Illinois House Floor Debate — April 7, 1983

"The House shall come to order. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led today in prayer by the... Representative Brookins. Representative Brookins. Representative Brookins. Could I have your attention, please? We shall be led in prayer today by the Reverend Eric Stumpf, Pastor of the Faith Evangelical Lutheran Church, in Cicero, Illinois. Reverend Stumpf is a guest of Representative Judy Topinka. Will the guests in the gallery please rise to join us in the invocation?"

"Dearest heavenly Father, we praise You for all the blessings our nation enjoys. Forgive us when we sin and follow other councils, rather than look to You as God and Lord of our lives. Bless our state and its law makers , in their tasks and responsibilities. Guide them by Your holy spirit, to legislate for the common good, and be Your instruments of justice, benevolence, and peace. Instill in their hearts a zeal to seek the better way, a desire to be impartial, and to honor their office. By Your grace, we yield our persons to Your will. In the name of our resurrected Lord, Jesus Christ, Your Son, Our Savior. Amen."

"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Topinka. Would you come to the podium, please? We are on Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Greiman, are there any excused absences?" 1  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Representatives Henry Dunn, Shaw, Vitek, and Taylor are ill today, and I'd appreciate the record indicating. Representative Taylor was ill yesterday, and the record did not..."

"Let the record show that those Representatives are excused. Mr. Greiman."

"Representative Alexander is excused for official business. The record should show that, too."

"Let the record also show that Representative Alexander is excused. Mr. Reilly. Do you know if there are any excused absences on the Republican side? For what purpose does Representative Bopp seek recognition?"

"... Mr. Speaker. I raise... I have a point of personal privilege. I have a comment on our agricultural situation across the street."

"Could I implore upon you to hold that just for a little bit? We'll surely come back to you. If... Mr. Clerk, take the record. We'll enter the Republican absences at a later time. Mr. Vinson, you're 6 minutes late. Mr. Vinson, do you know the Republican absences? Mr. Vinson."

"Apart from the ones which may be resulting from Committees which are in session, while the House is supposed to be in Session, Mr. Speaker, I'm aware of Representative Daniels, Davis, and Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Vinson. Let the record show that those Representatives are excused. Would Mr. McPike come to the podium? Mr. Clerk, have you taken the record? And there are 108 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call. There is a quorum present. Mr. Clerk, what business do you have? Introduction and First Reading."

"House Bill 1108, Giglio, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. First 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day Reading of the Bill. of April 7, 1983 House Bill 1109, Bowman Greiman to Braun, a Bill for an Act in relation to tenants rights. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1110, McMaster, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department Agriculture. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1111, Leverenz, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1112, Hatijevich Steczo, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the State Board of Education. first Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1113, Stuffle, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation the State Board of Education. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1114, Didrickson, a Bill for an Act relating to special education services for handicapped children. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1115, Yourell, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1116, Mulcahey, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1117, Steczo, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Construction Bond Act. First Beading of the Bill. House Bill 1118, McPike, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1119, Kirkland, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1120, Stuffle, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1121, John Dunn DiPrima, a Bill for an Act to regulate the selling, practice of fitting, dispensing, or servicing of hearing aides in the state of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1122, Sam Wolf, a Bill for an Act in relation to the salaries and fees of the Clerks of the Supreme and Appellate Courts. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1123, Sam Wolf, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metro-east 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Sanitary District Act. First Reading of the Bill."

"Committee reports."

"Representative Domico, Chairman of the Committee on Registration and... Registration and Regulation, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass' House Bill 552 and 562. Representative Christensen, Chairman from the Select Committee on Aging, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bill 424; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 54. Representative Steczo, Chairman of the Committee on Counties and Townships, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass House Bills 381 and 701; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 398; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 576. Representative Mulcahey, Chairman of the Committe on Elementary and Secondary Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: House... 'do pass' House Bills 631, 694, 563, 754, and 633; 'do pass as amended House Bill 351, 631, 477, and 722; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 628; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bills 629 and 669. Interim Study Calendar, House Bill 458. Representative Van Duyne, Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Environment, and Natural Resources, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, report the same back with following recommendation: 'do pass' House Bills 494, 691, and 771. Representative Satterthwaite, Chairman of the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were 4  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 referred, action taken April 6, 1983, report the same back with following recommendation: 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 196. Representative Wolf, Chairman of the Committee on Personnel and Pensions, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, report the same back with following recommendations: 'do pass House Bills 758, 429, and 675; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 380, 637, 377, 379, and 638; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 776; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 755; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 639."

"Senate Bills First Reading."

"Senate Bill 177, Representative Reilly, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Public Aid. First Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. By agreement with Representative Bowman, the Chairman of Appropriations II, I would move that this Bill be advanced to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. It is a supplemental. We discussed it thoroughly in Committee this morning. It is important that it move along through the process, so on that basis, I would make that Motion."

"The Gentleman has moved to advance Senate Bill... Senate Bill 177 to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. Are there any objections? Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. He is quite correct. We did have a hearing on the subject matter of this Bill in Committee today because it is important, and we anticipated that we might not be able to get control of the Bill in time to 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 actually post the Bill, itself, for hearing, but we did consider the issue. One of the... matters that needed to be resolved was that ve needed to secure an agreement between the Illinois Department of Labor and the Illinois Department of Public Aid, as to how these monies, which are to be appropriated by the Bill, shall be spent. I do have, in my hand here, a signed agreement, signed by both directors of those de... agencies, in accordance with the testimony we heard today. So I think everything is in order, and I would support the Gentleman's Motion to advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day, without reference to a Committee."

"The Gentleman has moved to advance Senate Bill 177 to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Motion... the Motion reguires a unanimous consent. I would ask leave to use the Attendance Roll Call. Are there any objections? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"What are you asking unanimous consent for?"

"For Bepresentative Reilly's Motion."

"Well, it's got to be a good Motion, if it's his."

"Hearing по objections, unanimous consent is granted. Senate Bill 177 will be placed on the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. On the Calendar, on page 3, under the Order of Second Reading appears House Bill 244. Representative Nash. For what reason does the Gentleman from DeWitt rise, Representative Vinson?"

"Mr. Speaker. I would just suggest that since a number of Judiciary Committee Members aren't here, it might be appropriate to call over to the Judiciary Committee and tell them that the House is in Session."

"I understand that the Committee has adjourned, 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 and thank you for the suggestion. Is Representative Nash in the chamber? Do you want to call... out of the record. House Bill 275. Representative McGann. Representative McGann. Out of the record. House Bill 276. Representative Levin. Representative Levin on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 277. Representative Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 280. Representative Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 295. Representative Satterthwaite. Out of the record. Representative Jaffe on House Bill 319. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk.

"House Bill 319, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law relating to industrial home work. Third Reading... Second Reading of the Bill. This Bill has been read a second time previously."

"Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. It is my attention today to put the Bill in absolutely perfect shape, and as you know we've had this Bill on the floor for a long period of time, but I think we now have everything straightened out and can do that. So therefore, I have filed a Motion, and I would move to reconsider Amendment #2, and I have filed a written Motion on that, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman has moved to reconsider Amendment #2. Is there any discussion?"

"Okay. Next Mr. Speaker, I would move to table Amendment #2."

"There's no discussion. The Gentleman has moved to table Amendment #2. Is that correct, Representative Jaffe?"

"That's correct."

"The Gentleman has moved to table Amendment #2. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day

April 7, 1983 "Amendment #11. No other Amendments are now adopted to the Bill. Amendment #11, Vinson, amends House Bill 319 as amended in the paragraph, donated as Section G and so forth."

"Representative Vinson, on the Amendment."

"... take it out of the record, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Vinson, do you want to withdraw Amendment #11? Amendment #11 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Amendment #12, Barger, amends House Bill 319 as amended by inserting immediately after the last sentence of the paragrapgh donated, denoted as Subsection G of Section 2 the following, so forth."

"Representative Barger, on the Amendment. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Representative Jaffe. Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Here's the Gentleman."

"I'm sorry. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger, on Amendment #12. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe."

"... Mr. Speaker. I would question the germaneness of Amendment #12, and I think... okay, well, yeah... well, not only is it... is this also... it's also out of order. It says Amendment to House Bill 319 as amended. There are no Amendments on 319 at this time."

"Representative Jaffe. We will give you a ruling in just a second on that. Representative Jaffe."

"I have two objections to that Amendment. Number one, the form is amended, and the second thing, its germaneness. This has nothing to do with municipal governments or governments of any kind. So I do... do not believe it's germane." 8  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Well, Mr. Speaker. In addressing Mr. Jaffe's objections, and for the purpose of consideration by the Parliamentarian in the Chair, I would point out, number one, that the Calendar today shows the Bill as being an 'amended Bill'. How else can a Member file an Amendment unless he can trust to the Calendar, and the words 'as amended' certainly have... do no violence to the purpose, intent, or the understanding of Members of the chamber, regarding the Amendment. Number two, regarding germaneness. As I have briefly read the Gentleman's Amendment, the Gentleman's Amendment stengthens the Bill. It makes clear that the Bill applies in home rule units, as well as nonhome rule units, and it's thoroughly consistant with the general thrust of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger."

"Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry that I was a little bit late getting here, but that is over and done with. This Amendment was..."

"Sir... sir, could you hold that until we rule on Representative Jaffe's part... point."

"Right."

"Thank you. The Chair rules the Amendment is in... is in order. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger, on the Amendment."

"I appreciate the fact that Amendment #12 can be considered as an Amendment to a Motion that has been amended. In this particular case, I discussed the basic Bill yesterday with the representatives of the Ladies Garment Workers Union, and I told them about this Amendment, that I had suggested, which would protect their 9  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 people, not only in the small communities but also in the large communities, which have home rule and which could overcome the intent of this Bill by imposing their home rule rights to ignore it. This Amendment is highly desirable. It strengthens the intent of Mr. Jaffe's Bill, and I feel that it is in order. It is desirable. The Ladies Garment Workers feel that it is desirable, and I am most happy to have the opportunity to serve them by presenting it. Thank you."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #12. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffee."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. This is a specious Amendment. It really is an Amendment of the worst sort. All that it tries to do is to attach something on to this Bill that will make it require a three-fifths vote. That's all that it does. This Bill has nothing to do with home rule units. The Ladies Garment Workers are not for it. They're absolutely against it. They don't want it. I don't know of anybody that wants it, outside of the people who want to cripple this particular Bill. I... you should just vote 'no' on this Amendment."

"Is there further discussion? No further discussion, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had not anticipated that Mr. Jafee, whom I know to be a strong proponent of labor legislation, would not be in favor of having his Bill strengthened. I still hold that this is a good Amendment. It is desirable. The representatives of the garment workers, that I did speak to yesterday, favored it, and I... would request a positive vote on this issue. Thank you." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #12. All those in favor indi... indicate by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no". have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 46 'ayes', 58 'no', 1 voting 'present'. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #13, Jaffe."

"Representative Jaffe."

"Well, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to move to table Amendment #13 and move on to... withdraw Amendment #13."

"Amendment 13 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #14, Jaffe."

"Representative Jaffe."

"Yeah, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #14 is the Amendment I think now, in good shape, that has all the things on that people have requested that are reasonable. It has the Illinois Retail Merchants Association definition of 'garments', and they do not oppose it with this particular Amendment. I have satisfied Representative Koehler's objection with the reference to repairs and so on and so forth. I've also satisfied Representative Bastert's objection, and in addition to that we've also satisfied Representative Younge's objection because the paragraph says that it does not apply to producer cooperatives, and I would move to adopt Amendment #14."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #14. Is there any discussion? The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, will this exempt people who make 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 28th Legislative Day garments or other articles on consignment for small shops? Will they be exempted from coverage?"

"Yeah, you're taking about the individual who's going to make a ski cap or something and then sell it to a store. Is that right?"

"Yes. And they're not really under the employment of the shop."

