"The House will come to order. Members will be in their seats. Chaplain for today will be Father Anthony Tzortozis, Pastor Saint Anthony's Church in Springfield, Illinois. Father Izortozis is a guest of Representative Steve Nash."
"Christ has risen from the dead by death... upon death and has bestowed life to those in their tombs. Let us, who have beheld the resurrection of Christ, worship our Holy Lord Jesus, who is alone without sin. We worship Thy Cross, Oh Christ, and praise and glorify Thy holy resurrection. For Thou art our God, and we know none other beside Thee. And we call upon Thy name. Come all you faithful. Let us worship Christ's holy resurrection. For behold, through the cross, joys come to the whole world. We praise His resurrection and forever glorify the Lord. He endured the cross for us, and by death, destroyed death. Amen."
"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. 109 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Greiman."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Rhem and Representative Younge are excused today?"
"Yes. Representative Piel."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would let the record show that Representative Hoffman is excused today, please?" 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Yes, the record Representative fiel."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, May 10, 1984 will SO indicate. would the record also show that Representative Klemm is excused alsc?"
"Bepresentative Kleum. Resolutions."
"House Resolution 918, Mulcahey."
"Representative Matijevich." Yes.
Agreed Matijevich: "Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 918, Hulcahey, congratulates the Village of Millageville cn its one hundred and fiftieth anniversary. In joining with that tribute, I move the adoption of House Resolution 918."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Resolution 918. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no' The 'ayes' have it. The Resclution is adopted. The Adjournment Resolution. Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk."
"House Joint Besolution 146. Resolved, by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly cf the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein, that when the House of Representatives adjourns on Thursday, May 10, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 15, 1984, at the hour of 12:30 p.m. And when the Senate adjcurns on Thursday, May 10, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 15, 1984, at the hour of 1:00 p.."
"Representative Greiman."
"Mr. Speaker, I move for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 146."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 146. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes have it. The Resolution is adopted. Representative Vinson." 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Mr. Speaker, on Hembers' desks this morning, we got literature passed out again."
"Who did it?"
"I don't know who did it, but it's a violation of the rules. And I'd like you to look into that and make sure it doesn't happen again."
"Mr. Clerk, do you have any idea who passed out that material and violated our rules? Mr. Vinson, we'll investigate this. Page three of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading, Short Debate appears House Bill 968, Representative Stuffle. The Gentleman does not wish to have his Bill called. House Bill 1546, Representative Jaffe. Out of the record. House Eill 1726, there's a fiscal note requested, and it has not been filed. Out of the record. House Bill 2481, Representative Nautino. Representative Mautino on the floor? Cut of the record. House Bill 2582, Representative Capparelli. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2582, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act to create Labor law... to create the Labor Law Revisory Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2681, Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson would you like to have the Bill called?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker."
"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2681, a Bill for an Act concerning the provision of notes on legislative...on legislation authorizing the conveyance or lease of real estate owned by the state. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 117th Legislative Day Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Vinson, amends House Bill..."
"Representative Vinson, on Amendment #1."
"уг. Speaker, has the Amendment teen Frinted and distributed?"
"No, it has not. Representative Cullerton."
"Would Representative Vinson be interested in recommiting this Bill back to Committee at this time?"
"Veluntarily?"
"Voluntarily, since this Amendment doesn't appear to be ready, and since the Bill is obviously in poor shape at this point. Ferhaps if we sent it back to Committee and had it studied, we can get it into shape and bring it back out on the floor at the appropriate time."
"Representative Vinson."
"NO. I'm afraid the Committee would be chaired by Representative Van Duyne, so I decline."
"2681, out of the record. House Bil1 2702, Representative Nash. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove the... Out of the reccrd. Fouse Bill 2738, Representative Richmond. Out of the record. House Bill 2761, Representative Eving. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Ουτ of the record. Fouse Bill 2783, Representative Yourell. The Gentleman is nct in the chamber. Out of the record. Representative Yourell. Representative Capparelli, would you like to call the Bill? Yeah. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. House Fill 2783."
"House Bill 2783, a Pill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill.
No Committee Arendments. Speaker McPike: "Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Yourell, amends House Bill 4 May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 2783 on page three, line five by inserting after *persons' the following: 'other than the tax deed guarantee (sic grantee) and its successors in title.""
"Well, the Gentleman is not on the floor, and its been requested to take this out of the record. Cut of the record. House Bill 2810, Bepresentative Deuchler. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2810, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Township Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2811, Representative Deuchler. Cut of the record. House Bill 2856, Representative Winchester. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Cut of the record. Eouse Fill 2858, Representative Homer. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Out of the record. House Bill 2892, there's a fiscal note requested. None has been filed. Out of the record. House Bill 2905, Representative Deuchler. Is the Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. Rouse Bill 2911, Representative Eyder. Gut of the reccră. Beguest cf the Sponsor. House Bill 2924, Representative Farley. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 2962, a fiscal note has been requested and ncne is filed. Out of the record. House Bill 3026, Representative Terzich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3026, a Pill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Fension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Notions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?" 5 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984
"Floor Amendment #2, Terzich, amends House Bill 3026."
"Representative Terzich, Amendment #2."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this is the recodification Bill that we've been working on for a couple of years. Amendment #2 is simply, and 3 also, are technical changes that were referred by the Legislative Reference Bureau."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being none. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Terzich."
"Representative Terzich."
"Again, Amendment #3 is another technical Amendment referred by the Legislative Reference Bureau, and I'd move its adoption."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? On that, the Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, would the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"Indicates he will."
"Representative, my hearing isn't too good this early in the morning, and I wonder if you could speak up a little bit more on that Amendment."
"Certainly. I said all it is is a technical Amendment, which was referred by the Legislative Reference Bureau. And it just changed a couple of words in the Bill. That's all. There's no substitute change, just technical change."
"Thank you."
"Being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 signify by saying 'aye", opposed no. The 'ayes' bave it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Abendments?"
"No further Arendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3091, Representative Byder. There is a request for leave to keep House Bill 3026 which was just amended on Short Delate. Hearing BG objections, leave is granted. House Bill 3026 Third Reading, Short Debate. House Bill 3091, Out of the record. House Bill 3106, Bepresentative Hoffman. Representative Hoffman GD the floor? It's an excused absence. Out of the record. House Bill 3125, Representative Karpiel. Bead the Eill, Er. Clerk."
"House Bill 3125, a Bill for an Act in relation to missing persons and the time and manner in which missing persons investigations are to be conducted. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Deuchler has returned to the floor. House Fill 2811. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2811, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Agendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3127, Representative Hannig. Out of the record. Request of the Sponsor. House Bill 3140, Representative Kirkland. Read the Bill, Er.
Clerk. Clerk O'Brien: "House Bill 3140, a Bill for an Act to authorize 7 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 units of local government and school districts to issue tax exempt interest bearing commercial papers. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"
"I was under the impression that the... No, I understood that he was going to hold this on Second, but it's okay. He wish to proceed with it."
"What is your request? No request? Representative... Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Ewing, amends House Bill 3140."
"Representative Ewing, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 is an addition to the statute to try and clear up an area dealing with probate law and handling of special use elections for small business. Under the current federal regulations, the IRS says that local law controls in regard to who can make that election for a minor. This legislation merely says that a parent, without being appointed official guardian, can make that election for the minor. The Bill is supported by the Far Association, by the Farm Bureau and by other organizations in Illinois."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. And on that, Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I have no particular objection to the Amendment, but I think he should find another vehicle for this Amendment, because I don't believe the Amendment is germane to the Bill, and it may cause him single subject problems so that I would question the germaneness of the 8 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day Amendment."
"Representative Ewing, the Farliamentarian will give you a ruling."
"On behalf of the Speaker, the Amendment is out of order because it violates the single subject rules of the Constitution. The Fill deals with the commercial paper, while the Amendment deals with being able to sign a power of attorney in appearances before the Internal Revenue Service."
"Amendment is out of order. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Representative Kirkland did you want to move this to Third Beading? Third Reading. Bouse Bill 3141, Bepresentative Kirkland. Cut of the record or... Out of the record. House Bill 3197, Representative Wait. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3197, a Fill for an Act to provide for the deferral of payment of special assessments on property of senior citizens and disabled persons. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Wait, amends House Bill 3197."
"The Gentleman from Boone, Representative Wait.”
"Yes. Amendment #1 adds the interest rate of six percent, and this was inadvertently left out of the Bill originally. It brings it into conformity with the deferuent taxes we placed on real estate taxes last year so then they'll both be the same."
"The Gentleman MOVES for the adoption of Amendment #1. Gentleman from Cock, Representative Cullerton."
"I don't happen to have a copy of it. I just wondered 9 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFIION DEBATE May 10, 1984 first of all if it was distributed."
"Yes, it has been."
"Yes. Ckay. Fine. Thank you very much."
"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed "no. The ayes have, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"The Gentleman asks leave for the Bill to remain on the Order of Short Debate. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 3197 Third Reading, Short Debate. House Bills Second Beading, page five of the Calendar, .appears House Bill 15. Bepresentative C'Connell. Is the Gentleman on the floor? Out of the record. Rouse Bill 239, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Hr. Clerk."
"House Bill 239, a Bill fcr an Act relating to establishment of small business assistance centers. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #7 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Tuerk, asends House Bill 239 as amended."
"Amendment #2, Bepresentative Tuerk."
"Mr. Speaker, Members of the Bouse, since this Bill applies to small business, it was my feeling that this might be an appropriate time to add this Amendment which asks the Department of... well, it's DCCA with the... in conjunction with the Illlinois Department of Labor to cooperate in a economic impact study cf workers* compensation unemployment insurance cost to small business. 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 This has been one of those tried and true problems throughout the state for the past ten years. We've never really gotten handles on what impact these costs have had on small businesses. And this Amendment is asking both Departments to cooperate in some sort of a survey and study to determine what the costs have been and the impact and come back to the General Assembly with some specific recommendation for legislative and/or administrative action to address the problem. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Representative Mautino, on the Amendment."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment is laudable, but I do stand in opposition. Fred, the reason I stand in opposition is that it addresses another question, the workers' compensation subject matter that was not agreed to when we sent the two Bills out. For the record, Mr. Speaker, we sent out House Bill 2481 and House Bill 239 to be used as vehicles for the recommendations of the Conference on Small Business, which will be held the 15th and 16th. That was the agreement that we had with Mr. Vinson on his questions yesterday on the Bill. I would stand in opposition to the Amendment. I believe it's out of... it's not germane to the original concept of the Bill, and I would like to have a ruling on that, with the understanding that those Bills will be used for the recommendations of the Conference on Small Business as opposed to any other Amendment provisions."
"Is the Gentleman questioning the germaneness of the Amendment?"
"Yes."
"We will have the Parliamentarian take a look at that. Representative Vinson." 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Well, May 10, 1984 Speaker, the Gentleman has introduced legislation to try to enhance the purpose of small business throughout the state. Now, he says that he's using the Bill as a vehicle Bill for a series of things designed to improve the small business climate throughout the state. The Amendment simply directs a study designed to try to get information which would have the purpose of improving the climate for small business throughout the state. It's quite clearly germane, and I'd ask the Parliamentarian and you to so rule."
"Representative Mautino, on the question of germaneness, the Parliamentarian will give you an answer."
"On behalf of the Speaker, the Amendment is not germane. The Bill deals with the definition of small business while the Amendment directs a Department of Labor or the Economic and Fiscal Commission to conduct a study under workmans' compensation and unemployment compensation."
"The Amendment is not germane. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 243, Representative Saltsman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 243, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 315, Representative Yourell. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Cut of the record. House Bill 328, Representative Hallock. A state 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF GEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 mandates fiscal note reguest...is requested, and none has been filed. Out of the record. Do you want to call the Bill? Representative Hallock? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 328, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Didrickson, amends House Fill..."
"Representative Didrickson, Auendment #2."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, Amendment #2 seeks to change the language, the wandating language, in House Bill 328 for 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 63RD GENBEAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCHIPTION LEBATE May 10, 1984 that we do a study of those programs and requires that the State Board of Education report back to us in three years."
"Well, as I understand, the Bill itself... The Bill itself mandates it. Bight?"
"That's correct."
"Gur file indicates that that the potential cost of the Bill before your Amendment would be somewhere between twenty-four and thirty-six million dollars."
"That's correct. That's why I'm offering this Amendment at this time.."
"I see, and that's acceptable to the SpoDSOIS. Fine. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock, on the Amendment."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I would accept the Amendment."
"Any further discussion? Feing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no". The 'ayes' have it. The Amendrent is adopted. Representative Ballock, the Bill still remains cn Second Reading. Representative Ballock."
"I have spoken to the people from the State Board of Education, who are the ones charged with the responsibility of filing the fiscal note. They at first were unable to ascertain the potential cost. But now as amended, there really will be no cost. So I believe they probably will not be filing a fiscal note, and I would ask that this be Loved to Third Reading."
"Well, there is a request for a fiscal note as amended filed. So, it will have tc be answered by the appropriate agency."
"Bight. Well, then we will have them file that, but 14 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEВАТЕ there will probably be no indication of cost." May 10, 1984
"Thank you. The Bill remains on Second Beading. House Bill 338, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 338, a Bill for an Act in relation to pensions. Second Reading of the Bill. and 3 were adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Lotions filed." Amendrents #1,
2 Speaker MCPike: "Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Stuffle
"MI Neff." "Representative Stuffle, on Amendment #4." Speaker, Members of the House, Representative Neff and I offer Amendment #4 which is a technical Amendment that incorporates the prior three Avendments and changes dates. It's totally technical in nature, and I offer the Arendment for adoption." of
"The Gentleman MOVES for the adoption Amendment #4. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying aye, opposed "no". The ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" "No further Amendments."
Speaker McPike: for a fiscal remains... "Representative Stuffle, there is still a request note, and none has been filed, so the Bill and a pension impact ncte... as amended. Requested. None is filed, sc it remains on Second Beading. House Bill 704. Cut of the record. House Fil1 713, Representative Fierce. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 713, a Fill for an Act relating interest on judgment." to
"Excuse, Mr. Clerk, aut cf the record. The request of the Sponsor. House Bill 809, Bepresentative 15 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 Greiman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 809, a Fill for an Act to provide family counseling services through circuit courts. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"A Motion to table Amendment #1 by Representative... The Amendment is in improper form."
"Is there a Motion to table?"
"Yes."
"Ey who? By Representative Greiman."
Representative Greiman. Greiman: "Yes, there was a drafting error in Amendment #1. And we have Amendment #2 that's filed that is substan... essentially the save Amendment but clears up the drafting error. So, I would ask that we table Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."
"Yes. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"Yes."
"Who is the Sponsor of Amendment #1?"
"I am. I think I am. I'm pretty sure I am."
"Do you... Your moving to table your own Amendment?"
"That's right, Sam."
"What was the reason?"
"Sam, there's an error in drafting in Amendment #1. It struck the enacting clause by error. So that we are moving then to table Amendment #1, and table... Amendment #2 is coming right up."
"You say Amendment #1 struck the enacting clause?"
"Well it struck some line, part of it... which was part of it."
"Who drafted Amendment #1? The Reference Bureau?" 16 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"I don't know who did. It's probably not important. I suppose they did. It's probably not important."
"That is something they we really cught to admonish them on, I think. Striking the enacting clause is a particularly bad mistake in draftsmanship, and I would rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion."
"Thank you."
"The Motion is to table Arendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed "no". The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Greiman."
"Representative Greiman, Amendment #2."
"Amendment #2 is the same Arendment. It just takes care of the deletion that was made in Avenament #1."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Being no discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in faver signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Bouse Eill 1004. Out of the record. House Fill 1210, Representative LeFloΓΕ. Cut cf the record. House Bill 1211. Out of the record. House Bill 1216, Representative McAuliffe. The Gentleman on the floor? Out of the record. House fill 1302, Беpresentative Hannig. Cut of the record. Ecuse Bill 1335, Representative Brummer. Representative Brummer, do you wish to have your our Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1335, a Bill for an Act concerning real estate and real estate trokers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"NODE." 17 STATE OF IILINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Third Beading. House Bill 1348, Representative Brummer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 1348, a Eill for an Act in relation to the occupation and use taxes and certain machinery and equipment. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Bepresentative Breslin, in the Chair."
"House Bill 1395. ΑΣΕ there any Amendments filed? Бepresentative Keane. Read the Fill."
"House Bill 1395, a Bill for an Act in relation to property tax levy collection of payment in all counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Fepresentative Keane."
"I think there's been a request for a fiscal note filed CD that, and I haven't seen a fiscal note yet. 111 just leave it on Second Reading."
"The note has not been filed. You'd like to leave this Fill on Second Reading?"
"γες."
"Very good. Bepresentative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"
"At the suggestion of Representative Cullerton, I would ask that we would waive the rules, Rule 65(t) while the present Speaker is in the Chair."
"Does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing no 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day objection, the Gentleman has leave. Out of the record. Bepresentative Levin. May 10, 1984 House Bill 1535, House Bill 1556, Representative Zwick. Representative Cklinger. record. House Bill 1563, Representative Out of the McGann. Bepresentative McGann. Call the Eill."
"House Bill 1563, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any further Arendrents?"
"No Motions on Amendment #1. Floor Amendment #2, McGann, amends House Bill 1563 with reference to the page and line numbers of Amendment 1 and sc forth."
"Representative McGann. Representative McGann."
"Thank you. Nadam Speaker. It is just a technical Amendment, and I'd ask its adoption."
"Is there any discussion on Amendment #2? There being no discussion. All those in favor say 'aye', all the opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Are there any further Arendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading.. House Bill 1573, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill."
"House Bill 1573, a Eill for at Act in relation to ownership of agricultural land by certain corporations.
Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Speaker Breslin: "Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Beading. There is a Floor Amendment.. Excuse me. Με. Clerk, would you check again? It's a Committee Amendment. So there's only teen ΟΠΕ Amendment filed. Is that correct, Representative Stuffle? That is correct. Third Reading."
"Avendrent #7 was adopted previously in 19 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day Committee." May 10, 1984
"In Committee. Very good. Third Reading. House Bill 1658, Representative Braun. Cut of the record. House Bill 1663, Representative Currie. Cut of the record. House Bill 1742, Representative Levin. Representative Levin. Out of the record. Bouse Bill 1800, Representative Homer. Representative Homer. Representative Homer, House Bill 1800. Cut of the record. Fouse Bill 1859, Representative Braun. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 1859, a Bill fcr an Act to add Sections to the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any further Auendnents?"
"No Motions, and no further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2040, Беpresentative Younge. Out of the record. • icuse Bill 2192, Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2192, a Fill for an Act to add Sections to the Revenue Act. Second Esading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Beading. House Bill 2208, Беpresentative Younge. Out of the record. Ecuse Bill 2211, Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman, on House Bill 2211. Gut of the record. Fouse Bill 2213, Representative Alexander. Out of the record. House Bill 2215, Representative Bowman. Bepresentative Ecwman. There is a State Mandates Act and a fiscal ncte request, and none have been filed. Do you wish the Eill cut of the record? Out of the record. House Eill 2278, Bepresentative Huff. Bepresentative Huff. Out of the record. House Bill 2279, Representative Greiman. Out of the record. House Bill 20 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 2299, Representative McPike. House Bill 2299. Out of the record. House Bill 2321, Representative Topinka. Out of the record. House Bill 2323, Representative Eraun. Representative Braun, House Bill 2323. Clerk, read the... Out of the record. House Bill 2334, Representative Madigan. Out of the record. House Bill 2341, Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan. Out of the record. House Bill 2342, Representative Ronan. Out of the record. House Bill 2347, Representative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2347, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Herrin and Mount Vernca Civic Center Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Clerk, read the... Third Reading. House Bill 2350, Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2350, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Floor Amendments filed?"
"No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, Vinson, amends House Bill 2350 as amended in the title and in Section 1, and so forth."
"Representative Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, last June, early July, at the time of the state fiscal decisions that we made, one of the decisions made was a Conference Committee Report which I had the dubious distinction of carrying. That Conference Committee Report sought to control public aid costs during this fiscal year so that we could live within our means, so that we would not have to have any greater or any longer tax increase than this Assembly adopted. That effort to 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 control public aid costs embraced two things. Number one, it enacted certain restrictions cn certain classes of public aid recipients for how much could be paid for hospital stays for those recipients, a total lid of five hundred dollars. And, number two, that Conference Committee Report denied to nursing homes of the State of Illinois rate increases, which had previously been enacted into law, which were part of existing statute at that time. Rate increases which would have taken effect in the current fiscal year. We felt that it was necessary, nc matter how unfortunate the situation might be, that we adopt those rigio controls on both hospitals and nursing homes for the purpose of making it possible for the state to live within its means and so that the state would act have to get any deeper into the taxpayers pockets. Now, the underlying Bill here that we're dealing with will correct that situation as regards those classes of recipients who are getting hospital reimbursement so that that five hundred dollar cap on hospital reimbursement will be removed. intention is very simple. It is just simply to say that if we are now in a position where we can rεπονε that lid as regards hospitals, WE can unda the ĉamage we did to the other class of providers in that Conference Committee Report, nursing homes. And I'm simply asking for eguity, so that we're dealing with all providers in the save fashion. And I would move the adoption of Amendment #2, because there is some improvement in the state fiscal situation and because if we're going to deal with hospitals in this fashion, we ought to deal equitably with nursing homes. Many patients reside in nursing homes, and unless ve can provide adeguate reimburserent for those patients, then they are not going to get the kind of care they might otherwise get. And I think that if we're going to do what 22 STATE CE ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEPATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 we can for the senior citizens of this state, if we're going to guarantee them an adeguate level of care so that they are not being maltreated, mistreated and abused, we ought to provide adequate reimbursement for those homes. And for those reasons, I would MOVE the adoption of Amendment #2 and assume that there would be nc substantial controversy on the subject."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2350. And on that question, is there any discussion? Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. A question of the Sponsor please?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a question."
"Representative Vinson, how much will this Amendment add to the fiscal '85 budget?"
"I don't know, but we can get a fiscal note on it."
"Pardon me?"
"I don't know."
"You've no idea what the cost of this would be?"
"No, I don't know."
"May I ask, Representative Vinson, whether these dollars are in the Governor's proposed budget for fiscal '85?"
"I doubt they are."
"To the Amendment, Madam Speaker, I aduire the Gentleman's concern for the poor and needy of the state. I would point out first of all that Amendment #2 does not create parity in House Bill 2350 tetween general assistance recipients and hospital caps and nursing home reimbursement issues. Representative Vinson was quite brave last year when he sponscred a measure that did a disservice to nursing home residents and to general assistance recipients. But, I think it's surprising to find that he's reneging this year on a commitment he made for the present 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 budget year. House Bill 2350 does nct... retroactive in nature. It does not, the underlying proposal, make up for dollars we didn't spend for hospitals that serve general assistance recipients during this present fiscal year. The point of Amendment #2 is to say that we will go back, undo the budgetary decisions, compromises we were forced to make last year. We'll undo that, and we'll add new dcllars next year for things we already agreed we couldn't afford to fund in the present year. His Amendment does not seek to add parity. It does unfortunately seek to break the budget. And I am surprised that someone we've all Icoked to as a model of fiscal conservatism, somebody who has shown great respect for the taxpayers of the State cf Illinois, would try to take a proposal like House Bill 2350, one in line with the Governor's statements, with the Governor's priorities, with the Department of Public Aid's priorities, with the priorities of the administratico, this administration, that cares about the poor and the needy and would try to add dollars that the people of the state just plain cannot afford to spend. I'm sorry to have to oppose Avendment #2 to House Bil1 2350. As I say, I admire the Sponsor's intentions. But I think that as a...as a fiscal conservative myself, I just plain can't support this budget breaking proposal."
"The Gentleman from Cock, Representative Eowman."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, first I would question the germaneness of this Amendment to the Eill, and if you rule it is germane, than I would like to speak to the Avendment. First, I think we have to establish whether this is germane. I think the Lady has some very good points that lead me to conclude it is not germane."
"The Farliamentarian will investigate your 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day question. Bowman: May 10, 1984 On this question is there any further discussion while we are looking at the Fill? Representative Bowman." "Well, I do... I do wish, if it is germane, then I wish to speak to the Amendment... And... Or... Did I understand that you were going to continue the debate while your..."
"Yes, that's correct."
"Okay. Then do you mind if I speak to it at this point?"
