've seen a lot of in this administration. And all this Bill is saying is we want to close a loophole in intergovernmental agreements whereby employees in the Governor's Office are being allowed to be offshored to other departments. That's 10000119.docx 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 taking away money from corrections, from human services, from other… the state police and it's just an improper practice. Now, that's not a commentary in anyway on the size of the Governor's Office. It is to say that whatever his appropriation is should be proved up to the General Assembly. So, this came out of the committee unanimously with bipartisan support. So, I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Chair recognizes Representative Breen."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield.”

"Chair recognizes Representative Jimenez."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Chair recognizes Representative Fortner."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Chair recognizes Representative Wehrli."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"The Chair recognizes Representative McSweeney."

"Representative Keith Wheeler is recognized." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor indicates he will yield." Wheeler, K.: "Representative, I voted for this Bill in committee. And I just was going through my analysis again and reflecting on a Appropriations: General Services meeting yesterday with Do It. And I wanted to make sure your legislative intent is 10000119.docx 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 not to prevent interagency agreements that would prevent employees from one office, in this case Department of Innovation and Technology, being used in the Governor's Office. Because right now, they're paid in a structure that's like a back and forth." Mitchell, C.: "Representative, it would not apply to that specific situation." Wheeler, K.: "I wanted to put it on the record. Thank you very much." Mitchell, C.: "No problem."

"Representative Mitchell to close." Mitchell, C.: "Well, thank you everyone for the debate and thank you to my friends across the aisle who are supporting this Bill, for your help throughout this process. Thank you to Comptroller Mendoza for bringing this issue to the attention of the General Assembly. As has been mentioned by previous speakers, this is not just an issue with this current Governor. Though he's been prolific with it, he was not a pioneer. This is an issue that… that Democratic Governors have abused as well. So, this is a chance to get our appropriations with the actual needs of the Governor's Office. To be transparent, to save taxpayers some money, and to make our operations more efficient. I'd urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5121 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all vote who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 110 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 10000119.docx 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 'present'. House Bill 5121, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative David Harris, for what reason do you seek recognition." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke on support House Bill 4990 and unfortunately I was called off the floor before the vote and I was listed as not voting. I wanted to show that I would have voted in support of that Bill. Thank you."

"The Journal will reflect your request. House Bill 5247, Representative Pritchard. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Pritchard."

"Representative Flowers is recognized."

"Representative Prichard, is this a mandate?"

"And why is it not mandate?" 10000119.docx 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Choice. And what choice would the people have if this program was not available?"

"Is it in current law now that the State Board shall provide some type of technology or apprentice program dealing with vocational education or technology?"

"And what is your Bill doing, Sir?"

"Can you explain to me the definition of the word require?"

"Can you Google it, please?"

"Can you Google it?"

"Would please Google the word? Because I just want to make sure…"

"…that the definition of required is like shall, and is not like may."

"Pardon me?"

"I'm not going to argue the point. Representative, quite frankly, I think your Bill is fantastic and current law to a certain degree applies this already. It is up to the State Board of Education to do just what you and I man… are mandating by requiring… by saying that they shall do these things. And this is in the best interest of the state. So, I would encourage everyone to please vote 'yes' on House Bill 5247 and would you please add me as a Sponsor."

"Thank you."

"Representative Pritchard to close."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5247 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5247, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 55… excuse me, House Bill 4531, Representative Moylan. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill." 10000119.docx 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Mr. Clerk, please take this Bill out of the record. House Bill 5180, Representative Rita. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Rita."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 5180 is a Bill to fix an audit issue at the Department of Lottery. Basically, changes the date when they deposit money in the various accounts and especially into the… or not the various accounts, the Capitol Projects Fund from July 1 to September 30."

"Seeing no debate the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5180 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5180, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4508, Representative Sauer. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Sauer."

"Chair recognizes Representative Spain."

"Chair recognizes Representative Hays."

"Chair recognizes Representative Connor."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I represent a significant number of customers of Illinois American Water in 10000119.docx 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 the Bolingbrook area. Based on numbers from 2011, although Bolingbrook gave up its municipal water system in a swap deal with IAW in 2002, statistics from 2011 show that the average annual rate increase for my constituents in Bolingbrook during the course of that time was 16 percent a year. That's simply unacceptable and I think that the turnover of what had been a public utility, where obviously the constituents have the ability to vote people on and off of a Village Board if that Village Board is not responsive enough, to then place that in the hand… hands of a private company that is not responsible to the constituents by way of voting is basically kind… undemocratic in the process. And as we have seen, the rates substantially increase. It's particularly troubling in this piece of legislation that the upward ceiling 7,500 households has now been removed from this provision so that both Illinois American Water and Aqua can acquire systems that are far larger and then force all their other ratepayers to pick up the cost of that instead of the shareholders. Obviously today, if this Bill passes, if I was… if I was a stakeholder in IAW or Aqua, I would absolutely dancing a jig, because I know that I have income increase for the foreseeable future. But I don't think that this is doing any favors for any of my constituents in Bolingbrook who currently have two lawsuits pending against IAW, both to clawback rates and also to attempt to obtain control along other municipalities over the water supply from Lake Michigan that comes through Bedford Park. So, given the fact that the residents of Bolingbrook have been complaining about their rates, and they have two pending lawsuits against IAW, I obviously cannot support this 10000119.docx 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 legislation. I think it's basically taxation without representation and I would urge a 'no' vote from the Members. Thank you."

"Chair recognizes Representative Wehrli."

"Chair recognizes Representative Reick."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

Speaker Currie: "Representative Currie in the Chair. Representative Guzzardi. Representative Guzzardi."

"Thank you. There we are. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Thanks. Representative Sauer, we talked about this Bill a little bit on the floor and you mentioned some of the proponents. But we… you didn't mention either then or in your presentation of the Bill the environmental groups who were opposed. Can you discuss their opposition briefly?"

"Food and Water Watch, also do you have a sense of the nature…"

"Okay."

"What it is that they might be opposed to about this Bill?"

"Would it be fair to speculate that they might concerned about limited regulation and oversight over these private companies that are running our public water systems?"

"Would it be fair to speculate that they might concerned about diminished regulatory oversight?”

"I understand. To the Bill, briefly. I will do the speculating if Representative Sauer won't. I think that the risk of losing regulatory oversight over our waterways is very serious and the risk of potential environmental damage to our communities is serious as well. I'm also proud to stand in strong agreement with Representative Wehrli about his concerns over privatization of public assets. We’ve seen in the City of Chicago and elsewhere around the country, a tremendous harm to the public when we sell off our public goods for private profit. So I stand in opposition to this Bill. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Representative Phillips."

"He indicates he will."

"Further discussion? Representative Unes."

"Indicates he will."

"Further discussion? Representative Manley."

"Thank you, Speaker. To the Bill. I represent the other half of Bolingbrook that Representative Connor mentioned. We've been inundated with e-mails, calls from our constituents that have found themselves in this situation for a long time. Their rates are high, the village has two pending lawsuits since 2010 to try to get out from under the situation that IAW has gotten them into. And I stand opposed to this Bill and it puts a lot of other municipalities in jeopardy. And while they may find themselves in the same situation that Bolingbrook is in, while they're going through that, everybody else who's in this situation with Bolingbrook pays for this. So, although just really adore the Sponsor, such a nice, young man, I would ask that you do not support this legislation. And I know there's many, many people that are may be hurt by this. So, I would love for you reconsider it at some point. But, I stand opposed. Please vote 'no'."

"Further discussion? Representative Wehrli's name was used in debate and he's taking his option of having a second bite at the apple. Representative Wehrli." 10000119.docx 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Final discussion, Representative Ives."

"Further discussion? Representative McDermed."

"No further discussion. Representative Sauer to close." 10000119.docx 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Representative Sauer moves for passage of House Bill 4508. And on this question, all in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 69 voting 'yes', 37 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Continuing on Third Readings, we have House 10000119.docx 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Bill 5214, Representative Sente. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Sente."

"Thank you. House Bill 5014 (sic-5214) is a routine cleanup Bill to last year's Angel Tax Credit Bill. As with last year's Bill, this is a great Bill for small business and specifically innovative startups. The Bill comes from DCEO. It is bipartisan and without any opponents. The Bill does two things, it revises the definition of applicant to clarify that an Angel Tax Credit investor cannot receive a tax credit for investing in an entity in which the investor has 51 percent or more ownership. The second change is that last year we established two set aside credits for rural areas and areas of high unemployment. This Bill clarifies that if those set-asides are not used up by the end of the third quarter, the unused funds can be rolled into the remaining funds and accessed for credit by any eligible company in the final calendar quarter."

"Representative Sente moves passage of House Bill 5214. And on that, is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're now going to House 10000119.docx 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Bill 4911, Representative Thapedi. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Thapedi."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 4911 is an initiative of the surgeons in the context of outpatient surgeries. It ensures that licensed ambulatory surgical treatment centers and accredited ambulatory surgical treatment facilities are both covered under the auspices of the Health Care Services Lien Act. The concerns of the trial lawyers and the hospitals have all been put aside. There is no opposition, I'm available to answer any and all questions."

"Representative Thapedi moves passage of House Bill 4911. On that, is there any discussion? Seeing none the… on the Motion, all in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We will now go to House Bill 5490, Representative Sosnowski. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Sosnowski."

"Representative Sosnowski moves for passage of House Bill 5490. And on that question, Representative Wehrli, whose name was used in debate, wants to speak. Representative Wehrli."

"No."

"Further discussion? Representative Andersson."

"Representative Sosnowski moves for passage of House Bill 5490. And on that Motion, all in favor vote 'aye'; 10000119.docx 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 opposed 'no'. And voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this… on this Motion, 108 vote 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having… Clerk, please take the record. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Crespo, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Speaker. I'd just like the record to reflect that on House Bill 5214, it was my intention to vote 'yes'.

