Illinois House Floor Debate — May 8, 1984

"The House shall come to crder. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by the Reverend Forest Hagood, Pastor of the Kincaid Church of God. Reverend Hagood is a guest of Bepresentative Josephine Oblinger. Will the guests in the gallery please rise to join us in the invocation?"

"Let us pray. Our Heavenly Father, we thank You today for the freedoms that we enjoy in this great country, for the opportunities that we have to come together, and to make our own laws and to govern ourselves as cur conscience direct and as we are led by the spirit of the Lord. We ask today, Lord, for Your special blessing to be upon this order of business, that each Legislator would be led of Your spirit and that laws and government would come together in a way that the people of God would be benefitted and that the glory of God could be exalted in this place. We ask it in Jesus Christ's name and for His sake, and Amen."

"We shall be led in the Fledge of Allegiance by Representative Bopp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Boll Call for Attendance. Mr. Greiman, are there any excused absences?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Representatives C'Connell and Bhem are excused today for official business, if the record would so reflect."

"Let the record reflect those excused absences. Mr. Fiel, are there any excused absences?"

"There are none at the present time, Mr. Speaker." 1  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 115th Legislative Day

Kr. Fiel." May 8, 1984 "Thank you, Hr. Fiel. KI... Someone has just...

"Yes, I have been notified that Representative Davis and Representative Klemm have been excused."

"Gould someone change Mr. Cavis switch? Με. Clerk, take the record. Mr. Clerk, let's take the Boll Call again. Does the Doorkeeper have the voting switch for MI- Christensen? Let's dump this Foll Call. Representative Deuchler, would you rescue the voting switch from Representative Klemm's desk? Representative Deuchler, would you remove the voting switch? Br. Doorkeeper, we need the voting key for Bepresentative Ecffman. Republican Doorkeeper, provide the voting switch for Representative Hoffman. Alright. Once again let us take a Boll Call for Attendance. We are taking a Boll Call for Attendance. Would someone remove the voting switch in Representative Rhem's desk? Br. Huff, has it been removed? Thank you. Mr. Clerk, take the record. There being 114 Members responding, there is a guorum present. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Appropriation Bills, there appears House Bill 2372, Mr. Nautino. Is Mr. Mautinc in the chamber? Again, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, Appropriation Bills, there appears House Bill 2477, Mr. Dwight Friedrich. Mr. Friedrich, do you wish to call your Bill? It's an appropriation to the Department of Agriculture. Mr. Clerk, read the Pill." Clerk O'Brien: 2477, "House Bill a Fill for an Act Baking to the Department of Agriculture. Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." appropriation

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"NODE."

"Third Reading. Acuse Bill 2546, Mr. Matijevich. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill." 2  115th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMEDY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ May 8, 1984

"House Bill 2546, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the ordinary and contingent expense for the State Board of Education. Seccnd Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Pill 2547, ピエ Stuffle. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Cleck, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2547, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the State Board of Education for the disbursement of certain monies. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Kotions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Ficor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Bcuse Pill 2549, Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 2549, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Metropolitan Fair and Exhibition Authority Reconstruction Pund. Second heading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, I was in error. This Bill should be... should be held on the Order of Second Reading, so that House Bill 2549 shall be placed on the Order of Second Beading. Bouse Bill 2627, Representative Barnes. Do you wish tc call your Bill? This Bill shall remain OD the Order of Second Beading. House Bill 2632, Representative Earnες. Representative 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day Barnes. May 8, 1984

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to yield to our Leader, Representative Daniels."

"Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels, shall we read this Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2632, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Property Tax Appeal Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Nash, amends House Bill 2632 as amended, by changing the title to read as follows and so forth."

"Mr. Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 to House Bill 2632 funds all the Commissions at the level to which they requested. I move for its adoption."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2640, Representative Barnes. Do you wish to call the Bill? The Lady indicates she does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 2642, Representative Barnes. Do you wish to call this Bill? Lady indicates she does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 2645, Representative Barnes. Lady indicates she does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 2646, Representative Barnes. Lady indicates she does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 2651, Representative Barnes. Mr. Clerk, read 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 115th Legislative Day the Fill."

"House Bill 2651, a Fill for an May 8, 1984 Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Court of Claims. Second heading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Fill 2729, Βepresentative Woodyard. Do you wish to call the Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Pill. House Bill 2734, Representative Nautino. the Department of Conservation. 2734, an appropriation to Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk 0 Brien: "House Bill 2734, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the Department of Conservation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Arendsents?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Eouse Bill 2739, Mr. Curran. Gentleman indicates he does nct wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2769, Mr. Brummer. Is MI. Brusmer er in the chamber? House Bill 2785, Mr. Leverenz. Kr. Leverenz. Mr. Clerk, read the Pill."

"House Bill 2785, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Attorney General. the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed." Speaker Madigan: 5 Second Beading of were adopted in "Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Hclf, amends House Bill 2785."

"Mr. Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. 5  115th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 8, 1984 Amendment #26 to House Bill 2785 is an Amendment which adds $229,000 to the Attorney General's budget for the purpose of establishing a regional office in the City of Granite City. The purpose of the program is to provide a mechanism to make the services of the Attorney General more available and accessible to those who need the services in that region, and I would ask for your support."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. On that question, the Chair shall recognize Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have no objection to the Amendment."

"Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz."

"Yes, Sir. I said, again, I have no objection to the Amendment."

"Alright. Mr. Piel."

"Question of the Chair. Has this been printed and distributed?"

"Mr. Wolf, the Page indicates that this has not yet been printed and distributed. Mr. Fage, I know there will be an inquiry relative to the nonavailability of this particular Amendment to this particular Bill, so when will this be available? Absolutely. The Chair hereby orders that this be printed immediately so that this Bill can be considered today. Take this out of the record. We shall return to this Bill. House Bill 20... Mr. Johnson, are you seeking recognition?"

"No, I was just... the same inquiry."

"House Bill 2786, Mr. Leverenz. Do you wish to call this Bill, Mr. Leverenz? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2786, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the State Comptroller. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"Are there any Ficor Arendrents?"

"NODE." May 8, 1984

"Third Beading. Mr. Mautino, we called another one of your Bills, an appropriation Bill, 2372 to the Department of Agriculture. Do you wish to call that Bill? Mr. Clerk, on page 18 of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Bill 2372. Read the Fil1."

"House Bill 2372, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Agriculture. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Axendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. ΜΕ Do Cn page 16 of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate Calendar, there appears House Bill 968, Stuffle. you wish to call your Bill? It's on page 8... page 16 of the Calendar on the Order of House Fills Second Reading Short Debate Calendar. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2731, Mr. Steczo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2731, a Eill for an Act tc amend the School Code. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Anendments."

"For what recognition?" purpose does Br. Vinson seek

". Speaker, I just wanted to call to your attention House Bill 2325. I think you... you missed that on the Calendar."

"Eecause the Sponsor had asked that we pass the Bill. Thank you. And on House Bill 2731, are there any 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Motions to be..."

"No Committee Amendments."

"There are no Committee Amendments. Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2738, Mr. Richmond. Do you wish to call your Bill, 2738? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2761, Mr. Ewing. Is Mr. Ewing in the chamber? House Bill 2810, Representative Deuchler. The Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 2830, Representative Nelson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2830, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2864, Mr. Shaw. Is Mr. Shaw in the chamber? House Bill 2905, Representative Deuchler. Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 2924, Mr. Farley. Is Mr. Farley in the chamber? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2953, Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2953, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to foreign trade zones. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3059, Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIPTION CЕВАТЕ 115th Legislative Day

"House May 8, 1984 Bill 3059, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to airport authorities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Ccanittee Amendments." "Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Beading. House Fill 3091, Mr. Daniels or Mr. Byder. Mr. Ryder, do you wish to call this Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish tc call his Pill. House Bill 3127, Br. Hannig. Do you wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 3136, Mr. DeJaegher. Mr. Clerk, read the  115th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Eause Eill 3219. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 3219, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bills Second Reading, House Bill 328, Mr. Ballock. Ια ycu wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. For what purpose does Mr. Fierce seek recognition? For what purpose does Mr. Pierce seek recognition? Do you seek recognition, Mr. Fierce? Thank you. House Bill 704, Representative Younge. DG you wish to call your Bill? Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Eill. House Bill 1063, BI. Fierce. Do you wish to call your Bill? 1063 deals with the Bank Eclding Company Act. MI. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Bill 1063, a Eill for an Act to..."

"Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 1302, Mr. Eannig. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 1556, Representative Zuick. Representative Zwick. Do you wish to call this Bill? The Lady indicates she does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 1573, 8r. Stuffle. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 1591, Mr. Hensel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1591, a Eill for an Act to arend an Act in relation to county boards. Second beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 115th Legislative Day

"Are there any Ficor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. May 8, 1984 On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Pill 1063. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1063, a Fill for an Act tc amend the Illinois Bank Holding Company Act of 1957. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Arendsents."

"Are there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Arendsents."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Beading. Mr. Clerk. Bouse Bill 1742, Mr. Levin. Do you wish to call your Pill? It's an Amendment to the School Code. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Fill. Ecuse Fill 2141, Mr. McMaster. Mr. McMaster. Is Mr. McMaster in the chamber? House Bill 2213, Representative Alexander. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Lady indicates she does not wish to call ber Fill. House Bill 2278, Mr. Buff. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. Bouse Bill 2279, Mr. Greiman. Do you wish to call your Fill? Mr. Greisan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Bouse Eill 2279..."

"Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2296, Mr. Hallock. Is Mr. Ballock in the chamber? Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 2296, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois County Historic Freservation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"None." 11  115th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION DEBATE May 8, 1984

"Third Reading. Bouse Bill 2307, Mr. Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2307, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Mction?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Eouse Bill 2334. Mr. Clerk, take this Bil1 out of the reccrd. House Bill 2339, Representative Oblinger. Is Representative Oblinger in the chamber? Mr. Steczo, do you have an Arendment to this Bill? To create a... It's sponsored by Representative Oblinger, an Act to create the Elder Abuse Act? Mr. Stec20,"

"I" not avare at the present time, Mr. Speaker, but I will check."

"Representative Oblinger tells the Chair that she has been holding this Fill at your request."

"Mr. Speaker, I... at the Committee hearing I had raised some questions, and myself and people from the Department on Aging were... were discussing the matter. However, I'm not aware of any Amendment that's been filed thus far. So, if the Lady would prefer, Mr. Speaker, to move it to Third and should there be any, we can nove it back to Second at some later date."

"ör. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 2339, a Bill for an Act to prohibit the abuse of aged adults and to require the reporting of suspected cases of abuse. Second Reading of the Bill. Anendment #1 was adopted in Committee.".

"Is there a Motion?" 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 8, 1984 115th Legislative Day

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2341, Mr. Konan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2341, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Heading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments? Mr. Bonan, there has been a request for a fiscal note filed. Who filed the request, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Tuerk."

"Mr. Tuerk has filed a reguest for a fiscal note so that the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading until the fiscal note has been filed. Mr. Clerk, is there a fiscal note filed on 2342 which is the next Fill? Is there a request for a fiscal note on 2342, Mr. Clerk? Mr. Assistant Clerk, did you tell me that an Amendsent was just filed to this Bill? Mr. Ecnan, on House Eill 2342, an Amendment was just filed to this Fill within the hour, which will require that the Arendment be printed and distributed before we consider 2342. So 2342 will also remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2350, Representative Currie. Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. Bouse Bill 2373, MI. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Bill 2373, a Bill for an Act to amend the law concerning documents and papers of the Industrial Commission. Second Feading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"NODE."

"Third Beading. House Eill 2400, MI. Bowman. 13  STATE OF ILIINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION .DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2400, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in Committee. Floor Amendment #3, Brookins and Powman, amends House Bill 2400 as amended."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment simply guarantees to the best of our ability that the regular monetary award program will be in no way impaired if the underlying Bill passes. I urge adoption of this Amendment."

"Mr. Bowman, on Amendment #3."

"I have concluded my remarks. I just urge the adoption of the Amendment."

"You are prepared to take this under consideration, to move to Roll Call?"

"Can we do it on voice vote?"

"Mr. Bowman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 2400. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson."

"As I read the... Will the Sponsor yield for a question, Mr. Speaker?"

"Excuse me, Mr. Vinson?"

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"As I read the Amendment, Mr. Bowman, what the Amendment does is to say that this program will not occur unless there's a separate line item for this program." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"That's basically right, yes." May 8, 1984

"So that you would not be isperiling the existing program and its funding."

"That's exactly right."

"But that would not prevent an Amendment in the appropriation Bill that simply took money out of the existing program and put it into this as a separate line item."

"Well, if it did, then the program that I'm seeking would not be implemented, and so I..."

"Why is that?"

"Well, it has been my express intention all along that I am not trying to impair the basic program that the state operates, and this Amendment is a... an effort to make that intention as clear as possible to everybody on the floor of the House."

"Why don't you just put it in a separate line item?"

"We will... We will do that, but I have been... I have been promising that and as good as I think my promises are, other people want more assurance. And this is an effort to try and give as much assurance to people who are concerned about that issue as possible. I'm the Sponsor of the Bill. I'm attempting to amend my own Bill. I mean, I think most of the times, we let Sponsors amend their own Bill. I consider it to be a technical Amendment."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Fiel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield to a question, please?"

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Representative Bowman, I notice by reading the Amendment that you are saying that at least $108,000,000 has to be appropriated or no scholarships will be given. Could you 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMFLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 explain to the Body why this specific figure has to be in there or why you've got the specific figure of $108,000,000 has to be appropriated for this?"

"Yes, that's the Board of Higher Education allocation of the Governor's bottom line. So that if the Governor's budget passes intact, the Board of Higher Education recommends that that's what we appropriate to the monetary award program, so I took that number."

"Well, alright. So that basically what you are saying that is if it's amended down, let's say $107,500,000 that no scholarships could be given, correct?"

"Oh, DC, no, no, no, no. Under... under the new program scholarships could be given, not under the cld program, surely. We are going to spend that $107 plus million dollars."

"Well, what I'm saying... what I'm saying, you're sitting here saying that if it's exactly $108,000,000 has to be appropriated or no scholarships under the new program can be given..."

"That's right."

"In other words, if somebody brought it down by even five dollars, that that program would be voided because of it's less than exactly what you had in there, correct?"

"Well, that's right and, of course, as you probably surmise, that would be a way that someone might wish to surreptitiously make sure that the legislation went unfunded; however, my feeling is that, you know, the person we are talking about is the Governor, for heaven sakes. I mean he's the one that's got the asendatory weto authority. I think if he didn't want the legislation, he'd just veto the underlying Bill. So I don't understand the source of your concern."

"Well, the source of my concern is if you've got a good 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFEESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 program and you sit here and you have an underlying, you know, language in there that it has to be exactly so much or the Bill won't go through, I think you, you know, you're treading on very thin ice. The situation where, fine, it's vetoed or amended over in the Senate. ΟΙ ODE thing or another, and it's less than exactly your figure then all cf a sudden what you have done is completely abolish the program. I think you are, you know, taking quite perilous chances there. Thank you very much."

"Well, Representative, I'm prepared to run that risk. It is my assurance to everybody that I am not iaperiling the basic program."

"The question is, Shall Amendment #3 be adopted to House Bill 24002* Those in favor of the Arenduent say 'aye", those opposed say 'no'. The "ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Braun."

"Eepresentative Braun on Amendment 14."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #4 to House Pill 2400 simply uses... adopts rather, the standard, the Deeds analysis standard employed by... already employed by the Illincis State Scholarship Commission in making the tuition grants through this program. The reason for this change is tc assure the widest distribution possible of scholarship grants so that families, high income families, would not benefit by a windfall under this program as constructed and so as tc, again, use the standard that the ISSC is already using in terms of needs analysis."

"Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. Those in favor... For what purpose does Mr. Bowman seek recognition, not having put his light on?" Bowman; "I аш... I am seeking recognition in opposition to this 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Amendment. The adoption of the previous Amendment makes this Amendment unnecessary because the Lady spoke of wanting to make sure the dollars got spread around as far as possible. I think we guarantee that the basic underlying monetary award program will not be affected by the passage of this Bill when we adopted the earlier Amendment. Now she comes along with an Amendment, and the effect of her Amendment is to cut in half the number of students who will be awarded scholarships under the Bill that I am proposing, 2400. The... and furthermore, not only does she cut the scholarships in half, but the brunt of the cut is going to be felt by students going to the University of Illinois in particular. You know, everyone seems to be under the misimpression that Northwestern is somehow making more money on this Bill than anybody else. Let me tell you, the University of Illinois students are getting $650,000 under House Bill 2400 as it now stands. Northwestern would get $332,000, their students would. But, if this Amendment goes on, the University of Illinois would lose $450,000. Northwestern would lose $100,000. The brunt of this Amendment is going to be forced onto University of Illinois students, and I think that is... that is inappropriate. $450,000 is too much to lose when... and you are cutting half the kids out of the program. The uniform methodology which is the... the methodology that I use in the underlying Bill is in use in most of the states in this country and, indeed, the Illinois State Scholarship Commission begins with that as its base and simply applies arbitrary rationing mechanisms to that figure. It is the basis on which ISSC really does start its own calculations. So I think this Amendment is at best unnecessary and at worst destructive. I urge its rejection." 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE $15th Legislative Day

"On Vinson: Vinson." "Thank May 8, 1984 Amendment #4, the Chair recognizes Mr. you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise with Mr. Ecwman in opposition to this Amendment. The Gentleman has come to us with a Bill which... by which he attempts to present a different philosophy of assistance in a certain limited number of cases in state scholarship programs. I believe he has a right, as a Sponsor, to present that program to us. I don't know whether we can afford that program or not, but I do believe he has a right to present that program to us. And I would urge everybody to vote against this Amendment because it would emasculate his program. It would deny us the opportunity to fairly consider that program, and I don't believe we need to do that at this time. I would urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I, too, rise in opposition to the Amendment. What we have attempted to do with the basic Bill is to provide assurance that no student in the top five percent of their graduating class will be denied access to higher education. We are finding that with limited numbers of dollars going into the regular monetary award programs that, in fact, the Scholarship Commission has to apply what they call multipliers that ration the money. One of the goals of the legislation is to make sure that additional money will be available to those needy students who are in the top five percent of their graduating class. And I would suggest that this Amendment will greatly hamper that and suggest a 'no' vote on the Amendment."

"Mr. Leverenz."

"Sponsor yield?" 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984

"Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"Representative, there was an earlier explanation by Representative Bowman on this Amendment and shat it would do. He indicated that it would cut in half the number of people that would be eligible for scholarship. Would you indicate if he is correct or incorrect and why?"

"Thank you, Representative. I really have no information regarding the nuxbers that Representative Bowman just used. I don't have the figures on the number of students that this would cut or, indeed, on the nuster of dollars that would be transferred anong and between the varicus universities. The information that I have, however, suggests that this language will use the needs analysis standard that the Commission is using nck. Sc that thcse students... an analysis of needs would not have to be done all over again. We would not have to reinvent the wheel, if you will, in terms of needs analysis systess. We would simply use the system that is in place now for making determinations under the Frogram as... as proposed by Representative Bowman's legislation. So, again, I cannot respond to the numbers because I don't have them at this moment. But I, again, I chose this language or chose this Azendment so as to avoid using an arbitrary determination that was created anew in this legislation, but rather Use something, a system, that had been tried by the Scholarship Commission before."

"You indicated then it would allow those children in families with a higher level of income would be applicable to the scholarship program, is that correct?"

"I'm sorry. Would you repeat your guestion?"

"That those children in a family at a higher income level would have an opportunity to get a schclarship, is that correct?" 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"Hould have aD opportunity May 8, 1984 under the Eill itself. However, this Amendment, I believe, will keep the highest income families from enjoying, if you will, a windfall by virtue of the operation of this program and will allow for greater distribution of the serit awards, to use the term, across the board in terms of income for students. But it would, indeed, if you will... It wouldn't establish a cap, but rather use the needs analysis that the ISSC is already using. By virtue of that analysis systes, the highest income families would not be eligible under the program. but the high moderate income families would.

"To the Amendment. From the information that I have in front of me, it would appear that the Amenduent cffered by Representative Braun would actually cut the amount of money in half that would go cut in scholarships under Amendment #3 and would be a dastardly deed to do to the Bill, 2400, and I'd encourage a 'nc' vote."

"Mr. Stuffle."

"Br. Speaker, briefly. Looking at the Amendment, I think it does, indeed, do what Representative Bowman suggests, and it may have the effect and probably does have the effect of cutting out some of the very people that the Sponsor rightfully intends to cover in the Arendment. And is I think, as I indicated, Representative Bowman absolutely right, and for the reasons he cited, we ought to defeat the Amendment."

"Representative Eraun, tc clcse." Braun; "I have nothing further, Mr. Speaker, except to suggest that the Amendment, again, uses the standard that is already in place and that we need not reinvent the wheel on this issue."

"The question is, 'Shall Arendment #4 to House Bill 2400 be adopted?* Those in favor shall signify by 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY ACUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 voting 'aye, those opposed by voting 'no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 6 'ayes', 100 "nos". The Amendment fails. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Avendments."

"Third Reading. House Eill 2401, Mr. Vinson. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bil1, House Bill1 2417, Mr. Pangle. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2419, Br. Rea. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Fill. EGUSE Bill 2425, Mr. Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2425, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading cf the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2426, Mr. Curran. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2434, Mr. McPike. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. Ecuse Eill 2440, Mr. Shaw. Is Mr. Shaw in the chamber? House Fill 2441, Er. Mulcahey. Gentleman said he'd like to call his Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Pill 2441, a Pill for an Act tc amend the Illinois Vehicle Code and the Facilities for the Handicapped Act. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Notions?"

"A Motion to table Amendment #1 by Representative Mulcahey."

"Mr. Mulcahey." 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 "Thank you, dr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to table Amendment #1 to this... 2441, and this will be made up by Amendment #9, technical changes we have to make in Amendment #9. And I would move to table... ask leave to table Amendment #1."

"Gentleman MOVES to table Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? There being БО discussion, the question is 'Shall Amendment #1 be tabled? Those in favor say "aye, those opposed say 'no". The ayes have it. The Amendment is tabled. Are there any further Motions?"

"No further Motions."

"Are there any further Agendaents?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Davis, amends House Bill 2441 as amended by deleting all of Subsection (b) and sc forth."

Mr. Vinson."

"MI Speaker, Representative Davis is an excused absence for the day. He has participated in the drafting of this legislation, in putting several Axendments on the Bill. I don't understand the Bill or the Amenduents, ctherwise, I would be glad to handle then for him. I wonder if the Sponsor might take the Bill out of the record until tomorrow so that Mr. Davis could be here to deal with those Amendments."

"Er. Mulcahey."

"Id be happy to, Mr. Speaker. Flease take the Bill out of the record."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Bepresentative Mulcahey."

"This Bill shall be taken cut of the record. The Chair recognizes Mr. Christensen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 1 just want to take a minute to introduce the students, the 7th and 8th grade students, from Immaculate Conception School ip Morris. They are up behind us in the balcony." 23  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 Mr. Friedrich. "House Bill 2451, Mr. Friedrich. House Bill 2451, do you wish to call your Bill? read the Bill."

