Illinois Senate Floor Debate — March 26, 1993

Hour of ten having arrived, would the Members and our friends in the gallery please rise for the prayer. Pastor VanderKloot, Faith Evangelical Lutheran Church, Springfield, Illinois.

(Prayer by Pastor VanderKloot)

Reading of the Journal.

Senate Journal of Tuesday, March 23rd, 1993.

Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President, I move that the Journal just read by the Secretary be approved, unless some Senator has additions or corrections to offer.

Senator Geo-Karis moved the approval of the journals just as read. There being no objections, so ordered. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I move that reading and approval of the Journals of Wednesday, March ' 24th, and Thursday, March 25th, in the year 1993, be postponed, pending arrival of the printed Journals.

Senator Geo-Karis moves we postpone the reading and the approval of the Journal, pending the arrival of the printed transcript. There being no objections, so ordered. Committee Reports, Mr. Secretary.

Senator Maitland, Chair of the Committee on Appropriations,  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 reports Senate Bills 313 and 524 Do Pass; and Amendments numbered 12, 13 and 14 to Senate Bill 312 Be Adopted. Senator Watson, Chair of the Committee on Cducation, reports Senate Bills 124, 671, 730, 926, 987 and 1096 Do Pass; and Senate Bills 7, 38, 221, 278, 389, 421, 464, 504, 792, 928 and 993 Do Pass, as Amended. Senator Hawklnson, Chair of the Committee on Judiciary: reports Senate Bllls 33, 248, 344, 460, 483, 602, 619, 759, 773, 775, 778: 779, 870, 893, 902 and 1033 Do Pass; and Senate Bllls 3, 206, 231, 246, 273, 310, 325, 351, 423, 433, 447, 452, 486, 576, 650, 678, 719, 739, 786, 842, 847, 869, 880, 911, 956, 1032, 1034 and 1078 Do Pass, as Amended. Senator Woodyard, Chair of the Committee on Agriculture and Conservation, reports Senate Bills 488 and 586 Do Pass, as Amended. Senator Butler, Chair of the Committee on Commerce and Industry, reports Senate Bills 2, 189, 498, 499, 609, 615 and 973 Do Pass; Senate Bills 104, 347, 571, 632, 743 and 910 Do Pass, as Amended; Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 96 Be Adopted, and Amendment No . 2 to Senate Bill 97 Be Adopted. Senator Karpiel, Chair of the Committee on Executive, reports Senate Bllls 554, 684, 937: 1024, 1025, 1077, 1082 and 1084 qsic> Do Pass; and Senate Bills 142, 493, 531, 718: 900 and 94l Do Pass, as Amended. Senator DeAngells, Chair of the Committee on Revenue, reports Senate Bills 185, 387, 522, 590, 606, 707 and 1087 Do êass; and Senate Bills 5, 95, 380, 384, 391, 473, 502, 584 -- or 548 that is, 549, 551, 552, 553, 591, 672, 1036, 1037 and 1039 Do Pass, as Amended.

Resolutions, Mr. Secretary.

2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Senate Resolution 207 is offered by Senator Stern. Senate Resolution 208, by Senator Klemm . 209, by Senator O'Malley. Senator DeAngelis offers Senate Resolution 2l0 and 211. Senate Resolution 212, by Senator Watson. And Senate Joint Resolution 39: offered by Senators Stern, Berman and Carroll. Theydre all congratulatory, Mr. President.

Consent Calendar.

And Senate Joint Resolution 40, offered by Senator Philip. It's substantive.

Executive Committee. The Chair now intends to go to Motions in Writing, on page 24 of the Calendar. There are three motions on this Order offered by Senator Berman, Welch and Hall. Senator Berman. Read the motlon.

I move that Senate Bill 80 remain on the Order of 2nd Reading until the Rules Committee or the applicable standing committee makes a report to the Senate on the Floor amendment numbered as Senate Amendment l to Senate Bill 80. Filed by Senator Berman.

Senator Berman, for what purpose do you arise?

1'11 withdraw that motion, Mr. Presldent.

Beg your pardon?

1'11 withdraw that motion, Mr. President.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

Thank youy Senator Berman. Senator Welch, on the next motion. Senator Welch.

Yes, we have a I believe I filed a motion, or an anendment... PRESIDENT #HILIP: Excuse me, Senator Welch . Would you please read the notion?

I move that Senate Bill l05 remain on the Order of 2nd Reading until the Rules Committee or the applicable standing committee makes a report to the Senate on the Floor amendment numbered as Senate Amendment No . 2 to Senate Bill 105. Filed by Senator Welch.

Senator Welch.

Yes, Mr. President. filed a amendment to this bill, which we didn't have time to hear in committee. Do you want me to explain the amendment to the -- to the Floor?

Senator Welch, I am instructed by ehe Parliamentarian ehat this motion is out of order. Your motion would have an effect of denying a sponsor control of their bill, thus calls for the suspension or amendment of the rules. Being -- bein: improperly framed , the motion is out of order. Senator Hall. Motions in Writing. Senator Welche you don 't have your light on. Senator Welch, for what purpose do you arise?

Yes, to question the the ruling. don 't know how the motion in writing could be bn the Calendar and yet be out of order at the same tine. And the bill -- the bill Went through the 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 committee. We have a amendment proposed, and the only way to hear it is to have the amendment go back to the committee for a hearlng. The amendment is flled on the Floor. The amendment then goes to the committee and comes back.

Senator Welch, there are -- there are numerous motions on the Calendar that are properly framed . We are going to get to there, and you Will have your chance.

Okay .

Senator Hall, for the same reason that -- that Senator Berman and Senator Welch's motion is out of order, so is yours. So, the Chair so orders. Now wedll go to Motions to Discharge. The Chair now moves to the Order of Motions to Discharge on page 24 of Ehe Calendar. 1111 remind the Membership, this motion to discharge requires thirty-six affirmative votes. Given the -- the number of motions on file, the Chair would suggest the debate be limited to the sponsor's explanation and the opposing view. If there are any Senators so desired, please seek recognition. 0n page 24, the bottom of the page, Senate Bill 54. Senator Collins. Read -- read the motion.

I move to discharge the Committee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointments from further consideration of Senate Bill 54 and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Réading. Filed by Senator Colllns.

Senator Collins, would you explain your motion?

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 This bill -- the necessity for discharging this bill is because it did not have an opportunity to have a hearing. It was on the schedule, and the committee, for whatever reason that day, did not meet. The bills were posted; there were witnesses here to testify . And so this issue has never been heard before this Body. And this discharge motion is designed to give the police pursuit bill, which is of interest to a lot of people across the State, because innocent people are -- are dying because of -- or for whatever reasons, in -- in -- in accidents incurred during police pursuits in their efforts to apprehend criminals. And

May we have some order, please. Senator Collins.

I think because of the lives -- at least approximately nlne people in Illinois has been killed already this year - innocent people - and at least those people in those families ought to have the satisfaction of knowing that this Body cared enough to at least debate and deliberate on that issue, if nothing else. So, therefore, I I move that -- that the Committee on State Government be discharged from further consideration of Senate Bill 54 and that it be placed on the Order of 2nd Reading.

Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. -- Mr. -- Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, our committees have been working very, very hard to arrive at the solutionsr and I don't think these motions are going to be any -- any...tmicrophone malfunctionl... productive. I feel that we should go along with the committee work, since they've worked so hard, and ask...tmicrophone malfunctionl... I'm not on. I ask that the motions be denied.

6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Senator Dunn, for what purpose do you arlse?

Thank you, Mr. President. I -- I'd just like to note for the Members that on last Tuesday, State Government Operations and Executive Appointments Conmittee tried to convene to take testimony on thirty-five bills. I know both of the staffs had worked hard and we had these thirty-five bills before us, but for some reason or other, the Democrats in that -- failed to show up for the committee. We didn't have a quorum; so we adjourned the committee, and the billsy as far as I'm concerned, are dead. And according to our rules, I thlnk they're re-referred to the Rules Committee after the deadline, and I'd urge that we not adopt this resolution <sic> and vote No.