"Excuse ше. The Farliamentarian has indicated Bowman: that the Amendment is germane, Representative Bowman, so proceed on the Fill." "Okay. Well, thank you. First of all, I just would like to remind everybody that this Amendment is particularly out of character for the Gentleman from the other side of the aisle, who always seems to be so concerned about protecting the budget, and yet he... and he files requests for fiscal notes all over the place, some timely, some not so timely. But here be can tell us not at all what this particular proposal will cost. Furthermore, I think it is important to...to remind everybody that WE are undergoing considerable revision of the Nursing Home Reform Act of 1979 at this point. Negotiations are currently in progress with...between legislative leaders and the nursing home industry. And, I think this Agendrent, as well intention as it may be, is entirely premature. That we won't know what we've got to reimburse until that legislation is firmed up and has passed both chambers. I think this is certainly something that we could deal with in a...either in a Conference Committee of an Amendment to a Senate Bill at a later point, but this is entirely premature because we have not concluded those negotiations with the nursing home industry. So, we don't even know what Te have to reimburse. So, I would urge rejection at this point in the hopes that we could come back to it at a later date." 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
Cullerton." May 10, 1984 "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative
"Yes, I also rise in opposition to Amendment #2. The crux of the Amendment is to provide more money but not tie it to reform. The Speaker has indicated that regulatory reform is a prerequisite to reimbursement reform. We also have the benefit of the Legislative Investigating Commission and an April 30 report on the regulation and funding of Illinois nursing homes, which also recommends improvements in the existing program that should be taken into consideration before we give any more money. So for that reason I would oppose the Amendment at this time."
"There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill... Representative Vinson to close. Excuse me."
"First of all, Madam Speaker, I request a Roll Call vote on this Amendment. Secondly, I want to indicate to the Members of this chamber what the previous Speaker has really said. The previous Speaker has said that this chamber ought to surrender its authority to make decisions over the payment, over the reform aspects, over the regulation of nursing homes in this state to the Speaker of the House. Now I don't know how many Illinois citizens voted for the Speaker of the House, but I know that they only did in one district. And each of you has a responsibility to your own constituents to make a decision on this matter. Now your constituents fall into several classes. One class of those constituents has somebody in a nursing home that they are paying for. And they are paying for those residents in that nursing home more money than they would otherwise have to pay if the State of Illinois fully reimbursed the nursing home for the patients it has in those nursing homes. We are enacting a tax increase, a 26 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Lay May 10, 1984 hidden tax increase, on private pay patients in nursing homes because we're underreimbursing those nursing homes. Now secondly, some of those citizens in your district are actually patients in nursing homes, and those patients in those nursing homes are not getting the kind of care they could get if the State of Illinois paid its fair share for the patients that we reimburse those nursing homes for. We could provide much better care for pecfle in nursing homes, but a first prerequisite is that State of Illinois pay its fair share on that subject. I supported the Nursing Home Reform Act in 1979, and I stand prepared to support further reforms in that area, as I think most of you do. There is nothing, nothing more despicable than a situation where a patient in a nursing home gets substandard care. But one of the primary causes of that substandard care is underreimbursement. Now, what we are dealing with here is a underlying Bill that seeks to raise the rate of reimbursement for hospitals. Well by gelly, we ought to at the same time we do that raise the rate of reimbursement for nursing home patients, because a lot more people are in nursing homes than are in hospitals, and already we're paying way above the national average fcr hospital patients and way below the national average for nursing home patients. Remember that Indiana, and Kentucky and Missouri all pay more for nursing home patients than Illinois does, substantially more. And we're suppose to be a rich state that has a social conscience. Well, where is that social conscience if we don't put our money where Our conscience is? And SO for those reasons, I rise in support of Amendment #2 and move its adoption."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2350 be adopted? All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is ofen. Representative 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 Bullock, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Mr. [sic - Madan] Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson is absolutely correct. Certainly those of us who serve on this side of the aisle speak with great compassion for the elderly. Yesterday, we sent out of this chamber legislation to benefit the elderly, those who are fiddle... who are fit. But, there are many of those who are not fit. Many of those live in my district who are turned away simply because they don't have the resources or the wherewithall to receive the kind of care that Representative Vinson espouses. I see we have the sufficient number of votes, and I'm proud to cast an 'aye' vote."
"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there S1 voting 'aye', 13 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Currie - Icpinka."
"Representative Currie. Representative Currie."
"May I take the Bill out of the record, please?"
"Out of the record. House Bill 2364, Representative Pangle. Representative Fangle. Out of the record. House Bill 2366, Representative Fanayotovich. Cut of the record. House Bill 2368, Representative Madigan. Out of the record. House Bill 2376, Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels. Cut of the record. House Bill 2386, Representative DiFrima. Out of the record. House Bill 2401, Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson, House Bill 2401. Out of the record. House Bill 2409, Representative Braun. Representative Braun. 2409. Representative Braun."
"Madam Speaker, Representative Vinson and I discussed the 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 fiscal note request on this Bill yesterday, and be indicated that he would withdraw that request."
"Representative Vinson, dc you withdraw your request? Representative Vinson indicates he withdraws his request for a fiscal note. Do you wish this Bill to be read? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2409, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to clerks of courts. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2411, Representative Preston. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2411, a Bill for an Act creating the Asian American Study Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Preston, amends House Bill 2411 on page two by deleting line thirty-two and thirty-three and so forth."
"Representative Preston."
"This Amendment just make a technical correction in the Bill to make it effective. It was given to me to clean up the language."
"Are there any questions? There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 2411 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the the opinion of the 29 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REERESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Auendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Arendrents."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Eill 2416, Representative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2416, a Fill for an Act in relation to occupation and use taxes on cil field equipment. Second Reading of the Pill. No Committee Anendrents."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Avendnents?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill... Excuse me, there is a fiscal note request filed... reguested. Eas it been filed?"
"The note has not been filed."
"Then this Bill must stay on Second Reading, Representative Bicks. House Bill 2417, Representative Pangle. Representative Pangle. Cut of the record. House Bill 2419, Representative Fea. Out of the record. House Bill 2423, Representative Rea. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2423..."
"Representative Rea. Ατε there any Motions filed?"
"House Fill 2423, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Ections filed."
"Are there any further Auenduents?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Rea, anEDGS HOUSE Pill 2423 as amended in Section I and so forth."
"Bepresentative Rea." 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Yes, Amendment #2 restricts and narrows the kinds of equipment eligible for the five percent tax credit, and I would move for the adoption and also would request to leave House Bill 2423 on Second Reading since there is a fiscal note requested."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2423. And on that question is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"This Bill stays on Second Reading. House Bill 2423, Representative Nash. Excuse me. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, according... You said there were no further Amendments. We've got Amendment #3 here."
"Excuse me. You have Amendment #3 to House Bill 2433 (sic House Bill 2423). Is that correct?"
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're right. I'm wrong."
"Okay. House... we are on the Order of House Bill 2424, Representative Nash. Out of the record. House Bill 2426, Representative Curran. Out of the record. House Bill 24... Excuse me. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"
"To back up again. I'm sorry, Madam Speaker, but you said House Bill 2433. I have Amendment #3 to House Bill 2423, and that was the one I was asking the question about. And you said there were no further Amendments. We've got Amendment #3 on that Bill."
"Mr. Clerk, can you advise us on this question? With leave of the Assembly, we will go back to House Bill 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEBBIY HOUSE OF BEERESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 2423 to hear Amendment #3 Is there leave? There being no objection, House Bill 2423."
"Amendment #3, Kirkland, amends House Bill 2423 as amended in the title by inserting after Section 206 the following and so forth."
"Representative Kirkland, CD Avendment #3. Excuse me, Representative Fea, for what reason do you rise?"
"Question. Has a Amendment been circulated?"
"Mr Clerk? The Asendment has been circulated, Representative Bea. Bepresentative Kirkland, perhaps you could discuss with Representative Fiel what the Amendment does. Representative hea, Representative Kirkland would like to know if you would hold this Bill on Second Reading for him tc consider this. The Fill is on Second Reading anyway, Representative Kirkland, because the fiscal note reguest has not been completed. So the Eill is on Second Reading. Very good. And now we will go to the next Bill appearing OD the Call which is House Bill 2430, Representative Curran. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2430, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illincis Vehicle Code. Second Reading cf the Bill.. Amendment #231 lost in Committee. Amenógent #2 was adopted in Committee.."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Vinsch, amends House Bill 2430 as amended by deleting line one and so forth."
"Bepresentative Vinson, on Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 to House Bill... Wait a second, Madan Speaker, 2430 is the Bill that I've agreed to withdraw this 32 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 Amendment from. I withdraw this Agendrent."
"The Gentleman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #3. Hearing no objection, the Amendment is withdrawn. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Anenduents."
"Third Reading. Fouse Fil1 2434, Representative McPike. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2434, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Egg and Egg Product Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Ficor Amendment #2, EcPike, amends House Bill 2434 on page two in line nine and so forth."
"Sepresentative McPike."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #2 is corrective in nature, changed the words cracked to 'checked' and *package' tc repackage. It's a technical Amendment. I move the adoption."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2434 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Bouse Bill 2440, Representative Shaw. Read the Eill."
"House Bill 2440, a Bill for an Act in relation to traffic violation citatioBS. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?" 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments filed?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2441, Representative Mulcahey. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2441, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code and the Facilities for the Handicapped Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions relating to Amendment #2."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Davis, amends House Bill 2441 as amended and so forth."
"Representative Davis."
"Well, thank you, Mr. (sic - Madar) Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman. This is really an interesting Bill, and I'm glad that Representative Mulcahey and the Attorney General have brought it to our attention. It's one of my pet peeves, and I filed Amendment #3. In case you don't know what the Bill is all about, it relates to parking for the handicapped, and I suppose I shot my mouth off in Committee. It was quoted statewide on the notion that I occasionally do some dirty tricks on people that shouldn't be parking in handicapped places that do park there. The thrust of the Bill is to raise the fine for parking illegally in handicapped places from what it is now five cr ten dollars, a minor offense, to fifty dollars. I don't think that's enough. So Amendment #3 says that the fine should be raised to five hundred dollars for the first and subsequent offense. I think that's probably too light. I think it ought to carry thirty days or six months in jail, 34 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION LEBATE May 10, 1984 as a matter of fact. Hang'em. Hang the devils, is what I say. Absolutely right. But, nevertheless, the Amendment does call to increase the fine to five hundred dollars, and I recommend this Amendment to you. If you don't like it, I've got a subsequent for a little bit less. But I think five hundred is cheap."
"Representative Mulcahey, on the Amendment."
"Well, Madam Speaker, I can appreciate where Representative Davis is coming from, and I concur maybe in his theory, but I think this would... this is really not a good concept, a good idea for the Fill. And I would ask you to reject Amendment #3."
"Representative Davis, to close. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to House Bill 2441 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the nos have it. And the Amendment is lost. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Davis."
"Representative Davis."
"There must be some people here that occasionally park in handicapped parking places. Well, if you didn't like Amendment #3, you'll like Amendment #4, which provides a two tiered fine, a hundred dollars for the first offense and two hundred dollars for the second and subsequent offense. And, I think, even Representative Mulcahey will agree, as did the Attorney General, this is not a bad idea. So I submit this Amendment to you, cause if you didn't like the last one, you'll love this one. And I recommend you vote aye for the handicapped."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 2441 be adopted?' And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the Motion is put... 35 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say "nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the nays have it. And the Amendment is lost. Any further Arendrents?"
"Floor Amendment #5, Mulcahey."
"Representative Mulcahey, cr Amendment #5."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wish... withdraw Amendment #5."
"Is there leave? There being no dissension the Amendment is withdrawn. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #6, Mulcahey."
"Withdraw Amendment #6."
"Withdraw Amendment #6."
"Floor Amendment #7, Lavis."
"Representative Davis. Withdraw Amendment #7."
"Flock Amendment #8. Rice." Speaker Breslin: to Rice, #٤. a "Representative cn Amendment Representative Rice is not present. Would you entertain Motion withdrau Amendment #8? The Motion has to be to table Amendment #8. Depresentative Mulcahey makes that Motion table Amenduent #8. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Amendment #8 is tabled. Are there any further Amendments?" to
"Floor Amendment #9, Mulcahey."
"Bepresentative Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Anendment #9 simply provides that handicapped vehicles may be parked in excESS of a parking time limit except where the time limit is one-half hour or less. This is a problem we had with the Bill. It's been worked out now. adoption of Amendment #9." I would for the
"The Gentleman MOVES for the adoption Arendment #9 to House Bill 2441. And cn that of guestion, 36 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE Representative Fiel."
"Question of the Clerk, Madan Speaker. printed and distributed? here." May 10, 1984 Has this been Because ke don't have it ΟVΕΣ
"Yes. The Clerk indicates that the Amendment has been printed and distriłuted. Representative Leverenz."
"Will the Gentleman yield?" Speaker Breslin: question." "Representative Mulcahey will yield to a
"Would you explain the Arendrent again?"
"Lepresentative Mulcabey."
"Amendment #9, Bepresentative Leverenz, simply says that handicapped Ba y not park in an area which contains meters of one-half hour or less. Frior to this, that was in the legislation." Leverenz: NO. "They can now park there. Is that correct?"
"They cannot. The original legislation was written in such a way that they could park there, and не removed that. Because it's a high... These are high turnover areas, and that's the reason for the Amendment."
"Are you going to notify all the handicapped of this should it be passed?"
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #9 to House Bill 2441 be adopted?" All those in favor say aye, all those opposed say nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." "Third Reading.
Woodyard.
House Bill 2443, Беpresentative Clerk, read the Bill." "House Bill 2443, a Bill foI an Act to amend 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. the Bill. No Committee Amendments." May 10, 1984
Second Beading of Speaker Breslin: "Are there any Amendments filed? There are no Amendments filed, Representative Roodyard, kut a State Mandates Act request has been filed. This Bill must remain, therefore, on Secand Reading. House Bill 2444, Representative Ropp. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2444, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Hotions filed?"
"No Motions filed.”
"Are there any Floor Arendments filed?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Beading. Eouse Bill 2449, Representative Wolf. Representative Wolf. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2449, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of Law Enforcement OfficeIS, Civil Defense Workers, Civil Air Fatrol Members, Faramedics and FiremENS Compensation Act. Second Reading cf the Bill. No Committee Amendments." Speaker Breslin; "Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Beading. Bouse Bill 2455, Беpresentative Madigan. Bepresentative Madigan. Cut of the record. House Bill 2459, Representative Caffarelli. Representative Capparelli. 2459. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2459, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Fension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendrents?"
"None." 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day
"Third Beading. Currie. House Bill 2470, Representative Out of the record. Eouse Bill 2476, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."
"BCUSE Bill 2476, a Bill for ar Act to add Sections to the Illinois Pension Code. Second Beading of the Bill. Nc Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendnents?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Fill 2479, Берresentative Mautino. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2479, a Pill for an Act to amend Sections of the Liguor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Giorgi, amends House Bill 2479 on page one line two."
"Bepresentative Giorgi.."
"Nadam Speaker, Members of the House, Amendment #2 provides that appeals from a local liquor commission like in a city like Rockford and that had... that was a home zule community and is not now a home rule community, does not become a new de novo hearing before a liquor control board on a state level. And I urge the adoption of the Arendment."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bil1 2479.. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Dewitt, Bepresentative Vinson."
"Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a question, Madam Speaker?"
"The Sponsor of the Auendment?" 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY FOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Yes."
May 10, 1984 "Representative Giorgi indicates he will yield to a question."
"Representative, would you explain again what the Amendment actually does?"
"Sam, when, Representative Vinson, when you're a hore rule community and then when your not a home rule community, different laws apply to you in matters of ligucr hearings that are appealed to the state. And Rockford would like to continue in the old system where the state board... the State Liguor Commission lccks at the hearing rather than starting a trial anew, like you have to do if your not a home rule community. That's all this Avenduent does. It allows Rockford and cities of that population size that had home rule and had to leave home rule the same privileges that home rule communities had in that cne instance."
"No further questions."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #2 to House Eill 2479 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. And the Auerdnent is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2510, Representative Levin. Representative Levin. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2510, a Bill for an Act to provide a period of amnesty for persons who pay certain delinquent taxes. Second Reading of the Fill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None." 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"This Bill has a fiscal note request, Representative Levin, and it must stay on Second Reading. With leave of the House, I would like to go back to House Bill 2455. I understand it is ready for discussion. Representative Capparelli, Bouse Eill 2455."
"House Bill 2455, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, McAuliffe - Capparelli, amends House Bill 2455 on page two and so forth."
"Representative Capparelli."
"Miss Speaker, I would like to ask for a...to move House Amendment #1 to House Eill 2455. It changes the effective date from 1985 to 1984 and changes line 'ii' to 'c'. I move to move Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2455. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a question."
"Has the Pension Laws Committee given a report with the Amendment? Have they indicated how much the Amendment will affect the cost to the system?"
"It really doesn't change the structure or the cost of the Bill. It just changes dates. I have got nothing from the Pension Laws Commission on it."
"Well, there used to be a phase in under the original Bill. Basically what the Bill does, it phases in a reduction in the age and the service requirements for deputy sheriffs, and what I understand the Amendment to do would be to jump right to age 50 and 20 years of service rather than phase it in. So are you saying that there is 41 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE no fiscal impact?" May 10, 1984
"That's right. You're right. It doesn't phase it in any longer. It makes it the same as the Chicago Police Department last year that we passed the Bill."
"So what is the fiscal impact then to the Pension laws..."
"Well, the Cook County... I talked to George Dunn and George Dunn said that his cost... 346 million... thousand and this says 567 thousand. I prefer to go by Mr. Dunn's proposal."
"No further questions."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli, to close."
"I move to adopt Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #1 to House Bill 2455. And on that question, all those in favor say 'aye', all 117th Legislative Lay STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 the overly restrictive provisions which were put into the law last year. It is an agreed Avendrent. I agreed to hold the Bill Gn Second Reading when it came out of Committee until we did have an agreed Amendment by the departments and the parties concerned. It is an agreed Amendment, and I would ask your favcratle support."
"The Gentleman MOVES for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Bouse Bill 2511. And co that question, is there being... is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #1 be adopted? All those in favor say aye, all those opposed say 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Arendment is adopted. Are there any further Anendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2512, Representative Churchill. Cut of the record. EGUSE Pill 2545, Representative Laurino. Out of the record. House Bill 2558, Representative Cullerton. Cut of the record. House Bill 2566, Representative Wojcik. Out of the record. House Bill 2580, Representative Saltsian. Representative Saltsman on House Bill 2580. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Fill 2580, a Fill for an Act to amend the Illinois Fension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendients?"
"None."
"Third Beading. House Bill 2595, Representative Hannig. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2595, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Fension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. NC Committee Amendments,"
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Floor Amendment #1, Hannig, amends House Bill 2595 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Hannig."
"Yes, Madam Speaker. Has that Amendment been distributed?"
"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been printed and distributed? Yes, it has, Bepresentative."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman (sic Speaker), Members cf the House. This is just a technical Amendment which changes from 90 days to 60 days a period of time не are dealing with in this Bill. It is just a technical Amendment. I'd move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved fcr the adoption of Asendment #1 to House Bill 2595. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield tc a question."
"AS I understand the Bill, it amends the downstate teachers' retirement article, and it says that a beneficiary of a retirement allowancCE may nct accept employment as a teacher for a certain n nuaker of days following the end of service. And the Eill says 90 days, and you are changing this to 60 days. Is that correct?"
"That's correct."
"Why, if you could explain, what is the theory behind having this prohibition in the first place?"
"Well, I'd be happy to discuss it basically on Third Beading. But basically, the theory is that KE have had cases, unfortunately, with people who were ending their employment in the middle of the year who would then take & position, in effect, with the administration and who are also drawing pension benefits. And that effect would be that they are, in effect, drawing two salaries. And what 44 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILIINCIS 8.3RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ May 10, 1984 we wanted to do is ensure that if these people, indeed, wanted to retire that a certain period of time would elapse... a reasonable period of time elapse before they, indeed, took another job. And we thought..."
"That sounds like a good idea. So then why are you shortening the feriod of time from 90 days to 60 days?""
"Well, the summer calendar generally runs around somewhere in the neighborhood cí SC days, but we didn't want to put people in a difficult situation where if they retire at the end of a calendar... a school year, that they could not, in effect, take a position the next school year.. So 60 days certainly would cover that."
"Well, 1 think it's a good idea, a good Bill, but I don't know why you would want to weaken it. Eut I guess you're the Sponsor so you might as well go with it."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Eill 2595 be adopted? All those in favoE say 'aye, all those opposed say 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2597, Representative Capparelli. Representative Terzich. Clerk, read the Eill."
"NO, MS. Speaker, on these pension Bills, it's y understanding that if the Bill is amended that the Bill would be... remain on Second Beading until a pension impact note was filed with that, so we can find cut what the amended... Amendment would do on these... on these."
"If that is the case, Representative, the Chair has not been advised of that. Ferhaps you could discuss the matter with Representative Cullerton. This Bill is 45 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ May 10, 1984 already on Third Reading, and we are DOW on House Bill 2597. Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2597, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Beading. House Pill 2598, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House bill 2598, a Bill for an Act to 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984
"Not as to Amendment #1, Representative Braun."
"Alright."
"House Bill 2606, Representative Hannig. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Eill 2666, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments,"
"Are there any Floor Arenduents?"
"None."
"Representative Bannig, this Fill has a fiscal impact note filed on it. It, therefore, must remain on Second Reading. A state... EXCUSE ΠΕ, a State Mandates Act note. House Bill 2613, Беpresentative Rea. Cut of the record. House Bill 2620, Bepresentative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2620, a Bill for an Act to impose a tax on jet aviation fuel and provide for its distribution. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"are there any Floor Amendnerts?"
"None."
"Fepresentative Capparelli, this bas a fiscal note request filed. It, therefore, must remain on Second Reading. House Bil1 2629, Беpresentative McMaster. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2629, a Bill for an Act tc avend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #..."
"Representative, we have a technical problem with the Bill. With leave of the Committee (sic House), could we come back to it as soon as we find the Amendment that was filed? Could... with leave. There being no objection, we will go on now to House Fill 2630 and CODE back to this Bill later. Representative Churchill, on 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 House Bill 2630. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2630, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"Nc Motions filed."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2670, Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Bill. Repre... excuse me, Representative Ewing, for what reason do you rise?"
"We have a photographer in the speaker's gallery. Is that... Is the light on or is she... is that being done by rules?"
"The TV light is on."
"I think normally we have some announcement if we are going to have people clicking pictures in the galleries. I would appreciate you putting a stop to it."
"The Parliamentarian advises me that when the TV light is on, they are allowed to take pictures. However, they must take them from the appropriate places which is the rear gallery and the two side galleries. That does not include the Speaker's Gallery unless they have requested special permission, and they have not. I would, therefore, request that the person abide by the rules. We had called Representative Currie's Bill, House Bill 2670. Are you ready to proceed on that Bill, Representative Currie? Yes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2670, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Floor Amendment #1, Currie, amends House Bill 2670 on page two and so forth."
"Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. The Bill, itself, provides for the possibility cf cost of living adjustments in child support and maintenance orders. Amendment #1 would make those cost of living adjustments only obtain when both parties to the dissolution decree agree."
"The Lady has asked for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2670, and on that guestion, is there any discussion? There being DC question is, Shall Amendment #1 adopted? tc discussion, the Ecuse Bill 2670 be All those in favor say aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Greiman, amends House Fill 2670."
"Representative Greiman."
"Yes, yes, on Amendment #2, Mr... Macam Speaker..."
"Bepresentative Culler... excuse Me Bepresentative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"
"Yes, I just have an inquiry. I wondered if Amendment #2 has been misnumbered as Amendment #33
"MI. Clerk, the question is, Is this really Amendment #3? Ckay, there is an Arenduent #3 filed by the same party. He will read the first line of that Amendment to determine that this is Amendment #2. ME. Clerk."
"Amendment #2 amends House Bill 2670 ΟΙ page one, line one and six, by inserting 503 after Sections and by inserting between line eight and the unnumbered line the following." 49 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"and what is the IBE nusaber on that Amendment?"
"LRB 8308259DATCAMO2."
"Representative Cullerton."
"It's a different Amendment, but I don't think it's been printed."
"Mr. Clerk, has the Anenduent been printed and distributed? No, it has not been printed and distributed, Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, I filed this last week, better than a week ago, and 3 I filed yesterday, I think, so the one from last week bas not been printed and the one from yesterday has been printed. I would like the Sponsor to take it out of the record, and perhaps we could сове back το it later on today and consider it after we have printed Amendment #2."
"Bepresentative Currie. The lady indicates she will take the Bill cut of the reccrd. Bepresentative Johnson, is that satisfactory? The Fill will remain OD Second Reading. Excuse me, Representative Greiman."
"Let's return to it later on today, if that might be."
"Today, very good. With leave of the House, We will do that. And DOW with leave we will go back to Representative McMaster's Bill, Ecuse Eill 2629. Bepresentative McMaster. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2629, a Bill fcI an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Fill. Arendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Arendaents?"
