"The House will be in order and the Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today is Pastor Paul Flesner from the Grace Lutheran Church located here in Springfield, Illinois. Reverend Flesner."
"Let us bow our heads for prayer. Almighty God, we pray for Your presence today with this legislative Body as they consider those matters of concern to the people of Illinois. We stand humbly before You as we acknowledge Your hand throughout all of Your creation. We give you thanks for the mystery of life, for the glory of Your natural world, for the vastness of its universe and the distant galaxies. But as we stand in awe of Your mighty acts in creation, we realize that You have placed us here to be good stewards and good managers of Your handy work. We realize that You have entrusted Your world and its people into our care and our keeping. That, Heavenly Father, is indeed an overwhelming responsibility for not only are we often limited in our vision but we sometimes abuse the goodness You have endowed the world with. So, Gracious God, we ask Your guidance. Your guidance to lead us in our decisions. Grant to us individually and collectively the gift of wisdom. Stir within us the gift of sensitivity to the needs of those on whose behalf we have been called to serve. Give to us the desire to pursue justice and a vision of compassion in all that we do. Heavenly Father, we ask Your special presence today with Representative Margalus who this morning suffered a heart attack. We pray the power of your healing presence that You may bring him to a speedy recovery and sustain him in Your hands and bring him to health and hold us. Empower all our efforts this day, Oh God, with the power of Your holy spirit. We pray this and whatever else You see that 1 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE we need in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen."
"Thank you, Reverend. Representative Hallstrom will lead us with the pledge today."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and Justice for all."
"I might add that I just talked to Representative Margalus' wife just before I came out on the floor. He is... He's at Memorial Hospital in the Intensive Care section and will probably be there for two or three days. If you want to send him a card, I'm sure he'd appreciate it. Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Hannig, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two Bills, House Bill 1729 and 1163 that I would like to put in Interim Study. These Bills are in the Revenue Committee and I've discussed this matter yesterday with Chairman Ewing and also with the Majority Leader, Telcser, and they both agree. At this time I would ask leave of the House to do that, to put these two Bills, 1163 and 1729, in Interim Study."
"These are your Bills, is that right, Representative?"
"Yes, Sir. I'm Chief Sponsor on both Bills."
"Are there any objections? The Gentleman's asked leave. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Take the record, Mr. Clerk. 129 Members answering the Roll Call. A quorum of the House is present. Committee Reports."
"Representative Rigney, Chairman from the Committee on Agriculture to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bill 842 and 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 1350. Do pass as amended House Bill 607". Representative Macdonald, Chairman from the Committee on Conservation and Natural Resources to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 28, 1981 and repored the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bill 1244'. Representative Reilly, Chairman from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bills 797, 976, 1273, 1297, 1445, 1447, 1451. Do pass as amended House Bill 406, 696, 701, 977, 1051, 1235, 1345, 1353, 1446, and 1452. Do not pass as amended House Bill 684. Do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 1444. Do pass as amended Consent Calendar House Bill 1070, 1091, 1103, and 1458. Do pass Short Debate Calendar House Bill 1071, 1236, 1237, and 1252. Do pass amended Short Debate Calendar House Bill 17, 909, 1678. Do pass House Bill 1448, 1449, and 1450. Do not pass House Bill 355 and 1274. Do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 864'. Representative Ewing, Chairman from the Committee on Revenue to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'House Bills 617, 730, 820, 918, 991, 1047, 1049, 1184, 1254, 1296, 1435, 1506, 1614, and 1750.. Do not pass House Bill 1617. Do pass as amended House Bill 404, 921, 971, 1048, 1147, 1624'. Representative Ted Meyer, Chairman from the Committee on Energy and Environment to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bill 69'. Representative Pullen, Chairman from the Committee on Executive to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 28, 1981 and 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 reported back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bill 677, 763. Representative Barnes, Chairman from the Committee on Health and Family Services to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 28, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bills 486, 608, 1004, 1191, 1492, and 1225. Do pass as amended House Bill 477, 482, 483, 487, 488, 987, 1078, 1222, and 1586. Do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 1137, 1166, 1167. Do pass as amended Consent Calendar House Bill 1367. Interim Study House Bill 478, 479, 480, 481, 484, and 485'. Representative Hudson, Chairman from the Committee on Higher Education to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 2981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bills, 1007, 1507. Do pass as amended House Bill 198, 1438, and 1439. Do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 1646. Representative Epton, Chairman from the Committee on Insurance to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 28, 1981 and reported the same back with. the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended House Bill 1695. Interim Study Calendar House Bill 844 and 1205'. Representative Leinenweber, Chairman from the Committee on Judiciary I to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bill 432, 433, 688, 821, 957, 1029, 1317, 1394. Do not pass House Bill 792, 890, and 1404. Do pass as amended House Bill 335, 665, 676, 711, 834, 970, 1215, 1365, 1536. Do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 824 and 851. Interim Study House Bill 303, 601, 664, 806, 1064, 1217, 510. Do Pass Short Debate Calendar House Bill 699, 1053, 1054, and 1055'. Representative Abramson, Chairman from the 4 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 Committee on Public Utilities to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: *do pass House Bill 470, 1502. Interim Study House Bills 327, 1121, 1134, 1213, 1214, 1290, 1305, 1306, and 1431'. Representative Davis, Chairman from the Committee on State Governmental Organization to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 28, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: do pass House Bill 751. Do pass as amended House Bill 244"."
"Change of vote."
"Representative Koehler requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 104. Representative Richard Kelly requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 143. Representative Saltsman, Karpiel, and Stewart request to vote 'aye' on House Bill 97. Representatives Stearney and Swanstrom request to vote 'aye' on House Bill 101."
"Is there unanimous consent for change of vote on the votes that were read by the Clerk? Is there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Meyer, for what purpose do you arise?"
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I ask leave to place House Bill 1801, 1802, and 1803 on the Interim Study Calendar. They are assigned to the Public Utilities Committee and they didn't have a chance to hear them yesterday."
"Are these your Bills?"
"Yes, they are, Mr. Speaker."
"Gentleman asks leave to have 1801, 1802, and 1803 to be placed on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you." 5 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981
"Lady from Cook, Representative Catania, for what purpose do you arise?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave to place House Bill 1462 on the Interim Study Calendar. I am the principle Sponsor."
"The Lady asked leave to place House Bill 1462 on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker for purposes of an introduction, please? Speaker, Members of the House, in the Speaker's Gallery we have a couple of students from the St. Margaret and Mary School of Granite City, Illinois. A district that's represented by Representative McPike, Representative Steele, and myself. Would you give them a warm welcome, please."
"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"As long as we're on announcements, we have a group from Peoria from Spaulding Academy. That's an area represented by myself, Schraeder, and Saltsman."
"Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of tabling two Bills, I would ask leave of the House because there are two Bills that are identical to the ones that I have introduced. I'd ask leave of the House to table House Bill 1683 and House Bill 596, please?"
"You're the Chief Sponsor, Representative?"
"Yes, Sir."
"The Gentleman has asked leave to table House Bill 1683 and House Bill 596. Are there objections? Hearing 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 none, leave is granted and those Bills are tabled. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I could have leave to have House Bill 10 placed on the Interim Study Calendar."
"House Bill 10?"
"Yes, 10. It's..."
"What Committee is that in, Representative?"
"In Pensions."
"The Gentleman asks leave to have House Bill 10 placed on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave of the House to table House Bill 458 and House Bill 892 of which I am the principle Sponsor."
"The Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 458 and House Bill 892. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted and those Bills are tabled. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave to place House Bill 841 on the Interim Study Calendar. A Motion has been properly filed as is supported by the Chairman of that Committee. I ask leave of the House."
"What Committee, Representative."
"Beg your pardon?"
"What Committee is House Bill 841 in?"
"It's in State Government Organizations Committee."
"And you ask leave to have that put in the Interim Study?"
"Yes, Sir." 7 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981
"Gentleman asks leave to have House Bill 841 placed on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask for leave of the House to table House Bill 81 of which I am the Chief Sponsor."
"Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 81. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted and House Bill 81 is tabled. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask leave of the House to place three Bills in Interim Study. House Bill 1138, House Bill 1382, and House Bill 1406. They both were assigned to the Executive Committee."
"Are you the Chief Sponsor?"
"Yes, Sir."
"All three of these Bills come from the Executive Committee... are in the Executive Committee?"
"Yes, Sir."
"And you're the Chief Sponsor of all three?"
"Yes."
"And you want to put them on the Interim Study Calendar?"
"Yes."
"Gentleman asks leave to have House Bill 1138, House Bill 1382, and House Bill 1406 placed on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Grossi, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As principle Sponsor of House Bill 412, I ask leave of the House to table that Bill." 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981
"What's the number, Representative?"
" "412."
"The Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 412. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 412 is tabled. The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like leave to put House Bill 1759, 1724 and 1840 on the Interim Study Calendar."
"Would you give me the numbers again, Representative?"
"1759, 1724, and 1840."
"And these Bills are in what Committee?"
"The problem is they weren't assigned last week SO I couldn't post them. 1759 should be assigned to Registration and Regulation. 1724 to Judiciary II and 1840 to Judiciary II I believe as well."