"The record will so reflect. House Bill 4765, Representative Leader Turner. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Turner."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the Body. House Bill 4765 requires that by January 1, 2020, Cook County must adopt and implement a predictable fee schedule that eliminates surcharges and other additional fees to record standard documents with the County Recorder. Last year, the Legislature passed a law that requires every county, except Cook County, because Cook County's fees were set by different statute, to establish a predictable fee schedule for the… recordation of documents in those counties. The fact that Cook County was not included in this legislation was an oversight. This legislative proposal would allow the Cook County Board to establish a predictable fee schedule that is similar to the one that was passed last year for every other county in Illinois. I know of no opposition and I ask for an 'aye' vote." 10000119.docx 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Representative Turner moves for passage of House Bill 4765. And on that measure, is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this Measure, there are 74 voting 'aye', 37 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're now going to House Bill 5011, that's Representative Spain. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Spain."

"Representative Spain moves for passage of House Bill 5011. And on that is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5696, Representative Welch. Clerk, please read the Bill." 10000119.docx 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Representative Welch."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 5696 creates the Higher Education Statewide Bridge Program. What this Bill would do, it would create a program that would provide access, academic support, and financial aid to students who show promise for succeeding in college. This Bill would help us end what is known summer melt and get those students who would otherwise be in college… in college, in the seats that our universities currently have and hopefully end a lot of the brain drain that's going on in our state. I am not aware of any opposition to this Bill, the University of Illinois has a similar program that's been very successful, and I would ask for your support of House Bill 5696."

"Representative Welch moves for passage of House Bill 5696. And on that, is there any discussion? Representative Ford."

"Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor will yield."

"I just have a real, quick question, seatmate."

"Yes, Sir."

"I've been waiting on this Bill and could you tell me why it take you so long to get your Bills called?"

"I think… I wouldn't say Madam Speaker does it, because she called me today. But I think there's a bias against those of us at the end of the alphabet."

"So, your name has something to do with it?"

"Can we start at the end of the alphabet sometimes?" 10000119.docx 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I have no problem with the process, you know, Ford at the beginning. So, I'm it takes you so long, but just be patient and your time will come."

"It's happened to me my whole life."

"Further discussion? Representative Breen."

"Sponsor will yield."

"Representative, that is correct. It's subject to appropriation."

"That's correct."

"Representative Welch moves for passage of House Bill 5696. All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. And the Clerk will open the record. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this Measure, there are 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Hammond, for what reason do you rise?"

"And the record will so reflect. Representative Kelly Burke, for what reason do you rise." Burke, K: "Thank you, Madam Chair. We have a school group from Blue Island. The Blue Island Veteran's Memorial Middle School. They were here, I think they just disappeared. But we'd love to welcome them to Springfield. Hopefully, they can hear us cheering for them as they walk out of the gallery. Thank you."

"Welcome, and thank you. And now we're going to Senate Bill 2273, Representative Williams. Clerk, please… please read the Bill."

"Representative Williams."

"Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Crosscheck is a program you may have heard of. It's designed to identify potential duplicate voter registrations on voter rolls across states. What this Bill would do would be to prohibit the State Board of Elections from utilizing the Crosscheck system. Instead, utilizing a different system, which they also currently use called the Electronic Registration Information Center, which is called, for short, ERIC. And the Bill also provides the State Board to enter into a share agreement with Indiana. So, the purpose for Crosscheck and for ERIC is to insure that voters aren't being duplicated and getting to vote twice. But there are some significant problems with the program. First, due to very poor data quality, many duplicate names are eliminated simply by mistake. Common names such as Williams, Hernandez, Garcia, Jackson. And unfortunately, 10000119.docx 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 those often disproportionately impact communities of color. Resulting in hundreds of thousands of voters potentially being disenfranchised. Secondly and very troubling, is the issue of voter security. We have identified significant dangers in terms of the security protocols in the Crosscheck program. Things like unencrypted passwords to Illinois voter files e-mailed to Kansas officials. Unencrypted IP addresses, usernames, and passwords to the server were e-mailed back and forth between states. The ERIC program, which is privately managed, has the necessary security protocols to handle this very sensiter… sensitive personal data. There have been numerous press reports on this, some of which said novice hackers could break into this data. And of course we all know that hacking into voter data isn't a far-fetched scenario anymore. So, I'd love to answer any questions but before I do, I wanted to make a special acknowledgement of Indivisible Chicago. Who is the volunteer, grassroots organization that brought this issue to the attention of the Legislature, did all the legwork, did countless hours of research, FOIAed over a dozen states, researched and sorted the data to come up with this excellent and important piece of legislation. All because they wanted to make a difference on an important issue. So, thank you for all our hard work and I'm happy to take any questions."

"Representative Williams moves for passage of House Bill 22… Senate Bill 2273. And on that Motion, Representative Ammons."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Bill."

"To the Bill." 10000119.docx 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"First and foremost, I want to thank Representative Williams for her consistent work on this initiative. This was a very complicated process going forward and the advocates who’ve worked on eliminating Crosscheck from Illinois' usage has put in a number of hours to educating not only Legislators but the general public about this initiative. I want to rise in support of this Senate Bill 2273 to remove Illinois from the Crosscheck Program because in its inception it sounded like a very good deal. The program was free to the State of Illinois and every other surrounding state, but all things that are free are not fair. This program has been used to, in essence, discriminate against people of color in other states in this country, eliminating thousands of legally registered voters from the roll just before the election in 2016. Because of cultural norms and names, i.e. as Representative Williams pointed out, Jackson, Smith, some names that are common names; people who may be carrying those surnames in Illinois, unfortunately, their names were used to eliminate them in other states like North Carolina. This has resulted, unfortunately, in the disenfranchisement of thousands of voter, largely voters of color. And so, because of historic issues around access to the voting rolls and the outcome that has been proven by digital analysis, as well as by stories of voters all over the country whose states have participated in Crosscheck, we are standing today asking for your support in the elimination of this program for our state and the investment into what is known to be a better system. Not without flaws, but with certain protections in data security as well securing the rights of people of Illinois to clean 10000119.docx 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 and clear, fair and accessible elections. And I urge an 'aye' vote in support of Senate Bill 2273. Thank you."

"Further… further discussion? Representative Fortner."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"It's my understanding, Representative, that it is suspended, temporarily, but at any given time it could be reinstated."

"Well, I guess the political answer would be the creator is under some heat. I think he's running for Governor in another state and maybe there's some issues with that. So, there may be some political impacts there. But I would argue that he was concerned or the group behind Crosscheck was concerned about the extreme and abysmal record in terms votes date… voter data security. And we'll note that over eight states have pulled out and it seems to be we hear of a new one every week."

"It is my understanding they have not. But we're concerned about moving forward, making sure that this participation is not an option."

"Yes. And Representative, I want to thank you for your hard work on this. You did work closely with the Crosscheck team and the Amendment provides that the State Board can enter into bilateral agreements with neighboring states which include Indiana, Iowa, and Kentucky. States that don't have the ERIC program currently and the inclusion of that was critical. So, thank you for your efforts in that regard."

"Further discussion? Representative Butler."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"The State of Illinois is already participating in ERIC. But what it does is it eliminates the opportunity to participate in Crosscheck. Which as I mentioned, it's a free system and sometimes you get what you pay for. We already participate in ERIC." 10000119.docx 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Exactly."

"You know, I… their fiscal note was filed and it shows no fiscal impact. And I'll read you the language. No significant fiscal impact on the operations of the State Board of Elections. The Board is already a member of ERIC and all associated costs for our continued participation are covered. So…"

"…it does cost to participate but it's we're already paying for it. So, all this would say is don't do the free system which happens to… you know, I… the previous speaker mentioned that who cares if Illinois voter data is not being impacted here in terms of our own voters. But the problem is, maybe Kansas, maybe Florida is acting responsibly but they're e-mailing back and forth to Illinois. So, Illinois voter data is being impacted whether it's happening within the State of Illinois or not. So, even if our Board acts responsibly, the failures of the system to properly protect data is jeopardizing the security of our voters' information. Any state that doesn't have as high standards as we are, can jeopardize that data and we have seen it happen."

"The Bill." 10000119.docx 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Further discussion? Representative Wallace."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Thank you. So, my question is, is there overlap in the use of Crosscheck with states that also were pretty much exempted after the Supreme Court all but gutted the Voting Rights Act of 1965?"

"Well, as I noted earlier, many states have been pulling out of Crosscheck including most recently Kentucky. I'm not familiar with the nuances of the legislation you mentioned, but Crosscheck, is not providing any value right now. And they are undergoing a security review, but all the data experts have said it takes years to get a system of data protection and data security up to speed. Obviously, the state doesn't have the resources or the IT professional teams that they do in many private corporations and they still are vulnerable to hacking and attack. So, to expect the State Board of Elections to be able to protect our data using this free system that has antiquated security measures is unrealistic. That's one of the reasons why we decided to go 10000119.docx 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 with ERIC and one of the reasons that many states are switching as well."

"Thank you. To the Bill."

"To the Bill."

"I believe that we have to ensure that we protect the citizens of Illinois when we see an issue that may also be a national issue. That is why we're here. We have a system of Crosscheck being employed throughout the state, actually, in seven of the nine states that were formerly protected under Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. However, in 19… or in 2013, that Section was gutted by the current Supreme Court. So, if we are going to make sure that we are going to allow for our citizens to have the greatest access possible to their right to vote, we should be standing against any form of discrimination, any form of disenfranchisement whether it comes at the hand of an individual or at the hand of technology. And so, I want to thank the… the Sponsor of this Bill. And I urge everyone in this chamber to stand with the citizens of Illinois and make sure that we continue to protect the voting rights of all citizens within this state. Again, Crosscheck is being utilized right now in seven of the nine states that lost their protections under the Voting Rights Act of 1965. We can remove ourselves from being part of other lists or discussions and remove ourselves from being part of the disenfranchisement of the common… individuals with common names and families and individuals of color. I encourage an 'aye' vote."