"Floor Amendment #2, UcMaster, amends House Bill 2629 as amended."
"Representative McMaster." 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. May 10, 1984 The Eill, as originally written, might have allowed a number of special referenduas to be held for highway purposes in a township. The purpose of Amendment #2 is to restrict that nunker to only two in a twelve month period. So, I think it is an improvement ufen the Eill." the
"The Gentleman has noved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2629, and on that question, Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a question."
"Can these referendues be through a town meeting?"
"Yes, special town meeting called by a petition of at least ten percent of the registered voters within the township."
"And your Amendment would say that they could caly do that twice a year to try to raise taxes?"
"Yes."
"Or they could use the general election?" McMaster: YES.
"Thank you."
"Are there any further questions? There being no further questions, the question before us is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to Bouse Bill 2629 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Arendrents?"
"No further Amendments?"
"Third Reading. Eack on the regular Order of Call appears House Bill 2671, Representative Greiman. House Bill 2671. Out of the record. House Bill 2671, Representative Greiman. Cut of the record. House Bill 2684, Representative Nash. Clerk, zead the Bill." 51 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEGELY ACUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"House Bill 2684, a Bill foI an May 10, 1984 Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Fublic Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed.."
"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2699, Бepresentative Dunn. Is Representative Dunn in the chamber? Cut of the record. House Bill 2706, Representative Bouman. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2706, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Notions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Asendments."
"Third Reading. Eouse Fill 2710, Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Fill 2710, a Bill for an Act concerning an Act to legalize and validate appropriation Fills and tax levy ordinances. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendmente."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"NODE,"
"Third Reading. House Fill 2713, Bepresentative Giorgi. 2713. Out of the record. HOUSE Bill 2715, Representative DeJaegher. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2715, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Motions filed?" 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Ficor Arendsents?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Preston. May 10, 1984 House Fill 2716, Bepresentative Bouse Bill Out of the record. 2717, Representative Jaffe. Representative... Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2717, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Fill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None"
"Third Beading. House Fil1 2719, Γεpresentative Pangle. Recognize Representative Pargle. Representative Pangle."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Leave Interim Study, please?" to put 2719 into
"The Gentleman asks leave to put House Eill 2719 into Interim Study.. Is there any objection? There hearing no objection, House Bill 2719 is in Interim Study. House Bill 2726, Representative Preston. Representative Preston. Out of the record. The Chair would now like to ask leave for the Peoria Journal Star to take still pictures from the Speaker's Gallery. Is there any objection? Bearing no objection, the Peoria Journal Star bas leave. HOUSE Bill 2736, Representative Fanayotovich. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2736, a Bill for an Act tc amend the Chicago Regional Port District Act. Second Feading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee." "Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Arendrents?" "Floor Arendment #3, Panayotovich, amends House Bill 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 2736 as amended."
"Representative Panayotovich."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like leave to table Amendment #2."
"Gentleman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #3."
"2, table 2."
"The Gentleman asks leave to table Amendment #2, and on that question, is there any discussion? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. Representative Bopp, are you rising on this question?"
"Yes, Madam Speaker. I was going to ask what the Amendment did that he is trying to get rid of."
"Representative Panayotovich."
"What we are doing is we are correcting a technical error with Amendment #3, adding the word 'service' that was omitted, and we just want to pull it out. Same Bill, doesn't change the legislation at all."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2736 be tabled?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Amendment is tabled. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Panayotovich, amends House Bill 2736 as amended."
"Representative Panayotovich."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #3 corrects a technical problem in that we had in Amendment #2. It restores the word 'service' which was omitted by Amendment #1. Amendment #3 does not change the legislation or the intent of this Bill in any way. And I move for passage of Amendment #3."
"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #3 to House Bill 2736, and on that question, is there any 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LЕВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to House Fill 2736 be adopted?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Beading. House Bill 2740, Representative Giorgi. Cut of the record. House Bill 2743, Representative Richmond. Cut of the record. House Bill 2747, Bepresentative McAuliffe. Out of the record. House Bill 2753, Representative Terzích. Call... Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2753, a Eill for an Act to amend an Act concerning the Des Plaines and Illincis Rivers. Secord Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendrents."
"Are there any Floor Arendaents?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich, anends House Fill 2753 on page ten and so forth."
"Representative Terzich, on Amendment #1."
"Amendment #31 is just a technical correction by deleting 'allocated' in lieu of 'allocation', and I would move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman asks for leave... ΟΙ the Gentleman asks... or moves to amend... to adopt Amendment #1 to House Bill 2753, and on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 2753 be adopted?' A11 those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the Arendment is adopted. Are there any further Arendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Beading. House Fil1 2762, Βepresentative Mautino. Clerk, read the Bill." 55 STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"House Bill 2762, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"The Gentleman asks that this Fill be held on Second Reading. Out of the record. House Bill 2763, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill. Ch, excuse me. Okay, hold this Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 2775, Representative Madigan. Out of the record.. House Bill 2780, Representative Braun. Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2780, a Bill for an Act to amend the Foreign Eanking Office Act. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Anerdnents?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Bullock - Flinn, amends House Bill 2780 by deleting the title and inserting in lieu of the following."
"Representative Bullock."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #1 to House Bill 2780 deals with the subject of allowing facilities to execute trust agreements. This Amendment basically allows for those facilities to receive and to execute trust agreements."
"The Gentleman has moved to adopt Amendment #1 to House Bill 2780, and on that guestion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fiel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker.. Will the Gentleman yield for a guestion, please?"
"ill the Gentleman... the Gentleman indicates he will yield to a question."
"I haven't had a chance... we're sitting bere with a 20 page or 15 rage Amendment in front of us, but is this Amendment similar to the Fill that we defeated in Committee 56 STATE CF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day Bullock: twice?" "This Amendment, Bepresentative fiel, essentially allows for facilities to receive and execute trust agreements. It's been on our desks for several days."
"Okay, SC basically, on the Bill... cr on the Amendment, Madam Speaker. What this Amendment does, Ladies and Gentlemen for the... in the BoUSE, WE'VE defeated... the Representative introduced a Fill in Financial Institutions Committee I on two different occasions. It was defeated. can tell you that all the banking organizations are opposed to this Amendment. They were opposed to the Bill. It would allow drive-in facilities to handle trust facility... or trust services, and all of ycur banking groups in Illinois are opposed to this. And I would ask for a Roll Call and ask everybody vote against Amendment #1 to House Bill 2780." Speaker Breslin: to "The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn." Flinn: What "Yes, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of the Bullock Flinn Amendment. it basically does is permits a trust officer to be put into to the satellites of the banks. 1t makes it much ΠΟΣΕ convenient for the customers who have business with the trust officer in that they don't have tc go the main bank. It's a convenience thing for the customers as much as it is for the bank itself. This came about because of a bank down in my area that they have a number of satellites and are not permitted to have trust officer there. I don't know that they are going to put them in all of them, but some of them are in heavily populated areas, and they do, indeed, need a trust officer. And this is why we are supporting the Amendment."
"There being no further discussion, 57 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 Representative Bullock to close. Excuse me, Representative McPike, for what reason do you rise?"
"I'd like to speak to the Amendment."
"Please proceed."
"Well, I rise in support of the Amendment. What I find surprising is that next year the Illinois Bankers' Association will introduce this Bill as part of their package, and that they will be for the Bill next year. Last year we had a Bill that allowed facilities to make loans, and the Banking Association was for that Bill. We had a Bill that allowed trusts to operate at facilities, but it was amendatorily vetoed to only allow a trust to operate at the various banks held by a holding company but not at the facilities, and the bankers supported that Bill. And I again say that next year the bankers will be supporting this Bill. So I guess the real question is is that who makes the laws in the State of Illinois? Is it the Legislators looking out for their constituent interests, and that is the consumers, the convenience of the consumer to take out a loan or to operate a trust at a facility? Is it we, who sit on this House floor, that make the laws for this state or is it the banking organizations that determine when and if a law or a Bill will become a law? Now, I hope it's the Legislators on this House floor that make that decision and not the banking organizations. So I would ask that you support this Bill now instead of waiting for ten months to do it when a certain banking organization would suggest that you do it."
"There being no further discussion, Representative Fullock to close."
"Thank you, thank you, Madam Speaker. I cite for my colleagues the remarks by the Majority Leader, Representative McPike, as evidence that this legislation is 58 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 necessary. I cite for my colleagues the prouhaha... brouhaha by one of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle who is usually distinguished with misinformation. The fact of the matter is, this Bill is not complicated. It's a very simple proposition. The fact of the matter is, the consumer needs this convenience. The fact of the matter is that the Bill really only lost in Committee by one vote, and the records of the Committee will sc indicate. I trust that the Members of this Body will join with me and Representative Flinn and listen to the distinguished remarks of our Majority Leader, Representative McPike, and cast an 'aye vote on the proposition, and I urge an 'aye vcte."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 2780 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Cn this question there are 46 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', and 4 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2781, Representative Satterthwaite. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2781, a Bill for an Act to amend the Paternity Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2804. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2804, a Bill for an Act relating to the property of state institutions of higher learning. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in 59 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed." May 10, 1984
"Third Reading. House Bill 2809, Representative Dunn. Representative John Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2809, a Eill fcr an Act to amend an Act relating to county and municipal jails. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendrents?"
"None"
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2812, Representative Hoffman. Representative Hoffman. Cut of the record. House Bill 2827, Representative Levin. Representative Levin. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Eill 2827, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Aid Code, the Criminal Code, the Illincis Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act and the Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Ccamittee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Ficor Amendments."
"Third Beading. House Pill 2835, Representative Saltsman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2835, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Avendrents."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2836, Representative Fanayotovich. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2836, a Bill for an Act giving 60 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 necessary. I cite for my colleagues the prouhaba... brouhaha by one of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle who is usually distinguished with misinformation. The fact of the matter is, this Bill is not complicated. It's a very simple proposition. The fact of the matter is, the consumer needs this convenience. The fact of the matter is that the Bill really only lost in Committee by one vote, and the records of the Committee will1 SG indicate. I trust that the Members of this Body will join with me and Representative Flinn and listen to the distinguished remarks of our Majority Leader, Representative McPike, and cast an 'aye' vote on the proposition, and I urge an "aye vote."
"The guestion is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 2780 be adopted?' All those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Cn this question there are 46 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', and 4 voting 'present', and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Beading. house Bill 2781, Representative Satterthwaite. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2781, a Bill for an Act to amend the Paternity Act. Second Beading of the Fill. Do Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Beading. Bouse Bill 2804. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2804, a Eill for an Act relating to the property of state institutions of higher learning. Second Reading of the Fill. Avendrent #1 was adopted in 59 STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day Committee." "Are there any Motions filed?»
"No Motions filed." May 10, 1984
"Third Reading. House Bill 2809, Bepresentative Dunn. Representative Jobn Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Fill 2809, a Fill for an Act to amend an Act relating to county and municipal jails. the Bill.. No Committee Amendments."
Second Reading of Speaker Breslin: "Are there any Floor Avenduents?"
"None"
"Third Reading. Ecuse Pill 2812, Representative Hoffman.. Representative Hoffman. Gut of the record. House Bill 2827, Representative Levin. Levin. Clerk, read the Fill."
Bepresentative Clerk Lecne: "House Fill 2827, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Aid Code, the Criminal Code, the Illincis Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act and the Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Ccamittee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"NG Floor Awenaments."
"Third Reading. House Eill 2835, Representative Saltsman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2835, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illincis Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None.
"Third Beading. No House Bil1 2836, Беpresentative Fanayotovich. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2836, a Eill for an Act giving 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 preference to fublic works projects to Illinois citizens. Second Reading of the Bill. Arendaent #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?”
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends House Bill 2836 as amended."
"Representative Cullerton."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment adds a mental state for the Class C criminal penalties that are in the Fill. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman asks for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion... excuse Πε, Amendment #2. Would you correct the board? The Gentleman bas moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. There being DO discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 tc House Bill 2836 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the "ayes have it and the Amendment is adopted. Ατε there any further Arendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Eouse Fill 2838, Representative Ronan. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2838, a Bill for an Act concerning procedures for the determination and recognition of disabilities. Second heading of the Eill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"No Ficar Amendments."
"Representative Cullerton, on this Fill. The question... Third Reading. Ecuse Fill 2862, Representative Giglio. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2862, a Pill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2865, Representative Satterthaite. Clerk, read the Eill."
"Bouse Pill 2865, a Eill for an Act to amend the Illinois Fension Code. Second Reading cf the Pill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Asendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2869, Representative Kirkland. Representative Kirkland. Fold. Qut of the record. House Bill 2871, Representative Kirkland. Cut of the record. House Bill 2873, Representative Madigan. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2873, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code ot Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill1. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Nash, amends House Bill 2873 cn page two and so forth."
"Representative Nash."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to table Amendment #1... to withdraw Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves to withdraw Amendment #1. Does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave. Are there any further Amendments?" 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Floor Amendment #2, Nash, amends House Bill 2873 on page two and so forth."
"Representative Nash on the Amendment."
"Madam Chairman... Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I ask leave to amend Amendment #2 on its face. Simply have to underline the word *thereof on line two."
"The Gentleman asks leave to underline the word *thereof on the Amendment in the line specified. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fiel. Do you wish to speak on that question?"
"Question. Has this been printed and distributed?"
"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been printed and distributed? No, Representative Nash, the Amendment has not been printed and distributed."
"Can we have leave to get the... back later?"
"Does the Gentleman have leave to come back to this Amendment? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave. Out of the record. House Bill 2875, Representative White. Out of the record. House Bill 2876, Representative Ropp. Representative Ropp. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2876, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to levying and imposing taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2877, Representative LeFlore. Out of the record. House Bill 2878, Representative Madigan. Representative Currie. Representative Marzuki. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2878, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning long term care facilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 63 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"None."
May 10, 1984 "There is a fiscal note request. This Bill must, therefore, remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2884, Representative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2884, a Bill for an Act tc agend the Revenue Act. Second Beading of the fill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Ficor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Fouse Bill 2885, Берresentative Hicks. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2885, a Bill for an Act tc agend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Eill. NO Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Flccr Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Beading. Bouse Bill 2888, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2888, a Bill for an Act in relationship to passenger seat belts for school buses and the inspection thereof by school boards. Second Reading of the Bill. NO Committee Amendments."
"Are there any ficor Amendments?"
"NODE."
"Representative Cullerton, this Bill has a State to Mandates Act fiscal note reguested, and it is not filed."
"Yes, I understand ycu filed that reguest, and I understand that I cannot keep it on... I can't move it Third. Maybe you could check with the Clerk to see who filed that request and if it was... if it was you, maybe you could withdraw it."
"If I am the Sponsor of that, I withdraw it because I did not file it. Mr. Clerk, can you tell us whc 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 the Sponsor is? Representative Cullerton, the computer shows that you filed this fiscal note request. What is your pleasure?"
"I'd like to withdraw the request."
"The Gentleman wishes to withdraw the State Mandates Act fiscal note reguest. The Fill, therefore, maves to Third Reading. House Bill 2891, Бepresentative Madigan. Representative Capparelli. Representative McGann, do you wish that Bill called? Out of the record. Representative McGann, do you wish that Eill called, House Bill 28912 You are a hyphenated Cosponsor. Representative McGann."
"Yes, please, Nadam Speaker."
"Call the Eill?"
"Call the Bill."
"Br. Clerk, read the Bill. Ecuse Eill 2891."
"House Eill 2891, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Fension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Nc Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendnerts?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Fil1 2899, Βεpresentative Bullock or Representative Vinson. Representative Fullock. Cut of the record. House Bil1 2906, Βεpresentative Jaffe. Representative Jaffs. Out of the record. House Fill 2908, Bepresentative McGann. 2908. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2908, a Eill for an Act tc amend an Act relating to the prevention of developmental disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Avenduents #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Mctions filed?"
"No Mctions filed."
"Are there any Floor Arendments?" 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Beading. May 10, 1984 Fouse Bill 2909, Бepresentative Act McGann. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2909, a Bill for an tc amend the Hospital Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2910, Representative McGann. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Fill 2910, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Abused and Neglected Child Beporting Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #31, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee.."
"Are there any Nctions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Ficcr Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2916, Bepresentative Terzich. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2916, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. NG Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Abendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich, auends House Eill 2916 on page one and so forth."
"Bepresentative Terzich."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, 2916 is the prudent person investment authority which would te afplicable to systems that presently are not under that. Amendment #1 excludes the downstate police and fire systers because of the size of their syster from the prudent man rule. And I would move for adoption of Arendment #1." 66 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984
"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #1, and on that question, the Gentleman frcı Ccok, Representative Cullerton."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a question."
"The Bill amends the Pension Code?"
"Yeah, this is the prudent... it's just the investment authority. There's no change in the persion benefits, just in the investment authcrity."
"So you don't want me to file a pension impact note as amended on this Eill?"
"You can, but there is really no change in the Bill1 other than it takes them cut cf the prudent person investment authority."
"Okay, fine, let's let it go."
"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #1 of House Bill 2916. Is there any further discussion? There being DO further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'bay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Arendnent is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Bouse Bill 2921, Representative Matijevich. Call the Fill."
"House Bill 2921, a Eill for an Act to agend the Comptroller Merit Employment Cade. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2923, Берresentative Terzich. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2923, a Bill for an Act to amend the 67 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 Illincis Pension Code. Second Reading of the Eill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Eill 2926, Representative Davis. Out of the record. Ecuse Bill 2931, Бepresentative Zwick. 2931. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2931, a Fill for an Act to amend the township law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 1933, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Fill."
"Bouse Bill 2933, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the system of toll highways and to create the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority. Second Reading of the Fill. No Committee Απεζόrents."
"Are there any Flcer Anendaents?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Fill 2934, Representative McAuliffe. Gut of the reccrd. Eouse Bill 2939, Representative Homer. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2939, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in... relating to interest earned Gn certain taxes. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Notions filed."
"Are there any Floor Anerdnerts?"
"No Floor Amendments?"
"Third Beading. House Bil1 2950, Беpresentative Brummer. Clerk, read the Bill." 68 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"House Bill 2950, a Eill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to employees and their personnel records. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Coasittee."
"Are there any Floor... Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Arendserts?"
"Nc Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Ec Eouse Pill 2951, Representative Stec20. Out of the record. Eguse Bill 2960, Representative Alexander. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2960, a Fill fcr ar Act to prchibit certain employment practices. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Alexander, arends House Bill 2960 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Alexander."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman sic Speaker). Amendment #1 deletes Section 2 of the Fill and clarifies what an employer's duties would be with regards to the violation of this particular Act. Instead of an employer being guilty of a Class A... misdemeanor, Amendment #1 breaks it into a two tier classification where Persons viclating the provisions of this Act would be guilty of, first, a petty offense, or an employer caught in the cooperation of partnership would be guilty of a kusiness offense. I ask for passage of this Amendment to Ecuse Fill 2960."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2960, and on that question, the Gentleman from Cock, Representative Fiel."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. hill the Lady yield to a 69 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY BOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 question, please?"
"The lady will yield to a question."
"Representative, I don't have an analysis of the Amendment, but the question... are you reducing the fine and the offense or are you increasing the fine and the offense?"
"We are reducing from a Class A misdemeanor where any person violating this Act would be fined not Hore than a thousand dollars as a petty offense. If it is an employer cther than a natural person such as a company, a cooperation GI a partnership, they would be guilty of a business offense and would be... could be fined no ΠΟΙΕ than five thousand dollars. I would say it is reducing the offense in this case."
"Okay. so you are reducing it as far as a person violating it, and you are increasing it as far as a business ΟΙ employer?"
"If it becomes a regular business offense, yes."
"The way the Bill states right now befcre the Amendment... I notice the Amendment would increase it to a five thousand dollars max on the business offense. What is it in the present form, the way it came out of Committee?"
"Oh, out... .. out of the... how it came out of where?"
"The way it came out of Committee, the way the Eill cane out of Committee or is this completely new language?"
"Any employer who violates would te guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."
"which would be a maximum of how much?"
"I believe it's a year plus a fine if the court SC ordered it in a Class A risdemeanor. It is... as a business offense, he could only be fined the five thousand dollars. That's my understanding unless I'm incorrect."
"Thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman 70 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE from Cook, Representative O'Connell."
"A question of the Sponsor."
"The Lady will yield to a question."
"Im sorry. I didn't hear the explanation as to what the substantive Bill that you are arending does."
"It deletes Section 2 of the Eill where any emploγετ who violated this Act would be guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."
"What Act?"
"In its place, Amendment 1 is a two tier situation, two separate offenses. Any person violating provision of this Act could be fined no mcre than one thousand dollars. Any employer other than a natural person, which would mean a company, a cooperation or a partnership, would be guilty of a business offense and could not be fined no more than five thousand dollars."
"What... it says it requires as a condition of employment nondisclosure by an emplcyee of his or her wages."
"That relates to the Bill, Representative O'Connell."
"That's what I'm asking."
"Okay, now..."
"Where is the problem... and perhaps I should wait until Third Reading to ask this, but I sasn't aware of a problem in this area."
"There is definitely a prcklem in this area. 1, personally, have experienced it as other persons have."
"Then I'll waive my questions until Third Reading."
"Thank you."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Lady from Cook, Bepresentative Alexander, to close."
"I ask for the passage of this Amendment to House Bill 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day 2960."
"The question is, 'Shall Arendment #1 Bill 2960 be adopted?' those opposed say "nay'. May 10, 1984 to House All those in favor say 'aye', all In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Beading. House Fil1 2961, Representative Reane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2961, a Bill for an Act providing for state collection of certain locally imposed taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Auenduents?"
"None." McGann. House Fil1 2971, Representative
"Third Reading. Clerk, read the Bill."
House Bill 2971, a Bill for an Act tc amend the Bingo License and Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Coomittee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
Illinois Vehicle Code. "Third Reading. House Bill 2972, Bepresentative Terzich. Clerk, read the Fill." "House Fill 2972, a Bill for an Act Second tc amend the NO Reading of the Eill. Committee Avendrents."
"Are there any Floor Amenduents?"
"None."
"Third Beading. icuse Bil1 2986, Бepresentative Hannig. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2986, a Bill for an Act to provide for 72 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 assistance to persons who require emergency experimental surgery. Second Reading of the Bill. NC Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Fouse Bill 2987, Representative Steczo. Out of the record. Fouse Bill 2992, Representative Levin. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2992, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to vending facilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2994, Representative Peterson. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2994, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Bill 2997, Representative Prestop. Cut of the record. Fouse Bill 3001, Representative Preston. Out of the record. House Bill 3024, Representative Turner. Representative Turner. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3024, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance... Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3027, Representative 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 Churchill. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 3027, a Bill for an Act authorizing the Department of Conservation to convey certain real property. Second Reading of the Pill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Churchill, amends House Pill 3027 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Churchill."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment solely reduces the amcunt of land that the Department of Conservation would convey to the parties who are going to be the grantees."
"The Gentleman has moved fcr the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 3027, and co that guestion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"This Bill... would the Gentleman yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a question."
"This Bill involves the sale of scue state land?"
"That is correct."
"And is it to a private individual or to another public body?"
"No, it is to a private individual."
"Is there an appraisal filed?"
"There is no appraisal filed at this point. This is not surplus land being scld by the Department of Conservation. This is a parcel of property which underlies a residence."
"Well, I would ask the Farliamentarian to look at Rule 34(g) and see if it applies to this Bill."
"Representative Churchill, under the rules, an appraisal must be filed for this Bill tc be heard. So with your permission, we will hold this Eill on Second Beading until an appraisal is filed. Is that acceptable?" 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"We don't even need his permission."
"Very good. Out of the record. House Bill 3032, Representative Curran. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3032, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3034, Representative Greiman. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3034, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to forest preserve districts in certain counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3036. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3036, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3037, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3037, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Hazardous Materials Railroad Transportation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3038, Representative 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Lay May 10, 1984 Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3038, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Health and Hazardous Substances Registry Act and the Illinois Cancer Registry Act. Seccnd Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Cut of the reccrd. Fouse Bill 3039. Clerk, read the Eill." Clerk Leone 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE therefore, remain on Second Reading. Keane." May 10, 1984
Representative Keane: "Yes, I didn't... I wasn't avare that a fiscal note request had been filed. Can I get a copy of that? I'd like to know when... when was that fileć?"
"Yes, Mr. Clerk..."
"Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My fault. NO, I withdraw that statement."
"Second... this Eill must, therefore, remain on Second Reading. House Bill 3042, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Eil1."
"House Bill 3042, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection act. Second heading of the Bill. Arendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Flcor Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Eill 3043, Sepresentative Barnes and Keane. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 3043, a Eill for an Act to amend an Act requiring labeling of equipment and facilities relating to hazardous materials. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Ccomittee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Arendaents?"