Mr. Clerk, "House Bill 2451, a Fill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to state finance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Anendaents."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?" "Floor Amendment #1, Friedrich, amends House Bill 2451 by deleting everything after the enacting clause and sc forth."

"Hr. Friedrich."

"I'd like to table Amendsent #1. 1ª ve got Arendment #2 there."

"Gentleman Noves to table Amendment #1. Is Gentleman moves to withdraw Amendment #1. Is there leave? there leave? leave is granted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment $2, Friedrich, amends House Bill 2451 by deleting everything after the enacting clause and so forth."

"Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I would sove the adoption of Amendment #2. This is an Amendment that has been worked out between the Comptrcller's Office and the Auditor General which actually what it does is raise the ancunt of an individual voucher from $25 to $50 when it comes cut of the petty cash fund. It's going to cut in half the number of vouchers out of petty cash fund, and I think it's going to be a considerable savings to the State of Illinois. But it is agreeable to the Comptroller and the Auditor General. So I move the adoption of the Amendment."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say aye", those opposed say "no". The 'ayes" have it. The 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2473, Mr. Berrios. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2473, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Notary Public Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2511, Mr. Harris. Do you wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2516, Representative Nelson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2516, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"For what purpose does Mr... Place this Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2516 shall be placed on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2568, Representative Currie. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2568, a Bill for an Act in relation to the tax levies for aquariums, museums and parks. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2592, Mr. Matijevich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2592, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEHELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"Are there any Floor Arendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." May 8, 1984

"And the Clerk informs me that the fiscal note has been filed. Third Reading. Ecuse Eill 2629, Mr. Nchaster. Do you wish to call this Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2629, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments? For what purpose does Br. McMaster seek recognition?"

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. That was the Bill that I just turned in an Amendment on and is not distributed yet."

"Do you wish to leave this Bill OD Second Beading?" Mchaster: #Yes. I would go back and pick up 2141, but I was temporarily off the..."

"Let us dispose of House Pill 2629 shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. On page 17 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 2141. For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, back on page 20 you skipped 2545. I assumе you did SO as you normally do because the Sponsor didn't want the Fill called."

"yes."

"But you might have overlocked the fact that 2566, a non-appropriation Bill, is at the bottom of that page, and I don't think that was the case in regard to that Bill."

"I was told that there was an Amendment being prepared for that Eill, Mr. Vinson." Vinson; "Ey whom?" 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 8, 1984 115th Legislative Day

"I'm not sure who was preparing the Amendment. I'm sure Mr. Cullerton could address that guestion. While you resolve that problem, Hr. Vinson, let us go to page 17 of the Calendar, and there is House Bill 2141, Mr. McMaster. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2141, a Pill for an Act to provide for the election of the commissioners of airport authorities. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendment 11 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motion filed."

"Are there any Floor Auendaents?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Back CE page 20 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 2670, Representative Currie. Representative Currie. Do you wish to call your Bill, 2670? Lady indicates she does not wish to call ber Bill. House Bill 2713, Mr. Giorgi. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Eill. Eouse Fill 2719, Mr. Pangle. Dc you wish to call your Bill? Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2732, Mr. Greiman. Do you wish to call1 your Bill? MI. Clerk, read the Eill."

"House Bill 2732, a Bill for an Act creating the Centre East Metropolitan Exhibition (sic - Exposition), Auditorium and Office Building Authority. Second Beading of the Bill. So Committee Asendments."

"Are there any Floor Auendrents?"

"Floor Amendment #..."

"For what furfose does Representative Barnes Barnes: seek recognition?" "Well, Mr. Speaker, I have an Amendment filed for this House Bill." 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 "Amendment #1, Barnes, amends House Bill 2732 by deleting the title and so forth."

"Representative Barnes, before we move to consideration of the Amendment, the Chair recognizes Representative Topinka."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in this break I was wondering if we could possibly recognize, up in the center gallery behind us, a group of students who are here... there's nineteen of them from fifteen countries. They are here visiting with... living with families for the Rotary Clubs of Illinois, as well as through the American field service, and they are being headed up today by Mr. and Mrs. Gates of Downers Grove. They represent the countries of the Philippines, Thailand, Austria, Indonesia, Italy, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, Peru, Costa Rica, Canada, Belgium and Norway. And I think it would be nice if we welcomed our visitors from overseas."

"On page 20 of the Calendar, House Bill 2732, Representative Barnes has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Greiman."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I don't have any feelings about Amendment 1 except that I would have preferred my Bill passing and being on the Governor's desk all by itself. But on these issues one either gets a lot of help and everybody puts their Amendment on and it gets 118 votes, or one fights it to the death. So I leave it to the House to make that decision."

"Mr. Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Representative yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates she will yield." 28  115th Legislative Day STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 8, 1984

"Representative Barnes, as I understand, your Amendment to Representative Greiman's Eill provides for a similar authority in your district, is that correct?"

"That is correct."

"Do you have any estimated cost relative to what may be in hand and what the total cost might come to?"

"Yes, I do. It is 1.7 million dollars that that Authority would be entitled to under the DCCA program. I asked Mr. Greiman before I filed the Amendment if I had his permission to, and at that time, he said, "Yes.""

"Thank you. One additional question. How much полеу is DCCA proposing this year to invest in this type of program for all the proposals being offered?"

"Five million dollars."

"Thank you very much."

"The Lady moves for the adcftion cf Amendment #1. Those in favor of the adoption of Amendment #1 will signify by voting aye", thase opposed by voting "no". Have all voted who wish? Have all vcted who wish? Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 52 'ayes', 16 'no". The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Giorgi - Van Duyne and Davis."

" "Mr. Giorgi, on Amendment #2."

"MI Speaker, this Amendment just increases the lid allowable for any civic center in their initial funding. It increases the funding from 20 to 25 million on an initial civic center venture because of inflation and the high cost of construction and so on."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye, those creased say "no". The nos have it. The Amendment fails. Are re there further 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day Amendments?" May 8, 1984

"Floor Amendment #3, Kirkland, amends House Bill 2732 as amended and so forth."

"Mr. Kirkland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is to create the Elgin Metropolitan Exposition, Auditorium and Office Building Authority and is along the same lines as Representative Greiman and Barnes were progressing. The amount indicated in the DCCA report, which I have seen a copy of, is that there would be a possibility of about & million dollars in funding, but as... To repeat what was stated before, the whole fund, at this point, only produces about five million dollars a year. We simply would like to have this Authority as another option to address a difficult downtown rehabilitation problem in an old satellite downtown that's similar to several of the towns that already have this Authority. And we think we could use this added option. Would ask for this Amendment to be passed."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Will this allow the Authority to issue general obligation bonds?"

"Yes."

"With taxing power, taxing authority?"

"With what?"

"With taxing authority?"

"I... I don't... I don't believe sc... to cover the bonds. I don't believe so."

"Wouldn't you think that would be kind of an important thing to find out?"

"I'm not sure."

"Mr. Greiman." 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"Mr. Speaker. May 8, 1984 my Bill, which is the essence of 2732, does not have GO bonds which would require an extraordinary majority. Mine are revenue bonds. This changes the whole character of the Act so that I would have a different view of this than I had of the previous Amendments since this would impose upon this Bill the passage of a Three-Fifths Majority and would impair, or not impair, but lay upon the general revenue of the State of Illinois. So I would oppose this Bill... this Amendment then."

"Mr. Kirkland to close."

"Mr. Speaker, I... it was my understanding this Bill would not be called today. I asked Mr. Greiman. I'm frankly not aware and I have to relook at this Amendment as to whether the GG bonds are issuable under this Amendment."

"Mr. Greiman, it might help the dialogue if we were to take the Bill out of the record to let Mr. Kirkland talk with you. And then there is an Amendment #5 that has not yet been printed. It's somewhere in the building, and the Republicans would like to go to Caucus. So, if we could take this Bill out of the record. Let Mr. Kirkland talk with Mr. Greiman. The Page will try and get Amendment #5 prepared for our return, and the Chair recognizes Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to have a 30 minute recess for the purpose of a Republican conference in Room 118 immediately."