"No further discussion. Representative Williams, do you wish to close?" 10000119.docx 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Yes, please. Just a couple quick things. First of all, to assert that this was an issue that’s political is interesting. The concern about voters being disfranchised should be a concern for all of us regardless of what party we represent. And in fact, some of the data breaches impacted primarily Republican voters. And while I would love to have an optimistic view of someone like Kris Kobach, unfortunately I can't share that perspective about his motivations. Just yesterday, a federal judge held Kris Kobach in contempt of court for failing to follow court orders to register voters. Do we really want to be a part of his voter engagement? I don't think so. Vote 'yes'."

"Representative Williams moves for passage of Senate Bill 2273. All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 63 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next measure is House Bill 4849, Representative Swanson. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Swanson."

"Representative Swanson moves for passage of House Bill 4849. And on that, there is no discussion. All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 110 voting 'yes'… 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this… this Motion, having… this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Then we go to House Bill 5221, Representative Willis. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Willis."

"Thank you, Madam Chair. This Bill is an initiative of the Associated Fire Fighters of Illinois. It is a very narrow scoped Bill. What it does is it looks at six small locals in the central and southern part of the state. These locals are Mascoutah, Menard County, Morton, Highland, Troy, and Union County. These are simply EMS locals. And the problem and the issue that we have is these are full-time paramedics that are employed by the units of their government. And they wish to be part of the Public Employee Disability Act so that they are covered for workmen's comp disabilities that could happen while they are on duty. This is an Act that is specifically made for these public employee… employees. And I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you." 10000119.docx 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Representative Willis moves for passage of House Bill 5221. And on that, is there any discussion? Representative Keith Wheeler." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor will yield." Wheeler, K.: "Representative, we had a good discussion on this in Labor Committee last week. We want to just make sure, on the record here. We had talked at that time about there being a couple of Amendments that will bring it together for one kind of consolidated Bill. I just want to make it so our Members understand what the plan is now from where we were before."

"Actually, there are go… it was decided that it was probably too in… too big of a Bill to consolidate together. So, we'll be bringing forth, in fact, in Labor this afternoon we have two additional Bills that will take care of the situation on other issues besides just including them in the PETA." Wheeler, K.: "Okay. There… there's one…"

"So, thank you, Representative…" Wheeler, K.: "Appreciate the clarification."

"…for bringing that up." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you."

"Further discussion? Representative Batinick."

"Will yield."

"This is a total of only 60… 60 members is what it is. So, it actually would not have… be minimal because all it does is includes them into the opportunity to go for the disability if they get injured on the job. No injury, no fiscal impact."

"Further discussion? Representative Breen."

"Sponsor will yield."

"What it is doing…"

"So, there are… there are 60 paramedics. Yes, you're correct. And what it is, is that the reason we have to do it as different pieces of legislation is it addresses the benefits and the… basically it's for the benefits that these individuals have, but it's under a different Acts in the government. And so, it's because of that we have to separate it out. And that… that's where it comes from. So, I understand the confusion on it. But the most important thing I can state is that these are members that are employed by the local units of government. So, they are not contract members. They are actually employees of the local units of government." 10000119.docx 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"What it does is it addresses them in…"

"It… it addresses…"

"…them in different things. And I'll be happy to clarify that when we get before the labor unit."

"Well, as I… you know, as I told you when we initially did it, it was my intent to incorporate these all together. But it was advised by the Research Bureau that they could not be done together. So, I'm just going by their advice."

"To my knowledge, they have not weighed in any opposition at all."

"They obviously are happy with their employees and want to offer the best benefits that they can to them." 10000119.docx 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Their opposition, if I recall right, was just to the intent that… I actually… I'll tell you, honestly I can't… I'm not going to pull it. I'm not sure what their opposition was. I don't recall exactly anymore."

"I see no reason to do duplicative Bills. No, I do not."

"Well, there are…"

"…there are municipalities that hire out private paramedic services, but that’s not what this is addressing."

"So, the most… the majority of community firefighters are firefighter-paramedics. The majority, but that is not in every place. So, but this is… this is the only six bargaining unit members to the AAFI that are strictly EMS and not firefighters also. And that is because these six municipalities do volunteer fire departments, but they saw 10000119.docx 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 the need to make sure that they had permanent EMS in their communities for the safety of their citizens."

"Further discussion? Representative Reick."

"Sponsor will yield."

"Yes."

"These six locals are… yes. They are locals that are registered with the AFFI."

"They are…"

"There are not firefighters in these houses. That's the whole problem. These locals are strictly EMS. They are not firefighters and EMS. They are only EMS."

"They have… they are volunteer fire departments."

"The paramedics are, yes."

"The EMS people are, yes."

"Because they…"

"No. This is a… because this is a Public Employee Disability Act it… they don't qualify under the definition to be able to get the disabilities that we, as a state, have determined that all firefighters to have. So, it's not an art… it's not arbitration for their wages or their working conditions or anything like that, it just states that they need to be eligible to be part of the Public Employee Disability Act. That's all this states."

"So, it has absolutely nothing to do with the true benefit things. Just allows them that opportunity in there."

"No further discussion? Representative Willis to close."

"I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Willis moves the passage of House Bill 5221. All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 101 voting 'yes', 8 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5553, Representative Zalewski. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Zalewski."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 5553 is the state… as far as I can tell, the state's first Bill dealing with blockchain technology. The… myself, Representative Andrade, the Gentleman from Oswego on the other side of the aisle, and the administration worked on a task force last fall dealing with blockchain technology, the Illinois Blockchain Initiative. This happens to be an area where Illinois is a thought leader in the United States. This particular piece of legislation would authorize use of smart contracts on the blockchain in Illinois, which grant us great flexibility when it comes to documents allowing for smart contracts to have binding affect. It's, again, I think the first of its kind in Illinois. And if it goes well, this certainly has the potential to continue our reputation as… as a place where these businesses can grow. So, I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Zalewski moves for passage of House Bill 5553. And on that question, Representative Keith Wheeler." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Madam Chair. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor will yield." Wheeler, K.: "Representative, I want to thank you for bringing this Bill. And also, thank you and Representative Andrade for the work on the task force that put a lot of this in place. Frankly, this is a really one of our rare opportunities where Illinois becomes at the forefront of a technology, forefront of what would be an industry moving forward that can transform how government works and in a lot of ways, how the private sector will work as well. So, I would like to just personally 10000119.docx 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 thank folks from the Cook County Recorder of Deeds, DCEO, and all members of the task force as well as the Sponsor and Representative Andrade, again, for their hard work on this. Love to be a part of it. Thank you."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Representative Zalewski moved for passage of House Bill 5553. All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 111 voting 'yes', 1 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4317, Representative Unes. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Unes."

"Representative Unes moves for passage of House Bill 4317. Seeing no discussion, all in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We now go to House Bill 5693, Representative Walsh. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Walsh."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 5693 is an initiative of the Illinois Trappers Association. Basically, under current statute, a trap must be tagged with the trapper's name and address. All this would do would… require them to identify their trap with a customer identification number that's on their trapping license. They consider this a privacy issue. I know of no opponents and happy to answer any questions." 10000119.docx 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Representative Walsh moves for passage of House Bill 5693. And seeing no discussion, all in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this measure, there are 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having achieved the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're now moving to Second Readings. And the first… the first Bill, on page 10 of the Calendar, is House Bill 4595, Representative Fine. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Speaker Currie: "Please hold the Bill on Second Reading. Representative McCombie, for what reason do you rise?"

"Representative Martwick, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Can the record reflect that on the last Bill that was on Third Reading, I think it was 5693… I'm not sure what the number was… that my… my switch did not function, I… I mean, I wish to be recorded as having voted 'yes'."

"The record will so reflect. Continuing on Second Reading, House Bill 4081, Representative Halpin. Clerk, please read the Bill." 10000119.docx 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Third Reading. All right. Continuing on Second Readings. House Bill 4936, Representative Demmer. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4900, Representative Guzzardi. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Representative Guzzardi? Bill's on Third. House Bill 4754, Representative Kelly Burke. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Burke." Burke, K.: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Amendment is a gut and replace that incorporates the underlying Bill and then just adds some provisions at the request of the elder law attorneys 10000119.docx 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 that would allow proceeds from the settlement to be deposited into an ABLE account."

"On the Amendment is… all in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 4828, Representative Cassidy. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4288, Representative Hammond. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Hammond."

"Representative Chapa LaVia, do you wish to speak to the Amendment or the Bill? The Amendment?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just want to thank the… will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield." 10000119.docx 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Thank you. I just want to thank the Sponsor for her integrity and working this Bill out with us for committee. So, thank you. And I suggest that it be adopted…"

"…and we vote 'yes'."

"Representative Hammond has moved the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 4288. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 5599, Representative Conyears-Ervin. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5156, Representative Feigenholtz. Clerk, please read the Bill. I'm sorry. It was 5155."

"Third Reading. Representative… House Bill 4885, Representative Wallace. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"And Representative Wallace, are you handling the Amendment for Representative Gabel?" 10000119.docx 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Yes."

"Proceed."

"As soon as my system is working appropriately. Thank you. That's okay. So, House Floor Amendment 2 to House Bill 4885 makes some procedural changes to make sure that we are adequately serving families that are needing intact services. I ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Wallace moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 4885. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments…

"…Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 5341, Representative Gordon-Booth. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Wait. Sorry. Excuse me. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 1010, Representative Greenwood. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Greenwood. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 49… House Bill 3418, Representative Harper. Clerk, please read the Bill." 10000119.docx 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Representative Harper."

"I move to adopt the Amendment."

"You want to explain the Amendment?"

"Sure. So, the Amendment makes a couple of different changes. And instead of a county board, the Board of Commissioners forming the board will have the authority to… to grant urban ag zones."

"The Amendment, all in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. I'm sorry. Wait a minute. Representative Breen, do you want to speak on the Amendment?"

"Sure. We wanted to make sure that we were only referring to blighted areas and metropolitan statistical areas of the state in the Bill. And so, the language was changed to make it… make sure we were only including urban areas."

"Yes."