"... the only person that this Bill applies employer. to is the So that person is not included. There's been a lot of conversation on the floor of the House about these women who wake ski caps in their homes, and then sell at the stores. They are not covered under this Act. That has really been misleading."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Any further discussion? to close." Representative Jaffe,

"Mr. Speaker. I think everybody understands this particular Amendment, and I would urge an "aye vote on it."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #14. All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye, opposed vote "no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. 00 this Amendment there are 84 ayes", 14 nos, none voting 'present'. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

14 Clerk O'Brien: "No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 336. Representative Representative Preston, in the chamber? Out of Preston. the record. of the record. House Bill 394. Representative Leverenz. Out House Bill 454. Representative Huff. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 454, a Bill for an Act to amend 12  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 Sections of an Act creating the Chicago Community School Study Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. NO Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Zwick Tate, amends House Bill 454, on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Mr. Speaker, I have an inquiry of the Chair. I believe that this Bill is... this Amendment is not germane. It refers in... on line 5, page 1, to an Act to abolish certain advisory bodies. The Bill refers to study commissions, so I believe that the... in one particular study commission, so I believe that this Amendment would be nongermane."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think this is a particularly important ruling for the following reason, the Sponsor of the Bill has offered a Bill which would affect a particular state agency. The Gentleman sponsoring the Amendment, Amendment #1, has offered on a Bill... had offered an Amendment which would also affect that agency. It would affect other agencies as well, admittedly. But if you can't affect more than one agency on an Amendment to a Bill which starts out as a Bill for one agency, then we're going to get into very serious problems in the rest of this session. And I'm going to ask that the ruling be read in detail, into the record, and I'm going to quote that ruling on a number of Sessions later... on a number of times later in this Session if that ruling should hinge on what I suspect it may." 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983

"The Chair rules Amendment #1 is out of order. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments. Third Reading. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Now Mr. Speaker, I asked you to explain why the Amendment was out of order at the time of my inquiry, and I would ask you to do that now. It's also appropriate after you make a ruling, to offer the opportunity for Members of the chamber to overrule the Chair. Now, what is the meaning of the ruling?"

"The Parliamentarian will read the ruling for you."

"Amendment 1 is ruled out of order because the original Bill that will, with the creation of a Commission, the Amendment deals with the abolishment of advisory bodies and the two are distinct and different, and therefore, not germane."

"Representative Vinson."

"Inquiry of the Parliamentarian."

"Proceed."

"You're saying that you can not in a Bill which deals with one agency, come back with an Amendment which deals with that agency and another agency. Is that the nature of the ruling?"

"To repeat, the purpose of the original Bill was to create a commission. The Amendment seeks to abolish advisory bodies. That is the limitation of the ruling, and that... and for that reason Amendment 1 is out of order."

"Mr. Speaker. I would move to overrule the Chair on that ruling, and I would move to overrule the Chair because the Chair is setting one of the most dangerous precedents this 14  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 General Assembly has seen since the 1970 Constitution was inacted. Mr. Speaker. The entire purpose of language in the 1970 Constitution was to demonstrate that there vere areas... that there was a broadened area of germaneness in legislation before the General Assembly. What this ruling does is to say that if you have an Amendment which affects the Dangerous Drugs Commission, if you have a Bill which affects the Dangerous Drugs Commission, you can't come in and amend that Bill in a fashion which amends the Dangerous Drugs Commission and which amends the Department of Mental Health. Now Mr. Speaker, that's a terrible precedent, and if that's what your ruling, and that's what you are ruling in the Lady's language, then what that will do is tie our hands, this Assembly's hands throughout this Session. What I think you're trying to do is dispose of Mr. Tate and Ms. Zwick's Amendment in an irresponsible fashion, and a high handed fashion, and you're going to try then to rule inconsistantly and differently on further Amendments in the future, because you can't live with that Amendment, no Speaker can, no General Assembly can. You've got to be able to deal with more than one agency in an Amendment quite often. The pr... appropriate purpose for the germaneness ruling is to rule out of order Amendments which are completely inconsistant with the thrust of the legislation. And when we're dealing with an Amendment that extends the life of a commission, the whole question's whether that commission should exist. And what they've offered is an Amendment to abolish that commission goes right at the question of whether that commission should exist. It's totally consistant with that Bill as drafted. It's totally consistant with the entire thrust of conversation regarding the Bill. You're going to tie your hands. You're going to tie Mr. Madigan's hands on 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 everything in the future, because we're going to get a transcript of the record if this ruling isn't overread, and we're going to read it back into the record on ever Amendment where you attempt to do that in the remainder of this Session, every day. I would urge you to withdraw your ruling, and if you don't I move to overrule the Chair."

"... the Bill should not have been moved to Third Reading. The Bill is on Second Reading. The Chair has ruled that the Amendment is not in order. The ru... Chair recognizes Representative Vinson to make a Motion on that ruling."

"Mr. Speaker. I move to overrule the Chair in regard to the last ruling on germaneness of the Amendment. I would futher point out that the Amendment changed the title of the Bill and deleted everything after the enacting clause. A thoroughly legitimate procedure used often in this chamber, and if you can't do that, and if the contents of the Amendment are consistant with the new title of the Bill, then I don't know what you can do. It's the most ludicrous ruling I've ever seen anybody make. It's the most partisan ruling, I've ever seen anybody make. It's a ruling designed to do nothing except to protect Mr. Huff's Commission, to protect the Democrat Members Commission, and to protect Mr. Bakalis' job. That's what you're really trying to do, and I urge everybody to vote to overrule the Chair on this matter."

"Mr. Vinson. Any 6 Members may move an appeal from any ruling of the Chair. Will 5 Members join you? 5 have joined Representative Vinson. On that Motion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think it's time to just kind of calm down and look at what the ruling was, what the Bill says, and maybe, 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 28th Legislative Day next time не want to pick our fights, pick a better argument. The Act refers to a commission. The Amendment refers to certain advisory bodies. It says nothing about a commission. If the Amendment simply said, An Act to abolish certain Commissions, then perhaps, it would then be in order. It's a very simple ruling. It will have... we will have no problems having this ruling read back to us throughout the rest of the year. As a matter of fact, to do anything other than this would... would throw open... would mean that we could amend any Bill with any other new Bill. In fact, that's indeed what this Bill is. Speaking of protecting commissions,... in the integrety of the process, what this Amendment is, is a Bill that was defeated in Executive Committee yesterday. So the ruling is very on line. It makes sense. It's nothing to get really excited about. I think that Representative, the Gentlemen from Clinton, should wait until his rights are really trampled upon before he should get so upset. And as a result, I would ask that we... we defeat his Motion to overrule the Chair."

"On the Motion, the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. My distinguished colleague on the other side of the aisle bas made the point that this is just a matter of fact solution in this ruling, and I can only encourage you to do one thing. Just take in consideration that it was... it was a very matter-of-fact way that in yesterday's Committee, when Representatives Zwick and myself offered this Bill in the Executive Committee, it was a very matterof-fact way that it was defeated, nine to seven. And a do pass Motion was defeated, nine to seven, and a do not pass Motion... we were not given the opportunity to hear this Bill, and this 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Bill deals with commissions. We are offering the Amendment. The Amendment deals with commissions. We are offering the... the Bill deals with commissions, and I don't see how anything can't be more germane to the subject matter."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I resent the remarks made by the previous speaker, that the Bill did not receive an adequate hearing in the Executive Committee. This Bill was in Executive Committee yesterday. We extended every courtesy to the Sponsor of the Bill. We extended every courtesy to any witnesses. We did not rush it through the Bill. We took the vote on the Bill, and the Bill was defeated. And it was defeated overwhelmingly, and a Motion was on a "do not pass" Motion carried, nine to seven. I don't see where the Bill did not receive a fair hearing just because the Representative did not get the favorable vote count, does not mean that the Bill did not receive a fair hearing. The Bill was posted. As a matter of fact, I think Representative Tate came in at the end of the testimony, and saying that he was also a Cosponsor of the Bill. He wasn't even there when the Bill came up... with the... Representative Zwick. So I think its... he's out of order saying that the Bill did not receive a fair hearing, or got a fair vote. There was no protest on that, and if he can't follow the rules or take the Committee report, he shouldn't be putting in these type of Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A prior speaker, Representative Cullerton, indicated that we should 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 hold our indignation until we're really trampled on. I don't know if that's a threat of things to come. but I don't really think that... very pertinent to this matter. The real issue is here, what are you doing to this House, and what are you doing to our right in having the opportunity to put our Amendments on your Bills. What are you afraid of? Give us a vote on the Amendment. I hope every Republican votes to overrule the Chair in this."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Laurino."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I sit on the Executive Committee, and when Representative Zwick presented the Bill, she was afforded all the possiblities of passing this Bill when it was thoroughly heard. There was a Motion made to... on a 'do not pass' Motion. She substituted a 'do pass' Motion. It had received its second life then. After that Roll Call was taken, it received a nine to seven 'do pass'... 'do not pass' Motion. As its third life, she's come here and put this Amendment on this Bill. I suppose if this were defeated, she'd ask for a discharge Motion. How many lives does a cat have to have before its dead completely? Why beat a dead horse? Let's just defeat the Roll Call."

"The Lady from Kane, Representative Zwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Th... I'd... I'd like to just explain somewhat, what happened in Executive Committee, and why the attempt is being made today to put this on as an Amendment, to perhaps give you a little better understanding of my theory for this. There is a discharge Motion which is also filed to lay the Bill of the table, and to have immediate consideration on it. However, in Executive Committee, the nature of this Bill is that it became extraordinarily partisan. I think we are 19  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 all aware of the fact, that we can all get away with that in Executive Committee. I believe that the dynamics of this issue at this time in history is so important, that it must be dealt with on the floor of this House, where everyone of us can discuss it in the open, where the press is covering us, where the votes go up, up on that board, and our constituents and everyone out there who elects us can see what our feelings are on these commissions. I don't think that the Bill was clearly understood. We did discuss it to a certain extent, only because I pursued it. The... the pursuit of the Bill was not extensive, and it was not really an opportunity to, to look at the Bill in a serious manner. I don't think I got across the point that this is not a Bill only to abolish all the commissions. It simply sets up a mechanism to eliminate those that are not necessary. and to keep those that are good, and to, to reorganize those that haven't been looked at for five, ten, fifteen years. Many of them were created before Committees had the authority to meet when this legislature was not in Session. Now we have that authority. Things are different. They must be looked at, and I think the whole House should look at them, and that is why I'm asking for consideration on it, and I would just appreciate your consideration of this either now or at some later date, when my Motion comes up. I think that we deal with the same statute that Representative Huff is dealing with in his Bill, and that was my reason for feeling that it would be germane on this issue. So I would simply ask for your consideration of it."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."

"Mr. Speaker. Parliamentary inquiry."

"Proceed." 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day

"Shat Order of Business are we on now?"

April 7, 1983 "The Gentleman has made a Motion to override the ruling of the chair and we are discussing that Motion."

"Is that... is that debatable?"

"Yes. The Gentleman for Cook, Representative Greiman: Greiman." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Laurino raised the interesting question about when Bills ever die. I always believe that if I were... if I came back in another life, I'd like to come back as a Bill or a concept of the General Assembly because I would live forever then. But be that as it may, we are a little off the subject, in any event. The subject is not really whether Ms. Zwick received a fair treatment in the Executive Committee. She has an opportunity to litigate that before us in connection with the Motion discharge. And she advises us that she has done... that she's prepared to do that, and so, we will all be on record one way or another whether we are for her Bill, or the concept of her Bill, whether we are going to turn our backs on the committee system again. We will all be on record when her Motion to discharge is called. However, we have no germaneness rule, although, there was a germaneness rule offered at the time we adopted of rules. Since we have no germaneness rule in our... in our books, we must, therefore, look at Robert's Rules, which provides, and I tell you, I suggest that you look at Section 12, that *an Amendment mus... must always be germane, that is closely related to or having bearing on the subject of the Motion to be amended. That no new subject matter can generally be introduced.. In this case, we have taken out an entire... we have taken out the Bill completely. What you are doing, if you were to overrule the Speaker, is to allow any Member here to take any Bill, any Bill and amend 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 it to any subject, because in this case they have taken out... they didn't have the courtesy to even to leave in the old, so that the Speaker might look and say, 'Can I connect the old with the new?' They have taken it all out. That means... that means literally that no Bill in the General Assembly that's filed, once he gets on the floor in Second Reading has any subject matter, that all the Bills are subject to being re... the subject matter is subject to being removed completely. I think that we should, therefore, uphold the ruling of the Chair. The Chair's ruling is correct, and I will vote to uphold the ruling of the Chair."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"I have an inquiry of the Parliamentarian."

"State your inquiry."

"Madam Parliamentarian. I'll wait til you're done with your telephone call if..."

"No, proceed."

"In light of your ruling, and in light of... of the Amendment's purport, and change of the title of the Bill, I'd like your direction in terms of how the substance of this Amendment of Representatives Zwick and Tate, could be framed to make it germane."

"The Gentleman, Representative Matijevich."

"He just... we just want to know Represent..."