"Mr. Friedrich, could you be back on the floor at approximately 2:10?"

"Yes, Sir. I'll give it my best shot."

"Okay, thank you. The Republicans shall go to caucus until 2:10. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. All unauthorized personnel including the lobbyists for the banking 31  115th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕВАТЕ May 8, 1984 associations shall please leave the floor at the request of Representative Pierce. On page 20 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 2732. Mr. Greiman is the Sponsor of the Bill, and at the time of our recess, Mr. Kirkland was offering an Amendment. Is Mr. Greiman ca the floor? Is Mr. Kirkland on the floor? Mr. Kirkland, did you speak with är. Greiman during the recess?"

"I spoke with Mr. Cullerton. dr. Greiman was busy. If you want to hold it until I speak to Ar. Greigan, be glad to."

"NO. no, do we have a resolution to the question? Are you prepared to proceed?"

"Yes, we have a resolution to the question."

"Okay, fine, sc, Mr. Kirkland, why don't you explain your Amendment again."

"Okay. The resolution to the question on whether GO bonds are involved is that they are not involved and that I misstated the situation. This Bill, with the exception of one paragraph which with our analysis makes nc difference, paragraph Mr. Cullerton indicated that he didn't see that in another... in the other Bills. The drafting is the same as the cther civic center authorities, involves revenue bonds only, application for grant money and so forth. And asks for passage of this."

"So, Mr. Kirkland moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Greiman."

"Yes, I have the same position on this, Mr. Speaker, as I did on Bepresentative Barnes Bill... cr Amendment."

"Fine. So, those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment will signify by voting 'aye... for what purpose... and those opposed to the Amendment will vote no. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 32  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 22 "ayes', 10 BOS". The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Kirkland."

"Mr. Kirkland, Amendment #4."

"Table that Amendment... or withdraw it. Withdraw it."

"Gentleman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #4. Is there leave? Leave is granted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Karpiel - Wojcik."

"Representative Karpiel. Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I don't believe that Amendment has been printed."

"Page tells the Chair that the Amendment has been distributed and printed. Representative Karpiel on Amendment #5."

"Amendment #5 is an Amendment which would provide for a civic center to be created in Schaumburg, Illinois. Schaumburg is a fast-growing community in northwestern Cook County. It's probably going tc end up being the second largest city in the state fairly scan, and they are looking to build a civic center. And I'd appreciate your "aye' vote."

"Representative Pullen."

"Question, please."

"The Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"Is Schaumburg the home of Donald Totten?"

"Karpiel. Karpiel."

"No, it is not."

"It's only his township. Okay, thank you."

"Representative Karpiel soves for the adoption of Amendment #5. The Chair recognizes Mr. Greiman." 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 "Well, Mr. Speaker, if this Amendment is going to get Ms. Pullen for this Bill, I'm excited about it. I'm going to just have the same position and just... I'm going to vote 'present', but let the House decide what it wants to."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 25 'ayes', 16 'nos'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2740, Mr. Giorgi. Is Mr. Giorgi in the chamber? Mr. Giorgi. House Bill 2753, Mr. Terzich. Is Mr. Terzich in the chamber? Mr. Terzich. House Bill 2762, Mr. Mautino. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2769, Mr. Brummer. Is Mr. Brummer in the chamber? House Bill 2812, Mr. Hoffman. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2818, Mr. Ropp. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2818, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Boiler and Pressure Vessel Safety Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2836, Mr. Panayotovich. Is Mr. Panayotovich in the chamber? House Bill 2857, Mr. McMaster. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2857, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Township Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None." 34  115th Legislative Day

STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 8, 1984 "Third Reading. House Bill 2859, Mr. Homer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2859, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Physical Fitness Service Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2939, Mr. Homer. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call this Bill. House Bill 2950, Mr. Brummer. Is Mr. Brummer in the chamber? House Bill 2951, Mr. Steczo. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2960, Representative Alexander. Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 3031, Representative Currie. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3031, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3033, Mr. Yourell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3033, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Yourell, amends House Bill 3033 on page one."

"Mr. Yourell."

"Mr. Speaker, I think that Amendment #1 was adopted."

"Mr. Clerk, has that Amendment been adopted? The Clerk indicates the Amendment has not yet been adopted. Mr. Yourell." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEБАТЕ 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984

"Amendment #1, Mr. Speaker, is a... an Amendment that is clarifying in language in 8, 9 and 10... Sections 8, 9 and 10 of the Bill. It just conforms to the original Fill with clarifying language. I move the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 3033."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye", those opposed say "no". The ayes have it. The Avendment is adopted. Are there further Amendsents?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Yourell."

"Mr. Yourell."

"Thank you. Amendment #2 amends Amendment #1 on page two of Amendment #2 showing... clarifying on line 29 and 30 and this Amendment was suggested by the bepublican election staff to clarify the language, a statement of economic interest has been filed within the tine provided'. I ЭЛОВ the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 3033."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say "no". The ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3034, Mr. Greiman. Do you wish to call your Bill? Is Mr. Greisan in the chamber? Forest preserve districts in certain counties. Mr. Greiman, it's an Act relating to forest preserve districts in certain counties. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call that Eil1. House Eill 3035, Er. Greiman. County law libraries. MI- Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Fill 3035, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to the establishment, maintenance and operation of county law libraries. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Arendsents."

"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"

"NODE. 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984

"Third Reading. House Bill 3046, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3046, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3050, Mr. Flinn. On page 21 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 2836, Mr. Panayotovich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2836, a Bill for an Act giving preference on public work projects to Illinois citizens. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there a Motion?"

"No Motion filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends House Bill 2836..."

"Mr. Cullerton, on Amendment #2. Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, this Amendment adds a mental state..."

"For what purpose does Mr. Piel seek recognition?"

"Question if this has been printed and distributed?"

"Page indicates that this Amendment has not yet been printed and distributed. Mr. Clerk, when was the Amendment filed? Mr. Panayotovich, I'm told that the Amendment was just filed today; therefore, the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading until the Amendment is printed and distributed. Page 22 of the Calendar, Mr. Flinn. Do you wish to call House Bill 3050? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 "House Bill 3050, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to the rate of interest and other charges in connection with sales on credit and the lending of money. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3052, Representative Braun. Is Representative Braun in the chamber? House Bill 3055, Mr. Flinn. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 3057, Mr. Curran. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Curran, there has been filed a request for a fiscal note; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading to permit the filing of the fiscal note. House Bill 3070, Mr. Flinn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3070, a Bill for an Act in relation to the rate of interest. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. On page 22 of the Calendar, House Bill 3033. Mr. Clerk. What is the status of Amendment #1 to that Bill? House Bill 3033. It was considered previously, today. What is the status of Amendment #1? On the floor? Amendment #1 was adopted on the floor. Mr. Yourell."

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to return House Bill 3033 to Second Reading, for purpose of tabling an Amendment."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. This Bill shall be placed on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Yourell." 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CREATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984

"Mr. Speaker, I now move to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 3033. That's taken care of in Amendment #2. We've adopted Arendment #2, and that should satisfy the Eill."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative, I believe by adopting Amendment #2, we did that. Did we not? Didn't Amendment #2 in effect table Amendment #12"

"I don't know. I've been advised ty staff that the proper procedure, since Amendment #1 was adopted by a House vote and it is a Ploor Amendment, that the safest way to... course to pursue, is to table Amendment #1."

"Well, I had no problem with that. Eut, I think adopting Amendment #2 achieved the same affect."