"The Bill is now on Third Reading. House Bill 4165, Representative Greg Harris. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4866, Representative Wheeler. Clerk, please read the Bill. Oops, misspoke, 4855. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Wheeler." Wheeler, B.: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to pass the Amendment. The Amendment amends the FOID Act. Number 1, it clarifies the definition for patient. Two, it extends the time for ISP to make a determination on the renewal and the current card will remain valid. Three, it provides by rule for ISP to suspend the card during an investigation."

"All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 4345, Representative Jones. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Jones on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Madam Chair. Floor Amendment #1 to the Bill just makes a technical change. It changes the date from the third Friday to… I'm sorry… from May 19 to the third Friday of each year. I ask for its adoption."

"All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 4774, Representative Kifowit. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Out… out of the record. Sorry. Out of the record. House Bill 5109, Representative Lang. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Amendment 2 removes some language from the Bill as created by House Floor Amendment #1 that was recommended by ISAC. I know of no opponents."

"All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?" 10000119.docx 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Third Reading. House Bill 4661, Representative Martwick. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4724, Representative Phelps Finnie. Clerk, please read the Bill. No, wait. Out of the record. House Bill 4669, Representative Stratton. 4469, Representative… Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Stratton."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Floor Amendment #4 makes two technical changes. One that provides language indicating that county sheriffs will facilitate an opportunity for individuals who are being detained pretrial to vote. And it also removed opposition from the Illinois Sheriff's Association. And secondly, there's a clarification that counties with 3 million… a population of 3 million or more are exempted from the vote by mail option."

"Discussion on the Amendment? Representative Breen."

"Sponsor will yield." 10000119.docx 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"It… the clarifications… excuse me… under House Floor Amendment #4 specifically speaks to counties with a population of 3 million or more. And it clarifies that they would… for example, Cook County is doing on-site… has a temporary on-site polling place. As a county with 3 million or more, they wanted to make sure that it was not including that they also had an obligation to do any other type of… of accommodation for voting."

"Any other county can decide what's best for that county. That's what… that's the… I know I'm not speaking to the Bill, per se, but yes…"

"…under the Bill, they can do whatever they'd like which would facilitate voting for that county."

"The goal is to make sure that everyone has an opportu… who is eligible to vote can vote. For populations 3… under 3 million, that can be vote by mail or whatever process they want to come up with as a county. If it's more than 3 million, in… as a population, then that's where they do not have to do the vote by mail if they don't want to. They can just do the on-site temporary voting… polling place."

"That's the goal of the Bill, yes."

"Correct."

"All in favor of the Amendment vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'… say 'aye'; opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments, Clerk?"

"Third Reading. We'll now go to House Bill 5786, Representative Mayfield. Representative Mayfield, are you ready to move… Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Mayfield." 10000119.docx 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Let's see. House Floor Amendment 1 just provides a provision that allows for the use of mental health providers."

"Is there any discussion on the Amendment? Representative Breen."

"I'm sorry. What was your question?"

"House Floor Amendment… oh, actually, House Floor Amendment 2 only changes a word. It changes from… the word from 'shall' to 'may'. That's all it does. It's a one word change."

"Yes."

"All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 4964, Representative Wallace. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 4247, Representative McSweeney. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 4688, Representative Kelly Burke. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Burke." Burke, K.: "Thank you, Madam Chair. The 46… the Amendment to 40… 4688 is a Nursing Home Administrators Licensing and Disciplinary Act. We extended the sunset simply at the end of Veto Session. And now, this is an agreed Bill between the department and the… and the nursing home administrators as to some changes in their Licensing and Disciplinary Act. I know of no opponents. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 5795, Representative Chapa LaVia. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Sorry. Sorry. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 5157, Representative Feigenholtz. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Madam Chair, Members of the House. This Amendment provides an agreement between the Department of Children and Family Services and the Public Guardian, who had some concerns. I'm happy to answer any questions."

"On the Amendment, Representative Breen."

"Sponsor will yield."

"If they're… could you… if they are available, if the parents are involved and that's kind of what the Amendment articulates. And it steps through some very, very specific circumstances which ultimately need to be proved up in the juvenile court to a judge."

"Of course, of course."

"All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendment… Motions?"

"Third Reading. Let's go back to House Bill 5795, Representative Chapa LaVia. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4416, Representative Fine. Clerk… out of the record. House Bill 1439, Representative Gordon-Booth. Representative Gordon-Booth. Representative Gordon-Booth, do you want to move this Bill? Clerk, please… out of the record. House Bill 5196, Representative Greenwood, are you ready with this? Clerk, please read… no. Out of the record. House Bill 5481, Representative Guzzardi. Let’s move… Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5257, Representative Bellock. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4346, Representative Jones. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1336, Representative Lang. Please Clerk… please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5497, Representative Martwick. Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Madam. I… on that previous Bill, 1336, there's a committee Amendment that I'm going on today. Can we move that back to Second Reading, please?"

"Please put the Bill back on Second Reading. Representative Martwick. I don't see him. Let us try House Bill 5754, Representative Phelps Finnie. Do you want to move the Bill? Out of the record. House Bill 5153, Representative Davidsmeyer. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4964, Representative Wallace. I think we held that Bill on Second Reading. But has there been a filing of the note? No… okay. We'll keep the 10000119.docx 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Bill on Second Reading until all the notes are filed. House Bill 5210, Representative Demmer. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill… House Bill 5148, Representative Kifowit. Representative Kifowit. Representative Kifowit. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4583, Representative Halbrook. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5636, Representative Meier. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Meier."

"You… you had filed an Amendment. And the question is, do you wish us to adopt the Amendment?"

"You want to tell us what the Amendment does?" 10000119.docx 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"On the Amendment, Representative Wallace. Do you wish to speak on the Amendment? No. All right. And on… on the Amendment, all in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 5122, Representative Welch. No. Out of the record. House Bill 4944, Representative Sauer. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Sauer."

"All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 4879, Representative Spain. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5167, Representative Unes. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Unes."

"Do you want to withdraw Amendment 1? You may withdraw Amendment 1. Let's move to Amendment #2."

"Representative Unes."

"All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 1010, Representative Greenwood. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Greenwood."

"Thank you, Madam Chair. House Floor Amendment #1 is a technical change."

"You want to describe it?"

"It changes references to committeeman to committeeperson and chairman to chairperson throughout the Election Code."

"Sounds very technical. All in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

Speaker Currie: "Third Reading. House Bill 40… 4081, Representative Halpin. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House… we're back on Third Readings. House Bill 4081. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Halpin."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 4081 is the Call Center Worker Act. This Bill essentially requires businesses that operate call centers in the State of Illinois to notify the Illinois State Treasurer if they decide to move those operations out of state or overseas. It provides, further, that any company on that list in ineligible for a period of five years from receiving state loans, and grants, and credits and would also have to give back a portion of those credits that it may have earned in previous years. This is a… is an 10000119.docx 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 effort to try to ensure that call center workers here in the State of Illinois are protected. And it's also a consumer protection Bill to provide a protection against identity theft, data breaches and other similar issues that we've seen over the past couple years as businesses decide to locate their call centers overseas where the law doesn't protect American citizens the way it should. And so, I'm happy to ask… answer any question on this Bill, but I would ask for a 'yes' vote."

"Representative Halpin moves passage of House Bill 4081. And on that question, Representative Breen."

"He will."

"This Bill is for call centers. And if you do read the complete Bill, the context of the Bill is very clear that we're talking about incoming and outcoming call center operations and customer service operations that are connecting consumers to the company."

"I think when you…"

"I can appreciate that argument, Representative, but that's not the intent of the Bill and it's not the way it's written. The Bill's written to say that if a company intends to relocate the call center and moves at least 30 percent of the prior call volume from the previous year, then that is when the law is triggered."

"They become ineligible for a period of five years. And I think if you'll recall, I passed a… or a Bill last year that involved outsourcing of other jobs. And there was considerable complaint from the other side of the aisle that it was a complete bar to receiving benefits. And I want to say, I have listened to you, I have heard that and this is a temporary bar. It also allows the State Treasurer to certify that the eligibility requirement can be waived if it is going to cause a substantial loss of jobs, if there's a national security issue as well. So, there are provisions to avoid that under certain circumstances."

"Excuse me?" 10000119.docx 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Our colleague in the other chamber decided that it was not going to be passed."

"But we… we all know that we can't trust their judgement, Representative."

"So, what it does is, it makes you ineligible for future years' incentives and makes you give back the unamortized portion of any benefits you've already received. So, again, under previous Bills, I had asked those companies to give back the entirety of the benefits that they received. And this… this Bill I took a different approach. And they're only going to have to give back any unamortized benefits that they may have received."

"To the Bill."

Speaker Currie: "Further discussion? Representative Keith Wheeler." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you. Representative, we talked about this Bill a little bit in committee. And I'm going back to fall upon on part of the conversation you just had with my colleague in regard to definition of 'call center'. And I'm reading the exact text here, not analysis, the actual words you wrote that don't have anything to do with bat… it doesn't say 'call center' anywhere in the definition of 'call center'. This isn't… or back office operations. That could be anybody 10000119.docx 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 doing anything. It could be accounting, bookkeeping, any kind of clerical recordkeeping. We'd call that… yes, human resources are all part of that. This is too vague. So, my concern, among many in this Bill, but specifically about this definition, is that a good lawyer will look at this and they'll look at the penalty Section. And it says the failure to report a relocation of non-call center workers to somewhere else could result in a $10 thousand a day fine. That's what is written here. I know that it may not be your intention, but we know what's written and not what the intention is. So, Representative, I'd wish you'd pull this and work on this some more because this really isn't I think what you're trying to do."

"Representative, I… is that a question?" Wheeler, K.: "It is."