"Point... point of order. He is asking..."

"Bepresentative Matijevich."

"He is asking advice to the issue from the... he is asking advice of a Parliamentarian. That's not the role of a Parliamentarian. He is not making a point of order, and that is my point of order."

"Your point is well taken. The Chair does not 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 make advisory positions. The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson, on Representative Vinson's Motion."

"Well, it was not really an attempt to seek advise. The attempt was to try to further illucidate the nature of this ruling. I guess in light of the refusal of the Parliamentarian, the other side of the aisle to let the Members know what the... the full basis and thinking behind the ruling is. I really... have nothing more to say, but I'm really shocked that people on that side of the aisle, who opposed our efforts in the debate on the rules to try to narrow the scope of germaneness to... to... to make Amendments more carefully coincident with the thrust of the Bill, would all of a sudden turn and go in the opposite direction, and not only do that, but pull the veil of secrecy over 118 Members here, as to the real basis for the ruling. So in light of that unfortunate effort, and that unfortunate combination of Parliamentary objections and Parliamentary rulings and Memberships refusal to answer, I guess there's nothing more to ask.

"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker. I don't think anyone seriously here believes that this Amendment is... is at all germane to the Bill before us. I don't even think the Gentleman on the other side, who makes this Motion, believes in his own Motion, besides that's never stopped him in the past, and I'm sure it won't in the future. It's not germane. The ruling spoke for itself. The ruling was read. The ruling had nothing to do with what he keeps on blabbering about, that a Bill on one Commission can't be amended to affect another Commission. That wasn't the ruling of the Parliamentarian. He keeps saying that was the ruling of the Parliamentarian, however, he never listened when the ruling was read, and what the ruling said was this 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Amendment, which abolishes all these advisory councils and so on, vas not germane to the Bill itself, not that an Amendment can affect additional commissions to that, or additional departments to that in the original Bill. He misstated the ruling. He didn't listen to the ruling. He doesn't care about the ruling. He's hypocritical. He doesn't believe in his Own Motion, and in my opinion, having looked at the Bill and looked at the Amendment, any right-minded person, anyone serving as Parliamentarian would rule it wasn't germane. We should gone on with our business, and we're wasting time here, and in my opinion, looking at the Gentleman's demeanor, he doesn't even believe in his own Motion."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion's carried. The question is put. Representative Vinson, to close."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I do happen to believe in this Motion, and I think anybody, who cares about the integrity of this process, ought to believe in this Motion, and ought to vote for the Motion. What we are dealing with is a ruling, that in essence says, 'You can't abolish commissions.' That's what the ruling says, and the ruling further says that you cannot deal with two agencies in a Bill that deals with one agency, something specifically overruled by the Constitution of the State of Illinois, in the language adopted in 1970. It's a bad ruling. It's a ruling which attempts to protect money, it's... that ought to be, that's being extorted from the taxpayers, and being spent on unnecessary purposes. It's a 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REP PRES SENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 ruling which attempts to protect unnecessary travel and unnecessary jobs. I would move that we overrule the Chair, and I would ask everybody to vote with me on this matter, so that we can save the taxpayers a little bit of money for a change."

"The Gentleman has moved to overrule the Chair. The question is, 'Shall the Chair be overruled?' All those in favor indicate by voting aye', opposed by voting 'no". Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Macon. For what purpose do you rise? Representative Tate."

"Mr. Speaker. As a courtesy, my name was... been mentioned in debate, and in reference to the Committee meeting, and again, I can only encourage every Member in this General Assembly, that what this ruling is essentially saying is that this General Assembly has no right to abolish commissions. We can only continue to create commissions, and the people are sick and tired of us living on the political perks, the taxpayers dollars. This General Assembly, this year, would address a two billion dollar tax program, and we have right now 103 commissions, that we are looking at, just to review, and people you know, that many of you are on those commissions, that you eat on a daily basis. You live off tax dollars, and we're concerned about people going out to dinner. We're concerned about the..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"Excuse me. Didn't the Gentleman speak in debate? He's certainly speaking now."

"He rose on a point of personal privilege. His name was used in debate."

"Oh, that's way before... that's a speach, Mr. Speaker. That's not a personal privilege. If he has a personal matter to be defended, God, let's let him defend it, but 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 that certainly seems to be substantive, and I think he should limit his... outrage and rampage to just a personal matter."

"Representative Tate. Will you bring your remarks to a close?"

"Yes, again Mr. Speaker, thank you. I guess my point is that I would like to make is... is an issue that is concerning the entire state, that every... every taxpayer in this state is going to be affected by this issue. We would just have... we would like the opportunity to have a fair hearing in front of this full House, because it's an issue that affects each and every one of us, and an issue that we will have to face in 1984, when you go back to your districts. Thank you."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 41 'ayes', 64 'nos', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. We have a request for a Fiscal Note. The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 467. Representative Kulas. Out of the record. House Bill 486. Representative DiPrima. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 486, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act concerning certain rights of medical patients. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to interrupt the business of the floor for just a second, maybe it's just as well, to introduce the Aurora Suzuki Violins. It's a group of young people from Aurora Illinois, representing the Aurora area, representing the 26  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 counties of Kane, represented by Representative Deuchler, the counties of DuPage, represented by Representative Cowlishaw, and the counties of Kendall. They put on a concert, a performance down stairs in the rotunda for the last hour, and did an outstanding job, and I'd like to have those young people, I think they're filing by here, but they'll be introduced as they're coming right through the door. And I'd like to have them receive your recognition. Thank you. Representative Deuchler. Would you like to say anything on this behalf?"

"Representative Deuchler."

"Well, just that it's our pleasure and honor to have this fine group, representing the community in the area of Aurora, here with us today. Thank you."

"House Bill 495. Representative Bowman. Representative Bowman in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 514. Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 532. Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 532, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments."

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 533. Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." Clerk O'Brien; "House Bill 533, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments."

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 584. Representative Tate. Representative Tate, do you wish to have your Bill 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day called? Out of the record. House Bill 596. Representative Brookins. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 596, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 599. Representative Braun. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 599, a Bill for an Act creating the Urban Health Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 609. Representative Davis. Representative Davis. Out of the record. House Bill 622. Representative Peterson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 622, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends House Bill 622, on page 1, line 9, and so forth."

"Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment is very simple. Again, it deals with the School Code. This was... I explained yesterday, there was some confusion as to whether or not, the Bill... whether Chapter 24, Section 24 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 applies to Chicago or not. It's the intention of the Sponsor, Representative Peterson, that it not apply to Chicago, and therefore, we're trying to clean up the Bill, so that it better reflects the intention of the Sponsor. I would ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 1... #1. Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the Amend... the quesiton is. "Shall Amendment #1 be adopted. All in favor signify by saying 'aye", opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. This Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #2, Pullen, amends Bouse Bill 622 on page 1, by inserting after line 32 the following and so forth."

"Representative Pullen."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment conforms this backdoor referendum Bill to the other provisions in the statutes concerning backdoor referenda, with respect to informing the voters by publication of the details that they need to know with respect to the backdoor referendum. It is the same language that this House adopted last year for every other Section of the statutes involving backdoor referenda, and it's my understanding that the Sponsor of the Bill supports the Amendment, and I would appreciate its adoption."

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Eeing no discussion, the guestion is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 682. Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983

"House Bill 682, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Matijevich, amends House Bill 682 on page 2 in line 3 and so forth."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 was an Amendment which was... I was directed by the Committee to offer, and the amortization of the unfunded accrued liability, we left out 'including interest'. All this Amendment does is add 'including interest.' I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman has moved for adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #2, Stuffle - Matijevich, amends House Bill 682 on page 1."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members. Amendment #2 makes it clear that the actuarial decision making, with regard to this Bill, and the decision about the cost of normal cost and amortization of pension costs in municipalities, is to be performed by an actuary for the Department of Insurance."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, on the Amendment."

"Yes, Representative Stuffle. Right now, what does it provide that the actuarial evaluation to be made by an 30  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 actuary and not the Department of Insurance or what?"

"The Gentleman from Coles, Representative Stuffle."

"As you know, Representative, right now the Department makes the decision about the cost factor. The question is tightening up who makes the actuarial decision on that cost factor. The problem has been one of, frankly, different opinions being rendered on the municipal cost, even though the Department's supposed to make the decisions on what the figures are. There have been actuarial evaluations submitted from cities that low-balled the actual figures, so that this Bill, originally, had two different factors in it. You could either have an actuary from a department or a local actuary. The problem is using the local actuary, we sometimes come up with differing figures from those at the department level. This makes it clear that the actuarial decision is by the Department through their actuary, and they would make the decision. They already make the decision, as you know, with regard to what the tax figures are. This just makes it clear that they, too, will decide through their actuary the validity of those local figures."

"Well, also, that there's over 200 different systems, and I also know that the Department of Insurance does not have actuaries to take accounting of 200..."

"They already look at those systems. That's not accurate. Currently, we have problems that have been addressed to Representative Mat... Matijevich, myself, and others, wherein, the figures submitted from local municipalities low-balled the actual normal cost in amortization figures. This Amendment, along with the Bill, would make it clear that the Department has the ablility through their actuary to certify the figures, and would not 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 have to accept the local figure, if it was too low."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #3, Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich."

"I'm withdrawing 3."

"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker... was there a Pension Impact Note Filed fir... as amended?"

"The Gentleman from Coles, Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would indicate first that I am from Vermillion, thanks to the new map, but I would indicate on this Bill as is the case with the unamended Bill and the amended Bill, the indication from the Pension Laws Commission, initially, is that this does not have a pension impact. It does not affect benefits as introduced, nor as amended, and for that reason as with the original Bill, the pension impact statement request is not in order if made, because there is no impact on benefits."

"The Chair rules that the Pension Impact Note is properly filed. The Bill will remain on Second Reading. On the Calendar, on page 4, House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate. House Bill 137. Representative Terzich. Rea... out of the record? Representative Terzich, do you want to have your Bill called?"

"No." 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day

"Out of the record. House Bill 308. Representative Rice. Out of the record. House Bill 426. Out of the record. House Bill 462. Representative Hastert. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 462, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 462 addresses a problem of municipalities being able to purchase municipal or sewer and water utilities. It's a problem that developed out of a... two communities, two cities that I represent in my district. What we've done is try to establish... capitalization of income as a method of determining the value of existing... worth of waterworks and sewage systems. What it does, in the condemnation proceedings is allow municipalities a much easier and quicker way to purchase those types of facilities. There was two cases, one was a 1953 case in the state of Illinois, that the Supreme Court said that the legislature has the power and should be able to set that type of formula. Just recently, in the state of California, there was a Supreme Court decision that set about... and set that same principle exactly, and this is what this... this was modeled after. I'd like to have your positive vote on this issue."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 462. On that question, the Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 462 was committed to the Public Utilities Committee, and at that time it had no opposition. Since that time, the Vice-president and Manager of the Peoria Water Company has been in contact with me on several occasions, and he's down 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 there today talking to some of the legislators. I... he opposes the Bill, and has good reason for opposing it, and therefore, I oppose it, on the grounds that for one thing, there is a Constitutional question to it, plus the fact that as he points out very vividly to me, even though the Sponsor is attempting to solve a problem in his area, and I applaud him for that, it at the same time has implications state-wide and would affect any utility in the state as it relates to the problem that the Sponsor relates to the House, today. It... the Bill, itself, addresses a problem, which I concur, that there ought to be some solution, but it also contains some language as to the determination of fair cash market value of the utility property, and according to my source, and I concur on that feeling, there's no way that the current net earnings of any utility should be used to determine the market value of the facilities and plant in service. And also, the removal of the prior approval by the Illinois Commerce Commission is an objectionable part of the Bill, but the most objectionable part is trying to determine the cash market value as it relates to the earnings, because the earnings... one year could be 12, 14%. Next year it could be 8%. The next year it could be 6%, and depending on the timing, it could be very detrimental in determining the... the market value of the property. So even though I realize that the Sponsor is attempting to solve a problem in... area, and as I say, I applaud him for that, I must oppose the Bill on the grounds that it has state-wide implications and could affect public utilities throughout the state, and therefore, I would urge a "no" vote."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, to close, Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This 34  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 Bill creates a very legitimate way for value to be term... determined for the purchase of sewer and water facilities, privately owned sewer and water facilities. The valuation is a capitalization process. It's por... carried out over the total life of the plant, and brings about a very just and equitable way for these settlements to be made. The other way is... becomes a very expensive proposition for both sides. I ask for your favorable support of this Bill and your 'yes' vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 462. All those in favor signify by voting "aye, opposed vote 'no". The Gentleman from Lake, to explain his vote, Representative Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure this Bill had adequate consideration of the Public Utilities Committee. What we're doing is setting a definition of a way of taking someone's property, by imminent domain, and we're telling the courts and the Commerce Commission what... how to com... arrive at fair value. If there's land to be used in the future for the water, sewer company, it's valued at the present earnings of the company, and can really be picked up by the city, below fair market value, under this formula. The formula is all right for a partial consideration of value, but its too limiting, I think, and really its confiscatory. I wouldn't be surprised if the courts strike down this piece of legislation, because we're dictating to the courts under what formula they should find fair value, and only los... and only using the current income formula carried out into the future and not the potential... not the potential income of the property. It... it may... the Bill may work, I don't think it had a proper hearing in that it didn't go to the Judiciary Committee, where it probably should have gone, and it may 35  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 serve a good purpose allowing a municipality to acquire, for below market value, the property of a water company in one district, but it affects the entire state, and really, I think, the courts'll find it a potentially confiscatory, confiscatory of property, and I don't think this legislation wants to pass a Bill that's going to provide for the confiscation by government of peoples private property, without receiving fair value for it."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 70 'ayes', 12 'nos', 22 voting 'present'. House Bill 462 having received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative Van Duyne, for what purpose do you rise?"