"Is that where you think they are, Representative?"
"Yes."
"Or you know they are?"
"I think they are. Should I check before I..."
"Well they've been assigned but we'll check it. It's alright. The Lady asks leave to place House Bill 1759, 1724, and 1840 in the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, I also ask leave to place in Interim Study the following Bills, 1021, 1062, 1063, 1210, 1211, 1218, 1286, and 1843."
"And you're the principle Sponsor of all of these?"
"Yes, I am."
"Do you know what Committees they're in, 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day Representative?" April 30, 1981
"1021 is in Elections, 1062, Cities and Villages. 1062 (sic) Judiciary ΙΙ. 1210 and 1211 and 1218, Revenue. 1286, Labor and Commerce and 1843, I'm not sure if it has been assigned."
"It has been. The Gentleman asks leave to have House Bill 1021, 1062, 1063, 1210, 1211, 1218, 1286, and 1843 placed on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative.... from Kankakee, Representative McBroom. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Wolf." Wolf, J. J.: "Mr. Speaker, Hembers of the House, I would like to have unanimous consent to waive the appropriate posting rule so House Bill 448 could be heard in the Personnel and Pension and ... Veteran Affairs Personnel and Pension Committee this afternoon. Very important Bill to Members of the House."
"IS it on the Calendar... Is your Motion on the Calendar, Representative?"
"NO."
"Gentleman asks leave to suspend the appropriate posting rules for House Bill 448 so it can be heard in Committee this afternoon. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Wolf, do you now move to suspend those rules? You have unanimous consent to move those."
"So move, Mr. Speaker."
"The Gentleman now moves that House Bill 448, the appropriate rules be suspended so the Bill can be heard in Committee this afternoon. Gentleman have leave for his Motion? Leave is granted? The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite. For what purpose do you rise?" 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day
"Mr. April 30, 1981 Speaker, I ask leave to have House Bill 1853 referred to Interim Study, please. I do not know what Committee assignment it has."
"Was that number 18633"
"1853."
"1853, and you're the principle Sponsor, Representative?"
"Yes, Sir."
"And you want it on the Interim Study Calendar?"
"Yes, Sir."
"The Lady asks leave to have House Bill 1853 placed on the Interim Study Calendar. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Daniels, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, I am the Chief Sponsor of House Bill 1643 and I would ask leave to table the same."
"Was that 1643, Representative?"
"Yes, Sir."
"Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 1643. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 1643 is tabled. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, we're not yet on the Calendar and I thought it's not very often when we can say, 'Thanks' to an employee on the day he is leaving after serving us. And I think the Members ought to know that our good friend Chalkie, with the Clerk's Office, this is his day of retirement. I've offered House Resolution 242 and I wonder, Mr. Speaker, with leave of the House if we could have the Clerk read House Resolution 242? It's in honor of Chalkie, our good friend and I just think Chalkie's such a 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 nice guy and all of us here want to say thanks for his retirement. And I would appreciate, Mr. Speaker, if the Clerk would read that. I'ts a clean Resolution but I think we'd enjoy it."
"Gentleman asks leave to have House Resolution 242 read. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read House Resolution 242."
"House Resolution 242. Whereas, the Illinois House of Representatives has had the good fortune of having the services of Charles "Chalkie" Aikman, who has been employed since April, 1970 in the Clerk's Office, and Whereas, Chalkie was born in a "big package" on July 19, 1905 and lives in Litchfield, Illinois with his devoted wife, Geneva, and is father of son Ralph, and grandfather of Candice, and Whereas, Chalkie Aikman retires on April 30, 1981 after eleven years of dedicated services as Chief Clerk under the "bosses" of Fred Selcke, Jack O'Brien and Tony Leone; and Whereas, the Members of the House will sorely miss the "vast presence" of Chalkie, his kind smile, good humor, his genuine helpful cooperation, and his beaming personality and his all-around goodness, and Whereas, Chalkie is a big man in more ways than one and is especially recognized by everyone who works with him and he'll be missed by all, but particularly the "women" in the Clerk's Office because they'll miss the wink and "clean joke" when he sits down during the coffee break; now therefore, Be it Resolved by the House of Representatives of the Eighty-Second General Assembly of the State of Illinois, that we wish Charles "Chalkie" Aikman our best wishes for a long, healthy, and happy retirement from his years of dedicated and devoted service as Chief Bill Clerk and his Clerk's Office and we say "God-Speed Chalkie, and many thanks for a job well-done and we'll miss you," and be 12 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 it further Resolved, that suitable copies of this Resolution be presented to our friend Charles "Chalkie" Aikman on his day of retirement."
"The House recogn... The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Leave to include all the Members. Also to show.. .I make a typo once in awhile. That's 'beaming' personality not 'besming'. Beaming. I move for the adoption of this great Resolution for a great guy."
"The Gentleman asks leave to include everyone Sponsorship on the Resolution. Is leave granted? The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun, did you..."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was just going to move as Representative Matijevich has that all Members of the House be added as Cosponsors as this rather boisterous standing ovation indicates our regard for you, Chalkie, is unbounded and even though your retirement comes as a surprise to me. This is the first I've heard about it. I just want to congratulate you as I'm sure you have been able to tell by the outpouring of love from all of the people in this chamber."
"The Gentleman asks for the adoption of House Resolution 242. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'."
"Don't let him retire."
"Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative McGrew, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Just so that Chalkie wouldn't go out without realizing that the House is in orderly fashion. I would request a poll of the absentees and I'd like to verify the affirmative."
"On this issue there are 168 voting 'yes', none 13 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 voting 'no' and the Resolution is adopted. Chalkie, ve wish you the best of luck in your future endeavor and your retirement and we would expect that probably in the middle of June you would be back to provide the fish for a fish fry. Good luck to you. The Gentleman from Franklin, Representative Rea."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Hembers of the House. If I was provided the opportunity to make introductions I would like to mention that Representatives Winchester, McCormick and myself have a delegation in the galleries from the Herrin Junior High School with the... representing the Class L championship basketball team and we have there also the honor society from Herrin, Illinois and we're glad to have them. Would you please stand?"
"The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."
"Mr. Chairman (sic), Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to ask unanimous consent. There will be a waiving of posting rules so that House Bill 1767 and 1768 may be heard in Committee this afternoon."
"That vas 1767 and 1768 in what Committee, Representative?"
"Social Services and Public Institutions."
"And you're the Sponsor?"
"Yes."
"Lady asks suspension of the posting rules... the appropriate rules so House Bill 1767 and 1768 can be heard in Committee this afternoon. She needs unanimous consent. Are there objections? Hearing none, the Lady now moves that those rules... the appropriate rules be suspended. Are there any objections to the suspension of those rules so those Bills can be heard? Hearing no objections, leave is granted. Gentleman from Lake, Representative Deuster, for what purpose do you seek recognition?" 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day
April 30, 1981 "Mr. Speaker, I seek recognition for the purpose of asking leave to table a Bill. As principle Sponsor of House Bill 570 which has to do with earpiercing, I am very happy to move to table that Bill with this short statement, Mr. Speaker. I don't know where our former colleague, Roscoe Cunningham is today, but in past Sessions, Roscoe worked very deligently to try and amend the medical Practice Act so you didn't have to get a doctor to have your ears pierced. I'm happy to announce that after much work on the part of Roscoe and legislation which I've introduced and a lot of study on the part of the Department of Registration and Education (sic), they have issued a policy statement dating April 21, 1981 indicating that no longer do they feel that you have to have a doctor to pierce your ears. So for all the women of Illinois and any of the men who are so inclined, you can go forward, henceforth, and pierce your ears without calling in an doctor and a nurse. And so I would ask leave to table House Bill 570 since it is no longer necessary."
"The Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 570. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 570 is tabled. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask leave to suspend the appropriate rule in order to have House Bill 954 posted for Labor and Commerce hearing tomorrow."
"Your Motion is not on the Calendar. Is that right, Representative?"
"No, it's not."
"Gentleman asks leave to have his Motion heard to suspend the rules, the posting rules on House Bill 954. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Davis, do you object? Leave is granted. 15 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 Now, the Gentleman moves that the appropriate posting rules be suspended so House Bill 954 can be heard in the Committee today or tomorrow."
"Tomorrow."
"Tomorrow. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted and those posting rules are suspended. Representative Bullock."
"I inadvertently ommitted the Resolution which should be posted also. I guess I'd have to make the same request that the appropriate rule be suspended in order that House Joint Resolution 12 could be posted for hearing and the Motion has not been filed in writing."
"What's the number, Representative?"
"HJR 12."
"The Gentleman asks leave to have his Motion heard to suspend the appropriate posting rules on HJR 12. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Gentleman now asks leave that those posting rules be suspended so HJR 12 can be heard in the Committee. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, for the same purpose, I'd request that a Bill from the Reference Bureau back in February that just got out last week and was assigned to the Committee on State Government Organizations. It's House Bill 1785. I would like to suspend unanimous leave of the House to suspend the appropriate posting rule so that that might be heard in that Committee."