"Okay. So, I guess to answer your question, (a) when you're defining the term 'call center', putting the words 'call center' into the definition is self-defeating. And I think any good attorney is going to look at the entirety of this Bill and read the statute in its entirety and understand that when you relocate at least 30 percent of your call volume, at a… at a com… at an employer that employs at least 50 people in their customer service or back office operations, that is the standard by which they're going to be judged. It's a very simple standard and it's one that's easily enforceable." Wheeler, K.: "I beg to differ and I think that's one of the problems of the Bill. Secondly, Representative, are you aware that many companies use internet phone based systems now?" 10000119.docx 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I believe so." Wheeler, K.: "And those internet… internet phone systems allow them to use workers in many different locations and shift call traffic to certain locations when needed based on a load, or available resources, or personnel."

"That may be. I'm not… I'm not an expert in that field." Wheeler, K.: "And I guess that's part of my concern because I think this Bill is treating it like Illinois is some separate island from the rest of the country or the world when it comes to how we do customer service in today's market. In today's market, we work with everybody all over the place all the time. And the idea that we're going to say, well, we're going to have some geographic border that's going to say our call center base is going to be in Illinois for part of this, but not for a part in the other day. This… this makes it almost impossible to track."

"So, you say that we worked with everyone in the country and throughout the world and that's part of the problem. This Bill is trying to address a serious concern where companies are looking out of… out of the United States that… with countries that don't have consumer protection laws, they don't have data privacy protections. And you've seen case after case where companies are fined because their call centers have released private data. The Washington Post reported that there was a major security problem with… with Indian call centers." Wheeler, K.: "Representative, when I said 'we'…"

"This is… it's a widespread problem that we need to address in Illinois." 10000119.docx 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Wheeler, K.: "Okay. I understand where you're going. That's part of it. As far as the data privacy, I'm a big advocate for that. However, my 'we' that I defined there was 'we' being here in Illinois. 'We' being companies based in Illinois. We reprise call center response to people all over the country. And we may have companies that have different agencies, different departments in different states and different resources in different states. Some are on contract, some are not. There's no flexibility with the Bill you've written here for that part of it. And that's the troubling part of it to me. We are driving people away from using the Illinois as a call center rather than bringing them here."

"If flexibility means taking jobs out of the State of Illinois and overseas then that's not a flexibility we should be giving these companies." Wheeler, K.: "What about the other states if…"

"We need to encourage… we need to encourage Illinois companies to continue to employ Illinois workers, especially if they're receiving Illinois taxpayer money." Wheeler, K.: "Okay. Representative, the idea is that… that some of these jobs… a company could move jobs to another location, another state, while still growing jobs in Illinois. This will still trigger a penalty based on your language. Is that correct?"

"Representative, I prefer to have a Bill that deals with outsourcing in general, in fact, we tried to pass that Bill. We passed it here out of the House. This is identified to address a particular issue in a particular industry and I'm dealing with that right now. If we want to talk about further 10000119.docx 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 preventing outsourcing in general, I'm happy to have that conversation and pass that Bill again." Wheeler, K.: "I appreciate that. To the Bill."

"To the Bill." Wheeler, K.: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill does not hit the target it's trying to hit in the first place. The definitions are poor. The penalties are open to legal interpretation of which could cause great grief for Illinois companies we are actually trying to help. The state… the state incentive programs that are unamortized will be removed from these companies for doing nothing that they don't consider a normal business operation now, even keeping employees here in the state… in the United States. This really is not… this really should be called the Anti Call Center Worker Act because it's going to prevent companies from coming here and actually creating call centers that hire call center workers in Illinois. Please vote 'no'."

"Representative Demmer to add to the list of excused absences."

Speaker Currie: "Further discussion on House Bill 4081? Representative Ives."

"Yes."

"I think…"

"Right."

"Amazon's going to make its own decision where it's going to locate its second headquarters. As the State of Illinois, we need to think about the long-term future of the residents here. And I think preventing outsourcing or rewarding companies with huge incentives without any kind of investment… long-term investment in the State of Illinois is the wrong policy."

"Which Bi…"

"That's not my Bill. I don't recall which number that was."

"I… I would point out Representative, that it's my understanding that that Bill did have a clawback provision if 10000119.docx 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 the companies aren't making the jobs, or creating the jobs, or retaining the jobs that they're supposed to, those incentives comes back to the State of Illinois taxpayer."

"Amazon…"

"…Amazon or any other company looking to relocate is going to look at the State of Illinois. In this case it's going to look at the City of Chicago, see the growth in Chicago, see the economic development there, see the trained workforce, see the infrastructure that they need to survive and they're going to make their decision."

"To the Bill." 10000119.docx 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Further discussion? Leader Durkin."

"He will." 10000119.docx 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I don't have a number of businesses, Representative."

"Representative, the answer is that any business that operates a call center and has 50… 50 or more employees and relocates at least 30 percent of their call volume from the previous year is… is going to be affected by this Bill. And those businesses will know what… will know who they are."

"I don't have that number, Representative."

"That's correct."

"That's correct." 10000119.docx 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I mean, that's going to be up to the Treasurer. And I would suggest that any business that does have that… that issue would speak with the Treasurer's Office."

"I… I guess, I'm not clear on your question, Representative."

"The… the Treasurer has the authority to impo… to impose the… the violation… or to determine the violation."

"I believe so, Representative. I…"

"I… I am not sure."

"Representative, I would leave that to the discretion of the Treasurer. There's already provisions in here regarding the eligibility for future state funds. It involves substantial job losses. It involves national security. And 10000119.docx 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 that… those of course would be, I believe, factors that would influence the Treasurer's decision."

"But…"

"Rep…"

"Representative, I would point out that this is a penalty just for failing to notify the Treasurer. If he… if a business is going to relocate, this law… this Bill does not say that they can't relocate. All they have to do is notify the Treasurer within a reasonable amount of time and they avoid… they avoid that penalty."

"I believe it's 120 days."

"Further discussion? Representative Fortner."

"He will."

"If… if this is triggered, and the company notifies the Treasurer that they plan to relocate their call centers, the… it goes on the Treasurer's list and anyone on that list would 10000119.docx 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 be ineligible for future benefits for five years. And then would also have to return the unamortized portion."

"Further discussion? Representative Batinick."

"He will."

"I haven't talked to out-of-state companies, Representative. This is a Bill about protecting Illinois jobs and Illinois workers. This is… this is about stopping a trend for companies that already may be in the State of Illinois from taking those jobs overseas where the workers… a) the workers aren't protected and b) the consumer data isn't protected."

"To the Bill."

"Your request will be noted. Further discussion? Representative McDermed."

"And the… the Sponsor will yield to a question."

"It called the Call Center Worker Act because we're trying to protect call center worker jobs here in the State of Illinois, prevent them from going to low-wage labor overseas that aren't going to protect your… your data privacy."

"There… there is… there is a definition…"

"There is… there is a definition of call center in the Act. And it also specifically… and also specific…"

"Yes. And it also specifically indicates that when call center volume is the triggering effect."

"I don't…"

" That's not…"

"Well, that's… I mean, that's not necessarily true."

"If you're not on the factory floor?"

"Yeah. I mean, you could……"

"…you could be doing accounting. You could be…"

"You could be management."

"Yeah."

"And you just named a couple of things, if you're not on the floor, you're not necessarily making calls. You could be in the IT department. You could be in the sales department. You could be in the accounting department and you're not…" 10000119.docx 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"So, this is… it is not. I mean, the ides is we're trying to protect the call center…"

"So, the fact that you're using…"

"If I could answer… if I could answer your question, Representative. The fact that you're using a telephone at work does not make you a call center representative."

"And I think… and it…"

"Yes, it does. Respectfully, Representative, I think you're intentionally obscuring the… the language of the Bill. It talks about call center volume. That is… it is… it is clear that is not some management official on the phone that's trying to make a sale to someone that hasn't… that hasn't bought product from that company before. And I appreciate some of your concerns, but that's not what the… the Bill says. It is not that broad. And it is not what we're trying to address here."

"Bill."

"Further discussion? Representative Manley."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor will yield."

"First of all, Mike, I want to congratulate you. You've pretty much performed a miracle. You've got the entire other side of the aisle siding with the City of Chicago. That's commendable. So, let's go through this… let's do this slowly and clearly so that there's less hysteria. And let's talk about… tell me what… tell me when you first brought this Bill to me and asked for my support, tell me what you said to me."

"I said we're trying to protect Illinois jobs. There's no…"

"Okay. Did we hear that? We're trying to protect Illinois jobs… Go ahead."

"We're trying to protect Illinois consumer data."

"We're trying to protect Illinois consumer… these are wonderful things. Is every… okay, that's easy. Go ahead."

"And we're generally just trying to reverse the trend of companies offshoring these jobs for lower wages and for less adequate protections."

"Let's talk about the state grants and loans 'cause I think that's a real important part of this legislation. So, 10000119.docx 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 the… so, the company decides they're going to relocate. They're no longer eligible for state grants or loans for five years, correct?"

"That's correct."

"And why is that important?"

"So, it's important to make sure that when… when a company is receiving benefits from the taxpayers of the State of Illinois, and the State of Illinois is essentially investing in their ability to operate in Illinois, that if they decide to cut and run and try to get cheaper labor someplace else and try to go with laxed computer…"

"Okay. Now, that is the most important part. Say that again because we've been fighting about this for as long as I've been here. Five years we've talked about businesses that come in, they take advantage of TIFs or anything else they're granted and then when that’s up they leave. They take our jobs. They take with them the generosity of the taxpayers of Illinois and they leave. This Bill prohibits that basically."

"Correct. If they were… if Illinois is going to invest in a business, the business is going to continue to invest in Illinois. And if they don't want to, that's fine. If they want to relocate, that's fine, but they have to say, no, we're not going to keep the taxpayer money that you gave us when we… when we started this."

"So, they have to notify the Treasurer's Office within 120 days. That's the… that's the major stipulation?"

"That's correct."

"And if… and none of this… the rest of this applies if they don't… if they do that? They…" 10000119.docx 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"If they notify… yeah. If they notify them within time, there's no penalty. There's no… there's no violation of the Act."

"Okay."

"As I said, companies are not prohibited from making business decisions that off… outsource and offshore our jobs. Sadly, it doesn't do that, but I… I don't think that would be appropriate under the circumstances."