"No Flcor Amendments."
"Third Reading. Eouse Bill 3044, Representative Mautino. Representative Jaffe. Bepresentative Mautino. Out of the record. House Bill 3045, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 3045, a Bill for an Act to amend the 77 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"
"I wonder if the Sponsor could take this out of the record. I believe there is a technical deficiency with the Bill. And I would peint out that to the Sponsor and we can work on an Amendment."
"Representative Earnes, there's a technical Amendment necessary according to Representative Cullerton. Will you take this Bill out of the record and hold it? Cut of the record.. House Bill 3052, Representative Braun. Gut of the record. House Pill 3055, Γερresentative Flinn. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 3055, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the rate of interest. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"Motion. 'I move to table Agendnert #1 to House Bill 3055, Representative Monrce Flion."
"Bepresentative Flinn."
"Madam Speaker, Amendment #1 to House Fill 3055 creates a misunderstanding in the meaning of the Fill. And I would MOVE to table that because Amendments #232 #2 offered by Representative Zwick and 3 by myself will correct that problem. I move to table."
"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 3055, and on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Fill 3655 be tabled?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those ofsed say "bay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is tabled. Are there any further Amendments?" 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Floor Amendment #2, Zwick, amends House Bill 3055 as amended."
"Representative Zwick."
"Thank you. I would move for the adcation of Amendment #2, Kadam Speaker. It simply, as Representative Flinn stated, corrects some technical errors in the Bill and to clarify the language dealing with the variable rates on interest."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 3055, and on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."
"Will the Lady yield?"
"Lady will yield to a guestion."
"NOW you say that Amendment #23 is a technical Amendment that corrects... Oh, we're ce #2."
"#2, John."
"Ckay, #1 was tabled?"
"ge tabled 1 and what this one does is it add language making sure that the borrower and the... if the contract is changed that the borrower is a party to any change in the contract."
"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #2 to House Eill 3055 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say "nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Avendments?"
"Floor Amendment #23, Flinn, agends House Bill 3055 on page one and so forth."
"Representative Flinn."
"Thank you, Kadam Speaker. This goes further to correct the technicalities that was WIong with the Fill with Amendment 1, and I'd move for the adoption." 79 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill... Amendment #3... moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 3055. And on that question, is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to House Eill 3055 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 3056, Representative Ryder. Representative Ryder. Call the Eill."
"House Bill 3056, a Bill for an Act to amend the Secretary of State Merit Employment Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Ecuse Eill 3057, Representative Curran.. Out of the record. Eguse Bill 3060, Representative Marzuki. Out of the record. House Bill 3062, Representative Ewing. Out of the record. House Bill 3063, Representative Zwick. Representative Zwick. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Eill 3063, a Bill for an Act to create the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. Second Reading of the Eill. No..."
"Cut of the record. House Bill 3068, Representative Vinson and Earnes. Cut of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, with the permission of the House, we would like to go back to some Bills that Sponsors have requested leave to consider because they were not here for their Bills to be heard. Is there any cłjection? Hearing no objection, we will call House Bill 15, Representative 80 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 O'Connell. We will pass over that and come back to Representative O'Connell's Bill if he comes back momentarily. House Bill 2856, Representative Winchester. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Winchester. HOUSE Bill 2856 on the Order of Second Reading on page four."
"House Bill 2856, a Bill for an Act to amend the Downstate Public Transportation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"No Floor Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Bill 2670... strike that. Excuse me. Representative O'Connell has returned to the chamber. House Bill 15, Representative O'Connell. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill #15, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #2 and 3 were adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, O'Connell, amends House Bill 15 as amended."
"Representative O'Connell."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #4 is partially technical and partially substantive. Amendments #2 and 3 were inconsistent in that they attempted to replace the language of vehicles under 8000 pounds or Class E plates with second division vehicles under 8000 pounds. Amendment #4 does that. Also Amendment #4 exempts recreational vans from the annual inspections twice each year. So I would ask for its favorable adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 15, and on that question, is 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 15 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. House Eill 2670, appearing on page 11 on your Calendar. Who's the Sponsor of House Bill 2670, Mr. Clerk? Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Eill."
"Representative Currie. House Eill 2670, a Bill for an Act to amend the Marriage and Lissclution of Marriage Act. Has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted."
"Are there any Motions filed?"
"No Motions filed."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"Further Amendment... Floor Amendment #2, Greiman, amends House Bill 2670 on page one and sc forth."
"Representative Greinar. Representative Greiman, on Amendment #2.
"Thank you, Speaker. Amendment #2 corrects a... sort of an overreaching that we were involved in in last year's... in a Bill last year. We passed Senate Eill... House Bill 5 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984
"A question of the Clerk, Madam Speaker. Has that Amendment been printed and distributed?"
"Yes, it has been printed and distributed."
"That was the one, I think, Representative Cullerton was asking about before, wasn't it?"
"I don't know, but it has been printed and distributed. Rep... Is there any further discussion on Amendment #2. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2670 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Does the Gentleman request a Roll Call? The Gentleman from Will requests a Roll Call. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 30 voting 'aye', 22 voting 'no', and 18 voting 'present', and the Motion is... the Amendment is adopted. Representative Johnson, for what reason do you rise?"
"Yeah, it's a little late, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker. I guess you knew that when you recognized me."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Greiman, amends House Bill 2670 on page 1 and so forth."
"Representative Greiman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment 3 to House Bill 2670 changes the Code of Civil Procedure. Presently, the Code of Civil Procedure makes every trust in Illinois a spendthrift trust which means that creditors cannot seek and cannot reach a trust that is put in... that is established by somebody for the benefit of another person. As a matter of public policy, we believe that child support ought to be reachable. Presently, a case recently was... 83 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY BCOSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 came down from the Appellate Court that provided that the beneficiary cf a trust could sit... receive the trust incose, live off of it, but need not pay child support. It meant that a child support... a child was not supported by an adult beneficiary of a trust although there was very significant and ample funds tc provide that child with child support. It seems to me it should be against the public policy of Illincis for someone to be able to evade his or her obligations to pay child support and place that burden upon the public because... while they are sitting and enjoying the fruits of a trust. Therefore, I moved for the adoption of Amendment 3."
"The Gentleman has IGVEG for the adoption of Amendment #33 to House Bill 2670, and cn that question, the Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."
"Before I address the Bill, address this to Madam Speaker and the Farliamentarian. 1 culd question the germaneness of Floor Amendment #3 in that the subject matter is dramatically different than the Bill in chief and that the Eill in chief purports to agend an Act... the Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act and Amendment #3 amends the Code of Civil Procedure. 1 don't think it's germane."
"In order to determine germaneness, Representative Johnson, we also have to study Amendment #2. With your permission, we will go on with debate while we are studying that question. Is that acceptable?"
"Well, my voice is not very strong today. I want to talk about the Bill, but I also want to save my voice. So, I'd rather... if it's going to be ruled nongermane..."
"There are others seeking recognition. If we could go to ther and come back..."
"Could we come... can you come back to me then?" 84 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day
"Surely."
"Okay, that's fine."
"On the question, Representative McCracken."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield ic a question."
"Representative, you indicated these are treated as spendthrift trusts in Illincis. What is the policy, if you know, behind that criginal decision?"
"Well, under the old Chancery Act, Section 49 of the Chancery Act provided as this Section of the Code of Civil Procedure provides. Originally the notion was that a settlor or a grantor of a trust could establish a trust and could make it a spendthrift trust, in other words, could put it beyond the reach of the beneficiary's creditor, Probably, in most cases, because the beneficiary might indeed get a lot of debts and incur tills. And SO one wanted to put the... one wanted to protect that beneficiazy from a lot of creditors who might, you know, talk them intc some fancy deals. Our statute makes every trust a spendthrift trust. Most states say that you have to specifically state that it's spendthrift, but our statute makes every trust a spendthrift trust. This Amendment merely says that as to child support, one ought not to either directly or by statute relieve the... the beneficiary from that obligation."
"I understand... I understand that. Might the policy also have been to honor contracts of third parties which would be abrogated, at least ir effect, by allowing creditors to reach the trust proceeds?"
"No, I don't believe so, because in this case it's the statute that protected the beneficiaries in most cases rather than a specific spendthrift provision. So, clearly, as to those beneficiaries that are the beneficiaries of 85 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMEIY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 trusts where there is no specific spendthrift provision but rather rely on this statute, it is this statute and not a contract which precludes a child from teing supported by the beneficiary of a trust."
"So you are saying that expressly made spendthrift trusts are not affected by this statute?"
"At this cint, no, I think they would all be affected by this statute, yes. However... however, if there was..."
"Okay, SC if we were to adopt... excUSE DE. If we were to adopt this, then we would be, by statute, viclatirg express intent of those trusts which are expressly made spendthrift trusts."
"I think we would be making a public policy for this state that child support is a premier chligation and that no one ought to be able to hide behind a trust."
"I understand, but you would agree that the effect would be to abrogate that... that provision of expressly made spendthrift trusts? Correct?"
"I think that's correct."
"Okay. NOW would this apply to trusts already in existence as of the effective date of this Bill?"
"Only to the extent that it would be constitutional."
"Well, what is the legislative intent? Ic you seek to reach trusts already in existence?"
"If it's constitutional, I would."
"Now this is in the Code of Civil Frocedure. ALE ycu contending that this is not a substantive change in the law?"
"Oh, absolutely it's a substantive change in the law. It's a change... we are changing what was previously in this Chancery Act before the revision of the Ccde of Civil Procedure. It's clearly a substantive change, absolutely."
"Would you agree that to the extent it were applied 86 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY BGUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАЛЕ May 10, 1984 retroactively it would be unconstitutional?"
"I'm not sure of that. I'm not sure of that."
"Alright, thank you very much."
"Bepresentative Johnson. Representative Brummer."
"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a question."
"Representative Greiman, as I understand the existing law, if the judgsent debtor sets up the trust himself cr herself, that is currently not a spendthrift provision that is recognized under Illincis law anyway."
"If the parent who is liable for child support were to set up the trust, they could not avcid... the child support or a creditor or any other creditcr."
"Under the existing law."
"That's correct."
"So this... this proposed Amendment will not address any issue when... when the parent whc is ckligated for child support sets up the trust because they can't avoid that under the existing law."
"Clearly where the parent himself or herself establishes the trust, they cannot set up a spendthrift trust. So this only goes to trusts that have been set up by a third Farty."
"Ey... By a grandparent, or an uncle, or aunt or something of this natural."
"Or a parent in contemplation of... of the fac that they know that their child is required to pay child support, and they don't want... they want tc make sure that it's out of the reach of... of their former daughter-in-law maybe or their former son-in-law. I mean, you know, your suggestion is, Mr. Brummer, that these are made some place without knowledge of what the beneficiaries 87 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day Brummer: real life style is." "NO. May 10, 1984 I... I think it is good public policy that... that an individual cannot avoid child support by putting his assets in a trust in a spendthrift provision and saying, well, now the court can't reach that, but that's the existing law NOW. What you're proposing to do by this Amendment is to say a grandparent or scheone else can't set up a trust for the benefit of someone else and say that's spendthrift and... and is outside of the... the spendthrift provisions, in effect, would be void under this."
"That's correct. That's right."
"Briefly to the Amendment. I... I guess I would be in opposition to this Amendment for several reasons. Number one, the individual who has a support obligation under the existing law cannot set up that trust and avoid the trust... avoid the support obligations under the existing law. So with regard to that situation this does nothing. What it would do is prohibit someone else from setting up a trust for the benefit of a parent who may have sore child support obligation, and what we really would he saying is, you can't set up a trust this way for the benefit of your niece, or nephew, grandchild ΟΙ something of this nature. And I guess I question whether that is good public policy. I would also suggest that the... the proceeds of that trust, once they are paid cut, are not beyond the reach of the court currently. Obviously a ccurt can fine someone who has a support obligation to be in contempt of court and can jail them with regard to that contempt ΟΣ proceedings and things of this nature if paying cut to that individual 1,000 dollars a month, and they have a support obligatioDS, and there's a contempt the trustee is proceeding initiated and they are found to be in contempt of court. In effect, the court can order ther to pay those 88 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 proceeds out of that, the violation of which would re contempt, and they are subject to imprisonment. So I think we're really interfering with some contractual obligations, particularly when we talk about this having sore retroactive effect with regard to trusts that were established some time ago. I think that's clearly violative of the Constitutional provision prohibiting interference with contracts. And for those reasons, I think this is a bad Amendment."
"On the question of germaneness, we have indicated that the Amendment is germane because all... the Bill and all of the Amendments deal with maintenance and child support. Representative Johnson."
"By having made that ruling, Madam Speaker, I would make the further point of order that Amendment #2 and Amendment #3 taken together... Amendment #2's adoption would make Amendment #3 out of order. Amendment #3 purports that the amendatory language inserts after line 14 on page four the following and then recites the different material that Representative Greiman has proffered to us. Page four and by Amendment #2 line fourteen and following in my judgment is a non sequitur, and I don't think it's in order."
"Representative Davis, for what reason do you rise?"
"Well, while the Parliamentarian is looking, and Mr. Johnson's daughter, Annette, and her fifth grade class are up in the gallery. Annette is here, but her fifth grade class from Yankee Ridge Grade School in Urbana is here with Mrs. Blanford and Mrs. McDuffy and Mrs. 'Splitatozer'. May we welcome them to Springfield?"
"Welcome to the fifth grade. Representative Johnson, could... in spite of your bad voice, can you repeat your point of order?" 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Yes, I'm looking at Amendrent #2 that was adopted, and specifically at page four line fourteer which is right in the middle of a subparagraph... subparagraph 7(e). Amendment #3 then purports to amend the Fill by providing that on page 14 line 14 the following. Those two taken together make absolutely ac sense. The Eill would read, if you adopted Avendment #3, that proceedings are commenced and continues only during the, blank, blank, blank, Section 2 and then et al."
"Thank you, Hr. Johnson. The Chair rules that the Amendment is in order because Amendment #3 refers to an Atendment of the Bill not the Amenduent of Amendment #2. The Amendment is therefore in crder."
"Then to the... to the Amendnent which dramatically alters the farfose of the Pill. Nchody questions... I don't question, and Representative EcCracken and Erummer, I don't think, question the child support as a... as a other obligation, in fact more se as an important obligation. But this Amendrent is so broad and the consequences of this Amendment so deep that it would really eliminate in many cases the purpose... the purposes of a set... of a trust, because this Arendment would not coly be prospective in nature but retroactive in nature and could, for example, affect a testamentary trust where an individual died and left property to his or her divorced son or daughter never having any intention that the corpus could be invaded for anything and have that purpose totally abrogated by the adopt... by the adoption of this Arendment. We're not talking here about a judgment creditcr being a nonpaying mother or father. We're talking akcut the rights and the ability of a testator or the settlcr of a trust to create a trust and be able to have some reliance that the purpose of the trust will be carried out. And to be able to invade 90 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1964 that trust, not just the income of the trust, which can te done now, but the whole corpus and principle of the trust really works absolutely against everything that anybody in here, including Representative Greiman, had ever been led to believe or thought was the purpose of... of trust law. If you want to put an Amendment on it, although I don't think it's necessary, to allow inccre tc be paid over or attached as it's paid out of a trust that's okay. Eut that's not what this does. And I think that there's a number of cases, and this so dramatically changes the law that our staff really hasn't had a chance to research those cases that would clearly say that the application of this Amendment to existing trusts to testamentary or inter vivos trusts in a number of circumstances would be unconstitutional. I think it's a good statement of principle, but when you're applying it in this fact situation it absolutely makes it nonwcrkable."
"There being nc further discussion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman, tc close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker... Madaw Speaker. Contrary to what you have heard, the majority view and that part of the restatement of trusts provides to the contrary of Illincis law, so that in most states a beneficiary who owes a duty of child support to his children carrct evade that by hiding behind a trust. I suggest to you that the claim of support of children transcends contractual cbligations. These are not obligations that we cwe because the beneficiary has got into SODE crazy deal. These are obligations to support ones children. Representative Brummer suggests that there is another remedy, that the remedy would be that be beneficiary could... excuse me, that the beneficiary could be... could be picked up for contempt if he did not pay the child support for which he 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 was liable. But to the contrary, in the recent case of 'Matt' versus 'Matt' in Illinois that was the genesis of this Amendment, the defendant in that case, the beneficiary of that trust was in hiding, and the court found him in hiding so that he could not be held for contempt. But yet the trustee continued to send checks to that beneficiary. So we have the... situation of a person who is receiving the benefits of a trust and not paying his child support. I think that's against the public policy of this state. The public policy of this state should be that people should pay their child support, that they ought not hide behind any kind of trust situation. That is the majority view. It is the view in the restatement of trusts, and I suggest that it should be the public policy of Illinois."
"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #3 to House Bill 2670. That is the question. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Daeagher. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 37 voting 'aye', 51 voting 'no' and 15 voting 'present', and this Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On page 11 of your Calendar appears House Bill 2699. Representative Dunn. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2699, a Bill for an Act to amend the County Jail Good Behavior Allowance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"None."
"Third Reading. Appearing on your Calendar on page 13 appears House Bill 2873. Representative Radigan - 92 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 Nash. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2873, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. This Bill has been read a second time previously."
"Are there any Floor Amendments? We are waiting for the Bill to come down from the Bill Room, Representative Nash. It will be here momentarily."
"Amendment #1 was withdrawn. Floor Amendment #2, Nash, amends House Bill 2873 on page two line fifteen and so forth."
"Are there any Floor Amendments? Are there any Motions? Excuse me. Floor Amendment #2, Representative Nash."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I ask leave to amend Amendment #2 on its face on line two to underline the word 'thereof'."
"Does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing no objections, the Gentleman has leave. On the Amendment, Representative Nash."
"Amendment #2 is the same as Amendment #1. They're technical in nature. I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2873, and on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2873 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On your Calendar, on page 14, appears House Bill 2899, Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Bill." 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"House Bill 2899, a Bill for an Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Ccde. of the Bill. No Committee Arendments."
"Are there any Flcor Abendments?"
"NODE." May 10, 1984 Act to amend
Second beading Speaker Breslin: "Third Reading. On the Order of... On Fage 16 on your... in your Calendar, House Bill 3068, Representative Vinson. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 3068, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading cf the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Corrittee."
"Are there any further Amendments?"
"No Motions relating to Amendment #1. No Floor Arendaents."
"Third Reading. On the Shczt Debate Calendar, page four, appears House Eill 2905, Representative Deuchler. Representative DeuchlerΙ. Clerk, read the Eill."
"HOUSE Bill 2905, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Devenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Arendrents?"
"None."
"Third Reading. On the same page, page four, appears House Bill 3127, Representative Hannig. Representative Hannig. Well take this Bill out of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, on the... your Calendar page 20 appears House Bills Third Heading Short Debate Calendar, and the first OD that Call is Equse Bill 2325, Representative Ronan. Out of the record. House Fill 2428, Representative Oblinger. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2428, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois fublic Code. Third Reading of the Bill." 94 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Eepresentative Oblinger."
"Madan Speaker, Members of the General Assembly, this is the Bill to prevent a capitation on pharmaceuticals by the Department of Fublic Aid. The reason for this Bill is that a number of states have already gone to capitation and found out two things have resulted: #1) The administrative costs have far exceeded what they expected and they are now withdrawing from this program. Secondly, with a capitation, which I hope all of you understand is nct a cap, has given the services to those people who are most well instead cf to the people who are ill and who really need this help. And I would appreciate an 'aye vote."
"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 2428, and on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2428 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is Third Reading. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Bith leave of the Assembly, we will go back to Representative Ronan's Eill, first on the Call, House Bill 2325. Representative Egnan."
"Thank you, Mr. (sic Madam) Speaker and Members of the House. Ecuse Bill 2325 was criginally a Eill dealing with the Illincis Infrastructure Bank Act; however, I joined with the Speaker on that Bill so what happened was that I was approached by the Department of Adainistrative Services who asked me to change part of the statute. We amended the Bill in Committee, struck all the provisions dealing with the Infrastructure Bank Act, and basically what this is it's an administration Bill for the Department of 95 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 Administrative Services, the Central Management Services System dealing with telecommunication charges between State Government and local educational units. It's basically a need to clean up this issue in the statutes. I'll be glad to answer any questions anyone might have."
"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2325, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved for passage of House Bill 2325, and on that question, is there any discussion? Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2325 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2538. Clerk, read the Bill. 2438, excuse me."
"House Bill 2438, a Bill fcr an Act to amend the Illinois Nursing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Ronan."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2438 amends the Illinois Nursing Act. What it is, it's a long overdue piece of legislation dealing with redefining the role of nurses in society today here in Illinois. We've seen a tremendous amount of specialization going up in the nurse industry... nursing industry over the last decade, and what we're trying to do is amend the Act so that nurses who are operating out there in the... in the state have the opportunity to be protected in their job and at the same time provide much needed 96 STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 health care services. It's an opportunity to bring the Nurses Act into the modern syster. It's an important piece of legislation. I've worked with other groups interested in the legislation, including the Illinois State Medical Society. It appears that we've got unanimous support for the legislation, and I urge its adoption. I'll be glad to answer any questions anyone might have concerning the Bill."
"This is... This Bill is cr the Order of Short Debate. The procedure is that there would be ODE person recognized in support and one Persco recognized in opposition. Are there people rising in opposition to this Bill? Representative Friedrich."
"Well, IF not SUIE what category I'm in. I just wanted to ask a question."
"Fut your question please."
"My guestion is to the Sponsor, would this require the Department of Registration and Education to create NEW license categories for nurse specialties? And if so... ay analysis says that. My guestion wculd be, I guess, if that's true and what it... would it cost?"
"Representative Ecnan."
"The Department of Registration and Education has signed off on the legislation. They don't feel there's any fiscal impact at least tc my knowledge. They haven't voiced anything in the discussions with the... with the Nursing Association."
"Representative Tuerk."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"The Gentleman will yield to a guestion."
"You... You mentioned that this has unanimous approval. The last word I had that there was... this was somewhat cf a controversial Bill. Has there been SOME arrangement 97 117th Legislative Day reached?" STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE May 10, 1984
"There's... Bepresentative Tuerk, every interested party is in support of this legislation. I got it out of the Health Committee 15 to nothing. You knCW how that Committee operates. Bills don't pass cut 15 to nothing if there's opposition."
"You're saying there's total agreement among the various groups."
"Every group that... that was in Committee that day, and that involves every group dealing in the health care field, supports the legislation."
"Is there any further discussion? There being Ronan: no further discussion, Representative Ecnan to close." "It's about time that we move the nursing profession the 20th Century. It's a Bill that a few years ago was controversial. to We weren't able to reach agreements with other groups. This year we worked a little harder on it. We've got the agreements. a favorable Roll Call." I move for
"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2438 pass?' All those in favor vote aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. The Clerk will take the reccrd. Representative McAuliffe, for what reason do you rise?"
"To be recorded 'aye' on this oΠΕ. My key is not in the switch."
"Representative McAuliffe asks leave to be voted 'aye. On this question, counting Representative AcAuliffe, there are 112 voting 'aye", none voting 'no' and none voting present". This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?" "MI. Speaker, a... Madam Speaker, I apologize, SGREone 98 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIΡΤΙΟΝ ΣΕΒATE May 10, 1984 is passing out notifications which affear to come from the Clerk's Office of the House of Representatives signed by Representative Cullerton which indicate to Fill Sponsors that pursuant to Rule 32, House Bule 32, a fiscal note has been requested on Bills. The one I'm particularly looking at is House Bill 3097, but I know a sheaf of those have been passed out in Representative Cullerton's effort to get fiscal notes. I would call the Chair's attention to the fact that House Rule 32 deals with, and 1 guote, "When a Senate Bill is delivered to the Clerk of the House, he shall report the Bill and the message accompanying it to the House at the earliest opportunity. It shall then be placed upon the Order of Senate Bills First Beading.' There's nothing in Rule 32(a) that deals with fiscal notes, and I would like Representative Cullerton to make it clear to the Body or for the Clerk to what it is that he wants them to do pursuant to Fule 32(a) sc that Members are not misled and confused."
"Gould you bring that notice to the podium, Representative Vinson? With the permission of Representative Vinson, we will go co to the next Fill CD the Call while we discuss this matter. That Fill is House Bill 2540, Representative Terzich. Representative Greiman in the Chair. House Bill 2438 passed, and we are now on the Order of House Bill 2540, Bepresentative Terzich. Would the Clerk read the Eill? 2540."
"House Fill 2540, a Bill fer an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Third Beading of the Fill."