"The Chair would suggest that Mr. Vinson, Mr. Cullerton and Mr. Yourell meet, and we can come back to the Bill if necessary. The Bill should remain on the Order of Second Reading. Page 22 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 3059. Mr. Hoffman. Is MI. Hoffman in the chamber? House Bill 3100, Mr. Tate. Is Mr. Tate in the chamber? House Bill 3130, Mr. Giorgi. Is Mr. Giorgi in the chamber? House Fill 3143, Mr. Kirkland. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. Bouse Bill 3148. Ετ. Kirkland indicates he does not wish to call his Fill. House Bill 3156, Mr. Hicks. Mr. Hicks, do you wish to call? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish tc call his Bill. House Bill 3201, Mr. Domico. Is Kr. Domico in the chamber? House Bill 3218, I. Greinan. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 3221, Br. Ecffman. Is Mr. Ecffman in the chamber? House Bill 3227, Mr. Turner. Is Mr. Turner in 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 the chamber? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 3240, Representative Currie. The Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 3246, Mr. Sonan. Is Mr. Ronan in the chamber? Page 23 of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate Calendar, there appears House Bill 2166, Mr. Hicks. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 2394, Mr. Steczo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2394, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Park District Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 2394, is an attempt to correct the Illinois Statutes as it relates to park districts and small municipalities. At the present time, there are two small municipalities in suburban Cook County that are encompassed within one park district. They would each like to have their own. Because of the current law that addresses that, it's a very, very cumbersome process. Both municipalities, in this respect, are in agreement. What House Bill 2394 allows these two municipalities to do is to have one detach, have referenda for the election of new park board commissioners and provides for divvying up of the property amongst the two. And, in that respect, it only relates to municipalities...municipality under five hundred. And there's a repealer clause effective January 1, 1987. I would be happy to answer any questions; and if none, I would appreciate the support of the House on House Bill 2394."

"Is there any discussion? The question is 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor will signify by 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day voting 'aye', May 8, 1984 all those opposed by voting 'no'. This is Third Reading. Final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', no one voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2521, Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2521, a Bill for an Act in relationship to interest rates on special assessments in certain sanitary districts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, House Bill 2521 increases the interest rate on special assessment for sanitary districts from six percent a year to nine percent a year or one hundred and five percent of the average municipal bond yield at the time of assessment, whichever is greater. This same change was made in the interest rates payable on municipal obligations in the 82nd General Assembly, and I urge the support of the General Assembly."

"Is there any discussion? Mr. Mautino."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"By this legislation, Representative Giorgi, the special assessments already in place, they would be increased by a minimum of three percent. Is that what your legislation does?"

"Yes. Yes."

"Ladies and Gentlemen. I'd like to speak to the legislation, Speaker. If I may, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Mautino."

"If, in fact, Mr. Giorgi is correct in his statement that this would increase the existing special assessment interest provisions, I then stand in opposition to his 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 legislation. I find it very difficult to explain to any taxpayer, whether that be an individual who is involved in curb and gutter or road improvements, sever improvements, that when in fact they went into the agreement it was a maximum of six percent or less and now by this legislation increasing it to the nine percent level or higher. I think that would be a very difficult position to explain to those individuals who already have been involved in the special assessment procedures. Therefore, I stand in opposition."

"Is there any further discussion? Er. Giorgi to close."

"MI. Speaker, you can't sell those special assessment bonds unless you increase the interest rate or people won't buy them. You won't get your special assessment projects completed. People need these projects, especially in the explcding areas in the suburbs and in the cities that are the main stay of Illinois growth. I urge support of this Eill."

"Mr. Vinson."

"I rise in support of Sepresentative Giorgi's Motion, Mr. Speaker. What is currently occurring in the law is that the value of the notes is being discounted to sub rosa achieve an increase in the interest rates. And by accomplishing... by doing what he proposes to accomplish, we just make the process more straightforward and open to review by the citizenry, by people who care abcut it. This will encourage these projects. It's a necessary change. It's recommended by bond counsel, and we ought to adopt the Bill. I would urge an 'aye vote."

"The question is, Shall this Fill pass?" Thcse in favor shall vote 'aye", those opposed shall vote no. Bave all voted who wish? Bave all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Gn 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 this question there are 88 "ayes", 17 voting "no". This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2567, Representative Younge. The Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 2668, Mr. John Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2668, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Dunn. Mr. Dunn. John Dunn. John Dunn. John Dunn. Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Having been called three times in open court, I rise in support of this fine legislation. This Bill simply takes care of a hole in the statutes. Sometimes when townships are doing a bridge construction, as you might expect doesn't happen to often, but once in a while, there's a surplus. There's no statutory authority regarding what to do with that surplus at this time. This permits it to be turned over to the road district with the consent of the county superintendent. The superintendents are for this. The township people are for this this. I know of no opposition and request a favorable Roll Call."

"Is there any discussion? The question is, "Shall this Bill pass?" Those in favor shall signify by voting "aye", those opposed by voting "no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 112 "ayes", no one voting "no". This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2797, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2797, a Bill for Act to amend the Uniform Limited Partnership Act. Third Reading of the Bill." 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"Mr. Cullerton." May 8, 1984

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill amends the Uniform Limited Partnership Act which was passed back in 1917. And when it did pass in that year, there was a requirement that all of the limited partners sign, in their Own signature, a...their certificates. This was at a time when limited partnerships contemplated very few partners. Icday's econcay, se have limited partnerships that have up tc forty-five thousand people. And so, it's very burdensque tc collect all of these signatures from the potential limited partners. So, in an effort to help facilitate the marketing of these limited partnerships and, at the same time, protecting the publics right to know who these limited partners are, this Bill would simply remove the requirement that the signatures be submitted and filed but still indicate that the nases would be filed. I'd be happy to answer any questions. I know of no opposition to the Pill, and I would appreciate your support."

House Speaker Madigan: "The question is, Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor... All those in favor shall signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no". Bave all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', one person voting "no". This Fill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Bill 2807, Mr. Homer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2807, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Hr. Matijevich. dr. Matijevich. Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen. House Bill 2807 is an administrative Bill which addresses itself to a problem that's arisen regarding the licensing for 44  STATE CF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 large interstate trucking firms. Under the Interstate Uniform Frorate Compact, a trucking agency is to submit an estimate of the proportion of miles that would be traveled in Illinois. Subsequent to the tise that the trucker pays that licensing fee, the Secretary of State audits those accounts to determine the actual number of miles traveled in Illinois. And often times, and most times, an adjustment is made necessary by virtue of that audit. Under existing statute, the fira has only six months from the date it pays that fee to file an application for a refund, where it's been detersined that there's been an overpayment. The problem is is that the audits are not even performed until many times one or two years after the date that the fee is paid which would make it impossible for the trucking firm to in effect receive that rebate. So, what this Bill does is simply say that the firm has twelve months after the audit by the Secretary of State tc file a claim for a refund. I knçs cf no opposition. The Bill was approved unanimously by the Transportation Committee, and I would respectfully urge your support."

"Representative Eoner Las moved for the passage of House Bill 2807. There teing no discussion, the question is, "Shall House Bill 2807 pass?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'nc". Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Cn this question, there are 111 "ayes", no "nays". And House Bill 2807, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2815, Representative Friedrich. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2815, a Bill for an Act tc amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Bepresentative Friedrich, on House Bill 2815." 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 "Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this Bill originated with the Legislative Audit Commission..."

"One moment. Wyvetter Younge, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's a Motion pending to take that off of Short Debate, and I'm jcined by my colleagues in asking that that Motion...that Bill be taken off the Short Debate."

"The Lady has asked that this be taken out of Short Debate. Is she joined by how many others? One, two, three, four, five. Alright, the Bill is now on Regular Debate Calendar. Proceed Representative Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, there's a request for a fiscal note."

"Too late. Well, it's got to be on Second Reading. I'm sorry. Froceed, Representative Friedrich."