"And these are… these are businesses that have more than 50 employees?"

"That's correct."

"Full-time or part… or do they include…"

"They… it excludes part-time employees."

"Okay. So, 50 or more full-time employees?"

"That's correct."

"Okay. I think… to the Bill. I think this Bill is long overdue…"

"To the Bill."

"…and much needed. And so, I am in full support of this. Representative Halpin, thank you for this legislation and for bringing this before us and actually doing the thing we keep talking about we want to do, protecting taxpayers from having their tax dollars used up and then taken away along with our jobs. Thank you very much."

"Representative Willis."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield, please?"

"The Sponsor will yield." 10000119.docx 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"So, this Bill does… from my understanding… and please correct me as go through… does a number of things. If I choose to work for the State of Illinois, I have to commit that I will keep all of my employees in the State of Illinois or certainly those that are in the call center. Is that correct?"

"I'm sorry. Could you say that again? I had a little trouble hearing."

"If I am a contractor with the State of Illinois, my commitment then to the state states that I will keep all of my employees, certainly those that are on what we call a call center, in the State of Illinois?"

"Yes, that's correct. And if I could, Representative. I do need to go back to the prior Representative's question. I did misspeak. Part-time employees are included, if in the aggregate. If they have 50 part-time employees and they work more than 1500 hours in the aggregate per week. So, I just wanted to clarify that. If a… if a company has a sufficient number of part-time employees, then it is triggered."

"Okay. So, if I just had a small amount, it would not…"

"Correct."

"…qualify for this."

"That's correct."

"Okay. And it doesn't state that any business in the State of Illinois can't move out their call center. It just states that they cannot then get the benefit of a DCEO grant or some other type of state rebate, correct?"

"Okay. So, all in all this is a good business, good for Illinois Bill, correct?"

"Absolutely."

"Great. Then I urge this… to the Bill. I urge the entire Body to please support this. We're always spouting on how great Illinois is. Well, put your money where your mouth is. Vote 'yes' on this Bill. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Representative Hays."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"I say that if Illinois will bring call center jobs… or businesses will bring call center jobs to Illinois to make sure that… and they're going to receive Illinois taxpayer money, they should commit to stay in Illinois. They should commit to paying their workers a fair wage. And they should commit to telling their workers in advance if they're going to leave the state. And just…"

"…just because you say it in a loud voice doesn't make it anymore true."

"Further discussion? Representative Wehrli."

"The previous question is moved. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the previous question is moved. Remember that there has been a request for a verification. So, on the… on the issue, Representative Halpin moves for passage of House Bill 4081. All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all… have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this Motion, there are 61 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no'. And Representative Batinick has requested a 10000119.docx 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 verification. If the Clerk would read the… the affirmative votes."

Speaker Currie: "Representative Batinick, do you have any questions of the affirmative Roll Call?"

"Representative Ford. Representative Ford is in the back of the chamber."

"Representative Feigenholtz is in her chair."

"Thank you. You withdraw your…"

"Okay. So, on this Motion, there are… yeah. This Motion, having received the appropriate number of votes, this… House Bill 4081 is declared passed. We're now going to get on Third Reading to House Bill 4900, Representative Guzzardi. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Guzzardi."

"Thank you, Madam Chair, Members of the House. I rise today to present House Bill 4900. As we know the cost of prescription drugs is burdening families around this state. People, especially our seniors who are on fixed incomes, are forced to choose between paying their bills, buying their groceries, and filling life-saving prescriptions. It's a complicated problem with lots of causes. We're here today to address one of those causes which is price gouging in the 10000119.docx 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 generic and off-patent drug industries. You might think of this as the Martin Shkreli problem, the famous 'Pharma Bro', whose company raised the price of a life-saving drug from $13 a pill to $750 a pill. We've heard of examples on Epi-pens. We also talk about Legionnaires. You know, it was… it's been in the news a lot lately. Erythromycin is a common antibiotic that's used to treat Legionnaires and it has been… also seen enormous pricing increases, 3,700 percent in recent years. Essentially, this Bill will empower the Attorney General to investigate companies that engage in price gouging. They'll ask those drug companies why they raise their prices so much. If the company can explain it, that's fine. But if the only reason that they raise prices was simply to make money, the Attorney General can bring action in court and seek remedies on behalf of consumers. Most generic drugs do a great job of bringing down prices, but for the ones who are engaging in this price gouging, we need tools to fight back. So, I ask for your 'aye' vote to lower prescription drug prices for consumers and for the State of Illinois."

"Rep… Representative Guzzardi has moved for passage of House Bill 4900. And on that Motion, Representative Breen."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"We didn't make a commitment to bring it back to committee. We passed it out of committee in the Human Services Committee. There is an Amendment that I filed that I'm hoping to upend in the Senate which makes a few technical changes. And in fact, makes a concession to the opponents of the Bill around very low cost prescription drugs."

"Correct."

"That's correct."

"If they believe that that company is engaged in price gouging under the statute, yes."

"Just one at the moment. It was passed in Maryland last year. We're excited to follow in their footsteps. A number of other states have filed similar legislation this year as well."

"They had a pretty good college basketball team for a while, I digress."

"So…"

"…to be… to be clear, these are all at the discretion of the Attorney General's Office. So, they are going to be looking at… so, the 30 percent increase over the course…"

"The 30 percent increase over the course of one year. I… I can't speak to your levels of subjective confidence, but the 30 percent con… increase over one year is a… a considerable increase in the cost of a drug. And so, that begins an investigatory process. So, the drug company is given the opportunity to demonstrate that that increase was reasonable, that it was caused by changes in the course of cost of production or in the cost of marketing. If they can't demonstrate that it was a reasonable increase, then the Attorney General can file an action in front of the courts. And the courts can determine if, indeed, price gouging was undertaken." 10000119.docx 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Well… so… well, we keep hearing from the generic industry as we discuss this Bill over and over is that generics are driving costs down. And for the majority of generic drugs… in fact, they're engaging in healthy open market competition and they're driving costs down. So, if they are in fact acting in good faith as they claim to be, then they won't have any problems running up against the provisions of this Bill."

"Right."

"So, Representative, if your fundamental position is that these businesses should be allowed to engage in price gouging because it's a free market principle, then you and I are going to disagree on this Bill. But the folks who have to buy these prescriptions, your constituents, who have to pay for Epi-pens, who saw a 600 percent increase in the price of that life-saving medication, they might disagree with you." 10000119.docx 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"It doesn't…"

"It doesn't apply only to generics. It applies to off- patent prescriptions as well. The drugs that…"

"Some are, some aren't. But the… the drug that it doesn't cover are on-patent drugs, patented pharmaceuticals. And the reason it doesn't address those is because those are governed by Federal Patent Law. But I would also say, on that question, you know, put it to you like this. I grew up with an older brother, who's very close in age to me, and when I would do something bad, Representative Breen, I would sometimes say to my parents but he did something worse. My brother did this worse thing. And they would say to me that's not an excuse for the bad thing that you've done. So just because there's bad actors in the on-patent pharmaceutical industry, doesn't mean that these folks should be able to get away with price gouging."

"Well…"

"Representative, it's…"

"Yeah. Well, Representative…"

"Sure. Representative, the unfortunate fact is that in many of these medications, which are required for people to survive because they're very ill, there is only a single manufacturer of those drugs and they raise the prices by hundreds or thousands of percent simply to make a profit on the backs of your sick constituents."

"That to me…"

"…seems like a reasonable and worthwhile cause…"

"…for legislative action…"

"…to protect the people of Illinois in your district, and mine, and everyone else's."

"Simply to make a bigger profit." 10000119.docx 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Well, so that’s… that's an important point because, as I said, this Bill…"

"Hold on, Representative. Let me just…"

"Let… let me answer that…"

"Let me answer your question, Representative."

"So, there are… this Bill covers two different things, generic drugs and off-patent drugs. Off-patent drugs often only have one exclusive manufacturer, okay? Generic drugs, as a matter of fact, a recent study from the University of Chicago by a health economist named Dr. Rena Conti, she says that 40 percent of generic drugs manufactured in this country also only have one manufacturer. And over 50 percent of them only have two manufacturers. So, the fact is that we're not operating in a robust dynamic free market. There is a very small handful of companies that manufacture these drugs which leads to the potential… as I'm sure as a free market guy you understand… when there's limited competition that leads to anticompetitive practices like price gouging."

"Representative, that's…"

"But… but you know better than that, Representative. And if you listened to the testimony in, for instance, in the trial of Martin Shkreli who was recently in the news, you'd know that he has avowed in communications within his company. He says this is an investment opportunity for us. We know there are sick people who need this medication to live. They're charging very little for it. We could charge a… a boatload more and just make profit. This isn't a matter of profit margins, Representative, this is a matter of intentional gouging of the sick people of the state by greedy and rapacious corporations whom we have a responsibility to bring in check."

"Well, I think, touring pharmaceuticals I bet we could all agree was in the greedy and rapacious category."

"So Representative, let…"

"Let me describe to you the Amendment that… that's filed as House Floor Amendment #1, which we're going to add in the Senate. So I think this may address some of your concerns. And you may… you may say you don't want to hear about it in the Senate, but I figure… I feel the need to disclose it to you anyway. We're going to institute a price floor which will say that if a generic… if a 30-day wholesale acquisition cost of a generic drug doesn't rise above a certain threshold, then it won't be eligible even to be considered under this price-gouging statute. So, that price floor will cover some of those instances you're talking about… about low-cost medications. And I look forward to bringing that back to the House Floor for a Concurrence vote."

"To the Bill?"

"That's… that's not how the… the drug marketplace works, actually. So, these… we're talking about manufacturers selling to wholesalers, right? And they, then, further down the supply chain, sell it to distributors, pharmacies, hospitals, et cetera. So, these manufacturers aren't picking and choosing which citizens of which states sh… they're selling their drugs to."

"Representative, that's not how the…"

"I don't understand what you mean, Representative."

"Yeah, please, by all means."