"I just want to be voted 'aye' on that Bill, please."

"Representative Van Duyne, I'm sorry. Our rules do not permit that. House Bill 482. Representative Terzich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 482, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the care of persons suffering from hemophilia. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In 1979, the House passed a Bill assisting the hemophiliacs in the state of Illinois, of which there are approximately 552 patients, who are receiving benefits under the hemophilia program. What this Bill simply does is, it changes the qualification to receive benefits by raising the deductions from their gross income from 50... $3,500 to $5,500, and the deduction for each family member from $3,500 from $3,000. The Hemophilia Foundation of Illinois requested the adjustment for exhilarating family 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 participation fees. The Foundation reported that although family income has risen, so has the cost of child care and the medical cost. There is an urgent need for these benefits for the hemophiliacs in the state of Illinois. Since the program was into effect in 1979, their budget has not increased since that time, as a matter of fact, it's decreased or it's only increased $5,000 in Over 4 years. This will simply allow the family to qualify benefits a little bit sooner. It will not increase the appropriation, just the participation fee. The Bill came out of Committee 13 to nothing, and was on the Consent Calendar, but vas moved to Short Debate. I'd be more than happy to answer any questions and would appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of House Bill 482. Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 482 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 99 'ayes', 7 'nos', 1 voting 'present', and House Bill 482 having rece received a Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 483. Representative Capparelli. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 483, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Capparelli."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker. House Bill 483 is a Pension Bill that even Dr. Ebbesen got on. It's the first, I guess, that we could save money with a Pension Bill. The Bill provides that the position held at the will of a fire commissioner shall be considered to be a temporary position, and the firefighters' permanent salary will be the salary based for his pension purposes. I would ask for 37  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 483. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 483 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present'. House Bill 483, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 510. Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 510, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Stezco."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 510 seeks to address a problem that was created by the passage of Public Act 82-554 in the last Session of the General Assembly, that deals with elected township assessors. One of the things that House Bill... the former Public Act did was to delete any references to the activities and actions that assessors could have in suburban Cook County. It was brought to my attention by the County Officials Association an... or Township Officials Association, rather, and we checked with the former Sponsor and everybody else and no one can really state why this was done last Session, although most people said it was an oversight. So this just attempts to put that language as it relates to township assessors and multi-township assessors back into the law, so the assessors in downstate and suburban Cook County will be treated equally, and I would ask for a favorable vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption... for the passage of a House Bill 510. Is there any discussion? 38  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"I would remind the Gentleman that we're on Short Debate, and the Sponsor will yield for a question."

"It's for legislative intent. Representative Steczo. In the... by including Cook County, the townships outside Chicago, you make reference then to the power to determine and improve the budget of the assessor, the power to determine the salary for its assessor, and the set compensation for its assessor. Is it your intention that that apply to the township assessor, not to the Cook County's Assessor's Office?"

"Representative Cullerton. The Bill specifies, or the title of the Section we're amending is the role of township and multi-township boards with regard to elected assessors, and the language in the Bill indicates or makes reference to its assessors, and I would take that to mean the... the township assessors and not the county assessor."

"Is there further discussion? There being no further que... discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 510 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 'ayes', no 'nays', 3 voting 'present', and House Bill 510, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 520. Representative Satterthwaite. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 520, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Satterthwaite, on the Bill."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 520 requires that local school boards provide time in their 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 public meetings for input from the general public. Most of our school districts are already doing this. There are a few, however, where it has been a problem, and we would by this Bill direct those school districts to make sure that some portion of their time be reserved for public input. I know of no real opposition to the Bill and ask for your support."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 520. Is there any question? Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, "Shall House Bill 520 pass?" All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 'ayes', no 'nays', 3 voting 'present', and House Bill 520, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 530, Representative White. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 530, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative White."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is a simple piece of legislation. All this Bill seeks to do is to make sure that anyone who operates a motorcycle have both hands, one or two hands, on the vehicle. They cannot operate the motorcycle without having any hands on the motorcycle. That's the Bill."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 530. Is there any discussion?"

"No... No wheelies."

"There being no discussion, the question is, "Shall House Bill 530 pass?". All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 104 'ayes, 2 'nos', none voting 'present'. House Bill 530, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 571, Representative McAuliffe. Bead the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 571, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAuliffe."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill would merely allow the use of articulated buses, which are the new buses that are in use by the Transity Authority in Chicago. They're... They have the rubber separation in the middle, and they come in two parts. And they're fuel... they're a fuel saver, and they can handle more... more passengers. And this would allow the use of these buses in the rest of the state, only by public transit companies."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 571. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."

"Just... Just a question of the Sponsor."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Is this the same Bill that Representative Telcser had last Session?"

"To tell you the truth, I don't know if Telcser had it or not. It could be. I really couldn't say."

"Okay, I just seem to recall that... that Bill blossoming and... to something else later on."

"This is not going to blossom into anything else later on. I give you my word."

"Well..." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 28th Legislative Day

"Any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Bouse Bill 571 pass?". All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye, opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 102 'ayes', 3 'nos', none voting present', and House Bill 571, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 626, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 626, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 626 is a revisory Bill that was offered by the Illinois Office of Education, and it simply deletes unnecessary and outdated language in the School Code and conforms and makes some changes that reflect current practices. And I would appreciate the support of the House. The Bill was approved by the House Elementary and Secondary Education Committee by a 19 to nothing vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 626. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 626 pass?'. All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye", opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 108 'ayes', no nays', none voting present, and House Bill 626, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 645, Representative Rea. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 645, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill." 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983

"Gentleman from Franklin, Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. During the last Session we made provisions for POW's to receive a... one set of free license plates for their...for their automobiles, but we did not make any provision whatsoever for those who do not own a car, who may own a pick-up truck. And what this does is to provide the one set of free license plate to the POW. If they should happen to own both a car and truck, then they can make their choice. If they only have a truck, then this would make them eligible for the POW license plate. I know of no opposition to this and would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 645. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 645 pass?'. All in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 98 'ayes', 8 'nos', none voting 'present', and House Bill 645, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page five, under House Bills Third Reading... For what purpose does the Lady from LaSalle, Representative Koehler, rise?"

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. May I add one correction first? It is the Lady from Marshall County, please."

"Well, we'll have to get that corrected up here. Our apologies."

"Thank you very much. But, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, may I please have leave of the Body to suspend the appropriate rules to immediately consider House Resolution #157?" 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day

April 7, 1983 "Representative Koehler, we are on the Order of Third Reading at this time; and, if you will put your Motion later, we will recognize you for the Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that. When that..."

"Under... Bepresentative Koehler."

"When would that be?"

"Well, we're going through Third Reading at this point, and we'll see how far we get."

"Thank you."

"On House Bills Third Reading, appears House Bill 1. Representative Cullerton? Read the Bill."

"House Bill #1, a Bill for an Act to protect children who are passengers in motor vehicles, as well as the motoring public in general. First Rea... Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Hr Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Hr. Speaker, I wish to proceed with this Bill today; however, I might point out that my Cosponsor, Representative Daniels, the Minority Leader, was unable to be here today due to legislative business. And I just want to point out to the House that if it wasn't for Representative Daniels, that last year we could not have passed the Illinois Child Passenger Restraint Act. He was the Sponsor of that Bill, and he is responsible for that fine Bill coming into law. Now today, he and I have Cosponsored House Bill 1, which enacts the Illinois Child Passenger Protection Act, which provides for the use of a child restraint system; that is, a car... car safety seat, when a child up to four years of age or under is transported by an Illinois parent in an automobile when it 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 is owned by that parent. Children four and five years of age are to be transported in a child restraint system or safety belt in their parents' cars. Now, to give you a little background of this Bill - the reason for this Bill - Representative Daniels and I passed that Bill last year. The Governor made some amendatory changes in his amendatory veto. Now, some of those changes we agreed with and others we did not. The ones we agreed with we have incorporated into this Bill. One of the things that the Governor did was to say that... first of all, he added another year. He had the law apply to five-year-olds, and we agree with that. And he also said that four-year-olds could be in a car seat, and we agree with that as well. He also changed the effective date to July 1st of this year, which we agree with, to give people time to appreciate when the law will come into effect. And he also indicated that if someone was charged with driving their car without child passenger restraint for their child, that if they did come into court and show that they were in possession of a car seat that the fine would be waived. We agreed with all of those changes, and they are incorporated in this Bill. However, some of the things that the Governor did we disagreed with. And those are being changed, and that is the necessity for House Bill 1. Rather than phase-in the effectiveness of this Bill so as to make two and three-year-olds wait until July of '84 before the law applies to them, we say that they also should have the law apply to them beginning July 1st of this year. The Governor also exempted recreational vehicles. We put them back into the Bill. But the one Amendment that the Governor added is called the personal needs exemption, and it's been referred to by some editorials as the 'Crusher Amendment'. Unfortunately, the Governor added this language that said that if you are 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 attending to your child's personal needs, that the law didn't apply. Just recently, in Illinois, a mother who had had her child in a car seat while the car was moving removed that child to breastfeed the child in the front seat. The car was involved in an accident when it was only going thirty miles per hour. The child was thrown from the mother's arms through the window. The child was killed. It's clear that if the car is moving, the child should be in the car seat. That is the intent of the Bill. That was the intent of the Bill when over three-fifths of both Houses passed this Bill last year, and that is the main provision of this Bill, to take out that personal needs exemption. We also had in the Bill the Governor, well intentioned well intentioned, said that the first offense someone should be issued a warning ticket. Well, state troopers have the procedure of issuing warning tickets, but other municipalities, most municipalities have no such procedure. So, the law is really... it would be impossible for a municipality to ever issue a ticket since they don't have warning tickets for the first offense. So, we ... we do take that out, but we also make it clear that if you do receive a citation for not having your child in a car seat, when you come to court you just simply show that now you possess a car seat. There shall be no fine, and there shall be no conviction. I think that this Bill is a very important Bill. I think that everyone knows what the changes that were made by the Governor. They should know what changes are made as a result of House Bill 1, and I'd be happy to answer any questions and ask for your support of this fine Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1 pass?'. 46  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Gentleman from Effingham to explain his vote, Representative Brummer."

"Yes, I have been up on this Bill I suppose four or five times during the many years we've considered it that they finally passed it last time. The Governor made some amendatory vetoes that indicated good judgement on the part of the Governor. I think, certainly, there should be an exemption with regard to personal needs, with regard to mothers who are feeding their children while someone else is driving the vehicle. And I think this is an example of an area that parents ought to be concerned about the safety of their children without being mandated by State Government to do so and I would respectfully suggest that a 'no' vote is the correct vote."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 83 'ayes', 23 'nays', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 1, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 21, Representative Topinka. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 21, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Topinka."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is today's rendition of House Bill 21, which has seen a lot of activity around here. We did pass it out last week, brought it back, provided an agreed Amendment to it so that the City of Chicago does understand that it is not affected by this. And I think we've explained it enough. I would hope that we would get your favorable vote."

"The Lady has moved the... for the passage of 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 House Bill 21. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 21 pass?". The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich, on the Bill."