"Well, in the first place, Mr. Speaker, there's no fiscal implication of this in the first place. So, I think that'd be out of order. The genesis of this Bill was with the Legislative Audit Commission. And to give you a little background, East St. Louis Community College is unique in Illinois in that it is totally paid for by state money. No local money is involved whatsoever. The other thing that's unique about it is that the board is not elected in the college district. It's appointed. And the third thing that's different about it, up to this point, under which... regarding to... this Bill would attempt to remedy that. Every other community college in the state is under the direction of the Community College Board. In this particular case, the East St. Louis Community College Board has the right to refuse to accept regulation by the State Community College Board. East St. Louis Community College has had a lot of problems. And I don't intend to get into all of those, unless Representative Younge really wants to 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 hang the linen li out to dry, in which case I'll be glad to give you the whole load. I would not think she'd want that, but if she does, we'll certainly be glad to accommodate her. But, all this Eill does is put the East St. Louis Community College under the complete jurisdiction of the rules and regulations of the State Community College Board, just as the community college toard in your district is. So, I'd appreciate your vote. I'd be glad to answer any questions."

"Representative Friedrich has moved for the passage of House Bill 2815. On that, the Lady from St. Clair, Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Sponsor a question."

"He indicates he will yield. Prcceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Friedrich, is it the intention of the Community College Ecard to make the State Community College a statewide board, and to take away local autonomy and to make this state community ccllege a statewide board? Is that the discussion?"

"It will be in the same...sare category as the Kaskaskia Community College in Centralia, and the one at Ren Lake, and the one anyplace else you want to name."

"Are those boards, the board menters appointed from the local district of Kaskaskia, et cetera."

"They are from the local district. And Fast St. Louis Community College Board would continue tc be from the district that's...the schcel district. This dces nat change that at all. If your confusing this with the Amendment we proposed last year, you haven't read the Amendment."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to speak to..."

"Proceed."

"The purpose of this Bill is to take away local autonomy 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 of the state community college and make it a statewide board. I believe that this is against the intent and purposes of the Community College Act, which is basically an idea where each community, each district, will have an opportunity to provide the kinds of courses and programs that will help the community. In talking with Members of the Senate, there is no question in my mind that this Bill is the first stage to take away the local governance of this community college. And for that reason, I ask you to vote 'no' on this Fill and defeat it."

"The Lady from Champaign, Бepresentative Satterthwaite."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question please?"

"Proceed."

"Representative Friedrich, can you tell Us bow long it has been that the East St. Louis College has been in this special category?"

"Ever since its creation, unfortunately."

"And that would be what, about..."

"Oh, ten years or more."

"Ten years or more."

"And during that time, they haven't even deen able to get a good handle cn their proferty or the students or anything else, unfortunately."

"Has there been an instance in which the local board refused to do what was suggested by the State Board?"

"Yes, there has been. And I would say again that the community college in your area is under he State Board, just like we're proposing to Fut the Rast St. Louis Community College under it."

"Is that an advisory capacity, however, in terms of..."

"They can provide rules and regulations, just as they 48  115th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 8, 1984 do for your college."

"They, I'm sorry, I'm having trouble because of all the noise on the House floor."

"This would put East St. Louis Community College, with respect to this State Community College Board, in the samе situation that the community colleges in your district are as SO far as rules and regulations of the State Community College Bcard. No more. No less."

"And there has...has... Eut you're saying that there is an authority that the State Board has over all community colleges."

"Except East St. Louis Community College."

"At this time." Friedrich; "At this time. That's all this Pill does."

"Well."

"I don't know why you'd want that to be any different than yours."

"I guess my confussion..."

"One interruption. One interruption. I am told the Mother of God School is here. That's from by district SO I do have to interrupt and... Hello there. I appreciate your being here, and enjoy your trip. Froceed, Helen."

"My local community college does have a locally elected board, however, and does have scue authority to act on its own."

"So... So will East St. Louis Community College. And the board, which will be over East St. Louis Community College, is from the district in which the college is located, completely within the district."

"So this does not eliminate the board."

"Not at all."

"It simply eliminates their veto power..." 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 115th Legislative Day

"That's all."

"...over state rules and regulations."

"That's right."

"Thank you."

May 8, 1984 "It will be in the sare situation as your own ccllege."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman fros Ссок, Беpresentative Woods Bowgan."

It Bowman: "Well, what interests me about the proposal is that the Gentleman pointed out three ways in which the East St. Louis Community College was different from other community college districts in the state and, yet, he proceeds to propose a remedy to only one of the three differences. seems to me that if the East St. Icuis Community College vere brought under the ICCE just as any other community college is, and we don't make the other changes, that they really will be the lost system and that the other easily gang up OD them. thorough or adeguate approach to the I think until we get a better approach to the problem that we ought to defeat this particular legislation." sheer of the community college community cclleges could very I don't think this is a very

Gentleman's concern. Speaker Matijevich: "The Gentleman frca Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in suffort of House Bill 2815. The Illinois Community College of Fast St. Louis has for about four or five years had a number of problems and have received a special operating route to go. And if anything to encourage you to vote green would be a letter that comes from the state's attorney in that county. And it has to do with misspent funds. The state's attorney the president of the has been given a case in which 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 community college in East St. Louis used FY '84 monies to pay FY '83 expenses. The state's attorney was asked to prosecute that, and the state's attorney has declined to prosecute the case. He did say that it was a very thorough investigation, and the Department of law Enforcement should be complimented on the thoroughness of the investigation. But, the second paragraph says, "I choose not tc proceed with any criminal charges in the matter, basing it mainly that the money was used for educational purposes even though it was taken out of the wrong year's acney, and the Lady did the wrong thing." And he goes on to say in the third paragraph, "another major reason", and 1 quote, 'for not chosing to proceed is that the history of the nisspent money at the state community college. The General Assembly of the State of Illinois has for years been aware of the fact that there are problems at the state community college. They have, however, chosen not to do much but threaten to reduce... threatened the reduction of monies appropriated to that institution.' It goes on to say, 'I think it is a serious matter that should be remedied. However, I think in light cf the history of the relationship between the college and the General Assembly, the problem is best handled legislatively or possibly through civil action.' The civil action has been taken to the office of the Attorney General to see if we can get the money back that was misspent this time. But the Bill simply makes this community college treated like every other community college and that that board does not have any special veto power over the guidelines and standards, rules and regulations, set up for all community colleges. Thus, this community college would be guided as all of the rest. I ask for your 'aye vote on the Bill. I believe it be a step in the right direction. It does not as the 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Representative from that district suggest or even allude to the fact that there would be a statewide board, which would be ludicrous because the board members probably wouldn't even be able to make the meetings. So therefore, I ask for your 'aye' vote on House Bill 2815."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane. James Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this legislation. The State Junior College has had a history of terrible audits over the past years. We've worked with them. The Audit Commission has set up a situation where we bring them in every three months to see how they're progressing on improvements. One of the things that we criticize the Junior College Board about was that they were not providing adequate supervision over the State Junior College. I think when you realize that every penny that's spent in this Junior College is state funds, that what the previous speaker mentioned is that we should be very, very conscious of the problem. It's all... All of the money is our money. There is no local real estate tax money going into the support of this institution. With the Bill... With the passage of the Bill before us, it will allow the Illinois Community College Board to send in their staff to work with the Junior College and, hopefully, solve some of the many, many problems that Junior College has. And I would ask for your support of the legislation."

"Representative Friedrich to close."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, as has been pointed out, this... Well, let me just go back a little. I think Representative Younge has felt from time to time that we wanted to abolish the college. I think East St. Louis above all the places in the state probably needs a junior college more than anybody else. The only problem is that we're concerned 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 that the way it's been operated over a long period of time. I have in my hand the most recent audit by Arthur Young and Company. I'm sure you would recognize that as being responsible. It is a deplorable audit. Even then after ten years, they have not been able to come up with a satisfactory inventory even of their equipment. From time to time, they couldn't tell you how many students were there, how many teachers were there. But we think there is still hope. But we would like to see them under the direction of the State Community College Board, just like the other colleges. And we think that is at least one hope of improving it. I'd appreciate your vote."