Any further discussion? If -- if -- if not, Senator Collins moves to discharge the committee from further consideration on Senate Bill 54. Senator Collins.

Yeah...

Senator Collins, for what purpose?

Well, Senator Jones asked, but I would like eo close on the statement because there's some misinformation here.

A1l right. Go -- go right ahead then, Senator Collins. Senator Jones, for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you, Mr. President. Just a comment or tWo as it relate to the previous speaker, as it relate to a quorum on committee. He indicated that the Democratic Members did not make a quorum. I think the rules and the way the committees are set up, it's the  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Majority's responsibillty, because it take a majority of those Members who are appointed to the committee to have a bill voted out. So I don't think that is a rational reason as to why the -- the spokesperson should be in objection to this motion. We do not constitute the quorun. It is the Majority side who constitutes the quorum. So, therefore, that should not be the rationale as to why this motion should be denied.

Thank you, Senator Jones. Senator Dudycz, for what purpose do you arise?

Well, thank you, Mr. President. Just -- regarding Senator Collins' motion to discharge the committee, I don't know Whether you are aware that the topic that you have -- the subject matter of the police pursuit procedures that you have in your bill is also being addressed in Senate Resolution 143: which I am sponsor. I welcome you to join me as a cosponsor on my Senate resolution, and then we could address your concerns in that manner. And I would also vote -- would ask that everybody vote against this motion.

Senator Collins.

Senator -- to the last sponsor, I'n sure that he 's been here long enough to know that a resolution does not have the enforcement of a piece of legislation. A resolution, more or less, is just that, asking that someone do something without any enforcement behind it. It is only in effect as long as this Session is in effect. think this is an issue far more important, then, to be studied . There have been studies across this country. There have been studies commissioned in the State of Illinois, and I'n -- I'm sure the sponsor don't know about 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 those. I think the taxpayers and the people of -- the citizens of those families who've been killed - the innocent victims here most certainly don 't want to hear tbis issue being studled. They want to hear and see sone action's being taken. There have been great deliberations and a lot of work has gone into Senate Bill 54. The police departments across this State already are familiar with the NeW Jersey statute, which that bill is patterned after. And so there's no need for a study. We know the problems; we just need to take action. As to Senator Geo-Karis: Senator Geo-Karis, this bill has not been heard in committee, and so you were inaccurate about It never Was heard. It ought to be given an opportunity to be heard. And, yes, I will be happy to have Senator Dudycz join with me as a jolnt hyphenated sponsor, because this is not a -- a political issue for me. This is about saving lives.

Thank you, Senator Collins. 1'11 remind the Membership , it takes thlrty-six affirmative votes. Would you request a roll call, Senator? Want a roll call? Al1 right. Any further dlscussion? If not -- if not: Senator Collins moves to discharge from comnittee the further consideration of Senate Bill 54. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Has everybody voted who wish? Has everybody voted who Wlsh? Has everybody voted who wish? Take the record. On the question, there are 25 Ayes, 28 Nays, no voting Present. The motion, having failed to receive three-fifths vote, is declared failed. We have a request from WICS-TV to -- to record this neeting, if there's leave. Leave is granted . Senator Collins. Senator Collins, you have a -- you have a second motion on Senate Bill 58. Senator Collins. Oh. You want to hear...

I move to... 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

Take it out of the record. Senator Hendon. Senate Bill 165. I'm sorry. I thought you asked me not to do it, Senator. You want to roll Senator? All right. I'm sorry. I thought you indicated to me you didn't want to call Senate Bi11 74# motion. Senator Jacobs. Read -- read the motion.

Pursuant to Rule 7-9, I hereby move to discharge the Senate Revenue Subcommittee on Tax Increases and the Senate Revenue Committee from further consideration of Senate B111 74 and that Senate Bill 74 stand on the Order of 2nd Reading. Signed by Senator Jacobs.

Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen .of the Senate. And do apologize to you, Mr. President. thought we may have another day to come back to these, and sounds like we will not. So I feel that at least the issue should be raised. Senate Bill 74 did get a full hearing in committee; so I am not standing up to argue the fact that thls bill did not get a good hearing in committee, because it had a full two hours of -- of discussion. However, I think that it's an issue that is important enough that should be discussed by this whole Body . know that it was not a partisan issuez but there Was some procedural question as to who is going to handle the bill and at what time and how many of these type bills Wedre going to have out. But this is a bill that sixteen hundred witness slips were put in, on behalf of this blll. Sixteen hundred Witness slips. Sixteen hundred mayors, county officials and other elected -- local elected officials. And we do not have a recorded vote on this issue. I think we owe those people a recorded vote. I think it's 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 a discussion that should continue on; it's a dialogue that should continue on. And it's not only the fact that the local people have not had the opportunity. I think, in al1 candor, there is enough votes in this Body to get a bill at least moving along that will ensure that the municipalities get a fair hearing on this. Now, the question of the permanency in this particular bill, of making the surcharge permanent, does not seem to be part of the issuer because there is a bill out already that says that the surcharge will be -- be made permanent. Our only argument is to where that money may be distributed. And I -- I guess I1m a little bit fearful that wedre going to play the same shell game. Whenever we made the -- the surcharge permanent for educationy we did so and -- and that has brought in, over the last two years, seven hundred million dollars. But yet, at the same tlme, education has only received an increase of two hundred and some million dollars. l am afraid that we're playinq the same shell game that we have with the Lottery with making the income tax permanent and where that money goes. If, in fact, we 're truly going to give it to education or if we 're truly going to give to the cities and the county officials, that's What we should do. And for that reason alone, I thlnk that this bill should be discharged from committee, put on 2nd Reading, for the purpose of good dialogue so we can get a recorded vote so al1 of the mayors and al1 the local officials, and all of the local property tax owners <sic> who will probably bear the -- the effects of a property tax increase if something is not done along this line, so that we can record that vote and send it home so each of our mayors and each of our county board chairmen and each of our township officials and everyone else up and down the line knows how we feel on this issue. And I ask for an Aye vote.

Senator DeAngelis, for what purpose do you arise?  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26z 1993 SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. President. I am pleased the sponsor acknowledged the fact that this had a very long and lengthy hearing. Senator Jacobs, there's an old song that I used to remember when was a kid called ''You Always Hurt the One You Love''. And frankly, I think youdre jeopardizing the extension of the surcharge by promoting a bl11 that has a limited amount of application in terms of its distribution. We are early in the Session. There's anoeher Senate bill out ehere, 937, that has moved forward, will probably, in fact, extend the surcharge, and once that's doney it might be more appropriate to demand whatever part you think of that should go to the locals. But by taking this bill, Which restricts restricts - the distribution, in facte you might lose support for the extension of the surcharge. I urge that we defeat this motion.

Senator Jacobs.

Senator, I understand what you're sayingy but yet, at the same time, I think to really get a good dialogue and to really get -- a recorded vote, I thinky is all we ire really asking for. I think to bring this to the attention of each and every local official and to 1et those local officials know how we represent them , that that is only a fair and equitable means of -- of ensuring the democratic process. I think also that -- in regards to your -- to your comment about the limitations of the distribution, I think that makes the argument even stronger, because what that does, then, that gives us a posltion from whlch to negotiate. You know what I'm looking for; I have no idea what you're looking for, and think that makes a tremendous amount of difference whenever we, you know, effectively debate this bill and send a message back to the people who we represent, including the mayors and aldermen and 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 the county board members of this great State.

Senator Welch, for what purpose do you arise?

Well, I wanted to speak in support of Senator Jacobs on khis bill, if that's okay.

Go right ahead, Senator Welch.