"No, I'd just like her to tell me, even though I heard all that debate, give it to us one more time. I don't think just saying we discussed it the other day is enough. I think you ought to tell us again what it says, Judy."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Topinka."

"I'll be happy to, Representative Matijevich. We did go through it rather extensively last week. This would reduce the number of names necessary to enact a mandatory referendum in communities under 200,000 people so that they might choose to go wet if they were indeed dry. It still would not preclude upon any of the local powers of the liquor commissioner or of the municipal board that's involved. It would also allow the municipal board to go from dry... from, yeah, from dry to wet if it chose to. It would continue to keep the law in tact about the opposite situation of going wet to dry at 25% of the previous voters of the last general election. And, once again, I would encourage your vote. We got it last week, and it's the same Bill. It hasn't changed except for the corroborative language that Chicago is not involved."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 21 pass?". All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed vote "no". The Gentleman from Cook to explain his vote, Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would, in explaining my vote, encourage the Members of this side of the aisle to vote as they did two 48  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 days ago when the Bill passed, and we, out of respect for Representative Farley to assure that the City of Chicago is not included in the Bill, did so. We then amended the Bill to eliminate any reference to Chicago in the... in reducing the number of signatures from 25% to 5%. As it stands for the City of Chicago, it is as it was prior to this legislation. The Bill has reflected the needs of our area and suburban Cook County and any political subdivision, which is defined as less than 200,000 in population. The Bill has been supported. We knew of no opposition to the Bill, and we strongly encourage your favorable vote now as you did two days ago."

"Have all voted who wish? Bepresentative Topinka to explain her vote."

"Yes, Ι... I see we're doing rather well, and I just wanted everyone who may have some question about it that this was supported by the Illinois Municipal League, the Illinois State Chamber of Commerce, the Motel and Hotel Association. So, there's.... It's a good group."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 67 ayes', 35 'nos', 5 voting present. House Bill 21, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 43, Representative Cullerton. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 43, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Out of the record. House Bill 46, Representative Cullerton. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 46, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Cullerton." 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Mr. Speaker, this Bill has to do with the grand jury. And we had extensive hearings in the Judiciary Committee, and the Bill was extensively amended so that, I believe, most opposition to the Bill has been eliminated. Basically now what the Bill says is that it expands what shall be transcribed in a grand jury. Right now, a transcript shall be made of all questions asked of and answers given by witnesses. And what this Bill says is that a transcript shall be made of all proceedings and matters before the grand jury, other than the deliberations and the vote of the grand jury which, of course, shall remain secret. I'd be happy to answer any questions concerning the Bill."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 46. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 46 pass?'. All in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 100 'ayes', 5 'nays', 1 voting 'present', and House Bill 46, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 55, Representative Greiman. Out of the record. House Bill 67, Representative Ropp. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 67, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Not having passed the law... the bar exam yet, I have so enlisted about four of my special attorneys: Representative Preston, Hawkinson, Kirkland, McCracken, 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Homer and Harris, to assist in redefining any terms that anyone... that I don't understand. So, I lay that as ground work. This House Bill 67 provides new standards to make convicted persons more liable to pay, as restitution, the full amount of damages that have been so besought on him. It... Actually, what it does - it helps victims of crimes by permitting the total amount of restitution to be ordered in sentencing, rather than to be considered the ability to pay. Not that the ability to pay may not be considered, but the total amount will still be ordered and that the ability to be paid would be spread over a longer period of time. It also extends the coverage of permissable restitution to include unnamed victims and insurers. And three, it also gives the authority to include restitution to victims of crimes where the charges of these crimes are dismissed as a part of a plea agreement on other offenses. And four, it gives clear authority to order in-kind restitution or direct repair. This is a very important piece of legislation, and one that I am sure will help victims throughout the state and will also help to reduce the number of cases that attorneys have pending. And it will also take care of those people who may not have been included in, heretofore, specific charges but may have been a result of arson or other kind of bad acts. I welcome any questions, or suggestions, or your favorable support."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 67. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will yield."

"Representative Ropp, I heard you mention briefly that 51  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 the court has an option to require restitution, and you indicated that non-complaining witnesses would be eligible for such restitution. Is there any limit to what the restitution would be?"

"No."

"So, if a person is found guilty of a crime, and they request that you not only restore their house, but that you, in some way, compensate them for inconvenience that their in-laws suffered while they were at a party, that would be covered also?"

"Well, I suppose you have to be a little more explicit on that, but they certainly would not rebuild a whole new house if a door was ripped off or was damaged in any way. The individual could actually repair it. If any of the members of the family might have been... anything would have been stolen or damaged, the Judge would have the authority to grant total value of that particular damage of the item that may have been incurred."

"Well, you said you had some expert state's attorneys back there."

"Yes, I do."

"Maybe they could answer my question. I guess what confuses me here is that cannot the court already make such a finding?"

"I'll have a couple of the... my advisors..."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative... Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In answer to your question, Representative Bullock, at the present time if a victim is not named in the complaint, there has been case law prohibiting the court from directing restitution to that unnamed victim. What this Bill would do would only permit restitution to unnamed victims where it was part of a plea 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day agreement so that the defendant knew unnamed victims would be." April 7, 1983 up front who those

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"I wonder if the Gentleman might yield for a question or two."

"Yeah, he indicates he will yield."

"Does the defendant have a right to have a jury determine how much the value of the items are for which there's been a loss or alleged loss?"

"I'm going to have my counselor answer that, please, because he's actually..."

"Does he work by the hour, or do you have it on a fee basis?"

"Well, I think it's 36 dollars a day, I think."

"Well worth it."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Greiman, that is not presently the law, nor would it be under this Bill. However, as we have under the present law when there is a dispute as to restitution, the prosecutor, through testimony elicited from the victims, still must prove that up in front of the Judge and the Judge makes the determination. That burden of proof and the procedure would not change under this Bill."

"Well, so how do we deny the defendant his constitutional right to have a jury determine that? Don't you believe that he has a constitutional right in a civil matter, essentially civil?"

"No. Under the present law, this determination is made only after a conviction or a finding of guilty for which, of course, he has the right to jury, but there is 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 not right to determination of that, except in those instances where the value is determinative of whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony."

"Well, so he has a right of jury then on that issue then."

"That's correct."

"How about the... Aren't we imposing on the state's attorney an obligation to represent, essentially represent them the complaining witness?"

"That's..."

"Prove value... Isn't that... I mean, isn't that what we do when we enlarge this?"

"I believe the state's attorney already has that obligation to represent the victims and, under the present law, to obtain restitution in those cases where it's possible."

"Well that doesn't... Section 9 on five... page five doesn't seem to impose that. But, if that's what you say, okay. Thanks."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I have a question of... Perhaps Representative Hawkinson can answer this. On page two of the Bill, Section 4 (D) you talk about instances when the defendant has more than one criminal charge pending against him. Now, I want to know whether or not this contemplates... Is Representative Hawkinson in the chamber?"

"Yes, he's pay... He's listening."

"I want to know whether or not this contemplates a situation where, say, a defendant has one set of charges in one court and then he has another set of charges in another court, and what this Bill seems to say is that if he stands convicted, - whatever that means. I assume that just means 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 if he's... if he's been convicted of one charge; that a plea agreement can be negotiated with the state's attorney, and the defendant may be required to pay restitution in another charge which is in front of a different Judge. And that seems to me to be possibly a bad policy, in that one Judge would be ordering restitution in a case that's not even in front of him. It's in front of another Judge. And how would the other Judge know that restitution was ordered? So, I wonder if you could address that."

"Representative Hawkinson." Hawkinson; "I didn't author the Bill. I have discussed that question with Representative Cullerton and Representative Ropp. Downstate we don't run into that problem, because you're not going to find different charges in front of different Judges. I understand Representative Cullerton's question as the possibility, or perhaps likelihood of that happening in Cook County courts, and it is a possibility. The only response would be that it's the same defendant, the same prosecutor. And it requires the plea agreement in the first case. So, I don't see that it as a substantial problem."

"Well, there's... You say it's the same prosecutor, but it could be entirely different. It's the same office. What if it's in a diff... What if there's another charge in a different county, and it's a different... different state's attorneys office? I don't see anything in here that says that it has to be in the same county. It says, 'an instance where a defendant has more than one charge pending against him""

"My feeling is that it would not apply to that... that type of case."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Gentleman from 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 McLean to close, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I appreciate the support on this side of the aisle for this important piece of legislation. I think it's time, really, that we give strong consideration and support το victims, in that in this Bill it says their total amount of loss that they have suffered will be granted to them. And I think that we have gone in this area and provided with some security or a lot more support for the victim than we have had in previous years. This is a good Bill, and I welcome your support in its passage."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 67 pass?". All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 106 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present', and House Bill 67, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 81, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 81, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."

"Thank you.. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 81 and Amendment #1, which becomes the Bill, is before you. What this legislation does is allow the Regional Superintendent of Schools to issue a certificate of recognition to the Association of Educational Office Personnel, the secretaries within a school district. The standards for the certificates are based on the Professional Standard Program of the National Association of Educational Office Personnel. There was opposition to the original drafting, because it vas to be done by the Illinois Board of 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Education. We have addressed that concern by eliminating their provision and putting it under the auspicious of the Regional Superintendent of Schools, and I know of no opposition at this time since the Amendment has been presented and adopted on the Bill. There is also a provision for fees to be paid by the applicants which cover the costs in total on the certificates, and there is no cost to the State of Illinois, the school districts or the Associa... or the Superintendent of Educational Regional Service in this regard."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 81. On that question, the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will yield."

"Representative Mautino, just a very honest question. What... What's the purpose?"

"The legislation vas recommended by the Illinois Association of Education Office Personnel to meet the federal standards of their own Association. That's the purpose of it, and they wanted recognition for the additional services, the courses that they take and the experience that they have received. That's the reason for it."

"So, and those personnel really carry on... Is this just in the... in the Office of the Regional Superintendent, or is this in all school offices?"

"These are in all school offices. The Office of Regional Superintendent of Schools will issue the certificates based upon the completion of the standards which are listed in their..."

"Does this... Does this set up any type of qualifications for pay scale or anything like that?" 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day

"None whatsoever." April 7, 1983

"And, have we heard anything from the school community whether this is desirable or not desireable?"

"They originally opposed the legislation when it vas presented under the auspicious of the Illinois Board of Education. Mr. Ron Cardoni drafted the Amendment. So, now there's no opposition to it."

"Thank you, Sir."

"No further discussion, the Gentleman from Bureau to close, Representative Mautino."

"I believe I stated exactly what the legislation is, and I would appreciate an affirmative vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 81 pass?'. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 88 'ayes', 17 'nos', 2 voting 'present', and House Bill 81, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 85, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. House Bill 107, Representative O'Connell. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 107, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill emanated from a situation in my former district in DuPage County wherein a school, elementary school, lay just outside the municipal limits of an incorporated area. They found, the school that is, found that the municipal police, while they were permitted to enter the unimproved property owned by the school - that is to say the vacant lot contiguous to it and the playground 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 the municipal police was not permitted to go into the school building itself. So what House Bill 107 does is adds to the Bill the words, 'and improvements thereon, including buildings, parking lots, other improvements and equipment', so that the existing law would be expanded to include the building, not just the parking area. I know of no opposition to the Bill. It passed out of Committee unanimously, and I would request an affirmative vote."

"Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 107. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 107 pass?'. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 103 'ayes', no 'nays', 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 107... Representative Hastert 'aye'. Representative Braun 'aye'. On this Bill there are 105 'ayes', no 'nays', 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 107, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 108, Representative Van Duyne. Do you want to read... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 108, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act. Third Reading of the Eill."

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill was passed by our House last year by a vote of 162 to nothing. It passed out of the Judiciary Committee this... this last week, two weeks ago whenever by a vote of 13 to nothing. We've debated it consistently, and long enough and beat it to death, I believe. And all I would like to do is ask for your concurrence and send it to the Senate again."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 108. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Cook, 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 28th Legislative Day Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker, I just would ask that the Sponsor read an analysis or something about what the Bill does, because it's a pretty important Bill. I'm not saying I'm opposed to it, but I just think we should know what the Bill does."