"The question is 'Shall House Bill 2815 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'nay'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 72 'ayes', 17 'nays', 15 answering 'present'. House Bill 2815, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Yourell. Are they ready to go back to that Bill? On the Order of Second Reading appears House Bill 3033. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have come to an agreement of the minds relative to what should happen to House Amendment #1 to...or Amendment #1 to House Bill 3033. I move now to table House Amendment #1 to House Bill 3033."

"The Gentleman moves to reconsider the vote by which Amendment #3 was adopted. Leave. And now he moves to table Amendment #1, and Amendment #1 is tabled. Are there further Amendments? He had leave to table Amendment #1. Further Amendments on 3033? No further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 8, 1984 115th Legislative Day

"Third Reading. Fe'll be at ease for one moment. On page 21 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2785. Is that on the Order of what... Jack, what?"

"Second Reading."

"It's on Second Reading. Are there any Amendments? Bead the Eill."

"House Bill 2785, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Attorney General. Second Reading of the Bill. Arendsents #1, 2, 3, 4 and S were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motiops?"

"No Motions filed."

"Further Amendments? Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #16, Golf, arends Ecuse Bill..."

"Representative Wolf on Arendment #6."

"Mr. Speaker, request leave of the House to withdraw Avenduent #6."

"Leave ta withdraw Amendment #6. The Amendment is withdrawn. Further Arendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, Mays."

"Representative Jeff Mays on Floor Amendment #7. That's the Adams County Agendaent. Bepresentative Mays."

"This 278... The board said 2766 having a little floor... What we're doing in here is...Adams County already has a regional office of sorts and with the thrust in Appropriations I Committee last Thursday to start line iteming out these things, that's what we wanted to do with ours, too. So, I move adoption."

"Representative Mays moved to adopt Amendment #7. All in favor say 'aye', opposed "nay'. Amendment #7 is adopted. Further Anendrents?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Richmond.." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 115th Legislative Day

May 8, 1984 "Eruce Richmond on Floor Amendment #8." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #8 to House Bill 2785, appropriates the sum of two hundred and twenty-nine thousand dollars for a regional office of the Attorney General in Jackson County. This is at the request of the Attorney General."

"Representative Richaand moves adopt Amendment #8. All in favor say "aye", opposed "nay", and Amendment #8 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #9, Bea."

"Jim Bea on Amendment #9."

"Amendment #9 would create a regional office in Franklin County, and I would move for its adoption."

"Representative Bea moves to adopt Amendment #9. All in favor say "aye", opposed "nay", and Amendment #9 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #10, Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz. The Gentleman from Cook."

"I would ask that Amendment #10 for the Job Service Office would be withdrawn."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #10. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #11, Pangle."

"Representative... The Gentleman from Kankakee. We've got one more spot left open. Representative Pangle."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that Amendment #11 to put a regional office for the Attorney General in the Kankakee area for a sum of two hundred and twenty-five...two hundred and twenty be adopted."

"The Gentleman... The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #11. All in favor say aye, opposed 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day 'nay', and Amendment #11 is adopted. "Floor Amendment #12, Wolf."

"The Gentleman... Amendment #12."

"Thank you, Mr. May 8, 1984 Further Amendments?" Representative Wolf on of Speaker. I move for the adoption Amendment #12 which establishes a regional office of the Attorney General's Office in Granite City."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #12. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #12 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Everybody else is out of luck. Do we have Agreed Resolutions? Giorgi ready? Alright."

"House Resolution...House Joint Resolution 144, Keane; 145, Ropp. House Resolutions 896, Madigan; 897, Keane; 898, Daniels - et al; 899, Matijevich; 900, Matijevich; 901, Matijevich; 902, DeJaegher; and 904, Brummer."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi, on the Agreed Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, Representative Keane's House Joint 144 notes a 60th anniversary; 145, by Bopp, honors an Eagle Scout. House Resolution 896, by Madigan, tells us of the Chicago International Art Exhibition from May the 10th to the 15th; 897, by Keane, announces a 50th wedding anniversary; 898, by Daniels, notifies House of Birkinbine's new...new further responsibilities with his new employer; 899, Matijevich, hails Fred Abdula's award; 900, by Matijevich, also notes an award; 901, by Matijevich, tells of a resignation; 902, by DeJaegher, heralds the Friendship Force in Quad Cities; and 904, by Brummer, congratulates the High School Girls Basketball 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 Team. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Bepresentative Giorgi has moved the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Representative Vinson, are you seeking recognition on the Agreed..."

"NO. After the Eesolution, I have an inquiry."

"Alright. All in favor say aye, cpposed 'nay, and the Agreed Resolution... ResclutioDS are adopted. Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 903, by Representative Brummer, with respect to the memory of Circuit Judge Frank G. Schnieder job."

"Representative Giorgi acves the adoption of the Death Fesolution. All in favor say 'aye", opposed *nay, and the Death Besolution is adopted. Representative

Vinson. Vinson: "Inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"On House Eill 2785..."

"Yes, Sir."

"...were both Amendments #6 and 12 adopted?" Speaker Matijevich: #e11 check for you. I think 6 was withdrawn. 12 vas adopted. 6 was withdrawn. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, for an announcement."

"The Appropriations I Committee will meet immediately after Session. We're scheduled from 3:00 to 6:00, or after Session in 114. Tomorrow morning and we have a reprieve it be 10:00 to 114, instead of 8:00. 10:00 in the morning, instead of 8:00. Thank you."

"There being ne further business, the Majority Leader, Jim NcFike, moves that the House do stand in adjournment until 12:00 noon tomorrow. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay". The House ages DCW stand in 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 115th Legislative Day May 8, 1984 adjournment, until 12:00 pm. tomorrow." 58  DOCUMENT NAME BEC STORE PRINT OPER GROUP D COMMAND DATE COPY WIDTH DEFTH ERROR T050884 28 0 Pj 09/12/64 1 66 78  09/11/84 09:50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 08, 1984 PAGE 1 HB-1063 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-1591 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-2141 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-2296 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-2307 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-2339 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-2341 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-2341 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 13 HB-2372 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-2373 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-2394 THIRD READING PAGE 40 HB-2400 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-2425 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-2441 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-2441 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 23 HB-2451 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-2473 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-2477 SECOND READING PAGE 2 HB-2516 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-2521 THIRD READING PAGE 41 HB-2546 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2547 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2549 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2549 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 3 HB-2568 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-2592 SECOND READING PAGE 25 HB-2629 SECOND READING PAGE 26 HB-2629 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 26 HB-2632 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-2651 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-2668 THIRD READING PAGE 43 HB-2731 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-2732 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-2732 SECOND READING PAGE 32 HB-2732 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 31 HB-2734 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-2785 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-2785 SECOND READING PAGE 54 HB-2785 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 6 HB-2786 SECOND READING PAGE 6 HB-2797 THIRD READING PAGE 43 HB-2807 THIRD READING PAGE 44 HB-2815 THIRD READING PAGE 45 HB-2818 SECOND READING PAGE 34 HB-2830 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-2836 SECOND READING PAGE 37 HB-2836 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 37 HB-2857 SECOND READING PAGE 34 HB-2859 SECOND READING PAGE 35 HB-2953 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-3031 SECOND READING PAGE 35 HB-3033 SECOND READING PAGE 35 HB-3033 SECOND READING PAGE 53 HB-3033 RECALLED PAGE 38 HB-3035 SECOND READING PAGE 36 HB-3046 SECOND READING PAGE 37 HB-3050 SECOND READING PAGE 37 HB-3059 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-3070 SECOND READING PAGE 38 HB-3136 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3150 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3213 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3219 SECOND READING PAGE 10  09/11/84 09:50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 08, 1984 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER MADIGAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND FOREST BAGOOD PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 RECESS PAGE 31 HOUSE RECONVENES - SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR PAGE 31 REPRESENTATIVE MATIJEVICH IN CHAIR PAGE 45 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 56 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 57 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 57 PAGE 2