Senator DeAngelisy you're quoting songs. Let me quote a line to you from an old Beatles song, and it goes: 'IKeep playing those mind games'' and that's what you seem to be doing. A 1ot of Members herey especially the suburbanitesg have been quoted in newspapers as saying that they want to bring this money back to the suburbs; they think that they're going to get a fairer deal from the income tax surcharge extension under Denny Jacobs' bill by continuing revenue sharing, than by Governor Edgar's bill. This is your chance to show it, Ladies and Gentlemen. A11 of the freshmen here who think that you can give those speeches and then you don't get to vote on it, this ls your chance. You can 't go back home and say we didn't have the opportunity to vote for the extension of revenue sharing; this is it here today. Don 't go back this weekend to your districts and say that we want to give more money to our cities for revenue sharing, we want more money back in Dupage and Kane County for revenue sharing, because this is your vote to put your money where your mouth is. If you don't vote for this proposal by Senator Jacobs to discharge the revenue-sharing bill from subcommittee, don 't go back home and say youdre for it when youfre recorded as voting No. Don't go playing mind games back hone. would urge an Aye vote.

Senator Weaverr for what purpose do you arise?  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

Point of order, Mr. President. Are we...

State your point.

Are we discussing -- are We discussing the motion, or are we discussing the bill?

We're discussing the motion. Senator Karpiel, for What purpose do you arise?

Well, thank you: Mr. President. In response to the last speaker, those of us suburban legislators who say that we're for the extension and not necessarily for the -- for the portion of the surcharge going to munlcipalities, what we are sayins, Senator, is that we would llke time to negotiate other places that khat money may go. It's not so sure that all of us legislators from the suburbs are for the revenue sharing so that it goes back to our distrlcts. We would like to see some go back to our districts, perhaps in other places like education or in other formular such as aging, DCFS and other ways. Or perhaps maybe we 'd like to see the money go put into our pensions that are underfunded or pay up our bills that were due. So don't -- don't quote suburban legislators that We're for the revenue sharing necessarily. We need time to work this out.

Senator Klemm, for what purpose do you arise?

Well, thank you: Mr. President. You know, many of us don 't even know what that bill says because we didn't serve on that committee. So the issue before us is quite simply whether, in facty that bill should be discharged, whether it did receive a 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 full hearing. The chairman of the committee said that the committee did evaluate it. I think it would be misleading to try to say that we are now debating the merits of that bill, and that our vote isn't any indication, other than the simple motion to discharge, and that would be unfair to leave that to the people in the audience.

Senator Jacobs, to close.

Thank you, Mr. President, I and I thank you for your indulgence. I really do. And I guess the only thing I would leave you with is, number one, there is a 1ot of discussion as to negotiation. I think you have to have parameters under which you -- you negotiate. And I think with the -- the bill that currently is out therer without this piece of legislation beinq put back on the burner, tbere is no bargaining chips out there. It's strictly then going to be the way the bill decides to come down - again, without public hearing . And, Senator Klemm, even though I respect you a lot, I disagree with you entirely. I believe this is a test as to how you feel on whether or not any of this money should go back to the cities. I agree: a compromise is going to have to be necessary. We're not saying that it's going to end up being a hundred percent for cities. But 1.11 tell you What: at least itls a bargaining point from which to start. And I ask for an Aye voke.

Senator Jacobs moves to discharge the Conmittee on Revenue Subcommittee Tax Increases and the Senate Revenue Conmittee from further consideration of Senate Bill 74. Al1 those in favor Will signify by voting Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have you a11 voted who wish? Have you a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On the question, there are 25 Nays, 22 -- 25 Yeas, 22 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Nays, 2 voting Present. The motion fails. Senator Hendon. Senate Bill 165. Read the motion.

I nove to discharge the Committee on Judiciary from further consideration of Senate Bill 165, and that the bill be placed on ehe Calendar on the Order of 2nd Reading . Filed by Senator Hendon.

Senator Hendon.

Thank you, Mr. President. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I beg for your attention for just a few brief minutes, as will give you my full attention when you have the Floor. This Billy 165, did receive a hearing in committee, but I feel so strongly about this bill, and I feel it is so important that the entire Senate should have a right to vote for it. Each of us should go on record as to where we're going to stand on this family values issue. And I pray that youfll not just vote along party lines one way or the other on this issue, or will fail. And fails, *he children of my district and the children of other districts will have to continue to see dayliçht prostitution going on in broad daylight every day during the day, every night during the night, on their way to school, when they're trying to go to church. It is wrong to just go after the prostitutes and not go after the customers. This is America; this is capitalism; things are supply and demand. NoW every Session, we have a pastor or a minister or a preacher get up there and pray to this Body that God will help us to do the right thing. What this particular bill simply goes after - customers of prostitutes who pick up and solicit prostitutes in the broad daylight in front of children llke these children up here. And it is wrong for us to punish the women and let the men go free. It is a family values and a moral 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 issue. This bill is in effect in other states. It is constitutional. But yet, the opponents will tell you they will talk about the rights of the tricks, the rights of the johns, the rights of the customers of these prostitutes. If they 're with the prostitutes, in the cars, having sex, they are criminal. They are breaking the law, and they should be punished . Thts is a conservative issue. You cannot go back to your districts and claim to be about law and order, and yet, vote against this motion to discharge. The opponents of this legislation will say that it is too harsh to confiscate the car of the customer. But if the illegal activity takes place in the vehicle, then the vehicle should be seized. Thls issue is very important to me for one other reason. We always talk about the overpopulation in the prtson system. Well we have to get creative, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, on how to keep people fron going to jail in the first place. contend that little glrls see these prostitutes out there on the streets every day during the broad daylight on their Way to schooly then they too will be influenced to be prostitutes. I also contend that if little boys see these prostitutes out there in broad daylight, then they wl11 begin to look down on our little girls and think that a1l of our women are whores, a1l of our women are prostitutes, all of our women are harlots. We must take this criminal ackiviey out of *he face of our children. Thls bill does not go after prostitution in a hotel or prostitution in a bar or prostitution in a whorehouse, behind closed doors; simply goes after prostikution outside in front of our children. And I beg you to vote Yes to discharge this committee.

Further discussion? Senator Petka .

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate . I didn't realize that this was going to be a debate on the merits 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 of the issue; however, I donlt believe it's the proper form. I would be happy, at an appropriate time, to debate the lssue. This bill was heard in subcommittee. It Was given a fair and impartial and thorough hearingy as, I might add, every other sponsor Who brought the bill to -- brought their bills to the subcommittee. Numerous deficiencies were pointed out in the legislation. For that reason, the -- the bill was held in subcommittee, and then, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Senate, I might point out that We -- there Was a procedure to discharge the subcommittee which Was not even followed. So I believe that the correèt vote at this time is a No vote.

Senator Hendon.

...a1l due respect, Mr. President, ko honorable Senator Petka, the only people who -- who spoke against this bill was some liberal lawyers, who -- who you al1 claim to detest most of the Eime. Other than that, nobody. And the only thing the lawyers said was about the decency and the rights of the tricks. That's a11 they talked about: the rights of the customers, the rights of the customers, the rights of the customers. If a customer is involved in a criminal activity, they are a criminal. They leave their rights right there when they pick up that prostitute and Eake that AIDS and spread back into the general population. So I am discussing the issue. Because without the motion to discharge, We would never get an opportunity to hear the issue . At least today, each Senator in this Chamber will get an opportunity to either vote for sin or vote for something that is godly. They can either vote for Jesus and God, or they can vote for Satan, because this outdoor prostitution is the work of evil people, pimps and prostitution - organized crime. So either you can vote and have a vote where you can go back to your district 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 and say, ''I did the right thing; I stood up against crime.'' Or you can go back and say, HI stood up for the johns.' It's up to you.

Further discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. Perhaps you don't realizer but that Was the first time I have ever heard Senator Petka being referred to as a liberal Senator. I've heard him said -- said a lot of things about him, but that's certainly not one of them. My understanding is, this is already on the books, and We don't really need thls. I would suggest No.

Senator Hendon, to close.

To close, Mr. President: Once again, I ask that you not look at this on a partisan basis. The short time that I have been here: everybody knows I vote ny conscience every time. 1'11 vote with the Republicans; 1.11 vote with the Democrats; 1611 vote With the few Independents we have around here, regardless. And I just ask that you give me the same consideration. This is not on the books. Right now, if a man is caught in his car with a prostitute, he is charged With obstruction of trafflc. This will simply confiscate the car. It costs them five hundred dollars to get the car back, and we can balance the State 's budget. The State of Michigan, three years agoy raised over two million dollars from Detroit alone. We can balance the State budget and get rid of something that's in -- fn front of our children. And I ask you to vote Yes. Thank you.