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Well, if you'll look at your analysis, it's fairly succinct in the first paragraph. It prohibits a person, who intentionally and unjustifiably causes the death of another, from receiving any property, interest or benefits by reason of the death, whether as an heir or in any other capacity. This is... This has to do with the probate division of our law. It really tries to address itself to a crack in the law where there are three parts that aren't covered. The people who are convicted are now prohibited from inheriting the estate, but those found by a criminal court to be not guilty by reason of insanity, by this Bill, remains mute on, those acquitted in a criminal liability. although they are in fact culpable, are charged, those who have managed to escape the criminal trial despite the culpability. Now Judge 'Daul' has rewritten this Bill with the help of Representative... former Representative Getty. We've went through this time and time again. I'm really not knowledgeable in court procedures or the law to really even give you any great, lengthy dissertation on this, but I think it's been presented to everybody's conviction that this is a proper Bill."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 108. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 108 pass?' All those in favor indicate... signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this 60  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 question there are 107 'ayes', no 'nays', 1 voting 'present', and House Bill 108, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 187, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 203, Representative Olson. Out of the record. House Bill 208, Representative Saltsman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 208, a Bill for an Act relating to the responsibility of certain incurred expenses relating to arrestees. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Saltsman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill amends an Act in relation to the jail and jailers and the County Department of Corrections Act. It will provide that an arresting authority is responsible for medical expenses relating to the arrestee until placed in the custody of the sheriff. However, the arresting authority shall not be so responsible if the arrest was made pursuant to the request by the sheriff. This Bill was amended in Committee, and it's endorsed by the Illinois Sheriffs' Association. I'd appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 208. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 208 pass?'. All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 82 'ayes', 13 'nays', 4 voting 'present'. House Bill 208, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 223, Representative Nash. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 223, a Bill for an Act to legalize and validate appropriation bills and tax levy ordinances in 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 certain counties. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is the annual validation ordinance for Cook County and the Cook County Forest Preserve District. All it does it add the year 1981 to the ordinance. I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 223. On that question, the Lady from DuPage, Representative Karpiel."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will yield."

"Well, I would like to ask the Sponsor of this Bill if perhaps, since this Bill appeared in the Executive Committee, he has found out the answer to my question which I asked in that Committee and still have not gotten an answer; and that is, why is it that the Cook County Forest Preserve District and Cook County - why do they come to Springfield to have their levies validated which is illegal under Illinois State Statutes? And they are the only two districts of units of government in the entire state that do it that way, and I really would like an answer to that."

"Representative Nash."

"In answer to the Lady's question, the representative from the Cook County Board answered her in Committee and also just to repeat what he said, this is just to make the ordinance legal. And there's nothing illegal about this ordinance. We're just adding 1981. It's been the practice for the County of Cook and the Forest Preserve District to come down to the Legislature and validate this ordinance every year."

"Representative..."

"Well, I think that if everybody is listening, and I 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 realize Representative Nash does a good job of mumbling which we all like to do with bad Bills; but, if everyone is listening, he is saying that this has always been done this way, and that's why it's alright. It has been done this way ever since I've been down here in the Legislature. It is not alright. It is illegal under state statute. They are the only two units of government in the entire state that do it this way and by just saying that it's always been done this way does not make it right. And I still would like to know why does the Cook County Forest Preserve District and why does Cook County do it this way, unlike every other county, every other forest preserve district, every other unit of government in the State of Illinois? Why do they? Are they trying to hide something from their citizens?"

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Fullen."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies of.. and Gentleman of the House, the previous speaker is exactly right. And it was interesting to hear the Sponsor say that he would give the same answer that the representative of Cook County did in Committee, because the representative of Cook County said, 'Gee, I don't know. I'll have to go back and find out for you.' That's what the representative of Cook County said in testifying, and we didn't really want to embarrass the Gentleman. But that's always the answer that we get, because they won't tell us why the Cook County and the Forest Preserve District ordinances have to be validated. A Democrat staff analysis of a couple of years ago on this Bill told us something, but no one will say it on the floor, and that is that they don't like to itemize their appropriations in their appropriations and tax levy ordinances the way every other county in Illinois does because every county in Illinois, including Cook, is 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 required by law to do so. And so, the reason that Cook County has to come in and have it validated is that Cook County doesn't follow the law. They adopt an illegal ordinance, and then they have the nerve to come in here and have us validate it, after the fact, SO that taxpayers cannot successfully protest their taxes. But, they don't include the rest of your counties in this law. They only include Cook County in this law, because that's where they do it illegally. And then they want us to write the excuse for them into the law. This Bill has been wrong ever since it was first presented, and the fact that it's presented every year just to update it doesn't make it right now. It's wrong every single year, and we ought to defeat it. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Bepresentative Bowman."

"Well just in response to the last speaker, if she feels that way, she should ask her Governor to veto the Bill. He's signed it every year."

"The Gentleman from Cook to close, Representative Nash."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate (sicHouse). This is just a technical ordinance... Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 223 pass?". All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill there are 40... there are 62 ayes, 43 'nos' and 2 voting' present. And, on that, the Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to verify that Roll Call, please."

"The Lady asks for a verification of the Boll 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Call. The Gentleman from Cock, Representative Nash, asks for a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Alexander. Daniels. Davis. John Dunn. Henry. Hoffman. Shaw. Taylor. Topinka. Vitek and Winchester."

"Poll the affirmative vote, Mr. Clerk."

"Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brummer. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DiPrima. Domico. Farley. Plion. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Hutchins. Jaffe. Keane. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFloore. Leverenz. Levin. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. McAuliffe. McGann. McPike. Mulcahey. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pierce. Preston. Rea. Rhem. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Slape. Steczo. Stuffle. Terzich. White. Wolf. Younge. Yourell. Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Van Duyne changes from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Doyle from present to 'aye'. Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I may have a conflict on this. I've voted my conscience. Thank you."

"Representative Pangle."

"Change my vote to an 'aye' vote, please."

"Pangle from 'no' to 'aye'. What's the count, Mr. Clerk? 65 'ayes', 42 'nos'. Representative Pullen."

"Is Representative Bullock here, please?"

"Representative Bullock. Is Representative Bullock in the chamber? Remove him, Mr. Clerk."

"What about Representative Domico?"

"Representative Domico. Remove him, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley in the chambers? Remove 65  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 Representative Farley."

"Is Representative..."

"Put Representative Bullock back on the record."

"Is Representative Flinn here, Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes, Representative Flinn is in his chair."

"What about Representative Bannig?"

"Representative Bannig is in his chair."

"Representative Huff."

"Representative Huff. Representative Huff. Remove Representative Huff from the Roll Call."

"Representative Krska."

"Representative Krska is standing at his seat."

"I didn't see Representative Matijevich when we were calling it."

"Well, Representative Matijevich is in his chair as always."

"As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, I was surprised at the time not to see the Gentleman. Representative Mulcahey."

"Representative Mulcahey is in the chamber."

"Representative Rea."

"Representative Rea is in his chair."

"Representative Richmond."

"Representative Richmond is in his chair."

"Representative Ronan."

"Representative Ronan is here."

"That's good. Representative Slape."

"Representative Slape is in his chair."

"Representative White."

"Representative White is here."

"Representative Yourell."

"Representative Yourell. Representative Yourell. Remove Representative Yourell from the Roll Call."

"How about Representative McAuliffe, Mr. Speaker?" 66  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983

"Representative McAuliffe. Remove Representative McAuliffe from the Roll Call."

"I don't think I have any further questions, Sir."

"On this Bill there are 60 'ayes', 42 'nos', and House Bill 223, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 233, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 242, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 242, a Bill for an Act to provide for a continued group health insurance coverage for disabled and retired downstate firemen. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Coles, Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members, House Bill 242, sponsored by myself and Representative McAuliffe, White and John Dunn provides for the continued inclusion of municipal firemen where there are already in place group insurance health plans in the municipalities. Currently, those people are covered at the option of the cities. This Bill provides that they will be covered if those insurance policies are now in force. The Bill came out of the Pension and Personnel Committee with a vote of 11 to 2. On Second Reading we acted by Amendment to provide a reduction in the cost to the Bill and to clarify that the insurance benefits would be offset for those new people brought under the provisions of the insurance coverage of the Bill where their existing Medicare benefits in force, as is the same situation for those already insured. And I would ask for a favorable Roll Call on the vote on the particular Bill and be glad to answer any questions."

"Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 242. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Birkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day a question?" April 7, 1983

"He indicates he will yield."

"Mr. Stuffle, our analysis indicates that the City of Chicago is excluded from this Bill. Is that right?"

"Representative Stuffle."

"That's correct. This deals only with the downstate Article, Representative Birkinbine. As you know, the Chicago Pension System is not included in the same system as the downstaters are. They have separate funds in each covered municipality."

"Is there a companion Bill to mandate this for Chicago as well?"

"Not to my knowledge. I'm not attempting to correct their problems. In fact, they may already have a program in force for this."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Now, the question is, *Shall House Bill 242 pass?". All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 73 'ayes', 27 'nos', 3 voting 'present'. House Bill 242, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page ten, under the Order of Speaker's Table, appears House Resolution 47, Representative Hallock. Out of the record. House Resolution 77, Representative DiPrima. Out of the record. House Resolution 81, Representative DeJaegher. Out of the record. House Resolution 84, Representative McGann. Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk."

"House Resolution 84 relates to the Illinois Community College Board. Higher Education Committee recommends 'be adopted'."

"Representative McGann." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day McGann: April 7, 1983 I "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. rise and ask your support in passing House Resolution #84. In these days when we are focusing on high technology to help our state recover from the present economic conditions with unemployment, our state, our community colleges have placed great input in introducing high technology programs. I feel the Legislature should have a sense of what is really happening in this area. This Resolution was passed by the House Committee on Higher Education. It directs the Illinois Community College Board to survey all community colleges within our jurisdiction and provide to this Assembly an audit, so to speak, on what active steps are being taken at each institution to develop and provide vocational training programs in contemporary and highly technological fields. In this we are asking and directing the Illinois Community College Board to determine the number in enrollment, the number of graduates in these fields and the current placement rates of graduates in each institution. Finally, ve are asking that this survey be made available to the General Assembly within 90 days. I'd ask your support on this House Resolution 84. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of House Resolution 84. Is there any discussion? The Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to say that I think that this is an excellent Resolution. I had the occasion to attend a hearing that Representative Satterthwaite held with the board... with the Committee Higher Education in which many of the higher education institutions told what they were doing in the field of high on technology. I think that if we could figure out some way to cross-pollinate what they're doing some higher 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 education institutions are doing a great deal. Others are doing nothing, and the Bepresentative's Resolution will show that. I think that we should start with this initiative of the Besolution and then figure out some way to get those that are not doing anything to adopt the pattern that those who are doing a great deal, like Triton and the University of Illinois and other places."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman has moved for the adoption of House Resolution 84. All those in favor indicate by voting 'aye", opposed vote 'no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 104 *ayes', no 'nays', none voting "present", and House Resolution 84 is adopted. For what purpose does the Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge, rise?"

"Could, by leave, everyone be added to that Resolution?"

"The Lady has asked leave for everyone to be added as a Cosponsor of that Resolution. Are there any objections? There being no objections, everyone will be added as Cosponsor of the Resolution. The Chair recognizes Representative Barnes for a Motion. The Lady from Cook, Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There was a Bill heard in Appropriations I today, and I would move to suspend the appropriate rule to advance House Bill 888 to Second Reading. And the Chairman, Ted Leverenz, has agreed on this with me."

"The Lady has moved to advance House Bill 888 to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day. Is there any discussion? There being по discussion, the question is, Shall the Motion carry?". Those in favor indicate by saying 'aye... I'm sorry. This requires leave for the Attendance Roll Call. Is there any objections? No 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 objections, leave is granted, and House Bill 888 will be placed on the Calendar on the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day. The Chair recognizes the Lady from Marshal, Represenative Koehler, on a Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would like to ask leave of the Body to suspend the appropriate rules for immediate consideration of House Resolution #157."

"The Lady asks leave to suspend the appropriate rules for the immediate consideration of House Resolution 157. Are there any objections? On that, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Well, my only objection is that I don't see why something, anything doesn't go to Committee. I don't think it's going to really hamper the fact that we can eventually investigate here. I've got, for example, a couple of Resolutions that I think are even more important than this in my district. They're heading right to Committee. So, I think that's the proper place. You know, just because you see something that makes headlines, and you want to get more headlines - I don't think that's a good enough reason that we don't go through our Committee system. I'm sure I'm going to vote for this eventually, but we don't have to go bypass Committee."

"The Gentleman from Cook on the Motion, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would oppose the Motion to bypass Committee and for immediate consideration. I have read the Resolution. The Sponsor is a Member of Appropriations I, and she will be able to exactly see the majority or all of the travel and things that she's looking to look into. The time it would take for the Auditor General to do this would put us into next year. So, I 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 28th Legislative Day would ask my side of the aisle and the other side of the aisle to oppose it at this time."