"The Gentleman from Cock, MI. Terzich."
"Yes, Br. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in the last Session the Pension Code for the metropolitan sanitary district was... the formula was changed, however, 99 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE May 10, 1984 in the provision that it didn't make any provisions for a change in the reciprocal arrangements of someone transferring from one employer to another. Under the present Bill, the employee would have the option cf using the old retirement annuity formula or the new che, and only those employees who had previous service under the public employer would find it advantageous to use the old retirement formula. The cost aspects involved with the Bill would te relatively minor since only those employees who are receiving a proportional pension under the Retirement Reciprocal Act would be effected. This Bill was presented to the Pension laws Commissico. It did receive their approval, and the cost is minor because it only involves a few employees that would use the Reciprocal Act. And I would urge your support of House Eill 2540."
"Mr. Terzich moves for fassage of House Bill 2540, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Fill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting aye", those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mrs. Alexander, do you wish to explain your vote? Have all voted who wish? Lave all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 87 voting aye, 14 voting no, 4 voting present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional čajority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Vinson, with respect to your inquiry, the Clerk will explain. Mr. LeoDE."
"On behalf of the Clerk, the fors that was sent down from the Bill Room is a form that was used last year. We temporarily ran out of forms, I telieve, tcday ΟΣ yesterday, and were using ac ald for that said notification to the Members, and the rule number is incorrect on that form because it was last year's rules that it was applying to." 100 STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEБАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Yes, the Gentleman from Dehitt, Mr. Vinson."
"In that case, all of those forms then are invalid. Is that correct? I mean, I wouldn't have so much concern about this if it were not that WE ΝΕΙΕ dealing with a Member who's familiar with the rules. And I just think that all the other Members who have had those reguests filed on them cught to at least know what their status is."
"Br... Yes, Mr. Vinson, the request is in proper form, the request for the fiscal actes, so that the fiscal note reguests remain. This is an informational for issued by the Clerk's Office and delivered to the... to the Members to advise them that there is, in fact, a fiscal note request. Accordingly, the original request for the fiscal note does respond to cur rules, and the fiscal notes will be honored and recognized. The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Cullerton."
"Would you please recognize Representative Vinson for an apology?"
"Mr. Vinson."
"I want to make sure I understand the gist of the ruling. What ve NOW ruled is that a regrest in substantial compliance with the spirit of the Fiscal Note Act will be honored by the Chair?"
"Mr. Cullerton."
"Let me respond to Hepresentative Vinson. Representative Vinson, there's a form here called a pension impact note which you... or a fiscal acte, all of the same language On it. It says, Pursuant to House Kule 34, I hereby request... et cetera. That's the form that I signed. That request cites the proper number. Apparently after that request is signed, the Clerk then, as an informational service to the Members, sends out another form to each Member indicating that a request was made. 101 STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 Now apparently those forms care from not last year's rules if I could correct the Assistant Clerk, but from last Session's rules when we had temporary rules. Remember that Session when you were in control and we didn't adopt any permanent rules? Those were temporary rules, and that was temporary Bule #232. That's the old fore that they're using. So I believe that what we're saying is that when a Sponsor... when a Member wants to request a pension impact note what's important is his reguest cite the proper rule, and that's what my reguest did."
"Alright. Mr. Vinson, the Chair has ruled that the fiscal note request is in proper form and does cite the appropriate Section of our rules. The notice to the Member from the Clerk's Office is not required by our rules and goes under the heading of No gacd deed deserves to go unpunished. Accordingly, Mr. Vinson, I have ruled that... made the ruling, and I think we can proceed. Cn the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Shcrt Detate, appears House Bill 2554, Mr. Bea.. Mr. Fea, 2454. I'm sorry, 2554. MI. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2554, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Ccal Technology Development Assistance Act. Third Reading of the Fill."
"The Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Rea."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Fouse. HOUSE Bill 2554 amends the Coal Technology Development Assistance Act. And what it does... Well, last year se estaklished a new program for coal research and development projects which are administered by the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. and the Bill makes two grants available for coal research and demonstration projects. The funding source cores from the Public Utilities Fund, and the purpose of House Bill 2554 is to raise the maximus balance 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 of the Fund to 20 million to assure that the Coal Technology Development Assistance Frogram is sufficiently funded. I think this comes at a time that is extremely important with the acid rain legislation that is pending in Washington, and any type of acid rain legislation is going to seriously affect the use and burning of Illinois coal. We need to raise that cap. It will act affect the rate, but will only... the amount that сап go into the fund within a year, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"The Gentleman from Franklin noves for passage of House Bill 2554, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign. No. There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Fill pass?* All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote '00". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 93 voting'aye', 14 voting 'no", 2 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, House Bill 2567, cut of the record. On that Order appears House Fill 2576. Mr. Terzich, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Pill 2576, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Folice Training Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Terzich.
"Yes, Er. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2576 amends the Illincis Folice Training Act to extend its training requirements to county... full time county correctional officers. Under the present law, only full time peace officers employed by local government undergo basic law enforcement training. The funding for this program is derived frca a percentage of revenue set 103 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 aside from fines levied at... in criminal cases. It received a substantial, you know, 16 to nothing vote, and I'd appreciate your support."
"The Gentleman from Cook has moved for passage of House Bill 2576, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this... On this Bill, there are 106 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2657. Ms. Earnes, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2657, a Bill for an Act to amend the Capital Development Bond Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Earnes."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2657 amends the Capital Development Board bond authorization levels, increases the total bond authorization by 69.8 million. The bond authorization reflected in House Bill 2657 is only for the level of expenditures presented in the Governor's budget, and it addresses education, corrections, conservation, public health, state facilities, port districts, water resources, private health education, food, product research and library grants."
"Ms. Barnes, are you... have you completed your remarks?"
"Yes. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."
"Ms. Barnes, the Lady from Cook, moves for passage of House Bill 2657. On that, is there any 104 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Br. Leverenz."
"The Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates that she will."
"How much is the total increase?"
"69.8 million. That's a 3.5% increase." Leveren2: "And you indicated that this would cnly COVED those projects included in the Governor's budget?"
"Yes."
"And it would not then include any project that you, or perhaps Representative Leverenz, or any other renter of the Appropriations Committee or Member of the House might have an interest in that was put on as an Amendment?"
"Not at this time."
"Then maybe we should take this out of the record and figure out an appropriate Amendment for it or some people will have some difficulty because they have an appropriation in one Bill and nc authorization here."
"I hear you. I'd be very happy to take the Fill out of the record."
"We'll take the Bill out of the record."
"Thank you."
"On the Order of House Bills Third Heading, Short Debate, appears House Eill 2678. Mr. McCann, are you prepared to proceed on that? Alright. Gut of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2692. Mr. Clsor, the Gentleman from Lee."
"House Bill 2692, a Bill for an Act authorizing the Department of Conservation to convey certain described lands to the Gregon Church of Gcd in Cregon, Illincis. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Clson." 01son: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the 105 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEME LY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 House, this is a conveyance Bill which authorizes the Department of Conservation to convey certain described lands... .37% of an acre to the Oregon Church of God in Oregon effective immediately. The genesis of this Bill comes from an issue that was raised with Director "Kinny" a year ago. He thought this could be done administratively. It wasn't possible to do that. We have the appraisals in place. All agencies have signed off on the Bill including the City of Oregon and Commonwealth Edison, who is the original dealer. We ask for a favorable vote."
"The Gentleman from Lee moves for the passage of House Bill 2692, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, so that we can be consistent, Representative, does this conveyance... is there an appraisal on file? There is?"
"Three appraisals on file."
"Oh, there's three appraisals. Could you tell us what the amounts are?"
"I'm sorry."
"Could you tell us what the amounts are?"
"Twenty-eight hundred dollars and 800 dollars. Twenty-eight hundred is the appraisal, and 800 dollars cost to..."
"And all three appraisals have the same amount?"
"Yes."
"Fine. Thank you."
"Thank you very much."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, *Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 106 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 100 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 7 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority... Yes, Mr. Fiel. Piel 'aye'. On this Bill, there are 101 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 7 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2693. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2693, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois State Auditing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2693 is one of the Audit Commission recommendations. It permits the Auditor General to conduct an audit of federally funded programs conducted by or through state agencies if the full cost of the audit or the additional audit work is reimbursed to the state from federal funds. And I would be happy to answer any questions. It's a way of us... It's a way of the state attempting to collect from the Federal Government for audits that we perform on behalf of the federal agency. Be happy to answer any questions. Ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"The Gentleman from Cook moves for passage of House Bill 2693, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2714. Mr... Mr. Fullock. Mr. Clerk, 107 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒATE May 10, 1984 read the record... read the Fill."
"House Bill 2714, a Bill for an Act to nake the State of Illinois Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday conform with the national Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentlewan from Cock, Er. Bullock."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2714 attempts to conform Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday in the State of Illinois to the national holiday. The national holiday, as you know, was passed in Public Act 98-144. Cr. King's birthday, if this Amendment... proposition is adopted, will STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 be a planting dedication ceremony of the Illinois State tree cn the east lawn of the Capitcl to commemciate Dr. Martin Luther King's 55th birthday. So each state capitol nationwide is participating in similar memorial plantings, and I would just encourage the Members cf this Ecdy attend. Thank you." to
Speaker Greiman: "Thank you, Representative Fraun. On the Order of House Bills Third Beading. Short Debate, Bill 2731. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill School Code. afpears House 2731, Third Beading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Stec2c." a Bill for an Act to amend the Steczo: et of "Thank you, dr. Speaker, Members of the icuse. House Bill 2731 provides equivalency certification for assistant regional superintendents employed in those offices as July 1st, 1984. This Bill deals with ncneducational types of offices or personnel who serve in those positions such as attorneys, accountants, cetera. I should also mention to the House that certain educational groups who traditionally have not looked favcratly upon this type of legislation such as the School Board Association, Ed Reg and school administrators have locked over this Bill. They find no problems with it, and I should mention that this Bill also received the unanimous approval in Committee by a vote of 16 to nothing. And I would appreciate the support of the Bouse."
"The Gentleman from Cook has moved for passage of House Bill 2731, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting "aye', those opposed vcte 'no'. Voting is now open. Eave all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? this Bill, there are Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn 105 voting 'aye', 1 vcting 'no', 1 109 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2735. Gut of the record. Cr the Crder of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2773. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2773, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I ask leave to return this Bill to Second Reading for purposes of a technical Amendment."
"The Lady asks leave to return House Bill 2773 to the Order of Second Reading for an Amendment. Does the Lady have leave? You have leave, and the Bill will be returned to the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Satterthwaite, amends House Bill 2773 on page one and so forth."
"The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this is simply clarifying language that was suggested by Republican staff so that we know exactly what the intent of the Bill is. I don't believe it's controversial, and I ask for approval of the Amendment."
"The Lady from Champaign moves for adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2773, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland. There being no discussion is... The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. 110 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. The Lady from Champaign. Yes. Leave to keep this Bill on the Order of Short Debate. Lady have leave? Leave is hereby granted. Ms. Satterthwaite."
"I would also ask leave for immediate consideration of the Bill."
"The Lady asks leave to suspend the appropriate rule to allow House Bill 2773 to be heard at this time. Does the Lady have leave? You have leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2773, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, House Bill 2773 would allow us to bring Illinois law into conformance with federal requirements. For when we show that we have, in fact, attempted to keep a family intact before removing that child from the jurisdiction of the family and currently that is done at the dispositional hearing. But the Federal Government has suggested that it needs to be done earlier in the process. This Bill would do that, allowing for that determination to be made at the shelter care hearing time and would bring us into compliance with those federal requirements. I would be happy to answer any questions."
"The Lady from Champaign moves for passage of House Bill 2773, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"Just... Just a question. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she'll yield for a question."
"I'm sorry. I didn't hear what you were referring to 111 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАЧЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 that the Federal Government requires to be done earlier than the dispositional hearing."
"Currently, the determination that there have been efforts to keep the family intact are keing done at the dispositional hearing time. The Federal Government believes that we should have it earlier in the process, and that earlier point would be at the shelter care hearing time."
"Is this now an element of a cause of action under the Juvenile Court Act?"
"I аш not avare that there is any... any particular action."
"This... Would it... Would it be more correct to say that this is a factor to be considered by the court in determining what is in the best interest of the child?"
"Yes."
"And would you agree also that shelter care hearings are provisional in nature? They're nct final judgaents under the Act."
"Right."
"why then is it inappropriate to consider as part of the final judgment this issue?"
"Well, it's not that it's inappropriate tc consider it at final judgment, but the question was whether it was appropriate to hold a child in shelter care for a prolonged period of time before the determination was being made that there had been appropriate attempts to try to keep the family intact."
"And if that finding vere not in the affirmative, would that deprive the court of jurisdiction tc hold the child at the shelter care hearing?"
"I believe that would be true. Yes."
"And would that also be true in the context of a 112 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day delinquency petition or not? No? Ckay. May 10, 1984 Well, that's... that's been amended out. I'm sorry. Ckay. Thank you very much."
"Yes."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All thcse in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Eave all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 102 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 vcting present, and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Kajority, is hereby declared... Mr. Huff 'aye'. Accordingly there are 10.3 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'BC", 1 voting present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Fill 2864. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2864, a Bill fcr an Act to amend the Housing Authorities Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw." House. and I a
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the This is Bill that would exempt veterans' educational benefits from being considered by the Housing Authority as income as it's now being done arcund Illinois, think this legislation is needed because if the veterans... when the veterans apply for the educational benefits it does not come directly to them. It goes to the school, and 1 don't see why that it should be considered as... as income by the Housing Authority. And I'm going to ask for a favorable vote on this legislation."
"The Gentleman from Cock #oves for the passage of House Bill 2864, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Fill pass? 113 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 All those in favor signify by voting "aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'... Currie "aye. 109... Currie and Greiman 'aye'. 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2883. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2883, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2883, I feel, is a very significant Bill. Perhaps the first reason why it's significant is that it's what I've been told is called an administration Bill. Since I've been here, I've always had a Republican Governor, and for that reason apparently, I've not been asked to carry what's called administration Bills. I don't really know what that means. I hope it means that it will get out of the Senate Rules Committee after we pass it here. I'm also... I'm cosponsoring this Bill with Representative Daniels because Representative Daniels and I were the Cosponsors of the Child Passenger Restraint Law that went into effect last year in July. This Bill relates to the Child Passenger Safety Law. In 1982 there were 27 children on Illinois highways who were killed who were under the age of five. In 1983 when our Bill was in effect for only half a year, the number of deaths was reduced significantly down to only 12. After that Bill passed, the Illinois Retail Merchants Association informed us that the sale of car seats increased three-fold. Now in the course 114 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 of the research on that particular Bill, I discovered that there was an insurance company in Michigan called 'League' General, and 'League' General Insurance Company had a policy of giving out free car seats to their policy holders. 'League' General purchased the car seats for cost. They were mailed directly to their policy holders if the policy holders indicated that they had a child in the appropriate age group. As a result of that program, the use of the car seats went from... approximately 16% up to 85% and, of course, the claims were reduced significantly for the insurance company. Now in an effort for... in an effort to allow this to happen in Illinois, we discovered that our Insurance Code precludes allowing rebates... giving out rebates, and this would be deemed to be a rebate. So what the Bill does is to allow for this car seat program to operate in Illinois. It doesn't require that an insurance company do it. It just allows them to do it. I would hope that an insurance company, take for example, Allstate Insurance Company, which is owned by Sears, could market and use this concept... this Bill to market their own insurance. Perhaps at a Sears store at a counter where they sell Allstate Insurance right next store to that counter they could have a big sign saying free car seats, and then when the people inquire as to how they get free car seats, the insurance company can inform them that if they were to purchase their insurance from Allstate they would get a free car seat. I think that this would be very significant piece of legislation in that it would provide car seats to people who just for some reason or another are not going out and buying them. I've talked to the Governor about this particular Bill. He's very much in support of it. I think that the... the main thing that this Bill will do is to save lives, and I'd appreciate your support." 115 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАЧЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"The Gentleman from Cook moves for passage of House Bill 2883, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Tate."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for just one real brief question?"
"Ee indicates..."
"Representative Cullerton, my simple request in the Insurance Committee last week was that all Members of the Insurance Committee would be put on as a Cosponsor of this fine piece of legislation. Has that been done yet?"
"I... I don't know. I think there's a form that has to be signed before the Bill passes, and I'd be happy to sign such a form right now before it passes. Mr. Speaker, the request is that all the Members of the Insurance Committee be added to the Bill as Sponsors of the Bill. That was requested in Committee."
"Well, we have a form to do that, and during the... I don't really... There's no objection if you want leave to do that, perfectly alright. Alright. Leave... Leave that those Members be added as Sponsors. Okay. Further discussion. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."
"I had a couple questions. I didn't quite understand whether this was an administration Bill or a Sears and Roebuck Bill."
"Hopefully it will be both."
"Yeah, well, I didn't know that all the insurance companies don't have a Sears and Roebuck store next door, and I thought it might get a little complicated. The other thing was, I was not aware that insurance companies could not now give a credit for this thing. Is there a prohibition of giving... against insurance companies giving credit? I didn't know about it if there was." 116 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Bight." May 10, 1984
"So, what if there isn't any prohibition would do you accomplish? I'm trying to figure it cut."
"Well, first there is... there is prohibition, Representative Friedrich. There is a fichibition."
"Against giving credits?"
"The... The Insurance Code Frohibits insurance companies from offering rebates to purchasers of insurance policies."
"I'm not talking about retates. I'm talking about credits or... This would be a credit. It's what you're advocating, and that's not illegal now. It's done all the time for..."
"This is not... This is not a tax credit GI anything like that. This is... This allcas them to actually give... You want me to answer your question, ΟΙ are you going to..."
"Well, maybe I better refhrase it. There's a provision in the law now. There's G Frchibition of law for providing for a variation for certain things. You get certain variations if you have DC viclations. You get certain violation.... discounts if you are a certain age. There's all kinds of... There's no prohibition in the law for making a variation of the rate."
"Well, Representative Friedrich, if you lock at the Bill, the current law, Chapter 73, Section 151, line 11, it says that, 'No insurance company can give any rebates.' And the Director of Insurance informed me that he would rule that this would be a rebate, and sc he... he told re that there's a necessity for this Eill so as to allow this practice. And that's why I put the Fill in. If you don't object to the practice, you would... you would have to vote for this Bill in order for the insurance companies to do 117 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 it."
"Well, I am sure that insurance companies can make a variation in rate for certain... for certain things that you do, and I can..."
"They're not... They're not Ickering the rates. They're giving away a product."
"Okay. Okay. Okay. Then it is a Sears and Foebuck Fill. Thank you."
"The Gentleman frca Dekitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Thank you, Br. Speaker, ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Representative Cullerton's administration Bill, and to those Republicans who might view this with some suspicion or skepticism, I can assure you that despite your concern about ΣΟΠΕ administration Bills if Representative Cullerton would restrict himself to just handling administration Eills he'd do far less damage than otherwise. It's a good Bill. It's a Bill that will create a process which will encourage safety, and I think we all ought to get this one out of here. I would urge an 'aye vote on the Fill."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Earris."
"Question of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. Are we on Short Lebate?"
"He are on Short Debate. Thank you. Alright. Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Eill pass?' All those in favcr signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Fill, there are 110 voting 'aye', 2 voting "no", none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Najcrity, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Ecuse Bills Third 118 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day Reading, Short Debate, appears House Fill 2894. read the Fill."
"House Bill 2894, a Bill for an Act in May 10, 1964 Mr. Clerk, relationship to the sport of pigeon racing and carrier pigeons. Third Reading of the Fill."
"The Gentleman frce Winnebagc, Mr. Ciorgi."
"This is not a shell Bill. My next one's a shell Bill. This is a figeon dropping Fill. This is legislation by request of the Illinois Association of Racing Pigeons and Fanciers. And what it's trying to do is, I guess some of the municipalities are getting down on pigeon raisers, and howing pigeons and racing pigeons, and they're killing indiscriminately. And this has been a sport that's been recognized in this country for the last couple of hundred years, and they want a little protection in the law. It's a very mild approach to setting guidelines for pigeon raisers, and I urge the House to get rid of this Bill as soon as possible.."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, I would ask that the requisite number of people join with me to take this Fill cff Short Debate."
Speaker Greiman "The Gentleman... The Gentleman appears to have been joined by the appropriate number, and the Bill is an regular debate."
"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"He indicates he'll yield for a question."
"Representative Giorgi, I believe you distributed sowe literature in regard to this Eill."
"I thought it was... I'm very proud of the high class literature that you received. It was very well done, very expensive. I was amazed at the pigeon fanciers cowing up with such an elaborate and profound explanation of the pigeon... pigeen business." 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"And you also accompanied that with a letter."
"The letter wasn't my best effort, but I did."
"Now, would you explain to us why you think the letter wasn't your best effort?"
"Because whoever dictated it and typed it didn't centrally locate it on my stationery."
"I'm sorry. They what?"
"The people that dictated the letter and then typed it didn't... didn't mark the margins properly and centrally locate the message, so you'd... be easily read by people with a little bit of impediment in their locomotion."
"But you do... You do think the stationery was good stationery."
"It was pretty old stationery. I think it had my old address. I think the stationery was about 20 years old."
"But it was pretty good stationery."
"I thought that..."
"Would the Gentlemen confine themselves to the Bill?"
"This is very important, Mr. Speaker."
"You say it was pretty good stationery."
"I'd say some of the best."
"I think so too, Mr. Speaker. To the stationery, I would point out that on the stationery, and the reason I think it's..."
"Mr... Excuse me. Mr. Vinson, you know that you cannot use demonstrative evidence in the hearing in debate in this chamber. So don't use demonstrative evidence, please."
"Yes. And I will observe that rule. I will observe that rule. To the stationery, I would point out the reason why it's the best stationery is that it identifies Representative Giorgi as Assistant Minority leader, which 120 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 I'm sure he'll be next Session."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."
"I think pigeons are, as a general rule, are filthy, dirty, offensive animals. I... I like to kill then just for the sport of it. I... want to make sure that, and Representative Cullerton would agree, is there a... is there a knowing provision in there? I wouldn't want to kill one of these sporting birds, but killing a regular pigeon is a service to the State of Illinois. I want to make sure the knowing standard's in there."
"Alright. Further discussion? The Gentleman from Eureau, Mr. Mautino."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"
"Indicates that he will."
"Representative Giorgi, I'm informed that the Lockheed Corporation, a leader in techaclogy and space science, uses carrier pigeons to transmitted and to transfer very important messages. Is it... Is it your feeling that the pigeons do a much better and quicker job than the airlines?"
"Really, I should answer Representative Johnson's question before I answer yours, Dick. Representative Johnson... Representative Johnson, killing a pedigreed bird is only a petty offense. We're not going to put anybody in jail or create a rap sheet on you. Mautino... Representative Mautino, they are now experimenting with pigeons, sighting people that are adrift at sea for one thing, and the Lockheed people use it in the lower Los Angeles area because it's so difficult because of the traffic jams in the Los Angeles County area. They use pigeons between their plants. They have a half-a-dozen plants, and they kill hours of time in sending messages to 121 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАЧЕ 117th Legislative Day one another." May 10, 1984
"One final guestion then, Representative Giorgi. Since this is such an important endeavor, dc you happen to know if President Reagan has an appropriatico for these pigeons in the defense budget? It locks like they've got a real thing going here."
"I disagree with President Reagan guite often, but I think he would take this Eill and run with it."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Fr. Fierce.
"will the Gentleman yield to a question?"
"Indicates that he will."
"I see you're dealing here with the racing of carrier pigeons. Have you considered legalizing peramutual for carrier pigeons to help the hockford Exposition Authority and the other downstate exposition authorities that are in such bad financial shape?"
"Dan, if it wasn't that we're getting near the end of the Session, I'd take that as an Amendment to this Bill, but I need the Bill sc desperately in my district."
"I understand Representative Caffarelli is thinking this is a source of funds for McCormick Flace that RE have peramutual betting on carrier pigece races. This goes along with the jet fuel."
"I think the Assembly should know that Representative Pierce and I came into the Assembly together 20 years ago, and in our twilight years I think this is going to be my most outstanding effort."
"The Gentleman from Lupage, Kayor Earger."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and to the Bill. I know that this might seem bumorous to many people, but anyone who has been involved in municipal government knows the problewE that develop from pigeons and the various unpleasant things that they do to a community and the great difficulty in 122 117th Legislative Day one another." STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984
"One final question then, Representative Giorgi. Since this is such an important endeavor, do you happen to know if President Reagan has an appropriation for these pigeons in the defense budget? It looks like they've got a real thing going here."
"I disagree with President Reagan quite often, but I think he would take this Bill and run with it."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce.