Senator Hendon moves to discharge the Committee on Judiciary from further consideration of Senate Bill 165. A1l those in favor, 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 slgnify by saying Aye. Those opposed, Nay. Roll call. Voting is open. All those in favor, Aye. Those opposed, Nay. Voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. There are 26 Veas, 20 Nays, none -- 2 voting Present. The motion fails. Senator 5m1th. Senate Bi11 692. Read the motion, Mr. Secretary.

I move to discharge the Committee on State Governnent Organization and Executive Appolntments from further consideration of Senate Bi11 692 and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Reading. Eiled by Senator Smith.

Senator Smith.

Thank you, Mr. Presldentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 692 request that we hear this bill, for this bill calls for the Department of Public Hea1th to examine the impact of community violence on the public health of Illinols residents, especially our young people. Based on its findings, the Department shall, if warranted, declare community violence a public health epidemic and recommend to the General Assembly strateèies and programs aimed at reducing and preventing community violence. We've seen it on television this past week and it's been in Boston. It's happening across America . The disorders associated With violence witnessed by our children include persistent sleep disturbance, flashbacksr inability to concentrate, and a fatalistic attitude toward the future that leads to increased risk-taking . The Federal Center for Disease Control is proceeding to treat community violence as a public health problem and many hospitals in America have begun treating patients for conditions related to the living with violence. Our 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 young people are in great jeopardy because of this violence. And I'm asking that you be kind and put this bill on the roll so that it can be heard and passed in this Senate. The young people of our city, the parents of our city, are appealing to us to come to their aid.

Any further discussion? Eurther discussion? Senator Dunn.

Thank your Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This motion is inappropriate and I move that it be defeated. Urge its defeat.

Senator Colllns, to close. Excuse me, Senator Smith. apologize.

Mr. President, in regard to my colleague on the other side of the aisle, when youdre talking about your children and the future of this State and this country, I don't see how anything is inappropriate it's not Ksic> helping our young people. They have no one to cone into these halls and speak on their behalf. And so I merely say that this is an important issue, and deserves the hearing of our entire Senate. Please, give me a Yes vote and 1et this be released from the committee.

Senator Dunn, for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you. I'd like to tell the dlstinguished Senator that I didn't -- wasn 't referring to her bill. may be very appropriate, but the motion is inappropriate, because the bill was ln committee and the people didn't show up for committee. We only had four Members there. We adjourned, and the bill is dead and still in -- in committee. So I move that we defeat this motion.

STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Senator Smith, for what purpose do you arise?

The purpose of this motion if you read here, it just states that motion to discharge the Committee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointments from further considerations for Senate Bill 692, that the bill may be placed on the Calendar. You didn't have a meeting. wasn't because wasn't there; I was there. And so I'm asking you -- I've done my part, and a1l I'm asking you to do is to please put this bill on committee <sic> to be heard.

Thank you, Senator. Senator Smith moves to discharge the Committee on State Government for further consideration of Senate Bill 692. A1l those in favor, signify by voting Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have you all voted who wish? Have you a1l voted who wish? There are 25 Yeas -- take the record, excuse me. Take the record. There are 25 Yeasr 23 Nays, 11 not voting. The motion fails.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator del Valle. Read the motion.

I move to discharge the Committee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointments from further consideration of Senate Bill 697 and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Reading. Filed by Senator del Valle.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator de1 Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 697 addresses the need to immunize children. It was a bill that was to be heard in the State Government and Executive Appointments Conmittee. I was 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 there for the hearing. The hearing did not take place. We had witnesses who came in and could not testify because a hearing did not take place. It is extremely important that we bring this matter to the Floor. Currentlyz only flfty-seven percent of children two years old and under outside the City of Chicago have the basic immunizations recommended by the Illlnois Department af Public Health. This is an inportant public health matter, and We should give this bill an opportunity to be debated on this Floor. Sor therefore, I move for discharge of committee.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? Senator Dunn.

I urge the defeat of thls motion for the same reason given on the other motions. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator del Valley you wish to close? Senator del Valle has moved to discharge the Committee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointments from further consideration of Senate Bill 697. Al1 those in -- all those in favor, vote Aye. A11 those opposed, vote Nay. Voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 25r the Nays are 22. The motion, failing - - having failed to received the thirty-six votes -- affirmative votes, the motion fails. Senator Lapaille, on 701? Read the motion, Mr. Secretary.

I move to discharge the Committee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointments from further consideration of Senate Bill 70l and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Reading . Filed by Senator Lapaille.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 70l got caught in the turmoil that occurred at the State Government hearing this week, was not able to be heard. I had been given assurances by the Assistant Leader, DeAngelis, that this was one bill that he had put an up arrow on for me, and I was hoping to get it out of the Senate Government Committee. So -- inside joke between Senator DeAngells and 1. The bill would seek to provide incentive payments to day-care centers and programs throughout the State for providing quality care and care above the minimum standards. We al1 hear of the horror stories of day-care centers and programs, but there are a 1ot of good day-care centers out there providing day-care services for our children. The bill is supported by the Illinois Association for the Education of Young People, National Academy of Early Childhood Accreditatlons, the National Child Care Association, Chlld Welfare League, as Well as the National Association of Famlly Day Care. This bill would be amended. It was the plan to make it permissive by DCFS and to remove the immediate effective date; so the cost would not be borne immediately, and would be up to the Governor when to make effective. This is the year of the children, according to Governor Edgar, and I don 't think of a better bill to reward programs that provide quality day care for al1 Illinois children. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there discussion? Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is certainly a good sponsor and probably a good bill, but it's a terrible motion. I urge that We defeat it, as stated before.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Senator -- Senator Lapaille' you wish to close? SENATOR LaPAILLE: I ask for the support of the Senate to discharge this bill and put it onto the Senate Floor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille moves to discharge the Committee on State Government from further consideration of Senate Bill 701. Al1 those in favor, vote Aye. All those opposed, vote Nay. Voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 25 Ayes, 26 Nays. The motion, havin: falled to receive the thirty-six votes, declared lost. Senator Severns, on Senate Bill 8077 Read the motion.

I move to discharge the Comnittee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointments from further consideration of Senate Bill 807 and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Readinq . Filed by Senator Severns.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. Presidenty Members of the Senate . 1, too, regret that this bill didn't have a chance for a hearing and that's the purpose of the motion. Since 1984, the Auditor General of this State has cited that we are lacking in the commodity inspection program y something that permits us not to control expendltures in the way that we should, as it relates to commodities. know of no objection to this bill, and I also know that, based on the evidence cited in the several reports of the Auditor Generaly there is a need for it. At a time when dollars are so tight and We need to examine and exhaust our ability to save the expenditure of unnecessary dollars, I think this is a 25  STATE OF ILLINOii 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26: 1993 bill that provides that opportunity and would urge a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there any discussion? Senator Dunn.

Thank you. I should say dittos. Urge to defeat the motion. It's just not timely.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Severnsr do you wish to close?

Just to say, Mr. President, that I -- I don't think there's ever a wrong time to have good fiscal policy in place. This bill provides for it, and a Yes vote confirms Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Severns moves to discharge the Committee on -- from local from State Government on Senate Bill 708 -- 807, excuse me. A1l those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 24 Ayes, 25 Nays. The Senate Rules require thirty-six votes; so the motion fails. Senator Cullerton, on Senate Bill 932? Read the motionr Mr. Secretary.

I move to discharge the Committee on State Government Orsanization and Executive Appointments from further consideration of Senate Bill 932 and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Readlng. Filed by Senator Cullerton.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Cullerton.