"There are nine people seeking recognition to speak on this Bill. There weren't when we started the debate, but there are nine now. And this is on Standard Debate, so we will begin using the timer. Representative Reick, you're up." 10000119.docx 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Pleasure."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Hello, Representative."

"I wouldn't say anybody. I'm not sure you or I could."

"Right. It's a barrier to entry I’d say."

"Well, so, two things. One, you have to remember that we're not only talking about generic drugs in this Bill. We're also talking about sole source off-patent drugs. So, drugs from which there is legally only one manufacturer."

"No off-patent. These are off-patent drugs. The patent has expired, but a generic version of the drug has not been approved by the FDA. But even…"

"But let me… let me point this out to you which is that even in the instance of generic drugs, as I mentioned, I can't tell you why 'cause I'm not in that industry, but 40 percent of approved generics only have a single manufacturer. So, the idea that all of a sudden this robust competition is going to drive down the prices, first of all, there's not the competition and second of all, in a number of these well- documented instances, the prices have gone up. So, the theoretical idea that it ought to be going down does not combat the lived reality that the prices are going up in some cases egregiously."

"I appreciate you bringing that point up because these companies are not the ones who are doing that enormously expensive and costly research. Generic manufacturers are taking molecules… prescriptions that have already been 10000119.docx 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 patented. The patent has expired. They're not doing new research. They're not doing new testing. They're not doing new FDA approval. They're doing… using existing drugs. So, they're not trying to recoup all the costs of R&D."

"Yeah. But Representative, unfortunately, as you can tell, that's not happening in the… in the present market, right? Instead of robust market competition, we see products that are controlled by monopolies. And, as you know, in monopolies there are the opportunities for market abuses, right, where companies can gouge consumers 'cause they're the only people who control access to the good. And that's a problem in the monopolistic market environments which is why it requires regulation in those environments. That's why we regulate utilities, for instance. They're called regulated monopolies. We give them exclusive control of the market, but we say you've got to be careful about how much you raise prices by."

"That's all we're doing here."

"Of not… of not price gouging. The onerous burden, you know."

"To the Bill. You've got two seconds."

"Good… good job, Representative Reick. Okay. We now have, again, nine people on the Bill. Representative Andersson is next."

"The timer is on."

"Sponsor will yield."

"Thank you."

"Yeah. From time to time I… I like to get acrostics as much as the next guy."

"Yeah. It's where you have letters… you run words like this and the letters down the line like this spell something out."

"By sheer coincidence it would spell the word Pharma Bro."

"Well, that's our friend Martin Shkreli who's been mentioned a few times on the floor today."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Are you finished, Representative? All right. Then the next… next we have Representative Keith Wheeler. The timer is on." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" 10000119.docx 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Sponsor will yield." Wheeler, K.: "Will, I know we’re going kind of fast here 'cause we only have five minutes, and I wish we had like an hour to discuss this. I love talking with you, you know that."

"The feeling's mutual." Wheeler, K.: "You've set an arbitrary threshold of 30 percent for this price gouging. Is that correct?"

"I think the fees were arbitrary, but yes." Wheeler, K.: "Okay. But then there's no… you don't have any data that shows when it goes to that 30 percent you actually have a… a gouging situation or you have a market diminishment?"

"Right. Although, again, we do… we have extensive provisions which I think are rather generous to the companies in this case. I'm sorry." Wheeler, K.: "I can't vote on those yet."

"You… go ahead, Keith. You got a point to make; I'll let you make it." Wheeler, K.: "So, you mentioned before about having a small handful of manufacturers being potentially a… a price abuse situation because there's nobody else to retake their spot. Okay? And if you limit these increases 30 percent, which my colleague had mentioned, can sometimes be nothing in their own doing… had anything to do with that price increase. There could be a materials increase. There could be a litigation problem. There are things that they… are outside of their control, but then…"

"Right. So… so, that's exactly not price gouging under this statute. If you read the text of the statute, you'll know that that… that does not constitute price gouging." 10000119.docx 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Wheeler, K.: "I… but the cost to the company still has to… they have in front of the Attorney General defend themselves 'cause they're almost guilty until proven innocent until they can prove the fact that they had real… I'm not just… I'm reading here, buddy."

"Guilty until proven innocent, Representative." Wheeler, K. "Well, I mean, as far as… if you're a company and you had to spend money, that's just like a tax."

"If… if the state believes you violated a law, they can investigate you. It's not guilty until proven innocent." Wheeler, K.: "No. But you're not… but you're saying, oh my gosh, I can't go above 30 percent, maybe I should just get out of the market. That's the point that this is going to come to. As well-intentioned that this is, and the person we’re referring to created this whole problem in the first place, is already in prison. He's probably not going to do this again right now."

"But let me point out to you, Representative, that this…"

"Could… could we have a little quiet so we can hear the conversation. Thank you."

"The GAO, the Government Accountability Office, which is a federal agency, did a study of 1,400… 1,400 generic drugs over the course of 5 years. They found that in 300 of those instances in at least 1 of those 5 years there was a hundred percent or more increase of the cost of that drug. So, this is not just a Martin Shkreli problem. With respect to the Representative, from Geneva's comments about my Bill title…" 10000119.docx 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 Wheeler, K.: "Right. But… but you're making an assumption, you know… the assumption then is that those companies are doing it purely for a profit motive. There's no other cost phases, no other fear of retribution or retaliation, or maybe a better word for it is just litigation, because those things come in that market especially…"

"Right." Wheeler, K.: "…especially in that area. So, I understand that…"

"That's… that's precisely not the assumption of the Bill. In fact, the Bill carves out those instances and says that they're not considered price gouging. I don't know how much more clear the text of the statute could be on that question, Representative." Wheeler, K.: "Okay. Well, I appreciate the intent, but our analysis shows it to be a little different than that."

"It… it's not intent. It's verb… it's black and white letters in the Bill." Wheeler, K.: "So, you can say that I'm… it's going to cost me nothing then to defend myself in those situations? I can say, oh, these materials went up. Those are private… Will, I mean, I'm not trying to be mean to you here, but I'm just saying this… in a business world these are things you look at and go, hey, this could cause me a problem. Why should I stay in this market? And my concern is that if we pass this Bill and it goes into any form like it is right now, that drug manufacturers may consider the idea of just pulling out of that market. And then, we have zero manufacturers providing the drug that we need to help our patients and our constituents, in this state. That's a legitimate concern that 10000119.docx 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 I haven't unheard… unwound yet. Now, if you can fix it in the Senate, maybe we can talk about that. But right now, the Bill we have in front of us doesn't help us in that part of it. We have a dynamic… dynamic market in drug manufacturing in this state. Would you agree that the North Shore is filled with drug manufacturers that provide thousands of jobs for Illinoisans?"

"I can't speak to the number of jobs they provide. But I would agree that we have some companies engaged in this business in our state, yeah." Wheeler, K.: "Well, I'm… I'm very concerned that we protect that market as well. And to the Bill, since we're all short on time. Thank you, Will."

"To the Bill, yeah." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, Illinois is actually a hub of the pharmaceutical industry. My data shows there are over 300 thousand people who work in Illinois in the pharmaceutical industry. And here we are, yet again, taking one more step, well-intentioned, with the potential… with the potential to make these more difficult for a business, for a manufacturer, for a distributor, wholesaler to be caught in how do we avoid this problem? How do we make this so we don't get in trouble with this? How do we avoid the cost of defending ourselves if the accusation is made? If we trigger some arbitrary number comes up and all of a sudden now we're in front of the Attorney General having to explain what we're doing. Using what numbers could very well be… could very well be numbers that are specific and unique to our company that are trade secrets. These are things we don't 10000119.docx 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 want to have exposed. We want our manufacturers to have a solid market to work off of here. Let's not make this bad for Illinois business week. Please vote 'no'."

"Further discussion? Representative Carroll. The timer is on."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"I stand in support of this Bill. I appreciate you bringing this forward."

"Thank you."

"As a parent of a child who needs an Epi-pen, of the parent of a child who needs an inhaler, of the parent of a child who needs an inhaled steroid, when I see the price of these projects… of these products skyrocket and I don't really understand why and we… and we limit competition in this state and we allow the pharmaceutical companies to dictate prices. I use the example of Valiant Pharmaceuticals who went from being a company that was innovative at making pharmaceutical products to taking the products they had and skyrocketing the price and forcing families to make decisions of life-saving medications or dinner. And that's unacceptable to me. In this country of innovation, in this country of everything that we have for people to have to make decisions on life-saving medications whether it can be afforded or not is disgraceful. Luckily, my family can afford to give my daughter the medication she needs. I would hate to be that family who can't. So, I really appreciate this Bill. And I thank you for bringing it forward, Representative." 10000119.docx 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Further discussion? Representative Bellock. The timer is on."

"He will."

"I… I'm not sure about strong. They said in committee that any Bill that regulates the price of anything they're going to oppose flat out. So, I didn't really see a path to lifting their opposition."

"Yeah. And you'll note that at the end of the Bill we have an exemption under the Trade Secrets Act for the Freedom of Information Act requests."

"So, we want to make sure that those proprietary and confidential information… that proprietary and confidential information doesn't get out into the public to protect those trade secrets, as Representative Wheeler mentioned."

"To the Bill."

"Further discussion? Representative Wallace. The timer's on."

"Thank you, Madam Chair. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Am… am I to understand that we're arguing… we're arguing about whether or not sick individuals can have affordable access to drugs that can be life enhancing or life-saving? Is that what we're arguing about today?"

"I think that's… that's a piece of it. And I… to put a finer point on it, I’d say were arguing about whether a small handful of bad actors in the drug industry should be able to take advantage of those sick people to pad their profits."

"That… that's an amazing point. So, are you aware of an upcoming speech from our current President on this very issue?" 10000119.docx 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I know that the President has spoken to the issue of high cost of prescription drugs. I really believe that it should be and is a bipartisan concern."

"Or… or a nonpartisan issue."

"Sure."

"I mean, it's life or death, right? To the Bill."