"The Gentleman asks leave to hear his Motion regarding House Bill 1785 to suspend the posting rules. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 Gentleman now asks leave to suspend the appropriate posting rules to hear House Bill 1785 in the appropriate Committee. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you, Sir."
"Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am prime Sponsor of House Bill 177. I'd like to have leave of the House to table that."
"House Bill 177 and you're the Chief Sponsor. The Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 177. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted and House Bill 177 is tabled. Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like leave to have House Bill 790 and 791 put in Interim Study."
"The Lady asks leave to have House Bill 790 and 791 put into Interim Study. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I think perhaps we can save a great deal of time by my putting a Motion dealing with all of the Bills listed on the Order of Motions in which Sponsors are requesting suspension of Rule 18K the posting requirement in order to have their Bills heard this week. So, Mr. Speaker, I would therefore move that these Motions and I'll list the Bill numbers be adopted."
"Just a minute, Mr. Telcser. The Minority Leader, Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, not to interupt the Majority Leader but simply to apprise the Majority Leader and the full Membership that I have filed a Motion with the Clerk which would provide that the Committee deadline for consideration of Bills in Committee would be moved back one week and that 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 the deadline for non-appropriation Bills would be May 8 and that the deadline for appropriation Bills would be moved to May 15. If my Motion were considered and adopted by this Body, then there would be no need for Mr. Telcser's Motion to suspend posting requirements nor would there be any need for all of the individual Motions being made to suspend the posting requirements, and we would possibly eliminate some of the anomosity that is growing throughout the Membership because people are not getting a fair opportunity to have their Bills heard in Committee. I suggested this to you, Mr. Speaker, the last couple of days. I suggest to you again. I've told you that I would like my Motion called and I know that you're going to take your Members to Conference and maybe your Members in Conference can discuss with you, in a fair and open manner, their desire to have their Bills heard along with the Democratic Members."
"Mr. Madigan, I assure you that you will have a opportunity to call your Motion."
"And I would suggest that Mr. Telcser's Motion be held until we get a decision on the Motion for Committee deadlines."
"Representative Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker, I'm delighted to concur with the Minority Leader's request. I will withdraw my Motion and now, Mr. Speaker, I move the House stand in recess for a period... till 2:00 for the purpose of having a Republican Conference in Room 114 and I imagine the Democrats may want..."
"Representative Greiman."
"We'd like a Conference in Room 118 at 1:00. Room 118."
"Alright. The House will stand in recess until 2:00. Republican Conference in 114, Democrat Conference in 118." 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981
"Could I have your attention. A glass case has been brought up to the Clerk's Well. If anybody is missing their glass case, pick it up here. Thank you."
"The House will be in order and the Members will please be in their seats. All unauthorized people will please depart the chamber... the floor. Committee Reports."
"Representative Reilly, Chairman from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass amended Short Debate Calendar House Bill 909. Do pass as amended House Bill 17'. Representative Hudson, Chairman from the Committee on Higher Education to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Interim Study Calendar House Bill 917'. Representative Leinenweber, Chairman from the Committee on Judiciary I to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 29, 1981 and the corrected report stating the Interim Study House Bill 1053, 1054, and 1055'."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, I rise to offer the Motion that I referred to before the recess for caucus."
"Mr. Clerk, would you read Mr. Madigan's Motion, please?"
"Motion, 'I move to suspend Rule 25D through and including May 8th for House Bills and until May 15th for House appropriation Bills."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Representative Madigan, did you care to address the Motion?" 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981
"Yes, I did, Mr. Speaker. This Motion is offered because of the development of events over the last two to three months. You may recall, Mr. Speaker, immediately after your election as the Speaker of this House you in cooperation with your Republican leadership announced that it would be your intent that there would be no deadlines developed for this Session of the Legislature. That proposal Was drafted for consideration by the Rules Committee and actually voted upon by the Rules Committee. At the time of the adoption of that elimination of deadline by the Rules Committee, there were several Democratic Members of the Committee which concurred with your decision. The Committee there upon voted out to the floor the Committee decision that there should be no deadlines for this Session of the Legislature. As subsequent events developed, we have now placed ourselves in a position where, because of enaction on your part, we are now laboring under a set of deadlines for introduction of Bill, Committee, and floor consideration. This has resulted in a very low number of Bills being introduced. Members were led to believe that there would be no deadlines. They felt that there was no urgency for them to go to the Reference Bureau to get their Bills drafted and consequently we are now considering approximately 1000 less Bills than we were two years ago. For the last two weeks Members have suffered through extreme tension and turmoil because they have not received fair consideration in Committee. Many Members have actually sat in Committees for four hours at a time waiting for their Bill to be called. They're told by a Committee Chairman, 'You're the next person on the call list' and three hours later their Bill has still not been called. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I am suggesting with my Motion that we adjust the consideration by Committee of 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 Bills during this Session to conform exactly to the time period allowed two years ago. The Motion would provide that the deadline for Committee consideration of Bills would be postponed for one week and for non-appropriation Bills that the deadline would be May 8th and for appropriation Bills the deadline would be May 15. I repeat. This would simply place the House of Representatives in the same posture that we found ourselves two years ago, and I would recommend an 'aye' vote in support of this Motion."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, the Minority Leader in his remarks I think neglected to discuss all of the events which occurred this Session to refresh our memories, but simply took a few items out of context to make a case for his Motion. I would simply like to remind the Members of the House that this General Assembly, under the leadership of Speaker Ryan, has been underway earlier than any Session that I can remember. Speaker Ryan urged the Members to get their Bills to the Reference Bureau, have them introduced, attend Committee meetings, have them heard, called, and acted upon. And indeed as the Minority Leader indicated, it was our intention to make that bold step forward and eliminate deadlines which we have been using for the past number of Sessions. I might also add that the Minority Leader opposed that concept as did most of his Members that wanted to retain some sort of deadline. We find ourselves where we are today for a number of reasons. Almost all of which we could put at the feet of the Minority Leader. The Gentleman from Cook, who leads his party, shows to interject in the course of this Session other matters which tied up consideration of rule changes until just a few short days ago when various Motions were 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 defeated. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, it was indeed our sincere desire to move forward at an early date to accomplish what we had set out to do. And for various reasons we were not able to achieve those goals. It is my view that the Minority Leader has been the principle cause for finding ourselves with a large number of Bills still pending in Committees. And I suggest, Mr. Speaker, that if any Member is deeply concerned and upset about the overload in the Committees, they go talk to Minority Leader and ask him the question because it is because of his stewardship on the minority side of the aisle that the Bills are tied up in Committee at this point. The Minority Leader did not give consideration to the Members during the proceeding two or three months because of political items that were on his personal agenda, and all the Members, all the Members are now suffering perhaps. I don't know if they are or if they aren't, but if Members are being short changed as the Minority Leader indicates in his remarks, the reason is because of the actions that the Minority Leader perpetrated upon the Democrats in this House as well as the Members on this side of the aisle. Now, Mr. Speaker, we are where we are for whatever the reasons may be. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'd like to remind you of last November's election where the voters adopted a referendum to reduce the size of this chamber and to go to single Members districts. Certainly, one of those reasons were what the voters of Illinois perceived to be, accessive salary levels for Members serving in a Legislature. But perhaps more importantly, certainly just as importantly, Illinois citizens feel that the Illinois Legislature is not an orderly process. The citizens of Illinois feel that it is too chaotic, that there's no accountability, that citizens cannot keep track of what's happening. And it is 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 for those reasons principally, Mr. Speaker, that I rise to oppose the Gentleman's Motion. We have deadlines in the rules which we adopted the day that the Speaker was sworn in. Those deadlines have been with us up until today. Even though we had hoped to change them, the fact of the matter is, we did not. And Illinois citizens who have been watching the process here in Springfield knew that the deadline for the Bill activity, House Bills and House Committees, was Hay 4th or 5th, whatever it may be. It would be a disservice, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House in my judgment, to change the rules of the game for the people of Illinois who are watching the legislative process. I say to you, Mr. Speaker and Members, more than ever it is important that we maintain an orderly process in the General Assembly and that we not change rules at the last moment so that no one really knows what to anticipate or what to expect. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, if we were to extend this deadline it would mean we would have to extend other deadlines for one week or two weeks or three weeks and that would simply plunge this General Assembly and this House into utter chaos where we would have to go back to the days of the Democratic rule of the House with user lists, with Roll Calls on hundreds of Bills at once. Where you would be forced, as Legislators, to vote 'yes' or 'no' on hundreds of Bills not knowing what was being voted upon. And if you decided to stay off of those Roll Calls, you'd be criticized at home for being absentee Legislators just as the proponents of the single Member district initiative said during the course of the campaign. You cannot win if you extend the deadlines. You can simply enforce the opinion that Illinois citizens have of this Legislature by extending the deadlines. I say, Mr. Speaker and Members, we must preserve the orderly, logical 23 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 procession of the Legislative process and do so by voting 'no' on the Minority Leader's Motion to extend the deadline.
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, do you seek recognition."
"Question of the Sponsor of the Motion."
"Representative Madigan, will you yield to Representative Leverenz's questions? Indicates he will."
"Would this provide that all Bills that were posted and not heard or not posted that are assigned to the Committee be heard this coming week?"