"Will the Gentleman yield to a question?"
"Indicates that he will."
"I see you're dealing here with the racing of carrier pigeons. Have you considered legalizing parimutuel for carrier pigeons to help the Rockford Exposition Authority and the other downstate exposition authorities that are in such bad financial shape?"
"Dan, if it wasn't that we're getting near the end of the Session, I'd take that as an Amendment to this Bill, but I need the Bill so desperately in my district."
"I understand Representative Capparelli is thinking this is a source of funds for McCormick place that we have parimutuel betting on carrier pigeon races. This goes along with the jet fuel."
"I think the Assembly should know that Representative Pierce and I came into the Assembly together 20 years ago, and in our twilight years I think this is going to be my most outstanding effort."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mayor Barger."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and to the Bill. I know that this might seem humorous to many people, but anyone who has been involved in municipal government knows the problems that develop from pigeons and the various unpleasant things that they do to a community and the great difficulty in 122 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 getting rid of the birds. NOW this Frchibits EVER home rule communities from having zoning laus that have been in effect for many years forbidding the keeping of pigeons. We have laws in the local communities that forbid the keeping of bees because they are annoying. Dogs and cats are allowed and SO are fish, but this comes under the heading to most people of farm animals, and under the heading of other people and rates right along with rats and other types of vermin as totally undesirable in a municipal community. I think putting this kind of restriction on a statewide basis is extending the state's authority in areas where we actually shouldn't try to take jurisdiction. NOW I see no objection to people who live on farms or in rural areas from having pigeons. I see no oljection if a local community wants to allow pigeons they shouldn't be allowed to. But to force these absolutely filthy animals upon people who don't want them is an invasion of their rights, and it is something that very definitely should not be an action of this Board (sic House). Thank you, Gentlewen and Ladies."
"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."
"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman from St. Clair moves the previous question. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed "nay'. In the crision of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. Representative Giorgi to close."
"Mr. Speaker, 1 think that the only guestions that should be answered are the questions raised by Mayor Farger on his remarks. Now, Mr. Mayor, this is exactly why this Bill is... is in the House is because of the attitude taken by some municipalities, townships and counties. Now this Fill only applies to carrier pigeons or racing pigeons. The zoning laws of a local Kunicipality will prevail. The 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 building restrictions of a local municipality will prevail. The Health Department restrictions will prevail. You're... You're remarks were erroneous in that we're nct taking about the pigeon that's a nuisance. You can get rid of those pigeons that are nuisances. In this case, we're only trying to ask you to recognize pigeons that are raised by people that take pride in their sport, and are expensive birds and are accepted by communities all over the country, and I urge the adoption of this Eill."
"Thank you. I am advised that this Fill will require an extraordinary majority because it preempts the power of a hore rule community. The question is, *Shall this Bill pass? A11 those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nc'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all ycted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 84 voting 'aye', 25 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present, and this Bill, having received an Extraordinary Constitutional Zajority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Beading, Short Debate, appears House Fill 2898. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 2896, a Bill for an Act tc arend the Hospital District Law. Third Reading cf the Bill."
"The Gentleman frca Marion, Kr. Friedrich."
"Mr. Speaker and Members cf the House, this Bill originated in Vandalia where they have a small community hospital, and the present law prohibits anyone with a professional interest in a hospital from being OD the boazd. They feel it is important, in that particular community and I'm sure in some others, that a dccter be allowed to be сп the board if he is so selected. The Hospital Association is in support of this Fill, and 1 don't know anyone that's in oppositico. It does not permit 124 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 anyone who has a financial interest in it. I'd appreciate your vote."
"The Gentleman from Marion moves for passage of House Bill 2898. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nc'. Voting is now open. Have all voted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 102 voting 'aye', none voting 'go', 9 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2900. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears Ecuse Eill 2919. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2919, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to state revenue sharing with local governmental entities. Third Reading of the Eill."
"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, the 1970 Constitution eliminated the Perscral Property Tax. Subsequent to that, we provided for a replacement tax, and then subsequent to that, we found that some of the cities were not sharing the Personal Property Replacement Tax with libraries. And that was corrected a couple years ago. This Bill would do the same thing for township cemeteries and would provide that townships receiving Personal Property Replacement Tax would have to share it with the cemeteries on the basis of the proportionate amount. I think there's no opposition to it that I know of. ...Revenue Committee 14 to nothing."
"The Gentleman from Marion moves for passage of 125 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ May 10, 1984 House Bill 2919, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote no. Voting is now open. Eave all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 105 voting 'aye, 3 voting 'no", none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Cn the Grder of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 2946. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2946, a Bill for an Act to anend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Eill."
"Out of the record. Ог the Order... Cn the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Detate, appears House Bill 2952. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2952, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Clson." 01son: "Thank you, MI Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Eill 2952 is cosponsored by Representative Yourell and myself. It has to do with the subject of exit polling which has gained vide notoriety since the 1980 presidential election when it was quite properly alleged that exiting polling was the cause of the loss of two or three Democratic seats in the State of California. In the State of Illinois then, we have in cur respective counties received inquiries, suggestions from clerks that we might put our State Board of Election Laws with regard to exit polling in context with the matter cf scliciting votes. Sc as a consequence, what we do with 2952 is to prohibit any person from questioning or approaching for the purpose cf questioning any individual within 1CC feet of any polling 126 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 place for the purpose of determining the candidate for whom or the public questions for or against which the individual intends to vote, is voting or has vcted. We dc not think this is unreasonable. I think cst of you'll agree that 105 feet of 110 feet away from the polling place, as defined, would be a reasonable scurce of ability to make the polls. As a consequence, We culd ask for your support."
"The Gentleman from Lee moves for the passage of House Bill 2952, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, if you could just yield for a question."
"Indicates that he'll yield for a question."
"It seems to me, and I'll read the current law to you, No judge of election, poll watcher cr any other person shall in any primary or general election do any electioneering or soliciting of vates or engage in any political discussion within any polling place or within 100 feet of any pclling place.. So that's the current law. Isn't it already prohibited?"
"ke are not sure of the constituticnality of it. It is the opinion of those that made this recommendation to us that it is not prohibited as far as exit polling is concerned. There may be a constitutional test as to what determines where the polling place is. Is it the building or the room in the building? So we feel that it is not expressly prohibited."
"Someone has told you that exit polling is nct engaging in a political discussion?" 0lson: "Not prohibited... People have told us that exit polling is not included in the statutes of the State of Illinois as regard to poli... politicking or electicneering."
"But... And it's certainly not politicking or 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 electioneering, but it's certainly engaging in a political discussion, isn't it?"
"The determination has been made."
"Ey whom?"
"Ey the people who suggests to us, the County Clerks' Association, other interested people that people have been harassed going to and coming from the folls, are exhibiting a concern about even going to vote, and so they thought this should be clarified by statute and perhaps there'll be a constitutional test."
"Do you think there might be Some constitutional problems with this Bill right now?"
"There Bay be a constitutional guestion which has been expressed with regard to the definition of a polling place. Is it the actual cite of the poll or is it the building? That will still have to be determined."
"Would you think there'd be any First Amendment questions as to the right of free... restricted right of free speech?"
"е have received sore support from this froⅢ the newspaper media, and some of the television people are not too keen with this proposal."
"Do you think there's any constitutional problems... First Amendment problems?" 01son: "I would like to suggest there isn't, but maybe they should be tested in the court when it becomes law."
"Alright. Tha Thank you."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Eowman."
"Well, it sure looks like there's a constitutional problem to me. It seems to we the right of free speech is extended to the right to ask a person a guestion, and... and that's what's at issue here. I think it is patently 128 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 unconstitutional and urge a "no" vote."
"The Gentleman from Macct, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Just for my own clarification, is it... under the concept of this legislation, is it permissible to take an exit poll so long as you're more than a 100 feet away from the polling place?"
"John, someone was speaking to me from the..." Dunn, J.: "If a... If a voter comes out of a booth and gets more than a hundred feet away from the voting... from the polling place, can a... can they be approached for the purposes of an exit poll?"
"Absolutely. No problem with that." Dunn, J.: "Your... Your Bill then only is geographical. It just says you have to stay a 100 feet from the polling place, and outside that range you can do whatever you want."
"That's absolutely correct." Dunn, J.: "Thank you.."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree that there appear to be First Amendment problems here. I really don't think the prohibition on polling is rationally related to free elections, free and unbiased elections, fair elections, and if it is not so related, I think it clearly is protected by the First Amendment. I don't think the 100 feet protects it, and I think the reason you find this split in the media is because television benefits by the polling and the newspapers do not. So to the extent the media's split, I would submit they are no authority on the subject, and I... I have grave reservations about it. I just don't think it's related to any legitimate state interest, and it infringes on the First Amendment."
"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Olson to close." 129 STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day
May 10, 1984 "Thank you. I would just reiterate the comments that have been made relative to the proposal for this legislation. All of us are candidates. We have been candidates. There's a strict prohibition about electioneering within 100 feet of the polls. I don't think the citizens of the State of Illincis should be harassed on their way in or their way out of the poils, and I don't think a 100 feet is an unreasonable length. Thank you very much."
"The question is, 'Shall this Fill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Eave all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 84 voting 'aye", 19 voting 'no', 8 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Cn the Cider of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears Bill 3029. Mr. Rea, you wish to proceed with that? Cut of the record. Cn this Order of Business appears House Bill 3065. Mr. Ewing, 3065. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 3065, a Fill fcr at Act in relation to tax collection and tax delinquencies. Third Reading of the Fill."
"The Gentleman frce Livingston, MT. Ewing."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is part of a three Fill package of the Governor's STEE Program, which stands for Stop Tax Evasion Program. This Bill deals with certain changes in how the Department of Revenue will handle wage deduction crders, levy against bank accounts, seizure of property and suspension of professional and trade licenses from those people who сые taxes... back taxes to the State of illincis. This Bill came out of the Revenue Committee with DC dissenting votes." 130 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"The Gentleman from livingston has moved for passage of House Bill 3065, and cn that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. C'Connell."
"A question of the Sponsor."
"Indicates he'll yield fcr a guestion."
"You indicated that it affects it. Can you describe how it affects it?"
"In the past, they have worked these deduction orders, levies and seizure of property through the sheriff's office. This will allow the Department of Revenue or the Department of law Enforcement to do these directly. In many cases, the sheriffs have been reluctant to cooperate with the Department in these activities."
"Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "I ask leave..."
"Mr. Dunn, just ask a question, and we're going to... is the last one who's seeking recognition." Dunn, J.: "The question is, I was trying to listen to the discussion and really didn't hear it. I think the sheriff enforces these liens now, and this will change that, take that power away from the sheriff and put it in the Department of Law Enforcement?"
"It expands it so that the Department does not have to go through the sheriff. It doesn't take it away from him. It's not going to limit his power, but the Department will, if the sheriff doesn't want to, or they can, on their own volition, do it directly." Dunn, J.: "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill. I just don't know why we need to expand the powers of the Department of Law Enforcement. We have elected sheriffs who are elected back in our home communities, and they're charged with the duty of enforcing the laws, and if there's 131 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOOSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 a tax lien and a seizure to be made, I think they are the proper people to do it. I don't know that we need to have the Department of Law Enforcement come barging into... from the outside into our home communities. Cur local sheriffs know the people. They know when to use the velvet touch, when to have a firm... apply a firm hand, and I would respectfully urge the Members not to support this legislation."
"The question is, 'Shall this Eill pass?' All those in favor signify by vcting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Bave all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 84 voting 'aye, 17 voting 'nc, 9 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Or the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3066. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3066, a Bill fcI an Act to amend Sections of the Illincis Insurance Code. Third Beading of the Eill."
"The Gentleman from Eureau, Er. Mautino."
"Thank you very much, MI. Speaker, ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3666 is a resrite, technical and scue substantive language, to the changes we provided in Public Act 83-801 of last Session, which was House Bill 1134, sponsored by myself and hepresentative Tate.. This legislation does sore clarification as it pertains to the educational requirements, the cancelling of licenses, the provisions for partial payment to be assessed against the full payment of licensure, sets the minimum standards for... minimum standards for the requirements of a license and the provisions for suspension. We amended this legislation as well to include the bonding provisions for 132 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 the producers as well as the companies that an independent agent works for. I know of no cpposition to the legislation and ask for your affirmative vote."
"The Gentleman from Bureau has moved for passage of House Bill 3066, and on that, is there any discussion? There being ncne, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by veting 'aye', those opposed... Yes, Mr. Dunn? I'm sorry. Do you stand in opposition to this Bill? I remind you we're on Short Lebate." Dunn, J.: "I have a question. I may be in opposition. I don't know."
"Ask... Put your question, Sir." Dunn, J.: "The question... The analysis says that a producer шау not receive a commission deductible from the premium unless the insured signs a written memorandum to that effect. This appears to me to be a pretty significant change in the Insurance Code, and I wonder if those who sell insurance all across this state are in agreement with this provision. I would be mighty surprised if they are, but I have... I'd like to know."
"Mr. Mautino."
"In response to that, the individuals who sell insurance, the independent agents and the associations, who are in favor of this language which was intended to provide the legal protection for both the CODSUTΕΙ and the producers... the customers and the producers. There was no opposition to it, John. That's where it came from."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vate 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 3 133 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEЗАТЕ 117th Legislative Day voting May 10, 1984 *present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed.. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3067. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Fill 3067, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illincis Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Glson."
"Thank you, MI. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would reguest leave to return this Fill to Second Reading for purpose of an Amendment."
"The Gentleman ask leave to return House Eill 3067 to the Grder of Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is hereby granted, and the Bill is CD Second Reading. Any Arendments, Mr. Clerk?" 0lson: "The Arendment is being prepared, tr. Speaker. We'll bring it back at a later time."
"Alright. Well, ٤٥ the Fill will remain CD Second Reading. We'll prcceed on the Calendar. Second Beading, Short Debate. On the Order of Fouse Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Eill 3086. Cut of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3092. Qut cf the record. Cn the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3093. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."
"House Bill 3093, a Bill for an Act tc amend Sections of the State Employees Group Insurance Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Lady from Sangamon, Ms. Chlinger."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this allows the state insurance group to contract with EPO'S, which are preferred provider organizations, as well as with HMO's. 134 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 As an example, if there were three hospitals within a city such as Springfield, they could contract with the hospital that would give them the best deal, and AFSCME says this will be very helpful to all their employees. And I urge your vote."
"The Lady from Sangamon moves for the passage of House Bill 3053, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Fill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed 'no' Voting is now open. Have all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. This Fill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. I see that a former Menber, Senator Lechowicz, is gracing cur presence here today. Good morning, Senator. And... former Representative Smith is here at the well. We're being invaded, I see. On the Order of Ecuse fills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3094. Out of the record. On the Order of House Pills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bills 3095. Μτ. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Fill 3095, a Fill for an Act to amend ccomunicable disease Sections of an Act in relation reports. tc Third Reading of the Eill."
"Ms. Alexander, are you going to take that Bill? The Lady from Cock, Ms. Alexander."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Chief hyphenated Cosponsor, Representative McCracken, will help with this Bill also. To the Ladies and Gentlemen of this General Assembly, it is with great pride that I present House Bill 3095. Last year, with your help and your aid, a similar piece of legislation literally flex out of here, passed both Houses, arrived on the Governor's desk and was vetoed. 135 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 It was at that interim that the necessity and the in-depth portion of this Bill, which deals with the Communicable Disease Reporting Act and the detection of venereal disease in any minor under 11 years old was discussed over the entire summer. Persons who was interested in the violation of the confidentiality law care in, state's attorneys and various agencies came in, and during the summer month they worked very diligently to come up with House Bill 3095. At this present juncture, this Fill presently in its present form has the support of the Department of Fublic Health, the Department of Children and Family Services, the Cook County State's Attorney's Office and other law enforcement agencies. This is a compromise which has been long sought after, and I do hope that you will give us your 'aye' vote and pass this vital piece of legislatica."
"The Lady from Cock has moved for passage of House Bill 3095, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have ali voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Fill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Cn the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3116. Mr. Nautino. Out of the Record. Mr... Want to go with it? Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3116, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Fil1."
"The Gentleman frco Eureau, Kr. Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 3116 allows those vehicles that transport 136 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 handicapped ΟΙ mentally retarded children and adults from Facility to facility to use the regular safety provisions that are used ΟΠ school buses. Currently, those school buses used for transportation of handicapped persons on non-school activities are frahikited from using the stop signal are on those vehicles. This will allow them to do so under the same auspices and provisions of our statute as they pertain to school buses. In many cases, those young individuals and children go in front of the buses. They do with a regular school bus but, in fact, the vehicles don't have to stop. There is no opposition to the Bill, and I think it's a good LOVEREnt."
"The Gentleman from Bureau has moved for passage of House Bill 3116. Cn that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting age, those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aje', 1 voting go', none voting 'present', and this Fill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Pill 3126. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."
"HOUSE Bill 3126, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Heading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Winnebage, Mr. Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, this is the Bill that I referred tc earlier as being a Bill that's going to be used in the future. I got to get it out of the House and into the Senate. On April 16th, Governor Thompson appointed a 28 member task force on Illinois horse racing to review all the horse racing laws of the state, and the first task force 137 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY FOUSE OF BEEBESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION CERATE May 10, 1984 meeting's going to be held next week in Chicago with 28 members and people affiliated with the horse racing business. There are going to be four... six to seven Legislators on the Commission. I think this Eill is going to be used maybe a month from now when they come back with their reports, so I urge a vote for this Bill and send it to the Senate so that we can keep it alive."
"The Gentleman from Winnebage has moved for the passage of House Bill 3126, and on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Topinka."
"Yes, may I ask a question of the Sponsor?"
"Yes. He indicates that he'll yield for a question."
"Could you explain what this Fill does? Because right now, it doesn't look like it does anything to me, and that concerns me."
"That was my explanation."
"That's why I'm asking you. What does the Fill do?"
"Well, I think you're on that... you're on that Committee."
"Yeah. That's why I'd like to know what the Bill does."
"Well, the Bill is going to weight the results of your work so that we'll have a vehicle that is alive and viable so that we can put your work in the Bill, because it will be into the Senate. It has to go into the Senate. It has to be heard in the House for three days and in the Senate for three days..."
"This wouldn't happen to be a vehicle for other interesting racing ideas, would it, Representative Giorgi?"
"I think anything that your Committee will report could become a vehicle for anything. Any racing Bill could become a vehicle."
"Ch, I realize that." 138 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION LEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day
"... going to be used for." May 10, 1984
"Sell, I always appreciate ycur interest in horse racing, Representative Giorgi. That's why I thought I'd ask you what you had in mind for it." Giorgiz "Well, I think the Governor thought sc much of me that he put me on the Committee with you."
"Oh, I'm excited about that, too. Thank you So much."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?" A11 those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote nc. Voting is now open. Have all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 67 voting 'aye', & voting nc', 36 voting *present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3144. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Fill 3144, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Feading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Kane, Br. Kirkland."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill amends the Revenue Act of 1939 to reguire county collectors to deposit a specified amount of local taxes into a designated escrow account for the repayment of outstanding bonds when so authorized by the taxing district CT school district. certified copy of the taxing district or school district's authorizing ordinance must te delivered to the county collector within 10 days after adoption. The purpose of this Fill is to simplify fiscal procedures for local government, number one. Numter two, this should lead to creating a bit acre security in bonds that are issued under this circumstance which can attract A lower interest rates in the band markets. 14 to nothing out of Revenue Ccamittee, and as far as I This Bill passed 139 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 know, has no opposition and would ask for support. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Kane moved for passage of House Bill 3144, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'present', none voting... 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3161. Cut of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3199. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3199, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland."
"Thank you again, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill amends the Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. It provides that in computing the period during which the spouses have lived separate and apart, under Paragraph a (2) of Section 401, which, is the new irreconcilable differences paragraph, for purposes of dissolution, periods during which the spouses were living separate and apart prior to July 1, 1984, which is when the Bill goes into effect, be included. The purpose, basically, is to avoid conflicting judicial interpretations, and specifically, possibly a ruling down the road that might, by a court, might say that people separated for some continuous period up to the date of July 1, 1984, that that period would not be counted in the six months or two year period for separation. And again, 1 140 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 know no opposition. I think it's... it'll be a good Bill to clarify the law, and I ask for support."
"The Gentleman from Kane moves for passage of House Bill 3199, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnscn."
"It's my understanding that when we passed the provisions that this amends before that that's what the law was. There has been some question about it. I think that's what the law ought to be. I think that's what the law is, but I think this is a good effort to clarify a muddy area."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 104 voting 'aye', ε voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Bill 3209. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3209, a Bill for an Act in relation to monies owed the state and payments by state related thereto. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill has to do with recovery procedures instituted by the Department of Public Aid and is designed to aid in the collection of money owed to the State of Illinois. Its estimated fiscal impact in the positive way is roughly $8,000,000. The brief provisions of House Bill 3209 are as follows: It authorizes the Comptroller to reduce the payment to an individual by the amount the person owes the state. It reduces the parental liability 141 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 from 21 to 18 years old for all categorical programs when a client resides apart from the parents. It places a tine limit from the vendor's date of service in which the vendor must commence court action to receive payment. It provides that the Department of Public Aid may recover medical assistance payments from workers' compensation for those who are eligible. An original provision of the Bill provided for a reporting to the Department of Public Aid from the insurance community of people who are enrolled in health programs. That was auended out in Amenduent #2. Arendment #1 was a technical Amendsent. The basic reason for the changes... the change in parental liability from 21 to 18 would make the Department of Fublic Aid rules consistent with the limits of other agencies, as parents can now become liable for a portion of assistance for 18 to 20 year old children, even though the age of majority is 18 in most legal matters. I'd be very pleased to ansser any questions."
"The Gentleman from Lee seves for passage of House Bill 3209, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Eureau, Mr. Mautino."
"Will the... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates that he will."
"Representative Olson, shat is the rationale for the provisions cn social security that is enkcdied in this legislation?"
"The rationale for the... "
"The use in public knowledge identification as it pertains to insurance coverage, collection, et cetera, on using individual social security number of the members of the family as well included in this legislatico."
"That part was amended out, Representative." 142 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RE GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day
"Ch, I don't have the Amendment in front of me. Thank you."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Fill pass? All those in favος signify by voting aye, those opposed 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Fill, there are 106 voting aye, none voting 'no', 4 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional tajority, is hereby declared passed. On the Crder of House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate, appears House Eill 3211. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 3211, a Fill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman frckE Vermilice, Mr. Stuffle."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the Ecuse, House Eill 3211 provides for a program to be operated through the Illinois Office of Education to provide a system of grants to local public educational agencies who, in turn, will work with and already are working with private industry so that the private industries may have an incentive to provide technical expertise, the use of equipment, computers, and for training on site in plants in this state. A number of programs exist now, but there's no tax or other incentive for those entities to provide this service. So in conjunction with Representative Matijevich and because of the efforts of Representative Davis and others, these programs have been brought to our attention, so that this Bill provides for a system of grants subject to appropriation by us to work this incentive program with local businesses and local educational agencies. I know of no opposition to the Bill. It was amended in technical fashion to conform to the requests of the Office of 143 STATE OF IILINCIS 8.3RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 Education. It came out of Committee on a unaniscus 11 to nothing vote. It is a bipartisan effort to assist business and local educational agencies. The appropriation for this particular program comes from existing scurces of revenue, not new ches, and it is contained in the Office of Education's regular appropriation for categorical aid. And I would ask for your affirmative vote on House Bill 3211."
"The Gentleman from Vermilice moves for passage of House Bill 3211, and on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from Cock, Ms. Wojcik.."
"Mr. Speaker, it's not relevant to the Bill. I'd like to ask you if it would be at all possible - i inadvertently hit the red 'BG'... "
"Ms. Wojcik, at the end of the... "
"At the end? Thank you."
"... Session, as we're closing down, you might wake that inquiry. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Fil1, having received a Constitutional Kajority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Third Reading, on page 25 of the Calendar, under next Fill, appears House Bill 2592. Out o.f the record. On the Order of Third Reading appears House Bill 2609. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2609, a Eill for ar Act in relation to veterans' employment and to amend an Act herein nated.. Third Reading of the Fill."
"The Gentleman frce Winnebage, Mr. Eallock."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill has risen from my district where he had a problem. I 144 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 had a person apply for a jok of Employsent Veteran Representative I, and he was told in crder to apply fcr that job, he had to have one of three things: First of all, he had to have either two years of college; secondly, he needed either that or two years employment or two years in the wilitary. Well, as it turned out, this fellow bad a year and a half in the military, but he was shot in Viet Nam, therefore injured, and was tcid by the Department that since he was shot and honorably discharged but didn't have two years in, he couldn't qualify for the job. It seemed to me like a totally absurd situation, and this Fill is aimed to rectify that. What the Fill èces, in fact, say that if a person has served in the army or the military and been honorable discharged and prematurely before the two years is up because of an injury in ccarat, he therefoΙΕ has the two years in. That's all the Eill dces, and I ask for your support."