Yes, thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill deals with the responsibilities of the Department of Commerce 26  STATE OF ILLINOI; 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 and Community Affairs, and they do support this concept. It deals with the specific problem of the loss of manufacturing jobs in our - - our Statey. and it addresses one of the causes of that loss; that being the fact that many times people who own their own business kind of a -- family-owned businesses - they don't provide for the succession of the owner if that owner dies or retires. A situation where a family business -- the children don lt want to take on the -- the business after the father retires. And so what this bill does is -- and again, as I said, after cooperating with DCCA in this matter, in order to avoid the the danger that these existing firms will permanently cease operations, we add to the the law , which created a business assistance office, and we say that that business assistance office should go about the business of educating business and business networks about succession, providing technical assistance to the owners of companies to make succession plans, and to help and identify people who might want to buy these businesses. I think it's an excellent idea . And, Senator Dunn, procedurally, you know, it's unfortunate, I quess, because, you know: I offered this bill as a -- as a Senatory as a representative of my district. It was assigned to the committee. I'm not on the committee; so I'm not responsible for whether or not there's a quorum. And it just seems to me that, you knowp if we had been in the -- if this had happened last year, the -- you would have looked at the thirty-two bills, would have met with the minority leader from that committee, gone over and come up with an agreed list. And procedurally, this would be the time and the appropriate time for us to decide whether or not we wanted to even debate this bill. This is the last day; it's Motions to Discharge. And I guess I just don't understand why, you know, your Members are being asked to not support some of these motions, whether they be for Republicans or Democratic sponsors, because it is the appropriate 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Way to do it. Again: it -- -- I'm not on the committee. I had no control over whether or not this bill was called or not. It was unable to be called. It Was literally unable to be voted on. And so, in order for us to consider this issue, this is the appropriate time to -- to vote for it. I think you should consider the merits of the bill and glve me an opportunity to vote for it, and have you vote for it, on 3rd Reading.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) There any discussion? Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. The Senator makes a good argument for the bill, but the bill is not what wedre talklng about now. We 're talking about procedure; that these bills could have been heard in committee on Tuesday. We kere all there ready to go - the Republican side. I -- I correct that: There were four of us there, and we could have had four Democrats. We could have had an eight-Member committee, and We'd have brought out some probably good -- good bills. But, the Democrats saw fit to ask us to put on about six or eight -- on an Agreed Bill L1st that we didn't think were suitable. And so, therefore, have to oppose this and hope that the rest of you will. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there further discussion? Senator Cullerton may close.

Well, again, I would just not talk about the merits of the bill; talk about the procedure. Again, I'm I'm not stating whether or not the strategy was a good one or a bad one, but I don't see why now, at this point in time, you can't go over the list of the bills and decide which ones you do agree with and 1et those out. If you don't like a1l eight of them , take tWo or three of them - the ones that have merit. This is the only way in which we can decide how to vote. I don't see why the -- not only 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 the sponsor of the bill, but the other Members of the -- of the Senate cannot have the opportunity to vote for the bill and debate it on 2nd -- or I'm sorry, 3rd Reading just because of What happened in -- in the committee in the disagreement as to what the strategy was. Sor for that reason, I would urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Cullerton moves to discharge the Committee on State Government from further consideration of Senate Bill 932. A1l those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? On that question, there are 25 Ayes, 23 Nays. And the Senate Rules require thirty-six votes in the affirmativez so the motion fails. Senator Lapaille, on Senate Bi1l 1013? Read the motlon, Mr. Secretary.

I move to discharge the Committee on State Government Organization and Executive Appointnents from further consideration of Senate Bill 1013 and that the bill be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Reading . Filed by Senator Lapaille.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Thank you, Mr. President. This is another bill that went before the State Governnent Committee this week, was unable to be heard. And if you care about Illinois business and putting people back to work, you would be voting to support the discharge of this bill. Currently, Illinois businesses pay approximately l.3 billion dollars in unemployment insurance benefits to Illinois workers that are unemployed. We have job placement officers that work for the Bureau of Employment Security that attempt to put people back to work. Their rate the last year Was only seventeen percent. What this bill Would say is that you would take federal 29  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 administrative dollars - so no State funds would be used - federal administrative dollars to establish an incentive payment to these job placement officers to try to put people back to work quicker and get them off the unemployment rolls. If you use a .01 percent commission - a very small commission to the job placement officers and they Were able to put Workers back just four weeks earlier, We would save Illinois businesses ninety-seven million dollars in unemployment insurance payments for one year, by just putting a person back to work four weeks earlier in Illinois, and the cost to the Federal Administrative Fund Would only be 2.7 million. So if you think that a 2.7-mi11ion-dollar investment of federal funds to save Illinois businesses ninety-seven million dollars ln unemployment benefits is a good return, you'd vote to support this discharge.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Is there any discussion? Senator Dunn.

I urge the defeat of this motion.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further dlscussion? Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: In closlng : Again, if you -- if you believe that 2.7-mi11ion-do11ar investment in federal funds to save Illinois businesses ninety-seven million dollars in unemployment benefits, you would vote to support this discharge, and I ask for your support.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille moves to discharge the Committee on State Government from further consideration of Senate Bi11 1013. A11 those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 25 Yeasr 19 Nays. As the -- as the Senate Rules require 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 thirty-six votes in the affirmative, the motion fails. For What purpose does Senator Collins arise? Senator Collins. o..can 't hear you. Are you -- want to switch to another mike? SENATOR COLLINS: Hello? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Collins. h SENATOR COLLINS: Yes. I would like for the record to show that Senator Palmer is absent today due to illness in her family. She had an emergency last night, and she had to return back home. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you. The record Will so reflect. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise? SENATOR GEO-KARIS: Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, just to report that Senator Robert Raica is back home convalescing . He's had some problems with his recent surgery. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The record will so reflect. We Will'now move to the Order of Motions to Suspend the Rules, page 26 of the Calendar. I would remind the Membership that the motion to suspend the rules, unless otherwise specified, requires thirty votes. The motion to suspend is not debatable. I would refer the Membership to Senate Rule 7-17 and Robert's Rule 25, page 223. Senator Welch, do you wish to -- consideration on your motion? Read the motion, Mr. Secretary. SECRETARY HARRY: I move to suspend a1l applicable Senate Rules and move that Senate Bill 85 remain on the Order of 2nd Reading until the Rules Committee or the applicable standing committee makes a report to the Senate on the Floor amendment numbered as Senate Amendment 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26,,1993 to Senate Bill 85. Filed by Senator Welch.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Welch.

Mr. Chairman, this bill was reported out of the Agriculture Committee, and in that committee, there was an agreement reached that the bill would be held on 2nd until an amendment was agreed to by the -- one of the parties testifying and the Senators involved. And We have filed that amendment, and the amendment rests on 2nd Reading. I don't believe it's been heard in the committee yet. So for that reason, we're trying to keep this bill on 2nd Reading till we have a hearing on the amendment in the Agriculture Committee to put the amendment on the bill. So...tmicrophone cutoffl...all wedre asking is, the bill stay on 2nd Reading so that We can have the amendment confirmed or adopted or approvedr I guess, by the Agriculture Commlttee.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Youdve heard the motion. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. What is your point, Senator Welch?

My point, Mr. President, is that in committee the bill was moved to 2nd Reading on the agreement that it would be held for an amendment. And that's the purpose of this motion, is to hold it for the amendment. Now the bill came out of the committee with that understanding . Now I don't know how we can ço ahead and suddenly reject the agreement the committee after the Senators in that committee agreed to it. That's how the bill got out of the committee.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 On this question, there are 25 Ayes, 24 Nays. The motion falls. Senator Woodyard, for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you, Mr. President. I don't Want to belabor this, but in response to Senator Welch 's motion, yes, I've aqreed that We will hear that amendment, and we certainly will hear that amendment, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Palmer has filed a motion. Senator Carroll. Senate Bill 100. Mr. Secretary, read the motion. Senator Carroll.

move to suspend a11 applicable Senate Rules and I move that Senate Bl1l l00 remain on the Order of 2nd Reading until the Rules Committee or the applicable standing committee makes a report to the Senate on the Floor amendment numbered as Senate Amendment 3 to Senate Bill 100. Filed by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Carroll.

... president, I was trying to get your attention before the Secretary even read it to see if the Senator would agree to hold the bill. The amendment has been filed and assigned to Rules. And and if he would, then therels no reason to proceed with the motion.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) What purpose Senator Fawell rise?