"Representative Koehler, objections have been raised. You may make a Motion if you so desire. Representative Koehler."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I most respectively would make a Motion that... that we do move to immediate consideration of House Bill... House Resolution 157. I think that it is important that we respect the timely nature of this Resolution. And even though we will, of course, be considering all of these travel expenses in the House Appropriations Committee, I think that right now, because we, in the General Assembly, are considering a two billion dollar tax increase, that it is important for the General Assembly and the State Government departments and agencies show the right example and set policy for responsible travel... travel expenses. Now, the problem that has been brought to light is the fact that there is no comprehensive travel policy here in the State of Illinois. There are eight travel boards, plus numerous agencies that set their own travel policies. And because it is necessary to investigate and set a comprehensive policy, it will take time, and I think it is important to start now. today, while it's on the minds of the citizens back home. So, I would request that we do move... that we do go to immediate consideration of my Resolution."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson." Johnson; "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members. Speaking to the Motion, I think Representative Koehler and Zwick are really to be commended for bringing this before this Body now. Among other things, at least newspaper reports are close to accurate, and I think they probably are. Money is being 72  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 spent at a substantial rate everyday in this... not in this chamber, but in this state by the various departments, agencies, commissions, bureaus and so forth of taxpayers' money, as Representative Koehler says, in a time when we're talking about drastic cut backs in education and otherwise, tax increases. I think it's something that we have an obligation to address as quickly as possible. In addition to that, I would suggest to you that sending this through the Committee process, if the result is the same as what results we've gotten in trying to eliminate some unnecessary commissions, that this Resolution will never get out of here, and people will never have an opportunity for this chamber or their elected representatives to look into the expenditure of money. This is a bipartisan thing. I'm sure there are people involved in departments, agencies, boards and commissions on both sides of the aisle. Unfortunately, I think in some cases, the administration or representatives of the Thompson administration have not been sympathetic to the efforts of Legislators and the efforts of the media to look into this. The amount of money is dramatic. That amount of money, if directed to education or public aid or other departments of State Government would, at least in some cases, eliminate the necessity for drastic cut backs and, in other cases, obviate the, at least a portion, of our call for revenue enhancement. This is a big problem. It ought to be addressed immediately, and there's no reason at all why, with the wording of this Amendment, we can't consider this immediately. And I urge everyone to join with Representative Koehler and Zwick in passing this Resolution and moving to it immediate consideration."

"The Lady from Sangamon, Representative Oblinger." 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day

April 7, 1983 "Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, I would much prefer that this Bill go to Committee, and I'll tell you why. I've talked to the Sponsors. They haven't even read the regulations and rules that are passed out to each director of a department. I was a director and so was Gordon Ropp. We didn't have any choice about it. There were certain rules and regulations. I think that that ought to be circulated to every Member of the Committee to which this goes and that the people have a good chance to see how it is implemented before they begin to criticize."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"I'd like to move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion carries. The previous question is put. The Lady from Marshal to close, Representative Koehler."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Members... Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would like to speak one moment to the former Represent... the previous Representative who just spoke and indicate to her that it is because there are eight different governing bodies that... that give out rules and regulations for travel vouchers and for traveling expenses, plus numerous commissions and boards that make up their own rules that we need to have a comprehensive state policy on travel and travel vouchers and what makes for valid expenses. And that is one of the needs that we need to go into when we address the problem that has been recently brought to light, and I would certainly indicate a 'yes'... ask for a 'yes' vote so that we might have immediate consideration of this Resolution that will ask the Auditor General to investigate the various policies used in State Government 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 and will ask him to recommend a comprehensive policy that will treat all agencies, commissions, boards and those in State Government fairly and equitably. I would ask for your "yes" vote. Thank you."

"The Lady has moved to bypass Committee for the immediate consideration of House Resolution 157. The Motion requires 71 votes. All in favor indicate by voting *aye, opposed vote 'no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Livingston to explain his vote, Representative Ewing."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think the vote up there just shows that we don't care what's happening to the money in this state. Let's get some more green votes up there, and let's find out. Don't be afraid to find out where this money is going and have an investigation. Come on. Let's have some votes on the other side of the aisle."

"Gentleman... the Lady from Kane, Representative Zwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman. I think it's apparent by the vote up there that we do have some mixed reaction. I... I don't think that this should be a straight Party line vote. One of the earlier speakers commented on how this problem was being approached by the Appropriations Committee, and that's absolutely necessary. And it's good, and we should be doing that. But we should also be doing this. It's not a matter of this or that. We can do it in several different ways. We need to set up a policy that's going to extend into the long range. We need to look at the appropriations for next year in the travel budget. We need to do many things. It's a serious problem, and it's been building for many years. And it's getting worse, and worse and worse, and we can't afford it 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 any longer. Don't fear this. We're just going to have the Auditor General take a look and see what's going on in there. The media has all those records. Why don't we get them? Let's have the Auditor General look at it and give us a report; and, in the meantime, we can attack it in our own different ways, individually. I would please ask for your support on this. It should not be partisan. This is for all the people of the state."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, one minute to explain your vote, Representative Nautino."

"I'd like... Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to point out to one of the Sponsors. She does have bipartisan support on this legislation. There are green votes on the Democratic side of the aisle. Many of us agree with you, and many of us are assuming that the administration and the Governor of this state are in support of this Amendment. I'm assuming that, since you have... excuse me - this Resolution. I'm assuming that that is the case; and, of course if that is the case, we'd like to support the Amendment (sic Resolution), some of us downstate Democrats, to make sure that there is a complete investigation into the individual departments of government on the travel vouchers. So, you do have bipartisan support. It is not a political issue."

"Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Well, just... Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, as a Member of the Audit Commission, I can assure you that what the Sponsor has indicated is correct. There are a tremendous variety of travel regulations by the various boards, and I think there's some merit in having it standardized. The Auditor General has much of this information in his files right now, and I'm sure he can do 76  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 it in time for the appropriation process."

"The Gentleman from Madison to explain his vote, Representative Wolf."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly, I rise in opposition to the Lady's Motion. I'd like to remind the Assembly that we're not voting here on the merits of the Resolution. We're voting on whether or not to circumvent the legislative process, and I urge more 'no' votes."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Motion there are 57 'ayes', 52 'no'... Representative Koehler."

"Mr. Speaker, may I respectfully ask for a Poll of the Absentees?"

"There are 57 'ayes', 52 'nos', none voting 'present'. The Lady has asked for a Poll of the Absentees. It requires 71 votes, if that's the question."

"Poll of the Absentees. Alexander. Daniels. Davis. John Dunn. Henry. Hoffman. Shaw. Taylor and Vitek."

"What's the count, Mr. Clerk? On this question there are 57 'ayes', 52 'nos', and the Motion fails. Agreed Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 24, Hastert - et al. House Joint Resolution 25, Neff - et al. House Joint Resolution 27, Rea - Winchester. House Resolution 154, Hensel; 160, DiPrima - et al; and 161, Madigan - Daniels - et al. Senate Joint Resolution 19, Oblinger; and Senate Joint Resolution 20, Daniels."

"Representative Giorgi on the Agreed Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, Senate Joint 19, by Oblinger, recognizes the 15th annual Skills Olympics. 24, by Bastert, applauds the Hall of Fame recipient for James Copely. 25, by Neff, 77  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 calls attention to the 108th Imperial Council. 27, by Rea Winchester, notes a retirement. 154, by Hensel talks about a 65th anniversary. DiPrima picks out a man of the year. And 161 is a Madigan Daniels Resolution that wants to create a trust fund and record keeping for the House flower fund. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor indicate by saying 'aye', opposed "no". The ayes have it, and the Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 149, O'Connell. 155, Keane. 158, Bowman et al. And 159, Bowman. And House Joint Resolution 26, Natijevich et al."

"Committee on Assignments. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 156, by Representative Younge, with respect to the memory of Mr. Willy Harris of East St. Louis."

"Representative Cullerton on the Adjournment Resolution. Read the...what is it? Representative Giorgi on the Death Resolution."

"Mr. Speaker, I move for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 20."

"No. On House Resolution 156, the Death Resolution."

"Oh, Mr. Speaker, I move for the ad..."

"Representative Giorgi has moved for the adoption of House Resolution 156. All in favor indicate by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Death Resolution is adopted. Representative Cullerton on the Adjournment Resolution. Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Joint Resolution 21, resolved by the Senate of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of 78  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the two Houses adjourn on Thursday, April 8, 1983, they stand adjourned until Wednesday, April 13, 1983 at 12 o'clock noon."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker, I move for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution #21 and move that we adjourn until Wednesday, April 13th at the hour of 12 o'clock."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye', opposed "no". The 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted. Announcements. Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to announce that the Select Committee on Small Business will not meet as scheduled after adjournment today. It has been rescheduled for April 14th at 5:30 in the same room, and postings will be listed as same."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members, the House Committee on Economic Recovery will also not meet today as scheduled, but will rather meet next Thursday evening after adjournment. If there are any Members who wish Bills posted for them that have been assigned and not posted, let me know before we leave today. And we will meet next Thursday, as I indicated, after adjournment. And we will hear each of the Bills postponed from today, in addition, at that time."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a nonofficial announcement. I'm preparing to introduce a Bill that I believe a number of Members will be interested in. I'm inviting Cosponsors. I want to introduce it this 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 afternoon. So, before you leave, if anyone is interested in the case coordinating units that the Department of Aging is establishing, and interested in some legislation to define what may be and what may not be a case coordinating unit and also to establish eligibility standards for in-home care services, I invite them to see me at the Clerk's desk. And I have a copy of the Bill, in case anyone would like to look it over before going on as a Cosponsor."

"Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a matter of personal privilege. It's not an announcement."

"Could the Gentleman have your attention? He rises on a point of personal privilege. Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I simply rise to point out to the Body that this Saturday, April 9th, has been proclaimed as Missing in Action Day for the 2,500 servicemen who served in Vietnam and never returned. The matter is, what I would consider, extremely sensitive to us in Illinois and this Body, because 106 of our residents never returned from Vietnam and are still unaccounted for. We have listed the names of each of those 106 servicemen that appear on House Resolution 148. I would simply ask the Members to remember in their thoughts and their prayers this Saturday, those who are still unaccounted for and especially be mindful of the tragedy that this has created for the families of those who are still wondering why, and wondering where and wondering when. So, we can thank God for our safe existence and simply remember those that did not have it. Thank you."

"Are there any further announcements? I wonder 80  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 if we could get the lobbyists to leave the floor until we've adjourned. Representative Cullerton on the adjournment."

"Mr. Speaker, I move we adjourn till next Wednesday at the hour of 12 o'clock."

"The Gentleman has moved, allowing the Clerk one half hour perfunctory, that the House stand adjourned until Wednesday, April 13th, at the hour of 12 noon. All those in favor indicate by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the House stands adjourned."

"Messages from the Senate. A message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has passed a Bill of the following title, the passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives to wit: Senate Bill #405, passed the Senate April 7, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' Senate Bills First Reading. Senate Bill 405, sponsored by Representative Barnes and Reilly, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Law Enforcement Commission and to various state agencies. First Reading of the Bill. Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolutions, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives to wit: Senate Joint Resolutions #19, 20 and 22; adopted by the Senate April 7, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Committee Reports. Representative Jaffe, Chairman from the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 7, 1983, reported the same back with the following 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill amended House Bills 22, 401, 768 and 581; April 7, 1983 74; 'do pass as do not pass House Bill 651; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 84; tabled in Committee House Bills 724 and 98. Representative Bowman, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 7, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 542; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 541. Representative Farley, Chairman from the Committee on Labor and Commerce, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 6, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass as amended' House Bill 561 and 767. Representative Leverenz, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 7, 1982...83, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass as amended' House Bills 547, 531, 82 and 543. Introduction and First Reading of Bills. House Bill 1124, Hallock, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to public water districts. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1125, Hallock and Olson, a Bill for an Act to enact the Illinois Employment Development Commission Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1126, Younge, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Municipal Assistance Corporation. First Reading of the Eill. House Bill 1127, Representative Younge, a Bill for an Act to create the East St. Louis Municipal Assistance Corporation. First Beading of the Bill. House Bill 1128, by Representative Klemm, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bide Sharing Arrangements Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1129, by Representative Braun, a Bill for an Act to amend the Consumer Fraud Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill c 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 1130, by Representative Nash, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1131, by Representative McAuliffe, a Bill for an Act concerning the Commission on gang crime activity and the Suburban Problems Task Force. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1132, Representative Nash, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1133, by Representative Mautino Mulcahey Davis Leverenz and Piel, a Bill for an Act in relation to occupation taxes on motor fuel. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1134, Representative Mautino Birkinbine and Laurino, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1135, by Representative Woodyard, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1136, by Representative Steczo and McMaster, a Bill for an Act to amend the Township Law. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1137, by Representative Steczo and Flinn, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to certain investments and public funds by public agencies. First Reading of the Bill."