"The Gentleman frce Winnebage has moved for the passage of House Bill 2609, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, er. Cullerton."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"Indicates be*ll yield for a question."
"You still have to be on the eligibility list, correct... to get the job?"
"Bight."
"You still have to... you get an on the test?"
"Yes."
"And you still have to be a Republican?"
"Bell, see... Bell, only if we have an enlightened Governor."
"I see. Well, you better get him the job real quick, because pretty soon we're going tc have a Democratic governor." 145 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Fill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote *до". Voting is DOW open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted wha wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting nc', none Noting present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair asks leave to change the Order of Business and go to Eill... to Equse Pill 2369 on the Order of Third Reading. Does the Chair have leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"House Bill 2369, a Eill for an Act to create a Probation Challenge Frogram. Third Beading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Brockins."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemens of the House, I have the pleasure to present Frcbation Challenge. What this Bill will do is to set up a counseling and educational instructions for clients of the criminal... that are criminal defenders and provide them with additional educations and skills so that they car better face the world today as we know it. This Fill will cut down in tax savings because of the recidivism rate that has been proven by this pilot Program.. I ask for your favorable vote."
"The Gentleman from Cock has noved for passage of House Bill 2369, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Br. Jchnscn."
"A couple of questions for the Sponsor, if he'll yield."
"Indicates that he'll yield for a question."
"Yes"
"What's the annual cost of this Ercgram?"
"Roughly, $750,000."
"Is the Frogram implemented under your Bill statewide, or only for Cook County?" 146 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Only for Cook County." May 10, 1984
"And who pays for it? The taxpayers stateside, or only Cook County?"
"The taxpayers statswide."
"No more questions."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I rise in support cof this Fill. As you know in the last Session of the Ceneral Assembly, we allocated 58 million more dollars to build a new prison, and if you look at the budget of this Governor, it keeps on going up, and up and up with regard to prison costs. Now finally we have a program coming down the pike that in Cook County has done good work, and up until this tire, it's been really manned by vclunteers. And finally, you can only have volunteers working only so long. So they've core in for this experimental Frogram. I would tell ycu that Judge 'Pincham', who appeared... who is a Judge in the Circuit Court of Cook County in the criminal division, cne of the outstanding criminal court Judges that we have, саше down to speak on behalf of this Bill. He uses the program. The other Judges in Cock County in the criminal court use this particular program, and unless we pass this Bill, because of shortage of funds and because volunteers will not stay there forever, the frograr is going to go right out the window. So if we want to spend cur money wisely in the area of the crisinal justice syster, I think we ought to take a program like this when we have it. We ought fund it, and we ought to do the things that we should be doing in this area. And this is a good program, and it will, in the long run, save a great deal of money for the taxpayers of the State of Illincis. Sc I sculd urge a 'yes' vote on this particular Eill." 147 STATE OF JILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 117th Legislative Day
"Further discussion? Alexander. Ms. Alexander." May 10, 1984 The Lady from Ccck, MS.
"Thank you. To the Members of this General Assembly, I rise in support of this Bill for several reasons. I have before me a document dated 4-27-84, which I asked for this morning, that reflects that as of April 27th, there as scme 16,000 persons incarcerated throughout this State of Illincis, and that the recognized amount that is needed to keep these persons under incarceration is something like $22,000 per person. What were locking at non, and I know you, like I, who was here last year, remember the crunch with the Department of Corrections with regards to spacing, to housing, to the needs of new frisons, and what WE were getting back in return for Cur попеy was ncthing. Probation Challenge is an alternative to the sentencing problem. It has been recognized throughout various agencies in this state and in the United States as one of the ongoing things that will decrease the prison population. Who is that back there? Many cf you are wondering about the state paying for this... "
"Give the Lady your attention, please."
"Many of you are wondering about the state paying for this cost of this Program. Ibis Filct Frogram has been maintained by Chicago, but because of its rising costs and because of this utilization that could be used statewide, you are wondering about the state faying for it. well, you are paying for every prison now that's in the Department of Corrections, whether you come from a rural area, a faru district, or where you are cosing from, and you are paying $22,000 per person. This program, as we realize it, will only cost roughly about a little Letter than a thousand dollars per person that would be put into this Frogram. It will indeed save this state some money once it is totally 148 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY ECUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 implemented. Likewise, those of you who say that education is the key te many things, education is the key to rehabilitation. Education brings about an awareness of what you are, and who you are and where you should be going. And this Frogram I would TECOMECO to every Legislator here as one that you can be proud cf and will eventually be able to utilize in your cin community for the sake of this state and the ucrey that is being spent. Thank you."
"Further discussion? The Centleman from Mclean, Mr. Ropp."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates that he'll yield for questions."
"Lid you indicate how much money this was going to cost, or even know?"
"Yes, $750,0000."
"Is this a one time, or will this maybe go up to a million and a half next year and three million the following year, and on up?"
"Hopefully after you get the refort from the first year implementation of this Bill and, you see the cut in it, ve can move it then to a statewide situation, and I imagine if we or when we go statewide, we will need more money. Eut I guarantee you that we will be saving the state money, and that is the point, Mr. Hoff."
"Is... I guess it's somewhat caused me SOBE problem over the years that, as we continue to expand more money for probation, that the number of cases alsc seems to GEOW at almost a direct proportion, and since that is the problem, I wonder if we'd start to reduce all those costs if Our problems would alse similarly reduce."
"Mr. Ropp, when the economy change, that will change, as you notice that prokation and crime is related to the 149 STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 economical situation of the country and the state."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Fullock."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Brockins and Alexander et al are sponsoring House Bill 2369, which is a ncvel concept throughout the United States. It has been said before Circuit Court Judge Eugene 'Pinchan and Reverend Harold 'Bailey', who are with us here today, have not only developed this program to its maximum and fullest extent but are seeking to convey to the State of Illinois an alternative to incarceration and an alternative to exabragunt (sic exorbitant) expense on prison construction. Probation Challenge is in fact a second chance for the less viclent offenders. Frobation Challenge addresses a serious problem in Illincis as it relates to the growth in incarceration, which is big business in Illinois. It costs much less to give that second chance that Representative Brookins enunciated than to construct with bricks and mortars the prisons in our state. There are over 16,000 inmates in the State of Illincis. We have alternatives tc incarceration for those who are worthy of that, and this is one such program that's worthy of our support. The economy of scale, Representative Bopp, favor this proposition. The concept, I subsit to you, you is novel. The approach is worthy, and I would urge an "aye vote for House Bill 2369."
"The lady from Kane, Ms. Zwick."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I notice on шу desk when I'm considering this Bill the literature that's been passed out on it, and I was personally very impressed with the Frogram when I read about it and thought, gee, this looks like a wonderful Program. I'd like to look at perhaps voting for 150 STATE CE ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 this. And the front of the brochure says, 'Everybody deserves a second chance. NOW, 1 kelieve hat that's true, in all areas of the state, though. It seems to be very inappropriate that we would only be dealing with Cock County when we're dealing with a frogram like this. Traditionally, what we do when we set up programs like this to try them and see if they work and are worthshile is that we have several, perhaps, pilot projects throughout the State of Illinois, and I would probably... well, I would certainly support a concept like that to try it out, because I believe people in all areas of the state should have an option like this. Sc I would simply say to you that I think you have a very good idea here. I don't think, at this point, that I can support the Eill in this form unless you would consider dcing something to make it more of a statewide basis, so that we could try it that way."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Nr. Brookins, to close."
"Representative Zwick, you can te assured that I'd like to include you in this and will do so as soon as possible. With that, I present a good Fill to you, and I ask for a favorable vote."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed VOTE 'no', Voting is now cpen. The Lady from Cock, Ms. Eraun, to explain her vote."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, and particularly those Representatives who may share Representative Zwick's reservation about this program. You know, it's a funny situation. You're caught in a Catch-22 when you have a program that's as fine as this che and no where to start it. We have to start somewhere. This is a 151 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАЧЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 very sensible alternative to paying the $22,00C a year that it takes to keep scmebody in prison. It's a program that's worked, that's supported by the religicus institutions, by religious groups throughout the state, that has a real track record to develop. It deserves our support cn a nonpartisan, bipartisan basis. I would hope that some of our colleagues across the aisle would take a lock at this and not just vote red as a reaction to the fact that maybe part of the... the rest of the state is not included. It's true it's limited at this point to Cook County, but again, you have to start somewhere with a program like this. This Bill deserves your support. And particularly for those of you who are on the other side of the aisle, who are as concerned as we are about the burgeoning prisen population and about what it is that WE can dc in this state to rationally respond to these problems, I would encourage the additional 5 votes, 6 votes go up there so that this Bill can pass."
"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Bowman, to explain his vote."
"Thank you, Hr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It appears that there is sorE CONCEIN about the limitation of this Bill to Cock County, but indeed 1 think Cook County, being the largest county in the state, has contributed mightily to the prison population, and what we're trying to do here is to save money. If we had a program like this in place in Cock County, it would save taxpayers all over the State of Illifcis money because we would not have to continue this maddening upward spiral of increased prisen construction. It SEEMS to E that regardless of whether your individual ccunty is... whether this program is operating in your individual county, nonetheless, it is of benefit to you, and you should 152 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 support it in the interest of all citizens of the state."
"To explain his vote, Mr. Huff."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise voting 'aye' on this Bill because I think it proceeds along a logical conclusion when you consider the fact that 56% of these incarcerated prisoners come from the Chicago area. This is an attempt to cut down the recidivism rate, and believe me, Ladies and Gentlemen, if it's not going to work in Chicago, it's not going to work anywhere."
"Further discussion? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Brookins, requests a Poll of the Absentees."
"Poll of the Absentees. Christensen. Flinn. Hoffman. Klemm. Laurino. McAuliffe. Pargle. Rher. Konan. Younge and Mr. Speaker."
"On this Bill, there are 57 voting 'aye', 35 voting 'no', 15 voting 'present', and the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Brookins, asks that the Bill be placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. Returning now to page 25 of the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading House Bills appears House Bill 2615, Mr. Brummer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2615, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning public utilities. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Brummer."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. 2615 provides that construction costs of new electric generating plants and a significant addition to electric generating plants shall not be included in a rate base of any utility unless such costs are found to be reasonable, and that prior to including the costs of those plants and additions 153 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEEGESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАЧЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 in the rate base, the Commission shall conduct an audit to determine that the costs are reascnakle that WETE associated with the facility. It was kind of amazing that... to discover that we have these new plants go intc rate base with no audit, no comprehensive audit regarding the reasonableness of the costs associated with that. Cost is defined in the Bill. Reasonable is defined in the Bill also to include the utilities decisicis, construction and supervision of the construction underlying the cost of the new electric utility generating plant. And in determining the reasonableness, the Coomission shall consider the knowledge and circumstances prevailing at the time of each relevant utility decision or action. Re have, as Host Members of the floor know here, some major nuclear plants undergoing construction currently. Scre of these plants cost in excess of two and a half cr three billion dollars, I think cne is estimated to ccst, by the time it's concluded.. I think it is important that the consumer have some confidence that those large costs attributed to those plants, some three billion dollars, are reasonable. This not only authorizes but directs the Illincis Commerce Commission to conduct that audit, and if the Commission cannot conduct the audit, the Commission shall arrange for an audit to be conducted by persces indefendent of the utility and selected by the Coumission. The cast of that audit is borne initially by the utility ccmpany but is recovered by the utility company as an expense through the normal rate-making procedures. This Fill, I suppose, had its genesis somewhat in the Legislative Audit Commission as a result of a request by the Audit Commission to the Auditor General to examine the entire management audit... management auditing area. This Fill orly deals with the construction of plants and not overall management audit. 154 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 Then the Sunset Bevieu Committee examined this issue, had several hearings both here in Springfield and in Chicago, and there is similar legislation, I think, being considered in the Senate. I think it is a major fiece of legislation that should, hopefully, instill some confidence on the part of the consumers who ultimately pay these rates that the costs are reasonable. If, in fact, they are found to be reasonable and if, in fact, they are not reasonable, they would not go in the rate base. I would ask for an affirmative vote."
"The Gentleman from Effinghar moves for passage of House Bill 2615, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Euff."
"Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"
"Indicates that he will."
"Mr. Brummer, why is it that the utilities are not asked to consider raising revenues through the bond issue rather than always looking to the consumer to make up these costs?"
"Well, I think they do raise considerable revenue through issuance of bonds, but somehow they have to pay off those bonds and they pay off those bonds, by generating revenues from consumers."
"Okay. Very good."
"Further discussion? The Centleman from Bond, Mr. Slape."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates that he will yield for a question."
"Is there a provision in this legislation where a utility would have to initially prove that there is a demand for the plant in the first place?"
"I could not hear the question."
"Is there a provision in the legislation, or in your Bill, 155 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 where a utility would have to prove the need for the plant in the first place?"
"The... That is not specifically addressed here. This deals with the reasonableness of the cost of the plant itself and the reasonalleness of the management of the construction program related to the cost of the plant. So this Bill does not specifically deal with that issue."
"Okay. How do you define 'reasonable'?"
"'Reasonable' as used in this Eill means a utility's decisions, construction and supervision of construction underlying the cost of new electric utility generating plants and significant additions to electric utility generating plants resulted in efficient, economical and timely construction. In determining the reasonableness of plant cost, the Commission shall consider the knowledge and circumstances prevailing at the time of each relevant utility decision or action."
"Thank you STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 issue by at least one utility company. The Bill specifically provides that prior to including the cost of plants or additions to plants in the rate base, the Commission shall conduct the audit to ascertain that the cost associated with the facility is reasonable. The Commission indicated... The ICC indicated that there was no reason that they could not begin that auditing procedure prior to the rate applicaton being even filed. So it would be... it would be my hope that, you know, depending on the estimate of the length time necessary to complete the audit, that the... that the audit be completed by the time the plant is ready to go in rate base, assuming, of course, that the audit determines that the costs associated therewith are reasonable."
"Thank you. Given... Given those aspects on the legislative history, I have no opposition to the Bill."
"Further discussion? Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 township employees may be voted on at an annual or special town meeting instead of a referendum. Prior to the enactment of the Consolidated Election Law in 1980, electors had the authority to extend coverage to employees through the special or annual town meeting process. It was not fully recognized that the unique... uniqueness of the town meeting when the drafters of the Consolidated Election Law implemented it and certainly took away the electoral processs from the annual or special town meeting. I would appreciate your support for this Bill."
"The Gentleman from Lake has moved for passage of House Bill 2662, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading appears House Bill 2707. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2707, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Bowman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Many of you are probably familiar with the fact that nursing home residents receive a $25 personal needs allowance. Well, what you may not be aware of is that that $25 personal needs allowance has not changed at all in 10 years, in 10 years, Ladies and Gentlemen. And yet, the price of everything that we all have to pay for has increased dramatically over that time, and indeed, the Consumer Price Index has more than doubled in that... the 158 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFDESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 same period, so that we are proposing here to increase the personal needs allowance of nursing here residents from 25 to $50. This is a very modest figure and will permit individuals to buy things the simple things like milk of magnesia, or laxatives, or cigarettes or whatever personal care items shampoo and so forth, things that they need for not only their health but also their dignity. He, in addition, provide a new personal... $50 personal needs allowance for residents of public mental hospitals, which are facilities expressly excluded from coverage under current programs. We are doing this because a number of cases have recently COME to light where the elderly indigent who are living in nursing homes have not been able to purchase certain essential items. I will let пу Cosponsor, Representative Roser, descrike the situation in Canton, which was probably the most celebrated case. Eut if we were to enact this progressive legislation, we would be joining other states like New York, Wisconsin and Oklahoma in providing this kind of supplemental support, and I think it is high time. It came cut of the Committee on Aging unanimously, and I reccomend a unanimcus Foll Call at this time."
"... Bowman, have you concluded ycur remarks? The Gentleman from Cook #oves for passage of House Bill 2707, and on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from Cock, Bs. Topinka."
"Yes, if 1 may ask SOLE guestions of the Sponsor, please?"
"Indicates he'll yield for a guestion."
"Representative Bowman, apparently, co the congressional level, there is... there are already ovements afcot tc increase this program which is currently federally subsidized, and of course, if WE vent into it at this 159 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 point, the state picks up the cost. there is that program now on the federal level, and can we expect sore changes on that front, and if so, about when?"
"Well, I have a feeling that the change, if it's contemplated at the federal level... and yes, you're right, it is being contemplated; however, a lot of things get contemplated at the federal level that never get enacted into law. And it seems like an iron law of progressive... the progressive agenda that the ΠΟΙΕ useful, the Ποιε progressive it is, the less likely it is to get enacted into law by the Federal Congress. In addition, however, I think this Bill does something that the federal legislation does not contemplate and that is providing a personal needs allowance for residents of public mental institutions. I think that's very important, and regardless of what the federal law is, this would... is something we need on the... on our las books here in Illinois."
"And what is the cost of this to the state?"
"The cost is very easy to calculate, because currently, there are approximately 14,100 Illincis residents who are SSI beneficiaries living in nursing hores. A $25 increase for each of them would be 4.2 millico, and the $50 personal needs allowance for 2,100 mental health facility residents would cost 1.3 million for a total of 5.5 million."
"5.5 million?"
"Yes, Ma'am."
"Ckay. Thank you."
"Further discussion? Bepresentative McFike in the Chair. Further discussion? Bearing nc further discussion, Representative Eowman to clcse."
"Would you please recognize my Cosponsor, Representative Homer, for the closing remarks?"
"Representative Homer to close." 160 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th legislative Day
"Thank you, Mr. May 10, 1984 Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen. I'D pleased to see that there seems to he little dissent in Connection with this Bill. It's a fundamentally decent thing to do. The SSI Program was established for eligible aged, blind and disabled persons back in 1984 (sic), and the minimum allowance at that time was established at $146 for non-institutionalized individuals. That has increased over the years to 1984. It is $314, so it's increased more STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2732, a Bill for an Act relating to Metropolitan Exhibition (sic-Exposition), Auditorium and Office Building Authorities. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Greiman on the Bill."
"Mr. Speaker, at the request of some of my Cosponsors on the other side of the aisle, I ask leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of a... a technical Amendment."
"The Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 2732 to Second Reading for a technical Amendment. Are there any objections? Being no objection, leave is granted. 2732, Second Reading."
"Amendment #6, Karpiel - Wojcik."
"Representative Karpiel, Amendment #6."
"Actually, Mr. Speaker, I would like to table Amendment #5. I would like to table Amendment #5, which was put on in the House a few days ago."
"Is that... Was Amendment #5 your Amendment?"
"Yes, it was."
"The Lady moves to table Amendment #5. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #5 be tabled?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #6, Karpiel - Wojcik."
"Representative Karpiel, Amendment #6."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker... Mr. Speaker. Representative Wojcik is going to handle the Amendment."
"Representative Wojcik."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment is identical to #5 except for a correction in the introductory language, and this creates a Schaumburg Civic 162 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Center Authority. My home town." May 10, 1984
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #6. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. I don't know. There was a question. I think the 'ayes' had it, and the Amendment's adopted. You want a Roll Call on the Amendment? Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Greiman."
"Mr. Speaker, leave to have the Bill heard on the Order of Third Reading."
"The Gentleman asks leave for.. to waive the appropriate rules so that the Bill can be heard on Third Reading at this time. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, leave is granted. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 2732, a Bill for an Act relating to Metropolitan Exhibition (sic-Exposition), Auditorium and Office Building Authorities. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Greiman on the Bill."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1977, my community went through the heartrendering, difficult decision of closing a school. We closed a public high school, and the building was going to stand vacant. We... Some of the people in the community who were interested in the performing arts got together and developed a not-for-profit group called 'Center East for the Arts'. The... The school district provided us with a lease to the high school that was closed or portions of it. The village in which I reside, the township in which I reside, got together and provided the seed money, and we created Center East. Center East is a viable, active going center for the performing arts. We're 163 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 not looking for any charity. We're not locking for any bricks and mortar. We have a home. We have an auditorium. We provide our community, as well as the entire region in the North Shore, with an incredible array of performing arts. People from all over the country, all OVEL the world, literally, have CGEE to perfcia - the Mikado, the Vienna Boys' Choir, the Nutcracker Suite. We have a resident symphony orchestra. We have a youth theater. We have ballet. We have Mark Russell, the Smothers Erothers. And So, we are an active, ongoing thing. It is... It is the essence of what government is all about. We tock a closed school. We took people who cared in the community. We got seed money from the... fror the local village and local township, and we put together an incredible, incredible performing arts center. We ask... We are not looking for a building. We have no edifice cспрlех. We're looking, instead, for funds from the same racetrack funds that will be generated for other community centers to bring our audio, to bring our lighting, to bring ΟυΙ facilities up to the state of the art, so that we can continue to have motion pictures, Hollywood movies cche and he made there. It is a public authority. It is the pride and jewel of my community, and I ask that you approve us as a civic center authority. Thank you."
"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2732. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all vated who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Cn this Bill there are 79 'ayes', 28 'nos', 4 voting 'present' and House Bill 2732, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Eill 2750, Representative Giorgi. It amends the Intergovernmental Cooperation Act. You want to call the Fill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. 164 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIV TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day Representative Greiman in the Chair."
"House Bill 2750, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Intergovernmental Cooperation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Winnebage, Mr. Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker, in the creation of same governments ΟΣ in some units of governing boards, we've failed to provide for bidding and purchasing procedures. If the case that I ar specifically referring to, it's a case where the City of Rockford and the County cf Rinnetega built a building jointly, but there was no law that... nc provision for that governing board to have to bid and purchase according to established bidding procedures, and that's all this does. It establishes those bidding procedures."
"The Gentleman from Winnebage has moved for the passage of House Bill 2750, and cn that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 107 voting aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Eill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Eills Third Reading, appears House Bill 2766. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2766, a Eill for an Act to amend Sections of the Bevenue Act. Third Beading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman fror Macor, Mr. Conn." Dunn, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Fill 2766 is a Bill which would facilitate the orderly procedure to allow the township assessors to complete their jobs. As things exist now, through really DO one's fault, supervisors of assessments quite often are 165 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 not able to get their books to the township assessors in time tc complete their work by the April 15th deadline. The purpose of this Bill is tc frovide SODE relief to township officials who need to do the assessing work and to allow them to get their books back to the supervisor of assessments on April 15th or within 90 days after they receive the books, whichever applies, and I would request a favorable Roll Call. All township officials are in support of this legislation."
"The Gentleman from Paccr bas moved for the passage of House Bill 2766, and cn that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Eastert."
"Would the Sponsor yield?"
"fie indicates that he will yield for a question."
"Representative, under this piece of legislation, if the books were not given to the township assessor, or if he had 90 days after April 15th, what would basically... what would that do to the assessment cycle?" Dunn, J.: "You are the expert in that area. What this will do is it will improve the quality of the assessments, because at the present time, the township assessors, who were the ones out there on the firing line in the townships where I CODE from, are operating with workbooks which do not comply with the statutes which don't have egualizers in them, which don't have final figures. And, as a result, there are inequities in their assessments. This would allow for them to do their jcb in a thorough fashion so that when the books are returned they'll be in good order. It does not mean that they will have 90 days after April 15th. If the supervisor of assessments can get the books to the township officials January 1st, the Bill would reguire that they be returned 90 days from January 15th... January 1st of April 166 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION BEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 15th, whichever applies. So, they say be back the 1st of April."
"well, to the Eill, Hr. Speaker."
"Eroceed, Sir."