Thank you, Mr. Presldent. A inquiry of the Chair. Doesn 't the sponsor still have control of the bill, and can't he just leave it on 2nd until that amendment is heard?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 The sponsor always controls his bill: Senator Fawell. Senator Carroll.

Thank you: Mr. President. And I guess maybe Senator Fawell is joining me, and what I'm asking was just if the sponsor would so do, so that we did not need to proceed with any kind of motion. The amendment has been filed . It's, I guess, currently now in the Rules Committee, and whether itlll be reported out of Rules and sent to commiteee or sent to the Floor -- if we knew that the bill wasn't moving until at least Rules has taken some action, or the committee, there's no need to go ahead with the motion. So I was asking, if the President Would find the sponsor, if that were acceptable.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Have you communicated With the sponsor?

Personally, have not. I thought...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Do you wish to continue with your motion?

I'd like -- if the sponsor would -- Would respond, if he would be willing to hold it till at least -- Mr. President, as Chairman of Rules Committee, until the committee has taken some action.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I don't really know Who the sponsor is. Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Senator Carroll, I am almost affronted by your question. Of coursez if you dve got an amendment, it will be considered r yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Carroll.

Rather than affront you the day after your birthday, I would 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 withdraw the motion, tben.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The motion's withdrawn. Senator Welch . Read the motion, Mr. Secretary.

I move to suspend a1l applicable Senate Rules and I move that Senate B1l1 110 renain on the Order of 2nd Reading until the Rules Committee or the applicable standing committee makes a report to the Senate on the Ploor amendment numbered as Senate Amendnent l to Senate Bill 110. Filed by Senator Welch.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Welch.

Mr. President, maybe it Would be in order to ask the sponsor if they are willing to hold the bill on 2nd Reading for the amendment to go to Rules. Is that possible?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I don 't know Who the sponsor 1sy Senator Welch. Have you spoken with the sponsor?

Senator'-- Senator Mahar would be the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Mahar is not in the Chamber. Do you wish to proceed with your motion?

Could we go back to this Order of Business next Tuesday before we do...tmicrophone cutoff)...3rd Reading?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) We're trying to go through this Order of Business today. I can't guarantee that we'll get back to it next Tuesday. Do you wish to proceed with your motion? 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

No, 1111 take my chances next week.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you. Senator DeAngelis, for What purpose do you arise? SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. President. Just as a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point. SENATOR DeANGELIS: think that We ought not to be rushing into determining in advance that someone's not going to do something when you haven't even talked to that person. And I don't think it's necessary to file a motion in anticipation of being aggrieved by sone other party . I think that, you know , we have dialogues here. I think we ought to just talk to each other first, before we decide to do this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Those that have motions filed should maybe follow your advise, but theydre filed; We dre cn that Order of Business, and we pre going to continue right on through. Senator Demuzlo, for what purpose do you arise?

I was just curious as to what motion Would the Gentleman suggest that We do file, if we don't have a commitment from the sponsor that he's going to leave the bill on 2nd Reading in order for amendments to be heard? I meanr sure, thls ls -- this is prospective, but what would -- what would you suggest would be the procedure and the motion if -- if -- if -- failing that -- that motton?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Well, Senator Demuzio, I think it's been common practice to 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 speak to the sponsor of the bill and ask that it be held, and one's word is normally good around here. Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Well, underling Denuzio: 1et ne point out to you that we in this Body are filing motions on things that are normally acts of courtesy, and I just want to find out if you think that soneone is being disrespectful. And if that be the case or the cause, then file the motion. But do not think in advance, underling Demuzio, that -- that the Body is acting in a different way. We are debating courtesy lssues, not motions.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Demuzio.

Well, Senator, it happened to us a1l the last two weeks: Bills were moved to the Order of 3rd Reading with amendments being filed. So I'm suggesting to you -- what -- What do you suggest as a substitute motion then, in order to leave the bill on 2nd Reading, in order that a Member have the opportunity to debate a prospective amendment?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Senator Demuzio, you just reaffirmed my point. We are not talking about a substitute motion; we 're talking about an act of courtesy. And I don't think you can legislate courtesy. I would suggest: talk to Ehe sponsor - whatever side they mlght be, whomever they might be . Then if yau think you lre being aggrieved, come back. But don't act in advance of something thatts not happening. And -- and frankly, you know, I the Whole time I've been in the Senate, I've seen that courtesy extended.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) For what purpose does Senator Watson arise? 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

Well, thank you, Mr. President. I think Senator DeAngelis said it well, but maybe not everyone was listening. I've been here for ten years now, and it's always been the sponsor of the legislationy of a particular b11l, has control of it. And from what I've been able to gather from the motions that's been filed, I'm not even sure that the sponsor of the motion has communicated at al1 with the sponsor of the legislation. I think that's the way it ought to go.

PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Demuzio .

In in the past, if a Member had a bill on the Order of 2nd Readlng and an amendment was filed, ke debated that amendment. Under your rulesz what you have been doing is you have either been skipping those bills thus far: or you have been moving those bills to 3rd Readlng, taking those amendments and referring them to the Rules Committee. So We are operating under a total different procedure from the previous year. And: yes, a Member didr in fact, have control of his bill last time. But we also afforded you the opportunity to offer anendments to those bills without having to going through this nonsense that we're going through to keep a bill on the Order of 2nd Reading to even have the debate.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Let me say that We're on the Order of Motions to Suspend the Rules. They are not debatable. The Chair recognizes Senator Lapallle, on Senate Bill 128. Read the motion, please.

move to suspend a1l applicable Senate Rules: and I move that Senate Bill 128 remain on the Order of 2nd Reading until the Rules Commiteee or ehe applicable standing committee makes a report eo 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 the Senate on the Floor amendment numbered as Senate Amendment to Senate Bill 128. Siçned by Senator Lapaille.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Thank you, Mr. President. At thls time, I wish to withdraw my motions on Senate Bill 128, l39 and 192. I would recommend to the Members of my side of the aisle that the rules are the rules. We waged a good war, and We lost. And the fact is that if a Member does not wish to hold Eheir bill on 2nd Reading to allow us to offer an amendmentz it will not happen under these rules. So would recommend that we cease with this. We are not going to win, and I wish to withdraw a11 my motions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you very much. Senator Jacobs, for What purpose do you arise?

I would just agree with the good Senator. We have a lot of sponsorships here. I think we should take the -- the Senators on the other side of the aisle at their word. They know what we have filed. I would like to Withdraw Senate Bill 901, 904, 905 and 907 from this -- this Order of Business, and then ask one question which -- or one clarification from the Chair, if I could.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator...

From -- from the standpoint of clarification, I'm hearing all of this khis discussion that the sponsor has control -- always has control of their bill. I guess I need a ruling of the Chair, 'cause evidently have misread the rules that have been passed. And I think by a simple majority vote, a sponsorship of anyone's 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 legislation can be removed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Well, it's always been the custom, Senator Jacobs, to ask a sponsor if he will accept an amendment or if he will hold the bill on 2nd Reading. So, don't think we Want to deviate from that past practice. Senator Jacobs.

I would asree with that, Mr. President, but however: I think the rules allow for a sponsor to be removed by a vote of this Body, under -- under your rules now.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Under our rules, 5-1, you are correct, Senator. But, also, the Senator by motion, the sponsorship of a bill may be changed to that of another Senakor or Senators, as the case may be, or that of a standing committee to which the bill was referred. But, still, the sponsor controls his bill. For what purpose does -- Senator Jones.