"This Motion solely deals with the question of the Committee deadline. If this Motion is successsful, then I would think that the Majority Leader would move to postpone the posting requirements for all of the Committees so that there could be a posting until tomorrow at noon. That was the common practice under the prior administration to adjust the deadline for postage to reflect this type of change."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."
"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Majority Leader on the other side of the aisle just made some comments concerning what is happening and it's the first time I've heard on the House of the floor (sic) that the guys that are in the back seat are driving the car. Now that concerns me, Representative Telcser, because I think you must admit that the drivers and the managers of this particular Body happen to be on your side of the aisle. This might surprise you because I'm doing in deference to the leader on my side of the aisle because I think that to perpetuate the situation 24 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 we've had this last week where Members Bills are not being called because the Chairman hasn't been able those Committees to put together those Bills that are unopposed and agreed to send out to the House floor for consideration does not have the ability, in many cases, to do so because of the words from his leadership on certain Bills. I don't want to continue the agony any longer and for another week to sit in Committees for four and five hours and not have Bills called, but it's the Chairmen on your side of the aisle that are controlling those Committees. I, for one in deference to my leader and I'm sorry to say that I must do that, I will vote with your side on this issue, but I think you're wrong in your rationale. You're driving the car. You've got the horses and you can do whatever you'd like, so don't try to blame it on Members on this side of the aisle that we don't have the Bills."
"The Gentleman from Adams, Representative McClain. Representative Madigan, do you seek recognition at this point? Representative McClain."
"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to Mr. Mautino, I think that he did hit the nail on the head when he talked about that Mr. Telcser and the Republican's here in the Majority, but it's an old floor tactic if you fear that you might lose the Motion you start attacking the other side so you regroup your forces on your own side of the aisle instead of looking at the issue here. The issue for all of us is that we spent ten days on 5% gross receipts tax. We had a two week vacation and part of the rules is that we had any Bill that was put into Legislative Reference Bureau before March 15th had a right to be introduced and then impliedly to be heard. And there are a lot of Members on both sides of the aisle that truly are trying to represent their constituency and those 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day Members are just now receiving their Bills. April 30, 1981 It's not their fault the Legislative Reference Bureau. Those gentlemen and ladies are working very hard but they also were faced with a 5% gross receipts tax, hundreds of Amendments, and they were working their nails down to the bare bones also. So the object really here is that the Motion being put forth is in compliance with the rules and that is that there are a lot of Members that put in their Bills before March 15th and had not the opportunity for those Bills to be posted and heard and they should have that right. In other words, I think that the Majority Leader is wrong and if you look at your Membership instead of trying to use floor tactics you will see that your Membership is also trying to have some fairness here and trying to represent their constituency."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The problem I believe with the Motion is not that it's mistakenly intended, not that we don't need time to go to Committee and to work on problems in Committee, not that there aren't Bills with merit. I would concede all of those facts. The problem with the Motion is that we have more deadlines coming up on the Calendar because the Motions to change the rules failed. We have a Motion for final consideration of Bills in the House. There's a deadline for that and that deadline's coming up quickly and then we're going to have Senate Bills coming over and that's going to be another crunch. And then we're going to have a situation with appropriation Bills. We're going to have a close of the Session problem. We're scheduled to be in Session here every working day straight through till the 30th of June. And I'd make the prediction that we're going to be in Session most of those nights and a great number of 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 those weekends. What we have to recognize is that there's just elements of self discipline that we have to enforce. I've got Bills that I would like to have heard, but if we don't discipline ourselves to do that, if we don't discipline ourselves to deal with appropriation matters, Senate Bills, deadlines for final passage, we're never going to control this process at all. The process is going to be completely out of control. That's the problem with the Gentleman's Motion, not that in itself it's bad but that there are other deadlines that are coming up. And, for that reason, I would urge defeat of the Motion."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. All in favor will ... Representative Madigan, do you seek recognition?"
"I request a Roll Call on the Gentleman's Motion. There are people here who wish to speak and I for one am sick and tired of people being cut off."
"Representative Daniels, would you hold your Motion, please? Would you hold your Motion, Representative Daniels? The Gentleman withdraws his Motion, Representative Madigan. Would you care to speak?"
"There are people all over this side of the aisle with their hands up. Why don't you recognize them?"
"I just got through with three of them, Representative."
"... Committee Chairman."
"You had your light on. Would you care to address the Assembly, Representative Madigan? The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Schraeder."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for your indulgence. Somebody 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day on the other side of the aisle said control. April 30, 1981 something about Well, it's quite obviously there is control. It's control of the citizens of the State of Illinois by a handful of quote, 'politicians'. Now it's quite obvious to me that anybody that has legislation and represents 187,000 people ought to have the prerogative of at least getting his Bill introduced and heard in Committee. I... At least I get the thing posted. If you're going to kill it in Committee, that's one thing, but give us an opportunity. had Bills that we being drafted as of March the 11th and couldn't get them out because the Governor's Transportation Program took up ten solid days. And when I went to the Bureau, they said, 'I'm sorry we haven't worked on your Bill because we got the Governor's Bill'. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, if that's justice, if that's the legislative process, I'll eat it. think we're entitled to an extension of the deadline so these Bills can be heard in Committee and voted up or down." I
"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie." Currie: a "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I'm delighted to hear that the Majority Leader has strong commitment to orderly procedures, the right way of doing business, a care and concern for the procedural niceties that will make this House run in an orderly fashion. I say that I haven't seen any evidence that that commitment, in fact, is real. The reason that we're in this hassle and in this mess right now is because the Najority Party refused to follow orderly procedures and the right traditional way of doing business with respect to the introduction of rules. The problem is that they did not propose a set of permanent rules. They wanted their important substantive changes offered to us in a piecemeal fashion so that not only the rights of the minority political party but the 28 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 rights of every individual Member on this House floor would be denied. He said he hoped that we would change the deadlines. I don't see evidence that he did. If he had truly hoped that, there was an obvious way for him to offer us the opportunity to vote on permanent House rules and have the traditional right to offer Amendments to those House rules. Could I, Mr. Speaker, could I have order, please. Since the Majority Party is SO keen on order perhaps we could have some."
"The House will be in order. The Members will be in their seats. Mr. Doorkeeper, clear the aisles. Put the Members in their seats, Mr. Doorkeeper. Proceed, Representative."
"Instead of the Minority Leader being the fly in the ointment, the reason that things are not operating in an orderly and unchaotic fashion. I would say, in fact, he went out of his way to help the Majority Party out of the tangle it had created for itself. He offered House Resolution 117 which included all of the Republican proposed rule changes as a set of permanent rules for consideration by this Body. What happened to House Resolution 117? The Speaker of the House fast gaveled it out of contention, out of consideration by the people on this floor. Again, today the Minority Leader is graciously going out of his way to help undo the tangle the Majority Leader and the Speaker have created for us. I think instead of castigating him and trying to blame the Minority Party for the disorder that we right now face, I think that that responsibility should clearly be on the shoulders of those who gave it to us in the first place, the Majority Party, the majority Leader, and the Speaker. From the point of view of the substance of his Motion, I would argue that in fact that Majority Party as it turns out got it 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 just the way it wanted it. The reason for the introduction of the proposal to lift deadlines was to reduce the workload, reduce the opportunities for individual Members to offer their work to the House. In fact, what you've got is a crunch in which telling people we were going to lift deadlines. They perhaps were a little 'lax', a little slow and now, in fact, you've got us just where you want us with Republican Bills coming out of Committee, Democratic Bills going unheard, individual Members having their rights trampled on. Not by the Minority Leader, not by the Minority Party, but by the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader."
"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."
"Nr. Speaker and Members of the House, if this weren't so serious it would be funny. The Democrats tied up the Reference Bureau for five days drafting Amendments on the transportation Bills and now complain that the Reference Bureau isn't doing its work. They've thwarted our attempt the Rules Committee to change the rules so we would have no deadlines. Now they complain about the fact we've got deadlines. Now they're spending all afternoon tying up this House so the Committees can't meet and get the Bills out of Committees. I think if they'd be quiet a little bit, we could get a little work done around here."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kosinski."
"Nr. Speaker, I have no concern with all the political pointing of fingers here. In good conscience, I'm concerned about some of my friends, Republicans and Democrats alike. Through circumstances beyond Committee Chairmans' control are going to lose Bills in the cracks when they came down here deliberately from their districts to enter and support such Bills. Now I don't know what the 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 solution is, Mr. Speaker, but I do know there's something called fair play within the General Assembly. If it's this Resolution (sic), so be it. But I know there are people being injured, communities being injured by circumstances, and I think it's within the power of the Chair to make whatever needs... changes are needed so that these Bills can be heard. Now I know Bills 800, 900, a thousand, Mr. Speaker George. I know Bills of 800, 900, and a thousand that are going to be lost in the cracks. Republican Bills and Democratic Bills. So the heck with politics. I want these Bills heard in Committee."
"Is there any further discussion? The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I know that a little light comedy occasionally is good for our mental health but it really was something I couldn't decide whether I should laugh or cry about to hear the Majority Leader describe the great order under which we're operating under our current rules. I believe that when we get to the point of a rules change, we very seriously need to consider the matter of assigning the Majority Leader to one Committee assignment for every Committee slot that exists. He obviously is out of touch with reality and has no idea what has been going on this week in the Committee process. I recommend an 'aye' vote on this Motion."