"You know, I recognize, Representative Dunn, what you're trying to do, and I represent... I understand the frustrations of certain assessoΙΣ, especially in Macon County with some problems of getting books or as you might use the word 'warkbooks'. Eut one of the problems that KE have in the State of Illinois is, there are no real uniform definitions of what books and workbooks are. In scre counties workbocks happen to be on what's on a computer tape, on a floppy disk. In cther counties, workbocks happen to be something else. And in other counties, workbooks happen to be computer printcuts. What we have to address, really, is the job of assessor is really a year round job, and the assessors are, under law, supposed to work on their books, whatever those books the assessment process throughout the year and not just 90 days after a specific time ΟΙ frcu January 1st to April 15th. Cne of the things we're trying to dc in a joint House, ncopartisan House-Senate Body, is to try to address this program... this problem and really the prcblen of the cycle. I suggest what might happen when we open the cycle up to the discretion of a supervisor assessor Gr the assessor in the extra 90 days is that tax bills get cut late, school districts get their tax collections late, extra interest then is put on, and tax anticipation warrants are let out and the whole process of local governsent, especially education, becomes much more expensive. I I suggested in Committee, and I suggest again, that instead of doing band-aid approaches to the assessment cycle that we take some time, 100k at the whole assessment process and the 167 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 cycle of assessments and address it in a comprehensive manner. I think we're letting, or opening a Fandora's box. We're opening problems up here for counties and muncipal governments, and county governments and especially schools that's going to be very, very costly, and I don't... 1 don't recommend passage of this Bill. I think the problem has to be addressed, but it has to be addressed in a comprehensive manner. So I would ask that you would defer on this Bill, and by the end of this Session, we should come up with a comprehensive piece of legislation that would totally address this... this piece of... this problem. Thank you."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Bond, Mr. Slape."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates that he'll yield for a question."
"Yeah. Do you make frovisions in this legislation for when the Board of Beview will meet if the assessor gets bis books late?" Dunn, J.: "There is nothing in this legislation which specifically addresses the duties of the Board of Review. As one of the previous speakers indicated, there are a whole series of steps which are taken in the assessment process by a number of officials. The purpose of this legislation is to allos township assessors to do their jot. Currently... "
"Ckay. That's good." Dunn, J.: "To answer your question, it has nothing about the Board of Review in this... "
"Do you change the date then that schcel districts have to have their budgets prepared?" Dunn, J.: "No, I do not, and again, if the local districts which receive tax revenues feel concerned, I think they will 168 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 10, 1984 address it to the township assessors. The township assessors will back pressure up into the supervisor of assessments, back into the Board of Review, and all the way back up the process, and I think that will happen to a greater extent with this legislation than it does without it, because the township assessors, at this time, are helpless to do anything. They have a mandate, but they can't work unless they get the tools to work with."
"How many... How many... How often does an assessor have to reassess his own... his whole township?" Dunn, J.: "Well, I'm not an assessing expert but at least quadrenially is my understanding."
"Every four years. So, in other words, all an assessor has to do in the other three years is add the new properties or take properties off that may be destroyed or improvements that have been made." Dunn, J.: "They have to... That is correct. They have to note the changes. Now this Bill was brought to my attention by the Decatur township supervisor, and the greater part of the population of the City of Decatur lives in Decatur Township. And there are a lot of people, a lot of parcels, and this is a bipartisan Bill, as a matter of fact, because that township assessor happens to be Republican. And he has a good point. He needs to do his work and needs tools to do his work, and all the township assessors that I know of and the township officials of Illinois support this Bill. And I think they have a good point to make. We need to address the overall problem, but at this point in time, we have to deal with what is before us, and this will help those who are right out there in the firing line."
"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill, please. To the Bill."
"Proceed, Sir." 169 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984
"It wasn't too long ago that Representative Wolf and myself introduced a Bill to put a stipulation that tax assessors had to have their books back into the supervisor of assessments by April the 15th. And the reason we picked this date was because it was a... we thought it was a median... it was the first change in that law since the Personal Property Tax Law had been repealed by the '70 Constitution, and it was an accurate realization that assessors really only reassess their township every four years. And also, it was really a... realization that assessors are not supposed to get a book from the supervisor of assessment and go out and start assessing and have it done by a deadline. It's supposed to be a long... a year-long progress... process whereby property that has been completed or that portion of it has been completed by January 1 is all that is really supposed to be entered in those books. The reason the legislation came around originally was, school districts were complaining that Boards of Review are not through meeting by the time they have to sit down and set up their budget. They don't really know what their assessed valuations are going to be. They really don't know what... if there's going to be a multiplier or not, and it put them in a bind when they tried to do their budgeting for the next school year. This, you know, all the General Assembly is doing is, we made an effort to try to correct, which was... has... I think Representative Hastert was right, that it was a band-aid effort to correct. Now we're repealing that band-aid effort, and nothing's really being done to see if the cycle will work and to see if property taxes are really the means to finance school education and other government. I think I would suggest that at this time, a 'present' vote, and let's leave the cycle alone and see how it works 170 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF DEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 out for school districts and other local governments."
"The Gentleman froe Madison, Mr. Wolf."
"Thank you, ΜΙ. Speaker and Menters of the House. 1 certainly agree with Representative Slape and Representative Hastert. We passed legislation a year and a half ago with regard to this same issue. We think that the Bill that was passed at that tive had the effect of straightening out the cycle and the picklems that the local assessors WETE having with local tax districts. I would suggest to you, along with Representative Slape, that a 'present' vote in this instance would be the proper vote."
"The Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard."
"Thank you, Hг. Speaker. I rise in support cf Representative Dunn's Fill. One of the main reasons is 正 one of the Sponsors of this. Cuite frankly, it does address a problem that was brought to QUI attention, certainly not only unique to Macon County, but in several other areas of the state, in which the supervisors of assessments in concert with the township ASSESScr association did draft this Eill. Ecth crganizations do support this Bill. We found that there were several counties in the state in which the supervisors of assessments was not giving the township assessors adequate time to prepare their workbccks, and for that reason, this Bill was drafted and introduced. And I urge your support for it."
"The Gentleman ficu Cook, KI. Keane."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in cfposition to this Bill. Senator Wolf... Sam Wolf earlier indicated that we changed this law a couple of years ago SC that не could have SOME uniformity. Much of this... Euch of the difficulty that's experienced in this area is because there 171 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 are differences between the township assessors and the supervisors of assessment, and in some cases, it's a clash of personality. I don't think, however, that we can wait 90 days... until 90 days after the books are turned in. That could be 90 days after the middle of August, which would throw the whole taxing structure into chaos. There is another Bill that's sponsored by Representative Bastert and I, 1375, which is hopefully going to provide some relief and lock mostly at the use of the previous year's EAV, which will allow taxing districts to levy against a known amount, that we will be having hearings on House Bill 1375 in the next few weeks. And I would ask that... I would ask the same thing that Senator [sic Representative] Wolf has asked, that is to vote 'present' on this Bill. Let the Bill either go down or stay in the House, and once we get a better feel of what the taxing districts want, after this hearing, we can come back and address it or amend it as it has to be. I would urge a 'no' vote or a 'present' vote."
"Thank you. Nice to have Senator (sic-Representative) Wolf with us today. The Lady from Dupage, Representative Nelson."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I join those who are in opposition to this Bill. Representative Slape, Representative Wolf, Representative Bastert and Representative Keane are exactly right. The problem here is a problem for our school districts in particular, because with a 90 day requirement in here that would only extend the cycle. We have, in the State of Illinois, a tax assessment cycle, and then there is actually also a taxing cycle. And anything which extends that cycle means that it is much more likely that school districts will not know what their EAV is that they 172 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMEIY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 are levying against, and by doing that, we cause them each year to have to levy against an unkncan. And in шаву instances, it becomes ΠΟΙΕ expensive for the school districts because then they have to go cut and ask for tax anticipation warrants. So I would also urge a'nc or a 'present vote CD this Fill, keeping in sind that I would... certainly, it's y belief that most school districts in the State if Illincis would oppose it."
Tape Malfunction "Representative Dunn..." Dunn, J.: "And we all know that we've heard fcr years and years around here that township officials have been criticized because of the... cf the professionalism... lack cf professionalism in their assessrent assessm practices. Now they come before this General Assembly and say, ke want the tools. WE want the tocls need to make proper assessments.' I know for a fact that is Macon County this year the township officials who were required by law to return their books to the supervisor of assessments cn April the 15th received those books or April the 6th. They had nine days in which to go through all the parcels in their townships and correct whatever assessm they needed to correct, get that job done and return the books to the supervisor of assessments. I ask you for a concern about the level of taxes at the local governmental level from the standpoint of the proferty owner, from the standpoint of the school district, frce the standpoint even of the mosquito abatement district, are we concerned about what those township assessors are òcing? We have chosen nct to eliminate them. We think they are needed. We think that they άτε proper functions... Froper cfficials function for the taxpayers of this state. And yet we are here to say to them that whether you get your books the day 173 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 before they're due, a week before they're due or the day after they are due, makes no difference; because, if we give you time to look at your books, it may foul up the assessing cycle. I am here to say to you the assessing cycle is a mess right now, largely in part to us here in this room and in the General Assembly. We've made so many changes in the assessment practice that it's very difficult. The whole thing needs looked at, but right now the township assessors cannot do their jobs. Those of you who are downstaters in particular, who are supported by township officials, ought to rise up and vote for this good piece of legislation. It's a good Bill. It's time may not yet have come, apparently, because of the opposing comments on this floor, but I predict to you that the time for this Bill will come. I hope it is now. I urge a favorable vote."
"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Currie. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Tate votes 'no'. On this Bill there are 39 voting 'yes', 33... Mr. Tate, for what purpose do you seek recognition? You wanted to vote 'yes'. Mr. Tate, a thumb pointed skyward means 'yes'. Down means 'no'. Alright. Mr. Tate, you are voting 'yes'. Is that correct? Ms. Chlinger."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, I've been really interested in listening to all the experts. I imagine I'm the only one on the floor of this House who's been both an assessor and the county clerk. I can assure you the school districts are not going to lose out if you pass this Bill, because they send over their attorney, their fiscal people, to the county clerk and we make an estimate of what the assessed value is going to be from the 174 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY ROUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 increase the year before, what figures we have, and they're not going to lose any money. You can talk to the people in this area who say they come within half a percent. This Bill is not going to do anything to the school districts and to the other taxing district..."
"Bring your remarks to a clcs."
"... and I do think it is a good Fill."
"I'm closing the board. Thank you. Ms. Karpiel, do you seek recognition?"
"Yes, Representative Oblinger convinced me. Please vote me 'aye'."
"Karpiel votes 'aye'. Ms. Zwick."
"I'd like to change my vote to 'aye', please."
"Representative Zwick votes 'aye'. Representative Barnes. Representative Earnes votes *aye". Representative Countryman."
"Mr. Speaker, please change me to 'aye'."
"Representative Countryman votes 'aye'. Because so many are changing their vote, we're going to dump this Roll Call, and we're going to take a new vote. Ckay? Alright. Question is, Shall this Fill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Yes, Ms. Satterthwaite, to explain her vote."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I think the question in regard to school districts is that this will delay the whole process. The school districts will not get their money in a timely fashion, and they will, therefore, have to issue tax anticipation warrants and pay interest on the money. It is a bad Bill, because it delays the process and means that your taxes will not be ccllected in a timely fashion. And a 'no' vote is the appropriate vote on this legislation." 175 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Ms... Alright. On this Bill, there are... Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill there are 55... 56 voting 'aye', and Mr. Dunn requests that the Bill be placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading appears House Bill 2787. Mr Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 2787, a Bill for an Act to create the State Migratory Waterfall Stamp Fund and to create the State Duck Stamp Committee. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McFike."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like leave to return this Bill for... to Second Reading to adopt a technical Amendment."
"Gentleman asks leave to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is hereby granted. The Bill is on Second Reading."
"I would move to table..."
"Wait."
"... would move to table Amendment #1 which was adopted in Committee. It was my Amendment. It is technically incorrect. I move to table Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, McFike."
"Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McFike."
"Amendment #2 is identical to Amendment #1, except it is technically correct. I would move for its adoption."
"Gentleman from Madison moves to adopt Amendment #2 to House Bill 2787. Is there any discussion? There being none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 176 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 "ayes' have it. Further Amendments?"
"No further Anendments."
"Third Beading. NI STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMFLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 what we feel ΟΙ at least what the duck hunters are attempting to accomplish in this Bill is to ensure that the money is spent for projects that their starps WEIE originally intended to go for. And 1 just hope that... encourage a favorable Roll Call for everyone. Thank you."
"Question is, Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no". Voting is DOW open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill there are 109 voting 'yes', none voting 'no", none voting 'present. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ections, Mr. Clerk."
"Motion. *Pursuant to Rule 74(a), I love to take House Bill 2937 from the table', by bepresentative Tate."
"The Gentleman from Macon, tr. Tate. These are Notions not cn the Calendar today. They are not on your Calendar. Ar. Tate, proceed."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlenen of the House, House Bill 2937, which shouldn't be a very controversial Bill, it was an agreed Eill in the Executive Committee, and Representative Karpiel and Representative Terzich had both agreed and signed off on the Bill. Eut apparently there was a misunderstanding with the Clerk; and, for scie reason, it was, through neglect or just an oversight, the Bill was not placed upon the agreed list when they passed the Bills out of Executive. And I don't see any opposition to the Bill, and I would just hope to receive a favorable Roll Call on it."
"Gentleman moves for passage... for adoption of Motion on House Bill 2937 to take the Eill from the table. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Eonan."
"Thank you, MI. Speaker, Members of the House. I'd like 178 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 leave of the House to recommit House Fill 2341..."
"Mr. Bonan, were in the middle of a Motion. So, if you'd just hold that for a moment or so. Representative leveren2, on the Motion." Leveren 2: "Turn me CO."
"Mr. Leverenz, you're on."
"Thank you. Inquiry of the Chair, does this have to be on the Calendar or written someplace; and, if so, is it?"
"It requires 71 tc suspend this Rule."
"I'm all confused. I think I'm against him."
"Purther discussion? Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Erummer."
"Yes, I wonder if the Gentleman might explain briefly what this totally noncontroversial, agreed Bill does that was tabled inadvertently."
"Er. Tate will yield for a question. Go ahead, Mr. Tate."
"It amends the Secretary of State Iravel Act, and it permits the Secretary ΟΣ a designee of the Secretary of State to serve as a member and Chairman of the Secretary of State Travel Control Ecard. That's all it does."
"Es. Karpiel, the Lady from LuFage."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Fill does really very little. At the present time, the Secretary of State sits on this Board. All he's asking for in this Bill is to be able to appoint a designee to sit on the Ecard instead of him. This Bill was put on the agreed Eill list. WE have it in our records that it was fut co the agreed Fill list and that it passed out of Committee on the agreed Bill list. Somehow or other the Clerk does not have that in her records in the Committee, and I have checked this cut with Representative Terzich. I've talked tc Speaker Madigan's aide, and it's really a very noncontroversial item. And we 179 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Cay May 10, 1984 would approve an 'aye vote for this Ection."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House pass Representative Tate's Motion to take House Fill 2937 frcu the table and place it on the Order of House Bills Second Reading? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote *nay'. Voting is now open. It takes 71 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 94 voting 'aye, 5 voting 'no', 2 voting present', and the Motion is adopted. Further Motions."
""Pursuant to Bule 744a), 1 move to take HOUSE Bill 2432 and 2703 from the table and place in the Interim Study Calendar of House Reg. and Feg. Committee, by Representative Kulas."
"Representate Kulas moves that the House take from the table House Bills 2532 (sic-2432) and 2703 and the same be placed in Interim Study. The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Kulas."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2703 and 2432 were placed in a working Subcommittee, but, inadvertently, we didn't have them on the Interim Study Calendar. And they were tabled when that deadline came up. So, I would just move to place these Bills cn the Interim Study Calendar of the House Registration and Regulation Subcommittee... Committee."
"Further discuss٠٠٠ Any discussion? The Gentleman from DeHitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Mr. Speaker, when you stated the Motion, you stated 2532, not 2432. And 2432 is sponsored by Representative Giorgi. I don't think I have any opposition to the Motion, but..."
"Alright. Why don't we find out? Mr. Clerk, 180 117th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 would you read the numbers of the Fills precisely, as they appear on the Motion?"
"House Fills 2432 and 2703."
"Mr. Speaker, if the Sponsors of the Fills are in accord with the Notion, I have no objection to it."
"Yes. Mr. Giorgi is here on the floor and indicates that he joins Mr. Kulas on the Motion."
"Mr. Nash is the Sponsor of the second Bill."
"And he bas indicated previously that he joins in that issue. Accordingly, the Motion is... Shall this Motion be adopted? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. 71 votes to take this from the table. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill there are 55 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion carries. Mr. Ronan, for what purpose did you seek recognition? Mr. Ronan."
"Thanks, Mr... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to have leave of the House to recommit Ecuse Eill 2341 and House Bill 2342 to the Interim Study Calendar of the Labor and Commerce Committee. I talked it over with both the Chairman and the Minority Spokesman."
"Gentleman asks leave to commit House Bills 2341 and 2342 to the Interim Study Calendar of the House Labor and Commerce Commission. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and the Bills are so committed. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 919, Ralph Dunn; 920, Ralph Dunn; 921, Cullerton; 922, Keane. Senate Joint Resolution 106, Stuffle; 108, Oblinger; and 110, Querk and Saltsman."
"On the Agreed Resolutions, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi." 181 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984
"Mr. Speaker, on Senate Joints 106, Stuffle, extends the reporting date of... Senate Joint Resolution 54, the Circuit Court Finance and Budget Committee. Oklinger's 108 honors Adeline Carrison (sic-Adele Karlson). And Tuerk Saltsman's 923 tells us who won the Ico Kronner Award in Peoria. House Resolution 919, by Cunn, honors... honors Arthur Weere 920, by Dunn, lauds Glenn Coffey; 921, by Cullerton, notes four years of service; and 922, by Keane, congratulates Dr. Donald E. Walters. And I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"Gentleman from Winnebago has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. For what pur... For what purpose does the Lady from Cook, Ms. Wojcik, seek recognition?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, a while back I inadvertently hit the wrong light when I voted for HOUSE Bill 3116, and I would just like it for the record that I am in favor of the Bill. And it would be an 'aye' vote."
"Alright. Under our rules, we can't change the vote, but the record will... the Journal will indicate such."
"Thank you."
"Ms. Markette. Representative Markette."
"Mr. Speaker, on House Bill 2960, I'd like for my vote to be changed from 'present' to 'aye'."
"Right. We can't change the vote under our rules, but we'll indicate in the Journal your expression of your attitude with respect to that Bill. Messages from the Senate."
"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the 182 STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBАТЕ 117th Legislative Day May 10, 1984 House of Representatives that the Senate has passed a Bill of the following title and passage of which I am instructed to ask for concurrence of the House of Fepresentatives, to wit; Senate Bill #1657, passed by the Senate May 10, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary." A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. "Mr. Speaker, I am directed tc inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following title, together with Amendments: House Bills 2689, with Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and... passed by the Senate as atended Bay 10, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary." A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. "Mr. Speaker, I am directed tc inform the House of Bepresentatives that the Senate has concurred with the House in the passage cf a Eill of the following title, to wit; House Eill 2310, together with Senate Agendaent #2, passed by the Senate as amended May 10, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary."
"Mr. Flinn, for the purpose of an announcement."
"Thank you, Br. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, l'd like to remind the golfers that come Monday is the annual legislative golf day at the Rail Golf Course. Those of you who do not have a fcursore lined up can come up... CCHE out and we'll try to match you up. Those who have nct signed up can sign up as late as Monday to play. I would also say that the Third House is now running it. Representative Mautino and myself have turned that over to the self-annointed speaker of the Third House, Mr. Bill Deutch, and he's going to be taking care of it along with Dan Creehan. Sc, see either one of those gentlemen; or, if you don't catch them, get in contact with Joe Luccc. So, that's all I' doing is trying to remind you that it is Monday, and it starts at 11:00 at the fail Golf Course."
"Thank you, Br. Flinn. The Majority Leader, Mr. 183 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 10, 1984 117th Legislative Day McFike, on the adjournment Motion."
"Thank you. I move that the House stand adjourned until Tuesday, May 15th at the hour of 12:30."
"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McFike, moves that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 12:30 on the 15th of May. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House stands adjourned." 184 09/11/84 15:32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 10, 1984 PAGE 1 HB-0015 SECOND FEADING PAGE 81 HB-0239 SECOND BEADING PAGE 10 HB-0243 SECOND BEADING PAGE 12 HB-0328 SECOND READING PAGE 13 не-0328 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 15 HB-0338 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-0338 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 15 HB-0809 SECOND BEADING PAGE 16 HB-1335 SECOND BEADING PAGE 17 HB-1348 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-1395 SECOND BEADING PAGE 18 HB-1395 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 18 HB-1563 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-1573 SECOND BEADING FAGE 19 HB-1859 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-2192 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-2325 THIRD READING PAGE 95 HB-2341 MOTION FAGE 181 HB-2342 MOTION PAGE 181 HB-2347 SECOND READING FAGE 21 HB-2350 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HB-2350 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 28 HB-2369 THIRD READING PAGE 146 HB-2409 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-2411 SECOND BEADING FAGE 29 HB-2416 SECOND BEADING FAGE 30 HB-2416 BELD ON SECOND PAGE 30 HB-2423 SECOND READING FAGE 30 HB-2423 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 32 HB-2428 THIRD READING PAGE 94 HB-2430 SECOND BEADING PAGE 32 HE-2432 MOTION PAGE 180 HB-2434 SECOND BEADING PAGE 33 HB-2438 THIRD READING FAGE 96 HB-2440 SECOND BEADING PAGE 33 HB-2441 SECOND READING FAGE 34 HB-2443 SECOND READING PAGE 37 BB-2443 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 38 HB-2444 SECOND READING PAGE 38 HB-2449 SECOND FEADING PAGE 38 HB-2455 SECONDREADING PAGE 41 BB-2459 SECOND BEADING PAGE 38 HB-2476 SECOND BEADING PAGE 39 HB-2479 SECOND FEADING PAGE 39 HB-2510 SECOND BEADING FAGE 40 HB-2510 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 41 HB-2511 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-2540 THIRD BEADING PAGE 99 HB-2554 THIRDREADING FAGE 102 HB-2576 TEIRD READING PAGE 103 HB-2580 SECOND READING FAGE 43 HB-2582 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-2595 SECONDREADING PAGE 43 HB-2597 SECOND BEADING PAGE 46 HB-2598 SECOND BEADING PAGE 46 HB-2606 SECONDREADING PAGE 47 HB-2606 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 47 HB-2609 THIRD READING PAGE 144 HB-2615 THIRDREADING FAGE 153 HB-2620 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-2620 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 47 HE-2629 SECONDREADING PAGE 50 HB-2630 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-2657 THIRDREADING PAGE 104 HB-2657 OUT OF BECORD PAGE 105 09/11/84 15:32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 10, 1984 PAGE 2 HB-2662 THIRD READING PAGE 157 HB-2670 SECOND BEADING PAGE 48 HB-2670 SECOND BEADING PAGE 82 HB-2670 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 50 HB-2684 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2692 THIRD BEADING PAGE 105 HB-2693 THIRD BEADING PAGE 107 HB-2699 SECOND READING PAGE 92 HB-2703 NOTION PAGE 180 HB-2706 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2707 THIRD READING PAGE 158 HB-2710 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2714 THIRD READING FAGE 108 HB-2715 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-2717 SECOND READING PAGE 53 HB-2719 09/11/84 15:32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 10, 1984 PAGE 3 HB-2937 MOTION PAGE 178 HB-2939 SECOND READING PAGE 68 HB-2950 SECOND READING PAGE 69 HB-2952 THIRD READING PAGE 126 HB-2960 SECOND READING PAGE 69 HB-2961 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-2971 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-2972 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-2986 SECOND READING PAGE 72 HB-2992 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-2994 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-3024 SECOND READING PAGE 73 HB-3026 SECOND READING PAGE 5 HB-3027 SECOND READING PAGE 74 HB-3027 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 75 HB-3032 SECOND READING PAGE 75 HB-3034 SECOND READING PAGE 75 HB-3036 SECOND READING PAGE 75 HB-3037 SECOND READING PAGE 75 HB-3039 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-3040 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-3041 SECOND READING PAGE 76 HB-3041 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 77 HB-3042 SECOND READING PAGE 77 HB-3043 SECOND READING PAGE 77 HB-3055 SECOND READING PAGE 78 HB-3056 SECOND READING PAGE 80 HB-3065 THIRD READING PAGE 130 HB-3066 THIRD READING PAGE 132 HB-3067 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 134 HB-3067 RECALLED PAGE 134 HB-3068 SECOND READING PAGE 94 HB-3093 THIRD READING PAGE 134 HB-3095 THIRD READING PAGE 135 HB-3116 THIRD READING PAGE 136 HB-3125 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-3126 THIRD READING PAGE 137 HB-3140 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-3144 THIRD READING PAGE 139 HB-3197 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3199 THIRD READING PAGE 140 HB-3209 THIRD READING PAGE 141 HB-3211 THIRD READING PAGE 143 HJR-0146 ADOPTED PAGE 2 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER - FATHER ANTHONY TZORTOZIS PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 AGREED RESOLUTION PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 18 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 99 REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE IN CHAIR PAGE 160 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 165 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 181 MESSAGES FROM SENATE PAGE 182 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 184