Thank you, Mr. President. notice a1l the dialogue Welve been having as it relate to the amendments being filed and the courtesy that has been extended as far as Members are as it relate to the filing of amendments. And I notice the President did -- did bypass all bills that were on 2nd Reading when amendments had been filed to those bills. And when we talk about past precedent of this Body, and I've served here going on eleven years, and anytime an amendment has been filed to a bill, that bill was automatically bypassed - automatically bypassed. It was not moved to 2nd <sic> if an amendment was filed. When you talk about the courtesies extended , so forth, we deal on a two-way streety Mr. President, and if -- if the Members are desirous of filing amendments and asking that the bill be held on 2nd, common courtesy has dictated that even though the sponsor has control of his bill, the bill 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 automatically will remain on 2nd Reading. Now -- We know What the rules are. We know you have thirty-two votes, but it would come down to the point, Mr. President, that common courtesy is going to dictate. At one point in time, your side of the aisle and my side of the aisle will have to come together to -- to deal with the operation of State Government. So to go through a1l of this -- had these things been clarifiedz because your Members on your side of the aisle, in many instances, don't even know themselves as it relate to the rules and What the impact of such. So let's not play this silly game about courtesies. Courtesies goes both ways. Presldent Philip was in the Chair; he did extend the courtesy of not calling those bills where amendments were filed. And what the Members on this side of the aisle want to know, more or less - if you file an amendmentz then 1et the sponsors -- or you -- or one of your Leaders would get up and say that amendments are filed; the bill will be held on 2nd Reading. Let's not go through al1 this dillydally back and forth, if you dre talking about having courtesies. So, let's work in that manner, Mr. President, because down the road - down the road you're going to want some courtesy, and you dre going to need this side of the aisle and the - - and the saw cuts both ways.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President. On two points, if I miçht. One is, I did file a motion on Senate Bill 577. Ilve spoken to the sponsor, Senator Karpiel, who indicated she is holding the bill, and I would like to withdraw that motion. Secondly, as to your comment in response to guess this is more like a parliamentary inquiry as to Senator Jacobs' comment on removing sponsors. When we had a -- an amendment to the rules to clarify that, as you Will recall as Chairman of that committee, on the 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 issue of whether a sponsor could be removedy it was the -- if I recall, it was the commentary first of Senator Mccracken and then adopted by the Rules Committee by as commentary that that Was not the intent of that rule; that a sponsor would not be removed without the sponsor's consent; that Was designed for a sponsor was absent or wanted to change sponsorship and then the Body could do it, but that the Body could not take a bill away from a sponsor who wished to remain the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I never remember of a time when this Body has taken a bill away from a sponsor. Is there any Member that Wishes to call his motion to suspend the rules? Senator Trotter.

Yes, Mr. President, I -- along *1th my colleagues, I concur with them, and I withdraw -- wish to withdraw my motion to suspend the rules on 161.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you, Senator. Senator Dudycz, for what purpose do you arise?

In lieu of the of discussion on the Floor, Mr. President, I move that the remaining motions on this Order of Business be tabled so that the Calendar may be cleared.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further -- any further discussion? Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Mr. President, that's the type of actions that 's not necessary. We're agreeinç ; we're withdrawing our motions. We don't need a -- a Majority Member now to table al1 the motions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator, this is just for the purpose of clearing the Calendar. That should be on record . Senator Dudycz. 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

Mr. President, in the spirit of cooperation, I withdraw my motion and we can go through the Calendar, and we can spend the time going through the individual motions, if the sponsors so wish.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you. A11 motions to suspend the rule, it is my understanding, have been asked to withdraw their their motion on 85, Senate Bill 96, Senate Bill 97. Inasmuch as Senator Palner ls not here, do you wish to leave those? All right. We're talking about Senate Bill 85 <sic>, Senate Bill 100, 110, 128, 139, 149, 161, 192, 262, 356, 398. Have a1l -- 402, 439, 479, 534, 577, 625, 734, 899, 901, 904, 905, 907, 1085 and SJRCA 7 have al1 been withdrawn. House Bills lst Reading. For what purpose does Senator Collins arise?

Point of personal privilege, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point.

We have visitlng with us in the gallery... Did they leave? Oh, here they are. Visiting with us in the east gallery, Girl Girl Scout Troop 413 from the Whittier School in Oak Park, and they are with their scout leaders, Mr. Glenn Valentine, Mr. Joe Adams, and Mr. Tom Rasmussen. And We 'd like for them to stand and be recognized by the Senate. END OF TAPE TAPE 2 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ...our guests in the gallery please rise and be recognized. ... (inaudlb1e)... House Bllls lst Reading.

House Bill 122, offered by Senator Burzynski. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senator Topinka offers House Bill 126. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 693, by Senator Demuzio . (Secretary reads tltle of bill) Senate Bill -- or House Bill 765, by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) And House Bill 766, by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) lst Reading of the bills, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Are there any additions to the Consent Calendar?

Yes, Mr. President. Senate Resolutions 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 and 214 have been added to the Consent Calendar.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Have there been any objections filed?

There have been no objections filed, Mr. President. Senator Smith offers Senate Resolution 213 and 214. They're b0th congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The question ls, shall the resolutions on the Consent Calendar be adopted. A11 those in favor, say Aye. A1l opposed, Nay. The resolutions are adopted. Consent Calendar. Senator Cullerton, for what purpose do you arise?

44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Mr. President, do I understand that we are in Session and you want the Rules Committee to meet right now, or are we going to adjourn and then have the Rules Committee meet?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator, I think we 'll stand at ease for a feW minutes, and that the Rules Committee Will meet in the Anteroom . We'l1 stand at ease for just a few ninutes. (SENATE STANDS AT EASE) (SENATE RECONVENES)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Committee Reports.

Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rulesy reports that the following Legislative Measures have been assigned to Committees: Be Approved for Consideration: Senate Amendment No. 5 to Senate Bill 130, and Senate Amendment No. to Senate Bill 439. Referred to the Committee on Commerce and Industry: Senate Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 139. Referred to the Committee on Envlronment and Energy: Senate Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 534. Referred to the Executive Committee: Senate Amendment No . 1 to 577. Referred to Local Government and Elections: Senate Amendment No. to Senate Bill 360, and Senate Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 402. And referred to the Transportation Committee: Senate 45  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26r 1993 Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 356, Senate Amendment 2 to Senate Bil1 479, Senate Amendment No . l to Senate Bill 734, Senate Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 868, Senate Amendment No. to Senate Bill 901, Senate Amendment No. to Senate Bill 904, Senate Amendment No. to Senate Bill 905, and Senate Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 907.

I'd just like to make a couple of comments. As you know, today is the final day for reporting non-appropriation bills out of committee. And I'd like to compliment the Chairmen and the Membership, particularly the Minority, that we probably have done a better job thls year than -- than I have ever seen done in ny history around here. And to inform you I'd like to inform you that, quite frankly, there were eleven hundred and six bills intrcduced ; we only reported out four hundred and twelve. So that certainly is a step in the right direction. Everything is aimed at getting out on May 28th. And had coffee with the Speaker the other morning. He feels the way do. He feels very strongly about it, incidentally, that we fre golng to get out of here on May 28th. So let's work towards that -- that goal. Is there any further buslness to come before the Senate? Senator Cullerton, for what purpose do you rise?

Yes, thank you, Mr. President. With regard to those bills that did not get out of committee, it's my understanding that as a result of actions not taken by the Rules Committee: that al1 of those bills are now back in the Rules Committee, as soon as we adjourn today.

That is correct. Senator Cullerton.

So that, for those Members who Were under the impression that 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28*b Legislative Day March 26, 1993 their bills might be sent to a subcommittee and have hearings over the course of the -- the summer, it's going to be necessary for the chairmen of the respective committees to come to the Rules Committee and resubmit their list in order to ask that they be allowed to hold hearings on those bills. There was an effort made to allow that. There -- if you want to take the time over the weekend to read the rules, it's Section 3-9 that refers to this. So for those Members who thought that the bills were going to be in the subcommittee, they are no longer in your committee; they are back in the Rules Committee, so you 'll have to ask the Rules Committee to consider having those be re-referred back to your comnittee in order to hold those -- those subcommittee hearings.

Senator Weaver, for what purpose do you arise?

On the same topic, Mr. President.

Senator Weaver.

We just made an effort, as a courtesy to the Denocrats, to leave these bills in committee. You turned that down. So, you have no one to blame but yourselves. We Were trying to be gentlemen, to leave these bills in committees for further action, and you disagreed with your own Membership, evidently. So we tried to help you .

Senator Cullerton.