"House Bill 1138, Reilly, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1139, Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act concerning verification of income of public assistance recipients. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1140, Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1141, Steczo, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unemployment Insurance Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1142, Ralph Dunn, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the registration of certain professions, trades or occupations amending certain Acts in connection 83  STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day herewith. April 7, 1983 First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1143, Keane, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1144, McGann, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1145, Bernard Pedersen Yourell, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1146, Giorgi Kulas, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1147, Giorgi Kulas, a Bill for an Act in relationship to consumer....and prohibition to raising the prices of goods already marked and displayed. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1148, Giorgi, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Rock... Rockford Civil... Civic Service Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1149, Giorgi Cullerton et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1150, Giorgi Mulcahey Saltsman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1151, Giorgi Berrios, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Transportation for purpose of removing the median strip on U.S. Business Route 20 between Pier Point Street and Weldon Street in the City of Rockford. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1152, Giorgi Giglio, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1153, Giorgi Cullerton Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1154, Giorgi, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Regional Transportation Authority Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1155, Hannig Stuffle Rea, a Bill for an Act to add 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 28th Legislative Day Sections to an Act concerning public utilities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1156, Steczo Davis, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning public utilities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1157, Steczo Davis, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relationship to plats. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1158, Saltsman et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Personnel Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1159, Woodyard et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1160, Pierce Jaffe, a Bill for an Act in relationship to regulation of veterinary medicine. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1161, William Peterson et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. First Reading of the Fill. House Bill 1162, Bullock et al, a Bill for an Act relating to collective bargaining agreements. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1163, Keane, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Township Law. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1164, Keane, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the County Auditing Law. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1165, Keane, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the State Comptroller Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1166, Pullen, a Bill for an Act to facilitate access to decendent's (sic decedent's) safe deposit box in search for a will or burial documents. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1167, Pullen, a Bill for an Act in relationship to inheritance and transfer taxes. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1168, Giorgi Nelson Kulas, a Bill for an Act in relationship to licensing and regulation of social workers and amending and repealing certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill. 85  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983 1169, Van Duyne - Christensen, a Bill for an Act setting forth certain rights which are guaranteed to law enforcement officers. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1170, Mays et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1171, Hannig, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1172, DiPrima et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Liguor Control Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1173, Steczo et al, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois International Trade Commission and defining its powers and duties and amending certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1174, Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relationship to definition, licensing and regulation of community currency exchanges and ambulatory currency exchanges and the operators and employees thereof, and to make appropriation therefore and to provide penalties and remedies for the violation thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1175, Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act in relationship to the definition, licensing, regulation of community currency exchanges, ambulatory currency exchanges and the operators and employees thereof, and to make appropriation therefore and to provide for the penalties and remedies thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1175 (sic 1176), Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections in relationship to the definition, licensing, regulation, currency exchanges and ambulatory currency exchanges and operators and employees thereof, and to make appropriation therefore and to provide penalties and remedies for the violation thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1177, Matijevich, a Bill for an Act 86  28th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 7, 1983. to amend Sections of an Act to def...in relationship to the definition, licensing, regulation of community currency exchanges and ambulatory currency exchanges and the operators and employees thereof, and to make appropriations therefore and to provide the penalties and remedies of the violation thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1178, Breslin, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the School Code. First Reading of the Fill. House Bill 1179, Breslin, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1180, Satterthwaite - Bowman, et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act creating the Board of Higher Education, defining its powers and duties and making appropriations therefore and repealing an Act herein named. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1181, Satterthwaite - Bowman, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Higher Education. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1182, Stuffle et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1183, Flinn et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Bingo License and Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1184, Mays et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to license and regulate grain dealers engaged in the business of purchasing grain from producers thereof and making appropriation in connection herewith. First Reading of the Bill. Bouse Bill 1185, Curran - Preston, a Bill for an Act concerning nursing home care alternatives and amending certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1186, Steczo - Nelson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1187, Steczo - Nelson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1188, Steczo 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 28th Legislative Day April 7, 1983 Nelson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1189, Steczo Nelson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1190, Steczo Nelson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1191, Koehler Van Duyne, a Bill for an Act to designate the week to observe as Illinois Prairie Week. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1192, Koehler Breslin et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Court Reporters Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1193, Hannig et al, a Bill for an act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1194, Didrickson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1195, Kirkland, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Hospital Licensing Act. First Reading of the Bill. Continuing with introduction and First Readings. House Bill 1176 (sic 1196), Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relationship to definition, licensing, regulation of community currency exchanges and ambulatory currency exchanges and the operators and employees thereof, and to make appropriation therefore and provide penalties and remedies for the violation thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1196, Oblinger, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Barber Law. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1197, Koehler, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill. Bouse Bill 1198, Bowman et al, a Bill for an Act in relationship to home and community based services for the aged and disabled. First Reading of the Bill. ... No further business, the House now stands adjourned till Wednesday, April 13th, at 12 o'clock noon." 88  07/19/83 11:19 STATE CE IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEERESENTATIVES CAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 07, 1983 PAGE 1 HE-0001 TEIRD READING FAGE 44 HB-0021 THIED BEALING FAGE 47 HR-0046 IBIRD READING FAGE 49 HE-0067 THIRD BEALING FAGE 50 HE-0081 THIRD READING FAGE 56 HB-0107 TBIFD REALING FAGE 58 EB-0108 THIPD READING PAGE 59 SB-0208 THIRD REALING EAGE 61 HB-0223 THIED SEALING EAGE 61 EB-0242 THIRD BEADING FAGE 67 HE-0319 SECOND BEADING FAGE 7 62-0454 SECOND READING FAGE 12 BB-0462 THIRD READING FAGE 33 EB-0482 TEIED READING FAGE 36 HB-0483 TETED BEADING FAGE 37 HP-0486 SECOND READING FAGE 26 HB-0510 THIED READING FAGE 38 БЕ-0520 ТEIRD READING FAGE 39 HB-0530 THIBD BEADING FAGE 40 HE-0532 SECOND BEADING EAGE 27 HE-0533 SECOND FEALING FAGE 27 EB-0571 THIRD READING FAGE 41 HE-0596 SECOND BEALING FAGE 28 HB-0599 SECOND READING FAGE 28 BE-0622 SECOND FEADING FAGE 28 EE-0626 THIED BEADING FAGE 2 HB-0645 TEIED READING FAGE 42 HB-0682 SECONE READING FAGE 30 HB-0888 MCTION FAGE 70 EB-1108 FIRST READING FAGE 2 HE-1109 FIRST READING FAGE 3 HB-1110 FIRST REALING FAGE 3 HB-1111 FIRST FEALING FAGE 3 BB-1112 FIRST READING FAGE 3 HB-1113 FIEST READING FAGE 3 RB-1114 FIRST READING FAGE 3 HB-1115 FIRST READING FAGE 3 EP-1116 FIRST READING FAGE 3 BB-1117 FIRST REACING FAGE 3 HB-1118 FIRST READING EAGE 3 HB-1119 FIRST GEADING EAGE 3 BB-1120 FIRST READING FAGE 3 HE-1121 FIRST READING FAGE 3 HB-1122 FIRST READING FAGE 3 HB-1123 FIRST FEALING FAGE 3 EB-1124 FIRST READING FAGE 82 BB-1125 FIRST REALING FAGE 82 BB-1126 FIRST READING FAGE 82 HB-1127 FIRST SEALING FAGE 82 HB-1128 FIRST READING FAGE 82 HB-1129 FIRST READING FAGE 82 HB-1130 FIRST READING FAGE 83 AB-1131 FISST FEACING FAGE 83 HB-1132 FIRST READING FAGE 83 BB-1133 FIRST READING FAGE 83 BB-1134 FIRST READING FAGE 83 BB-1135 FIRST EFALING EAGE 83 EB-1136 FIEST READING FAGE 83 HB-1137 FIRST READING FAGE 83 HB-1138 FIFST BEATING EAGE 83 EB-1139 FIRST READING FAGE 83 HB-1140 FIRST READING FAGE 83 BB-1141 FIRST READING FAGE 83 HB-1142 FIRST REALING FAGE 83 EB-1143 FIRST READING FAGE 84  07/19/83 11:19 STATE CF IIIINCIS 8380 GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCEIFTICK CE DEEATE INDEX APRIL 07, 1983 PAGE 2 HB-1144 FIRST DEALING FAGE 84 HE-1145 FIRST READING FAGE 84 HB-1146 FIRST REALING FAGE 84 BB-1147 FIRST READING FAGE 84 BB-1148 FIRST READING FAGE 84 HE-1149 FIRST BEALING AGE 84 HB-1150 FIRST REALING FAGE 84 BB-1151 FIFST REALING EAGE 84 EB-1152 FIRST BEADING FAGE 84 HB-1153 FIRST REALING FAGE 84 88-1154 FIRST READING FAGE 84 HB-1155 FIRST READING EAGE 84 EB-1156 FIRST READING FAGE 85 HB-1157 FIRST READING FAGE 85 HB-1158 FIRST READING FAGE 85 HB-1159 FISST REALING FAGE 85 BB-1160 FIRST READING FAGE 85 HE-1161 FIRST READING EAGE 85 HB-1162 FIRST READING FAGE 85 HB-1163 FIEST FEALING EAGE £5 EB-1164 FIRST READING EAGE 85 HB-1165 FIRST BEADING FAGE 85 BE-1166 FIRST REALING FAGE 85 HB-1167 FISST BEALING FAGE 85 EB-1168 FIRST READING FAGE 85 HB-1169 FIRST READING FAGE 86 HB-1170 FIRST READING FAGE 86 HB-1171 FIEST READING FAGE 86 EB-1172 FIBST READING FAGE 86 HB-1173 FIEST READING FAGE 86 HB-1174 FIRST REALING FAGE 86 HB-1175 FIEST BEALING FAGE 86 EB-1176 FIRST READING FAGE 86 HE-1177 FIRST READING EAGE 86 HB-1178 FIRST READING FAGF 87 HB-1179 PIEST READING FAGE 87 6B-1180 FIRST READING FAGE 87 HE-1181 FIRST READING FAGE 87 BB-1182 FIRST READING FAGE 87 BB-1183 FIRST BEALING FAGE 87 BE-1184 FIRST READING FAGE 87 88-1185 FIRST READING FAGE €7 HB-1186 FIRST READING FAGE 87 HB-1187 FIRST BEADING FAGE 87 HB-1188 FIRST READING FAGE 87 HE-1189 FIRST READING FAGE 88 HE-1190 FIRST READING FAGE 88 6B-1191 FIEST BRALING FAGE 88 BE-1192 FISST READING EAGE 88 HE-1193 FIRST READING FAGE 88 HB-1194 FIRST READING FAGE 88 HB-1195 FIEST READING EAGE 88 HB-1196 FIRST READING FAGE 88 HB-1197 FIRST REALING FAGE 88 HB-1198 FIRST READING FAGE 88 SB-0177 FIFST REALING FAGE 5 SB-0177 MOTION FAGE 5 HR-0084 AICFTED FAGE 68 BR-0157 MOTION FAGE 71 SJR-0021 ALCFTED FAGE 78  07/19/83 11:19 STATE CF IILINCIS EGED GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE CF FEFFESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION CF DEEATE INDEX APBII 07, 1983 SUEJECT MATTER HOUSE TO CRDER - SPEAKE? PADIGAN PRAYER - FEVEFEND E?IC STUMPF PLEDGE CF ALLEGIANCE BOLL CAIL FCB ATTENDANCE COMMITTEE REECRIS FEFFESENTATIVE MCPIKE IN CHAIR AGFEE? RESCLUTIONS GENEFAL RESCLUTIONS DEATH FESCLUTION ADJCURNMENT PEFFUNCTORY SESSION MESSAGES FFOM SENATE COMMITTEE FEFCFTS FEFFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJCURNMENT PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE 1 1 1 1 4 2 77 78 78 81 81 81 81 88 PAGE 3