"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, in November the voters of Illinois cut back the House by 59. In January of '81 the Speaker and honeytone, his Majority Leader, cut back the House to only 2. We have 175 that are now cut back. Because the truth of the matter is that we're not in the process any longer. First, it was the 86 over here. Well, maybe we 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day understand that. But now they've cut it April 30, 1981 back even more. 89 over there are gone. It's just honeytone and the Speaker. That's all. That's all that's left. They make the decisions for all of us. They ought to do our Committee work, period and let us all go. I guess. The truth of the matter is that the Minority Leader is not blameless in this either. After all, he's merely tried to give us the right to vote on rules. That's all he's tried to do. A shameful thing for Mr. Madigan to do. Just give us the right to put the rules on. Now, the mystery of this Session, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the real mystery is going to be, 'Why didn't George Ryan want those rules every voted here?' I don't know now. Perhaps he'd like to come off the podium and tell us because he must have some private agenda. No one knows why the rules were never voted on. That's why we're in this problem today. We have... Had we had last Session's rules adopted exactly the same as this Session's, the last day for House Bills would have been the last Friday of the first week of May. That would have given us another week, but because we have never correctly conformed the 1979 with the 1981 schedule, we are here. I'm going to support the Minority Leader's Motion. I think Members, not Democrats, not Republicans, but Members should also support it."
"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Stearney. do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would move the previous question."
"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. Representative Madigan."
"Request a Roll Call vote."
"Representative Stearney, there's only about two 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 more here to speak. Would you withdraw your Motion? Gentleman withdraws his Motion. Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, how many have heard the phrase used in the House of Representatives in the past that every Bill deserves one shot? I think that all of us have heard that phrase used and in fact we have a rule within our rules that says that a Committee Chairman shall post a Bill within 30 days after it has been assigned. We have within that rule that that Bill shall be heard within 45 days after it has been assigned. That rule was a protection that every Member have one shot. Now we not only have had.... not had one shot, as some of you Members may know. I haven't got up on the floor on a Motion on any of my Bills because I think the rules ought to protect me that I don't have to get up on the floor of the House. But what has happened, we have not only not had one shot, I had a Bill that was in the Reference Bureau in early March that yesterday was not yet assigned to any Committee. How could I have that one fair shot? I think that all of you, and I remember in all the years, the six years that we have been in control as Party that the Committee Chairmen were always instructed that before we had our last Committee that all of the Bills that were assigned shall be posted. That gave every Republican, every Democrat that one shot that you all deserve. So all we are talking again is a matter of fairness. I think the rules ought to protect all of us. I don't rise here making any disperging remarks over the Chair, over the leadership, over the Committee Chairmen or anything. All I say that I, as a Member, have not been protected by the rules and at this stage of the game the only thing that will protect me is this extension of the deadline. And I would urge the 33 31st Legislative Day. STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 Members, both Republican and Democrats, to support this Motion."
"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm really beginning to worry about the Majority Leader. I think he's losing his grip on reality. I think he needs professional help. The Majority Leader got up and spoke to us about an orderly process. In his opinion, it would be a denial of an orderly process to extend the deadline one week. And yet there is on the Calendar a Motion sponsored by the Majority Leader to extend that deadline to the summer, to next year. Indeed, to abandon it all together. If it is an abandonment of the orderly process to extend it one week, what is he trying to do to eliminate the deadline altogether? The Majority Leader also got up and spoke to us about how everyone understood exactly what was going to be happening. How everyone understood that the temporary rules were still in force and how everyone understood what the deadlines were. Well, the Majority Leader couldn't even tell us what the deadline was. He said it was May 4th or it was May 5th. He didn't know what the deadline was. So... If he doesn't know what the deadline was, how should anyone here be expected to know exactly what the deadline was? Lastly, there were a number of Bills which did not get to the printers in time to be distributed to the Committees in time to be heard this week. You cannot have hearings on Bills which are not printed, and a number of people, I understand it was about 100, but there were a number of people, whatever, that did not have their Bills printed in time to be heard this week. In fairness, at least to those people from both sides of the aisle ve should permit one weeks extension. That's 34 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 all. That ... It seems to me response to Representative Vinson's question about the other deadlines. This will give us time to consider those Bills which were not printed in time. Thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan, to close."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in closing I suggest to you once again we see as we have seen from the beginning of this Session that decision making for all 177 Members of this Body is deposited in a small click of individuals who are reside on the other side of the aisle. Whether it's the selection of the Committee structure, the Committee Chairman, the schedule for consideration or Resolutions, the schedule for consideration of the Governor's tax package; a small group of people render their decision and then everyone else is expected to live by that decision. If they rise up in protest, they are slammed down and they are said, 'These are the rules from on high'. I say to you, 'What is there to be lost by one more week of Committee consideration? What are the opponents of this Motion afraid of?' Are they afraid that someone may have a Bill heard? Are they afraid that a Bill may be reported out of the Committee 'do pass' and then that Bill will be considered on the floor of this House? Why do we fear the legislative process? What do we have to fear? I say to you, 'We have nothing to fear. That we should trust each other. That we should go to Committee and consider Bills and that we should abide by the principles of fair and honest legislative process and support this Motion.'"
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. The Motion is to suspend Rule 25D through and including May 8th for House Bills until May 15th for House appropriation Bills. 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 This issue requires 107 votes. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Collins, to explain his vote."
"Mr. Speaker, for the gang of four, the Speaker and honeytones, I vote 'no'."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Birkinbine, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I've discovered the source of the log jam. In looking at the number of Bills introduced by one of the last speakers on the other side of the aisle, that being about 37. If each of us had introduced as many Bills, we would presently be considering 6,549 Bills."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this issue there are 79 voting 'aye', 82 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and this Motion is declared lost. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I'd like to renew the Motion I started to put just prior to going to our party conferences and that is to go through the Motions that appear on todays Calendar in connection with suspension of Rule 18K so that the posting requirements for these Bills could be suspended in order for the Bills to be heard this week. Is that okay with..."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan."
"Is there any objection to my doing that from the other side?"
"I wonder if you could give the Members on this side of the aisle an opportunity to read through those Motions."
"Sure. I'd be glad to."
"Representative Telcser, would you re-state your 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 31st Legislative Day Motion for a little clarification?"
"Mr. Speaker, I'm going to move that the Bills appearing in the Order of Motions in connection with suspension of Rule 18K which is a posting requirement so that these Bills could be heard in the various Committees this week, that these Motions be adopted."
"Representative Telcser, would you read those Motions by number, please?"
"Alright. House Bill 126, 1037, 1038, 1561, 1562, 1563, 1565, 1566, 1567, House Resolution 9. Now, by House Bill 148, House Bill 1352, House Bill 32. I'm sorry, that's 321, not 32. House Bill 321. House Bill 464. Everyone that I've read is off the Calendar."
"They're all on the Calendar, Representative Matijevich. Page 19. Proceed, Representative Telcser."
"House Bill 464."
"Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, he read numbers that I did not find on the Calendar."
"Representative Madigan, if you'll follow the Calendar he read the numbers under the Motion on House Bill 126. There are several numbers there that are included in that Motion, and he read all of those for the record. And he'll do that everytime there's a Motion that's filed like that. That's a Motion by one of your Members, Representative."
"Very good."
"Now you understand what we're doing here? Proceed, Representative Telcser."
"The last one I think I read was 464. House Bill 716, House Bill 716, House Bill 786, 1246, 1260, 1261, 1262, 1268, 1391, 1689, 1690. House Bill 789. House Bill 838, House Bill 924. House Bill 958, 959, 960, and 1569. House 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 Bill 1168. House Bill 1169. House Bill 1170. House Bill 1221 and 1384. House Bill 1293. House Bill 1304. House Bill 1491. House Bill 1514. House Bill 1522. House Bill 1531. House Bill 1545. House Bill 1546. House Bill 1569. House Bill 1721, 1722, 1723, 1738, 1787. House Bill 1630. House Bill 1653. House Bill 1684. House Bill 1693. House Bill 1719. House Bill 1748. House Bill 1749. House Bill 1788. House Bill 1797. House Bill 1814. House Bill 1817. House Bill 1818. House Bill 1823. House Bill 1828. House Bill 1863. House Bill 1875. House Bill 1877, 1878, 1879. That's the list I have from the calendar."
"Representative Madigan."
"Would the Majority Leader indicate when the Committees will meet to hear the Bills where we are moving to suspend the posting requirements? As an example, Mr. Telcser, you're moving to suspend the posting requirements for Bills that have been assigned to the Revenue Committee and to the Labor and Commerce Committee. Those are just two examples. Could you tell me when those two Committees will meet to hear these Bills and when all of the Committees will meet to hear the Bills that you're moving to suspend the posting requirements."
"Mr. Telcser."