Yes, thank you, Mr. President. To further clarify what the actions of the Rules Committee were: what we were offered and what you committee chairmen were offered was the opportunity to have the bills stay in your committee only until thirty-one days 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 after we've adjourned for the Session, not to be able to fulfill your promises to many Members that we'd have subcommittee hearings over the course of the summer. What we had suggested and made a motion to do was to take al1 Senate bills and have them be able to be kept in the committee, under your jurisdiction, until they are reported out or not voted on. That was turned down by the Republican Members of the Commlttee. And after that motion failed, then there was a motlon to adjourn. And so, there are -- there was two different ways of going about it, and we didn't agree on either one of them ; and, as a result, all the bills are back in the Rules Committee.

Senator Weaver.

Just for further clarification. We asked that the minority spokesmen and the chairmen of the committee identify to Rules Committee those bills Which they would like to assign subcommittees, hold hearings in the future, and you turned that down. We were trylng to work with both the chairmen and the minority spokesmen on a1l of these committees to identify so that you -- we could hold hearings in the future, but you chose not to go that Way.

If there's no further business before the Senate, Senator -- Weaver moves that, pursuant to Senate Joint Resolution 38 adopted yesterday, the Senate adjourn until Tuesdayr March 30th. Senator Demuzio.

Well, there are a lot -- there's a lot of confusion as to what this really means now, and what it means is: is that the Republican Members who are chairmen of committees no longer have any bills in their domain, nothing under their jurisdiction. It 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 means that al1 of the Republican chairmen now have a1l of their bills - their jurisdictional responsibilities and everything that was within their domain - now in the domain and jurisdiction of the Rules Committee. Now, it seems to me that those Menbers Who have made commitments to our Menbers about, 1IWe'll hold this bill in committee and have hearings on over the summery'' somehow or another, those commitments aren 't going to be madey are not going to be honored at this moment. And I would think that the Republlcan Members on your side of the aisle, chairmen of those committees, who haven't got a thing to do now, haven't got a bill before their committee - maybe a couple of amendments it seems to me that you guys better get together and declde, you knowy is your word any good or isn't it. I mean, if you fre going to have hearings on these bills over the summer - you promised to do it - you ought to -- you ought to stand up to that. And I just think that we dre establishing a terrible precedent here, Mr. Mr. President, by allowing this to happen. I think it's an affront to your Members, and I think your Members ought to be thoroughly disgusted with the process; that they now are chairmen with no bills under their jurisdlction. Thank you.

Senator Smith, for What purpose do you arise? SENATOR SMTTHI Mr. President, for a point of clarification. I understood that you had us to sign forms, to turn in, as yesterday was the deadline, that any bills that we had in the committee or subcommittee, we wanted to keep those bills alive, we were to sign these bills and turn them in to you: and then in the event that we wanted to have a neeting during the course of the summer on any of those bills, we were permltted to do so. In my committee, Health-Welfare, I was informed by my chair that We were going to be permitted to do so. Now r come this morning, and f 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 understand that you 're saying that We cannot hold a meeting over any of those bills at a11 for the summerz or they are dead. Please give me some kind of understanding, because I represent people - my constituents - and I certainly don't Want to look like a -- eXCUSe me ...

Senator Karpiel.

Well, I'm raising risinq on the same point that Senator Smith is. In the Executive Committee I have talked with the minority spokesman and to ask then to get a list of the bills left in committee or a subcommittee to me, and then I am to put in a letter along uith the bills we have, on our side, left in that committee that we Would like to have kept alive, and then I file this letter With someone. Is that correct? And then those bills are, in fact, kept alive in the committee.

Senator Dudycz, for what purpose do you arise? Senator Dudycz. He sits on Rules; he'll answer the question for you, Senator.

Just to clarify this for -- for the Membership, Mr. President. There were two letters that were -- were prepared. The first one was to Senator Demuzio, as the Minority Spokesman of the Rules Committee, by the Chairman. Senator Weaver, and I'm guess to clarlfy, maybe I should just read this very brief letter. It saysy ''Regarding exceptions pursuant to Senate Rule 3-9(a), as you know, the Rules Committee Will reconvene at 10:45 for the purpose of considering the above referenced matter. My suggestion is as follows: Let me know in advance oc 10:45 whether you wish to issue a blanket exception under Rule 3-9(a) for all Senate bills remaininq in committee, or whether you simply wish to adjourn and 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 consider referral requests after this week. I leave the choice to you regarding our most prudent course of action and hope you do appreciate this accommodation for you and the Members of your caucus.'' And as Senator Cullerton explained, there were -- there were two motions; one by Senator Cullerton that the exceptions be made to 3-9(a) and 9(b); a roll call was taken; the motion was defeated. We attempted, with my motion, for the exception, as I just explained, 3-9(a). The Democrats voted No; we adjourned.

Thank your Senator. Senator Demuzio, for what purpose do you arise?

Well, on this same point. Senator Dudycz mentioned my name. Let me say suggest to you, Senator Dudycz, that is absolutely correct; that the -- the letter did indicate that you wished to waive Rule 3-9(a), whlch meant for the remaining portion of the Session. Now if welre attempting to, and it is your desire to, get out of here on May 30th, we were attempting to accommodate your Members and your chairmen and your people who have made commitments to our Members and to your Members that certain bills would be held and heard over the summer. I would hardly say that adjourning on May the 30th is being is -- is considered this summer. So We were attempting to help you to honor your commitment that your chairmen had made to our Members and your Members, and you guys refused to go along With it.

Senator Dudycz.

Mr. President, the Rules Committee -- I'm not going to speak for the Chairman of the Committee because he 's not on the Floor at this moment, but it's my understanding that the Rules Committee Will continue to meet. We will continue to -- to consider al1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26y 1993 bills that are before We will be communicating with the -- with the committee chairmenr and Ehe process Will continue.

Senator Demuzio, for the third and last time.

Well, the point is, is that today 's the deadline that you established. As of the time that we adjourn today, all thosq bills are in the Rules Committee. The fact that you voted not to allow the Members to have the thirty-one-day extension to hear the bills over the summer is your responsibility and your obligation. You guys gave your word, and now you went back on You can't issue an exception after We adjourn here in a few moments, which apparently we are prepared to do.

Senator Pawell, for What purpose do you arise?

Point of inquiry . If I want to hold a hearing over the summer on any bill, is -- is that possible?

Senator Dudycz.

Senator Fawell, the Rules Committee W1ll allow each of the standing committees the opportunity to hear bills under their jurisdiction. The answer is, correct.

Senator Smith .

.. . tmicrophone cutoffl...president and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, anything that serious should have been brought to the full Floor. You must remember, all of you legislators, that you are not here representing yourself; you are representing businesses and people and constituents across the State of 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Illinois, that's making possible for you to be down here. And you have no consideration about them . I don't think it's fair. Businesses are depending upon it. Providers are dependlng upon us. Mothers and fathers and children: theydre depending upon us. Businesses in the State of Illinois: they are depending upon us and our legislation. That's a serious matterw and I think whoever is in charge of this should reconsider this, because you're going to hear from not only yourself, but your constituents, and a11 the people that you think are your friends or any that you 're in their pockets, if you are.

Senator Cullerton, for What purpose do you arise?

Well, I guess now I'm just asking for a I might need some help from your Parliamentarian on this one. Senator Dudycz just said something that -- in response to a question by Senator Fawelly and maybe -- maybe I need an explanation. As I understand with Section 3-9 of the rules, says that all bills that have failed to meet the applicable deadline established, which is today, shall automatically be re-referred to the Rules Committee, unless the Rules Committee issues a written exception wlth respect to a particular bl11 prior to the deadline. Since the Rules Committee hasn't done that, my understandlng is, all of the bills are going to be, as soon as we adjourn today, back into the Rules Committee. Now, I don't think that you can have a hearing on a bill in a committee that -- when you don't have jurisdiction over the bill. I think the bill is in the Rules Committee. And guess the question is, does the -- even the Rules Committee have the authority to send those bills back to committee Without changing the deadline to get bills out of committee. Maybe on that one I need a -- help from a parliamentarian.

53  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 28th Legislative Day March 26, 1993 Senator Dudycz.

The answer is, yes.

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