"To the Bill."

"I… I want to say thank you to the Representative for bringing this Bill forward. Over the last several years we've seen medications that are literally life-saving, one example would be vitamin K. A vitamin that occurs in nature in a number of settings, but the pricing on prescriptions for that have gone up over 5,400 percent. And that's a medication that helps to treat blood clots, helps with heart disease. We have individuals who are sick and on fixed income. The average Social Security income is about $1,300 a month. And any increase of any essential item for an individual on such a small fixed income can be truly devastating. There was some trivialization over this 30 percent increase and applying it to material items like technology, phones, entertainment, but when it's about whether or not you have the ability to have access to medication that can sustain your health and your life that is not a trivial issue. And we should not be talking about it in a position from… of… or from a perspective of putting profit over people. And that's what I'm hearing in this discussion. And I think it's very sad that that's where we're at that we are suggesting that some companies should be able to run away with record profits while some people suffer. About 20 percent of all prescriptions go unfilled because 10000119.docx 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 people don't have access to the money necessary to pay for their prescriptions. And any measure to be able to help and address that is so greatly appreciated. So, I thank the Representative, again, for bringing this forward. I'd like to remind people of simple math. I was having this discussion with a colleague in the back of the chamber at the beginning of this particular debate that 30 percent of zero is still zero. If you don't have the money, you don't have the money. And we should not allow for people to price gouge and put people who are sick and without resources in a position of not being able to have the healthy life that they deserve. So, I encourage an 'aye' vote. People over profits, people in this chamber, people over profits. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Representative Demmer."

"Sponsor will yield."

"That's correct. Although it's our intention to adopt similar language of that Amendment in the Senate."

"Correct."

"That's correct, yes."

"That's absolutely correct. And I want to make… make it clear that the… what determines the end price for the consumer is the result of, as I'm sure you're about to explain, a lengthy and complex process, right?"

"The increases in the whole… the whole…"

"Yeah, go ahead, Representative."

"Sure."

"I suppose one could imagine such a scenario but…"

"But… but Representative, you…"

"…you have to… you have… I'm sure you would concede that on the whole price increases at the beginning of the supply chain are going to lead to price increases at the end of the supply chain, notwithstanding the possibility one could imagine of various circumstances in the middle. But by and large if there's a vast increase on the front end it's going to result in an increase on the back end. Wouldn't you say?"

"Just… a quick interruption there. That's actually not the Attorney General's power. That's the remedies that can be sought in the court. So, the court can impose those remedies, if the court finds that an instance of price gouging actually occurred."

"That's correct."

"For each sale in the State of Illinois, yeah."

"Each transaction that occurred in the State of Illinois, yeah."

"So, it's one of the number of remedies that's available in the Bill. It's at the discretion of the court to impose those remedies as the court sees fit."

"Representative… Representative…"

"Representative Demmer, you've used up your time, but my understanding is that Representative Long wishes to offer you his five minutes. Is that right, Representative Long?"

"Then… then why don't you proceed, Representative Demmer." 10000119.docx 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I have a feeling you're about to speak to a different Bill which I…"

"Given the length of this conversation already, I would really appreciate you constraining your remarks to the contents of this Bill and not to any previous Bills we've debated on the floor."

"I can't wait for the best."

"I'm proud to report that that ruling has not given us pause and I'm happy to explain to you why, Representative."

"If you'd like to continue reading, go ahead."

"To the Bill."

"Next up is Representative Wehrli."

"Sponsor will yield."

"Absolutely. It's spelled out quite clearly."

"So…" 10000119.docx 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"It's not an appeal. The Attorney General reaches out to the manufacturer and says provide us evidence about why the price increased. If they can demonstrate that it was because of, for instance, cost of manufacturer or marketing, other sort of related costs then it's not price gouging. In fact, as I mentioned to Representative… to the Representative from… from wherever you're from…"

"It's carved out specifically in the Bill that that does not constitute price gouging."

"I am."

"It will… applies only to drugs who are ultimately… that are ultimately sold in the State of Illinois, which I think should avoid the extra territoriality question that Representative Demmer brought up in terms of the Maryland law."

"Only should the drug ultimately be sold in Illinois. That's correct."

"I'm not, as I suspect you know, Representative."

"Terrific."

"So…"

"I… I will… I can only tell you what, first of all, what the Appellate Court in Maryland ruled. What the… so, it was a 2-1 opinion in a panel of the 4th Circuit Court. The dissenting opinion… first of all, the two judges who wrote the opinion said in their decision we know that the other Circuit Courts in this country have interpreted this law differently, but we're striking out on our own in a bold setting of new judicial precedent to decide the extra territoriality applies in this case. So, in fact, this court decision is based on no existing judicial precedent and it's widely believed that when this is appealed en banc to the full 4th Circuit, the 14-judge panel, that the decision will be reversed."

"To the Bill."

"Further discussion? Representative Batinick."

"Yes."

"I’d… I’d say that the job of the Judicial Branch is to interpret the law. The job of our branch of government is to make the laws that are right. That is our job as the Legislative Branch. For us to speculate about what the Judiciary might do in a case that's in the course of appeal seems well beyond our purview as Legislators."

"Sure."

"Representative, let me just quickly say that, and I hope the folks on your side will collaborate this, I've… I've done my best over the last month or two to reach out to Members of the… of the Human Services Committee from the Minority side and I really done… made what I hope to be considered a god faith effort to engage you guys. I don't think is a partisan issue. I don't want it to be one."

"Further discussion? Representative Demmer. I don't think you were actually named in debate although…"

"…clearly he was talking about you."

"Representative Demmer." 10000119.docx 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Further discussion? Representative Fine."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you for bringing this forward, Representative Guzzardi. This is a very important piece of legislation because all of us hear from our constituents how they can either afford their medication or food. And that should not be a choice. The… neither of them are an option. A question for you. Unlike patent drugs…"

"He will answer questions. He said he would answer your questions.”

"I yield the pleasure." 10000119.docx 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"Unlike… unlike patented drugs, do generic drugs require the money to put into research?"

"No, they don't. That's just it that these drugs have already been researched and developed. So, recouping R&D costs shouldn't be a concern."

"I'd like to read a quote I read from an editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine. It says, 'manufacturers of generic drugs that legally obtain a market monopoly are free to unilaterally raise the prices of their products. There's little that an individual consumer can do. Some drug companies offer assistance, programs for indigent patients, but these programs often have complicated enrollment processes and they do not offer an effective general safety net.' So, it's very difficult for someone who needs that medication to be able to get the price break that they may need. I also found a very interesting statistic that said about 77 to 85 percent of all outpatient prescriptions are generic drugs. So, again, I want to thank you for bringing this forward because we need to do something to protect the consumer's health so they can afford not only to feed their families but the medications that they need to survive."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Representative Phelps Finnie."

Phelps Finnie: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, Representative Guzzardi, for bringing this Bill. As a provider myself, I see patients daily that struggle to pay for their medication. And so, this is… we all know this is a serious issue, especially those of us who live in economically depressed areas. Also, I had the opportunity… I worked for a 10000119.docx 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 drug company for six years. And it was a great company. They did a lot of good for patients. I very well understand the costs of bringing forth a new medication, hundreds of millions of dollars sometimes spent on one chemical that you only find out after you spent 7 or 8 hundred… sometimes million dollars on a product that it can't be brought forward to the market because it may cause cancer or something and they find out through the research. However, also working for that company for many years, I know firsthand the exorbitant bonuses that many people got. And some at the top that I… I could never… I couldn't… I couldn't understand being in health care and seeing. So, I don't… you know, I'm for business. We want businesses to prosper. But, when we can't help people who can't… who have to literally choose… this is not made-up stuff. My patients have to choose, especially sometimes elderly, can I buy my groceries, can I buy a medication that's going to keep me alive. I have a problem with that. And I do not have any sympathy for these companies. Thank you."

"And the final speaker, at least at the moment, is Representative DeLuca."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Guzzardi, violations could result in penalties up to $10 thousand per violation."

"Correct."

"Would you classify this legislation as a penalty enhancement?" 10000119.docx 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018

"I would say… you could maybe classify it as a new offense, Representative."

"Okay. The… the real question I have though is in regards to the process with the Attorney General's Office. What if the Attorney General rejects the… the explanation by the provider for why the cost went up by over 30 percent or whatever?

"So, that's the instance in which they would go before a judge. So, the Attorney General, if they got a satisfactory explanation from the drug company, they could say, okay, it's not price gouging. We're done here. But if they didn't believe the explanation of the company was satisfactory to justify the price increase, then they would go before a judge and the judge would evaluate the evidence on both sides and make a decision based on the statute."

"Okay. Good. Is that… that process is spelled out in the legislation?"

"That's correct."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Representative Breen to add to the list of excused absences."

"The record will so reflect. And Representative Guzzardi to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, everyone, for the very robust debate on this issue. Ultimately, the question before us, as I've said in this debate, I don't believe it’s 10000119.docx 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 a partisan one. I believe it's a very simple question about whether we believe that the sick and vulnerable people who live in all of our communities ought to have access to life- saving medications without having profiteering companies take every last penny they can from them. This is a question of protecting access to affordable medicines for everyone in our communities. Our families are clamoring for us to do something. Our state budget needs the relief. We spend billion dollars… billions of dollars every year on prescription drugs through the group health program and the Medicaid program. We need the relief. Our families need it, our state needs it, your constituents and mine need it. They're asking you for an 'aye' vote and so am I. Thank you."

"Representative Guzzardi has moved passage of House Bill 4900. All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, please take the record. On this Motion, there are 65 voting 'aye', 38 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having reached the appropriate Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Lang moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. 10000119.docx 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 100th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 119th Legislative Day 4/19/2018 The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Clerk, can we have the committee announcements, please."

"Representative McAuliffe, for what reason do you rise?"

"State your point."

"Thank you, Representative. And now… and now, allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, Rep… Leader Lang moves that the House stand adjourned until Friday, April 20 at the hour of 9 a.m. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the House stands adjourned."