"Let me simply answer the Minority Leader by saying the Committees which will be meeting have their meeting dates posted. Committees which, as you say, the Revenue Committee, which may or may not be meeting, I suggest that the Hembers who have Bills in the Revenue Committee consult with the people who chair those Committees because unlike the charges that were made in the prior...the Motion the Minority Leader made we don't, two or three of us, do not make all of the decisions. People who chair the Committees make decisions and I could not tell you what their plans 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 are in terms of recess Committee meetings or reconvening of Committee meetings so I suggest if you have Bills in the Revenue Committee for which we've just suspended the posting notice you contact the Chairman or Chairwoman of that particular Committee."
"Mr. Speaker."
"Representative Madigan."
"Question of Representative Ewing. There is a Motion being made by Mr. Telcser on Mr. Ewing's House Bill 435. Mr. Ewing is the chairman of the Revenue Committee. Mr. Ewing when do you plan to ..."
"Mr. Ewing is absent today, Mr. Madigan."
"Oh, I see. Has he been here at all today?"
"No, he's not, Mr. Madigan. He hasn't been here."
"May I address myself to you and to the Majority Leader?"
"Proceed, Representative."
"Mr. Speaker and Mr. Majority Leader, every Member of this Body has a certain degree of intelligence in their mind and maybe you can fool yourselves with this sham that you're offering now. But you are the only two who are being fooled. You just said to me, Mr. Majority Leader, that you consult with other people. You're now making Motions to suspend posting requirements for a Committee when the Committee chairman by your Speaker's admission isn't even here today. This is a sham. It's a joke. If you wish to move ahead with it, good luck to you but you're only fooling yourselves."
"Any further discussion? Representative Slape."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've asked leave to amend the Gentleman's Motion to include House Bill 1176 so it could be posted for the Executive Committee which I've talked to the vice-chairman and he tells me that meeting will meet 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day Speaker this afternoon.
"Your Representative? April 30, 1981 The Committee will meet this afternoon." Motion is not on the calendar, Is that correct?"
"NO, Sir. There was a Motion filed but it was just filed today. I would ask leave to have the Majority Leader's Motion amended on its face."
"The Gentleman asks leave to have House Bill 1176 to suspend to have that Motion mended into Representative Telcser's Motion. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Collins."
"Mr. Speaker, I would make the same request the Majority Leader to amend the Motion to include House Resolution 226. This is not my Resolution. It is Sponsored by Representative Vito (sic)-Conti."
"The Gentleman asks leave to have House Resolution 226 added to the Gentleman's Motion."
"Mr. Speaker, I am the same Sponsorship, Zito-Conti have House Bill and I'd like to make the same request which is 1263. 1263."
"You've heard the request. Are there objections? Leave is granted, hearing no objections. Representative Meyer (Ted)." Meyer, Ted: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave that House Bill 1259 be heard in the Pensions Committee. I've spoken to Chairman McAuliffe and Spokesman DiPrima and they're both in agreement."
"Same request on 1259. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Pechous."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I too would ask leave to amend House Bill 9.. House Bill 1713 so it would be heard and posted in the Revenue Committee. The Motion has been filed and does not appear on the calendar. It is a matter of great concern to the 40 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 ethnic organizations in the seventh district. House Bill 1713."
"You've heard the Gentleman's requests. He asks leave to have the Motion amended to include House Bill 1713. Are there objections. Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Leverenz, do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would further ask that the Motion be amended to include House Bill 328 and 473 that have been assigned to the Executive Committee. They were posted and we missed the posted date so that they could be heard."
"You heard the Gentleman's request. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Doyle."
"Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the same the same favor to suspend the appropriate postings and to put the two Bills that I have amended into the original Motion to be heard this afternoon. I did discuss it with Roger McAuliffe, the chairman and Larry DiPrima the Minority Spokesman. House Bills 1870 and 1871. I'd appreciate the consideration."
"You heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you."
"Representative Ebbesen."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like leave to have Bills 1877, 1878, and 1879 heard in Transportation."
"The Gentleman asks for the same request. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Wolf." Wolf, J. J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I received leave to have a Bill posted in Personnel Veteran... Veteran Affair Personnel Pensions. I missed three others I thought 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 Chairman McAuliffe had taken care of it, was supposed to be honored as House Bills 545, 546, and 547."
"Same request from Representative Wolf concerning House Bill 545, 546 and 547. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Bowman."
"I would just like to ask the nature of the Motion that we're amending if he considers this an orderly process. If we'd just simply suspend the deadline rule we wouldn't be having this chaos. This is not an orderly process, Mr. Majority Leader."
"Representative McPike."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have the same request for House Bill 1556 that has been assigned to Labor and not posted."
"What was the number again, Representative?"
"1556."
"Same request on House Bill 1556. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Kane, I'm not sure whether you seek recognition or from me or you're trying to get somebody else's attention. I don't see any lights here. Do you seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I believe my light is not working on your console. I would like to amend the Motion to include House Bill 1758 and ask that it be posted for Revenue Committee."
"What was the number again?"
"1758."
"You heard the Gentleman's Motion on 1758. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted."
"Thank you."
"Is there anybody else? Representative Donovan."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to amend the same Motion and 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 include House Bill 1400 to be heard tomorrow in the Labor Committee."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion on House Bill 1400. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Smith (M.)." Smith, M.: "Mr. Speaker, I request that Bill #1881 will also be put on."
"1881?" Smith, M.: "Yes."
"You've heard the Lady's request. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted." Smith, M.: "Thank you."
"Representative Wolf (J. J.)." Wolf, J. J.: "Yes, Mr. Speaker, one more in Chairman McAuliffe's absence I was just advised that he is the Sponsor of House Bill 1535 and he is on his way down from Chicago and will need leave to have House Bill 1535 heard in Executive Committee today."
"You've heard the Gentleman's request. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Alright, does anybody else want to add on to this list and amend Representative Telcser's Motion? You've heard the question. Representative Madigan."
"Speaker, for the purpose of orderliness let's make sure that everybodys got their Motions on here. Now, let's be loud about it when you ask if they want to add on to the Motion."
"Why don't you asked them, Representative Madigan? We'll turn the mikes up for you."
"You're the Speaker now, Mr. Speaker. Let's be orderly about this and let's shout is out as you shouted out that everybody should sit down and be quite. If they want to add on to this very orderly Motion." 43 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981
"Representative Darrow."
"Would you add on House Bill 143, please?"
"What's the number, Representative?"
"143."
"143? Is that what he said? Gentlemen asks leave for House Bill 143. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Collins."
"Mr. Speaker, yesterday Representative Deuchler was granted leave to suspend the posting rules so that her Bill, House Bill 1830, could be heard today in Committee. The Motion was improperly put in that the Motion was put that it would be heard in the Executive today. The proper Committee should have been Public Institutions and Social Services. I would ask that that correction could be made and the Motion be put in proper form and that she be granted leave now so that the Bill could be heard today in Public Institutions and Social Services."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, for your edification, House Bill 143, in your orderly fashion..."
"Just a minute, Representative Madigan. Representative Telcser, did you seek recognition?"
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, the Gentleman from the other side of the aisle was having a little fun and he included 143 in his Motion which is a Bill we called yesterday on... Consent, and if no one cares, I withdraw my Motion if they wish? If the Members on the other side want to have a good time..."
"Are you going to withdraw your Motion, Representative Telcser?"
"I really don't. I want to help the Members to get some Bills called in Committees that are still meeting or may 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 meet tomorrow. But I do want you to know that 143 was a Bill we passed yesterday."
"Representative Darrow, was that the number you gave me, 143? Do I have the correct number?"
"I believe it was. That's just to illustrate how ridiculous this whole thing is. I would feel that the Majority Leader might withdraw his whole Motion. This has gotten way out of hand."
"If the Members on the other side want me to withdraw my Motion, I'll withdraw it. If the Minority Leader wants my Motion withdrawn, I'll withdraw it. Is that what the Minority Leader wishes?"
"Representative Madigan?"
"Just to be on the record. That is not my request, Mr. Telcser."
"Then I wish to put my Motion."
"We have Representative Breslin seeks recognition."
"Could I have House Bill 1873 heard in Personnel and Pensions? Have that added. I assure you that it is in Personnel and Pensions."
"What's the number, Representative?"
"1873."
"Could you hold your Motion just for a minute. Representative Collins had given us a Motion earlier. I asked for objections and recognized Representative Madigan. Did you object to Representative Collins'? Are there any objections to Representative Collins' Motion? Hearing none, leave is granted. Now, Representative Breslin, what's your number?"
"1873."
"You've heard the Lady's request. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Findley." 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I ask leave to suspend the posting requirements so that the Executive Committee may hear the following Bills sponsored by me: 1797, 1814, 1828."
"You asked leave to suspend the Motion that's before the House. Are there objections? Representative Madigan."
"Question. Are the Bills assigned to the Executive Committee?"
"Representative, I filed a Motion to that effect yesterday. I do not know. The Motion is printed in the House Calendar today."
"Read the numbers again would you, Representative Mays (sic). Give us the numbers again."
"1797, 1814, 1828."
"We'll check it for you, Representative Madigan. In the mean time, Representative Schuneman."
"Mr. Speaker, I need to get some information before I make my Motion."
"Representative Piel."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Rule 18K I would ask that we suspend the posting requirements to Rule 18 in relation to the following Committee Bills, Registration and Regulation..."
"A little louder, please."
"Registration and Regulation on House Bill 1744."
"I think the proper Motion, Representative, is to ask leave to suspend ... to be included in the Motion ... that's to amend the Motion on the floor. Is that your request?"
"Please."
"Are there objections? Representative Lechowicz."
"I object." 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981
"Representative Lechowicz objects. It takes unanimous leave. Representative Madigan. House Bill... on the Bills of Representative Mays (sic) House Bill 1797 is in the Executive Committee. House Bill 1814 is the Energy and Environment Committee, and House Bill 1828 is in the Personnel and Pensions."
"Maybe the Gentleman would like to withdraw the second two Motions. He's attempting to suspend the posting requirements for the Executive Committee but they're assigned to another Committee."
"Well, maybe he'd like to change his Motion to put these back... to suspend the rules in these Committees. Is that right, Representative?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would so do."
"Now..."
"What is the Motion now?"
"He is asking leave like everybody else has, to Representative Madigan, to amend the present Motion, Representative Telcser's Motion, to include House Bill 1797, 1814, and 1828. And 1797 to the Executive... suspend the posting rules for the Executive Committee, 1814 for Energy and Environment, and 1828 for Personnel and Pensions. Do you have objections to that?"
"No, just a question. When will the Energy Committee meet?"
"The Energy Committee... May I speak? Energy and Environment meets this afternoon at 4:00 p.m. and again at 6:00 p.m."
"And then when will the Personnel and Pensions Committee meet?"
"Representative McCormick."
"Mr. Speaker, I might as well make it known right now. We're going to meet at 4:00 or immediately after 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 31st Legislative Day adjournment if it's after 4:00 and we're going to be in C-1. And you Members, if you're interested in anything, you better be there because the Chairman is not in town right now and he may not get back in time. And if I have my way, I'll call every Bill and I'll listen to a few of you and we're going to vote on them. We're not going to stay here all night and we're not going to have anymore meetings unless the Chairman comes back and does it different from what I think it should be done. So you'd better be there and you better have your Bills ready if you expect to be heard."
"Representative Madigan."
"It was a fine speech by Mr. McCormick but which Committee does he speak for. He didn't tell us."
"Personnel and Pension."
"Okay. So now we've established a meeting of the Personnel and Pension Committee at 4:00."
"Alright. You heard Representative Telcser's Motion. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye'... Representative Madigan."
"Don't you think it's fair for the people who will be voting on this Motion to tell them whether these Committees will be meeting. If we've established a meeting of Personnel and Pensions Committee, maybe some of your other Chairmen or Vice-Chairmen would like to establish a meeting of their Committee."
"You would like all of the Committee Chairmen to announce, Representative?"
"I'm just making a suggestion to you, the manager of this House."
"Representative Catania, for what purpose do you Catania: seek recognition?" "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to announce that 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 31st Legislative Day Public Institutions is meeting in the broom closet, 122B, at 4:00 p.m. Please be prompt."
"Representative Huskey."
"Plenty of room for everyone."
"Well, Mr. Chairman (sic), we have a nice big meeting room. We have D-1 tomorrow morning at 8:00 and we've got all these people that are crying that their Bills are not going to be heard. Actually, we posted them and we've called several of them many times over. But tomorrow morning, they'll get their last chance so I hope to see all the Sponsors of the Bills at 8:00 at the Motor Vehicle. Even Roland Kosinski says he's going to be there so be sure you join him. 8:00 and we'll see that you get a real good, fast, quick gavel on your Bills."
"Representative Wikoff."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Cities and Villages which is posted on the Calendar for tomorrow morning at 0800 in room C 114 will be or in 114 has been moved to 122B, 0800 tomorrow morning. That's 8:00 for you peasants."
"Representative Schuneman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The House Labor and Commerce Committee will meet in room 114 tomorrow morning at 10:00."
"Representative Davis."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Subcommitte on General Government of the Appropriations Committee will hear all the remaining commission Bills in Subcommittee tomorrow morning at 0800 in room 114. The Committee on State Government Organizations will be meeting tomorrow at noon in room 122B, I hope."
"Representative Winchester."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The House Elections Committee will be meeting tonight at 6:00. This will be our last meeting. We'll be in D-1. Those Sponsors who 49 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 came to our meeting last night and presented their Bills, we will take the vote on it. I ask that those Sponsors that appeared last night be at the Committee hearing at 6:00, D-1."
"Representative McMaster."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Counties and Townships Committee will meet immediately after adjournment if we every adjourn and a recess meeting in room 118 immediately after adjournment and I hope we can clean up the rest of the Bills on our Calendar, and we have posted everyone's Bills whether they have asked me or whether they haven't. You will all have an opportunity to be heard but remember, be there. 118."
"Representative Meyer." Meyer (Ted): "Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic). The recessed Land Fill Siting Committee of the Energy Environmental Committee meeting will reconvene at 4:00 this afternoon in D-1. Das in dog, 1, in the Stratton Building."
"Representative Barnes."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The recessed meeting of the Health and Family and Services Committee will meet in Room 114 at 4:00."
"Representative Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to be included in the suspension of the rules... posting rules with House Bill 264 and 782. As you can see they're old Bills and I've been waiting very patiently for them to be posted and so far as I know, they haven't been."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Steczo."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I ask leave of the House to have House Bill 1696 placed on the Interim Study 50 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 Calendar, please."
"Are there objections? Hearing none, 1696 will be placed on the Interim Study Calendar. The... Mr. Preston. Representative Preston."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to move for suspension of the appropriate rules to have House Bills 136, 1453, 230, 231, 232 and 233 placed on Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Henry."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I filed three Motions to suspend the posting requirements on three different Committees and I have not... as a request from the Minority Leader, Representative Madigan, I have not heard any comments from the Executive Committee or the Insurance Committee. I would like to suspend the posting requirement on Executive Committee for House Bill 691, House Bill 1151, House Bill 1649, House Bill 1650, and House Bill 1488. The same Motion, Mr. Speaker, for Pension and Personnel is House Bill 1423, and House Bill 1424. Also for the Insurance Committee House Bill 1627 and House Bill 1639."
"Representative Epton."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, particularly my colleague across the aisle, I would like to accomodate him from the Insurance Committee, but unfortunately we have adjourned and there's no point in posting the Bills because it can't be heard. I suggest you put them in the Interim Study."
"Representative Henry."
"In respect to the illustrious Chairman of the Insurance Committee, I do make that Motion that House Bill 1627 and House Bill 1639 be placed in Interim Study Commission. But, Mr. Speaker, the other two Committees I would prefer 51 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 to have those Bills posted."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion on 1627 and 1639. He'd like to have leave to put them in Interim Study Committee (sic). Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. His Notion on the other Bills that he read is to amend Representative Telcser's Motion in the suspension of the rules. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Wolf." Wolf (Sam): "Mr. Speaker, I request leave of the House to put House Bill 1716 in Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Schuneman."
"Mr. Speaker, three Sponsors of Bills asked me to place Bills that are in Labor and Commerce in Interim Study. We weren't able to do it because of the posting rules so I would ask leave that House Bill 208, Representative Balanoff, House Bill 331, Bradley, House Bill 1514, Findley that we have leave to place those Bills in Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Do you object, Representative Stuffle? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Daniels."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I have on my right, Representative Stearney, who is the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Now, this morning I went in before his Committee and he gave me a full, fair and complete hearing on House Bill 1015 on eavesdropping. Now, I'm very serious, Mr. Speaker, about that legislation and I lost it. I lost it. After a fair hearing. Mr. Speaker, I move that we bypass that Committee, bypass the House and bypass the Senate and send that Bill direct to the Governor." 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day
"Representative Madigan."
April 30, 1981 "I move to amend the Gentleman's Motion that it be directly to State's Attorney Daley."
"Representative Tuerk." sent
"Mr. Speaker, I finally caught up with one of by Bills. It's House Bill 1715 and it has been assigned to Elections and I would move to suspend that posting rule so that that could be heard."
"Gentleman moves to amend Representative Telcser's Motion to include House bill 1715. Are there objections? Representative Madigan, do you object?"
"Question. Is the Bill printed?"
"Pardon?"
"Has the Bill been printed?"
"Yes, the Bill's been printed."
"As far as I know it has."
"Yes, the Bill's been printed. Is there leave? Leave is granted. Representative Rea."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I would ask leave to place House Bill 1491 in Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Stuffle."
"Yes, I would ask leave to place House Bills 1278 and 1279 in Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative White."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to ask leave to place House Bill 906 on Interim Study Calendar."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day Representative Leverenz." April 30, 1981
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like leave to place House bill 1631 on the Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Piel."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave of the House to put in Interim Study on Registration and Regulation House Bill 1744."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Do you object, Representative Pierce on this Motion? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Sandquist."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I ask leave on behalf of Representative Mautino, myself and Representative Steele that three Bills in Registration and Regulation be placed on Interim Study. That is House Bill 367, House Bill 468, and House Bill 1101."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Smith."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave of the House to hear House Bills 1811, 1812, and 1813 be placed on Representative Telcser's Motion."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Pierce."
"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to place House Bill 343 in Interim Study Calendar, Environment and Energy Committee."
"What was that number, Representative?"
"343."
"343? Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Pechous." 54 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981
"Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to place House Bill 861 on the Interim Study Calendar."
"You've heard the Motion... the request. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Van Duyne, you got another one?"
"Mr. Speaker, thank you, very much. It would really be a favor to me personally and not only expeditiously if you would allow me to transfer the Bills that you were very generous in exempting from the posting regulations to be heard in Counties and Townships of which I'm a Member. Right now they're assigned to Executive. They do have to do with local governments and they could be heard in Counties and Townships just as well."
"What Committee are they now in, Representative?"
"Executive."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Objections have been noted, Representative. They'll have to stay in Exec."
"Could I talk to the person who objects and maybe have then relieved?"
"You want to go over and talk to them you can."
"Who objects?"
"Well, Representative Vinson, Representative Telcser."
"Okay. I'll go over and talk to them."
"Representative Zito."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave of the House to place House Bill 1486 on Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Mulcahey."
"Mr. Speaker, I'd ask leave of the House to have House Bill 684 placed on the Calendar of Second Reading, First 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day Legislative Day."
April 30, 1981 "What was the Motion, Representative?"
"Have House Bill 684 placed on the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day."
"Representative Wolf, do you object to that?" Wolf (J. J.): "No Committee hearings?"
"Yes, Sir."
" "Are you seeking to advance the Bill without reference to Committee?"
"Thank you."
"Representative Telcser."
"I object."
"Representative Telcser objects, Representative. Alright. Representative Vitek."
"Mr. Speaker, just a point of announcement. I know that it's of interest to every Member on this House floor and to you, Mr. Speaker and to your leaders. One of your Members and my fellow Member from the 23rd District, Bill Margalus, I just got a call from his daughter and Bill has been saved by his pacemaker and he's coming along pretty good in Intensive Care right now. I thought it would be of interest."
"Thank you, very much, Representative. That's good neys. Alright. Representative Telcser, would you put your Motion again without all the Bills? The Gentleman reneus his Motion. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Requires 107 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this issue there are 133 voting 'aye', 8 voting 'no', and none voting 'present' and the Gentleman's Motion carries. Representative Swanstrom."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The recessed meeting of the House Executive Committee will meet in A-1. A-1 for the 56 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 Executive Committee immediately after adjournment."
"That's in the Stratton Building, is that right Representative? A-1 in the Stratton Building?"
"That is correct."
"Alright. Are there any further announcements? Representative Vinson."
"I withdraw my objection to Representative Van Duyne's request."
"Well, we've already passed the Motion, Representative."
"His request did not deal with that Motion, Mr. Speaker."
"Yes, I believe his Motion was to change the Committees on the Bills that we just passed and it's already been passed, Representative. And your request is not timely. Representative Van Duyne."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With leave of the Chair I'd like to renew my Motion. I think it's a responsible request. I sit in Counties and Townships now and really would be just as easy to have them heard there rather than inconveniencing the Executive Committee. And as I said, I've talked to the leadership on your side and they have removed their objection. So I renew my Motion."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker, I now move the House stand adjourned until Friday, May 1 at 2:00 p.m."
"Would you hold that Motion just for just a minute?"
"Sure."
"Representative Telcser, we have an Agreed Resolution. Representative Reilly, did you have an announcement?" 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes. The Human Services Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee will meet here on the House floor instead of in 114 immediately after adjournment. We will take testimony. This afternoon at 7:00 tonight we will begin voting on Amendments. Thank you."
"Representative O'Brien, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. If it's not too late. I'd like to have House Bill 1597 placed in Interim Study."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Are there objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Collins on Agreed Resolution 245. Mr. Clerk, would you read that Resolution, please?"
"House Resolution 245, Lechowicz, et al. Whereas, we have recently learned the David Epstein and Susan Gordy will become husband and wife on Sunday, May 3, 1981 in the City of Chicago. Whereas, their parents, Mr. and Mrs. Milton Herman Epstein and Mr. and Mrs. Harold Clarence Gordy will conduct a reception for David and Susan at the East Bank Club, 500 North Kingsbury Street, in Chicago, at five o'clock that afternoon; and Whereas, David's first professional..."
"Just a minute, Mr. Clerk. This Resolution, I think, is of interest to all of the Members that have been here awhile. It concerns David Epstein and I think maybe you'd like to hear it. Would you start from the beginning, Mr. Clerk?"
"House Resolution 245, Lechowicz, et al. Whereas, we have recently learned that David Epstein and Susan Gordy will become husband and wife on Sunday, May 3, 1981 in the City of Chicago. Whereas, their parents, Mr. and Mrs. Milton Herman Epstein and Mr. and Mrs. Harold Clarence 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 Gordy will conduct a reception for David and Susan at the East Bank Club, 500 North Kingsbury Street in Chicago at five o'clock that afternoon. Whereas, David's first professional relationship with the Illinois General Assembly began in the year of 1968 when he served as a legislative intern; and after that experience he remained with the General Assembly as a member of the House Democratic Staff where he achieved the status of chief attorney for the Democrat leadership and, ultimately, that of the House Parliamentarian, which position he occupied with distinction during the 79th, 80th, and 81st General Assemblies. Whereas, Susan, also an attorney, is a registered Lobbyist for the prestigious First National Bank of Chicago; therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the 82nd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, that we congratulate the soon-to-be Mr. and Mrs. David Epstein on the occasion of their coming nuptials, that we express to them our warmest regards and that we extend our best wishes that they enjoy a long, happy and fruitful marriage; and be it further resolved, that suitable copies of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to the future Mr. and Mrs. David Epstein."
"David, we're going to give you 30 seconds on the microphone there at Representative Lechowicz's desk. You've never been at a loss for words. I'm certain that you aren't now."
"If I've never before been at a loss for words, this is the time. It's been a long time coming. I'm ready."
"That's what Susan said."
"That is what Susan said. Thank you all and I'll be seeing you after the wedding and after an all too short honeymoon." 59 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981
"Our best of everything to you, to both of you, David. Congratulations to you. Representative Lechowicz."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As we walk through the General Assembly and meet many people, both elected officials and staff, I think there develops a very strong bond of friendship, reliance, trust, and I believe that no matter what side of the aisle you are on, no matter what political party you may belong to, you ask David Epstein a question he would give you his best judgment possible to answer that question. And, to you, David and Susie, I want to extend to you nothing but best wishes and good health and happiness in your years together and may the bond and friendship that's transpired between you now only grow stronger as the years come about. Mr. Speaker, I also ask leave of the House to include all the Membership of the House on the Resolution."
"Gentleman asks leave. Are there objections?"
"I move for the adoption."
"Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, let me simply say, I reinforce what Representative Lechowicz said and say from this side of the aisle that David has become, for all of us, a good friend. Someone who has a wealth of knowledge and resource. Susan is a lovely, fine, bright, young woman and I know they're going to have and hope they have a very long, happy life. And, David, also at times is a respected adversary when he makes a point for his side of the aisle. And so, David, let me also, for the rest of us in the House on both sides of the aisle wish both of you well, long life, happiness, and good health."
"Representative Davis."
"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to add my 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day April 30, 1981 congratulations to one of the brightest minds that I've ever met in the Legislature, to David and Susan. I would also like to recommend to Clerk, Tony Leone who read the Resolution, that he continue his diction and allocution lessons with Jack O'Brien."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of Resolution 245. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no'. Well, there's a few people here that don't want you to get married, David. The Resolution is declared passed. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 238, Barkhausen, 240, Hanahan, et al, 241, Preston, 243, Kornowicz, et al, 244, Schraeder, et al, 246, Swanstrom."
"Representative Collins on the Agreed Resolutions."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Resolution 238, Barkhausen congratulates Thomas and Eleanor Rostron for receiving the Book of Golden Deeds Award. House Resolution 240, Hanahan represents... congratulates Mr. James H. McGrath at a testimonial dinner. House Resolution 241, Preston congratulates Mr. Joseph J. Bergman for his work in the cause of senior citizens. House Resolution 243, Kornowicz congratulates Mr. and Mrs. James Cocciottolo on their Golden Wedding Anniversary. House Resolution 244, Schraeder congratulates Elizabeth M. Cleaver for being named Tri-County Citizen of the Year and School Board Member of the Year, and House Resolution 246, Swanstrom congratulates Mr. and Mrs. Bernard Swanstrom on their 50th Wedding Anniversary and they are the cousins of Representative Nord Swanstrom. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no' and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. 61 31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 30, 1981 Further Resolutions."
"House Resolution 239, Garmisa, Neff, Madigan, Ryan."
"Committee on Assignments. Change of vote."
"Representative Zwick requests to vote 'no' on Representative Telcser's Motion to suspend Rule 18K."
"Are there objections to the Lady's Motion? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Telcser, do you care... recognition? your Motion?" Representative Madigan, do you seek Representative Telcser, do you care to renew
"Mr. Speaker, I move that the House now stand adjourned until Friday, May 1, at the hour of 2:00 p.m."
"You've heard the Motion. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the House stands adjourned." 62